[POLL] Where are the mystery drones coming from.

[Kryztian]

Where are the mysterious drones coming from? The drones in New Jersey? The drones in the United States? The drones around the world? But especially those in New Jersey, which seems to have the greatest concentration of them?

What is your best guest. Please feel free to elaborate on or explain your answer on the thread below.

[grapevine]

I simply do not know, Krystian, but I'd LIKE them to be from ET, although then I'd be wondering whether it was the Carol Roisin "last card". I guess we'll just have to wait and see; Ross Coulthart has hinted at something happening early January 2025.

It's very cloudy here in London and has been for several days. I've nevertheless been looking but haven't seen anything in the skies at all and I'm about one and a half miles from Big Ben, so pretty central to all the sightseeing landmarks (should any drone be interested of course) :laughs:

[Anchor]

The only possible answer here is "I simply don't know"... unless you are directly or indirectly (via a reliable channel) involved in them in which case speak up - or you have evidence that no-one else seems to have at this point in time.

My best guess in descending order of what I think is likelihood

a) a psyop (distraction)
b) bluebeam failing spectacularly to do bluebeam things
c) some other humans trolling the US for fun.

[arwen]

I try not to think like a human (in this case) and if I was a nice "ET" and wanted to make myself known to the dominant species on this planet, I would not drone swarm only one country. I would want to let the whole planet know and would have Hello drones in all the major capitals of the world - Moscow, Beijing, Buenos Aires, Mumbai, Sydney, Abuja, etc etc. So far I have not seen any of these swarms reported anywhere else other than the US at this time.

So I tend to think at this stage, that it is a US military operation, a test.

[norman]

EXTENDED TICKBOX OPTION

It's a white-hat operation to screw up the old-order cabal's plan to use a fake alien threat/invasion to install themselves in total global control.

But it's global, you say? . . yup, so are the white-hats.


Disclaimer:

I'm NOT saying "The whitehats" are good guys. They're just part of the process we are going through, they have global ambitions also.

[aoibhghaire]

The following is my opinion of the current situation.

The general consensus emerging from numerous reports are that many of these drones are very large, can sustain high altitudes in high winds, are not detectable by radio frequency, and often travel in swarms. Close up examine by a private drone discharged its batteries, a common characteristic with close UAP encounters with ignition type petrol fuelled cars. These objects move with deliberate intent, display sophisticated evasive maneuvers when approached, and operate with impunity in restricted airspace. One report of independent type CE5 initiatives so far suggest conscious awareness of humans. They appear to originate from offshore locations, suggesting capabilities beyond conventional range and allegedly staying aloft for several hours.

They fit the 5 observables of UAP. E.g. video footage from Florida shows the typical morphing from the plasma sphere to a construct like an aeroplane mimicking the correct regulations of flight charateristics of FAA lights. This process takes about 1 minute to complete. This strategy repeats itself as part of the morphing process. The theory of Alcubierre propulsion with its space time plus holographic capabilities are characteristics that fits these aircraft and drones. In conclusion we are dealing with UAP.

These observations create an unsettling paradox: these objects are visible enough to be widely witnessed yet elusive enough to maintain plausible deniability. They would be substantial enough to register on multiple tracking systems yet difficult or impossible to identify or intercept. They are concerning enough to warrant official acknowledgment yet apparently not threatening enough to trigger military response.

Its not just the high frequency of objects in New Jersey, but has expanded to other US States and and simultaneously shown up in other parts of Europe and Russia. Interestingly enough, the UAP manifestations specifically concentrated in the northern hemisphere.

This type of deliberate cognitive dissonance, where new evidence contradicts existing beliefs, is often a hallmark of psychological operations designed to create specific mental and emotional states in a population.

In this case, it is producing a low-level anxiety and unease that something significant is happening beyond our understanding and control. We are forced into this ambiguous, suspended logic space of: If it's not ours and not our adversaries, then whose is it? How can we not know?

This creates a conspicuous gap in the narrative that begs to be filled, suggesting careful management of public perception rather than genuine uncertainty. It funnels us into a state of anticipation, creating psychological pressure for revelation or resolution. And with our logical frameworks disrupted, our minds become more open to previously rejected possibilities, like aliens. It is creating a crack in our reality structure through which new ideas might enter.


Guided toward specific new realities? , and if so, by whom and for what purpose?

The sophistication of this operation suggests multiple potential objectives.

Disclosure Preparation?

A charitable, optimistic view is that this collective moment is preparing us for disclosure of our non-human neighbours whom have been operating here for some time. Unfortunately, over the past 80 years there has been a deliberate psychological perception problem instigated by social control agendas. Its just now that this current mass exposure is exciting our curiosity and empowering us to share our experiences, problem-solve, and listen to the wisdom of community over government mouthpieces. That we are thus far processing this without panic is a positive sign.

Especially when taken in light of ongoing progressive disclosure, like the recent House oversight hearing, this scenario sees current events as a carefully managed program to prepare the public for what governments already know about the existence of non-human intelligence (NHI) that we are being acclimated to unexplained anomalous phenomena in our skies, building a baseline of UAP characteristics, and normalizing limited government knowledge and control.

The drone situation may be a test run of how something like mass sightings could unfold. It is real-world and real-time practice in processing uncertainty. Knowing that the clock is ticking on disclosure, perhaps the government is studying people’s mental, emotional, and physical responses, the media’s handling of this topic, and the preparedness of our public institutions.

Though lacking in transparency and exacerbating the trust deficit, this could be part of an attempt to create a gradual recognition that something beyond conventional human technology is operating in our airspace. This progressive disclosure may reduce societal shock while building collective capacity for paradigm-shifting information, including the introduction of our own advanced technology.

It both simultaneously undermines the credibility of traditional authorities and potentially keeps the government in control of the disclosure narrative, as that anticipatory tension is building for an official explanation. This could allow the government to selectively disclose certain aspects (limited hangout) while maintaining secrecy around others, thus maintaining existing power structures. It could also set the stage for dismissing legitimate NHI sightings as just more drones.

The current situation could serve as either a preparation tool for genuine contact or a control mechanism for managing public perception of NHI and obfuscating the truth.

This scenario views the current events as neither purely benevolent preparation nor malevolent manipulation, but rather as a necessary disruption of outdated paradigms to catalyze societal transformation. The drone phenomenon could be serving as a collective initiation experience - challenging our assumptions, exposing our vulnerabilities, and ultimately strengthening our capacity for adaptation and growth.

It could be the manifestation of a power structure that is itself uncertain how disclosure will unfold, knowing that the final decision is not humanity’s to make.

This perspective suggests that whether orchestrated by humans or non-humans, for good or ill will, these events are pushing us toward necessary growth and preparing us for the inevitability of contact. Just as individuals often require destabilizing or disorienting experiences to examine and evolve beyond limiting beliefs, perhaps our society needs this kind of controlled challenge to choose new modes of thinking and operating.

Perhaps most importantly, we can recognize that periods of profound change often appear chaotic while they are happening. What looks like deterioration to one person might be metamorphosis to another. It depends on how high, broad, and long term a perspective one can hold, which is a function of consciousness. The question becomes not just what is being done to us, but what we might become through this process.

I believe we are witnessing a potential disclosure process in real-time. I see it as a test run representing a convergence of agendas - some human, some not, some benevolent, some not – designed to seed collective consciousness for revelation. Whether the ultimate purpose is disclosure, power transformation, or evolution remains to be seen. What matters most is how we choose to engage with and make sense of it, particularly on an emotional level.

We can move from the discomfort of cognitive dissonance to the assurance of cognitive resonance.

As these events continue to unfold, maintaining critical awareness of the psychological dynamics at play becomes increasingly important. By maintaining awareness while building resilience, we can transform what might be intended as control mechanisms into catalysts for conscious evolution. In doing so, we might emerge from this period not weakened, but strengthened - not confused, but clarified - not diminished, but expanded in our understanding of reality and our place within it.

The drones above our heads may be messengers of change, but we remain the authors of our response. In that choice lies our true sovereignty.

[Kryztian]

Guided toward specific new realities? , and if so, by whom and for what purpose?

The sophistication of this operation suggests multiple potential objectives.



I am thinking one of those objectives could be to have a massive paradigm shift that forces all us to rethink how we view ourselves as a truth seeking society. There are a lot of local people (sheriffs, mayors, paranormal investigators, citizen groups, etc) who are working diligently and intelligently to get answers and we all can see that. At the same time we see officials in the Pentagon, White House, etc. who are utterly smug and dismissive with answers like: "We know about it." and "We are looking into it." The entire situation should cause all of us to rethink about where we should place our trust and where integrity lies, and start to questioning more what the agendas of nation states (especially the most powerful military state of all, the U.S.A.) really are. Having a massive paranomal/mysterious event, that goes on for weeks, months, or longer, should really get the conversation rolling and people will realize, they really need to redirect their faith in different places and institutions, they really need to find other intellectual sources of authority, and they really need to turn off the television and say "hello" to their neighbor whose lawn sign indicates they didn't vote for the same person in the last election.

This is all happening at a time when two of the world's two largest nuclear powers may be the closest they have even been to nuclear war. And it also happens in the shadow of a pandemic that tried to shut down neighborly conversation, not just by forcing people into quarantine, but by foisting on us a small group of "experts" and "scientists" who were there to tell the rest of us what to think and how to live.

Let the conversation begin. YES!

[Rawhide68]

What if it starts with a true UFO/UAP origin unknown over some military areas in US and UK.

Military response is to send up their own "drones" top secret ones, so they cant comment on telly.

To add to that all happy people owning a drone wants to join as they are not shot down by sending up their own drones to get attention

3 layers of whats happening.

That would explain why alledged reported fotage is so variying from silly to unique

[ExomatrixTV]

How can you be sure of anything ... it could be a mix of multiple different things


I simply do not know ... for now, but that can change

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source (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1868089971556442397)

[machinegunkelly]

Soft disclosure stepped up a peg or two????

[Anchor]

New option to my earlier post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123951-POLL-Where-are-the-mystery-drones-coming-from.&p=1646613&viewfull=1#post1646613)

d) Spaceforce practicing for the mass round up of baddies (and having a bit of fun in the process).

[RatRodRob...RRR]

I havnt heard anyone (that ive noticed) mention that (some) of these drones dont have a heat signature, so they cant be picked up by censors built to detect this.

If these drones are for spying, why so big ?, 6-10 ft ive read, spy drones dont need to be that big, just as civilian drones are very unlikely to be that big, so why are some car sized...?
Most countries with sophisticated tech, i.e. like satellites, (satellites that can easily read a cars number plate, with possibly several more detecting/spying instruments onboard)
wouldnt need an incursion into an enemies territory using these objects, that are so easily detectable (sight), and i think could easily be shot down if Governments chose to do so.

A craft as big as 6ft or more could mean its manned (even NHI) , or they could have a weapons system that gives them their size over regular drones we have all seen.

I dont think these have any connection to civilians, or adversary's from OS, im more inclined to think of just two reasons for these drones

1- These are part of conditioning all of us to get used to the idea that NHI is real and is drip feeding us to accept complete government disclosure regarding "we are not alone", although the "drips" are turning into sprinkles.

2- These are part of TPTB that are getting us to be wary and eventually to be afraid of these "craft", so we will believe the "Fake UFO Invasion" that Carol Rosin learned about from Wernher Von Braun.

RRR

[T Smith]

I regard to the poll above, I would just add the lines are likely blurred between "secret US Military operation" and "secret transnational cabal", i.e. "breakaway civilization".... And the latter may well be blurred with "E.T. sending to us"

Some combo of all of the above?

[Strat]

I would rule out the ET possibility but other than that I don't know. Very little data.

[Tintin]

2- These are part of TPTB that are getting us to be wary and eventually to be afraid of these "craft", so we will believe the "Fake UFO Invasion" that Carol Rosin learned about from Wernher Von Braun.

RRR

Yes, here's a clip to which you refer, here:

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1868148173732036608/pu/vid/avc1/820x536/BXERagSMSRTrinim.mp4?tag=12

[Mike]

Perhaps this is me being very reductive, but the timing of this event tells me that this has quite a bit to do with Trump's election. Could it be a last ditch, panic reaction by the deep state to prevent the transfer of power? To pull out the BlueBeam fake alien invasion card? Why wouldn't they do it? It may seem reckless, but do they really have a choice? What do they have to lose??

It would seem to me that this could likely be their last card, which is good news on the one hand. Of course that could also be bad news, i.e. the cornered animal thing etc.

I mean, just forget everything else for a moment and just consider the timing of all this! It's crazily conspicuous!:)

On the other hand, there appears to be some sightings in other countries as well. Curiously enough, all in coastal areas.

My introduction to UFO's was thru John Keel, and his research includes information on countless UFO "flaps". These flaps all seem to have taken place mainly in the 50's, 60's and 70's.. with a few in the 80's and early 90's. Has there been a significant flap since then? I don't recall one.

Keel's description ("bobbing blobs of light in the sky") matches the description of some of these UFO's. He saw countless orb-like lights in the sky on his adventures, some that would dispatch other orbs like a mothership and some that would - believe it or not - appear to transform into an airplane or other conventional aircraft in the snap of one's fingers. This seems to be happening now as well in some cases; however, this is where our tech becomes a double-edged sword because I don't always know when I can trust these videos.

Is what we're seeing now just another in a long line of UFO flaps? One that's slightly different now because we're all armed with cell phones to record it?

Or, another theory: the US military released drones in response to a UFO flap in an attempt to misdirect. Maybe they're just waiting for the flap to end and inserting drones into this theatre in order ease the public panic until it does. Better to blame drones than aliens, after all.

Even as I'm writing this developments are happening. Apparently an Iranian drone ship left its port weeks ago and has gone undetected somehow until now:https://nypost.com/2024/12/13/world-news/irans-new-massive-drone-ship-left-home-port-last-month-and-went-weeks-without-being-spotted/

Feels like a false flag to me maybe. Just one more excuse to invade Iran.

[onawah]

It would be the perfect excuse for the Deep State to go COG (Continuation of Government), which would put them in charge and Trump out in the cold.
Dark Journalist has been reporting on this secret plan for a long time (with lots of corroborating evidence), and what better time...


Perhaps this is me being very reductive, but the timing of this event tells me that this has quite a bit to do with Trump's election. Could it be a last ditch, panic reaction by the deep state to prevent the transfer of power? To pull out the BlueBeam fake alien invasion card? Why wouldn't they do it? It may seem reckless, but do they really have a choice? What do they have to lose??

[RatRodRob...RRR]

2- These are part of TPTB that are getting us to be wary and eventually to be afraid of these "craft", so we will believe the "Fake UFO Invasion" that Carol Rosin learned about from Wernher Von Braun.

RRR

Yes, here's a clip to which you refer, here:

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1868148173732036608/pu/vid/avc1/820x536/BXERagSMSRTrinim.mp4?tag=12

Hey TT good one, thats it alright.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Only 35% knew to vote the government.

Says it all.

[Tintin]

2- These are part of TPTB that are getting us to be wary and eventually to be afraid of these "craft", so we will believe the "Fake UFO Invasion" that Carol Rosin learned about from Wernher Von Braun.

RRR

Yes, here's a clip to which you refer, here:

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1868148173732036608/pu/vid/avc1/820x536/BXERagSMSRTrinim.mp4?tag=12

Hey TT good one, thats it alright.

:thumbsup: No worries.

For those unfamiliar and who may not have listened to the clip, the reference is Werner's repeated comments to Carol over some years that the (paraphrasing): "..alien (invasion) card is the last one they'll play. It's a lie'"

[Bill Ryan]

Only 35% knew to vote the government.

Says it all.But which 'government'? If one strongly suspects this is a covert operation launched for unknown reasons by the US government or its agencies, consideration needs to be given to reports from the UK, Germany, Australia, NZ, China (over an airport in Tianjin), Russia, India, Brazil, Norway, Belgium and Poland.

One of the great limitations of media of all kinds based in the US or Canada is that they often seem to forget (or ignore) that the very much larger rest of the world exists.


It's not just 'New Jersey'.
(And — these are not quadcopters. :))

[Mike]

If one strongly suspects this is a covert operation launched for unknown reasons by the US government or its agencies, consideration needs to be given to reports from the UK, Germany, Australia, NZ, China (over an airport in Tianjin), Russia, India, Brazil, Norway, Belgium and Poland.

One of the great limitations of media of all kinds based in the US or Canada is that they often seem to forget (or ignore) that the very much larger rest of the world exists.


What is this "rest of the world" you speak of?:)

That's all true, sadly. I have to remind myself there's other countries out there sometimes.

Makes me wonder why one of those other countries wouldn't shoot one of these things down, China in particular. Surely they're not bogged down by bureaucrats and annoying laws restricting that kind of action like we here in the U.S. are.

That's worrisome. Suggests to mean they're equally helpless.

I keep thinking: what if the US sent an f16 up there to intercept and shoot down one of these things? And what if it failed? What if it was outfoxed and outmaneuvered? Whew, then the panic would really set in among the citizens...

Assuming for a second these are truly UFO's, and assuming the US military knows exactly what it's up against, this explains maybe why it's sitting on its hands and doing nothing. Better perhaps to wait for the flap to end than to reveal how helpless they are (and we are) against these things by sending up our best planes and getting embarrassed.

[Michi]

Courtney Brown over at Farsight.com has a very strong opinion for the "drones" being of ET type:
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So - in any case there's some stormy weather ahead ...

I hope we can discern between the good and bad ETs.

[seehas]

shortly after the “orb” or “drone” sightings started i had my own sighting here in peru, we just had my sister in law visiting and in the evening we had a power outage we gathered in the living room by candlelight and suddenly a light like a headlight was visible from the window, my first thought was this is a motorcycle or a car when we looked out the window an orb was visible in the sky casting a light into our room. the light was pulsating in white and orange we were not afraid i felt love. :heart:

the object was not far away and was moving along a mountain range above the jungle, i would estimate that it was about 200-300m away. It was as if someone came by to say a quick hello.

[Tintin]

Only 35% knew to vote the government.

Says it all.But which 'government'? If one strongly suspects this is a covert operation launched for unknown reasons by the US government or its agencies, consideration needs to be given to reports from the UK, Germany, Australia, NZ, China (over an airport in Tianjin), Russia, India, Brazil, Norway, Belgium and Poland.

One of the great limitations of media of all kinds based in the US or Canada is that they often seem to forget (or ignore) that the very much larger rest of the world exists.


It's not just 'New Jersey'.
(And — these are not quadcopters. :))


I'd also add - historically - Sweden, and Chile; Argentina, Brazil. Amongst other famous hotspots :)

Not only are they not quadcopters, they are most definitely not bicycles:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61r1jR4PpGL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg