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Denise/Dizi
16th December 2024, 19:54
I am starting this thread, as I find that on PA we debate many things, we share what we can and we teach, but there are times when I find we get wrapped around certain topics and it becomes more of a debate of opinions, versus just pointedly sharing what we have learned along the way. Real working solutions...

I didn't know where else to post these things... This first post will be very long, as it tells of a medical situation, what happened, what I learned and how I tackled it... I will post a few more individually after this one, as it may sound familiar to others, and help them too, get a more favorable outcome... These were very serious situations.... And I am sure I am not alone in having to confront them.

I have had to fire several Doctors and specialists in my life, as well as fight my insurance company as well. And as a result, I got my life back on many levels. Understanding the system is key... I did so by holding those accountable to the misuse of the "cracks in the system", that allow for those individuals whom have a predisposition to seek gains - at the cost of of the well being of others, from perpetuating such atrocities..."


The second situation (I will post the first in another post, but this one was a big one)...

I had left a major medical research study trial for a new drug therapy treatment for Multiple Sclerosis once it had ended, and at that point, was on a regimen of care that could have been written by any neurologist, so I found one closer to home, to open up a spot with the major Doctors at the hospital for someone who needed to get on a program that helped them in crisis as I was in the management stage... (That you Dr Aguis and Richmond)...

As the hospital was hours away, and I had ended the new trial. I wanted to be closer to home, and found a local Neurologist. Keep in mind that by then, I had not only been diagnoised with MS for well over 10 years, I had all the records and even the records of being in a major medical study drug research program for the treatment of MS. There was no doubt I had the condition... And there was already an established treatment plan that was being followed... I just needed a local Dr. to follow it...

This specialist wanted to profit on tests that weren't necessary. He had my files, charts, MRI results, and KNEW I was in a major medical research study to test the effects of a new drug being potentially marketed for MS patients, yet he started to test me as if I had never had a diagnosis, and ran every test under the sun... Stopping the continuing treatments that were working, in the process... I was mortified.

He held 2 medical degrees... One was Neurology, the other was Psychology. I did not know this until he ran out of "tests to profit on..." So when he ran out of tests to run and bill my insurance for? He sat me down across him in his office, where for the very first time I saw his psychology degree on the wall.... and he tried to then treat me as a patient that was there for a psychological evaluation.

He suggested that maybe I wanted to believe I had MS because of a few little "Situations" that "looked like MS". Forget the dozens of MRIs, spinal taps, and dna draws for the research program I was in, in which I was a lab rat for a new MS drug being tested. (One must have the condition definitely before chosen for such a program)... suddenly it was as if he wanted me to believe I wasn't sick, and it was all in my mind... Yes it was, scars all over my nerve sheathings, my spinal cord, this man was a sick individual...

I was so angered by his lack of making sure I went back onto proper treatment for my MS, that I said to him... "I came here for a neurological examination, NOT a psychological evaluation, and if you cannot do that, you are fired!" I was very upset, but said it calmly and as a matter of fact, so calmly that he actually laughed at me... And I was surprised at how calmly I was able to even say it... I was enraged...

He was so indignant that I knew my rights, (and I had looked up my rights by that point), and knew I had to give him 2 weeks to give me copies of my records, so I could present those to a new Neurologist, and I demanded them. I told him he had 2 weeks from that date, at which time I would return for the copies... 2 weeks later, I walked into his office and asked for said files... (To the minute as he had angered me so much)... They had not prepared them.... I stormed out of the office, and told my husband, who knew I would blow up if I walked back in there... so my husband went into his office and informed him that he only had one hour to honor my request for my records from his office, or he would be meeting my attorney...

One hour later, after having some lunch, we returned, and my husband walked out of that office with my records in hand. They were no longer laughing... I did NOT send the records to an attorney, but he was fleecing my insurance company and withholding care for profit... I notified my insurance company of his fraud, and what he was doing, and I now had proof in my hands, as I have all my other records demanding my diagnosis and previous care for such things, which he had FULL KNOWLEDGE OF...

And it felt GOOD to remind him he worked for the people... Not the insurance companies, and being allowed to bilk them for profit, all the while putting his patients into situations that could be destructive in their lives. I forced him to look in the mirror... But I am sure he continues to do that same thing to patients to this day... But I know that as I left his office that day? I informed every patient in his waiting room what he does, and that if they could, they would be better served getting a different neurologist. I tried to help others... But sadly most of them were probably on an HMO that forced them into his care. I wanted to cry for those individuals.

His reasoning for what he did? He suggested he didn't want to strap me to a lifetime of "signifigant intrusive treatments", or to treat me for such a condition, until he was absolutely sure I was "sick", even though I had been on multiple clinical trials for said condition, and it was well documented, and HE HAD THOSE RECORDS... He knew what he was doing...

He instead kept scheduling unnecessary tests for profit, while my healthcare laid in limbo.. By then I was in pretty good shape in comparison to how I had initially presented with my MS... The university hospital helped me into remission, and by waiting this neurologist was greatening the chance I may relapse without treatment, I was mortified and PISSED OFF...

And when he exhausted the amount of tests he could run, he told me he wanted to send me to his "friend" who was also a specialist who had MORE equipment, to "Diagnose me". Three hours further away than the universty hospital I was trying to avoid driving to each visit! I had had my diagnosis for many years at that point, and was just seeking a local Dr. for follow up care, my care was already established however. He was using loopholes to profit, knowing that I needed care... I had been on medications for years, had records of such things, was injecting myself in the stomach, arms, rear, and legs for years at that point, along with taking hand fulls of pills a day to treat the symptoms so I could function... And this man wanted to tell me he didn't think I had the disease?

Many Physicians, Specialists, and supporting crew have gotten to the point where they are aware of the inadequacies and "breaks in the system" that allow for them to misuse it, steal from the population, overbill, delay care for more "Tests for profit"... and make the patients suffer in the process. And I DID eventually begin to get worse as a result of his lack of care.. I ended up buying a wheelchair by the time I was forced to go back to the same neurologist again who had initially put me into remission... Thank God he was there. As a result of going back to him? I still have full mobility, abeit I have major pain, numbness and challenges I manage, and no one would know unless I told them. I am now MS shot free, and no longer take those handfull of pills daily, only pain management so I can remain mobile... The rest was a lot of hard work, forced physical therapy that the insurance wouldn't cover as they thought it was a hopeless endeavor, etc... I had to take my well being into my own hands.

The lesson here is we do have patient rights, and during that time I learned what they are. We now have the internet with vastly more information at the touch of our fingertips. I do hope that people learn, the Dr.s are just there to help us when we need it, BUT it is up to us to make sure the care we receive is what we truly need... If you are frustrated with something your Dr. is doing, or NOT doing, you DO have recourse, you just need to find it.

I am not sure if the same rules apply today in my area, but learn what they are before you seek care....

I will be posting several more nightmare care situations and what I did to fix them... Some co mingle with what I learned from the series of events I am posting... So it would be helpful to read them all, if facing multiple issues... I just don't want to muddy each lesson I learned, as someone may find themselves in a similar situation, and I want to make sure each is specific to what I faced, so they get the right resolution to each situation.

There will be more than just healthcare issues, but the first few posts will be on that topic. And I hope it helps someone... I do plan to write a journal for my grandkids, so they will feel empowered over their own choices for themselves, so if they ever find themselves facing similar situations, they will know how to navigate them in the future... Or to use this thought process to troubleshoot other similar issues.

Knowledge is power...

Having written all of that out, I DO HOPE that people share their own lessons, ON WHATEVER TOPIC... To help their fellow man gain their own strength in situations with unfortunate paths... Putting the power of the individual back into their own hands.. At this time in history, so much seems to be taken from us, or manipulated to make us believe as such, that I find this a worthy endeavor...

Denise/Dizi
16th December 2024, 20:28
Going to a Dr. that didn't want do do his job... Or chose not to because he knew I would have to return over and over again until the "Diagnosis" would be found.... (So long as I followed his protocol as far as how he phrased his questions).. And this works beautifully for those Dr.s who just want to bilk you out of money before really helping you!

This post is a precursor to the nightmare of having to wait 7 years to finally get a correct diagnosis for Multiple Sclerosis. Something many individuals face to this day with many other conditions... And my unknowing part in this game for profit, and how to avoid it...

My very first indication I had MS was optical nerve damage. I have always worn glasses as I got them when entering grade school. After having my first child my eyes were having some issues so I went to a new optometrist who told me I had optical nerve damage... I had never been told that before so this was new... I didn't think to drill down further on that as a new mom, because I was facing other issues that seemed unrelated and more serious... Such as what follows... ALL were related in the end...

The truth is? It took me decades to learn HOW to approach a Dr. - Most are doing it WRONG, and this is deliberate to shun the responsibility of the Dr. from possible accusations of malpractice or a lack of care or treatment for a serious issue.

IF you go to a Dr. in my area, and make a claim about something, their job is to test that claim and give you an answer...AND THEY USE LANGUAGE TO GET SUCH A RESPONSE FROM YOU DELIBERATELY... I learned this the hard way... I was set up and fell right into it...

I was experiencing severe pain and numbness in my arms, mostly my hands and wrists... (Eventually this was an element that led to my diagnosis of MS, but at the time, I thought perhaps I had carpel tunnel syndrome... ) I had already been diagnoised with Optical nerve damage, which is also found in Multiple Sclerosis, but I didn't think to connect the two... And none of my Dr.s asked if I was having other issues.

I went to the Dr. and they asked me what was going on, specifically asking "What condition are you dealing with"... To which I replied, I am not sure, but I believe I may have "Carpel Tunnel"... Of course we all look to others to guess what it may be... and they count on you self diagnoising.

Upon prompting, I went on suggesting the symptoms, and I also said I was there because I was worried and I wanted to make sure that I didn't make whatever it was, any worse. THAT was a HUGE MISTAKE... They told me no, I have no evidence of Carpel Tunnel, and to go home... They assured me that it was probably a transient issue, Told me to buy a wrist brace, but they were under no obligation at that point to find the real cause of it, as they couldn't find any physical reasons for why my hand and arm should be presenting like this? They just sent me away with no answer... I believe I went back a second time, but it went nowhere, their specialty wasn't in neurology, I was told wear the brace and take anti inflammatories... They never suggested a neurologist or nerve test.

Of course knowing it would still be a problem and I would return over and over until it was resolved, each time they would be asking me what I believed it was they were "addressing..." So each time I would have to make a guess that they could shoot down.

I learned that once you suggest a specific condition, (Which they encouraged)... they are only required by law, to either confirm or dismiss the suggestion, they're NOT required to look for anything else... It would be as if you took your car to the mechanic and said your vehicle was acting "sluggish", and you suspected a fuel clog somewhere in the fuel system... They would look for such a clog, and upon not finding one, charge you and send you on your way.. Even if they noticed that your emergency brake was locked in the Braking position, rather than released, and you didn't notice it? They would not be required to release it, or tell you they noticed it... and allow your vehicle its full power... That isn't what you asked of them...

And that can be deadly if the wrong thing is deliberately overlooked...

These days mostly Dr.s know there is more money in treatment so they will send you out for as many tests as possible, and write as many "Maintainence prescriptions" as possible to make kickbacks from the pharmaceutical industry, but there are those that still do what I am suggesting above when it comes to something they will actually have to fix... Something a pill won't mask.

Of course you would return for ANOTHER VISIT, because the problem wasn't resolved... and hopefully if you realized your error, you would ask them to tell YOU what the real problem is... but by then, Now you need new brake pads, and possibly more, (Rotors turned, etc... ) depending on how long you left it locked on. So I quickly learned to NOT tell the Dr. what I suspect is wrong, and make them figure it out... I tell them only the issues I am facing. And make THEM do their jobs!

On the third visit I believe it was, I believe they sent me to FINALLY get my wrist exrayed and an MRI was ran, in which they saw no obvious breaks, sprains, growths, or abnormalities... the lesions weren't on the nerves in my arms, they were on my spinal column and brain so I never got a diagnosis at all regarding that major pain and numbness until about 6 years later as the pieces fell together... 6 years of pain, no reason... But you bet they got paid by both me and my insurance... That isn't healthcare, that is neglect.

It seems the medical establishment is well aware that most pain boil down to inflammation. If they can't find the cause, they will start with inflammation.. For me they gave me a prescription for 800 MG. Ibuprofin... and sent me on my way without care. And no referral to someone who could help me, they made me think I was crazy or a hypochondriac, as they do for many. At this point, I SHOULD HAVE asked if it could have been neurological... But I had no idea the optical nerve damage and arm/hand issues could be related.

LESSON HERE... TELL YOUR SYMPTOMS.... DOCUMENT THEM, AND NEVER TELL A DR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IT MIGHT BE....

Denise/Dizi
16th December 2024, 20:59
This post has a few situations...

My very first medical nightmare...

When I was 21, I was pregnant with my first child.. I didn't know I was pregnant, and went to the er for pain. They negligently diagnoised me with a uterine infection, rather than running a pregnancy test and doing an ultrasound and learning that I was indeed pregnant. And they gave me a medication that at the time, caused severe birth defects to treat an infection I never had and was never tested for... . I left the hospital believing I had an infection, and went on to see a gynacologist when the pain grew worse.

I learned not only was I pregnant, I had a cyst tangled up in my fallopian tube, both had to be removed, WHILE I was pregnant, immediately or I would lose my son.

I lost the ovary, and had to take hormone shots for the next 13 weeks. The cyst was the size of a cantaloupe... And would have been easily seen had someone done an ultrasound... My first son was born a month early, with major heart defects as a result of a lack of a proper diagnosis and the administration of a known medication that causes major birth defects. He had to undergo 2 serious open heart surgeries as a result of this "Mistake"... He had other defects as well...

The hospital was negligent, having not run the pregnancy test before administering such a destructive medication... They never ran a pregnancy test even though it was a possibility. And they didn't run any tests to see if I even had an infection warranting the medications...

I SHOULD HAVE SUED THE HOSPITAL, but I was so busy trying to sustain the pregnancy I didn't even consider it... at 5 days old he had his first heart surgery. At 7 years old he had his second. He had 2 additional surgeries for another issue that he faced as a result of this negligent treatment. And over the course of the next year I had 2 more surgeries on my other ovary to remove cysts from that one, until finally, at 24 years of age, I opted for a full hysterectomy... I didn't think annual surgeries to remove cysts was the way I wanted to go... I wanted to rid myself of the issues causing the cysts...

The purpose of posting this is this... IF you get subpar medical care you NEED to speak out.. I faced surgery after surgery, generationally as a result of a lack of proper care... I was young, and so overwhelmed, that I didn't fight the hospital when they mistreated me when I showed up in the emergency room. I had had that pain for years on and off, so an infection seemed an unlikely culprit, but I TRUSTED THEM to know what they were doing...

This was my first, and most long lasting nightmare as it still haunts my son to this day, as he has to see a cardiologist for the rest of his life. As you can see, me and the medical industry have some issues...

onto the more recent...


Another time I "fired" a Dr... I had a tumor in my inner ear. They call it a cholesteotoma.. It required a major surgery in which they cut your ear off, drill a hole in your skull, excise it out, and rebuild the eardrum, and reattach the ear... I was told my hearing bones would be scraped out entirely from the cavity, and I would be deaf. I was also told that the tumor had wrapped itself around my facial nerve and the left side of my face would be paralyzed as a result... He said this would be the "BEST OUTCOME"..

This time, after all the nightmares, I was fed up with junk healthcare... I opted for a second opinion... I went to a specialist in a larger town... I had the same diagnosis, but was told there was a machine that could "detect facial nerve twitches", and that they could then see if they were touching the nerve and avoid it... Leaving my face non paralysed... I was also told that while the surgery would be longer, they could scrape the bones and leave them intact, saving my hearing... And they scheduled the surgery and did just that. I can hear and my face is not paralyzed. I had to have the same procedure a year later to make sure it hadn't regrown, but it was worth it.

The first Surgeon DIDN'T HAVE the machine that attaches to the facial nerve, and didn't bother to tell me such a thing existed, because he KNEW if he had, I would have the surgery elsewhere. He was willing to paralyze my face and make me deaf just to get that job. I WAS MORTIFIED! Sadly this Dr. went on only to work in the HMO system, one which forces their older patients to see only the Dr.s listed in their community who are the "specialists". I was shocked to learn that patients may have been made deaf, merely because this Dr. was promised the patients... So long as he used that HMO system.

The amount of malpractice, neglect, downright redirection or lack of full truth, when it benefits a physician, can be crushing to you, a loved one, or a friend... You must be your own advocate, and in sharing all of these stories I am hoping that my journey helps others to be able to step up for themselves when something similar happens, and advocate for themselves. Each life struggle taught me strength, and I DO now, take full responsibility for my own care. I DO hold Dr. s accountable, I do ask questions, and good ones as a result of what I know now... And I learned what to ask as a result of being on the bad end of so many situations. Ones I hope many can avoid as a result of sharing my stories and actions.

The point of these posts? Get a second opinion ALWAYS... ESPECIALLY IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO YOU, BEFORE you are treated for ANYTHING... There is only one time I was unable to do so, since these days, and that was when I had a seizure and was unconscious as the paramedics worked on me, otherwise I ALWAYS DO NOW

Denise/Dizi
16th December 2024, 22:18
This last post about the medical lessons are about my husband... I don't think he would mind I share them as it may help someone in the future... One was a colon issue, the other was Covid... BOTH were horrible situations that really shocked me, mostly because the local healthcare system hadn't improved but rather... Gotten worse. MUCH WORSE.. And I immediately stepped up and got involved for him.

Covid. This is where PA saved his life. In all seriousness, He is alive today as a result of someone else sharing information as I am attempting to today...


The first time I bucked the system on behalf of the hubby was when Covid came to town. He got extremely ill and ended up at the hospital. (I have shared this before but it also fits here)... I was not allowed inside and they had him hooked up to everything, had the oxygen hooked up and was 10 clicks on the dial from being maxxed out and having to be vented. He was so "out of it" by then that he wasn't well enough to be his own advocate. He would tell me via text, in short messages daily how he was doing, and it wasn't well. I knew that they had told him he may be in the hospital for possibly another month and they had planned for just that. And told him if he didn't get his oxygen up they would have to vent him.

They only administered the protocols.. I had gone and gotten horsepaste with just the ivermectin and was fine... but they gave him remdesiver. I was horrified. He was in no condition to question anything, and I was at home, reading up on the medication. The last nurse to see him had told him he wouldn't be coming home anytime soon.

So I looked to anything and everything being posted here. And I told him via text... Ask for Ivermectin, there is a loophole that allows for you to request "off label" usage (just as they were using to pedal Remdesiver) of a drug if they have no cure for a condition.. I told him he would have to sign a release, and if they refused it, I would push to have him removed to another hospital. He began asking the nurses as the Dr.s weren't making rounds. The nurses weren't allowed to suggest ivermectin, but once he did, they nodded in agreement.

FINALLY his Dr. came in and he said 4 words... "Ivermectin, I want it".. And the Dr. went on to tell him "There are risks".. He shot back with "There are risks with aspirin, I WANT IT"... So he was presented with paperwork to release the Dr. from liability, and he was given his first dose. within 36 hours I was at the front of the hospital waiting for them to wheel him out in a wheelchair to go home. They never even gave him his last 2 doses... I was certain another round of remdesiver would not help him, but could affect his organs and potentially kill him.

Once he signed the paperwork, as soon as the pen left the paper, the Doctor told him, "They are showing good results using this in the city". They KNEW people were living, getting better, and QUICKLY, but because of the hospitals need to follow "protocol", pushing a drug that harms people for profit? He couldn't say anything. This Dr. was willing to risk my husbands life KNOWING the outcome, and even warning him of it beforehand, making him believe that was the only route his illness would take, until he spoke up for himself.

THANK YOU PA... I am convinced had everyone not posted what they knew about ivermectin, I would not have been well enough to even research what could save him, and how to get it into his hands. I even offered to smuggle it in, with a care package, so he could treat himself if they wouldn't.

YOU saved his life...

The second time... My husband learned some lessons from my past experiences.. THANKFULLY... And surprisingly? He fired a Dr. while facing a major surgery that could have sidelined his life for at least 8 months... The family business would have had to close after 50 years, and he would have faced trials no one should have to endure merely because of the industry not educating the patients better...

My husband is a jeweler, he sits at a bench all day long, and as such? Has put on some weight. He is a big guy... It places a large amount of pressure on his tummy, spine, etc, sitting in one place all day... Not to mention it doesn't help that he is rarely able to get up and move around as he is so busy... He was born with defects in his stomach / intestinal area lining. He has had 2 hernias as a result. Those were repaired by a wonderful local surgeon... But as his condition is hereditary he also was susceptible to colon issues as diverticulitis runs in the family.

He had a major flare up, and required hospitalization for the diverticulitis as it was kinking his bowel, and he needed surgery. For him it was his upper bowel and he had 90% blockage.. I was HORRIFIED to learn that the treatment for even a minor case in my area, is to surgically remove part of the bowel, and give the patient a colostomy bag for six months then to go back in and remove the bag and reattach the bowel. My thought was, why not remove it, and reattach then? They suggested it was because the bowel wasn't clean enough at the time of surgery, so they had to wait. Well if it is disconnected for 6 months, how does that help to clear and clean it?

So this is what happened, now that you know what his issue was...

Rather than visit him in his hospital bed, the surgeon scheduled to operate on him, looked at the films... called him on the phone while he was asleep, and said that he would be doing the operation, and that he "couldn't reattach the colon at the time, and that he would be doing the bag..." But he wasn't sure how, as the bag had a "short lead" and he had a tummy... So he basically said he would operate but never told him how he was going to fix this issue, or even if he could!

My husband, sat in his bed in disbelief, that this stranger was so arrogant in his power to dictate what he was going to do to him, that could permenantly affect his life in such a way, and he didn't even have the courtesy to even come to his room to talk to him in person! He IMMEDIATELY called the surgeon who had beautifully repaired both of his hernias over the phone, and asked HIM to look at the scans and see if it is something he thought he could fix, WITHOUT a bag or second surgery, and if so WOULD HE be willing to do so...

We sat for a few anxious hours, waiting for a reply phone call.. He called back, good news, it would be a piece of cake, he could go in, remove the damaged area, cut some tissue holding the colon up high, and reattach it, so long as he could clear his bowel.... So he took the medication, and WALKED FOR MILES... He was walking for 2 days straight, in the hospital corridors, awaiting his surgery date...

Sadly, the nurses suggested that no one ever even TRIES to clear their bowel... But of course they wouldn't if they're not being told that if they do, they can avoid a colostomy bag and a second surgery! My husbands roommate was having the same surgery and he told the gentlemen what he was doing and that he wouldn't have to have the second surgery as a result, and the man was not even interested in trying to do the same thing! It baffled us... Who would willingly opt for another surgery rather than walking a little bit to help themselves?

During that time the nurses were shocked, they NEVER saw patients walking to help "clear" themselves, they would rather wear a bag, and come back 6 months later for a second surgery just to avoid contamination. But they NEVER KNEW that had they been able to fully clear and clean their bowel prior to the surgery, they too, would be done in one surgery. NO ONE TOLD THEM AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW TO ASK. They were just told what the Dr. was WILLING to do, and believed that was their only option.

What made the nurses cheer was when my husband fired the doctor on call, as they had watched as time after time, this man, knowing he had the future of these patients in his hands, (and they felt they solely had to depend on HIM for their repair), had gotten to the point of "ego" that he wouldn't even bother to take a short elevator ride to their floor to go over the details with them, about what he planned to do! It was the scuttlebutt of the hospital for the duration of his stay...

Nurses would come in and smile and say "You're the guy who helped yourself, and fired Dr _____" And CONGRATULATE HIM...

I share this story, which for a man, could be quite embarrassing, as I feel it is important that while the system is geared to make you more disposed to being compliant, there are no laws that suggest that you are required to accept poor treatment or care. There are options in many cases that can allow you to be comfortable with what you are going to experience, and eve to the point where you are in a hospital bed facing certain surgery you DO have some control over your care!

NEVER FORGET, even if you ARE insured, you can request someone out of network, and opt to "self pay". It may take you years to pay something like that off, but to get great care, it would be worth it. You do NOT have to rely on the standards of the hospital care system, and you can demand that you receive a second opinion, or even a different surgeon!

I am done posting about medical situations, but I hope they help SOMEONE... I want to THANK EACH AND EVERY MEMBER OF PA THAT HAS HELPED ME LEARN THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY, AND IN ONE CASE DID SAVE MY HUSBAND FROM DEATH... I am sure he would not have made it had he not challenged the system...

I think that empowering people with knowledge of potential situations and how to remedy them satisfactorily is probably the best gift that we can carry forward into the New Year and into the lives of many who feel helpless in times of distress...

Strat
16th December 2024, 23:18
Thank you for posting this Denise. Admittedly, I've only read your first post so if you've already answered the following question then my apologies.

I've also had to wrestle with doctors and healthcare here in USA. I'm curious what your thoughts are on our healthcare system? I don't have any set in stone opinions about it, I find that my own thoughts on our system evolves. On one hand, I think it's bad that poor people have trouble getting the healthcare they need. On the other hand, I've had severe health issues that are treated best here in USA. I used to be on forums for cluster headaches and people in Canada, Europe, etc haaated their healthcare system.

There is a kind of skill involved when it comes to dealing with doctors. Folks like you and I are (somewhat unfortunately) good at it. When you're good at it, it seems you can get **** done which isn't an option in other countries.

What do you think? Pros and cons?

Denise/Dizi
18th December 2024, 05:49
Thank you for posting this Denise. Admittedly, I've only read your first post so if you've already answered the following question then my apologies.


I've also had to wrestle with doctors and healthcare here in USA. I'm curious what your thoughts are on our healthcare system? I don't have any set in stone opinions about it, I find that my own thoughts on our system evolves. On one hand, I think it's bad that poor people have trouble getting the healthcare they need. On the other hand, I've had severe health issues that are treated best here in USA. I used to be on forums for cluster headaches and people in Canada, Europe, etc haaated their healthcare system.

There is a kind of skill involved when it comes to dealing with doctors. Folks like you and I are (somewhat unfortunately) good at it. When you're good at it, it seems you can get **** done which isn't an option in other countries.

What do you think? Pros and cons?

Boy this is a big question... But before I reply to it, I really want to give it some serious thought... This question is bigger than just the healthcare system, it also spreads out to our food supply, water supply, politics, corporate greed, (as well as many other things)...

I will say this however...

I believe America absolutely could set a standard others would look up to, if they wanted to... There are some really incredibly talented Dr.s, surgeons, nurses and technological advancements out there...

But first the Americans need to step up and be accountable to their own lack of self responsibility, and take better care of themselves, rather than relying on some other entity to take care of their well being... Once that happens, what they expected from the system would change, and expectations and accountability would as well..

I will try to make a bullet point post soon with pros and cons as I see them, I am curious how you think about the topic in comparison as we are so much alike!

Tyler Macmillan
20th December 2024, 01:15
Denise/Dizi- Thanks for your posts. I've been trying to read them in batches, primarily because of empathy on how intense and personal it must be. I'll offer a few of my own learnings, but first I must underscore my admiration for your courage and willingness to share such personal stories. If more people could realize how much power they have to be an advocate for their own health, in the same way you have done, the whole system may be better off.

Johnnycomelately
20th December 2024, 08:48
Nice thread, thanks Denise and Strat and luking.

Had a thought, about the so-called “Christ-Spark”, from back a ~billion minutes ago. Spark idea is that when “It is finished” was said, that a small part of Jesus’ Christ-energy was given to all the children who were outside home (“Heaven”) for cause. Probably still was given to the helpers who came here pure but might be corrupted.

My thought had to do with what’s seemingly the most important long term goal, to get our soul fully healthy again.

So, in my take, the the most important things in life are about how we get along with others, other people. Mostly here on Earth.

But I think we must still embrace the practical side of living, at least as a means of giving to others.

Here’s a cool hack, IMO, for making thicker glue lines. Might come in handy. OP is probably ghosting some kharma.

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Tyler Macmillan
21st December 2024, 23:33
Moved my post here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124013-What-I-have-learned&p=1647719&viewfull=1#post1647719) to the Members Only > Personal Epiphanies section, along with a username change. Thanks again Denise/Dizi for a great forum thread/prompt!

Denise/Dizi
22nd December 2024, 16:12
I just want to note here, I will be very busy for the next few days, I am not abandoning the thread... But I will drop a few tidbits I learned in life that have always helped me to have more positive outcomes and less stress in my life, (and happier and more healthy relationships with others..)

Especially during the holidays.

These are mostly about relationships in life, as we all gather with those we love this holiday season. As how we manage said things affects how we are affected by them overall...

The most important lesson would be:

"Energy is a "potential" equalizing force in ones life, where you choose to exercise the use of it, matters in the whole of your own well being."

* So for those who are mourning the loss of someone this holiday season? Rather than wallowing in sadness, perhaps use that energy celebrating the gift of the memories that you have of that individual. Choosing to have happy loving thoughts and memories versus sadness is just that... A choice.

* Holding onto worry about the outcome of something doesn't change the outcome. What it does is limit the ability of the mind to use it's resources to find solutions to said outcome (for a quicker resolution that is more positive.)

* Your expectations are not someone else's obligations...so release others of the accountability of said things...

* Being self accountable and selfish are two different things, know the difference.

* When someone does something embarrassing, they are only embarrassing themselves.. Let them carry that baggage. So let them deal with that fallout rather than claiming it as your own tool to shame them. (ie- I can't believe you got drunk and passed out at the dinner table) or something along those lines... Shame never solved anything, it only perpetuates more unbalanced behaviors and stresses.

* Take care of yourself... You will find yourself in a far better place when you have nothing to hold against someone else when it comes to your own well being. It is only when you are whole that you are fully present in a healthy relationship.

* Learn to let things go... Deal with immediate issues that need to be handled, but let things go when they are played out. Learn from them what you will, but don't carry negativity around like a blanket to the next situation, just the lesson learned.

* Help from another is one thing, dependance on another is something else entirely... and leads to insecurity, issues, and baggage...

I wish for everyone this holiday season to be successfully self accountable, happy, and free of the baggage that brings them down... So that they may be healthy and able to lift others up...

There are far more individuals facing things that are out of their control... (children in abusive or neglectful situations, etc...) That could use that energy you are sharing, in a more positive way... The last thing we need is grownups wallowing in self pity because they choose to neglect themselves. And it isn't selfish to be well, both physically and mentally...

Merry Christmas Everyone!