How do you stay informed/Which news outlets do you read?

[Strat]

It's hard to stay informed. I've never found a news outlet that I totally trust, the bias is always so strong that it's a turnoff. I'm somewhat hypersensitive to this because I have a scientist's brain. I like to employ Sagan's "Bologna Detection Kit (https://www.themarginalian.org/2014/01/03/baloney-detection-kit-carl-sagan/)" when checking the news and that cuts right through a lot of bull****. At the same time it leaves basically all forms of media useless. So it's really hard to strike the right balance.

With the internet, any random Joe can post whatever they want on Twitter, Telegram, Reddit, etc. I call bull****. With major traditional outlets (Legacy Media, etc) they are always twisting facts. I call bull****. Some sites are flat out owned by the country they are based in. I call bull****.

With so much bull****, the news really stinks! It's hard to stay informed. What's a fella to do?

So for the time being I read as much of it as I can, from all sources listed above. Read it all and try to find the balance somewhere in the middle.

What do you do?
:coffee:

[norman]

I read the "energy" of the presentation.

But wait, oops, that's not scientific either.

I'm kinda past "News". I'm kinda past a lot of things now. I feel just giving it attention encourages it.

[Zem]

While I do keep up with the news from time to time, I prefer to consume it through well-curated summaries.

James Rickards blog (right-leaning)
https://dailyreckoning.com/author/jrickards/

Current Affairs (left-leaning)
https://www.currentaffairs.org/

Stillness in the Storm / Fulford
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/


Wikipedia has a nice article of the Media bias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias

[madrotter]

While I do keep up with the news from time to time, I prefer to consume it through well-curated summaries.

James Rickards blog (right-leaning)
https://dailyreckoning.com/author/jrickards/

Current Affairs (left-leaning)
https://www.currentaffairs.org/

Stillness in the Storm / Fulford
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/


Wikipedia has a nice article of the Media bias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias

Thanks for the Current Affairs link, I like what I've seen so far.... :)

For daily news the quickest I'm still going to GLP, some folks that I follow, Chris Hedges, Brendon Lee O'Connell, George Galloway. I sometimes read stuff from Caitlin Johnstone, Jon Rappoport, Benjamin Fulford, Jim Stone, Henry Makow, Michael Yon, Ralph Nader and some others. Don't much care if they are "left" leaning or "right" leaning.... I do miss Robert Fisk, A LOT, would've love to hear what good ol' Fisky would've said about everything going on in the ME, pretty sure he would've stayed in Lebanon through all the stuff that's been going on lately, the same goes for John Pilger.... (not to mention Robert Anton Wilson and Hunter S. Thompson, imagine the gonzo books about the last few elections in the US).

I haven't been on this forum very long, I think 2 years or so, but I've come to really appreciate it. Not just the subject matter usually discussed here, but the calmness and mutual respect during discussions, even when things get heated, I just wanted to say that :)

[Bill Ryan]

There are two another very similar threads: (...which maybe should be merged?)


Your Favorite Social Media Sites? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115155-Your-Favorite-Social-Media-Sites&highlight=sites)



What are your sources of information on the web? Who do you trust? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106321-What-are-your-sources-of-information-on-the-web-Who-do-you-trust)

[shaberon]

I pretty much gave up on the Anglosphere due to Syria 2012.

At the time, I would have said The Saker was a good blog, we followed it here at the beginning of the Ukraine conflict, until the owner was repressed out of the United States and quit running it. One of its contributors, Thorsten Pattberg, is still publishing; he's not quite "news", but experience spelled out.

Otherwise, I found myself relegated to Al Manar, Mehr News, Sputnik, Southfront, with maybe some ANNA and a few Kurdish ones. Syrian SANA is not a very robust site, and it has been missing since before the HTS maneuvers, and it may not have much more to say other than "some of us are still alive".

For an occasional review of English sources, Information Clearinghouse is alright; otherwise, more than plenty of it gets posted on the forum, and that's as close as I get.

[avid]

https://www.ukcolumn.org/
Great news, honest journalism.

[Open Minded Dude]

I can't stand any major/mainstream news outlet. I would need therapy if forced to watch even 1 hour of their sh*te.

As regards alternative outlets in Germany Nuoviso/Nuoflix is where I go often, also for good analyses and many interviews.

https://nuoflix.de/

Also Apolut:
https://apolut.net/

There's many more of course, e.g. "Wikihausen" which tackles Wikipedia misinformation.

For everything Russia/Ukraine I have Thomas Roeper who I often quote (translated) in the Ukraine-war thread (which I actually started back then in April 2021 with one of Röper's articles foreshadowing the war that started a year later):

https://anti-spiegel.ru/

As regards US/UK outlets I used to watch/read Infowars and Natural News years ago but not nowadays anymore. Too sensationalist and click-bait for me at times (although still valuable information).

Often I use Youtube channels where I watch some condensed info or even comedy-form such as the Jimmy-Dore-Show:

https://www.youtube.com/c/thejimmydoreshow/videos

Also there's other US Youtubers, such as Redacted (although they are a bit too clickbaity with their titles and thumbnails for me), Matt Walsh, Mark Dice, JP Sears (also for the fun stuff), and a few more.

A bit beyond current news but still relevant political discussions, especially for art and culture regarding anti-wokeness topics I like most the Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic.

https://www.youtube.com/user/sutrowatchtower/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/jacktaylor1983/videos

... and a few similar ones, such as Dave Cullen, Amala Ekpunobi or Disparu.

[Mike]

I used to watch Tucker when he was on FOX, and I thought he was fantastic. That was the only mainstream news I've ever watched in earnest; I'd watch bits and pieces of CNN and MSNBC just to see what type of madness they were peddling (because this is also useful to know), but that's about it.

I still think Tucker is fantastic, but I'm not sure if what he does qualifies as a "news outlet", so I'm not sure this applies to this thread.

I scroll yahoo news most days, reading or skimming various articles, just to see what all the talking heads are saying. You can learn almost as much by what the liars and bullsh!tters are saying, simply by assuming the opposite of everything they say is the truth or close to it.

I listen to podcasts like Shawn Ryan and Rogan, and James Lindsay's "New Discourses" series, which is second to none. Lately I've been listening to Megyn Kelly more than anyone else for just the straight news. There's a whole host of others like Triggernometry, The Daily Wire shows, Paul Joseph Watson, The Liberal Hive mind, Jordan Peterson, Rubin Report, Louder With Crowder, Jimmy Dore, Glenn Beck, Brett/Eric Weinstein, Heather Heying..and others I can't conjure at the moment. Not exactly "news outlets" per se but maybe the best way to educate oneself on the current state of the world

[norman]

MonkeyWerx US (https://www.youtube.com/@MonkeyWerxUS/videos) can be informative if raw data is what you want.

Not always, and it can be misleading because some activity doesn't broadcast it's presence. It takes a bit of experience to interpret what his software is showing us.



https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRiOEMh2D-WBBYG9N0HA68SZyIC9_niXR7HiiKK9hY_xuqwP_w92P-zvjS0EEgRdREdpEg&usqp=CAU

[arjunaloka_official]

I scroll yahoo news most days, reading or skimming various articles, just to see what all the talking heads are saying. You can learn almost as much by what the liars and bullsh!tters are saying, simply by assuming the opposite of everything they say is the truth or close to it.



I do the same thing. Generally, I always try to pick one mainstream source (could be cnn.com) and one alternative source (like rt.com, to give just one example). Then I try to figure out who is right. The risk is that if you only consume alternative news, you end up in a bubble too, and the alternative news is not always right either.

[Strat]

I used to watch Tucker when he was on FOX, and I thought he was fantastic. That was the only mainstream news I've ever watched in earnest; I'd watch bits and pieces of CNN and MSNBC just to see what type of madness they were peddling (because this is also useful to know), but that's about it.

I still think Tucker is fantastic, but I'm not sure if what he does qualifies as a "news outlet", so I'm not sure this applies to this thread.

I scroll yahoo news most days, reading or skimming various articles, just to see what all the talking heads are saying. You can learn almost as much by what the liars and bullsh!tters are saying, simply by assuming the opposite of everything they say is the truth or close to it.

I listen to podcasts like Shawn Ryan and Rogan, and James Lindsay's "New Discourses" series, which is second to none. Lately I've been listening to Megyn Kelly more than anyone else for just the straight news. There's a whole host of others like Triggernometry, The Daily Wire shows, Paul Joseph Watson, The Liberal Hive mind, Jordan Peterson, Rubin Report, Louder With Crowder, Jimmy Dore, Glenn Beck, Brett/Eric Weinstein, Heather Heying..and others I can't conjure at the moment. Not exactly "news outlets" per se but maybe the best way to educate oneself on the current state of the world

Shawn Ryan rocks. I've been considering becoming a paid member but he's starting to have people on that are spitting unchecked facts and that makes me cringe. I like it when he has military folks that don't hide behind "it's classified" bs and with his background it's cool to watch him ask questions that the average person wouldn't know to ask or explain things that we the everyday person wouldn't know.

His debate with the left wing anti-cop guy was one of the best debates I've ever seen. Internet debates are more often than not just arguments where one person tries to win a verbal battle against the other.

[Inversion]

I've had problems trying to find a decent news site for years. They either want you to login or they put up a we use cookies notice. I really like Steve Quayle's website (https://www.stevequayle.com/). Last I heard Stan Deyo's wife Holly the Author of Dare to Prepare puts up this news stories every day and they mostly resonate with my interests and save a lot of time. Dailymail seems to have a lot of breaking stories first and usually have good images, but a poor video player.

[Anchor]

Why is important to keep up with "current affairs"

In my case: I need to have a good idea of the weather. First opinion is my eyes, second is the Australian BOM (Bureau of Metrology)

If I go out I need to know if it safe to go to out because I want to avoid crowds or drama - so I have to know if there is anything going down relevant to my plans - this usually just means shopping. I don't go out much - I can do everything I need to do from my little oasis. I do have to go out though to get dairy, veggies we can't grow etc... Chiropractic adjustments bi-weekly - that kind of thing.

X (x.com) is my primary source now of what is going on in the world. I am a paying user but only use it via my web browser. No app. Grok is amazingly useful and has speeded up research (when I do it) lot.

[rgray222]

Along with my first cup of coffee in the morning, I grab my phone and scroll through four news websites: NBC, CNN, Fox, and BBC. This takes about thirty minutes. I find reading much easier than watching the news because it removes most but not all of the emotion. I hardly watch any TV anymore except when an important story is developing I become a TV junkie for the first 24 hours. I find that when a blockbuster story is happening you're very likely to get real news in the first 24 hours, after that the media has had a chance to catch their breath and determine how they want you to digest the information. Once we roll past the 24-hour mark the TV goes off. If I have the time and the inclination, I will visit other sites to get a different perspective on certain topics such as the English version of Pravda, Aljazeera, English version of Israel Hayom. I will also listen to bits and pieces of podcasts throughout the week, especially in the car. Clay and Buck, Rogan.

I believe that the entire news industry is in a state of change, the legacy news stations are on the way out and the Internet has taken over as a primary news source. That said, Ai is nipping at the heels of the Internet and will overtake (or at least equal) it as a primary news source. Things will be in a state of flux for quite a bit longer.

[Dennis Leahy]

If you want to "know" that Israel is the good guys and that Satanyahoo's goy-cleansing actions, Zionism, Greater Israel are heroic and have just goals, and to "know" that Russia and Putin are evil and USA-NATO and Ukraine are the good guys, well you can watch: ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, Fox, BBC, or read the New York Times, Wall Street Journal... even Popular Mechanics, Wikipedia...


Yes, you can find out what the liars most current lies are (and their omissions of truth) by checking those "mainscream" outlets that pretend to be the news. But you can't find the truth there. It is valuable, but only in an "Art of War" sense, but even then, if that's the only perspective you hear and you can discern the lies, you still don't have the truth to balance anything out.


If you want to know the scores from Friday night's high school football games (in the US), the aforementioned "news" outlets do an excellent job. Other than that, everything you hear or read from them is agenda-laden programming, not news. If you have crappy discernment skills, you don't stand a chance against the professional befuddlers.

[ThePythonicCow]

I have several lists of bookmarks to various sorts of "News" sites. Here's my current primary list, that I scan most frequently:


Revolver.news (https://www.revolver.news/)
Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/)
Whatfinger (http://www.whatfinger.com/home2)
RT (https://www.rt.com/)
WhatDoesItMean (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/)
Real Raw News (https://realrawnews.com/)
Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/login)
Benjamin Fulford (https://benjaminfulford.net/)
Stillness in the Storm (https://stillnessinthestorm.com/)
JimWillie@SGTReport (https://www.sgtreport.com/?s=willie)
clif high | Substack (https://clifhigh.substack.com/)
Clif High Videos (https://clifhighvideos.com/)
Twitter (https://twitter.com/)
Peak Prosperity (https://peakprosperity.com/)
Drudge (http://drudgereport.com/)

[Tintin]

This definitely needs some expanding now, and/or refining, with maybe a couple of deletions too: under the External sites tab here:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Screenshot_2024-12-18_external_sites_tab.png the following pop up and direct direct to sites, or should; I should revisit this at some point soon and make sure they all still do work.

Current list tied to that tab:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Screenshot_2024-12-18_external_sites_tab_2.png
https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Screenshot_2024-12-18_external_sites_tab_3.png

---

If anyone uses Telegram as I very often do for ostensibly almost real-time geopolitical updates particular surrounding the current military conflicts then there are a whole bunch of reliable sources there, and many do report the news a little ahead of even X contributors, and of course some of them do have corresponding X accounts.

[madrotter]

I would add the Amazing Polly to that list :)

[rgray222]

If you want to "know" that Israel is the good guys and that Satanyahoo's goy-cleansing actions, Zionism, Greater Israel are heroic and have just goals, and to "know" that Russia and Putin are evil and USA-NATO and Ukraine are the good guys, well you can watch: ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, Fox, BBC, or read the New York Times, Wall Street Journal... even Popular Mechanics, Wikipedia...

Yes, you can find out what the liars most current lies are (and their omissions of truth) by checking those "mainscream" outlets that pretend to be the news. But you can't find the truth there. It is valuable, but only in an "Art of War" sense, but even then, if that's the only perspective you hear and you can discern the lies, you still don't have the truth to balance anything out.

If you want to know the scores from Friday night's high school football games (in the US), the aforementioned "news" outlets do an excellent job. Other than that, everything you hear or read from them is agenda-laden programming, not news. If you have crappy discernment skills, you don't stand a chance against the professional befuddlers.

Dennis, you hit the nail on the head. Every single news source and information site on planet Earth has an agenda and any site that writes about news slants it in a direction that suits their master. Here is where everyone will tilt their head back with the obligatory eye role...................It makes absolutely no difference whether it is Zero Hedge Fund, Russia Today, Andrew Mercouis, BBC, The Dark Journalist, CNN, Peak Prosperity, Fox News, etc. I can hear the background din of a thousand voices saying, not my news source.

Everybody reads news that supports their belief systems. Everybody clamours to find validation for their beliefs. Most people don't want to believe they are doing this but there are no exceptions to this steadfast rule.

If we put stock in honesty then our job is to walk through the mind field of information without losing limb or life. If we hold onto our beliefs too strongly, we are truly lost souls. We all know people like this, we see them every day. We must loosely hold onto our beliefs and change when we see undeniable truth, sounds easy but it's not. It is a tall order indeed.

For most people, all news is fake news unless it suits their beliefs.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I come here.

Avalon is pretty much my one-stop shop as a news aggregator. All the channels, outlets, and podcasts I could ever need are posted on this board. When important stories hit the airwaves, I can be sure to hear about it first right here, from our member-base, then go on to receive excellent coverage, as the facts are whittled down to their base components, sans propaganda, for me to decide what's what.

A good example was the Trump assassination attempt back in the summer. Our analysis of that event was superb; a community-driven deep dive that was possibly second to none for a web forum.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I began curating my news sources when the covid lie began. Then the 2020 election required even more pruning of sources. By then I was down to a mere handful of web sites.

Then October 7th happened.


I now watch only one news source, with two back ups for verification, that's it.


Avalon is no longer one of those.
Yes, it is the Jew Haters here. But speculation about Trump's own hand in his assassination was the proverbial straw.

[Strat]

Ernie did you have a bad acid trip or something? Have you been taking meds? You used to be a solid dude.

[Dennis Leahy]

I began curating my news sources when the covid lie began. Then the 2020 election required even more pruning of sources. By then I was down to a mere handful of web sites.

Then October 7th happened.


I now watch only one news source, with two back ups for verification, that's it.


Avalon is no longer one of those.
Yes, it is the Jew Haters here. But speculation about Trump's own hand in his assassination was the proverbial straw.


Ernie, seriously, what happened to your discernment? You're not as ignorant as that statement. You know the difference between

Judaism
Jews
Israel
Israelis
IDF
Mossad
Zionism

You do know. Why are you pretending not to know the difference?

Let's stop pretending, OK?

Judaism = a religion
Jews = adherents to a religion
Israel = occupying force in Palestine
Israelis = citizens of occupying force
IDF = ruthless psychopathic anti-goyim Israeli military group
Mossad = ruthless psychopathic anti-goyim Israeli "intelligence" service
Zionism = political ideology (that has hijacked the Jewish belief that Jews are superior to all other people, "goyim")

"Then October 7th happened.
I now watch only one news source, with two back ups for verification, that's it."
Is it Haaretz?

Did the 40 babies that were raped, beheaded, and eaten break something in your mind? Has your one reliable website informed you yet that the dead babies story was 100% deliberately fabricated and was calculated to interrupt and bypass your intellect and trigger your emotion-based false rage? Has your one reliable website clued you in that the Mossad/IDF/Israeli government deliberately stood down (like the US govt did on 9/11) and let Hamas waltz in?

Quite frankly, I have actually wondered if someone took over your computer, Ernie. I don't read everything, but as far as I remember, you never got locked into such ignorance before. I do credit the Zionist cabal for their award-winning propaganda machine. They are incredible, truly incredible.

In your mind, underscoring the crimes, the brutality, the false flag, the scope of the psychopathic "retaliation", the lies of the ideology under which the IDF/Mossad/Israel is operating, Zionism, is Jew hating? Jew hating? Jew hating? Shining a light on Zionism is Jew-hating? That's immeasurably ignorant.

Stop it! Stop calling people that see Zionism clearly for what it is as "Jew haters!" Has your one source informed you that the Orthodox Jews, the holy men of Judaism, regularly and constantly say the same thing about Zionism - that it is an evil ideology that has nothing to do with Judaism.

You said somewhere recently that you are being brow-beaten. You are not being brow beaten, you are being called out for supporting Zionism and Israel's lies over Palestine's holocaust. You've been expressing Netanyahu's propaganda.


p.s. I was raised Catholic, and was told - like Jewish kids - that I was in the one and only true church, and so I could be with God in heaven - and everyone else on Earth was going to hell or "purgatory" forever. I knew that was bullsh!t when I was in 2nd grade. It's quite easy for me to see that there is no such thing as a God that loves one group of humans and not the others, so yeah, the Jews are 100% wrong in the main tenet of their religion. Calling bullsh!t on that Jewish ignorant belief isn't hating Jews, either.

[edina]

@ Strat
@Dennis

Why are you jumping to insults?

The question in the OP was "How do you stay informed/Which news outlets do you read?"
NOT an invitation to be insulted because someone disagrees with another person's process.

:facepalm:

I had been wondering why I was seeing less of Ernie here at Avalon. And his post gives me a better sense of why that may be. Thanks Ernie, for your authenticity.

[Strat]

@ Strat
@Dennis

Why are you jumping to insults?

Eat my shorts.

[edina]

@ Strat
@Dennis

Why are you jumping to insults?

Eat my shorts.

No Thank you, not interested.

[Dennis Leahy]

@ Strat
@Dennis

Why are you jumping to insults?

The question in the OP was "How do you stay informed/Which news outlets do you read?"
NOT an invitation to be insulted because someone disagrees with another person's process.

:facepalm:

I had been wondering why I was seeing less of Ernie here at Avalon. And his post gives me a better sense of why that may be. Thanks Ernie, for your authenticity.

edina, let me catch you up a little bit:

Did you see my previous public message to Ernie, who was despondent, where I let him know someone cares about him, and that whatever was going on he is still my brother? Have you seen any of Ernies excruciatingly honest postings where he declares himself to be a "beta male" and is ashamed by it? You shouldn't try to rescue Ernie. Ernie is a man and can certainly "defend" himself from what you see as insults. I'll assume you meant well, and it was not just about spanking Strat and me for reacting to Ernie's post. Really, don't emasculate Ernie by swooping in to rescue his feelings - let Ernie answer for himself. Show him the courtesy.

In case you missed it, Ernie just insulted every Avalon member that has posted in the "Israel versus the Middle East" thread, including Bill, who has tried to get Ernie to break his "October 7!" spell.

Note that I cited "ignorance", the ignoring of facts, not "stupidity". Ignorance can be cured by examining factual data or by experience. Stupidity usually follows a man, or woman, to the grave.

There are no "Jew haters" publicly posting any "Jew hate" on Avalon. NONE. No one on planet Earth, no delegate from the UN, no world leader that isn't also a psychopath, is screaming at Netanyahu or the IDF or the Mossad for their war crimes and genocide and psychopathc glee because of Judaism. Judaism has nothing to do with Zionism. (There are a bunch of people at Avalon who DO understand that this is an ethnic cleansing fomented and maintained by Zionists, not an ethnic cleansing fomented by Jews.)

Ernie has had OVER A FREAKING YEAR to check and cross-check and to know that Oct 7th was a false flag operation. Ernie paid attention on Oct 7, 2023, but has given no indication whatsoever that he has ever paid attention to 750,000 Palestinians murdered or forced from their homes at gunpoint, the 75 years of occupation, murder, incarceration, apartheid, bulldozing of homes, spraying raw human sh!t from a riot hose into Palestinian shops and homes, cutting down Palestinians olive trees - their highest nutrient substance, shooting thousands of innocent and unarmed civilian children and women and aid workers and doctors and nurses and press. Thousands of Palestinians have been jailed, and many of them tortured and even sodomized to death - the IDF soldiers brag about it. I've been reporting it for decades, calling it a "slow genocide", or mimicking a "punctuated equilibrium": the murdering of an acceptable amount of Palestinians without causing an international uproar, then "retreating" into only clandestine killing and torture for a while. The Zionists are in full scale genocide now, and someone would have to be in a coma not to see the murder of 100,000 Palestinian men women children and babies and the total destruction of Gaza as a the greatest genocidal war crime since Genghis Khan - all under the guise, the pretense, of trying to retrieve prisoners of war or kill the Hamas guys (that Israel/Mossad deliberately funded into existence to have a defined enemy for the wholesale slaughter.)

No, Ernie doesn't get to get away with declaring that Avalon is a "Jew hater" forum. He doesn't get to insult all of our intelligence, just because he never looked at the big picture and doesn't differentiate between a religion and an ideology.

Plus, I have seen a number of posts from Ernie in the past that show him to be intelligent, so I am publicly calling on Ernie to suspend the emotional block and to ascertain the truth about Palestine and Israel, and the evil of Zionism both from the Zionists in Israel and the Zionists/"Christian Zionists" in the US providing all the munitions for the slaughter. And, to never again accuse Avalon members or staff that are exposing the evil ideology of Zionism as being "antisemitic" or "anti-Jew" or a "Jew hater." That's not "being authentic."

Finally, I am calling out the answer to just exactly who Ernie's trusted source is.

[edina]

@ Strat
@Dennis

Why are you jumping to insults?

The question in the OP was "How do you stay informed/Which news outlets do you read?"
NOT an invitation to be insulted because someone disagrees with another person's process.

:facepalm:

I had been wondering why I was seeing less of Ernie here at Avalon. And his post gives me a better sense of why that may be. Thanks Ernie, for your authenticity.

edina, let me catch you up a little bit:

Did you see my previous public message to Ernie, who was despondent, where I let him know someone cares about him, and that whatever was going on he is still my brother? Have you seen any of Ernies excruciatingly honest postings where he declares himself to be a "beta male" and is ashamed by it? You shouldn't try to rescue Ernie. Ernie is a man and can certainly "defend" himself from what you see as insults. I'll assume you meant well, and it was not just about spanking Strat and me for reacting to Ernie's post. Really, don't emasculate Ernie by swooping in to rescue his feelings - let Ernie answer for himself. Show him the courtesy.

In case you missed it, Ernie just insulted every Avalon member that has posted in the "Israel versus the Middle East" thread, including Bill, who has tried to get Ernie to break his "October 7!" spell.

Note that I cited "ignorance", the ignoring of facts, not "stupidity". Ignorance can be cured by examining factual data or by experience. Stupidity usually follows a man, or woman, to the grave.

There are no "Jew haters" publicly posting any "Jew hate" on Avalon. NONE. No one on planet Earth, no delegate from the UN, no world leader that isn't also a psychopath, is screaming at Netanyahu or the IDF or the Mossad for their war crimes and genocide and psychopathc glee because of Judaism. Judaism has nothing to do with Zionism. (There are a bunch of people at Avalon who DO understand that this is an ethnic cleansing fomented and maintained by Zionists, not an ethnic cleansing fomented by Jews.)

Ernie has had OVER A FREAKING YEAR to check and cross-check and to know that Oct 7th was a false flag operation. Ernie paid attention on Oct 7, 2023, but has given no indication whatsoever that he has ever paid attention to 750,000 Palestinians murdered or forced from their homes at gunpoint, the 75 years of occupation, murder, incarceration, apartheid, bulldozing of homes, spraying raw human sh!t from a riot hose into Palestinian shops and homes, cutting down Palestinians olive trees - their highest nutrient substance, shooting thousands of innocent and unarmed civilian children and women and aid workers and doctors and nurses and press. Thousands of Palestinians have been jailed, and many of them tortured and even sodomized to death - the IDF soldiers brag about it. I've been reporting it for decades, calling it a "slow genocide", or mimicking a "punctuated equilibrium": the murdering of an acceptable amount of Palestinians without causing an international uproar, then "retreating" into only clandestine killing and torture for a while. The Zionists are in full scale genocide now, and someone would have to be in a coma not to see the murder of 100,000 Palestinian men women children and babies and the total destruction of Gaza as a the greatest genocidal war crime since Genghis Khan - all under the guise, the pretense, of trying to retrieve prisoners of war or kill the Hamas guys (that Israel/Mossad deliberately funded into existence to have a defined enemy for the wholesale slaughter.)

No, Ernie doesn't get to get away with declaring that Avalon is a "Jew hater" forum. He doesn't get to insult all of our intelligence, just because he never looked at the big picture and doesn't differentiate between a religion and an ideology.

Plus, I have seen a number of posts from Ernie in the past that show him to be intelligent, so I am publicly calling on Ernie to suspend the emotional block and to ascertain the truth about Palestine and Israel, and the evil of Zionism both from the Zionists in Israel and the Zionists/"Christian Zionists" in the US providing all the munitions for the slaughter. And, to never again accuse Avalon members or staff that are exposing the evil ideology of Zionism as being "antisemitic" or "anti-Jew" or a "Jew hater." That's not "being authentic."

Finally, I am calling out the answer to just exactly who Ernie's trusted source is.

Dennis, your assumptions about my actions are inaccurate. Just so you know. Please don't use me as a way to make back-hand innuendos to further slander Ernie's character.

When I asked why you and Strat were jumping to insults it was for two reasons.
1. If this behavior was a one-off action, I would've left it be. But it's not, it's a predicable pattern.
2. Other people are reading this, and for some reason you seem unaware of how what you write when you salt what you say with insulting adjectives affects other people reading your words.

I genuinely don't understand why the negative slander happens.

I disagree with your assessment that Ernie called Avalon a Jew Hater forum. He said there are jew haters in the forum. And honestly, from the outside looking in, yes, sometimes it appears that way. Objectively speaking, it's probably good for people to have an awareness of that potential.

I don't self-identify as a Jew hater, so it never occurred to me to be offended.
As I read the comments by you and Strat I wondered what Ernie had said in his comment written here in this thread that threatened the two of you to have the reaction you had. What triggered it?

You've explained that, thank you. It's a much better explanation than what Strat offered. He essentially answered a question about why you two were jumping to insults with an insult. Which made me laugh out loud at the irony of it all.

In fact, I was quite surprised with Strat's response to Ernie. It seemed out of character for how I thought Strat usually behaves.

Dennis, will you indulge me and share a link to the post where you showed Ernie such a measure of love and compassion, I've looked for and can't find it. You don't have to share it here. You can just PM it to me, if you will. Thank you in advance.

Also, I looked for when Ernie had called himself a "beta" male. The most recent comment he made using that reference was back in 2020, almost five years ago, and he said it in what seemed to me to a "tongue-in-cheek" manner.

I still thank Ernie for his authenticity. His has as much a right to speak as he sees a situation as you do, as I do, and as anyone else does, without being insulted for it. And if your intent is to be helpful, I don't see how insults helps. You don't have to respond to that, I'm not looking to be convinced.

Anyway, thanks for your answer.
Rest well, and have a good day tomorrow.

[edina]

Bringing this thread back on topic, there's a deluge of information these days. I think the challenge is to sort out a way to not be overwhelmed with the flood of information coming at us.

For me, a part of managing that process is curation.
I've mentioned in other places that I typically use ZeroHedge as my curator of choice. They do a good job.
When I'm pressed for time, which is most days, ZH may be my only news check, ZH and most often Avalon.
Avalon serves as a great curation source because there is such a diversity of people sharing on a wide range of topics here.

I've just recently added 1440 as a curator to try, because my husband shared an article with me listed on one of their daily briefs that he gets via email. It talked about farm equipment GPS systems going haywire during recent solar storms. That's a piece of information I would have missed if he had not seen it at 1440 and it's also relevant to some of my interests. In the process I took a closer look at their daily brief and thought it might be useful for a daily check-in. It's too early to say if it will be useful as a daily curator check.

If not, then it will fall into the myriad of sources I have in my mental side pockets to check in on from time to time as my intuition guides me.

I think podcasts are becoming an important source for deep diving into specific topics, because the long-form format allows for more historical and cultural context. My personal preference for news/information gathering is reading good books. And many podcast guests have also written good books.

It's unrealistic to try to stay on top of everything. Beyond the basic curator check in, I tend to do more a process of "paying attention to what the universe/life/creative forces" brings forward into my current awareness. I tend not to deep dive in a "for entertainment", or superficial manner, I usually focus more, take notes, archive offline, follow up with research when something that stands out to me and take notes on that, archive that offline, as well.

One recent example, a very interesting podcast/video interview I watched was with Candace Owens and Scott Horton (https://www.youtube.com/live/iYlIiC8YgO4?si=JmvgH71KYRNv4Y4T). Someone close to me was adamant that I listen to that interview. At the time, I thought to myself, ughh... I don't have time for that. I feel pressed for time nearly everyday. But, I relented. And it was well worth the juggle in my schedule to make time for it.

But it didn't just stop at a casual watch of the interview. It was good enough to engage in on a more deeper level.

Candace had done an earlier interview with Dave Smith. I gather from that interview that Dave Smith had been a regular on Candace's show on the Daily Beast. Dave Smith mentioned Scott Horton, I think they are both libertarian, politically. And it's probably Dave Smith that introduced Candace to Scott.

Similar to Sarah Adams who Shawn Ryan (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124008-Sarah-Adams-aka-Superbad-in-the-Shawn-Ryan-Show-Counterterriorism-Intel...) has interviewed several times, Scott Horton is exceptionally knowledgeable about the historical context of what is happening in the Middle East. Their perspectives on the topic are very different from each other, which I like.

Scott has recently written a book, Provoked (https://www.amazon.com/Provoked-Washington-Started-Catastrophe-Ukraine/dp/1733647376/?tag=misesinsti-20), that focuses more the Ukraine/Russia arena. He seems to have similar views to what comes up in the Avalon Ukraine/Russia thread here at Avalon. He previously wrote Enough Already, Time to End the War on Terrorism (https://scotthorton.org/books/). They are on my reading list now. Along with Sarah's book about Benghazi.

Candace and Scott talked about neocons being Likud... okay, that's an interesting take. And it kinda clarifies the situation in geopolitics. So that's another tangent I will take a closer look at. And in the course of that part of the conversation Scott shared Justin Raimondo (https://original.antiwar.com/Antiwar_Staff/2019/06/27/justin-raimondo-rip-1951-2019/)'s book, Reclaiming the American Right, The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement. Evidently, the issue of the Likud party capturing various institution comes up in that book. It's another direction to look a bit deeper into.

In the Dave Smith/Candace interview, there's a mention of Sigmund Freud, Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson and Frankists. I had just read a snippet reference about Freud in another book I'm reading, The Shallows by Nicolas Carr, where Carr is pointing out Freud's early finding on what has now become neuroscience and synaptics. In fact, I pushed The Shallows off my plate to make room for the Candace Owens interviews. That odd dichotomy of Carr's comment and the comments in the Candace interview stayed with me enough that I followed up on that research the next day.

And so it goes. I don't follow one person/source or another, it's more a matter of timing and flow aligned with an inner guidance system set to my personal interests and values. I think this is probably how it works for most people. Curation with trusted sources, in my case, lightly track a wide range of topics, and deep dive as guided from within.

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis, your assumptions about my actions are inaccurate. Just so you know. Please don't use me as a way to make back-hand innuendos to further slander Ernie's character.

When I asked why you and Strat were jumping to insults it was for two reasons.
1. If this behavior was a one-off action, I would've left it be. But it's not, it's a predicable pattern.
2. Other people are reading this, and for some reason you seem unaware of how what you write when you salt what you say with insulting adjectives affects other people reading your words.
So, you're not just coddling Ernie, you are highlighting my (and Strat's) comments to Ernie (based on Ernie's publicly posted accusation that this forum is "Jew hating"), calling my words slanderous, insulting, and declaring that you (and others) are negatively affected by my words.


I genuinely don't understand why the negative slander happens.
Your opinion is that you are reading "negative slander", rather than replies to Ernie's bombastic, inflammatory accusation of "Jew haters."



I disagree with your assessment that Ernie called Avalon a Jew Hater forum. He said there are jew haters in the forum. And honestly, from the outside looking in, yes, sometimes it appears that way. Objectively speaking, it's probably good for people to have an awareness of that potential.


So, what did Ernie post, that I replied to:


"I began curating my news sources when the covid lie began. Then the 2020 election required even more pruning of sources. By then I was down to a mere handful of web sites.

Then October 7th happened.

I now watch only one news source, with two back ups for verification, that's it.

Avalon is no longer one of those.
Yes, it is the Jew Haters here." - Ernie

Well, I disagree with your assessment of what Ernie publicly published about the forum/forum members. Ernie clearly and unequivocally calls out the Avalon forum as NOT a place to "stay informed" because, "it is the Jew Haters here." You are rescuing Ernie's possible hurt feelings, not dealing with the subject matter of Ernie's accusation. In fact, deflecting it. Ernie's false statement is the subject that Strat and I responded to. You appear to be a lot more worried about Ernie's feelings being hurt than the objective truth about what Ernie is posting - repeatedly - showing that he doesn't understand that Zionism and Judaism have nothing to do with one another, and that the evils of Zionism and the Zionists being exposed is not "Jew hating."



"honestly, from the outside looking in, yes, sometimes it appears that way."

Really? So, you agree with Ernie? Maybe you should start a thread about "Jew hating" expressed on the forum. Search and find all the posts that validate your opinion. Show me I'm wrong, and that Avalon really is a "Jew Hater" forum. Please be sure to distinguish between "anti-Zionism" and "Jew hating", which is what I keep pointing out to Ernie.


I don't self-identify as a Jew hater, so it never occurred to me to be offended.

Ernie is calling anti-Zionist rhetoric "Jew hating." As I said, I've seen ZERO published "Jew hating" on this forum. It has nothing to do with self-identifying and being offended.


As I read the comments by you and Strat I wondered what Ernie had said in his comment written here in this thread that threatened the two of you to have the reaction you had. What triggered it?
Threatened? Triggered? Is this your backhanded agenda coming out? Ernie equates anti-Zionism with Jew hating, and accused the Avalon forum members of "Jew hating." That's why I responded. Is that clear enough?


You've explained that, thank you. It's a much better explanation than what Strat offered. He essentially answered a question about why you two were jumping to insults with an insult. Which made me laugh out loud at the irony of it all.

Strat's reply to Ernie also expressed his amazement that Ernie was acting/posting on the topic out-of-character, that he had always seemed more grounded, more "solid" in the past. I would guess that Strat's reply to you was because he saw you being manipulative and downplaying or even dismissing Ernie's incendiary false accusation (which further underscored Ernie's obvious conflation of anti-Zionism as "Jew hating.") But, you'll have to go to Strat for clarification as to the deeper meaning behind his comment to you.


In fact, I was quite surprised with Strat's response to Ernie. It seemed out of character for how I thought Strat usually behaves.
Again, you missed the part where Strat was comparing Ernie's current output with his past output.


Dennis, will you indulge me and share a link to the post where you showed Ernie such a measure of love and compassion, I've looked for and can't find it. You don't have to share it here. You can just PM it to me, if you will. Thank you in advance.

You looked for it? Hmmmmm, that's really strange... If you go to the forum search and type in the word "Ernie", and then put my name in the member name search option, and search for posts, it comes right up. I shouldn't do this, because it really feels like you are insinuating that I'm a liar, as well as deflecting away from the incendiary statement that Ernie actually posted, but here is the post you couldn't find in your search efforts: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116989-The-Support-Thread&p=1584978&viewfull=1#post1584978


Also, I looked for when Ernie had called himself a "beta" male. The most recent comment he made using that reference was back in 2020, almost five years ago, and he said it in what seemed to me to a "tongue-in-cheek" manner.

You miss the point. I'm scolding you for rushing in and coddling Ernie's feelings like a mommy. Ernie is a man, let him speak for himself.


I still thank Ernie for his authenticity. His has as much a right to speak as he sees a situation as you do, as I do, and as anyone else does, without being insulted for it. And if your intent it to be helpful, I don't see how insults helps. You don't have to respond to that, I'm not looking to be convinced.

Anyway, thanks for your answer.
Rest well, and have a good day tomorrow.
Authenticity? Ernie conflates anti-Zionism with "Jew hating", and your "supportive" message is to thank Ernie for his authenticity? How about a nomination for a Pulitzer Prize, too? If Netanyahu says it, it is psychopathic propaganda, but if Ernie repeats it, he should be lauded for his authenticity? Do you know the difference between flattery and a compliment? If you want to say something supportive to Ernie, that's lovely, but don't confuse that your patting him on the back after he expresses his opinion that anti-Zionism is "Jew hating" is supportive of Ernie.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I would reply but your reply is all the reply that's needed.
You've proven my point.

thanks

[edina]

Dennis, your assumptions about my actions are inaccurate. Just so you know. Please don't use me as a way to make back-hand innuendos to further slander Ernie's character.

When I asked why you and Strat were jumping to insults it was for two reasons.
1. If this behavior was a one-off action, I would've left it be. But it's not, it's a predicable pattern.
2. Other people are reading this, and for some reason you seem unaware of how what you write when you salt what you say with insulting adjectives affects other people reading your words.
So, you're not just coddling Ernie, you are highlighting my (and Strat's) comments to Ernie (based on Ernie's publicly posted accusation that this forum is "Jew hating"), calling my words slanderous, insulting, and declaring that you (and others) are negatively affected by my words.


I genuinely don't understand why the negative slander happens.
Your opinion is that you are reading "negative slander", rather than replies to Ernie's bombastic, inflammatory accusation of "Jew haters."



I disagree with your assessment that Ernie called Avalon a Jew Hater forum. He said there are jew haters in the forum. And honestly, from the outside looking in, yes, sometimes it appears that way. Objectively speaking, it's probably good for people to have an awareness of that potential.


So, what did Ernie post, that I replied to:


"I began curating my news sources when the covid lie began. Then the 2020 election required even more pruning of sources. By then I was down to a mere handful of web sites.

Then October 7th happened.

I now watch only one news source, with two back ups for verification, that's it.

Avalon is no longer one of those.
Yes, it is the Jew Haters here." - Ernie

Well, I disagree with your assessment of what Ernie publicly published about the forum/forum members. Ernie clearly and unequivocally calls out the Avalon forum as NOT a place to "stay informed" because, "it is the Jew Haters here." You are rescuing Ernie's possible hurt feelings, not dealing with the subject matter of Ernie's accusation. In fact, deflecting it. Ernie's false statement is the subject that Strat and I responded to. You appear to be a lot more worried about Ernie's feelings being hurt than the objective truth about what Ernie is posting - repeatedly - showing that he doesn't understand that Zionism and Judaism have nothing to do with one another, and that the evils of Zionism and the Zionists being exposed is not "Jew hating."



"honestly, from the outside looking in, yes, sometimes it appears that way."

Really? So, you agree with Ernie? Maybe you should start a thread about "Jew hating" expressed on the forum. Search and find all the posts that validate your opinion. Show me I'm wrong, and that Avalon really is a "Jew Hater" forum. Please be sure to distinguish between "anti-Zionism" and "Jew hating", which is what I keep pointing out to Ernie.


I don't self-identify as a Jew hater, so it never occurred to me to be offended.

Ernie is calling anti-Zionist rhetoric "Jew hating." As I said, I've seen ZERO published "Jew hating" on this forum. It has nothing to do with self-identifying and being offended.


As I read the comments by you and Strat I wondered what Ernie had said in his comment written here in this thread that threatened the two of you to have the reaction you had. What triggered it?
Threatened? Triggered? Is this your backhanded agenda coming out? Ernie equates anti-Zionism with Jew hating, and accused the Avalon forum members of "Jew hating." That's why I responded. Is that clear enough?


You've explained that, thank you. It's a much better explanation than what Strat offered. He essentially answered a question about why you two were jumping to insults with an insult. Which made me laugh out loud at the irony of it all.

Strat's reply to Ernie also expressed his amazement that Ernie was acting/posting on the topic out-of-character, that he had always seemed more grounded, more "solid" in the past. I would guess that Strat's reply to you was because he saw you being manipulative and downplaying or even dismissing Ernie's incendiary false accusation (which further underscored Ernie's obvious conflation of anti-Zionism as "Jew hating.") But, you'll have to go to Strat for clarification as to the deeper meaning behind his comment to you.


In fact, I was quite surprised with Strat's response to Ernie. It seemed out of character for how I thought Strat usually behaves.
Again, you missed the part where Strat was comparing Ernie's current output with his past output.


Dennis, will you indulge me and share a link to the post where you showed Ernie such a measure of love and compassion, I've looked for and can't find it. You don't have to share it here. You can just PM it to me, if you will. Thank you in advance.

You looked for it? Hmmmmm, that's really strange... If you go to the forum search and type in the word "Ernie", and then put my name in the member name search option, and search for posts, it comes right up. I shouldn't do this, because it really feels like you are insinuating that I'm a liar, as well as deflecting away from the incendiary statement that Ernie actually posted, but here is the post you couldn't find in your search efforts: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116989-The-Support-Thread&p=1584978&viewfull=1#post1584978


Also, I looked for when Ernie had called himself a "beta" male. The most recent comment he made using that reference was back in 2020, almost five years ago, and he said it in what seemed to me to a "tongue-in-cheek" manner.

You miss the point. I'm scolding you for rushing in and coddling Ernie's feelings like a mommy. Ernie is a man, let him speak for himself.


I still thank Ernie for his authenticity. His has as much a right to speak as he sees a situation as you do, as I do, and as anyone else does, without being insulted for it. And if your intent it to be helpful, I don't see how insults helps. You don't have to respond to that, I'm not looking to be convinced.

Anyway, thanks for your answer.
Rest well, and have a good day tomorrow.
Authenticity? Ernie conflates anti-Zionism with "Jew hating", and your "supportive" message is to thank Ernie for his authenticity? How about a nomination for a Pulitzer Prize, too? If Netanyahu says it, it is psychopathic propaganda, but if Ernie repeats it, he should be lauded for his authenticity? Do you know the difference between flattery and a compliment? If you want to say something supportive to Ernie, that's lovely, but don't confuse that your patting him on the back after he expresses his opinion that anti-Zionism is "Jew hating" is supportive of Ernie.

Just acknowledging to you that I've read you're post. I disagree with what you claim my intentions are versus what I actually know for myself. And again, the assumptions you make in the process, both to my intentions, and to the effect of what I wrote.

I'm not sure sometimes, that you actually pay attention to what you say, but, I won't belabor the point. Life is short...

Thanks for the link (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116989-The-Support-Thread&p=1584978&viewfull=1#post1584978), I had no idea what you were referring to, and I did try to find it. It was over a year ago, I thought, from what you said, that it was more recent. I didn't look that far back. I think you were reading too much in my request for it.

Dennis, I've already moved on (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123975-How-do-you-stay-informed-Which-news-outlets-do-you-read&p=1647970&viewfull=1#post1647970)... good day to you.

Note Added 11:13: I didn't see Ernie's post just above this one until after I had posted mine. My post is not related to Ernie's. Dennis's response was predictable. And I had already moved on...

[Vicus]

To Know

If something define me is that always wanted to know the "WHY" from everything,to not sound pedantic you can called curiosity too...
To learn the "how" works is learning to know the"why"intentions... and in the dualism world we live on there are only 2... for Good or NOT...

First time in Internet I had devoured information about EVERYTHING I got my fingers on..., in every homepage about whatever topic, they have their"favorite" list too from other homepages... and on and on

Then come the "selection" from them depend your interest, they approach , intent, truthfulness, accuracy,reliability,honesty...

After a while you discern what "new" or different topic is still worth your time ...

I m not fanatic about anything...just a distant observer ...

By now my best approach begin with "sampler" homepages...they sample various topics from different sources and I peak what is interesting for me at that moment...like:

https://rense.com/?En

https://www.sott.net/

and Avalon (many different topics)

For specific topics I got another list (in paper ,not in my browser...) I surf internet as "tourist"modus (NEVER as ADMIN) and "clean" my History,password given, directions,payments ,etc every time I close my browser... :sherlock:

That is.

[Dennis Leahy]

I would reply but your reply is all the reply that's needed.
You've proven my point.

thanks
No Ernie, you've proven my point: that you are conflating anti-Zionist rhetoric for "Jew Hating", just like Netanyahu and AIPAC does. If you want to prove your point, (and show that you understand the difference between Zionism and Judaism), you'll need to actually back up your accusation. I suggest you get together with edina, who also states that she believes she sees "Jew Hating" posts at Avalon.

[Strat]

This will be my last post in here regarding this topic. I used to really like Ernie, we would PM each other really personal stuff, I really had a lot of respect for him. We were trying to lean on each other and help each other. I had no idea he was racist or I never would've confided in him. Sounds corny but it felt like a stab in the back.


Mr. Smith:
I am afraid of the Arabs as a group, that is why.

They are our natural enemies. We have bad blood going back millennia. If the Arabs can commit an act of pure evil when they are on the side of right, what can they do when they are not? They cannot be trusted.

I also do not want to live in a caliphate under Sharia law, or worse, be beheaded because I am an apostate. I do not think most understand what is in store for us Christians in the years to come.

All of our lands have been infiltrated and inundated by foreigners who hate us. We suddenly have to defend having white skin - in our white nations! We have to listen to radicals overturn our every cherished tradition.

These foreigners do not play by our rules. No. They come here and leapfrog over established citizens by breaking the laws of our land. They buy their licenses we have to earn without shame. The same licenses that I have been denied!

And then I have to read of the governments concern for POC, People of Color. A direct insult to me personally and to the majority of white-skinned Canadians.

The radicals have radicalized me. I am truly and deeply concerned for the welfare of the white-skinned peoples of the world.

So I don't like the nit-picking. That this war is so special and so obviously wrong. I won't go into the many other wars where no one said more than a peep. They were just as wrong. Israel is not the only nation with a questionable past.
But the dirty Jews and their gestation of the three Abrahamic religions and their stranglehold on business and banking must be evil and must be resisted.

AT LEAST THEY ARE WHITE.

Let this sort of sentiment continue and see where the white race ends up in twenty years...sometimes, who is in the wrong is not the most pressing issue.

My girlfriend is Arab and when I'm better off financially I'm going to propose to her. Hopefully next year. So I take this personally. If I have kids with her then he's saying my wife and kids are his enemy. Whoever wants to defend this can eat a big bag of the stinkiest of wieners.

And saying me insulting someone is a predictable pattern is silly. I only push back, I don't push first. I'm a passionate person but I don't really get mad at internet people. To anyone reading this I promise if you just speak to me like a normal person I'll be nice to you. You don't have to agree with me just don't be mean to me and I will respect you. Don't be scared of getting wet if you want to swim in the sea of insults. I'm not scared. I'll play for a bit then stop because I'm not going to do a back and forth for long. I try to grow as a person and messing with internet people doesn't help this goal, it does the opposite.

If you think I'm crossing the line then report my post. You don't need cranky furrow brows and your hallway monitor belt. As much as I don't like Ernie I have no problem pointing out that Ernie is a real man, he's not scared of me. If you've read his posts over the years you know he's not someone to **** with. So quit coddling him.

Thank you mods for letting this play out. I won't post in here again about this topic or anything off topic. And for what it's worth I'm not mad at Edina and while I don't like Ernie I'm not mad at him, I'm just disappointed. I think in part of 1 he's ignorant and 2 he's had hard things to deal with (which I won't share). When these two combine sometimes the person becomes hateful, and from there weird **** happens. In Ernie's case, racism. If you read up or watch anything about reformed racists there seems to be a consistency that it is rooted in raw hatred because it doesn't logically add up. It's just ignorance and hatred.

Thanks again mods, and again I won't post anything off topic here even if this post is replied to. Much love everyone, take care. :handshake:

[edina]

This will be my last post in here regarding this topic. I used to really like Ernie, we would PM each other really personal stuff, I really had a lot of respect for him. We were trying to lean on each other and help each other. I had no idea he was racist or I never would've confided in him. Sounds corny but it felt like a stab in the back.


Mr. Smith:
I am afraid of the Arabs as a group, that is why.

They are our natural enemies. We have bad blood going back millennia. If the Arabs can commit an act of pure evil when they are on the side of right, what can they do when they are not? They cannot be trusted.

I also do not want to live in a caliphate under Sharia law, or worse, be beheaded because I am an apostate. I do not think most understand what is in store for us Christians in the years to come.

All of our lands have been infiltrated and inundated by foreigners who hate us. We suddenly have to defend having white skin - in our white nations! We have to listen to radicals overturn our every cherished tradition.

These foreigners do not play by our rules. No. They come here and leapfrog over established citizens by breaking the laws of our land. They buy their licenses we have to earn without shame. The same licenses that I have been denied!

And then I have to read of the governments concern for POC, People of Color. A direct insult to me personally and to the majority of white-skinned Canadians.

The radicals have radicalized me. I am truly and deeply concerned for the welfare of the white-skinned peoples of the world.

So I don't like the nit-picking. That this war is so special and so obviously wrong. I won't go into the many other wars where no one said more than a peep. They were just as wrong. Israel is not the only nation with a questionable past.
But the dirty Jews and their gestation of the three Abrahamic religions and their stranglehold on business and banking must be evil and must be resisted.

AT LEAST THEY ARE WHITE.

Let this sort of sentiment continue and see where the white race ends up in twenty years...sometimes, who is in the wrong is not the most pressing issue.

My girlfriend is Arab and when I'm better off financially I'm going to propose to her. Hopefully next year. So I take this personally. If I have kids with her then he's saying my wife and kids are his enemy. Whoever wants to defend this can eat a big bag of the stinkiest of wieners.

And saying me insulting someone is a predictable pattern is silly. I only push back, I don't push first. I'm a passionate person but I don't really get mad at internet people. To anyone reading this I promise if you just speak to me like a normal person I'll be nice to you. You don't have to agree with me just don't be mean to me and I will respect you. Don't be scared of getting wet if you want to swim in the sea of insults. I'm not scared. I'll play for a bit then stop because I'm not going to do a back and forth for long. I try to grow as a person and messing with internet people doesn't help this goal, it does the opposite.

If you think I'm crossing the line then report my post. You don't need cranky furrow brows and your hallway monitor belt. As much as I don't like Ernie I have no problem pointing out that Ernie is a real man, he's not scared of me. If you've read his posts over the years you know he's not someone to **** with. So quit coddling him.

Thank you mods for letting this play out. I won't post in here again about this topic or anything off topic. And for what it's worth I'm not mad at Edina and while I don't like Ernie I'm not mad at him, I'm just disappointed. I think in part of 1 he's ignorant and 2 he's had hard things to deal with (which I won't share). When these two combine sometimes the person becomes hateful, and from there weird **** happens. In Ernie's case, racism. If you read up or watch anything about reformed racists there seems to be a consistency that it is rooted in raw hatred because it doesn't logically add up. It's just ignorance and hatred.

Thanks again mods, and again I won't post anything off topic here even if this post is replied to. Much love everyone, take care. :handshake:

Thank you Strat, context helps. :)

Not everyone follows everything going on in the forum.

And speaking my own mind, from my own position does not constitute coddling another person.
That's a Dennis conflation.

Note Added 1208: On the matter of what Ernie wrote back in Feb 2024, history hasn't played itself out yet. People will probably be changing their minds back and forth a lot in the coming years.

Strat, best wishes to you and your girlfriend. May you enjoy a beautiful life together.

[ThePythonicCow]

I've just recently added 1440

That be here, I presume

1440 (https://join1440.com/)

[Tintin]

I would reply but your reply is all the reply that's needed.
You've proven my point.

thanks
No Ernie, you've proven my point: that you are conflating anti-Zionist rhetoric for "Jew Hating", just like Netanyahu and AIPAC does. If you want to prove your point, (and show that you understand the difference between Zionism and Judaism), you'll need to actually back up your accusation. I suggest you get together with edina, who also states that she believes she sees "Jew Hating" posts at Avalon.

From a Tom London, and this (https://x.com/TomLondon6/status/1870565920038679039) is only being posted here by me as an example, an important one, and not intended to inflame anyone, or anything :flower:

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"I’m a 63 year old British Jew.
Shamefully, until my 50s, I was an unreflective “liberal” Zionist. That was how I was brought up

BUT then I realised (what should have been obvious) that Zionism is an indefensible racist ideology. Jews are given more rights than non-Jews

Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed & murdered by the army & institutions of the State of Israel for decades

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Source: https://x.com/TomLondon6/status/1870565920038679039

1870565920038679039

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[Tintin]

I've just recently added 1440

That be here, I presume

1440 (https://join1440.com/)


That looks like a very good resource: thanks, both, for highlighting it :thumbsup:

[WhiteFeather]

I don't watch the news. My current events pops all over on notifications. Many people are done with the lamestream news.

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I don't watch the news. My current events pops all over on notifications. Most people are done with the Lamestream news.

[Applesprig]

Historically, through millenia, Arabs and Jews have lived together peacefully. Division has been formented by the creation of ""fundamentalists"only recently and we know who these actors are , the war mongers - these forces came into action after 9/11 . We have been socially engineered to " hate" the " other", white versus people of colour, left versus right, woke versus conservatives etc etc etc.. George Sorus and Co flooded Europe with migrants, they created the wars which led to desperate refugees seeking safety. WE ARE BEING PLAYED by evil players. A happy united humanity is their biggest nightmare.
We have to be honest and ask ourselves the question "which group of people do the Cabal listen to",
Who are they ? I do fear their evil intentions and pray that we awaken to our divinity before it is too late.
I have no answer to the above question, we have info overload. Ultimately one has to listen to your own assessment without being influenced by fear. Fear is the source of confusion.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Racist means nothing at all, or everything under the sun - it has no definition.

My best friend of all time was a Sunni Muslim, Farouk Ahlibai - he was murdered a few years back during Covid so I could not stay with him while he passed.

So, can I still be racist? You bet I can - or not.

[edina]

Racist means nothing at all, or everything under the sun - it has no definition.

My best friend of all time was a Sunni Muslim, Farouk Ahlibai - he was murdered a few years back during Covid so I could not stay with him while he passed.

So, can I still be racist? You bet I can - or not.

You know, many people would not know the difference between a Sunni Muslim, and a Shia Muslim. The culture of the Middle East is complicated, especially to most Americans.

I'm sorry for your loss, Ernie.

[Libico]

I mainly read but don't post much - but I guess I'll add my 0.02 here.


I 100% think Oct 7th was a false flag and allowed to happen to justify the massive assault on Gaza, and likely the wider region - I've posted on this before and my opinion hasn't changed.

I know Zionist influence is out of control. However, I don't believe that the people in control are even Jewish (I'm sure some are, but many many more are just useful idiots) but rather use Israel/Jews as a pawn for the perpetual East vs West narrative as a means of control and keeping the world at conflict

I know from living in Israel that Israelis (for the most part) see themselves as being the perpetual victim and are fed a narrative that we are virtuous from government and media, leading to a lot of disinformation / misinformation disseminated to the public so when something unflattering comes up it's oftentimes dismissed / labeled as anti-semitic. There is some self-reflection but it's very surface level... once it goes deep to expose some difficult truths it's quickly attacked or dismissed

I do believe that Israel is held to a much higher standard than the rest of the world so by default they can do no right. This is probably intentional to further reinforce the notion that everyone is anti-semitic and keep that E vs W dichotomy going but it's very tiring. I've seen many posts on Project Avalon that showcase this as well where I used to see a more balanced view, but really it's everywhere. This is not to say that everything Israel does should be deflected because somewhere, someone is doing something worse, but the hypocrisy is utterly ridiculous sometimes.

While I do think what is happening in Gaza is horrific and I do think there have been actions that can be viewed as genocidal (the expose on the AI targeting system by +972 is particularly damning https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/), I think calling this a genocide cheapens the word and yet again disservices the Palestinian people. If you believe Hamas' numbers, taking into consideration that they are literally using the entire population as human shields with no bomb shelters while they are below ground, the fighter to civilian death ratio doesn't show this to be a genocide. I think people project their own western values onto radical Islamists and can't seem to understand that they revel in death which would lead any rational person to understand that a high civilian death count is beneficial and encouraged. While I've had a fairly bleak outlook on the direction of the world lately, I have somewhat reserved hope that this may be the catalyst to toppling Hamas and having a moderate government take its place (people like Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib give me hope).

Regarding the above, yes there is genocidal rhetoric coming from ministers and some of the national religious sects (some of which serve in the army and in Gaza) but this is not what the vast majority of Israelis want. I would say however, that the divisions and hope for any sort of peace has never been farther between the two societies so sympathy is at an all time low (very easy when mainstream Israeli media doesn't report much on civilian deaths and has endless segments on our soldiers and their families and their hardships).


And to keep this somewhat on topic, news sources I currently view:
Corbett Report
Zerohedge
Ynetnews (very biased pro-Israel/Zionist, so certainly not something I consider a source of truth)
Al-Jazeera (the opposite end of that spectrum)
Various podcasters and debates

[Ernie Nemeth]

Racist means nothing at all, or everything under the sun - it has no definition.

My best friend of all time was a Sunni Muslim, Farouk Ahlibai - he was murdered a few years back during Covid so I could not stay with him while he passed.

So, can I still be racist? You bet I can - or not.

You know, many people would not know the difference between a Sunni Muslim, and a Shia Muslim. The culture of the Middle East is complicated, especially to most Americans.

I'm sorry for your loss, Ernie.




Absolutely true about the two major factions of Islam. Most do not know what the difference is: which of two women has the deepest claim to the prophet. That's it. All the in-fighting in the middle east is/was/will be because of this rift about which woman has the best claim to the prophet.

Maybe this is the reason for their disregard for their woman and how they are treated like second-class citizens.

[grapevine]

It's hard to stay informed. I've never found a news outlet that I totally trust, the bias is always so strong that it's a turnoff. I'm somewhat hypersensitive to this because I have a scientist's brain. I like to employ Sagan's "Bologna Detection Kit (https://www.themarginalian.org/2014/01/03/baloney-detection-kit-carl-sagan/)" when checking the news and that cuts right through a lot of bull****. At the same time it leaves basically all forms of media useless. So it's really hard to strike the right balance.

With the internet, any random Joe can post whatever they want on Twitter, Telegram, Reddit, etc. I call bull****. With major traditional outlets (Legacy Media, etc) they are always twisting facts. I call bull****. Some sites are flat out owned by the country they are based in. I call bull****.

With so much bull****, the news really stinks! It's hard to stay informed. What's a fella to do?

So for the time being I read as much of it as I can, from all sources listed above. Read it all and try to find the balance somewhere in the middle.

What do you do?
:coffee:

First I come to Project Avalon; it's surprising how much changes while you're asleep and there's a good overview of what's going on in the world, not just the UK.

I also check in with mainstrem news a couple of times day to see what they're pushing; BBC or GBNews. And then I look at my subs on You Tube. The Duran/Alexander Mercouris is top of the list. Since the war/s in Ukraine and Middle East, reporting has been solely about them, but before then The Duran reported on current affairs as a whole and gave a good, balanced/unsensational view, unlike Redacted for instance. They also have some well informed guests, like Brian Berletic, Alastair Cook and, less often now, Scott Ritter, who is showing signs of stress imo (unsurprisingly perhaps).

[norman]

Scott Ritter, who is showing signs of stress imo (unsurprisingly perhaps).

More than a little alarmingly, for me, I watched Trump's full speech on 22nd Dec' (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120811-The-2024-US-POTUS-Election-and-now-the-aftermath&p=1648560&viewfull=1#post1648560). When he began to speak he sounded and looked very tired and with much less of his usual mojo. He improved a bit towards the end but still not the old Trump.

[shaberon]

Why is important to keep up with "current affairs"



I would rather live that way, but, everything is tied together.

If my country focused on itself, none of this would be happening, but it wants to be the dictator of the world. Therefor, I prefer to arm myself with knowledge, and I believe I know things a little differently because I use almost none of the sources being posted here. That's intricate.

Concerning the Jews, it is much simpler. The whole religion is based on "destroying others", which is a freak of nature with no equivalents. You don't need to study strange twists on it--it is the very foundation and whole meaning.

Why am I going to lift a finger to defend the supremacists?

That's all it is, is a genocide, not containing any truth.


So, yes, we all turn to that which reinforces the way we think, and certainly everything I think is born out in screaming detail by Ukraine and Israel, and yet some other kind of information is supposed to help "solve" this?

It is rather interesting that some 90% of the whole forum's points are actually the tenets of the Iranian government. That's who currently is the best representative for you all.

I posted that as news. I didn't get it from an American source. In the words of Walter Cronkite, "That's how it is".