Speaking to God -- My search for God...

[East Sun]

This is specifically for Christians>>

I pray to God, I speak to God, does He respond? Maybe, in some way that I don't comprehend. What would be the purpose, if God knows what I do or don't understand?

Why would God not communicate with us if we asked him to? Or why would Jesus not communicate with us if we asked him to, all our lives.
Something seems amiss, somewhere.

We are told by religious people to pray to God and that He will hear our prayers. Maybe He does or maybe He does not. How are we to know?
We don't know anything for definite.

In the Lord's Prayer we say, "Lead us not into temptation." Why would we ask Him to not lead us into temptation? Is there a possibility that He would lead us into temptation? And then we say, "But deliver us from evil." That part is understandable.

At the begining of the prayer we say, "Your kingdom come" It has not come yet. We also say, "Your will be done on Earth, as it is in Heaven."
As far as I know, God's will has not been done on Earth "by many people."

If anyone knows how to interpret the words from the original to English
I would like to hear/read it, or learn where to find it. Thanks!

[Heart to heart]

Dear East Sun
In reply to your query. Some time ago I came across this translation of The Lord's Prayer that I understand to be from the original Aramaic. I find it much more in tune with my thinking.

“O Cosmic brother of all radiance and vibration, soften the ground of our being and carve out a space within us where your presence can abide.

Fill us with your creativity so that we may be empowered to bear the fruit of your mission.

Let each of our actions bear fruit in accordance with our desire.

Endow us with the wisdom to produce and share what each being needs to grow and flourish.

Untie the tangled threads of destiny that bind us as we release others from the entanglement of past mistakes.

Do not let us be seduced by that which would divert us from our true purpose, but illuminate the opportunities of the present moment.

For you are the ground and the fruitful vision.

The birth, the power and the fulfilment, as all is gathered and made whole once again.

And so it is.

[East Sun]

Thanks for your reply, Heart to heart.

It was late in my life that I realized that there could be very inaccurate translations in the Bible.
Better late than never!

I like your version a lot better.

[Heart to heart]

East Sun
I have just realised I left out the last line so will edit and add
♥️

[Mike Gorman]

This is a little uncanny, I was meditating on the Lord's Prayer myself recently, I tend to recite it aloud in my bed each night, although I am a religious agnostic in many ways I was raised as a Catholic and old habits, and all that!
Aldous Huxley had a few things to say about this 'don't lead us into temptation' part, and yes I like that translation from the Aramaic Heart-to heart.
Here is a pdf of The Doors of Perception from Aldous, where he talks about this leading into temptation-which is more of a hopeless cry of imploring than an actual suggestion that God would casually lead you astray, IMO! https://maps.org/images/pdf/books/HuxleyA1954TheDoorsOfPerception.pdf
The older I get the more I learn how utterly strange this universe is, but somehow I think we as children of the universe matter in some way: I sense there is an abiding presence that cares about us...call me sentimental if you like.

[ulli]

God is the highest consciousness imaginable, so directing our intent to that one point, will most certainly bring positive results.
The opposite direction, away from Creator, will also bring results, but more of the destructive kind.

[Ernie Nemeth]

God is not a person or an entity as we understand such things.

God is totality, of which we are a part.

The idea that God cares is an anthropomorphic transference of what we would consider an obvious fact. But is it?


God does not need to care because that is a linear consideration assumed by time-limited beings. God is totality - what God wants, is what is. There is nothing to care about when you are everything.


When you are totality, there is nothing that you are not.


You said, paraphrased, that you are not sure God's will has been done. I assure you it has. And always will.

Instead of trying to understand God, which is impossible, try to understand why you do not do God's will for you. That is far more pertinent, and can be understood.
You, we, are the problem, not God.


Our father, who are't in Heaven - where we are not
Hallowed be thy name - at least we know it should be holy
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done - so God's kingdom is not yet here
On Earth, as it is in heaven - hard to do since there is no physicality in truth
Give us this day our daily bread - keep us alive and separate from your truth
And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive others - since we don't, they don't
Lead us not into temptation, and deliver us from evil - there is an opposing force to God's will

For the Kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and forever.
What can that opposing force be then? An illusion?

Or us?

We are the problem, not God.

[thepainterdoug]

I too recite the Our Father, every morning in the shower. It takes practice for me to not say it as a non conscious mesmerizing group of words I was raised to memorize. I often say each line and think, repeat and think again, do I know what I am saying and what this mean?

The most perplexing line for me is " thy will be done , on earth as it is in heaven. " will? as in ones will ? . or as , will to come? I ask this often.

I have cought the littlest of miracles recently, almost passing me by. This happens when I am present to the God concept. I believe they are little nudges, but we rarely get a big obvious thing.

my Miracle; as I was watching a video on my laptop, , I was also reading a text that came to my phone.

At the EXACT MOMENT I read the words from the email, " Wells Fargo" , the interview said the words Wells Fargo. What are the chances? Was it a monumental revelation? NO, but an affirmation in the grand awareness of all.

[rgray222]

I feel as though I am a very spiritual person, yet I struggle every day with religion. I feel that I am a religious person yet I struggle every day with organized religion. I feel that organized religion is a wonderful thing yet many churches have destroyed that feeling of safety and holiness. I have never quite figured out how to mesh spirituality with religion. I don't believe that they can be severed. I have to admit that I am a bit enviable of those who have made such a trusting leap of faith to have put God into their lives so confidently and so constantly. I knew from an early age that Religion would be a struggle but I thought by now I would have at least the basics sorted out.

For the vast majority of things in my life, I have always felt the journey is important and not necessarily the destination. I feel the exact opposite when it comes to religion, it is the destination that is critical and not the journey. I guess some people are capable of getting there quicker than others. The one thing I am certain of is that the Creator, God and Religion are critical to moving beyond the human experience.

[truthseek]

Happy New Year Everyone!

My two cents here is that it is extremely important for us to realize that each of us carries that God spark within ourselves. It is really a matter of extinguishing the doubts and chatter that our brains are programmed to believe. (finding the silence within...)

The mainstream "authorities" are trying very hard to program people to look for their saviour and answers they look for outside of themselves. One becomes very susceptible to fear and influence that way.

I never grew up with any religious affiliation.

From my own personal real experience, as a very young boy forced to deal with lower vibration beings, bad spirits, etc., I was very fortunate to have a guide at the time who shielded me but encouraged me to repeat the lord's prayer over and over (in Dutch at that time). It really worked very well.

After a lot of screaming, cursing and taking on images of authority -- including faces like my parents -- by these archons, after only a few moments they were powerless and would simply vanish. This was a life changing event for me. I was around 5 years old. I never had bad dreams from that day forward.

I realize now, my guide the being of light did not make them disappear. All he did was encourage me to go on praying and showed me that power was within me.

The lords prayer I think is a very powerful tool which helps one "tune in" to the higher vibrations. No doubt, other cultures have their own powerful prayers.

These thoughts and discussions are very important during our consciousness shift we all are witnessing as there are a lot of lower entities floating around creating chaos trying to interfere with our self realization. They have always been around (perhaps a little more today, lol) and as we are waking up we are noticing them more...

I'm glad you started the topic!

Namaste!

[East Sun]

I do the same thing, Mike. When I can't sleep I go over the words of the Lord's prayer and analyze them. I was raised Catholic but was always a
searcher, studied Buddhism but eventually went away from that but respect it neverthtless.

It's impossible to understand what God is in relation to us. I would like definite direction but know I will probably never get that in this lifetime.
Maybe in a future incarnation when we are more evolved.

[East Sun]

Doug, I have had things pop up on my computer as if something was reading my mind. It might be an advertisement
and I know that advertisers on the computer know what you have checked out recently and hit you with that same thing.

[East Sun]

Ernie,

I really believe that God's will has not been done. Sorry to dissagree with you. There may be "fallen angels" at play here or some other reason but
that is my belief.

I/We do not know what it is like in Heaven but hope that God can eventually make it the same as in Heaven. Even as I say that I can't imagine Earth
being like Heaven.

[East Sun]

rgrey222

I feel that all religions have fallen short of giving us, humanity, the essence of spirituality.

What could they have given us, Spirituality without Religion? Maybe or maybe not?

[Jaak]

Sorry for responding , im not christian .
You talk about spirituality but does bible explain what is spirit or what is soul and what is their difference ?
¨I/We do not know what it is like in Heaven but hope that God can eventually make it the same as in Heaven. Even as I say that I can't imagine Earth
being like Heaven.¨
How do you imagine heaven to be like ?
Bible is quite specific about both heaven and hell , not that i believe any of those explanations.
Heaven is full of gold and gems , hell has alot of sulfur and fire and high temperature... But all those things are very physical ones , check periodic table if you dont believe me. Temperature is a property of physical things (rate of vibration of atoms/molecules) while fire is when something reacts with oxygen (usually in high temperature). So are heaven and hell materialistic places ? If one manages to obtain alot of gold and gems they could build a heaven that is described in bible ?
As an spiritual person why would i aspire to end up in the heaven as bible describes it ? To look at gold and gems for eternity ? This almost sounds like another form of hell for me ...

You wish to speak to god and jesus ... Why ? Selfish reasons ? Should they provide you some answers ? Give winning lottery numbers for next week ? Maybe its your purpose to figure out the answers and after you do then there aint much you wish to ask from them ... The more you learn , the more you grow . No short path to that , by learning and experiencing things will come that wisdom. Might take alot of incarnations which you seem to believe in but i thought christians dont believe in it ? According to christianity you got one chance and after that its either heaven or eternal suffering ? God that comes up with that kind of system seems rather cruel than merciful and loving one ..

Can people who misunderstand things get into heaven ? How is your level of understanding of things ? I think we all have room for improvement .

It's impossible to understand what God is in relation to us. I would like definite direction but know I will probably never get that in this lifetime.
Keep on seeking and learning and you might find it .
I suggest to read this book , wont give you all the answers you seek but might bring you closer to them
https://becomingborealis.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/THE_MESSAGE_OF_THE_DIVINE_ILIAD-Vol.1_1.pdf

[thepainterdoug]

EastSun

yes i know that, but this wasnt that at all. It was a podcast on the computer having nothing to do with wells fargo and the speaker happen to say he was going to down the street to the" wells fargo" as I was reading an unrelated text on my phone the exact words at the exact time , "wells fargo" guess you had to be there.

[East Sun]

Jaak
Thank you for responding.

I think that I addressed your questions in my answers to others.
I never read anything about Heaven being like gold and gems.

I don't think in terms of asking God or Jesus for material things.

[East Sun]

EastSu.

yes i know that, but this wasnt that at all. It was a podcast on the computer having nothing to do with wells fargo and the speaker happen to say he was going to down the street to the" wells fargo" as I was reading an unrelated text on my phone the exact words at the exact time , "wells fargo" guess you had to be there.

Sorry if I misunderstood--That was a real coincidence of the uncanny kind.

[bobme]

Thank you,Jaak, and all.

I am not religious either, so I am sorry if I offend anyone here for my response.

But in my own understanding of creation, the god, must be two gods for creation to even exist.

One of which is the masculine, and the other, the feminine. otherwise, creation cannot exist.

How are we born?

Is it not a combination of both masculine, and feminine, in in the end?

So without your mother or father, You would not exist.

Co-creators, not one.

[Flash]

Thank you,Jaak, and all.

I am not religious either, so I am sorry if I offend anyone here for my response.

But in my own understanding of creation, the god, must be two gods for creation to even exist.

One of which is the masculine, and the other, the feminine. otherwise, creation cannot exist.

How are we born?

Is it not a combination of both masculine, and feminine, in in the end?

So without your mother or father, You would not exist.

Co-creators, not one.

You seem to be aiming too low, in a way of speaking - since there are no words for such. Polarities are useful for matter creation, maybe up to many dimensions or levels. They are useful for creating, butnot THE creator. Im my views, look at a much different and gigher energetic all encompassing level.

[arjunaloka_official]

EastSun

yes i know that, but this wasnt that at all. It was a podcast on the computer having nothing to do with wells fargo and the speaker happen to say he was going to down the street to the" wells fargo" as I was reading an unrelated text on my phone the exact words at the exact time , "wells fargo" guess you had to be there.

To me, this is a synchronicity, so I would try to figure out the meaning behind it. Could be as simple as "review your investments" or something more indirect, such as "talk to your friend X who worked at Wells Fargo" or anything else you associate with "Wells Fargo."

[arjunaloka_official]

Thank you,Jaak, and all.

I am not religious either, so I am sorry if I offend anyone here for my response.

But in my own understanding of creation, the god, must be two gods for creation to even exist.

One of which is the masculine, and the other, the feminine. otherwise, creation cannot exist.

How are we born?

Is it not a combination of both masculine, and feminine, in in the end?

So without your mother or father, You would not exist.

Co-creators, not one.

You seem to be aiming too low, in a way of speaking - since there are no words for such. Polarities are useful for matter creation, maybe up to many dimensions or levels. They are useful for creating, butnot THE creator. Im my views, look at a much different and gigher energetic all encompassing level.

Christianity uses the concept of the Trinity - the Father (representing the will), the Son (the result of the will, i.e., the creation) and the Holy Spirit (linking Father and Son).

[arjunaloka_official]

It's impossible to understand what God is in relation to us.

Well, according to Jesus God is "the Father", i.e., the one who created us. You can imagine a programmer, who created a computer world with all beings in it. Or a programmer who created a programming language, which happens to be "Karma". You can use this programming language to create whatever you want. The formlua is more or less: [your input (based on your free will) * the size of your belief (of what is possible, the "mustard seed")] - Divine grace = output.

[Rosencross]

Sorry that I haven't been around here posting for awhile but I did a long post awhile ago on Christ within but it disappeared so I thought I could be full of it,so have just been reading the amazing posts everyday. I just thought I would throw this in for variety.

This is the Lords prayer Rudolf Steiner used every day.

Father, you who were, are, and will be in our inmost being,
May your name be glorified and praised in us.
May your kingdom grow in our deeds and inmost lives.
May we perform your will as you, Father, lay it down in our inmost being.
You give us spiritual nourishment, the bread of life, superabundantly in all the changing conditions of our lives.
Let our mercy toward others make up for the sins done to our being.
You do not allow the tempter to work in us beyond the capacity of our strength.
For no temptation can live in your being, Father,
and the tempter is only appearance and delusion, from which you lead us, Father, through the light of knowledge.
May your power and glory work in us through all periods and ages of time.
Amen

[arjunaloka_official]

My two cents here is that it is extremely important for us to realize that each of us carries that God spark within ourselves. It is really a matter of extinguishing the doubts and chatter that our brains are programmed to believe. (finding the silence within...)

The mainstream "authorities" are trying very hard to program people to look for their saviour and answers they look for outside of themselves. One becomes very susceptible to fear and influence that way.



I think you´re right - and even the Lord´s prayer (which I generally endorse) contains a lot of passive voice, even the above Aramaic translation. to play the devil´s advocate:


Our Father in heaven,fine
hallowed be your name,
passive voice - who should do that? us.
your kingdom come, passive voice - we should ensure the coming of this kingdom.
your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. passive voice - we need to do that will, as best as we can at least. "tie your camel first then put your trust in Allah".
Give us today our daily bread. passive voice - the Lord gave most of us two legs, two arms, and a brain. kindly use all these presents, before asking for bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. believe it or not, but I am actually happy with this one. forgiving is very important.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. this one is too complex to comment on in a one liner
For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.fine


I recommend activity - one should try to help oneself, and only then ask God for additional help.
That being said, the Lord´s prayer is still a very good choice, as is the Rosary. Praying is an important activitiy to align the mind, using your arms and legs to help yourself is also an important activity, to align the body.

[Flash]

Thank you,Jaak, and all.

I am not religious either, so I am sorry if I offend anyone here for my response.

But in my own understanding of creation, the god, must be two gods for creation to even exist.

One of which is the masculine, and the other, the feminine. otherwise, creation cannot exist.

How are we born?

Is it not a combination of both masculine, and feminine, in in the end?

So without your mother or father, You would not exist.

Co-creators, not one.

You seem to be aiming too low, in a way of speaking - since there are no words for such. Polarities are useful for matter creation, maybe up to many dimensions or levels. They are useful for creating, butnot THE creator. Im my views, look at a much different and gigher energetic all encompassing level.

Christianity uses the concept of the Trinity - the Father (representing the will), the Son (the result of the will, i.e., the creation) and the Holy Spirit (linking Father and Son).

I have been raised catholic, I know about the triniti concept that you have elsewhere too. Yourcomment however shows me that you have not comprehended mine. But truly, itdoes not matter, I will leave it at that. It is experential so, for those who experienced not even differently than the trinity, just more in depth.

[Tintin]

This is specifically for Christians>>

I pray to God, I speak to God, does He respond? Maybe, in some way that I don't comprehend. What would be the purpose, if God knows what I do or don't understand?

Why would God not communicate with us if we asked him to? Or why would Jesus not communicate with us if we asked him to, all our lives.
Something seems amiss, somewhere.

We are told by religious people to pray to God and that He will hear our prayers. Maybe He does or maybe He does not. How are we to know?
We don't know anything for definite.

In the Lord's Prayer we say, "Lead us not into temptation." Why would we ask Him to not lead us into temptation? Is there a possibility that He would lead us into temptation? And then we say, "But deliver us from evil." That part is understandable.

At the begining of the prayer we say, "Your kingdom come" It has not come yet. We also say, "Your will be done on Earth, as it is in Heaven."
As far as I know, God's will has not been done on Earth "by many people."

If anyone knows how to interpret the words from the original to English
I would like to hear/read it, or learn where to find it. Thanks!

My understanding here today is that a core purpose of prayer is to seek, or request, the opportunity/opportunities to present itself/themselves in a way that can be understood by us (the individual), and to inspire US to act on that, and not to recourse to maybe instant answers, or results: that way we may become better empowered to improve ourselves and the lives of others we touch around us :heart:

[Heart to heart]

Dear Doug
Your incident with the Wells Fargo words is a beautiful synchronicity!
This happens to me many times and I have learnt that this is the Universe on the phone again trying to get my attention!
I now listen and observe🌟

[East Sun]

Happy New Year Everyone!

My two cents here is that it is extremely important for us to realize that each of us carries that God spark within ourselves. It is really a matter of extinguishing the doubts and chatter that our brains are programmed to believe. (finding the silence within...)

The mainstream "authorities" are trying very hard to program people to look for their saviour and answers they look for outside of themselves. One becomes very susceptible to fear and influence that way.

I never grew up with any religious affiliation.

From my own personal real experience, as a very young boy forced to deal with lower vibration beings, bad spirits, etc., I was very fortunate to have a guide at the time who shielded me but encouraged me to repeat the lord's prayer over and over (in Dutch at that time). It really worked very well.

After a lot of screaming, cursing and taking on images of authority -- including faces like my parents -- by these archons, after only a few moments they were powerless and would simply vanish. This was a life changing event for me. I was around 5 years old. I never had bad dreams from that day forward.

I realize now, my guide the being of light did not make them disappear. All he did was encourage me to go on praying and showed me that power was within me.

The lords prayer I think is a very powerful tool which helps one "tune in" to the higher vibrations. No doubt, other cultures have their own powerful prayers.

These thoughts and discussions are very important during our consciousness shift we all are witnessing as there are a lot of lower entities floating around creating chaos trying to interfere with our self realization. They have always been around (perhaps a little more today, lol) and as we are waking up we are noticing them more...

I'm glad you started the topic!

Namaste!

I am very glad that you appreciate discussions on the subject.

In my past, decades ago I went through a time of studying the Bible and other religions, But now I'm cool with the whole process and content
with where I am religion-wise.

I don't "follow" any belief or dogma.
It's where I believe is the ultimate goal and God would have no problem with that.
!
Namaste

[East Sun]

Just an autobiographical few lines...

If God was testing me I think God would not find much fault in what I should or should not be doing.
I can not experience being spirit now so I'm happy with my physical body.
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I'm retired, happily married. I asked myself yesterday, "What more could I ask for?"
Have no wish for it to be other than what it is. I would not exchange my life with the richest man in the world.

In my search for God I realised something: Perhaps it's better that we don't know what is comming. If we knew
we might be very unhappy about it.

My search for God does not mean that I won't want to know things about the world and about spiritual things.
Most people would never stop wanting to know about things of interest like UAP which I expect we would have unending
questions about. Do many of the space aliens have knowledge of God or do they have other unknown-to-us Gods.

When we eventually can communicate freely with beings from light-years away from Earth we will probably change our beliefs.
If they have existed for thousands of years and traveled to many galaxies they would surely have communicated with beings
of many beliefs or maybe never have heard of our God. The possibilities are endless.

[rgray222]

When you truly undertake the search for God it does not take long to comprehend the enormity of the task. Once you consider the scope, size, and mystery of the universe and the fact that God is the creator and sustainer of that universe it becomes easy to believe that we do not possess the ability in human form to grasp the full breadth of God.

As we move through life it becomes more clear that love and relationships are key to why we were put on this planet in the first place. These relationships can be romantic, familial, friendships and even casual liaisons. It is all about the lives we touch. So if that is true then by extension the most important purpose in our lives it to establish a relationship with God. We don't need to understand why or even how but we must simply make a leap of faith and be secure in that decision.

For me, developing that relationship has been a deeply personal lifelong journey that will continue beyond this life.

[Losus4]

You're speaking to God as if he/she/it were a seperate entity from everyone and everything around you. God is not out there and certainly not "up" in heaven. God/Source is everything you're currently perceiving, and has been/will be from birth to death. We cannot not perceive God as there is nothing that is not God. There's nothing in the universe, whether a speck of dirt or a planet, that isn't a projection of the One, that can best be described as solidified light-consciousness.

We like to think of there being a spiritual world and a physical world... but this is innaccurate, as there is only spiritual, albeit in varying levels of density. Physical matter isn't physical at all, it's just very dense/focused spirit/consciousness energy. As to how to speak to God/Source and why he/she/it doesn't respond... best thing to do would be look into Law of Attraction, as well as listening to Darryl Anka/Bashar, who is one of the most credible channels alive today. Also begin listening to/reading as many NDE reports as you can, paying attention to how many NDE'ers discard their religious beliefs and labels as they don't accurately reflect the nature of how reality is composed, and if you have the chance/opportunity, take psychedelics, mushrooms in particular can help you see through the illusion.

Read chapter "Proof of the Afterlife" - https://pdfhost.io/v/XI9OATfoB_Truthbombs

[JackMcThorn]

In 2o16 I changed my belief system for the 4th and final time far away from conventional and mainstream.

I think what I was searching for all those years was some inner-peace in a world of perceived and actual turmoil and I think since its been 9 years since the last change, I have found some.

I talk to her often. But to-day I asked for help. I had what I thought to be a larger problem and made it through it unscathed. I thanked her tremendously as I do not ask too much. I always thank God for small favours but especially for the larger ones.

There is an essay about an old sea captain that is 'as devout as tempest past'. I try to practice being as devout when there is no problem as I am when there is one. The book that contains this essay is quite old [1912 published, some essays over 4oo years old] and I had sent it to my daughter for safe keeping while I was traveling. I found the book at the bottom of a pile in Killarney, Ireland under a sign that said 'make an offer'. I thought, this is a gem. I wonder what to offer? I took it to the register and said, I don't know what to offer for this book. They said, how about 4 Euros? Thank you, kindly.

[East Sun]

Thanks Losus4

Why do you tell me that your version of "God" is true, when it's not possible for you to know.

It's not possible for me to know either.

[Delight]

Such a wonderful thread here.

My POV now is that we are abiding in a place of PARADOX. This helps me understand that because everything here has in itself its polarity, we are flung by our mind to extremes holding only that extreme.

My POV now is that this is a place that is "Illusion", Maya unreal, a dream. Neville Goddard is my primary spiritual teacher. I like listening to his lectures and often he put personal stories there. As a person, with an ego, we are here to experience this life. He distinguishes Christ from God. The Christ is changing where GOD is everything and therefore change is not even a "thing".

WE are the crucified Christ (innately of that state) He states that Christ is crucified in matter in order to be resurrected. He says something to the effect that an individual being has huge amounts of power to change THIS realm. He describes the Christ as like a tooth which can "chew" what is experienced.

The states are all in potential and we choose chewing our reality and changing our state. The ultimate purpose for us is becoming the state where resurrection will unfold. The change we may really USE is within us. We WILL have every event form around what we imagine FULLY to conform with our intention. So he described methods to change and BE in a differnt state. It uses the Imagination (God IS our human imagination) to literally MOVE form one state to another.

One story is so cool. He had a techer neamed Abdullah who is said, maybe, to be an Ethiopean esoteric Christian? Abdullah taught him to "live in the end" of a desire where you FEEL fully it IS so. Neville wanted to travel by boat to Barbados to be with his family for Christmas. The depression had limited work for him as a dancer and he felt poor and frustrated. Also, he was prideful and did not want to seem to need his family to support him.

The direction was for him to bring Barbados to his mind here so he would imagine walking on his street in barbados and the sense of warmth (Late fall in NYC), to spend as much time being where he wished to BE in his imagination. This is to me using our attention and dividing it so we can simultaneously be here and also be present imaginally elsewhere.

At just the last minute, days befor the last ship sailed before Christmas, he was wired a DIRECTION form his brother that he MUST be home for Christmas. The packet included money to buy clothes ($500.00 was a great deal of money then) and first class passage. When Neville went to get his ticket, there were no first class rooms available. Neville was Ok with that and they would have him eat in first class dining etc.

Abdullah was INCENSED when he heard Neville was settling. He told him to keep working and even slammed the door on Neville.

In the end a stateroom came open and he traveled like the dandy he was at heart. When Neville was feeling frustrated, one aspect is that he had stopped being his "real" self who enjoyed being elegant and a Bon Vivant. He always loved martinis and in his spiritual quest that year he had given everything up. Living became poor and frustrating.

Neville specifically speaks to us here and now as being in a place where we will finally meet ourselves fully. Until, then, we will he says literally repeat lives over and over beginning not from birth but where we last STOOD in our state of being. If you KNOW how this realm works where it reflects your state and that you can change your state, you are towards the end of the sojourn.

neville had a revelation that is pure mysticism and I don't understand exactly what he meant but he had an experience that changed his teaching focus from the laws of how this realm works to the Promise that we will LEAVE this realm when we resurrect and our union with God is full.

I IMAGINE I have a relationship with God who is Unknown but real. I live in this as often as I remember and I find my world is really beautiful. Neville tasks us also with imagining the best for everyone we know.

Neville always said we can have any state we choose by LIVING IMAGINATIVELY in how that IS before and then it MUST harden into fact. This realm IS paradox because you COULD SAY a "lie" (what is not) BECOMES fact so has a kind of truth IN THIS illusion.

To me this is really what I see... people having the life they imagine is true. It seeming to include so much repetition of programming from others or belief in rather than experience of what we COULD choose. We must CHOOSE the BEST and imagine that to have first class. I want first class wholesome exhuberant life for everyone. It seems to me we should understand why Abdullah slammed the door on Neville's acceptance of limitation.

We may use imagining to the advantage of becoming that person we wish to BE> Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven could be a description of USING our imagination in a divine way?

[Bluegreen]

how i speak to god

first i speak to jesus
then i speak to mary
then i speak to the saints
then i speak to god
sometimes i speak to my dad

[East Sun]

Delight

Your description reminded me of some Asian beliefs of doing a healing by seeing what you want the end result to be, as having already
happened and beliving in it fully. The belief that it has happened is the key. If you believe it fully and concentrate on it, it will happen.

That's great. I love that power of belief can be so powerfull. This is just a very brief description.

[Losus4]

"It's not possible for you/me to know God"

Wrong, as mentioned, psychedelics will help you spiritually awaken. The idea that psychedelics are a drug and that "drugs are bad" is a notion peddled by the establishment who are the very ones who would suffer if a mass awakening ever happened via mass consumption of psychedelics. This same establishment tells you alcohol is fine despite the much greater harm ordinary people experience that comes from consuming it.

[Bruce G Charlton]

I have come to believe that young children are (more or less) correct in their spiritual instincts - and therefore it is best to regard God (i.e. The Creator, i.e. the primary creator) as a person, not an abstract "deity".

From our perspective, this means that God (for Christians) is our parent (indeed, our parents, I believe: i.e. Heavenly Mother and Father) and someone we can get to know intuitively - which is how we can be confident that God is Good, and loves us each as "his" children.

In reading the Fourth Gospel ("John") - which I believe to be the primary source of such knowledge (https://lazaruswrites.blogspot.com/) - there is much about God as the Father of Jesus, and we as being God's children - and (if we choose) destined to become "sons of God" by resurrection to eternal life in Heaven.

If we believe that Jesus was indeed Son of God, and was an incarnated Man, then there we have a picture of the reality of what God is like.

All this, I think we should take as "literally" true, but with broader, deeper, and more multiple meanings than our current language and thinking allow-for.

IMO essential reality is simple enough for a child to understand, although there are resonances and implications enough for a lifetime of reflection.

Note: I realize that there are other ways of conceptualizing God. And these have a validity. What I mean is that I think there is a sense in which we "get what we want" in terms of how we conceptualize God and what we want after death.

What Jesus Christ offered us is a very specific post-mortal destiny. It seems evident that not everybody wants it. And when it comes to resurrection, everlasting personal life, and Heaven: you don't get what you don't want.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

"It's not possible for you/me to know God"

Wrong, as mentioned, psychedelics will help you spiritually awaken.

Inner work is the only natural way to forge a connection with spirit (and by extension, God). Drugs are a battering ram. Sure, they'll open a door, but unless you're an adept, you run the risk of just about anything stepping through, negative entities on the astral realm included. And if one was a true adept, being devout, wise, and skilled in the spiritual disciplines, drugs wouldn't be needed at all.

But anyone can do as they will, this is just my opinion.

[arjunaloka_official]

The idea that psychedelics are a drug and that "drugs are bad" is a notion peddled by the establishment who are the very ones who would suffer if a mass awakening ever happened via mass consumption of psychedelics.

For me, drugs are like a formula 1 sports car. If you can handle it (and I know some people who can), great. If you can't handle it, you'll hurt yourself, which is why I don't recommend ayahuasca and the like. Prayer and meditation are the slow but safe way.

[East Sun]

In a real sense, when it comes to God we may be on our own. Sorry to disappoint a lot of very intelligent well--meaning people through the ages
but we should realize that it is a possibility that there is not a God, Maybe we are the only God collectively.

When we realize that we will have turned a corner into total realization.

Think about it, Please!

[Delight]

In a real sense, when it comes to God we may be on our own. Sorry to disappoint a lot of very intelligent well--meaning people through the ages
but we should realize that it is a possibility that there is not a God, Maybe we are the only God collectively.

When we realize that we will have turned a corner into total realization.

Think about it, Please!

Yes, I do think about this very position... we on our own by our CHOICE. The game of life is a player's responsibility. We can do anything we want to do with all the consequences of our actions.

People talk about surrendering to Divine will. I truly feel not 100% able to surrender. That seems quite impossible in a way. My ego is quite insistant I retain independence. Afterall, what if I (with my POV and free will) don't WANT to follow Divine will?

I understand more that I don't know anything. How can I make free choices in my ignorance? I think my ego IS prgram and not intelligence but simply a programmed pattern. KNOWING That makes me feel more open to Divine Guidance and allowing God to lead me. I feel I am able to observe from a lovely embrace of PRESENCE.

I have been in the woo world for years. Many years ago, there was a gentleman named Robert Young form Australia who was interviewed by Alan Steinfeld. The story was fascinating. He was an engineer and made good money. One day he was driving his fancy beloved auto and was in an accident. The story is detailed and worth hearing. At one point he remembers being in a tunnel that opened up to the scene of the accident and came into his body. He was very badly injured but initially felt no pain. He was concerned about his car more than himself. Later he realized he was connected to a body of information and MORE that he understood his own energetic system.

What is important here is a realization that became the basis of his life and teaching. There are two "worlds" available to humans. One he called "Play world" which is where WE get to be responsible for every thing. We make our way independently with all the ramifications.

The OTHER option is what he calls "Divine world". In Divine world, we are no longer "in charge' BE CAUSE we become connected to Divine. He had a body take on the sense. You can imagine that there is a field of energy and when in it, you feel a sense like popcorn around the head. Everything begins to work well. Healing is present in Divine world. access to what you need to know, a relationship which in his descriptions takes our vision to a larger universe.

The INTERESTING thing is that we can choose to go back to play world, back and forth. He declared that his injuries were so great from the accident that he MUST keep his focus in Divine world in order to stay here in body. This is so interesting because we know experientially that we may feel totally "well" and then slip into feeling ILL. We can have highly uplifting thoughts and feelings and be crashed back to earth. Our energy is changing and I have my own ideas about how to focus my awareness and life IMO is spiritual. AND WE choose how we experience the Material sojourn.

I choose Divine World so I am not on my own. It is simply an astounding and mundane experience. Nothing fancy but things around me work out as well as a sense of being with a Presence.

In Robert Youngs undestanding, the Universe wants us to know this choice is so.

[arjunaloka_official]

In a real sense, when it comes to God we may be on our own. Sorry to disappoint a lot of very intelligent well--meaning people through the ages
but we should realize that it is a possibility that there is not a God, Maybe we are the only God collectively.

When we realize that we will have turned a corner into total realization.

Think about it, Please!

I would say that everyone, actually everything contains a divine spark or reflection of an aspect of God; so in that sense, yes, collectively we reflect God.
This is not limited to human beings, but includes all beings.
Personally I imagine a tree. The leaves are the different beings, then you have twigs that hold several leaves and branches that hold several twigs.
These twigs and branches are higher aspects of groups of beings, oversouls on individual, but also on group level, of plants, animals, etc.
The branches consolidate into the trunk, which completes the upper, visible part of the tree.
The more you go towards the trunk, the higher the level of consciousness, the more you move to the leaves, the simpler the consicousness.
This is the visible, light part of the tree, or the material aspect.
The material aspect is mirrored by the immaterial, hidden aspect, the roots, which mirror the complexity of the visible tree.
The tree analogy is used in many world religions, I think it is a pretty good analogy.
Still, this is only an analogy, for God is "neti neti" as the Hindus say, "not this, not that" - hard to describe.
God is real, 100% percent.
That being said, it still holds: "first tie your camel, then rely on Allah".

[rgray222]

After thinking about God for a very long time (on and off for most of my life) I finally had a very small and short-lived epiphany a few years ago. This was the closest I ever got to having a true relationship with and understanding of God. It happened after I turned everything in my life over to God, I mean everything. I am talking about every need, want, desire, ambition and problem. I felt a huge weight being removed from my soul. It only lasted for a short period because my ego eventually emerged to tell me that I should handle certain aspects of my life. While the feeling was somewhat fleeting it left a lasting impression on my soul. I am not doing justice to the description and I am not even sure I can put it in words.
Hopefully, you will get a sense of what I am talking about.

[East Sun]

To go a step further, God has to defeat the evil in self.

Were the fallen-angels a part of God? They had to be, as God is all.

All is ONE.

[Delight]

This is something I am listening to now. It seems to speak to evolving into sovereignty and individuation and then opting into a higher awarenss, responsibly conscious of the higher comnnection.

I hear everyone talking about paradox. It is IMO the very fabric of this materium where we have a body on a surface and act and move. EVERY ASPECT of experience holds its mirror opposite to integrate. So therefore, God is ineffable and personal. We are able to choose how to relate even with Divine. IMO Divine is very willing to talk to me but MOSTLY through confirmation through my listening to others. Inside, there is silence and in the silence I hear a chime when I hear something of TRUTH.

Humanity's Coming TIMELINE SPLIT in 2025! | The Alchemist / Sarah Elkhaldy

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[East Sun]

rgrey222

I can identify with that, as I did the same kind of thing. And then I very soon reached a turning point in my life.
The change was dramatic but not without trauma and searching.

Looking back it was a necessary part of a transition for the better.

[Delight]

To go a step further, God has to defeat the evil in self.

Were the fallen-angels a part of God? They had to be, as God is all.

All is ONE.

it is true that God is all. IMO stepped down from God is the polarity, the laws, the TRUTH expressed as paradox in STORIES we live. THEN stepped down in this matrix, what we end up with are INVERSIONS of what is true IMO.

IMO this is what play world means to me. It IS a place where anything can be found. It IS entropic and devolving. The whole scheme is always decaying.

IMO the paradox is that EVIL is just LIVE backwards but you have to know this is the case. In the Inversion, everything is upside down, backwards and inside out. Honestly, I don't think this matrix is going to "make it".

IMO Divine world has life in narrative too. I deeply wish to have a romance with Divine. I want to be a holy expression (whole-ly). I intend to integrate the evil IN MY PSYCHE with my consciousness helped by a power greater than I AM. It makes SENSE that OUR frequency is splitting timelines.

Sarah Elkhaldy

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[arjunaloka_official]

To go a step further, God has to defeat the evil in self.

Were the fallen-angels a part of God? They had to be, as God is all.

All is ONE.

Evil is the result of picking the wrong choice, but having the option to choose the wrong thing is required for complete freedom. Note that not evil is necessary, but the option for evil. Hence personally I am not sure if God is going to take away the option to do the wrong thing - I suppose it is more up to us to use this complete freedom wisely and do the right thing. That being said, even if we fall, there will always be the option to return to God. It's just that the deeper we fall, the more painful the way back becomes.

[East Sun]

It's understandable that there are so many religions. Some believe in one God, others in many Gods. Does not that show that there may not be one that is right and the others just different. I think that we need to evolve not just culturally but spiritually as well, where we can get together and work toward understanding each other better.

Political leaders keep us seperated more than having us work togather to unify. It's taking us a long time to reach total peace on our Earth.

[Ernie Nemeth]

There is only one God.

But...

There are many small gods. Our gods are all small gods. It is far more accurate to believe in those than in the one true God. That one does not have an outside (is all there is) and is impossible to comprehend.
Small gods are legion and each has their dominion. They care specifically.

God does not need to care.
Instead, God decrees and God's will is done.

[Losus4]

It's become apparent that a lot of Youtubers are following a pretty annoying formula which only highlight the grift that being a spiritual guru has become. Here are 3 seperate Youtube channels... notice the identicle white/yellow text in the thumbnail, as well as the generic clickbait titles like "X person says X and you WILL NOT believe what is coming" funny how they've been saying "something is coming" for years and we're all still waiting for this "thing" to come. The only thing that is coming is their Youtube ad revenue ... best take these grifters, psychics, channels and spiritual "experts" with a pinch of salt, or seek out original creators who aren't obviously all coming from the same marketing/sponsorship teams.

https://i.imgur.com/sWItY4P.png

[East Sun]

Losus4

I really like the philosophic way Dr. Greer approaches things.

I often listen to SOUL interviews and

just discovered Sarah Elkhaldy.

Those you mentioned are real thinkers and knowledgeable.

[arjunaloka_official]

It's become apparent that a lot of Youtubers are following a pretty annoying formula which only highlight the grift that being a spiritual guru has become. Here are 3 seperate Youtube channels... notice the identicle white/yellow text in the thumbnail, as well as the generic clickbait titles like "X person says X and you WILL NOT believe what is coming" funny how they've been saying "something is coming" for years and we're all still waiting for this "thing" to come. The only thing that is coming is their Youtube ad revenue ... best take these grifters, psychics, channels and spiritual "experts" with a pinch of salt, or seek out original creators who aren't obviously all coming from the same marketing/sponsorship teams.

https://i.imgur.com/sWItY4P.png

I agree that there is a - massive - trend of spiritual gurus right now, and they do a lot of copy and paste. That being said, I also think that at least some of their content is legitimate, for example when Steven Greer talks about ritambhara prajna or Sarah Elkhaldy about the timeline split (both are no new concepts but have been around for years if not ages).
This is why it is increasingly important to train the intuition. In times of improving AI fakes this is more important than ever. I would even say, because we did not rely on our intuition in the past, the AI came to manifest a scenario where there is no other choice than intuition.
In my opinion, timeline splits are real, however they split nonstop, and you can move from darker timelines to lighter ones at any time by your own series of positive or negative actions, and these timeline qualities are gray, not black or white. The very proof of this overlay or mix of lighter and darker aspects (which Sarah Elkhaldy is talking about in her timeline vid) is the screenshot above - the way the videos are presented comes from a darker timeline (or lets say from aspects which are more distant to God) while the content they share already comes from a lighter timeline (closer to God).
As said, you need to go by your intuition, you cannot blindly trust the content, but I feel some of their content is the real deal.

[rgray222]

I like his take on spirituality and religion getting in the way.

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