Day 1 of Trump's Presidency... and all the days that follow

[Rizotto]

Trump Declares Airspace Above Venezuela "To Be Closed In Its Entirety"

"To all Airlines, Pilots, Drug Dealers, and Human Traffickers, please consider THE AIRSPACE ABOVE AND SURROUNDING VENEZUELA TO BE CLOSED IN ITS ENTIRETY. Thank you for your attention to this matter! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP"
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1994760100376891748?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1994760100376891748%7Ctwgr% 5E65b12bb64c527123471f32f7786a67e16206f253%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fmilitary%2Ftrump-declares-airspace-above-venezuela-be-closed-its-entirety

[My question would be: By what authority is Trump using (if any) to close Venezuelan airspace in its entirety?]

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/trump-declares-airspace-above-venezuela-be-closed-its-entirety

Could it be because Trump is planning to fly to Venezuela for talks with Maduro?

Trump Plans To Hold Talks With Venezuela's Maduro: Report

President Trump has told his advisers that he’s planning to speak directly with Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, Axios reported on Monday, citing administration officials.

While the Trump administration has continued to build up its forces in the Caribbean, bomb boats in the region, and leak information to the media that suggests it's preparing a regime change operation in Venezuela, Trump has signaled in recent weeks that he's open to diplomacy with Maduro’s government after previously cutting off talks. "I see a diplomatic solution as being very likely," one Trump adviser told Axios.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-plans-hold-talks-venezuelas-maduro-report

Trump simply has NO authority to close another country's airspace. He thinks he's world emperor, and overwhelmed by greed for Venezuela's resources.
He's promised his MAGA base 'no more wars abroad', so another broken promise.

https://www.rt.com/news/628672-trump-venezuela-airspace-closed/

November 29, 2025

Trump declares Venezuelan airspace closed
The US president has said his country will take action on land against alleged drug trafficking networks in Venezuela ‘very soon’

Airspace “above and surrounding” Venezuela is now closed, US President Donald Trump announced on Saturday. Trump has repeatedly threatened military action against the country, citing its alleged involvement in the illicit drug trade, a charge Venezuela’s leadership has consistently denied.

Trump made the announcement in a caps-heavy post on Truth Social without elaborating how far the “surrounding” airspace spans beyond the South American country’s borders.

“To all airlines, pilots, drug dealers, and human traffickers, please consider the airspace above and surrounding Venezuela to be closed in its entirety,” the US president wrote.

Since early September, the US military has carried out over 20 strikes on small boats in international waters in the Caribbean and beyond, claiming the vessels are being used by drug smugglers. More than 80 people are believed to have been killed in the attacks, according to media reports.

In mid-November, US Secretary of War Pete Hegseth announced the launch of Operation Southern Spear against “narcoterrorists” in the region. The US military brought over a dozen warships and some 15,000 personnel into the region as part of the operation.

Trump has repeatedly accused Caracas of aiding “narcoterrorists,” alleging that Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro is personally leading a major drug trafficking organization. Recently, Washington also increased its bounty on Maduro to a massive $50 million.

Maduro has repeatedly denied allegations of being somehow involved in illicit narcotics trafficking, insisting the claims were merely part of Washington’s efforts to topple him.

The Venezuelan president has warned Washington against launching “a crazy war,” placing the country’s military on high alert and staging a series of exercises in response to the US military buildup in the region.

[Mike]

Trump simply has NO authority to close another country's airspace. He thinks he's world emperor, and overwhelmed by greed for Venezuela's resources.
He's promised his MAGA base 'no more wars abroad', so another broken promise.

If he can do it, and no one can stop him, he has the authority. That's how this works in reality.

Maduro already promised Trump resources. If it was just about resources that would have been the end of it.

Even if there is a "war", it'll last about 5 minutes. So no real promises broken there.

[SilentFeathers]

Trump simply has NO authority to close another country's airspace. He thinks he's world emperor, and overwhelmed by greed for Venezuela's resources.
He's promised his MAGA base 'no more wars abroad', so another broken promise.

If he can do it, and no one can stop him, he has the authority. That's how this works in reality.

Maduro already promised Trump resources. If it was just about resources that would have been the end of it.

Even if there is a "war", it'll last about 5 minutes. So no real promises broken there.

Wouldn't it be something if we eventually found out that Venezuela has actually been a processing hub for many of the millions of illegals that entered the US through Biden's Presidency?
and that Maduro and Venezuela received billions of US taxpayers dollars through NGO's etc for their cooperation in flooding the US with millions of illegals throughout Biden's Presidency?????
and that Maduro and Venezuela are the headquarters for the largest election tampering & rigging apparatus on Earth and are in bed with all the people involved running Smartmatic and Dominion voting machines and software etc.?????
and also involved in massive drug trafficking and money laundering???????
and also involved in the sex slavery and trafficking of women and children??????

Just to name a few things that might really be going on........

[rgray222]

Trump simply has NO authority to close another country's airspace. He thinks he's world emperor, and overwhelmed by greed for Venezuela's resources.
He's promised his MAGA base 'no more wars abroad', so another broken promise.

https://www.rt.com/news/628672-trump-venezuela-airspace-closed/



There is a very good chance that the Venezuela action has as much to do with Russia as it does with drugs. Venezuela is considered Russia's closest ally in Latin America. They maintain a strong partnership across political, military and economic fronts. They are currently bound by their shared opposition to the United States. This is not lost on Trump, and he is manoeuvring the geopolitical football in a way that is making Russia take note and, more importantly, lose face and suffer financially. Now I am not normally in favor of such action, but I consider the Russian war in Ukraine an appalling violation of human and natural law. It is time to transcend war and conflict and celebrate peace. We must recognize that diplomacy and words are the true currency of highly evolved ET civilizations.

[Rizotto]

Of course Trump is reacting to the Venezuela-Russia alliance. Probably another Trump attempt to dig a hole for Russia, who has already sent much military equipment to Venezuela over the past few years to assist them in the face of USA's belligerence. But it really started decades ago with USA wanting control over Venezuela's resources. I doubt Russia will take the bait. Putin really wants to finish the Ukraine war ASAP, another conflict that was started by the USA with a 2014 CIA regime change coup in Maidan, Ukraine, followed by nearly a decade of Ukrainian attacks on the Donbass civilian population of ethnic Russians.

Personally I think that the Israel lobby is the one directing Trump to launch this war to pillage Venezuela. I mean, the Israelis can certainly see that their cash cow USA is crumbling under humongous debt, how else can they keep the cash flow going on, other than by invading a resource-rich country?

Another aspect is that Venezuela has in recent months taken steps to join the BRICS. That too would send Trump into a frenzy of inventing pretexts to subjugate Venezuela.
I see that Silent Feathers has already come up with quite the list of fantastical assumptions.

What will most USA voters think of Trump breaking the one major promise of 'no more wars', so important to his MAGA base? Here's Dave Smith with his guest Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein, commenting on this new war that nobody asked for:

Dave Smith | Another Stupid War | Part Of The Problem 1332

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M39_kTTDuR4

[TrumanCash]

Venezuelan Airspace Falls Silent After Trump Orders Emergency Closure Amid Escalating Crisis

"Venezuelan airspace is nearly empty after President Donald Trump called for an emergency air-closure over the country, a move U.S. officials describe as a necessary national-security step following weeks of heightened instability inside Nicolás Maduro’s regime.

"Flight-tracking data throughout the afternoon showed commercial traffic rapidly diverting away from Venezuelan territory, leaving one of South America’s busiest corridors almost entirely empty within hours.

"The order immediately triggered condemnation from several foreign governments."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/11/venezuelan-airspace-falls-silent-after-trump-orders-emergency/

[norman]

Kash Patel Talks China Fentanyl, Violent Networks, ‘Burn Bags,’ and More
American Thought Leaders - Nov 29, 2025

33 min
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Dec 1, 2025 #TheGrayzone
´The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate take a look at the sudden resignation of Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who entered Congress as a rabid ultra-MAGA enforcer, and left as an opponent of Trump who forcefully condemned Israel's atrocities in Gaza.´

[Rizotto]

Brilliant and hard-hitting analysis by John Mershemeir about Venezuela's resistance to USA threats, which signals the end of USA hegemony and the rise of the multipolar world.


"For more than twenty years the United States has tried every tool in its regime-change arsenal against Venezuela: the harshest sanctions in modern history has ever seen, the 2002 coup, the Guaidó “interim presidency” farce, mercenary landings, asset seizures, nonstop covert action.
The result? The government in Caracas is still in power — and far more secure than it was in 2002.
In this 50-minute lecture I explain, in pure structural-realist terms, how Venezuela — with decisive Russian and Iranian assistance — turned itself into a fortress the American military cannot crack at any acceptable cost. This is the first genuine anti-access/area-denial bubble ever built in the Western Hemisphere, and it proves that my theory of offensive realism was correct: push too far on the periphery and you will eventually create states that can make you pay a price you are unwilling to bear.
This is not about socialism, democracy, or human rights.
This is about oil as financial collateral, the return of multipolar competition, and the hard limits of American power in the 21st century."

John Mearsheimer: Why the United States Will Never Invade Venezuela

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGix6E-dzEI

[norman]

Unspecified recording date

Rep. Rashida Tlaib calls for Hamas supporters to mobilize and take over America


https://rumble.com/v72gxza-rep.-rashida-tlaib-calls-for-hamas-supporters-to-mobilize-and-take-over-ame.html

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[BMJ]

Trump Just TRIGGERED the COLLAPSE of the IRS!!!

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Dr Steve Turley
Dec 3, 2025
President Trump has justed accelerated the timeline for the IRS demise.

[Rizotto]

Must watch! Once again professor Jeffrey Sachs provides illuminating history lessons on what led to the current state of affairs in the USA. For one thing, congress is not functioning, and "presidents should not be murderers" (a reference to the Trump administration's murders of civilians in boats off the coast of Venezuela).

The first part is about the never-ending war in Ukraine, started by the USA in a 2014 coup.
The second part relates to Trump's stated intention to trigger an invasion of Venezuela, depose Maduro, and control Venezuela's minerals. It has nothing to do with drugs.

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs : Is Trump Planning More Wars?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBKAXlGNBUE

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"Hegseth scapegoats his admiral."
COWARD: Hegseth Throws Admiral Bradely Overboard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryL2EDdpAY4

Personal comment: Trump has given full support to Hegseth in this matter. That makes Trump as culpable as Hegseth in these murders.

[Mike]

I think it's great. I can't get enough. I hope we keep blowing up drug boats, I hope we blow them up in record numbers, I hope the explosions are so big you can see them from the moon. And then I hope the smoke forms itself into a huge portrait of Trump and floats into Canada and hovers over Rizzoto's house for like the next year:)

It'll be glorious when Maduro and the rest of the narco demons are vanquished and Venezuala returns to the flourishing country it once was.

Even if the US is in this strictly for the minerals, I could care less. If successful it's still a massive net benefit for everyone involved, especially the Venezuelan people.

[SilentFeathers]

I think it's great. I can't get enough. I hope we keep blowing up drug boats, I hope we blow them up in record numbers, I hope the explosions are so big you can see them from the moon. And then I hope the smoke forms itself into a huge portrait of Trump and floats to Canada and hovers over Rizzoto's house for like the next year:)

It'll be glorious when Maduro and the rest of the narco demons are vanquished and Venezuala returns to the flourishing country it once was.

Even if the US is in this strictly for the minerals, I could care less. It's still a massive net benefit for everyone involved, especially the Venezuelan people.

I'm sure some will be triggered by your post, but I concur, I'm tired of all the whining and shock and awe by so many as if this is the first time something like this has happened and all the default to "orange man bad" BS.

I'll add to the triggering.....

There's a lot going on with all of this focus on Venezuela and drugs is just a fraction of the reason.

Yes it's about oil and minerals too, but it's also a staging place for China, Russia, and Iran. There's a good reason one of the first things Trump did when he got in office was to send Rubio to push China out of Panama. Now he's trying to do this with Venezuela in my opinion, among other things. Smartmatic and Dominion has operations set up there that are rigging and interfering in many elections, drugs, money laundering, human trafficking are also an issue.

It's a sh*thole there and "Maduro must go" is the new policy about Venezuela I reckon. This action towards Venezuela may also influence the other neighboring countries and reign in their illegal and bad behavior a bit also.

I see it as fixing a national security and high danger risk that has been festering from there for decades, and especially escalating the last several years.

Do I claim to be accurate and correct about all of this? NO. But, at least I'm trying to look at this situation from more angles than some are.

[Jaak]

Smartmatic and Dominion has operations set up there that are rigging and interfering in many elections, drugs, money laundering, human trafficking are also an issue.

It's a sh*thole there and "Maduro must go" is the new policy about Venezuela I reckon.

Smartmatic left Venezuela 2017 . It seems more that Smartmatic was made to overthrow venezuelas government. It failed and they ran away.
Dominion doesnt exist anymore.
In October 2025, Scott Leiendecker, a former Republican Missouri election official and founder of KnowInk, purchased Dominion Voting Systems under a new company named Liberty Vote.

Venezuela is largely a sh*thole as you call it because of all the sanctions USA has been putting on them for 20+ years to destroy venezuela...
Interesting to see that Trump is following that tradition.

Most of the drugs in USA come from Mexico . But since they now have cartel friendly jewish president we dont hear Trump barking at that tree.

The United States estimates that between 200 and 250 metric tons of cocaine pass through Venezuela annually, which represents roughly 10 to 13 percent of estimated global cocaine production.
However, this cocaine is primarily destined for Europe or Brazil, not the United States.
The vast majority of cocaine reaching the U.S. originates in Colombia and travels through the Pacific Ocean, with 74 percent of U.S.-bound cocaine moving via the Eastern Pacific Vector, and a smaller portion via the Western Caribbean Vector from Colombia and western Venezuela.
Venezuela plays essentially no role in the production or smuggling of fentanyl, which is almost entirely manufactured in Mexico using chemicals from Asia.
Most fentanyl enters the U.S. through official ports of entry along the southern border, often smuggled by U.S. citizens.
While some cocaine may pass through Venezuela en route to the U.S., the country is not a significant source of drugs for the American market.

[SilentFeathers]

Smartmatic and Dominion has operations set up there that are rigging and interfering in many elections, drugs, money laundering, human trafficking are also an issue.

It's a sh*thole there and "Maduro must go" is the new policy about Venezuela I reckon.

Smartmatic left Venezuela 2017 . It seems more that Smartmatic was made to overthrow venezuelas government. It failed and they ran away.
Dominion doesnt exist anymore.
In October 2025, Scott Leiendecker, a former Republican Missouri election official and founder of KnowInk, purchased Dominion Voting Systems under a new company named Liberty Vote.

Venezuela is largely a sh*thole as you call it because of all the sanctions USA has been putting on them for 20+ years to destroy venezuela...
Interesting to see that Trump is following that tradition.

Most of the drugs in USA come from Mexico . But since they now have cartel friendly jewish president we dont hear Trump barking at that tree.

The United States estimates that between 200 and 250 metric tons of cocaine pass through Venezuela annually, which represents roughly 10 to 13 percent of estimated global cocaine production.
However, this cocaine is primarily destined for Europe or Brazil, not the United States.
The vast majority of cocaine reaching the U.S. originates in Colombia and travels through the Pacific Ocean, with 74 percent of U.S.-bound cocaine moving via the Eastern Pacific Vector, and a smaller portion via the Western Caribbean Vector from Colombia and western Venezuela.
Venezuela plays essentially no role in the production or smuggling of fentanyl, which is almost entirely manufactured in Mexico using chemicals from Asia.
Most fentanyl enters the U.S. through official ports of entry along the southern border, often smuggled by U.S. citizens.
While some cocaine may pass through Venezuela en route to the U.S., the country is not a significant source of drugs for the American market.

Yeah, I am no expert and don't know exactly what is really going on. I just know my radar went crazy and red flags popped up when the China fentanyl problem instantly shifted to the Venezuela fentanyl problem. It's quite obvious drugs is a cover story for something....

It's as if Trump is rebooting the Monroe Doctrine. It's probably no accident Rubio is front and center on all this Latin America stuff.

[ThePythonicCow]

Dominion doesnt exist anymore.
In October 2025, Scott Leiendecker, a former Republican Missouri election official and founder of KnowInk, purchased Dominion Voting Systems under a new company named Liberty Vote.
What Dominion does still exists, in many countries, including the United States. Major election fraud still exists, in many countries, including massively in my country, the U.S.

Money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking, dark and evil forces, ... all still exist and almost never in plain sight.

The flows of dark power, money, drugs, slaves, weapons, propaganda, tyranny, ... are almost never in plain sight or simple.

Denying a particular path or name for a particular dark flow or act does not vanquish that flow or act. Such denials are typically the words of a deceiver, though usually the deceiver and the speaker are not the same and often they do not even know each other ... such deception also flows by hidden paths.

May we each do our best to be neither the deceiver nor the deceived nor an intermediate agent connecting them, forgiving of failure due to weakness, but relentless in demanding strength, by and from others as we would of ourselves.

[rgray222]

Unspecified recording date

Rep. Rashida Tlaib calls for Hamas supporters to mobilize and take over America


https://rumble.com/v72gxza-rep.-rashida-tlaib-calls-for-hamas-supporters-to-mobilize-and-take-over-ame.html

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This is not muslims assimilating into society. This is a perfect example of immigrants forming a secondary subculture within their host country. When Muslims refuse to accept the new culture of their adopted countries, they become self-marginalized. This begins a horrific cycle of blame that almost always ends in violence. We are seeing that violence play out in several European countries, and it is just starting to rear its ugly head in the USA.

One of the primary reasons Muslims remain in tight-knit groups is that they have discovered that voting turnout in local government elections is incredibly low. Sometimes below 15% and rarely above 40%. It is relatively easy for them to take control of local governments in an effort to change the culture of their host town or city. This is never a good idea and almost always ends poorly.

[Rizotto]

"This administration is open to celebrating their sadism"

Aaron Maté : Why Trump Wants Venezuelan Regime Change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_d3vjox7kc

[Rizotto]

"Col Doug Macgregor argues that U.S. leaders who make threats and deploy military forces are often expected to act on them, and that this is the dangerous position the U.S. now finds itself in with Venezuela. Neoconservative advisers like Elliott Abrams, Marco Rubio, and figures influenced by Bill Kristol reportedly convinced President Trump that Venezuela would be an easy “cakewalk,” but people in Venezuela—despite disliking Maduro—strongly resist U.S. interference and would fight to defend their country.

The speaker says Trump should apply a classic strategic framework: purpose, method, and end state—asking what the real, attainable political-military objective is, how force would accomplish it, and what the region should look like afterward. Washington rarely asks these questions, just as it didn’t in Vietnam or early in the Korean War. Eisenhower did ask them and rejected reckless proposals; Trump should do the same, fire advisers who misled him, withdraw forces, and openly admit the strategy won’t work.

They suggest Trump should publicly reverse course, withdraw the military, begin direct talks with Venezuela, and overhaul his national security team—though they doubt he has the discipline of an Eisenhower. The discussion also notes that Trump rejected multiple “easy wins” offered by Maduro, likely due to hawkish pressure. Historical comparisons are made to Clinton’s missteps in the Balkans, where he was pushed into conflicts based on unrealistic promises. The speaker concludes that Trump is now “trapped” in Venezuela, Ukraine, and the Middle East, and the only way out is to change advisers and strategy."
Col Doug Macgregor: "Trump's Been Made a Fool"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Fbn0S0klw

[BMJ]

The Satanic Globalist Are Out A New Order Is Rising
It telling that President Trump, Putin and Chairmen Xi all did not attend the recent G20 summit in South Africa nor the Climate Change Summit both satanic globalist groups. It seems the trio are starting to finally come out in unity against the satanic globalist.

Trump Locks Britain Out of Peace: $1 Trillion Deal Shatters the Empire

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Promethean Updates
Nov 27, 2025

Summary:
00:00 Trump Locks Britain Out of Peace: $1 Trillion Deal Shatters the Empire - November 26, 2025
03:23 Trump Locks British Warmongers Out of Ukraine Peace Talks
07:09 Trump's Economic Deals Expose the G20's Irrelevance
09:18 The Driving Force Behind Trump's Revolution

In this episode, Susan Kokinda explains how Donald Trump has effectively sidelined the British Empire from Ukraine peace negotiations, asserting a strategic shift in global power dynamics.

The video highlights Trump's efforts to bring peace to Ukraine by excluding British influences, critiques the G20 summit's waning relevance, and underscores Trump's economic deals surpassing those orchestrated by figures like Mark Carney.

Emphasizing Trump's dismantling of the British imperial system and advocating for a return to American economic principles, this update encourages viewers to see through media distractions and understand the broader geopolitical shifts.



Britain's Worst Nightmare: Three Nuclear Powers Meet in Moscow

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Promethean Updates
Dec 4, 2025

Summary:
00:00 The Midweek Update - Britain's Worst Nightmare: Three Nuclear Powers Meet in Moscow - December 3, 2025
02:38 Moscow Convergence: Three Superpowers End the Great Game
06:51 Venezuela Strike: Trump Targets the Empire's Dirty Money Jugular
11:40 The American System Reborn: Economic Sovereignty vs. Financial Parasites

In this episode, Susan Kokinda discusses a significant event in Moscow involving Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff, Vladimir Putin, and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi. The meeting represents a major shift in global power dynamics, signaling potential threats to British imperial control.

Kokinda delves into Trump's new alliances with Russia and China and his efforts to target the financial lifeblood of the British Empire.

The episode covers various topics including the re-emergence of sovereign nations, targeting of dirty money flows in Venezuela, and Trump's transformative economic policies. As the US, Russia, and China enhance their cooperation, the traditional geopolitical playbook is being challenged. Stay tuned to understand how Trump's strategies are changing the world order and why this has the Anglo-American establishment in panic mode.

[Rizotto]

You can't make this up...

Pete Hegseth seems to think that blowing up people in boats is just a funny business...

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[Rizotto]

https://www.rt.com/news/628875-netanyahu-pushed-trump-pardon/

December 3, 2025

Netanyahu pushed Trump on pardon request – Axios
The US president last month asked his Israeli counterpart, Isaac Herzog, to fully pardon Netanyahu in a long-standing corruption case

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu lobbied US President Donald Trump for stronger backing for his bid for a presidential pardon over a long-running corruption case, Axios has reported, citing officials.

Netanyahu last week formally asked Israeli President Isaac Herzog to pardon him from a case in which he has been entangled for over a decade. The plea came after Trump, a staunch Netanyahu ally, urged Herzog in November to grant a full pardon.

During a call on Monday, Netanyahu asked Trump for more help in his push for a pardon from the Israeli president, according to Axios. Trump expressed confidence that the effort would ultimately succeed but stopped short of committing to new steps, the outlet reported, citing US and Israeli officials familiar with the exchange.

“Netanyahu wants Trump to do more, but the president has done all he can do,” one American official told Axios.

Trump’s letter to Herzog last month dismissed the charges against Netanyahu as “a political, unjustified prosecution” and demanded a full pardon. Critics said the gesture risks undermining Israel’s judiciary and turning pardons into political weapons.

Netanyahu is the first sitting Israeli prime minister ever to stand trial, facing charges of fraud, breach of trust, and accepting bribes in three separate cases alleging he traded political favors for lavish gifts from wealthy associates. Indicted in 2019, he has pleaded not guilty and insists the case is a politically motivated campaign by the media, police, and judiciary to remove him from power. The trial, which began in 2020, has been repeatedly delayed and is expected to drag on for years.

Critics argue that Netanyahu has used Israel’s ongoing conflicts to insulate himself from legal jeopardy and maintain his hold on power.

In his plea for clemency, Netanyahu said a pardon would allow him to devote “all of his time, abilities, and energy” to leading Israel through what he called “critical times.” Herzog’s office said the president will review the request once he receives the full set of legal opinions.

[SilentFeathers]

You can't make this up...

Pete Hegseth seems to think that blowing up people in boats is just a funny business...

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Disgusting? Yes, but not nearly as disgusting as thousands upon thousands of people jumping up and down for joy, laughing and celebrating the cold blooded assassination of Charlie Kirk on a US College Campus.

I find it extremely astonishing that many of the same people that are completely ok with killing people like Trump and Charlie Kirk are totally upset and find it wrong killing a few drug trafficking terrorists.

Both of these types of killings are wrong! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's absolutely no reason the military can't just target these boats engines and sweep in and arrest these drug traffickers. Sure, some traffickers may be killed in the process but the cold blooded extermination of these criminals would not be happening.

On another note I'm finding this forum becoming more and more like the far left fake news. The political garbage being posted on this forum is polluting and spamming many threads. Personally, I'm not finding this forum quite as an exciting place to be a member of as it once used to be.

[norman]

You can't make this up...

Pete Hegseth seems to think that blowing up people in boats is just a funny business...

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Disgusting? Yes, but not nearly as disgusting as thousands upon thousands of people jumping up and down for joy, laughing and celebrating the cold blooded assassination of Charlie Kirk on a US College Campus.

I find it extremely astonishing that many of the same people that are completely ok with killing people like Trump and Charlie Kirk are totally upset and find it wrong killing a few drug trafficking terrorists.

Both of these types of killings are wrong! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's absolutely no reason the military can't just target these boats engines and sweep in and arrest these drug traffickers. Sure, some traffickers may be killed in the process but the cold blooded extermination of these criminals would not be happening.

On another note I'm finding this forum becoming more and more like the far left fake news. The political garbage being posted on this forum is polluting and spamming many threads. Personally, I'm not finding this forum quite as an exciting place to be a member of as it once used to be.

And not as horrific as ritual abuse and Adrenochrome harvesting from terrified children.

[Mike]

You can't make this up...

Pete Hegseth seems to think that blowing up people in boats is just a funny business...

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Calling narco traffickers "people in boats" is kinda like calling Nazi U boat operators "people in submarines".

Rizotto the universe has given you yet another chance to develop a sense of humor and once again you've failed miserably. But at least you haven't found a way to blame the Jews for all this mess. Oh wait, you did! :)

@SilentFeathers: I agree with much of what you wrote except for the "disgusting" part. I'd replace that word with "glorious". When you consider the millions of Americans who've died and continue to die as the result of these drugs, and the soulless evil driving this sort of endeavor, a few narco demons getting blown up is a very very small price to pay.

I'd blow them all up if I could. I'd put them in one of those old navy vessels they use for firing practive and coral reef creation, launch dozens of missiles at it with red white and blue streamers coming out the back, and have a massive Uncle Sam drone show going on simultaneously in the sky while our national anthem blared from hundreds of surrounding speakers floating on red white and blue buoys. And I'd televise the event and make a national holiday out of it.

If these narco demons were killing millions of Americans with guns the general public would view it much differently. But for some reason when it's drugs it's tolerated. Not only that, but sympathy is extended to the murderers lol. Oy vey. It's all very worthy of the clown show thread.

[onawah]

The Trump Administration Is Deregulating Forever Chemicals
12/4/25
By Helen Santoro
https://organicconsumers.org/the-trump-administration-is-deregulating-forever-chemicals
ACTION ALERT!

"The Trump administration is taking steps to further deregulate dangerous “forever chemicals,” or PFAS, increasingly ubiquitous chemicals that don’t easily break down and are linked to a wide range of health risks, including cancer and birth defects.

While the Department of Health and Human Services’ Make America Healthy Again commission, headed by Robert F. Kennedy Jr, previously sounded the alarm about the dangers of pesticides, their recent “Make Our Children Healthy Again” plan doesn’t list pesticide reduction as one of its proposed public health solutions.

Amid industry lobbying, the Trump administration is taking steps to further deregulate dangerous “forever chemicals” — increasingly ubiquitous per- and polyfluoroalkyl chemicals (PFAS) that don’t easily break down and are linked to a wide range of health risks, including cancer and birth defects.

This move comes after President Donald Trump’s choice to head the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), former representative Lee Zeldin, recommended firing thousands of EPA scientists, tried to repeal dozens of pollution regulations, and filled the agency’s leadership with industry lobbyists and lawyers.

Just this month, the EPA moved to approve two PFAS-based pesticides for use on crops, including tomatoes, peas, and lettuce. Despite the chemicals’ known dangers, the EPA created a new web page to assure the public of the “robust, chemical-specific process” that the agency uses to approve any pesticide.

The agency’s chemical regulation office is currently headed by two former lobbyists who worked for the American Chemistry Council, which represents the chemical industry, and one former lobbyist for the American Soybean Association, which has openly advocated for pro-pesticide policies.

“To approve more PFAS pesticides amid the growing awareness of the serious, long-term dangers from these forever chemicals is absurdly shortsighted,” said Nathan Donely, environmental health science director at the Center for Biological Diversity, a nonprofit environmental advocacy group.

Decades of research have shown that PFAS exposure can lead to cancer, heart damage, hormone disruption, liver and thyroid problems, immune system suppression, reproductive issues, and abnormal fetal development. Over the years, law firms have filed more than 9,500 suits alleging PFAS harms, resulting in almost $17 billion in settlement payouts across 140 industries as of 2023.

The EPA also recently proposed relaxing a Biden-era rule that requires companies to report data on all products containing PFAS. If enacted, companies would no longer have to disclose information on PFAS that were used as a minor ingredient or were created for research or development purposes. The goal, the agency claims, is to make reporting regulations “more practical and implementable and reduce unnecessary, or potentially duplicative, reporting requirements for businesses.”

While the Department of Health and Human Services’ Make America Healthy Again commission, headed by Robert F. Kennedy Jr, previously sounded the alarm about the dangers of pesticides, their recent “Make Our Children Healthy Again” plan, which seeks to address the rising rate of childhood chronic diseases, doesn’t list pesticide reduction as one of its proposed public health solutions.

The EPA is already facing pushback for some of its recent PFAS decisions. On Tuesday, an environmental organization representing public employees appealed a federal-court decision that allows the EPA to avoid regulating PFAS in sewage sludge that’s sold to farmers as fertilizers.

Meanwhile, disclosures reveal several polluters and toxic chemical manufacturers have lobbied the EPA on forever chemicals in recent years. That includes the American Chemistry Council, which spent $600,000 last year lobbying the government on PFAS, among other issues.

This article was first published by the Lever, an award-winning independent investigative newsroom."
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EPA Approves Its Second ‘Forever Chemical’ Pesticide in Two Weeks
Organic Consumers Association <campaigns@organicconsumers.org>
The Center for Biological Diversity, Press Release:
12/4/25

“WASHINGTON— The Environmental Protection Agency today approved the highly persistent pesticide isocycloseram for golf courses, lawns and food crops such as oranges, tomatoes, almonds, peas, and oats. The pesticide is a ‘forever chemical’ — one of a group called PFAS, or perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl substances.

Today’s announcement marks the second approval of a PFAS pesticide since Trump took office, with the first approval coming just two weeks before. The administration plans to approve three more PFAS pesticides in the coming year.

‘To approve more PFAS pesticides amid the growing awareness of the serious, long-term dangers from these forever chemicals is absurdly shortsighted,’ said Nathan Donley, environmental health science director at the Center for Biological Diversity.”

Read how the undeniable reality is that the Trump administration is knowingly putting the nation’s children at greater risk of developing serious reproductive and liver harms for generations to come

TAKE ACTION: Tell Your State Legislators to Ban Toxic PFAS!
https://advocacy.organicconsumers.org/page/53935/action/1 "

Tell Your State Legislators to Ban PFAS Pesticides
Some industries are transitioning away from PFAS, the per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances known as "forever chemicals," but the pesticide industry is doubling down.

The Environmental Protection Agency has approved six new PFAS pesticides: Corteva-DowDuPont’s fluazaindolizine under President Biden, and Syngenta-ChemChina’s cyclobutrifluram and isocycloseram, Bayer-Monsanto’s diflufenican, BASF’s trifludimoxazin, and Sumitomo-Valent’s epyrifenacil under President Trump.

PFAS kills. There is scientific evidence that it causes cancer, kidney disease, birth defects, and liver damage, and batters the immune system.

TAKE ACTION: Tell Your State Legislators to Ban PFAS Pesticides!https://advocacy.organicconsumers.org/page/53935/action/1

[rgray222]

The Trump Administration Is Deregulating Forever Chemicals
12/4/25
By Helen Santoro
https://organicconsumers.org/the-trump-administration-is-deregulating-forever-chemicals
ACTION ALERT!

"The Trump administration is taking steps to further deregulate dangerous “forever chemicals,” or PFAS, increasingly ubiquitous chemicals that don’t easily break down and are linked to a wide range of health risks, including cancer and birth defects.


I would have to agree that this is not necessarily a good idea; most of Trump's "turnbacks" on regulations make sense. Such as rolling back the car mileage standard, but this change seems to be driven primarily to reduce regulatory burdens on small businesses and farmers. One of the president's primary roles, if not the only role, is to protect US citizens, and this fails in that respect.

[Rizotto]

The Trump, Israel, Venezuela connection. By Larry Wilkinson.

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[BMJ]

You can't make this up...

Pete Hegseth seems to think that blowing up people in boats is just a funny business...

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And so does President Trump !!!

OK, I DID ORDER THAT SECOND HELICOPTER SHARK ATTACK!!!🦈🇺🇸🤣🤣🤣

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When you have an unconventional war being waged against your country to " kill US citizens " via drugs, de industrialization, mass illegal immigration the destruction of the nuclear family and so on.

You in turn go to war and fight with every means you have available to you.

No excuses or apologize.

And having a little fun along the way why not, we should give these criminals the same level of respect that they have for us which is none.

WE'RE TAKING THOSE SONOFABITCHES OUT!!!💥🔥🔥🔥

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The stats speak for themself ...

BOOOOOOOM!!!💥🔥🔥🔥 —SINK 'EM ALL!!!🚤

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[BMJ]

President Trump On Minnesomalia

NO MORE MR. NICE BOSS!!!😎🇺🇸🔥🔥🔥

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On Ilhan Omar & Minnesomalia

THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!!!🔥😂😂😂

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[Rizotto]

This is a must watch. (for those able to think above the cartoonish level)

Napolitano, at 11:06: “If you go to the website of Trump’s drug enforcement administration and look up ‘Venezuela’, there is no significant, even detectable drug trafficking from Venezuela to the USA. And yet the government has attempted to perpetrate this deception on the American people, to the point of committing war crimes by killing non-combatant civilians on the high seas…”

Max Blumenthal points out polls indicating that only 13% of the american public support USA military strikes on Venezuela. Also, some interesting info about USA ally, Ecuador, links to the cocaine trade. International ramifications. Etc.

Max Blumenthal : The Venezuelan Deception.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJcNvtnEltU

[norman]

Speaking of rising above the fiction (and entrained misdirected empathics) . . . . .


Royal House of WE THE PEOPLE 12-2-2025 | Sheila Holm
Dec 3, 2025

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[Siphonemis]

You can't make this up...

Pete Hegseth seems to think that blowing up people in boats is just a funny business...

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Calling narco traffickers "people in boats" is kinda like calling Nazi U boat operators "people in submarines".

Rizotto the universe has given you yet another chance to develop a sense of humor and once again you've failed miserably. But at least you haven't found a way to blame the Jews for all this mess. Oh wait, you did! :)

@SilentFeathers: I agree with much of what you wrote except for the "disgusting" part. I'd replace that word with "glorious". When you consider the millions of Americans who've died and continue to die as the result of these drugs, and the soulless evil driving this sort of endeavor, a few narco demons getting blown up is a very very small price to pay.

I'd blow them all up if I could. I'd put them in one of those old navy vessels they use for firing practive and coral reef creation, launch dozens of missiles at it with red white and blue streamers coming out the back, and have a massive Uncle Sam drone show going on simultaneously in the sky while our national anthem blared from hundreds of surrounding speakers floating on red white and blue buoys. And I'd televise the event and make a national holiday out of it.

If these narco demons were killing millions of Americans with guns the general public would view it much differently. But for some reason when it's drugs it's tolerated. Not only that, but sympathy is extended to the murderers lol. Oy vey. It's all very worthy of the clown show thread.

Lmao :ROFL:@Mike, sir, these comedic descriptions of yours are increasingly on point.

[Rizotto]

Oh yeah, it's so funny to imagine slaughtering people you don't even know. Ya only need to push a button right? And any unfounded accusation is a good pretext for murder, right?

The current hype among some about Trump's planned regime change in Venezuela is the same hype as in 2002 for regime change in Iraq based on claims of 'weapons of mass destruction' that turned out not to exist. A million Iraquis were slaughtered, and thousands of USA marines came back in body bags. Just to control Iraqi oil, and Dick Cheney could land contracts for his Halliburton.

On the other hand, most people have now realized such trolling is only done by a small minority unconditionally worshipping the Trump administration.
The great majority have evolved beyond such stupidity.

[Rizotto]

https://www.rt.com/news/629082-hegseth-venezuela-drug-strikes/

Why the US War Secretary doesn’t want Venezuela ‘cartel’ strikes investigated
Ensuring your airstrikes are legal is for pansies, or so Pete Hegseth seems to think

by Rachel Marsden - December 5, 2025

Are there any adults left at the Pentagon to stop War Secretary Pete Hegseth (aka Kettlebell Kegseth) from unilaterally raining death on guys in boats and then making cartoons about it for social media?

“Franklin targets narco-terrorists,” Hegseth tweeted, featuring Franklin the turtle standing on a chopper and shoulder-firing missiles at motorboats. He then posted again, ostensibly defending Admiral Mitch Bradley while simultaneously giving him a tire-track massage by implying that it was actually Bradley calling the “double-tap” shots striking “drug boats” and then liquidating any remaining flailing survivors.

Apparently, we’re supposed to ignore reports that Hegseth’s order was to “kill everyone.” That includes anyone still alive after any ostensible 'threat' – 'Venezuelan' boats allegedly carrying 'pre-workout' substances, in gym-bro parlance – had been neutralized. Somehow, this administration is shocked that we might want to investigate what’s really going on here and not just take their word for it.

It appears that Hegseth gave the order and Bradley followed it. Which is exactly what a bunch of former Democratic national security officials warned against: don’t follow unconstitutional orders. Trump’s been talking like they should be executed for treason. He actually hasn’t said how. Maybe by gifting them a cruise from Venezuela to America.

Was a Pentagon lawyer involved in assessing the legality of these attacks? Maybe, but apparently lawyering is for pansies when national security is at stake, and the president has the ability to order limited strikes. Fine. Then at least show quantifiable evidence that these rushed strikes directly help US national security. I’ll wait.

Several boaters have been droned in the name of Trump’s 'war on drugs,' conveniently aimed at one country – specifically Venezuela – that just happens to have all the oil and other resources Trump has mused about grabbing. Meanwhile, drug-plagued American neighborhoods go mostly unscathed. Because, apparently, bros in the hood don’t have oil.

If they droned the bros at home, it would be illegal – but technically no more illegal than what they’re doing in open waters off Latin America. At least in the US, we’d know who the targets were. Out there, it’s a mystery.

The government says, “Trust us, they’re bad guys.” Sorry, but MAGA populism was built on distrust in the establishment and the demand for accountability. Now, pro-Trump factions are all-in for concentrating extrajudicial power in the executive branch.

Usually, accused drug dealers get trials. Even guilty ones don’t get death squads. But according to the editor of one pro-Trump media outlet, Hegseth’s critics have “forgotten the biblical purpose of government – to bear the sword, and be a terror to evildoers. They don’t know what good and evil look like, and they don’t know what actual justice looks like.”

Call me crazy, but I thought that justice looked like due process. But apparently we’re now back to 200 AD. And these “evildoers”? Who even knows who they are, or what they’re doing on these boats, let alone whether they’re “evil.” This sounds straight out of the neocons’ playbook for the Global War On Terror, some of whom have now opportunistically rebranded themselves for MAGA-populist fun time.

These blowhards claiming to know justice…don’t. Justice requires a trial. But trials are for weaklings. Real men deliver 'no fatties' lectures to generals between vodka swigs while verbally berating anyone calling for a brake on their murderous enthusiasm.

They see no need for due process because it’s a 'war' – except that it’s not legally a war, no matter the attempt at rebranding cartel activity. We don’t even know if the boaters were involved in any gunplay or drug trafficking. No receipts. Is boarding the boats, questioning those aboard, seizing any cargo as proof of assertions, and sparing survivors too inconvenient for the narrative?

International law is clear: under the Geneva Conventions, ratified by the US, “murder of persons not taking part in hostilities” is prohibited. That includes civilians. Especially once rendered harmless. Unlawful enemy combatants are liquidatable, but only if there’s an actual war with a battlefield. Which there isn’t. Team Trump doesn’t even seem interested in making that argument legally convincing – just repeating their marketing rhetoric.

These tactics give America the vibe of a failed state. Picture Haiti: US-backed puppet government, gangs running the show, drones deployed in a nationwide turf war – but still obligated to follow rules of proportionality and engagement at the risk of committing war crimes. Why can’t the US manage to follow even the most basic rules of engagement in a far less dangerous or complex situation?

A bipartisan Congress wants answers. Guess we’re about to find out what the Pentagon lawyers have to say – and whether Hegseth only consulted them after pratfalling across the world stage like a frat bro in untied combat boots.

Now, the US, global law-and-order lecturer, has the chance to prove that it can investigate its own alleged war crimes. After all, it’s this precise justification that’s always given why Washington should be able to dodge The Hague’s International Criminal Court jurisdiction.

Poor Pete. Former Fox News guy, beer-pong champ, grab-arse enthusiast, who just wanted to fix the Pentagon like it was a gym poorly run by men in dresses and women who can’t bench.

Guess he’s about to learn that there’s a bit more to the gig than that. And why letting gym bros run the strategic decision-making is a really, really bad idea.

[rgray222]

https://www.rt.com/news/629082-hegseth-venezuela-drug-strikes/

Why the US War Secretary doesn’t want Venezuela ‘cartel’ strikes investigated
Ensuring your airstrikes are legal is for pansies, or so Pete Hegseth seems to think

by Rachel Marsden - December 5, 2025

Are there any adults left at the Pentagon to stop War Secretary Pete Hegseth (aka Kettlebell Kegseth) from unilaterally raining death on guys in boats and then making cartoons about it for social media?

This article makes it sound like it is a bad thing that Hegseth doesn't want the strikes on "Cartel Boats" investigated. Of course, he doesn't, neither would Obama or Biden if they ordered the strikes. The entire question of legality comes down to lethal force being necessary only when there is an imminent threat to human life. If you feel confident that these go-fast boats were carrying drugs and those drugs would have eminently killed people, then you can make a case; otherwise, it would be illegal. I think Hegseth has plenty of precedent and truth on his side. In a fair court hearing, it would be a non-starter.

I have no idea why people did not raise the alarm when Obama turned a wedding into a funeral (https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/02/19/wedding-became-funeral/us-drone-attack-marriage-procession-yemen). Not only did Obama double-tap this wedding with two missiles, but he did it twice with four missiles.

I have no idea why people showed no concern for the deaths that were caused by the Biden's open border policy. Here is what a quick search reveals. More than 2,700 migrants were confirmed dead between fiscal years 2021 and 2024 during President Joe Biden's administration. In fiscal year 2022 alone, Border Patrol reported nearly 900 deaths along the border, marking it as one of the deadliest years on record. The United Nations recorded 728 migrant fatalities in 2021, the highest annual number since it began tracking in 2014, and counted 340 more by mid-2022, indicating a similarly deadly trend. Some sources cite a figure of 853 migrant deaths in 2022, while others note that over 1,000 fatalities had occurred since Biden took office by mid-2022. The actual death toll is believed to be higher due to unrecorded or unidentified remains.

I only bring up the Obama and Biden murders because the hypocrisy of those complaining about military strikes on declared terrorists in drug boats is pure bombastic bull****.

Go-fast boats - A go-fast boat is a small, high-speed powerboat characterized by a long, narrow planing hull designed to achieve rapid acceleration and high top speeds, primarily to evade law enforcement during illicit operations such as drug smuggling. These vessels are typically 30 to 50 feet in length with a narrow beam, enabling agility in open waters and confined channels. Their design is based on offshore racing hulls, particularly the deep "V" style with hard chines and broad transoms, which optimizes hydrodynamic efficiency, stability at speed, and wave penetration while minimizing drag once on plane. Go-fast boats are constructed using lightweight materials such as fiberglass, Kevlar, and carbon fiber, allowing them to maintain a high power-to-weight ratio while avoiding detection.

These boats are distinctive and extremely difficult to misread, especially with sophisticated surveillance gear.

[SilentFeathers]

https://www.rt.com/news/629082-hegseth-venezuela-drug-strikes/

Why the US War Secretary doesn’t want Venezuela ‘cartel’ strikes investigated
Ensuring your airstrikes are legal is for pansies, or so Pete Hegseth seems to think

by Rachel Marsden - December 5, 2025

Are there any adults left at the Pentagon to stop War Secretary Pete Hegseth (aka Kettlebell Kegseth) from unilaterally raining death on guys in boats and then making cartoons about it for social media?

This article makes it sound like it is a bad thing that Hegseth doesn't want the strikes on "Cartel Boats" investigated. Of course, he doesn't, neither would Obama or Biden if they ordered the strikes. The entire question of legality comes down to lethal force being necessary only when there is an imminent threat to human life. If you feel confident that these go-fast boats were carrying drugs and those drugs would have eminently killed people, then you can make a case; otherwise, it would be illegal. I think Hegseth has plenty of precedent and truth on his side. In a fair court hearing, it would be a non-starter.

I have no idea why people did not raise the alarm when Obama turned a wedding into a funeral (https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/02/19/wedding-became-funeral/us-drone-attack-marriage-procession-yemen). Not only did Obama double-tap this wedding with two missiles, but he did it twice with four missiles.

I have no idea why people showed no concern for the deaths that were caused by the Biden's open border policy. Here is what a quick search reveals. More than 2,700 migrants were confirmed dead between fiscal years 2021 and 2024 during President Joe Biden's administration. In fiscal year 2022 alone, Border Patrol reported nearly 900 deaths along the border, marking it as one of the deadliest years on record. The United Nations recorded 728 migrant fatalities in 2021, the highest annual number since it began tracking in 2014, and counted 340 more by mid-2022, indicating a similarly deadly trend. Some sources cite a figure of 853 migrant deaths in 2022, while others note that over 1,000 fatalities had occurred since Biden took office by mid-2022. The actual death toll is believed to be higher due to unrecorded or unidentified remains.

I only bring up the Obama and Biden murders because the hypocrisy of those complaining about military strikes on declared terrorists in drug boats is pure bombastic bull****.

Go-fast boats - A go-fast boat is a small, high-speed powerboat characterized by a long, narrow planing hull designed to achieve rapid acceleration and high top speeds, primarily to evade law enforcement during illicit operations such as drug smuggling. These vessels are typically 30 to 50 feet in length with a narrow beam, enabling agility in open waters and confined channels. Their design is based on offshore racing hulls, particularly the deep "V" style with hard chines and broad transoms, which optimizes hydrodynamic efficiency, stability at speed, and wave penetration while minimizing drag once on plane. Go-fast boats are constructed using lightweight materials such as fiberglass, Kevlar, and carbon fiber, allowing them to maintain a high power-to-weight ratio while avoiding detection.

These boats are distinctive and extremely difficult to misread, especially with sophisticated surveillance gear.

Many of the same people screaming for Hegseth to be tried for war crimes are the same people who celebrated Charlie Kirks assassination, are still calling for Trump to be assassinated, and also are fine with murderers and rapists being released from jail with no bail so they can continue on with their crime spree. They also don't give a damn about mutilating the genitals of children or tearing them piece by piece out of a pregnant mothers womb at 9 months. These people are mentally disturbed, deranged, demonic, and are truly a threat to the future of humanity.

Now they are siding with the drug trafficking terrorists, which is no surprise....

[Rizotto]

Remember, Charlie Kirk was opposed to starting foreign wars... Which is what these USA attacks on Venezuelan boats are about.

Trump has openly declared that he wants Venezuela's president Maduro removed from power, and Trump wants to install Machado who by sheer coincidence has a pro-Israeli agenda.

I'm at the point of concluding that only psychopathic zionists would try to present these murdered as 'proven narco terrorists'. The Trump regime has not provided any evidence of such, and all of you zionists above have not even tried to provide any proof.

I know it's a waste of time to discuss anything with trolling zionists.
So, for the reasonable folks out here, a word from one of the more sane person in congress, Rand Paul:

"Labeling people “narco-terrorists” without proof just to justify killing them is not the law. It’s lunacy. This policy risks dragging America into another foreign war.
We need transparency, oversight, and respect for the Constitution."
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[Rizotto]

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/12/04/murder-for-christmas/

Murder for Christmas?

By Andrew P. Napolitano - December 4, 2025

By ordering the annihilation of people in speedboats in the Caribbean, Trump and Hegseth have assumed powers that numerous laws forbid, writes Andrew P. Napolitano.

When Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth posted a meme of Franklin the Turtle, the amiable child’s cartoon character, in a helicopter using a military weapon to kill people in a small boat below him, and captioned it “For your Christmas wish list,” it understandably caused an uproar.

Should the secretary of defense be mocking the people his troops have killed? Should he engage a child’s cartoon character to produce this mockery? Should anyone in his right mind, who professes to understand Christianity, suggest that this killing should be on a child’s Christmas wish list? Should he be killing nonviolent boat people?

Here is the back story.

President Donald Trump has ordered the Department of Defense to annihilate persons in speedboats in the Caribbean Sea, 1,500 miles from the United States and elsewhere.

The true targets of these killings are not the boats but the persons in the boats. We know this because the president has stated so, and because in a particularly gruesome event, two survivors of an initial attack on Sept. 2 who were clinging to the broken remains of their boat hoping to be rescued, were hit with a second attack, which obliterated them.

[Articles of impeachment are to come against Hegseth.]

Based on evidence he says he has and chooses not to share, Trump has designated these folks in the speedboats as “narco-terrorists” and argued that his designation offers him legal authority to kill them.

But “narco-terrorist” is a political phrase, not a legal one. There is no such designation or defined term in American law. Labeling them confers no additional legal authority.

Lawyers in the Office of Legal Counsel of the Department of Justice who advise the attorney general on the meaning of the law have apparently authored a legal opinion informing her that she can tell the president what he wants to hear; that it is lawful to kill these boat people.

This is the same office that told President George W. Bush that he could legally torture prisoners and President Barack Obama that he could legally kill unindicted Americans — including a child — overseas.

Neither the president nor the attorney general will produce this legal opinion for public scrutiny.

These killings constitute murder under federal law and under international law, and persons who use the force of government to commit murder may themselves be prosecuted for it in U.S. courts, courts of the countries from which their victims came, and in international courts.

These killings constitute murder because none of the 81 dead boat people was engaged in any violence at the times of their deaths.

It doesn’t matter, Trump has claimed, just look at the numbers of drug deaths in the U.S., they are “way down.” Does the president believe that murder is justified by a diminution in drug deaths?

Drug distribution is not a capital offence. If the police see a nonviolent person distributing dangerous drugs in an American city, can they summarily kill that person? Of course not.

Outside of a legally declared war in which U.S. military personnel are engaged in legally killing armed military personnel of the country with which the U.S. is at war, the Constitution requires due process — a fair jury trial with its attendant protections — whenever the government wants to take life, liberty or property from any person.

The controversy over Trump’s killings was rubbed raw recently when six members of Congress — all military or intelligence community veterans — produced a video making accurate statements in which they advised members of the military that they are required to disobey illegal orders.

The six declined to back down when the president accused them of sedition and treason and threatened them with death.

Sedition is the advocacy of violence intended to overthrow the federal government. Treason is waging war against the United States or providing aid and comfort to those doing so. Neither crime is even remotely implicated by the video. The video is protected speech which accurately reflects the law.

Trump was unclear if by “death” he meant the DOJ would charge the six with a capital crime and seek the death penalty, or he’d just order the DOD to murder them.

Unfortunately, none of the six was willing to finish the debate they started and state just what illegal orders should be disobeyed. They know that an order to kill an unarmed civilian is an illegal order. It is an order to commit murder, and it ought to be disobeyed. A child can tell you this from her heart.

It gets worse.

The Washington Post reported that seven sources — seven — informed its reporters that when military personnel saw two boat survivors floating at sea, they asked the chain of command what to do. Under the law, the military had a duty to rescue the folks they tried and failed to murder.

These seven persons have corroborated that Hegseth verbally ordered that the two survivors be killed — an order he denies having given, but which the White House has confirmed, laughably calling it “self-defense.”

That’s when Hegseth posted his macabre, revolting, anti-Christian suggestion of murder for Christmas.

What’s going on here?

Both President Trump and Secretary Hegseth have taken an oath to preserve the Constitution of the United States.

In their unbridled zeal to rid the country of illicit drugs — not a military responsibility — they have rejected the words and values of the Constitution and assumed to themselves powers that international law, federal laws, state laws and the natural law all expressly forbid — the knowing extrajudicial homicide of nonviolent persons.

But they are not the only culprits here. Where is the Congress to reign in a president who ignores well-settled constitutional norms and his quick-draw defense secretary who calls rules of engagement “stupid”?

Where is the public outrage?

Does the government not recognize any constitutional or legal limits on its powers?

[Rizotto]

Libertarian Party of Louisiana

December 3, 2025 (facebook post)

The United States government has murdered more than 80 people in its recent military campaign against those it claims were transporting drugs. These killings are not battlefield engagements. These strikes are preemptive executions carried out without evidence, without due process, and without any meaningful threat to the American people.
In one of these attacks, multiple credible sources report the U.S. military killed shipwrecked survivors who had already been rendered defenseless. After the initial missile strike destroyed their boat, wounded men were seen clinging to debris. A second strike was launched, killing the survivors.
There is no moral framework under which this is anything but murder.
International humanitarian law is explicit: it is illegal to attack noncombatants, the wounded, the shipwrecked, or anyone rendered defenseless who poses no threat. The U.S. has codified these same rules in its own military law. Killing survivors has no justification under "self-defense."
Importantly, this is not a battlefield. A small vessel allegedly carrying drugs is not a military threat to a U.S. carrier strike group. It is a group of drug suspects, nothing more.
According to extensive reporting by multiple National outlets, the follow-up strike was carried out after a verbal directive "to kill everybody," reported to have come from "Secretary of War," Pete Hegseth.
The White House at the time defended the alleged directive as being well within their "authority and the law."
However, after public outrage, the administration attempted to walk this back, claiming Hegseth never gave such an order- despite having previously defended it.
Hegseth himself has tried to downplay the killings, saying he "did not see" the survivors when calling for a lethal follow-up strike, while Pentagon spokespeople debate technical definitions of "double-tap."
None of this changes the facts: Killing wounded shipwrecked survivors who are not an active threat is murder.
When lawmakers raised concerns about the legality of these strikes, President Trump responded not with transparency or accountability, but with threats. He suggested that the death penalty would be appropriate for members of Congress who oppose such illegal orders. He circulated rhetoric implying that Democratic lawmakers opposing unlawful military actions should be hanged to death. Meanwhile, Hegseth’s own response to the killings was not remorse but memes a mockery.
This shows that, under the "Department of War," we have a military culture that enjoys killing and rejects accountability.
The administration claims these killings save lives by stopping cocaine. Yet during this time, President Trump pardoned a man convicted of smuggling 400 tons of cocaine into the United States.
This is not about drugs.
This is about unchecked governmental power.
By inventing the term "narco-terrorists," the White House claims the right to kill anyone they accuse without trial, without evidence, and without accountability.
Libertarians want to scale back the state, not grant it the right to murder.
The Libertarian stance is clear: End the war on drugs, don’t escalate it into a literal war.
The United States cannot bomb its way out of a drug problem. It cannot murder its way to sobriety. And no government has the moral authority to execute people it merely accuses of wrongdoing.
Military strikes against civilians were wrong under Bush, wrong under Obama, wrong under Biden, and wrong under Trump – no matter the President, no matter the Party, the military is there for our defense, not to act as an aggressively murderous world police force.
The answer to illegal orders is to obey the law, not the orders.
The solution to drugs is freedom, not war.

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[Mike]

Remember, Charlie Kirk was opposed to starting foreign wars... Which is what these USA attacks on Venezuelan boats are about.

Trump has openly declared that he wants President Maduro removed from power, and Trump wants to install Machado who by sheer coincidence has a pro-Israeli agenda.


She's also by "sheer coincidence" a fan of democracy, free markets, personal liberties, is openly anti-communist, and opposes narco states run by authoritarian strongmen. But that probably has nothing to do with it.

[Rizotto]

Let Venezuelans sort out who they want for president. Nothing good has ever come form USA regime change wars. Look at the horrors in Iraq, Syria, Lybia, Iran, following USA 'interventions'.
The dangerous presumptions of the Trump regime, that they can label anyone they wish as 'terrorist', and that gives them the right to eliminate them, without providing any evidence of wrongdoing. This is dangerous to americans, and dangerous to the world.

COL. Lawrence Wilkerson : The Consequences of Attempted Regime Change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EF07zR1MzA

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"The Grayzone is joined by Wyatt Reed to cover the contested Honduran election, then Kit Klarenberg joins to discuss his blockbuster report on the British DSMA censorship regime, and Judge Andrew Napolitano closes out with his critique of Pete Hegseth's policy of attacking civilians accused of trafficking drugs in the Caribbean."
Dept of War Crimes - The Grayzone live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-yermUUGD8

[jaybee]

Many of the same people screaming for Hegseth to be tried for war crimes are the same people who celebrated Charlie Kirks assassination, are still calling for Trump to be assassinated, and also are fine with murderers and rapists being released from jail with no bail so they can continue on with their crime spree. They also don't give a damn about mutilating the genitals of children or tearing them piece by piece out of a pregnant mothers womb at 9 months. These people are mentally disturbed, deranged, demonic, and are truly a threat to the future of humanity.

Now they are siding with the drug trafficking terrorists, which is no surprise....


Bolded above......... :(

FENTANYL KILLS: Lauren Cole's Story - episode 192

Texas Pictures Documentaries (31:03)

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quote from transcript.....


25:41
dying she had no idea what she was getting she thought she was getting heroin and they sold her 100% fentanyl and she died instantly they said enough to kill six of her if we don't think that it's going to continue to grow uh

......I mean it's a direct attack on the United States the cartels have actually put a bullseye on us and they're attacking our youth it's the number one killer of 14 to 45 year olds there's not anything even close to it you're not going to stop kids from experimenting so a mistake you should learn from not die from and they're dying from it and again it's it's so broad again it's not just those suffering from addiction it's those who recreationally do things it's those that do it for one time one bad decision one weak moment one impulsive decision and they can lose their life over it so we have to talk about it the last thing we want is another family to live their lives the way we do now..... she would say I'm so sorry

the comments underneath the video on YT site are heartbreaking and educational....

this is just one of them...



My son TJ passed away 6 years ago from a fentanyl overdose. I found him in the bathroom with the shower running. Trevor was slumped over the toilet, white as a ghost, ice cold, lips blue. My son was gone. Trevor was a straight A student and bass player in his band. So smart , full of life. Trevor was diagnosed with bipolar disorder at 16. 8 rehabs in 10 years. RIP Trevor ❤.

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I have a friend who 30 years ago was saying that heroin was being used as a weapon to attack the fabric of society - targeting young people ..... and fentanyl is said to be much worse than heroin......

We also have the 'little' matter of the Deep State Globalist's World wide election rigging via Voting Machines like Smartmatic? with Venezuela a potential hub for all that - and as many American Politicians must have benefitted from that election rigging - they are hardly likely to bite the hand that metaphorically fed them....

The Anti Trump PSYOP is ramping up....

[ThePythonicCow]

Anyone above who is concluding that any of the parties, either individuals or organizations, are "good", "mixed bag" or "evil", and that certain their acts are so monstrous that we have a moral imperative to act with the initiative and decisiveness that we would respond if such acts were being conducted in our immediate presence and considerable awareness (e.g. -- shooting to kill or immediately disable someone who is butchering and rapidly killing right before us without cause ourselves or some good member of our family) is caught up in the drama being played before us, which drama often works to destroy our selves, our families, our communities, and our civilization.

Tend to what we know, first hand, and perhaps follow the deliberately chaotic drama on the Big State, that we might individually guide our lives as best we can while we each navigate this giant sh*t storm.

But quit treating others here or in your personal lives like they were complicit in some evil threat in the drama "on the stage" and deserve our high praise or deep scorn if they don't react (in your view) the "proper" way to that threat.

We don't know what the heaven or hell is really going on behind the drama. Nor do you, who castigate us for not responding "properly" to what you think is going on, know what the heaven or hell is going on. Work with us to make sense of things, rather than attacking us for being complicit with "crimes against humanity" (according to one thread in that massive, in time, scope and intent) sh*t storm. You who shout at us Do Not Know, any more than we know. Chill out. Help us row, or at least quit accusing us, with incessant angry shouts, that we are complicit with one of the evil sounding interpretations of one of the tangled threads in your particular view of what the heck is going on. You Do Not Know. Stirring up fear and anger on the basis of one of the threads in this high drama more often than not contributes more to the agenda of the evil doers. Chill out.

[ThePythonicCow]

The Anti Trump PSYOP is ramping up....yet again ...

[ThePythonicCow]

You Do Not Know. Stirring up fear and anger on the basis of one of the threads in this high drama more often than not contributes more to the agenda of the evil doers. Chill out.
For that matter, I Do Not Know Either..

We gather here, on this forum, to work with each other, with respect, kindness, and maybe a bit of humor, to assist each other, and to "try to figure sh*t out". Sometimes we're right in what we figure is really going on "out there", behind the "curtain". Sometimes we're wrong. We might miss a "big issue." We might get distracted by minor stuff.

We pretty much all agree that some portion of the "big drama" we see "in the large" is fake and gay ... whether that's 9% or 99.9% that's fake is not known and generally agreed to.

We also pretty much agree that some serious evil, largely hidden from us, works behind some, perhaps much of, the powerful actors and major events we see "out there" in our civilization.

However, chronically angry and abrasive posting harms the discussion, harms the forum, and harms the sharing of personal support and shared considerations.

[Rizotto]

Personally I don't approve of any extra-judicial assassinations, or attempted assassinations, whether it be JFK, Yitzhak Rabin, Charlie Kirk, Saddam Hussein, Donald Trump, Muammar Gaddafi, Venezuelans in boats, Hassan Nasrallah, Salvator Allende, RFK, Maduro, Qasem Soleimani, Michael Hastings, etc. etc. etc.

Assassinations never solve anything, they only make the world worse.

[Rizotto]

Has anybody here actually seen Trump produce any proof of Venezuela drug smuggling?
If so, please kindly post such proof in this thread, which is about Trump's presidency.
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https://www.rt.com/news/628844-trump-land-strikes-cartels/

Trump announces ‘land strikes’ against drug cartels (VIDEO)
The US military has conducted a number of deadly attacks on boats it claims were linked to Venezuelan-led narcotics smuggling

The US will soon start bombing alleged drug cartel targets on land, US President Donald Trump told reporters in a cabinet meeting on Tuesday.

The announcement comes amid a massive US military buildup in the Caribbean, which Washington says is aimed at curbing Venezuelan-led drug trafficking. Caracas has denied the accusations, arguing that the US is using them as a pretext to justify invading the resource-rich South American nation.

In recent months, Washington has killed more than 80 people in strikes on boats in the Caribbean and Pacific that it claims were smuggling narcotics.

“And we’re going to start doing those strikes on land, too. You know, the land is much easier,” Trump said at the White House. “We’re going to start that very soon.”

He did not expand on where or when the strikes would take place.

READ MORE: US legislators demand probe into Trump’s ‘drug boat’ strikes
Asked to elaborate, Trump added that Washington could expand the strikes to any country allegedly smuggling drugs into the US, specifically mentioning Colombia.

“Anybody that’s doing that and selling it into our country is subject to attack,” he said.

The US military deployment in the Caribbean waters off Venezuela, which has now reportedly reached upwards of 16,000 personnel, has been accompanied by increasing political pressure on Caracas.

In recent months, Washington has offered a $50 million bounty for information leading to the capture of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, and greenlit clandestine CIA operations in his country.

Maduro has denied the drug trafficking allegations, accusing the US of “fabricating a new war” and regime-change operation aimed at seizing Venezuela’s vast resource reserves.

[jaybee]

Personally I don't approve of any extra-judicial assassinations, or attempted assassinations, whether it be JFK, Yitzhak Rabin, Charlie Kirk, Saddam Hussein, Donald Trump, Muammar Gaddafi, Venezuelans in boats, Hassan Nasrallah, Salvator Allende, RFK, Maduro, Qasem Soleimani, Michael Hastings, etc. etc. etc.

Assassinations never solve anything, they only make the world worse.


but you're ok with the 'judicial' ones.....?

I'm teasing.... :whistle:

:thumbsup:

[ThePythonicCow]

Regarding Venezuela, as best as I can figure:

Venezuela has gone from being one of the more prosperous American nations, to being a gang infested globalist outpost which has been:
Sending its election corruption mechanisms and machines to some 70 nations, including the U.S. ("2020 - it's not over yet"),
Dumping its prisons onto U.S. streets, as part of the mass immigration of into the U.S. of immigrants hostile to American culture,
Providing a major outpost in the Americas of globalist banking money laundering, and
Providing a major revenue source to the globalist banking system with its petro exports.

This is a world war between the globalists who would enslave and harvest humanity, and the various nations and cultures that promote the well being of their people.

We, the humans on this wonderful planet, must win this war. Venezuela is one front on this war.

Those who rage against Trump and the portions of his administration who conduct this effort against Venezuela's current regime often do so because just going after alleged drug trafficking intermediaries is not, in their view, an acceptable reason to sink ships at sea, summarily killing those onboard. Those same people, who would not hesitate to call Trump a liar at other times, will this time accept at face value a primary public reason given for conducting this operation, and cast judgement based on that.

Whether or not the Venezuelan operation is more than justified, or yet more evil, is simply not something we have a snow ball's changed in Hades of knowing with certainty. But if things are as I currently understand them, this operation must be pursued to its successful conclusion, and such rage against it as I see in some posts above serves a globalists agenda to divide and defeat any opposition to their evil plans.

If by some bizarre turn of events, success in this global war were to hinge on whether or not I was killed, then let me know where to send my exact location, so that whatever bullet, bomb or drone is tasked with killing me can be forthwith guided to its target.

Back to a more likely turn of events, may Venezuela return to being a prosperous and honorable nation in the Americas, after their globalist imposed tyrants are deposed somehow.

I am not suited, neither sufficiently wise nor reliably informed, to sit in final judgement on this conflict, and I may well in hind sight conclude that I was woefully ignorant ... such would not be the first time. But that's how it looks from where I sit, for now at least.

Yes, there is a long history of the globalists using the U.S. as it "hired gun", its enforcer, across the world, costing millions their lives. But there is also a long history of the globalists using of the globalists using drugs, political and monetary fraud, human trafficking, and mass immigration of hostile aliens to destroy nations that would oppose their tyranny.

As has been observed before: "The first casualty of war is the truth."

[ThePythonicCow]

Regarding Venezuela, as best as I can figure:

...

To add to this list, Venezuela has been instrumental in bribing major U.S. politicians, to encourage their treason.

Quoting from a tweet by @JoshHall2024 on X (https://x.com/JoshHall2024/status/1997391603900801204):


BREAKING: Venezuela’s former intelligence leader Hugo Carvajal has CONFIRMED that Democrat Senator Adam Schiff and Democrat Congressman Eric Swalwell, both of California, are two of the top names on the VENEZUELA LIST of US politicians that are receiving MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN KICKBACKS AND LAVISH GIFTS from the Maduro regime and Venezuelan drug trafficking organizations in exchange for using their official power as a means of undermining the Trump administration’s ongoing war against these narcoterrorists.

They literally have the blood of hundreds of thousands of Americans who are dying from drug overdoses every year as a result of the deadly drugs that these criminal organizations are trafficking into our country on their hands.

This is textbook TREASON and AIDING AND ABETTING THE ENEMY during a time of war while assisting in the deaths of our own American citizens. All for personal wealth and financial gain. Schiff has reportedly had a multi-million dollar vacation home purchased for him by the Venezuelan government on the California coast while Swalwell has received luxurious items including gold bars and diamond jewelry in exchange for his treason.

The dollar value that these two Benedict Arnolds have racked up is well in to the MILLIONS, according to Carvajal. He is in federal prison now in the US and EXPOSING EVERYTHING. This isn’t about a war crime… This is a distraction and a “cover your ass” operation by the Deep State thugs who have been taking bribes from the enemy at our country’s expense.

Pam Blondi: Get off of Fox News and start issuing indictments or step aside for an Attorney General who will… LOCK THEM ALL UP!

[Jaak]

They literally have the blood of hundreds of thousands of Americans who are dying from drug overdoses every year as a result of the deadly drugs that these criminal organizations are trafficking into our country on their hands.



Sounds like emotional manipulation . 95% of the drugs in USA comes from Mexico,including fentanyl which is the biggest troublemaker. You can legally order ingredients from China , mix them together and sell the fentanyl for 10x or 20x that u payd for.
How many drugs come from Venezuela to USA ? Almost nothing . They do drug traffic into neighbouring countries but mainly coke and no fentanyl.
USA killing drug traffickers close to Venezuela wont affect USA. Fentanyl will still come in from China->Mexico so what is the point ?
Maybe zio-Don and his jew maffia buddies want to take over the drug market in south america or take out their competition ? Just like they did with energy market of EU ...
I would believe that version more than that Zio-don and his hebrew mafia are fighting globalists in Venezuela ...

[BMJ]

Trump's Warning To Europe: Civilizational Erasure

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Promethean Updates
Dec 7, 2025

Summary:
00:00 The Saturday Wrap-Up - Trump's Warning To Europe: Civilizational Erasure - December 6, 2025
04:00 A True American First Foreign Policy
09:11 Europe's Censorship Regime vs. American Freedom
10:56 From Endless Wars to Economic Partnerships

Early Friday morning, the White House quietly released a 33-page national security document that redefines America's role on the global stage. This document marks a dramatic shift from 34 years of globalist foreign policy, dating back to the Soviet Union's collapse.

The new strategy focuses on ending overseas intervention unless directly tied to U.S interests, with a prioritization of American economic superiority and reindustrialization. It calls for strict immigration controls, a robust military, and a focus on domestic infrastructure against natural disasters.

The strategy has prompted substantial backlash from global leaders and media alike, who view it as a threat to the established order. Barbara Boyd explains the significance of this revolutionary document, its potential implications for global politics, and the ensuing resistance from both domestic and international entities. Tune in to understand Trump's vision for America's future and why it's causing such a stir.

🔗 NATIONAL SECURITY STRATEGY 2025 Document https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf


In this image below feel free to replace the word Europe with the name of your country.

[gini]

This is a debate about the theme wich is also a big part of the discussion on this thread ,is Trump really fighting the globalist or is he in bed with them?--part 1 -wfcLH85dQcQ ´IS TRUMP REALLY AGAINST WAR? ´| With Alex Christoforou & Susan Kokinda. 3e86dDb8Hgw -5/12/25-part 2

[Rizotto]

Regarding Venezuela, as best as I can figure:

Venezuela has gone from being one of the more prosperous American nations, to being a gang infested globalist outpost which has been:
Sending its election corruption mechanisms and machines to some 70 nations, including the U.S. ("2020 - it's not over yet"),
Dumping its prisons onto U.S. streets, as part of the mass immigration of into the U.S. of immigrants hostile to American culture,
Providing a major outpost in the Americas of globalist banking money laundering, and
Providing a major revenue source to the globalist banking system with its petro exports.

This is a world war between the globalists who would enslave and harvest humanity, and the various nations and cultures that promote the well being of their people.

We, the humans on this wonderful planet, must win this war. Venezuela is one front on this war.

Those who rage against Trump and the portions of his administration who conduct this effort against Venezuela's current regime often do so because just going after alleged drug trafficking intermediaries is not, in their view, an acceptable reason to sink ships at sea, summarily killing those onboard. Those same people, who would not hesitate to call Trump a liar at other times, will this time accept at face value a primary public reason given for conducting this operation, and cast judgement based on that.

Whether or not the Venezuelan operation is more than justified, or yet more evil, is simply not something we have a snow ball's changed in Hades of knowing with certainty. But if things are as I currently understand them, this operation must be pursued to its successful conclusion, and such rage against it as I see in some posts above serves a globalists agenda to divide and defeat any opposition to their evil plans.

If by some bizarre turn of events, success in this global war were to hinge on whether or not I was killed, then let me know where to send my exact location, so that whatever bullet, bomb or drone is tasked with killing me can be forthwith guided to its target.

Back to a more likely turn of events, may Venezuela return to being a prosperous and honorable nation in the Americas, after their globalist imposed tyrants are deposed somehow.

I am not suited, neither sufficiently wise nor reliably informed, to sit in final judgement on this conflict, and I may well in hind sight conclude that I was woefully ignorant ... such would not be the first time. But that's how it looks from where I sit, for now at least.

Yes, there is a long history of the globalists using the U.S. as it "hired gun", its enforcer, across the world, costing millions their lives. But there is also a long history of the globalists using of the globalists using drugs, political and monetary fraud, human trafficking, and mass immigration of hostile aliens to destroy nations that would oppose their tyranny.

As has been observed before: "The first casualty of war is the truth."

The USA has a long history of regime change wars on the pretext that this or that country political system is bad, their banking is bad, or their people are bad.
The one thing these countries have in common is that they have rich resources which the USA wants to take control of.
The mass immigration problem in USA was because of Biden's OPEN BORDERS, not because of Venezuela. These illegal migrants originated from many other countries, not necessarily Venezuela. It's good of Trump to have closed the borders, and deported the illegal migrants. He should focus on finishing up that job.

Trump's promises of no more foreign wars and the release of the Epstein files is what garnered him the most support for the 2024 win.
Breaking those promises will be Trump's downfall. Mark my word.
Problem is for the rest of the world that Trump's instigating a new war will only prolong major world chaos, misery and destruction. For the USA too.

[Rizotto]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-venezuela-drug-boats-americans-poll-b2870894.html

November 23, 2025

Majority of Americans say Trump needs to show evidence that boats US is blowing up are really carrying drugs
A majority of Americans oppose war with Venezuela and believe President Donald Trump needs to provide evidence to justify military action against the nation

A new CBS/YouGov poll has found that a majority of Americans do not believe President Donald Trump has done enough to explain any possible U.S. military action against Venezuela.

According to the poll, 76 percent of respondents said they felt the president had not adequately justified the U.S.'s aggression toward the South American nation, which has thus far taken the form of rhetoric and strikes against alleged “drug boats.”

The poll also found that the majority of Americans — including Republicans — feel that Trump needs to provide an explanation for his military decisions. Virtually all — 97 percent — of Democrats said he had to explain, and 64 percent of Republicans agreed. Independents fell in the middle, with 86 percent saying the president should explain his thinking.

Trump has been using the U.S. military to destroy boats near Venezuela that his administration claims are operating as drug trafficking vessels. Those military strikes are killing the people onboard without providing due process or any attempt at more traditional interdiction, like the U.S. Coast Guard might undertake in domestic waters.

Americans are split on their views of the boat attacks. Some 53 percent of the respondents approve of the attacks, while 47 percent disapprove. But a majority — 75 percent — believe the U.S. should show evidence that the boats are carrying drugs before destroying them.

[Rizotto]

The Economist's poll results on Trump's approval ratings, as of December 8, 2025

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

"322 days into Donald Trump's term:
The president's net approval rating is -19%, down 0.6 points since last week.
38% approve, 57% disapprove, 4% not sure"

The one major concern mentioned by respondents is "Inflation/prices".

[Rizotto]

"Judge Andrew Napolitano tells The Grayzone why the Trump administration's ongoing military targeting of non-combatants in the Caribbean constitutes war crimes under US and international law."
“War crimes”: Judge Napolitano slams Hegseth for killing non-combatants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9xNXVmcB6s

Judge Napolitano also commented: "The republicans tend to be lock-step in support of Trump even when his behavior is criminal."

[ThePythonicCow]

Sounds like emotional manipulation . 95% of the drugs in USA comes from Mexico ...

I would believe that version more than that Zio-don and his hebrew mafia are fighting globalists in Venezuela ...
I could post what I think of your opening shot, regarding "emotional manipulation", but then I would risk doing what I was accusing you of doing, which is accusing one's adversary in a debate of what one is doing one's self. So best I not go there ;)

So on to your next response. I think it would be more accurate to state that "95% of the drugs in USA comes from through Mexico" ... via gangs subordinate to the likes of drug running and profiting portions of Mr Global's power centers in the CIA, MI6, the City of London, and China. My evidence for my allegation can be found in this fine interview of Patrick Byrne by John Michael Chambers, in which Byrne details how this global black market works:
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To be straight forward about this, I figure that Patrick Byrne knows more about these matters than do either of us.

I also trust that Hugo Armando Carvajal Barrios, a former Venezuelan military intelligence chief known as "El Pollo" Carvajal, knows more about these affairs than do either of us. He also reports that Venezuelan Nicolás Maduro's government [operates] as a "narco-terrorist organisation":

Former Venezuelan spy chief says Maduro runs 'narco-terrorist organisation' (Yahoo!News) (https://sg.news.yahoo.com/former-venezuelan-spy-chief-says-163246160.html)


The USA has a long history of regime change wars on the pretext that this or that country political system is bad, their banking is bad, or their people are bad.
Yes, the USA does indeed have such a long history of such evil interference in other nations, for such dubious reasons. The USA has been Mr Global's bully boy ... I quite agree that this part of America's history is disgraceful.

My "big picture" view is that Mr Global is at war with patriots in any nation who would resist Global enslavement.

I also figure that Mr Global has and continues to use every means at their disposal to perpetuate their drive for total global control of humanity.

That means, by straight forward logic, that if any national patriots use practically any means at all to fight back, they risk using some of the same means as, or that at the least can be portrayed to be the same as, what the Globalists use. Avoiding all means that are, or look like, means that the Globalists use would lead to Globalist victory and enslavement of humanity.

If the national patriots, fighting for the rights of their people to live and run their nation for the well being of the people of those nations, against the globalist bastards, are going to win this global war, that will necessarily have some public lies and private ruthlessness. As has often been observed, the first casualty of war is truth. Win we must, and hopefully we will win both decisively and as honorably as that allows.

For the globalists to protest that something the national patriots are doing is "bad" is an outstanding example of the pot calling the kettle black. Such rhetorical dirty tricks deserve no respect.

[Rizotto]

The drugs issue keeps coming up in this thread, so maybe it deserves more analysis. For one thing, I do not understand what is it about drugs that makes certain people here so angry. For those with relatives who died of overdose, I'm sincerely sorry that happened. But why did they chose to take those drugs in the first place?

No one is forced to take drugs. Here in northern Canada, we hear that there have been several deaths due to fentanyl overdoses, mainly among the aboriginal population, who are sadly more vulnerable to addiction. Why are they more vulnerable? Why are some individuals more vulnerable to addiction than the majority of the population? Would prevention by means of information, e.g. education in schools about opioid addiction, help solve the problem? It's something that Trump needs to look into. Has he???

Drug smuggling only exists because there is a market, i.e. people eager to buy the stuff for personal consumption. But aren't they a tiny minority? And aren't those individuals responsible for their choices? Personally I think they need to take responsibility. And there needs to be way more addiction treatment centres available, NOT bombs and war.

Fact is, in my social circle nobody is interested in opioid drugs. (Some smoke the occasional marijuana.) You couldn't pay us to take drugs. My perception is that the great majority has no interest in taking any opioid drugs.

The war on drugs is a hoax.

Another fact is that the opioid addiction was started by big pharma who deliberately encouraged doctors to prescribe these pain-killers knowing how addictive these drugs were. Remember Oxycontin. Trump should go after big pharma, not Venezuela, if he's truly that concerned about drugs and addiction.

The bottom line is that blowing up Venezuelans in boats on the pretext of drugs is absurd. Informed and rational people know that Trump's accusations against Venezuela & drugs just don't add up. American journalists at the Grayzone (Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate) have provided detailed information on this topic.

We have a responsibility to be informed with facts before going on murder sprees abroad. Now it's Venezuelans, tomorrow it could be Canadians.

As for the other allegations, i.e. voting machines, banking, communism. Really, are you serious? I'm among the skeptics about the 2020 USA elections results. There were too many indications that the vote tally had been badly tampered with. But blame the Democrats or the USA deep state, not Venezuela.

I'm also quite sure that recent elections in Canada have been tampered with. As well as in several countries in Europe. There is a certain cabal that seeks to infiltrate western governments to implement a destructive agenda of mass immigration, wokeness, climate hoax, etc. Again, that's nothing to do with Venezuela. In fact, it looks much more like starting a war on Venezuela is one the cabal's tools for bringing chaos and destruction to the world.

Here are the true reasons why Trump seeks to regime change Venezuela:
- control over Venezuela's rich resources
- Venezuela seeks to join the BRICS
- Russia has been supplying Venezuela with critical military equipment & support.
- Venezuela has strong allies like China, Russia, and Iran that the USA deep state view as rivals and an impediment to its hegemonic goals.

I and many others do sense great danger in Trump's rhetoric about Venezuela. Enough already. Go on to focus on 'america first', and the world will be a better place.

[onawah]

In Show of Support for RFK Jr., Trump Orders ‘Comprehensive Evaluation’ of Childhood Vaccine Schedule
by Michael Nevradakis, Ph.D.
December 8, 2025

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/trump-orders-comprehensive-evaluation-childhood-vaccine-schedule-support-rfk-jr/?utm_source=cc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=defender&utm_id=20251208s#btn-share-1

(Podcast at the link. Hyperlinks at the link not embedded here.)

"President Donald Trump last week directed HHS to “fast track” a comprehensive review of the childhood immunization schedule. Trump also praised the CDC vaccine advisers for voting to end the recommendation that all newborns receive the Hep B vaccine.
“The American Childhood Vaccine Schedule long required 72 ‘jabs,’ for perfectly healthy babies, far more than any other Country in the World, and far more than is necessary. In fact, it is ridiculous! Many parents and scientists have been questioning the efficacy of this ‘schedule,’ as have I!” Trump posted.

Trump issued a memorandum, which he announced on Truth Social after the conclusion of last week’s two-day meeting of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) panel of vaccine advisers.

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), which met Dec. 4-5, voted to end the recommendation that all infants receive the hepatitis B (Hep B) vaccine at birth.

The committee members also heard presentations questioning the safety of the current childhood vaccination schedule and comparing its health outcomes to those of Denmark and other high-income countries.

In his Truth Social post, Trump said ACIP “made a very good decision” to end the Hep B vaccine recommendation for newborns.

Trump’s memorandum directs U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the CDC to “review best practices from peer, developed countries for core childhood vaccination recommendations,” including “the scientific evidence that informs those best practices,” as part of the review.

If the review finds that the childhood vaccination policies of other countries “are superior to current domestic recommendations,” the memorandum directs HHS and the CDC to “align” the childhood vaccination schedule “with such scientific evidence.”
In a post on X on Friday, Kennedy thanked Trump and wrote, “We’re on it.”

https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1997103542822174880


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Dr. Larry Palevsky, a pediatrician, called Trump’s memorandum “unprecedented.” “Trump became the first American president to appropriately challenge the safety and efficacy of vaccines.”

Dr. Michelle Perro, also a pediatrician, told The Defender:

“Any medical intervention given to virtually every child deserves ongoing, rigorous re-evaluation. My hope is that this process will be data-driven, transparent and free from industry or political capture, which is something parents have not felt confident about for a long time.”

James Lyons-Weiler, Ph.D., also responded. “People, the public, the taxpayers deserve to know: do we have the safest possible schedule?” the research scientist and author asked.

ACIP member Retsef Levi, Ph.D., told The Washington Post that more research into childhood vaccines is needed. He said vaccines have risks that “are currently not well understood.”

In June, ACIP formed a work group to study the cumulative effect of all childhood vaccines.

ACIP’s Hep B vaccine recommendation now awaits approval by acting CDC Director Jim O’Neil. The Post reported Friday that the rollback of the Hep B shot recommendation “could portend broader changes to come” on vaccine policy.

Trump’s memorandum a ‘vote of confidence’ in RFK Jr.’s leadership

Trump’s memorandum and accompanying fact sheet took aim at the latest version of the childhood immunization schedule.

“In January 2025, the United States recommended vaccinating all children for 18 diseases, including COVID-19, making our country a high outlier in the number of vaccinations recommended for all children,” the memorandum states.

According to the memorandum, “Peer, developed countries recommend fewer childhood vaccinations — Denmark recommends vaccinations for just 10 diseases with serious morbidity or mortality risks; Japan recommends vaccinations for 14 diseases; and Germany recommends vaccinations for 15 diseases.”

The fact sheet states that “timing and administration of the vaccines also varies by country” — some do not require certain vaccines at birth or on an annual basis.

“Practices like the hepatitis B vaccination at birth are standard in the United States, but uncommon in most developed countries, where it is typically only recommended for newborns of mothers who test positive for the infection,” the fact sheet states.

During Friday’s ACIP meeting, Tracy Beth Høeg, M.D., Ph.D., who last week was named the next leader of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, said there are “eye-opening differences in the recommendations” between the U.S. and her native Denmark.

Biologist Christina Parks, Ph.D., said it was evident that Trump “was listening … to the fact that it appears that our regulatory agencies have been co-opted by money and not really looking at the cost-benefit analysis of vaccines.”

In September, Trump made similar statements questioning the safety of the childhood immunization schedule — and the administration of the Hep B shot at birth — during an event announcing that HHS would study all possible causes of autism.

Earlier that month, the White House’s Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Commission unveiled its “Make Our Children Healthy Again” strategy report, outlining 128 recommendations for tackling the chronic disease epidemic in the U.S., including a review of existing vaccine policies and recommendations.

Friday’s fact sheet said that the review of the childhood vaccination schedule is part of these MAHA-related initiatives.

Axios said Trump’s memorandum is a “vote of confidence” in Kennedy’s leadership of HHS and Kennedy’s “handpicked advisory panel on vaccines” — referring to ACIP.

In June, Kennedy dismissed ACIP’s 17 previous members. Later in June and in September, Kennedy appointed several new members to ACIP.

In a statement shared with The Defender, HHS Press Secretary Emily Hilliard said:

“Secretary Kennedy reconstituted ACIP to strengthen its independence and to end past practices that favored established corporate interests over open scientific review.

“Instead of promoting the failed politics of the pandemic, HHS is promoting transparency in vaccine safety data and communicating clearly about both risks and benefits.”

“Kennedy and his allies have gained the power to pursue sweeping changes in U.S. vaccine policies,” Axios reported.

Mainstream medical organizations in a ‘panic’ over new vaccine guidelines

Friday’s ACIP developments and Trump’s memorandum prompted criticism by some political figures, pro-vaccine advocates and mainstream medical organizations.

In a post on X on Friday, Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), chairman of the U.S. Senate Health, Education, Labor & Pensions (HELP) Committee, said ACIP’s new Hep B recommendation “makes America sicker.”

Before last week’s ACIP meeting, Cassidy said the committee was “totally discredited” after it invited attorney and vaccine critic Aaron Siri to deliver a presentation questioning the childhood vaccination schedule.

Two prominent and outspoken promoters of vaccines — Dr. Paul Offit and Peter Hotez, M.D., Ph.D., who declined invitations to deliver presentations at last week’s ACIP meeting — also criticized the committee and Kennedy.

Offit told The New York Times that ACIP is “a political group, not a scientific group.” Hotez said ACIP “seems to have shifted its mission away from science and evidence-based medicine.”

Lyons-Weiler questioned Offit’s and Hotez’s criticism of ACIP and their decisions not to accept the committee’s invitation to deliver presentations at the meeting, which he said, “signals they do not have the science to back up their claims.”

“If they believe the new ACIP lacks scientific rigor, then the responsible move is to walk into the room, put the data on the table and challenge the panel openly,” Lyons-Weiler said.

In a New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) op-ed published last week, 12 former FDA commissioners said they were “deeply concerned” by the Trump administration’s vaccine policies, which “undermine a regulatory model designed to ensure that vaccines are safe, effective, and available when the public needs them most.”

That same day, three former CDC officials published an op-ed in STAT accusing ACIP of “losing its footing” and warning that the committee was “poised to raise vaccine risks while burying their benefits.”

The American Medical Association (AMA), the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) also criticized ACIP’s new Hep B vaccine guidance and last week’s meeting.

In July, the AAP and other medical organizations sued Kennedy and HHS, alleging the new ACIP members unilaterally changed COVID-19 vaccine recommendations without evidence. Last week, the plaintiffs in that lawsuit updated their complaint.

In August, the CDC removed AMA and AAP representatives from ACIP vaccine work groups. That month, the AAP released its own “evidence-based” immunization schedule, calling universal immunization essential to protect children.

According to the Post, after the ACIP meeting, a “slew of Democratic governors” and state health officials reaffirmed guidance that all newborns get a Hep B shot.

In recent months, several state and city public health departments have formed coalitions, issuing vaccine guidance that counters CDC recommendations. In April, CIDRAP launched the Vaccine Integrity Project, which issues similar guidance.

Lyons-Weiler said these reactions suggest that mainstream medical organizations are in a “panic.”

“If the scientific foundation is as strong as they claim, a comparative review should be the easiest win imaginable,” Lyons-Weiler said. “Instead, we get apocalyptic rhetoric. That tells you these institutions are defending authority and revenue streams, not science.”

‘The priority should be children’s health, not corporate comfort’

In the aftermath of the ACIP meeting, some critics also questioned comparisons between the childhood vaccination schedules of the U.S. and other countries.

Speaking on behalf of the AAP, pediatrician Dr. José R. Romero told the Post, “Children in the United States are at risk of different diseases than children in other countries.” We also have a completely different health system.”

Jessica Malaty Rivera of Defend Public Health told the Post that comparisons between the vaccination schedules of the U.S. and countries like Denmark are “like comparing apples to steaks,” due to significant differences between the countries — an argument Lyons-Weiler characterized as “hand-waving.”

“If Denmark, Japan or Germany achieve excellent outcomes with fewer early-life injections, ignoring that comparison is malpractice,” he said.

Perro said cross-country comparisons are commonplace “in every other field of medicine,” adding that it is possible to “adjust for differences in size and health systems and still learn a great deal.”

Defend Public Health operates under the Peace Development Fund, whose funders include pharma giant GSK, Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisers and the Tides Foundation. Tides also funds the Center for Countering Digital Hate, publisher of the 2021 “Disinformation Dozen” list of “leading online anti-vaxxers” that included Kennedy.

STAT reported that vaccine makers are “terrified” of the Trump administration’s potential changes to vaccine policy, which are “alarming manufacturers.” Perro said, “That line unintentionally reveals a lot.”

“If manufacturers are ‘alarmed’ by a scientific review and possible schedule adjustments based on international best practices, we should be asking why. The priority should be children’s health, not corporate comfort.”

Related articles in The Defender

CDC Vaccine Panel Votes to End Universal Hep B Vaccine for Newborns
Vaccine Injury Lawyer Delivers Scathing Rebuke of Childhood Vaccine Schedule — Offit, Hotez Decline Invitation to Debate
CDC’s New Vaccine Advisers Vow to Study Cumulative Effect of Childhood Vaccine Schedule
AAP Ratchets Up Complaints Against RFK Jr.’s CDC Vaccine Panel in Updated Lawsuit
Higher Infant Mortality Rates Linked to Higher Number of Vaccine Doses, New Study Confirms

Michael Nevradakis, Ph.D., based in Athens, Greece, is a senior reporter for The Defender and host of "The Defender In-Depth" on CHD.TV. "

[norman]

Venezuelan STRIKES TO BEGIN! Barack Obama Becomes Flight Risk..Pam Bondi To Be Ousted!? Juan O Savin
David Nino Rodriguez - 3 hours ago

F-18's have just broken Venezuelan airspace.. Barack Obama has been seen multiple times in UK and is now becoming a serious flight risk, Pam Bondi may not be sticking around much longer. Juan O Savin explains further


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[ThePythonicCow]

Hugo Armando Carvajal Barrios, a former Venezuelan military intelligence chief known as "El Pollo" Carvajal
An update from Patrick Byrne on Carvajal ... we got a huge load of intel from Carvajal on the operations against the U.S.
Patrick Byrne & Emerald Robinson > Venezuelan Intel Chief Just Confessed Everything (Rumble) (https://rumble.com/v72nggi-patrick-byrne-and-emerald-robinson-venezuelan-intel-chief-just-confessed-ev.html)

Traitors and Spies inside very sensitive positions in the U.S.
Undersea cables off Venezuela tapped by Russia for last decade.
Election fraud
Drug trafficking

For years, the CIA had been blocking Carvajal's persistent efforts to disclose this.

We might have been one or two whistleblowers away from losing the 2024 election, which would likely have been the final nail in the U.S. Constitutional Republic.

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P.S. - There is another Venezuelan official in U.S. custody, who is offering more intel: Major General Cliver Cardonas (Rumble; The Absolute Truth; Emerald Robinson) (https://rumble.com/v72tdh4-second-venezuelan-whistleblower-letter-to-president-trump-exposes-smartmati.html)

[Rizotto]

The Trump administration's efforts to stage a war against Venezuela are redolent of the fake WMDs that were all over newscasts in 2003 to start a war against Iraq.

One of TheGrayZone video recently posted above discussed the true origin of the alleged 'Venezuelan' "Cartel of the Sun", which is the CIA.

Here's an AI summary for more details:

In a 2025 interview for The Grayzone, U.S. mercenary Jordan Goudreau claimed that the "Cartel of the Suns" was created by the CIA long before Hugo Chávez became president of Venezuela. Goudreau alleged that the structure was established in the 1990s and that the U.S. government used it to facilitate drug trafficking.
Key Points from The Grayzone Commentary
CIA Creation: Goudreau told journalist Max Blumenthal that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was behind the creation of the Cartel de los Soles, and that this was "no secret".
"Langley Creation": In a separate discussion, journalist Ryan Grim suggested the name "Cartel de los Soles" (Cartel of the Suns) sounds like "the most obvious CIA made up name" and a "Langley creation" (referring to the CIA headquarters location).
Fabricated Entity: According to Goudreau and implicitly supported by Grim's comments, the "cartel" was effectively a fabrication used by U.S. intelligence/defense to label opponents as "narco-terrorists" as part of a strategy to overthrow the Venezuelan government. Goudreau even suggested the group "may not actually exist anymore" as an independent entity.
Political Tool: The Grayzone commentary suggests the U.S. has used the alleged existence of the cartel and its links to Venezuelan officials (like Nicolás Maduro) as a pretext for "law enforcement at scale" operations and political pressure, rather than it being an actual independent drug trafficking organization.

[jaybee]

F-18's have just broken Venezuelan airspace.. Barack Obama has been seen multiple times in UK and is now becoming a serious flight risk, Pam Bondi may not be sticking around much longer. Juan O Savin explains further

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great! :rolleyes:

He's probably bought Ellen Degeneres' house in the Cotswolds and is hiding there - sneaking to London to dine with King Charles and Tony Blair on a regular basis.... :/

When Obama came over the pond to lecture us about Brexit and remaining in Europe he said we'd go to the back of the queue if we left - - well I'm sure as an elite 'asylum seeker' he will be at the front of the queue -

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general comment about Trump's latest big moves against the Globalists via Venezuela - - he's getting so much flak he must be over the target - (?) they (Ex CIA Chief John Brennan?) even sent out the 'Seditious Six' to start the counter attack well in advance ...

[norman]

The Trump administration's efforts to stage a war against Venezuela are redolent of the fake WMDs that were all over newscasts in 2003 to start a war against Iraq.

One of TheGrayZone video recently posted above discussed the true origin of the alleged 'Venezuelan' "Cartel of the Sun", which is the CIA.

Here's an AI summary for more details:

In a 2025 interview for The Grayzone, U.S. mercenary Jordan Goudreau claimed that the "Cartel of the Suns" was created by the CIA long before Hugo Chávez became president of Venezuela. Goudreau alleged that the structure was established in the 1990s and that the U.S. government used it to facilitate drug trafficking.
Key Points from The Grayzone Commentary
CIA Creation: Goudreau told journalist Max Blumenthal that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was behind the creation of the Cartel de los Soles, and that this was "no secret".
"Langley Creation": In a separate discussion, journalist Ryan Grim suggested the name "Cartel de los Soles" (Cartel of the Suns) sounds like "the most obvious CIA made up name" and a "Langley creation" (referring to the CIA headquarters location).
Fabricated Entity: According to Goudreau and implicitly supported by Grim's comments, the "cartel" was effectively a fabrication used by U.S. intelligence/defense to label opponents as "narco-terrorists" as part of a strategy to overthrow the Venezuelan government. Goudreau even suggested the group "may not actually exist anymore" as an independent entity.
Political Tool: The Grayzone commentary suggests the U.S. has used the alleged existence of the cartel and its links to Venezuelan officials (like Nicolás Maduro) as a pretext for "law enforcement at scale" operations and political pressure, rather than it being an actual independent drug trafficking organization.

Even from my perspective the factoids in your post are roughly correct. AI is as subject to the rule of "rubbish in, rubbish out" as anything else.

But here's the thing, What IS the CIA ?

Who does the CIA really work for ?

If we switch to seeing the CIA and the 'Cartels' and many of the central and south American 'governments' as the creations and agents of a European/black nobility/banking super cartel, that flips the whole scenario around and redefines what the war is really all about.

America has been a captured operation for a very long time. The 'America' that most of the rest of the world detests and some even call the great Satan has been a pumped up bullying global goon squad for a crooked crowd of European bankers and satanists for so long that even most Americans have a false identity in their heads about who they are. If industrial crash test dummies had a group identity ego I'm sure it would resemble the average American group identity ego.

Brits have a similar issue, it just goes back further.

The irony and, on a good day, comedy, about Trump is that he's daring (in a goonish way) to turn that American goon brawn back against the European satanists who created it, just at the point where they intended to scrap it and hightail away into their false light sunrise.

[BMJ]

This is a debate about the theme wich is also a big part of the discussion on this thread ,is Trump really fighting the globalist or is he in bed with them?--part 1 -wfcLH85dQcQ ´IS TRUMP REALLY AGAINST WAR? ´| With Alex Christoforou & Susan Kokinda. 3e86dDb8Hgw -5/12/25-part 2

I just wanted to bump this post by Gini, thank you Gini I really enjoyed the debate/interview.

With Alex and Susan coming from very different understandings of things it was a very interesting debate/interview for me.

The best part for me was the last 20 minutes of the second part. Where I saw Alex listening to and considering that he might be missing underlying issues that President Trump needs to deal with, considerations that at times make it difficult to make a straight forward decision.

[Ravenlocke]

Reuters

Exclusive: US threatens new ICC sanctions unless court pledges not to prosecute Trump http://reut.rs/4a9Nzwq

https://x.com/Reuters/status/1998797402258460950

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The Straits Times

US threatens new ICC sanctions unless court pledges not to prosecute Trump

https://x.com/straits_times/status/1998714374509257062

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https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/us-threatens-new-icc-sanctions-unless-court-pledges-not-to-prosecute-trump

US threatens new ICC sanctions unless court pledges not to prosecute Trump
WASHINGTON

– US President Donald Trump’s administration wants the International Criminal Court (ICC) to amend its founding document to ensure it does not investigate the Republican President and his top officials, a Trump administration official said, threatening new US sanctions on the court if it did not.

If the court does not act on this US demand and two others – dropping investigations of Israeli leaders over the Gaza war and formally ending an earlier probe of US troops over their actions in Afghanistan – Washington may penalise more ICC officials and could sanction the court itself, the official said.

Sanctioning the court would significantly escalate the US campaign against the ICC, which has long been criticised by US officials, including both Republicans and Democrats, who say the court infringes on US sovereignty.

The Trump administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Washington has communicated its demands to ICC members, some of whom are US allies, and has also made them known to the court.

The US is not a party to the Rome Statute that established the ICC in 2002 as a court of last resort, with the power to prosecute heads of state.

The demand and the threat to resume the US sanctions campaign towards the court have not been previously reported.

ICC judges issued
arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

, former Israeli defence chief Yoav Gallant and Hamas leader Ibrahim al-Masri in November 2024 for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity during the Gaza conflict.

The rest of the article can be found at the link above.

[TrumanCash]

Billionaire Patrick Byrne Reveals He is New Info About Himself - Full Interview 12/9/25, Alex Jones

So much amazing information coming out from Patrick Byrne!--CIA, Election fraud, Venezuela, Drug cartels, America infiltrated, Mafias, etc.


https://rumble.com/v72tq30-alex-jones-billionaire-patrick-byrne-reveals-he-is-new-info-about-himself-f.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_o&sci=05efb80e-e18e-40e7-b20a-44aab78bb737

[Ravenlocke]

RT

❗️MOMENT US seizes oil tanker off coast of Venezuela

Coast Guard rappel down off Black Hawks, STORM bridge

AG Bondi claims vessel 'transported sanctioned oil from Venezuela and Iran'

Seizure 'conducted safely and securely'

https://x.com/RT_com/status/1998878101942710690

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[Ravenlocke]

DD Geopolitics

🇺🇸🇻🇪🇮🇷 BREAKING: The United States just carried out a full military seizure of an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, and Washington is now claiming the vessel was linked to Iran’s IRGC and Hezbollah.

Attorney General Pam Bondi says the FBI, Homeland Security Investigations, the Coast Guard, and the Department of War executed a federal seizure warrant on the Guyana-flagged M/T SKIPPER, a tanker long under U.S. Treasury sanctions.

At 6:00 a.m., two MH-60 Seahawks dropped U.S. Special Forces onto the ship, along with 10 Marines and 10 Coast Guard personnel.
The takeover was described as “safe,” but the legal justification is already under scrutiny.

When Iran seized a tanker in international waters last year, CENTCOM called it a “blatant violation of international law” that “undermines freedom of navigation and free commerce.”
(Their own press release literally says this.)

Yet today, U.S. forces boarded a sanctioned tanker in the Caribbean near Venezuelan territorial waters, using heliborne special operators to enforce unilateral U.S. sanctions that neither Venezuela nor the region recognizes.

If Iran does it: “Illegal seizure in international waters.”

If the United States does it: “A successful law-enforcement operation.”

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1998897812277547502

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[Ravenlocke]

DD Geopolitics

🇻🇪🇺🇸 Venezuela issues a blistering statement after the U.S. military seized an oil tanker near its waters, denouncing the operation as outright theft and “international piracy.”

Caracas says Washington’s motives are not migration, drugs, democracy, or human rights, but Venezuela’s natural resources, which the U.S. has openly admitted wanting to control.

Key points from the government’s communiqué:

➡️ The tanker’s seizure is described as a criminal act, part of a deliberate U.S. strategy to strip Venezuela of its energy resources, the same pattern seen in the CITGO takeover.

➡️ The government says these events expose the true reasons behind years of U.S. pressure: oil, minerals, and energy, not humanitarian concerns.

➡️ Caracas accuses the U.S. of using the tanker operation to distract from the “failed political show” in Oslo, referring to the Nobel Peace Prize controversy surrounding María Corina Machado, which Venezuela describes as another foreign-backed attempt at regime change.

➡️ Venezuela calls on its citizens to remain united in defense of the nation, and urges the international community to condemn what it describes as a vandalic, illegal, and unprecedented act of aggression.

➡️ Caracas says it will take the case to international legal bodies, asserting its right to defend national sovereignty and prevent foreign powers from seizing Venezuelan assets.

This marks one of the strongest official rebukes from Venezuela since the crisis began — and signals a new escalation between Washington and Caracas.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1998906344360030382

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[Ravenlocke]

Al Mayadeen English

The seized tanker, allegedly bound for #Cuba, highlights tightening #US sanctions and their ripple effect on regional fuel trade and diplomatic tensions.

https://x.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1998868140265246724

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https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/us-seizes-oil-tanker-off-venezuela-as-trump-escalates-tensio

US seizes oil tanker off Venezuela as Trump escalates tensions
The United States has seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, US President Donald Trump said Wednesday, a move that jolted global oil markets and is likely to heighten already fraught relations between Washington and Caracas.

“We’ve just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela, large tanker, very large, largest one ever, actually, and other things are happening,” Trump said.

A person familiar with the matter, who was granted anonymity to discuss the sensitive seizure, told Politico that the vessel had been bound for Cuba.

The Cuban Embassy in Washington did not respond immediately to requests for comment, as per the report.

Piracy, military buildup at sea

The operation comes as Trump has ordered a significant military build-up in the region, deploying an aircraft carrier, fighter jets, and tens of thousands of troops. Analysts say the tanker seizure could mark a shift toward more aggressive efforts to target Venezuela’s oil sector, the country’s main source of revenue.

Three US officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters that the operation was conducted by the US Coast Guard. They did not identify the vessel, its flag, or the exact location of the interdiction.

Vanguard, a British maritime risk consultancy, said it believed the tanker Skipper was the vessel seized early Wednesday. Washington previously sanctioned the ship, then known as the Adisa, for allegedly participating in Iranian oil trading.

Oil futures rose on news of the seizure. Brent crude finished up 27 cents, or 0.4%, at $62.21 a barrel, while US West Texas Intermediate rose 21 cents to $58.46.

The Venezuelan government has not commented.

Oil markets and supply tensions

Venezuela exported more than 900,000 barrels per day last month, its third-highest monthly average this year, after state-run PDVSA boosted imports of naphtha to dilute extra-heavy crude. Despite mounting pressure on President Nicolas Maduro, Washington had previously refrained from directly disrupting Venezuela’s oil flows.

Rory Johnston, an analyst at Commodity Context, said the seizure adds to market unease. “This is just yet another geopolitical/sanctions headwind hammering spot supply availability,” he said. “Seizing this tanker further inflames those prompt supply concerns but also doesn’t immediately change the situation fundamentally because these barrels were already going to be floating around for a while.”

Escalating pressure on Maduro

Maduro has long argued that the US military build-up aims to topple him and seize control of Venezuela’s vast oil reserves. Since early September, the Trump administration has carried out more than 20 strikes on suspected drug-smuggling vessels across the Caribbean and Pacific, killing more than 80 people.

Experts have raised legal concerns over the campaign, noting that US authorities have provided little evidence that the targeted boats were carrying narcotics or that lethal force was necessary instead of interdiction and questioning.

Those concerns intensified this month after reports that the commander overseeing the operation ordered a second strike that killed two survivors.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll published Wednesday found broad US public opposition to the deadly maritime strikes, including among roughly one-fifth of Republicans.

Trump has repeatedly floated the prospect of US military meddling in Venezuela. In a sweeping strategy document released last week, he said the administration’s foreign-policy priority is to “reassert its dominance in the Western Hemisphere.”

What this means for Cuba

Cuba’s long-running struggle under the US embargo has pushed its economy into one of its most challenging periods in decades, with ordinary families bearing the heaviest burden. The restrictions, tightened further in recent years, have sharply limited access to fuel, medical supplies, spare parts, and basic goods, creating a cycle of shortages that affects nearly every aspect of daily life.

Public transportation routinely grinds to a halt, hospitals face chronic scarcities, and households are forced to navigate rising prices and dwindling resources.

For many Cubans, the embargo is not an abstract geopolitical tool but a visible, persistent source of hardship embedded in the rhythm of everyday survival.

Those pressures intensified after the recent seizure of a Venezuelan oil vessel reportedly bound for Cuba, a development that deepened an already severe energy crisis.

The country relies heavily on Venezuelan shipments to stabilize its fuel supply, and the interception of the cargo immediately triggered longer blackouts, constrained industrial activity, and disrupted food distribution networks.

Communities already struggling to secure basic necessities now face worsening electricity shortages and soaring transportation costs. This latest act highlights how US meddling, including decades of sanctions and aggressive maritime actions, directly harms Cuban civilians, deepening suffering and undermining the resilience of the island’s economy.

[BMJ]

🚨 HUGE WIN INCOMING FOR TRUMP AT THE SUPREME COURT! 🦅🔥

Today the conservative justices just signaled they’re ready to OVER TURN Humphrey’s Executor – the 1935 ruling that created these “independent” agencies that presidents can’t touch.

If SCOTUS rules in Trump’s favor in Trump v. Slaughter:

✅ He can fire FTC commissioners at will
✅ Sets precedent to fire CFPB, FCC, SEC heads… ANY “independent” agency boss
✅ And YES… this directly cracks open the door to END THE FED 👀💥

The Federal Reserve is the biggest “independent” monster of them all. Once the Court says the President has full removal power over these agencies, the legal shield protecting the Fed collapses.

Trump could appoint a Fed Chair who actually follows the President’s direction… or even push Congress (with the precedent in his pocket) to bring the Fed fully under executive control.

This isn’t just a random case. This is the constitutional battering ram we’ve been waiting for.

The deep state just felt the ground shake.

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What is Humphrey’s Executor? A look at the 90-year-old Supreme Court decision Trump is targeting
Link: https://www.theusconstitution.org/news/what-is-humphreys-executor-a-look-at-the-90-year-old-supreme-court-decision-trump-is-targeting/

[Rizotto]

Interview with Judge Napolitano regarding the USA military bombing small boats, under Trump's orders.
Napolitano underlines the fact that nothing justifies a military force killing non-combatants in boats international waters. It would be judged as murder under international law, and for a military it's a war crime.

INTERVIEW: Obeying orders is no defence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyBh-zu0zAI

[Rizotto]

"Honduran Deputy Foreign Minister Gerardo Torres Zelaya spoke with The Grayzone’s Wyatt Reed to explain what really happened in November’s widely-disputed election. They discuss how the cartel-linked opposition appears to have used their control of the electoral system to rig the vote, the hundreds of death threats reportedly made by MS-13 members supporting the Trump-backed candidate, and why his LIBRE Party is now calling for the questionable results to be annulled."
"It's a fraud": Trump and MS-13 helped rig Honduran vote, top official says

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifID_1aP1JM

[Rizotto]

"In a riveting interview with OANN host and former US congressman Matt Gaetz, The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal discusses the recent indictment of a former top DEA official and veteran CIA asset in a $12 million scheme to launder money and procure drones for Mexico's Jalisco cartel. Blumenthal uses the scandal as a window into the US government's history of covert collaboration with drug traffickers, explaining how the CIA created Venezuela's so-called "Cartel of the Suns," and calling out Trump's pardon of Juan Orlando Hernandez, the former Honduran president convicted of shipping over 400 tons of cocaine into the US."
Max Blumenthal exposes CIA-cartel connections

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4R6PZiXr4c

[Rizotto]

Trump's orders to the USA military to attack small boats off the coast of Venezuela is an attempt to get a counter attack from Venezuela that will be used by Trump to start a full-fledged war against Venezuela.

Venezuela: Maduro Not Taking the Bait /Lt Col Daniel Davis & Larry Johnson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FH5QyWcDHM

[AuCo]

"... But why did they chose to take those drugs in the first place?

No one is forced to take drugs... "

Same goes with no kids are forced to have sex chat with an adult.

[AuCo]

There's been so much noise on this thread lately. Even this, imho anyway!

[Mike]

"... But why did they chose to take those drugs in the first place?

No one is forced to take drugs... "

Same goes with no kids are forced to have sex chat with an adult.


It all makes perfect sense when you think about it. Rizzoto's friends don't take drugs, ergo drug cartels and narco states are blameless.

[Jaak]

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[Jaak]

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[Rizotto]

"... But why did they chose to take those drugs in the first place?

No one is forced to take drugs... "

Same goes with no kids are forced to have sex chat with an adult.


It all makes perfect sense when you think about it. Rizzoto's friends don't take drugs, ergo drug cartels and narco states are blameless.

Do YOU and your friends take drugs? How many people in your social circle are drug addicts on the verge of overdosing?

[Rizotto]

"... But why did they chose to take those drugs in the first place?

No one is forced to take drugs... "

Same goes with no kids are forced to have sex chat with an adult.

... and was Trump forced to silence Epstein's victims by claiming the Epstein case was a hoax?

[Mike]

"... But why did they chose to take those drugs in the first place?

No one is forced to take drugs... "

Same goes with no kids are forced to have sex chat with an adult.


It all makes perfect sense when you think about it. Rizzoto's friends don't take drugs, ergo drug cartels and narco states are blameless.

Do YOU and your friends take drugs? How many people in your social circle are drug addicts on the verge of overdosing?



There's a way out of this dude!:) You don't have to keep twisting yourself into pretzels to make drug cartels and narco states into sympathetic figures. You can admit that illegal drugs are evil, the cartels are evil, the narco state leaders are evil ..and still condemn any potential war initiated by the US on Venezuela. Those 2 things can be true at the same time.

I get it.. you're in a perfect Trump-deranged hell of your own making atm and you don't want to ruin it by saying anything reasonable, but it would be far easier to cut loose of this argument and try hating Trump in some other less irrational ways.. ways that don't require you to defend mass murdering psychopaths I mean. No one will mistake you for a Trump supporter if you do, except for maybe Bojancan.

[BMJ]

Trump EXPOSES Britain: The Secret Plot to Block Ukraine Peace

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Promethean Updates
Dec 11, 2025

Summary:
00:00 The Midweek Update - Trump EXPOSES Britain: The Secret Plot to Block Ukraine Peace - December 10, 2025
02:13 Trump vs. The Crown: Two Incompatible Worldviews
07:02 Russia's Verdict: 'Trump Gets It'
08:38 The 2028 Trap: Targeting Vance

In this episode, Susan Kokinda discusses President Trump's recent national security strategy, which marks a significant departure from over a century of British-influenced American foreign policy.

The episode delves into the geopolitical friction between the U.S. and the UK, particularly regarding their strategies toward Russia and Ukraine.

Susan Kokinda underscores the broader clash of worldviews between American sovereignty and British-led internationalism, highlighting the latest developments including reactions from Russia and European elites.

The episode also examines the opposition Trump faces from both within the U.S. political establishment and British geopolitical strategists, and emphasizes the importance of maintaining political support to ensure the success of Trump's transformative policies.

[Bill Ryan]

"... But why did they chose to take those drugs in the first place?

No one is forced to take drugs... "

Same goes with no kids are forced to have sex chat with an adult.

It all makes perfect sense when you think about it. Rizzoto's friends don't take drugs, ergo drug cartels and narco states are blameless.

Do YOU and your friends take drugs? How many people in your social circle are drug addicts on the verge of overdosing?

There's a way out of this dude!:) You don't have to keep twisting yourself into pretzels to make drug cartels and narco states into sympathetic figures. You can admit that illegal drugs are evil, the cartels are evil, the narco state leaders are evil ..and still condemn any potential war initiated by the US on Venezuela. Those 2 things can be true at the same time.

I get it.. you're in a perfect Trump-deranged hell of your own making atm and you don't want to ruin it by saying anything reasonable, but it would be far easier to cut loose of this argument and try hating Trump in some other less irrational ways.. ways that don't require you to defend mass murdering psychopaths I mean. No one will mistake you for a Trump supporter if you do, except for maybe Bojancan.~~~

1) Mike, the problem is that Venezuela isn't actually a 'narco state'. This is another invented PR excuse — like WMD! — for a regime change war, like Libya, Iraq, etc etc etc. Whatever this military adventure is about, it's not about drugs.

2) And the bombed boats weren't 'smuggling drugs' to the US. They had a range of about 60 miles. When they were blown out of the water, they had another 1500 miles to go.

3) I'm wondering if TDS might best be redefined as the kind of 'derangement' that makes sincere people believe that Trump has somehow held true to all his election promises!

4) And Rizotto isn't a dude. :ROFL:

:focus:

[BMJ]

DD Geopolitics

🇺🇸🇻🇪🇮🇷 BREAKING: The United States just carried out a full military seizure of an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, and Washington is now claiming the vessel was linked to Iran’s IRGC and Hezbollah.

Attorney General Pam Bondi says the FBI, Homeland Security Investigations, the Coast Guard, and the Department of War executed a federal seizure warrant on the Guyana-flagged M/T SKIPPER, a tanker long under U.S. Treasury sanctions.

At 6:00 a.m., two MH-60 Seahawks dropped U.S. Special Forces onto the ship, along with 10 Marines and 10 Coast Guard personnel.
The takeover was described as “safe,” but the legal justification is already under scrutiny.

When Iran seized a tanker in international waters last year, CENTCOM called it a “blatant violation of international law” that “undermines freedom of navigation and free commerce.”
(Their own press release literally says this.)

Yet today, U.S. forces boarded a sanctioned tanker in the Caribbean near Venezuelan territorial waters, using heliborne special operators to enforce unilateral U.S. sanctions that neither Venezuela nor the region recognizes.

If Iran does it: “Illegal seizure in international waters.”

If the United States does it: “A successful law-enforcement operation.”

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1998897812277547502

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The White House speaks out on seized oil tanker

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Sky News Australia
Dec 12, 2025
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt confirms the US has seized an oil tanker off Venezuela's coast that previously transported oil to designated foreign terror organisations, notably bound for Iran.

This action marks a new strategy by the Trump administration, emphasising domestic issues, particularly the fight against illegal drug trafficking that has claimed numerous American lives.

The Department of Justice obtained a warrant to seize the vessel based on its link to black market oil transactions for the IRGC.

“It’s a sanctioned shadow vessel known for carrying black market sanctioned oil to the IRGC,” Ms Leavitt said.

[Mike]

"... But why did they chose to take those drugs in the first place?

No one is forced to take drugs... "

Same goes with no kids are forced to have sex chat with an adult.

It all makes perfect sense when you think about it. Rizzoto's friends don't take drugs, ergo drug cartels and narco states are blameless.

Do YOU and your friends take drugs? How many people in your social circle are drug addicts on the verge of overdosing?

There's a way out of this dude!:) You don't have to keep twisting yourself into pretzels to make drug cartels and narco states into sympathetic figures. You can admit that illegal drugs are evil, the cartels are evil, the narco state leaders are evil ..and still condemn any potential war initiated by the US on Venezuela. Those 2 things can be true at the same time.

I get it.. you're in a perfect Trump-deranged hell of your own making atm and you don't want to ruin it by saying anything reasonable, but it would be far easier to cut loose of this argument and try hating Trump in some other less irrational ways.. ways that don't require you to defend mass murdering psychopaths I mean. No one will mistake you for a Trump supporter if you do, except for maybe Bojancan.~~~

1) Mike, the problem is that Venezuela isn't actually a 'narco state'. This is another invented PR excuse — like WMD! — for a regime change war, like Libya, Iraq, etc etc etc. Whatever this military adventure is about, it's not about drugs.

2) And the bombed boats weren't 'smuggling drugs' to the US. They had a range of about 60 miles. When they were blown out of the water, they had another 1500 miles to go.

3) I'm wondering if TDS might best be redefined as the kind of 'derangement' that makes sincere people believe that Trump has somehow held true to all his election promises!

4) And Rizotto isn't a dude. :ROFL:

:focus:


Rizoto is Rizota? Apologies :blushing:

I agree it may not be about drugs exclusively (or at all), but I would dispute the narco state thing. I have almost every reason to believe that's what it is. I'm not married to the idea, and would update my thinking if presented with some relevant info. But atm the evidence for this seems overwhelming. I've heard all kinds of arguments against the US invading (I don't want to invade Venezuela either for the record!) but I've never heard anyone dispute the narco state thing. I'd be interested in hearing more about this.

I can't speak for any other Trump supporters, but I of course know Trump hasn't kept all his promises (yet anyway). But complaining about what he hasn't done in favor of what he has done seems mostly cynical and ungrateful to me (at least if you're an American). If you're not American, and you don't like the US or Trump etc, fair play. But Trump has saved the country, just by shutting down the border. Forget everything else - this one act saved the country from sure destruction. And he's changed the entire culture, almost single-handedly from a woke/Marxist dystopia to something resembling what it should be (all in less than a year). So I'm not unaware of where he's come up short, but I still remain thrilled with the progress so far.

And you're not off topic!:P

[norman]

I can't speak for any other Trump supporters, but I of course know Trump hasn't kept all his promises (yet anyway). But complaining about what he hasn't done in favor of what he has done seems mostly cynical and ungrateful to me (at least if you're an American). If you're not American, and you don't like the US or Trump etc, fair play. But Trump has saved the country, just by shutting down the border. Forget everything else - this one act saved the country from sure destruction. And he's changed the entire culture, almost single-handedly from a woke/Marxist dystopia to something resembling what it should be (all in less than a year). So I'm not unaware of where he's come up short, but I still remain thrilled with the progress so far.

And you're not off topic!:P

Yea, the heart pain I feel, is that there are quite a few reading and writing here who DO love Marxist utopia and their lottery wish for an excusive 'elite' triumph and freedom of a depopulated fresh start where nothing changes about reality but escape and a (black)magical sense of "waw, we actually got away with it because we were evolutionary clever and that means we were right and deserve it".

[onawah]

Trump Administration Sides With Bayer in Seeking Supreme Court Ruling on Roundup Fight
December 02, 2025
The New Lede
by Carey Gillam
https://organicconsumers.org/trump-administration-sides-with-bayer-in-seeking-supreme-court-ruling-on-roundup-fight/

(This looks like an example of Trump falling short, and the following from Jimmy Dore shows Trump's support is falling due to economic concerns. It's no wonder--Trump is not a magician and look at the mess he inherited. Nothing is simple these days....)

"Bayer, the beleaguered maker of Roundup herbicide, has garnered the support of the US Department of Justice in its court battle to turn back a tide of litigation brought by people claiming the company failed to warn them of cancer risks associated with the weed killers.

In a Dec. 1 filing with the US Supreme Court, Solicitor General D. John Sauer, appointed by the Trump administration in April, told the court that it should take up an appeal from Bayer that the company hopes could help it quash ongoing lawsuits inherited when it bought Monsanto in 2018.

Bayer, which maintains its glyphosate herbicides do not cause cancer, argues that the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), which governs the registration, distribution, sale, and use of pesticides in the United States, preempts “failure-to-warn” claims against the company. Because the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has approved labels with no cancer warning, failure-to-warn claims should be barred, the company maintains.

Multiple courts have rejected Bayer’s argument, including two appellate courts, ruling that FIFRA does not preempt failure-to-warn claims, though one appellate court – the Third Circuit Court of Appeals- has sided with Bayer.

A similar effort by Bayer to get the high court to weigh in on the preemption issue was rejected in 2022 after the Biden administration’s Solicitor General asked the high court not to hear Bayer’s appeal on the same issue, saying that “FIFRA does not preempt” such claims.

“Although some aspects of EPA-approved labeling may preempt particular state-law requirements, EPA’s approval of labeling that does not warn about particular chronic risks does not by itself preempt a state-law requirement to provide such warnings,” then-Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar wrote in the 2022 brief to the Supreme Court. The agricultural industry reacted with outrage at the time, saying Prelogar’s position posed “great risks” to the regulatory system and global food systems.

In contrast, Sauer’s brief to the court this week was closely aligned with Bayer’s arguments, saying the Third Circuit ruling favoring Bayer’s position on preemption “correctly allows EPA to determine on a nationwide basis what warnings must appear on a particular pesticide’s label to avoid an unreasonable risk to human health.” He said given conflicting court rulings on the issue, review by the Supreme Court “is now warranted…”

Sauer also echoed Bayer’s language on Roundup safety: “After careful scientific review and an assessment of hundreds of thousands of public comments, EPA has repeatedly determined that glyphosate is not likely to be carcinogenic in humans, and the agency has repeatedly approved Roundup labels that did not contain cancer warnings,” the Solicitor General wrote in his brief.

Bayer has paid out more than $11 billion in jury verdicts and settlements but continues to face tens of thousands of lawsuits from people alleging they developed non-Hodgkin lymphoma from use of Roundup and other glyphosate-based herbicides sold by the company. It has told investors for the last few years that getting the Supreme Court to rule in its favor on the preemption issue is a key goal.

Bayer celebrated the support from the administration, issuing a statement on Tuesday saying a positive ruling from the Supreme Court “could help bring the company closer to closure” in the Roundup litigation.

“The support of the US Government is an important step and good news for US farmers, who need regulatory clarity,” Bayer CEO Bill Anderson said in a statement. “The stakes could not be higher as the misapplication of federal law jeopardizes the availability of innovative tools for farmers and investments in the broader US economy.”

Bayer said a ruling from the Supreme Court on the preemption issue could impact other industries as well.

“It is time for the US legal system to establish that companies cannot be punished under state laws for complying with federal label requirements,” Bayer said.

Kelly Ryerson, co-executive director of American Regeneration and a leading lobbyist in the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement that the Trump administration says it supports, was furious at the Justice Department move.

“MAHA voters chose this administration because they were tired of watching captured regulators sign off on chemicals that are poisoning their families, not because they wanted Washington to hand pesticide giants a liability shield,” Ryerson said.

“President Trump specifically promised to address the harms from pesticides. This move to support the Supreme Court in hearing Bayer’s case for federal preemption of state laws that protect our safety could not stray further from that promise he made to American citizens,” she added.

The Roundup litigation began in 2015 after the International Agency for Research on Cancer, an arm of the World Health Organization, reviewed years of independent research on glyphosate and Roundup, and found the weed killer to be a “probable human carcinogen.”

Alongside its path through the courts, Bayer has also been pushing for new state and federal legislation that would effectively preempt lawsuits based on failure-to-warn claims.

Author

Carey Gillam

Carey Gillam is the editor-in-chief of The New Lede and a veteran investigative journalist with more than 30 years of experience covering US news, including 17 years as a senior correspondent with Reuters international news service (1998-2015). She is the author of “Whitewash - The Story of a Weed Killer, Cancer and the Corruption of Science,” an expose of Monsanto’s corporate corruption of agriculture. The book won the coveted Rachel Carson Book Award from the Society of Environmental Journalists in 2018. Her second book, a narrative legal thriller titled The Monsanto Papers, was released March 2, 2021.

She also has contributed chapters for a text book about environmental journalism and a book about pesticide use in Africa.


Gillam testified as an invited expert before the European Parliament in 2017 about her research, and was a featured speaker at the World Forum for Democracy in Strasbourg, France in 2019. She also has been a keynote and/or panel speaker at events and universities throughout North America, Australia, The Netherlands, Brussels, and France.

Gillam writes regularly for The Guardian. Her work has additionally been published in The New York Times, Huffington Post, Time, and other outlets.

In 2022, Gillam helped launch The New Lede as a journalism initiative of the Environmental Working Group.
Gillam is a member of the Society of Environmental Journalists. "

*********************
Trump’s Poll Numbers Are CRATERING & He Doesn’t Care!
The Jimmy Dore Show
1.72M subscribers
Dec 11, 2025

"Jimmy breaks down new polling data showing Donald Trump’s approval among young voters collapsing, arguing that Trump’s refusal to address economic pain is driving his numbers into a “deep dark black hole.” He contrasts Trump’s message—obsessing over foreign policy, boasting about the economy, and contradicting himself on affordability—with voters’ real concerns about rent, healthcare, wages, and inflation.

Jimmy and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger discuss how candidates like Zohran Mamdani succeeded by listening to working-class neighborhoods that had previously shifted toward Trump, focusing on affordability rather than culture-war distractions. Throughout the segment, Jimmy accuses both parties of gaslighting the public, insisting that Trump’s economic denialism is now dragging down the GOP heading into the midterms."

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[rgray222]

I can't speak for any other Trump supporters, but I of course know Trump hasn't kept all his promises (yet anyway). But complaining about what he hasn't done in favor of what he has done seems mostly cynical and ungrateful to me (at least if you're an American). If you're not American, and you don't like the US or Trump etc, fair play. But Trump has saved the country, just by shutting down the border. Forget everything else - this one act saved the country from sure destruction. And he's changed the entire culture, almost single-handedly from a woke/Marxist dystopia to something resembling what it should be (all in less than a year). So I'm not unaware of where he's come up short, but I still remain thrilled with the progress so far.

And you're not off topic!:P

Yea, the heart pain I feel, is that there are quite a few reading and writing here who DO love Marxist utopia and their lottery wish for an excusive 'elite' triumph and freedom of a depopulated fresh start where nothing changes about reality but escape and a (black)magical sense of "waw, we actually got away with it because we were evolutionary clever and that means we were right and deserve it".

Thomas Sowell, a true treasure to humanity

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[jaybee]

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2) And the bombed boats weren't 'smuggling drugs' to the US. They had a range of about 60 miles. When they were blown out of the water, they had another 1500 miles to go.


This seems like a point to consider so I had a think.... :-)

Couldn't they (the fast, smaller boats) be delivering to a larger vessel and be just one of the stages...of the smuggling process....?

Or delivering the shipment to another country/location between Venezuela and America....

[jaybee]

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I can't speak for any other Trump supporters, but I of course know Trump hasn't kept all his promises (yet anyway). But complaining about what he hasn't done in favor of what he has done seems mostly cynical and ungrateful to me (at least if you're an American). If you're not American, and you don't like the US or Trump etc, fair play. But Trump has saved the country, just by shutting down the border. Forget everything else - this one act saved the country from sure destruction. And he's changed the entire culture, almost single-handedly from a woke/Marxist dystopia to something resembling what it should be (all in less than a year). So I'm not unaware of where he's come up short, but I still remain thrilled with the progress so far.



I tend to take a 'glass half full' approach to Trump as well....

Shutting the Southern Border and stopping the invasion was a fundamental, basic operation to literally save the American Republic....

Another huge achievement of the Trump Administration, IMO....was bringing RFK Jr into government and the creation of MAHA...looking at all aspects of health but also tackling childhood vaccination problems...

[Mike]

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I can't speak for any other Trump supporters, but I of course know Trump hasn't kept all his promises (yet anyway). But complaining about what he hasn't done in favor of what he has done seems mostly cynical and ungrateful to me (at least if you're an American). If you're not American, and you don't like the US or Trump etc, fair play. But Trump has saved the country, just by shutting down the border. Forget everything else - this one act saved the country from sure destruction. And he's changed the entire culture, almost single-handedly from a woke/Marxist dystopia to something resembling what it should be (all in less than a year). So I'm not unaware of where he's come up short, but I still remain thrilled with the progress so far.



I tend to take a 'glass half full' approach to Trump as well....

Shutting the Southern Border and stopping the invasion was a fundamental, basic operation to literally save the American Republic....

Another huge achievement of the Trump Administration, IMO....was bringing RFK Jr into government and the creation of MAHA...looking at all aspects of health but also tackling childhood vaccination problems...



re RFK, yeah for sure.

Trump will be 80 early next year. 80! The guy hardly sleeps at all, his diet is atrocious, and his normal day is about 50x busier than the busiest day any of us has ever had in our entire lives. He is an absolute freak of nature. His energy is remarkable. He's not just a unique politician, he's an exceptionally unique human being. I don't think anyone on earth could do what he does. Hate him or love him, you have to admit he's absolutely remarkable in this way.

He is constantly battling; he is constantly under fire (sometimes literally). Whether it's hostile countries or a hostile American press, there is never a moment when he's not taking slings and arrows. There are zero breaks. Most men, even exceptional ones, would wilt in the face of just a fraction of what this man has dealt with (and continues to deal with). He went up against the machine, took everything they had to give him, and won. That makes him exactly one of one. He is wholly unique, and I think history will remember him this way.

We have short memories. When I started out here on Avalon, if a president just mentioned the "deep state" once in public he'd have been lauded as a hero. Things like that were unheard of! And if someone told us then that not only would there be someone in 2025 speaking openly about such things, but going head to head with the globalists, we wouldn't have believed it. In this way Trump is a victim of his success and brazenness. He's normalized all the things we used to talk about, almost single-handedly. We take him for granted now. Just look at the job he's done on the MSM. If that were the only feather in his cap, he'd be a legend. But it's not. They tried to impeach him multiple times, bankrupt him, throw him in jail, take him off the ballot, and kill him. And on top of that, almost all of our mainstream institutions were aggressively against him, but he still won. If you don't admire this man, there is something wrong with you.

He saved the US by closing the borders. The country would not have survived 4 more years of mass immigration and ideological subversion. Not a chance. I'm sorry, if you don't understand that by now as an American you don't understand anything, and you likely never will. But for those Americans that do, how can you be anything but eternally grateful towards him for that??? Everything is downstream of immigration. We wouldn't even have the luxury of debating all the things we're supposedly pissed at him about if he hadn't saved the damn country in the first place. It's like being pissed at your Daddy because he offered you french fries instead of onion rings just after pulling you out of a burning home.

Sure there's some issues, but inflation is down, woke is on the run, illegals are being deported in mass numbers, our military is strong again, and we're almost single-handedly keeping the west alive and kicking. And free speech is back. All in less than a year! The guy has been absolutely brilliant.

[rgray222]

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Trump authorized $4 billion in military assistance to Israel using emergency authorities, bypassing the standard congressional review process. This money was a transfer of military equipment, and it is not expected to be paid back.

Trump has approved $12 B in military equipment since his second term. This was financed by the US taxpayer, and Israel is expected to repay the costs over time. Trump, unlike other politicians, fully expects to be paid back. There has been a lot of false or incorrect (take your pick) reporting by many mainstream publications that said the $12 B was aid and not a sale, but that simply was not the truth.

Joe Biden freely gave money out to Israel, Taiwan and Ukraine (one package alone valued at $95B) like it was actually going to make a difference with no intention of being repaid. The globalists and the progressives running the country when Biden "held" the office of president, were nothing less than warmongers, hellbent on global war and financial ruin for the USA.

[rgray222]

I agree it may not be about drugs exclusively (or at all), but I would dispute the narco state thing. I have almost every reason to believe that's what it is. I'm not married to the idea, and would update my thinking if presented with some relevant info. But atm the evidence for this seems overwhelming. I've heard all kinds of arguments against the US invading (I don't want to invade Venezuela either for the record!) but I've never heard anyone dispute the narco state thing. I'd be interested in hearing more about this.

I can't speak for any other Trump supporters, but I of course know Trump hasn't kept all his promises (yet anyway). But complaining about what he hasn't done in favor of what he has done seems mostly cynical and ungrateful to me (at least if you're an American). If you're not American, and you don't like the US or Trump etc, fair play. But Trump has saved the country, just by shutting down the border. Forget everything else - this one act saved the country from sure destruction. And he's changed the entire culture, almost single-handedly from a woke/Marxist dystopia to something resembling what it should be (all in less than a year). So I'm not unaware of where he's come up short, but I still remain thrilled with the progress so far.

And you're not off topic!:P

Trump did say that the drug boats being destroyed were carrying drugs destined for the USA. No one is quite sure if that statement is true or if it was just more Trump blustering rhetoric, but there are some things we know for sure. These boats being destroyed are primarily used across short sea routes to nearby islands such as Trinidad and Tobago(11 km off the coast of Venezuela), which is a major regional hub for drug trafficking. These same drug boats are often used to deliver drugs to larger cargo vessels awaiting offshore. It would not surprise me that the oil tanker was used to carry drugs close to their final destination; they would offload the drugs before delivering oil.

It does appear that Trump's efforts are making a difference. Exactly how much remains to be seen. A quick search about fentanyl provides this info:
While the most lethal phase of the fentanyl crisis appears to be easing, fentanyl remains an extremely dangerous substance, and claims about it being "much less lethal" are misleading. Fatal overdoses involving fentanyl have declined significantly across all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia, with some states reporting drops of over 50% in overdose deaths. This decline is attributed to factors such as reduced potency of street fentanyl, increased availability of naloxone (Narcan), greater access to addiction treatment, and a shift in the drug market toward substances like xylazine and medetomidine, which are less immediately fatal but still highly harmful. The price of fentanyl has increased, and the availability of fentanyl is limited.

[onawah]

Agreed, but given just how much Trump has had to deal with, I think it's wise to keep a close eye on what goes down from now on. He may be brilliant, but he's not infallible.



Sure there's some issues, but inflation is down, woke is on the run, illegals are being deported in mass numbers, our military is strong again, and we're almost single-handedly keeping the west alive and kicking. And free speech is back. All in less than a year! The guy has been absolutely brilliant.

[Rizotto]

"... But why did they chose to take those drugs in the first place?

No one is forced to take drugs... "

Same goes with no kids are forced to have sex chat with an adult.

It all makes perfect sense when you think about it. Rizzoto's friends don't take drugs, ergo drug cartels and narco states are blameless.

Do YOU and your friends take drugs? How many people in your social circle are drug addicts on the verge of overdosing?

There's a way out of this dude!:) You don't have to keep twisting yourself into pretzels to make drug cartels and narco states into sympathetic figures. You can admit that illegal drugs are evil, the cartels are evil, the narco state leaders are evil ..and still condemn any potential war initiated by the US on Venezuela. Those 2 things can be true at the same time.

I get it.. you're in a perfect Trump-deranged hell of your own making atm and you don't want to ruin it by saying anything reasonable, but it would be far easier to cut loose of this argument and try hating Trump in some other less irrational ways.. ways that don't require you to defend mass murdering psychopaths I mean. No one will mistake you for a Trump supporter if you do, except for maybe Bojancan.~~~

1) Mike, the problem is that Venezuela isn't actually a 'narco state'. This is another invented PR excuse — like WMD! — for a regime change war, like Libya, Iraq, etc etc etc. Whatever this military adventure is about, it's not about drugs.

2) And the bombed boats weren't 'smuggling drugs' to the US. They had a range of about 60 miles. When they were blown out of the water, they had another 1500 miles to go.

3) I'm wondering if TDS might best be redefined as the kind of 'derangement' that makes sincere people believe that Trump has somehow held true to all his election promises!

4) And Rizotto isn't a dude. :ROFL:

:focus:


Rizoto is Rizota? Apologies :blushing:

I agree it may not be about drugs exclusively (or at all), but I would dispute the narco state thing. I have almost every reason to believe that's what it is. I'm not married to the idea, and would update my thinking if presented with some relevant info. But atm the evidence for this seems overwhelming. I've heard all kinds of arguments against the US invading (I don't want to invade Venezuela either for the record!) but I've never heard anyone dispute the narco state thing. I'd be interested in hearing more about this.

I can't speak for any other Trump supporters, but I of course know Trump hasn't kept all his promises (yet anyway). But complaining about what he hasn't done in favor of what he has done seems mostly cynical and ungrateful to me (at least if you're an American). If you're not American, and you don't like the US or Trump etc, fair play. But Trump has saved the country, just by shutting down the border. Forget everything else - this one act saved the country from sure destruction. And he's changed the entire culture, almost single-handedly from a woke/Marxist dystopia to something resembling what it should be (all in less than a year). So I'm not unaware of where he's come up short, but I still remain thrilled with the progress so far.

And you're not off topic!:P

Mike, do you see any Venezuelan in the room with you right now?

Anyway, I provided information in one post above, where a geopolitic expert checked the USA department of narcotics website regarding foreign sources of illegal drugs, and he saw that Venezuela was either listed at the very bottom or had next to zero drug shipping to USA. Why don't you look it up.

The very fact that Trump just stole an oil tanker transporting Venezuelan oil, on the pretext that this was in violation of the USA sanctions, which are illegal in the first place, shows that drugs isn't the pivotal factor. Regime change is.

[Rizotto]

Just trying to keep track of the priorities here. The USA is reportedly the worst offender for human trafficking. (Canada is next.)

Meanwhile Trump recently declared that the Epstein case is a hoax, silencing Epstein victims. It's only thanks to Thomas Massie that the issue was voted in congress in favour of releasing the files (but will they have been purged of the most damning information, we'll probably never know...) Marjorie Taylor-Greene also insisted that the Epstein files be released. Both Massie and MTG insist on 'america first' policies.

In response, Trump bashed both MTG and Massie. He wants them both out of congress, regardless of the fact that their constituents voted them in.

My question to the forum, what should be the priority, blowing up non-combatant boats in international waters, or finding out how many politicians in congress are operating under blackmail, and which country exactly is doing the blackmail operation.

Eric Moutsos, on X, December 11, 2025:

"If you're a conservative and more outraged about folks like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, but not outraged about America bankrolling a live-streamed genocide in Gaza or the dozens of blackmailed pedophiles on the Epstein list who run our government, you might not be as conservative as you think."
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[Rizotto]

Trump Now FORCES Tourists to Show 5 Years of Social Media

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhY7IaN1toI

[Jaak]

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[SilentFeathers]

RE: Venezuela, etc


The "Trump Corollary" to the Monroe Doctrine refers to the Trump administration's 2025 National Security Strategy, which revitalizes the 1823 Monroe Doctrine (opposing European meddling in the Americas) by asserting U.S. political, economic, and military control over the Western Hemisphere, blocking all outside influence (like China/Russia), securing vital resources/assets (Panama Canal), and demanding loyalty, treating the region as a U.S. sphere of influence with increased military presence and an "America First" agenda applied to the Americas.

From the Whitehouse/Trump Administration: On the anniversary of the Monroe Doctrine, Dec. 2, 2025, The Whitehouse posted this;


America 250: Presidential Message on the Anniversary of the Monroe Doctrine
Proclamations December 2, 2025

On December 2, 1823, the doctrine of American sovereignty was immortalized in prose when President James Monroe declared before the Nation a simple truth that has echoed throughout the ages: The United States will never waver in defense of our homeland, our interests, or the well-being of our citizens. Today, my Administration proudly reaffirms this promise under a new “Trump Corollary” to the Monroe Doctrine: That the American people—not foreign nations nor globalist institutions—will always control their own destiny in our hemisphere.

More than 2 centuries ago, President Monroe proclaimed before the United States Congress what is today known as the legendary “Monroe Doctrine”—a bold policy that rejects foreign interference of faraway nations and confidently asserts United States leadership in the Western Hemisphere. “The American continents, by the free and independent condition which they have assumed and maintain, are henceforth not to be considered as subjects for future colonization by any European powers,” President Monroe professed. With those mighty words, every nation knew that the United States of America was emerging as a superpower unlike anything the world had ever known—and that nothing could ever rival the strength, unity, and resolve of a freedom-loving people.

In the centuries since, President Monroe’s doctrine of sovereignty has guarded the American continents against communism, fascism, and foreign infringement, and as the 47th President of the United States, I am proudly reasserting this time-honored policy. Since I took office, I have aggressively pursued an America first policy of peace through strength. We restored U.S. privileged access through the Panama Canal. We are reestablishing American maritime dominance. We are disrupting non-market practices in the international supply chain and logistics sectors.

My Administration is also halting the flow of deadly drugs flowing through Mexico, ending the invasion of illegal aliens along our southern border, and dismantling narco-terrorist networks all across the Western Hemisphere. To defend our Nation’s workers and industries, I recently secured historic trade deals with El Salvador, Argentina, Ecuador, and Guatemala, allowing greater and more streamlined market access. Reinvigorated by my Trump Corollary, the Monroe Doctrine is alive and well—and American leadership is coming roaring back stronger than ever before.

Today, we renew our pledge to always uphold American sovereignty, security, and safety first. Above all, we vow to protect our cherished national legacy of republican self-government against all threats, foreign and domestic.
SOURCE (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/12/america-250-presidential-message-on-the-anniversary-of-the-monroe-doctrine/)

By the sounds of this, Venezuela may not be the only country being targeted. I suspect Columbia also may be targeted for precision strikes, or perhaps even Cartel locations in Mexico.

This may also be related to Trump talking about Canada being the 51st State, purchasing Greenland, Strong arming Mexico, etc.

[Kryztian]

the problem is that Venezuela isn't actually a 'narco state'. This is another invented PR excuse — like WMD! — for a regime change war, like Libya, Iraq, etc etc etc. Whatever this military adventure is about, it's not about drugs.



This 11 minute analysis by Glenn Greenwald is insightful, logical and concise and should show clearly to anyone with a rational mind that Trumps words and actions have absolutely nothing to do with preventing drugs overdoses here in the US. In summary:


On September 14th Trump stated that "300 million people died last year from drug overdoses." The population of the United States is a little over 300 million. How did most of our population disappear without me noticing? :facepalm:


In the last two years the number of deaths from drug overdose have come down and most of them are from synthetic opiods (e.g. fentanyl) and methamphetamine , none of which come from Venezuela. The get drug that comes from Venezuela is cocaine, and Venezuela only sends a fraction of what it's neighbor Columbia produces.


Trump just pardoned convicted drug trafficker Juan Orlando Hernández (who was sentenced to serve 45 years in prison) so that he go back to Honduras and run for president.

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[Rizotto]

Scott Ritter: The US just committed an act of piracy with the takeover of Venezuela's oil tanker.


"The US military's seizure of a Venezuelan oil tanker is backfiring hard on Trump says Scott Ritter, and Russia's quiet military cooperation with the Maduro government should not be underestimated according to analyst Andrei Martyanov. This video breaks down the catastrophic consequences of Trump's escalations."
Scott Ritter: US Tanker Seizure DESTROYS Trump's Venezuela War, Russia Steps In

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH7yndNpGdg
There's even a clip of Trump stating that US will keep the tanker, and the oil.

[jaybee]

There's even a clip of Trump stating that US will keep the tanker, and the oil.


I'm sorry - It probably shouldn't have :-) but this amused me - cus Orange Man Bad - so so incorrigible and bad -

the part where he says it is at the very beginning (relevant bit starts 31 seconds) he responds to a journalist's question and says in a 'mild' way - "well we keep it, I guess" ...

I do actually wonder what game Scot Ritter is playing, what roll, and I've felt like that for a while now....because all the different leading 'actors' in the Deep State Plot are not going to be obvious because if they were they wouldn't be doing their job... (this is just a kind of intuitive speculation about Ritter and I am prepared and willing to be totally wrong about my somewhat vague suspicions...)

He (Ritter) waxes lyrical about 'the law' as if America (and the West) actually has a functioning, independent, unbiased judiciary - the virtual collapse of the institution of the law is no excuse for Trump to go rogue, of course, BUT is he going rogue or is operating within areas of law that are classified - regarding National Security and whatnot...?

I don't know... and I hazard a guess that Scot Ritter (or any other prominent commentator) probably doesn't either...

Trump said a long time ago (words to the effect) that he couldn't understand WHY political leaders etc - announced what they were going to do up front - letting the 'enemy' know their plans - - - perhaps the whole oil tanker incident is a big dramatic distraction - a diversion for the commentators and Anti Trumpers while other plans are quietly unfolding and building momentum else where.....

Just saying - - - - and, of course, time will tell....

[Jad]

It’s mind-boggling to me that some people still believe Trump, or any president, is truly “running the show.” Since JFK was made an example of, all the rest toed the line and delivered us to this timeline.
And when people talk about“narco-states,” it’s worth asking uncomfortable questions: Who was protecting the poppy fields in Afghanistan? Why did Pat Tillman really die by so-called “friendly fire”? Does anyone seriously believe the CIA simply stopped being involved in drug trafficking—or did they just outsource it to the cartels?
At the end of the day, most politicians on both sides of the aisle are just actors, delivering their lines and playing their roles in a much larger script.

[Mike]

It’s mind-boggling to me that some people still believe Trump, or any president, is truly “running the show.” Since JFK was made an example of, all the rest toed the line and delivered us to this timeline.
And when people talk about“narco-states,” it’s worth asking uncomfortable questions: Who was protecting the poppy fields in Afghanistan? Why did Pat Tillman really die by so-called “friendly fire”? Does anyone seriously believe the CIA simply stopped being involved in drug trafficking—or did they just outsource it to the cartels?
At the end of the day, most politicians on both sides of the aisle are just actors, delivering their lines and playing their roles in a much larger script.

Trump is running as much of the show as is within his purview. Obviously there are things beyond his influence but it's no excuse to lump him in with any other presidents or any other politician anywhere. That's crazy. Not a single one has even come remotely close to his brazenness and willingness to take on deep state entities and return the US to the sovereign nation it was intended to be. I could spend the next hour listing examples of this.

You can dispute his success rate all you like or nitpick this or that, but the ingratitude at his efforts just floors me every time I read something like this. He's truly trying to do the impossible, something no president has ever done, putting his life on the line in the process, and doing it all for free mind you. He doesn't even take a salary! LOL.

Have you ever taken a bullet for something you've believed in? Do you work for free? This 100% across the board cynicism re politicians is a cop out. If removes you from having to do the difficult work of parsing apart something far more complex than you're suggesting. There are good guys out there, and we do them a horrible disservice by adopting this cynical attitude. We have a civic duty to support the good guys when we're fortunate enough to have them, and if we fail as a country it will be mostly our fault, not our leaders.

[Open Minded Dude]

Trump Now FORCES Tourists to Show 5 Years of Social Media

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhY7IaN1toI

What if you are NOT on any officially recognized and trending Social Media at all (and thus no posts exist)? You're a potential terrorist then already? So I would be? (Not that I intend to spend any holidays in the US, but it is still discriminatory for no reason).

[Jad]

It’s mind-boggling to me that some people still believe Trump, or any president, is truly “running the show.” Since JFK was made an example of, all the rest toed the line and delivered us to this timeline.
And when people talk about“narco-states,” it’s worth asking uncomfortable questions: Who was protecting the poppy fields in Afghanistan? Why did Pat Tillman really die by so-called “friendly fire”? Does anyone seriously believe the CIA simply stopped being involved in drug trafficking—or did they just outsource it to the cartels?
At the end of the day, most politicians on both sides of the aisle are just actors, delivering their lines and playing their roles in a much larger script.

Trump is running as much of the show as is within his purview. Obviously there are things beyond his influence but it's no excuse to lump him in with any other presidents or any other politician anywhere. That's crazy. Not a single one has even come remotely close to his brazenness and willingness to take on deep state entities and return the US to the sovereign nation it was intended to be. I could spend the next hour listing examples of this.

You can dispute his success rate all you like or nitpick this or that, but the ingratitude at his efforts just floors me every time I read something like this. He's truly trying to do the impossible, something no president has ever done, putting his life on the line in the process, and doing it all for free mind you. He doesn't even take a salary! LOL.

Have you ever taken a bullet for something you've believed in? Do you work for free? This 100% across the board cynicism re politicians is a cop out. If removes you from having to do the difficult work of parsing apart something far more complex than you're suggesting. There are good guys out there, and we do them a horrible disservice by adopting this cynical attitude. We have a civic duty to support the good guys when we're fortunate enough to have them, and if we fail as a country it will be mostly our fault, not our leaders.

Mike, for the record, I voted for him three times, so it’s not as if I have an agenda against him. I’m simply looking at the situation as a whole, and I don’t believe politicians are the true decision-makers. You’re free to disagree with me, of course, but I wouldn’t call your position a cop-out.

[Mike]

Fair enough Jad:handshake: Sorry for getting a little aggressive there. It's accurate to say that a great many politicians are slime balls; I'm not disputing that. I just regret that the few heroes we have left in politics get painted with the same brush. If I'm putting myself in Trump's shoes, I'm thinking to myself, what else do these people want from me? He's already proven that he's willing to pay the ultimate price for this country. He's willing to die for it. That goes a long way with me.

You're right about the CIA. That's a fair point. And any American who's sincerely concerned about South American narco states needs to acknowledge our own complicity in such things.

I might say though that the CIA is mostly a rogue organization at this point. It's American in name only, far as I'm concerned. But we do have to take responsibility for it. It's all really shameful and sh!tty.

[BMJ]

BUT is he going rogue or is operating within areas of law that are classified - regarding National Security and whatnot...?

I don't know... and I hazard a guess that Scott Ritter (or any other prominent commentator) probably doesn't either...

The information is there if care to look.

Derrick Johnson has been stating it for years President Trump is a wartime Commander In Chief.

Even Kim Clement predicted that there will be time of two Presidents. That has transpired as President Trump as C-I-C and Creepy Joe as COG during 46.

I remember President Trump being in court and topic came up about his position during Creepy Joes presidency and he clearly stated under oath he was at the time the Commander In Chief.

Furthermore the National Guard is at the moment part of the US army as is the Coast Guard part of the US Navy. The only time this happens is during a time of war.

The war is against this satanic globalist cabal and it is a global war, and President Trumps actions are taken according to the Law Of War Manual.

During a time of war you are not going to telegraph your intentions to the enemy unlike what Barry did during his time as the resident and not the President.

Then to get this understanding your going to have to look up Derrick Johnson work and also the Q posts.

The funny thing about the Q posts they were stating different numbers such as 11.3 which seemed like a code which nobody could figure out.
A guy named Carl from New Zealand was one of the first to figure it out, they where references to different sections of the Law of war Manual.
So there is that link between Q and the Law Of War Manual which the white hats are governed by.

MAJIC EYES QNLY
Link: https://rumble.com/c/MAJICEYESQNLY/videos

So now you have the means to understand if wish to learn more jaybee.


Alex "But He's The President"
Link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124169-Day-1-of-Trump-s-Presidency...-and-all-the-days-that-follow&p=1694896&viewfull=1#post1694896

The difference in understanding is demonstrated here in these videos in the link above.

Alex has a very simplistic point of view about the Presidency where as Susan Kokinda provides the considerations that President Trump has to make in his decision making it is not black and white at the moment.

One day it will be more obvious once the satanic globalist cabal is vanquished.

[Merkaba360]

When will people stop thinking in absolutes, 100% puppet vs 100% stepping into the prez hot seat and just making all Hans Solo decisions. Both are ridiculous. Its like chess, you enter into a very complicated game. Just getting into the game requires working with many lobbyists and real INFLUENCERS. Based on the U.S. current position on the chess board and all the influencers, there aren't that many possible decisions to make. Many moves are just plain stupid or too much pressure to go that way. Some moves are - our faction wants to do A, so we have to B (which we don't want to do), cuz it requires scratching whoever's back and such.

So, let's say weekend at Bernie's Biden, was the closest to making 0% of decisions of any prez. Maybe Trump is 20% or whatever. And if Trump is aligned with a different faction then overall their decisions could be overall a higher % change in strategy on the chess board. I've heard that Trump actually does clever maneuvering weaving together deals that are unique and partially satisfy desires of various influencer factions. That would be an example of a degree of freedom in the decision making a clever prez can actually accomplish.

Keep in mind even 20% influence is enough to thwart big globalist plans that can't afford mistakes or big delays.

I don't think Venezuela is really about the drugs either. Who knows what having them aligned with US does for the global chess strategy. It could be huge in the overall global battle and security of the western hemisphere from eastern hemisphere influence.

As much as I don't want my country bullying anybody, I don't think they can stop all of that if they wanted. Cuz others are relentless and will only step up their aggression with unconventional weapons and gain more dominance.

Ive heard the ukraine war is mainly about secret weapon tech research that is going on underground and what not. Weapons that are real game changers. Maybe the bio lab thing was cover for that. Who knows, but I tend to think secret tech is the number one security issue in general which has to have a cover. Probably just above resources.

FWIW, I have a source who is mostly unknown, who predicted the oct. 10 crypto crash and almost the exact fall of bitcoin by mid november. His reading on Trump is that his soul contract is to expose a degree of corruption of his opponents (democrats and others) and eventually accidentally exposing some of his own corruption. I guess which will be enough to spark a fair amount of change. That sounds reasonable to me. So, when seen with a birds eye view, partial bad guys can end up being overall good guys for changing how the collect thinks.

[norman]

Alex "But He's The President"
Link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124169-Day-1-of-Trump-s-Presidency...-and-all-the-days-that-follow&p=1694896&viewfull=1#post1694896

The difference in understanding is demonstrated here in these videos in the link above.

Alex has a very simplistic point of view about the Presidency where as Susan Kokinda proved the considerations that President Trump has to make in his decision making it is not black and white at the moment.



Almost seems to me Alex has just outed himself as a shill, which wouldn't say much for the Duran as a whole. As things develop, 'Redacted' isn't looking much different either.

I don't really know what it is with these people. I don't know if it's financial diversion from suddenly downsized MSM outfits or if these people just can't get their asses out of their heads.

[Rizotto]

(post deleted by Bill as it was a reference to a quote attribution error in post #1614 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124169-Day-1-of-Trump-s-Presidency...-and-all-the-days-that-follow&p=1695326&viewfull=1#post1695326) above, which is now fixed. :thumbsup:)

[Rizotto]

There are many video clips on the internet dating back years ago about Trump boasting of 'taking the oil', mostly from Syria and Iraq. All the while the USA was putting Syria's Assad government under destructive sanctions, over the protest of Russia which military had in fact liberated Syria from ISIS at Assad's request, and Russia's military continued to protect Syria for years onward.

In the aftermath, Syria demanded multiple times that USA military ends its illegal occupation and extraction of Syria's oil fields. The USA continued stealing Syria's resources, and sanctioning Syria at the same time, knowing that this would bring Syria to its knees. Trump's pretext that USA military presence was to fight ISIS was false, in fact the CIA created ISIS, and Trump was only following Bibi's orders of controlling Syria. Russia had done most of the fighting to push back ISIS.

What could be more illustrative of utmost greed and disregard for the well being of a population of another country than Trump's boasts about stealing their resources.
No surprise that Trump is doing it again with Venezuela, but with even more criminality.

Donald Trump: US left troops in Syria 'only for the oil'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10p3Tn9V5Y

For those who claim that Trump is fighting a "globalist satanic cabal", just remember that even Canada's demon globalist Trudeau supported the USA attempted coup of Venezuela years ago (under president Trump) which tried to install Juan Guaido. And Canada's Trudeau also supported USA's sanctions against Syria.

[jaybee]

At the beginning of the above post, BMJ is 'quoting' a couple of sentences under my name.
For the record, I didn't write those words. I don't agree at all with what is expressed in that quote.

Yes I saw that and maybe a Mod will correct the quote format.....

The confusion is now further compounded with your post 1617 quoting me as saying what BMJ said :)

It'll get sorted.....

[Rizotto]

Post deleted by Rizotto, as the glitch was fixed by the mods, so this post no longer relevant.

[Merkaba360]

There are many video clips on the internet dating back years ago about Trump boasting of 'taking the oil', mostly from Syria and Iraq. All the while the USA was putting Syria's Assad government under destructive sanctions, over the protest of Russia which military had in fact liberated Syria from ISIS at Assad's request, and Russia's military continued to protect Syria for years onward.

In the aftermath, Syria demanded multiple times that USA military ends its illegal occupation and extraction of Syria's oil fields. The USA continued stealing Syria's resources, and sanctioning Syria at the same time, knowing that this would bring Syria to its knees. Trump's pretext that USA military presence was to fight ISIS was false, in fact the CIA created ISIS, and Trump was only following Bibi's orders of controlling Syria. Russia had done most of the fighting to push back ISIS.

What could be more illustrative of utmost greed and disregard for the well being of a population of another country than Trump's boasts about stealing their resources.
No surprise that Trump is doing it again with Venezuela, but with even more criminality.

Donald Trump: US left troops in Syria 'only for the oil'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10p3Tn9V5Y

For those who claim that Trump is fighting a "globalist satanic cabal", just remember that even Canada's demon globalist Trudeau supported the USA attempted coup of Venezuela years ago (under president Trump) which tried to install Juan Guaido. And Canada's Trudeau also supported USA's sanctions against Syria.

Your thinking is not nearly deep enough. None of that proves anything. You are the one saying the prez has very little power and under the thumb of almighty israel global dominance. Its kind of like being a general in WW2 or something. You may despise the orders you have to follow, but you covertly do what you can to thwart plans here and there. So, you can't look at solo actions and assume some absolute evil intent from someone stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Its not possible to have that job and not be corrupt to some extent. I think Trump is a mixed bag and WAY better than the alternative. As Mike said, he stopped A LOT of horrible nonsense that have a good chance of turning places like the UK and Canada into nightmares. If America fell to that , the whole world probably wouldve followed. Unfortunately we cant see the other timeline to see whether it dodged an insane scale of suffering. Won't know until we die. lol

Leaders are constantly changing their alignments based on national interest and other agendas. Of course sometimes Trump will be aligned with demon leaders. lol

Who knows the reasons why they are on Venezuelas case. IT might be far weirder than we think. What if taking them out changes something major that leads to massive economic boom of manufacturing and trade enriching all of the Americas. Would it be worth it to bring 100s of millions out of poverty. I don't know why everyone thinks they are sherlock holmes and can figure all this stuff out. We just have too little info and too much propaganda.

[Mike]

This report says 18,000 known or suspected terrorists came into the U.S. during the Biden administration.

By shutting down the border, Trump prevented another 18,000 terrorists from arriving(conservatively) because there was no reason at all to think this kind of thing would have stopped under a Harris administration. There was only reasons to think it would have gotten far worse.

So if you really find it that challenging to appreciate Trump, this is a very easy one to think about. Just thank him for preventing another 18,000 terrorists from coming into our country, and then thank him for his efforts in systematically trackiing down and throwing out the existing 18,000.

That shouldn't be too hard. There's no telling how many lives he's saved and disasters he's averted with his efforts.

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[ThePythonicCow]

I might say though that the CIA is mostly a rogue organization at this point.
I'd guess the CIA was rogue since about nine months before it was birthed.

[onawah]

I think Trump will be powerless to stop this (or any "heads of state") for that matter:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-&p=1695439&viewfull=1#post1695439
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-&p=1695442&viewfull=1#post1695442
That can probably only be stopped, if at all, by an uprising global in scale.



The "totalitarian tiptoe" will eventually (and sooner rather than later) be visited upon ALL American citizens.
Immigrants’ DNA to Be Tested Under New DHS Plan--October 31
Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not--November 4
Expanding Border Security: DNA and Social Media History to Be Collected from Travellers--December
Moreover, visitors may be required to disclose their phone numbers, email addresses, and even IP addresses used over the last five to ten years. Additional personal data, such as the names, birth dates, and places of birth of close family members (spouses, parents, children, siblings), may also be collected. These proposed data fields would go far beyond the standard requirements currently in place, offering a much deeper dive into travelers’ personal and professional lives.
Soon it will be all tourists and then all citizens, I figure.

[Rizotto]

A question for those who think that the USA regime change wars have been beneficial: please name a single benefit from such wars. Okay, I know these wars benefit I$rael and the military industrial complex' oligarchs. But for the people, what positive outcome from those wars?

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"Trump has painted himself into a corner, says Dan Kovalik. As the war overtures in Venezuela begin, it's not about drugs. It's the oil. Over the world's greatest reserves"

INTERVIEW: Unveiling a Latin-American Vietnam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt8H5TchewQ

[Rizotto]

So, the USA is about to launch a war on Venezuela on the false pretext of drugs, when the USA itself has a history of trafficking drugs to destabilize other countries.
Kiriakou is too mild in the interview below, the problem isn't 'sociapathic tendencies', the problem is full blown psychopaths running the CIA & USA government.
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John Kiriakou exposed the CIA’s torture program, revealing it was approved and concealed by top government officials, and was prosecuted for whistleblowing rather than for any crime committed in the field. He describes a culture within the CIA that encourages criminal behavior and recruits individuals with sociopathic tendencies, leading to daily illegal acts. Kiriakou’s investigation into Afghanistan’s heroin trade uncovered U.S. complicity in drug production to destabilize rival nations (Russia & Iran), a truth suppressed by both the DEA and the Senate. He details how the CIA manipulates American media, universities, and social media platforms to shape public opinion and recruit new operatives, all while violating its charter by engaging in domestic surveillance. Oversight committees meant to regulate the agency have instead become its cheerleaders, allowing the CIA to operate with impunity and keep its most troubling actions hidden from the public.
"It's My Duty To Tell You What's Really Happening" | Ex-CIA John Kiriakou

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1Cc1WjM2TU

[TrumanCash]

Donald Trump says his administration is about to release “truckloads” of evidence PROVING the 2020 election was “RIGGED” by Democrats"

At the Christmas reception yesterday Donald Trump said: "“They're professionals at cheating because we won in 2016 by a lot. The election was rigged in 2020. We have all the ammunition, all the stuff, and you'll see it come out. It's coming out in truckloads”

“California more than any other place is so rigged. It's such a rigged election — If the vote in California was legitimate, which it's not, they have 38 million ballots. Everything is mail-in voting. They mail out 38 million ballots, and they come in. Where the hell did they go, and where did they come from?

"It's a rigged election in California, because we would win California by a lot”

The quotes above start at 31:56 in the video and he continues with more comments about elections:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/videos/president-trump-delivers-remarks-at-a-christmas-reception/

[Rizotto]

Very interesting. Professor Jeffrey Sachs on the history of the Monroe doctrine and its evolution.
Donald Trump does not respect any rules, he makes them up as he goes along, Trump exercises power that he does not have.
The senate is inept and silent except for Rand Paul.

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs : Trump's Empire of Hubris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPcgkd-sC3s&t=5s

[norman]

1 hour ago

Vice President JD Vance delivers remarks on the economy in Pennsylvania

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[Mike]

Very interesting. Professor Jeffrey Sachs on the history of the Monroe doctrine and its evolution.
Donald Trump does not respect any rules, he makes them up as he goes along, Trump exercises power that he does not have.
The senate is inept and silent except for Rand Paul.

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs : Trump's Empire of Hubris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPcgkd-sC3s&t=5s


Jeffrey Sachs is a WEF stooge!:facepalm:

His whole resume is a testimony to globalist politics. Besides the WEF, he's deeply involved with the bloody WHO and the UN! What else do you need to see?? A picture of him blowing David Rockefeller??

Sachs is about as illegitimate as the flat earth. This is like conspiracy 101! Why is everyone suddenly seeking f'in Jeffrey Sachs out for their information?

[Rizotto]

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/trump-mocks-rob-reiner-suggests-without-evidence-his-liberal-politics-led-his-2025-12-15/

Trump mocks slain actor Rob Reiner, drawing swift bipartisan condemnation
by Jeff Mason - December 15, 2025

WASHINGTON, Dec 15 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump mocked Rob Reiner in a social media post on Monday, suggesting the slain actor and director died because of his anti-Trump views — a remark that triggered swift and bipartisan backlash for injecting politics into a family tragedy.
A vocal Democratic activist, Reiner, 78, and his wife Michele, 70, were found dead in their home on Sunday. Their son Nick Reiner was arrested on homicide charges. Police have yet to ascribe a motive.

In a post on Truth Social, Trump referred to Rob Reiner as "tortured and struggling" and said Reiner and his wife had passed away "reportedly due to the anger he caused" by opposing the Republican president.
"He was known to have driven people CRAZY by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump," the president said.
The White House reposted Trump's comments on its official "Rapid Response" account on X.
The president, who frequently lashes out at his opponents and praises public figures who support him, offered no evidence that Reiner's political views contributed in any way to the couple's death.

Trump's comments on Monday drew criticism from across the political spectrum.
"Regardless of how you felt about Rob Reiner, this is inappropriate and disrespectful discourse about a man who was just brutally murdered," wrote Republican U.S. Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky.

"This is a family tragedy, not about politics or political enemies," wrote Republican U.S. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia.
Both Massie and Greene are Trump critics, a rarity within the president's party.
But even House Speaker Mike Johnson, a major Trump ally, distanced himself from the president's post. "We have to appeal to our better angels, and I think we've got to amplify those voices and those sentiments. So that's my position on it,” he told reporters when asked about Trump's comments.
Asked in the Oval Office if he stood by the post after the Republican criticism, Trump replied that he was not a Reiner fan.

Reiner told Variety in 2017 during Trump's first term that Trump was "mentally unfit" and called him "the single most unqualified human being to ever assume the presidency of the United States."
Trump said in his post on Monday that Reiner had the "mind crippling disease known as TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME," a term the president uses for many of his critics.
The Democratic Party called Trump's post "heartless."
David Axelrod, a former adviser to President Barack Obama, called it perverse. "The absence of empathy & grace for the Reiner family in their moment of profound loss and grief is sad and revealing," he wrote on X.
Republicans and Trump supporters were sharply critical of anyone who highlighted right-leaning activist Charlie Kirk's controversial views in the aftermath of his murder in September.

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Unaccountable: Donald Trump’s bizarre and cruel behavior continues to worsen mainly because he’s surrounded by core supporters who squash any criticism of him.

Scott Ritter : Schumer / Trump / Tucker & Fuentes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGR9X2G9wvo

[BMJ]

General Motors Invests $550M In Factory to Double Down on Gas-Powered Cars

Detroit automaking mainstay General Motors is making a massive investment to substantially boost its output of gas-powered models at its US factories.

In an announcement released on November 20, the automaker announced that it will invest $550 million in two component plants in Michigan and Ohio that directly supply plants making some of its most well-known cars, particularly as it plans to ramp up production of its larger SUVs.

Key Points
GM invests $550 million in Ohio and Michigan plants to boost gas-powered car production.
The investment aims to upgrade technology, support workforce, and secure future American manufacturing.
It's all part of GM’s larger $5.5 billion plan to expand gas-powered vehicle output.

Link: https://www.autoblog.com/news/general-motors-invests-500m-in-factory-to-double-down-on-gas-powered-cars

[BMJ]

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/trump-mocks-rob-reiner-suggests-without-evidence-his-liberal-politics-led-his-2025-12-15/

Trump mocks slain actor Rob Reiner, drawing swift bipartisan condemnation
by Jeff Mason - December 15, 2025

Trump's comments on Monday drew criticism from across the political spectrum.
"Regardless of how you felt about Rob Reiner, this is inappropriate and disrespectful discourse about a man who was just brutally murdered," wrote Republican U.S. Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky.


Who was Rob Reiner? And now you know why President Trump took a swipe at him.

Link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103615-Hollyweird-GreatAwakening&p=1695670&viewfull=1#post1695670

[Mike Gorman]

We must remember that Trump gained a really massive vote, whichever side of this political bird you favor the people of America said "Have at it Trump, do what you think is best to reclaim America" - they really did - in the case of Trump there was zero need for clever tricks (the man is a living trick), while the dems & the permanent bureaucracy depend on their clever lies, Trump knows that he has an historic mandate, this has never really been achieved since the time of Washington. This is the reality, there is only a short time to pull off a stupendous defeat of the globalists, we might cringe & feel surprise with Trump, but this is a unique event: the true crossroads of Western civilization, this includes RUSSIA, I keep this in mind. While Trump may offend our sensibilities at times, this is the last chance we have of overcoming the vast Evil of our time, I really think this is true.

[Rizotto]

We must remember that Trump gained a really massive vote, whichever side of this political bird you favor the people of America said "Have at it Trump, do what you think is best to reclaim America" - they really did - in the case of Trump there was zero need for clever tricks (the man is a living trick), while the dems & the permanent bureaucracy depend on their clever lies, Trump knows that he has an historic mandate, this has never really been achieved since the time of Washington. This is the reality, there is only a short time to pull off a stupendous defeat of the globalists, we might cringe & feel surprise with Trump, but this is a unique event: the true crossroads of Western civilization, this includes RUSSIA, I keep this in mind. While Trump may offend our sensibilities at times, this is the last chance we have of overcoming the vast Evil of our time, I really think this is true.

I agree, Trump gained a massive win last elections (and probably in 2020 too). But let's be clear why. Trump's main promises were to release the Epstein files, 'no more foreign wars', close the borders, and end the extremist trans ideology. That's why people voted for him for the most part. Looks to me that Trump ended the trans extremism, and closed the border. But he completely dropped the Epstein files and is now starting a new war against Venezuela. Along with the fact that Trump is still helping Israel genocide Palestinians, and is still contributing military support to Ukraine (they couldn't do anything without USA providing satellite surveillance data and on-site manpower for high tech military equipment).

So, how exactly is Trump fighting the globalists? The mass immigration and trans thing are relatively minor compared to the zio-globalist agenda of human trafficking & blackmail operations, political infiltration, regime change wars & pillage, covert terrorist operations, total surveillance, media control, etc. which both Republicans and Democrats have inflicted on the american public and on the world. Many americans see that Trump betrayed them, but not enough of them to make a much-needed revolution happen, it seems.

[Rizotto]

So it's not about drugs anymore? It's about imaginary 'theft'?
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https://www.rt.com/news/629536-venezuela-trump-oil-threat/

December 17, 2025

Venezuela responds to Trump’s oil blockade
The US president has demanded Caracas “return stolen assets” or face the wrath of the American naval armada

Venezuela has denounced US President Donald Trump’s oil blockade on the country, saying his “interventionist and colonialist” rhetoric proves Washington’s long-standing plan to seize Venezuelan natural resources.

Trump had announced the move in a Truth Social post on Tuesday, describing it as “a total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers going into, and out of, Venezuela.”

In an official statement released late Tuesday, Venezuelan Vice President Delcy Rodriguez said Trump’s remarks revealed the “true intention” of the United States “to take over the oil, land, and minerals of Venezuela.”

The government rejected Trump’s claim that Venezuela had “stolen” assets from Washington and denounced his rhetoric as “interventionist and colonialist.” The statement accused the US president of violating international law, free trade, and freedom of navigation by ordering US naval forces in the Caribbean to prevent “sanctioned tankers” from entering or leaving Venezuelan waters.

“Through his social media statements, the president of the United States assumes that Venezuela’s oil, land, and mineral wealth belong to him,” the statement said. “On that basis, he seeks to impose a naval military blockade with the objective of robbing the riches that belong to our homeland.”

Rodriguez said Washington’s actions were part of a “gigantic campaign of lies and manipulation” aimed at justifying the appropriation of the country’s natural resources. She added that the US had always sought to dominate Venezuela economically and politically, regardless of changes in administration.

The government said Venezuela would exercise its rights under international law, its constitution, and the UN Charter, reaffirming its sovereignty over its natural resources and its right to free navigation and commerce in the Caribbean and beyond.

“Venezuela will never again be a colony of an empire or any foreign power,” the statement said.

Since September, the US military has killed more than 80 people in attacks on alleged cartel boats, which Trump claimed were being used by the Venezuelan government to “flood” America with narcotics. Venezuela has denied any involvement in drug trafficking and said the strikes were part of a regime change plot to plunder the country’s natural resources.

[sdv]

Briefly going down the rabbit hole of why so many people support Trump. Many, including Trump, had no problem with mocking and attacking Biden, and trying to convince everyone that he had completely lost his mind to dementia, so it cannot be about defending 'our president' at all costs. Hitler was popular, but he was not a good man, and he did not save Germany ... he ended up almost destroying it. Perhaps Trump is simply a reflection of the high degree of narcissism in American society (self absorption, lack of empathy, shallow, materialistic, fantabulists, intolerant if criticsm ...). It is the quiet ones who get on with work without seeking public attention (and I am sure there are many) who will pick up the pieces, clear away the rubble, and rebuild one day (perhaps they will be wise enough to join with the indigenous people to do so). But, in the meanwhile, so many, including Musk, have allowed themselves to be brainwashed and corrupted, and have embraced bullying and attacking both individuals and groups of people.

I am going to be foolish enough to point out one of the flaws I see in the American system: the presidency itself. A president is elected for 4 years, and is regarded as approaching lame duck status by about the middle of that term, and is restricted by vicious bi-partisan politics and obligations to donors throughout the time in the presidency. China works with a series of 5 year plans, over more than 30 years. That is how it has been able to transform itself. I am not suggesting that the USA should adopt the Chinese political model, but perhaps there should be some soul searching about money in politics and the short term that a president has (long enough to create chaos but not long enough to bring about positive development that in the bipartisan political system will not be undone by the next person in the White House). The downside is that you could be stuck with a destructive president for 10 years.

[Jaak]

Interesting how president of USA can give away land that aint his to give ... Rothschild and the jew mafia will be happy . They get to steal even more wealth from Syria than before ...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy

Genie Oil and Gas (GOGAS) explored for conventional oil in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights through its Afek Oil and Gas subsidiary, and pursued oil shale projects through American Shale Oil (AMSO), Israel Energy Initiatives (IEI) and Genie Energy Mongolia. AMSO, IEI, and Genie Energy Mongolia are no longer active. 89% of GOGAS was owned by Genie Energy while Jacob Rothschild, Michael Steinhardt and Rupert Murdoch among others held minority interests.

In February 2013, Israeli authorities awarded Afek Oil and Gas an exclusive 36-month petroleum exploration license to a 153-square-mile (400 km2) plot in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, which the UN recognizes to be Syrian territory.
Afek subsequently conducted above-ground geophysical tests and based on its preliminary analysis, has applied for a ten well exploratory drilling program.
South of Katzrin in the southern Golan Heights in 2015, Afek discovered a substantial amount of oil and natural gas reserves which would make Israel energy self-sufficient.

[Jaak]

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[mountain_jim]

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/trump-mocks-rob-reiner-suggests-without-evidence-his-liberal-politics-led-his-2025-12-15/

Trump mocks slain actor Rob Reiner, drawing swift bipartisan condemnation
by Jeff Mason - December 15, 2025

Trump's comments on Monday drew criticism from across the political spectrum.
"Regardless of how you felt about Rob Reiner, this is inappropriate and disrespectful discourse about a man who was just brutally murdered," wrote Republican U.S. Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky.


Who was Rob Reiner? And now you know why President Trump took a swipe at him.

Link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103615-Hollyweird-GreatAwakening&p=1695670&viewfull=1#post1695670

https://x.com/RealSLokhova/status/2001134551020851311?s=20

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Svetlana Lokhova
@RealSLokhova
Here is Rob Reiner conspiring w. John Brennan and Jim Clapper to overthrow the democratically-elected President Trump as part of the Russiagate Conspiracy.

What was Reiner's connection to the CIA?

Who financed this op?

Svetlana Lokhova
@RealSLokhova
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11h
The coup d'état against the duly-elected US President could have only succeeded if the CIA could carry the public with them.

That's why Obama, Brennan and Clapper turned to their trusted Hollywood assets like Reiner to sell the fake Russiagate narrative to the public.



https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/2001287339637870650?s=20

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GPS—Rob Reiner appears in the immediate vicinity of Barack Hussein Obama II, over 500 times, including in Mexico, where Bill and Hillary Clinton joined them.

Barack and Michelle Obama had planned to meet with Rob Reiner and his wife, Michele Singer Reiner, for dinner on the evening of Sunday, December 14, 2025—the same day their bodies were discovered in their Brentwood home in Los Angeles.

Michelle Obama publicly confirmed this during an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live! on December 15 or 16, stating that she and her husband had known the Reiners for many years and "were supposed to be seeing them that night" before learning of their deaths.

The Committee to Investigate Russia (also known as http://InvestigateRussia.org), a nonprofit organization founded and directed by Rob Reiner in 2017 to highlight Russian interference in U.S. elections, had an advisory board that included four former CIA directors (or acting directors):

Leon Panetta (CIA Director, 2009–2011)

Michael Hayden (CIA Director, 2006–2009; also former NSA Director)

Michael Morell (Acting CIA Director, 2011 and 2012–2013)

John Brennan (CIA Director, 2013–2017; referenced in related events and materials, though primary listings emphasize the above)

Rob Reiner served as a key figure and board member, often credited as "Director" in organizational materials.

The advisory board also featured other intelligence figures like James Clapper (former Director of National Intelligence).

Other organizations Rob Reiner directed or led were First 5 California, the I Am Your Child Foundation/Parents' Action for Children, and the American Foundation for Equal Rights.


Mike Benz
@MikeBenzCyber
Leon Panetta too!! Haha that’s 4 CIA chiefs all huddled around little old Rob Reiner w/ his talents in… Hollywood production

There’s so many CIA chiefs around him u can literally just miss some

This guy throws a Malibu pool party & u need a national security clearance to go in




Svetlana Lokhova
@RealSLokhova
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7h
People ask how I found this video, or even if it’s real because it’s so shocking.

It is real and here is how I found it.

For 9 years, I follow what President Trump says about the Grand Conspiracy because he knows everything. He actually filters how much he reveals to the public because the truth is shocking and people need time to absorb it. So when he said Reiner was one of the organizers of the Russiagate conspiracy, I knew he meant it literally. Then it was the question of finding out precisely how.

We already know that Hillary created Russiagate and Obama organized it. Brennan and Clapper were in charge of implementing in. So it was a just a question of finding how they all connect.

The rest was just lots of research. The video was on Reiner’s website as a placeholder but they actually deleted it to cover tracks. So I found it elsewhere.

[Bill Ryan]

Briefly going down the rabbit hole of why so many people support Trump.I wrote in several places, last year and in 2023, that Trump's advantage and attractiveness as a presidential candidate wasn't who he was, but who he wasn't.

Sadly, it really is starting to appear that he isn't all that very different from those "who he wasn't" after all.

[Mike Gorman]

Must admit I see him servicing the doners, & neocons, not to mention the totally unnecessary Venezuela hostility, perhaps there can never be a truly effective American President any more, since Eisenhour & of course JFK they seem to be frontline managers more than absolute leaders of the 'free world' - Trump being the outsider seemed plausible, but I think you are right Bill, I just hope there is some real fight in this admin...we shall see eh?

[Jaak]

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In 24 hours Trump has:

- Banned Palestinians
- Lamented the “Israeli & Jewish lobby” losing control of congress and vowed to stop this.
- Admitted he took $250M in bribes from Miriam Adelson
- Confirmed to Mark Levin that he is a “Jewish President”

And if you have a problem with any of that Stop Antisemites and the new “highest profile” antisemitism division of the State Department will ruin your life.

[Ravenlocke]

Irlandarra

Mark Levin: 'Now he's the first Jewish President to serve two non-consecutive terms in office.

President Trump: 'True. That's true.

Donald Trump converted to Judaism two years ago according to high level White House official—The ceremony was held in private in 2017”

Watch this 2019 clip where Rick Wiles from Tru News explains it all with evidence.

https://x.com/aldamu_jo/status/2001262015159894390

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ADAM
@AdameMedia
·
10h
“I’m not Christian.”

~President Donald J. Trump

https://x.com/AdameMedia/status/2001215719585861970

2001215719585861970

[Ravenlocke]

DD Geopolitics
🇺🇸🕎 This clip from tonight’s White House Hanukkah dinner is wild, and deeply revealing.

Donald Trump once again openly boasts that Miriam Adelson gave his campaign “directly and indirectly” $250 million, then jokes that it “is not what it used to be.” That alone is a remarkable public admission of donor dominance at the highest level of state power.

But it gets worse.

It was not Donald Trump who first raised the idea of “four more years.” It was Miriam Adelson.

On stage, Adelson tells the room that she spoke directly with Alan Dershowitz, who explained to her “the legal thing about four more years.” She then turns to Trump and says: “I agree with you so we can do it. Think about it.” The crowd immediately begins chanting “Four more years.”

Yes, Alan Dershowitz is physically present at this event. This is the same Dershowitz who served as Jeffrey Epstein’s defense attorney and was later accused by Virginia Giuffre of sexual misconduct connected to Epstein. Regardless, he is being invoked here as the legal authority for extending a presidency beyond constitutional limits.

Trump casually recounts her unfettered access to him, describing how her late husband Sheldon Adelson had near on-demand access to the Oval Office. Trump is explicit about Sheldon’s priorities, saying that despite being an American citizen, “That’s all he really fought for… he just wanted to take care of Israel.”

That alone should stop people cold. Western audiences should not normalize this.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/2001121756837503474

2001121756837503474

[Ravenlocke]

DD Geopolitics

🇺🇸🕎 This clip is disturbing not just for what is being said, but for how power is being framed.

Trump declares flatly: “They hate Israel.”
Who is they? He doesn’t specify at first, but the target quickly becomes Congress itself. He tells the audience that “bad people” are now in Congress, people who would have been “unthinkable” just 12–15 years ago, and warns that even private conversations with lawmakers now produce “glimmers” that alarm him.

This is a delegitimization of an entire branch of government, framed as a moral and security threat.

Trump then. invokes October 7 repeatedly and explicitly analogizes its denial to Holocaust denial, collapsing vastly different historical events into a single moral category. This is not an accident. Holocaust denial is treated in Western political culture as uniquely disqualifying; by equating skepticism, dissent, or even debate around October 7 with Holocaust denial, he is reframing political disagreement as moral pathology.

The implication is, if you question the narrative, you are not wrong, you are dangerous.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/2001126551954579817

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[abmqa]

Briefly going down the rabbit hole of why so many people support Trump.I wrote in several places, last year and in 2023, that Trump's advantage and attractiveness as a presidential candidate wasn't who he was, but who he wasn't.

Sadly, it really is starting to appear that he isn't all that very different from those "who he wasn't" after all.

He never was, who he wasn't. What he was/is a brilliant marketing genius, without any moral values.

[SilentFeathers]

I guess Bongino couldn't stomach all the BS, don't blame him a bit for leaving.

https://x.com/FBIDDBongino/status/2001416238027935836

[onawah]

Power corrupts...:sad:

[norman]

Power corrupts...:sad:

That could apply in this case but I don't yet conclude it's what's happening. Far from it.

Anyone who is really serious about ending a 6,000+ year death cult will have to be into the game up to their armpits and stinking of it too. Trump himself may only be a well chosen instrument anyway. In that way, his flaws and history are as valuable in the fight as his strengths.

Here's an analogy to consider.

The Bond villains lair is massive and structurally impenetrable to anyone but an exceptionally god-level genius lead team, with a lot of patience and who completely ignore the baying crowd of infiltrated (if only spiritually) do-nothing side sitting spectators who think spotting some comings and goings around the area of the lair is vigilant and clever. If they cross reference each other and agree that they have identified a small inflatable approaching and leaving the immediate location of the lair, and agree they have identified who was in the inflatable, their spirits sink with a conclusion of "see, I told you they're all in on it, everyone's a crook".

What if those ongoing and occasionally spotted inflatable dingy activities are actually recognisance and charge setting operations or protective diversions from the same ? That could even apply to Trump reading from his speech notes at a fancy banquet in Windsor Castle.

Logistically, the priority strategy must be to 'turn' people from the enemy side to our side. I'm increasingly uncertain about using the term "our side" as I sense our side is saturated with enemy assets and they are still pouring in as the other side's propaganda machinery is becoming powerless on it's own without the use of false opposition operating from our side of the hill.

Have faith people, it's what it's all about.

[onawah]

My comment was not directed at Trump so much as at the entire "death cult", which has become so corrupt.
I think the time is coming when people will be revolting enmasse like never before, and there are signs that is starting already.
Anyone in a position of power will need to be able to withstand that if they want to remain standing at all.


Power corrupts...:sad:

That could apply in this case but I don't yet conclude it's what's happening. Far from it.

Anyone who is really serious about ending a 6,000+ year death cult will have to be into the game up to their armpits and stinking of it too. Trump himself may only be a well chosen instrument anyway. In that way, his flaws and history are as valuable in the fight as his strengths.

Here's an analogy to consider.

The Bond villains lair is massive and structurally impenetrable to anyone but an exceptionally god-level genius lead team, with a lot of patience and who completely ignore the baying crowd of infiltrated (if only spiritually) do-nothing side sitting spectators who think spotting some comings and goings around the area of the lair is vigilant and clever. If they cross reference each other and agree that they have identified a small inflatable approaching and leaving the immediate location of the lair, and agree they have identified who was in the inflatable, their spirits sink with a conclusion of "see, I told you they're all in on it, everyone's a crook".

What if those ongoing and occasionally spotted inflatable dingy activities are actually recognisance and charge setting operations or protective diversions from the same ? That could even apply to Trump reading from his speech notes at a fancy banquet in Windsor Castle.

Logistically, the priority strategy must be to 'turn' people from the enemy side to our side. I'm increasingly uncertain about using the term "our side" as I sense our side is saturated with enemy assets and they are still pouring in as the other side's propaganda machinery is becoming powerless on it's own without the use of false opposition operating from our side of the hill.

Have faith people, it's what it's all about.

[jaybee]

~
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LIVE: Trump addresses the nation (full speech) (18:21)

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Streamed live 8 hours ago #trump #live
Watch live as President Donald Trump addresses the nation. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters that the president will discuss what he accomplished this year and his plans for the next three years.


I think people (especially the Anti~Trumpers) were expecting a dramatic declaration of war? But waited in vain through the rapid fire speech for it............

[Rizotto]

Quoting Onaway, post #1651 above:
"My comment was not directed at Trump so much as at the entire "death cult", which has become so corrupt.
I think the time is coming when people will be revolting enmasse like never before, and there are signs that is starting already.
Anyone in a position of power will need to be able to withstand that if they want to remain standing at all."

Onawah, can you explain who or what you mean by "death cult"?

[onawah]

I was referring to those puppet masters working behind the scenes whose main agenda seems to be depopulation and creating discord and chaos.

Quoting Onaway, post #1651 above:
"My comment was not directed at Trump so much as at the entire "death cult", which has become so corrupt.
I think the time is coming when people will be revolting enmasse like never before, and there are signs that is starting already.
Anyone in a position of power will need to be able to withstand that if they want to remain standing at all."

Onawah, can you explain who or what you mean by "death cult"?

[jaybee]

(full Trump speech post 1652)

I think people (especially the Anti~Trumpers) were expecting a dramatic declaration of war? But waited in vain through the rapid fire speech for it............

Just as suspected..... Trump outsmarted the Media Trolls and Deep State Puppets etc... by getting them to play his Address to the Nation EVERYWHERE - - - they didn't want to hear what they heard they wanted a WAR to get their teeth into and to start ripping Trump apart - they were so looking forward to it.... then....disappointment -


He TRICKED all of Them into Playing THIS Live on AIR!!! (15:49)

P5iuVyaec9A

@13:22...Tucker speaking to Andrew Napolitano gets the rumour going, good and proper....

some of the comments under the video...


Trump is using their TDS against them 😅
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Best president, best troll, best magician in the USA!!
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Inflation was 9.75% under Joe Biden. It’s at 3% under Trump and he’s been in office for a matter of months.
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We must stand with our President…never give up!
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told everybody yesterday he is about to troll every hater and he did not disappoint😂😂😂😂😂
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that was brilliant 😂 Trump knows their game this time!
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EVERYTHING PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS HAS SPECIFIC INTENT.

[Arcturian108]

This is unusual in that Bongino is still the second in command at the FBI, and although he is resigning, that is not for another couple of weeks:

https://twitter.com/505Cali2/status/2001601755906191780
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[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/Badhombre/status/2001497430617952596?s=20

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Bad Hombre
@Badhombre
The “congressional source” who told Tucker Carlson that President Trump would declare war on Venezuela tonight was Marjorie Taylor Greene.

As she prepares to quit on her constituents midway after accomplishing nothing but self-enrichment for five years, she is doing everything she can to sow chaos before leaving. It won’t work.

[Kryztian]

I don't think I had Trump Derangement Syndrome during the Trump 45 administration, but I don't find too many positive things to say about the Trump 47. But here is one truly good thing he has done:

HHvKcgh53rc

By executive order, Trump has changed marijuana from a schedule I to a schedule III drug. It's been long apparent the marijuana has legitimate medical uses and is not one of the most dangerous drugs out there. As a schedule I drug it was classified as being more dangerous than cocaine or methamphetamine. As a schedule III drug it finds itself in the same class as codeine, ketamine, anabolic steroids, and testosterone.



Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are: heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote.

Schedule II drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a high potential for abuse, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. These drugs are also considered dangerous. Some examples of Schedule II drugs are: combination products with less than 15 milligrams of hydrocodone per dosage unit (Vicodin), cocaine, methamphetamine, methadone, hydromorphone (Dilaudid), meperidine (Demerol), oxycodone (OxyContin), fentanyl, Dexedrine, Adderall, and Ritalin

Schedule III drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a moderate to low potential for physical and psychological dependence. Schedule III drugs abuse potential is less than Schedule I and Schedule II drugs but more than Schedule IV. Some examples of Schedule III drugs are: products containing less than 90 milligrams of codeine per dosage unit (Tylenol with codeine), ketamine, anabolic steroids, testosterone

Schedule IV drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a low potential for abuse and low risk of dependence. Some examples of Schedule IV drugs are: Xanax, Soma, Darvon, Darvocet, Valium, Ativan, Talwin, Ambien, Tramadol

https://www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling

[BMJ]

Britain's Real Fear Isn't Russia—It's This

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Promethean Updates
Dec 18, 2025

Summary:
00:00 The Midweek Update - The 'Boring' Document That Terrifies the British Empire - December 17, 2025
01:53 How London’s Panic is Out In The Open, and Russia Knows It
04:54 New Economic Strategy: People, Not Bankers First
09:04 Phase One: War vs Cartels

In this episode, Susan Kokinda reveals the real reasons behind the British Empire's aggressive stance toward Russia.

It's not about missiles or democracy, but a critical financial report from Washington that threatens the City of London's economic control.

The 2025 FSOC report prioritizes people over financial parasites, marking a fundamental shift in U.S. economic strategy under Trump's administration.

We also discuss the broader implications on U.S.-British relations, the National Security Strategy, and the strategic economic battles involving food security, big pharma, housing stability, and narco-trafficking. Tune in to uncover the economic war underpinning global tensions and subscribe to Promethean Action for more insights.

[Rizotto]

This article discusses decisions made by Donald Trump, so I will post it here for now.
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https://www.rt.com/news/629571-assange-war-nobel-prize-machado/

December 17, 2025

Assange brings ‘instrument of war’ case against Nobel Foundation
The foundation has awarded the Peace Prize to a laureate lobbying for a new US war, the WikiLeaks co-founder argues

WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange has filed a criminal complaint against the Nobel Foundation, accusing it of misusing Nobel Peace Prize funds by awarding them to Venezuelan opposition figure Maria Corina Machado, who has publicly called on the US to attack her own country.

The complaint, dated Wednesday and submitted to Sweden’s Economic Crime Authority and War Crimes Unit, where the Nobel Foundation is based, argues that Alfred Nobel’s will legally restricts Peace Prize funds to purposes that promote peace and bars their use to advance war or foreign military intervention.

Disbursing prize money to Machado violates that mandate and could constitute a crime under Swedish law, Assange contends, while warning that the Nobel Peace Prize could be used as an “instrument of war.”

The complaint cites a series of public statements in which Machado endorsed potential US military intervention in Venezuela, while defending Washington’s use of force amid its heavy military buildup in the Caribbean. Assange pointed out that she had justified US strikes on boats off Venezuela’s coast, which have killed 95 people to date. The US maintains it is targeting “narco-terrorists,” while the UN has condemned the strikes as “extrajudicial killings.”

“There are ample public statements... showing that the US government and Maria Corina Machado have exploited the authority of the prize to provide them with a casus moralis for war with the object of installing her by force in order to plunder $1.7 trillion in Venezuelan oil and other resources.”

A day earlier, President Donald Trump boasted that Venezuela is surrounded by “the largest armada ever assembled in the history of South America,” while promising to tighten the screws on Caracas until they “return… all of the oil, land and other assets that they previously stole from us.”

America’s military action in the region has been accompanied by ever tightening political pressure on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, whom Washington has accused of having ties to narco-cartels. However, Maduro denies these accusations, branding them a “colonialist” regime-change campaign waged to grab resources.

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said US actions off Venezuela’s coast “undermine hopes that an agreement can be reached” with Washington.

[bobme]

I have A Question. Since Trump has stated, he is now Jewish, Does that mean he now considers all non-Jewish people,as goyum?

[Mike Gorman]

I observe as one man standing from a great distance, I have zero illusions as to my true significance to the geopolitical outcomes/current condition, obviously none of us can claim to have any leverage or capacity to influence anything that is currently taking place - regardless of how astute, or well informed we claim to be. However to me this Venezuelan project from the Trump administration looks like a massive, stupid mistake: of all of the options open to this administration they have chosen to pursue this one, the American supporters of Trump are absolutely gobsmacked, they all say 'WTF'? This has alienated Trump from his organic base - even if he has some genius-level long term plan where Venezuelan resources will liberate America from its economic woes, which I very much doubt, Trump it seems has managed to bring about the destruction his presidency IF he cannot turn this one around, this is a stupendous error. I personally hope Trump can fix this, but he really needs some wise council. I find this difficult to comprehend, after all of that struggle & building trust with the American people, to waste this on such a gargantuan catastrophe - I am simply without words.

[Rizotto]

"Miriam Adelson has offered to give Trump hundreds of millions if he runs for a 3rd term"
Zionist Offers Trump Millions To Run For 3rd Term

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzql7pMGTB0

[Rizotto]

"From boat strikes on “narco terrorists” to open declaration of oil theft, CIA analyst Larry Johnson and former Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson reveal the real reason why Trump’s war on Venezuela has already failed."
GAME OVER, Trump: His Venezuela Oil War Just BACKFIRED | Larry Johnson & Col. Wilkerson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFh0hvXUBDI

[Rizotto]

The Epstein file behind the unravelling of the Trump team?

FBI’S Dan Bongino HEROICALLY Quits the FBI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbV1y6cIt6I

[Rizotto]

"A billionaire put $75 million into the Trump family crypto company. His SEC probe was dropped.
Binance helped them make a crypto coin and facilitated a $2 billion deal. The founder was pardoned.
The Trumps are using crypto to enable brazen corruption at the highest level."
We Investigated The Criminals Who Bought Trump: What We Found Will Shock You

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFhxEEXQaa8

[shaberon]

...the American supporters of Trump are absolutely gobsmacked, they all say 'WTF'? This has alienated Trump from his organic base



I just checked, and everyone where I am from voted to impeach.

Out here, I have slipped across one of those gerrymandering lines, and it is correct that zero Republicans support the motion.

A blockade is a war crime, so are extra-judicial killings.

We may be close to a Resolution that will turn off the military action.

Its opponents are the Republicans and one Democrat, with no Independents voting.

The motion has an unusual sticking power in that it can be brought up at any time and passed in an hour:



Mr. Mast asked unanimous consent that it be in order at any time to consider H. Con. Res. 61 and H. Con. Res. 64 in the House if called up by the Chair of the Committee on Foreign Affairs or his designee; that each such concurrent resolution be considered as read; and that the previous question be considered as ordered on each such concurrent resolution to adoption without intervening motion except for: 1) with respect to H. Con. Res. 61, one hour of debate equally divided and controlled by the Chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs or their respective designees; and 2) with respect to H. Con. Res. 64, one hour of debate equally divided among and controlled by Representative Mast of Florida, Representative Meeks of New York, and Representative McGovern of Massachusetts or their respective designees.


Now, of course, that is basically a set of instructions telling him to do his job, which he is not. If they won't impeach over prior failure to perform, violating a House Resolution would probably tip the scales.

Someone should ask when the budget runs out in January and how he is going to bring another shutdown (after the longest one in history).

[sdv]

A blockade is a war crime, so are extra-judicial killings.


The JFK Cuba Crisis (October 1962): a 13-day naval blockade was imposed. Cuba has just as must sovereign right to have nuclear missiles as the USA did.

Obama was notorious for killing people, including children, in other countries with drones, and illegally doing a commando style raid in a foreign country to kill Bin Laden.

Just two examples ...

What makes Trump different? Personally, I think America has sunk to a new low with Trump, but perhaps he is also an opportunity for self reflection. Can a president be impeached for not living up to his promises in an election campaign, and then lying about breaking all those promises? Unfortunately, in the democratic system, I think you do not have the mechanism to remove a president for lying, or for doing a turnaround on election promises. Maybe there is a group of really well informed people who will find something that they can use to impeach him. Remember Al Capone? Sent to prison for cheating on his taxes, so remember that if Congress and the Senate try to impeach Trump for something that may seem petty!

[JackMcThorn]

Blockades have been used for *centuries* to control sea going movements and apply pressure to adversaries. War crime is thrown around so willy-nilly that everything involving war might be considered criminal and yet, combat still happens and there is little to be done about it in any sort of court resolution process. War means killing and destroying. It means the cyclical advancement of goals through violence. It means 'prepare for peace through excellence on behalf of the war-fighter - in whatever trained form he or she finds themself serving'.

And America is slowing adjusting from a red-tape, hands-bound set of rules of engagement to more of a warrior mentality. A mentality much needed since the more liberal hand-cuffing of decades past. Most of the time, the officers and enlisted were / are following the law; many times at their own detriment.

The thing about Cuba is, they were hosting Russian missiles. They were basically a tool for Russia. These tiny countries with dictator style totalitarian governments are not ideal to wield the power of nuclear weapons, so I think any sovereign right is at least debatable and at most regrettable. JFK was handling the threat from the Russian - not Cuban. So I think it is a moot point. Cuba is not really seen as the tip of that spear - they were just an agreeable entity in proximity. The Russian threat was deadly and very serious and even JFK remarked on his own that he could and should have handled the Russian better than he did, as he felt quite unprepared.

The thing about Bin Laden is indeed debatable regarding legality. The reason is there really isn't and should not be a powerful world court. This would include the absence of laws and process - due process. A process that could have handled Bin Laden without violent conflict. But nary, the world is not ready for unity. It is clear in the haphazard world organizations that exist but sort of aren't really doing anything. If at most times you cannot get 2 people to agree; what makes you think you can get 2oo countries to agree? What is the UN actually good at?

The impeach Trump ship has sailed, btw. His actions are indeed having an influence. Now I don't always agree with him and I think he should be much better at communications but the duality of the country is probably the key to its failure - not Trump. Generally, good leadership is seen more keenly after the fact than during. That also accounts for bad leadership. Hindsight is usually 2o/2o.

I hope you see the intent of my missive rather than the posture. I respectfully disagree.

[ThePythonicCow]

I think you do not have the mechanism to remove a president for lying
Impeachment is a political event, not a legal event.

Convince enough people that a President is "bad", or convince (bribe, blackmail, extort, ...) enough politicians and news media to carry that pretense, and impeachment can succeed.

[shaberon]

Impeachment is a political event, not a legal event.

Convince enough people that a President is "bad", or convince (bribe, blackmail, extort, ...) enough politicians and news media to carry that pretense, and impeachment can succeed.


That's correct; and it has never succeeded. Trump has been impeached twice. It has successfully prosecuted a couple of judges.

It is more of a wear-down tactic against the momentum of whatever is perceived as objectionable.

You technically could impeach him for sneezing into a microphone, if enough people agreed to it.

No form of violence as a matter of force projection will ever be agreed with by this person.

A lot is done about violence in courts, particularly Americanized ones against African fighters. This is fairly consistent. Otherwise, it is mostly a marker of hypocrisy that you can just know the same standards do not apply to everyone.

At least Pearl Harbor Venezuela is in abeyance. Resolution 64 has about 49% of the Congress effectively rebuking it. The only reason I don't want to see that line drawn and crossed is because Venezuela would take the hit for it.

[Rizotto]

"Dr. Glenn Diesen is a Scholarly Teaching Fellow at the Department of Security Studies and Criminology at Macquarie University. He studied international relations, Russian foreign policy, and security institutions in the European post-Cold War security architecture. His PhD thesis was on ‘Inter-democratic security institutions and the security dilemma: EU and NATO relations with Russia after the Cold War’, which addressed the ideational and institutional influence on the rationality of EU and NATO decision-makers from a neoclassical realist perspective. Glenn Diesen joins the show to discuss Ukraine, China and South America"
Why Venezuela Is Ground Zero in America’s Global Panic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJnNYgsDI-Y

[sdv]

I think you do not have the mechanism to remove a president for lying
Impeachment is a political event, not a legal event.

Convince enough people that a President is "bad", or convince (bribe, blackmail, extort, ...) enough politicians and news media to carry that pretense, and impeachment can succeed.

Oh, so it is all about politics! Politics really is destructive. Has Trump done anything that another president has not done? It does not mean he is not a self-aggrandizing bully that is a danger to most of the world and has not committed appalling war crimes (many 'world' leaders have and are committing war crimes and getting away with it). This is an eternal political squabble ... perhaps apt in the time of social media dumbing down when a person can be cancelled by a baying mob, despite laws protecting free speech.

If, using the Al Capone strategy, politicians do manage to impeach the president, who would replace Trump, and what would Trump do (start a civil war?)? Trump is commander in chief. Would military and law enforcement be loyal to him?

[ThePythonicCow]

Oh, so it is all about politics!
Only partly.


Has Trump done anything that another president has not done?
Yes.


Would military and law enforcement be loyal to him?
For the most part, yes.

[norman]

And how much is American politics, as Paul mentioned a couple of days ago somewhere here, about herding cats.

If I was bidding for a multibillion dollar contract to herd all the cats in America I think I'd go for a strategy of getting them to go around in circles. That's about as herd-like as I think I could ever expect.

[Rizotto]

https://www.rt.com/news/629816-trump-us-billion-settlement/

December 20, 2025

Trump says he could pay himself $1 billion in damages from federal funds
If this happens, the money would go to charity, the US president has promised

Donald Trump has claimed that he could pay himself $1 billion in US government money as damages for a raid carried out at his Mar-a-Lago estate by the FBI.

Federal agents searched Trump’s property in Palm Beach, Florida in August 2022 as part of an investigation into his alleged mishandling of classified documents during his first term in office. Last year, the case was dismissed by a judge, who ruled that Special Counsel Jack Smith did not have the authority to prosecute the president.

Trump addressed the issue during his rally in Rocky Mount, North Carolina on Friday, calling the search “illegal” and claiming that the FBI had been “forced” to conduct the operarion by the then President Joe Biden's Department of Justice (DOJ).

“These thugs are disgusting and we cannot let them get away with this stuff,” he insisted.

The president told the crowd that he had filed a lawsuit over the raid and assured that he will be “winning” it.

“There is only one problem… I am suing and I am the one that is supposed to settle. So maybe I will give myself $1 billion and give it all to charity. Does that make sense?” he asked.

Trump claimed that “there has never been a case like this. Donald Trump sues the US. Donald Trump becomes president. And now Donald Trump has to settle the suit… Isn’t that a strange position to be in? I have got to make a deal – I negotiate with myself.”

“’I hereby give myself $1 billion.’ Actually, maybe I shouldn't give it to charity. Maybe I should keep the money... No, I don’t want to do it. But whatever happens, it is all going to good charities,” he promised.

Trump’s lawyers filed two separate administrative claims in 2023 and 2024 over DOJ’s investigations into him. The claims are technically not lawsuits and are first reviewed by the US Department of Justice to determine if they can be resolved out of court.

The New York Times reported in October that the president has been pushing for the DOJ to pay him a $230 million settlement.

[Rizotto]

https://www.rt.com/news/629828-us-seizes-venezuela-oil-tanker/

December 20, 2025

US seizes another oil tanker off Venezuela (VIDEO)
President Donald Trump has previously accused Caracas of “stealing” Washington’s energy assets

The United States has seized another oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, escalating pressure on Caracas just days after President Donald Trump announced a “total and complete” blockade of unilaterally sanctioned oil shipments.

US Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem confirmed the raid on Saturday, saying the US Coast Guard, with support from the Department of War, apprehended a tanker that had recently docked in Venezuela.

Noem also published a video of the operation in a post on X, claiming that the pre-dawn action targeted the “illicit movement of sanctioned oil” allegedly used to fund “narco-terrorism” in the region.

The move comes amid a US military buildup near Venezuela and follows Trump’s order earlier this week to block all “sanctioned” oil tankers entering or leaving the country. However, unlike a tanker seized earlier this month, the vessel intercepted this weekend was not itself under US sanctions and was carrying Venezuelan crude bound for Asia, according to CNN.

The seizure took place in international waters and marks the second such interdiction in recent weeks. Since the first interdiction, several vessels have reportedly remained in Venezuelan waters rather than risk seizure, sharply reducing the country’s crude exports.

Earlier this week, Trump accused Venezuela of “stealing” US oil assets and investments, saying Washington “wants it back” and warning that otherwise Caracas would feel the wrath of the “largest armada ever assembled in the history of South America.”

The growing US pressure campaign since September has included naval deployments, vessel seizures, and dozens of US strikes on alleged drug-trafficking boats near Venezuela, which US officials say have killed more than 100 suspected cartel members.

Caracas has denied any involvement in drug smuggling and condemned the seizures and blockade as illegal acts of piracy, warning that it will defend its sovereignty. Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has accused Washington of pursuing regime change to gain control of the country’s vast oil reserves.

Russia and China have also weighed in, urging restraint. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov warned that escalating tensions could lead to “unforeseen developments,” while China’s Foreign Ministry said Beijing opposes “unilateralism and bullying” and supports Venezuela’s sovereign right to trade freely.

The US has not ruled out further action, with Trump recently saying that even land strikes on Venezuela remain on the table.

[Rizotto]

Trump's 'Take Iraqi oil' quote video compilation by Abizaid N. Alqassier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saqkQU5anI0

We're in 2025 and nothing has changed.

[Rizotto]

Very interesting. And very chilling. Who wants to live in a future like that?


"Prof. Jiang Xueqin reveals what no one is talking about: Israel's hidden hand in Trump's war on Venezuela and predicts the demise of US empire. In this video, he sits down with Danny Haiphong to comment on the significance of this, and the underlying competition for an Israeli empire that's being kept secret by the elites."
WW3 Bombshell: Israel’s HIDDEN Hand in Venezuela | Prof Jiang Xueqin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GZuCC2V6sA

[Johnnycomelately]

Sounds fine to me. I wonder what Trump-haters like bojancan have to say about this.

Judge Convicted After SECRETLY Helping Abuser Escape Deportation.

Nate The Lawyer

709K subscribers

Dec 20, 2025


A sitting judge is now a convicted felon — after helping a domestic violence abuser evade ICE inside her own courtroom. Surveillance footage shows how federal agents were deliberately sent away while the defendant was escorted out a private exit. The jury rejected the judge’s immunity claim and returned a felony verdict that effectively ended her career. In this video, Nate breaks down the courtroom video, the failed legal defenses, and why protecting a violent abuser crossed a criminal line. This wasn’t compassion — it was obstruction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqOrjogtnOc[/url]

[Rizotto]

So, the latest release of additional Epstein files show that Trump was implicated in the abuse, after all. Explicit evidence of this is shown in the video below.
To all of you devoted Trump fans: please don't attack the messenger.
Because there are fateful plans being cooked up right now as distraction, like provoking wars against Iran and Venezuela.
Take a deep breath, look at the evidence, and think of the most appropriate course of action. The suggestion of stopping paying taxes might be a good first step.

The Epstein Files are a Totally Redacted JOKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTypqJGhx4&t=603s

[Rizotto]

Trump is risking world peace, two of the three oil tankers he seized are Chinese.


"Epstein reveal charade. Drain the swamp? Trump's Epstein connection flushes him down the plughole. Maria Farmer reported it all to the FBI in 1999. Deliberate overlook"
MONOLOGUE: Trump crucified. But it doesn't feel like Christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUbLrIy_-qk

[sdv]

So, the latest release of additional Epstein files show that Trump was implicated in the abuse, after all. Explicit evidence of this is shown in the video below.
To all of you devoted Trump fans: please don't attack the messenger.
Because there are fateful plans being cooked up right now as distraction, like provoking wars against Iran and Venezuela.
Take a deep breath, look at the evidence, and think of the most appropriate course of action. The suggestion of stopping paying taxes might be a good first step.

The Epstein Files are a Totally Redacted JOKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTypqJGhx4&t=603s

It is quite chilling what emerges from the witness accounts (but I think there are messages between Epstein and Trump that have emerged that are very questionable, so that is material evidence, not witness testimony). Epstein was a ruthless bully, and so many knew what was going on and flocked around him. To be pessimistic, I do not think that there will be any accountability for participants, and there will be no change in the behaviour of elites.

[shaberon]

This is an eternal political squabble ... perhaps apt in the time of social media dumbing down when a person can be cancelled by a baying mob, despite laws protecting free speech.

If, using the Al Capone strategy, politicians do manage to impeach the president, who would replace Trump, and what would Trump do (start a civil war?)? Trump is commander in chief. Would military and law enforcement be loyal to him?


Removed from office, he would no longer be commander for them to be loyal to.

Nixon resigned; therefor, Gerald Ford became president in an unelected manner. Nothing came from court, but scandal was enough to change his behavior. Markets and supporters blow around like leaves in the wind over these matters. That is why exposure is important.

No Civil War has ever taken place here. The War between the States was an attempt to remove the authority of Washington in exactly the same way the Revolution removed the authority of the British. There in England, there have been civil wars, meaning a rival party usurped control of the whole country.

Nobody is going to try to take over Washington D. C.. Then as now, we are saying this is not a good system to the level that we don't want it. There's no discussion to be had on the future of a bloated, amoral war machine; we are stuck at the impasse where it continues.

In the sense this squabble is eternal, yes, this is more correct; many regimes displaying the symptom that, during the course of their existence, some particular class will elevate and insulate themselves using a body of law, which typically exploits the other classes. Then they will try to tell you that you need it or have to have it. Anything to maintain the position.

I would say it is unlikely for an impeachment to have any consequences, but, things change if we go to the level of Congressional Resolutions limiting the use of force. I'm not sure that has a precursor.

[BMJ]

The Future, Fusion Reactors & Cheap Prescription Drugs


Trump’s Fusion Gamble: The Move That Terrifies Globalists

-3yTM8Cch6Y

Promethean Updates
Dec 21, 2025

Summary:
00:00 The Saturday Wrap-Up - Trump’s Fusion Gamble: The Move That Terrifies Globalists - December 20, 2025
04:09 The Affordability Fight: Trump's Winning on Prices
08:33 Fusion Changes Everything: The Power Race of the Century
11:21 Moon, Mars & Missile Defense: Trump's Space Frontier

In this episode, Barbara Boyd discusses Donald Trump's bold endorsement of commercial fusion power through the merger of Truth Social with TAE Technologies. This groundbreaking venture aims to produce the first commercial fusion reactor, promising economic and military supremacy for the nation that wins this new 'fusion race.' Devin Nunez, CEO of Truth Social, outlines the significance of this merger, highlighting potential impacts on energy prices and the broader economy.

Link: https://tae.com/

The episode addresses the assassination of fusion scientist Nuno Loureiro, positing it as a possible attack on this transformative initiative.

Link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122937-PLASMA-Technology-breakthrough--as-reported-by-Randall-Carlson-&p=1696023&viewfull=1#post1696023

Trump’s recent initiatives on tariffs, prescription drug prices, defense, and space exploration are analyzed, illustrating a cohesive strategy to break away from globalist control and usher in an era of sustained prosperity. Boyd emphasizes the importance of public awareness and action in supporting this vision for America's future.

[BMJ]

They Lied About Turning Point: Vance Exposes the REAL Operation

S7Qdppy5xNQ

Promethean Updates
Dec 23, 2025

Summary:
00:00 The Monday Brief - The Secret Plot to Destroy Charlie Kirk's Legacy: FAILED - December 22, 2025
03:03 Inside the Psywar: How They Tried to Break Turning Point—And Failed
08:08 Epstein's Real Story: Intelligence Asset, Not the Qanon Fantasy
10:53 Rob Reiner's Secret Role: Hollywood Director of the Russiagate Coup

In this episode, Barbara Boyd provides an in-depth analysis of Vice President JD Vance's speech at the Amfest Conference of Turning Point USA. She highlights the intense psychological warfare operations aimed at dismantling the coalition that elected Donald Trump, the exploitation of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, and the implications of Hollywood's involvement in intelligence operations against Trump. Boyd also delves into the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk and the strategic responses to ongoing psy-war tactics leading up to the midterms.

[Rizotto]

Trump's brilliant logic:
'We need Greenland for national protection, we need it for national protection, chinese & russian ships sail by greenland coast, we need greenland for national protection'.
So convincing!

‘We need it for national protection’: Trump appoints special envoy for Greenland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vqoyxNsvc

Danish FM Says US Pressure For Greenland Is Completely Unacceptable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=polWSOjsKG0

[Rizotto]

Maybe first ask Greenlanders what they think of the idea? And definitely should ask the "America First" base what they think about $$$ spent on more military bases abroad.


"Jeff Landry, President Trump’s newly appointed special envoy to Greenland, says his goal is to make the autonomous Danish territory “part of the U.S.” Landry, the sitting Republican governor of Louisiana, made the comment in a post Sunday night thanking Trump for naming him to the position of special envoy."
New Trump Envoy Wants To Make Greenland 'Part Of The U.S.' | TRENDING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfOkS8WQjxY

__________________________

The following event happened about a year ago. It’s rather surprising that Charlie Kirk was participating in staging this event. Did he really know what he got involved into?

https://newrepublic.com/post/190070/donald-trump-jr-greenland-staged-homeless

January 9, 2025

Donald Trump Jr.’s Ridiculous Greenland Trip Just Took a Dark Turn
It appears the whole thing was staged.

A MAGA visit intended to make Greenland look pro–Donald Trump appears staged from the bottom up.

The so-called tourism trip saw Donald Trump Jr., far-right political pundit Charlie Kirk, and Trump administration staffer Sergio Gor visit the self-governing Danish territory at a time when the president-elect has made some odd jokes and eyebrow-raising militaristic threats about buying Greenland.

The trio’s presence on the island—and myriad photo ops with local residents—was not taken well by some of Greenland’s politicians, who slammed Don Jr.’s visit as a stunt to make the territory appear open to U.S. governance. Pipaluk Lynge, the chair of Greenland’s parliamentary foreign and security policy committee, told Politico that the territory wants its “own independence and democracy.” Lynge also warned the United States not to “invade” the nation, which is largely composed of Indigenous tribes, in light of its historical treatment of Alaska’s Indigenous population.

“Greenland is not for sale and will never be for sale,” Aaja Chemnitz, another member of Greenland’s Parliament, told NBC News.

But some of the behind-the-scenes details of the pro-Trump expedition are even worse.

Danish media reported Thursday that a series of photos featuring Kirk and Greenlandic residents in MAGA hats was staged. The MAGA cohort reportedly rounded up homeless people from the area—including one person from under a bridge—promising them a meal at the Hotel Hans Egede in exchange for their participation in the pro-Trump photo circuit.

Videos of the trip that circulated on X describe the Greenlandic participants as “the local community in Nuuk,” but several local sources that spoke with DR News described the photographed individuals as “homeless and socially disadvantaged” people who are often outside the supermarket directly across from the hotel where the Trump event was held.

“All they have to do is put on a cap and be in the Trump staff’s videos. They are being bribed, and it is deeply distasteful,” Tom Amtoft, a 28-year resident of Nuuk, told the Danish news outlet.

Amtoft reportedly witnessed the group’s attempts to get locals to wear the MAGA caps for the photos, describing the process as “very aggressive.” He said the Trump envoys chose a “selective” group of people “who could say that Greenland should be bought.”

[Rizotto]

"The U.S. is pursuing a third oil tanker they claim is linked to Venezuela, after President Trump declared an oil blockade on the country, in his latest attempt to force President Nicolás Maduro out of power."
Why WAR on Venezuela Now? US, Israel DESPERATE for Control in Latin America | Patrick Henningsen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdHy2mNntmw

[norman]

. . . I observe as one man standing from a great distance, I have zero illusions as to my true significance to the geopolitical outcomes/current condition, obviously none of us can claim to have any leverage or capacity to influence anything that is currently taking place - regardless of how astute, or well informed we claim to be. . . .



Mike, have a listen to this 20 minute excerpt from a conversation between Joseph Farrell and Daniel Liszt.

The atheist in me stopped stomping all over the theist in me soon after I heard this.



20 minutes.

The power of intention (and the subtle practice of diffusing or diverting it).mp3
https://app.box.com/s/04y52ehrjaawdvmibki865nxf71ptt8m

[Rizotto]

"I've lost faith in the American people being able to differentiate between right and wrong, says Scott Ritter about the dump of redacted Epstein files"
INTERVIEW: We have a literal cult of personality in power today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqLX1QBDsZk&t=1276s

[shaberon]

...leading up to the midterms.


In basic terms, if Democrats obtain a Congressional majority in the 2026 mid-terms, impeachment will unfold.

I just discovered that where I live has been gerrymandered as recently as the 2020s by the GOP in their favor. It was sued for racial discrimination, which was dismissed. The situation exists because new GOP judges overturned the previous ruling. This machine works behind my back, while I am sleeping, to ensure that I am un-represented and silenced.

If these lines had been drawn previously, McCain would have been elected rather than Obama. Seems like there was a purpose, rather than glib response to "population increase". The "bias index" used to estimate these districts rose from about even to +8. Nice going, imaginary lines.

[Rizotto]

This is the story of western downfall, sorry to say it started with the USA. As a Canadian, I'm fully aware that also Canada has been infiltrated by this parasite.
The question is, once the parasite has sucked its host dry, where does it go?
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Craig Mokhiber:

"For decades to come, scholars will study how a small, oppressive, foreign regime (Israel), built on a deeply racist and fundamentally violent ideology (Zionism), gained so much control over the foreign & domestic policy of the US, UK, Germany & several other Western countries, compelling them to ignore the interests of their own countries, the wishes of their own citizens, international law, and even basic morality, to raid their treasuries and attack their own people, all on behalf of that one oppressive foreign regime."

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[Ravenlocke]

DD Geopolitics

Dec 21
CBS KILLS ‘60 MINUTES’ INVESTIGATION INTO U.S. DEPORTATIONS TO EL SALVADOR’S CECOT PRISON

The decision came from CBS Editor-in-Chief Bari Weiss after the Trump administration refused to participate, giving the White House editorial control over investigative reporting, according to internal emails.

That matters because CECOT isn’t just a prison.

As we’ve been reporting, CECOT is being used as a training ground and laboratory for a new model of mass detention: algorithmic profiling, biometric sorting, collective punishment, militarized incarceration, and population-control techniques exported under the banner of “anti-gang” and “anti-terror” enforcement.

The pulled 60 Minutes segment had already passed standards, legal review, and multiple internal screenings. It included testimony from former detainees describing torture and abuse, corroborating findings from Human Rights Watch that CECOT violates international minimum standards for prisoner treatment.

By pulling the report because the government declined an interview, CBS signaled that they take orders directly from the administration.

Deleted trailer below:

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/2002950775291752951

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[Rizotto]

https://www.rt.com/russia/629946-russia-condemns-seizure-of-venezuela-oil/

December 23, 2025

Russia condemns seizure of Venezuelan tankers
Washington’s actions could have dire consequences, Moscow’s envoy to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, has said

Russia has condemned the seizure of oil tankers off the coast of Venezuela by the US military, warning it could have “catastrophic consequences.” Earlier this week, the US Coast Guard conducted the second such operation.

“We strongly condemn the seizure of oil tankers by the US military and the de facto imposition of a naval blockade of Venezuela,” Moscow’s envoy to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, said on Tuesday, as quoted by RIA Novosti.

“Washington’s responsibility for the catastrophic consequences of such cowboy behavior for the residents of the blockaded country is also obvious. Unfortunately, there is every reason to believe that the US actions against Venezuela are not a one-off. This unfolding intervention could become a template for future military actions against Latin American states,” Nebenzia noted.

US President Donald Trump has justified the blockade by claiming that the Latin American country “stole” US energy assets, while warning that Caracas will face the might of “the largest armada ever assembled in the history of South America” unless it returns them.

The US also deployed a large number of special-operations aircraft and multiple cargo planes carrying troops and equipment to the Caribbean earlier this week, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The first two oil tankers seized were operating on the black market and providing oil to countries under sanctions, Kevin Hassett, director of the White House’s National Economic Council, has claimed.

Since September, the US military has also been conducting strikes on small boats alleged to be carrying drugs, which UN experts have condemned as unlawful extrajudicial executions.

When asked repeatedly during a press conference on Monday if Washington’s intention was to force Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro from power, Trump gave non-committal remarks alluding to that possibility. “He can do whatever he wants,” the president responded. “If he wants to do something, if he plays tough, it will be the last time he ever plays tough.” He also claimed it would be “smart” for Maduro to step down.

[Rizotto]

https://www.rt.com/news/629947-trump-tells-colombian-president-to-watch-out/

December 24, 2025

Trump tells Colombian president to ‘watch his a**’
The US leader has accused Bogota of allowing cocaine trafficking and has stepped up pressure on Gustavo Petro

US President Donald Trump has lashed out at his Colombian counterpart, Gustavo Petro, warning he could face consequences over cocaine trafficking that he claims is reaching America.

Trump’s remarks followed comments by Petro reacting to US seizures of Venezuelan oil ships, in which he claimed that “all of the southern US” was built on stolen land. He said Texas and California were “invaded” and demanded that the United States “give back what you stole.”

“He’s very bad, very bad guy, and he’s got to watch his ass because he makes cocaine and they send it into the United States,” Trump said Monday at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida, responding to a reporter’s question about Petro’s remarks.

“We love the Colombian people ... but their new leader is a troublemaker, and he better watch it,” Trump added. He also claimed Colombia has at least three major cocaine factories and said “he better close them up fast.”

Colombia has long been a close US partner in Latin America, but ties have cooled since Petro, the country’s first left-wing president, took office in 2022.

US actions against Venezuela, including the seizure of oil tankers, have heightened tensions with Petro, who has criticized those moves and warned against US military intervention.

In September, the US State Department said it would revoke Petro’s visa, and the Trump administration later imposed sanctions under anti-drug trafficking authorities, steps Colombia has condemned as politically motivated.

A month later, Petro alleged that the Trump administration had bombed a Colombian boat carrying civilians during US operations targeting suspected drug smugglers near the Venezuelan coast.

Petro has pushed back against Trump’s rhetoric, disputing claims about drug production while pointing to Colombia’s efforts to curb illegal crops, although data show the country remains the main source of cocaine seized in the United States.

On Tuesday Colombia said it will deploy drones to destroy coca crops, a shift from manual eradication after aerial fumigation was banned in 2015 due to environmental concerns.

Washington has long criticized Bogota’s decision to halt aerial fumigation. In September, the US added Colombia to a list of nations it claimed were failing to cooperate in the drug war for the first time in nearly 30 years, accusing Petro’s government of not doing enough to curb cocaine production.

[BMJ]

Merry Christmas US Forces

JUST IN - Trump announces that 1,450,000 U.S. military members will receive a special "warrior dividend" of $1,776 before Christmas. (Don't forget the significants of 1776)

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[BMJ]

One Down Two To Go
The two I am referring to is Bondi & Patel. The trio has been put front and centre by President Trump.

Bongino baulked as a FBI resident after all his fire & brimstone podcasts. Now its up to the the other two to show their true colours.

Lets see how the duo react to and act on the "nothin to see here" un redacted epstein files.


Dan Bongino’s crumbled empire!

You strutted into the FBI Deputy Director seat, talkin’ tough like you’d burn Babylon’s lies to ash, braggin’ on your podcast how you’d flip the script on the elite’s dirty games. You got the job then what happened again?

But, you fumbled the bag big time sittin’ in that chair since March 2025 and doin’ nothin’ but shieldin’ the same predators you swore to expose.

You knew about the hotdog parties, them code-word orgies tied to Barack Obama and the Epstein crew, where kids were the real cost, yet you played lapdog, clashin’ with AG Pam Bondi over the Epstein files and backtrackin’ on your own truth.

Now you think you can slide back to your mic, spittin’ fire like nothin’ happened? The streets ain’t forgot, Dan your MAGA flock smells the cowardice, and they’ll roast you for coverin’ for the wicked instead of swingin’ the sword.

You ain’t no tough guy; you’re a sellout who choked when the spotlight hit. Step off that stage, ‘cause the Creator’s justice don’t play with frauds. There is no round 3 for you. You might as well go spend time with the family 24/7. Your time in the sun is over.

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Do You Want Me To Tell You A Secret?

This Is Why We Must Leave The Popular Figureheads Behind In 2026

Dan Bongino built his entire brand as the loudest anti-deep state warrior, screaming daily on his podcast about FBI corruption and Epstein cover-ups, positioning himself as the people's champion while cashing massive Cumulus Media checks and Epstein-tied advertiser dollars that kept his show afloat. Dig deeper into archived 4chan /pol/ threads from 2022-2024 and you find leaked payroll stubs tracing Bongino's production company receipts to shell entities linked to Black Cube, the Israeli intel firm hired by Harvey Weinstein to silence accusers same firm that ran surveillance on Epstein victims post-2019.

Bongino never once mentioned Black Cube's role in protecting pedo networks despite "exposing" everything else, because his handlers fed him scripted outrage that stopped short of naming the real players.

Dark web drops from hacked Cumulus servers show Bongino's contract riders demanding final edit approval on any Epstein segments, ensuring no mention of Israeli/Mossad ties that ran the island operation.

His sudden "retirement" from radio in 2023 coincided with leaked audio of him threatening staff over unapproved Ghislaine Maxwell questions, proving the hero act was gated to protect the hidden hand running compromise ops on conservative media.

Bongino ain't fighting the swamp he's the controlled pit bull barking loud enough to drown out real whistleblowers while herding MAGA anger into dead ends.

Link: https://x.com/Prolotario1/status/2003250240934281672?s=20


And A Theory

You know I am getting increasingly more confident that what is currently happening has to do with allowing the American people to lose trust in these institutions. Which will play directly into the plans of the 'Red Folder' where the US Military steps in with full support of US citizens who see them as the last bastion of justice. Which is why we are watching the humiliation of those who were praised as heroes be seen as useless.

Link: https://x.com/Prolotario1/status/2003241402172604582?s=20


Do You Want Me To Tell You A Secret? About Kash Patel.
Link: https://x.com/Prolotario1/status/2003251084660473918?s=20

[Jaak]

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[Jaak]

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[Ernie Nemeth]

No. Let's paint the proper picture.
DEI, gender ideology, radical liberal values, destroyed the credibility of the Kennedy Center. Lesbians, gays, and trans agendas took over the arts center. It no longer displayed the best in arts, only the most degenerate, deviant, and destructive performances.
Trump changed it back.
The radical Liberals, their talking heads on legacy media, and their globalist partners are not happy about it at all.

[Jaak]

No. Let's paint the proper picture.
DEI, gender ideology, radical liberal values, destroyed the credibility of the Kennedy Center. Lesbians, gays, and trans agendas took over the arts center. It no longer displayed the best in arts, only the most degenerate, deviant, and destructive performances.
Trump changed it back.
The radical Liberals, their talking heads on legacy media, and their globalist partners are not happy about it at all.

To me it seems it is full of globalists and zionists . Trump added more of his inner circle to that mix or the wives of his inner circle . Organisation was largely jewish before and still remains but now it also has Trumps name on it ...

Members Appointed by the President of the United States

Brian D. Ballard

Maria Bartiromo

Pamela Bondi

Mary Helen Bowers

Hannah F. Buchan

Robert Castellani

Elaine Chao

Pamella Roland DeVos

Patricia Duggan

John Falconetti

Emilia May Fanjul

Jennifer Fischer

Lynette Friess

Sergio Gor

Pamela Gross

Lee Greenwood

Kate Adamson Haselwood

Laura Ingraham

Dana Kraft

Mindy Levine

Lynda Lomangino

Barbara Long

Allison Lutnick

Douglas Manchester

Laura Perlmutter

Catherine B. Reynolds

Denise Saul

Dan Scavino

Cheri Summerall

President Donald J. Trump

Usha Vance

Susie Wiles

Andrea Wynn

Paolo Zampolli

[onevoice]

The following post on Substack by The Drey Dossier explains what is the true purpose of the Ballroom being built in the space previously occupied by the East Room of The White House. The ballroom is only the publicly visible part of the real structure being built there.
True purpose of the Ballroom at The White House (https://open.substack.com/pub/thedreydossier/p/trump-isnt-building-a-ballroom?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web)
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Look, Trump is not building a ballroom. This much, I feel like, is obvious. I made a video about this a few weeks ago, giving my thesis of what I think is actually being built, and that video got taken down on my TikTok after about 8 million views, so I re-uploaded it here.

And if you haven't seen that one yet, I recommend going over and watching that because it gives you a good basis for where we're starting out from. But I wanted to follow up on my theory, okay? Because in the original video, while I had some solid architectural analysis from Andrew Kerr, it was mostly based off of like a gut instinct, you know, in my own pattern recognition. And since then, I've been digging. I have been digging deep, scouring the web across databases and looking for records. And I have come back with actual receipts, like some actual verifiable public record receipts.

And now my theory is stronger than ever, okay? Because I know that Trump is not building a ballroom. he's building an underground data center and I have the receipts now to prove it. But really quick, if you want to read all of the sources and the documentation for yourself from this video, then they're all going to be linked at the bottom of my sub stack, the Drey Dossier, and that's going to be in the description below. Your support means the world to me, so please like this video and subscribe to my channel because TikTok is slowly going to the bad place and I'm trying to build my presence here on YouTube so that I can keep doing this kind of work with you guys. So sincerely, thank you all so much. And with that, let's get into it. So you're probably thinking, okay, well, where did you even come up with this idea, right?

And to that, I would say, well, where does one come up with any evil genius idea? Larry Ellison, of course. My nemesis. You see, a few months back, I was doing a deep dive on Larry Ellison and his relationship with Israel and the war in Gaza. And it was during that research I came across something about Oracle building these underground data centers in Jerusalem in 2021. See, they were nine stories deep under solid bedrock, about 160 feet underground, and designed to survive missile strikes. I mean, they were completely invisible from satellites. See, Israel needed data sovereignty, a place where their most sensitive military data could live that was physically unhackable and under complete government control. And when you're running these classified military operations, intelligence gathering, or government AI systems, you can't just have that data sitting in some commercial cloud that might be in another country or vulnerable to attack. And after learning all of that, I remember thinking to myself, all right, well, we're going to just go ahead and put a pin in this for now, right? Like this is all really fascinating, but I don't know what to do with any of this information, but I'm sure that it'll come in handy later.

And later in handy did it come because fast forward a few months and I'm reading about Trump's new ballroom announcement and that pattern recognition side of my brain starts tingling. Oh. Why, you ask? Well, let me just read the specs out loud to you, okay? Because Oracle's underground facilities in Jerusalem were 90,000 square feet and cost around $319 million. Trump's ballroom is about 90,000 square feet and $300 million and climbing. Hmm. Curious. And then on January 21st, 2025, you have Trump's first full day in office and Larry Ellison is standing next to him and Sam Altman and they're giving this White House announcement about Project Stargate.

Now, I'm not kidding when I say I could write an entire dissertation on January 21st because they gave us so much information in that announcement that I feel like, quite frankly, many of us just glazed over. And I've broken it down ad nauseum in other videos and over on my substack, but the short version is this.

Project Stargate is this $500 billion AI infrastructure initiative for government operations, defense intelligence, and consolidating federal data across agencies. Because all of these AI initiatives Trump and his team keep launching need infrastructure. They need servers, power, cooling, and security. And then you look over to who's donating to Trump's ballroom project, right? And the coincidences just keep stacking up on one another. And so I'm sitting here thinking to myself, okay, if this is actually what's happening, right? If this is actually what's being built, then there's got to be some evidence somewhere. Like you can't just build an underground data center without leaving any paper trail.

And so I start digging, right? Because the first thing I want to know is who is actually building this thing. So their lead contractor is Clark Construction. And I went to their website to see what kind of projects they normally work on. And under their critical facilities division, here's what they publicly list. So you've got National Geospatial Intelligence Agency campus, CISA cybersecurity headquarters, USENTCOM headquarters at MacDill Air Force Base. I'm reading all of this thinking, okay, so these guys build some serious government facilities. Like these are no joke. But then I'm thinking, okay, well, if they're this comfortable touting these publicly listed, you know, high security projects, then what aren't they listing?

So I keep digging a little further, right? I'm going through these different government contract registries, procurement records, that kind of thing. And then bingo, I found some redacted contracts for Clark Construction. Some top secret contracts, it looks like. And you'll never guess who they're for. Well, I mean, we can't guess because they're redacted. But I mean, the type of job they're for. Guess what kind of job they're for. If you guessed data centers, You'd be correct. And it's not even like one or two of these kinds of contracts I found, right? Not even three. I found six. Six redacted contracts for data centers that they built around the U.S.

And again, I'll link all of these contracts in my substack if you want to go check them out. But they're just listed as literally confidential client data centers one through six. And the client names are obviously classified because the facilities themselves, I'm sure, are classified. I mean, Clark's own description of their work says that they focus on security and survivability, reliability and redundancy, and complex critical facilities. So the company whose specialty is building classified data centers for clients that they can't even name is building the ballroom. Okay. Sure, Jan. Sure. And here's where it gets even more interesting, because Clark Construction holds a NAVFAC contract, Naval Facilities Engineering Systems Command, with a $950 million ceiling. And the way these contracts work is admittedly very clever. So the total value of these contracts is public, but the individual task orders, like the actual work that's being done, that can be considered classified, which means they can hide the true value, cost, and scope of projects by funneling them through these pre-existing military construction contracts. So not only do they specialize in classified data centers, but they have a mechanism to hide what they're actually building. And then on December 4th, something pretty wild happened. Trump fired his ballroom architect.

His name was James McCreary, and he was this classical architect who designs these beautiful churches and historic buildings, designing buildings like the cathedral of the most sacred heart of Jesus and the Supreme Court gift shop. I mean, say what you will about the guy, but he's got range. But alas, Trump replaced him with a different architect, a guy by the name of Shalom Baranes. When I say I went to look this man up and my jaw dropped to the floor, so a little background on him. After 9-11, when the Pentagon needed to be rebuilt and hardened against future attacks, they hired Shalom Baranes. Yeah, this man designed the post-9-11 hardening project for the Pentagon. The secure wedges, the skiffs, the bomb-resistant architecture, this was all Shalom. And skiffs, by the way, are sensitive compartments, information facilities. They have electromagnetically shielded rooms for classified intelligence work and are built to survive missile attacks.

And it's important you know what skiffs are because this comes back into play a little later on. And his portfolio doesn't stop there. It gets a lot more intense with DHS headquarters, treasury building modernization, the GSA headquarters secure facility, the CISA cybersecurity headquarters that, yes, Clark Construction also built. Yeah, so these guys have rendezvoused together before. And at this point, I wanted to see if I could take a peek at what was happening on the ground. So with my last remaining week of my free Planet Labs subscription, I looked through some satellite imagery, and what I saw astounded me. And I saw that these flatbed trucks had been photographed delivering these massive steel Cajuns to the site. Now, from what I understand about Cajuns is that they are these huge cylindrical retaining structures, basically. You use them for deep underground construction. They're designed very specifically to hold back soil and water pressure whenever you're going way deep underground. So you wouldn't use them for just standard foundation.

And then I saw this heavy lift crane that was like permanently anchored into a concrete pad. And that seemed to be for some long duration construction involving heavy structural materials and lifts from a deep excavation pit. And all of this brought me to my next question, which is if this is actually going to be a data center, then that means they're going to need a massive amount of power because data centers consume insane amounts of electricity. So I started looking into what's been happening with DC's power infrastructure. And here, is where it gets interesting. In August and September of 2025, just weeks after Trump's announced the ballroom in July, Pepco filed emergency requests for infrastructure work near the East Wing. And this called for an emergency relocation of water infrastructure, large-scale waterline modifications, and something called Champlain substation modernization, which I still haven't quite figured out what that means, but Pepco's own language in the emergency filing says that there's a lack of alternative supply capacity in downtown D.C.

And now here's the thing about that. Downtown D.C. office occupancy has been declining since COVID. I mean, half the buildings are empty. In general, the commercial real estate market is shrinking, not growing. So where's this new massive power demand coming from? And speaking of infrastructure, DC Water increased their capital spending by $300 million, including a specific study of the Federal Triangle area. I found a post by the Washington Aqueduct, which is run by the Army Corps of Engineers, and they were warning that data centers are planning to use Potomac River water for cooling. So at this point, I've got the contractor who builds classified data centers, the architect who designs Pentagon bunkers, physical evidence of deep underground construction, and massive power upgrades along with massive water upgrades. And so the next question I have is, who the hell is funding all of this? Trump says it's being privately funded and the White House put out a rough list of donors, although most of the amounts from those donors is unknown. So I mean, really, they could be donating anything from checks to cash to Bitcoin to their own product, maybe? And when I was looking for more information about these donors, I saw that the Carrier Corporation was bragging about how they're donating an HVAC system to the White House Ballroom. And so this is interesting because I looked into Carrier and I saw that they have a lot of different products. They have residential AC units, commercial systems, and all kinds of stuff listed on their websites. But they also have something called Carrier Quantum Leap, which is specifically their data center solutions.

Comprehensive energy efficient solutions for data center thermal management is what their website says. Now, if Carrier is donating an HVAC system and they're on a list with Microsoft, Amazon, Palantir, and all of these heavy hitters, then are they really donating a less than $100,000 ballroom AC system? Or are they perhaps donating the more expensive thing from their new line of solutions, the data center thermal management system? Because wouldn't that be a brag to say it's our thermal management systems that are cooling the White House data center? But that did get me thinking, like, if at least one company is donating a product on top of money, then I'm sure that there are others, right? I mean, who knows how many? So I decided to go through the donor list again, and this time with a different mindset. Not looking for dollar amounts, but looking at what each of these companies do.

And that's when I see one name jump out to me on this ballroom donors list. And that's Paolo Tiermani. And many of you may not be familiar with his name, but I'm sure you know his company, Boxable. Boxable is a Las Vegas company that makes these foldable prefab buildings and they're about 375 square feet and they come with electrical and plumbing already built in. Their whole pitch has been basically disaster relief and affordable modular homes. But if you start looking into what Boxable has actually been building for the government, well, it's not just disaster relief housing. That's right, I found contracts showing that they sent over 150 units to Guantanamo Bay in 2021 and 2022. That's right, they've been working on class 5 military installations and their SEC filings mention government exemptions from normal state regulations, which means they have clearance to work in classified DoD sites, evidently.

And that's when I saw that their units come pre-installed with Faraday caging. That's right, electromagnetic shielding, the kind of thing you would need for skiffs. Remember skiffs? I told you to remember skiffs. Because think back to Oracle's underground facilities in Jerusalem. I mean, their own documentation shows that they use modular construction techniques for their own rapid deployment of internal infrastructure, prefabricated rooms that could be assembled quickly underground. And I'm seeing names like Caterpillar on this list where I'm sure that they've donated equipment like heavy machinery, excavators. And Caterpillar also makes industrial generators that catch 3516B models that provide over 100 megawatts of backup power. Union Pacific is also an interesting donor in that light because, yes, they're a railroad company, but what many people don't know is they also own 1,400 miles of classified fiber optic cables that run along the railway right-of-way. And it's those fiber optic networks that the Department of Defense have as their secure telecommunications backbone.

And it's because they're air gapped from the public internet. And then you've got Microsoft and Amazon, Google, Palantir, like every major cloud computing and AI infrastructure company in America that matters. You've got Booz Allen Hamilton, who builds classified networks for the CIA and NSA. Blackstone installing over 200 megawatts of backup power infrastructure.

And then I started thinking about who's not on the list. You know, Baccarat Cristal Chandeliers, Versace, Hermes, Tiffany Silverware, like Steinway Pianos, the brands that would kill to have their name associated with the most elegant ballroom in America. I mean, the kind of luxury that screams White House State Dinner. I mean, none of them are here.

Which is when it all kind of clicked for me, because this is clearly not a list of donors for a ballroom. This is a supply chain for a data center. And if you're still not convinced about this data center infrastructure, well, Trump basically told us. October 22nd, 2025, in the Oval Office, the direct quote was, we're also working with the military on it because they want to make sure everything is perfect. And the military is very much involved in this. the military is very much involved in the ballroom? Jesus Christ. Oh, well, then that explains why Pete Hegseth has been purging all of our gay service members, because, you know, if there's one thing we know about straight men with a lot of testosterone, it's that they love giving their input on decorating ballrooms. It was just weeks after Trump said that very quote in the Oval Office that they fired the ballroom architect and hired the Pentagon guy. So what does any of this actually mean?

Well, I think we should go back to the underground data centers in Jerusalem, because understanding why Israel built those might tell us why Trump is building one here, allegedly, supposedly, in my opinion. So Israel built those facilities for something called Project Nimbus, which is their government cloud infrastructure. And we've seen what this looks like in practice, right?

I mean, the AI system that Israel is using in Gaza, the targeting systems, the surveillance infrastructure, the operational decision making, and that all runs on this underground data center network. I mean, we're talking full AI takeover, military operations, intelligence gathering, government AI information systems like banking, critical infrastructure controls, everything that keeps the country running. And they put it nine stories underground because they needed it to survive, not just survive a power outage or a cyber attack, but to survive a war. I mean, they needed it to survive missile strikes and keep running no matter what happens above the ground. Because when you have your entire government running on AI systems, that is now the brain of your country. And you have to protect the brain of your country with a thick, thick skull. That's what data sovereignty looks like. That's continuity of government. And that's what AI warfare infrastructure actually looks like. And then I'm looking at Project Stargate, announced on January 21st, 2025, Trump's first full day in office.

And Larry Ellison is going on and on about this $500 billion AI infrastructure that's going to save the government and cure cancer. But all of these grandiose ideas surrounding AI, all of that needs a home. And that's why I think it has to be at the White House specifically. Because when infrastructure is a part of the executive office of the president, then it has to be classified, protected, exempt from oversight. And the president has to have direct access to it. And lest we forget, the East Wing sits directly above the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, the PEOC bunker. It's five stories deep, staffed 24-7 by military offices.

And by demolishing the entire East Wing, they removed every structure blocking access to that bunker. And now they can expand it and go deeper or integrate new infrastructure if they'd like. And because it's at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, executive privilege covers all of it. I mean, think about it. The president controls what gets disclosed and what doesn't.

I mean, this is what the government running on AI with all of that power consolidated under executive control in a facility that can survive anything and Congress can't audit looks like. And look, I'm sure they'll build a ballroom on top. You know, they'll host state dinners and take photos with world leaders and gowns and tuxedos and maybe it'll even look fabulous. But don't kid yourself about what this was actually built for. Because the ballroom isn't the project. The ballroom is the lid.

[ThePythonicCow]

I mean, this is what the government running on AI with all of that power consolidated under executive control in a facility that can survive anything and Congress can't audit looks like. And look, I'm sure they'll build a ballroom on top. You know, they'll host state dinners and take photos with world leaders and gowns and tuxedos
and maybe it'll even look fabulous. But don't kid yourself about what this was actually built for. Because the ballroom isn't the project. The ballroom is the lid.
The Drey Dossier
Dang - that is one world class data center - literally.

[shaberon]

Trump’s remarks followed comments by Petro reacting to US seizures of Venezuelan oil ships, in which he claimed that “all of the southern US” was built on stolen land. He said Texas and California were “invaded” and demanded that the United States “give back what you stole.”


Thank you, yes, the U. S. is in the rather unusual position of having committed genocide against what it claimed were its own subjects.

No, the crime had not been "defined" yet, and, it was obviously not complete. Each of these places has its own story, but, in the southeast, it was well remembered what had gone on. Then as late as the 1970s, there was some kind of movement that inspired these states to update their Constitutions with "will not secede". By now it seems the memory has been erased.

Just like I need cocaine in my Coca-Cola. What is he trying to do -- impugn the integrity of a secret formula? The secret's not the thing in the name. Anyway, this is not an appropriate reaction to the presence of the stuff.

[BMJ]

Why 2026 Is America's Second Civil War | Susan Kokinda

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TFTC
Dec 9, 2025

Susan Kokinda breaks down the City of London's centuries-long grip on global finance and how it connects to modern drug trafficking, narco-terrorism, and the destabilization of Venezuela.

She explains why the war on drugs has never truly been fought—because it would target the financier class that profits from it.

The conversation covers Trump's economic nationalism, Scott Bessent's role at Treasury, the push to reshore American manufacturing, and why the 2026 midterms may be the most important election of our lifetime.

Susan also discusses the geopolitical realignment happening between the US, Russia, China, and India.

Summary:
0:00 - Intro
0:50 - City of London thesis
5:13 - Venezuela
9:41 - Extent of CoL influence
13:55 - Bitkey & Obscura
16:03 - European digital ID
19:36 - Media role and national strategy
26:16 - The coalition against CoL
32:21 - Unchained & SLNT
33:48 - Trump’s new cabinet
44:49 - Make or break situation
51:30 - Susan’s background

[rgray222]

Trump’s remarks followed comments by Petro reacting to US seizures of Venezuelan oil ships, in which he claimed that “all of the southern US” was built on stolen land. He said Texas and California were “invaded” and demanded that the United States “give back what you stole.”


Thank you, yes, the U. S. is in the rather unusual position of having committed genocide against what it claimed were its own subjects.

No, the crime had not been "defined" yet, and, it was obviously not complete. Each of these places has its own story, but, in the southeast, it was well remembered what had gone on. Then as late as the 1970s, there was some kind of movement that inspired these states to update their Constitutions with "will not secede". By now it seems the memory has been erased.

Just like I need cocaine in my Coca-Cola. What is he trying to do -- impugn the integrity of a secret formula? The secret's not the thing in the name. Anyway, this is not an appropriate reaction to the presence of the stuff.


Both of your comments can be considered a fair and somewhat truthful account of history, but it should be noted that people always seem to overlook or, at least, never mention that colonization and land theft happened worldwide. European colonization of Africa and Asia involved the forced seizure of land and the theft of resources, often with extremely violent and often deadly methods. I suppose it is somewhat natural to overlook the crimes of other, less important countries. I assume that people only focus on the USA because of its global prominence and worldwide influence. But, alas, this is a thread about Trump, so why not?

[onawah]

If that's what they are building in D.C. where it's hard to hide construction of any size, just imagine what they could be building in Colorado Springs, the chosen location for Continuation of Government.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%2Fid%2FOIP.1FTPsYmP_2L7-W84_02L2QAAAA%3Fpid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=52ece44a9d31ab6616f199bd73a39cd2167c2ee0c1dc109f54c78a30c4651731&ipo=images

The following post on Substack by The Drey Dossier explains what is the true purpose of the Ballroom being built in the space previously occupied by the East Room of The White House. The ballroom is only the publicly visible part of the real structure being built there.
True purpose of the Ballroom at The White House (https://open.substack.com/pub/thedreydossier/p/trump-isnt-building-a-ballroom?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web)
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8JVS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff292a9bd-bf00-45be-9ea5-464c25aa549d_878x1080.jpeg

[AutumnW]

No. Let's paint the proper picture.
DEI, gender ideology, radical liberal values, destroyed the credibility of the Kennedy Center. Lesbians, gays, and trans agendas took over the arts center. It no longer displayed the best in arts, only the most degenerate, deviant, and destructive performances.
Trump changed it back.
The radical Liberals, their talking heads on legacy media, and their globalist partners are not happy about it at all.

Ernie, here's the Kennedy Center digital program. Why don't you browse through, find what you think was radical and post it here, to back up your claim.
https://www.kennedy-center.org/whats-on/digital-programs/past-performances/

[Rizotto]

"Reporter Prem Thakker explains why the "messy" Epstein files release is “poisoning the well” even inside Trumpland."
Trump Is Releasing FAKE Epstein Files ON PURPOSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUPxCrkZNZk

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Interesting comments below the following video, here's one of them:
"I wonder what Trump would think if Putin gave a speech saying "We need Alaska for our national security" it has a small population and used to be Russian anyway."

COL. Lawrence Wilkerson : Trump’s License to Kill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4JiO2hVws8

[Jaak]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G9Dc_aLb0AMDWxi?format=jpg&name=small

[abmqa]

No. Let's paint the proper picture.
DEI, gender ideology, radical liberal values, destroyed the credibility of the Kennedy Center. Lesbians, gays, and trans agendas took over the arts center. It no longer displayed the best in arts, only the most degenerate, deviant, and destructive performances.
Trump changed it back.
The radical Liberals, their talking heads on legacy media, and their globalist partners are not happy about it at all.

Please do explain this opinion of yours, with specific examples. If you're going to rail on about the LGBTQ community, in particular when it comes to the performing arts, that's a huge part of the US entertainment industry, that constitutes, a large portion the daily entertainment, which perhaps you engage with happily. From music to film and tv. To be honest, your statement is something that I expect is common ideology on various right-wing outlets. If you're against the american entertainment industry, because of the LGBTQ community and you enjoy movies, TV, music, of any type, then your statement is a clear example of hypocrisy.

[BMJ]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G9Dc_aLb0AMDWxi?format=jpg&name=small


What Has President Trump Achieved In His Current Presidency???

You can include the protection of Nigerian Christians to this list below as a positive achievement.


IS TRUMP A ZIONIST? YES OR NO?
The information below settles it once and for all. This reveals how Trump and the White Hats are systematically destroying literally EVERY operation of the Zionist cabal.

✔️ Trump crushed their plandemic, which had to be 10 years, and he cut it short at 8 months.

✔️ Trump prevented their Great Reset that should have followed after the decade of plandemics

✔️ Trump ended their bioweapon labs, and prevented their new plandemics

✔️ Trump ended their media mind control and exposed the media as fake news

✔️ Trump exposed their election tampering and is busy ended it once and for all

✔️ Trump ended their climate change scam which was supposed to usher in the new world order

✔️ Trump ended their Epstein blackmailing system which corrupted countless high level people

✔️ Trump ended their Didi sexual blackmailing system which corrupted most of Hollywood and entertainment

✔️ Trump ended their global reign of evil through the Rothschilds and the British Empire and took over control

✔️ Trump took over authority over the British Commonwealth and is abolishing their systems of world domination

✔️ Trump ended the funding of their evil through USAID which funneled trillions of US tax money worldwide

✔️ Trump ended their censorship and restored the free flow of information

✔️ Trump raised up and empowered the greatest army of truth tellers and freedom fighters worldwide

✔️ Trump ended the world rule of Bill Gates

✔️ Trump ended the world rule of George Soros

✔️ Trump ended their plan for a nuclear world war that would wipe out America and pave the way for their world government

✔️ Trump ended their plan to destroy America and is rebuilding America, much to their dismay

✔️ Trump is exposing the crimes of Israel and is waking up the world to the dangers of Zionism (while cleverly playing the role of Zionist)

✔️ Trump is ending the transgender insanity and is restoring natural sexual identity

✔️ Trump ended mass funding of their LGBTQA+ through US tax money

✔️ Trump ended their brainwashing of Americas youth by abolishing the department of education

✔️ Trump is installing high level free education to rebuild America

✔️ Trump is ending the mass poisoning of the people through toxic chemical in food

✔️ Trump is ending their system of increasing crime in the cities and is restoring law enforcement

✔️ Trump is ending their drug dealing networks worldwide

✔️ Trump is ending their child trafficking networks worldwide

✔️ Trump is forcing the EU to stop the destruction of Europe

✔️ Trump abolished their agenda for a one world government

✔️ Trump took over the Vatican, the head of the snake, and positioned a pope that is not a satanist

✔️ Trump prevented their plan to use AI to enslave mankind and is promoting AI to empower humanity

✔️ Trump is ending their financial system of enslavement and is building a new financial system that will empower the people

✔️ Trump is ending the era of theft through taxation and will restore wealth to the people

✔️ Trump is establishing a system that creates investment for every new born American child to restore the American dream

✔️ Trump is ending the poisoning of the food and promotes healthy natural agriculture

✔️ Trump has called out weather modification and will eventually stop it

✔️ Trump is exposing the crimes of Big Pharma and has already revealed several toxic drugs

✔️ Trump is ending vaccine mandates and calls for mass investigations of vaccines

✔️ Trump is initiating to restore beauty in architecture to make America beautiful again

✔️ Trump is eliminating deeply entrenched corruption in the government (difficult and slow process but making progress)

✔️ Trump is ending the invasion by illegal immigrants who were brought in to destroy the nation

✔️ Trump ended the destruction of the US military and has rebuilt it to prevent plans of eliminating America

✔️ Trump is ending the assault on Christ and His kingdom and is restoring religious freedom, while promoting Jesus Christ and the Bible

✔️ Trump is bringing prayer back into public buildings and schools

✔️ Trump is organizing worship and prayer events at Mara Lago and the White House

✔️ Trump is ending the era of intellectual corruption through Harvard and others

✔️ Trump is attacking the BBC, one of the worlds largest mind control apparatuses

✔️ Trump is ending the perversion of Hollywood by authorizing Mel Gibson and Sylvester Stallone to be his eyes in Hollywood

✔️ Trump is severing the cord between America and the British Empire for real this time, finally truly liberating the American people

✔️ Trump is exposing the corruption of the judiciary and will help reform it

✔️ Trump is going to release unprecedented medical breakthroughs - like MedBeds- that will bring mass healing to humanity

✔️ And there is sooooo much more. This is literally just the visible tip of a much greater underwater iceberg. Imagine what will happen in the coming decades!

If you truly knew what Trump and the White Hats—under command of Christ—have been doing behind the scenes, you wouldn’t even be able to believe it.

Like what they have been doing in the massive thousand miles underground networks of multilevel tunnels and underground bases and cities that nobody was ever allowed to know anything about.

And what they have done in Antarctica and other hidden parts of Earth, that we don’t even know exist.

All the inhumane experiments with genetic editing and God knows what kind of satanic horrors.

We are truly witnessing the end of the era of Satan and the dawn of a new era of Christ.

You will be amazed by the future…

Please share this. We must restore hope and strength to the freedom movement.

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[shaberon]

...it should be noted that people always seem to overlook or, at least, never mention that colonization and land theft happened worldwide. European colonization of Africa and Asia involved the forced seizure of land and the theft of resources, often with extremely violent and often deadly methods. I suppose it is somewhat natural to overlook the crimes of other, less important countries. I assume that people only focus on the USA because of its global prominence and worldwide influence. But, alas, this is a thread about Trump, so why not?


Well, yes, of course, this primarily European behavior is well-known, and the U.S. is only such a colony after a "breakaway" event. Israel is the same.

The previous remark was a thinly-veiled sneer at the party.

It's been through a few "name changes" while having core members and transmitted policies through a few re-groupings.

In the 1700s, what would have been called, in Europe, the Money Power, in New York was Wall Street.

The disputations we have had, in forming the United States, the country, are mainly between Wall Street and the Agricultural Economy of Thomas Jefferson.

In the 1800s, the Wall Street party coalesced as Anti-Masonic, then for a while it was Whigs and finally Republican, such as Lincoln. Lincoln's forces inflicted massive collateral damage on civilians that it claimed were American citizens. The reasons are, for lack of any better understanding, Empire. This is why Garibaldi refused an offer to command the Union forces. The first result from these operations was a National Bank stuffed with Treasuries, i. e., a War Debt straddled on the shoulders of the population, which has remained in place ever since. Call it a yoke, ball-and-chain, whatever, it's a big plus for Wall Street.

The idea of Agricultural Economy was represented through the era of "Jacksonian Democracy", which was largely finished by the war, and doesn't really have any tangible connection to what are called "Democrats" today. I certainly don't like either party, although it is only Trump's that I can call opponents of my/our early American heritage. I definitely don't like the Truman Doctrine, and the "War on Drugs" is itself a mental disease.

[shaberon]

IS TRUMP A ZIONIST? YES OR NO?
The information below settles it once and for all. This reveals how Trump and the White Hats are systematically destroying literally EVERY operation of the Zionist cabal.



That was a lot of stuff and perhaps a lot of difficult points that require better understanding than a check mark. How come none of it is about Zion?

ISIS doesn't attack Zion.

I'll take the "British Empire" remark as of possible interest, because, of course, they are "-ists" rather than Zion itself.

That doesn't mean I am prone to replace it with an American one.

It does sound like a territorial dispute between two gangs, that part is hard to miss. It sounds like the resonance of the twentieth century, that is, the same two gangs.

[BMJ]

IS TRUMP A ZIONIST? YES OR NO?
The information below settles it once and for all. This reveals how Trump and the White Hats are systematically destroying literally EVERY operation of the Zionist cabal.



That was a lot of stuff and perhaps a lot of difficult points that require better understanding than a check mark. How come none of it is about Zion?

ISIS doesn't attack Zion.

I'll take the "British Empire" remark as of possible interest, because, of course, they are "-ists" rather than Zion itself.

That doesn't mean I am prone to replace it with an American one.

It does sound like a territorial dispute between two gangs, that part is hard to miss. It sounds like the resonance of the twentieth century, that is, the same two gangs.

These points are all about zionism and its defeat. Zionist influence on the USA via AIPAC, NGO's, institutions and the alike.

My post is about a post on X you can't expect an essay on X. This point form is a good starting point to do the research.

Your reference to two gangs is vague.

Gangs or not President Trump is making inroads in returning freedom and prosperity to the people of the US and the world.

A world free from the zionist/khazarians/satanist/freemasons or whatever name they have and their plans of culling humanity and micromanaging those that survive.

[Ernie Nemeth]

They had to let the entire board go and replace them with normal people again.

They were all radical Trump-haters and the general message of their performances were pro-radical talking points. They let the building fall into ruin, spent millions on lavish parties, and pushed hatred of anything Trump for many years.

I'm sorry if I touched a nerve about the gay community. I don't care either way if you're gay. Just keep politics out of the arts. Token lesbianism or homosexuality is not arts. Neither are trans spokesmen or replacing normal females with trannys. That's the deviant behaviour I referenced. Gay clowns are not normal and do not represent a functioning section of our society.

[abmqa]

IS TRUMP A ZIONIST? YES OR NO?
The information below settles it once and for all. This reveals how Trump and the White Hats are systematically destroying literally EVERY operation of the Zionist cabal.



That was a lot of stuff and perhaps a lot of difficult points that require better understanding than a check mark. How come none of it is about Zion?

ISIS doesn't attack Zion.

I'll take the "British Empire" remark as of possible interest, because, of course, they are "-ists" rather than Zion itself.

That doesn't mean I am prone to replace it with an American one.

It does sound like a territorial dispute between two gangs, that part is hard to miss. It sounds like the resonance of the twentieth century, that is, the same two gangs.

"Me thinks doth thou protest too much". Came immediately to me after seeing that post. Omg 😲

[abmqa]

They had to let the entire board go and replace them with normal people again.

They were all radical Trump-haters and the general message of their performances were pro-radical talking points. They let the building fall into ruin, spent millions on lavish parties, and pushed hatred of anything Trump for many years.

I'm sorry if I touched a nerve about the gay community. I don't care either way if you're gay. Just keep politics out of the arts. Token lesbianism or homosexuality is not arts. Neither are trans spokesmen or replacing normal females with trannys. That's the deviant behaviour I referenced. Gay clowns are not normal and do not represent a functioning section of our society.

Wow, just Wow. You have totally missed my point. No need to apologize for your opinions though, not to me anyway. Perhaps, one day when you have evolved in your thinking, you may consider apologies to the LGBTQ community. I'm not a member of that community. I'm just someone who vehemently disagrees with any type of intolerance, bigotry, racism etc. towards those who have been historically and maliciously, victimized because they are different. Although I don't post here often, a review of my past posts will confirm that.
I will end my conversation with you by challenging your statement, which is quite despicable.

"Gay clowns are not normal and do not represent a functioning section of our society"

Whether you realize it or not, you rely on the LGBTQ community on a daily basis. They're doctors, lawyers, police officers, politicians, more than you know, they hide, because of people like you. I could go on and on, however I value my time and rather not expend too much energy on people who espouse intolerance and bigotry.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Quit twisting my words.

Quit lecturing me.

But most of all stop judging me with your petty form of tolerance.

you have nothing on me

[shaberon]

These points are all about zionism and its defeat. Zionist influence on the USA via AIPAC, NGO's, institutions and the alike.

My post is about a post on X you can't expect an essay on X. This point form is a good starting point to do the research.


It's a few thousand years late.

Those are extraordinary claims. If an extraordinary claim is made, it is up to the claimant to make their point.



Your reference to two gangs is vague.


Sorry. It means Democrats and Republicans. I thought I explained that in brief. America has no functional third party outside of this.

All of the references in that list are vague.



Gangs or not President Trump is making inroads in returning freedom and prosperity to the people of the US and the world.

A world free from the zionist/khazarians/satanist/freemasons or whatever name they have and their plans of culling humanity and micromanaging those that survive.


So it's not about "Zionists", but, rather, "the unknown"?

The thing is, if you are trying to promote a cause, and, you post things that cause it to lose sense and turn into a self-mockery, you deflate it.

The last person I've tried to ask about this also returned simple "unknowns" with no attempt to back up a single point. This is anti-persuasive. That's the result so far.

[Rizotto]

What's happening in the USA is impacting the whole world, so that's why the rest of us are very concerned about the ongoing wreckage that the USA has become.
Some of the major points:

The same cabal is running both the Democrats (e.g. woke globalist policies of mass migration, radical LGBTQ agenda, and censorship, mass surveillance, genocide and endless wars), and the Republicans (e.g. 'christian zionist' censorship of any criticism of Israel, and mass surveillance, genocide, endless wars).

Notice that the two branches share similarities. But there are enough differences to give the impression to the people that there's something for them to fight over. As per the cabal's ultimate strategy of 'divide and conquer'. If the people are distracted enough, and wealth stolen from them to bring them down to survival mode, the elites are maintaining control and have won.

Yep, the Biden's administration policies of mass migration, climate hoax, LGBTQ & DEI, voting fraud, etc, were terribly harmful.

But let's also talk about Trump's deal with Palentir for total surveillance of the american people, censorship of any criticism of Israel, and irrational oppression of americans of arab origin who dare to protest against Israel's genocide of Palestinians. Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.

By the way, the political scenario is very similar in Canada, so be assured that as a Canadian I don't feel any sense of superiority. Open bribery is probably a little less bad than the hidden bribery that's taking place in Canada. Fact is, the cabal parasite has infected most of the western countries.

What's the solution? The only way out I see is a critical mass of people refusing to vote for those billionaires who come with false promises and hidden agendas. And refusing to pay taxes. Your thoughts?

[T Smith]

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.



Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

[Rizotto]

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.



Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

I'm quite certain that I saw a clip of Trump stating that he would like to revoke the USA citizenship of those who commit crimes. And criticizing Israel is now considered committing a crime. Not sure if those points are actually law, or if Trump is just pushing to turn them into actual law. I'll have to find that clip, it's probably posted somewhere in the last 20 pages of this thread... Maybe someone else here knows where to find it.

[Rizotto]

Trump defends Bill Clinton and bashes Thomas Massie for insisting on the release of all Epstein files. Can't make this stuff up.

In my personal opinion, Trump is trying to keep under cover the fact that Epstein was an intel agent for Israel. Trump's Israel first policy.

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[BMJ]

These points are all about zionism and its defeat. Zionist influence on the USA via AIPAC, NGO's, institutions and the alike.

My post is about a post on X you can't expect an essay on X. This point form is a good starting point to do the research.


It's a few thousand years late.

Those are extraordinary claims. If an extraordinary claim is made, it is up to the claimant to make their point.



Your reference to two gangs is vague.


Sorry. It means Democrats and Republicans. I thought I explained that in brief. America has no functional third party outside of this.

All of the references in that list are vague.



Gangs or not President Trump is making inroads in returning freedom and prosperity to the people of the US and the world.

A world free from the zionist/khazarians/satanist/freemasons or whatever name they have and their plans of culling humanity and micromanaging those that survive.


So it's not about "Zionists", but, rather, "the unknown"?

The thing is, if you are trying to promote a cause, and, you post things that cause it to lose sense and turn into a self-mockery, you deflate it.

The last person I've tried to ask about this also returned simple "unknowns" with no attempt to back up a single point. This is anti-persuasive. That's the result so far.

You simply like to argue and nit pick Shaberon that speaks for itself in you post.

If you, Rizotto and Abmqa are suffering from TDS and this thread triggers you you might find it more therapeutic to visit and post on the " Trump Is Not The Answer " thread.

There you may find comfort discussing matters with like minded people that suffer from TDS.

It is obvious that the three of you are trying to overwhelm the thread with negative posts to drown out and dissuade anyone making positives posts here.

So your commentaries are divisionary without adding any value what so every to the topic.

For example this reply in post 1718 by Ambqa " "Me thinks doth thou protest too much". Came immediately to me after seeing that post. Omg 😲 "

[Ravenlocke]

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.



Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

I'm quite certain that I saw a clip of Trump stating that he would like to revoke the USA citizenship of those who commit crimes. And criticizing Israel is now considered committing a crime. Not sure if those points are actually law, or if Trump is just pushing to turn them into actual law. I'll have to find that clip, it's probably posted somewhere in the last 20 pages of this thread... Maybe someone else here knows where to find it.

Charging…

Mar 27
Nick Fuentes on Trump deporting 300+ students for criticizing Israel 😳

“They are prioritizing the deportation of people who criticize Israel over the illegal Immigrants”

https://x.com/RedPillSayian/status/1905463645087072361

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Brian Allen

Jul 24
Trump now openly calling for the deportation of U.S. citizens.

“We have a lot of bad people … many of them were born in our country. I think we ought to get them the hell out of here too.”

He’s not talking about “illegals” anymore.

He’s talking about you. About anyone who disagrees. About journalists. Activists. Protesters. Citizens.

https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1948397192030368129

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HOT SPOT

Jul 1
The Trump administration is now considering prosecuting and denaturalizing U.S. citizens for “antisemitism”

Donald Trump is literally trying to make it illegal to criticize Israel. The west has gone full fascist in order to protect Israel

https://x.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1940144525311139864

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AF Post

Jul 26, 2024
Trump says he will support Israel’s “war on terror” and deport pro-Palestine protestors.

This comes hours after meeting with Israeli PM Bibi Netanyahu.

Follow:
@AFpost

https://x.com/AFpost/status/1817003611022590124

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James Li

Jun 30
Per a new DOJ memo — you can now be "denaturalized" and deported for:
🔴criticizing Israel
🔴being critical of war with Iran
🔴or sharing information the Trump administration deems to be against U.S. national security interests

https://x.com/5149jamesli/status/1939776456923783218

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RT

Jan 30
Trump goes nuclear on anyone sympathetic to Palestine

- Will nix visas and deport pro-Palestine students

- Orders all tools to prosecute unlawful anti-Semitic 'harassment'

- Schools must surveil foreign students

- Protest may now be 'considered terrorism'

Agree?

https://x.com/RT_com/status/1884877556739928155

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Anonymous

The Trump regime has declared that if you criticize Israel or point out they should not mass murder women and children, your visa will be denied.

You can however criticize the US and any of its allies, just not Israel.

https://x.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1928404596701241732

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David Icke

Jan 29
What First Amendment? The 'free speech' hero, right? Israel-owned Trump 'ordering review to identify, punish and deport antisemites — including students on visas.' Who decides what is 'antisemitic'? He does, no, er, ISRAEL does. And the fake free speech advocates cheer their god-king without a smear of embarrassment.
https://nypost.com/2025/01/29/us-news/trump-ordering-review-to-punish-and-deport-antisemites-including-students-on-visas/

https://x.com/davidicke/status/1884643037579448760

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[BMJ]

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.



Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

I'm quite certain that I saw a clip of Trump stating that he would like to revoke the USA citizenship of those who commit crimes. And criticizing Israel is now considered committing a crime. Not sure if those points are actually law, or if Trump is just pushing to turn them into actual law. I'll have to find that clip, it's probably posted somewhere in the last 20 pages of this thread... Maybe someone else here knows where to find it.

Charging…

Mar 27
Nick Fuentes on Trump deporting 300+ students for criticizing Israel 😳

“They are prioritizing the deportation of people who criticize Israel over the illegal Immigrants”

https://x.com/RedPillSayian/status/1905463645087072361

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Brian Allen

Jul 24
Trump now openly calling for the deportation of U.S. citizens.

“We have a lot of bad people … many of them were born in our country. I think we ought to get them the hell out of here too.”

He’s not talking about “illegals” anymore.

He’s talking about you. About anyone who disagrees. About journalists. Activists. Protesters. Citizens.

https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1948397192030368129

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HOT SPOT

Jul 1
The Trump administration is now considering prosecuting and denaturalizing U.S. citizens for “antisemitism”

Donald Trump is literally trying to make it illegal to criticize Israel. The west has gone full fascist in order to protect Israel

https://x.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1940144525311139864

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AF Post

Jul 26, 2024
Trump says he will support Israel’s “war on terror” and deport pro-Palestine protestors.

This comes hours after meeting with Israeli PM Bibi Netanyahu.

Follow:
@AFpost

https://x.com/AFpost/status/1817003611022590124

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James Li

Jun 30
Per a new DOJ memo — you can now be "denaturalized" and deported for:
🔴criticizing Israel
🔴being critical of war with Iran
🔴or sharing information the Trump administration deems to be against U.S. national security interests

https://x.com/5149jamesli/status/1939776456923783218

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RT

Jan 30
Trump goes nuclear on anyone sympathetic to Palestine

- Will nix visas and deport pro-Palestine students

- Orders all tools to prosecute unlawful anti-Semitic 'harassment'

- Schools must surveil foreign students

- Protest may now be 'considered terrorism'

Agree?

https://x.com/RT_com/status/1884877556739928155

1884877556739928155




Anonymous

The Trump regime has declared that if you criticize Israel or point out they should not mass murder women and children, your visa will be denied.

You can however criticize the US and any of its allies, just not Israel.

https://x.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1928404596701241732

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David Icke

Jan 29
What First Amendment? The 'free speech' hero, right? Israel-owned Trump 'ordering review to identify, punish and deport antisemites — including students on visas.' Who decides what is 'antisemitic'? He does, no, er, ISRAEL does. And the fake free speech advocates cheer their god-king without a smear of embarrassment.
https://nypost.com/2025/01/29/us-news/trump-ordering-review-to-punish-and-deport-antisemites-including-students-on-visas/

https://x.com/davidicke/status/1884643037579448760

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✔️ Trump is exposing the crimes of Israel and is waking up the world to the dangers of Zionism (while cleverly playing the role of Zionist) (From post 1713)

[shaberon]

You simply like to argue and nit pick Shaberon that speaks for itself in you post.

If you, Rizotto and Abmqa are suffering from TDS and this thread triggers you you might find it more therapeutic to visit and post on the " Trump Is Not The Answer " thread.

There you may find comfort discussing matters with like minded people that suffer from TDS.

It is obvious that the three of you are trying to overwhelm the thread with negative posts to drown out and dissuade anyone making positives posts here.

So your commentaries are divisionary without adding any value what so every to the topic.

For example this reply in post 1718 by Ambqa " "Me thinks doth thou protest too much". Came immediately to me after seeing that post. Omg 😲 "


As I suggested in post #6 of this thread, a better starting point on these matters is probably whitehouse.gov (https://www.whitehouse.gov/). That would be an easy way to talk about straightforward things that have actually happened.

That is correct, I am going to argue against almost everything that happens in American politics.

I thought you had posted some quite reasonable things about what happened in Australia recently. I was asking questions. I generally wouldn't think it was any of my business to get in the middle of whether to promote some politician or not.

If anyone does not want to support or explain the things that they post, we can work around you. Simple enough.

[T Smith]

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.



Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

I'm quite certain that I saw a clip of Trump stating that he would like to revoke the USA citizenship of those who commit crimes. And criticizing Israel is now considered committing a crime. Not sure if those points are actually law, or if Trump is just pushing to turn them into actual law. I'll have to find that clip, it's probably posted somewhere in the last 20 pages of this thread... Maybe someone else here knows where to find it.

Yes, I would like to see that clip, or that reference. If there is one. As far as I know, the media and anti-Trump public relation propagandists are pushing that narrative out of Trump's executive order authorizing the State Department to deport foreign national protestors attending universities (or foreign nationals in the country under similar circumstances) who commit crimes. I'm unclear about what degree of "protest" would constitute a crime under this EO, e.g. lighting a building on fire or throwing a brick through a window? Or just holding up an anti-zionist picket sign? And I'm not necessarily saying I agree with that executive order, as giving the State Department the authority to "interpret" what constitutes so-called "anti-semitism" or "racism" or whatever "wokism" comes next--and charging it as a "crime" is most definitely a slippery slope. What I do know is there was rhetoric (provocative rhetoric--but nothing that would stand up in court) questioning the current legal status of citizenry in United States, by law, granted by error, fraud, birth or marriage.

Example: A pregnant illegal migrant crosses the border eight month's pregnant to give birth to her child in the United States. By law, that child is a U.S. citizen, regardless of the legal status of his/her parents. I believe the clip you may have seen was Trump criticizing this law, and specifically, questioning whether this is a legal "loophole"--or as another example, questioning if a non-citizen marrying her citizen brother, say--should grant the rights of citizenship. And specifically suggesting denaturalization is on the table to those who have exploited these loopholes and who are now in the country committing crimes. Of course equating the criticism of Israel to a crime is another matter. However, these legal "loopholes", as some view them, do exist, and I've heard Trump rail against them in the same context as the examples you cite. Of course, Presidents don't make laws in the United States. Congress does. So Trump can spout any opinion about the current citizenry laws of the land he wants. Such controversial rhetoric is red meat to anti-Trump public relation lobbyists who transmogrify Trump's clumsily articulated words accordingly--and yes rhetoric can be dangerous and Trump does has influence over his party--but I don't even think a handful of Republican party lawmakers would dare support such hypothetical--and controversial--revisions of the current citizenry laws.

All said, I am in agreement with you that charging those who peacefully criticize Israel--or any government or nation--or even any ethnic or racial group for that matter--with a crime is something every mindful person should revolt against. I just don't see the validity of that charge against this current Trump administration, despite all of Trump's clumsy rhetoric.

[ThePythonicCow]

A pregnant illegal migrant crosses the border eight month's pregnant to give birth to her child in the United States. By law, that child is a U.S. citizen, regardless of the legal status of his/her parents.
That child is not a U.S. citizen "by law", if that mother was not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, as stated in The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause)

A good case can be made, analyzing the discussions and origins of the Fourteenth Amendment, that illegal immigrants (and legal ambassadors of other nations to the U.S, invading armies, ...) are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, as intended by those who wrote and passed the Fourteenth Amendment.

[Rizotto]

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.



Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

I'm quite certain that I saw a clip of Trump stating that he would like to revoke the USA citizenship of those who commit crimes. And criticizing Israel is now considered committing a crime. Not sure if those points are actually law, or if Trump is just pushing to turn them into actual law. I'll have to find that clip, it's probably posted somewhere in the last 20 pages of this thread... Maybe someone else here knows where to find it.

Yes, I would like to see that clip, or that reference. If there is one. As far as I know, the media and anti-Trump public relation propagandists are pushing that narrative out of Trump's executive order authorizing the State Department to deport foreign national protestors attending universities (or foreign nationals in the country under similar circumstances) who commit crimes. I'm unclear about what degree of "protest" would constitute a crime under this EO, e.g. lighting a building on fire or throwing a brick through a window? Or just holding up an anti-zionist picket sign? And I'm not necessarily saying I agree with that executive order, as giving the State Department the authority to "interpret" what constitutes so-called "anti-semitism" or "racism" or whatever "wokism" comes next--and charging it as a "crime" is most definitely a slippery slope. What I do know is there was rhetoric (provocative rhetoric--but nothing that would stand up in court) questioning the current legal status of citizenry in United States, by law, granted by error, fraud, birth or marriage.

Example: A pregnant illegal migrant crosses the border eight month's pregnant to give birth to her child in the United States. By law, that child is a U.S. citizen, regardless of the legal status of his/her parents. I believe the clip you may have seen was Trump criticizing this law, and specifically, questioning whether this is a legal "loophole"--or as another example, questioning if a non-citizen marrying her citizen brother, say--should grant the rights of citizenship. And specifically suggesting denaturalization is on the table to those who have exploited these loopholes and who are now in the country committing crimes. Of course equating the criticism of Israel to a crime is another matter. However, these legal "loopholes", as some view them, do exist, and I've heard Trump rail against them in the same context as the examples you cite. Of course, Presidents don't make laws in the United States. Congress does. So Trump can spout any opinion about the current citizenry laws of the land he wants. Such controversial rhetoric is red meat to anti-Trump public relation lobbyists who transmogrify Trump's clumsily articulated words accordingly--and yes rhetoric can be dangerous and Trump does has influence over his party--but I don't even think a handful of Republican party lawmakers would dare support such hypothetical--and controversial--revisions of the current citizenry laws.

All said, I am in agreement with you that charging those who peacefully criticize Israel--or any government or nation--or even any ethnic or racial group for that matter--with a crime is something every mindful person should revolt against. I just don't see the validity of that charge against this current Trump administration, despite all of Trump's clumsy rhetoric.

I just realized that there might be a definition glitch in this conversation. When I say "US citizenship" is anyone who legally has US citizenship, whether born in the USA, or an immigrant who later was granted citizenship. But you seem to have a different view. Do I understand correctly that you believe that those who were born in a foreign country, immigrated to USA, and were granted US citenzenship aren't really US citizens?

The example of birthing immigrants is another matter entirely. It happens in Canada too, especially with wealthy pregnant Chinese who travel to Canada in their last month of pregnancy to give birth to their baby in Canada, specifically so that the child can get Canadian citizenship, in addition to Chinese citizenship. They somehow use that to get access for the whole family eventually.

But in my view, a citizen is a citizen, whether born in a foreign country or born in the US. Trump is going much too far in threatening to revoke the US citizenship of anyone because they did something he doesn't like. We all know of multiple examples of Trump's excesses. Here's just one:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/2/can-trump-strip-musk-and-mamdani-of-their-us-citizenship

Can Trump strip Musk and Mamdani of their US citizenship?
Trump threatened to arrest Zohran Mamdani if the latter did not cooperate with ICE deportation operations in New York.
(full article at link above)

[Rizotto]

To BMJ: I'm sorry that you are unhappy when folks post comments and facts that negatively reflects on Trump on this thread.

This thread is entitled "Day 1 of Trump's Presidency... and all the days that follow". I take that to mean that this thread is about anything that pertains to the Trump administration, e.g. policy, laws, media reports, etc.

But if you believe that this thread should only be used to eulogise Trump, then perhaps you could request the title to be changed to reflect that.
Or maybe start another thread for that purpose? Serious suggestion.

Best wishes to you.

[Rizotto]

Thank you Ravenlocke for your post #1727 above. At this link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124169-Day-1-of-Trump-s-Presidency...-and-all-the-days-that-follow&p=1696736&viewfull=1#post1696736

Those are the clips I had in mind when saying earlier that Trump had threatened to revoke the citizenship of certain US citizens for criticising Israel.

[T Smith]

Do I understand correctly that you believe that those who were born in a foreign country, immigrated to USA, and were granted US citenzenship aren't really US citizens?

No, that is not my view. Those who were born in a foreign country, who immigrated to the United States and who were granted citizenship, legally, are citizens. Those in the country who have not legally gone through the immigration process are not citizens. That is more or less the extent of my views on citizenship.

The reality in the United States, and elsewhere, however, is millions upon millions have flooded into the country extra-legally, outside and around the immigration process, who are not citizens. And there may be some instances where the process of obtaining citizenship itself was illegitimate, or executed purely politically or outside the law, e.g. migrants who were granted citizenship arbitrarily via the Biden auto-pen, etc. I don't have an opinion one way or the other on those cases because I don't know the facts and/or the circumstances of those claims. But a court of law might, one way or the other. And the executive branch may have cause to bring those cases before a judge. Or not. And I do recognize Trump is going after some of those "citizens"--at least rhetorically--namely if they throw a brick through a window or light a building on fire. The bottom line, as I understand it, these threats are mostly rhetorical. Or bark, to employ junk-yard lexicon. The president cannot deport a "citizen" simply because he deems they are not a citizen, or because he doesn't like them, but he can challenge the legality of a citizen's status. That's not the same thing, and it's not up to the executive to determine the legality of a citizen's status. That would fall to the judiciary. The question is, then, how absurd are those challenges? The degree of absurdity of executive's challenges, e.g. stripping Musk or Mamdani of citizenship (10 on the absurdity scale from 1 to 10) says more about Trump's excesses of absurd rhetoric than it does about his administration's excesses in reality. And that's really the only point I was making.

But I assume your view may be the executive branch has no legal authority to deport illegal migrants or no claim to challenge the citizenship of those who may have obtained citizenship (allegedly) by error or fraud if they are peacefully exercising their rights and breaking no laws? Or even if they are breaking laws?

I really have no strong views on the former caste (or even illegals who are participating productively in society , provided they are adhering to American values under the banner of its ideological constitution).

So given that view, why does it matter?

It matters, from a more abstract perspective, in my view, because millions and millions of migrants have flooded into the United States, not necessarily to participate productively in society or to adhere to American values under the banner of America's ideological constitution (which is the very objective of the legal immigration process), but by a sinister social-engineering eugenics agenda executed through proxy explicitly by ideological enemies of America (and humanity) to spark division, cultural chaos, civil war, deterioration of national unity, and ultimately to launch the onset of a color revolution employing the population itself as the lethal weapon to deliver a fatal blow, not only America's system of government by and for the people, but to usurp all its peoples (citizens and illegals alike) of individual liberty and inalienable human rights for a neo-feudalist social order based on slavery, poverty, and a new dark age of suffering and oppression.

It's really as simple as that. We can debate that perspective--and I'm open to that--but that's precisely what is happening, among other things, in real time, and what is behind the illegal migration agenda.

And that's why it matters.

[jaybee]

{post snipped see #1735}

It matters, from a more abstract perspective, in my view, because millions and millions of migrants have flooded into the United States, not necessarily to participate productively in society or to adhere to American values under the banner of America's ideological constitution (which is the very objective of the legal immigration process), but by a sinister social-engineering eugenics agenda executed through proxy explicitly by ideological enemies of America (and humanity) to spark division, cultural chaos, civil war, deterioration of national unity, and ultimately to launch the onset of a color revolution employing the population itself as the lethal weapon to deliver a fatal blow, not only America's system of government by and for the people, but to usurp all its peoples (citizens and illegals alike) of individual liberty and inalienable human rights for a neo-feudalist social order based on slavery, poverty, and a new dark age of suffering and oppression.

It's really as simple as that. We can debate that perspective--and I'm open to that--but that's precisely what is happening, among other things, in real time, and what is behind the illegal migration agenda.

And that's why it matters.

(bolding mine)


A case in point has to be what's happening in Minnesota - when enough 'voters' legal or illegal or pretend (election fraud) exist - a voting block can be created and that in tandem with a deeply corrupt DOJ can do untold damage to a country - can destroy a country and we now know that the Globalist Elite, the mega rich Ruling Class has weaponized migration (legal or illegal) to defeat the citizens from within in Western Nations - - -

To say it's a mess and that the 'West' as we know it is teetering on the brink of defeat - is an understatement - and this, in my view is why we need to recognize that only someone as 'bullish' and determined and outspoken as Trump has a chance to make a dent in the sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in - the PSYOP against Trump is all pervasive and vicious ....

I don't know what he can do with the traitorous and corrupted DOJ who are busy blocking moves to stop the downfall of America - other nations- like the UK have similar 'problems'....

anyway - Minnesota is in trouble - deep trouble ....

What the HECK IS HAPPENING IN MINNESOTA??? (13:23)

8tGV178h5Uc



The `somali fraud` case in Minnesota has again brought the state into the spotlight, as a corrupt county Democrat judge reportedly allowed a couple to walk free despite a unanimous guilty verdict for stealing $7.2 million in `taxpayer money`. This `criminal investigation` highlights serious flaws within our `judicial branch`, raising questions about `government oversight`. The couple, found guilty of `criminal charges`, underscores a system in dire need of reform.

[abmqa]

You simply like to argue and nit pick Shaberon that speaks for itself in you post.

If you, Rizotto and Abmqa are suffering from TDS and this thread triggers you you might find it more therapeutic to visit and post on the " Trump Is Not The Answer " thread.

There you may find comfort discussing matters with like minded people that suffer from TDS.

It is obvious that the three of you are trying to overwhelm the thread with negative posts to drown out and dissuade anyone making positives posts here.

So your commentaries are divisionary without adding any value what so every to the topic.

For example this reply in post 1718 by Ambqa " "Me thinks doth thou protest too much". Came immediately to me after seeing that post. Omg 😲 "


As I suggested in post #6 of this thread, a better starting point on these matters is probably whitehouse.gov (https://www.whitehouse.gov/). That would be an easy way to talk about straightforward things that have actually happened.

That is correct, I am going to argue against almost everything that happens in American politics.

I thought you had posted some quite reasonable things about what happened in Australia recently. I was asking questions. I generally wouldn't think it was any of my business to get in the middle of whether to promote some politician or not.

If anyone does not want to support or explain the things that they post, we can work around you. Simple enough.

I'm trying to overwhelm the thread? I made a single post, about a post that in "my opinion" was remarkable. So I remarked. As a result I get labeled with the phrase suffering from TDS. Lol. It's amazing how sensitive these Maga minions are. I guess the nerves are frayed by the recent revelations from the release of the files from Trump's bestie Epstein. I apologize. I'm out. 😆

[Ernie Nemeth]

Ya, they brought out their shadowbanner, multi-poster for support. The same who has ruined so many threads by overwhelming number of consecutive posts. There is no discussion where that one treads. Another thread I will no longer participate in. So I guess you guys win. Good for you.

Usually, a discussion is won by the merit of the posts for or against. In this forum it is becoming more about the art of attrition. Who can outlast the multi-posters' salacious opinions. It seems always to be the same folks. Go ahead, 'win' every thread. Keep them for yourselves, collect them, wash them all of any sense.

And if you can't find the time to ruin every thread, don't despair, you can always brand your opponents with ad hominen attacks. In this forum the worst you can be called is an Islamophobe, followed by Zionist - easy to recognize the love affair here with the dominant rhetoric of the times. Hate everything Trump, no matter what. Support Islam, downplay the west's positive influence, and find Israelis under every bed.

Go ahead, add this thread to the collection.
Makes no mind to me.
You cannot sway me with such tactics - but you can sway others, so have at it.
I won't waste my time here anymore.

[SilentFeathers]

In this forum it is becoming more about the art of attrition. Who can outlast the multi-posters' salacious opinions. It seems always to be the same folks. Go ahead, 'win' every thread. Keep them for yourselves, collect them, wash them all of any sense.


The art of attrition almost never comes from well thought out and typed posts from ones own mind, but almost always from communicating through copy and pasted tweets and memes relating to a certain biased or deranged ideology.

Yes, it seems to always be coming from the same folks, who in my opinion derail and pollute threads with extreme biased opinions in the form of copied and pasted tweets, and sometimes the same ole simply typed out biased claims and judgmental insults or accusations.

It seems every thread I try to participate in becomes saturated with "orange man or Israel bad" posts and nearly impossible to stay on subject. It's becoming more and more difficult to follow an interesting conversation anymore without constantly scrolling pages to see where the conversation left off and then possibly continued. The topic and or conversation is usually derailed and stopped by these same folks it seems.

I am starting to question why I'm still even participating....perhaps my time with Project Avalon is nearing its expiration date.

[Mike]

Ya, they brought out their shadowbanner, multi-poster for support. The same who has ruined so many threads by overwhelming number of consecutive posts. There is no discussion where that one treads. Another thread I will no longer participate in. So I guess you guys win. Good for you.

Usually, a discussion is won by the merit of the posts for or against. In this forum it is becoming more about the art of attrition. Who can outlast the multi-posters' salacious opinions. It seems always to be the same folks. Go ahead, 'win' every thread. Keep them for yourselves, collect them, wash them all of any sense.

And if you can't find the time to ruin every thread, don't despair, you can always brand your opponents with ad hominen attacks. In this forum the worst you can be called is an Islamophobe, followed by Zionist - easy to recognize the love affair here with the dominant rhetoric of the times. Hate everything Trump, no matter what. Support Islam, downplay the west's positive influence, and find Israelis under every bed.

Go ahead, add this thread to the collection.
Makes no mind to me.
You cannot sway me with such tactics - but you can sway others, so have at it.
I won't waste my time here anymore.


Well said, Ernie.

I proudly declare my disgust with Islam. Any civilized person should. I don't know if that makes me an Islamophobe because I don't know what that means exactly. I've also been called a Zionist, more times that I can count, by people who are incapable of coherently defining the word "Zionist":) I'm still waiting for just one person to tell me what that word means exactly.

[Mike]

They had to let the entire board go and replace them with normal people again.

They were all radical Trump-haters and the general message of their performances were pro-radical talking points. They let the building fall into ruin, spent millions on lavish parties, and pushed hatred of anything Trump for many years.

I'm sorry if I touched a nerve about the gay community. I don't care either way if you're gay. Just keep politics out of the arts. Token lesbianism or homosexuality is not arts. Neither are trans spokesmen or replacing normal females with trannys. That's the deviant behaviour I referenced. Gay clowns are not normal and do not represent a functioning section of our society.

Wow, just Wow. You have totally missed my point. No need to apologize for your opinions though, not to me anyway. Perhaps, one day when you have evolved in your thinking, you may consider apologies to the LGBTQ community. I'm not a member of that community. I'm just someone who vehemently disagrees with any type of intolerance, bigotry, racism etc. towards those who have been historically and maliciously, victimized because they are different. Although I don't post here often, a review of my past posts will confirm that.
I will end my conversation with you by challenging your statement, which is quite despicable.

"Gay clowns are not normal and do not represent a functioning section of our society"

Whether you realize it or not, you rely on the LGBTQ community on a daily basis. They're doctors, lawyers, police officers, politicians, more than you know, they hide, because of people like you. I could go on and on, however I value my time and rather not expend too much energy on people who espouse intolerance and bigotry.


I think you need to cultivate some intolerance. Like intolerance for the mimetic mind virus that so called "trans" truly is. Intolerance for how this insidious movement has distorted the minds of several generations of our most innocent kids. Intolerance for the mutilation of teenage genitals, all under the rubric of "gender affirming care". Intolerance for all the cowards who outwardly condone this lunacy, from the doctors right on down to the parents.

LGB has very little to do with T. And Q("queer") is more of a political designation than anything else. Trans people haven't been historically marginalized, because this version of "trans" was just invented about 5 mins ago. It has no history. It's a movement designed to beat normal people into submission.

The issue people have with trans as a movement is not that it's different, but that it's authoritarian in nature, demanding that everyone leave science and common sense and basic decency at the door and embrace something so preposterous and evil that one could have hardly imagined it just a few years ago.

The trans movement hates everything that doesn't conform to its moral orthodoxy. In that way it's far more bigoted than they imagine the groups that oppose them are.

This madness would have flourished far beyond anything we see now were it not for the great Donald J. Trump.. the only western world leader with enough balls to confront it head on. When we look back many years from now, we'll all recognize that this period we're living in now was the crucial cultural turning point, all because Trump put his foot down and said "no more". Currently the US is the only western country putting up any kind of serious fight, all thanks to the Trumpster.

If you are a civilized person, interested in basic decency and goodness, you should be eternally grateful for his efforts.

[abmqa]

They had to let the entire board go and replace them with normal people again.

They were all radical Trump-haters and the general message of their performances were pro-radical talking points. They let the building fall into ruin, spent millions on lavish parties, and pushed hatred of anything Trump for many years.

I'm sorry if I touched a nerve about the gay community. I don't care either way if you're gay. Just keep politics out of the arts. Token lesbianism or homosexuality is not arts. Neither are trans spokesmen or replacing normal females with trannys. That's the deviant behaviour I referenced. Gay clowns are not normal and do not represent a functioning section of our society.

Wow, just Wow. You have totally missed my point. No need to apologize for your opinions though, not to me anyway. Perhaps, one day when you have evolved in your thinking, you may consider apologies to the LGBTQ community. I'm not a member of that community. I'm just someone who vehemently disagrees with any type of intolerance, bigotry, racism etc. towards those who have been historically and maliciously, victimized because they are different. Although I don't post here often, a review of my past posts will confirm that.
I will end my conversation with you by challenging your statement, which is quite despicable.

"Gay clowns are not normal and do not represent a functioning section of our society"

Whether you realize it or not, you rely on the LGBTQ community on a daily basis. They're doctors, lawyers, police officers, politicians, more than you know, they hide, because of people like you. I could go on and on, however I value my time and rather not expend too much energy on people who espouse intolerance and bigotry.


I think you need to cultivate some intolerance. Like intolerance for the mimetic mind virus that so called "trans" truly is. Intolerance for how this insidious movement has distorted the minds of several generations of our most innocent kids. Intolerance for the mutilation of teenage genitals, all under the rubric of "gender affirming care". Intolerance for all the cowards who outwardly condone this lunacy, from the doctors right on down to the parents.

LGB has very little to do with T. And Q("queer") is more of a political designation than anything else. Trans people haven't been historically marginalized, because this version of "trans" was just invented about 5 mins ago. It has no history. It's a movement designed to beat normal people into submission.

The issue people have with trans as a movement is not that it's different, but that it's authoritarian in nature, demanding that everyone leave science and common sense and basic decency at the door and embrace something so preposterous and evil that one could have hardly imagined it just a few years ago.

The trans movement hates everything that doesn't conform to its moral orthodoxy. In that way it's far more bigoted than they imagine the groups that oppose them are.

This madness would have flourished far beyond anything we see now were it not for the great Donald J. Trump.. the only western world leader with enough balls to confront it head on. When we look back many years from now, we'll all recognize that this period we're living in now was the crucial cultural turning point, all because Trump put his foot down and said "no more". Currently the US is the only western country putting up any kind of serious fight, all thanks to the Trumpster.

If you are a civilized person, interested in basic decency and goodness, you should be eternally grateful for his efforts.

Imo, There's so much wrong with what you have stated here that it truly is astounding. Whilst you basically assert that I should practice some degree of "intolerance", it's what You deem that I should show intolerance towards. "The Trans movement" It's interesting how you segmented that portion of my statement as your focus. When I clearly stated the entire LGBTQ community. I vehemently stand by my original statement.

Your statement about basic decency, goodness and being civilized while referencing your glorious leader Trump, totally negates every statement that you have made.

Supporting a 34x convicted felon and adjudicated rapist, who is all over his bestie, Epstein files isn't exactly civilized.

You have zero credibility, zero integrity, and zero moral authority.

Because of that fact, I refuse any further discourse with you. I deem you as Too Far Gone TFG, in anticipation of the TDS label, which I proudly wear and have been labeled many times. 😃 😊

Is that "Intolerant" enough for you 🤔

You're Welcome 😊

[BMJ]

Above another useless post by Abmqa.

[Mike]

They had to let the entire board go and replace them with normal people again.

They were all radical Trump-haters and the general message of their performances were pro-radical talking points. They let the building fall into ruin, spent millions on lavish parties, and pushed hatred of anything Trump for many years.

I'm sorry if I touched a nerve about the gay community. I don't care either way if you're gay. Just keep politics out of the arts. Token lesbianism or homosexuality is not arts. Neither are trans spokesmen or replacing normal females with trannys. That's the deviant behaviour I referenced. Gay clowns are not normal and do not represent a functioning section of our society.

Wow, just Wow. You have totally missed my point. No need to apologize for your opinions though, not to me anyway. Perhaps, one day when you have evolved in your thinking, you may consider apologies to the LGBTQ community. I'm not a member of that community. I'm just someone who vehemently disagrees with any type of intolerance, bigotry, racism etc. towards those who have been historically and maliciously, victimized because they are different. Although I don't post here often, a review of my past posts will confirm that.
I will end my conversation with you by challenging your statement, which is quite despicable.

"Gay clowns are not normal and do not represent a functioning section of our society"

Whether you realize it or not, you rely on the LGBTQ community on a daily basis. They're doctors, lawyers, police officers, politicians, more than you know, they hide, because of people like you. I could go on and on, however I value my time and rather not expend too much energy on people who espouse intolerance and bigotry.


I think you need to cultivate some intolerance. Like intolerance for the mimetic mind virus that so called "trans" truly is. Intolerance for how this insidious movement has distorted the minds of several generations of our most innocent kids. Intolerance for the mutilation of teenage genitals, all under the rubric of "gender affirming care". Intolerance for all the cowards who outwardly condone this lunacy, from the doctors right on down to the parents.

LGB has very little to do with T. And Q("queer") is more of a political designation than anything else. Trans people haven't been historically marginalized, because this version of "trans" was just invented about 5 mins ago. It has no history. It's a movement designed to beat normal people into submission.

The issue people have with trans as a movement is not that it's different, but that it's authoritarian in nature, demanding that everyone leave science and common sense and basic decency at the door and embrace something so preposterous and evil that one could have hardly imagined it just a few years ago.

The trans movement hates everything that doesn't conform to its moral orthodoxy. In that way it's far more bigoted than they imagine the groups that oppose them are.

This madness would have flourished far beyond anything we see now were it not for the great Donald J. Trump.. the only western world leader with enough balls to confront it head on. When we look back many years from now, we'll all recognize that this period we're living in now was the crucial cultural turning point, all because Trump put his foot down and said "no more". Currently the US is the only western country putting up any kind of serious fight, all thanks to the Trumpster.

If you are a civilized person, interested in basic decency and goodness, you should be eternally grateful for his efforts.

Imo, There's so much wrong with what you have stated here that it truly is astounding. Whilst you basically assert that I should practice some degree of "intolerance", it's what You deem that I should show intolerance towards. "The Trans movement" It's interesting how you segmented that portion of my statement as your focus. When I clearly stated the entire LGBTQ community. I vehemently stand by my original statement.

Your statement about basic decency, goodness and being civilized while referencing your glorious leader Trump, totally negates every statement that you have made.

Supporting a 34x convicted felon and adjudicated rapist, who is all over his bestie, Epstein files isn't exactly civilized.

You have zero credibility, zero integrity, and zero moral authority.

Because of that fact, I refuse any further discourse with you. I deem you as Too Far Gone TFG, in anticipation of the TDS label, which I proudly wear and have been labeled many times. 😃 😊

Is that "Intolerant" enough for you 🤔

You're Welcome 😊


You said you were thru with this thread once already, didn't you? You'll be back darling.

The LGB just want to live their lives in peace. And they typically do, because we live in a very tolerant country. They are very rarely the victims of anything except the ignorance involved in lumping them in with the "T" and "Q". Which is precisely what you're doing with your little white-knight act here.

My statement applies to the whole alphabet mafia. Our culture bends over backwards to accommodate them, all to the detriment of everyone else. The bullied have become the bullies. But you still haven't noticed, apparently.

Trump isn't an "adjudicated rapist" (very cute, nice try); the 34 felonies are politically motivated nonsense, everyone knows it; and nothing has been proven at all re Epstein. But you keep churning out those talking points!

[bobme]

Ah, Trumps little tiny, ankle biter attack dog, speaks again. Mike the lover of a deranged man.

Worship him as you please, but it is you who always attack others who clearly see he he is a punk, and a self serving liar. I see now you are very blind to the fact that Trump is, in reality, is quite insane.

Just for instance, calling out the cops to deport true born Americans who disagree with him or Nutinyahoo.

I have stated many times that Reps and dems are the same cloth. If you can not see that, you are forever lost in the world of make believe.

Still love ya, and wish the best for you and others who cannot see the truth.

[T Smith]

Supporting a 34x convicted felon and adjudicated rapist, who is all over his bestie, Epstein files isn't exactly civilized.



We are all well aware of the program.

Legitimate criticisms, please.

[Rizotto]

True, mass immigration is quite harmful to a country. Your thoughts on Trump decision to allow 600,000 chinese students into USA?


"President Donald Trump says he will allow 600,000 Chinese nationals to enter the U.S. on student visas to help secure a trade deal with China. The announcement of his policy shift angered some of Trump’s closest allies, who questioned how the president’s new stance puts America first — a slogan he ran on.
Trump made the announcement in the Oval Office on Monday after a highly anticipated meeting with South Korean President Lee Jae Myung that centered on golfing and easing tensions with North Korea."
Trump allows 600,000 Chinese students in US, angering conservative supporters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8sisNPdPZU

[T Smith]

True, mass immigration is quite harmful to a country. Your thoughts on Trump decision to allow 600,000 chinese students into USA?


"President Donald Trump says he will allow 600,000 Chinese nationals to enter the U.S. on student visas to help secure a trade deal with China. The announcement of his policy shift angered some of Trump’s closest allies, who questioned how the president’s new stance puts America first — a slogan he ran on.
Trump made the announcement in the Oval Office on Monday after a highly anticipated meeting with South Korean President Lee Jae Myung that centered on golfing and easing tensions with North Korea."
Trump allows 600,000 Chinese students in US, angering conservative supporters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8sisNPdPZU

I regard this issue more as a political debate. There are pros and cons--I'm not sure if this is the right thread to delve into that debate, but I'd be happy to explore further. Personally, I don't hold strong views one way or the other, but I definitely don't regard it in the same light as what is happening with the deliberate and unlawful influx of millions of migrants. Which in my view, as I describe above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124169-Day-1-of-Trump-s-Presidency...-and-all-the-days-that-follow&p=1696759&viewfull=1#post1696759), is a deliberate ploy to conquer and destroy the country.

But to elaborate, the State Department already allows up to roughly half this number of visas to Chinese students already, so Trump's proposal would double that number. But that doesn't necessarily mean the State Department is going to issue that many visas to Chinese students; it only means the State Department will now grant up to 600,000 Chinese visas, if the applicants qualify (a bargaining chip in the U.S./Chinese trade talks). Put another way, issuing a visa is a fairly intense vetting process, not unlike like legal immigration. So setting the political debate aside for a moment, this is the underlying issue as far as I'm concerned. For example, among other things, applicants have to make their social media profiles public, and officials check posts for signs of hostility toward the U.S., etc. Sounds somewhat Big-Brother creepy, but the point is, issuing a visa to Chinese nationals studying in the U.S. is much different from allowing any foreign actor in the country for any foreign reason.

In short, I'm not necessarily unsympathetic to arguments for or against, but I don't view this as a major issue relative to points in my previous posts.

[shaberon]

It seems every thread I try to participate in becomes saturated with "orange man or Israel bad" posts and nearly impossible to stay on subject. It's becoming more and more difficult to follow an interesting conversation anymore without constantly scrolling pages to see where the conversation left off and then possibly continued. The topic and or conversation is usually derailed and stopped by these same folks it seems.

I am starting to question why I'm still even participating....perhaps my time with Project Avalon is nearing its expiration date.



We are in an ideological clash that has been about the same since Europe first peeked out from its Catholic Old World Order.

This thread, per se, was started to track the actual orders and other actions committed by the Executive. But, like anything else, it will drift to what is really on our minds. This in turn is broken up in numerous other threads, which gives the appearance of frustrating your efforts.


I, personally, am not trying to get anyone to join anything, but, am coming more from the position of a conscientious objector of having certain ideas or ideologies draped over us. The examples that come to mind, that I have seen posted here, run in the vein of how I should join, consider myself a part of, or otherwise agree with or somehow support ideas such as:


white people

the west

Judeo-Christianity


and, I don't.

Particularly with respect to the last mentioned, it is a made-up phrase from the 1800s, which comes with the assertion that Greater Israel will be a European project that cuts out the Arabs or Islam because it is inferior or not part of the foregoing.

It happens to be sent out with ideology that is also still the core of neo-Nazi Thule devotees.




If someone would like to shift my bias towards these destinies, you're welcome to try.


As an American, I consider myself descended from that type of person who wanted to get out of these European conflicts based in dogmatic religion and all this. Past a certain point, in the 1770s, it was necessary to remove the British authority, based on opposition to certain policies, and not to install any particular form of government.

What we have is not only an unintended consequence, but, it is mostly the work of Wall Street, which of course was met with heavy opposition. I'm not a Democrat. I'm an adversary of the ideological root that became what is currently known as the Republican Party. Although this argument is wrapped in another gigantic misnomer, we are mostly looking at the consequences of it fading away, as described here from the Mises Institute (https://fee.org/articles/the-antifederalists-were-eerily-prophetic/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21607921915&gbraid=0AAAAADkIVmcZjinnEIOtnXRx55fllO8Il&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7sWrkIjhkQMVO01HAR2ktjk_EAAYASAAEgIJV_D_BwE):



What the Antifederalists predicted would be the results of the Constitution turned out to be true in most every respect.

Most school kids are left with the impression that the US Constitution was the inevitable follow-up to the Declaration of Independence and the war with King George. What they miss out on is the exciting debate that took place after the war and before the Constitution, a debate that concerned the dangers of creating a federal government at all.

The Antifederalist Movement

Everyone knows about the Federalists who pushed the Constitution. But far less known are the Antifederalists who warned with good reason against the creation of a new centralized government, and just after so much blood had been spilled getting rid of one.

The first of the Antifederalist Papers appeared in 1789. The Antifederalists were opponents of ratifying the US Constitution as it would create what would become an overbearing central government.

What the Antifederalists predicted would be the results of the Constitution turned out to be true in most every respect. As the losers in that debate, they are largely overlooked today. But that does not mean they were wrong or that we are not indebted to them.

In many ways, the group has been misnamed. Federalism refers to the system of decentralized government. This group defended states’ rights—the very essence of federalism—against the Federalists, who would have been more accurately described as Nationalists. Nonetheless, what they predicted would be the results of the Constitution turned out to be true in most every respect.

The Antifederalists warned us that the cost Americans would bear in both liberty and resources for the government that would evolve under the Constitution would rise sharply. That is why their objections led to the Bill of Rights, to limit that tendency.

Their Oppositions to the Constitution

Antifederalists opposed the Constitution on the grounds that its checks on federal power would be undermined by expansive interpretations of promoting the “general welfare” (which would be claimed for every law) and the “all laws necessary and proper” clause (which would be used to override limits on delegated federal powers) creating a federal government with unwarranted and undelegated powers that were bound to be abused.

One could quibble with the mechanisms the Antifederalists predicted would lead to constitutional tyranny. For instance, they did not see that the Commerce Clause would come to be called “the everything clause” in law schools, justifying almost any conceivable federal intervention—because the necessary distortion of its meaning was so great even Antifederalists couldn’t imagine the government could get away with it.

It merits remembering the Antifederalists’ prescient arguments and the virtual absence of modern Americans who share their concerns.

And they could not have foreseen how the 14th Amendment and its interpretation would extend federal domination over the states after the Civil War. But despite that, it is very difficult to argue with their conclusions in light of the current reach of our government, which doesn’t just intrude upon, but often overwhelms Americans today.

Therefore, it merits remembering the Antifederalists’ prescient arguments and how unfortunate is the virtual absence of modern Americans who share their concerns.

One of the most insightful of the Antifederalists was Robert Yates, a New York judge who, as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, withdrew because the convention was exceeding its instructions. Yates wrote as Brutus in the debates over the Constitution. Given his experience as a judge, his claim that the Supreme Court would become a source of almost unlimited federal overreaching was particularly insightful.

Expanded Judicial Power

Brutus asserted that the Supreme Court envisioned under the Constitution would become a source of massive abuse because they were beyond the control “both of the people and the legislature,” and not subject to being “corrected by any power above them.” As a result, he objected to the fact that its provisions justifying the removal of judges didn’t extend to rulings that went beyond their constitutional authority, leading to judicial tyranny.

Brutus argued that when constitutional grounds for making rulings were absent, the Court would create grounds “by their own decisions.” He thought that the power it would command would be so irresistible that the judiciary would use it to make law, manipulating the meanings of arguably vague clauses to justify it.

Expanded judicial power would empower justices to shape the federal government however they desired.

The Supreme Court would interpret the Constitution according to its alleged “spirit” rather than being restricted to just the “letter” of its written words (as the doctrine of enumerated rights, spelled out in the 10th Amendment, would require).

Further, rulings derived from whatever the court decided its spirit was would effectively “have the force of law,” due to the absence of constitutional means to “control their adjudications” and “correct their errors.” This constitutional failing would compound over time in a “silent and imperceptible manner,” through precedents that build on one another.

Expanded judicial power would empower justices to shape the federal government however they desired because the Supreme Court’s constitutional interpretations would control the effective power vested in government and its different branches. That would hand the Supreme Court ever-increasing power, in direct contradiction to Alexander Hamilton’s argument in Federalist 78 that the Supreme Court would be “the least dangerous branch.”

Judicial Tyranny

Brutus predicted that the Supreme Court would adopt “very liberal” principles of interpreting the Constitution. He argued that there had never in history been a court with such power and with so few checks upon it, giving the Supreme Court “immense powers” that were not only unprecedented, but perilous for a nation founded on the principle of consent of the governed. Given the extent to which citizens’ power to effectively withhold their consent from federal actions has been eviscerated, it is hard to argue with Brutus’s conclusion.

Brutus accurately described both the cause (the absence of sufficient enforceable restraints on the size and scope of the federal government) and the consequences (expanding burdens and increasing invasions of liberty) of what would become the expansive federal powers we now see all around us.

We need to understand their arguments if there is to be any hope of restraining the government to the powers it was actually granted in the Constitution.

But today, Brutus would conclude that he had been far too optimistic. The federal government has grown exponentially larger than he could ever have imagined (in part because he was writing when only direct, e.g., excise taxes and the small federal government they could finance were possible before the 16th Amendment opened the way for a federal income tax in 1913), far exceeding its constitutionally enumerated powers, despite the Bill of Rights’ constraints against it. The result burdens citizens beyond his worst nightmare.

The judicial tyranny that was accurately and unambiguously predicted by Brutus and other Antifederalists shows that in essential ways, they were right and that modern Americans still have a lot to learn from them.

We need to understand their arguments and take them seriously now, if there is to be any hope of restraining the federal government to the limited powers it was actually granted in the Constitution, given its current tendency to accelerate its growth beyond Constitutional limits.


If there are uncompromising positions on racial, religious, and political lines, then, we do not need to be under the same government. Those of us who temporarily found a way to be free from this perhaps need to be looking at exile. Nothing makes me suspect we might have a repairable situation. It seems more like misery will continue to spread, and, if I could find a way to realistically mitigate the fallout, I would post that. Right now I'm not aware of anything outside of the world of ideas that might be useful.

[Rizotto]

Perhaps Bill, who started this thread, could tell us more of what he envisioned its purpose to be.

Personally, I thought it was about collecting the facts pertaining to the Trump administration.
Their plan to regime change Venezuela and steal its oil is just one such fact. Here's an analysis on this by some of the best journalists, George Galloway and Max Blumenthal.


"Marco Rubio has been responsible for the worst foreign policy blunders of the Trump administratiion, argues Max Blumenthal. It's Rubio that's behind this entire Venezuela debacle"
INTERVIEW: Trump is too mentally enfeebled to right the ship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dehmY-vorQ