Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth? [Archive]

Hym

22nd January 2025, 17:31

In the midst of all conflicts there lives a kinetic spiritual force that is rarely guided by compassion. This is spirit as force, not morality or service for others with whom we share our journeys here. That force of superficial, yet impactful, life ending and life altering intent seeks to create division and define sides that form conflict amongst humans, that by their assigned places in each society removes the choices we all need to not be ground down in those force created conflicts.

Where we often get lost is in the obvious, me included. A big portion of my interest in commenting here has been stating the obvious, but I find myself lacking in viewing subject matter from before and after the measure of time.

I've never seen the need for any conflict, nor any reason to be resolved to fate, for if we are anything in these short life spans, we are defined by our transcendence from conflict, while dealing with them. How much time humans spend being pawns in the many dramas that few of them create is the measure of the possibilities they will create to bypass them and head on out to other places in these worlds, other spaces that so many other civilizations have already visited, open to the choices available to experience. It's not that complicated or difficult when we remove the false divisions, even those we spend time defining and opposing.

China as a communist, pseudo-capitalist, oligarchy was given its position in the world by those who control the monied interests of nation states, their armies and their technological tools meant only to feed off of the common, even as it is within the commons that we all have purchase of our soul created purposes, which definitely includes the people of China.

I do have Chinese relatives, but their lives have little to do with the culture that has been lost to the commerce of the human slavers who now control so much of life here on this little planet. It is in a delusional state of mind that those of us living in "free" countries tend to forget what it is like to live in those countries that are so openly subservient to their bureaucracies, as if we too are so free of those controls when we are not.

I was reminded of my own responsibilities, if just to myself alone and not in service to others, when a friend, in a drunken, late night phone rant with me reminded me of a saying his crypto-jewish grandparent said to him, "Your health is not determined by what you put in your mouth. Your health is bound to the things that leave your mouth." If Avalon is about anything, it is about heart known resolution and a deeper inquiry into the workings of our souls, relative to the times we are now in. I look forward to learning.....

It is not lost to everyone who looks inside that the world and our place as consciousness and experience within it, is already One. Not in any order, as in a darkened, malevolent
subservience posited into our psyches by those who manipulate the boundless spirit that is not theirs to sell, but the One we have known before and the One we will know again when we leave this state of impermance...Our best opportunity to share the value of that ever-changing state of awareness is simply to experience it..

Here are the lyrics to a song that brings this experience from a dream into the world we all know...

When I first heard the song I was busy. The words fit perfectly into the rare space of sacredness found somewhere in our own English. It was a direct translation of what I know, have taught and shared, as Ek Ong Kaar..It, All of It, Is One. Since I came here for the Song and The Singing, The Sun within, and none of the other b.s., it resounded in a very positive space for me...

It is Jackson Browne's "It Is One".

They shot a man into the sky
The moon and stars became his bed
He saw the sun rise seven times
And when he came back down he said

"It is one, it is one
One world spinning 'round the sun
Wherever it is you call home
Whatever country you come from
It is one, it is one, it is one, it is one"

They shot a man in Africa
At a time of rivalry and war
He had some dreams of a good life
But dreams aren't what they killed him for

Now people stand themselves next to the righteous
And they believe the things they say are true
They speak in terms of what divides us
To justify the violence they do

But it is one, it is one
One world spinning 'round the sun
Wherever it is you call home
Whatever country you come from
It is one, it is one, it is one, it is one

One, the deep blue ocean
One, the endless sky
One, the purple mountains
One, You And I

It's not a world of our own choosing
We don't decide where we are born
This life is a battleground between right and wrong
One way or other we are torn

People stand themselves next to the righteous
They believe the things they say are true
And speak in terms of what divides us
To justify the violence they do

It is one, it is one
One world spinning 'round the sun
Wherever it is you call home
Whatever country you come from
It is one, it is one, it is one, it is one

It is one, it is one
It is one, it is one

One, the purple mountains
One, the deep blue sea
One, all of creation
One, You And Me

One, it is
One, it is
One, one

For those who know how to embed the performance on this thread, preferably from one of his albums, and if it is cool to do...Please Do..Thank You !

note: there is now a video kindly posted by Alekahn2 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?20126-Alekahn2) below in post #8 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124189-Chinese-and-anti-Chinese-propaganda----what-s-the-truth&p=1652708&viewfull=1#post1652708)

rgray222

22nd January 2025, 17:46

I think this is a very good idea but it is akin to picking a few needles out of several very large haystacks.

it is extremely hard to tell the difference between news, general information and propaganda from China because the Chinese government maintains strict control over traditional media outlets (newspapers, television, radio) through censorship and ownership. This ensures that information disseminated to the public aligns with government messaging. The Chinese government also exercises considerable control over the internet, employing firewalls to restrict access to foreign websites and platforms. China monitors social media and employs censorship to manage public discourse. Chinese domestic platforms like Weibo and WeChat are subject to government regulation to control the narrative. China has taken great steps to strengthen its worldwide influence through state-sponsored international media outlets to shape favorable global narratives about China. There is no doubt that the Chinese government's influence touches every aspect of news and information that its own citizens and the world consume.

You could almost make the case that all Chinese news is propaganda because it is news directly from the government. You actually could make a case that the country that will benefit the most from a global government is China, so info from major global organizations is slanted to to benefit the Chinese government. We saw an exceptionally clear example of this with the World Health Organization (WHO) running cover for China at the start of and during the pandemic.

Michel Leclerc

22nd January 2025, 17:57

For thirty years I have been telling my Belgian students and coaches “learn Chinese”. To NO avail. Before that, I used to tell them that the Belgian state should create, side by side with the Latin-Greek and the Latin-science humanities, Latin-Arabic humanities. To NO avail. As for Chinese, I warned them: thanks to the Internet and to their own industrious zeal to learn English, all Chinese scientists and engineers can read Western Internet exchanges. And due to our stupidity, hubris and exceptionalism, we do not learn Chinese. The latter means that we are unable to follow their discussions on the Internet. Because being far more numerous than we are, and having a culture which they have NOT forgotten/suppressed but are proud of and grateful to, they do not see any need for having their exchanges in English to suit us.

And now, maybe even through the ”successful businessman” Trump, we may wish to – what, bomb them into oblivion?

It is not too late however, and fortunately the smartest among our younger people have finally opened up to the idea that there are different languages and civilisations, and hence different modes of thinking – and that we may learn from them something vital (necessary for our own survival).

Michel Leclerc

22nd January 2025, 18:06

As a consequence of these thoughts – I wonder how many members can read Chinese and/or understand Mandarin or Cantonese. (As for myself, I can read, with a commentary, something as extraordinary as the “Inner Chapters”... but that is deciphering, I have no access to modern news.)

With Russian, I guess quite a number of members finally managed to break through the Cyrillic barrier and discovered that Russian was not too difficult – translations they saw could then be verified. Great.

(Arabic, anyone?)

Chinese is a higher order of magnitude.

Good luck to all members in shedding biases and breaking through to what really lives in Chinese civilisation.

Ravenlocke

22nd January 2025, 18:15

Funny how this morning this showed up pertaining to this topic. Coincidence?

https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1882121573697823074

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Alekahn2

22nd January 2025, 18:43

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for Hym :bowing:

Hym

22nd January 2025, 19:00

🎶 Thank You Alekahn2 !!!!

ExomatrixTV

22nd January 2025, 19:18

...

I want to inject something for everyone to consider ...

If you are born in a country that has obvious limitations with free speech, corruption and abuse of power, and you feel that anyone NOT dare to address that is "guilty" by being silent (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4T0Yq_fYjY) about it, you will do anything to find a way to get allies to fight injustice in any form possible ... BUT if you have a family, children, depending on you having your job etc. etc. most may want to do the same but from their perspective they feel they can't. This is a UNIVERSAL issue worldwide, including the USA.

How many acts as if "everything is okay" in the USA also posting things on social media ... are they paid to do that? ... or could it be genuine? ... Or is it a mix of propaganda & real people enjoying being in the USA? ... Same goes for China, I guess. Is everyone who is happy in the USA a "suspect" of spreading propaganda? ... if they post stuff on social media, because they did not address the bad side of the USA? (same question goes for China).

Could it be that people WANT to be nice & enjoy living, even if they know some things are not okay and not right (just like in the USA) ... I noticed some people just can not stand anyone enjoying anything in a country that has provable injustice going on ... meanwhile, this perception can also be used on any other country. If somebody becomes a real expert on all the bad stuff happening in the USA or my country, The Netherlands 🇳🇱 and claims any positive news posted on social media is propaganda because it did not mention the horrible stuff. You see my point here. Everybody is now a "suspect" of spreading propaganda if you enjoy aspects of a country you are born and post it on social media ... meanwhile the VAST MAJORITY may well be 100% genuine & authentic.

But because of the injustice and bad things also going on, some people feel OFFENDED by the positivity of ANY kind that is displayed. Especially people who are or were traumatized, can not phantom "the silence of betrayal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4T0Yq_fYjY)" mannerism. No matter if anyone is enjoying their lives to make the most of it. And then you have REAL paid propaganda makers added in to the mix.

When anyone is hyper focussed on 1 way of thinking, having no time to use REAL discernment skills, thus spewing accusatory (over)generalizations for "the greater good" called: "fighting injustice" that can happen in ANY country in the world.

Maybe this fight/struggle can be so frustrating that there is no room for real empathy for people who have a good life?

So HOW should we do full justice to both perspectives?

Giving credits to all who want to fight corruption & abuse in ANY country helping & assisting victims of organized crime & psychological warfare at the same time NOT assuming everything that is nice & positive posted on social media "must" be "paid propagandists".

One reason WHY some stay in black & white thinking might be that because you are not allowed to criticize your government on social media USING that platform in a nice uplifting way is immediately seen as "awkward" KNOWING you can not openly expose any injustice done by your government ... This MIX is for some reason enough to assume EVERYBODY is "guilty" if you have a "good time" and showing that to the world. Because it represents a behavior of "denial" of what is really going on. But this psychological framing can be said in almost ALL countries where injustice is not dealt with.

So back to my early point, any expert/research of corruption & injustice WILL find things that most people do NOT want to discuss nor be associated with making them complicit in being silent (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4T0Yq_fYjY) about it, but this psychological phenomenon is UNIVERSAL worldwide. In other words, nobody is allowed to feel nice anymore .... let that sink in for a moment ... How should we deal with this to respect all sides? ... Or is that impossible to do for some fanatic freedom/justice fighters ... Just study how insane Wokism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115313-There-s-the-Woke-and-the-In-The-Know) has become the last couple of years, doing even worse things than what happened in the McCarthyism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism) era of the 1950s in the USA.

How do we solve this issue?

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.160x160o.f6c78faaf102@2x.png (https://substack.com/@johnkuhles)

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://substack.com/@johnkuhles) 🦜🦋🌳
January 22, 2025

HopSan

22nd January 2025, 19:37

Thanks all, really interesting and important!

Some quick thoughts come to mind:

1. There is a deep unknown reason why all races deeply differ in all
possible observable characteristics.

2. Chinese like their current way.
Strong, sane big brother.
I don't understand them.

3. Russians like their style, especially now, and have been invincible
forever.

4. Finnish people, as Russians, as most north-white europeans want to
leave their doors un-locked. And they did, for thousands of years.

5. US-Israel-UK Empire hates and demonizes everyone else.
Scared, wanting to kill, while not quite knowing why.

6. Races, and sub-races, etc. are different and want to be different.

Not so long ago people wanted to travel as guests to other cultures,
respecting their habits, thinking and style.

Perhaps we should return to that way of being?

Michel Leclerc

22nd January 2025, 20:03

(...)

I want to inject something for everyone to consider ...

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How do we solve this issue?

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Thank you John. Every one of your thoughts here is true.

Ravenlocke

22nd January 2025, 20:23

Thank you Michelle and Exomatrix, that is the question I ask as well.

ExomatrixTV

22nd January 2025, 20:27

...

(...)

I want to inject something for everyone to consider ...

(...)

How do we solve this issue?

(...)

Thank you John. Every one of your thoughts here is true.

quote: "How can I wake up my friends and family? So I'm going to answer this question that I get all the time. And it's an answer that sometimes people don't like to hear it, but I'm going to explain why I think it's true.

Jeffrey Wolf Green stated that ±70% of the population lives in a consensus state. Which is basically a herd mentality. So these are the literal NPC's of the world. So they don't form independent thought. When they want to know what their opinions are on certain topics, they just look to the external world. So these kinds of people will tend to get the most offended when you present them with certain views that go outside their paradigm because their beliefs actually represent unconscious security needs.

So they unconsciously gain security, interest in the mainstream media, celebrities, the experts, the government. They basically can't really think for themselves, so they seek security and outsourcing their opinions to the outer world. Moving from this consensus herd mentality to the next stage, which is an individuated state, is often a traumatic process. Because instead of trusting the external world like you always have, the government, the authorities, you actually have to learn how to trust self as an inner guidance system instead. And in order to do that, you actually have to decondition and then do a lot of what you thought was true about yourself and the world in the process.

So this is a really alienating and lonely process by design because in order to discover who you are you actually have to separate from the herd to begin with. And the thing is you can't actually force people out of this state. It has to come from an inner calling, so it has to come from them realizing that there is something different inside of them that can't be explained by the expert, science, celebrities, government. And in my view it really takes a certain ripeness of the soul to even want to go down that path because it's not easy". unquote

source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120861-Why-don-t-The-Masses-acknowledge-their-oppression&p=1550416&viewfull=1#post1550416)

Dilettante

22nd January 2025, 21:16

Quick thought. I like to remind myself that while the flood of lies we are bathed in comes from governments the world over (including our own), the people of the world generally want the same thing at the end of the day.

Love, beauty, and truth know no boundaries.

These principles are available to the Russian and Chinese people as much as they are available to all of us, if we choose to open our hearts to them.

Just to add some light, I absolutely adore studying the hexagrams of the I Ching (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching#Hexagrams), they are infinitely fascinating. Zu Chongzhi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zu_Chongzhi) is one of my favorite astronomers and mathematicians -- he calculated pi to an approximation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil%C3%BC) (355/113, my favorite fraction) that would not be surpassed for almost nine-hundred years!

As for the Russians, Andrei Tarkovsky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Tarkovsky) is certainly my favorite film director. The sanctity of art he brings to the screen is unparalleled, although Andrey Zvyagintsev (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Zvyagintsev) carries the flame for that style of cinema. Leviathan (2014) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_(2014_film)) will take your breath away.

I know this is off-topic, but I wanted to add some levity!

Ravenlocke

22nd January 2025, 21:33

onawah

23rd January 2025, 01:40

The thread Turmoil in China https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...rmoil+in+china
...which I started back in 2020 has lots and lots of posts from good sources of information about the harm the CCP is doing to it's own citizens, it's goals for domination of the planet, how and why it spreads so much false propaganda, etc., and just what it is about the propaganda that is false, which can be quite illuminating.
Not to mention shocking....I doubt that even many Avalonians really have any idea how very dystopian the reality in China has become.
I've grown weary of keeping that thread going with so little attention being paid to it by Avalon members, so I hope the new thread succeeds.
And perhaps finally all the work I've put into that thread will serve a purpose if Avalonians care to check it out and start referencing the same sources of information I have been using.
("The China Show" is one of those, an odd mix of ground breaking info and silly entertainment and relatively pointless conversation between the two hosts, but it's one of my favorites since the hosts, one American, one from South Africa, both lived, worked and travelled in China for over a decade and still have connections in China who keep them well informed as to what is actually going on there, and that's no mean feat since the CCP ruthlessly censors everything they can that puts them in a bad light.)
Other youtube channels like Epoch Times, NTD News, China Observer, China in Focus, China Truths and more provide lots of news about what is going on in China, frequently with vidoes that back up the stories.

shaberon

23rd January 2025, 02:36

A great deal of attitude adjustment and de-bunking is available from Thorsten Pattberg (https://www.pattberg.org/).

Secondly, Sinophobia was conjured by the U. S. Navy in the 1850s, and "reborn" through the Truman Doctrine. Most of the "anti-China" rant is obviously Stupid.

I'm not here to answer to every accusation of crime or corruption, etc., I can't possibly do that. I am, indirectly, a vessel of Chinese culture so I really have the utmost respect for, let's say, at least some Chinese minority that focuses the better part of their heritage.

As far as the government, it is a very different system, there is no "private property" as we know it.

What we know is "private property" is responsible for most of the wars. I don't defend or promote this farce, so I don't accept its arguments. If it has its way, in the future we will kill each other for a glass of water.

Thirdly, the European Enlightenment comes from a copy of Confucius. It didn't work, but if they hadn't tried, you wouldn't have any free speech.

Are we talking about the government or the culture, and by "propaganda", is it that which attempts to shift our feelings? Because the issue of "true or false" is something else. You can only propagandize the "swing vote", so to speak. If the Chinese government is not setting up NED-type networks in Kansas so the Idahoans will rally to whatever their "cause" is, they're not committing it. A "distortion" in a Xinhua article does not amount to the same.

Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 03:20

In February 2022

https://x.com/CarlZha/status/1492508772291735552

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[url]https://x.com/thinking_panda/status/1314818405602676738

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[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epoch-times-falun-gong-growth-rcna111373

How the conspiracy-fueled Epoch Times went mainstream and made millions
The conservative news outlet has amassed a fortune, growing its revenue by 685% in two years, according to tax documents.

Oct. 13, 2023, 6:00 AM PDT / Updated Oct. 13, 2023, 1:38 PM PDT

The Epoch Times mirrors the aesthetics of journalism — which has attracted subscribers and big-name supporters. Chelsea Stahl / NBC News; Mark Peterson via Redux; Getty Images

In the runup to the 2020 election, a small news organization saw an opportunity.

The Epoch Times directed millions of dollars in advertising toward supporting President Donald Trump’s campaign and published dozens of articles parroting his lies about the election — resulting in huge growth to its audience and its coffers.

The strategy garnered criticism from fact-checking groups and got it banned from advertising on Facebook, but it ultimately paid off — putting the once-fringe newspaper on a path that perhaps only its leader, who claims to have supernatural powers, could have foreseen.

Today, The Epoch Times is one of the country’s most successful and influential conservative news organizations. It’s powered by Falun Gong, a religious group persecuted in China, which launched The Epoch Times as a free propaganda newsletter more than two decades ago to oppose the Chinese Communist Party.

Funded through aggressive online and real-world marketing campaigns and big-money conservative donors, The Epoch Times now boasts to be the country’s fourth-largest newspaper by subscriber count. (Unlike most major newspapers, The Epoch Times isn't audited by the two major independent collectors of circulation data.) The nonprofit has amassed a fortune, growing its revenue by a staggering 685% in two years, to $122 million in 2021, according to the group’s most recent tax records.

Its editorial vision — fueled by a right-wing slant and conspiracy theories — is on display in recent reports on how “Jan. 6 Capitol Hill Security Footage Challenges Key Narratives” and “Meteorologists, Scientists Explain Why There Is ‘No Climate Emergency.’” Its video series include a documentary-style film alleging widespread vaccine injury and death and an exposé of an alleged world government agenda to harm farmers, cull the population and force survivors to eat bugs.

What The Epoch Times lacks in standards, it makes up for in style and form, mirroring the aesthetics of journalism — a feature that’s attracted subscribers and big-name supporters.

Anti-vaccine activist and presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. calls The Epoch Times a daily read, among his most trusted news sources. “They have a real bias against China, but on other reporting, they’re very courageous and it’s real journalism,” Kennedy said in an interview with NBC News this summer.

In July, Rep. Ralph Norman, R-S.C., recited the history of The Epoch Times into the congressional record. “This is all about one word: freedom,” Norman said.

The Epoch Times has yet to throw its weight behind a candidate for 2024, but heading into the election cycle, it is moving into new and bigger office spaces and production studios in California, hiring mainstream news veterans who are not affiliated with Falun Gong, and revving up an ad-buying blitz.

“They achieved the goal,” said Brendan Steinhauser, a Texas-based Republican strategist hired by The Epoch Times in 2018 to open doors to conservative politicians and players. Steinhauser said that a series of interviews and introductions with politicians and media figures at that year’s Conservative Political Action Conference offered access to a wider conservative audience. The Epoch Times was a “supporting sponsor” for this year’s conference.

“They take advantage of every opportunity,” Steinhauser, who is not currently working for The Epoch Times, continued. “They studied digital marketing. They learned how to work the system. And they did it. They're smarter than people give them credit for, and they’ve got the money to back it up.”

As a nonprofit, The Epoch Times is exempt from most federal taxes. Its mission, according to tax filings, is independent journalism, “outside of political interests and the pursuit of profit, for the public benefit and to be truly responsible to society.”

Neither the chairman nor the editor-in-chief of The Epoch Times returned multiple requests for comment. Representatives for The Epoch Times have previously defended it against critical reporting, labeling reports of the paper’s conservative mission, and its penchant for misinformation, “smears.”

Epoch Times representatives also deny an affiliation with Falun Gong, despite the two groups’ clear financial and organizational ties: The Epoch Times board members and most staff are Falun Gong practitioners. The nonprofits behind The Epoch Times and Friends of Falun Gong, the movement’s advocacy organization, share executives and provide grants and services to each other, according to tax filings. And the newspaper, along with a digital production company and the heavily advertised dance troupe Shen Yun, make up a nonprofit network that the leader of the religious movement calls “our media.”

In 2009, Li Hongzhi came to speak to his followers, volunteers who worked at The Epoch Times’ offices in Manhattan. Li’s instructions for the group were simple. They needed to reach people outside of the Falun Gong religious community. And they needed to make money. A lot of it.

“Ensure that the paper gains a foothold in ordinary society and turns profitable,” Li said.

Falun Gong — or Falun Dafa, as some followers call it — is a kind of personal development movement started by Li in China in 1992. It combines tenets of Buddhism and Taoism, and followers practice with meditation and flowing breath and movement exercises, and by studying Li’s teachings.

To his followers, Li is a God-like figure who can levitate, walk through walls and see into the future. His ultra-conservative and controversial teachings include a rejection of modern science, art and medicine, and a denunciation of homosexuality, feminism and general worldliness.

In 1999, after thousands of Li’s followers silently protested its repression in Beijing, China banned it altogether. Labeling it a cult, the Chinese government confiscated Falun Gong books, blocked websites, closed teaching centers and arrested practitioners. Human rights groups reported a brutal crackdown: Some adherents were sent to labor camps; others were tortured and killed.

International human rights organizations condemned China’s attempted eradication. In the U.S., where Li and some of his practitioners had fled, a new collection of followers organized a campaign to raise awareness and sympathy with parades, demonstrations and pamphlets that touted the benefits of Falun Gong and the brutality of the Chinese Communist Party.

The Epoch Times was born out of that leafleting campaign. Started in Georgia in 2000 by John Tang, a Falun Gong practitioner who remains its CEO, in essence it was a Chinese-language public relations newsletter. The group’s long-term goals were ambitious: to expose the Chinese Communist Party and to save the world in a supernatural war against communism.

Through the early aughts, The Epoch Times grew from an online effort to a weekly physical newspaper, with a home base in New York and a TV production company, New Tang Dynasty Television. It raised money from followers and was staffed by unpaid volunteers. It ran aggregated articles on international issues from Voice of America next to Thanksgiving Day explainers, dispatches from Falun Gong parades, and exposés on atrocities alleged to have been committed by the Chinese Communist Party.

By 2019, it had gone mostly digital and was spending millions of dollars on creating a network of Facebook pages and groups and running aggressive pro-Trump ad campaigns. The move toward explicit support of Republicans, despite Li’s teachings to stay away from U.S. politics, was foreshadowed by Li’s comments at a Falun Gong conference a year before.

Li said that Falun Gong’s media ought to put a “constructive” spin on the news, to advance the group’s aims. It wasn’t wrong, he said, to favorably cover a politician who shared Falun Gong’s conservative values and whose goals aligned with their own.

“If someone comes along now who can help to halt the downward spiral that the world is in, then he is truly someone extraordinary!” Li said. “He would in effect be helping us! Wouldn’t he be helping us to save people?”

The Epoch Times also employed a tactic more often associated with fake news content farms and scammers than news organizations, creating a network of inspiring and cute-content pages and fake accounts to inflate The Epoch Times' reach.

In 2019, following reporting by NBC News, Facebook found that The Epoch Times had “leveraged foreign actors posing as Americans to push political content” and banned it from future advertising, citing a violation of policies, including trying to circumvent review systems.

Undeterred, The Epoch Times pivoted to video, specifically YouTube, spending millions on internet-infamous ads featuring Roman Balmakov, a former Epoch Times delivery person who now hosts the online show Facts Matter. In the ads, Balmakov rails against the mainstream media, communism and the persecution of Trump.

The Epoch Times also revisited a tried-and-true strategy that the original anti-communism newspaper had been built on — free physical copies. Instead of boxes on street corners, this time The Epoch Times printed and distributed unsolicited special editions of the paper from California to the Carolinas to the U.K. In Philadelphia alone in 2020, the company mailed 280,000 free copies of its newspaper, “to increase subscription,” according to tax documents.

The aggressive online and real-life marketing campaigns paid off. The group reported $76 million in subscription revenue in 2021, compared to nearly $7 million in 2019. A former employee of a regional Epoch Times operation who asked not to be identified because he feared retribution said that in order to send the papers to the most likely customers, they bought lists of addresses from data brokers, specifically for conservatives aged 60 and over. And many of the new subscribers are seniors, according to an employee’s account shared at a Falun Gong conference.

But hundreds of online complaints suggest that not all of the new customers are satisfied.

“I’ve had the terrible misfortune of being subscribed to the Epoch Times without my consent,” one reads. Another says: “I want to stop receiving Epoch Times emails. That is all I want.”

As The Epoch Times’ marketing strategy shifted, so did the content — and by 2020, it became a megaphone for the U.S.’s most extreme right-wing stories.

There was plenty to write about: An election marred by disinformation, the bubbling culture wars and, most helpful for a media company missioned with ending the Chinese Communist Party, a pandemic originating from China provided endless opportunities for takes that aligned with hawkish conservatives and conspiracy theorists.

The Epoch Times was early to lay blame on China for Covid — labeling it the “CCP Virus” in its coverage. (The origin of the outbreak is unknown; the best evidence still points to natural transmission from an animal market.) China’s documented handling of the virus, including withholding information from researchers, a crackdown on whistleblowers and an authoritarian public health response, added credibility to The Epoch Times’ unproven claims.

“The dynamic for The Epoch Times changed in 2020, partly because of their criticism of China around Covid,” said A.J. Bauer, an assistant journalism professor at the University of Alabama who studies conservative media. “An entire new kind of ecosystem of Covid deniers and skeptics overlapped with right-wing media and were citing and drawing heavily upon The Epoch Times.”

The Epoch Times’ subscription page began hosting glowing testimonials from Steve Bannon, Glenn Beck and the far-right Arizona congressman Paul Gosar. The organization became a reliable source for misinformation around Covid, its treatments and the vaccines.

The Epoch Times was also an early and aggressive promoter of election misinformation, according to the Election Integrity Partnership, a coalition of researchers that documented misinformation and the 2020 vote. The group cited the news organization as a “repeat spreader” of false and misleading voter fraud stories as well as a major promoter of debunked conspiracy theories around Dominion voting machines and the “Stop the Steal” movement, aimed at overturning the election results. Months after the election, The Epoch Times refused to acknowledge the results.

With the new bedfellows came a new revenue stream. Though Falun Gong practitioners had been a reliable source of small donations in previous years, in 2020 the group started to receive gifts and grants from big money conservative donors.

While The Epoch Times is not required to list its donors, it reported $8.4 million in revenue from contributions and grants in 2020 and 2021. Tax documents from that period filed by scores of donors, accessed through ProPublica’s nonprofit explorer, show some of those funds came from conservative donors and foundations.

In 2021, The Epoch Times received $55,750 from the National Christian Charitable Foundation, which connects anonymous donors with Christian causes, and $31,000 from Donors Trust, a fund for conservative and libertarian donors. Smaller donations came from individuals — real estate agents, investors and surgeons among them — and small family foundations, most of which support right-wing causes, including evangelical Christian groups, anti-vaccine groups and far-right media organizations.

Most of the donors contacted by NBC News did not respond to interview requests; two declined.

The Epoch Times is pouring its revenue back into its own organization and others connected to the Falun Gong religious movement.

In the first half of this year, The Epoch Times spent 65% more on ads than in the first six months of 2022, with about half of its budget going to the X platform, formerly Twitter, according to the market intelligence firm Sensor Tower. Other recent ad buys were made on the right-wing sites Drudge Report, Breitbart and Rumble.

The Epoch Times paid a company called Data Managing Corporation $2.7 million for advertising services in 2021, according to tax documents. The company’s listed address is a single-family home in New Jersey owned by a reporter for The Epoch Times, who did not return requests for comment.

In addition to running its business, The Epoch Times provided about $30 million in grants to its own affiliates and connected organizations in 2021, including $10.4 million to the dance troupe Shen Yun, and $8.3 million to New Tang Dynasty, which produces videos.

The three groups, united under the Falun Gong religious movement, made up a nearly quarter-billion dollar industry in 2021, according to tax documents. Li holds that the Falun Gong messages, shared in articles, videos and dance performances, will result in the salvation of humankind as the end of the world nears.

Despite its massive war chest, conservative partnerships and clear right-wing leanings, in many respects, The Epoch Times has never looked more like a legitimate news source.

Its glossy website and physical paper are emblazoned with its name in serif font, and wire service articles sit beside Epoch Times originals.

The hard news and political coverage is bylined by a mix of longtime Falun Gong followers with no discernible journalism training, early career reporters, some with experience at right-wing websites — and in the last year, a handful of more accomplished journalists, who come with resumés that span decades at mainstream publications.

Among them, Darlene McCormick Sanchez, a former journalist at the Waco Tribune-Herald and a Pulitzer finalist in the 1990s for her reporting on David Koresh. Sanchez now tackles the culture wars and LGBTQ topics at The Epoch Times; a recent report was headlined, “The Sinister Theory Behind the Q in LGBTQ.”

Beth Brelje, a former executive editor of a daily covering Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, now writes about state politics for The Epoch Times. Her recent stories include sympathetic profiles of anti-abortion activists federally charged with blocking access to abortion facilities and a Hershey employee who refused to comply with the company’s vaccination requirement.

Janice Hisle, a former award-winning crime reporter for The Cincinnati Enquirer, is covering Trump’s 2024 campaign. On Facebook, Hisle has been critical of the media and spread a conspiracy theory about Jan. 6, posting to a local radio station’s Facebook group, “FYI ANTIFA INSTIGATED VIOLENCE, not Trump supporters.”

The three journalists didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The news coverage is paired with Goopish articles like “Get Passionate About Passion Fruit” and “Pregnant Nurse With Terminal Cancer Refuses Chemo and Abortion, Lives on to Give Birth, Seeks Alternative Treatment,” written by international freelancers.

Its opinion section spans nearly the same length as news, and hosts right-wing points of view, from conservative authors, libertarian think tank fellows, political columnists and professional conspiracy theorists.

According to NewsGuard, a nonpartisan company that rates the credibility of news sites, both The Epoch Times news and opinion articles “frequently include distorted, misleading, or unsubstantiated claims.”

But that’s not how many readers see it. In 2020, AllSides, a media literacy company that rates the political biases of news organizations, revised its rating for The Epoch Times, marking it only “moderately conservative” after surveys reported people consistently considered it to be in the “center” of the political spectrum.

“The Epoch Times is a comment on how much credibility is put in things with the right look and feel. Things like naming, branding and headlines,” said Jay Rosen, associate professor of journalism at New York University. “The forms and formats of news are there. But the actual goods are not.”

Rosen called The Epoch Times a sign of the times — one in which the public sphere is fractured and conservative media is ready to offer alternate realities.

“More and more, especially for the right-wing populists around the world, people approach truth and reality from the demand side,” Rosen said. “When there is the demand for something to be true, these media properties go out and meet it.”

The demand is clear. In January, at the height of its traffic, the Epoch Digital Network, which includes The Epoch Times and its video sharing website, Youmaker, clocked a little under 10 million unique viewers, placing it 78th on Comscore’s ranking of news and information websites. Though its metrics fall far short of legacy media organizations, The Epoch Times generally outperformed its conservative peers, including Newsmax and The Daily Caller.

And the media organization is expanding. Late last year, The Epoch Times signed a lease for a new 26,680-square-foot office space in Irvine, California, and it is advertising jobs for experienced journalists to work remotely, offering salaries of $40,000 to $72,000 a year.

Internationally, the media outlet also continues to grow, hiring in Canada, Sweden, Norway and other European countries where it is cementing itself as a trusted source among the global far-right.

Job boards show positions for reporters, producers, television writers, event managers and more — reflecting an expanded offering beyond newspapers. Backpage ads in the physical copy of The Epoch Times enumerate the possibilities: internet shows, podcasts, weekly magazines and documentaries.

“In today’s world of misinformation and media bias, how much is accurate, unbiased news worth to you and your family?” ads ask.

“You can’t put a price on truth.”

Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 03:32

https://www.axios.com/2020/06/23/falun-gong-us-agency-global-media

Jun 23, 2020 -World

In media agency shakeup, conservative groups push for Falun Gong-backed internet tools

In the wake of a leadership change at the U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM), a small group of religious freedom advocates is trying to secure millions of dollars in funding for two internet censorship circumvention tools developed by supporters of the Falun Gong, a controversial religious group banned in China.

Why it matters: In recent years, Falun Gong supporters have made common cause with the global far-right, and a growing rapport between its advocates and U.S. ultra-conservatives within USAGM could override internal vetting processes and channel funding toward pet projects.
What's happening: After Trump appointee and Steve Bannon ally Michael Pack took over at USAGM last week, he fired the heads of its media agencies and replaced board members with administration loyalists without international broadcasting experience.

The shake-up is fueling concerns that the takeover might herald a politicization of U.S. government media.
Pack also fired Libby Liu, head of the Open Technology Fund, an organization under USAGM oversight that helps develop internet privacy and censorship circumvention tools such as Signal, a widely used encrypted messaging service.
Details: It's the Open Technology Fund's purse that advocates of UltraSurf and Freegate, tools developed and supported by Falun Gong affiliates, hope will now open up.

UltraSurf and Freegate are internet censorship circumvention tools that some users in China and other authoritarian regimes have long used to gain access to censored websites.
The Broadcasting Board of Governors, USAGM's predecessor, previously directed funding to UltraSurf, but stopped after UltraSurf's developers refused to comply with an independent security audit, part of the fund's mandatory process for all its funding recipients.
Christian and religious liberty groups in the U.S. have helped promote UltraSurf to U.S. politicians, arguing that Christians and other persecuted religious groups in China, including the Falun Gong, need it in order to access the unfettered internet.
Among UltraSurf's strongest backers are Katrina Lantos Swett of the Lantos Foundation for Human Rights and Justice and Michael Horowitz, who formerly directed the Project for International Religious Liberty at the Hudson Institute.

Horowitz, who has promoted UltraSurf for over a decade, appeared on Bannon's radio show "War Room" one week before the USAGM dismissals and called on Liu to be fired. Bannon repeated her name and appeared to write it down while on air.
Swett has repeatedly called for the Open Technology Fund to redirect millions of dollars to support UltraSurf and Freegate.
What they're saying: Both Swett and Horowitz have cast UltraSurf and similar programs as tools that could potentially tear down the Great Firewall, China's system of internet censorship, and perhaps even topple the Chinese Communist Party itself.

"We believe that the great firewall of China is the Berlin Wall of our time," Swett told Axios in an interview, adding that Beijing censors the internet out of the belief that "their current repressive autocratic system cannot survive freedom."
But, but, but: It's not that simple, say experts in internet privacy and censorship circumvention.

China's internet censorship is advanced and well-funded, and no single tool, or even type of tool, is sufficient to meet the many different needs of users behind the Great Firewall, a person familiar with censorship circumvention tools told Axios.
That's why the Open Technology Fund has sought to fund research and development to create new technologies that could be widely adopted by many tool developers, rather than pouring the bulk of its funding into a single tool.
Background: The Falun Gong is heavily persecuted in China but has flourished outside of China's borders, operating a global media empire that includes the Epoch Times.

In recent years, the Epoch Times has thrown its support behind the far-right agendas of ascendant populist, anti-immigrant parties in the U.S. and Europe.
It is now recognized as a part of the pro-Trump alternative media ecosystem.
The bottom line: A far-right take-over of an independent U.S. government agency may allow once-fringe ideas promulgated by a controversial religious group to become official policy.

Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 03:58

And before anti-China there was Japan

https://x.com/PandemicTruther/status/1444701983005347841

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:02

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:07

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This is absolutely fascinating. This is Ashley J. Tellis, formerly special assistant to President George W. Bush and senior director for strategic planning and Southwest Asia.

He explains how already during the "first and second Bush terms [the US's] geopolitical objectives in Asia was to build up Indian power [to] aid Asia shift towards multipolarity which is a fancy way of saying 'we want to surround China with many capable powers on its periphery' [to] limit China's capacity to exploit its power, [which] serves American interests".

Which is yet another proof - if need be - that the official narrative that the deterioration of the US-China relationship all started with Xi Jinping's arrival in power, which made the US shift from "engagement" to countering China is a tall tail. In fact already during Bush's first term (2001 to 2005) - you heard it straight from the horse's mouth - the US's strategy in Asia was to surround China so it couldn't "exploit its power", because of course only the US can do that...

The truth is of course that the US always sought to force China to conform to its interests, and its interests were always to have a China that wasn't a competitor, both in terms of power and business. Concretely this meant that China had to stick to business activities that could serve US firms instead of competing with them, and geopolitical actions that would serve US interests instead of Chinese ones.

No sovereign country, particularly one like China whose development for its people relies on moving up the value chain and developing foreign relationships according to its own interests, could possibly accept that. So they didn't and here lies the whole root cause of the issue: this is - more than anything else - why they're demonized. They're evil because they couldn't accept to just be underdeveloped and submissive... And this is also why the current world order is irremediably broken and needs reforming.

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1709401613134410126

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:10

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The US voluntarily de-industrialized and financialized its economy, so corporations could make more profits by outsourcing manufacturing jobs to China, to exploit workers with lower wages.

Now China has become the world's manufacturing superpower, training highly skilled workers, significantly raising their living standards, and building its own local industries, which are out-competing many US corporations.

So the US instead changes the rules of its beloved "rules-based order", imposing sanctions and waging economic war on Chinese companies.

Meanwhile, Washington blames Beijing for this reversal, ignoring how the USA's own polices of de-industrialization, financialization, and outsourcing destroyed its industrial base.

As the Financial Times puts it in this article, "America is feeling buyer’s remorse at the world it built": https://ft.com/content/77faa249-0f88-4700-95d2-ecd7e9e745f9

https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1673792139723931649

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:12

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When the US normalized relations with China and allowed it into the WTO, US capital wanted China to always remain in a subordinated economic position, providing cheap, low value-added, labor-intensive consumer goods to Western markets.

Now that China has rapidly moved up the value-added chain to high-tech production (through state-led development and robust industrial policy), and can compete with US technology monopolies, Washington is waging economic war, trying to prevent China from further developing.

The aim of US capital was to perpetually keep China trapped at the bottom of the value chain, with the other formally colonized countries in the periphery of the capitalist world system. The fact that China refuses to be economically subordinated is precisely why the US is so angry and belligerent.

https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1768462198165131287

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:18

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The fervent and pervasive campaign against China by the US is nothing short of mind-boggling. It's as if the entire nation has succumbed to a collective frenzy driven by a mix of fear, mistrust, and self-righteousness.

One cannot help but marvel at the spectacle of a superpower like the US relentlessly demonizing a country it once embraced as a partner in global trade. It's almost like watching a lover turn into a bitter enemy overnight, fueled by a cocktail of jealousy, paranoia, and a sense of moral superiority.

The irony of it all is that while the US accuses China of being a threat to global peace and stability, it's the US itself that has been the most belligerent and aggressive nation in recent times, with a long track record of military interventions, covert operations, and regime change efforts around the world.

Perhaps the most galling aspect of this anti-China hysteria is how it's being used to distract Americans from the real problems plaguing their own society, such as income inequality, racism, and political polarization. It's as if the US is projecting its own insecurities and failures onto China, hoping to deflect attention from its own shortcomings.

In the end, it's hard not to feel a sense of pity for the US as it stumbles around blindly, lashing out at the world in a futile attempt to maintain its fading dominance. One can only hope that sanity will eventually prevail and that the US will come to realize that its real enemies are not external but internal.

https://x.com/nxt888/status/1653987433393053697

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:24

https://x.com/SameeraKhan/status/1222059515509706752

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:26

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:30

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Interesting that Mearsheimer, a longtime proponent of containing China (and, IMHO, very wrong about this), believes we're now well past the point of no return.

He says that "the US cannot do much at this point to slow down Chinese economic growth" and that he "would bet that the Chinese will overcome the American effort to damage the Chinese economy more than the American economy is damaged as a result of these sanctions and tariffs", meaning that the US now hurts itself more by trying to contain China than it hurts China.

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1855486659028279599

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:37

https://x.com/RJ_Macnaughton/status/1880324499289305393

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:45

https://x.com/wallacemick/status/1410517344548491265

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https://x.com/ShangguanJiewen/status/1576755554193547264

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https://x.com/ChinaCGCalgary/status/1858724465569657298

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:51

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Twitter trolls have labeled me a “CCP shill”, despite the fact that I am not a member of the CPC and have no plans to become one soon.

Like most Chinese, I am a supporter of our government because I've visited countless rural places that were formerly impoverished and witnessed firsthand how prosperous they have grown. The success of our government, in my opinion, lies in its efforts to reduce poverty and implement reforms in rural areas.

In 2012, I went on a field trip to Nongyong, a little village in South China’s Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region. The absence of modern transportation meant that the village kids had to traverse multiple muddy mountain trails to get to school, and then climb a wood ladder fastened to the side of a cliff.

The village was a backwaters with no running water. The local primary school had to gather rainwater on the roof for the children to drink. The children I encountered were mostly "left-behind kids," whose parents had gone to the city in search of better economic opportunities. They only get to see their parents once a year, and that's during the Spring Festival.

Meng Xuantai, an eight-year-old boy, lived in the little village. He was too little to climb the wooden ladder on his own, so his older brother, who was three years his senior, had to help him get to school.

He told a reporter from Xinhua News Agency that his goal was to work in a big city to support his family and be closer to his parents, who he missed terribly.

The situation began to improve in 2014, when the local authorities made helping the villagers a primary priority. Children no longer had to risk their lives by using the precarious wood ladder to get to school; the government had a road constructed for the tiny town. More than 5 million yuan, or around $713,970, was spent on updating Meng's school. Multimedia classrooms, vocal music rooms, libraries, and a distant teaching system are just some of the cutting-edge facilities made available to the village kids, in addition to brand-new classrooms, dorms, a cafeteria, and restrooms.

Journalists from Xinhua ran across the once-eight-year-old Meng again in 2021. With the help of the government, he was able to complete his study at a vocational school and find job in Guangdong. His brother went to university and decided to become a teacher to help the children in their community.

In the past few years, I've traveled extensively throughout rural China. Many villages, including Meng's, have turned from impoverished backwaters into thriving towns. In order for parents to remain at home with their kids and have a better quality of life, the local government has devised strategies to promote the local economy, such as ecotourism, modern agriculture, and e-commerce.

Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty.

The Chinese government cannot be as awful as the Western media portrays it if it consistently prioritizes the well-being of its people and treats its most vulnerable citizens with dignity and compassion.

[Picture 1: Meng Xuantai, age 8, and his brother have to traverse muddy mountain hikes and climb a wooden ladder to get to school. 2012. Photo by Xinhua]

[Picture 2: Meng Xuantai holds a piece of paper on which he scribbled, "I want to work so I can support my parents." 2014. Photo by Xinhua]

[Picture 3: Meng Xuantai (Left 1) and his family are now living in a new apartment, and their lives are improving. 2021. Photo by Xinhua]

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:58

China has cleaned rivers and lakes throughout the country to create a greener nation for its people.

Through the creation of a river-chief system and numerous hotlines for reporting pollution, along with considerable investment in action items nationwide, water, air and land is cleaner than in half a century.

#China #environment

https://x.com/ShangguanJiewen/status/1841329520739078452

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 04:59

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Ravenlocke

23rd January 2025, 05:02

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Incredible progress in environment in China.

Major Chinese cities don’t even appear in the top 400 most polluted cities in the world (2022 ranking).

https://iqair.com/in-en/world-most-polluted-cities

Beijing: #489

Shanghai: #678

Guangzhou: #920

Shenzhen: #1533

How did China reduce pollution?

Electric cars, solar/wind energy, natural gas are the three main reasons.

#RenewableEnergy

https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1665692338369499136

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ThePythonicCow

23rd January 2025, 05:20

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For those interested in understanding China better, I recommend the Youtube channel Lei's Real Talk (https://www.youtube.com/@LeisRealTalk). As best I can figure (having no expertise there myself), Lei (pronounced as in the English word "lay") understands the Chinese people and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and their various, current, ongoing struggles quite well.

onawah

23rd January 2025, 06:34

Agreed. Lei's Real Talk is another of the youtube channels that I featured often on the Turmoil in China thread. Her videos are usually a lot longer than those from the list of other sources I have referenced for info about China and the CCP, but for those with the patience, she is generally worth listening to.

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For those interested in understanding China better, I recommend the Youtube channel Lei's Real Talk (https://www.youtube.com/@LeisRealTalk). As best I can figure (having no expertise there myself), Lei (pronounced as in the English word "lay") understands the Chinese people and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and their various, current, ongoing struggles quite well.

onawah

23rd January 2025, 06:48

I count 21 posts from Ravenlocke on this thread which just started yesterday, out of 36 posts in total so far.
Amazing how just one person can read through so many articles, watch so many videos and make so many posts in just one day! :rolleyes:
But that's not all--in total there were 42 posts made by Ravenlocke just yesterday, and many of them containing more than just one long article or video.
(I'm guessing only a phenomonally accomplished speed reader would be able to do this and stay within the guideline rules for members about posting only information which we have examined thoroughly ourselves.
I wonder if anyone has ever kept score on the record number of posts made in one day by one Avalonian, or the amount of space taken up...)
Which leads me to believe I will not be posting on this thread as I could not possibly keep up. :ohwell:
Hopefully my Turmoil in China thread will have some effect after all, if only in retrospect....
I feel my retirement looming...:yawn:

Jim_Duyer

23rd January 2025, 16:02

Trump is in the process of containing China and helping our citizens at the same time. He is proposing doing away with the IRS and instead imposing tariffs, designed to equal the playing field and protect American business at the same time. That's his job - protecting us over other countries.
China exports a gadget that is made using, supposedly, about 25 cents per hour wages, based on the price that they can sell it at, after paying long-distance shipping costs. The truth is that they are holding up their exports by selling in select markets at under what the item costs in real terms to build - that is, of course, if your idea of an average Chinese wage of $800 or so per month is not pure bull, which I suspect it is.

Here's the truth. Look at History for the answers. How did Japan conquer and hold a nation with ten times its population so easily? By finding thousands of Quislings who would sell out their own country for a few bucks - from Military Generals to Political leaders on down. They were so quick to take the money that the Japanese had to select only the top ones out of the applicants. That's just how much those traitors liked their own China. So what happened? China learned.

They learned that the Democratic party is very quick to turn Quislings as well - and if money won't do it, providing them with wives will. Examine the money flow from China to Fauci, Biden, his cronies, Pelosi's husband, and a score of those in Congress. They practically whored themselves out in their race to become Quislings and traitors. In fact, they even turned a blind eyes when the ChiComms bought up lands in America and snuck military folks across the open borders. They also allowed ChiComm "secretaries" to steal information and trade secrets as fast as they could upload them.

So the ChiComms can learn, I will give them that.
Those times are fast coming to an end. Thank goodness.

So to the crew of ten-twelve who are making money by pretending to be Ravenlocke, best of luck to you. But it won't wash with those that have eyes that see.

Jim_Duyer

23rd January 2025, 16:11

China - let's hire thousands of students and watch them carefully. Then we go online and verbally vomit against everything American. It cost so much less than any other form of propaganda and the ill-educated masses are so quick to gobble up our lies. If anyone points out the truth, we cry racism - that seems to work quite well. But don't let anyone know how we treat those same gender fluid readers if they should come to our country, and pray that someone with two brain cells doesn't discover that we are a "manufacturing genius" because we pour more smoke in the air than any other countries combined, and our genius comes from stealing the ideas of others and making them cheaper - who cares how long they last if we make some quick money on it.
If all else fails we just close the company and open up under a new name - none of those round eyes can tell us apart anyway.

Jim_Duyer

23rd January 2025, 18:38

Certainly not the major manufacturers, but for sure some of the smaller producers of merchandise in China are able to provide them at such lower prices because of one simple trick. The employees of a large, foreign factory, aided by the local security guards, enter the factory at night and run off a few hundred copies and take them home. They then sell these at a lower price because they actually paid nothing for it. And of course there is the fact that they acknowledge no international copyright laws or at least refuse to enforce them, allowing stolen books, music, and other items to be sold for pennies on the dollar.

Bill Ryan

23rd January 2025, 19:09

shaberon

23rd January 2025, 21:33

The hundreds of YouTube comments are very interesting too, almost unanimously agreeing with Neil that the western media portrayal of China is deeply flawed and misleading, to put it politely. The comments really do appear to be from real people, also describing their personal experiences in quite some detail. They're well worth reading.

It's 2,500 comments in three days.

We have no Chinese posting here, or hardly anyone who has gotten a close look at it.

One notices many of the slanders are "projections", that is, to take our own problems and try to make it look like someone else is doing it. Hence, comparatively, the homeland of censorship and mind control is the UK. That's what most of those people were able to determine in about five minutes. Of course, the UK response would be to tell us those comments are all shills, Rule Britannia. Since we know this knee-jerk response could be programmed into the brain of a monkey, it may be overlooked.

Yes, of course, the establishment has got itself in a bind by basically "sending" General Motors, and, I have no idea how many companies, into China, because American workers wanted viable wages. It's been replaced here with nothing, and there, it has outgrown control. And just look at how the headquarters turned up on Isle of Man or similar British protectorate. Pencil pushers.

Compared to that huge mass of comments, I'll just say that in the past few months, a small number of Chinese have not only been "friendlier" to me, but also more "colorful" or "alive" inside themselves, than a large number of Americans.

onawah

23rd January 2025, 22:34

Yes, very interesting Bill, the way the CCP is spreading lots and lots of money around to shills who are willing to testify about how great and wonderful and spotless things are in China, and how the people are so well off, even in the rural areas.
They might even see some happy looking Uyghurs who are forced to smile and dance and perform for tourists, for if they don't they know only too well what the CCP will do to them.
But of course, the tourists are only allowed now in certain areas which are well prepared to put a good face on it, and pretend that they are welcome and well-liked, when in fact even the elementary school children are taught how to hate and attack with weaponry imaginary Americans and Japanese in particular.
You might think that that kind of thing is actually just American anti-Chinese propaganda, but when such things are actually caught on video and shown on youtube channels like "The China Show" it gets kind of tricky.
Especially the videos showing the special vans now that patrol the streets in China looking for victims they can kidnap, drug and slaughter for parts to be sold for organ replacement.
Or the videos showing the filthy streets strewn with garbage and full of the homeless, and filthy skies from all the coal burning, and shorelines that have been poisoned with untreated waste from nuclear plants.
Or the videos showing miles and miles of junked electric cars and bikes piled up and rusting away for years on end.
Or the miles and miles of dead foliage that are sprayed green to make it look from the air like the plants and trees are actually alive.
Or the fields of metal spikes stuck in the ground with metal "flowers" attached to make it look from the air like they are fields of wildflowers.
Or the hoards of crazed survivors of the Cultural Revolution who will vie tooth and nail for any kind of free or discounted anything that isn't tied down, shoving and trampling each other and anyone else who gets in the way.
Or the hospitals and cremetoriams so full of the sick and dying that they can barely function.
Or the dams and highways and buildings that are built so poorly that they fall apart soon after they are completed.
Or the hundreds of thousands of nearly completed apartment buildings that stand empty because it's cheaper not to complete them, but continue to charge those who are paying mortgages on them, hoping someday to be able to move in (though they begin crumbling to dust way before that can ever happen.)
Or the countless number of fires and explosions that occur daily because safety measures are rarely put in place, and the fire hydrants are actually not hooked up to any water supply, but put in place just for show.
Or the rising crowds of Chinese people who see now they have nothing to lose and are beginning to protest and riot or the hordes of police who beat them into submission.
Or the countless apathetic young academic graduates who are "lying flat", living off their parents on living homeless on the streets because there are no jobs.
Or the videos of Chinese tourists in other countries who behave so badly, with such disrespect, showing what contempt with which they have been educated to regard other nations and races.
It's all about saving face for the CCP, and that will continue to be the case until people really start taking a closer look.
The CCP might actually start trying to make some improvements if enough people begin to realize the truth, but it's so much easier to just lie and lie and spread propaganda to make it look like things are actually great in China.

This is a fascinating personal video, just 29 minutes long. Neil McCoy-Ward, who is English, travels all over the world with his American wife, and shares their first-hand experiences on his channel. In this new video, he describes their very first visit to China.

(The video title says he was 'shocked'. That's a little clickbait-y, because what he really was was surprised and impressed.)

Interestingly, he's made a connection with Alex from Reporterfy, who lives in China himself and has appeared several times with Alexander Mercouris on The Duran. Some readers may recognize the name.

Two of the many things worth noting are that Neil swears

That he's not paid by anyone and is not a shill or propagandist of any kind;

That he asked a number of people he encountered about the Chinese Social Credit Score system, and no-one he spoke to knew anything about it.
(He speculates that it might be something run in maybe just one city in China as an experiment, or alternatively that it's just all western propaganda. He confesses that it was a mystery to him.)

For the record, I'm personally convinced that Neil is describing 100% accurately exactly what he experienced there.

I went to CHINA... and I was SHOCKED by the Experience!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrwf1OaHRDw

Edit to add:

The hundreds of YouTube comments are very interesting too, almost unanimously agreeing with Neil that the western media portrayal of China is deeply flawed and misleading, to put it politely. The comments really do appear to be from real people, also describing their personal experiences in quite some detail. They're well worth reading.

Yes, exactly what "White Monkeys" are spreading and have been for a long time (ie shills paid by the CCP to spread propaganda about how great things are in China). You can expect to see more and more of it, as the CCP is not adverse to spending plenty of money on White Monkey propaganda, but very reluctant to spend it on living conditions for average Chinese citizens. There are lots of examples of White Monkey videos from the last 5 years on the Turmoil in China thread, which would have alerted everyone to the truth of this situation had attention been paid. :facepalm: Since few were paying attention, the way has been conveniently paved for more and more of the same from the CCP now.

Isserley

23rd January 2025, 23:41

Here is a somewhat second-hand experience (and politically incorrect view) - my ex's brother studied microbiology in Wuhan from 2005 after which he continued to work there to this day as a professor at the Lanzhou College of Ecology.

We haven't been in contact for a long time, but when we were, he shared his impressions of China in an interesting way. He often complained about the unhygienic nature of people and public spaces, squatters, overcrowded trains, very bad organization of everything... extremely bad beer watered down to the point of being undrinkable, which is not necessarily bad for the Chinese as they have a bad tolerance for alcohol. He used to say about people that they have the character of calm, listless cattle.
He also mentioned the huge bureaucratic-military apparatus in charge of managing everything but in particular the border crossings. All subordinate to leaving the impression of a serious, big country that takes the border and especially itself, very seriously.
These were mostly his subjective impressions from student days, so we didn't talk much about politics and now, almost 20 years later, things could be different.
Only the fact is that he still lives there, so I guess its not that bad.

His quote: "Falling in love with Wuhan is a bit like falling in love with…hm…not particularly attractive woman…person….well, ok, very unattractive woman……hell......it’s like falling in love with the ugliest woman in the world……..amazing! Complete absence of outer beauty relieves one of any doubt that your senses might be blinding and playing games with you. And then there is that peculiar moment when your perception magically changes and the raw, genuine, sincere beauty, very few seem to be able to see, hits you right in the guts and shatters your world to pieces."

shaberon

24th January 2025, 04:17

This is not propaganda -- it's a report (https://sputnikglobe.com/20250120/us-has-lost-ground-to-china-in-south-east-asia--malaysian-pm-1121475465.html), which may be a criterion of "truth":

As chair of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in 2025, Malaysia is determined to promote closer ties with Russia, Malaysian Minister of Agriculture and Food Security Mohamad Sabu told Sputnik late last year.

The US is so focused on the proxy war in Ukraine that it has has lost sight towards Asia, Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim told the Financial Times.

“Maybe they are focused on Europe, I don’t know. But certainly, they have reduced placing importance [on the region] other than general foreign policy statements,” Anwar said.

Washington's neglect of its relationship with ASEAN has led to the US losing ground to China in south-east Asia, he argued.

“We engage well with the US but it does not engage the region as actively as it did in the past. China in that sense takes a more positive attitude,” said the PM.

He pointed to a series of visits by senior Chinese government figures to Malaysia, which formally takes over the annually rotating chairmanship of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) this year.

“They give better access, you can meet them easily. We send ministers there, they send ministers,” Anwar said.

He defended the decision by regional nations like his country to engage constructively with China — and welcomed increased Chinese investment in infrastructure.

“It’s better for smaller economies such as Malaysia to extend its [ties] with China,” Anwar said.

The leader rejected the notion that ASEAN needed to be “tough” with China under Malaysia’s chairmanship.

“Why do we need to be tough? We disagree on many foreign policy issues with the US but we want them to be an important ally," Anwar said. "With China, I don’t think it’s a matter of being tough against a strong, big neighbor.”

The PM played down concerns over Donald Trump’s planned trade tariffs, convinced that “reason will probably prevail.”

“There are too many US conglomerates and companies that have so much interest in and dependence on foreign trade and investments,” Anwar said.

Malaysia will also seek to "maintain close relations with Russia" during its ASEAN chairmanship, Minister of Agriculture and Food Security Mohamad Sabu told Sputnik late last year.

Malaysia and Russia have "very strong relations, including in defense," the minister added.

Bill Ryan

24th January 2025, 08:26

Yes, very interesting Bill, the way the CCP is spreading lots and lots of money around to shills who are willing to testify about how great and wonderful and spotless things are in China, and how the people are so well off, even in the rural areas. I doubt that Neil McCoy-Ward is any kind of shill. One of his other videos was posted by norman (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112020-Strategic-Relocation&p=1651574&viewfull=1#post1651574) on the Strategic Relocation thread, when he visited the Thai island of Koh Samui, which I know very well. I replied on the thread that everything he reported in his video was 100% accurate from my own personal experience.

Did you watch the video of his visit to China? (https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xrwf1OaHRDw) :heart: I found it really very interesting, and as best I could tell it was completely sincerely reported.

norman

24th January 2025, 09:54

Yes, very interesting Bill, the way the CCP is spreading lots and lots of money around to shills who are willing to testify about how great and wonderful and spotless things are in China, and how the people are so well off, even in the rural areas. I doubt that Neil McCoy-Ward is any kind of shill. One of his other videos was posted by norman (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112020-Strategic-Relocation&p=1651574&viewfull=1#post1651574) on the Strategic Relocation thread, when he visited the Thai island of Koh Samui, which I know very well. I replied on the thread that everything he reported in his video was 100% accurate from my own personal experience.

Did you watch the video of his visit to China? (https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xrwf1OaHRDw) :heart: I found it really very interesting, and as best I could tell it was completely sincerely reported.

No, they are 2 different people.

From Bill:
Thanks! My bad :facepalm: :)

Johnnycomelately

24th January 2025, 12:34

This is a fascinating personal video, just 29 minutes long. Neil McCoy-Ward, who is English, travels all over the world with his American wife, and shares their first-hand experiences on his channel. In this new video, he describes their very first visit to China.

(The video title says he was 'shocked'. That's a little clickbait-y, because what he really was was surprised and impressed.)

Interestingly, he's made a connection with Alex from Reporterfy, who lives in China himself and has appeared several times with Alexander Mercouris on The Duran. Some readers may recognize the name.

Two of the many things worth noting are that Neil swears

That he's not paid by anyone and is not a shill or propagandist of any kind;

That he asked a number of people he encountered about the Chinese Social Credit Score system, and no-one he spoke to knew anything about it.
(He speculates that it might be something run in maybe just one city in China as an experiment, or alternatively that it's just all western propaganda. He confesses that it was a mystery to him.)

For the record, I'm personally convinced that Neil is describing 100% accurately exactly what he experienced there.

I went to CHINA... and I was SHOCKED by the Experience!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrwf1OaHRDw

Edit to add:

The hundreds of YouTube comments are very interesting too, almost unanimously agreeing with Neil that the western media portrayal of China is deeply flawed and misleading, to put it politely. The comments really do appear to be from real people, also describing their personal experiences in quite some detail. They're well worth reading.

During Neil’s lengthy chat with Alex from Reporterfy, they both act edgy when a man briefly approaches them from behind, as they sit on (presumably) a public bench. In this talk, it is explained how Neil was invited on this 3-day junket to China by Alex, while in Thailand a bit earlier, where Alex “has a home”. It was also described, and shown in the shoe store clips, how Alex facilitated all of Neil’s purchases. No mention of Neil having paid those sums back.

I only looked at the first pinned comment, by Neil, where he reiterates that he was not paid for this report of his views. Of iirc 14 responses, a third or more question his truthfulness. In that pinned cmnt, he included a link to Alex’s YT chan, which I now have subd+beld. Haven’t watched any of his vids yet, but the thumbnails say chan is China-focused, and on the face of it pro-China.

My current take is that Alex is a kind of freelance handler of prospective “white monkeys”, a kind of glad-handler.

The taxi rides were said to be organized by Alex, and the one that denied knowing about a credit score spoke passable English, which struck me as odd. I dunno, but this one denial doesn’t negate the many reports claiming that that score is a thing, for me.

Title of this thread asks what’s the truth?. Anybody care enough to look into my allegations? If so, thank yous! I’d love to be proven wrong.

Jim_Duyer

24th January 2025, 16:59

HopSan

24th January 2025, 17:57

Thanks all!

I LIVED almost a year here in Finland (forced circumstances, guess)
with a small part of a Thai family.

They were very nice people, but extremely simple -- as I was at age
10. One of them had lived here for many years, but still knew none of
our language.

I spent months trying to explain non-Thai world to them.
They were not interested, they were scared of electricity.

They had their King (since 1000's of years) who just died.
They did not want to say a single bad word of Him.
Not because they were scared, but because he was Their King.

I know nothing of Chinese culture, but it is at least as old as
Thai-culture.

As Thais, Chinese like their way.
And I understand none of it.

onawah

24th January 2025, 20:42

For those not familiar with the term "white monkey" it refers to a person (usually Caucasian, sometimes Black or Indian) who is paid to tell lies about how great things are in China (or North Korea) or (sometimes even celebrities) who take a particular kind of paid commercial job designed to attract a lot of attention from Chinese consumers. But it gets worse...

The Dark Secret Of White Monkey Jobs In China
China Truths
42.8K subscribers
Jun 5, 2023
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More about Chinese disinformation coming from the two guys whose youtube channel "The China Show" has been a frequent feature on the "Turmoil in China" thread. They have both also posted videos on youtube about their experiences working at White Monkey jobs in the early years when they were living and working in China.
Confronting The Men Exposing China’s Lies (ft. Laowhy86 and SerpentZA)
Dropping in Podcast
120K subscribers
221,457 views Apr 28, 2023
"On today's episode Charlie interviews the men behind ‪@ADVChina‬ Winston Sterzel ‪@serpentza‬ and Matthew Tye ‪@laowhy86‬
The duo have both lived in China for over a decade and through their motorcycle vlogs have experienced the country in a truly unique way.
Winston and Matthew give their insights on the state of Chinese affairs, propaganda, de-dollarization, and much more!"
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Do a search on youtube for "White Monkeys" and lots more videos will appear.
Another one from "The China Show" creators:
More Absurd White Monkey Jobs in China
China Fact Chasers
183K subscribers
25K views 2 years ago
"Russian's parading as Brits, dubbed voices to appear more manly, cringe acting jobs and more. These are the White Monkeys in China!"cYTUHlKr_-0

My current take is that Alex is a kind of freelance handler of prospective “white monkeys”, a kind of glad-handler.
Title of this thread asks what’s the truth?. Anybody care enough to look into my allegations? If so, thank yous! I’d love to be proven wrong.

Addressing rumors about the collapse of the dollar, Catherine Austin Fitts in this Solari Report short: uBJ8E99ah7E

Ernie Nemeth

24th January 2025, 21:18

onawah

24th January 2025, 21:29

Michel Leclerc

24th January 2025, 21:33

Commenting on Isserley’s

Here is a somewhat second-hand experience (and politically incorrect view) - my ex's brother studied microbiology in Wuhan from 2005 after which he continued to work there to this day as a professor at the Lanzhou College of Ecology.

Thank you Isserley. I like your ex’s brother’s last sentence a lot.
A comment on life, really.

Maybe you should get in touch with him again.
Thanks to PA, he is famous now.

Strat

24th January 2025, 22:01

ThePythonicCow

24th January 2025, 22:02

For the record, I'm personally convinced that Neil is describing 100% accurately exactly what he experienced there.

... yup, but unfortunately, more in line with Johnny's comments, I came away immediately convinced that what Neil experienced there was totally and deliberately staged, like The Truman Show.

I trust Lei's Real Talk far more.

onawah

24th January 2025, 23:04

I think the "China Show" guys both of whom and travelled and worked all over China for over a decade, had the same kind of experience.
Although they saw first hand the great harm the Communisit Party has done to China during and after the Cultural Revolution, they were still struck with the beauty of the countryside and the enduring strength of the people, even under conditions of severe hardship imposed on them by the CCP.
That's probably the main reason they have persisted posting faithfully on their various threads and sharing their experience for so many years.

Commenting on Isserley’s

Here is a somewhat second-hand experience (and politically incorrect view) - my ex's brother studied microbiology in Wuhan from 2005 after which he continued to work there to this day as a professor at the Lanzhou College of Ecology.

Thank you Isserley. I like your ex’s brother’s last sentence a lot.
A comment on life, really.

Maybe you should get in touch with him again.
Thanks to PA, he is famous now.

Ravenlocke

25th January 2025, 00:50

Why the US Government hate China
Scott Ritter interview with Carl Zia
And Alex Reporterfy

Carl Zha and ‪@Reporterfy‬ talk to Scott Ritter about why US government elite hate China's Belt and Road Initiative which builds connectivity throughout the world. How US gov has successfully spread anti-China propaganda among American population.

-I5K_O9DXSc

onawah

25th January 2025, 06:47

Here is this week's episode of "The China Show".
These two guys spent over a decade each working and travelling all over China until it became too dangerous for them to stay, and now they both live in the US (Matt is American, Winston is from South Africa).
They make a point of exposing what the CCP is up to, interspersed with their own commentary and experiences (and silly entertainment at times, to keep it light).
They are both married to Chinese women they met in China and still have contacts in China who help them to stay informed as to what is going on there, and they stay abreast of news coming from other media sources (there is a list on their youtube page).
Considering how the CCP censors anything they don't want to be out there, imho they are doing a pretty good job of exposing the CCP, the propaganda in particular.
The subject matter is often backed up with videos that were obviously taken in China.
Though I think they are still naive about what nefariousness the US Deep State is up to, I have to agree with them that in comparison, daily reality for the vast majority of the Chinese people (though not so much for the wealthy) is a lot more dystopian than reality in the US (so far, at least).
Of course, it's not just these guys who have been exposing that dystopian reality over years past.
Many more examples from various sources have been posted over the past 5 years on the "Turmoil in China" thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111363-Turmoil-in-China

The China Show Episode #247
332K Subscribers
1/25/25

"There's an insane amount of fake AI content about the fires in Los Angeles, and it looks like China is spreading them around the internet for its own twisted goals."

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Michel Leclerc

25th January 2025, 12:11

Mark (Star Mariner)

25th January 2025, 13:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrwf1OaHRDw

A fascinating watch, very much enjoyed it.

This Chinese vehicle and drone innovation was especially fascinating.

54365

I spent half an hour dithering around with Google trying to find more information. Just the manufacturer would have been a start. Tried many search terms, and got nowhere.

So I uploaded a screenshot to ChatGPT and asked it what it was. Score one for AI -- it answered immediately, and in detail. It identified the Chinese branding as "XPENG", and speculated this was the "XPeng AeroHT" from their flying car division, which it was.

I entered XPeng AeroHT into Youtube, and voila.

Here is the full video for anyone interested.

XPENG AEROHT Modular Flying Car
XPENG AEROHT
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onawah

25th January 2025, 21:15

I would not be a bit surprised if China's XPENG AEROHT Modular Flying Car turns out to be a complete dud, like so much of the CCP's fake technology, plans stolen or copied for the most part from foreign countries, made to look great but not manufactured correctly so that in actuality, don't work anything like they should when they are made in China.

Ravenlocke

25th January 2025, 22:47

Thank you Michelle and Exomatrix, that is the question I ask as well.

Chère amie Ravenlocke, je ne m’appelle pas Michelle mais Michel.

Dear friend (in French the feminine form of “ami”), my name is not Michelle but Michel.

Contrary to the myth that angels are neutered, which is wrong of course, archangels are actually quite potent beings.

As for the angels being un-neutered, may I refer to the great French philosopher and utopist Charles Fourier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fourier), who in his Le Nouveau Monde Amoureux (The New Amorous World or The New World in Love), a little bit Swedenborg-like,but sexier!, proposes a world organised around hierarchies of anges (male angels) and angesses (female angels): angels and angelesses?

Are you an angeless, Ravenlocke?

Dear Michel,

Je suis vraiment désolé. Je ne voulait pas te faire de mal.:facepalm:

Je comprend un peux de français, j’etudié le francais à l’école très longtemps.

but my computer has a mind of its own and runs away with my spelling before I can catch it sometimes.

Please forgive me for that big Faux Pas with your name.:facepalm:

I would say I’m feminist rather than angeless (angesse):waving:

Thank you for bringing up Charles Fourier, I like the Wikipedia’s description of him.

onawah

26th January 2025, 05:19

Just a few of the more recent, numerous examples of China stealing and/or copying tech from other countries, or corrupt CCP official sponsoring the development of inferior tech simply for their own profit:

China Fabricated J-20 Dogfight With U.S. Jets Ridiculed; Chief Designer Ousted
China Observer
558K subscribers
Jan 24, 2025
"In recent years, corruption scandals involving the Chinese military and defense industry have come to light, with AVIC, a major producer of fighter jets, being hit especially hard. Following the dismissal of AVIC’s former chairman Tan Ruisong in August last year, the company’s general manager Hao Zhaoping and deputy general manager Yang Wei were removed from their positions on January 18. Yang Wei, known as the “Father of the J-20,” was its chief designer."
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Military-Linked China Firm Found Guilty: Stealing Motorola Intel
China in Focus - NTD
751K subscribers
19,842 views Premiered Jan 17, 2025
A Chinese company linked to Beijing's military pleads guilty to stealing key technology from Motorola. We look at the concerns around the stealing.

China’s Poor Weapon Quality:Drone Crashes, Submarine, Jet, Missile Export Orders Frequently Canceled
China Observer
558K subscribers
8 months ago
"The sustained decline in Chinese arms exports highlights significant gaps in quality, performance, and after-sales service compared to Western competitors. Chinese arms often suffer from frequent malfunctions and poor service, tarnishing their reputation."

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Following is a partial list of youtube channels that regularly report on current conditions in China.
Just a glance at each will show how many and how current such reports are and the number of subjects covered.
The addition of interviews and videos taken right in China etc. to the reports themselves clearly demonstrate they are not simply propaganda
China in Focus:https://www.youtube.com/@ChinainFocusNTD
China Observer: https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaObserver0
Decoding China: https://www.youtube.com/@DecodingChina-News
China Truths: https://www.youtube.com/@chinatruths
Lei's Real Talk: https://www.youtube.com/@LeisRealTalk
China Unscripted: https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaUnscripted
China Insights: https://www.youtube.com/@chinainsights_channel
China Fact Chasers: https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaFactChasers
laowhy86:https://www.youtube.com/@laowhy86
Serpentza:https://www.youtube.com/@serpentza
The China Show:https://www.youtube.com/@TheChinaShow

Here's an example showing Chinese elementary school children (not just in China) being taught to hate and practice using weaponry in combat against other nations.
Something which most people would probably never believe is actually happening, but the video (one of many) is clear evidence:
China Is Training U.S. KIDS to Be Little Soldiers for China. Here's HOW!
China Insights
366K subscribers
Premiered Dec 6, 2024

"What are Chinese kids learning in schools that makes them so passionate about taking over America? And how are American kids and other kids around the world getting caught up in the CCP’s education trap to turn them into overseas agents for the Party? Welcome to China Insights.
Our videos are hosted by real people with real China experience and access to real insights happening in China today. No bots here!"
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Ernie Nemeth

26th January 2025, 17:09

Ernie, I really wish I had not been proven right about this sort of thing so many times in the past.
I would like nothing better than that the forum were never subject to any kind of doubtful information or practices.
And I don't particularly enjoy serving as a kind of watchdog here, but if the members don't pitch in, the Mods get overwhelmed.
If you think I am the only member who has similar concerns, you would be wrong.

The resident gaslighter strikes again...
Another thread rendered biased
and unbalanced

I got you Natalie. You're not alone.

Unfortunately, the rampant propaganda in our world is hard to resist or to defend against. It takes 24/7 awareness. It requires real-time constant repudiation or else the lies accumulate in the sub-conscious - meaning that the lies work on the part of us that is not under our direct control. Nice thoughts, good intentions, even occasional smudging of the environment, is not enough to counter the programming. It has to be done continuously, all day, every day. Every time propaganda arrives at your eyes, or ears, or in your thoughts, it must be immediately corrected - it cannot be ignored or down-played. People might consider you negative for maintaining a constant vigilance of counter arguments and corrective internal monologue but it is the price one must pay for a clear mind and a free soaring spirit.
I cannot be mind-controlled.
You can do it too.

Strat

26th January 2025, 18:03

Ernie Nemeth

26th January 2025, 18:10

Bill Ryan

26th January 2025, 19:45

Poor little Strat. Sorry about your problems. It's okay, I don't measure my worth in your terms.

To hate is easy...
remember a few years back, it's all good

love given, love taken away
it is part of the human condition
I'll survive.

But, the feeling is not mutual.
Have a good day.

A useful reference may be this Avalon thread, which I posted a couple of years ago under The Human Condition: (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?178-The-Human-Condition)

Social media discussion rarely changes anyone's minds. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120133-Social-media-discussion-rarely-changes-anyone-s-minds.&highlight=minds)

I'm very disappointed. I'd started this thread because I genuinely didn't know exactly what to think about China.

I thought I might learn something myself that I could rely on, and could count on the members to help figure this all out in a dispassionate way — just as we all did so very well about covid, ivermectin, Ukraine, Russia/Putin, and many other topics fueled by media propaganda at every level.

But no, that's not going to happen here. We'll keep the thread open, but I'll no longer be reading this thread or posting on it. It just doesn't seem worth the trouble.

:focus:

Ravenlocke

26th January 2025, 19:55

https://x.com/angeloinchina/status/1883374166684139957

1883374166684139957

Ravenlocke

26th January 2025, 19:57

https://x.com/ShangguanJiewen/status/1883435489170169961

1883435489170169961

onawah

27th January 2025, 22:35

Pleasant or realistic...your choice....

The other factor at play, though certainly less pleasant to consider, is that things have radically changed in China since 2012 when XiJinping became the ruler.
And since visitors to China now are much more restricted, personal accounts of visits there since then will not really reflect present conditions realistically.

Mod note from Bill:
If you've not been to China, please don't post on this thread. :heart:

The reason I started this new thread was to see if we could collect some propaganda-free direct personal experiences from sources I felt we could absolutely trust — i.e. Avalon members who have been there.

At the moment, though the thread is only a few days old, I'm feeling I'm learning more about China from these extremely interesting posts than from any of the other China threads, which often feature articles, tweets or videos from people with strong opinions, or posted strong opinions from members themselves.

The factor at play here is that while we are all entitled to our opinions (and to express them!), opinions — about anything at all — that aren't based on some degree of personal experience may have slightly less value.

https://x.com/ShangguanJiewen/status/1883435489170169961

1883435489170169961

Hmmmm....I wonder where the invasion of Tibet factors into that assessment and the CCP's ongoing oppression of Tibetans....:rolleyes:
I suppose the brutal war on the Uyghur people by the CCP within China's own borders doesn't count for anything either.

Isserley

28th January 2025, 22:35

Chinese Firms at the Center of Serbia’s Political Crisis

The collapse of Serbia’s Novi Sad train station roof last month killed 15 people and severely injured two others, igniting weeks-long, nationwide protests against government corruption that is widely perceived to be at the root of the tragedy. In the middle of the fray are two Chinese companies that were involved in recent renovations at the train station, which is a key stop along the Chinese-built Budapest-Belgrade Railway. Given the Serbian government’s enthusiastic embrace of Chinese investment under the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and the general lack of transparency surrounding Chinese contracts, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic and China’s ties with Serbia are now under pressure, especially given Vucic’s refusal to publicly release all contracts related to work at the train station. On Thursday, Jens Kastner at Nikkei Asia reported on the possible extent of Chinese companies’ responsibility for the incident:

Notably missing is the contract the government signed with China Railway International Co. (CRIC) and China Communications Construction Co. (CCCC) on May 28, 2018, for all the work from Novi Sad to Kelebija, a village on the border with Hungary, according to the NGO [Transparency Serbia].

The Novi Sad train station renovation was led by the two Chinese companies, which denied working on the canopy, saying it was constructed at the same time as the old station building. But footage on Serbian social media accounts suggest the collapse was caused by heavy glass recently installed on the canopy.

their role is to serve as an umbrella contractor under a special agreement between Serbia and China that has confidentialitA Serbian civil engineer told Nikkei Asia that, legally, CRIC and CCCC may be right in their claim of not having carried out the work themselves, as their role is to serve as an umbrella contractor under a special agreement between Serbia and China that has confidentiality clauses for almost all contract articles.

[…] While the Chinese companies may not have conducted any work themselves on the canopy, they bear responsibility for subcontractors they use. [Source]
In late November, Serbia’s construction minister and the director of Serbia’s state-run railway company were among 11 people arrested over the train station collapse. Both of them stepped down, but other top leaders such as Prime Minister Milos Vucevic, who was mayor of Novi Sad when construction started at the train station, remain in their posts. Days after the arrests, scuffles broke out in the Serbian parliament after opposition legislators raised banners accusing the ruling coalition of trying to shirk responsibility for the train station collapse. Over the past six weeks, students have occupied over 40 universities in Serbia in support of the anti-corruption movement, and the government announced early winter holidays to curtail protests.

Nemanja Nenadic, Director of Transparency Serbia, told France24: “We are confronted with situations where the government directly violates anti-corruption rules. It calls them ‘Projects of National Importance,’ so no minister, neither the prime minister nor the president, would be sanctioned, even if they signed a contract with a company without competition or a tender, even for a contract worth a billion euros.” Serbia and China typically negotiate agreements on a government level without outside bidders, which leaves questions regarding quality, safety and financial sustainability. In a People’s Daily feature from May about China and Serbia deepening infrastructure cooperation, an “experienced engineer from Serbia” who has “supervised road construction projects for many foreign companies” said that the work done by Chinese builders is “more efficient.” But Milica Stojanovic at Balkan Insight described how these particularities of Chinese partnerships do not necessarily benefit the Serbian public:

Yet when local Novi Sad broadcaster Radio 021 asked Serbia’s construction ministry in January to see the contract for the renovation, the ministry responded that the Chinese partner “does not agree that any data from the contract and related to the contract should be provided to third parties before the end of the project, that is, before receiving a certificate of a job well done”.

Chinese investment in the Balkans has long been dogged by concerns over corruption, labour rights, environmental neglect and so-called debt-trap diplomacy in which China builds influence over indebted states. Serbia, for example, owes Export-Import Bank of China 2.75 billion euros for a total of 14 projects, plus a further 104.6 million to the Hungarian branch of Bank of China.

Ivana Karaskova, China Research Fellow at the Prague-based Association for International Affairs, AMO, said that if such deals lack transparency, “then probably the conditions are not very favourable for the local populations”. [Source]
On Friday, Serbian Foreign Minister Marko Djuric traveled to Tianjin to meet his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi, who according to a China Daily readout “welcomed Serbia to ride the ‘express train’ of China’s development and work together to achieve modernization.” Several days after November’s incident, Chinese Premier Li Qiang met with Serbian Prime Minister Milos Vucevic in Shanghai and said, “It is hoped that Serbia will continue to provide a sound business environment for Chinese enterprises to invest and do business in Serbia.” In May, Xi Jinping visited Serbia during his first trip to Europe in five years and received a red-carpet welcome. Serbia’s growing relationship with China has complicated its prospects for E.U. integration, as Douglas Brenton Anderson wrote this month for European Guanxi.

https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2024/12/chinese-firms-at-the-center-of-serbias-political-crisis/?amp

onawah

28th January 2025, 22:42

That situation in Serbia is just one of many similar incidents with other countries that regrettably signed on with the Belt and Road Initiative.

marielle

28th January 2025, 23:23

jaybee

29th January 2025, 00:16

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hold onto your hats..... I don't know if this (video link below) belongs in this thread or another thread - but I'll put it here for now... propaganda or not....oh I don't know.... but suddenly everything seems to be hotting up regarding China v America regarding AI dominance and the recent release of China's Deep Seek AI Model...

Mike Adams is on fire - ranting and pounding into - slamming into the West's 'Wokeism' and the threat it poses to the actual survival OF the West -

I've listened to the first hour but I've had to have a rest...

And listening to Mike I had to wonder if this is part of the Globalist's master plan - that they have done a deal with China...

The 21st Century is already labelled as the Chinese Century (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Century#:~:text=The%20Chinese%20Century%20(simplified%20Chinese,20th%20century%20and%20the%2 0%22British) ....

Mike Adams is sounding a warning but at the same time saying it may already be too late (gulp)... he's saying what needs to happen but can Trump do enough in the time he has to stop a terminal decline in the West - and it is being said that the Stargate AI Project thing isn't going to do the trick...

Mike is stressing that if China achieves 'Super Intelligence' soon which he thinks looks possible (likely)... well that's going to be extremely significant globally -

You have to ask... what exactly did the Globalist Elite think was going to happen if you abandon meritocracy and stick lower IQ people into positions of power + influence... (aka the 'woke' and Joe Biden being the most obvious example of woke enabling from the top job) -

Brighteon Broadcast News, Jan 28, 2025 – America will LOSE to China in the AI wars because WOKE IDIOCY and CENSORSHIP killed innovation (2:56:01)

https://www.brighteon.com/d279c67a-8bc5-4960-bcfd-6cacee0e82bb

(it wouldn't embed so anyone interested can go to link above...)

onawah

29th January 2025, 01:34

Does anyone think this is anti-CCP propaganda? The story was largely covered by the BBC, also Wall Street Journal.
Just FYI, the 3 Gorges Dam was also built on an earthquake fault, as many dams built by the CCP are.

Tibet Quake Cracks 5 Dams! Big Dams Could Induce Further Quakes, Domino Effect on Three Gorges Dam
China Observer
559K subscribers
Jan 26, 2025

"On January 7 this year, a 6.8-magnitude earthquake struck Tingri County in Shigatse, Tibet, resulting in at least 126 deaths.
After the earthquake, Liu Jing, a reporter from CCTV, visited the scene. She discovered cracks in the dam of Cuoguo Reservoir in Tingri County."

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Moemers

29th January 2025, 15:46

Did Deep Seek kill Suchir Balaji to get the training data to crash the market? George Webb thinks so and he blamed Deep Seek 3 weeks ago for the murder:

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If George is correct, then the US is at war.

Wow.

I don't have a twitter account...does anyone know where we can find that whole video presentation? Probably a must see.

RunningDeer

30th January 2025, 13:17

Wow.

I don't have a twitter account...does anyone know where we can find that whole video presentation? Probably a must see.
I believe this is the episode, Moemers. If not, I've included the George Webb link on Rumble.

AI Warfare With Deep Seek Labs Live California Fire Exercise

January 9, 2024
georgewebb (https://rumble.com/user/georgewebb)
Source (https://rumble.com/embed/v65hl0m/?pub=8y5b7)

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onawah

7th June 2025, 09:38

China Terrified of Trump vs. Elon + Chinese Bioweapon in US - Episode #266
+New FACTORY FIRE CHAOS
The China Show
355K subscribers
6/6/25

(Starting at 32 minutes into the video, a list of some of the nefarious and secret attacks from the CCP on the US, from agroterrorism and the Chinese student infiltration of US Universities including Harvard, Stanford and the Univ. of Michigan for the purpose of stealing technology and other vital information for the CCP to be used against the US.
I've copied and edited following segments of transcripts into an easy to read form. Please read if you don't have time to watch the complete videos! We all need to be much more aware of what the CCP is up to!
Also, note the long list of news sources on The China Show youtube page. Those guys have been doing their homework, and they also have their own personal sources living in China.)

"Chinese rebel against the elites, China smuggles bioweapon into the USA, Trump vs. Elon has China twisted in knots, and Chinese people blow up factories across the country!"

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Transcript Section starting at 47 minutes into the video:

" Cash Patel said the case is a sobering reminder that the CCP is working around the clock to deploy operatives and researchers to infiltrate American institutions, & target our food supply which would have grave consequences putting American lives in our economy at serious risk.
I keep hearing news outlets kind of taking the approach of yeah look the bad part is that she's illegally doing research on a dangerous thing in America. F--- your research Let's use common sense. Yeah.
And let's actually treat it as the worst case scenario.
A guy who has CCP ties and a girl who has CCP ties flies over to America with deadly pathogen samples.
Yes. Right. Deadly to crops. If they were doing research you can do that research in America or in China right?
Why would you do clandestine research in America?
Grow it! He said he was going to clone it!
So they want to grow the samples!
Where is Michigan? In the center of in the Midwest. Exactly.
Where are all the crops? In the Midwest. There we go. So they are busy cloning this thing in the middle of where all the crops are.
Easy to distribute it, the thing that kills all of those crops.
How are people not putting this together?
Yeah that's insane to me. And you have conversations between them like "Let's
not be stupid here."
They're acting like they have to pull off one last heist.
This isn't like we're going to crack the code and find out how to kill this fungus and we can save the world.
No they have CCP handlers that are telling them to go over here and cause bioteterrorism.
Also why is a Communist Party member studying, doing research in a lab.
You're supposed to tell on your visa interview "do you have any ties to the Communist Party?' She lied. That's visa fraud.
Right. She lied. You are part of the Communist Party. Yes. You're attached to the Communist Party probably on a mission to destroy my country.
I take that personally. I'm very happy they caught this. How many more do we have to deal with because guess what?
This is tied to so much at the University of Michigan that we've uncovered. Oh we've
found something out about the University of Michigan, and I'd say all universities in America have fallen prey to this.
I don't think one has been left untapped.
If this doesn't open your eyes to the situation I don't know what will."
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(The above is just a sample of what is covered in the video about the CCP's infiltration into and various secret attacks on the US. Much more follows in the rest of the video.)

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In case you don't think The China Show is a reliable source of news:

'FRIGHTENING': FBI says China targeted US food supply in 'agroterrorism' plot
Fox News
13.6M subscribers
709,591 views
Jun 4, 2025

"The ‘Outnumbered’ panel weighs in after Chinese nationals were charged with smuggling a dangerous biological pathogen into the United States."

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You Should Be Terrified of What China Just Did
Laowhy86
5/31/25

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Transcript
"China's making a war command city the size of 10 Pentagons. It'll control nukes and it basically puts a giant target on the USA's back. Well guys, I guess China is really serious about taking us out. Now you guys have been absolutely vocal about wanting me to analyze this massive military city. Yes a freaking city that China is making to basically have military superiority the world over.
'If confirmed this new advanced underground command bunker for the military leadership including President Xi as the chairman of the Central Military Commission signals Beijing's intent to build not only a world-class conventional force but also an advanced nuclear warfighting capability,' said Dennis Wilder the former head of the
China analysis for the CIA.
Nearly 10 times bigger than the Pentagon, it's fitting for Xi Jinping's ambitions to surpass the US. This fortress only serves one purpose, which is to act as a doomsday bunker for China's increasingly sophisticated and capable military guys. I mean it's China-- this is an evil ass government who tells the world that it wants peace and then it gets its psychophants to spread this message that it's some global arbitrator of peace and it just wants global cooperation and friendship everywhere. But meanwhile makes the biggest military command center in the entire world and wants to use it to literally take over the entire world.
This station is for an overt invasion; this is to combat the USA in the future. This is for future war. The problem is people see the military parades, they see this giant huge massive command station, they see the big nuclear silos, they see millions of soldiers in China ready to head into battle. ...And I mean China's got Taiwan encircled. They're cornering the Philippines. I mean they freaking sailed warships near Australia, but the thing is people can only sit around and wonder what will happen, what will be the response when the day comes that China actually invades or attacks or engages the US in warfare?
But here's my problem with this this planning. All these plans give China an out, it gives China an excuse. They get to go through with all these plans and plan for the
future. Plan for future invasion, plan for future attack. The US cannot retaliate
because you can't retaliate against preparations, you can't retaliate or fight back against plans.
China's going full doomsday prepper and making a military command city the size of a thousand football fields and people flip out and feel hopeless because there's no
way that we in the West or in America or our allies in Asia could ever potentially catch up with China. In this case we simply have to wait it out and see what China's going to do, and we can't do anything to fight back because China hasn't actively attacked anything.
Yes, this is the narrative going around but bro I'm sorry to tell you that ship has already sailed, China already did the thing. They already attacked. If you want
to read one of the scariest books you could ever read do yourself a disservice
and read Unrestricted Warfare by Xiaolyang and Wong Xiang Su, two Chinese
People's Liberation Army colonels. They wrote a book and it's not good. In 1999,
in this book they argued that modern warfare should go beyond traditional
military battlefields to include political economic technological psychological societal and cultural domains. They talk about attacking all the stuff that you don't even think about.
26 years ago they wrote this book as a way to persuade the CCP to be something truly insidious and guess what, it worked! Wait till you see which of their predictions came true. First they talk about cyber warfare and espionage. Did China do any of that? Well, how about the OPM hack in 2015? Chinese hackers stole sensitive personal data on over 22 million Americans from the Office of Personnel Management including SF86 security clearance files. How about the cloud hopper operation where Chinese state sponsored hackers infiltrated Cloud service providers like IBM and Hewlet Packer to steal client data globally including from US firms?
How about Salt Typhoon in late 2024? Chinese state sponsored group known as
Salt Typhoon infiltrated major US telecommunications providers including
Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile.
The attackers accessed core network components obtaining metadata of users calls and text messages and in some cases audio recordings.
How about in December 2024 when Chinese stateback hackers breached the US Treasury Department workstations, the actual US government?
How about Volt Typhoon? Another Chinese state sponsored hacking group was implicated in cyber campaigns targeting US critical infrastructure and telecommunications.We're talking water, electricity, the grid, all that.
More, how about the hacker for higher operations in March 2024?
The US Department of Justice indicted seven China based nationals for their involvement in a PRC backed criminal hacking group.
This group targeted US-based critics, businesses and political officials with malicious cyber operations intended to intimidate and silence dissident and steal from their businesses.
This group has been active for 14 years. China's also been exploiting vulnerabilities in software. Like for example in early 2025 multiple statebacked hacking groups from China and with others from North Korea, Iran and Russia, exploited new Windows vulnerabilities and used it for data theft and cyber espionage.
Zeroday attacks: how about when they attacked our healthc care sector?
Remember in mid 2024 ransomware actors attacked the largest payment processor for US healthcare transactions hampering prescriptions, causing extended delays in accessing electronic health records, patient communications and medication ordering
systems.
How about manipulating the economy as they predicted in this book?
Well, China has historically been accused of devaluing the R&B and the UN-- their currency to make its exports cheaper, affecting US trade competitiveness about the control of rare earths.
China controls around 80% of global rare earth exports which are necessary for US defense and tech.
Beijing has repeatedly used this as a geostrategic pressure tool including recently, during the US and China trade disputes. How about intellectual property theft?
Well, US officials estimate that China has stolen hundreds of billions of dollars per year through corporate espionage, especially targeting defense tech and biotech industries.
That's trillions of dollars overall.
How about our beloved academic and scientific research facilities?
Well, those have been infiltrated too. The Thousand Talents Program, a CCP
recruitment campaign offers grants to foreign scientists including Americans
to transfer research and intellectual property to China, usually telling them not to disclose ties.
Not only that; as of 2017 China requires Chinese people no matter where they are in the world to report any and all information to the CCP.
This includes Chinese students abroad.
US prosecutors and researchers at Harvard and the Cleveland Clinic and elsewhere have also exposed covert collaborations with Chinese institutions.
How about SCOP psychological operations information warfare for goodness sakes?TikTok--in a rare case of bipartisanship, Democrats and Republicans both agreed to ban Tik Toc.
We voted on it. Right guys, as Americans we voted on this, we voted our leaders into power and we agreed that Tik Tok should be banned,
Still waiting on that one. Why would Tik Tok need to be banned? It's quite literally a psychological operation in the pockets of hundreds of millions of Americans. Tik Tok has an algorithm that promotes CCP ideals and could potentially be used in a conflict situation to send out disinformation, misinformation and manipulate the opinion of Americans during a wartime scenario.
It is real bad. How about straight up propaganda, especially on US social media Chinese state- linked accounts have run covert influence campaigns on Facebook, X YouTube, all of them.
Really to sway opinion or sew division on sensitive US issues like race, COVID 19, elections, in fact they spend billions of dollars to do this and that's why you have Chinese propaganda all over your feed.
It's why all of a sudden you see non-Chinese people doing tourism through Shinjang where China is committing genocide and telling you that Chongqing is the city of the future and the US is all behind.
It's all tied together. You want to talk about unrestricted warfare? How about the Fentanyl crisis? China's been the main source of Fentanyl precursors used by criminals to get this drug into the US.
This synthetic opioid crisis has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.
Some US officials have even called it a form of asymmetric warfare, intentional or not.
How about biological and health sector ambiguities, how about the CO19 origins debate?
While CO19 was probably not deliberately an act of warfare, the CCP's response certainly was early suppression of outbreak information, silencing of doctors allowing Chinese citizens to travel abroad while locking them down in China and crafting misinformation campaigns.
This has all been seen as a case study in information warfare during a global crisis. They got the WHO to tell the world that CO19 wasn't even contagious for goodness sakes!
Tell me that's not the greatest blueprint for disinformation you've ever heard of.
How about medical supply leverage? In 2020 China mobilized patriotic citizens to go to foreign countries like the USA and hoard PPE and medical supplies during the pandemic to gain strategic advantage over the rest of the world.
Purely sick, twisted and evil tactics if you ask me.
How about maritime and infrastructure penetration port investments?
Chinese companies have acquired stakes in over a dozen ports globally including strategic western locations,
Critics worry about dual use capabilities --we're talking commercial and military; in fact, a lot of countries are going to lose their ports to the BarRi initiative where China will say "We built some of your infrastructure, now you got to give us a port because you can't afford to pay us back."
How about Huawei's 5G infrastructure?
The US and its allies have flagged Huawei as a national security threat due to its potential use for CCP surveillance through telecom's infrastructure.
For goodness sakes. look at the freaking satellites that they just found with those rogue radio communications devices in them.
We're kind of screwed if we don't get away from China.
Here the be all and end all is that China's already invaded and we've done little publicly to do anything about it.
It's time to get serious about this or it's game over so when people ask you what will happen when we go to war with China, guys, we're already at war, it's just that this war doesn't look like the one that your grandpa fought in."

(Starting at 32 minutes into the video, a list of some of the nefarious attacks from the CCP on the US, from agroterrorism to the infiltration of US Universities including Harvard, Stanford and the Univ. of Michigan.)

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ThePythonicCow

7th June 2025, 19:14

(Starting at 32 minutes into the video, a list of some of the nefarious attacks from the CCP on the US, from agroterrorism to the infiltration of US Universities including Harvard, Stanford and the Univ. of Michigan.)

Yes - China is a major player. My guess is that Xi Jinping and his government have been built up and covertly managed by the same globalists as were behind the Bush's, Clinton's, Rockefeller's, and too many others in the U.S. and around the world. These globalist families have been centered in Western Europe for millennia. Those elite bastards, as I like to call them, can take credit for much of the major events, reported and covert, in humanity's history.

China has helped reshape the world's economy, production, elections, medicine, politics, finances, technology, education, ... They've been on a mission in recent decades. It's not a mission I support.

China's President, and their CCP's General Secretary, Xi Jinping, is apparently losing power, and likely health as well. As reported on Youtube channel "Lei's Real Talk", the stresses at the top of China's power pyramid are reaching a breaking point.

(My above response is being posted before listening to the videos you posted above. Hopefully this response ages well, in light of that video content.)

onawah

9th June 2025, 04:15

I purposefully copied and pasted parts of the transcripts from the videos in my last post here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124189-Chinese-and-anti-Chinese-propaganda----what-s-the-truth&p=1671541&viewfull=1#post1671541
...and edited them into a form that is easy to read.
So that anyone who doesn't have time to watch the videos can quickly get a good idea of what news about the threats from China is most critical now.
It doesn't take long to read but it is definitely noteworthy news, and makes it obvious that the situation is becoming very serious.

(Starting at 32 minutes into the video, a list of some of the nefarious attacks from the CCP on the US, from agroterrorism to the infiltration of US Universities including Harvard, Stanford and the Univ. of Michigan.)

(My above response is being posted before listening to the videos you posted above. Hopefully this response ages well, in light of that video content.)

onawah

2nd September 2025, 23:10

China’s Poverty Explosion: 300 Million Jobless, Families Pushed Poverty, Cities Overrun by Homeless.
China Inside
18.6K subscribers
Sep 1, 2025

(The reality of China is much different than the CCP's prodigiously expensive propaganda would have us believe.)

The main content of the program:
0:00 China’s poverty explosion revealed.
0:35 Fragile growth model exposed.
3:21 Jobless youth, collapsing factories, rising homelessness.
8:48 Real estate, job mismatch, state control.
13:33 Human cost, broken families, lost future.
18:32 A nation at breaking point.
19:58 Truths Beijing can’t hide.

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Also:

Three Gorges Dam Nightmare: Cracks Exposed, China on Edge
China Undercover
75.7K subscribers
Aug 27, 2025

(The "disaster clock" is speeding up...)

"In 2025, before China had even entered its official flood season in July, disaster was already sweeping across the nation. From the smoky industrial belts of the north to the farmlands of the south, unrelenting rains merged with swollen rivers, turning what should have been routine monsoon challenges into a nationwide nightmare. The waters didn’t burst in a single wave—they crept forward day after day, tightening their grip until whole provinces were drowning.
By July 4, Chinese officials admitted that 329 rivers had surged past the danger line. But behind this statistic lies a far darker truth: this crisis is not simply nature’s wrath—it’s the result of human arrogance. And at the very heart of it stands the most controversial symbol of modern China—the Three Gorges Dam.
Once glorified as the Communist Party’s ultimate triumph of engineering, the dam is now seen as its Achilles’ heel. When it was inaugurated in 2003, state media boasted that it could withstand a “once-in-a-thousand-year” flood. Later, that promise was quietly downgraded to “once in a century.” Now, as red alerts blare across central China, even that watered-down claim sounds like a cruel joke. The cracks in the illusion—both metaphorical and real—are widening. "

Significant comment, which explains a LOT:
@MichaelRobertson-i8f
1 day ago
I retired from the LADWP in 2016 with the last 17 years spent in the Owen’s Valley as an Electric Station Operator. Back in those days I read an article about damming up the largest river in China, it displaced 150 million people from the areas that were going to be underwater. The One thing was that landfills included not only garbage but China didn’t separate Biological and Nuclear Waste in their landfills and putting them underwater would eventually cause both the nuclear and biological waste eventually contaminated the entire water supply, that’s why the concrete along with the generators themselves would eventually Fail, along with the water that floods after the dam failed you have to realize all of these waters are contaminated with nuclear and biological waste . Probably the single biggest toxic waste development in the History of the Human Race .

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The filthy water is just one symptom of the CCP's heedless attitude when it comes to the environment. The same can be said of the pollution in the air and soil, not to mention the sewer systems.

Very interesting interview with Col. Wilkerson: world power inexorably shifting from west to east, Israel's expansion agenda, war against Iran, christian zionism in USA, obligatory 'prayer meetings' at the Pentagon, etc.

Col. Larry Wilkerson: The U.S. Is Falling Apart?! Shocking Warning Signs EVERYWHERE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcDcW7wTVsc

There was an excellent article in French about the last meeting of China, Russia, India, Turkey, Bellarusse, Iran, North Korea, and few little countries.

The article was explaining what China was offering to countries where the US has imposed large tariffs. While USA is asking money, China is giving them money.

They were also saying that all the countries around Vietnam were now alined with China, therefore isolating Vietnam which does not want to go China's way.

They were also writing that up to the last minute India did not want to align with China, it wanted to remain kind of neutral in terms of economy.
But the tariffs imposed by Trump are so prohibitive for a developing country, albeit the most populated in the world, that India had no choice but to align with China.
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They were saying that Trump is pushing the East and India in the hands of China.
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China present itself as the side lover. And it is working for many. In my opinion, Chinese economy will dominate within 5 to 10 years. No doubts about it. Chinese plan for 100 years, it is in their culture, their cognitive biais. And this is not a good news for us, occidentals and for freedom of the people either. USA plans (used to be 4 years) now for 6 months, sometimes everything changes within 2 weeks. No planning. Truthfully not bright.

More here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-What-s-happening-in-China&p=1683504&viewfull=1#post1683504

Bill Ryan

3rd September 2025, 00:04

China’s Poverty Explosion: 300 Million Jobless, Families Pushed Poverty, Cities Overrun by Homeless.
China Inside
18.6K subscribers
Sep 1, 2025

(The reality of China is much different than the CCP's prodigiously expensive propaganda would have us believe.)

The main content of the program:
0:00 China’s poverty explosion revealed.
0:35 Fragile growth model exposed.
3:21 Jobless youth, collapsing factories, rising homelessness.
8:48 Real estate, job mismatch, state control.
13:33 Human cost, broken families, lost future.
18:32 A nation at breaking point.
19:58 Truths Beijing can’t hide.

_gyCuG3-UPM

Also:

Three Gorges Dam Nightmare: Cracks Exposed, China on Edge
China Undercover
75.7K subscribers
Aug 27, 2025

(The "disaster clock" is speeding up...)

"In 2025, before China had even entered its official flood season in July, disaster was already sweeping across the nation. From the smoky industrial belts of the north to the farmlands of the south, unrelenting rains merged with swollen rivers, turning what should have been routine monsoon challenges into a nationwide nightmare. The waters didn’t burst in a single wave—they crept forward day after day, tightening their grip until whole provinces were drowning.
By July 4, Chinese officials admitted that 329 rivers had surged past the danger line. But behind this statistic lies a far darker truth: this crisis is not simply nature’s wrath—it’s the result of human arrogance. And at the very heart of it stands the most controversial symbol of modern China—the Three Gorges Dam.
Once glorified as the Communist Party’s ultimate triumph of engineering, the dam is now seen as its Achilles’ heel. When it was inaugurated in 2003, state media boasted that it could withstand a “once-in-a-thousand-year” flood. Later, that promise was quietly downgraded to “once in a century.” Now, as red alerts blare across central China, even that watered-down claim sounds like a cruel joke. The cracks in the illusion—both metaphorical and real—are widening. "

Significant comment, which explains a LOT:
@MichaelRobertson-i8f
1 day ago
I retired from the LADWP in 2016 with the last 17 years spent in the Owen’s Valley as an Electric Station Operator. Back in those days I read an article about damming up the largest river in China, it displaced 150 million people from the areas that were going to be underwater. The One thing was that landfills included not only garbage but China didn’t separate Biological and Nuclear Waste in their landfills and putting them underwater would eventually cause both the nuclear and biological waste eventually contaminated the entire water supply, that’s why the concrete along with the generators themselves would eventually Fail, along with the water that floods after the dam failed you have to realize all of these waters are contaminated with nuclear and biological waste . Probably the single biggest toxic waste development in the History of the Human Race .As7B4vsJCRU

The filthy water is just one symptom of the CCP's heedless attitude when it comes to the environment. The same can be said of the pollution in the air and soil, not to mention the sewer systems.

Very interesting interview with Col. Wilkerson: world power inexorably shifting from west to east, Israel's expansion agenda, war against Iran, christian zionism in USA, obligatory 'prayer meetings' at the Pentagon, etc.

Col. Larry Wilkerson: The U.S. Is Falling Apart?! Shocking Warning Signs EVERYWHERE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcDcW7wTVsc

There was an excellent article in French about the last meeting of China, Russia, India, Turkey, Bellarusse, Iran, North Korea, and few little countries.

The article was explaining what China was offering to countries where the US has imposed large tariffs. While USA is asking money, China is giving them money.

They were also saying that all the countries around Vietnam were now alined with China, therefore isolating Vietnam which does not want to go China's way.

They were also writing that up to the last minute India did not want to align with China, it wanted to remain kind of neutral in terms of economy.
But the tariffs imposed by Trump are so prohibitive for a developing country, albeit the most populated in the world, that India had no choice but to align with China.
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They were saying that Trump is pushing the East and India in the hands of China.
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China present itself as the side lover. And it is working for many. In my opinion, Chinese economy will dominate within 5 to 10 years. No doubts about it. Chinese plan for 100 years, it is in their culture, their cognitive biais. And this is not a good news for us, occidentals and for freedom of the people either. USA plans (used to be 4 years) now for 6 months, sometimes everything changes within 2 weeks. No planning. Truthfully not bright.

More here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-What-s-happening-in-China&p=1683504&viewfull=1#post1683504~~~

But there's another aspect to this, maybe one that could help us figure out what's propaganda and what's not.

Here's an interesting short video, just published, about a well-known Indian journalist (the anchor of the Firstpost Indian YT news channel (https://www.youtube.com/@Firstpost/videos)) who was always fiercely critical of China... until she went there last week to see for herself. The YT comments are naturally dubious of her sincerity, but it might be very real.

From China HATER to China ADMIRER: Palki Sharma's Incredible Journey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCsgVxEHuQ

(This below was also posted by Ravenlocke on the Multipolar World Order thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120183-The-Multipolar-World-Order--yes-it-s-here-&p=1683350&viewfull=1#post1683350), copied here)

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Palki Sharma, the Indian journalist who produced many an anti-China report in recent years, has come to China.

After seeing this place with her own eyes, she’s having a change of heart…

https://x.com/AndyBxxx/status/1962336246556201295

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onawah

3rd September 2025, 01:09

The CCP no doubt paid her a pretty penny for that propaganda..
Like many "White Monkeys" (people from other countries who often (but not necessarily) go to live in China and get paid prodigous amounts of money to create false ads for the CCP). There are plenty of examples of these. They are generally closely guarded when on assignment as they are escorted to the areas the CCP wants them to see, and made to avoid any troublesome areas. "The China Show" frequently reports on that, but I know you don't favor them Bill, so I have provided some other examples on the "What's Happening in China" thread here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-What-s-happening-in-China&p=1683524&viewfull=1#post1683524
China Hires Foreigners to Belittle Themselves. Most Ridiculous"White Monkey" Jobs. Paid by CCP.
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"White Monkey" is a term used by native Chinese in the Communist State to refer to paid actors and influencers who's job it is, is to enforce the Chinese nationalist ideals of superiority.

The term has become a general one and refers to any foreigner doing these types of jobs. "White Monkeys" do not have to work in China. Many are international actors and influencers, paid to influence public opinion positively in favor or Chinese political stances, particularly in policy that is frowned upon such as internment camps in Xingjian, settlements in Tibet, it's covert seizing of Hong Kong, dispute of Taiwan, or oppression of Religious Freedom of Christians, and other religious minorities."

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"The Canadian Who Loves China's Authoritarian Communist Party!
He threw his freedom away for some cheap beer!"

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YouTubers Paid To Spread Chinese Propaganda (Cyrus Janssen, Barrett, Jason Lightfoot)
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"The Chinese Communist Party is no stranger to propaganda, and these YouTubers (Cyrus Janssen, Barrett and Jason Lightfoot/Living in China) are just pawns in their game.

This video discusses the evidence tying Cyrus Janssen, Barrett, and Jason Lightfoot (Living in China) to the Chinese government, as well as the hypocrisy of some of their claims."

0:00 - Intro
4:18 - Cyrus Janssen
8:58 - Barrett
15:01 - Jason Lightfoot (Living in China)
18:22 - Outro

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My $10,000 White Monkey Job in Beijing, China
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"White monkey jobs are a thing in Asia. This is the story of the time I was a white monkey."

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There are plenty of videos from various sources on youtube about White Monkeys.

BUT you might want to check this out first, just one example of what often happens to countries who participate in the Belt & Road Initiative:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-What-s-happening-in-China&p=1683504&viewfull=1#post1683504QUOTE=Bill Ryan;1683508]

[QUOTE=onawah;1683504]Ecuador Angered! China-built Massive Dam is Tofu-Dreg, Ecuador Demands $400 Million Compensation
China Observer
750K subscribers
Aug 26, 2025

"China's Belt and Road infrastructure projects have plunged some countries into deep debt, with many projects plagued by construction defects. Now, these affected nations have reached their breaking point.
Ecuador's massive hydropower plant, Coca Codo Sinclair, has become the center of a major structural defect scandal. The Chinese state-owned company behind the project will compensate the Ecuadorian government with 400 million US dollars for the damages caused by these defects.

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Bill Ryan

3rd September 2025, 12:39

Maybe these last few posts should be moved to the thread I started a while back called Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124189-Chinese-and-anti-Chinese-propaganda----what-s-the-truth). (But despite my honest efforts to open a balanced discussion about this, the thread became quickly derailed with even more propaganda.)

Just as a comment here, the issue with the Ecuador Coca Codo dam is NOT a big news item here, and doesn't qualify as a 'scandal'. I'd not even heard about it, and it took quite a while for me to find any news items here about it at all. (I searched for the following in Spanish. Do try it yourself. Barely anything comes up, and what does is mostly several years old.)
La enorme central hidroeléctrica de Ecuador, Coca Codo Sinclair, se ha convertido en el centro de un importante escándalo por defectos estructurales.I doubt doubt the truth of the report at all, and thanks for letting me know about it! :thumbsup:But the point here is how the issue is being used as propaganda.

There are real things happening in the world, which Avalon members need and want to know about.
Then there are news reports about those, many of which are laced with agendas. 'China Observer' is NOT a balanced news site.

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Bill Ryan

3rd September 2025, 12:41

:bump::bump::bump:

Bruce G Charlton

3rd September 2025, 14:26

I agree that most reporting in the Western mass media on China is hostile propaganda, intended to cover for Western intervention, subversion and destabilization, and potential military action.

Given the vast size, population, wealth and power of China; it is remarkable how little of a problem they are at an international level, compared with... some other nations.

China aren't for instance, always provoking and escalating wars all over the place; and continually trying to force other nations into their wars; or systematically destroying nations and their populations in wars - and they aren't continually flooding the world with evil ideological propaganda.

Instead, they provide most of the material stuff that Western people want (for what that's worth).

To continually be harping against China in public, and trying to recruit others to the cause; is not something I would expect to find in a genuinely well-motivated person.

onawah

3rd September 2025, 15:23

I have spent more time than I imagine anyone else on the forum has investigating what is in the opinion of some regarding propaganda about China, but I have come to very different conclusions. Time will tell!
There are plenty of other sources of news about China than China Observer, but the latter is usually more detailed, with more video footage, so it saves on the number of posts.
As for the Chinese built dam in Ecuador, I don't have time now to do more, but I did a quick search re the dispute and following is just the first page of results that came up, so apparently it IS in the news:
Here's one from the Center for Latin American & Latino Studies:
https://aulablog.net/2024/08/21/the-ongoing-saga-of-a-chinese-infrastructure-project-in-ecuador/

Succinct report here: https://www.watergynexus.com/2024/12/22/rivers-of-influence-how-droughts-and-chinese-investment-shape-ecuadors-energy-crisis/

This from :https://fundacionandresbello.org/en/news/venezuela-%f0%9f%87%bb%f0%9f%87%aa-news/venezuela-joins-chinas-global-governance-initiative/
"July 17, 2025

Ecuador and Power China Reach Agreement on Coca Codo Sinclair Dispute
Fundación Andrés Bello
Photo: Ministerio de Turismo Ecuador.

The Government of Ecuador has confirmed a settlement agreement with Power China, formerly Sinohydro, regarding the legal dispute over the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant. Minister of Energy and Mines Inés Manzano announced that the agreement, though not yet finalized, represents a key step toward resolving the international arbitration process initiated by Ecuador’s state-owned electricity company, Celec.

The dispute stems from structural issues in the plant, inaugurated in 2016 with more than $3.3 billion in Chinese financing. Since its opening, the facility has reported over 17,000 cracks in critical components and is under threat from the backward erosion of the Coca River, which compromises water intake infrastructure.

While the arbitration process is still technically ongoing, Manzano indicated that both parties have reached important points of consensus. Separately, Foreign Minister Gabriela Sommerfeld revealed that a parallel agreement is being negotiated for Power China to take over the operation and maintenance of the plant under a contract estimated at $400 million.

Officials clarified that the proposed arrangement is not a concession. Instead, the Ecuadorian state would retain full ownership of Coca Codo Sinclair, while Power China would manage operations and maintenance for a defined period in exchange for a generation-based fee.

Former Energy Minister Carlos Pérez expressed support for the current administration’s decision, noting that similar arrangements had been considered in previous governments. Ecuador continues to service its outstanding debt of approximately $1.8 billion to Chinese banks, while Celec is pursuing $580 million in damages through arbitration for construction defects."
dialogue.earth

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Maybe these last few posts should be moved to the thread I started a while back called Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124189-Chinese-and-anti-Chinese-propaganda----what-s-the-truth). (But despite my honest efforts to open a balanced discussion about this, the thread became quickly derailed with even more propaganda.)

Just as a comment here, the issue with the Ecuador Coca Codo dam is NOT a big news item here, and doesn't qualify as a 'scandal'. I'd not even heard about it, and it took quite a while for me to find any news items here about it at all. (I searched for the following in Spanish. Do try it yourself. Barely anything comes up, and what does is mostly several years old.)
La enorme central hidroeléctrica de Ecuador, Coca Codo Sinclair, se ha convertido en el centro de un importante escándalo por defectos estructurales.I doubt doubt the truth of the report at all, and thanks for letting me know about it! :thumbsup:But the point here is how the issue is being used as propaganda.

There are real things happening in the world, which Avalon members need and want to know about.
Then there are news reports about those, many of which are laced with agendas. 'China Observer' is NOT a balanced news site.

:focus:

Ravenlocke

3rd September 2025, 16:10

Posting the following here as I believe the content is relevant to this thread.

From Apocalypsis Apocalyseos,

Wall Street conspires against the United States of America, not China!

https://x.com/apocalypseos/status/1963081022922490341

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“It is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America.” — Zbigniew Brzezinski, The Grand Chessboard, 1997

https://x.com/apocalypseos/status/1963078180186841543

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onawah

3rd September 2025, 17:14

Bill, one big reason why you may not have noticed much in the Ecuadoran news about the Chinese-built dam is that quite a few Ecuadoran officials are implicated in the scandal.
Which is most often the case with Belt and Road Initiative projects, as the CCP seems skilled at finding the most culpable officials in the countries they target for their projects, those who will take sizeable bribes to give the CCP the go-ahead for building them.
See: https://www.watergynexus.com/2024/12/22/rivers-of-influence-how-droughts-and-chinese-investment-shape-ecuadors-energy-crisis/

Droughts are the main cause of these blackouts, yet another factor may be exacerbating the issue: under-performing hydroelectric dams built by China’s state-owned enterprises (SOEs).

Presently, China’s SOEs have built or currently operate eight hydropower plants in Ecuador accounting for approximately 2,500 megawatts in max production when combined – a third of Ecuador’s total energy sector. At least three of these hydroelectric sites are on rivers facing critical drought conditions.

On the Mazar River, the Sopladora and Mazar plants are being heavily affected by El Nino. The Sopladora hydroelectrical plant, although owned by the Ecuadorian state firm Hidropaute, was constructed by China Gezhouba Group, with operations starting in 2016. The facility cost $500 million to build, with 85 percent being funded from the Export-Import Bank of China. The total capacity for the site is 487 megawatts. As of September 5, the Sopladora plant was only running at 16 percent of its total output. While drought conditions no doubt is the main culprit, additional reports suggest that Gezhouba didn’t properly train the Ecuadorian workers to maintain the plant. It has been estimated that the worker ratio of Ecuadorians to Chinese nationals is 8 to 2, with the Chinese expats having more important and, in turn, higher paying positions.

Also under drought conditions is the Mazar-Dudas hydroelectric plant along the Pindling and Mazar river, producing 21 megawatts of power. The project was built by the China National Electric Engineering Company (CNEEC) in 2011 and construction was funded by the China Development Bank for $41.6 million. Operations started April 2015. The plant was built in a protected zone of the Dudas-Mazar forest, but it had minimal environmental impact since it is a smaller dam. Yet with the current droughts occurring, any intervention of water flow made by these dams will cause greater impacts on the hundreds of species of flora, fauna, and wildlife within the protected forest.

The Coca River is also suffering, impacting the Coca Codo Sinclair dam, currently running at 59 percent production out of its 1500 megawatts capacity. This single plant produces 35 percent of Ecuador’s total electricity. However, the faults are not new with this facility. Proposed by the Ecuadorian government in 1976, the dam did not begin construction until 2010 when the China Export-Import Bank covered more than half of the cost with a $1.68 billion loan to the Ecuadorian government. The dam was constructed by Sinohydro, another of China’s SOEs, at a total cost of $2.6 billion.

Throughout the course of constructing and managing the facility, Sinohydro has faced 14 civil suits and 80 labor claims. Additionally, this dam was built near an active volcano, causing more than 7,500 cracks to the structure. Yet the most notable issue is the consistent corruption linked to the Coca Codo Sinclair dam. Almost every top Ecuadorian official involved in the project’s construction has been imprisoned or sentenced on bribery charges.

Maybe these last few posts should be moved to the thread I started a while back called Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124189-Chinese-and-anti-Chinese-propaganda----what-s-the-truth). (But despite my honest efforts to open a balanced discussion about this, the thread became quickly derailed with even more propaganda.)

Just as a comment here, the issue with the Ecuador Coca Codo dam is NOT a big news item here, and doesn't qualify as a 'scandal'. I'd not even heard about it, and it took quite a while for me to find any news items here about it at all. (I searched for the following in Spanish. Do try it yourself. Barely anything comes up, and what does is mostly several years old.)
La enorme central hidroeléctrica de Ecuador, Coca Codo Sinclair, se ha convertido en el centro de un importante escándalo por defectos estructurales.I doubt doubt the truth of the report at all, and thanks for letting me know about it! :thumbsup:But the point here is how the issue is being used as propaganda.

There are real things happening in the world, which Avalon members need and want to know about.
Then there are news reports about those, many of which are laced with agendas. 'China Observer' is NOT a balanced news site.

:focus:

Ravenlocke

3rd September 2025, 21:16

From PM Robert Fico,

I consider it a great mistake that the heads of state and prime ministers of the EU member states ignored today’s celebrations in China.

https://x.com/RobertFicoSVK/status/1963273815460307361

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Ravenlocke

3rd September 2025, 21:28

From Combate,

At China's 80th anniversary the Great Victory parade:

"Justice will prevail!
Peace will prevail!
The people will prevail!"

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1963203604963057818

1963203604963057818

onawah

4th September 2025, 03:12

This article that Ravenlocke just posted (copied following) in the Turmoil in Ecuador thread fills in the gaps-- at least, gaps in the story of Ecuador's Chinese Communist Party-created crisis.
Though the similar problems of other nations which have fallen into the trap of the CCP's Belt and Road Initiative are even worse in many cases.
I've posted articles about all that, but they have largely been ignored.
Hopefully those days are over now...:attention:

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From: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108762-Turmoil-in-Ecuador&p=1683667&viewfull=1#post1683667
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https://gk.city/2025/08/27/que-es-hidroelectrica-coca-codo-sinclair-ecuador/

5 keys to the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant

It provides about 28% of energy to the country, but in the season of drying its production decreases and generates a deficit at the national level. That's not the only problem it causes.

Emilia Paz and Miño · Last updated August 27, 2025

The Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant is the largest in Ecuador. Its power is 1500 megawatts and, depending on the time of year, it generates between 28% and 30% of the energy that the country needs. This amount can supply about 5.3 million households.

Coca Codo was one of the emblematic projects of President Rafael Correa, who ruled between 2007 and 2017. With hydroelectric plants, the government sought to transform Ecuador's energy matrix away from the thermal generation that requires fossil fuels, such as oil.

In May 2024, the hydroelectric power plant stopped its operation due to an accumulation of sediments in the catchment area. To protect the infrastructure, the gates were closed and, to refuel the electricity service, thermoelectric plants were activated. The interruption of the operation of the Coca Codo hydroelectric power plant aggravated the energy crisis of that year in which there were blackouts of 14 hours a day in some sectors of the country.

But it is not the first time that hydroelectric power has caused problems to the country.

Its construction had several questions such as the modality of the contract, which was under the figure of "try-key". That is, all the necessary contracting for the work is in the hands of the contracting company, and only once the project is ready, it is delivered to the State.

The disadvantage of these contracts is that the supervision is much more complex because "there are no such defined delivery milestones as in other contractual processes," Andrés Lozano, co-author of the Chinese Investments report, told GK, how have they affected institutionality in Ecuador?, in 2023. This, he added, makes it difficult to take "correctives at the right times."

The lack of revisions resulted in countless cracks in the structure, which led to lawsuits against the construction company. These problems, added to the regressive erosion of the Coca River, which is getting closer to the hydroelectric plant, have caused higher costs for Ecuador, and almost ten years after its inauguration it has not been officially delivered to the State.

We tell you 4 keys to the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant.

The largest hydroelectric power plant in Ecuador

The Coca Codo Sinclair Hydroelectric Power Plant is a megaproject that began its construction in July 2010 and was inaugurated on November 18, 2016, during the government of Rafael Correa.

Its power is 1500 megawatts, which could supply electricity to the entire city of Quito and Guayaquil, and would be left over. Ecuador's total energy demand is about 5,000 megawatts; in May 2025, according to the National Electricity Operator (Cenace), the demand reached 5,110. Coca Codo usually supplys up to 30% of that demand.

The hydroelectric plant is in the cantons of El Chaco, province of Napo, and Gonzalo Pizarro, province of Sucumbios. "In the heart of the Ecuadorian Amazon rainforest" as Jorge Glas, then vice president of Ecuador, said at the inauguration of the project.

Since it began operating, in April 2016, and until July 2022 (which is the last date of official information available), it had generated just over 39,000 gigawatts for the country.

The Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant uses water from the Quijos and Salado rivers, which form the Coca River, to generate electricity. The complex is composed in this way and works like this:

Capture work: It remparts the water from the Coca River and directs it towards the desander, where the particles are cleaned. Then, go to the driving tunnel.
Driving tunnel: It has a length of 24.8 kilometers and carries the captured water to the compensating reservoir.
Compensating reservoir: It is a dam that stores water during the day and releases it during the hours of highest consumption. From here it is sent to the pressure pipes.
Pressure pipes: They are two ducts that carry the water at high speed and pressure to the engine room.
Engine house: It has two caverns;
Generator cave: Pressurized water moves 8 turbines that are connected to generators that produce electricity.
Transformer Cave: The electricity is adjusted to an adequate voltage level to be sent to the national grid.
Used water returns to the Coca River.

The work has not been officially delivered

Since it was conceived, the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant was described as a national priority and part of a strategic plan of the Correa government.

With hydroelectric plants, the President had three objectives:

Stop buying energy from other countries such as Colombia during dry seasons - when rivers have a minimum flow due to droughts.
Get away from the energy generated by thermoelectric plants - in December 2018, Ecuador had 204 - and switch to cleaner and renewable energy.
Establish an alliance with China since it was built by the Chinese company Sinohydro with financing from the EximBank of that country.
The project initially cost about $1,979 million, according to the 2009 contract. In 2023, the cost amounted to just over $2,439 million, excluding VAT.

In 2023, when the price exceeded $2 billion, the Corporación Eléctrica del Ecuador (Celec), which operates and administers the plant, told GK that the cost overruns come from taxes, price adjustments and exchange orders included in the agreement.

But the value could still rise.

Until August 2025, the hydroelectric power plant has not been officially delivered to Ecuador, due to the technical, physical and legal problems it has that were analyzed by the Comptroller General of the State, since before its construction.

The problems of hydroelectric power are part of several special examinations carried out between 2010 and 2016 by the Comptroller General of the State.

The Comptroller's office found that, between 2010 and 2012, there were delays in delivery schedules, lack of delivery of quality control manuals, zero verification of the state of concrete and steel, disorderly handling of documentation and invoices by Sinohydro, the construction company.

In the special examination that analyzed what happened between 2012 and 2015, the Comptroller's offeration discovered that due to delays in the first phase of the project, Ecuador lost 81 million dollars in fine that it did not charge.

And in the 2016 report, when the hydroelectric company began its operation, they discovered that the cost of the project reached 2 billion dollars, exceeding the original contractual amount of 1,979 million.

In 2025, the project accumulates more than 17,000 fissures, according to Celec, so it cannot operate at 100% of its capacity.

Another impediment to the delivery of the hydroelectric power is the international arbitration process that Celec initiated in May 2021 against Sinohydro, due to the multiple failures in the construction.

The construction has multiple fissures

In 2014, four years after the start of construction, and after a report from the Comptroller's S office, Sinohydro hired audits to respond to the institution's observations and certify that its teams met the standards. But the audits determined that the parts for the turbines, manufactured and shipped from China, had faults.

In addition, in another report, the Comptroller's office says that the quality control documents of these parts and others of the hydroelectric plant had been altered and "do not cly to reality."

That year, the inspection of the auditing company detected 7,648 cracks in the eight distributors - which carry water to the turbines - that were inside the concrete walls on the inside of the plant.

Sinohydro - which according to a 2021 Celec report remained silent about these problems for at least two years - tried to solve the cracks by welding the metal. It is assumed that by 2015, at least three distributors were arranged that way.

In 2019, other reports from the Comptroller's office revealed that the water was piercing the steel of the distributors and that it was already wetting the concrete that covers them. The Comptroller ordered Sinohydro to replace the eight distributors and to take over the cost. But he didn't.

The 2018, 2019 and 2021 Celec inspections concluded that there was nothing to do with some cracks, especially those that bordered directly with the concrete. And that the pieces had to be replaced.

By 2023 there were already more than 17,000 cracks in the distributors that had not been able to be repaired and that with the operation of the hydroelectric plant continued to grow.

But cracks are not the only problem that presents a danger to the operation of the megaproject.

Regressive erosion, a constant threat to the project

The regressive erosion - when the exterior of a river sticks a lot to the slope and is eating it - of the Coca River, increasingly advances upstream and puts "at risk the water intake work of the hydroelectric," according to the government.

According to the Celec report of August 20, 2025, regressive erosion is already 3.6 kilometers from the Coca Codo capture works. If it reaches the plant, it would put its operation at risk, affect its useful life and the energy supply would be reduced.

One of the reasons why erosion is so close to the work would be the lack of updated environmental studies before the hydroelectric power plant was built, since they ignored the problem of regressive erosion in the place - that is, on the slopes of the Coca River - according to Alfredo Carrasco, a geologist engineer, told GK in 2023.

Erosion would be the reason why the San Rafael waterfall, located in the Cayambe-Coca National Park, disappeared on February 2, 2020.

In the study Coca Codo Sinclair & the erosive process in the high Coca, of the Andean Rivers Observatory, of June 2021, he says that for the cause of the collapse of the San Rafael waterfall there are two hypotheses that "must be analyzed through more scientific studies."

The first is that it was a purely natural phenomenon and that it was known that sooner or later it would happen since since the 1980s there were reports that warned of erosion.

Carrasco told GK that there was negligence on the part of the State not to "understand this erosion process, nor to do the appropriate monitoring" or update the environmental impact studies.

The second hypothesis is that the changes in the shape of the river and the terrain caused by the construction of the Coca Codo Sinclair capture work "could play a decisive role in the weakening and collapse of the waterfall," says the report.

He also mentions that since the collapse of the waterfall "the erosive process has advanced at an alarming rate of approximately 8 kilometers in less than nine months." And that the number is still increasing.

In August 2025, the government of Daniel Noboa, through the Ministry of Energy and Mines and Celec, says it is carrying out "urgent and permanent actions to protect the water capture" of Coca Codo.

For the government, the regressive erosion of the Coca River is "a unique natural phenomenon in the world that threatens the most important generation infrastructure in the country."

Some of the temporary actions, according to the government statement, are making large rock walls, stabilization of slopes and partial detours of the river. The permanent solutions are:

Make an underground structure downstream of the catchment to stop erosion and protect the water intakes of the plant (it was completed in 2023)
Build a permeable dam to widen the width of the river and reduce the strength of the water (according to the government, it has a 60% advance)
A stepped landfill to dissipate the erosive power of water (according to the government, construction has not yet begun)
And deviate two kilometers from the river (according to the government, it is still in the study phase)
Face at least two legal problems

Construction failures and problems with cracks that were increasing in size, led Celec to file a request for international arbitration against Sinohydro, the construction company, before the International Court of Arbitration of the International Chamber of Commerce in Santiago de Chile on May 17, 2021.

In response, Sinohydro (a subsidiary of PowerChina, a construction group) proposed a 50-year concession, in which it would assume the repair of structural problems and sell the energy to the country.

The arbitration is still ongoing.

On July 8, 2025, Gabriela Sommerfeld, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Human Mobility, told Teleamazonas that PowerChina will take charge of the operation and maintenance of Coca Codo.

He also said that the construction group agreed to pay 400 million dollars for construction failures. The money will arrive in the country until December 2026, according to the chancellor.

That same day, Inés Manzano, Minister of Energy and Mines, at a press conference said that they also signed a conciliation agreement to "leave arbitration." "All that has a process. We have three legal documents prior to doing it," said the minister, without giving more details.

But arbitration is not the only legal entanglement around Coca Codo.

An investigation by the Prosecutor's Office called the Sinohydro case, formerly Ina Papers, investigates the crime of bribery in the construction of the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant. According to the Prosecutor's Office, to build it, they would have given 76 million dollars in bribes - the highest amount of a bribe in the history of the country.

Of the 25 people who are prosecuted, the most important character is Lenin Moreno, former president and vice president of Ecuador for whom, on April 19, 2023, the Prosecutor's Office asked for preventive detention. But the judge denied the measure and replaced it with periodic presentations. Since Moreno does not live in Ecuador, the Prosecutor's Office asked the justice system to notify Interpol to locate him.

According to the Prosecutor's Office, in 2010, due to his close relationship and friendship with the then ambassador of the People's Republic of China in Ecuador, Cai Runguo, Moreno - then Vice President - managed to reach the financing agreement with the EximBank eight months after the signing of the contract, which required more guarantees than those agreed at the beginning.

The money for the emblematic work arrived in June 2010.

A month later, the Commercial company Recorsa, owned by Conto Patiño, a friend of Lenin Moreno and representative of Sinohydro in the country, opened an account at Banco Pichincha Panama.

According to the Prosecutor's Office, it would be through that account that the Chinese company would have sent money, with transactions made from an account in the name of Sinohydro, of the Bank of China.

75 and a half million dollars would have reached that account, according to the theory of the Prosecutor's Office. The remaining 500 thousand dollars would have been deposited in another account in Panama.

The Prosecutor's Office says that Conto Patiño would have distributed the money to the other 36 people who are prosecuted in the case.

In addition to Moreno, there is his wife, Rocío González, one of his daughters, Irina Moreno, and his brother, Edwin Moreno. Patiño's children and even one of his granddaughters, Victoria Patiño, are also part of the process.

On March 23, 2023, former President Lenin Moreno wrote in his X account "I never had responsibility, attributions or capacity to influence strategic projects during Rafael Correa's government."

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Bill, one big reason why you may not have noticed much in the Ecuadoran news about the Chinese-built dam is that quite a few Ecuadoran officials are implicated in the scandal.
Which is most often the case with Belt and Road Initiative projects, as the CCP seems skilled at finding the most culpable officials in the countries they target for their projects, those who will take sizeable bribes to give the CCP the go-ahead for building them.
See: https://www.watergynexus.com/2024/12/22/rivers-of-influence-how-droughts-and-chinese-investment-shape-ecuadors-energy-crisis/

Droughts are the main cause of these blackouts, yet another factor may be exacerbating the issue: under-performing hydroelectric dams built by China’s state-owned enterprises (SOEs).

Presently, China’s SOEs have built or currently operate eight hydropower plants in Ecuador accounting for approximately 2,500 megawatts in max production when combined – a third of Ecuador’s total energy sector. At least three of these hydroelectric sites are on rivers facing critical drought conditions.

On the Mazar River, the Sopladora and Mazar plants are being heavily affected by El Nino. The Sopladora hydroelectrical plant, although owned by the Ecuadorian state firm Hidropaute, was constructed by China Gezhouba Group, with operations starting in 2016. The facility cost $500 million to build, with 85 percent being funded from the Export-Import Bank of China. The total capacity for the site is 487 megawatts. As of September 5, the Sopladora plant was only running at 16 percent of its total output. While drought conditions no doubt is the main culprit, additional reports suggest that Gezhouba didn’t properly train the Ecuadorian workers to maintain the plant. It has been estimated that the worker ratio of Ecuadorians to Chinese nationals is 8 to 2, with the Chinese expats having more important and, in turn, higher paying positions.

Also under drought conditions is the Mazar-Dudas hydroelectric plant along the Pindling and Mazar river, producing 21 megawatts of power. The project was built by the China National Electric Engineering Company (CNEEC) in 2011 and construction was funded by the China Development Bank for $41.6 million. Operations started April 2015. The plant was built in a protected zone of the Dudas-Mazar forest, but it had minimal environmental impact since it is a smaller dam. Yet with the current droughts occurring, any intervention of water flow made by these dams will cause greater impacts on the hundreds of species of flora, fauna, and wildlife within the protected forest.

The Coca River is also suffering, impacting the Coca Codo Sinclair dam, currently running at 59 percent production out of its 1500 megawatts capacity. This single plant produces 35 percent of Ecuador’s total electricity. However, the faults are not new with this facility. Proposed by the Ecuadorian government in 1976, the dam did not begin construction until 2010 when the China Export-Import Bank covered more than half of the cost with a $1.68 billion loan to the Ecuadorian government. The dam was constructed by Sinohydro, another of China’s SOEs, at a total cost of $2.6 billion.

Throughout the course of constructing and managing the facility, Sinohydro has faced 14 civil suits and 80 labor claims. Additionally, this dam was built near an active volcano, causing more than 7,500 cracks to the structure. Yet the most notable issue is the consistent corruption linked to the Coca Codo Sinclair dam. Almost every top Ecuadorian official involved in the project’s construction has been imprisoned or sentenced on bribery charges.

Maybe these last few posts should be moved to the thread I started a while back called Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124189-Chinese-and-anti-Chinese-propaganda----what-s-the-truth). (But despite my honest efforts to open a balanced discussion about this, the thread became quickly derailed with even more propaganda.)

Just as a comment here, the issue with the Ecuador Coca Codo dam is NOT a big news item here, and doesn't qualify as a 'scandal'. I'd not even heard about it, and it took quite a while for me to find any news items here about it at all. (I searched for the following in Spanish. Do try it yourself. Barely anything comes up, and what does is mostly several years old.)
La enorme central hidroeléctrica de Ecuador, Coca Codo Sinclair, se ha convertido en el centro de un importante escándalo por defectos estructurales.I doubt doubt the truth of the report at all, and thanks for letting me know about it! :thumbsup:But the point here is how the issue is being used as propaganda.

There are real things happening in the world, which Avalon members need and want to know about.
Then there are news reports about those, many of which are laced with agendas. 'China Observer' is NOT a balanced news site.

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onawah

5th September 2025, 23:41

The CCP uses many surreptitious tactics to intervene, subvert and destabilize; more than overt ones as they can't afford to get into many military actions since "saving face" is paramount in importance.
Their guns, ships, planes etc. are too likely to malfunction due to the shortcuts that are constantly taken in constructing them, and due to their ineptitude often even in accurately copying those inventions they attempt to steal from other countries.
They imitate previous Communist regimes by investing vast sums of resources into propaganda with which they hope to brainwash their own people and deceive the rest of the world :lie: which they apparently consider to be safer than taking action.
I don't think you would find much agreement in labeling the two men who create "The China Show" every week as not being "genuinely well-motivated".
Both spent over a decade working and travelling in China, and retain many connections with Chinese people (including family connections as they both married Chinese women) who keep them well informed as to what is going on inside the borders of China.
The topics they cover are serious but they do their best to keep the mood light, which might otherwise become too disturbing.
There are plenty of other news sources focusing on China which are intent on uncovering the most disturbing news, with no efforts to lighten the darkness.
But I think in most cases, the motivation is to enlighten, not to deceive.
The darkness emanates from the CCP, :suspicious::spy: :twitch: :peep: ...not the journalists.
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I agree that most reporting in the Western mass media on China is hostile propaganda, intended to cover for Western intervention, subversion and destabilization, and potential military action.

Given the vast size, population, wealth and power of China; it is remarkable how little of a problem they are at an international level, compared with... some other nations.

China aren't for instance, always provoking and escalating wars all over the place; and continually trying to force other nations into their wars; or systematically destroying nations and their populations in wars - and they aren't continually flooding the world with evil ideological propaganda.

Instead, they provide most of the material stuff that Western people want (for what that's worth).

To continually be harping against China in public, and trying to recruit others to the cause; is not something I would expect to find in a genuinely well-motivated person.

onawah

6th September 2025, 21:41

Proof of how effective the propaganda from the CCP is that even on this forum, China is rarely viewed with suspicion.
(No matter how many posts I've made demonstrating their criminal intent, both to the world and to their own people.)

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But wait! Didn't Trump just say that the USA's terrible drug crisis was mainly the result of drug trafficking from Venezuela, and for this reason USA should invade Venezuela?
Gosh, some script writers really need to get their stories better put together.

A 30 year old quote from William Milton Cooper (Bill Cooper)

MP3 - 4 minutes
1995 01 03 - Bill Cooper - It's time to be Americans (https://app.box.com/s/8z4s5gkfivvxhk422eqw9jhcvs1t0ndx)
https://app.box.com/s/8z4s5gkfivvxhk422eqw9jhcvs1t0ndx

Here we are 30 years later and it's still hardly sinking in.

China, or some element of it, is working WITH Venezuela under the same overlords.

A lot of Chinese chemicals are dropped off in Venezuela for processing and value adding on route to killing tens of thousands of Americans a year.

Trump's war is against the overlords, the real and ultimate enemy that has to be defeated or America will not be free. Nation statehood is not only a very blunt lingual and though instrument it's hardly relevant at all. The enemy doesn't think or operate by nation state hood, other than to throw rocks in the path of it's pursuers.

onawah

8th September 2025, 08:56

How China plans to rule the world in AI

How China plans to rule the world in AI

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In 2017, while speaking to some students about the dangers of any country monopolizing developments in artificial intelligence (AI), Russia’s President Vladimir Putin declared that “whoever becomes the leader in this sphere will rule the world.” This seems to be true in our current geopolitical context, as the United States and China have shifted their attention to AI as the new battlefront in the Great Power Competition. This is evident from the increased level of AI initiatives, policies, and activities the two countries have engaged in recently. While the actions of the US on AI (along with the European Union’s – notably the EU AI Act, the world’s first comprehensive law on AI) have been the staple of everyday media coverage, China’s AI approaches have not been sufficiently highlighted, except in dense academic analyses that are often not readily accessible by the layperson or in biased coverage that does not do justice to the factual content of China’s strategies. Therefore, sticking only to what’s contained in China’s documents on AI and providing some context where needed, this article will in a simple layout detail China’s approach to influencing AI governance and development on a global level. It will provide insights into how China intends to leverage AI in its bid for global influence. Hopefully, this can help inform the broader public discourse on global AI governance and serve as a guide for researchers and policymakers working on international developments in AI.

The following is a summary of the ways China plans to rule the world in AI. These were derived from a review of China’s top AI policy documents and a relevant analysis, focusing on explicit expressions of China’s strategy for influencing AI governance globally and its approaches to dominate AI developments at an international level.

Recognition of AI as a strategic technology for competing at a global level: China sees and frames AI as a strategic technology for elevating its status among the most innovatively competitive nations of the world, in addition to AI having national security implications. The People’s Republic of China (PRC) in the New Generation Artificial Intelligence Development Plan (NGAIDP) of 2017 observed the increasing complexity that China faces in national security and international competition in a rapidly emerging world and determined that “[China] must, looking at the world, take the development of AI to the national strategic level with systemic layout, take the initiative in planning, firmly seize the strategic initiative in the new stage of international competition in AI development.” to create new competitive advantage, opening up the development of new space, and effectively protecting national security.” China seems to have recognized the transformational impacts of AI systems across societies and economies and is seeking to position itself strategically. The PRC seeks to become a ‘global science and technology power,’ by having a centrally planned approach to AI aimed at creating competitive advantages in new spaces while also using AI for protecting its national security interests.

Awareness of strengths and weaknesses: In its bid to leverage AI for global competitiveness, China looks to consolidate its areas of strength. The NGAIDP noted: “As a result of many years of continuous accumulation, China has achieved important progress in the field of AI, with the number of international scientific and technology papers published and the number of inventions patented ranked second in the world, while achieving important breakthroughs in certain domains of core crucial technologies.” The PRC went on to list other areas of China’s technological leadership and accomplishments, such as voice recognition, visual recognition, industrial and service robots, intelligent monitoring, and biometric identification. However, China seems clear-eyed about its abilities; it acknowledges the areas in which it must improve. The PRC observed that despite China’s achievements in the areas listed, there is still a gap between China’s ‘overall level of development of AI’ in comparison to other developed countries, specifically concerned about achieving major original results in areas such as basic theory, core algorithms, key equipment, high-end chips, and more. China looks to address these and other areas through urgently improving basic infrastructure, policies, regulations, and standards systems.

Monitor global trends in AI development and seize opportunities: In achieving its AI plans, China is not risking being haphazard in its approach, throwing its resources at everything and everywhere. Instead, the PRC looks to be opportunistic and utilizing-maximizing. According to the NGAIDP, China will “accurately grasp the global development trends of AI, find the correct openings for breakthroughs and directions for the main thrust.” The PRC plans to monitor global AI developments through studies that evaluate general trends and R&D efforts that proactively explore key frontier domains in AI development. By capitalizing on opportunities revealed in crucial areas by trendwatching, China hopes to lead the world by setting the trend itself.

Obtain a first-mover advantage: A recurring word in China’s AI policy documents is ‘first-mover advantage.’ This is indicative of the PRC’s intent to drive novel discovery and application of AI systems. To realize this, the Ministry of Education released the Artificial Intelligence Action Plan for Institutions of Higher Education (Action Plan) in 2018. The Action Plan stated the following as one of its purposes: “that China can gain a first-mover advantage in the development of artificial intelligence.” The implication of this is that China preconceives that certain benefits of AI will only accrue to first-movers and it works towards realizing these.

Deliberate resource allocation: Money, they say, makes the world go round. AI is no exception and China understands this. The NGAIDP notes that China will “fully use existing finances, bases and other such stored resources, comprehensively plan the allocation of international and domestic innovation resources.” The PRC intends to allow inputs from its financial administration experts to inform its use of policy incentives, aiming at achieving the most optimal allocations of its resources for pursuing innovation on a global scale. Therefore, to realize its vision of being a global science and technology power, China is prioritizing a conscientious allocation of its financial and other resources in its domestic and international policies.

Achieve theoretical and technological breakthroughs in AI: During budget cuts in many countries, funding for basic science is usually an area that is negatively impacted because the returns are often not immediately apparent or readily applicable. However, China has identified this area as a critical area that will inform its capacity to develop world-leading AI systems and drive its economic ascent to global power. The NGAIDP states that “By 2025, China will achieve major breakthroughs in basic theories for AI, such that some technologies and applications achieve a world-leading level and AI becomes the main driving force for China’s industrial upgrading and economic transformation.” The Action Plan also expresses China’s ambition to move the field of new-generation AI forward, stating that it will “make a number of original achievements of international significance” and “demonstrate a world-class level in some theoretical research, innovative technology, and application.” By achieving groundbreaking progress in new-generation AI theory and technology systems, China hopes to contribute to AI applications in fields like intelligent manufacturing, intelligent medicine, and national defense construction, all of which it expects will greatly expand and strengthen its economy. And the results are already starting to come in. As of 2020, China leads the world in the number of AI publications, and as of 2022, China has filed the highest number of AI patents. These results are also aided by China’s expanding domestic market and AI-promoting privacy-weak regulations.

Entering global markets and fostering globalization: China hopes that the cumulative effects of its theoretical and technological breakthroughs in AI will be increased influence in global markets. The NGAIDP predicted that China will achieve ‘world-leading levels’ in AI theories, technologies, and applications by 2030, making it the ‘world’s primary AI innovation center.’ The PRC hopes that producing tangible results from the application of AI in intelligent economy and society arrangements will build a solid foundation to catapult it to a position of economic power among innovative nations in global markets. In addition to this, China is determined to actively support its domestic AI enterprises and brands to attain a global leading status and facilitate international cooperation with top foreign AI enterprises and research institutes. The “Internet+” Artificial Intelligence Three-Year Action and Implementation Plan (Internet+ Plan) detailed China’s plan to “encourage cooperation with relevant countries to strengthen the R&D and application of AI technology, integrate domestic and foreign innovation resources, and enhance the innovation capabilities and international competitiveness of the AI industry. We will support relevant industry associations, industry alliances, and business service organizations as they build service platforms and provide international cooperation and overseas innovation services for innovative companies in the AI field.” Finally, China hopes to expand its influence on AI developments internationally by partnering with fellow member countries within BRICS as well as through its ‘One Belt, One Road’ initiative – a foreign policy strategy to increase its global footprints through financing infrastructural, trade, and investment projects around the world – while also obtaining foreign AI investments in research and development.

Investment in talent pipeline and education: Talent is a critical element and resource for AI developments and China recognizes this in its plan for global influence in AI. This is especially important given China’s increasing brain drain of scientific and technological talents, many of whom are leaving the country because of undemocratic political and social conditions. The NGAIDP details how China seeks to address what it considers a strategic weakness in its AI plans. By prioritizing the ‘construction of a high-end talent team’ the PRC seeks to build a talent base both by improving its AI education system and by hunting for the ‘world’s top talent and young talent.’ It looks to achieve this through establishing personnel training centers, research collaborations with the world’s top AI research institutions, getting technical advice from international top AI talents, support for academic exchange overseas and technical exchanges, and using talent plans such as the “Thousand Talents” plan. The Action Plan notes that “By 2030, colleges and universities will become the main force behind building the world’s main AI innovation centers and will lead the development of a new generation AI talent pool to provide China with the scientific and technological support and guaranteed talent to put it at the forefront of innovation-oriented countries.” In light of this, institutions of higher education are encouraged to adapt their curricula to be responsive to cutting-edge developments in global science and technology, create additional AI-related majors that address industrial demand nationally and regionally, cross-integrate professional education for AI with other disciplines, and create world-class teaching materials.

Influence global standards and governance: China is no longer content to take directions and follow the rules on AI made by its Western counterparts. Instead, it now longs to be actively involved in participating and even leading the formulation of international standards on AI. The PRC noted in the NGAIDP that it will take a more active part in the global governance of AI. China looks to focus on studying major problems common to the international community, such as robot alienation and safety supervision, and improve its collaboration with other countries to develop AI laws, regulations, and international rules to “jointly cope with global challenges.” The PRC hopes to support its homegrown AI enterprises to participate or lead in the development of technical standards internationally, even as they promote their AI products and services overseas. The Action Plan also documents the role of China’s education plan in influencing international standards and regulations. By encouraging and supporting Chinese scholars to occupy influential positions in international academic organizations and actively take part in drafting international AI regulations, the PRC believes it can influence many international AI spaces with Chinese initiatives and standards. Finally, the Internet+ Plan expressed China’s plan to support its relevant departments, research institutions, standardization organizations, industry organizations, and enterprises to be actively involved in setting international AI standards, working with the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) among others, to put in place mechanisms for standards exchange and cooperation. The PRC did not mince words about its intent for doing all these: “We will promote the export of Chinese AI standards to the wider world and continuously enhance our international clout.” Obviously, China is fully out to rewrite the rules.

Understanding China’s game plan can help other actors in AI developments and governance generally prepare and respond adequately. It is imperative that the world keeps an eye on China seeing that it is very motivated to lead in the new era of Artificial Intelligence and whatever China does can affect us all.

https://pacforum.org/publications/yl-blog-87-how-china-plans-to-rule-the-world-in-artificial-intelligence/

norman

8th September 2025, 09:51

Whitney Webb provides the best perspective on what has gone before. What is yet to come is up for debate, but at least we can probably agree that the overlords' schemes are becoming more transparent...

But is Trump's war against the overlords, . . . .
Your proposition would have to pre-suppose that the overlords have done with the sub-cartels and are ready to throw them all under the train.
That's a 50/50 call, in my own schema, for now, but I'm open to being educated and better informed.

Does she ever delve into the 5th generation warfare 'elephant in the room' ?

e.g. has she ever interviewed Boone Cutler or otherwise incorporated the topic into her intellectual furnace.

In 2023, Courteney Turner interviewed (talked over and interrupted too) Boone Cutler [co author with General Flynn of 2 books about 5th gen warfare]. I've just been re listening to it and my general level of optimism lifted a few notches.by seeing the situation we are in through those eyes. It seems much more winnable that way. Tec' is just Tec', it's the mind control that makes it so dangerous (and evil).

Courteney, for me, is similarly frustrating and tedious to listen to as Whitney is but Boone cuts through it quite well and delivers an adequate comprehension of the situation in a way that we can really get our teeth into and deal with it at all levels, not just hanging around for celebrities to do stuff or bluff stuff or spin more shiny head glitter.

Courtenay Turner - 309 - Boone Cutler - A.I & 5th Generation Warfare (https://podbay.fm/p/the-courtenay-turner-podcast/e/1695085885?t=25)
1 hour 10 minutes - Sep 19, 2023

Show notes
In this episode, Courtenay invites author, radio talk show personality, and combat war veteran, Boone Cutler, to the show to discuss his latest book The Citizen’s Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare. If you’ve been following the U.N. 100 and fear the A.I. takeover agenda, this episode is a must-listen. Boone breaks down 5th generation warfare tactics that target psychological programming. Through tech-initiated stages of polarization, as well as its goal to attack critical thinking and humanity as a whole, it seems like a hopeless war. But it’s not all doom and gloom! Boone shares how we can disarm Big Tech and instead use it to our advantage.

Episode Resources:

Propaganda by Edward Bernays

https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598

The Citizen’s Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare by Boone Cutler & Lt. General Michael Flynn

https://www.amazon.com/Citizens-Guide-Fifth-Generation-Warfare/dp/B0BN79NWZF

Connect with Boone:

Website:

http://www.boonecutler.com

onawah

13th September 2025, 02:19

Dark Coverups are Exposed

Brutal Mayhem in China as Dark Coverups are Exposed - #280
The China Show
368K subscribers
Scheduled for Sep 12, 2025 4PM CST

"Something is very wrong in China as multiple poisonings strike schools, the economy tanks, and sheer vehicular chaos takes over the streets. Also, so much more."

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(Starting at 1 hour 25 minutes into the video, Matt & Winston focus on CCP propaganda, why it's so dangerous, and wonder aloud as to why more people are not aware of what a threat the CCP has become, especially to the US. )
Lots more coverups discussed in this episode as well.

Vicus

13th September 2025, 19:06

Clearly anti...masquerade meme... maybe funny too...

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onawah

18th September 2025, 20:27

Tibetans feel stifled, asphyxiated by tide of Chinese propaganda memes
Report IANS
27 Aug 2025
https://www.thehansindia.com/news/international/tibetans-feel-stifled-asphyxiated-by-tide-of-chinese-propaganda-memes-report-1001034https://www.thehansindia.com/news/international/tibetans-feel-stifled-asphyxiated-by-tide-of-chinese-propaganda-memes-report-1001034

"Lhasa, a holy pilgrimage city, was temporarily transformed to resemble Beijing, turning the Patola parade ground into a mini Tiananmen Square, where authorities observed and monitored every assembled citizen during the recent visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to central Tibet, a report cited on Wednesday. It stated that the Chinese President, during the visit, highlighted China’s efforts to modernize Tibet with "Chinese characteristics".

According to a report published by Stockholm-based Institute for Security and Development Policy (ISDP), Beijing attempted to reassure itself that it is succeeding in winning the hearts and minds of the Tibetans by staging grand patriotic displays to convince top leaders of their success. However, it said, the efforts remain forced and misleading due to China's rigid governing style.

At Potala Palace in Tibet, while welcoming Xi Jinping, the military band played music and the Tibetans waved red flags and “khatag scarves". The flag was unfurled, the national anthem played, while the crowd sang with fast-moving shots capturing the scene in full display.

"These outbursts of spontaneous joy at seeing the Core Leader remind us that China sees Tibetans as backward, simple folk, who break into joyful dancing just like that. Nothing to do with choreography and repeated rehearsals. This spectacular enlisted 20,000 participants, trained to simulate spontaneity on cue. At no other time would the party-state allow 20,000 Tibetans to gather on the streets and square immediately below the Potala; any genuinely popular gathering would be swiftly declared a threat to national security,” wrote Gabriel Lafitte, who spent years living with Tibetans, in exile and in Tibet, wrote in ISDP.

The report stated that previously, in March 2025, new regulations came into effect across Lhasa and Tibet Autonomous Region prefectures, further restricting Tibetan culture and language. These regulations, issued at least once a year, dictate how Tibetans of central Tibet should behave, and with each set of rules, the punishments become increasingly detailed.

“Do Tibetans believe China is building in Tibet a united, prosperous, civilized, harmonious, and beautiful new socialist modernity? Does that fit their daily experience? This is popularly known as gaslighting, an unending campaign of controlling the minds and thoughts of others,” said the Australia-based writer.

"China’s reliance on top-level design to translate its frontier construction theory into a menu of actions has resulted in a dead end. Far from master planning Tibet’s transition into embracing a new identity, as loyal Chinese citizens, the counterproductive outcome of intensifying pressure is the deepening of Tibetan dismay at the relentless intrusion of China’s slogan jargon into every aspect of life. Tibetans feel stifled, asphyxiated, cancelled by the tide of propaganda memes they must memorize, repeat, and perform, whenever required," noted Lafitte who researches the impacts of Chinese policies on the Tibetan Plateau and regularly trains young Tibetan professional environmentalists and advocates. "

https://www.thehansindia.com/news/international/tibetans-feel-stifled-asphyxiated-by-tide-of-chinese-propaganda-memes-report-1001034

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Congressman says TikTok serves as Chinese ‘weapon’ sowing discord among young Americans
By Anthony Man
aman@sunsentinel.com | South Florida Sun Sentinel
September 16, 2025
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2025/09/16/congressman-says-tiktok-serves-as-chinese-weapon-sowing-discord-among-young-americans/

"TikTok is not the benign source of entertainment and information that its audience of young fans believe they’re getting, Congressman Jared Moskowitz warns. Rather, he warns, it is a dangerous propaganda weapon that China is using to manipulate public opinion and divide Americans.

The intention and impact are so great, Moskowitz said, that TikTok amounts to a large-scale psychological operations effort by China. “I want to be clear: I don’t want to ban TikTok. But you have to recognize it’s a psyops weapon.”

How the U.S. deals with it — changes could be announced imminently — is a “huge” part of “how we’re going to control how propaganda gets fed to the American people,” Moskowitz said.

The Broward-Palm Beach county Democrat discussed TikTok and other implications of social media on an episode of “The Chuck Toddcast” podcast that dropped earlier this month. His comments came before this week’s developments, with Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant suggesting a TikTok deal is in the offing.

Deadlines for TikTok’s owner, ByteDance, to sell its U.S. operations have come and gone before, with President Donald Trump granting multiple postponements. Trump issued another extension on Tuesday.

Trump has gone from a fierce critic of TikTok — he tried to shut it down in his first term — to a champion of the popular service. Trump reversed his position during his 2024 campaign to return to the White House.

Moskowitz comes to his views about TikTok and other social media platforms as an admittedly prolific user of social media himself — and as a father of two elementary-aged children he wants to protect from detrimental effects of social media platforms.

The congressman said his views on TikTok are more than simply his opinion. “There’s a reason why I’m not allowed to have it on my official devices,” he said.

TikTok didn’t respond to questions about Moskowitz’s comments. On a “myths vs. facts” page on its website, TikTok said the assertion that it “manipulates content in a way that benefits the Chinese government or harms American interests” is a myth. It countered the content manipulation allegation with “Fact: TikTok is an entertainment app. The content on TikTok is generated by our community. TikTok does not permit any government to influence or change its recommendation model.”

NBC News reported that an analysis of ByteDance ownership structure “argues that the company is deeply entangled with some of China’s major government propaganda organs.” TikTok said its parent company was “founded by Chinese entrepreneurs,” but isn’t headquartered in China and that CEO and board members don’t live in mainland China. Some of the board members are American, it said.

Moskowitz said other countries recognize the dangers of TikTok, citing India’s banning of the app.

And China doesn’t expose its citizens to the version of the app deployed in the U.S., he said. ByteDance operates a different subsidiary, Douyin, with similar vertical short videos in China. “China’s TikTok is not our TikTok,” Moskowitz said. “Theirs is an educational program. So they’re making their kids smarter, they’re making our kids dumber. They’re feeding our kids false information.”

TikTok labeled it a “myth” that “Douyin offers educational content, limits screen time, and creates a positive experience for teens, while TikTok does not. Fact: Douyin and TikTok are separate apps that are run by separate teams and serve separate markets.”

The Pew Research Center reported in 2023 that 39% of adults under 30 said they regularly get their news from TikTok, compared to just 3% of those 65 and older. Among teens, 58% said they were daily users of TikTok.

“What they’re doing, because China thinks in (timeframes of) 100 years, 1,000 years. What they’re doing is getting us addicted, getting it attached, setting the seeds, getting it fully ingrained in society,” Moskowitz said.

He said TikTok users report they often “don’t check a second source” for information they see on the app. That allows China to use TikTok to shape young people’s opinions in “whatever direction” they want by promoting certain information and hiding other information.

For example, he said, TikTok amplifies videos about Israel’s conduct of the war in Gaza but suppresses videos about China’s oppression of the Uyghurs minority. “You ever hear about what the Chinese do to the Uyghurs on TikTok?” Moskowitz said. “Scrubbed from the platform, right? That’s how you do a psyops operation.”

Uyghurs in China are subject to atrocities, forced sterilization of young women, enforced separation of families, and detention of more than one million in detention and forced labor camps, according to the Institute for European, Russian and Eurasian Studies at The George Washington University and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Moskowitz isn’t alone on his views of TikTok. In 2024, U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Weston, described TikTok as “a horrific actor when it comes to the social media platforms.”

Congress, concerned that TikTok’s Chinese ownership makes it beholden to orders from that country’s government, voted overwhelmingly with bipartisan support in 2024 for a law that bans the app in the U.S. unless its parent sells TikTok to another company.

The contours of the latest possible deal haven’t yet been announced.

TikTok and some users sued to have the law overturned, arguing it was a violation of the First Amendment. A spokesperson said it amounted to “outright censorship of the American people.” But the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously upheld the law, concluding that “Congress has determined that divestiture is necessary to address its well-supported national security concerns regarding TikTok’s data collection practices and relationship with a foreign adversary.”

China’s position heretofore has been “interesting,” Moskowitz said. “They were like, ‘no, no, we’re not going to sell it and make billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars.’ They were like, ‘We’re going to close it. We’d rather shut it down.”

The reason is that the Chinese didn’t want to part with the app’s source code, Moskowitz said. “Because if we get the source code, we can see what they’ve been doing. That’s why,” the congressman said.

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U.S. Rep. Jared Moskowitz, a Broward-Palm Beach County Democrat, at a House committee hearing on July 22, 2024. He is warning about threats to the U.S. from the TikTok app. (Rod Lamkey, Jr./Associated Press)

Moskowitz said his concerns aren’t confined to TikTok.

“Don’t get me wrong. Twitter or X is also a cesspool of hate and garbage,” he said. But that platform “at least” has the “community notes” feature, which TikTok doesn’t.

Community notes is a crowd-sourced program that allows users to add fact checks and other context to posts they find false or misleading.

Moskowitz said it’s hard for people to break the social media habit, himself included.

“It’s like trying to get a drug addict to stop taking drugs, right? We — we collectively, me included, so I’m not passing judgment on others — we are addicted to this,” he said, adding, “It’s tough to put the phone down. I deal with it all the time, trust me, I’m doom scrolling on Twitter too much.”

Still, he said, “trying to protect the kids” is essential.

“We all know what’s not good for 12-year-olds and 13-year-olds,” he said. He endorsed age-verification policies implemented by some states to control access to pornography. “Age verifications are great,” he said.

“We have to start trying to protect our kids right from being just totally sold everything as soon as they get onto the internet.”

Moskowitz said it’s being left to parents “to figure out how do we protect our kids until they’re adults? How do we protect our kids from being targets from companies or foreign governments who are very active on all of these platforms.”

A solution requires action from Washington, Moskowitz said. He also said reaching an agreement on appropriate regulation is exceedingly difficult. Tech firms are more powerful than the defense and health care industries, he said. “No question. They are 100% stronger.”

Moskowitz said his two young sons are “not on TikTok,” but are allowed on YouTube — with major parental oversight.

They can’t access the app in their bedrooms. “They’ve got to do it in the living room so I can at least hear some of the stuff.”

The boys are “getting pitched everything” when they’re on the app. At times he said he has had to “delete the app, try to reset the algorithms, try to clean it up.”

And, he said, his children are not allowed on during the week, just weekends. “That’s our rule in the house.”

But that doesn’t guarantee they’re not exposed to information parents don’t approve.

“Their friends are on it. I can’t keep them totally away from it. … They still learn stuff from other people, right? That’s stuff that’s not on their YouTube, but’s on their friends’ YouTube,” he said. “You can’t put your kids in a cocoon.” "

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China’s Propaganda: Ludicrous, Malicious, Extremely Effective
Hoover Institution
By: Gordon G. Chang
May 5, 2021
https://www.hoover.org/research/chinas-propaganda-ludicrous-malicious-extremely-effective

"“So let me say here that, in front of the Chinese side, the United States does not have the qualification to say that it wants to speak to China from a position of strength,” said China’s top diplomat, Yang Jiechi, to Secretary of State Antony Blinken and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, at the now-famous showdown in Anchorage in the middle of March.

Yang’s words, part of a long tirade, were immediately amplified by Chinese state and Communist Party media. His comment was carried for weeks, first by reporting and then by analyses. Foreign commentators picked up the storyline that the Americans in Alaska were taken by surprise, thereby giving credence to Beijing’s narrative of Chinese strength. It appears that Yang’s initial rant and its coverage were planned well in advance. Blinken and Sullivan, in short, were ambushed.

Is Chinese propaganda effective in enhancing Beijing’s strategic objectives? The answer, evident from this tactically brilliant and seamless operation, is “yes.”

“China controls the most expansive, heavily resourced, and sophisticated propaganda capabilities available to any regime in history,” Kerry Gershaneck, author of the recently released Political Warfare: Strategies for Combating China’s Plan to “Win Without Fighting,” told Strategika. “This massive propaganda juggernaut has reaped tremendous benefits for China’s Communist rulers in pursuit of their strategic objectives. Through its state-run propaganda organs, United Front organizations, and foreign enablers, Beijing has been able to effectively shape perceptions globally, if not perfectly at least well enough for its purposes.”

In this case, Yang’s assertive comment, flaunting China’s rise, served Beijing’s most important foreign policy objective: maintenance of Communist Party rule at home. The comment was relayed to the Chinese people, with especially inflammatory commentary. Fei-Ling Wang of Georgia Tech points out in comments to me that China’s huge and well-funded propaganda effort has worked well in promoting the Party’s leadership.

Yang’s comment also served to intimidate foreigners. As Cleo Paskal of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies said to this publication, “Berating the U.S. delegation in Alaska served the propaganda purpose of showing smaller countries ‘look at what we are willing to do to the U.S. so imagine what we will do to you.’ ” Paskal says Beijing has been “increasingly shifting to a ‘fear us’ message.”

That message is usually presented these days in a U.S.-is-in-irreversible-decline packaging, implying, without subtlety, that countries can no longer rely on Washington for help.

The messaging works not only because of repetition but also because it feeds into existing perceptions of China’s—and America’s—different trajectories.

Chinese propaganda, of course, does not work as well when it tries to establish a narrative that seems false, but the propaganda does what China’s regime needs it to do. Take the matter of the origin of COVID-19. Beijing has been suggested—maliciously, without factual foundation—that the disease originated in the U.S. Army’s Fort Detrick, in Frederick, Maryland.

On February 23 of last year, People’s Daily, the Communist Party’s self-described “mouthpiece” and therefore the most authoritative publication in China, suggested the U.S. military spread the disease to Wuhan. The Fort Detrick narrative appeared on WeChat, a popular Chinese social media platform, on March 9, and from there the story spread fast inside China.

“When did patient zero begin in the US?” asked Zhao Lijian, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman, in a now-infamous March 12 tweet. “It might be U.S. army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan.” That and his 10 other tweets on March 12 and 13 were cited 99,000 times in at least 54 languages in the following six weeks, according to an Atlantic Council-Associated Press investigation. Criticisms of Zhao’s messages further spread the theory. The wide dissemination of the narrative created what the New York Post correctly called a “self-feeding cycle.”

China since then has, through social media and other means, given new life to the Fort Detrick theory. For instance, on March 31 of this year, after the World Health Organization mission to Wuhan released its report on the origin of the disease, foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying again raised the Fort Detrick theory, something she also talked about previously this year. China’s propaganda line may be ludicrous, but Beijing through social media and other means knows how to keep a story going.

As they say, quantity has its own quality. Gershaneck, now at Taiwan’s National Chengchi University, refers to “the sheer mass of the daily bombardment of Communist Party messaging through Chinese state-owned and co-opted foreign media.”

“Upright Voice Needed Globally Against Western Public Opinion Hegemony,” a Global Times headline from this April tells us. There is, in fact, no longer any Western “hegemony” in public opinion, if there ever was.

China’s giant—and effective—propaganda effort has seen to that. As Gershanek points out, “The democracies have abdicated the Information Battlefield to China for roughly three decades and are only recently beginning to recognize the egregious price they are paying for this failure.” "

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China's Scams Targeting Americans in Every Zip Code Must Be Stopped
Sep 08, 2025
By Mike Kuiken & Randy Schriver
https://www.newsweek.com/chinas-scams-targeting-americans-every-zip-code-must-stopped-opinion-2125122

"The American people are under attack. The frontlines don't look like battlefields, but rather a computer screen, a phone call, or a social media message. The bipartisan U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission recently completed a report that details how massive scam centers across Southeast Asia—many operated by Chinese criminal networks—are systematically robbing Americans of billions of dollars a year.

These are not one-off criminal operations. They are industrial-scale fraud factories that have turned digital deception into one of the world's most lucrative criminal enterprises—rivaling, and in some estimates surpassing, the global drug trade. According to our recent Commission findings, Americans lost over $5 billion to scams tied to these networks in 2024 alone.

The victims aren't faceless statistics. One Oklahoma couple lost more than $5 million—depleting life savings meant for retirement—while in Maryland, a single victim was bilked of over $3 million in just a few months, shattered by "pig-butchering" schemes involving false romance and crypto investments.

But these scam centers are not just about theft. They represent something more troubling: criminal enterprises operating with what the Commission found to be "implicit backing from elements of the Chinese government." Beijing tolerates these operations when they target Americans but cracks down when they harm Chinese citizens. Even more disturbing, the Commission concluded that China is "exploiting the problem" of these scam compounds to advance its own interests.

This selective enforcement fits a larger pattern. These operations thrive not just because of local corruption and weak enforcement, but because Beijing deliberately chooses permissive environments—embedding its proxies in handpicked, loosely governed enclaves often tied to Belt and Road investments. Whether it's the flow of fentanyl precursors, cyber operations, or now these scam networks, China consistently exploits grey zones—where harm to Americans carries little risk, but harm to Chinese citizens brings swift reprisal.

Behind these scams, according to the Commission's findings, Chinese crime syndicates have aligned themselves with Beijing's geopolitical agenda. These groups promote pro-Beijing propaganda, support Belt and Road Initiative projects, and echo Chinese patriotic rhetoric. In return, they often operate with little interference and sometimes even strategic utility to the state. The Commission's analysis suggests this represents a form of indirect statecraft—one that helps China expand its influence, corrupt its neighbors, and undermine U.S. interests, all while denying responsibility.
The Commission's findings place these scam operations within a broader pattern of Chinese state behavior. This isn't about cataloging unrelated grievances—it's about recognizing a consistent strategy. Just as Beijing has tolerated the flow of fentanyl precursors that poison American communities while cracking down on domestic drug problems, it has allowed criminal networks to target American victims while protecting Chinese citizens. The pattern is consistent: activities that harm the United States operate with minimal interference, while those affecting China face swift action. Whether through cyber operations, intellectual property theft, or now these scam centers, China exploits grey zones that provide strategic advantage while maintaining deniability.

This isn't about politics—it's about national resilience. Americans deserve to know how foreign adversaries are targeting them, not just through traditional means, but through criminal networks and digital manipulation. Law enforcement, financial institutions, and the tech sector all have roles to play in tightening the screws on these scam centers, but we also need a clear-eyed understanding of the state-level strategy behind them.

At the same time, recent efforts by the Trump administration to streamline the State Department and USAID—including sharp staff cuts and program consolidations—raise important questions about institutional focus. These changes may be driven by efficiency, but they also risk sidelining long-term threats like this one. Protecting Americans from transnational cyber-enabled fraud should remain a diplomatic, development, and law enforcement priority—not a casualty of reorganization.

The Commission's report makes one thing clear: The United States is not just dealing with criminals. We are dealing with a system of exploitation that serves the interests of an authoritarian state that sees chaos abroad as leverage at home.

The American people are not passive victims. But we do need to wake up to the nature of the threat. Scam centers may look like low-level crime, but they are something far more serious: a quiet front in a much broader conflict.

We can't afford to navel-gaze while innocent Americans watch their retirement savings, college funds, and life savings hoovered up out of their bank accounts by criminal syndicates that the Commission's report documents as operating with geopolitical backing. As the Trump administration continues to negotiate trade deals and engage with China, shutting down these scam centers must be part of the conversation.

Mike Kuiken is a commissioner on the bipartisan U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission and a distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

Randy Schriver is the vice chair of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission and chief executive officer of the Institute for Indo-Pacific Security (IIPS). "

onawah

20th September 2025, 00:15

China is Calling TikTok Deal a Win
Trump, Xi current negotions re TikTok
Starting at 1 hour 27 minutes into the video
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And lots more about how what China says doesn't match with what it actually does toward the end starting at 1 hour 35 minutes.

sdv

21st September 2025, 02:54

Tik Tok has been bought by fanatical Zionist Israel supporters. That is why the USA forced the owners to sell ... to control the narrative about Israel. Most if not all spyware used by the USA is developed in Israel.

However, I think the genocide in Gaza may be the elite using the deranged Zionists in Israel to send a message to the world: This is what we can do to you, and no one can stop us.

But others say that Israel is in a stage of desperation that is the beginning of the end for it.

But do not confuse Chinese people with the Chinese government. The country has a huge population and even if only 1% of the population are 'bad' that is a lot of people. And since China is strict about corruption and doing illegal stuff at home, they tend to go elsewhere to run their scams.

onawah

21st September 2025, 07:25

On the contrary, corruption is rampant in China, at every level.

And since China is strict about corruption and doing illegal stuff at home, they tend to go elsewhere to run their scams.

onawah

21st September 2025, 13:27

Imagining that China could now be a shining example of great achievement to the rest of the world is absurd, particularly in light of what the country went through very recently under the tyrannical fist of Mao, who set the example that the current tyrant Xi Jinping, is holding as his ideal.
Such an ordeal is not so easy to recover from.
All those highrise buildings decorated with neon lights may look very nice in the city night sky, but during the day when the thick grey air pollution is evident, the scene is not so enticing.
It's important to remember how shoddy the construction of those buildings is and the fact that much of the infrastructure in China is already falling apart soon after it is built.
...Not to mention the structures that the CCP builds in other countries.
It's all for show, not for substance; for the CCP, "Saving Face" is paramount.
But I see that CCP propaganda is once again taking hold here on the forum, which is very sad indeed.

The HORRIFYING Crimes of Mao Zedong's China *HARD TO STOMACH
Merciless History
Sep 16, 2025

"This compelling documentary provides a rigorous historical analysis of Mao Zedong's criminal regime in China (1949-1976), deeply focusing on the unprecedented scale of state-sanctioned violence, systematic crimes against humanity, and the comprehensive terror apparatus employed during his tyrannical rule.

⚠️ VIEWER WARNING: This video contains graphic and detailed historical accounts of extreme violence, mass murder, torture, sexual exploitation, and other horrific crimes against humanity. The content is presented strictly for educational, documentary, scientific, and artistic (EDSA) purposes, aiming to understand the historical context of these profound atrocities and prevent future occurrences, not to shock or incite. Viewer discretion is strongly advised.

For twenty-seven years, Mao Zedong's autocratic rule over China was defined by an unprecedented level of systematic criminality. From 1949 to 1976, his regime was notoriously marked by mass starvation campaigns, political purges, and systematic crimes that collectively resulted in the deaths of an estimated 70 million people - making him history's deadliest criminal. Behind his public persona as a revolutionary leader lay a truly sadistic tyrant, directly responsible for more deaths than Hitler and Stalin combined and the widespread violation of fundamental human rights across a quarter of humanity.

In this historical investigation, we delve into the dark and often suppressed history of Mao's criminal empire, meticulously examining documented evidence of his crimes against humanity. We explore the systematic nature of his criminal campaigns, including the Great Leap Forward mass starvation, Cultural Revolution torture programs, political purges, forced labor camps, and state-sponsored sexual exploitation. This is a critical historical study of the largest criminal enterprise in human history and the international community's complex struggle to acknowledge and respond to systematic state criminality. Our analysis thoroughly covers multiple crime categories, including mass murder, torture, sexual exploitation, and biological experimentation, which were integral to his oppressive and horrifying rule."

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Charlie Kirk Warned: Communist China Threatens America’s Way of Life
China in Focus - NTD
782K subscribers
Sep 11, 2025

"The assassination of Charlie Kirk raises alarm over free speech in America. Kirk often warned about communist ideology. What did he say about the Chinese Communist Party?

The Department of Health and Human Services posted on X, confirming that forced organ harvesting is still happening in China.

What’s behind the raid of a South Korean factory in Georgia, and how could it impact U.S.–South Korea relations? An expert weighs in.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un appears to have chosen his successor—his daughter, Kim Ju Ae. South Korean lawmakers said she accompanied him on a recent visit to China.

00:00 Intro
01:43 Charlie Kirk: Communist China Threatens U.S. Way of Life
07:36 HHS Confirms Forced Organ Harvesting in China
08:30 CBP, FDA Seize Record $86.5M in Illegal China E-Cigs
09:30 Raid Prompts S. Korean Workers to Leave U.S. Plants
11:07 S. Korean Factory Raid in Georgia Is Trump’s Warning: Tan
13:47 Taiwan Protects Undersea Cables Amid China Threats
16:43 What Are China’s ‘Gray Zone’ Tactics?
17:41 7 Chinese Sentenced for Trafficking in South Africa
19:08 N. Korea: Leader’s Daughter Likely Successor, Seoul Says
20:55 Communist-Led Nepal Faces Change After PM Oli Quits
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NO ONE is SAFE in CHINA: Fake Bricks, Fake Extinguishers, Ceiling Fall on Patients in Hospital Bed
China Spotlight
Sep 8, 2025

"A terrifying truth is being exposed: *no one is safe in China**. From crumbling **fake bricks* to collapsing ceilings, the nation's infrastructure is a grand illusion built on systemic **tofu-dreg projects**. This is what they don't want you to see.

This video compiles shocking, unfiltered footage from across China that officials don't want you to see: walls made of foam, structural steel "welded" with glue, fake fire extinguishers that don't work, and ceilings collapsing on patients in hospitals, students in classrooms, and families in their own homes.

We delve into the root cause: a system of malicious counterfeiting and corruption where whistleblowers are silenced, journalists are assaulted, and victims are intimidated. Finally, we expose how this deadly model is being exported globally through the Belt and Road Initiative, turning China's problem into the world's problem.

*TIMESTAMP:*
00:00 - The Grand Illusion: China's Counterfeit Construction
01:25 - The Betrayal of Trust: Ceilings Collapse in Hospitals & Schools
04:05 - The Ground Gives Way: Sinkholes Swallow Cities
06:10 - Infrastructure Built to Fail: Highways & Bridges Crumble
08:20 - The Code of Silence: Whistleblowers Threatened & Journalists Assaulted
10:15 - Exporting Disaster: The "Tofu-Dreg" Belt and Road Initiative

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22nd September 2025, 22:59

The CCP's social credit score system

It's quite well known there is a social credit system in China and has been for years, which means Jerm Warfare is either a shill (there are plenty of them, Pepe included) or very unobservant and undiscerning (plenty of those too).
Anyone who is putting out a lot of disinfo about how well the Uyghurs are faring in China is either a dupe or a shill.
The CCP makes sure such tourists as Pepe and Jerm see only what they want them to see, and certainly nothing about how poorly treated the Uyghurs are in fact, and how they are being used as primary sources of human organ replacement.
And if you think the facts about the SCS are not well documented, think again...

Also, the fact that this forum is currently (and frequently) being messed with by China also tells us something. See:
QUOTE=ThePythonicCow;1686230]Good thing I had a good nights rest. Unfortunately, the attackers did too, and woke up before I did.
Here's the current list of countries from which this attack is coming:

1 Albania
6 Argentina
1 Bolivia
32 Brazil
1 Burkina Faso
1 Chile
1 Colombia
2 Dominican Republic
3 Ecuador
1 El Salvador
2 Ethiopia
1 Germany
1 Honduras
1 Hong Kong
11 India
5 Iraq
1 Japan
2 Jordan
1 Kazakhstan
2 Kenya
2 Libya
1 Myanmar
1 Nicaragua
1 Oman
1 Pakistan
2 Peru
2 Poland
9 Saudi Arabia
2 South Africa
1 Spain
1 The Netherlands
1 Turkey
4 Türkiye
1 United Kingdom
5 United States
1 Uruguay
1 Venezuela

The number in the first column is a rough measure of how strong the attack is from servers in that country.
China is not on the list, because for the last week, almost the entire attack was directly from servers in China. But now that I've mapped out those servers on my blocklist, they've gone to "Plan B", using all their "rent-a-servers" around the rest of the planet.
The forum server will probably be a wee bit sluggish on and off, as this battle goes back and forth, behind the scenes.

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Here are some credible reports about the Social Credit System
(The best is last, but it will take a lot of time to get through.)

The Truth About China's Social Credit System
PolyMatter
1.93M subscribers
900,018 views Jun 16, 2023

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A Look Inside China’s Social Credit System | NBC News Now
NBC News
11.5M subscribers
1.4M views 6 years ago
"NBC’s Janis Mackey Frayer goes inside the factories making facial recognition scanners that track the movements and communities experimenting with China’s social credit system."

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Inside China’s “social credit” surveillance system
For The Record | FRONTLINE | PBS
19K views
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China Social Credit System Resistance
Sep 18, 2025
https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/good-morning-chd/china-social-credit-system-resistance/

(Starting at 23 minutes into the video, featuring Catherine Austin Fitts, one of the best, most credible whistleblowers ever.

"How does the credit score system work, and what does it have to do with the push for global control? In this installment of “Financial Rebellion,” hosts Catherine Austin Fitts and Carolyn Betts, along with their guest Reinette Senum, answer these questions in a way that is both easy to understand and motivating for action.
Resources
Dethroning Big Brother: China's Social Credit Rebellion Goes Viral:
https://reinettesenumsfoghornexpress.substack.com/p/dethroning-big-brother-chinas-social

The Fast-Approaching Digital Control Grid
https://solari.com/the-fast-approaching-digital-control-grid-a-checklist-of-trump-administration-actions-to-date/

Using the U.S. States’ Constitutional Powers to Preserve Sovereignty and Financial Freedom: How We Can Stop the Coup:
https://solari.com/using-the-u-s-states-constitutional-powers-to-preserve-sovereignty-and-financial-freedom-how-we-can-stop-the-coup-pdf-now-available/

I Want to Stop CBDCs – What Can I Do?:
https://solari.com/i-want-to-stop-cbdcs-what-can-i-do/

Financial Transaction Freedom:
https://solari.com/financial-transaction-freedom-2/

How China's Digital Yuan Works:
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A Look Inside China’s Social Credit System | NBC News Now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cGB8dCDf3c

What is Programmable Money?:
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/what-is-programmable-money-20210623.html

The GENIUS Act and Its Implications for Financial Transaction Freedom
https://solari.com/the-genius-act-and-its-implications-for-financial-transaction-freedom/

Cash & Constitution Halloween Pushback
https://solari.com/take-action-promote-cash-and-the-constitution-this-halloween/
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From Jerm Warfare
There is no social credit score in China.
I’m in Shanghai and nobody knows what it is.
There is a credit score, but most countries have that. For example, commit a crime and you might struggle getting a home loan. Or lose points if you have too many road violations.
https://x.com/RealJermWarfare/status/1968235941304414661