What is NOT happening in China

[syrwong]

I hate to write this thread, but this must be done in response to caymen's thread "Anyone interested in what's happening in China?"

The thread generated much interest by saying that a report in the official Chinese newspaper, the People's Daily suggested an alien invasion is possible -- an opinion written in the last paragraph by the reporter Li JingWei, and in the headline of the webpage. This must ring the bell of being quite improbable. The brief report was on the disclosure of the New Zealand government of past UFO files, with an extra paragraph mentioning Pine Gap. Very basic stuff. No talk of hostility or intention of the aliens. How would the reporter suddenly say an invasion is possible and making it the title?

The reason is simple, he didn't. While the link to the PDF page is genuine, is identical to the report in the People's Daily, the other link to a webpage of "http://world.people.com.cn/GB/13567407.html" is very fishy. The People' net, www.people.com.cn, surely is the government's official net. But it relayed that newspaper report in ANOTHER sub-webpage, the link of which can be followed easily from the main page. It is:

http://world.people.com.cn/GB/1029/13580692.html

This is headlined "Alien secret files aroused hot debate", same as the original newspaper title, and not "Aliens will possibly attack us human beings"
The real version did not mention Bob Dean. Besides reporting on the NZ disclosure, it mentioned "a claimed by an American website in Seattle on Exopolitics" about the "Pine Gap treaty" of building a secret Alien underground base in Pine Gap, Australia. That's all.

I don't know how to discern bogus websites, but the above search should convince members how easily you can be led to believe in BS. Didn't the thread also make heaps of collateral attack on the Chinese Government?

This is not to say that the Chinese Government is not making disclosures. UFO reports appear in Newspaper and TV news are abundant, but China is not telling its people to prepare for an alien invasion.

[jackovesk]

I hate to write this thread, but this must be done in response to caymen's thread "Anyone interested in what's happening in China?"

The thread generated much interest by saying that a report in the official Chinese newspaper, the People's Daily suggested an alien invasion is possible -- an opinion written in the last paragraph of the reporter Li JingWei, and in the headline of the webpage. This must ring the bell of being quite improbable. The report was mainly on the disclosure of the New Zealand government of past UFO files, how would the reporter suddenly claimed that?

What are you really trying to say syrwong?

Firstly, many of us appreciate Cayman's insight and honesty in what is really happening in China.

Secondly, I for one didn't even take any notice of some UFO disclosure plot! I like 99.9% of those that have posted on Cayman's thread "Anyone interested in what's happening in China" simply wanted to learn more about what is actually happening in China from someone that actually lives there!

Cayman, should be commended for the invalueable insight he has shared on what is really happening within a Country we all know little about!

Again, what is the point of your thread?:

[Transdimensional Bean Pod]

If you have disagreements on points of fact, and would like to bring those up with cayman, why not do so RESPECTFULLY on his original thread, instead of starting an entire new thread just to bash him?

He's a very reasonable person. This was uncalled for.

[syrwong]

What the Hell are you really trying to say syrwong?

Firstly, many of us appreciate Cayman's insight and honesty in what is really happening in China.

Again, what is the point of your thread?:


The point is, you cannot get to the link below given by caymen from the People's net website.

http://world.people.com.cn/GB/13567407.html

It has another page, the content of which is identical to the newpaper's report:

http://world.people.com.cn/GB/1029/13580692.html

And if you search for the reporter's all reports from the main page of the People's net, you get all his reports, and the Alien report in the latter page, but you don't get the former page. Therefore the conclusion is, the page is not genuine.

The report in the page given by caymen had additional 3 paragraphs. The possibility of an alien invasion was a remark by the reporter in the last paragraph, and it had no relationship to the content (which was almost entirely on NZ's recent release of its UFO files). The out of content remark, plus a reporter particularly from official China press , doesn't do such a thing, means you are seeing a bogus webpage. Of course, I guess you don't read Chinese, it may not matter too much to you.

[syrwong]

If you have disagreements on points of fact, and would like to bring those up with cayman, why not do so RESPECTFULLY on his original thread, instead of starting an entire new thread just to bash him?

He's a very reasonable person. This was uncalled for.

I believe it is disinformation. It would be great to lead the Avalon members to believe China is all the way with Project Blue Beam . I need to clarify that there is no such evidence. I don't trust caymen's motive and therefore want this thread to standout.

[Shezbeth]

My parents got back from China on a cruise about 6 months ago. They never saw a single elderly person. Not one. So significant was this that my mom asked the tour guide "Where are all the grey haired people" (her command of chinese is poor). The tour guide replied that they were in the country, in communes. Yet, days later when they visited the country and passed by several communes,... they STILL didn't see any elderly. Again she asked, and again she was told that they were in communes in the country. My mom (bless her) is one who takes the official story and runs with it. She's ordinarily not skeptical of authority (works for the franchise tax board, a subsidiary of the IRS), but by the time they left SHE was feeling that something wasn't right and that there was something amiss.

[conk]

My parents got back from China on a cruise about 6 months ago. They never saw a single elderly person. Not one. So significant was this that my mom asked the tour guide "Where are all the grey haired people" (her command of chinese is poor). The tour guide replied that they were in the country, in communes. Yet, days later when they visited the country and passed by several communes,... they STILL didn't see any elderly. Again she asked, and again she was told that they were in communes in the country. My mom (bless her) is one who takes the official story and runs with it. She's ordinarily not skeptical of authority (works for the franchise tax board, a subsidiary of the IRS), but by the time they left SHE was feeling that something wasn't right and that there was something amiss.

See, it's already started. The aliens are eating the old people.

[fifi]

I came from a communist country, and cayman's reports resonate with me very much. You will not find any info in cayman's reports in any Chinese official media, as they are totally controlled by the Chinese government. Cayman really shows what the people think, but dare not speak, as is common in a communist/dictatorship country.

[fifi]

See, it's already started. The aliens are eating the old people.

It's not that, Conk. From my own experience, the communist government keeps a close watch on the people who have access to or contact with foreigners, as they don't want foreigners to know what really happens there. They want outsiders to know only from what they publish from official media. When I was still in my communist country, if what you speak to a foreigner is out of line, you can expect a visit from the police at night.

[str8thinker]

Be careful about taking Chinese tabloid press statements at face value. Both here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China&p=103678&viewfull=1#post103678) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11795-Chinese-National-TV-reporting-impending-UFO-ET-disclosure-by-Obama-government-Contin&p=103667&viewfull=1#post103667) are reports quoting allnewsweb.com, known to be a disinfo site.

[JoshERTW]

If you have disagreements on points of fact, and would like to bring those up with cayman, why not do so RESPECTFULLY on his original thread, instead of starting an entire new thread just to bash him?

He's a very reasonable person. This was uncalled for.

I didn't see this as bashing - sure the title of the thread is suggestive but I didn't detect any outright hostility in syrwong's post. Seems like he's just doing his detective work.

I don't think he's accusing Cayman of purposely misleading anyone (and neither am I)

Lets just cool our jets people - disagreements are an important part of building consensus

[Anchor]

There is room for both threads surely ?

Since most of us do not speak Chinese and cannot navigate the Chinese media - we are going to need as much help as possible.

[cayman]

Hi, srywong
I'm very appreciate for your suspicion and happy to see that you actually dig into the materials. If you are not a Chinese, your Chinese is very good, I'm happy to have someone check the stuff I wrote.

First, my point of the "Chinese version of project blue beam" is: the most important newspaper in China actually talk about "Aliens files" in its "Critical news" section, that's something very unusual. If you do know something about the "People Daily", wouldn't you agree?

Second, your major argument is: the link I put in my post is a "bogus webpage", right?
Okay, let's see, my link about the article titled with "Aliens might attack human" is this: http://world.people.com.cn/GB/13567407.html, which is published on the website on Dec 23th
And the link you think genuine is the article with the title "Alien secret files aroused hot debate" is this: http://world.people.com.cn/GB/57507/13581162.html it was published on the website on Dec 26th, exact the same day and same article with the same title being published in the newspaper, the actual printed paper in PDF format is this:http://paper.people.com.cn/rmrb/page/2010-12/26/03/RMRB20101226B003.pdf
the same website article can be found under the reporter name "Li Jing Wei" ,his article collections link is here: http://www.people.com.cn/GB/other3983/4019/index.html
But we can't find the link I gave in his collections, right? that lead you the conclusion that my motive is not benevolent, is that correct?
All right, let's go further, open the main-page of "People Daily" website: http://www.people.com.cn/ on the top of the website, there is an articles search engine blank, you copy and paste this “外星人”可能袭击人类 ---that mean Aliens might attack human, and you click the the word 站内搜索 means "search within the website" right beside the search blank , then you got the search result, 3 results exact the same article as I first post with the same title “外星人”可能袭击人类 may be a lot of people don't know Chinese, but the basic internet surf skill can do it. the result is clear
so, you see, I don't have the ability to set up a bogus website like this, therefore, I'm not trying to mislead anything about this article
but you do point out a very interesting point which I haven't notice before, why the article titled with "Aliens might attack human" didn't list into the same reporter's collection? instead, a shorter version with different title "Alien secret files aroused hot debate" got list? Clearly, it is not a mistake, if it is , the article with more frightening title and content would be removed very soon, instead, it stay in a less obvious corner, waiting for you to find. I would say that create a more complex plausible confirm/deny possibility, that is the beauty. and now, your confrontment to me is a vidvid proof

Thank you very much for bring this up, I'm grateful, now I learn more, that is the exact point of my thread: I want to learn more from you

by the way, my name is cayman, not caymen

[JoshERTW]

That's what I was talking about Cayman - always good to see responsible and mature debate

[cayman]

It's not that, Conk. From my own experience, the communist government keeps a close watch on the people who have access to or contact with foreigners, as they don't want foreigners to know what really happens there. They want outsiders to know only from what they publish from official media......

I second that!

[syrwong]

Thank you for your prompt and detailed explanation. I apologize for misspelling your name. No doubt I am Chinese, as easily given away by my nickname. You are also very good with your English, knowing a lot more slangs than I. Just be careful not to constantly omitting the third person singular.

Following your way, yes, I could get the article from the People’s net. Therefore it is a genuine piece inside the People’s net. But allow me to be more inquisitive, besides searching with the vital keywords, ‘attack’, ‘aliens’, how else can you access this report? How does an average Chinese, even one wanting to know alien facts, know of its existence? If it is almost inaccessible, it is not disclosure. Please tell me from where it is linked, and how you first got it.

Our attention should be to the official press’s report. The original report was on the 3rd page of People’s Daily, however mild, it still was a disclosure of the genuineness of UFO. The report’s particular point is many countries (listed) have made disclosures. It is like the government is telling the people: UFOs are real, go dig for them yourselves. I believe this is what the government is willing to do at the moment, nothing like PBB.

[Icecold]

Denmark, cheese.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China&p=100622&viewfull=1#post100622


Thank you for your correction! now I dig more and find out, the similar story came out way back 2007. link:http://it.sohu.com/20070522/n250148301.shtml . at that story they plan to lauch it in 2009. but the story is somekind of self-talking type, no offical confirm. didn't sprea wide and not so official as the scale as the recent annoucement.

[Tangri]

Syrong,
How come you can open a Thread since you have 8 posts?

[bluestflame]

cayman: another possible reason is your internet activities have not gone unnoticed and subtle little movements and adjustments all around

[syrwong]

Be careful about taking Chinese tabloid press statements at face value. Both here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China&p=103678&viewfull=1#post103678) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11795-Chinese-National-TV-reporting-impending-UFO-ET-disclosure-by-Obama-government-Contin&p=103667&viewfull=1#post103667) are reports quoting allnewsweb.com, known to be a disinfo site.

Yes. That’s why they have a video of a Chinese TV ‘announcement’ saying that Obama is about to make UFO disclosure. That piece of video was just something from a regional TV tabloid show and was nothing of that nature. (The announcer reported an American tabloid website’s claim of Obama’s impending UFO disclosure, grinning a few times to remind the audience it was just for a laugh).

We all, particular the about-to-awaken/awakened ones, are facing a huge apparatus of misinformation/disinformation, so that the extra percentage of knowledge we fight so hard to acquire is reduced to nothingness. They have the resources to influence and control people of all walks of life. TV/news is enough for most, but the alternative media requires special treatment. Don’t overestimate our immunity to such attacks. Wouldn’t you agree?

[cayman]

......If it is almost inaccessible, it is not disclosure. Please tell me from where it is linked, and how you first got it.
......

It's a great question! I'm glad someone finaly ask! Actually, it was out of the open.
Here was the route: I first get this in my cellphone wap-message news service "Morning and Evening News" (新闻早晚报), it is an official news service provided by China Mobile (中国移动), no doubt this news service is under the control of government. And please bear with me: today, people usually like reading their mobile news service more than newspaper,especially "People Daily"----Mainly, 3 types of people would read that boring newspaper: government officers,conventional business men and retired people, very few young people would read that. Therefore, the "Morning and Evening News" is a modern and efficient way to tell the people what the government want you to know. it's like a new form of "People Daily", and keep that in mind:China Mobile is the major one of the only two mobile service companies in China, it is much bigger than other one, it cover over at least 600 millions cellphone users in China, and it is state owned.
so, I read it on Dec 26th 2010, morning. its original word is this:
"外星人"文件公开成风潮

==================

近年来，美国、英国、法国、俄罗斯、巴西、菲律宾等国家先后公布了有关“外星人”的秘密文件。新西兰军方日前则公开了数百份有关外星人和不明飞行物(UFO)的秘密文件。据悉，北美防空联合司令部有5万份、美国空 军相关机构有1.3万份有关“外星人”的文件尚待公布；美澳合作在澳大利亚的松树谷建立了地下“外星人”基地，实施“人类-‘外星人’空间计划”。(人民网)

source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4e5ff1010100nsf4.html
and where I find that source above?
----search 手机早晚报 外星人基地 in google.cn

Back then , I just can't believe that was actually on the news. So I search this word in goole.cn: 外星人基地 人民网 (Alines base people net), and bang! you got the result. the link I first gave is actually on top of the second link syrwong gave, in google, that means more reading and quote with the link webpage

how many people actually read that news? Conservatively, I would say 100 millions?

oh, syrwong, could you do me a favour? 'cause your translation is very good. would you translate the above Chinese news into English? of course, only when you feel it is genuine

Friends, when you see the translation of the last sentence in that flash news, you will understand why I'was shocked

[fifi]

Hi Cayman,
You are very brave. I would not dare to post here if I were still in my communist country. Take care and be careful. On the other hand, I appreciate very much your information.

[cayman]

.......
Our attention should be to the official press’s report....... The report’s particular point is many countries (listed) have made disclosures. It is like the government is telling the people: UFOs are real, go dig for them yourselves. I believe this is what the government is willing to do at the moment, nothing like PBB.

Didn't I wrote "prep work for Chinese version of Project Blue Beam" If there are UFO, there are Aliens, right? so,the basic logic is : they could be our friend or our enemy, right? and there is an earlier very relative article just suggested: they might attack us. ----isn't that count for a word "Preparation"
And I'm sure you know that the "People Daily" just did that for entertainment,right? Gosh, I just hope they did. and I wish I'm proved to be wrong

I hope you don't take that as judgemental or condemnatory. After all, we all come here for truth and enlightenment.

disinfo/cover-up/lies might blind people's eyes and confuse their mind. but people have a heart, and the heart can only resonate with truth and light---I hold that dearly in my heart

[syrwong]

I can see that the news service provided by China Mobile gives only the brief outline of the news. I wonder if many young people subscribe to the service, when the newspapers in China are very cheap (1RMB) and voluminous.(and selling well)

So the news message which you have kept outlined the original report (vs the expanded version) in a few sentences. Since it contained the words ‘alien base’ and ‘Peoples’ Net’, it was natural for you to do a Google search and found the expanded version on top of the original version. I just tried that, indeed, you were right, your link on top of the original link. I wonder if you actually caused its popularity. You see, if only half of the readers of the thread clicked it, it would receive 2500 hits. Both reports are not popular in China, since some 66% of Chinese use another search engine called Baidu (only 21% for the already pulled out Google), and when I searched with the same keywords using Baidu, I only found the original report appearing on the 3rd page, and the expanded report on the 4th page, because there were many more sensational stories on alien bases on People’s net. So if the Chinese government wanted a PBB, it did not work. It would have certainly done a lot more, but I would even dispute the intention.

I could do a translation of the 2 reports if members are interested, regardless of genuineness of the expanded version.

[Oldyella]

My parents got back from China on a cruise about 6 months ago. They never saw a single elderly person. Not one. So significant was this that my mom asked the tour guide "Where are all the grey haired people" (her command of chinese is poor). The tour guide replied that they were in the country, in communes. Yet, days later when they visited the country and passed by several communes,... they STILL didn't see any elderly. Again she asked, and again she was told that they were in communes in the country. My mom (bless her) is one who takes the official story and runs with it. She's ordinarily not skeptical of authority (works for the franchise tax board, a subsidiary of the IRS), but by the time they left SHE was feeling that something wasn't right and that there was something amiss.

Hello Shezbeth,
I visited China 3 time in the past 8 months, and your mum is pretty well right in what she said.
you don't see many grey haired old people. I asked the same qustion whilst i was there and was met with the same reply.
All the old people were out in the country.

[Tangri]

I can see that the news service provided by China Mobile gives only the brief outline of the news. I wonder if many young people subscribe to the service, when the newspapers in China are very cheap (1RMB) and voluminous.(and selling well)

So the news message which you have kept outlined the original report (vs the expanded version) in a few sentences. Since it contained the words ‘alien base’ and ‘Peoples’ Net’, it was natural for you to do a Google search and found the expanded version on top of the original version. I just tried that, indeed, you were right, your link on top of the original link. I wonder if you actually caused its popularity. You see, if only half of the readers of the thread clicked it, it would receive 2500 hits. Both reports are not popular in China, since some 66% of Chinese use another search engine called Baidu (only 21% for the already pulled out Google), and when I searched with the same keywords using Baidu, I only found the original report appearing on the 3rd page, and the expanded report on the 4th page, because there were many more sensational stories on alien bases on People’s net. So if the Chinese government wanted a PBB, it did not work. It would have certainly done a lot more, but I would even dispute the intention.

I could do a translation of the 2 reports if members are interested, regardless of genuineness of the expanded version.

Hi Syrwong,
Your translation would be appreciated .

[syrwong]

Hi Syrwong,
Your translation would be appreciated .

Title: New Zealand releases secret alien files sparkling hot debates in all circles

The New Zealand military released several hundred, 2000 pages classified documents relating to UFOs and aliens on the 22nd. Military personal, commercial airline pilots and the public described their first hand witnessing of aliens and UFOs in different places and at different times, vividly as if real.

Among the documents, some witnesses saw ‘pictures’ left behind by the UFO, said to be the text messages of the aliens. Some witnesses claimed they saw the aliens wearing ‘Pharaoh’s mask’. The incident described most by the documents was the appearance of two strange light beams above the Southern Islands in 1978, generally perceived to be emitted by UFO(s). A TV crew filmed the sighting from a plane. The news was the hot news of the time. However, the New Zealand Air Force explained in that report that the two beams were possibly a phenomenon of natural light reflection, possibly resulting from ship lights refracted by the clouds, or certain refraction of Venus.

Spokesman XXX (name cannot be reversed translated) for the NZAF said the NZAF was only collecting the information, and was unable to investigate these incidents, confirm the reports, or to comment on the reports.

Declassifying alien files appears to be a fashion. In recent years, NATO members Britain, France, Sweden, Denmark, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, Norway, Organization of American States members Mexico, Peru, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Ecuador, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations member nation The Philippines, as well as Russia and Switzerland successively released aliens secret files. NZ also followed the wave, its Minister of Defense Wayne Mapp announced as early as 23/1(/10) that its military department had made assessment of alien files and they would be ready for release. As a matter of fact, the US was one of the first countries to release their classified alien files. Since 1948, United States’ military intelligent agency sparingly disclosed some classified alien files to some private organizations. Presently, NORAD has 50000, USAF related departments have 13000 files relating to aliens still waiting to be released.

‘Alien files’ have sparked a great deal of speculations from those interested in UFOs. An American website in Seattle relating to interstellar politics has an article claiming that in 1999 the US and Australia signed “Pine Gap Treaty” under the framework of the ANZUS Treaty, which decided to build an underground alien base at Pine Gap, implementing “human-alien space program”. This alien base called “united space defense research facility” was built and run by the Australian Department of Defense and the Advanced Research and Planning Institute of the US Defense Department. The conditions of this “Pine Gap Alien Base”, like its staffs, facilities, operations and structures are highly secretive, and almost totally unknown. Allegedly, the staffs are mostly from NSA and its subsidiary departments, and the CIA.


The expanded version is identical to the original for the first 4 paragraphs. There are some additional details on dates for the fifth paragraph and translation is omitted. Then there are the two additional paragraphs.


Title: Aliens may attack humanity

(continued from above)

Former command sergeant major general of US army Bob Dean wrote: The Largest Security Facility of the NSA, also one of the largest Security Facilities in the world is at Pine Gap. That is really something. Actually, unknown to almost all, this facility is the biggest “Alien Facility” in the world”. He even described it like a fairy tale. He said that between the US and the Alien Base in Pine Gap there was a long distance transportation system, that was an instant teleportation system. With it the crews between both places can be quickly deployed. Dean said, “In speaking out the secrets I have kept for so many years, and finally I could reveal one or two real things I have seen, I feel so relieved. One is these is, at a facility underground in Nevada, my good Air Force Kernel friend entered one door in Nevada, two minutes later, he was already in Pine Gap.

Bob Dean did not clarify what kind of magic there was at the Pine Gap Alien Base. But, people perhaps may believe, it is entirely possible for humanity to be attacked by aliens.( Italics added)

(End of report)

I have the following suspicions with regard to the expanded version:

1. News reports don't usually venture too far off topic, not to say from an official news reporter from People's Daily. His quoting from Bob Deans, whose story is probably known mainly to Project A/C and UFO enthusiasts is very odd.

2. The remark of an alien attack is very out of context. There was the talk of cooperation with aliens, the implication is more toward friendly aliens. Why is there this sudden comment in the end? And making this comment the headline?

Unlike the original report, which appeared in newspaper, the access to the expanded report within the People's Net can only be by a Google search, not even a Baidu search (The most popular Chinese engine) suggests it could have been planted there, just for you eyes.

[bluestflame]

looking more closely at stargate series for hidden truths scriptwriters seem to have plucked out of the air

[Icecold]

Syrwong wrote:

I have the following suspicions with regard to the expanded version:

1. News reports don't usually venture too far off topic, not to say from an official news reporter from People's Daily. His quoting from Bob Deans, whose story is probably known mainly to Project A/C and UFO enthusiasts is very odd.

2. The remark of an alien attack is very out of context. There was the talk of cooperation with aliens, the implication is more toward friendly aliens. Why is there this sudden comment in the end? And making this comment the headline?

Unlike the original report, which appeared in newspaper, the access to the expanded report within the People's Net can only be by a Google search, not even a Baidu search (The most popular Chinese engine) suggests it could have been planted there, just for you eyes.

Q2. I think it is meant that true aliens are friendly, but there is an agenda in regard to "home made variety" ETs (at Pine Gap). That they will be used as the means to generate the false flag alien invasion scenario. I am attempting to interpret the text here....not my view.