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sister
27th January 2011, 18:56
Vertical Farming provides a sustainable solution to the problem of sufficient crop production primarily in areas where high land costs, volatile climates, poor soils, water restrictions or insect damage require the development of alternative farming techniques. These conditions are rapidly increasing globally. Large scale greenhouses, several stories high, can maximize the yield in each harvest in a smaller lot of land. Controlled, indoor farming will ensure proper use of recycled water, will require minimal pest control, and will promote the movement for locally grown organic produce.

Other Advantages of Vertical Farming:

Year-round crop production; 1 indoor acre is equivalent to 4-6 outdoor acres or more, depending upon the crop (e.g., strawberries: 1 indoor acre = 30 outdoor acres)

No weather-related crop failures due to droughts, floods, pests

All VF food is grown organically: no herbicides, pesticides, or fertilizers

VF virtually eliminates agricultural runoff by recycling black water

VF returns farmland to nature, restoring ecosystem functions and services

VF greatly reduces the incidence of many infectious diseases that are acquired at the
agricultural interface

VF converts black and gray water into potable water by collecting the water of
evapotranspiration

VF adds energy back to the grid via methane generation from composting non-edible parts of plants and animals

VF dramatically reduces fossil fuel use (no tractors, plows, shipping.)

VF converts abandoned urban properties into food production centers

VF creates sustainable environments for urban centers

VF creates new employment opportunities

We cannot go to the moon, Mars, or beyond without first learning to farm indoors on earth

VF offers the promise of measurable economic improvement for tropical and subtropical LDCs*. If this should prove to be the case, then VF may be a catalyst in helping to reduce or even reverse the population growth of *LDCs as they adopt urban agriculture as a strategy for sustainable food production. (*I think this means Least Developed Countries --sister.)

VF could reduce the incidence of armed conflict over natural resources, such as water and land for agriculture.

Please see this excellent website for further information and a cool vid:
http://www.verticalfarm.com/

sister
27th January 2011, 19:02
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/magickmama/vertical-urban-farming.jpg
This is a concept I really love. I can imagine places like Detroit with a thriving agricultural center replacing the old abandoned corporate buildings and factories.

seismorg
27th January 2011, 19:55
This may be of help to some < http://www.mygroponics.com/ >

TigaHawk
27th January 2011, 20:53
Mygroponics doesnt look like it can produce as much as say Hydroponics or Aquaponics purely because of the restricted growing space from all the pot stacking.

What i have wonderd, is if you take Aquaponics - say a well established fish pond and plants you have grown in the soil. Regularly scoop da poop from the fish tank and put it into a seperate holding container, just iwth more water and given a realy violent stirr up.

Mixing some half broken down compost into the fish poo bucket, so its a sludy soil composition, then chucking it on the plants.

Or perhaps doing something without composting the fish poo before chucking it on the plants? I'm unsure if the fish poo alone will proivde enough nutrients for the plants to grow off - ive allways believed it a mix of fish poop and bacteria that grows in the water becuase of the fish and plants like duckweed.


I've become very, very interested with sustainable farming as of late - currently, it looks like theres nothing better than Mother Nature and a good crop rotation.

Its praticly impossible to make a pure organic hydroponic nutrient, since organic = organic and not chemical, its harder to get essential balance of good and bad organicly, rather than chemically choosing.

Aquaponics seemed to have a better self-sustainability factor - but unless you had one hell of a weird property with a fresh source of water which fish can live in - again it wont be sustainable because of all the chemicals needed to keep the balance of water ph, bacteria and nutrients in check.



This is why i like that giant vertical farm thing that Sister linked. Just more land thanks to elevation where you can do farming however style you like. Heck the thing could probably produce power to powre its own hydroponics setup if you lined it with solar panels or uh... compost-methane-eating generators :)

Rocky_Shorz
27th January 2011, 21:41
thank you for starting this very important discussion...

when the controllers of our planet come to us and say... we give up there is no way to feed all of you...

We need to immediately start looking for answers...

I'm searching for info on simple desalination solutions for coastal cities for the day the lights go out...

if anyone has an idea, please start another thread to share with everyone...

Etherios
27th January 2011, 22:07
thank you for starting this very important discussion...

when the controllers of our planet come to us and say... we give up there is no way to feed all of you...

We need to immediately start looking for answers...

I'm searching for info on simple desalination solutions for coastal cities for the day the lights go out...

if anyone has an idea, please start another thread to share with everyone...

they dont say they cant feed us they say there is not enough space to grow food for all... and there is no economical way to support anything else ... so culling is the only option... silly us we should all obey our master and not "think"....

Rocky_Shorz
27th January 2011, 22:16
Well since the beginning when Charles mentioned the plans, I have been stopping by a local taco shop and getting avocado seeds walking out into a nature reserve and planting 33 a day...

I've already planted over 888 while so many have been seeking wisdom...

now is the time for action...

all those huge empty fields around our cities...

don't need to be empty.

SKAWF
27th January 2011, 22:18
good thread this, nice one

Sol Phoenix
27th January 2011, 22:33
I love guerrilla planting!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_gardening

A few pointers on how to build a seed bomb :)

Rocky_Shorz
28th January 2011, 00:20
that is a great link...

we can do it...


Later, on 1 July 1996, Have på en nat ("Garden in a night") was made by the Danish Økologiske Igangsættere ("Organic starters").

An empty piece of land in the middle of the city at Guldbergsgade in Nørrebro, Copenhagen, Denmark, was transformed into a garden in a single night. About 1,000 people took part in the project...

shybastid
28th January 2011, 04:16
I HEARD this company is making headways into Hydroponics and ALL the plastic they use is certified biodegradable in a landfill. Evidently, the microbe that is added to the plastic, breaksdown the plastic when it is exposed to high microbial envirenments in a landfill. The Company is launching worldwide and not only helps hydroponics grow better,helps regular gardens get more light down to the middle of the crop,giving it more light,thus higher yields.
http://globalgardenfriends.com/

http://www.ensobottles.com/FAQ/FAQ-BiodegradationBreakdown.html

:mod::cool: What a clevor Earth concious Company. Hope they do well.

delaware
18th February 2011, 17:33
thank you so much for this excellent idea, until now I´ve done the same but with flowers only

NinjaPhil
19th February 2011, 01:08
Ok I'll admit that I'm loving this concept. Farming in city areas and a completely out of the box approach - this is the kind of thinking we need to have going forwards.

Personally I love the pyramid vertical farm they have in there! Gotta wonder what unique things would happen growing crops inside a pyramid.