What the hell is going on here?

[Humble Janitor]

What happened to the Avalon that I remembered?

Is this Charles material some kind of role-playing much, much like Project Lightworker (Camelot)?

Catch me up to speed. I'm recovering from the extraction of 5 teeth.

[Richard]

Everything evolves HJ, grab a large coffee and go here and read http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?98-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-The-CHARLES-material
It has added to what we are, not replaced it.
Catchup should take you a week or two. have fun.

[seismorg]

[QUOTE=Humble Janitor;112082]What happened to the Avalon that I remembered?

Is this Charles material some kind of role-playing much, much like Project Lightworker (Camelot)?

Catch me up to speed.
What the hell is going on here?
Don't put a tooth in it.






Sorry could not resist it :-)

[str8thinker]

I've stopped contributing to any of the Charles threads until all the fuss dies down, or until his next live interview. I feel we are becoming a test bed for Charles and his minder(s), while they decide what to feed us next. If we're not careful, this may lead to the fragmentation of Project Avalon, despite Bill's best efforts, which may be exactly what Charles was originally asked to do.

[Arrowwind]

I've stopped contributing to any of the Charles threads until all the fuss dies down, or until his next live interview. I feel we are becoming a test bed for Charles and his minder(s), while they decide what to feed us next. If we're not careful, this may lead to the fragmentation of Project Avalon, despite Bill's best efforts, which may be exactly what Charles was originally asked to do.

Ditto here. Lots of spinning of wheels and no answers... I'll wait till something really substancial comes out of it that we don't already know cause why keep harping on what we already know? unless you are involved in a method to fix or educate... I guess you call this education but feels more like spinning of wheels to me.

[jorr lundstrom]

:brushteeth:

[HaveBlue]

What happened to the Avalon that I remembered?

Is this Charles material some kind of role-playing much, much like Project Lightworker (Camelot)?

Catch me up to speed. I'm recovering from the extraction of 5 teeth.

Don't sweat it. I had 5 out and then another 14. The 5 under a local but they gave me midazalam for the 14. That was fun.
You're just a bit 'testy' over it. You feel like you've been baseball batted in the face!
Maybe like me it is all because you didn't take good enough care of them when you were younger.

I should have my new full set of dentures next month. And the bill for it shortly afterwards. They don't mean to make you look all beaten up but we still have to pay them (alot) to treat us as such!
It is all for the best.

Did you know that tooth decay and dental problems generally is a modern thing? Old graves dug up show people had perfect teeth consistantly.
All to do with our modern diet- rubbish in other words. Good to see more people are aware of this. I can't save my teeth but my kids sure are aware of how early you can lose them in life if you choose.:o

[witchy1]

I'm recovering from the extraction of 5 teeth

Hiya, HJ :wave:-so you had them out at last! How are you feeling? Better I hope, I thought you were ony having a few removed???

Its been a tad busy round here of late, pleased you are back
W

[bennycog]

hey humble..

[Jonathon]

Hi HJ - yes got a bit crazy here over the past couple of weeks with the addition of the Charles material. Good luck on the catch-up! Gonna take a while =) Hope you are feeling better. Salt-water works =)

[Shezbeth]

fragmentation of Project Avalon

When a cell grows to a threshold, it divides.

[Humble Janitor]

I just think that people on here are being taken for a ride by this Charles material.

It's distracting us from the realities that face us, especially with the current weather. I'm normally against spreading doom but we should be concerned about the increase in cold weather and disruption of weather patterns.

Forming a new civilization can wait. We must attempt to repair the old one first.

[Shezbeth]

Forming a new civilization can wait. We must attempt to repair the old one first.

Might I suggest that a new civilization may be necessary in order to repair the old one?

[Otho]

And today's interloper may be tomorrow's humble janitor.
Cheers

[Shezbeth]

And today's interloper may be tomorrow's humble janitor.

And vice versa

[ascendingstarseed]

The inundation of new members swarming to the Charles material has also diminished the quality of information and responses to a certain degree...I stumbled on to the "Charles is gone" thread and they sounded like a bunch of groupies after a concert when the band leaves without signing autographs and they didn't get an invite to the after party! :fans:

I think people are placing way too much importance on this guy, it's has an almost messianic, guru feel to it at times...the "Cult of Charles aka Atticus" when his answers are usually vague, short and in double speak half the time. More people need to learn that all the answers to their questions come from within...

I agree HJ, the Charles material seems to be more of a distraction than anything, I've spent several hours reading posts and didn't learn anything new or of significance. Nothing that bears the importance of what's happening with the planet right now and how weather is causing hardship for millions of people, and will also lead to crop failure and famine in the months ahead.

[Nortreb]

This is a very unique exchange that we are experiencing here on this forum. From my view of the Junk Yard, we are in the process of clearing the Junk to make things more useful for everyone that wishes to participate consciously. This a time to evaluate everything especially our personal opinions of others.

The worship aspect that is viewed is a sign of the Junk that is present(Charles did not asked to worshipped) as well as the view that quality of interaction on the forum has diminished. These are a signs of the Junk that needs to be cleared and IT IS HAPPENING HERE!

It is my opinion, that Charles is providing this for those who have eyes to distinquish.

Peace

[Nagual]

What happened to the Avalon that I remembered?


unfortunately it's gone...
good or bad? only time will tell. ...

[Calz]

This is a very unique exchange that we are experiencing here on this forum. From my view of the Junk Yard, we are in the process of clearing the Junk to make things more useful for everyone that wishes to participate consciously. This a time to evaluate everything especially our personal opinions of others.

The worship aspect that is viewed is a sign of the Junk that is present(Charles did not asked to worshipped) as well as the view that quality of interaction on the forum has diminished. These are a signs of the Junk that needs to be cleared and IT IS HAPPENING HERE!

It is my opinion, that Charles is providing this for those who have eyes to distinquish.

Peace

Thank you

I would humbly offer (as a perceived newbie) that if we are to awaken the masses worldwide it will become more painful than this???

If we have a hard time with (perceived) slightly less awakened and aware ... then what are we to do with the rest (save hope for the 100th monkey effect)

[unplugged]

I think people are placing way too much importance on this guy, it's has an almost messianic, guru feel to it at times...the "Cult of Charles aka Atticus" when his answers are usually vague, short and in double speak half the time. More people need to learn that all the answers to their questions come from within....

Thank you for your excellent commentary. Pressing a "Thanks" button was simply too feeble an acknowledgment. There are few things more unsettling in life than seeing "Guru status "[in sense of spiritually enlightened teacher] awarded to any 3D form as FEW INDEED are worthy of such veneration.

"Guru Atticus" has a somewhat unappealing ring to it.

[1159]

What happened to the child of my youth
that I remember so fondly?

When I was that child, I longed for being an adult,
to have the freedom of choice and control of my destiny.
Now that I am that adult I long for my child,
to have that innocent vision of the future
that inspired my every step.

But I have come to this place
and this is a good moment ...

Everything changes.
We colour it in with good and bad,
with the 'should' and 'should not'
of thought and action

but all is a journey of evolution
towards knowing ourselves
of this one fleeting moment
and the meaning of why
we came.

[Mandala]

As ascendingstarseed stated about the groupies, the charles material was so consuming for so many, nothing else seemed to matter, no spiritual information, or much of anything else. I hope we can turn a corner and move forward. To me the most important thing was what Charles didn't say.

[Fred259]

I've stopped contributing to any of the Charles threads until all the fuss dies down, or until his next live interview. I feel we are becoming a test bed for Charles and his minder(s), while they decide what to feed us next. If we're not careful, this may lead to the fragmentation of Project Avalon, despite Bill's best efforts, which may be exactly what Charles was originally asked to do.

I agree str8thinker… so for the avoidance of doubt these are your sound words again….


"If we're not careful, this may lead to the fragmentation of Project Avalon, despite Bill's best efforts, which may be exactly what Charles was originally asked to do".

[pilotsimone]

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[Dragonfly]

Forming a new civilization can wait. We must attempt to repair the old one first.

This one is brilliant - I love it:drum:

[unplugged]

I have a sister-in-law who has the hardest time accepting when others don’t share her view. She just can’t stop herself. It completely baffles her in every way and she will do whatever it takes to sway the opinion of others. First she’ll attempt to reason with them. When that doesn’t take affect, she’ll fall into ridiculing (sound familiar, PA?). Then into the general tearing-down of those who don’t buy into her position.

I always wonder what she gets out of it. I wonder the same with some of you.

The need some of you have to control how others view the Charles material seems excessive. I've seen many of you over and over again complaining about the material. The same people.

Yes, such family members exist.

Your post is most enlightening. I remember folks tearing into Ashayana Dean's material with equal relish and considerably more venom. Can't remember how many -- IF ANY -- were banned for those views. And yet here we are. Former great contributors G-O-N-E.

Now those who refuse to drink the koolaid are compared with a sister-in-law whose only desire is to control others and indiscriminately tear down opposing positions.

Congrats, Charles! Mission accomplished. Job exceedingly well done.

[pilotsimone]

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[pilotsimone]

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[take]

Critical thinking is always good, but even more important is to keep an open mind.
What we need is constructive discussion and exchange of ideas instead of focusing our energy on pointless debating.
So chill.

Can't remember who said it, but the line was: "We are one ... like the fingers of a hand" And that goes for Avalon too. There will be no separation unless people believe in it and are looking for it. Thanks.

Just a quick outburst of thoughts. I'm tired and feverish, but I hope you'll understand what I'm trying to say.

Take care.

[DeDukshyn]

... Forming a new civilization can wait. We must attempt to repair the old one first.

With all due respect, the old one can't be repaired. The false paradigm is waaay to huge and it causes the perpetuation of itself. It cannot be repaired. Besides, trying "fix" something from a reference to a "problem" means your solution is now also referencing a problem - creating something that works properly from the ground up is the way to create change. Consider that the automobile was invented to solve the problem of pollution. Horse pollution in the streets - seriously - the solution became the problem a million times greater.

Regardless of anything, the more fear and negativity we add to any thought or word, the bigger that influence will be, be careful where you direct your energies. ;-)

[unplugged]

You guys (HJ and unplugged specifically) have been some of my favorite voices here on Avalon. I don’t enjoy butting heads with you, but we should start taking care of each other and stop judging. Empower us! You’re pros at it!

I’m thankful to have my say. :hippie:

Pilot, I enjoy your posts very much, too, even those I might not personally agree with.

Speaking for myself, I really shouldn't be expressing opinions about Charles or his material because it simply isn't substantive enough, relevant enough, interesting enough or sufficiently valuable -- by any criteria with which I assess "importance" -- for me to reflect upon other than tangentially.

You, on the other hand, are a beautiful soul. Please accept my sincere apology as it is NEVER my intention to ridicule, and it is clear I have disappointed you with my altogether dismissive and exceedingly unimpressed perspective re Charles.

Blessings to you, dear one.

[pilotsimone]

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[Jendayi]

... Forming a new civilization can wait. We must attempt to repair the old one first.

With all due respect, the old one can't be repaired. The false paradigm is waaay to huge and it causes the perpetuation of itself. It cannot be repaired. Besides, trying "fix" something from a reference to a "problem" means your solution is now also referencing a problem - creating something that works properly from the ground up is the way to create change. Consider that the automobile was invented to solve the problem of pollution. Horse pollution in the streets - seriously - the solution became the problem a million times greater.

Regardless of anything, the more fear and negativity we add to any thought or word, the bigger that influence will be, be careful where you direct your energies. ;-)
to add to this wonderfull insight... please take a look:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13490-A-kiss-to-the-world... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13490-A-kiss-to-the-world...)

[kouby]

Speaking for myself, I really shouldn't be expressing opinions about Charles or his material because it simply isn't substantive enough, relevant enough, interesting enough or sufficiently valuable -- by any criteria with which I assess "importance" -- for me to reflect upon other than tangentially.

Exactly right.
This whole business seems to have taken up a lot of space for nothing.
Like with the whole UFO stuff, there's already so much disinformation/madness out there it seems really sad to waste so much time to say so little.
Anyway that's only my thoughts, I'll be happy the day we have more reliable sources, in the meantime I suppose we've got to be content with swimming through the crap to find the gold.

[Shezbeth]

So in response to the thread title,....

We are establishing a higher degree of closeness and respect, through the social adversities that come of a drastically increased population of intelligent and positively minded individuals. ^_^

[Humble Janitor]

And today's interloper may be tomorrow's humble janitor.

And vice versa

What are you implying?

[Humble Janitor]

... Forming a new civilization can wait. We must attempt to repair the old one first.

With all due respect, the old one can't be repaired. The false paradigm is waaay to huge and it causes the perpetuation of itself. It cannot be repaired. Besides, trying "fix" something from a reference to a "problem" means your solution is now also referencing a problem - creating something that works properly from the ground up is the way to create change. Consider that the automobile was invented to solve the problem of pollution. Horse pollution in the streets - seriously - the solution became the problem a million times greater.

Regardless of anything, the more fear and negativity we add to any thought or word, the bigger that influence will be, be careful where you direct your energies. ;-)

You can't have a new civilization without the whole world on board.

Also, I don't like the sound of such an idea. How do we know that this new civilization isn't centered around people with "perfect" DNA?

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The inundation of new members swarming to the Charles material has also diminished the quality of information and responses to a certain degree...I stumbled on to the "Charles is gone" thread and they sounded like a bunch of groupies after a concert when the band leaves without signing autographs and they didn't get an invite to the after party! :fans:

I think people are placing way too much importance on this guy, it's has an almost messianic, guru feel to it at times...the "Cult of Charles aka Atticus" when his answers are usually vague, short and in double speak half the time. More people need to learn that all the answers to their questions come from within...

I agree HJ, the Charles material seems to be more of a distraction than anything, I've spent several hours reading posts and didn't learn anything new or of significance. Nothing that bears the importance of what's happening with the planet right now and how weather is causing hardship for millions of people, and will also lead to crop failure and famine in the months ahead.

We were new members once.

In time, people will see this community for what it is and they'll either grow and adapt or they'll move on to the next big thing.

I welcome it, even if the cockiness of some new members is disturbing.

I am not an "interloper" by any chance.

[Star Gazer]

Forming a new civilization can wait. We must attempt to repair the old one first.

Might I suggest that a new civilization may be necessary in order to repair the old one?

Or a new order?

[Shezbeth]

What are you implying?

No disrespect, I didn't realize your screen name was Humble Janitor, I got distracted by the 'Baroness' in your avatar picture and thought that was your SN.
I apologize, I've been trying to make my perusal of the forums more efficient and have been connecting the pictures more and names less.
Subsequently, I though that the use of the term humble janitor was an arbitrary term rather than a direct reference and my reply was intended to be a mildly cheeky reminder to view the opposite outcome of any given situation as being possible.

[kinerkid]

I just think that people on here are being taken for a ride by this Charles material.

It's distracting us from the realities that face us, especially with the current weather. I'm normally against spreading doom but we should be concerned about the increase in cold weather and disruption of weather patterns.

Forming a new civilization can wait. We must attempt to repair the old one first.

Hi - I'm new here and apologize if this is the wrong thread to post this in but your comment got me thinking....I had a thought about this weird weather we've had the past two winters here in the US. I live in Tennessee and in the past 18 months we've had 1. more snow in two winters than in the prior 17 years I've lived here combined and colder temps, 2. a devastating rainfall/flood, and 3. one of the hottest summers on record.

I've been wondering if this disruption of typical weather could be partially explained by the earth's axis being knocked off by 3 inches with the Chilean earthquake? Any thoughts yay or nay?

Thanks!

[Burke]

If you cannot understand the material (any material)

then how can you understand it's intent and the consequence it has on others?

[Huma]

I'm not really sure how many will read this, or even care frankly but..

I thought I would make a truly honest, and fair observation of what I have seen so far, in humility and appreciation for the ability to make it in the first place, so let me thank anyone who reads this first, as your giving something to my words that is most precious, your limited time. :)

There are many outside this community, some who may even be reasonably deduced by any standard as being quite enlightened, intelligent, whatever rather incapable words we have of describing such attributes, that would say most of the people in this community are or have been taken for a ride based on the specific or broader content revealed through PC and Avalon so far. This obviously doesn't make them inherently correct of course, it does not however change the reality of there current or previous perceptions either, we all have to work with this reality regardless of what side of the fence we are on with a given topic.

I will say that I encourage rigorous debate, even at times when it seems -by some people's perceptions, to add to the proverbial "noise" of certain discussion by means of stepping on toes or offending people's beliefs or sensibilities, sometimes that sort of brutal honesty even delivered with a little bite is needed, it has saved me many times when used and done properly from the right intent and mindset. I think people's definition of noise here in this community is indeed quite..... varied. I have had some experience in getting into the finer details of debate, and also trying to have coherent dialogue amongst many people of divergent beliefs and intellectual capabilities and interests, whatever they may be. I think Bill has done a fine job of trying to maintain this balance, all the while pursuing what he "believes" to be true as well. Kudos for that Bill.

I have actually been through an experience similar to what bill is going through now, only it lasted 5 years in private, and for the most part was far more negative, frightening, and ultimately left me with more inconclusiveness, fears, and mysteries, as well as a confused sense of partially being "took" but also being a part of something very few truly go through. I truly, TRULY, understand both sides of the fence, on a variety of the major issues discussed in these forums, particularly the Charles information, or seeming lack there of by some peoples estimation.

You can only put out so many fires out at once, and ultimately you have to focus and go with what seems to be the most relevant subject, or set of causes you want to give your energy too, and that can be with intelligent questioning, rigorous research, waiting/listening, or in some other far more esoteric endeavor, and for some like myself, some of all of the above. I understand what it is like to be truly a critical thinker, especially as some have done with this charles material, I hear you all. Focus on what you know is true and important, if that means speaking out, do so, if it means giving attention to other meaningful topics, do that too, and for those that can do both, well by all means. Let's all try and get down this rocky road together, for there is indeed strength in numbers, even when its constituents are so very different.

[unplugged]

I'm not really sure how many will read this, or even care frankly but..

It is an excellent post. Thank you for taking the time to write it.


. . .I will say that I encourage rigorous debate, even at times when it seems -by some people's perceptions, to add to the proverbial "noise" of certain discussion by means of stepping on toes or offending people's beliefs or sensibilities, sometimes that sort of brutal honesty even delivered with a little bite is needed, it has saved me many times when used and done properly from the right intent and mindset. I think people's definition of noise here in this community is indeed quite..... varied.

. . . I truly, TRULY, understand both sides of the fence, on a variety of the major issues discussed in these forums, particularly the Charles information, or seeming lack there of by some peoples estimation.

I believe as you do. Any material worth considering MUST have the capacity to withstand scrutiny from ALL perspectives.

A tightly honed, fine-tuned perspective is built layer by layer.

A broad and enlightened mind seeks expansion, but never at the expense of experience. In other words, the very process of developing an advanced state of awareness necessitates the integration of mental analysis, heart sense, and intuition (sensed knowing). As we mature certain constructs become foundational constructs. These bedrock constructs must be accommodating enough to accept new input, and strong enough to prevent repetition of "lessons learned."

Mind expands through the yin-yang of deep reflection and active data accumulation. Communities such as Avalon must have similar characteristics to the way minds expand, or they suffocate in time from stagnant sameness -- the inevitable result of too much alike-ness of thought -- of everyone agreeing with everyone else.

Vibrant, open (respectful) debate, on the other hand, pushes the boundaries of thought more rapidly and with greater efficiency than cogitation without stimulation can ever attain. Fortunately, many here are exceedingly experienced and have arrived on this wavelength through similar pursuits informed by highly variegated inputs. This raises the quality of discourse, perception, and perspective in ways conformance and sameness can never, ever accomplish.

[Mayan2012]

It seems some people are treating the Charles material like some people treat clothing trends.
Once they get tired of looking at the same old clothes, they look forward to the next trend.
There are some people who recognize that the Charles material has the makings of true facts and stick with it to see how it all unfolds with time.
Rome was not built in a day and what the Charles material represents will not be sorted out in a month either.
Not Bill, not Charles and not the 33 care if there are people who don't believe the material. What will happen will happen. I would rather be part of the solution, if possible, if it all turns out to be true. I would like to let the 33 that this humanity is worth saving if only they stop interfering and negatively influencing our lives, if they stop throwing wrenches in the works, I believe we will be alright. It may take....correction, it WILL take many years for things to clear and societies to settle into what nature intended humanity to be like.

What would it be like?
No government, no money, no wars, no illnesses, no stress, no hate, no poverty, no hunger. Harmony, happiness, free energy, free food
It can happen, ladies and gentlemen, it can happen.

[truth4me]

I've stopped contributing to any of the Charles threads until all the fuss dies down, or until his next live interview. I feel we are becoming a test bed for Charles and his minder(s), while they decide what to feed us next. If we're not careful, this may lead to the fragmentation of Project Avalon, despite Bill's best efforts, which may be exactly what Charles was originally asked to do.

Yes your right. Charles is doing what he was asked to do but only a few of us realize it....I won't comment on anything he says.....

[Operator]

I feel we are becoming a test bed for Charles and his minder(s), while they decide what to feed us next.

Yes, we've been a testbed for a long time already ... That's why there are 'respond' buttons under electronic newspaper articles etc.
But by knowing that you are aware of how to skew the test result and influence the outcome ...

[Operator]

For those of us who now realize we're players in a game not of our choice I recommend to watch Gladiator (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172495/).

Think like a general and get yourselves organized ... that's your only chance to turn the table ...

[Taurean]

I too believe we have been well and truly distracted.

Charles must be well pleased with plan B.

[kouby]

not Charles and not the 33 care if there are people who don't believe the material.

It's not a question of not believing, it's a question that there is absolutely no new information in this material and therefore is disregarded as a waste of time by most people until something actually new and/or verifiable is brought forward.

[FutureLeFunk]

To me this forum is just like the base of a mountain. Bill lets us climb and sets up protection for us should we fall. Were just supposed to reach the top and take in the views on the way.

Whether you chose to be distracted by Charles, it's just a different route that we can take. If Charles is an E3 and you want to get off, then just swing to a different pitch either side. But since I had a falling rock take out my legs at the base of a climb, I prefer to take the ridge but don't mind a climb on a top rope. I've seen a few leader protection slide down to me on belay before! lol

ps. Tryfan is my favorite peak in Snowdonia, with Adam and Eve at the top :)

But I'm only a humble plumber at present. I've had a variety of jobs, been a good boy and had lunch with the Queen blah de blah..........

From my perspective, I get to meet a great variety of people and so I look outside of the box at the wider picture (not sure why some want TV's in their bathrooms?).The current system attempts to create robots driven by money, something of no substance. I can tell you a few stories which you can take either way. A person working for the main gas company up in Scotland trying to condemn an electric cooker because he couldn't light it with a match.

I'm nothing special. I just want and end to the robots. My original focus remains constant.

Regards

[sshenry]

Regardless of the validity of the Charles material - I think what bothers me the most about this is the way people seem to hang on every word, won't make a move without considering what "charles" has said about the issue, how what they're saying may relate to the Charles material etc. It doesn't taste right.