there are no chem trails, nasa says so, look they are con trails (lol)

[Vidya Moksha]

have you seen this:
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/GLOBE/contrails/pers_sp/list.cgi

amazing propaganda

e.g quote: This is a fairly common sight on the East Coast, where lots and lots of airplanes fly between the major cities of the Eastern Seaboard. However this photo captures a wonderful display of these contrails, showing them at various stages of "spreading".

[AlbaLux]

Hey look at this one http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/images/1051.jpg haha and this is from nasa site ??? They have to be heavy terrified when they are doing all this. :spy:
Doing propaganda program for contrails ????:lol: Sorry guys but I am European and from my point of view this so funny.

But of course from the alternative point of view ithis is about something else :confused:

[conk]

Why would a plane, commerical or otherwise, fly back and forth and back and forth and back and forth for long periods of time over the same small area? No good reason except for something sneaky.

[Fredkc]

Why would a plane, commerical or otherwise, fly back and forth and back and forth and back and forth for long periods of time over the same small area? No good reason except for something sneaky.

Come on... .you never heard of a "round trip" ? http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif

Fred ... groaning

[dAkapacity]

I've been to an youth opera 'Rage of Life' about a 18-year old who believes in (seeing and wanting to talk about) the truth, exposing lies, etc... The character is being looked at as a lunatic by his family and friends to the point where he's being put away in psychiatry. The piece used multi-media effects and from the moments he was talking about the lies we tell ourselves and others a sky was being portrayed, and daaaamn, a plane was shown leaving behind one enormous chemical trail... the message was clear: the guy was losing his mind and the video of the spraying plane was an allusion on his (and 'our') so-called delusion... propaganda in art! I remember sitting there a little flabbergasted, then again trying to let it go as of not to get swept away by it too much...

xxdA.

[conk]

Watch movies and commercials on TV. Chemtrails are very often in the background. Conditioning at it's finest.

[Peace of Mind]

Typical, I wouldn't expect anything more from our goverments or NASA...did you?
Anyway, I would like for them to explain in detail whats in these pics...

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/1whole-aircraft.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/Chem-trails-manifold.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/2multiple-nozzles.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/3outside-nozzle.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/inside20chemtrail20plane1500w.jpg
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Peace

[Sabrina]

BBV TV News weather report at 8.15 am today, presenter said there are lots of contrails today but it won't affect the sunshine. Now what was that all about? White or black hat? Indeed, blue skies first thing, then sizeable amount of trails in next few hours.

[MariaDine]

On July 20, 2000, Lynn Stokes was in a grocery store parking lot in San Antonio, Texas when he looked up to see massive chemtrails being sprayed by jet aircraft. He ran back into the store to buy a disposable camera to take photos of the chemtrails. He came back outside and took photographs. At no time did he see the round object through the viewfinder that showed up in the picture. When he got the film developed, he was shocked to see the image on the photo. The bright orb image was on the negative as well!

http://www.abduct.com/photos/pn006.php See the fotos here

Smaller white orbs can be seen near the chemtrails in several of the photos. There are about seven on the large orb photo. Whatever this bright large orb is, it was not visible to the naked eye. One can only speculate as to its connection to the chemtrails.



This is a closeup of a possible UFO or tiny orb in the top photo.



There are other shots of the exact same part of the sky just seconds before or after and the object is not visible (proving that it is not the sun which was straight overhead).



Note chemtrails are dissipating and there are no traces of the unexplained object streaking through the photo with its orangish tail.

According to a trusted friend of Lynn's who channels information, the chemtrails are supposedly an attempt by the government to cover up UFO activity, specifically motherships. There are more of them coming now and they are afraid of the panic that would ensue if they are seen. She said the intention of the chemtrail operation was not to cause illness in people, but small children would be adversely affected by the spraying.

As Lynn stated, "In my opinion the orb in my photo is closer to the camera than it is to the chemtrail formation. I think it wanted to be photographed. The channeled information must be taken with a grain of salt. However, the information from this source has been very accurate in the past. It doesn't completely make sense to me but I suppose it is a possibility. The reason I mentioned her comments about the chemtrails is really just to get people thinking in a direction that might not have occurred to them before."

Photographs and report by Lynn Stokes, Texas.

[nomadguy]

I see it likely that the Plausible deniability being used here is very well crafted ~ and that saying "chemtrails" is indeed baseless.
Because groups like NASA and other scientific circles have very real names for all the "different" aspects of what are commonly called chemtrails. IE aerosol spraying technologies.

And that this is a multi-use system or technology that we are all looking up at. So we peer at it the bottom of and don't see very much, newer info suggests that most of this is going on ~way up there and is not at all visible from down here on the surface.
The info from people like "Rich Dolan" come to mind... A "secret space state" is what I had been terming the real culprit for all of this atmospheric alteration.
Now I know well, that I could be wrong and that this could be all NASA type stuff or a collaboration between govs/milits and such. but who cares, the result of such activities HAS damaged our planet and everything in it. >WHO< is accountable for this ?? everyone is stepping back from that...

ref - http://www.ec.gc.ca/air-sc-r/default.asp?lang=En&n=F427C911-1
- http://www.google.com/search?q=C.A.R.E.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=g8y&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&biw=1137&bih=710&source=hp&q=Centre+for+Atmospheric+Research+Experiments+%28CARE%29&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=711da0863f755a

~ I do not believe in coincidences ~

[shadowstalker]

http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin...rs_sp/list.cgi

that site made me sick o my stomach

[Rocky_Shorz]

Typical, I wouldn't expect anything more from our goverments or NASA...did you?
Anyway, I would like for them to explain in detail whats in these pics...

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/1whole-aircraft.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/Chem-trails-manifold.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/2multiple-nozzles.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/3outside-nozzle.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/inside20chemtrail20plane1500w.jpg
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Peace

Sprayer 5 HAZMAT inside...

can anyone see what is written on the side of the plane?

[thunder24]

Sprayer 5 HAZMAT inside...

can anyone see what is written on the side of the plane?

looks like "bamelle"

peace
battelle maybe this is it
http://www.battelle.org/?info=EXLINK
http://www.battelle.org/solutions/default.aspx?Nav_Area=Solution&Nav_SectionID=4
National Security

[Rocky_Shorz]

yep even the right logo...

Pacific Northwest Laboratory
Operated for the U.S. Department of Energy
by Battelle Memorial Institute

link (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:fHAUzX9RRLcJ:www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/6273418-Ycqsw2/6273418.PDF+ballelle&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgsKKSvHF0jggiY7wJscDy16WiqL_SgaR-fbVYtdy0Eu9w__p8fefPxTaFGcN3Z7A1wUkxyXMdSNaNrRMWf1e0awgR7rS_jcdvbedMwMVDub2tjfVWACgx9HFJ-98X3kHyS3fgf&sig=AHIEtbRVianOhYk3F7vU5vldaH4g_kyN8w)

[Fred259]

Typical, I wouldn't expect anything more from our goverments or NASA...did you?
Anyway, I would like for them to explain in detail whats in these pics...

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/1whole-aircraft.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/Chem-trails-manifold.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/2multiple-nozzles.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/3outside-nozzle.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/POM_011/inside20chemtrail20plane1500w.jpg
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Peace

Sprayer 5 HAZMAT inside...

can anyone see what is written on the side of the plane?


The 1st image is a Gulfstream G1 atmospheric research aircraft operated by a University in the US, I think its Missouri University but I would need to check.

The 2nd image is the spray head attached to the boom of a KC135. Its used for spraying water into engines at altitude again for testing and evaluation.

The 3rd image are Bernoulli venture tubes attached to the side of the G1 atmospheric research aircraft. The tubes measure dynamic and static pressure. Both are needed to determine airspeed.

The 4th image is another tube for the same aircraft.

The 5th image is inside the cabin of a B777 again during testing and evaluation. Water is pumped around these drums changing the pitch setting in and around the centre of gravity. This is an old picture I’ve seen it many times. Sprayer Hazmat 05 has been inserted by a fraudster.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Stephen E Kelly Senior Vice President of National Security Division of Battelle Science & Technology International...

link (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=22512489&privcapId=161017&previousCapId=161017&previousTitle=Battelle%20Memorial%20Institute,%20I nc.)

Koch is the link between bio defense in the US and Germany...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC5vG_nO0Gk

[stegosaur]

In picture 5, if they're changing water content to alter the center of gravity why are the barrels only in the front of the plane, and not in the back or all along the length of the plane? Instead there are rows and rows of what looks like servers?

Most passengers sit where the 'servers' are so it seems like they'd want to model changes in center of gravity there and not up front.

[Arrowwind]

When in high school (1968-1971) I lived on Long Island... near NYC, near two of the largest airports in the world and there were never "contrails" like we see today.

I often wonder why people don't remember the day when they weren't there? It wasn't that long ago.


We had about 10 of them over us yesterday in backcountry rual Idaho.

[Etherios]

When in high school (1968-1971) I lived on Long Island... near NYC, near two of the largest airports in the world and there were never "contrails" like we see today.

I often wonder why people don't remember the day when they weren't there? It wasn't that long ago.



We had about 10 of them over us yesterday in backcountry rual Idaho.


Cause they have to remember about other more important things like opra etc... who cares about these conspiracy things ... all fake.. o.O

[Fred259]

In picture 5, if they're changing water content to alter the center of gravity why are the barrels only in the front of the plane, and not in the back or all along the length of the plane? Instead there are rows and rows of what looks like servers?

Most passengers sit where the 'servers' are so it seems like they'd want to model changes in center of gravity there and not up front.

You are looking towards the back of the aircraft. The barrels are over the wing root. I can’t honestly say where the C of G is on the 777 but on the B737 is just ahead of the leading edge of the wings..

Yes they are servers…

(Think of a see saw)

[stegosaur]

In picture 5, if they're changing water content to alter the center of gravity why are the barrels only in the front of the plane, and not in the back or all along the length of the plane? Instead there are rows and rows of what looks like servers?

Most passengers sit where the 'servers' are so it seems like they'd want to model changes in center of gravity there and not up front.

You are looking towards the back of the aircraft. The barrels are over the wing root. I can’t honestly say where the C of G is on the 777 but on the B737 is just ahead of the leading edge of the wings..

Yes they are servers…

(Think of a see saw)

Right be they're testing the seesaw side to side, not front to back right?

My question was then what could cause the C of G to change - first answer I thought was passenger distribution and therefore the barrels should be the length of the cabin where all passengers can be seated.

Are they simulating different passenger distributions with the water tanks? If so shouldn't they test everywhere passengers can sit?

Maybe I'm thinking of this experiment entirely wrong, sorry if my Qs are totally off mark.

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=stegosaur;237802]In picture 5, if they're changing water content to alter the center of gravity why are the barrels only in the front of the plane, and not in the back or all along the length of the plane? Instead there are rows and rows of what looks like servers?

Most passengers sit where the 'servers' are so it seems like they'd want to model changes in center of gravity there and not up front.

You are looking towards the back of the aircraft. The barrels are over the wing root. I can’t honestly say where the C of G is on the 777 but on the B737 is just ahead of the leading edge of the wings..

Yes they are servers…

(Think of a see saw)


Right be they're testing the seesaw side to side, not front to back right?
Front to back. (Nose to tail)


My question was then what could cause the C of G to change - first answer I thought was passenger distribution and therefore the barrels should be the length of the cabin where all passengers can be seated.

Yes, you are thinking along the right lines.

What they are really testing is angle of attack. When the aircraft is climbing at 22 degrees what is happening to the C of G, and how much down deflection of the elevators is required to keep the aircraft still within the CofG.


Are they simulating different passenger distributions with the water tanks? If so shouldn't they test everywhere passengers can sit?


The way it works is that every item has a known weight. A rack of three seats for example lets say is 100lbs. If they place these seats over the CofG the moment arm will be zero.

But what about the rack of seats weighing 100lbs at the very back, say 60feet from the CofG What will its moment arm be?

60ft is 720 inches so 720x100lbs= 720,000 lb/inches
What about the seats 50ft back from the CofG?

50ft is 600inches so 600x100= 600,000lb/inches.

Everything is then added up, and divided by a large factored number. The aircraft must then be loaded within its operating CofG. The danger is that if all the weight is at the back the potential of running out of elevator authority would exist. It’s over thirty years since I did this, can we not talk about sex instead! Ah here is the NASA technical sheet on the subject http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/acg.html its got an good diagram.


Maybe I'm thinking of this experiment entirely wrong, sorry if my Qs are totally off mark.

No you are bang on.

[Maia Gabrial]

In view of all of NASA's past lies and deceptions, why should we believe them about this?
I used to watch the skies back in my younger days and I never saw contrails or chemtrails then either. If they think I'm falling for more of their lies, they should try to salvage their damaged reputation first.....
Maia

[heyokah]

Oh dear Fred2+5=9....,

Aren't you (n)ever getting tired of us and yourself ... ??

This , like all other chemtrail threads, is really becoming a slapstick LMAO

[Fred259]

Oh dear Fred2+5=9....,

Aren't you (n)ever getting tired of us and yourself ... ??

This , like all other chemtrail threads, is really becoming a slapstick LMAO


No I’m not.

What are you talking about? I’m sticking up for you. You’ve been tricked, deceived, they are laughing at you. You’re dumbed down, controlled and I’m shouting red flag red flag, don’t believe this nonsense folks.

I’ve explained everything to you, provided scientific knowledge and documents. You obviously didn’t read them, so yes sadly you are dumbed down.

Understand that the ptb / elites don’t have this power. I promise you they really don’t. They are tricking you that they do. They now control you don’t let them.

The ptb / elites are being brought down. They will never succeed. Every scam and lie they come out with is exposed. It’s a bit like climate change. Many exposed that scam. This is no different I’m exposing this and informing you.

I’ve explained time and time again how contrails are formed. They are just the same as clouds, harmless so don’t worry about them.

If the atmospheric conditions are suitable for the formation of clouds the atmospheric conditions are ALSO suitable for the formation of contrails.

If the atmospheric conditions are not suitable for the formation of clouds, the atmospheric conditions are ALSO not suitable for the formation of contrails.

That’s all you need to know.

So, the question is do you wish to continue to be dumbed down tricked and deceived or would you rather have knowledge and understanding. You decide.

Read up on how clouds are formed. Post back and tell me, I will answer your questions and help you. When you do this three things happen, 1) you become informed. 2) Other members become informed. 3) Avalon visitors, the guests become informed. This way we expose the ptb / elites. This way we destroy the power they seek to impose over us.

However it’s not a one way deal. I expect something from you. I’m sure you are expert at many things, can you not share your knowledge with me, the forum and the guests. I’m still waiting for someone to tell me what size vegetable garden we need for a family of four for example.

[SKAWF]

hi fred, fancy seeing you here!!!

now you did say that there was no way planes could be rigged to spray stuff.
i would say that the plane in the picture was rigged to spray stuff.
couple that with the fact that these trails are denser than the air,
and they fall and spread out over time,

(please dont tell me they are contrails, i do know the difference)

at some point, you'll give in.

may the force be with you!

steve

[Fred259]

hi fred, fancy seeing you here!!!

[QUOTE]now you did say that there was no way planes could be rigged to spray stuff.

I Did.


i would say that the plane in the picture was rigged to spray stuff.
What is “Stuff” Steve.


couple that with the fact that these trails are denser than the air,
and they fall and spread out over time,

It is, but it’s a C130 boneshaker turboprop, it doesn’t operate at 30,000 feet more like 300 feet.

We’re talking about the 7,000 aircraft in UK Airspace daily, 20,000 in European daily and 58,000 in North America per day, none of them are sprying you or your loved ones. I promise.

Anyway talking about boneshakers, this is a video of boneshakers in the “Mach Loop” Ultra low level 100-250ft low level fast jet corridor at Cad West in Wales UK. A good majority of these Tornado and Hawks are be flown by females so good on the girls, but what is it with you Americans, notice how they can’t get it down onto the deck. Come on guys spit the gum out even the girls are kicking sand in your face….


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_mUcDzXbag


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FWQgzn66JE&feature=related
This is what Americans call low level….you decide...

[Fred259]

hi fred, fancy seeing you here!!!

[QUOTE]now you did say that there was no way planes could be rigged to spray stuff.

I Did.


i would say that the plane in the picture was rigged to spray stuff.
What is “Stuff” Steve.


couple that with the fact that these trails are denser than the air,
and they fall and spread out over time,

It is, but it’s a C130 boneshaker turboprop, it doesn’t operate at 30,000 feet more like 300 feet.

We’re talking about the 7,000 aircraft in UK Airspace daily, 20,000 in European daily and 58,000 in North America per day, none of them are sprying you or your loved ones. I promise.

Anyway talking about boneshakers, this is a video of boneshakers in the “Mach Loop” Ultra low level 100-250ft low level fast jet corridor at Cad West in Wales UK. A good majority of these Tornado and Hawks are be flown by females so good on the girls, but what is it with you Americans, notice how they can’t get it down onto the deck. Come on guys spit the gum out even the girls are kicking sand in your face….


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_mUcDzXbag


Girls pulling G in the Mach Loop.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FWQgzn66JE&feature=related
This is what Americans call low level….you decide...

[SKAWF]

well, the jury is still out on exactly what it is that they spray.
but the crux, the main thrust, the bullet point (if you will) of my post thus far,
is to get you to accept that planes CAN, and ARE fitted out to spray from altitude,
as previously you have said that it wasnt possible.

to be honest, given how erm.... comprehensively you state your case,
i'm happy at this point that you've accepted that planes can be fitted out to spray.
i'm going to quit while i'm ahead.

that said,

i would quite like to do some timelapse photography on a day that they spray
so you can see these trails spread out and cover the entire sky.
contrails dont behave in that way.
in fact, given the nature of a contrail, it shouldnt exist long enough,
or have enough mass to fill so large an area.

cheers
steve

[heyokah]

Thank you 'nomadguy' for your reply #245 on the "chemtrails don't exist" thread.

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/07/06/27/chemtrails-two-emails-received-anonymously-airline-mechanic-and-airline-manager-bot


************

Two Emails Received Anonymously - From An Airline Mechanic And An Airline Manager - Both In The USA

An Anonymous Email From An Airline Mechanic

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important.

First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.
Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order".
Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.
No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems.
The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems.

Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.
Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem.
When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of aircraft.
As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.
As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane.
Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind.
I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.
The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system.
When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.
I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers.

If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight.
I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through the fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork.
He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work.
The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.
We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks.

The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK.
Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious" piping.

The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are 'THEY'"!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers.
I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that talked about chemically-laced contrails.
That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.
While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.

The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be filling the tanks of the spray system.
They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all.

-- A concerned citizen

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AN AIRLINE MANAGER'S STATEMENT
Posted by C.E. Carnicom on behalf of the author
May 22 2000

Mr. Carnicom:

I read the email you received from the anonymous mechanic and felt compelled to respond to it. I, too, work for an airline, though I work in upper management levels. I will not say which airline, what city I am located, nor what office I work for, for obvious reasons. I wish I could document everything I am about to relate to you, but to do so is next to impossible and would result in possible physical harm to me.

The email from the anonymous mechanic rings true. Airline companies in America have been participating in something called Project Cloverleaf for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone what we know we could be imprisoned.

About twenty employees in our office were briefed along with my by two officials from some government agency. They didn't tell us which one.

They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along with others, to release special chemicals from commercial aircraft.

When asked what the chemicals were and why we were going to spray them, they told us that information was given on a need-to-know basis and we weren't cleared for it. They then went on to state that the chemicals were harmless, but the program was of such importance that it needed to be done at all costs. When we asked them why didn't they just rig military aircraft to spray these chemicals, they stated that there weren't enough military aircraft available to release chemicals on such a large basis as needs to be done. That's why Project Cloverleaf was initiated, to allow commercial airlines to assist in releasing these chemicals into the atmosphere. Then someone asked why all the secrecy was needed. The government reps then stated that if the general public knew that the aircraft they were flying on were releasing chemicals into the air, environmentalist groups would raise hell and demand the spraying stop. Someone asked one of the G-men then if the chemicals are harmless, why not tell the public what the chemicals are and why we are spraying them? He seemed perturbed at this question and told us in a tone of authority that the public doesn't need to know what's going on, but that this program is in their best interests. He also stated that we should not tell anyone, nor ask any more questions about it. With that, the briefing was over.

All documents in our office pertaining to Project Cloverleaf are kept in locked safes. Nobody is allowed to take these documents out of the office. Very few employees are allowed access to these documents, and they remain tight-lipped about what the documents say.

Mr. Carnicom, I am no fool. I know there's something going on. And frankly, I am scared. I feel a high level of guilt that I have been aware of this kind of operation but unable to tell anyone. It's been eating away at me, knowing that the company I work for may be poisoning the American people. I hope this letter will open some eyes to what's happening.

Again, I wish I could give you documented information, but you have to understand why I must remain totally anonymous.

Thank you

CLOVERLEAF
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280993.shtml#103399

[Fred259]

[QUOTE]well, the jury is still out on exactly what it is that they spray.

They cant spray.

The jury is only out in the confused alternative media, the rest of society consider these trails normal or give no though to the matter.

but the crux, the main thrust, the bullet point (if you will) of my post thus far,
is to get you to accept that planes CAN, and ARE fitted out to spray from altitude,
as previously you have said that it wasnt possible.

Its not possible. It isn’t happening.

What happens is you go away and find some firefighting aircraft or crop sprayer and say “Look” Crops aren’t sprayed from high altitude, fires aren’t fought from high altitude and cloud seeding doesn’t take place at high altitude.

to be honest, given how erm.... comprehensively you state your case,
i'm happy at this point that you've accepted that planes can be fitted out to spray.
i'm going to quit while i'm ahead.

This is the problem. Your mind is closed and controlled. You throw science, engineering common sense out of the window and instead believe a two minute video produced and sponsored by those who seek to control and manipulate your mind.

i would quite like to do some timelapse photography on a day that they spray
so you can see these trails spread out and cover the entire sky.

Don’t bother you are wasting your time. Until you get this word “spray” out of your head you will continue to be dumbed down and controlled.

contrails dont behave in that way.
Oh, how would you know? They do, they can last from ten seconds to ten hours and behave in a multitude of ways..

You have no concept knowledge or understanding of how clouds / contrails are formed or any understanding of the atmosphere, and further you have no interest in learning. To you its spraying, because you are a victim of the irresponsible alternative media.

in fact, given the nature of a contrail, it shouldnt exist long enough,
or have enough mass to fill so large an area.

As above.

[SKAWF]

fred i'm offended, you assume i'm controlled, you know abosolutely nothing about me.
i do know how water vapour behaves.
i know what chemtrails are, i know what contrails are.

i'm open to anything,

out of the two of us, i'd say you were closed minded and controlled.
you abosolutely refuse to accept anything outside of your own belief system.

it really doesnt matter to me.
i know i'm happy enough with my own intelligence,
and even though i disagree with you,
i dont feel the need to insult yours in the same way you have mine.

laters

[Fred259]

Thank you 'nomadguy' for your reply #245 on the "chemtrails don't exist" thread.

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/07/06/27/chemtrails-two-emails-received-anonymously-airline-mechanic-and-airline-manager-bot


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Two Emails Received Anonymously - From An Airline Mechanic And An Airline Manager - Both In The USA

An Anonymous Email From An Airline Mechanic

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important.

First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.
Mechanics want to work on was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.
The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve [/url]


Hayokah,

Let’s stop fooling around in post #25 that if you are serious about matters,

Read up on how clouds are formed. Post back and tell me, I will answer your questions and help you. When you do this three things happen, 1) you become informed. 2) Other members become informed. 3) Avalon visitors, the guests become informed. This way we expose the ptb / elites. This way we destroy the power they seek to impose over us.

So what do you do.

Instead of going away and trying to learn something as we discussed you instead go and find some rubbish on the web and post it here.

We have already discussed Caricorn is a disinformation agent, believe me I could tear these posts apart but what’s the point, you really just want to clown around.

I notice for example they talk about a fifty gallon tank. Lets just assume this “imaginary tank” exists. What do you think the weight would be of any fluid inside that tank? What does a gallon of fuel weigh? Water, hydraulic oil, chemicals, what do they weigh? The answer around 400lbs for fuel and 500lbs for the remainder, so 500lbs is ¼ tonne, so at that weight its going to have an effect of the centre of gravity on this aircraft and as such the pilots and flight ops people along with the route planning staff would all know about the ¼ tonne wouldn’t they.

If you want to clown around why not go to GLP. If you want to learn I'm more than happy to learn with you.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so Fred, in the other thread you made a very clarifying point when you taught us you distinguish cloud seeding and chemtrails differently

standing on the ground when we look up and watch planes creating clouds, to us if it is over our heads, it is a chemtrail, but what was interesting is how you said Chemtrails are sprayed in upper altitudes, lower altitudes for cloud seeding.

So if chemtrails aren't real, how do you know the upper altitude is theirs? ;)

[Fred259]

[QUOTE]fred i'm offended, you assume i'm controlled, you know abosolutely nothing about me.
I know all about you! Its easy to read your mind by the way you post and your beliefs. Im not blaming you, its not your fault, Steve Im trying to rescue you me a Scotsman trying to rescue an Englishman. come on man..

i do know how water vapour behaves.

Cool.Then you know how clouds are formed and you know how contrails are formed, so what’s the problem?


out of the two of us, i'd say you were closed minded and controlled.
you abosolutely refuse to accept anything outside of your own belief system.
We are talking here engineering. Its not a belief system its fact.

But Yes this is right, but the difference is that I’ve been professionally trained.


it really doesnt matter to me.
i know i'm happy enough with my own intelligence,
and even though i disagree with you,
i dont feel the need to insult yours in the same way you have mine.

Im not insulting you. But I am saying your mind is controlled, that is if you think these aircraft are spraying you over London @@@%£££ Steve, I cant get through to you, Im sitting trying not to laugh while typing, back to aircraft spraying the population of London, does that sound normal to you…

PS. BTW. I though you did an excellent job last night….

[bennycog]

"The 2nd image is the spray head attached to the boom of a KC135. Its used for spraying water into engines at altitude again for testing and evaluation."

hey fred.. just have to ask how it sprays into the engines from the tail of the aircraft mate :)
otherwise my ill never get to sleep tonight..
cheers

[stegosaur]

Oh dear Fred2+5=9....,

Aren't you (n)ever getting tired of us and yourself ... ??

This , like all other chemtrail threads, is really becoming a slapstick LMAO


No I’m not.

What are you talking about? I’m sticking up for you. You’ve been tricked, deceived, they are laughing at you. You’re dumbed down, controlled and I’m shouting red flag red flag, don’t believe this nonsense folks.

I’ve explained everything to you, provided scientific knowledge and documents. You obviously didn’t read them, so yes sadly you are dumbed down.

Understand that the ptb / elites don’t have this power. I promise you they really don’t. They are tricking you that they do. They now control you don’t let them.

The ptb / elites are being brought down. They will never succeed. Every scam and lie they come out with is exposed. It’s a bit like climate change. Many exposed that scam. This is no different I’m exposing this and informing you.

I’ve explained time and time again how contrails are formed. They are just the same as clouds, harmless so don’t worry about them.

If the atmospheric conditions are suitable for the formation of clouds the atmospheric conditions are ALSO suitable for the formation of contrails.

If the atmospheric conditions are not suitable for the formation of clouds, the atmospheric conditions are ALSO not suitable for the formation of contrails.

That’s all you need to know.

So, the question is do you wish to continue to be dumbed down tricked and deceived or would you rather have knowledge and understanding. You decide.

Read up on how clouds are formed. Post back and tell me, I will answer your questions and help you. When you do this three things happen, 1) you become informed. 2) Other members become informed. 3) Avalon visitors, the guests become informed. This way we expose the ptb / elites. This way we destroy the power they seek to impose over us.

However it’s not a one way deal. I expect something from you. I’m sure you are expert at many things, can you not share your knowledge with me, the forum and the guests. I’m still waiting for someone to tell me what size vegetable garden we need for a family of four for example.

Hi Fred - first thanks for putting forth your effort in discussing this matter, you clearly have prior personal experience that is relevant to this issue.

Now I agree with you 100% about the part I have bolded, and this is why I thing chemtrails DO exist.

Since I moved down to Texas, I see many many more sunny clear days. Days where there isn't a scant cloud in the sky, not even minor cirrus frosty whips, nothing. That is except for a couple of big, honking white stripes forming behind planes and then staying for hours as they spread out. I'm not sure if I have a picture handy but I have seen this multiple times - how can this be explained? Like you said, if atmospheric conditions are right for cloud formation, we won't have contrails forming either so how is it that a plane can produce a really long lasting contrail on perfectly clear days?

[Maia Gabrial]

I remember listening to a whistleblower (don't remember the name) on Coast to Coast who worked on one of those white, unmarked planes, releasing those highly toxic gases. His photograph was similar to one shared in this thread, only there were people in his.
You can say all you like, but I watch the skies constantly and I'm feeling the effects of those nonexistent chemtrails....
Maia

[Cidersomerset]

Hi unfortunatly these threads are starting to go round in circles and Fred 259 from his perspective is deffinatley trying with all his experiance and Knowledge to assure and educate us that contrails are just the result of increased airtraffic and weather conditions which hopefully is correct and our main worry should be contrail pollution which may need looking at on its own merrits.....

I like most people think there is more to it , as I said on one of the other threads, I 'am a postman and outdoors everyday looking up..........

Sunday 5/6 nice bright day plenty of air traffic no chemtrails.

Monday 6/6 cooler conditions 'chemtails all morning ' milky cloud cover rest of day.....

Tuesday 7/6 changeable conditions natural cloud cover, mixed sun showers ,cooler than yesterday no chemtrails at all .

Wednesday 8/6 Changeable cool /cloudy/ sun /showers/ no chemtrails in sight.

Thursday 9/6 Changeable cold/cloudy/sun/heavy rain intervals no chemtrails visible.

Friday 10/6 Changeable cold/cloudy/showers am/ persistant rain pm no chemtrails visible.

Saturday 11/6 Bright sunny / white fluffy clouds /Blue skies no chemtrails

sunday 12/6 Rain and cloud cover all , nothing visbile above clouds

Monday 13/6 sunny /cloudy dry all day no chemtrails

Tuesday 14/6 chemtails forming from 1st light and remaing allday milky/soup skies
sun blocked out , would have been a scorcher if not shielded..

I 'm sure Fred 259 is genuine and I'd certainly want him in the trenches with me if the s==t hits the fan.........Remember although I'm new to you on the Forum I've been a guest since day one , so I feel I know some of you by default.

I think they are to do with weather modifacation and Haarp, also possible UV shielding , as I 've seen chemtrails in all wheather conditons , No doubt Fred will disagree , but let it go, and see where it takes us. If it is all rubbish 'Great' but let us get there at our own speed.......But if there is something going on we would be fools to ignore it........cheers Steve

[Fred259]

"The 2nd image is the spray head attached to the boom of a KC135. Its used for spraying water into engines at altitude again for testing and evaluation."

hey fred.. just have to ask how it sprays into the engines from the tail of the aircraft mate :)
otherwise my ill never get to sleep tonight..
cheers


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[Rocky_Shorz]

well for some reason talking about Chemtrails is like a taboo secret weapon, but if you have questions on Cloud seeding that has gone on for 50 years, that he is able to confirm and talk about...

I don't want to get Fred in trouble, but everything he is able to share is welcome...

[Patrikas]

mabee it flies backwards

[Cidersomerset]

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HAARP, Chemtrails, and New War Technologies
By Carol Sterritt


As we head into a millennium of what appears to be perpetual war, new technologies are unfolding with nightmarish possibilities.

In previous years, Coastal Post writers have tackled the issue of HAARP, (High Frequency Active Aural Research Project), a research project undertaken jointly by the US military and various corporations (currently Raytheon). The project involves "over the horizon" radar applications. It also holds the ability of acting as an earth tomography instrument. Besides these activities, some observers believe that HAARP is behind the mysterious (and officially denied) "chemtrails."

Ah, those chemtrails. You see them, I see them, the planes responsible for them are clearly visible in a typical day, but according to military and governmental spokespeople, they simply are not there. On a recent December trip into Sonoma, I watched as planes painted them on the sky ahead of me, clouding in the bright horizon over the Sonoma wine country. On the trip back, they were being painted in over the Novato ridgeline, and then again, on the southeast shoulder of Mount Tam. Last night, while watching "The Bourne Identity" on video, the telltale clouds were clearly visible in the movie scenes that had been shot in Paris.

Unlike normal condensation trails, these trails do not dissipate after ten minutes or so. Instead, they expand outwards, remaining as huge cloud like projections, often the length of the sky, floating there for hours after their release. Some observers of this issue claim that these chemtrails can consist of laboratory created RNA, aluminum oxide, ethylene dibromide, barium, and other yucky things. Some chemtrails include polymer fibers. If so, they hold a plethora of risk for the humans below, including neurological disturbances, heart problems, breathing problems, etc.

Critics claim that this chemical porridge allows our DNA to be infiltrated and re-arranged, without our consent. So the activity could be acting like a vaccination program without the consent of the population upon whom it is inflicted. Some known side effects of these chemical trails are increased cases of nosebleeds, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, and upper respiratory complaints with flu-like symptoms.

There are now universal discussions, via the Web, of just how the barium salts, dimethyl bromides, etc. are being discharged into the atmosphere by military and civilian aircraft worldwide. Clifford Carnicom, an expert on chemtrails states, "the results of the current research are now sufficient to establish an analytical basis for the formal investigation of radical atmospheric changes induced by the relatively recent aircraft aerosol operations." Barium and aluminum particles were at one point in our country's history used for cloud-seeding, a practice that fell into disfavor when it was realized that such particles disrupted human health.

An airline manager agreed to talk to civilian investigators about these phenomena. "Airline companies have been participating in something call Project Cloverleaf for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999.

"They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along with others, to release chemicals from commercial aircraft." The informant then detailed how the government agents would not answer directly any questions related to what the chemicals that would be released were, nor would they explain the actual purpose of this activity. All that was said was that this activity would be "in the public's best interest."

But why would our government decide to create this program? One possibility is that in a frantic campaign to reduce the amount of sunlight hitting our atmosphere by 1 to 2%, a reflective barrier needs to be established in our skies, worldwide. In other words, a way to offset global greenhouse warming.

The other possibility is that as part of the HAARP mission, a particulate grid must be created to allow for the operation of an "over-the horizon" radar system.

HAARP itself is located halfway between Anchorage and Fairbanks Alaska. Its first phase was completed in 1995, and it employed a 3 by 6 grid of 18 antennas. There are three towers designed to transmit extremely low frequency (ELF) waves. When these towers signal such beams on up through the atmosphere, into the ionosphere, they affect the electrojet (the high altitude jetstream, with ultra-high speed winds, that have a good deal to do with the weather patterns on earth below) in a controlled manner. The main strategy consists of beaming these ELF waves in such a way as to hit at right angles to the electrojet. This causes the river of electro-magnetic energy to spread sideways.

But where the discussion of chemtrails and HAARP manage to converge is in the creation and distribution of the chemically enhanced grids. Do these planes with their effluvia spreading out in patterns over our skies have to do with a shielding? Or perhaps a gridding of the planet that would enable the HAARP emissions to flow into the grid and somehow affect the radar capabilities, the weather, etc.?

It is also known that various activities related to HAARP allow for vast earth tomographic investigations. In the US war against Afghanistan, the many tunnels and caves where various Afghans hid during our bombing campaign were mapped out by various new technologies.

The Afghani War was fought mainly by the forces of the United States at night. Using night vision and other devices, we could see in the dark, the enemy could not. Nick Begich, a long-time investigator into HAARP, is predicting that as the Second Iraqi War begins, our new technologies will have completely mapped out those underground installations where Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction" are hidden away.

Interestingly enough, the new technology suggests the totally interwoven structure of the military industrial complex, now a single entity and as powerful as the predicted beast that Eisenhower spoke of. Already, Haliburton, (Vice-President Dick Cheney's corporation), has used technology such as HAARP to allow that corporation to ascertain where underground oil fields exist and where they do not, so that the decisions to drill are always profitable.

Also some of those who have investigated HAARP are also concerned about other applications employing microwave technology that can be used as "mind-control" weapons over civilians. In recent months, Newsweek detailed how a vending machine already exists that can send out a subliminal "audio" signal to whatever human being may be walking by it, with the suggestion that "You are thirsty now. Wouldn't you like a soda." And as this suggestion exists below the normal conscious sensory apparatus of a human, it has an extremely powerful effect. The entire experience takes place through beaming microwave energy at the hapless human.

All over this County, phone crews are updating cable installations, optic fiber channels, and other high tech installations. Some critics have pointed out that these installations could easily carry the "mind-control" microwave pulse signal devices as well. With these devices the subliminal message might not be involved with purchasing sodas, but with causing indifference to an unwanted war.

My reporting on these activities and devices may seem crazy to some readers. However, even if there are no devices to directly manipulate us by the Powers that be, there are other concerns. These include indirect health risks that the cell phone antenna technology, the relentless ELF activity of HAARP playing with the strings of chemtrails in the sky, occurring each minute of each day, might be causing. We as a species have never experienced an onslaught of such electromagnetic pollution before. Although the earth itself operates through a giant magnetic field, the current that it puts out is direct current, not the pulsing emanations of these waves. We are now a guinea pig species. What will come of these experiments will only be known as time unfolds.

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US HAARP Weapon Development
Concerns Russian Duma
US Could Dominate The Planet If It Deploys This Weapon In Space
Interfax News Agency
8-10-2


MOSCOW (Interfax) - The Russian State Duma has expressed concern about the USA's programme to develop a qualitatively new type of weapon.

"Under the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Programme (HAARP) [website address: http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/], the USA is creating new integral geophysical weapons that may influence the near-Earth medium with high-frequency radio waves," the State Duma said in an appeal circulated on Thursday [8 August].

"The significance of this qualitative leap could be compared to the transition from cold steel to firearms, or from conventional weapons to nuclear weapons. This new type of weapons differs from previous types in that the near-Earth medium becomes at once an object of direct influence and its component.

These conclusions were made by the commission of the State Duma's international affairs and defence committees, the statement reads.

The committees reported that the USA is planning to test three facilities of this kind. One of them is located on the military testing ground in Alaska and its full-scale tests are to begin in early 2003. The second one is in Greenland and the third one in Norway.

"When these facilities are launched into space from Norway, Alaska and Greenland, a closed contour will be created with a truly fantastic integral potential for influencing the near-Earth medium," the State Duma said.

The USA plans to carry out large-scale scientific experiments under the HAARP programme, and not controlled by the global community, will create weapons capable of breaking radio communication lines and equipment installed on spaceships and rockets, provoke serious accidents in electricity networks and in oil and gas pipelines and have a negative impact on the mental health of people populating entire regions, the deputies said.

They demanded that an international ban be put on such large-scale geophysical experiments.

The appeal, signed by 90 deputies, has been sent to President Vladimir Putin, to the UN and other international organizations, to the parliaments and leaders of the UN member countries, to the scientific public and to mass media outlets.

Among those who signed the appeal are Tatyana Astrakhankina, Nikolay Kharitonov, Yegor Ligachev, Sergey Reshulskiy, Vitaliy Sevastyanov, Viktor Cherepkov, Valentin Zorkaltsev and Aleksey Mitrofanov.


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HAARP Theory And
Chemtrails - Research Goals
By Jim Phelps
12-5-3

It appears that on the chemtrails CCF bulletin board there is much concern about the HAARP system and its relationship to chemtrails techniques. The HAARP system is a high powered PWM transmitter and phased array antenna system. It is about experiments on the upper layers of the ionosphere. Some of the experiments look into its use as a deep penetration communications system for nuclear subs, some of the experiments look into changing the ion density and reaction rates of pollutants in the upper atmosphere, and some is aimed at understanding conduction effects in the ion layers.

Where does this all lead? Some of the more interesting directions are towards some of the work of Tesla, ie, where he suggested recovering energy from the atmosphere and some special high energy weapons. Tesla was into high voltage and atmospheric effects. It is not hard to notice what Tesla's objectives were about, collecting the Sun's energy stored in the atmosphere. He noted that the atmosphere tends to collect a lot of charge from the electrons entering the North Pole zones and Protons entering the South Pole. If one could harness this charge then one would have almost unlimited clean electric power, almost direct from the Sun. This would eliminate the problems with coal emissions poisoning the planet, solve the extreme risks associated with the nuclear power direction, and slow the use of limited oil resources. [ Interesting article here on oil: http://www.oilcrash.com/eating.htm ]

Indeed, lots of the Star Wars weapons related issues connected to HAARP and chemtrails is about understanding these ion layers and harnessing these Solar power methods. Some of it is also linked to weapons work, and to seeking nonpolluting power from the Sun. This is how the barium chemtrail methods enters into the chemtrail's mix, because these set up conduction processes in the atmosphere and do things like change the Earth potential gradient and make for plates or giant electrodes that may someday be used to harness the charge liberated from the Sun's fusion energy releases.

The methods are similar to that called the MHD methods that use magnetic fields to separate ions and electrons to generate power. The Russians pioneered the MHD methods, and some of the most silent submarine designs use these propulsion methods. It makes the US Sea Wolf silent sub designs look like antiques. MHD methods are what makes the Van Allen Belt effects separate the charges impacting the Earth. The charge collected in the Earth's atmosphere is huge and more than enough to power large cities with no pollution.

There is a long standing mystery for some that involves a region is Russia called Tunguska, where a meteor ionized the atmosphere and caused a huge discharge of the charge energy stored in the Earth's atmosphere that released energies comparable to nuclear bombs. This is the weapons direction of Star Wars. The other direction is to find ways to harness this charge collection and use it to power the planet, and eliminate or highly reduce both fossil fuels and nuclear power needs. If the research can pull this off, then we have some ideal condition for using fusion energy and not polluting the planet. It makes for a highly sustainable energy solution for Earth. The problems come in how we get to this stage of sophistication.

The other alternatives energy issue is that the Cold Fusion principles work, and the only reason it is being stymied is over the Bush connections to big oil. Cold Fusion can solve lots of problems, as it is very nonpolluting. Its principle uses the colloid metal conduction effects in liquids and the metal-gas boundary region to promote fusion or what was called transmutation in the old world of alchemy. The problems are that the Bush connections are into many things from the cover up of where Mt. Sinai is in Arabia and the real issues of US evangelism, to the cover up of cold fusion, to that of the directions of Star Wars, chemtrails, and HAARP.

These are complex times where the goals of US National Security have become the enemies of the American Citizens and the friend of corporate goals. All is at risk in these highly turbulent times, and the national security system likes casualties for profit.

HAARP has many goals: 1. Testing the removal of pollutant in the upper ion regions by using heating methods, 2. Testing the effects of inducing acoustic responses into the Earth crust using the low FREQ PWM technique to control stress, 3. Testing the deep penetration communication systems based on skin depth for nuclear subs, and 4. Testing how to modify the conductivity of the upper ionization layers for power collection system used for electrical or weapons applications.

When these type studies are done under the control of high security, there are going to be a lot of problems with abuses of power. This is truly the case when the actions and goals of the Bush Adm. are examined. There is too much secrecy in these projects and the levels of abuse have become extreme.

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have you seen this:
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/GLOBE/contrails/pers_sp/list.cgi

amazing propaganda

e.g quote: This is a fairly common sight on the East Coast, where lots and lots of airplanes fly between the major cities of the Eastern Seaboard. However this photo captures a wonderful display of these contrails, showing them at various stages of "spreading".

Misters and Misses in NASA, con-trails didn't give me lung infection.

Strangely, certain plane fumes did just that, when I was on vacation in Croatia.

[bennycog]

I eventually slept while waiting.. thanx for the update on it fred..
I definitely have seen all the other instruments on aircraft that i have been in..
I am 100 percent onboard that the spraying attachments are used or was built for the purpose of testing engines in flight.. I also understand that these could also be used for other means.. eg cloud seeding, chemicals intoduced into the atmosphere..
Most things end up in some other aspect of civilisation from what it was formally introduced for.. and most of these things have helped humanity. eg velcro, (long list follows)

[observer]

Putting This Issue To Rest

'Chemtrails v. Contrails'

Within the membership of this forum there are many individuals with diversified mental abilities. Many of our members have the ability to 'see' more than one aspect of any given phenomenon.... to place those conflicting paths of evidence into separate compartments.... to name these conflicting concepts with different titles.

It is a well known understanding (which needs no documentation), there has been a centuries-old eugenics movement - the manifestation of which shows-up in:


The food we eat,
The water we drink,
The medications we are given,
The environment we live within,
.... And yes, even the air we breath.


There is no need for me to convince most of the members of these evidential facts. This eugenics movement is centuries old; driven at the apex of global control; very much on-track.

There is much regarding the 'atmospheric condition' argument that is undeniably true in factual accuracy. Many of the members have stipulated to that fact. Many of the members have changed their thinking regarding the vast majority of what they were seeing in the sky. It IS true, most of what we see, and think are chemtrails, are nothing more than water vapor condensed into a cloud-like structure.

This explanation DOES NOT address much of the documentation that has been presented as the volumes of evidence appearing in multiple threads on this topic.

Since joining the predecessor to this current forum (for me) Avalon has always represented a place where ideas can be presented - both new and old - and digested on an individual basis. Never have I witnessed an individual that was so determined to 'force' their point of view on the members.

In my humble opinion, it is time for all of the members to accept the fact that we are looking at the evidence for two separate and unrelated phenomenon:

1. There is no doubt most of what we see in the sky are Contrails.
2. Some of what we see are Chemtrails. There is simply too much evidence to this fact.

[Maia Gabrial]

About a month ago, I saw a NATO plane releasing BLACK CHEMTRAILS.... It seemed more ominous than the regular stuff....
Maia