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31st January 2011, 00:44
These abilities are normally and naturally going along with your spiritual development. They are called “Siddhis” and are regarded as obstacles during your strive to enlightenment.
They are obstacles because they can tempt the disciple to use them for her/his own benefit or perceived benefit for others. As this motivation is rooted in a limited judgement, these abilities can give rise to notions of increased EGO, fulfilment of desires (Lust, Greed etc.) and karmic involvement into the lives of others.
EGO: Imagine you can manipulate you common human around, you can boast and impress with these abilities. Imagine yourself during an important business negotiation: You will know the thoughts, intentions and hidden agendas of your business opponents, which will give you a huge leverage over them. Common folks will be no match for you, as hinted by Charles. Often you will see the real intend behind the façade and it can fill you with contempt.
That will (most likely) result in elitism and recklessness and if combined with social success: Off you go, to become a small 33….
LUST: Imagine you can watch your favourite girl/boy, whatever remotely under the shower or can influence a relationship with you.
GREED: Imagine you can influence horses on a racetrack or you foresee numbers in a casino…
The Siddhis appear naturally, if already a certain spiritual level has been achieved. At that point the aspirant has a (small) chance to overcome them and go ahead. Most fail at that point and are dragged back, even so more powerful, into the worldly realm, which is called Samsara.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsara
A fully enlightened being can use the Siddhis for the benefit of others without karmic repercussions.
These abilities can also be activated through special exercises, intake of real ORMES or as Charles said, through a device. The problem is, that you now have these abilities while your personality has not grown accordingly. Thus the personal dangers of using these abilities have now become extreme.
What many people see here as a boon, can turn into a curse:
Imagine yourself in a fully stacked subway and a dispute brakes out about who will occupy the last vacant seat. If you are highly telepathic, then your brain can become “minced” by the emotions around you. The result: You might become less social and will look for more sensitive and stable people.
Automatically you will detach yourself from the “normal” community and will become elitistic.
If you are not in control of yourself, then you will go so deep into the rabbit hole that you will be stuck there for many generations…
Here something more about the Siddhis:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8811-Spiritual-Reality&p=77860
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I am starting this thread because its an intersting topic that came up in the "Charles and His Abilities" thread that I personally feel could use more discussion.
I value this contribution in understanding from ancient texts. And certainly I feel there is a balancing point or acceptance of boundaries with which how one uses and explores these abilities, as they awaken, as one awakens.
However I am always very cautious about deploying knowledge from ancient texts in the present for this reason: they are insights from a DEAD world. As such, they have value to help us see what WAS, but they may or may not be useful in recognizing how to proceed NOW. I personally am interested in the NOW, and am doing enormous work to continually deprogramme all the 'past' cords that serve primarily as limitation for my existence in the present.
In addition, there is something of this understanding, that one's growing special abilities are NOT to be used, that smells an awful lot like a patriarchal rat to me. I am 'trying' to be gentle, but I've put up with a lot of that in my life and also my awakening, so please do excuse if I come off brash. I'm working on my presentation still... as I said, 'trying', not yet 'doing'. We know what Yoda says about that....
IME, taking intuition as an example of a 'special ability', it took years for me to overcome the standard anti-woman programming that tells young girls not to listen to the voice within themselves. All manner of misfortune befell me until I was given some sage advise, began to listen to myself, and took my special ability of inner voice to heart. I know for certain had I NOT done this, I would not be here today typing these words.
Clearly, humanity is making the crux move(s) on the big climb, right now, as we speak. If this is the case, is it really wise to shun these gifts? Is it possible that in that ancient world, it was best to shun them because we weren't ready, the timing wasn't right? Was that the message of wise forebearance? But now, in our LIVING WORLD, is it really advisable to act on measures devised in what is now a DEAD WORLD? If we don't deploy our special abilities now, refine them, understand their limits and our own, learn responsible boundaries, are we returning a most precious gift intended to be opened in these times, even when we need it most?
A thoughtful discussion on these matters would be most helpful, and appreciated.
Much Love, A Padouan (Jedi-in-Training)
They are obstacles because they can tempt the disciple to use them for her/his own benefit or perceived benefit for others. As this motivation is rooted in a limited judgement, these abilities can give rise to notions of increased EGO, fulfilment of desires (Lust, Greed etc.) and karmic involvement into the lives of others.
EGO: Imagine you can manipulate you common human around, you can boast and impress with these abilities. Imagine yourself during an important business negotiation: You will know the thoughts, intentions and hidden agendas of your business opponents, which will give you a huge leverage over them. Common folks will be no match for you, as hinted by Charles. Often you will see the real intend behind the façade and it can fill you with contempt.
That will (most likely) result in elitism and recklessness and if combined with social success: Off you go, to become a small 33….
LUST: Imagine you can watch your favourite girl/boy, whatever remotely under the shower or can influence a relationship with you.
GREED: Imagine you can influence horses on a racetrack or you foresee numbers in a casino…
The Siddhis appear naturally, if already a certain spiritual level has been achieved. At that point the aspirant has a (small) chance to overcome them and go ahead. Most fail at that point and are dragged back, even so more powerful, into the worldly realm, which is called Samsara.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsara
A fully enlightened being can use the Siddhis for the benefit of others without karmic repercussions.
These abilities can also be activated through special exercises, intake of real ORMES or as Charles said, through a device. The problem is, that you now have these abilities while your personality has not grown accordingly. Thus the personal dangers of using these abilities have now become extreme.
What many people see here as a boon, can turn into a curse:
Imagine yourself in a fully stacked subway and a dispute brakes out about who will occupy the last vacant seat. If you are highly telepathic, then your brain can become “minced” by the emotions around you. The result: You might become less social and will look for more sensitive and stable people.
Automatically you will detach yourself from the “normal” community and will become elitistic.
If you are not in control of yourself, then you will go so deep into the rabbit hole that you will be stuck there for many generations…
Here something more about the Siddhis:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8811-Spiritual-Reality&p=77860
.
I am starting this thread because its an intersting topic that came up in the "Charles and His Abilities" thread that I personally feel could use more discussion.
I value this contribution in understanding from ancient texts. And certainly I feel there is a balancing point or acceptance of boundaries with which how one uses and explores these abilities, as they awaken, as one awakens.
However I am always very cautious about deploying knowledge from ancient texts in the present for this reason: they are insights from a DEAD world. As such, they have value to help us see what WAS, but they may or may not be useful in recognizing how to proceed NOW. I personally am interested in the NOW, and am doing enormous work to continually deprogramme all the 'past' cords that serve primarily as limitation for my existence in the present.
In addition, there is something of this understanding, that one's growing special abilities are NOT to be used, that smells an awful lot like a patriarchal rat to me. I am 'trying' to be gentle, but I've put up with a lot of that in my life and also my awakening, so please do excuse if I come off brash. I'm working on my presentation still... as I said, 'trying', not yet 'doing'. We know what Yoda says about that....
IME, taking intuition as an example of a 'special ability', it took years for me to overcome the standard anti-woman programming that tells young girls not to listen to the voice within themselves. All manner of misfortune befell me until I was given some sage advise, began to listen to myself, and took my special ability of inner voice to heart. I know for certain had I NOT done this, I would not be here today typing these words.
Clearly, humanity is making the crux move(s) on the big climb, right now, as we speak. If this is the case, is it really wise to shun these gifts? Is it possible that in that ancient world, it was best to shun them because we weren't ready, the timing wasn't right? Was that the message of wise forebearance? But now, in our LIVING WORLD, is it really advisable to act on measures devised in what is now a DEAD WORLD? If we don't deploy our special abilities now, refine them, understand their limits and our own, learn responsible boundaries, are we returning a most precious gift intended to be opened in these times, even when we need it most?
A thoughtful discussion on these matters would be most helpful, and appreciated.
Much Love, A Padouan (Jedi-in-Training)