TRUMP a RUSSIAN agent

[7he5ource]

thread moved for title

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129364-TRUMP-says-CANADA-should-be-an-American-state

now all data here

[7he5ource]

Was Donald Trump recruited by the KGB under codename ‘Krasnov’?
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20250305-was-donald-trump-recruited-by-the-kgb-under-codename-krasnov

this video examines Putin's ambitions to take Europe
and some of [i have more] the Trump has 40 yrs with the KGB/FSB

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYI4EoAPq4U
Was Donald Trump recruited by the KGB under codename Krasnov? • FRANCE 24 English



this video is less meat more vegan but there IS and has been for nearly 40 yrs that Trump had not just mafia connections in Russia but military intelligence and USA military is concerned if not scared


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j60Xfqnezuw
Even US Generals STUNNED by Trump’s Pro-Putin Agenda!

[7he5ource]

I'm old enough to know this is likely the being ab info junkie and investigator for nearly 50 yrs
and Trump has effectively destroyed the civil service and social services of USA in 2 months
Americans may be too obese, diabetic, alcoholic, drugged, and apathetic [older ones] to see this, younger Americans
too uninformed without living through the cold war, bomb shelters in many suburban homes, air-raid sirens on top of most schools and fear used to further illicit [CIA] drugs [promising expanded consciousness [not stupidity]

Examining claim Trump was recruited by KGB in 1987 and given codename 'Krasnov'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/examining-claim-trump-recruited-kgb-030000387.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEITFkZO2FMoav85H7WBrBrSuF_xAnMU1rGRdXYEn_CSEOwWKtZHvka8D36-bGx02u0d_-TbGhB2PPPGnFkR3PbF_VdsgV02HogrY-p-b6puLB8ww1VnwawXUwUcNc_mUTu1tv4f6Y3ZZKMuwZ8_gH4NkNubScBZ222E-Sbqhh5X

the article offers this tidbit of evidence USA media is afraid and redacting data on Trump's love affair with the FSB/KGB or that he had an ego fetish since childhood to be ''a spy'',


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzgTjEOg-nM
John Bolton on how Russia's Putin plays Trump



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeqxufNpzM8
Comrade Trump: Is his relationship with Russia too close for comfort? | DW News


more

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITYZPBJUuiM
'Trump is a Russian asset' | Craig Unger


this video argues ''agent or asset''
i personally put trump much higher that agent but part of the cabal of administration.directorship

As Trump pivots to Russia, allies weigh sharing less intel with U.S.

Members of the so-called Five Eyes spy alliance, as well as Israeli and Saudi officials, fear the identities of foreign assets could inadvertently be shared with Moscow.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-pivots-russia-allies-weigh-sharing-less-intel-us-rcna194420

I have my own limited association within the CIA [never paid or often unwilling]
but mu dad a scientist in interplanetary craft was always surrounded ny CIA CSIS or British intel he started with A, V, Roe avro who very interested in the groom lake activities and the avrocar was just a public hoax to dissuade believers

as a child i sometimes enter my dads locked briefcase and asked questions twice meeting high level officers in the corporation [cia]

harmonic resonance frequency weapons were in mainstream news the [early 60s] and and engineering magazines as were molecular building blocks using holograms,

Elon's Grok Chatbot Calculates Probability That Trump Is a ...

Elon Musk's "anti-woke" AI chatbot, Grok, seems to think there's a very high likelihood that Donald Trump is a Russian asset
https://futurism.com › grok-trump-russian-asset

That killionaire sissy nerd Musk built a machine that says probability factor Trump works for Putin is 75-80%
ironic the strongest supporter makes a clown of his superhero

ive studied trump [duck mcscriooge] since 2015 and his parents didn't even want him [link lost in time]
but stated he was violent with other kids and in the house and military school [a king of reform school with high sex abuse] was the way to ''get rid of him''

his psychological profile is not good

i want to add as a long time investigator that conspiracy theories is how police, PI's, intelligence agencies and vetting processes in large corporations come to the truth via process of elimination
there is a mountain of dis-info to climb here
but i am assured regardless of fake stories the real story is that he is Russian at heart wanting to destroy western way of life


headline
Donald Trump spying allegations: more likely useful idiot .
disagree, and supposing an adversary to be stupid is the most dangerous mistake
the assignment [subvert usa] was orchestrated like clockwork, meticulous, accurate, cunning, and brilliant

remember Crimea? i have files on how water from their river was crucial to pump oil from the sea
it's biblical [not religious] in its execution ... and that was the day the west's downfall began without courage to sent military in and vaporize Russians, because not cutting at the nib will cause millions of westerners to be vaporized
]

what says the bible of satan the antichrist?
''He shall destroy many by peace''
many of those hippie peace and love drugs weren't CIA but KGB experiments and the peace movement weakened the west more than any other operation.

and trump says he is desperate for peace in Gaza and Ukraine ?
same KGB/FSB propaganda different decade

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i am somewhat serious when i say i see this as a ''declaration of war by USA vs Canada
it would have been [ras]putin's idea [the ''holy devil''] and Canada needs its own safe guards even if turning its own reactors into bombs, USA is not a protector.

putin rasputin poetry ...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQYLnXPwcs
[B]The Comprehensive Timeline Of Donald Trump's History With Russia | The Last Word | MSNBC



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r32CxeWTs1c
Report: Russian Mob Money Helped Build Donald Trump Business Empire | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

[7he5ource]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxZAvKlZ7qc
British MP: ‘Trump could be a Russian asset’
Trump FSB / KGB asset ... or worse

[palehorse]

not big fan of Trump, but yes his psychological profile is a bit messed up, and his relationship with various Russian oligarchs, I doubt it was just a friend's meeting for a cup of coffee. Good luck digging this dirty hole.

[norman]

errrmm . . . .


Dear ChatGTP,

Please construct a narrative to destroy the popular support and mandate of President Trump.

Make it a long tedious string of hard and slow to disprove "facts" that will do maximum damage before it's exposed as untrue.

[7he5ource]

Canada a state ...

remained loyal to the queen/throne/ancestral extended family
had two military wars with USA and burnt down the white house twice in said wars
USA did not win ww2 they tricked Canada to go into the beach-heads 1st [Dieppe] Canada suffering more casualties as Americans walked on over their dead bodies
history and Hollywood omit this vital point Canada won ww2
when the Shaw of Iran was ousted Canada issued Canadian passports to 48 CIA operatives pretending to
be American diplomats and embassy staff
Canada supported numerous USA military adventurism abroad acting as peacekeeping forces
British royals always preferred Canada to USA for being a society of rule of law, and war heroes that saved Europe [not lawsuits] and less belligerent violent society
Canada remains loyal to its "gene pool of extended ancestral family in Europe" USA betrayed its ancestral homeland
Canada does not export drugs to USA its the opposite
if the the USA/Canadian border were militarized this would cost trillions
and much of USA's weapons systems are on Canadian soil [NORAD] and should be removed if we aren't allies/friends
all USA military personal/diplomats expelled and the USA embassy littered with spy devices should be demolished
Canada is half french colony if the 2 join all Americans must learn french

psychological war
verbal war
gender war
military war

war is war USA has declared war on Canada ... and USA NORAD bases in Canada should be removed or sabotaged, nuclear silos buried under tonnes of concrete unless removed
all NORAD facilities destroyed leaving USA unprotected open nuclear attack

What if Canadian troops should invade USA and execute orders of optimum kill
Is it better in hell to die proud patriots than join the trump mafia sissies sect of killionaire nerds

Canada doesn't need USA ... lets use Trump thinking here
NUKE EM ALL !

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

why pick on Canada ?

Russia wants it

Does Canada have lots of resources?
Canada is the global leader in potash production and ranks among the top five global producers of diamonds, gemstones, gold, indium, niobium, platinum group metals, titanium concentrate and uranium. Canada is also the world's fourth-largest producer of primary aluminum


uranium from the CANU REACTOR sod to India gave them the a bomb
then pakis, then UER, then over 290 nations currently have suckcesssfully tested A bombs
Canada and France helping Iran didn't make peace on earth it made over 20 nuclear armed nation enough to destroy serveral solar systems

[norman]

MSNBC has absolutely nothing left to lose.

It got the short straw for this.

[7he5ource]

i am somewhat serious when i say i see this as a ''declaration of war by USA vs Canada
it would have been [ras]putin's idea [the ''holy devil''] and Canada needs its own safe guards even if turning its own reactors into bombs, USA is not a protector.

putin rasputin poetry ...

FbQYLnXPwcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQYLnXPwcs
[B]The Comprehensive Timeline Of Donald Trump's History With Russia | The Last Word | MSNBC



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r32CxeWTs1c
Report: Russian Mob Money Helped Build Donald Trump Business Empire | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

[7he5ource]

caution before reading this rant be aware it is not a call to arms or violence but the speech is designed to promote thought and inform



Canada
remained loyal to the queen/throne/ancestral extended family
had two military wars with USA and burnt down the white house twice in said wars
USA did not win ww2 they tricked Canada to go into the beach-heads 1st [Dieppe] Canada suffering more casualties as Americans walked on over their dead bodies
history and Hollywood omit this vital point Canada won ww2
when the Shaw of Iran was ousted Canada issued Canadian passports to 48 CIA operatives pretending to
be American diplomats and embassy staff
Canada supported numerous USA military adventurism abroad acting as peacekeeping forces
British royals always preferred Canada to USA for being a society of rule of law, and war heroes that saved Europe [not lawsuits] and less belligerent violent society
Canada remains loyal to its "gene pool of extended ancestral family in Europe" USA betrayed its ancestral homeland
Canada does not export drugs to USA its the opposite
if the the USA/Canadian border were militarized this would cost trillions
and much of USA's weapons systems are on Canadian soil [NORAD] and should be revoked if we aren't allies/friends
all USA military personal expelled and the USA embassy littered with spy devices should be demolished
Canada is half french colony if the 2 join all Americans must learn french

psychological war
verbal war
gender war
military war

war is war USA has declared war on Canada ... and USA NORAD bases in Canada should be destroyed or sabotaged, nuke silos buried under tonnes of concrete unless removed
all NORAD facilities destroyed leaving USA unprotected open nuclear attack



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British MP: ‘Trump could be a Russian asset’
Trump FSB / KGB asset ... or worse


i edited the title because of course Canadians are too uninformed to accept the Russian Mafia financed his casinos, the FBI said they were close to an indictment then it stopped like it never happened.

Next posts will focus on both why USA wants to destroy Canada and NATO
his history [according sources you will see] with the KGB

Hilary said he is Putin's puppet
he won't stop at Ukraine
Europe is the real target

You are soooooooo right with everything here, you have to be completely brainwashed made blind not to see 10% of what you say, which would be enough to be high treason. I still cannot believe members here that are supposed to be more aware and intelligent than average are just average if not below it.

And yes, this is a declaration of war. With Canada, Europe, the world, Putin must be soooooooo happy.

They are not informed, Americans AND forum members, and when we want to inform them with facts, they deny it. How less bright can you be. This is exactly what happened with Brits when Hitler wanted to invade France and all.

A clairvoyant one said that he was seeing China invading Canada from the west and I thought wow, we will have to fight them. I never thought they might invade us to protect us from USA's aggression. I thought the clairvoyant was gonzo, now not so much.

i moved you reply other thread dead
im not political religious or have any affiliations just repeating propaganda true or not
thnx for reply

[Flash]

caution before reading this rant be aware it is not a call to arms or violence but the speech is designed to promote thought and inform



Canada
remained loyal to the queen/throne/ancestral extended family
had two military wars with USA and burnt down the white house twice in said wars
USA did not win ww2 they tricked Canada to go into the beach-heads 1st [Dieppe] Canada suffering more casualties as Americans walked on over their dead bodies
history and Hollywood omit this vital point Canada won ww2
when the Shaw of Iran was ousted Canada issued Canadian passports to 48 CIA operatives pretending to
be American diplomats and embassy staff
Canada supported numerous USA military adventurism abroad acting as peacekeeping forces
British royals always preferred Canada to USA for being a society of rule of law, and war heroes that saved Europe [not lawsuits] and less belligerent violent society
Canada remains loyal to its "gene pool of extended ancestral family in Europe" USA betrayed its ancestral homeland
Canada does not export drugs to USA its the opposite
if the the USA/Canadian border were militarized this would cost trillions
and much of USA's weapons systems are on Canadian soil [NORAD] and should be revoked if we aren't allies/friends
all USA military personal expelled and the USA embassy littered with spy devices should be demolished
Canada is half french colony if the 2 join all Americans must learn french

psychological war
verbal war
gender war
military war

war is war USA has declared war on Canada ... and USA NORAD bases in Canada should be destroyed or sabotaged, nuke silos buried under tonnes of concrete unless removed
all NORAD facilities destroyed leaving USA unprotected open nuclear attack



hxZAvKlZ7qc
British MP: ‘Trump could be a Russian asset’
Trump FSB / KGB asset ... or worse


i edited the title because of course Canadians are too uninformed to accept the Russian Mafia financed his casinos, the FBI said they were close to an indictment then it stopped like it never happened.

Next posts will focus on both why USA wants to destroy Canada and NATO
his history [according sources you will see] with the KGB

Hilary said he is Putin's puppet
he won't stop at Ukraine
Europe is the real target

You are soooooooo right with everything here, you have to be completely brainwashed made blind not to see 10% of what you say, which would be enough to be high treason. I still cannot believe members here that are supposed to be more aware and intelligent than average are just average if not below it.

And yes, this is a declaration of war. With Canada, Europe, the world, Putin must be soooooooo happy.

They are not informed, Americans AND forum members, and when we want to inform them with facts, they deny it. How less bright can you be. This is exactly what happened with Brits when Hitler wanted to invade France and all.

A clairvoyant one said that he was seeing China invading Canada from the west and I thought wow, we will have to fight them. I never thought they might invade us to protect us from USA's aggression. I thought the clairvoyant was gonzo, now not so much.

i moved you reply other thread dead
im not political religious or have any affiliations just repeating propaganda true or not
thnx for reply

je ne comprends pas, why move my comments? And I have no political religious affiliation, these are my opinions, based on a ton of information dating from 50 years back. And the clearvoyant thing is anecdotal. My reflexion on it.

Oh I think I understand, you moved my comment here because the other thread is dead, is it this?

Je suis francophone, si c'est plus facile on peut s'envoyer des messages en privé.

[7he5ource]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeqxufNpzM8


trump -1
how many knew before boting his clan consisted of mafia lords and felons
trump 2
how many knew of his 40 yr verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry close ties to Russia?

YsIntuxmXf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsIntuxmXf0
US author explains Donald Trump’s Russia, KGB connections




https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/craig-unger-trump-is-owned-by-the-russia-mob-1306083395678
Craig Unger: Trump is owned by the Russia mob

sorry for all the CIAtubes

looking for scholarly articles

Russia: Trump & His Team's Ties - Eric Swalwell - House.gov
House.gov
http://swalwell.house.gov › issues › russia-trump-his-adm...
Shnaider's father-in-law, Boris J. Birshtein, was a close business associate of Sergei Mikhaylov, the head of one of the largest branches of the Russian mob


House of Trump, House of Putin: The Untold Story ...
Amazon.com
https://www.amazon.com › House-Trump-Putin-Untold...
The first comprehensive investigation into the decades-long relationship among Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and the Russian Mafia that ultimately helped win


HEY RASPUTIN '''LETS HACK HILLARY



Amazon.com
https://www.amazon.com › Trump-Russia-Definitive-Se...
trump has a very long history with the Russian mafia as does Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Carter Page, and many others that were within his circle.

[Sue (Ayt)]

7he5ource - Would you like the other thread to be totally deleted?

Reminder - Members can always click the "report post" icon to the far right of the THANKS icon to alert mods to desired changed or to report problems.

[7he5ource]

Trump Had Ties to Russian Mob Figures: Testimony

Glenn R. Simpson, co-founder of the research firm Fusion GPS, arrives at a House Intelligence Committee hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington in November.

The founder of an opposition research firm that assembled a now-infamous dossier on Donald Trump during his presidential campaign told congressional investigators in November that Trump, as a real estate developer, had ties to Russian mafia figures who appeared to be laundering money through Trump-owned and Trump-licensed properties.

"It gradually reached a point where it seemed like most of the people around Trump had a connection to Russian organized crime or Russia in one way or another," Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson said, according to a transcript of the interview released Thursday.

[7he5ource]

Melania Trump Meets Putin After Being Trapped in Residence Amid G-20 Protests
Melania Trump was sent in to end the meeting between her husband and Russian leader Vladimir Putin after it ran overtime, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said.


who is running USA ?
Russian mail-order brides from Yugoslavia ????????????


All of Trump’s Russia Ties, in 7 Charts
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/

this will make you say wow
look for ''scholarly articles on duck mcScrooge and model Melania

Since Melania Trump is 53 years old and certainly grew up in Russia controlled territory, is it conceivable that the KGB used her to marry Donald Trump and was being used by the Russian intelligence agencies to exert influence on his presidency?

trump has thing about women he buys
all wives were bought in outright payments
and bonus payments if they have kinds
read this during 1st term

[7he5ource]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH62pDkFZIw
Donald Trump asks Keir Starmer if UK can take on Russia by itself



answer yes in a thermonuclear showdown ... the end of UK, USA, and much of Europe
but surface life ALL in Russia would be vaporized

and don't forget 1srahell with UNadmitted hundreds of ready to fire war heads
enough to exterminate life on earth several times over

can the fragility of the planet survive a Nuke war
unlikely on surface and space huts or underground Archie bunker hovels cant live long


yes the proximity of UK to USSR make it possible to exterminate china and Russia


keep in mind weapons exist much more powerful than nukes and tronald dump
is and idiot for asking'
classified weapons are all over from space to buildings with stealth detection shielding

neither putin nor trump know of these weapons




the question is can the planet afford having its atmosphere blown off

[7he5ource]

conflict of interest illegal violation of constitution ,,, Donald Trump's financial disclosures neglected to include hundreds of trademarks he owns — including over 100 in China and six in Russia
received money [lots] from Russia used hacking to defeat Hillary and received money from fellow felons
China


From Wikipedia, the free propaganda anyone can defraud
Trump–Russia relations



Donald Trump has pursued business deals in Russia since 1987, and has repeatedly traveled there to explore potential business opportunities. In 1996, Trump trademark applications were submitted for potential Russian real estate development deals. Trump, his children, and his partners have repeatedly visited Russia, connecting with real estate developers and Russian government officials to explore joint venture opportunities. Trump was never able to successfully conclude any real estate deals in Russia. However, individual Russians have invested heavily in Trump properties, and, following Trump's bankruptcies in the 1990s, he borrowed money from Russian sources. Both Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump have said that Russia was an important source of money for the Trump businesses.

Efforts to build a Trump building in Moscow continued into June 2016 while Trump was securing the Republican nomination for the presidential election.

In January 2017, BuzzFeed News reported the existence of the then-unverified Steele dossier (also called the Trump–Russia dossier), which alleges connections between Trump associates and Russia. Trump responded the next day, and again at a February news conference, that he has no financial connections to Russia. In response to ongoing questions, White House press secretary Sean Spicer reiterated in May that Trump has no business connections to Russia. Also in May, Trump's tax lawyers sent a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee saying Trump had not received any income from Russian sources over the past 10 years "with a few exceptions".
Trump's pre-Presidential business dealings with Russia were scrutinized by the special counsel.

Melania is suspicious investigation needed
the duck that quacks blasphemy isn't suspicious

[I am B]

Seems like a bot went through.

[Kryztian]

Was Donald Trump recruited by the KGB under codename ‘Krasnov’?
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20250305-was-donald-trump-recruited-by-the-kgb-under-codename-krasnov

TYI4EoAPq4U

She is referencing the Steele Dossier as evidence. :facepalm:

Can't you find better quality garbage to pollute the internet and waste our time with than this?

[Open Minded Dude]

7the5ource = Bojancan? :sherlock:

[Rawhide68]

Every day shows its face to me. I don‘t care how it speaks to me. I love every hour.
I love the old cat who is laughing secretly because she knows all paths.
- Karat (Jede Stunde)


will carry you in my arms

[Inversion]

There's rumors Trump is a Knights Templar who were accused of worshiping Baphomet and Elon dressed up as him. Those taken down via DOGE could benefit Putin and add credence to the rumor.

Following the Pi Path (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123248-Following-the-Pi-Path&p=1619780&highlight=Chaldean#post1619780)

The president of Russia Vladimir Putin name anagrams to Virtual Pi Mind.

Satan in Chaledean (https://www.jcchaudhry.com/chaldean-numerology-chart) is Pi or 3.1415

Google AI

Accusations of Heresy:

In 1307, King Philip IV of France had many French Templars arrested and tortured into confessions, claiming they practiced heresy, including idolatrous worship of a bearded male head called Baphomet.

Baphomet as a Symbol:

The accused idol, Baphomet, became a symbol of Satanism and was later embraced by various occult and mystical writers.

Lack of Concrete Evidence:
While the accusations were widespread, there's no concrete historical evidence to suggest that the Knights Templar actually worshipped Baphomet or any other deity besides the Christian God.

Possible Misinterpretations:
Some historians believe the accusations were based on misinterpretations of Templar rituals or symbols, or were fabricated to justify the seizure of Templar wealth and power by the French monarchy.

Trump is NOT the answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1629362&viewfull=1#post1629362)

At 4:56 Alfred Lambremont Webre (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33377-Alfred-Lambremont-Webre-J.D.-M.Ed.-Latest-Videos&highlight=Alfred) claims there's a double meaning with Trump's Maga slogan. It's the highest degree in Anton LeVey's Church of Satan. I recall Kent Dunn saying he's a Knights Templar and they also use the red & white color pattern. At 27:00 he reads information pointing to Trump being an antichrist. His name may refer to trumpet and Little Horn. The Israelis claim he's their messiah after the rally shooting.

churchofsatan (https://www.churchofsatan.com/hierarchy/)

Registered Member (no degree)

Active Member—Satanist (First Degree)

Witch/Warlock (Second Degree)

Priestess/Priest (Third Degree)

Magistra/Magister (Fourth Degree)

Maga/Magus (Fifth Degree)

The Horn of Psalm 148 (https://bibleproject.com/articles/exalted-horn-of-psalm-148/#:~:text=The%20raised%20horn%20is%20a,of%20being%20rescued%20from%20oppression.&text=)%2C%20and%20when%20God%20%E2%80%9Cexalts,bringing%20victory%20to%20the%20oppressed.&text=)%E2%80%94to%20%E2%80%9Cexalt%20the%20horn,his%20anointed%20one%2C%20the%20Messiah.)

The raised horn is a common biblical symbol of victory, especially of being rescued from oppression. ), and when God “exalts the horn” of someone, he is bringing victory to the oppressed. )—to “exalt the horn” of his anointed one, the Messiah.

https://thumbs.odycdn.com/2869c6b4b6dafcc6be01e3047bdb26ae.webp

[bojancan]

7the5ource = Bojancan? :sherlock:

Hello Dude there :highfive:... I am here... I am not 7source....
But I have to say something here...

As you know... in my 80 now, woman older as Donald...
I know about some of Trump's previous moments of his life after he married Ivana from Czechoslovakia... his involvement with Russia as "Krasnov", he was named as and was in some papers in EU in 1990... I remember this name... this name is means "beautiful".. also I remember involvement with Epstein too... but but but .... here in PA, they do not want to hear so much different opinions of Trump... it's so conspiracy aligned... I was always negatively accepted here in PA... if I mentioned something, that is not going strait with their point of view about Donald!

Many reporters were reporting stuff about him in a different publications... all over the Europe... in newspapers too from 1980 on.... 1985... T was a epitome with his girls...
I was living in Slovenia till 2000.. in our family... we were Christians / Catholics...... but many of Slovenians were members of KPJ /Jugoslavia/and later members of Slovenian Communist Party /KPS/...

I am remembering all about it.. what was happening in late 1994.. when Melania became "catalog model" first in Slovenia and later catalog model in Italy, France... and later, she became Trump's girlfriend.. he was not divorced by Marla yet..
As Trump also Melania... they were friends with Epstein and Ghislaine...

Family of Melania Knavs, they were very involved in KPS.. they were a big communists in Melania native town/Sevnica/..
After all this Sagas with friendships above mentioned names... they became all of sudden.. Christians... when Melania's family migrated in US after 2012 or later I do not know exactly. which year.... there are so many lies all around these people... Knavs, Trumps etc....

I always mentioned... one day all of this lies and these pretenders... will be exposed... karma is a bitch.. they say so...

Very interesting, that until these days... we didn't get all infos and files of Epstein Saga from this administration... what do you think... why not????

[ExomatrixTV]

Grok 3.0 "Deep Search" Mode Activated:




Research suggests Donald Trump was not recruited by the KGB under the codename ‘Krasnov’ in 1987, as claimed by a former KGB officer, Alnur Mussayev.
The evidence leans toward this claim being unsubstantiated, with inconsistencies in Mussayev’s career timeline and no credible supporting evidence.
This topic remains controversial, with only speculation about Trump’s ties to Russia, but official investigations found no proof of such recruitment.



Background

Donald Trump, a prominent U.S. businessman and later president, visited Moscow in 1987 to explore hotel development opportunities. This visit has fueled speculation about his connections to Russia, especially given his later political career and policies.


Claim Analysis

A former KGB officer, Alnur Mussayev, claimed on a February 2025 X post (Alnur Mussayev) that Trump was "recruited" by the KGB in 1987 and given the codename ‘Krasnov’. However, Mussayev’s own career history shows he was working in the Soviet Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) in 1987, not the KGB, raising doubts about his involvement in such "recruitment".


Alledged "Evidence" and Credibility



No official documents or reports from the CIA, FBI, or other agencies confirm this claim.
The Mueller investigation (2019) into Trump’s 2016 campaign found no evidence of criminal conspiracy with Russia.
Other former KGB officers, like Yuri Shvets, have made similar claims, but these lack verifiable evidence and are based on speculation.



Unexpected Detail

While the "recruitment" claim seems unfounded, it’s notable that Trump’s 1987 Moscow visit was arranged with assistance from Soviet officials, potentially including the KGB, as reported by Politico Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842), which might explain why such rumors persist.

Survey Note: Detailed Analysis of Donald Trump and Alleged "KGB Recruitment"

This section provides a comprehensive examination of the claim that Donald Trump was "recruited" by the Soviet Union's KGB under the codename ‘Krasnov’ in 1987, based on available information and analysis. The claim, made by former KGB officer Alnur Mussayev, has garnered significant media attention but lacks substantiation, as detailed below.


Context of the Claim



Donald Trump, known for his real estate ventures and later as the 45th U.S. President (2017–2021, and again from January 2025), visited Moscow in July 1987 to explore business opportunities, specifically building a luxury hotel. This visit, documented in his book The Art of the Deal and reported by Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-moscow-visit-1987-656115), was facilitated by Soviet diplomatic services, with potential KGB involvement, as suggested by Politico Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842). This context has fueled speculation about his ties to Russia, especially given his later political stances and interactions with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In February 2025, Alnur Mussayev, a former head of Kazakhstan’s National Security Committee and a one-time KGB officer, claimed in a Facebook post, as cited by Kyiv Post (https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630), that Trump was allegedly "recruited by the KGB" during this visit and assigned the codename ‘Krasnov’. Mussayev, aged 71 at the time, stated his role was in the 6th Directorate of the KGB, focused on recruiting Western businessmen, and alleged Trump’s file is now held by Putin.


Analysis of Mussayev’s Credibility

Mussayev’s claim faces significant scrutiny due to inconsistencies in his career timeline. According to his Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alnur_Mussayev) entry, from 1986 to 1989, he was seconded to the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) of the USSR, specifically in its 8th Main Directorate, not the KGB. The MVD handled internal security and law enforcement, while foreign intelligence was the KGB’s domain, as outlined by Ministry of Internal Affairs (Soviet Union) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Internal_Affairs_(Soviet_Union)). This discrepancy suggests Mussayev could not have been directly involved in KGB recruitment in 1987, casting doubt on his claim.

Further, Mussayev’s history includes unproven accusations against the Kazakh government after fleeing to Vienna in 2007, as noted by The Economic Times (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/who-is-alnur-mussayev-the-former-ussr-kgb-officer-at-the-center-of-explosive-donald-trump-russian-spy-allegations/articleshow/118489046.cms), which may indicate a pattern of making unverified claims. He provided no documented proof, alleging Trump’s file is with Putin, a claim impossible to verify without access to Russian archives.


Supporting and Contrasting Claims

Mussayev is not alone in suggesting Trump had ties to Russian intelligence. Yuri Shvets, another former KGB officer, claimed in Craig Unger’s 2021 book American Kompromat, as reported by The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book), that Trump was cultivated as a Russian asset since the 1980s, starting with flattery during his 1987 visit. Sergei Zhyrnov, another ex-KGB officer living in France, endorsed Mussayev’s claim in an interview with a Ukrainian journalist, as noted by The Hill (https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5162890-assessing-new-allegations-that-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb/amp/). However, these claims lack concrete evidence and are speculative, relying on personal recollections rather than documented proof.

Contrastingly, Snopes (https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/02/26/trump-kgb-agent-krasnov/) investigated Mussayev’s claim and found it inconsistent with his documented career, suggesting he was not in a position to make such assertions. The Mueller investigation, concluded in 2019 and reported by Hindustan Times (https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/donald-trump-recruited-by-moscow-in-1980s-claims-ex-kgb-officer-report-101740303642133.html), found no evidence of criminal conspiracy between Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russia.

Trump’s Denials and Official Investigations

Trump has repeatedly denied having improper ties to Russia, as noted by The Economic Times (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/us-news-was-donald-trump-a-secret-russian-spy-in-1987-codename-krasnov-ex-soviet-spy-alnur-mussayev-makes-sensational-kgb-claim-putin-trump/articleshow/118555667.cms?from=mdr), dismissing such allegations as “fake news” and “ridiculous”. While he hasn’t directly responded to Mussayev’s specific claim, as reported by Euronews (https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/03/13/fact-checking-online-claims-that-donald-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb-as-krasnov), his general denials align with the lack of evidence.

The FBI opened an inquiry in 2017 into whether Trump was secretly working on behalf of Russia, as reported by The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html), but this focused on his presidency and 2016 campaign, not 1987. No CIA reports specifically addressing the "KGB recruitment claim" were found, as per searches on Snopes (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kgb-spy-russia/) and other sources.


Implications and unproven Speculation

The claim has reignited debates about Trump’s Russia ties, particularly given his policies like skepticism of NATO and praise for Putin, as noted by The Times of India (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/was-donald-trump-recruited-by-russias-kgb-in-1987-former-intelligence-officer-makes-explosive-claims/articleshow/118763559.cms). Some argue this could be kompromat (compromising material), but others suggest his stance reflects personal worldview or business interests. The absence of proof doesn’t disprove the claim, but Occam’s razor favors simpler explanations over espionage theories.




Encyclopedia of the Central Intelligence Agency states directorate roles (https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/02/26/trump-kgb-agent-krasnov/)



Alnur Mussayev Wikipedia entry details career (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alnur_Mussayev)



Guardian reports on KGB asset claims by Yuri Shvets (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book)



Times of India covers Mussayev’s explosive claims (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/was-donald-trump-recruited-by-russias-kgb-in-1987-former-intelligence-officer-makes-explosive-claims/articleshow/118763559.cms)



Kyiv Post cites Mussayev’s Facebook post (https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630)



India Today discusses Mussayev’s allegations (https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/russia-recruit-donald-trump-as-agent-krasnov-a-kgb-spy-35-years-ago-alnur-mussayev-soviet-intelligence-2685175-2025-02-25)



Euronews fact-checks Krasnov codename claim (https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/03/13/fact-checking-online-claims-that-donald-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb-as-krasnov)



The Hill assesses new allegations (https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5162890-assessing-new-allegations-that-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb/amp/)



Daily Mirror reports ex-Soviet spy claim (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/donald-trump-recruited-kgb-codename-34726995)



Politico Magazine details Trump’s 1987 Moscow trip (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842)



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The title of this (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129366-TRUMP-a-RUSSIAN-agent) Project Avalon Forum Thread is MISLEADING ... change the title in to that "some have speculations without real evidence" and/or add a QUESTION MARK is far more accurate.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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[QUOTE=Sue (Ayt);1660323]7he5ource - Would you like the other thread to be totally deleted?

no i'll work on it a watered down version is on this thread

HERE IT IS

Canada a state ...

remained loyal to the queen/throne/ancestral extended family
had two military wars with USA and burnt down the white house twice in said wars
USA did not win ww2 they tricked Canada to go into the beach-heads 1st [Dieppe] Canada suffering more casualties as Americans walked on over their dead bodies
history and Hollywood omit this vital point Canada won ww2
when the Shaw of Iran was ousted Canada issued Canadian passports to 48 CIA operatives pretending to
be American diplomats and embassy staff
Canada supported numerous USA military adventurism abroad acting as peacekeeping forces
British royals always preferred Canada to USA for being a society of rule of law, and war heroes that saved Europe [not lawsuits] and less belligerent violent society
Canada remains loyal to its "gene pool of extended ancestral family in Europe" USA betrayed its ancestral homeland
Canada does not export drugs to USA its the opposite
if the the USA/Canadian border were militarized this would cost trillions
and much of USA's weapons systems are on Canadian soil [NORAD] and should be removed if we aren't allies/friends
all USA military personal/diplomats expelled and the USA embassy littered with spy devices should be demolished
Canada is half french colony if the 2 join all Americans must learn french

psychological war
verbal war
gender war
military war

war is war USA has declared war on Canada ... and USA NORAD bases in Canada should be removed or sabotaged, nuclear silos buried under tonnes of concrete unless removed
all NORAD facilities destroyed leaving USA unprotected open nuclear attack

What if Canadian troops should invade USA and execute orders of optimum kill
Is it better in hell to die proud patriots than join the trump mafia sissies sect of killionaire nerds

Canada doesn't need USA ... lets use Trump thinking here
NUKE EM ALL !

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

why pick on Canada ?

Russia wants it

Does Canada have lots of resources?
Canada is the global leader in potash production and ranks among the top five global producers of diamonds, gemstones, gold, indium, niobium, platinum group metals, titanium concentrate and uranium. Canada is also the world's fourth-largest producer of primary aluminum


uranium from the CANU REACTOR sod to India gave them the a bomb
then pakis, then UER, then over 290 nations currently have suckcesssfully tested A bombs
Canada and France helping Iran didn't make peace on earth it made over 20 nuclear armed nation enough to destroy serveral solar systems

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I JUST KNEW you would post here
i don't have time but will read your post later
just please stay on the titled topic or direct offshoots\
good2cu

i tried to reply properly


'''''''''''''''''''''''''' to many characters'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

i say too many people
humanity not to exceed half a million worldwide till full recovery of bioweb

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Research suggests Donald Trump was not recruited by the KGB under the codename ‘Krasnov’ in 1987, as claimed by a former KGB officer, Alnur Mussayev.
The evidence leans toward this claim being unsubstantiated, with inconsistencies in Mussayev’s career timeline and no credible supporting evidence.
This topic remains controversial, with speculation about Trump’s ties to Russia, but official investigations found no proof of such recruitment.



Background

Donald Trump, a prominent U.S. businessman and later president, visited Moscow in 1987 to explore hotel development opportunities. This visit has fueled speculation about his connections to Russia, especially given his later political career and policies.


Claim Analysis

A former KGB officer, Alnur Mussayev, claimed on a February 2025 X post (Alnur Mussayev) that Trump was recruited by the KGB in 1987 and given the codename ‘Krasnov’. However, Mussayev’s own career history shows he was working in the Soviet Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) in 1987, not the KGB, raising doubts about his involvement in such recruitment.
Evidence and Credibility


No official documents or reports from the CIA, FBI, or other agencies confirm this claim.
The Mueller investigation (2019) into Trump’s 2016 campaign found no evidence of criminal conspiracy with Russia, though it didn’t specifically address 1987 events.
Other former KGB officers, like Yuri Shvets, have made similar claims, but these lack verifiable evidence and are often based on speculation.



Unexpected Detail

While the recruitment claim seems unfounded, it’s notable that Trump’s 1987 Moscow visit was arranged with assistance from Soviet officials, potentially including the KGB, as reported by Politico Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842), which might explain why such rumors persist.

Survey Note: Detailed Analysis of Donald Trump and Alleged KGB Recruitment
This section provides a comprehensive examination of the claim that Donald Trump was recruited by the Soviet Union's KGB under the codename ‘Krasnov’ in 1987, based on available information and analysis. The claim, made by former KGB officer Alnur Mussayev, has garnered significant media attention but lacks substantiation, as detailed below.


Context of the Claim



Donald Trump, known for his real estate ventures and later as the 45th U.S. President (2017–2021, and again from January 2025), visited Moscow in July 1987 to explore business opportunities, specifically building a luxury hotel. This visit, documented in his book The Art of the Deal and reported by Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-moscow-visit-1987-656115), was facilitated by Soviet diplomatic services, with potential KGB involvement, as suggested by Politico Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842). This context has fueled speculation about his ties to Russia, especially given his later political stances and interactions with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In February 2025, Alnur Mussayev, a former head of Kazakhstan’s National Security Committee and a one-time KGB officer, claimed in a Facebook post, as cited by Kyiv Post (https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630), that Trump was recruited by the KGB during this visit and assigned the codename ‘Krasnov’. Mussayev, aged 71 at the time, stated his role was in the 6th Directorate of the KGB, focused on recruiting Western businessmen, and alleged Trump’s file is now held by Putin.


Analysis of Mussayev’s Credibility

Mussayev’s claim faces significant scrutiny due to inconsistencies in his career timeline. According to his Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alnur_Mussayev) entry, from 1986 to 1989, he was seconded to the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) of the USSR, specifically in its 8th Main Directorate, not the KGB. The MVD handled internal security and law enforcement, while foreign intelligence was the KGB’s domain, as outlined by Ministry of Internal Affairs (Soviet Union) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Internal_Affairs_(Soviet_Union)). This discrepancy suggests Mussayev could not have been directly involved in KGB recruitment in 1987, casting doubt on his claim.


Further, Mussayev’s history includes controversial accusations against the Kazakh government after fleeing to Vienna in 2007, as noted by The Economic Times (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/who-is-alnur-mussayev-the-former-ussr-kgb-officer-at-the-center-of-explosive-donald-trump-russian-spy-allegations/articleshow/118489046.cms), which may indicate a pattern of making unverified claims. He provided no documentary proof, alleging Trump’s file is with Putin, a claim impossible to verify without access to Russian archives.


Supporting and Contrasting Claims

Mussayev is not alone in suggesting Trump had ties to Russian intelligence. Yuri Shvets, another former KGB officer, claimed in Craig Unger’s 2021 book American Kompromat, as reported by The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book), that Trump was cultivated as a Russian asset since the 1980s, starting with flattery during his 1987 visit. Sergei Zhyrnov, another ex-KGB officer living in France, endorsed Mussayev’s claim in an interview with a Ukrainian journalist, as noted by The Hill (https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5162890-assessing-new-allegations-that-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb/amp/). However, these claims lack concrete evidence and are often speculative, relying on personal recollections rather than documents.

Contrastingly, Snopes (https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/02/26/trump-kgb-agent-krasnov/) investigated Mussayev’s claim and found it inconsistent with his documented career, suggesting he was not in a position to make such assertions. The Mueller investigation, concluded in 2019 and reported by Hindustan Times (https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/donald-trump-recruited-by-moscow-in-1980s-claims-ex-kgb-officer-report-101740303642133.html), found no evidence of criminal conspiracy between Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russia, though it didn’t specifically address 1987 events.


Trump’s Denials and Official Investigations

Trump has repeatedly denied having improper ties to Russia, as noted by The Economic Times (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/us-news-was-donald-trump-a-secret-russian-spy-in-1987-codename-krasnov-ex-soviet-spy-alnur-mussayev-makes-sensational-kgb-claim-putin-trump/articleshow/118555667.cms?from=mdr), dismissing such allegations as “fake news” and “ridiculous”. While he hasn’t directly responded to Mussayev’s specific claim, as reported by Euronews (https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/03/13/fact-checking-online-claims-that-donald-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb-as-krasnov), his general denials align with the lack of evidence.


The FBI opened an inquiry in 2017 into whether Trump was secretly working on behalf of Russia, as reported by The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html), but this focused on his presidency and 2016 campaign, not 1987. No CIA reports specifically addressing the KGB recruitment claim were found, as per searches on Snopes (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kgb-spy-russia/) and other sources.


Implications and Speculation

The claim has reignited debates about Trump’s Russia ties, particularly given his policies like skepticism of NATO and praise for Putin, as noted by The Times of India (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/was-donald-trump-recruited-by-russias-kgb-in-1987-former-intelligence-officer-makes-explosive-claims/articleshow/118763559.cms). Some argue this could be kompromat (compromising material), but others suggest his stance reflects personal worldview or business interests. The absence of proof doesn’t disprove the claim, but Occam’s razor favors simpler explanations over espionage theories.




Encyclopedia of the Central Intelligence Agency states directorate roles (https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/02/26/trump-kgb-agent-krasnov/)



Alnur Mussayev Wikipedia entry details career (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alnur_Mussayev)



Guardian reports on KGB asset claims by Yuri Shvets (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book)



Times of India covers Mussayev’s explosive claims (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/was-donald-trump-recruited-by-russias-kgb-in-1987-former-intelligence-officer-makes-explosive-claims/articleshow/118763559.cms)



Kyiv Post cites Mussayev’s Facebook post (https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630)



India Today discusses Mussayev’s allegations (https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/russia-recruit-donald-trump-as-agent-krasnov-a-kgb-spy-35-years-ago-alnur-mussayev-soviet-intelligence-2685175-2025-02-25)



Euronews fact-checks Krasnov codename claim (https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/03/13/fact-checking-online-claims-that-donald-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb-as-krasnov)



The Hill assesses new allegations (https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5162890-assessing-new-allegations-that-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb/amp/)



Daily Mirror reports ex-Soviet spy claim (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/donald-trump-recruited-kgb-codename-34726995)



Politico Magazine details Trump’s 1987 Moscow trip (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842)


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u used the word ''contraversial''
the ONLY wotrd i was going quote i agree it seems far fetvched but i was refruted by the CIA at age 19 in 1976
the tactics used on mre and others are very sly
seemingly nirmal and unimportatant]

so lets examine this contraversy ... and the thread isnt about trupster dumpster beuing a spy\
but it is

so take it easy

best scenario he wants to out trick ras/putin in my view he lost this when born, perhaps has help
if ussr and usa could take china dow as allies -= superpkan

if not -= disaster

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trump the ''peace-maker''
by peace he shall destroy many
when say peace [agreement] know the end comes quickly

don't believe the bible?
there are millions wanting Satan's job, the speCIAl place in hell

do you believe in the possibility thermonuclear vaporization of surface life
remember trump mentioned it when threatened Zelenskyy

Slavic mail order brides prostitute scandals, his team convicted felons
do you know the laws governing government
i do

take a good look at this man, likes kim jong un, likes mafia types wise guys cosa nostra goons thugs and fascism, is ab
ego adrenaline junkie, listen to those who know him and risk criticizing him
look at a destroyed stock market and good trade relations
and the sissy whiner who says we;er being taken advantage of, this isnt what made USA great

honesty hard work and dignity made greatness did USA steal the land no
'read
'the natives openly offered ti share it and many benefited from it and many scam and cheat their tribes blaming white man who stole our land

we brought the masters of invention
light bulbs
electricity
'cars
electromagnetism



Isaac Newton ========= modern math matrix
Leonardo da Vinci ========= airplane car
Michael Faraday ========= father of electricity
James Clerk Maxwell ========= electromagnatics/optics
Lise Meitner ========= mother of the a-bomb math
Nikola Tesla ========= gatekeeper of lightning a/c current
Guglielmo Marconi ========= ?
Thomas Alva Edison ========= incandescent light bulb
Alexander Graham Bell ========= telephone
Karl Benz ========= automobile
Wright brothers, Orville and Wilbur ========= air flight
Charles Babbage ========= the father of computing
philo t farnsworth with an early televisionGetty Images
Philo T. Farnsworth ========= electronic television
Samuel F.B. Morse ========= inventor of the telegraph
George Eastman ========= invented the Kodak camera
James West ========= microphones
Henry Ford =========
Galileo Galilei/Hans Lippershey
lidsa meitner

our European ancestors extended family made America great\]
got patents ?
i du

[East Sun]

Does anybody know????
where Trump stands????

Anybody know where Musk stands?


We are all citizens of the Earth...

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Was Donald Trump recruited by the KGB under codename ‘Krasnov’?
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20250305-was-donald-trump-recruited-by-the-kgb-under-codename-krasnov

TYI4EoAPq4U

She is referencing the Steele Dossier as evidence. :facepalm:

Can't you find better quality garbage to pollute the internet and waste our time with than this?

no
i have heard trump with and around [ras]putin repeatedly making reference to ww3
so much so do their words and actions indicate that they are working in concert towards agenda ww3
and my info doesn't come from internet, but you indicate your ''garbage'' does how insulting to spend a day on a forum with plebes who cannot see these 2 [at least ] are 1]
and looking for a reason or a fabricated reason to use nukes on Europe
at the time Britain's top general on retirement wrote a novel based on intel at the time The Third World War:
Sir John Winthrop Hackett ... have you read 50 yrs on military analysis? or an internet troll questioning the data
be Network Systems Analyst
ive spoken with 2 CIA officer with my dad in the 70s
nothing has changed
glasnost
perestroika

these 2 were informative unlike yourself offering good data on how USSR's attack on Europe would unfold
and mentioned USA would be reluctant to face the Kremlin;s arsenal
mention a state south of Balkans [ukraire] acting as monkey in the middle and
also the 1st nuke coming from BELARUS with Kremlin denying guilt

that the middle east would become strategically les and less important as Europe is
realized as USSR;s real ambition, all they need is to break down USA
everything spoken then is real today
these 2 drove from MARYland to Ottawa for a convention on this though it was decades away



why does china call itself a SOVIET state ?
why do u post garbage rather that good data
go find a thread you like im 70 with 50 yrs in and out of intel

i posted youtube garbage cause it makes the point i want heard
trump is putin
remember rasputin the holy devil ?

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peacemakers with pacemakers
Biden the diaper crapper
these guys are old
expect their old same ol same old

remember in campaign mcscrooge said ''IF HILLARY IS ELECTED SHE WILL WAGE WAR WITH USSR ?
think that MEANS anything ????????????

what Disneyland are ppl living in?
if Beijing, Iraq, Kremlin are vaporized wont life for kids in the west be better
these places would be vaporized using the most caution for environmental protection
timing megaton values [like 20] season etc

most tech in a fore mentioned nations was stolen by spies and in western intellectual property
and they openly say they want to destroy the west'

this means you]
any helped in the white house makes it more like next week than 3o more years

see inventors list above

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https://theconversation.com/has-donald-trump-been-outfoxed-by-putin-and-zelensky-252767

3 scenarios i consider


1 Vladimir and Vladimir used an orchestrated war to exhaust US military / public
2 USA and USSR have orchestrated war games to deceive China for future attacks on china
3 the mainstream news is true there are no hidden alliances or secret tricks planned



Ive watched all news channels [BBC CNN NBC GLOBAL CBC AUS ETC for up to 5 hours a day
ALL reported that Trump ordered the pentagon to launch a 1st surprise strike ob China
near the end og 1st term

TODAY i can find no evidence of this after watching it on 3 major TV networks and chcking backup data on internet
byw the pentagon [treason] refused the command

this is when Trump went to supreme court to test if the Pres has REAL power or its just a miss America pageant
ceremonial position

court ruled president is above all law !
this made Biden in effect a KING
and now trump
by law


but what if any can ppl believe anymore?
news doesnt report stocks as they did daily in 50s
story of the highest importance disappear as though it never happened [Mandela effect = rewrite history/future using internet as the primary info source


mass extinction will come from overpopulation earth can only sustain a few million ppl with their tech/industry
a global nuke war wouldve bee a merciful act compared to plagues disease and no resources like water
but could blow earths atmosphere off

back to why i bother
I am quite certain the mafia elite [includes mcsrooge duck and [ras]putin] plan to use these old nukes they wont be viable much longer

and those in the nuke club need a plan
i could almost laugh if someone claimed the putin-trump mafia didnt exist

to much Brady bunch not enough academia to have credentials for a valid opinion

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The evidence leans toward this claim being unsubstantiated, with inconsistencies in Mussayev’s career timeline and no credible supporting evidence.

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of course

trump was already bankrupt
hotels in russia a good investment?
marries 2 Slavic wives
never has a bad word for putin or bibi
despite openly asking putin hack Hillary's devices
then when the meet putin denies and trump agrees

Orwell called this double-speak are you confused?



Background

Donald Trump, a prominent U.S. businessman and later president, visited Moscow in 1987 to explore hotel development opportunities. This visit has fueled speculation about his connections to Russia, especially given his later political career and policies.


Claim Analysis

A former KGB officer, Alnur Mussayev, claimed on a February 2025 X post (Alnur Mussayev) that Trump was "recruited" by the KGB in 1987 and given the codename ‘Krasnov’. However, Mussayev’s own career history shows he was working in the Soviet Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) in 1987, not the KGB, raising doubts about his involvement in such "recruitment".


Alledged "Evidence" and Credibility



No official documents or reports from the CIA, FBI, or other agencies confirm this claim.
The Mueller investigation (2019) into Trump’s 2016 campaign found no evidence of criminal conspiracy with Russia.
Other former KGB officers, like Yuri Shvets, have made similar claims, but these lack verifiable evidence and are based on speculation.



Unexpected Detail

While the "recruitment" claim seems unfounded, it’s notable that Trump’s 1987 Moscow visit was arranged with assistance from Soviet officials, potentially including the KGB, as reported by Politico Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842), which might explain why such rumors persist.

Survey Note: Detailed Analysis of Donald Trump and Alleged "KGB Recruitment"

This section provides a comprehensive examination of the claim that Donald Trump was "recruited" by the Soviet Union's KGB under the codename ‘Krasnov’ in 1987, based on available information and analysis. The claim, made by former KGB officer Alnur Mussayev, has garnered significant media attention but lacks substantiation, as detailed below.


Context of the Claim



Donald Trump, known for his real estate ventures and later as the 45th U.S. President (2017–2021, and again from January 2025), visited Moscow in July 1987 to explore business opportunities, specifically building a luxury hotel. This visit, documented in his book The Art of the Deal and reported by Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-moscow-visit-1987-656115), was facilitated by Soviet diplomatic services, with potential KGB involvement, as suggested by Politico Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842). This context has fueled speculation about his ties to Russia, especially given his later political stances and interactions with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In February 2025, Alnur Mussayev, a former head of Kazakhstan’s National Security Committee and a one-time KGB officer, claimed in a Facebook post, as cited by Kyiv Post (https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630), that Trump was allegedly "recruited by the KGB" during this visit and assigned the codename ‘Krasnov’. Mussayev, aged 71 at the time, stated his role was in the 6th Directorate of the KGB, focused on recruiting Western businessmen, and alleged Trump’s file is now held by Putin.


Analysis of Mussayev’s Credibility

Mussayev’s claim faces significant scrutiny due to inconsistencies in his career timeline. According to his Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alnur_Mussayev) entry, from 1986 to 1989, he was seconded to the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) of the USSR, specifically in its 8th Main Directorate, not the KGB. The MVD handled internal security and law enforcement, while foreign intelligence was the KGB’s domain, as outlined by Ministry of Internal Affairs (Soviet Union) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Internal_Affairs_(Soviet_Union)). This discrepancy suggests Mussayev could not have been directly involved in KGB recruitment in 1987, casting doubt on his claim.

Further, Mussayev’s history includes unproven accusations against the Kazakh government after fleeing to Vienna in 2007, as noted by The Economic Times (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/who-is-alnur-mussayev-the-former-ussr-kgb-officer-at-the-center-of-explosive-donald-trump-russian-spy-allegations/articleshow/118489046.cms), which may indicate a pattern of making

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putin spent his whole life in intel/KGB
mcscrooge openly says he doesnt trust it
its ''deep-state''

the KGB russian mafia has tried to destroy USA internally since ww2
now trump wants PEACE

im not religious just semi literate
the bible says "HE SHALL DESTROY MANY BY PEACE" [groovy baby KGB NOT CIA drugs on USA youth]
then
"when THEY say PEACE/SHALOM know the end comes quickly

one thing about trump take 2
he moves FAST

[7he5ource]

Canada a state ...

remained loyal to the queen/throne/ancestral extended family
had two military wars with USA and burnt down the white house twice in said wars
USA did not win ww2 they tricked Canada to go into the beach-heads 1st [Dieppe] Canada suffering more casualties as Americans walked on over their dead bodies
history and Hollywood omit this vital point Canada won ww2
when the Shaw of Iran was ousted Canada issued Canadian passports to 48 CIA operatives pretending to
be American diplomats and embassy staff
Canada supported numerous USA military adventurism abroad acting as peacekeeping forces
British royals always preferred Canada to USA for being a society of rule of law, and war heroes that saved Europe [not lawsuits] and less belligerent violent society
Canada remains loyal to its "gene pool of extended ancestral family in Europe" USA betrayed its ancestral homeland
Canada does not export drugs to USA its the opposite
if the the USA/Canadian border were militarized this would cost trillions
and much of USA's weapons systems are on Canadian soil [NORAD] and should be removed if we aren't allies/friends
all USA military personal/diplomats expelled and the USA embassy littered with spy devices should be demolished
Canada is half french colony if the 2 join all Americans must learn french

psychological war
verbal war
gender war
military war

war is war USA has declared war on Canada ... and USA NORAD bases in Canada should be removed or sabotaged, nuclear silos buried under tonnes of concrete unless removed
all NORAD facilities destroyed leaving USA unprotected open nuclear attack

What if Canadian troops should invade USA and execute orders of optimum kill
Is it better in hell to die proud patriots than join the trump mafia sissies sect of killionaire nerds

Canada doesn't need USA ... lets use Trump thinking here
NUKE EM ALL !

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

why pick on Canada ?

Russia wants it

Does Canada have lots of resources?
Canada is the global leader in potash production and ranks among the top five global producers of diamonds, gemstones, gold, indium, niobium, platinum group metals, titanium concentrate and uranium. Canada is also the world's fourth-largest producer of primary aluminum


uranium from the CANU REACTOR sod to India gave them the a bomb
then pakis, then UER, then over 290 nations currently have suckcesssfully tested A bombs
Canada and France helping Iran didn't make peace on earth it made over 20 nuclear armed nation enough to destroy serveral solar systems

quoting me
i wanted to add the following


it should be mentioned that Canada invented designed and manufactured many of USA weapons
tech ... think of Litton who made the guidance systems that deliver all ICBM missiles

two Ottawa friends went south to work for NSA
they related that near 40 percent of employees were from Canada

because of megamouth Ive considered how a conventional war between Canada and USA would go ????????
certainly USA would never find another ally either way

canada holds immense amounts of sensitive intelligence material [could be given/sold to iraq or other adversary
on USA cabana would make an unfathomable enemy to USA
bringing embarrassment and the certainty of trumps removal

[7he5ource]

Sq-CNlF-N40
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Sq-CNlF-N40
Melania Calls Putin the Plumber! (Part 1)
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Melania Calls Putin the Plumber! (Part 1)

[Tintin]

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Actually I'm giving serious consideration to placing this entire thread in the 'Known Hoaxes and other misinformation' sub forum :bigsmile:

Well below Avalon standards, in my view.

[Bill Ryan]

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:)

Actually I'm giving serious consideration to placing this entire thread in the 'Known Hoaxes and other misinformation' sub forum :bigsmile:

Well below Avalon standards, in my view.Yes. :) The thread title doesn't even have a question mark. And considering Putin was arguably the real Leader of the Free World before Trump was elected, even if Trump was a 'Russian Asset' (which he's clearly not!) I would loudly applaud Trump and Putin working closely together, which they may well now start to do.

(For anyone reading this who still doesn't yet realize, RUSSIA IS NO-ONE'S ENEMY.)

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[Sirus]

Due to Trumps efforts, Nato is on track to be better funded and equipped. If he's an asset for Russia I would be very surprised.

[Kryztian]

Actually I'm giving serious consideration to placing this entire thread in the 'Known Hoaxes and other misinformation' sub forum :bigsmile:

Well below Avalon standards, in my view.

And well below the standards of most of the hoaxes in the 'Known Hoaxes and other misinformation' forum IMHO. :bigsmile:

There is actually an art to constructing a good hoax and an art to debunking it. But there is no art here, just a huge incomprehensible word salad of emotions projected at political personages here. And for a hoax to be "known" you have to get to know it, have to make sense of it. Not sure you can do that here.

[bojancan]

Due to Trumps efforts, Nato is on track to be better funded and equipped. If he's an asset for Russia I would be very surprised.

Just passing this thread... yes, all EU countries, including my small Slovenia... will give much much money away.. for military's funding of NATO or other way...
People are not happy with this political decision... fear mongering is causing so much confusion in all members in EU... which is some way also answer to Trump's demands... requirement... to get/give much money to NATO... what??? He still want to be in NATO?
I was expecting him.. to step out, if he is a good friend with Putin..
My 2 cents...

Maybe because he wants to sell more weapons to EU... self serving bitch!!!:chuckle:

[Sirus]

Due to Trumps efforts, Nato is on track to be better funded and equipped. If he's an asset for Russia I would be very surprised.

Just passing this thread... yes, all EU countries, including my small Slovenia... will give much much money away.. for military's funding of NATO or other way...
People are not happy with this political decision... fear mongering is causing so much confusion in all members in EU... which is some way also answer to Trump's demands... requirement... to get/give much money to NATO... what??? He still want to be in NATO?
I was expecting him.. to step out, if he is a good friend with Putin..
My 2 cents...

Maybe because he wants to sell more weapons to EU... self serving bitch!!!:chuckle:

I think Trumps whole attitude to NATO is simple: to get a fair deal for the USA.

[7he5ource]

thinking i might move this thread to HOAXES]

hi bill


you may not know Ive been amongst your 1st users
under different names ... i once pm-ed u saying i was leaving because of verbal abuse reacting to my OVERPOPULATION THREAD it wasn't worth the borderline profanity and the verbal hate

i lost several of my own COVID vaccine forums quoting Canadian law forbidding medical treatment without consent [with other evidence] and was fined 20,000 CAN so i should be used to a younger less polite generation

THIS THREAD was not posted as a hoax i gathered what ever sources i could get over an 7 hour period and when posted, it definitively fell under NEWS AND CURRENT EVENTS

it is an accepted fact Russia got the trump casinos going [money laundering] which went bankrupt ... one video details why the bankers were stuck with trump but wanted out

suggest viewing all the material before crying wolf

i respected this forum as an activist, published author, investigative journalist [i worked with Connie Watson on mxn cartels = tv doc] was attacked almost killed

[btw internet killed my publishing] i need a place where FREE SPEECH really is more than idle talk more than a privilege for the privileged-few but as an inherit right
for all

if my words are considered what i believe ... this is juvenile , but i put forth popular serious concerns about Donald, Melania and musk as it was news current and important ...

threads i don't like i don't post on that's trolling, i like to add to kindred souls / like thinking ppl ... forums are not battlegrounds for ridicule/hate but building truth in community in common respect

Ive seen the ridicule here, it is a blasphemy to intelligence itself and stifling free thought right or wrong can be the only agenda ... i remember comments like if u think there's too many ppl kill yourself

obviously hateful, and 1 less person doesn't fix and overflow of billions
still i might do it, got the idea from this forum

j/k

ps hitting 70 now still hitting mx hard Canada listed 2 mxcn groups as terrorist [yay[ and revoked visas back in June 24 ... these make me happy i recorded 3 Mexicans at pigeon park saying how they love Canada
free heroin
free apt
free food
spending money
and both cartel pushers making hundreds of thousands claiming refugee status

i mailed the tape to pm Harper [csis thought it might be a bomb i later was told]
in 2 weeks Mexicans all had visas revoked as Connie was contacted and corroborated my credentials


i strive for accuracy as a professional and perfectionist
if i posted and false sources [we will see] i apologize

[7he5ource]

I think Trumps whole attitude to NATO is simple: to get a fair deal for the USA.

then we agree
on that
breaking up colonialist allies using vulgarities threats that reveal senile indecision flipping daily and destroying markets with sweeping rules blind to intricate unnoticed integral mechanisms of the whole we don't agree not even close and musk doesn't have the credentials nor 1% of the time needed to tear apart systems that go back to founding fathers

any betrayal of Europe wont bring the wrath of trump
but the wrath of all universal forces no matter who owes who what
there are a lot of ICBMs in Canada pointed a USSR
and NORAD Command centers

do you really think its worth making Canada think twice as USA as an ally
[cause they are] i read even king Charles told European leaders that trump is a threat to western society

you do not carve a wooden ring with an axe


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looking at doing one more book professional experienced editor required credentials

[Flash]

Opinions or truth? From people who may know. Or are they creating confusion? We will know with time, however an intelligent being looks at all the possibilities. I have read yet better in French about the oligarchs surrounding Trump, their intent analysed and cannot find the article. As soin as I do, I will put it up.

AT SOME POINT, REAL ACTION WILL BE REQUIRED TO STOP THIS MADNESS!

By Volodymyr Vlad Kunko,

I’m calling it as it is. I don't care whether you agree with me; check your response with your gut. My gut never lies to me.
I’ve had my suspicions all along about this stooge. He’s not intelligent enough to pull this off by himself. We better hope that all the social security numbers and tax info that Muskrat just uploaded from SSA and IRS from every single American citizen's account doesn’t end up in Putin’s files. Whoever has that info can potentially wipe out every dime we have and can potentially fund a world takeover:
There is something rancid in America, a slow, creeping rot that smells like cold McDonald’s fries, aerosol hairspray, and the unmistakable musk of a country too sedated to recognize its hostage situation. For years, the idea that Donald Trump was compromised by Russia was dismissed as a paranoid fantasy—just another wild-eyed conspiracy theory, another overblown headline in the endless saga of American political dysfunction.
But now, two former Soviet intelligence officers—Alnur Mussayev and Yuri Shvets—are saying it outright: Trump was recruited by the KGB in 1987, groomed as an asset, and remains under Russian control to this day.

And the worst part? He’s already back in the White House.
That’s right, America. You did it. You walked face-first into the banana peel of history, slipped, and fell straight into the arms of Vladimir Putin. Trump was kicked out in 2020, spent four years plotting his comeback, and now he’s returned like a bloated, orange cockroach that won’t die. The Kremlin’s favorite stooge is rerunning the country; this time, he knows exactly how to stay in power.

You're not paying attention if you think this is just another round of the Trump Show. This isn’t politics anymore. This is treason. This is foreign subversion. This is a goddamn coup in slow motion.
Let’s break it down. It's friendly and straightforward.

Alnur Mussayev isn’t some Twitter conspiracy theorist with a tinfoil hat and a podcast. He’s the former head of Kazakhstan’s National Security Committee, which means he knows precisely how Russian intelligence works—because he was part of the system. And what he’s saying should make every American’s blood run cold.
According to Mussayev, Trump was identified, recruited, and compromised by the KGB in 1987 during his first trip to Moscow. They saw him for what he was: a narcissistic, greedy, attention-starved buffoon who could be easily manipulated. The KGB flattered him, promised him business deals, and planted the seeds of political ambition in his empty little head. And from that moment on, he was their man.

But Mussayev isn’t alone. Former KGB major Yuri Shvets said the exact same thing in 2021: Trump was cultivated by Soviet intelligence because he was an easy mark—too stupid to realize he was being played, too egotistical to care. They saw him as a useful idiot—a man who could one day be nudged into power, a walking, talking Trojan Horse for Russian interests.

And now? The plan has worked. Trump spent four years in office weakening America from within, got booted out, and now he’s back for round two.

If you had told the American public in 1962 that a Soviet-backed asset would one day sit in the White House, they would have burned Washington to the ground before letting it happen. But today? Nobody seems to care.

The media treats this like just another wacky subplot in the never-ending Trump reality show. Congress is too busy fighting over meaningless culture war nonsense to do anything about it. And the American public? Exhausted. Numb. Checked out. Years of scandals—Russia collusion, Ukraine blackmail, classified documents, tax fraud, sexual assault, an attempted coup—have fried the country’s brain like an overcooked steak at Mar-a-Lago.

Trump has done the impossible. He has committed so many crimes, so openly and brazenly, that none matter anymore.
And now, with Mussayev’s revelation that Trump is an active foreign asset, we have finally reached the point where the most significant political scandal in American history is met with a collective shrug.
This is how democracy dies—not with a bang, but with a goddamn eye-roll.

This is the part where the skeptics start clutching their pearls. “Oh, come on,” they say. “If Trump were really a Russian asset, wouldn’t there be more proof?”

To which I say: Are you blind, or just willfully stupid?
Let’s go through the evidence, shall we?

Trump spent his entire first term doing exactly what Russia wanted. He attacked NATO, calling it “obsolete” and threatening to pull the U.S. out. He tried to blackmail Ukraine into manufacturing dirt on Joe Biden because weakening Ukraine helps one man and one man only: Vladimir Putin. He pulled U.S. troops out of Syria, handing power over to Russian forces. He picked fights with Canada and Europe while cozying up to dictators.

Even now, in his second term, he is more openly pro-Putin than ever. He has made it clear that he will not protect NATO allies from Russian aggression. He is actively dismantling America’s alliances, just as Russia planned. And while Americans scream at each other over whether Target should sell rainbow t-shirts, Trump is quietly selling the country to the Kremlin.

At some point, you must stop calling it a coincidence and start calling it what it is: treason.

The United States is running out of time. If Trump serves out this term without being removed, America as a functioning democracy is finished.

The media needs to wake up. Enough with the “Trump fatigue” excuse. This is not just another scandal—this is the single most excellent infiltration of American power in history. Journalists need to dig into Mussayev’s claims, demand the declassification of intelligence files, and treat this like the national emergency that it is.

Congress needs to subpoena Mussayev immediately. His testimony must be public, and every document he has should be reviewed. If there is proof that Trump has been compromised since the 1980s, the American people need to know.

The Justice Department needs to stop pretending that Trump is just another politician. If there is evidence that the sitting president of the United States is working in Russia’s interests, he must be removed from office and prosecuted for espionage.
And the American public? You have one last chance. This is not about Republican vs. Democrat. This is not about taxes, gas prices, or whatever nonsense outrage dominates today's news. This concerns whether the United States remains a sovereign nation or if we spend the rest of the century as a Russian client state with a golf course.

The sheer volume of Trump's corruption, the blatant nature of his crimes, the mountain of evidence that should have ended his political career a hundred times over—none of it mattered. He survived it all, not because he was innocent, but because he drowned the country in so much scandal that nothing stuck.
But this time, it’s different. If Mussayev and Shvets are right, this isn’t just another chapter in the endless Trump circus. This is the culmination of a decades-long Russian intelligence operation to install an asset in the White House.

There is no coming back from this. If America lets Trump serve out this term without removing him, then the United States as a democratic republic is finished. The country won’t collapse overnight. There won’t be tanks in the streets. Instead, the destruction of democracy will happen in slow motion—buried under lawsuits, propaganda, and corruption so blatant that people stop caring.

If America lets this happen—if Trump is allowed to complete his mission—then Putin wins. The West crumbles. And the people who could have stopped it will look back years from now and wonder how they let it happen.

Good night, and good luck. Because if people don’t wake up, America is going to sleepwalk straight into its own funeral.

[norman]

Opinions or truth? From people who may know. Or are they creating confusion? We will know with time, however an intelligent being looks at all the possibilities. I have read yet better in French about the oligarchs surrounding Trump, their intent analysed and cannot find the article. As soin as I do, I will put it up.

AT SOME POINT, REAL ACTION WILL BE REQUIRED TO STOP THIS MADNESS!



The real action coming Canada's way is the evidence of it's involvement in the international crime ring of systematic election stealing fraud that stole the US 2020 election from Trump, and has been stealing elections in over 70 countries around the world for the globalist takeover.

If I was Canadian right now, I wouldn't want to be sounding so Trump deranged and globalist defending.

It's not going to be pretty.

[truthseek]

The title of this (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129366-TRUMP-a-RUSSIAN-agent) Project Avalon Forum Thread is MISLEADING ... change the title in to that "some have speculations without real evidence" and/or add a QUESTION MARK is far more accurate.
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:)

Actually I'm giving serious consideration to placing this entire thread in the 'Known Hoaxes and other misinformation' sub forum :bigsmile:

Well below Avalon standards, in my view.

YES, please do so and thank you for that. Many of us do not have the hours to invest in reading silly threads. Avalon's standards need to be held high, as per the oath we all agreed to take when signing our membership.

This move would still ensure "free speech" to those claiming to need a platform... respectfully yours :bigsmile:

[Flash]

The title of this (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129366-TRUMP-a-RUSSIAN-agent) Project Avalon Forum Thread is MISLEADING ... change the title in to that "some have speculations without real evidence" and/or add a QUESTION MARK is far more accurate.
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:)

Actually I'm giving serious consideration to placing this entire thread in the 'Known Hoaxes and other misinformation' sub forum :bigsmile:

Well below Avalon standards, in my view.

YES, please do so and thank you for that. Many of us do not have the hours to invest in reading silly threads. Avalon's standards need to be held high, as per the oath we all agreed to take when signing our membership.

This move would still ensure "free speech" to those claiming to need a platform... respectfully yours :bigsmile:


My comments are for Norman precisely, I answeredthe wrong post, sorry.
Norman
I am Canadian and your insult is exactly representative of blinded americans - no way to offer counter argument on your anti demicracy without being directly insulted here by you precisely. On and on and on.

So…. be like the orange twig staline if you like it and hit the dust when we will have a global physical war created by yous alike. This iswhat I see, what all of East Asia including Japanese and Koreans who were allies and all of Europe sees, talking here of regular folks, not part of the elite in any given way. We see it and you have the guts of insulting the regular folks. How gross will you get to?

Yes Tintin, cancel this thread and avalon which has turned extreme right with about no intelligent discussion possible.

[norman]

Flash

You are calling freedom, right wing.That says more about you than it does about me.

America, the front line of any human capability to defend freedom, is fighting for it's life right now. It's at war.

Canadians or anyone else ruining and killing good threads about how well or badly that American fight for survival is going, with agitator/activist posts about stuff like some gal who got a rough deal at the Canadian border, what the hell do you expect different ?

If America falls, we are all ****ed, in a way that you, clearly, have never thought through. When that disaster is complete, if it goes that way, you won't be shooting your mouth about anything ever again. None of us will. The internet will not be a place of learning and sharing knowledge. It will be all the things of yours and my worst nightmares, and then some.

I don't know why you and a bunch of other agitating Canadians are here at all. If your not here for 'human awakening' or the individuation prerequisite for that.

If your here for ass backwards headbangery for the sake of ass backwards headbangery, I think you shouldn't be.

[Flash]

Flash

You are calling freedom, right wing.That says more about you than it does about me.

America, the front line of any human capability to defend freedom, is fighting for it's life right now. It's at war.

Canadians or anyone else ruining and killing good threads about how well or badly that American fight for survival is going, with agitator/activist posts about stuff like some gal who got a rough deal at the Canadian border, what the hell do you expect different ?

If America falls, we are all ****ed, in a way that you, clearly, have never thought through. When that disaster is complete, if it goes that way, you won't be shooting your mouth about anything ever again. None of us will. The internet will not be a place of learning and sharing knowledge. It will be all the things of yours and my worst nightmares, and then some.

I don't know why you and a bunch of other agitating Canadians are here at all. If your not here for 'human awakening' or the individuation prerequisite for that.

If your here for ass backwards headbangery for the sake of ass backwards headbangery, I think you shouldn't be.


another atrack on my personnality rather than on the concepts. Go to where I think. This is the last time I answer you because those behaviors are of the weak and manipulative.


When I left Avalon few years back it was for attacks on personbality and lack of protection against bullies on this forum. No much change.

[norman]

There's hope for everyone.


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Janna DeVylder grew up in Council Bluffs, Iowa, and now lives and works in Sydney, Australia. A photograph of her watching election results has become such a popular meme that she's the unofficial international face of dejected Hillary Clinton supporters.


Yes, DeVylder, 42, who grew up in Council Bluffs and now lives and works on the other side of the globe in Sydney, Australia, has become the international symbol of the inconsolable popular-vote winners of our presidential election. (Online she was zinged as the “poster child for the mentally insane Hillary snowflakes.”)

In other words, she has spent the last two months as one of the world's most popular political memes.

She’s the face of blue-Democrat America that saw what seemed like a sure claim to the White House slip away in the deep-red rural counties and the Electoral College.

DeVylder has lived a surreal, virtual double life as her meme of infinite varieties has spread far and wide across the internet.

I tried to get Reuters, the photo's owner, to let us publish the photo in print, to no avail. But just Google “crying liberals” and you’ll see it. DeVylder’s face pops up probably as the very first image: She’s wearing cobalt blue eyeglasses, pearl earrings and a matching necklace and a homemade Hillary pin. She even purchased a secondhand gray pinstripe pantsuit just for the occasion. Oh, and you can't miss her festive red, white and blue top hat.

But the first thing you notice is her convulsed posture and anguished expression. Her shoulders droop forward, while her head is flung back. Her eyes are scrunched shut. Her mouth hangs open in a frown, and you can’t help but imagine hearing her pitiful moan.

The photo was snapped on Nov., 8, Election Day (although because of the time difference technically it already was the next day in Australia). DeVylder, as if you couldn't tell from her getup, had voted absentee for Clinton. She holds dual citizenship.

She and some friends attended an election viewing party at the University of Sydney. DeVylder was so excited that she took the day off work — made easier by the fact that she’s her own boss. She and her husband run their own design firm with a third business partner.

DeVylder expected a low-key event. What she got was a teeming throng of hundreds of American expats and curious Aussies packed into a room with a giant video screen, CNN sponsorship and Trump supporters chanting, “Lock her up!” So she did the only sensible thing: She grabbed the free plastic hat offered at the door and dove headlong into the fray.

DeVylder's pantsuit and general look made her a magnet for multiple TV and radio interviews. But initially she didn't notice all the photographers who had staked out the crowd, including Jason Reed of Reuters.

His was the perceptive eye that captured DeVylder’s reaction — not to the final result but merely to Trump's win of an early state. And like a dutiful news photographer, he quickly filed it for his editors.

Not more than 90 minutes later, as DeVylder still sat in the very same seat in Sydney, she received a message from her friend Matt back in Davenport, Ia.: I think I just saw your face come up on Yahoo News, he told her.

In a relative eye blink she had been zapped around the globe. And little did she know that that was only the beginning.

To be fair, Reed's original caption was rather innocuous, and didn't include DeVylder's name: “Supporters of U.S Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton react as a state is called in favour of her opponent, Republican candidate Donald Trump, during a watch party for the U.S. Presidential election, at the University of Sydney in Australia, November 9, 2016.”

Reed himself has shot photos in Iowa, but never has he had a photo reach so far, so fast.

“I was surprised to see the amount of interest in this image considering the sheer number of similar pictures being taken across the United States on that day,” he wrote to me in an email.

When the photo seeped into social media and the political blogosphere, it took on a life of its own. It seemed to reduce Trump's surprise victory to a single frame and face perfect for attracting schadenfreude.

Her "conservative friends in the Midwest," DeVylder said, "who visit different websites than I do, kept seeing it come up."

Some of the captions and headlines paired with DeVylder's face:

“When everyone gets a trophy ... you don’t know how to lose.”

“Best pics of distraught Hillary voters from last night as they sob and lay in fetal positions. Run to your safe spaces!!! Trump is president!”

“Classes canceled to allow college students to ‘cope’ with shock of Trump’s win” (DeVylder, a mom to two sons and two stepdaughters, is happy to pass for an undergrad.)

Conservative radio talk show host Laura Ingraham tweeted DeVylder’s photo with the quip, “To think we had 18 year olds taking Omaha Beach, at Battle of Chosin, Ardennes ....”

DeVylder, who was lured to Australia by a job and made a life there, may even end up on T-shirts and coffee mugs in Texas.

This is made all the funnier because she wasn’t crying in the photo. As she put it, she was just "a bit expressive."

But that doesn't matter because the image managed to unwittingly capture DeVylder's general feelings about the election. And she likes it. She told Reed as much via email.


https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7afdea85514d2988172611b26303ba5e8611a564/c=0-0-2294-3059/local/-/media/2017/01/09/IAGroup/DesMoines/636196009053102179-jannaandmom.jpg?width=1588
Janna DeVylder of Sydney, Australia, right, poses with her mom, Shirley Hicks. DeVylder grew up in Council Bluffs, Iowa, where her mom taught for 44 years at the Iowa School for the Deaf.


DeVylder probably was one of the perfect people to fall victim to this meme: She's a practical, thoughtful and somewhat bemused Iowan with a psychology degree from the University of Iowa who finds all this utterly fascinating.

Not only has she taken it in stride, she has blogged about it.

She considers it a teachable moment.

“You realize how easy it is to take your eye off the ball,” she said of how complacent she had gotten about her politics, and you expect that other people are doing things that will keep the status quo that you appreciate, and that the progressive cause is a cause that will just keep going.”

In retrospect DeVylder said that she attended the party feeling a little cocky, expecting to toast a win.

"Even when you think things are good from your point of view that doesn’t mean you can stop working at it," she said. "That’s a life lesson, right?"

Instead of getting mad, she retaliated by posting her own versions of her meme:

“I’m not crying because we lost. I’m not crying because there’s no trophy. I’m crying because we are losing our collective humanity.”

“Crying, for the lessons of history have yet to be learned.”

“Realizing that this election has brought out the worst in us.”

“The moment she realized we don’t even try to understand each other anymore.”

Just when DeVylder thought her face had been plastered in every corner of the web, it erupted again when Sean Hannity shared it on Facebook at the end of the year, with the timely message: “The Electoral College electing Trump is unfair … says the party that used ‘super delegates’ to elect Hillary.”

“I would be embarrassed if a picture of me having a psychotic break posted a million times all (over) the web!” one woman wrote in response. “Get a clue and check yourself in to a mental facility.”

Here again, DeVylder tends to get analytical, not defensive. Her meme life has left her feeling that conservatives and liberals alike can be hypocrites. Everybody has confirmation bias. We all love to feel smug in victory.

"We fight in some instances for inclusion and open arms," she said of her half of the political spectrum, "and yet we draw lines when it comes to people who may be conservative."

But even for the nicest of Iowans, at some point introspection becomes annoyance. DeVylder would like to think that her digital doppelganger has expired, but she expects to endure at least one more round.

"I’m anticipating that it will be used again for the inauguration," she sighed. "You just know it will."

That's a safe bet for Jan. 20. At the very least, DeVylder seems to have rekindled her political fire. In blogging about the incident, she publicly committed herself to a laundry list of next steps, including:

"I will not find joy and boast in other people’s sorrows."

"I will model for my children the way I would hope they would conduct themselves."

"I will not fight hate with hate."

"I will work to ensure more young people engage and vote."

And she ended with a question:

"What will you do?"

Who said no good could come from a mean-spirited meme?


Kyle Munson | Des Moines Register

[section9]

This is all because the Canadians are about to call an election. Hoo boy.

[jaybee]

This is all because the Canadians are about to call an election. Hoo boy.


Just saw this..... Carney HAS called a snap election - and is making it all about Trump...

Canada Snap Election: Mark Carney Seeks Mandate To Tackle Trump, Calls Snap Polls On THIS Date (3:01)

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[norman]

I knew the war cranked up a notch when a Bank of England governor was chosen to take charge over the border in Canada and after noticing the UK ambassador to Washington is Peter Mandelson.

Mandelson is a very tricky piece of work. He was Tony Blair's main strategist and Mr Fixit.

Mandelson is NOT in Washington to play nice.

[jaybee]

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I've said it before and I'll say it again :) - all this about Canada and Trump is like a (belated) chapter of the American War of Independence ..... the European Globalist Elite, particularly Britain were on the brink of taking America back under it's total control until Trump stepped in and upped the ante -

Supporters of Britain (England) and France? went north when the civil war was won....now Carney has been sent in to make sure the Globalist position is held - ie that Canada doesn't become the 51st State... in any shape or form...

Hence the HEAVY smearing of all things Trump coming out of Canada....

[Jaak]

Both Trump and Putin are puppets of Chabad mafia .
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”Putin may not be good for Russia, but he’s definitely good for the jews of Russia.”
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List of Russian Oligarchs , Putins inner circle . Most of them jewish like himself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarchs

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https://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/felafel-on-rye/breaking-purimspiel-news-pres-trump-undergoing-conversion-to-judaism/2025/03/13/

https://americanfreepress.net/who-towers-behind-trump/

[gini]

So is this what it is??
Putin & Trump are actually Jews,roling out the zionists' agenda and both fooling the entire world ?
If thats true, then what can we do?
Or is it a false narrative & a strategy to kill all the hope & aspiration for truth & justice?

[Jaak]

So is this what it is??
Putin & Trump are actually Jews,roling out the zionists' agenda and both fooling the entire world ?
If thats true, then what can we do?
Or is it a false narrative & a strategy to kill all the hope & aspiration for truth & justice?

Both Trump and Putin are very friendly with chabad mafia and both are surrounded by jewish billionares. So far it seems that they are doing what is best for the jewish mafia and not what is best for neither russia or america.
What can we do about it ? It seems that for most people this kind of information is unacceptable so even presenting this form of information seems largely pointless . People believe what they want to believe . Things that go against their beliefs just makes them upset. I dont know whats the solution to this mess ... Whatever the solution , it cant be a lie .

[norman]

Then there's the Star & Circle model [ :) ]

https://rumble.com/v6r2e0o-ai-on-ai-on-ai-on-the-round-table-reign.html?e9s=src_v1_upp

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[7he5ource]

trump is being accused of ''insider trading''
using ping pong yo-yo tariff threats to manipulate markets

i have another question that ponders me
CAN MUSK USING AI CONTROL MARKETS WITHOUT THE PUBLIC KNOWING ?

who is getting rich
the promise was Americans would but losing faith in markets will eliminate trillions of ppl's saving investments

[7he5ource]

So is this what it is??
Putin & Trump are actually Jews,roling out the zionists' agenda and both fooling the entire world ?
If thats true, then what can we do?
Or is it a false narrative & a strategy to kill all the hope & aspiration for truth & justice?

Both Trump and Putin are very friendly with chabad mafia and both are surrounded by yewish billionaires. So far it seems that they are doing what is best for the yewish mafia and not what is best for neither Russia or America. .

the david yikes groupies say when icke says reptile its code for youish

[7he5ource]

i watched the duck state that a friend of his made 300 million in one day
during the market chaos he created

follow the money
peasants thing money is move
love is intelligence that brilliant light
foreseeing the orchestrations manipulations criminality, propaganda/fraud .........................
''theorizing conspiracies is the method [honest] police use to solve crimes

competent ppl must now be ultra aware not of whats happening but how it affects what WILL happen
and trump using executive orders is ,moving faster than greased lightning too many don't see beyond the tunnel vision
presented my main media which avoids the meticulous details that hide behind what news anchors blurts

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW9VscfbLvc
LIVE: Bombshell Elon 'DEATH THREAT' Message To Trump In Front Of Cabinet | Watch

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seniors disabled [many by military] homeless dissenters to be genocided

[7he5ource]

[QUOTE=bojancan;1661218][QUOTE=Sirus;1661205]Due to Trumps efforts, Nato is on track to be NATO?





I think Trumps whole attitude to NATO is simple: to get a fair deal for the USA.

USA has weapons off planet that can vaporize any where change weather start forest fires create drought, super-cell rainstorms tornadoes hurricanes and events ppl call climate change the govt admits this its not a theory
and NATO is obsolete trump wants to be the village idiot of the global village
elon can fiance this and let him/elon pay all NATO debts
pocket change to him


GERMAN military industry inside USA
the majority German owned keep secret from civilians the newest advanced [called ET]
Americans have too much money [a few] and see a peasant class as guinea pigs


AI Overview
Learn more
The US military has a history of developing secret weapons and technologies, many of which are kept from public view. These include advanced nuclear weapons, directed energy weapons, and space-based weaponry. Additionally, the US has developed unconventional and non-lethal weapons, some of which are deployed in combat zones


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpFgvGeEQlA
Forbidden Technologies and The Silencing of Their Inventors

[7he5ource]

the ONLY legitimate use of money is to enhance love/intelligence abolish [vaporize if necessary] criminality

[7he5ource]

if you had told the American public in 1962 that a soviet-backed asset would one day sit in the white house, they would have burned Washington to the ground before letting it happen. But today? Nobody seems to care.


CANADA BURNED DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE TWICE

#u<k Washington and all its inhabitants
USA is preparing for nuclear war, one it may lose
the Atlantic no longer provides protection
surface life in USA is in danger trump knows this and his attempts to catch up only make USA look as DESPERATE as they are

before Rome fell the Roman senators [all with Melania model type wives] SOLD their wives to debtor nations leaders to pay debts

AMERICAN MAIL ORDER BARBIE DOLLS
you are not up to date on human trafficking if you question this
Dubai is where Marilyn reincarnated not California with illegal tent cities and garbage crime,
underground luxury





AI Overview
Learn more
The Canadian NORAD Region (CANR) is one of the three regions that make up the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD). CANR is responsible for providing aerospace surveillance, identification, control, and warning for the defense of Canada and North America. It's headquartered at 1 Canadian Air Division in Winnipeg, Manitoba


40 ish percent of NSA
hundreds of USA secret missile [like minuteman] exists across Canada
Canada has every right to destroy or demand their removal

USA is a fart in a firestorm without Canada
and i lived in the Hollywood community whom many of which i loved
they are dead now as are the values we shared
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USA has no backing to its money now Germany removed all gold after trumps 1st tirades against its friends

USA [like Israel] is a blasphemy to life on earth and trump-et is its mouth
2 rabbis of the Canadian Jewish congress declared the re-establishment of Israel is
the blasphemy of desolation

this was headline news as the 2 defective Jesuits passed pamphlets in LA during the Olympics i was there. 83?

[7he5ource]

i am surprised by the lack of interest in my posts ... the video examines what was secret tech generations ago
a mere glance at what is currently in use, this guy had weather control long before anyone heard the term

all the funding [private anonymous] has led me to live in 22 countries while using my backing for FEET ON THE GROUND
investigative journalism, i unloaded classified data on a forum called God Less Plebes productions
i backtracked erasing it all and closing several accounts which i opened due to censorship
attempts to silence otherworldly information i had verified as true


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don't pay USA took credit for winning ww2 after sending in Canadians to break the way
Germany [Nazis]
exterminated over 8 million '''''''''''''''Nordic Aryan'''''''''''''''''' communities
the stories told are not accurate
follow the money
USA should pay any and all debts regarding military activity they arm the world through the military industrial complex
and are holding weapons no one knows about and OWE disclosure for stealing money for black ops


Germans own army committed genocide on aryan communities for refusing to interbreed or pay taxes
like Mennonites like the cathars independent peoples who refuse government

watch a video
Hitler was a British agent
i don't condone it as fact but contains some pointers
as to how much today is kept secret from then

[7he5ource]

Trump brags to NASCAR drivers that friend
Charles Schwab made $2bn from stock market chaos
Donald Trump bragged that his friend and investor Charles Schwab made two billion dollars
from the current stock market chaos.

In a video posted to X on Wednesday, 9 April, the president introduced NASCAR drivers to
the founder and chairman of Charles Schwab Corporation, a multinational financial services company.

“It’s not just a company, it’s actually an individual,” Trump told the racing drivers.

The president added that Schwab “made two and a half billion today” from the stock market. Another Trump chump made 300 million trump announced
The market has experienced dramatic fluctuations since Trump announced historic reciprocal tariffs on foreign nations on 2 April. Global uproar and panic resulted in massive sell-offs in anticipation of the escalating trade war.

But then Trump put a 90-day pause on the tariffs except for China, causing a huge surge
in markets.


https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/trump-charles-schwab-stock-market-tariffs-nascar-b2731568.html


this isn't a coincidence ... trump promised yo male Americans rich but left out there would only be 11 getting very rich as 350n million get very poor, c'mpn hes working with someone the wars in Gaza and Ukraine palm Sunday BOTH escalated with great force

[ExomatrixTV]

...
Possible TREASON? (Russiagate and Obama) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?130075-Possible-TREASON--Russiagate-and-Obama-)

[Merlinus]

Trumps definitely an agent/controlled. The world is literally a stage, there's the public hierarchy, and the real HIDDEN hierarchy, which the elohim/gods etc, keep hidden.