Elon Musk Saves Stranded Astronauts

[Mike]

I was surprised to discover that we don't have an Elon thread (or maybe we do and I've just missed it all this time). This particular story is certainly worthy of the News/Current events section, just not sure which subsection it should go into...

Anyway, the brilliant Musk has added to his remarkable resume by saving the 2 astronauts that were left in space thoughtlessly (or perhaps as part of a demented political strategy) by Biden and his retarded minions for 9 months. They will be returning to earth on Tuesday.

Of course this will go dramatically underreported because God forbid either Trump or Musk get any credit for anything in the MSM...

Short 2 minute video here, includes a message from the astronauts thanking Trump and Musk, which I'd bet my mother's life never makes it onto CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS or any other such disgraceful media outlet run by woke subnormals.

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[Open Minded Dude]

Of course this will go dramatically underreported because God forbid either Trump or Musk get any credit for anything in the MSM...
Today on my favourite radio station's 5 minute news broadcast they actually reported this, it's mostly a rock music station with a rather cool vibe, but the news they broadcast is strictly of the (leftist) 'mainstream' type.

[DNA]

It's weird but when I think of an analogous representation for Elon I think of Batman.
Only here is the weird thing.
Elon is cooler than Batman.
Elon is working with the president using detective work to find and out the biggest enemies of the human race.
Then he nonchalantly builds a rocket and rescues some astronauts.
Batman only deals with street thugs and organized local crime .
Elon deals with global orchestrators of organized crimes.
Dude is a bad a$$

[arwen]

Sorry, I could not resist adding this here :ROFL:

Federal Judge Orders Astronauts Be Returned To Space Station (https://babylonbee.com/news/judge-orders-astronauts-be-returned-to-space-station/)

https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/67d84a8dcfd9067d84a8dcfd91.jpg


U.S. — A district judge has issued a ruling saying Trump lacked the Constitutional authority to pick up two astronauts who have been stranded at the International Space Station for several months.

SpaceX has been ordered to return the astronauts immediately.

"I will not stand by while Donald Trump abuses his power like a dictator," said Judge Earl Flanders in his ruling. "Trump has no authority to pick up these astronauts, and I can say that because I'm a federal judge, and no one is allowed to argue with me, and everyone has to do what I say."

(Full Babylon Bee parody article in link above). It is hard to tell fact from parody these days......

But HUGE fan of Elon Musk here, and yes, he should definitely have his own thread - I could not find a distinct one either - scattered topics as he plays so many roles in so many fields.

[rgray222]

I don't think people (at least on the left) have really taken the time to understand the impact that Musk is having on our world. As of today, he is comparable to Nikola Tesla or Henry Ford. Considering that he has another twenty-plus years to live, especially in an AI world, he could easily surpass the likes of Thomas Jefferson or Lenardo da Vinci. He truly is a force of nature and we should celebrate his successes and watch him grow after his failures. Even casual observers of Elon Musk can easily see that he is not motivated by wealth, nor does he harbour any desire to harm mankind.

The idea of hating people should not even enter our collective psyche. The thought of hating someone who is so obviously extraordinary for political reasons simply small-minded. The idea of cheering for the failure of Elon Musk is heart-wrenching and painful to witness. Threatening his life and the lives of his family members and destroying his auto dealerships while he is rescuing American astronauts from space and attempting to save the USA from financial ruin is incomprehensible. It is almost as if the Musk haters have had their minds captured by and external force and they can no longer decipher right from wrong.

The thought of an entire group of people bound together through focused hate for one very incredible human can best be described as a mental illness or more precisely evil. When it is all said and done the Musk haters will not be leaving our world a better place for mankind.

[onawah]

The astronauts aren't safe until they're safely back on Earth again. Getting back safely is half the challenge.

I was surprised to discover that we don't have an Elon thread (or maybe we do and I've just missed it all this time). This particular story is certainly worthy of the News/Current events section, just not sure which subsection it should go into...

Anyway, the brilliant Musk has added to his remarkable resume by saving the 2 astronauts that were left in space thoughtlessly (or perhaps as part of a demented political strategy) by Biden and his retarded minions for 9 months. They will be returning to earth on Tuesday.

Of course this will go dramatically underreported because God forbid either Trump or Musk get any credit for anything in the MSM...

Short 2 minute video here, includes a message from the astronauts thanking Trump and Musk, which I'd bet my mother's life never makes it onto CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS or any other such disgraceful media outlet run by woke subnormals.

[Mike]

I don't think people (at least on the left) have really taken the time to understand the impact that Musk is having on our world. As of today, he is comparable to Nikola Tesla or Henry Ford. Considering that he has another twenty-plus years to live, especially in an AI world, he could easily surpass the likes of Thomas Jefferson or Lenardo da Vinci. He truly is a force of nature and we should celebrate his successes and watch him grow after his failures. Even casual observers of Elon Musk can easily see that he is not motivated by wealth, nor does he harbour any desire to harm mankind.

The idea of hating people should not even enter our collective psyche. The thought of hating someone who is so obviously extraordinary for political reasons simply small-minded. The idea of cheering for the failure of Elon Musk is heart-wrenching and painful to witness. Threatening his life and the lives of his family members and destroying his auto dealerships while he is rescuing American astronauts from space and attempting to save the USA from financial ruin is incomprehensible. It is almost as if the Musk haters have had their minds captured by and external force and they can no longer decipher right from wrong.

The thought of an entire group of people bound together through focused hate for one very incredible human can best be described as a mental illness or more precisely evil. When it is all said and done the Musk haters will not be leaving our world a better place for mankind.


Precisely my thoughts. The hate this great man generates is simply inconceivable to me. His courage and goodness are so plainly self-evident that I have to agree with your mental illness/evil assertion. The media are doing a number on him, but I consider that a manifestation of a deeper evil. And that deeper evil is encouraging mental illness in some and exacerbating it where it already exists. That's how it seems to me.

[mountain_jim]

The astronauts aren't safe until they're safely back on Earth again. Getting back safely is half the challenge.


My thoughts also, as reentry accidents are always a risk, but I also deeply hope the mission is well-defended against Musk-hatred within the dark forces/deep-state who might try something to tarnish today's results. :(

[arwen]

I don't think people (at least on the left) have really taken the time to understand the impact that Musk is having on our world. As of today, he is comparable to Nikola Tesla or Henry Ford. Considering that he has another twenty-plus years to live, especially in an AI world, he could easily surpass the likes of Thomas Jefferson or Lenardo da Vinci. He truly is a force of nature and we should celebrate his successes and watch him grow after his failures. Even casual observers of Elon Musk can easily see that he is not motivated by wealth, nor does he harbour any desire to harm mankind.

The idea of hating people should not even enter our collective psyche. The thought of hating someone who is so obviously extraordinary for political reasons simply small-minded. The idea of cheering for the failure of Elon Musk is heart-wrenching and painful to witness. Threatening his life and the lives of his family members and destroying his auto dealerships while he is rescuing American astronauts from space and attempting to save the USA from financial ruin is incomprehensible. It is almost as if the Musk haters have had their minds captured by and external force and they can no longer decipher right from wrong.

The thought of an entire group of people bound together through focused hate for one very incredible human can best be described as a mental illness or more precisely evil. When it is all said and done the Musk haters will not be leaving our world a better place for mankind.


Precisely my thoughts. The hate this great man generates is simply inconceivable to me. His courage and goodness are so plainly self-evident that I have to agree with your mental illness/evil assertion. The media are doing a number on him, but I consider that a manifestation of a deeper evil. And that deeper evil is encouraging mental illness in some and exacerbating it where it already exists. That's how it seems to me.

Elon had hell in his childhood too. He was bullied and beaten up at the expensive all white school he went to (so much for privilege!) - he was almost beaten to death at one stage by a pack of boys.

I think there is something in the base human consciousness which is so warped in the pack. If kids or people sense a large aura, a gifted person or genius, or even someone different - they go into attack mode and want to kill it. They always attack someone who is of good intentions. They do not try to understand it. They want it extinguished.

Animals on the other hand select the strongest and most able to be the leaders of their pack. (Which is why animals are way smarter than humans in general).

A large chunk of humans seem to gang up and HATE on anyone who is there to genuinely help and improve things. It would be a whole other thread to understand that. Wetiko virus.

My view is that when people or packs hate too much, gang up in a blind hatred, there is something in that person that makes those people feel bad about themselves - makes them feel small and inadequate and inferior in comparison, so they have to kill it or trash it.

I myself feel grateful to simply be on this planet at the same time as Elon Musk to observe this INCREDIBLE genius who JUST wants to make the world a better place. FFS. Sorry. But it is there throughout human history. Going back to Socrates, and a long litany of incredible people who have been hung, drawn and quartered for simply having a magnificent gift and wanting to share it with the world.


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[Jaak]

Sounds more like a PR stunt . It´s not like Musk did it for free . Average cost to launch for Space-X is around 20 million and they charge 60-70 million or more for it. So they got payd nicely and it made them look good.
Im not an Musk hater but i certainly dont trust the guy . Seems more like a frontman for certain powerful gang that want to turn this world into technocracy nightmare which would be easily ruled and controlled by them .
Turning earth into a giant microwave oven with his starlink , putting wires into humans brains (Neuralink) , electric cars that can be remotely controlled or turned off ....
Without DARPA and US military he would not be where he is .

With DOGE they seem to be culling the herd , getting rid of deadweight and useless idiots who have done the damage/their jobs and are no longer needed. A.I can replace them ....
Plenty of sketchy thing about Musk that makes him look very suspicious.
“Whenever the people need a hero, we shall supply him." -33 degree Mason, Albert Pike
For many Trump and Musk seem to be the heroes who are going to save the world while doing the opposite...

[Mike]

Sounds more like a PR stunt . It´s not like Musk did it for free . Average cost to launch for Space-X is around 20 million and they charge 60-70 million or more for it. So they got payd nicely and it made them look good.
Im not an Musk hater but i certainly dont trust the guy . Seems more like a frontman for certain powerful gang that want to turn this world into technocracy nightmare which would be easily ruled and controlled by them .
Turning earth into a giant microwave oven with his starlink , putting wires into humans brains (Neuralink) , electric cars that can be remotely controlled or turned off ....
Without DARPA and US military he would not be where he is .

With DOGE they seem to be culling the herd , getting rid of deadweight and useless idiots who have done the damage/their jobs and are no longer needed. A.I can replace them ....
Plenty of sketchy thing about Musk that makes him look very suspicious.
“Whenever the people need a hero, we shall supply him." -33 degree Mason, Albert Pike
For many Trump and Musk seem to be the heroes who are going to save the world while doing the opposite...


What would he have to do for you to trust him? How many more astronauts' lives would he have to save? How many more times would he have to offer Starlink for free to areas ravaged by natural disasters? How many more unpaid hours would he have to sacrifice for the country? How many more death threats would he have to endure as a result of it? How much more destruction to his property would have to happen? How many more contributions to sustainable energy would he have to offer you? How many more times would he have to rescue free speech? How many more millions of dollars would he have to donate to charity?

Serious questions.

[Craig]

I cannot stop thinking of this and hope for the best, plus an inanimate carbon rod!
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[Bill Ryan]

Here's a livestream, with full running SpaceX/NASA commentary, which started 20 minutes ago. (They haven't crashed yet!) Splashdown is scheduled for 5:57 pm US Eastern Time, just under an hour from now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqmyse3S7yg

[Mike]

Here's a livestream, with full running SpaceX/NASA commentary, which started 20 minutes ago. (They haven't crashed yet!) Splashdown is scheduled for 5:57 pm US Eastern Time, just under an hour from now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqmyse3S7yg


Cool, thanks. That was fun to watch. Feeling relieved that they're back safe and sound.

[arwen]

And while some of the humans were running around burning Teslas today, some dolphins appeared to welcome the astronauts back.

:sun: 🐬 🐬 🐬

Text:


Rob Schmitt
@SchmittNYC

Astronauts greeted by Dolphins 🐬

Link on X: https://x.com/SchmittNYC/status/1902122783204630825

[onawah]

Being skeptical is not the same as being hateful.
Skeptics have good reasons for their skepticism, and history has certainly proven that over and over again.
Particularly now when the Globalists' poisonous webs are so widespread, and we don't learn the truth about so many of their heinous acts until it is too late to do anything about it.
They have become very expert at hiding their secrets.



I don't think people (at least on the left) have really taken the time to understand the impact that Musk is having on our world. As of today, he is comparable to Nikola Tesla or Henry Ford. Considering that he has another twenty-plus years to live, especially in an AI world, he could easily surpass the likes of Thomas Jefferson or Lenardo da Vinci. He truly is a force of nature and we should celebrate his successes and watch him grow after his failures. Even casual observers of Elon Musk can easily see that he is not motivated by wealth, nor does he harbour any desire to harm mankind.

The idea of hating people should not even enter our collective psyche. The thought of hating someone who is so obviously extraordinary for political reasons simply small-minded. The idea of cheering for the failure of Elon Musk is heart-wrenching and painful to witness. Threatening his life and the lives of his family members and destroying his auto dealerships while he is rescuing American astronauts from space and attempting to save the USA from financial ruin is incomprehensible. It is almost as if the Musk haters have had their minds captured by and external force and they can no longer decipher right from wrong.

The thought of an entire group of people bound together through focused hate for one very incredible human can best be described as a mental illness or more precisely evil. When it is all said and done the Musk haters will not be leaving our world a better place for mankind.


Precisely my thoughts. The hate this great man generates is simply inconceivable to me. His courage and goodness are so plainly self-evident that I have to agree with your mental illness/evil assertion. The media are doing a number on him, but I consider that a manifestation of a deeper evil. And that deeper evil is encouraging mental illness in some and exacerbating it where it already exists. That's how it seems to me.

[Mike]

Being skeptical is not the same as being hateful.
Skeptics have good reasons for their skepticism, and history has certainly proven that over and over again.
Particularly now when the Globalists' poisonous webs are so widespread, and we don't learn the truth about so many of their heinous acts until it is too late to do anything about it.
They have become very expert at hiding their secrets.



I don't think people (at least on the left) have really taken the time to understand the impact that Musk is having on our world. As of today, he is comparable to Nikola Tesla or Henry Ford. Considering that he has another twenty-plus years to live, especially in an AI world, he could easily surpass the likes of Thomas Jefferson or Lenardo da Vinci. He truly is a force of nature and we should celebrate his successes and watch him grow after his failures. Even casual observers of Elon Musk can easily see that he is not motivated by wealth, nor does he harbour any desire to harm mankind.

The idea of hating people should not even enter our collective psyche. The thought of hating someone who is so obviously extraordinary for political reasons simply small-minded. The idea of cheering for the failure of Elon Musk is heart-wrenching and painful to witness. Threatening his life and the lives of his family members and destroying his auto dealerships while he is rescuing American astronauts from space and attempting to save the USA from financial ruin is incomprehensible. It is almost as if the Musk haters have had their minds captured by and external force and they can no longer decipher right from wrong.

The thought of an entire group of people bound together through focused hate for one very incredible human can best be described as a mental illness or more precisely evil. When it is all said and done the Musk haters will not be leaving our world a better place for mankind.


Precisely my thoughts. The hate this great man generates is simply inconceivable to me. His courage and goodness are so plainly self-evident that I have to agree with your mental illness/evil assertion. The media are doing a number on him, but I consider that a manifestation of a deeper evil. And that deeper evil is encouraging mental illness in some and exacerbating it where it already exists. That's how it seems to me.


What exactly would he have to do to alleviate your skepticism?

[rgray222]

Being skeptical is not the same as being hateful.
Skeptics have good reasons for their skepticism, and history has certainly proven that over and over again.
Particularly now when the Globalists' poisonous webs are so widespread, and we don't learn the truth about so many of their heinous acts until it is too late to do anything about it.
They have become very expert at hiding their secrets.


I understand that Musk is a galvanizing character and it is perfectly OK to approach him with a degree of skepticism but at this juncture, he has established a long-term track record. His behavior and mission in life have not wavered. He is a human being who needs to be in a constant state of motion, he feels he is here for a purpose and he is on a mission to fulfill that purpose which is to make the future better for humanity. Whether we like it or not he has already put the world on the same road he is travelling. From where I sit that road includes, grand space exploration, Twitter or X (free speech), cleaner cars, wireless communication, open source AI, Neuralink, and his sleeper company the Boring Company which may eventually compete with the major airlines providing clean fast transportation. On top of all of that, he is trying to stop massive fraud, waste and corruption in the American government.

Please don't misunderstand what I am about to say but both Musk and Trump were not blessed with even mediocre social skills. At times they both seem to be their own worst enemy, but they were blessed with good hearts that want to do the right thing for humanity. They have also been blessed with the ability to bring evil out into the open and expose it to the truth. It is exceptionally rare to see this happen but right now around the world evil is on full display.

Trump and Musk are targets of evil and I do fear for their safety.

iNpGWX93pmE

[Mike]

Being skeptical is not the same as being hateful.
Skeptics have good reasons for their skepticism, and history has certainly proven that over and over again.
Particularly now when the Globalists' poisonous webs are so widespread, and we don't learn the truth about so many of their heinous acts until it is too late to do anything about it.
They have become very expert at hiding their secrets.


I understand that Musk is a galvanizing character and it is perfectly OK to approach him with a degree of skepticism but at this juncture, he has established a long-term track record. His behavior and mission in life have not wavered. He is a human being who needs to be in a constant state of motion, he feels he is here for a purpose and he is on a mission to fulfill that purpose which is to make the future better for humanity. Whether we like it or not he has already put the world on the same road he is travelling. From where I sit that road includes, grand space exploration, Twitter or X (free speech), cleaner cars, wireless communication, open source AI, Neuralink, and his sleeper company the Boring Company which may eventually compete with the major airlines providing clean fast transportation. On top of all of that, he is trying to stop massive fraud, waste and corruption in the American government.

Please don't misunderstand what I am about to say but both Musk and Trump were not blessed with even mediocre social skills. At times they both seem to be their own worst enemy, but they were blessed with good hearts that want to do the right thing for humanity. They have also been blessed with the ability to bring evil out into the open and expose it to the truth. It is exceptionally rare to see this happen but right now around the world evil is on full display.

Trump and Musk are targets of evil and I do fear for their safety.

iNpGWX93pmE


Well said. I'm in agreement with you there.

I'm perfectly okay with some skepticism, but I see quite a bit of cynicism out there masquerading as skepticism when it comes to Musk. For a certain type of person, there is nothing Musk can do that would ever satisfy them. It's the same affliction we see with Trump.

I think we have a moral obligation to get behind our great genius' and offer our support. Not our blind worship, but our support. Musk has shown himself to be sincere, honest, and largely selfless across multiple domains now, over time, and I think the reasonable person has to look at what he's done and said so far and offer him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think it's particularly noble or wise to cling to skepticism when someone of Musk's caliber is demonstrating over and over again that he has humanity's best interests at heart. To pick at this or that thing, or to offer some abstract fear of world domination thru A.I. or something isn't useful at this time in history. There's just too much at stake.

[arwen]

And the bottom line is - would all this hatred of Elon Musk - which was NOT there before - be directed to him if he had not taken on DOGE to do a decades long overdue audit of where American taxpayers money was going all this time? And uncovered what he has so far?

I always looks at WHEN the Hate campaign started, and for what reason. It was DOGE that sent the paid propagandists and their brainwashed minions over the edge.

Huge difference between valid critical thinking - Elon is not perfect, he has flaws like all of us - and hatred.

All I see is B*lls of Titanium - courage and integrity. Which has increased my respect for him exponentially, along with his brilliant mind and genius. But do I worship and follow everything he says? No. Then I would be no different than the paid and the brainwashed.

I have some concerns about his long term agenda too. But right now, for someone to stick their head in the very pits of hell and expose all those "on the take" - WOW. I know of very few people that would be prepared to do that and take all the demonic fury now being levied at him.

[onawah]

What makes me skeptical for one, is his rapid rise to power and great wealth that has been broadcast so widely, but with little explanation as to how he accomplished that, and reports from credible sources saying that it was done with a lot of assistance in secret from Globalists behind the scenes.
His ability to appear harmless, generous etc. could very well have made him a perfect candidate for a Globalist frontman/puppet.
I will not supply a lot of links to articles here, but there actually ARE a couple of threads focusing on Musk, some posts in favor of, some skeptical:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120353-Musk-is-not-the-answer&p=1588545&highlight=elon+unmusked#post1588545
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122119-Elon-Musk-The-Masterful-Troll/page9&
And the skeptical sources are VERY credible, like Dark Journalist, Whitney Webb, C.A. Fitts, Dr. Joseph Farrell, James Corbett, just for a few examples. See the quick clip here: https://home.solari.com/2024-annual-wrap-up-news-trends-stories-part-i-stories-1-4-with-dr-joseph-p-farrell/
Some obvious reasons for doubting his good intentions include Neuralink, which is a big step toward making humankind mind-controlled
...his boring machines, which have made the controllers' DUMBS possible, all built at the taxpayers' expense, and not at all good for the Earth
...same goes for StarLink, more high tech to dumb us down and make the skies even more unsafe
... the fact that X does not really allow free speech in some important cases See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQxG4KEzvo (starting at 21 minutes in )
...that electric cars are a huge and very dangerous waste when there is safe, economical tech that would work much better, but is being suppressed
...(and that Musk is still cooperating with the psychotic CCP in order to manufacture Teslas in China).
Also, his highly doubtful proposition that humanity will be able to successfully colonize Mars (which would be at incredibly great expense & extremely dangerous), when what really needs to be done is to clean up the mess humanity has made right here on Earth... (karma's a bitch).
Which gets into the whole subject of the 12,000 solar cycle and what is upcoming for both Earth and Mars because of that, which Musk no doubt knows about, but like many other people in the know and in similar positions of great wealth and great influence, is not disclosing publicly.
I could go on, but I'm not interested in another pointless argument-- and it is pointless to argue from POVs of black and white, especially when all the facts really aren't in yet.

[seehas]

The Title of this thread should be "Elon Safes the World" - I said it already many times in different Elon Threads. He is not the guy "they" want you to believe he is. He was placed in this position and he has a task. To fulfill his role it is from highest importance that the "sheep" like him.

When the richest man on the planet smokes a Joint in the Joe Rogan Podcast - plays Diablo4 on a professional Level - Insults Global Elites - it's time to think about why is it so damn important to "them" that Elon is this cool Iron Man coin of character!? Maybe because he has to sell us "humanity" something. Time will tell but Neurolink is already on the table.

[Mike]

What makes me skeptical for one, is his rapid rise to power and great wealth that has been broadcast so widely, but with little explanation as to how he accomplished that, and reports from credible sources saying that it was done with a lot of assistance in secret from Globalists behind the scenes.
His ability to appear harmless, generous etc. could very well have made him a perfect candidate for a Globalist frontman/puppet.
I will not supply a lot of links to articles here, but there actually ARE a couple of threads focusing on Musk, some posts in favor of, some skeptical:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120353-Musk-is-not-the-answer&p=1588545&highlight=elon+unmusked#post1588545
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122119-Elon-Musk-The-Masterful-Troll/page9&
And the skeptical sources are VERY credible, like Dark Journalist, Whitney Webb, C.A. Fitts, Dr. Joseph Farrell, John Corbett, just for a few examples. See the quick clip here: https://home.solari.com/2024-annual-wrap-up-news-trends-stories-part-i-stories-1-4-with-dr-joseph-p-farrell/
Some obvious reasons for doubting his good intentions include Neuralink, which is a big step toward making humankind mind-controlled
...his boring machines, which have made the controllers' DUMBS possible, all built at the taxpayers' expense, and not at all good for the Earth
...same goes for StarLink, more high tech to dumb us down and make the skies even more unsafe
... the fact that X does not really allow free speech in some important cases See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQxG4KEzvo (starting at 21 minutes in )
...that electric cars are a huge and very dangerous waste when there is safe, economical tech that would work much better, but is being suppressed
...(and that Musk is still cooperating with the psychotic CCP in order to manufacture Teslas in China).
Also, his highly doubtful proposition that humanity will be able to successfully colonize Mars (which would be at incredibly great expense & extremely dangerous), when what really needs to be done is to clean up the mess humanity has made right here on Earth... (karma's a bitch).
Which gets into the whole subject of the 12,000 solar cycle and what is upcoming for both Earth and Mars because of that, which Musk no doubt knows about, but like many other people in the know and in similar positions of great wealth and great influence, is not disclosing publicly.
I could go on, but I'm not interested in another pointless argument-- and it is pointless to argue from POVs of black and white, especially when all the facts really aren't in yet.



I don't think his acquisition of wealth was really that rapid. And it's not top secret or anything. It dates back to 1995 and looks like this:

Zip2 (1995-1999):
In 1995, Musk and his brother, Kimbal, co-founded Zip2, an online business directory that provided maps and business directories to newspapers. This was a novel concept at the time, and the company was acquired by Compaq in 1999 for $307 million. Musk's share of the sale was approximately $22 million.

X.com/PayPal (1999-2002):
After the sale of Zip2, Musk invested his earnings into X.com, an online payment company that later merged with Confinity to form PayPal. In 2002, eBay acquired PayPal for $1.5 billion. Musk, who was the largest shareholder in PayPal, received $165 million in eBay stock.

SpaceX and Tesla:
Following the PayPal acquisition, Musk founded SpaceX in 2002 with the goal of making space exploration more accessible and colonizing Mars. He also joined Tesla Motors in 2004, eventually becoming CEO and transforming the company into a leader in the electric vehicle market.

And he was born into a wealthy family, which was no doubt useful.

Re Neauralink: Like any technology it can be used for good or bad. It's interesting to me that the potential miracle it will provide for the handicapped and infirm almost never gets mentioned.:) It's always ignored in favor of the conspiracy. Why?? I don't blame you for being a little wary of it, but isn't it also very exciting as well? Ditto Starlink. Why nothing about the enormous help it provided hurricane victims in North Carolina? And as far as his electric cars, he can hardly be blamed for the suppression of free energy; his cars are the next best thing atm re sustainable energy.

Are you unmoved by the billions he's donated to charity? (billions). Or the insane amount of unpaid labor he's offering the U.S. government atm?(on top of all his other insane commitments). And if he's a globalist of some sort, why is he under constant attack from the MSM, world leaders, and high ranking figures in rival political parties? His participation in Trump's DOGE has caused him nothing but grief; he doesn't have to do any of that. He's risking his life by doing all that. And he didn't have to lose money by purchasing Twitter in his quest to salvage free speech either. I just don't know how you can disregard those things in favor of vague reports that he may have had globalist assistance at some point along his trajectory when nothing about his speech or actions really indicate that type of thing.

[Mike]

The Title of this thread should be "Elon Safes the World" - I said it already many times in different Elon Threads. He is not the guy "they" want you to believe he is. He was placed in this position and he has a task. To fulfill his role it is from highest importance that the "sheep" like him.

When the richest man on the planet smokes a Joint in the Joe Rogan Podcast - plays Diablo4 on a professional Level - Insults Global Elites - it's time to think about why is it so damn important to "them" that Elon is this cool Iron Man coin of character!? Maybe because he has to sell us "humanity" something. Time will tell but Neurolink is already on the table.


Well, what if he did save the world? What would you say then? What if an asteroid was barreling towards earth, and Musk provided some technology to change it's course and save humanity? Would that just be another ruse by the global elites designed to fast track him into some kind of Iron Man role in order that he brainwash everyone with his Starlink devices??

Elon Musk might be the most polarizing figure in the world right now not named Donald Trump. If he's one of "them", why are "they" allowing these endless attacks on him then? Please explain that to me.

[onawah]

There's nothing vague about the reports!
I think he's risking very little if the Globalists are behind him, unless they decide to dispose of him or let him be disposed of.
It's certainly true that the appearance Musk presents is convincing if you look no further than those glowing reports, but I think it's really all a game to him.
It's the real researchers who look beyond the obvious who present the rest of the missing picture.
You have to have the motivation to do the digging yourself to see that, but there's a fair amount of it in the form of links already here on the forum if you choose to look.
I've had plenty of time to do that kind of digging, and you may not have that, Mike, but I think if you can find the time and the motivation, you might discover that a bit of skepticism could do you a world of good when it comes to seeing more clearly.


I just don't know how you can disregard those things in favor of vague reports that he may have had globalist assistance at some point along his trajectory when nothing about his speech or actions really indicate that type of thing.

[jaybee]

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I'm perfectly okay with some skepticism, but I see quite a bit of cynicism out there masquerading as skepticism when it comes to Musk. For a certain type of person, there is nothing Musk can do that would ever satisfy them. It's the same affliction we see with Trump.

I think we have a moral obligation to get behind our great genius' and offer our support. Not our blind worship, but our support. Musk has shown himself to be sincere, honest, and largely selfless across multiple domains now, over time, and I think the reasonable person has to look at what he's done and said so far and offer him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think it's particularly noble or wise to cling to skepticism when someone of Musk's caliber is demonstrating over and over again that he has humanity's best interests at heart. To pick at this or that thing, or to offer some abstract fear of world domination thru A.I. or something isn't useful at this time in history. There's just too much at stake.


I agree with what you say and thanks for the thread - re the bolded above - yes there is too much at stake ...because all negative input leaves an energetic imprint, a 'spiritual' imprint on the collective consciousness... that aids those who are waging war against humanity and behaving like idiotic tyrants - I think you have to know when to 'nail your colours to the mast'..... and I'm 100% in support of Musk - he doesn't know I exist and will never know - but I feel connected to him and his 'mission' - like I do with Trump ... because we are all in this together - on differing levels...

everything and everyone, ideally, should be open to scrutiny in a free and open society - but there's a fine line between helpful academic questioning and trolling... and the level of demonic attack is so bad right now - caution should be applied.. (IMO)

I stumbled on this video the other day and it's another aspect of Musk's work - that could, given the right support solve a lot of problems with homelessness and affordable housing - - - I'm a very 'low tech' person in my own life but I can see how the right application of high tech could be a good thing for some aspects the Modern World -

$7,579 Tesla Tiny House FINALLY HIT The Market! INSANE First Look (18:11)

kxbIfIdz2-E


$7,579 Tesla Tiny House FINALLY HIT The Market! INSANE First Look. Tesla has just done the impossible. Elon Musk shocked the tech world by unveiling the Tesla Tiny House 2025—a fully autonomous, self-sustaining smart home with an almost unbelievable price tag of just $7,579. Yes, you heard that right—a complete home solution that costs less than the latest fully specced-out Mac Pro.
more about it in description under the video on YT site...

I'm going to scoot off and see if this info is in the Tiny House thread... :)

:thumbsup:

[Mike]

There's nothing vague about the reports!
I think he's risking very little if the Globalists are behind him, unless they decide to dispose of him or let him be disposed of.
It's certainly true that the appearance Musk presents is convincing if you look no further than those glowing reports, but I think it's really all a game to him.
It's the real researchers who look beyond the obvious who present the rest of the missing picture.
You have to have the motivation to do the digging yourself to see that, but there's a fair amount of it in the form of links already here on the forum if you choose to look.
I've had plenty of time to do that kind of digging, and you may not have that, Mike, but I think if you can find the time and the motivation, you might discover that a bit of skepticism could do you a world of good when it comes to seeing more clearly.


I just don't know how you can disregard those things in favor of vague reports that he may have had globalist assistance at some point along his trajectory when nothing about his speech or actions really indicate that type of thing.


If Musk is a globalist, why is he under constant attack by the mainstream media?

[mountain_jim]

What makes me skeptical for one, is his rapid rise to power and great wealth that has been broadcast so widely, but with little explanation as to how he accomplished that, and reports from credible sources saying that it was done with a lot of assistance in secret from Globalists behind the scenes.
His ability to appear harmless, generous etc. could very well have made him a perfect candidate for a Globalist frontman/puppet.
I will not supply a lot of links to articles here, but there actually ARE a couple of threads focusing on Musk, some posts in favor of, some skeptical:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120353-Musk-is-not-the-answer&p=1588545&highlight=elon+unmusked#post1588545
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122119-Elon-Musk-The-Masterful-Troll/page9&
And the skeptical sources are VERY credible, like Dark Journalist, Whitney Webb, C.A. Fitts, Dr. Joseph Farrell, John Corbett, just for a few examples. See the quick clip here: https://home.solari.com/2024-annual-wrap-up-news-trends-stories-part-i-stories-1-4-with-dr-joseph-p-farrell/
Some obvious reasons for doubting his good intentions include Neuralink, which is a big step toward making humankind mind-controlled
...his boring machines, which have made the controllers' DUMBS possible, all built at the taxpayers' expense, and not at all good for the Earth
...same goes for StarLink, more high tech to dumb us down and make the skies even more unsafe
... the fact that X does not really allow free speech in some important cases See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQxG4KEzvo (starting at 21 minutes in )
...that electric cars are a huge and very dangerous waste when there is safe, economical tech that would work much better, but is being suppressed
...(and that Musk is still cooperating with the psychotic CCP in order to manufacture Teslas in China).
Also, his highly doubtful proposition that humanity will be able to successfully colonize Mars (which would be at incredibly great expense & extremely dangerous), when what really needs to be done is to clean up the mess humanity has made right here on Earth... (karma's a bitch).
Which gets into the whole subject of the 12,000 solar cycle and what is upcoming for both Earth and Mars because of that, which Musk no doubt knows about, but like many other people in the know and in similar positions of great wealth and great influence, is not disclosing publicly.
I could go on, but I'm not interested in another pointless argument-- and it is pointless to argue from POVs of black and white, especially when all the facts really aren't in yet.



I don't think his acquisition of wealth was really that rapid. And it's not top secret or anything. It dates back to 1995 and looks like this:

Zip2 (1995-1999):
In 1995, Musk and his brother, Kimbal, co-founded Zip2, an online business directory that provided maps and business directories to newspapers. This was a novel concept at the time, and the company was acquired by Compaq in 1999 for $307 million. Musk's share of the sale was approximately $22 million.

X.com/PayPal (1999-2002):
After the sale of Zip2, Musk invested his earnings into X.com, an online payment company that later merged with Confinity to form PayPal. In 2002, eBay acquired PayPal for $1.5 billion. Musk, who was the largest shareholder in PayPal, received $165 million in eBay stock.

SpaceX and Tesla:
Following the PayPal acquisition, Musk founded SpaceX in 2002 with the goal of making space exploration more accessible and colonizing Mars. He also joined Tesla Motors in 2004, eventually becoming CEO and transforming the company into a leader in the electric vehicle market.

And he was born into a wealthy family, which was no doubt useful.

Re Neauralink: Like any technology it can be used for good or bad. It's interesting to me that the potential miracle it will provide for the handicapped and infirm almost never gets mentioned.:) It's always ignored in favor of the conspiracy. Why?? I don't blame you for being a little wary of it, but isn't it also very exciting as well? Ditto Starlink. Why nothing about the enormous help it provided hurricane victims in North Carolina? And as far as his electric cars, he can hardly be blamed for the suppression of free energy; his cars are the next best thing atm re sustainable energy.

Are you unmoved by the billions he's donated to charity? (billions). Or the insane amount of unpaid labor he's offering the U.S. government atm?(on top of all his other insane commitments). And if he's a globalist of some sort, why is he under constant attack from the MSM, world leaders, and high ranking figures in rival political parties? His participation in Trump's DOGE has caused him nothing but grief; he doesn't have to do any of that. He's risking his life by doing all that. And he didn't have to lose money by purchasing Twitter in his quest to salvage free speech either. I just don't know how you can disregard those things in favor of vague reports that he may have had globalist assistance at some point along his trajectory when nothing about his speech or actions really indicate that type of thing.

I quote this post to say I wish to amplify my thanks by 1000 ! :fire: :fire: :fire:

[onawah]

He was named one of the WEF's :"Young Global Leaders" and still has ties to the WEF, so that's a good place to start.
The mainstream media attacks all kinds of people, depending on who they are being told to attack from their handlers, and that can change at a moment's notice.
I've named some very credible researchers who know a whole lot more about Musk than I do.
Why don't you check out some of their reports?


If Musk is a globalist, why is he under constant attack by the mainstream media?
BTW, it's James Corbett, not John Corbett who is one of the credible researchers I named, but I got the first name wrong initially.

[Mike]

He was named one of the WEF's :"Young Global Leaders" and still has ties to the WEF, so that's a good place to start.
The mainstream media attacks all kinds of people, depending on who they are being told to attack from their handlers, and that can change at a moment's notice.
I've named some very credible researchers who know a whole lot about Musk than I do.
Why don't you check out some of their reports?


If Musk is a globalist, why is he under constant attack by the mainstream media?


The WEF can name anyone a young global leader. They could name me or you, and there's not much we could do about it. They named Vivek a young global leader, and he demanded to be removed from their list.

Anyway, it's telling that Musk was, according to the WEF, not invited to this year's meeting in Davos. According to Musk he was invited but declined. There is no love lost between Musk and the WEF, or between Musk and people like Bill Gates and George Soros for that matter. He despises them both, and has said so numerous times. I'm not sure if you (or the public in general) are aware of that.

Of course the MSM attacks all kinds of people, but not the kind of people their globalist leaders are aligned with. If Musk is aligned with them, their attacks make zero sense.

I respect Dark Journalist and Webb, and I will look into their claims. I'm not married to my position here, but I'd need something substantial to move off it. Do you think I should start with Webb or Daniel?

[Inversion]

And while some of the humans were running around burning Teslas today, some dolphins appeared to welcome the astronauts back.

:sun: 🐬 🐬 🐬

Text:


Rob Schmitt
@SchmittNYC

Astronauts greeted by Dolphins 🐬

Link on X: https://x.com/SchmittNYC/status/1902122783204630825

Here's another video of the dolphins.

03/18/25 (5:36)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lPztZttSgM

[Inversion]

Sunita William (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunita_Williams) looks to be in very poor health, and you can see an IV in her arm. The article says their eight day stay turned into 286 days. I wouldn't doubt if Williams and Wilmore were intentionally punished like the fire that killed three astronauts in 1967 (https://www.astronomy.com/space-exploration/apollo-1-tragedy-the-fatal-fire-and-its-aftermath/).

dailymail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14515033/nasa-astronaut-sunita-williams-return-doctor-health-concerns.html)

Doctors have raised concerns about astronaut Sunita Williams' health after looking noticeably frail in a new photo.

NASA released photos of Williams, 59, and fellow astronaut Butch Wilmore, 62, walking gingerly and greeting shaking hands with NASA personnel after undergoing a series of health checks following their nine-month space saga.

Doctors in particular pointed to Williams' 'visibly thin' wrists, which they told DailyMail.com could be a sign of rapid weight loss, muscular wasting in her arms, and bone density loss.

Williams and Wilmore were only supposed to spend eight days on the International Space Station (ISS) when they blasted off on June 5.

But a scourge of technical issues with their spacecraft, Boeing's Starliner, ultimately drove NASA to delay their return until they could hitch a ride home on a safer ship.

They spent 286 days aboard the ISS until splashing down Tuesday. Both astronauts were immediately lifted on to stretchers and taken for medical evaluations.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/03/19/16/96345473-14515033-Experts_said_Williams_pictured_here_before_the_mission_will_like-m-11_1742402795736.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/03/19/16/96352355-14515033-Williams_pictured_here_shortly_after_landing_is_likely_suffering-m-15_1742402826336.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/03/19/16/96352349-14515033-image-m-11_1742403227619.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

A strong statement from Elon Musk about the whole thing:

https://www.infowars.com/posts/spacex-could-have-brought-them-back-musk-blasts-biden-for-leaving-astronauts-stranded-in-space-following-successful-rescue-mission

Musk Blasts Biden for Leaving Astronauts Stranded in Space Following Successful Rescue Mission

https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1902188234366390645
1902188234366390645
The incompetent Biden administration hindered Elon Musk’s efforts to retrieve NASA’s stranded astronauts leaving them stuck in space, the SpaceX CEO told Fox News following Tuesday’s successful rescue mission.

Speaking to Fox host Sean Hannity, Musk said the astronauts’ nearly 10-month ordeal could have been significantly shortened had the Biden admin attempted to cooperate with Musk.

“We definitely offered to return the astronauts earlier,” Musk responded when asked whether he’d presented the offer to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. “There’s no question about that.”

“The astronauts were only supposed to be there for eight days and they’ve been there for almost 10 months, and so obviously that doesn’t make any sense.”

“SpaceX could have brought the astronauts back after a few months at most,” he continued, “and we made that offer to the Biden administration; it was rejected for political reasons, and that’s just a fact.”

[Mike]

Hi Bill, unless you have a strong objection to it, could we please rename this thread The Elon Musk Thread, or All Things Elon Musk, or something like that? Thanks.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill, unless you have a strong objection to it, could we please rename this thread The Elon Musk Thread, or All Things Elon Musk, or something like that? Thanks.Well, we do have the following threads already!


Musk is not the answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120353-Musk-is-not-the-answer&highlight=musk) (184 posts)
Elon Musk, The Masterful Troll (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122119-Elon-Musk-The-Masterful-Troll&highlight=musk) (171 posts)
Elon Musk, founder of Tesla: Engineer or Illusionist? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85721-Elon-Musk-founder-of-Tesla-Engineer-or-Illusionist&highlight=musk) (65 posts)

...and of course (though not specifically about Elon)

DOGE: Who Are They and What Are They Up To (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124698-DOGE-Who-Are-They-and-What-Are-They-Up-To) (221 posts)

[Mike]

Hi Bill, unless you have a strong objection to it, could we please rename this thread The Elon Musk Thread, or All Things Elon Musk, or something like that? Thanks.Well, we do have the following threads already!


Musk is not the answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120353-Musk-is-not-the-answer&highlight=musk) (184 posts)
Elon Musk, The Masterful Troll (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122119-Elon-Musk-The-Masterful-Troll&highlight=musk) (171 posts)
Elon Musk, founder of Tesla: Engineer or Illusionist? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85721-Elon-Musk-founder-of-Tesla-Engineer-or-Illusionist&highlight=musk) (65 posts)

...and of course (though not specifically about Elon)

DOGE: Who Are They and What Are They Up To (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124698-DOGE-Who-Are-They-and-What-Are-They-Up-To) (221 posts)


Ah, got it. Nevermind then:)

[Mike]

Sunita William (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunita_Williams) looks to be in very poor health, and you can see an IV in her arm. The article says their eight day stay turned into 286 days. I wouldn't doubt if Williams and Wilmore were intentionally punished like the fire that killed three astronauts in 1967 (https://www.astronomy.com/space-exploration/apollo-1-tragedy-the-fatal-fire-and-its-aftermath/).

dailymail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14515033/nasa-astronaut-sunita-williams-return-doctor-health-concerns.html)

Doctors have raised concerns about astronaut Sunita Williams' health after looking noticeably frail in a new photo.

NASA released photos of Williams, 59, and fellow astronaut Butch Wilmore, 62, walking gingerly and greeting shaking hands with NASA personnel after undergoing a series of health checks following their nine-month space saga.

Doctors in particular pointed to Williams' 'visibly thin' wrists, which they told DailyMail.com could be a sign of rapid weight loss, muscular wasting in her arms, and bone density loss.

Williams and Wilmore were only supposed to spend eight days on the International Space Station (ISS) when they blasted off on June 5.

But a scourge of technical issues with their spacecraft, Boeing's Starliner, ultimately drove NASA to delay their return until they could hitch a ride home on a safer ship.

They spent 286 days aboard the ISS until splashing down Tuesday. Both astronauts were immediately lifted on to stretchers and taken for medical evaluations.
I think the pics are a little misleading.

In her defense, I think we'd all look like hell after returning from 9 months in space.

But having said that...
Being a curious sort, I googled her a few weeks ago. And I was shocked by how rapidly she'd aged over the years, prior to her time in space. So she was already looking a little rough before the 9 months in space. All this is to say that I think the 'before' pic above represents how she looked years ago, and not quite what she looked like just before the launch. It makes her deterioration look even more dramatic than it already is imo.

[onawah]

Dark Journalist's updates generally take a lot of time and attention, and I'm not that famiiar with Webb, so couldn't say about the latter.
Why not browse through some of those threads to find posts unfavorable to Musk and see what looks most noteworthy, Mike?
You might also find some commentary from other members there that could be helpful.
As for the WEF, I doubt they would nominate anyone to their ranks unless they considered them to be basically on the same page.
In any case, WEFers are quite good at appearing one way when they are actually another, and any puppets they are using to hide behind would necessarily be good at appearing other than they actually are as well.
There is a lot of that going on now.
And Musk remains tied to others who definitely have remained in their ranks.
Deception is such common practice in the upper ranks of industry, government, etc. today it takes a lot of study and development of discernment to see the truth.



He was named one of the WEF's :"Young Global Leaders" and still has ties to the WEF, so that's a good place to start.
The mainstream media attacks all kinds of people, depending on who they are being told to attack from their handlers, and that can change at a moment's notice.
I've named some very credible researchers who know a whole lot about Musk than I do.
Why don't you check out some of their reports?


If Musk is a globalist, why is he under constant attack by the mainstream media?


The WEF can name anyone a young global leader. They could name me or you, and there's not much we could do about it. They named Vivek a young global leader, and he demanded to be removed from their list.

Anyway, it's telling that Musk was, according to the WEF, not invited to this year's meeting in Davos. According to Musk he was invited but declined. There is no love lost between Musk and the WEF, or between Musk and people like Bill Gates and George Soros for that matter. He despises them both, and has said so numerous times. I'm not sure if you (or the public in general) are aware of that.

Of course the MSM attacks all kinds of people, but not the kind of people their globalist leaders are aligned with. If Musk is aligned with them, their attacks make zero sense.

I respect Dark Journalist and Webb, and I will look into their claims. I'm not married to my position here, but I'd need something substantial to move off it. Do you think I should start with Webb or Daniel?

[Jaak]

The Title of this thread should be "Elon Safes the World" - I said it already many times in different Elon Threads. He is not the guy "they" want you to believe he is. He was placed in this position and he has a task. To fulfill his role it is from highest importance that the "sheep" like him.

When the richest man on the planet smokes a Joint in the Joe Rogan Podcast - plays Diablo4 on a professional Level - Insults Global Elites - it's time to think about why is it so damn important to "them" that Elon is this cool Iron Man coin of character!? Maybe because he has to sell us "humanity" something. Time will tell but Neurolink is already on the table.

What do these Elon fanboys say about the fact that Elon pretended to be some badass gamer but got busted . Some other people were playing the game for him and when he livestreamed it playing it he barely knew what he was doing .
Another genius move ? For what purpose ?
My guess is optics - he wanted to appear as an genius to simpletons and it often works , in that time he failed .

[arjunaloka_official]

54641


starlink satellites.

[Matthew]

Sounds more like a PR stunt . It´s not like Musk did it for free . Average cost to launch for Space-X is around 20 million and they charge 60-70 million or more for it. So they got payd nicely and it made them look good.
Im not an Musk hater but i certainly dont trust the guy . Seems more like a frontman for certain powerful gang that want to turn this world into technocracy nightmare which would be easily ruled and controlled by them .
Turning earth into a giant microwave oven with his starlink , putting wires into humans brains (Neuralink) , electric cars that can be remotely controlled or turned off ....
Without DARPA and US military he would not be where he is .

With DOGE they seem to be culling the herd , getting rid of deadweight and useless idiots who have done the damage/their jobs and are no longer needed. A.I can replace them ....
Plenty of sketchy thing about Musk that makes him look very suspicious.
“Whenever the people need a hero, we shall supply him." -33 degree Mason, Albert Pike
For many Trump and Musk seem to be the heroes who are going to save the world while doing the opposite...

I'm not a Musk hater but I don't trust him. You might be right about the PR stunt, but despite my distrust of Musk the truly bad PR stunt I see after watching the opening post's video is Biden not allowing Space-X to rescue the astronauts sooner, because it would have given Trump good publicity by association through Musk. Biden left them to rot. Musk might not have invented paypal, or the Tesla electric car, but I'll admit that him using his spaceship company to rescue astronauts is totally awesome. Calling everything "X" still sucks though. Anyway, congratulations to Musk and the rescued astronauts who the internet tells me have returned to earth now.

[rgray222]

What do these Elon fanboys say about the fact that Elon pretended to be some badass gamer but got busted . Some other people were playing the game for him and when he livestreamed it playing it he barely knew what he was doing .
Another genius move ? For what purpose ?
My guess is optics - he wanted to appear as an genius to simpletons and it often works, in that time he failed .

The media treated Nickola Tesla with a constant barrage of suspicion and skeptism. Caustic criticism was his steady companion. For much of his working life, Tesla fought against skeptism and disbelief from the mainstream media. The media chose to run sensational headlines about Tesla which influenced the general public to consider Tesla as some sort of nerd-like aberration. Had the media and the public embraced Tesla instead of planting seeds of doubt and uncertainty about his abilities the world would look much different today. Instead, Tesla left this world in unassuming isolation and poverty.

Now we are witnessing the covert attempt of the globalist, left-leaning socialists, progressives and the hateboys trying to ensure that history repeats itself. Instead of celebrating Musk's accomplishments, we are now witnessing people spewing a constant bombardment of hate towards a human who has a well-worn track record of making life better for humanity. One hundred years later we can only assume that the haters, naysayers and defeatists are genetically predisposed to stop progress and attempt to force others to view the world through their twisted dark lens. We now have absolute validation that climate change is only a tool to achieve power. We now know that when these dark souls are out of power they will sacrifice any human on the planet to return to power which is their religion.

Fortunately, there are finally enough souls on this planet who are shining light though the darkness for positive progress.

[Mike]

The Title of this thread should be "Elon Safes the World" - I said it already many times in different Elon Threads. He is not the guy "they" want you to believe he is. He was placed in this position and he has a task. To fulfill his role it is from highest importance that the "sheep" like him.

When the richest man on the planet smokes a Joint in the Joe Rogan Podcast - plays Diablo4 on a professional Level - Insults Global Elites - it's time to think about why is it so damn important to "them" that Elon is this cool Iron Man coin of character!? Maybe because he has to sell us "humanity" something. Time will tell but Neurolink is already on the table.

What do these Elon fanboys say about the fact that Elon pretended to be some badass gamer but got busted . Some other people were playing the game for him and when he livestreamed it playing it he barely knew what he was doing .
Another genius move ? For what purpose ?
My guess is optics - he wanted to appear as an genius to simpletons and it often works , in that time he failed .


Say no more. I knew nothing about the video game thing until now. And to think I've actually been defending this guy.

[Gemma13]

FFS... a great thread down the gurglar because people gotta toss out sh!t about Elon's personal downtime hanging out with internet gamers, (some making squillions without contributing anything practical to society btw while they sit on their arses all day), and taking the word of a guy who gets pissed off if a chore forces him away from his computer for more than an hour.

In "Day in the Life of Asmongold", the RPG gamer cum "content influencer" has to go out and buy a new fridge and he's not too thrilled about it. I couldn't bear the thought of wasting another minute of my life watching this exceptional human, so if someone else does watch the rest of this guys riveting day and finds something inspirational, please call me up on it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZQ2IqnIPz4?si=jj39DsIHpiHO3LOd

When it comes to competitive games there will always be dick swinging, below the belt jabs, and character assassination attempts as people jockey and wrestle to be Alpha. Especially when reputation and big money are built in. No?

Geez, you'd be hard pushed these days in our world of gaming and sports gambling to find entities out there that haven't blurred the lines on an occasion, or three, and/or wouldn't be tempted if an opportunity presented itself. Is that okay? Not particularly in my book, but I understand the when-in-Rome logic.

Bloody hell, give the guy a break. Apparently Musk is an insomniac so gaming would be a useful meditation respite. And if he needs a team to level up the boring bits of acquiring equipment before he applies his particularly unique mental acuity to solve upper level challenges, then what's the bloody crime? Smart time management strategy I would've thought.

Musk clearly doesn't have the time or inclination to sit on his arse playing games 24/7, but that shouldn't exile him from wanting a bit of fun playing within the electronic gaming communities. Hmm, maybe golf and MMA aren't suited to his nerdy persona. And he's clearly earned the right to pay helpers to level up menial tasks. No?

It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.

[Johnnycomelately]

FFS... a great thread down the gurglar because people gotta toss out sh!t about Elon's personal downtime hanging out with internet gamers, (some making squillions without contributing anything practical to society btw while they sit on their arses all day), and taking the word of a guy who gets pissed off if a chore forces him away from his computer for more than an hour.

In "Day in the Life of Asmongold", the RPG gamer cum "content influencer" has to go out and buy a new fridge and he's not too thrilled about it. I couldn't bear the thought of wasting another minute of my life watching this exceptional human, so if someone else does watch the rest of this guys riveting day and finds something inspirational, please call me up on it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZQ2IqnIPz4?si=jj39DsIHpiHO3LOd

When it comes to competitive games there will always be dick swinging, below the belt jabs, and character assassination attempts as people jockey and wrestle to be Alpha. Especially when reputation and big money are built in. No?

Geez, you'd be hard pushed these days in our world of gaming and sports gambling to find entities out there that haven't blurred the lines on an occasion, or three, and/or wouldn't be tempted if an opportunity presented itself. Is that okay? Not particularly in my book, but I understand the when-in-Rome logic.

Bloody hell, give the guy a break. Apparently Musk is an insomniac so gaming would be a useful meditation respite. And if he needs a team to level up the boring bits of acquiring equipment before he applies his particularly unique mental acuity to solve upper level challenges, then what's the bloody crime? Smart time management strategy I would've thought.

Musk clearly doesn't have the time or inclination to sit on his arse playing games 24/7, but that shouldn't exile him from wanting a bit of fun playing within the electronic gaming communities. Hmm, maybe golf and MMA aren't suited to his nerdy persona. And he's clearly earned the right to pay helpers to level up menial tasks. No?

It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.

Hi Gemma. About Mr. gold, however wordy and unpleasant he is, he does harp on the real problem of internet-connected appliances. There should be some help online for limiting them, but I think his warning is valuable, even as a reminder.

The Musk don’t comfort me, but Trump’s general tumult does, so I’m interested in this play.

I agree, let’s let this thread be about what the title says. Good job returning those languished two.


Here’s a good talk about the aging aspects of medium and long times of only microgravity. Also mentions some effects that get restored in time back on Earth. Guest is an astronaut that had a study on him and his twin brother, also an astronaut, about effects of comparative time in orbit.

Ward Carrol started his YT chan around his USN career as a back seater in Tomcats, same job as Goose in the first Top Gun. Has since delved in to geopolitics and broader military subjects. And he still plays guitar in a rock band.

Here's What Happens to Astronauts After Months in Space

Ward Carroll
644K subscribers

Posted Mar 18, 2025

“As Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams return to earth after an extended mission aboard the International Space Station, veteran Tomcat Pilot and NASA Astronaut Scott Kelly, who has spent a total of 520 days in space, returns to the channel to discuss what happens to the human body after months in a zero gravity environment.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1IuqZGGvyU

[ClearWater]

It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.
I'm generally an Elon proponent, while always maintaining the right to change my mind, but I would challenge this from a couple of directions.

First, Asmongold's life has nothing to do with Elon's integrity. We can shoot the messenger, but that doesn't automatically make the message inaccurate.

Second, and more importantly, it's not at all absurd to judge a persons integrity based upon their actions within ANY realm. A persons level of integrity typically shines through regardless. Apparently (I'm not 100% sure on this since it's not something I've dug into) Elon has intentionally misrepresented himself when it comes to his skill level at certain games.

From what I understand, he's stated/suggested/implied that he had achieved high levels when he actually had not. He had other's playing for him to get his account to those high levels, and then played with the account himself once others had gotten them to that level. This in itself may seem harmless, but it does absolutely make me question his integrity.

It's not the fact that he had others playing on his account to level it up. It's not that he then played on it afterwards, even if he had no part in getting it to a high level, and even if his skill level was far below the level represented by the ranking of his account. The issue would be in saying something that's simply untrue, and/or intentionally misrepresenting reality. If he's capable of publicly and seemingly intentionally doing this, than that's concerning to say the least.

This doesn't invalidate any good/positive/helpful things he's ever done, but still does speak to his level of integrity. This is true for any of us - both our individual and collective actions inevitably reflect our level of integrity. To say that our actions matter sometimes and don't matter other times would just be untrue.

[Mike]

Elon details exactly how he made his fortune, for anyone who might be interested:

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[arjunaloka_official]

2021 (not sure there is an update):


The science is unequivocal

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/oct/9/elon-musk-clarifies-his-stance-on-vaccines-reitera/

[Jaak]

It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.
I'm generally an Elon proponent, while always maintaining the right to change my mind, but I would challenge this from a couple of directions.

First, Asmongold's life has nothing to do with Elon's integrity. We can shoot the messenger, but that doesn't automatically make the message inaccurate.

Second, and more importantly, it's not at all absurd to judge a persons integrity based upon their actions within ANY realm. A persons level of integrity typically shines through regardless. Apparently (I'm not 100% sure on this since it's not something I've dug into) Elon has intentionally misrepresented himself when it comes to his skill level at certain games.

From what I understand, he's stated/suggested/implied that he had achieved high levels when he actually had not. He had other's playing for him to get his account to those high levels, and then played with the account himself once others had gotten them to that level. This in itself may seem harmless, but it does absolutely make me question his integrity.

Again, it's not the fact that he had others playing on his account to level it up. It's not that he then played on it afterwards, even if he had no part in getting it to a high level, and even if his skill level was far below the level represented by the ranking of his account. The issue would be in saying something that's simply untrue, and/or intentionally misrepresenting reality. If he's capable of publicly and seemingly intentionally doing this, than that's concerning to say the least.

This doesn't invalidate any good/positive/helpful things he's ever done, but still does speak to his level of integrity. This is true for any of us - both our individual and collective actions inevitably reflect our level of integrity. To say that our actions matter sometimes and don't matter other times would just be untrue.

Good take on this !
Asmongold wasnt even the first to call him out but he got censored on Twitter because he had the biggest amount of followers.
Elons account/character in the game was top 20 in the world and he was bragging about it .Had even one world record that he was proud of . And then his character died when he was doing a livestream and he had to start from zero. Nerds who got payd to grind that thing to high level must have been facepalming hard when that happened. Probably took thousands of hours to get that character that good and Elon of course has so much time to spare to play a stupid game because he never sleeps. Too smart for that .

It´s like when you own a Formula 1 car and then hire best engineers and drivers you can find to race the fastest laps everywhere and then you say it was you who actually accomplished all this and you are one of the best in the world.
But then you go drive in front of audience and its rather obvious to onlookers that the person dont know how to drive and then he crashes the car ...
Some honesty at that point would be nice but Elon doubled down and instead started to silence people on twitter who talked about it ( freedom of speech !) .

People keep calling him genius but what has he actually invented ? He has an army of engineers ,scientists etc innovating and building things , not him .
And the money to do so doesnt come from his pocket but from government ,military , DARPA etc contracts ...
So to compare him with Tesla is nonsense. Tesla was inventor , Elon is a producer .
Edison was both inventor and producer .

If Elon bothers to put so much effort to make it seem like he is some genius gamer then maybe he is doing the same with Tesla,Neuralink,Space-X etc . He is producing for the rulers what they want while making it seem as it is not.
Some people mentioned he gives alot to charities . I dont know nothing about that , need to research that. Charities these days are largely for money laundering and tax relief...

[Mike]

It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.
I'm generally an Elon proponent, while always maintaining the right to change my mind, but I would challenge this from a couple of directions.

First, Asmongold's life has nothing to do with Elon's integrity. We can shoot the messenger, but that doesn't automatically make the message inaccurate.

Second, and more importantly, it's not at all absurd to judge a persons integrity based upon their actions within ANY realm. A persons level of integrity typically shines through regardless. Apparently (I'm not 100% sure on this since it's not something I've dug into) Elon has intentionally misrepresented himself when it comes to his skill level at certain games.

From what I understand, he's stated/suggested/implied that he had achieved high levels when he actually had not. He had other's playing for him to get his account to those high levels, and then played with the account himself once others had gotten them to that level. This in itself may seem harmless, but it does absolutely make me question his integrity.

Again, it's not the fact that he had others playing on his account to level it up. It's not that he then played on it afterwards, even if he had no part in getting it to a high level, and even if his skill level was far below the level represented by the ranking of his account. The issue would be in saying something that's simply untrue, and/or intentionally misrepresenting reality. If he's capable of publicly and seemingly intentionally doing this, than that's concerning to say the least.

This doesn't invalidate any good/positive/helpful things he's ever done, but still does speak to his level of integrity. This is true for any of us - both our individual and collective actions inevitably reflect our level of integrity. To say that our actions matter sometimes and don't matter other times would just be untrue.

Good take on this !
Asmongold wasnt even the first to call him out but he got censored on Twitter because he had the biggest amount of followers.
Elons account/character in the game was top 20 in the world and he was bragging about it .Had even one world record that he was proud of . And then his character died when he was doing a livestream and he had to start from zero. Nerds who got payd to grind that thing to high level must have been facepalming hard when that happened. Probably took thousands of hours to get that character that good and Elon of course has so much time to spare to play a stupid game because he never sleeps. Too smart for that .

It´s like when you own a Formula 1 car and then hire best engineers and drivers you can find to race the fastest laps everywhere and then you say it was you who actually accomplished all this and you are one of the best in the world.
But then you go drive in front of audience and its rather obvious to onlookers that the person dont know how to drive and then he crashes the car ...
Some honesty at that point would be nice but Elon doubled down and instead started to silence people on twitter who talked about it ( freedom of speech !) .

People keep calling him genius but what has he actually invented ? He has an army of engineers ,scientists etc innovating and building things , not him .
And the money to do so doesnt come from his pocket but from government ,military , DARPA etc contracts ...
So to compare him with Tesla is nonsense. Tesla was inventor , Elon is a producer .
Edison was both inventor and producer .

If Elon bothers to put so much effort to make it seem like he is some genius gamer then maybe he is doing the same with Tesla,Neuralink,Space-X etc . He is producing for the rulers what they want while making it seem as it is not.
Some people mentioned he gives alot to charities . I dont know nothing about that , need to research that. Charities these days are largely for money laundering and tax relief...



Actually it's not like Formula One at all because you're talking about a f'in video game. Elon Musk has a list of accomplishments from here to the moon, and instead of choosing one and applauding it, like any reasonable person would, you've chosen to hyper focus on some silly video game controversy so you can stubbornly cling to your Elon Derangement Syndrome.

Your logic goes something like this: Elon Musk allegedly cheated in a video game ergo his revolutionary space program and electric cars and charities and western civilization saving purchase of Twitter and saving astronauts lives is all null and void.

Anyway, show me someone who hasn't cheated in a video game LOL. If we judged everyone by that standard we'd have to wipe the whole slate clean and start humanity from scratch.

This is the approach of the cynic. Elon can never do anything good.

Charities? Pah! He must be a money launderer!
Most powerful rockets in history? He didn't design em! Who cares?
Saving stranded astronauts? So what? He got paid!
His electric cars? Wake me up when he's using free energy!
Oh he wasn't invited to Davos for the WEF? Well it must be some kind of public theatre meant to deceive!
He invented a device to make handicapped people functional again? Don't care! He's gonna mind control the planet with them!
He wants to send men to Mars? So what? He's neglecting everyone here!

You are already committed to a position and cannot be moved off it, no matter what Elon does or doesn't do. It's a form of self brainwashing. If he saved your life you'd scorn him for not digging up your relatives and bringing them back to life too. And then you'd go on crying about the video game-gate scandal.

Musk is a self taught engineer, and is absolutely involved in the design of his technology. But mainly he's an industrial engineer. But even more than that he's a visionary. He understands the need to look into and beyond the stars as a means of inspiring mankind and making us an interplanetary species. His vision involves the long term survivability of the human race! But meanwhile he's saving the American government from going totally bankrupt, all while caring for something like 45 kids and running 5 or 6 of the most successful businesses on the planet, so maybe you could just cut him a little bit of slack, eh?

[Mike]

It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.
I'm generally an Elon proponent, while always maintaining the right to change my mind, but I would challenge this from a couple of directions.

First, Asmongold's life has nothing to do with Elon's integrity. We can shoot the messenger, but that doesn't automatically make the message inaccurate.

Second, and more importantly, it's not at all absurd to judge a persons integrity based upon their actions within ANY realm. A persons level of integrity typically shines through regardless. Apparently (I'm not 100% sure on this since it's not something I've dug into) Elon has intentionally misrepresented himself when it comes to his skill level at certain games.

From what I understand, he's stated/suggested/implied that he had achieved high levels when he actually had not. He had other's playing for him to get his account to those high levels, and then played with the account himself once others had gotten them to that level. This in itself may seem harmless, but it does absolutely make me question his integrity.

It's not the fact that he had others playing on his account to level it up. It's not that he then played on it afterwards, even if he had no part in getting it to a high level, and even if his skill level was far below the level represented by the ranking of his account. The issue would be in saying something that's simply untrue, and/or intentionally misrepresenting reality. If he's capable of publicly and seemingly intentionally doing this, than that's concerning to say the least.

This doesn't invalidate any good/positive/helpful things he's ever done, but still does speak to his level of integrity. This is true for any of us - both our individual and collective actions inevitably reflect our level of integrity. To say that our actions matter sometimes and don't matter other times would just be untrue.


I can sympathize with this position somewhat. When we're judging people, we're adding up all the clues and the micro clues that might reveal their character to us. Usually when something bad happens you can look back and view all the micro clues that were ignored leading up to the unpleasant event. So yeah, I get that.

Having said all that, I'm not concerned about the f#cking video game:) If it turns out he's cheating and lying in other domains as well, let me know and I might update my thinking a little. But even then, it would all have to supercede the immense good he's done for humanity. Am I really going to sit in judgement of a man that has done all these wonderful things because he's lied about something relatively small and meaningless...something I've done and you've done and everyone else has done countless times throughout our lives?

[Merkaba360]

Good points Mike.

Even if Elon is just a genius at organizing huge industries of people to innovate rapidly toward solving enormous problems, that is priceless. given the work ethic and size of china, elon is absolutely needed for competition.

Lets say in 10 years Elon has 10 major companies operating a $10 trillion dollar industry or more automating the world to take care of the basic needs and eliminate poverty.

Then some big exposure happens making him look very bad. Then what? We all boycott his products and buy chinese products ? lol Maybe he could step down and hand over the reigns to his elder kids.

But, as long as it wasn't something monstrous, I could care less about one sh*tty person if he is making continual major improvements for billions. If he is a front man for the cabal, they better hurry, cuz more and more are learning fast from the internet and every major event effecting different regions of the globe waking up more and more. California fires for example, im sure woke up more in southern california than another year.

Wasn't there plans to decommission the ISS ? If so, when is that? Are there plans for something new? Like a space rocket fuel station or something?

[jaybee]

Lets say in 10 years Elon has 10 major companies operating a $10 trillion dollar industry or more automating the world to take care of the basic needs and eliminate poverty.

Then some big exposure happens making him look very bad. Then what? We all boycott his products and buy chinese products ? lol Maybe he could step down and hand over the reigns to his elder kids.




Yes - - why, for heaven's sake, didn't those astronauts refuse to let Musk help them and say they would stay and wait a few more months for Boeing - because Orange Man Bad...and DOGE Man Bad... humph... :whistle:

;)

[Bill Ryan]

A brief comment, considering the thread has become a kind of second Musk is not the answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120353-Musk-is-not-the-answer) platform. :)

I wonder if Mike might have made a small strategic error when he titled this new thread. Maybe more accurate would have been: SpaceX Saves Stranded Astronauts.

After all, Musk is just the CEO and really only makes major strategic corporate decisions. It's his thousands of skilled engineers that actually make everything work so effectively and innovatively.

The real issue, pointed out earlier in the thread, was that (a) Boeing screwed up, and (b) Biden said No Rescue by SpaceX on his watch. SpaceX's response was exactly in line with their hundreds of other successful launches of Falcon 9 and other projects. They do this kind of thing literally every week. Musk himself is personally barely involved.

[arwen]

I gave up on this thread because it was getting pointless. There seems to be no way out of the Musk hatred by those who do. There is literally nothing Musk can do that will satisfy them. Haters gonna hate. Time too short to waste arguing.

However this 7 minute video I came across perfectly echoes Mike's and many others' view - posting this video for you Mike, so you know you are not alone. (Note - he repeats the same statement in the beginning twice, and then moves on to his points)

tkI7tZ5cCkg

[arwen]

PS - at the risk of becoming unpopular (which I am prepared to take), I have started a new thread for those who appreciate the Visionary Genius aspect of Elon Musk, so they can post without getting derailed. There are other threads where full time criticism of Elon Musk can go, which I point to in the OP of the new thread. (We had to do this with other controversial people such as Trump, Q and Kim Goguen, I think it is a good solution - people can express themselves as they want without getting silenced by disagreement)

The Elon Musk Appreciation thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129398-The-Elon-Musk-Appreciation-thread&p=1661185&viewfull=1#post1661185)

(Mods - if you disagree, feel free to delete as you wish).

[Mike]

A brief comment, considering the thread has become a kind of second Musk is not the answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120353-Musk-is-not-the-answer) platform. :)

I wonder if Mike might have made a small strategic error when he titled this new thread. Maybe more accurate would have been: SpaceX Saves Stranded Astronauts.

After all, Musk is just the CEO and really only makes major strategic corporate decisions. It's his thousands of skilled engineers that actually make everything work so effectively and innovatively.

The real issue, pointed out earlier in the thread, was that (a) Boeing screwed up, and (b) Biden said No Rescue by SpaceX on his watch. SpaceX's response was exactly in line with their hundreds of other successful launches of Falcon 9 and other projects. They do this kind of thing literally every week. Musk himself is personally barely involved.


I know very little (i.e. nothing lol) about engineering, and up until yesterday knew almost nothing about Elon's direct involvement with his tech. But I titled the thread the way I did anyway simply because the rescue would not have been possible without Elon. There are countless numbers of engineers in this world, but only one Elon. No doubt his engineers are brilliant and deserve huge credit. Thank God for them. I have no idea what they'd have been doing over the last year or so without Musk's SpaceX, but I know what they wouldn't have been doing - preparing spacecraft to save those astronauts.

As far as Musk's direct involvement, there are all kinds of rumors about that. But Musk himself claims he is very involved. Here is a direct Elon quote, for what it's worth: "A lot of people think I must spend a lot of time with media or on business-y things. But actually almost all my time, like 80 percent of it, is spent on engineering and design...developing next generation product. My time is almost entirely with the engineering team, working on improving the Falcon 9 and our Dragon spacecraft and developing the Mars Colonial structure."

[Mike]

I gave up on this thread because it was getting pointless. There seems to be no way out of the Musk hatred by those who do. There is literally nothing Musk can do that will satisfy them. Haters gonna hate. Time too short to waste arguing.

However this 7 minute video I came across perfectly echoes Mike's and many others' view - posting this video for you Mike, so you know you are not alone. (Note - he repeats the same statement in the beginning twice, and then moves on to his points)

tkI7tZ5cCkg


Thanks Arwen. I really like Victor Davis Hanson. I've seen the video and I'm pleased it's posted here in this thread so everyone else can watch as well.

[Mike]

Even if Elon is just a genius at organizing huge industries of people to innovate rapidly toward solving enormous problems, that is priceless. given the work ethic and size of china, elon is absolutely needed for competition.

I think that's his best talent, actually. As an industrial engineer.

[bobme]

as I see it so far, from my world of observance, Musk, and trump have no solid balls at all. Listen. Why do both of them do nothing, to stop the wars.

going on over in the middle east? Why do they send our money to make sure these murders keep going on? If they are so smart, and full of titanium balls. Why do they bow to nutiinyahos every command?

So, This is a very simple question to you all. do you want your money spent on killing people you have never met?

[rgray222]

as I see it so far, from my world of observance, Musk, and trump have no solid balls at all. Listen. Why do both of them do nothing, to stop the wars.

going on over in the middle east? Why do they send our money to make sure these murders keep going on? If they are so smart, and full of titanium balls. Why do they bow to nutiinyahos every command?

So, This is a very simple question to you all. do you want your money spent on killing people you have never met?

For the past four years under Biden, the word peace was never spoken. Biden not only encouraged Ukraine to stay at war with Russia he sent billions in unaccountable cash, thousands of weapons and just enough to keep Ukraine fighting but never enough to win the war. At the same time, he very publicly chastised Israel for going to war with Palestine then he turned around and sent untold amounts of money and weapons to Netanyahu to keep the war going. Biden was a warmonger and a globalist, there is no denying that fact.

Say what you like about Musk and Trump but I do not see any other Human in a leadership role on planet earth stepping forward to propose peace except for Trump. Not one leader from Europe or Asia wants to see this war end. Keep in mind the more wars around the globe the easier it is to justify a global government.

What is with all the balls references, consider using the term titanium scrotum. Now that seems more Trumpesque.

[bobme]

rgrey I have never in my life supported any president, or political format what so ever. If you are wise enough, you can look back on all my previous post, and see that is a fact.

I know Biden Was just a pile of ****. But so are trump & musk. Name the last president that was not.

[Mike]

rgrey I have never in my life supported any president, or political format what so ever. If you are wise enough, you can look back on all my previous post, and see that is a fact.

I know Biden Was just a pile of ****. But so are trump & musk. Name the last president that was not.


This made me laugh!:) I've never supported any of our presidents, and everyone is a pile of sh!t. I don't know if it's because it would look perfect on one of those novelty coffee mugs or if it's because you truly imagine this is some kind of noble take, but it just tickles me.

Maybe you missed it but about 5 minutes ago Trump took a bullet and defiantly shouted "Fight! Fight! Fight!" in response to his would be assassin. Is that not ballsy enough? What exactly would Trump have to do to earn bobme's approval? What would Musk have to do? I mean at minimum, what would they have to do to graduate from pile of sh!t status to maybe something like roadkill?

Have you ever risked your life so brazenly for something you believe in bobme? Maybe this is the part where you tell me you were a soldier in Vietnam or something, and I'll have to eat my words. Or maybe you're just holding forth in a strained wife beater while sipping a pint of cheap whiskey. I can't tell if you're Lieutenant Dan or Hank Hill. Maybe you can elaborate on that profound comment and help us out.

I really don't care if people don't like Musk and Trump! I'm a free speech absolutist, and I'm pleased when everyone can share their opinions. But being a rational and logical person, more than anything else I'd like to know why, and I'd like it to make sense. And that so very rarely happens.

[bobme]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions about me Mike. It is indeed your right to do so, I agree with free speech also.

So there we have one thing we agree on. Always a good start to get to know one another.

So about free speech, what of this young man who is being deported , by trump,for saying killing palistinians is wrong? Or protesting against it is wrong? Is it just a select few who have this right to do so?

I say ,and feel, all do. Even if I totally disagree with them. What are your thoughts on the man being deported for doing his free speech?

[Mike]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions about me Mike. It is indeed your right to do so, I agree with free speech also.

So there we have one thing we agree on. Always a good start to get to know one another.

So about free speech, what of this young man who is being deported , by trump,for saying killing palistinians is wrong? Or protesting against it is wrong? Is it just a select few who have this right to do so?

I say ,and feel, all do. Even if I totally disagree with them. What are your thoughts on the man being deported for doing his free speech?


It's a good question.

It's important to note that the man in question isn't a U.S. citizen. He's just a green card holder, so he does not enjoy the same rights as citizens do. And if we knew he was a Hamas agitator when he applied for the green card, we'd have never allowed him in the country in the first place.

But it's not just his political preferences and speech that have found him in hot water. He's also part of a campus group that have broken several laws. The group has occupied campus buildings, harassed Jewish students, vandalized, resisted arrest, and prevented scheduled classes from proceeding.

He has openly declared his hatred of the west, and is the source of chaos and destruction on the Columbia campus. I support his deportation 100%. It's a privilege to be a guest in this country, not a right. He clearly doesn't understand that.

[onawah]

A recent article from James Corbett which goes into great detail about the use of AI in the Trump/Musk Admin's new grand sweep via DOGE.
Algocracy: Government for the New World Order
by Corbett | Mar 24, 2025
https://corbettreport.com/algocracy/

(Shout out to gnostic9 for starting the new thread here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129421-Algocracy-Government-for-the-New-World-Order&p=1661810&viewfull=1#post1661810

Mike, if you just want to read about Musk's mentions in the article I've copied some (not all) of that from Corbett's article following
(Hyperlinks in the article not embedded here):
"And now shifting focus to Elon Musk, the Tesla CEO and head of DOGE, has made all sorts of headlines this week. The latest is his push to incorporate Artificial Intelligence for running federal departments. After firing tens of thousands of federal employees, DOGE now demands the remaining to explain their weekly accomplishments via email. Musk is using AI to process the email responses and determine who should remain employed. DOGE has also rolled out an AI Chatbot for federal workers that is being reportedly used for carrying out general tasks. According to reports, employees are using the DOGE chatbot for drafting emails, creating talking points and summarizing drafts. Meanwhile, the State Department is planning to use AI to scan social media posts of visa holders residing in the US to identify if they support terror groups like Hamas.


SOURCE: Musk Wants AI to Replace Fired Federal Employees, Launches DOGE Chatbot

Yeah, newsflash for anyone who didn’t catch it: the AI algorithmic overtaking of government agencies is already underway, thanks to co-President Elon “Hipster Soros” Musk. Well, anyway, we can follow the thread of this cookie crumb trail from a variety of stories.

First, coming at the very beginning of February: “Elon Musk Ally Tells Staff ‘AI-First’ Is the Future of Key Government Agency,” which notes that:

In a Monday morning meeting, Thomas Shedd, the recently appointed Technology Transformation Services director and Elon Musk ally, told General Services Administration workers that the agency’s new administrator is pursuing an “AI-first strategy”[.]

Which is followed up a few days later by this: “Elon Musk’s DOGE is feeding sensitive federal data into AI to target cuts“:

Representatives from Elon Musk’s U.S. DOGE Service have fed sensitive data from across the Education Department into artificial intelligence software to probe the agency’s programs and spending[.] [. . .] The DOGE team is using AI software accessed through Microsoft’s cloud computing service Azure to pore over every dollar of money the department disperses, from contracts to grants to work trip expenses, one of the people said.

How else are you going to look over all this data?

Followed up shortly [by this]: “DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers who were told to justify their jobs via email,” noting:

Responses to the Elon Musk-directed email to government employees about what work they had accomplished in the last week are expected to be fed into an artificial intelligence system to determine whether those jobs are necessary, according to three sources with knowledge of the system.

The information will go into an LLM (Large Language Model), an advanced AI system that looks at huge amounts of text data to understand, generate and process human language, the sources said. The AI system will determine whether someone’s work is mission-critical or not.

Followed up by [this]: “DOGE’s Plans to Replace Humans With AI Are Already Under Way: The civil service is being turned over to machines,” which notes that:

The Trump administration is testing a new chatbot with 1,500 federal employees at the General Services Administration and may release it to the entire agency as soon as this Friday[.] [. . .]

The bot, which GSA leadership is framing as a productivity booster for federal workers, is part of a broader playbook from DOGE and its allies. Speaking about GSA’s broader plans, Thomas Shedd, a former Tesla engineer who was recently installed as the director of the Technology Transformation Services, TTS, GSA’s IT division, said at an all-hands meeting last month that the agency is pushing for an “AI-first strategy.” In the meeting, a recording of which I obtained, Shedd said that “as we decrease the overall size of the federal government, as you all know, there’s still a ton of programs that need to exist, which is a huge opportunity for technology and automation to come in full force.” He suggested that “coding agents” could be provided across the government—a reference to AI programs that can write and possibly deploy code in place of a human. Moreover, Shedd said AI could “run analysis on contracts,” and software could be used to “automate” GSA’s “finance functions.”

What the hell is going on here? How is the entire government being taken over and replaced by these AI-obsessed technocrat oligarchs?

Well, that’s a question that, hey, finally, the left side of the phoney left-right bird of prey—wouldn’t you know it, broken clock right twice a decade—suddenly are interested in such questions.

So now we have [this]: “Dems ask federal agencies for reassurance DOGE isn’t feeding data into AI willy-nilly” . . . because they don’t even know what’s happening:

House Democrats have sent letters to 24 federal agencies asking for assurances that Elon Musk’s DOGE team is not feeding sensitive government data into “unapproved and unaccountable” AI systems[.] [. . .]

The lawmakers say it would be inappropriate for the personal information of Americans [Social Security numbers, bank and transaction data, etc.] to be sifted through by such systems.

[House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform ranking member Gerald E.] Connolly also expressed concern over reported claims DOGE has proposed cuts at many agencies based on the advice of unvetted AI systems[.] [. . .]

The letter also cited independent analyst Cyberintelligence Brief, which claimed supply chain management platform Inventry.ai is ingesting government data. The analyst claims “multiple US government IP addresses point to its REST API.”

And if you want, you can follow it up by taking a look at one of those letters that are being sent. For example, this one to “The Honorable Howard Lutnick.” I think “honorable” is a . . . well, may not be the right word to use there. Anyway, you can go and read through what type of information the other half of the supposed governing system [that] doesn’t even know what that half is doing—or at least what Elon Musk is directing.

But it is, of course, not just Elon Musk. He is not the only billionaire tech oligarch with his snoot in this particular pie, lusting to get after not only the data of every single American and everyone else that is snarfed up by the US government, but, more importantly, to run AI coding agents on all of that data to get all of the information, tie things together.

You know, exactly, exactly what the deep state was lusting after with its scuttled program back in 2002, 2003: the Total Information Awareness Office. Remember that—with the all-seeing eye of Horus radiating the entire earth?

Remember how they had to back off on that: “Okay, guys, we don’t mean that!”

And who took over that program? And who picked up that slack? Oh, suddenly, as soon as [snaps fingers] the TIA went away, Palantir was suddenly getting CIA contracts. And Peter Thiel and Alex Karp were on the scene to supply the exact services that Poindexter and the others at DARPA were lusting after in that particular program.

Wow, what a co-inky-dink. You can find out all about it in my three-part series [Part 1, Part 2, Part 3] on Peter Thiel and, of course, my previous editorial on Palantir itself.

But let’s keep moving on. As I say, these are not the only people involved. Just in case you might be thinking, “Wow, maybe Trump has no idea any of this is going on . . .” No! He’s quite well aware—or at least whatever person or persons are puppeteering him are quite well aware.

[From the White House]: “Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump takes action to enhance America’s AI Leadership.”

“America First,” by which I mean “AI First,” by which I mean “BlackRock First.” Anyway, and if you read through, of course, all of these terrible Biden Executive Orders on AI, we’re all weak and stuff. We’re going to have nice, strong AI for America’s new AI leadership.

And of course:

President Trump also took executive action in 2020 to establish the first-ever guidance for federal agency adoption of AI to more effectively deliver services to the American people and foster public trust in this critical technology.

You better trust it, guys.

And, oh yeah: What happened on the second day of the new Trump administration? The second day. Oh, that’s right. The big announcement of the $500 billion AI investment in Project Stargate, where Trump appeared alongside his best buddies, Masayoshi Son and Sam “Stare into the Orb” Altman and Larry “CIA Deep State Oracle” Ellison to announce this wonderful breakthrough AI technology that’s going to make America First and Great Again and all of that jazz.

And what kinds of things are they specifically working on with this AI technology again?

LARRY ELLISON: One of the most exciting things we’re working on, again, using the tools that Sam and Masa are providing, is a cancer vaccine. It’s very interesting. It turns out—I’ll be quick—all of our cancers, cancer tumors, little fragments of those tumors, float around in your blood. So you can do early cancer detection. You can do early cancer detection with a blood test.

And using AI to look at the blood test, you can find the cancers that are actually seriously threatening the person. So we can, again, cancer diagnosis using AI has the promise of just being a simple blood test. Then, beyond that, once we gene sequence that cancer tumor, you can then vaccinate the person, design a vaccine for every individual person to vaccinate them against that cancer. And you can make that vaccine, that mRNA vaccine, you can make that robotically—again, using AI—in about 48 hours. So imagine early cancer detection, the development of a cancer vaccine for your particular cancer aimed at you—and have that vaccine available in 48 hours. This is the promise of AI and the promise of the future.

SOURCE: LIVE: President Trump announces $500 billion investment in AI Infrastructure project called Stargate "

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And so on....keep reading the report if you want to know more about Trump's, Gates', Musk's, Thiel's and all the other oligarch's plans for us all.... :sad:


I really don't care if people don't like Musk and Trump! I'm a free speech absolutist, and I'm pleased when everyone can share their opinions. But being a rational and logical person, more than anything else I'd like to know why, and I'd like it to make sense. And that so very rarely happens.

[Jaak]

Haha thanks Onawah , it seemed obvious since beginning but you confirmed it.


Sounds more like a PR stunt . It´s not like Musk did it for free . Average cost to launch for Space-X is around 20 million and they charge 60-70 million or more for it. So they got payd nicely and it made them look good.
Im not an Musk hater but i certainly dont trust the guy . Seems more like a frontman for certain powerful gang that want to turn this world into technocracy nightmare which would be easily ruled and controlled by them .
Turning earth into a giant microwave oven with his starlink , putting wires into humans brains (Neuralink) , electric cars that can be remotely controlled or turned off ....
Without DARPA and US military he would not be where he is .

With DOGE they seem to be culling the herd , getting rid of deadweight and useless idiots who have done the damage/their jobs and are no longer needed. A.I can replace them ....
Plenty of sketchy thing about Musk that makes him look very suspicious.
“Whenever the people need a hero, we shall supply him." -33 degree Mason, Albert Pike
For many Trump and Musk seem to be the heroes who are going to save the world while doing the opposite...

[onawah]

Not to mention that electric cars have to be charged by electricity, which still means using inefficient, non-sustainable, dangerous sources like coal mines, wind turbines, etc. while the truly safe and sustainable tech is suppressed by the oligarchy.


Turning earth into a giant microwave oven with his starlink , putting wires into humans brains (Neuralink) , electric cars that can be remotely controlled or turned off ....

[Mike]

Not to mention that electric cars have to be charged by electricity, which still means using inefficient, non-sustainable, dangerous sources like coal mines, wind turbines, etc. while the truly safe and sustainable tech is suppressed by the oligarchy.


Turning earth into a giant microwave oven with his starlink , putting wires into humans brains (Neuralink) , electric cars that can be remotely controlled or turned off ....


Nat his charging stations are powered almost exclusively from the power grid, just like everything else!:)

And almost all cars can be remotely controlled or turned off, electric or gas powered. All modern cars run on electric computers.

[onawah]

Right, and that's why electric cars are not a wonderful invention.
Wonderful cars are those run on water or hydrogen or magnets, truly inventive, safe and sustainable.
Lithium batteries which are used in electric cars are a disaster, as, on the whole, is lithium mining.



Not to mention that electric cars have to be charged by electricity, which still means using inefficient, non-sustainable, dangerous sources like coal mines, wind turbines, etc. while the truly safe and sustainable tech is suppressed by the oligarchy.


Turning earth into a giant microwave oven with his starlink , putting wires into humans brains (Neuralink) , electric cars that can be remotely controlled or turned off ....


Nat his charging stations are powered almost exclusively from the power grid, just like everything else!:)

And almost all cars can be remotely controlled or turned off, electric or gas powered. All modern cars run on electric computers.

[jaybee]

A recent article from James Corbett which goes into great detail about the use of AI in the Trump/Musk Admin's new grand sweep via DOGE.

{post snipped see #66 above}


So now we have [this]: “Dems ask federal agencies for reassurance DOGE isn’t feeding data into AI willy-nilly” . . . because they don’t even know what’s happening:

House Democrats have sent letters to 24 federal agencies asking for assurances that Elon Musk’s DOGE team is not feeding sensitive government data into “unapproved and unaccountable” AI systems[.] [. . .]

The lawmakers say it would be inappropriate for the personal information of Americans [Social Security numbers, bank and transaction data, etc.] to be sifted through by such systems.



I'm sure the Democrats and the 'One World Government' Globalists staging a take over of America and the World, don't want anyone else sifting through AI data - they've probably had that all to themselves for a while now,... and the info obtained was (it seems) used to help steal elections and illegally raise vast amounts of money to fund protesters, internet influencers and agendas ....

I take the point that there is a privacy issue... but.... that area has been well and truly breached already -

that's how I see it, anyway....

[Mike]

Right, and that's why electric cars are not a wonderful invention.
Wonderful cars are those run on water or hydrogen or magnets, truly inventive, safe and sustainable.
Lithium batteries which are used in electric cars are a disaster, as, on the whole, is lithium mining.



Not to mention that electric cars have to be charged by electricity, which still means using inefficient, non-sustainable, dangerous sources like coal mines, wind turbines, etc. while the truly safe and sustainable tech is suppressed by the oligarchy.


Turning earth into a giant microwave oven with his starlink , putting wires into humans brains (Neuralink) , electric cars that can be remotely controlled or turned off ....


Nat his charging stations are powered almost exclusively from the power grid, just like everything else!:)

And almost all cars can be remotely controlled or turned off, electric or gas powered. All modern cars run on electric computers.


Okay but what happened to your coal and wind turbine argument?;) You left that behind pretty quick.

As Musk always points out, lithium is extremely plentiful. It's everywhere, including in sea water. Therefore it's quite sustainable, contrary to common perception.

Anyway, anything this innovative requires an evolution. Anytime someone is attempting something remarkable, the appropriate attitude should be one of cautious support, not preemptive cynicism. Musk is going to stumble and fall numerous times in all his endeavors, and we applaud him anyway because he's brave and ambitious enough to try, and because we're pro human spirit, and we understand how fragile innovation and forward motion can be at times.

Let's see where he goes with all this. I know he's also exploring solid state and sodium ion batteries as well.

[onawah]

Lithium batteries are extremely dangerous, they explode and start fires that are very difficult to put out.
Mining does a lot of harm to the environment.
Your arguments all are based on the premise that if someone does enough good deeds, it's OK not to hold them accountable for their bad and/or doubtful deeds.
It's obvious to those who have done enough credible research that Musk is not solely a dogooder.
I don't think you really want to do an adequate amount of research, which, in any case, takes time that you probably also don't have.
Or perhaps you are one who, as Catherine Austin Fitts has pointed out, prefers to remain in denial rather than face the disappointing truth.
I'm not really interested in arguing, Mike, and so I'm over and out on this thread.



Right, and that's why electric cars are not a wonderful invention.
Wonderful cars are those run on water or hydrogen or magnets, truly inventive, safe and sustainable.
Lithium batteries which are used in electric cars are a disaster, as, on the whole, is lithium mining.



Not to mention that electric cars have to be charged by electricity, which still means using inefficient, non-sustainable, dangerous sources like coal mines, wind turbines, etc. while the truly safe and sustainable tech is suppressed by the oligarchy.


Turning earth into a giant microwave oven with his starlink , putting wires into humans brains (Neuralink) , electric cars that can be remotely controlled or turned off ....


Nat his charging stations are powered almost exclusively from the power grid, just like everything else!:)

And almost all cars can be remotely controlled or turned off, electric or gas powered. All modern cars run on electric computers.


Okay but what happened to your coal and wind turbine argument?;) You left that behind pretty quick.

As Musk always points out, lithium is extremely plentiful. It's everywhere, including in sea water. Therefore it's quite sustainable, contrary to common perception.

Anyway, anything this innovative requires an evolution. Anytime someone is attempting something remarkable, the appropriate attitude should be one of cautious support, not preemptive cynicism. Musk is going to stumble and fall numerous times in all his endeavors, and we applaud him anyway because he's brave and ambitious enough to try, and because we're pro human spirit, and we understand how fragile innovation and forward motion can be at times.

Let's see where he goes with all this. I know he's also exploring solid state and sodium ion batteries as well.

[Mike]

Hold him accountable all you like, but maybe offer some praise now and again. Nat your arguments are all based on the premise that if someone doesn't do everything according to some impossible standard (i.e.water powered cars) then we should all assume the worst about everything they do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen you once say anything remotely positive about Musk.

I would challenge you to say 3 positive things about Elon Musk!:) I don't think you can do it. I think you've decided ahead of time that Musk is a dubious man, worthy of nothing but suspicion. He could move off lithium batteries tomorrow and use solid state or sodium ion, and still you'd offer some kind of criticism. You won't be happy until he's made all your net zero utopian dreams come true. And until he does, he'll remain this sort of comic book villain.

He's not a perfect man. You could poke some holes in his family life if you were determined to criticize him. I'd listen to that. It's bizarre to me that he has all these kids by all these different women, for instance. It was probably inappropriate to start a PR war with his trans "daughter". That was poor judgement. You could question the wisdom of him trotting his young son around in front of the media, given then level of danger Musk invites. You could cite his social awkwardness, or his ego perhaps.

There are all kinds of attack vectors available. And some are pretty reasonable. But the ones Musk haters offer are mostly speculative i.e. Starlink will hijack our minds or microwave the earth, lithium mining will ruin the environment, Musk wants to replace workers with A.I. etc. There are plenty of reasons to be vigilant and concerned about these technologies and those who manufacture them, but my judgement remains a day to day brand, one that praises or criticizes according to word and deed, not speculation.