The Elon Musk Appreciation thread

[arwen]

I am starting this thread for those who appreciate Elon Musk, and see him as a Visionary for the future, to post their news, updates and appreciation of all things Elon Musk here.

As Bill pointed out in this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129383-Elon-Musk-Saves-Stranded-Astronauts&p=1660968&viewfull=1#post1660968), there are already 4 others threads about Elon. The only one that is favorable (ish) is Elon Musk, The Masterful Troll (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122119-Elon-Musk-The-Masterful-Troll&highlight=musk) which to me is too limited to cover the many, many aspects of his contributions.

Caveat - I too, am cautious of the Transhuman agenda, I too have delved into the concerns around who he is associated with and what his agenda may end up being, but for now, the genius visionary aspect is something I and many others cannot discount. It is SO rare these days to have a Visionary on this planet.

So this thread is for those who admire his vision, success and contributions, and those who do not like him have plenty of other threads to post in.

I will start with this recent 31 minute interview which I found very interesting and insightful (This is Part 1, and Part 2 follows on from this one if interested):


In a Verdict Exclusive from The White House, Elon Musk joins Senator Ted Cruz and Ben Ferguson for a discussion about D.O.G.E. and the first 50 days of the Trump Administration. They will address issues related to waste and fraud being addressed by D.O.G.E., the challenges Musk faces in this new role, and his views on the future of space travel

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[ExomatrixTV]

This legit forum thread would not be complete without mentioning another Project Avalon Forum Thread:


DOGE: Who Are They and What Are They Up To? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124698-DOGE-Who-Are-They-and-What-Are-They-Up-To)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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Liberals CHEER For Terror Attacks Against Tesla, These People Are NUTS

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[jaybee]

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I think this was a great Elon moment - and shows his sense of humour -

Elon Musk carries sink into Twitter HQ: ‘Let that sink in’ (27 seconds)

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27 Oct 2022
Billionaire Elon Musk posted a video of himself walking into Twitter headquarters carrying a sink ahead of a court-imposed deadline to finalize his purchase of the social media company.

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another great Elon moment .... (IMO)..... :chuckle:

Musk tells boycotting advertisers to ‘go f--- yourself’ (40 seconds)


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The interviewer is completely thrown by Elon's priceless response -

[Denise/Dizi]

I've met a gentlemen that worked for Elon. And what struck me was that he complained about expectations, having to put his head down and get stuff done. And it reminds me of a time when American workers did that, and many still do. There was a time when all Americans felt a sense of duty, obligation and pride in working hard for the whole, wanting better things for their neighbors and families, and were willing to sacrifice some freedom of time to do so. And as such, we experienced a very "Free and strong nation" in comparison to all others...

We have come to a time where the younger generation feels entitled to enjoy the luxuries that have been developed as a result of the hard work of their parents, grandparents, friends and neighbors, without having the fortitude and desire to continue to continue the trend of working hard for the whole.. They no longer understand freedom is never "Free"... And whatever you do, don't hurt their feelings!

I believe in America, the foundation of "Come here, work hard, and have a descent life" has been replaced with Come here, or even be born here, and get all of the benefits of your neighbors efforts for free... We have evolved into a somewhat parasitic society, where everywhere you turn, you have someone handing out a "Giving plate" for money, money above and beyond what their services afford you...

We have agencies built for the sole purpose of distributing the funds of very strapped individuals, working hard to make a living, to pass it out in massive amounts to those who refuse to work... Come here illegally, or worse, expect us to support their "Special needs"... The new social media platforms are rarely used for things that will educate the masses in any meaningful way, outside of whistleblowers and those who are teaching people useful life lessons.

Instead we get psychopaths promoting weakness as the norm, and placing blame for a lack of self accountability on anyone who are self accountable... Parading it on these sites as if this is "normal" behavior... Many podcasts are nothing more than the copying of the work of others, calling it "Fair use" and asking their subscribers for donations, while they do nothing but parasitically critique those works... Some very well deserved criticisms in some cases, but the structure is parasitic overall...

We have homeless people in America, many hard workiing individuals without healthcare... Those who paid into the system, receiving less in their retirement, than those entering the country illegally, these things NEED to be addressed.

Elon Musk is returning the American way, along with Trump and the rest of those working hard to bring America back to what it once was... A strong, self sufficient nation. One where hard work and rewards come hand in hand. Reminding people WHY everyone wanted to be American. And in that effort are making a strong attempt to keep America FREE... As we are quickly turning into a nation that will be a dictatorship otherwise. And once THAT happens, these people pushing for such things would be in for a very rude awakening!

Truth be told, "feelings" on all of the issues don't matter, if there aren't people working those jobs that make things really happen... Children these days are being taught to dump their responsibility for themselves at the door, and blame everyone else for whatever upsets them.. They NEED to be taught that they have an obligation, as an American, to be a part of keeping America the strong nation it should still be... Not individuals who complain it isn't enough. They should all be shiped to a third world country for a year, or China, so they can really appreciate what America truly is... And how fortunate they truly are to be here.

The young man that I met, back to topic, was one of those individuals who spent a little bit of time working hard... Actually showing up... learning what it meant to be part of the backbone of the REAL structure that makes America a strong nation, and he crumbled under the weight and left ... As many of our youth do these days, moving on to find some niche' job where he can work from home, doing nothing but possibly podcasts for populatary clicks and cash... Stopping at coffee shop after coffee shop, as he drives around in his Tesla, living like an upper echelon "trust fund" kid. Some day that little padded savings account from working for Elon will run out, and I can't imagine this kid doing anything but complaining when he realizes he will have to get a "Real Job" again, if he can't strike it rich online..

He said he stayed long enough to be able to buy a Tesla for himself... He wasn't motivated to be a part of the whole structure of a strong America, he just wanted the car... Self serving for "Stuff"... Once he had the shiny bauble, why continue to work so hard? Work is hard you know? And boy he sure complained about having to show up everyday and be accountable... I almost threw up in my mouth, as I was at the family shop whiloe he was spewing all of this "Hard life programming"... , when he was telling me he didn't like that "kind of job..".. Ummm that's why it is called a "Job" son... Welcome to America buddy, where EVERY job should require that you show up and actually produce something for the money you are being paid.


Now we have children whose lives are filled with nothing more than seeking out free schooling, free higher education, all requiring nothing but a "good grade" based upon "parroting skills", color of your skin, etc... and when they get out of these fancy schools with fancy letters behind their names, never having ever worked or PAID for a day of their lives, these are the individuals ending up getting jobs in the government.. Think about that. They believe in parasiting the system, because that is how they got their high paying jobs. (For the most part). I feel everyone should be in a position based upon their ability to do the job, nothing else...

Most do what they know so they go on to cater to such things, to the point where the system they're parasiting collapses. In nature, parasites kill off their hosts quite often... and that's where we are...

So THANK YOU ELON... for making your employees work... For making sure the government is returned to an accountable state, for returning the nation to a place where we all contribute to the whole.. I hope that the insurance you carry, replaces what these immature individuals are doing to you, merely because you are doing what is necessary for America to be returned to the status of a strong nation... These individuals count on that strong nation to allow them to behave as they do... Not even realizing they're fighting the same system that has allowed their freedom of erratic behaviors to begin with...

Those that promoted such things had enough money that their decisions didn't affect their families directly, so who cared right? That is why dividing the nation is so necessary for these individuals... Promoting a sense of "Me Me Me"..

They are just too incompetent to understand it. Or too lazy to want to be held accountable to such a strong way of being. The things you are doing, are the same things most Americans are held accountable to doing. And I approve of what is being done right now.

[ExomatrixTV]

Democrats Targeting Other Democrats’ Teslas Is Tanking Workers Pension Funds!:

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[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/catturd2/status/1904223214949003543

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Don’t be a psycho…

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1904248333956419741

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Collin Rugg
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JUST IN: The FBI has launched a task force to track down and arrest the terrorists involved in the Tesla attacks, according to the New York Post.

The FBI will be deploying personnel from the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division to carry out the operation.

"Director Patel has been unequivocally clear: The FBI will be relentless in its mission to protect the American people," an FBI rep said to The New York Post.

"Acts of violence, vandalism, and domestic terrorism — like the recent Tesla attacks — will be pursued with the full force of the law."

"The agency’s newly formed 10-person task force will deploy ATF personnel... and personnel from the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division, including its Domestic Terrorism Operations Section and Weapons of Mass Destruction," the Post reported.

The FBI is currently working on 48 reports of Tesla-related incidents.

[ExomatrixTV]

The Emotional Moment When Elon Musk Almost Broke...:

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Hope he succeeds going after those who orchestrate systemic lies that led to what is going on AND that people within the left realize they are NOT what they preach to be.

[ExomatrixTV]

Anti-Tesla RET@RDs Getting More Unhinged Over Weekend!:

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Interesting how they care so much for the environment when burning cars ... TOTAL HYPOCRITES!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Musk and William Shatner, one of my childhood heroes, have a fun little exchange on X (sending the lunatic fringe into a tailspin).

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[ExomatrixTV]

Elon Musk Just Exposed The Biggest Scam In American History !:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Fox Producers RUSH to End Segment After Elon Musk Demolishes Jessica Tarlov DOGE Narrative LIVE:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Musk hints ‘strangely wealthy’ members of Congress are next DOGE target:

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Autopilot co-founder Chris Josephs joins 'Fox & Friends' to discuss Elon Musk and DOGE targeting wealthy members of Congress.

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[ExomatrixTV]

Protesters Harass Elon Musk, His Response Is Perfect:

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Dave Rubin of "The Rubin Report" shares a DM clip of Elon Musk’s perfect handling of a protestor during his speech in Wisconsin.

[ExomatrixTV]

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[ExomatrixTV]

Elon Musk GOES OFF On Jessica Tarlov In Heated Fox News Interview:

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In this video, Elon Musk takes on Jessica Tarlov during a heated Fox News interview, shutting down her claims about DOGE and Tesla. Watch as Musk exposes the biased media and clarifies key facts about government contracts and polling data. You won’t want to miss this intense exchange between Elon Musk and Jessica Tarlov!

[ExomatrixTV]

Elon Musk Just Exposed this Reporter's Shocking Racism Live on Stage

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When Elon Musk flips the game on this reporter, in front of hundreds of people, she does not know what to do. He exposes the incredibly biased, political game she is playing. These people agree with racism as long as it goes in the direction they prefer. Never let them pretend otherwise.


“Is racist policy X okay?”
“Of course not!”
“Is racist policy Y okay?”
“Gosh, it’s not really my business.”

Why is equality such a difficult concept?

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Irminsül]

Sorry... but I don't see anything to admire in a satanic, pedophile psychopath from the "elite"

[Mike]

Sorry... but I don't see anything to admire in a satanic, pedophile psychopath from the "elite"

What evidence do you have for any of that?

[Irminsül]

Sorry... but I don't see anything to admire in a satanic, pedophile psychopath from the "elite"

What evidence do you have for any of that?

It's more than clear that all the people who are part of the "elite" got there by doing unspeakable things. Among some clues, you can see clothing with Illuminati or even outright satanic symbolism worn by this man. That said, I apologize to the person who made the thread — the thread is specifically meant to highlight the positive side of this individual. I believe ExomatrixTV made a separate post to show this person's dark side. Farewell, take care!

[Mike]

Sorry... but I don't see anything to admire in a satanic, pedophile psychopath from the "elite"

What evidence do you have for any of that?

It's more than clear that all the people who are part of the "elite" got there by doing unspeakable things. Among some clues, you can see clothing with Illuminati or even outright satanic symbolism worn by this man. That said, I apologize to the person who made the thread — the thread is specifically meant to highlight the positive side of this individual. I believe ExomatrixTV made a separate post to show this person's dark side. Farewell, take care!


I'm sorry but you don't get to make such a dramatic claim like that and walk away.

It's not clear at all to me that Elon Musk did "unspeakable things". What unspeakable things did he do? Please be specific.

What illuminatti symbols are you talking about? Show pictures please.

Please present evidence that he's a pedophile.

Please present evidence that he's a satanist.

[Isserley]

(Since you asked) I'll step in if you don't mind and provide some worrying details from his life and close circle (immediate family).



What illuminatti symbols are you talking about? Show pictures please.

I honestly don't know what to think of the whole "black eye club" thing, but I'll fully admit it's weird. I've never once had a black eye as an adult. Point being, outside of mma or whatever, black eyes are really uncommon. Yet everytime the black eye club gets brought up in the elite circles, they act like it’s a totally normal everyday thing.

Musk on his final day of DOGE

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Please present evidence that he's a pedophile.

Not him exactly, but his dad for sure

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Please present evidence that he's a satanist.

Elon in "inverted priest" outfit on Met gala or something like that with Grimes.

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Elon's satanic mom & girlfriend.

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Now you can continue to adore him in this thread :facepalm:

[Mike]

I will continue to adore him! LOL.

Was all that supposed to be like some profound mic drop moment?:)

You called Musk a pedophile, remember? And then you offered up his dad as evidence? Yeah, his dad married what I guess you'd call an ex-stepdaughter, many years after he divorced the mother. She was 25 when it all happened. Not a kid or anything. Still weird? Hell yeah! But it's got nothing to do with your claim that Elon is a pedophile. Nothing.

His ex girlfriend, Grimes, looks like a vampire, I'll give you that. Never liked her. She is a colossal idiot. Musk clearly tired of her as well; they're no longer together. His more recent crop of baby mamas are far more on the normal side. Look them up.

The imagery Grimes uses is bizarre and disturbing. But having listened to her speak, she strikes me as an overgrown "Hot Topic" chick with a few Wicca books lying around the house maybe.. I don't take her seriously as any kind of dedicated satanist. I think she wears that garb as an affectation. I think Musk, being an eccentric himself, was drawn to her eccentricity.

The mom is weird, yes. I mean, the whole family is weird! They look like they're straight out of a Wes Anderson movie, or The Adams Family. I don't know what to make of them. But they look far more like a parody of an evil family than an actual evil family. There is some imagery here that's illuminatti-like, no doubt. But when I see Musk wearing a costume like that (at a Halloween party, mind you) and flexing like a buffoon, I see irony, not evil.

But to be fair, you've begun to make a case for some kind of satanic link perhaps; I'll give you that. But there isn't a shred of evidence that Elon is a pedophile or that he's done any sort of "unspeakable things". That's all wild conjecture on your part.

[rgray222]

Sorry... but I don't see anything to admire in a satanic, pedophile psychopath from the "elite"

What evidence do you have for any of that?

It's more than clear that all the people who are part of the "elite" got there by doing unspeakable things. Among some clues, you can see clothing with Illuminati or even outright satanic symbolism worn by this man. That said, I apologize to the person who made the thread — the thread is specifically meant to highlight the positive side of this individual. I believe ExomatrixTV made a separate post to show this person's dark side. Farewell, take care!

Here is mt 2 cents worth on this topic.

Irminsül, I have admired several of the threads that you have started and a few of the comments you have made. Your threads appear to be well thought out and fairly detailed. It doesn't necessarily mean I agree with everything you write, but I admire the effort and the thoughtfulness. So your last two posts about Musk seem a bit out of character.

I get that a lot of people hate Musk, and I can certainly understand why you and many people in Argentina "might" hate him, given the fact that he and President Milei are kindred spirits when it comes to cutting government. I know that before Milei became president, he would often brandish a chainsaw at campaign rallies as a symbol of his drive to cut the size of government. I know that over the last year that Musk has promoted Milei's speeches and held him out as an example of how to cut government spending. So I might not agree with your thoughts on Musk, but I get your hatred, but you really should make an effort to put some evidence on the table before you label Musk a satanic, pedophile psychopath from the "elite."

Truly great individuals who possess just the right combination of intelligence, courage, and creativity come along so infrequently that we should encourage and applaud their growth. Sadly, a rather sizeable segment of the population feels convinced that their destruction is necessary.

I admire Musk quite a bit, and when I think about how he will be viewed in 100 years, 500 years or more, it is simply breathtaking. Every effort he has made in his adult life has been for the betterment of humanity, a trait so remarkedly rare that it will most likely not be seen again in your lifetime. This does not mean that Musk is a saintlike figure (who is); he certainly is a flawed messenger, but what he has already accomplished and will in the future is nothing short of staggering.

[Denise/Dizi]

Sadly, while finding all of the corruption and fraud, no one seems to be being held accountable for their treasonous thefts... What is the point if these individuals are not arrested and charged with their crimes? Sorry that you suffered so much loss and retribution Elon, for what you embarked on, only to watch these criminals walk away...

[Isserley]

You called Musk a pedophile, remember? And then you offered up his dad as evidence?

No, no that was the other guy - post above mine.. I just provided some photos since you've asked.
Elon Musk has a very strange vibe as far as I'm concerned, but I can't categorically claim he's a Satanist or a pedophile (does anyone have real proof that Bill Gates is illuminati-satanist-pedofile?), but details like this definitely don't help him.
On the other hand, maybe you're right and it's just a matter of weird sense of humor, bizarre parents and very bad taste in women. Time will tell.

[Irminsül]

Sorry... but I don't see anything to admire in a satanic, pedophile psychopath from the "elite"

What evidence do you have for any of that?

It's more than clear that all the people who are part of the "elite" got there by doing unspeakable things. Among some clues, you can see clothing with Illuminati or even outright satanic symbolism worn by this man. That said, I apologize to the person who made the thread — the thread is specifically meant to highlight the positive side of this individual. I believe ExomatrixTV made a separate post to show this person's dark side. Farewell, take care!

Here is mt 2 cents worth on this topic.

Irminsül, I have admired several of the threads that you have started and a few of the comments you have made. Your threads appear to be well thought out and fairly detailed. It doesn't necessarily mean I agree with everything you write, but I admire the effort and the thoughtfulness. So your last two posts about Musk seem a bit out of character.

I get that a lot of people hate Musk, and I can certainly understand why you and many people in Argentina "might" hate him, given the fact that he and President Milei are kindred spirits when it comes to cutting government. I know that before Milei became president, he would often brandish a chainsaw at campaign rallies as a symbol of his drive to cut the size of government. I know that over the last year that Musk has promoted Milei's speeches and held him out as an example of how to cut government spending. So I might not agree with your thoughts on Musk, but I get your hatred, but you really should make an effort to put some evidence on the table before you label Musk a satanic, pedophile psychopath from the "elite."

Truly great individuals who possess just the right combination of intelligence, courage, and creativity come along so infrequently that we should encourage and applaud their growth. Sadly, a rather sizeable segment of the population feels convinced that their destruction is necessary.

I admire Musk quite a bit, and when I think about how he will be viewed in 100 years, 500 years or more, it is simply breathtaking. Every effort he has made in his adult life has been for the betterment of humanity, a trait so remarkedly rare that it will most likely not be seen again in your lifetime. This does not mean that Musk is a saintlike figure (who is); he certainly is a flawed messenger, but what he has already accomplished and will in the future is nothing short of staggering.

Hi rgray222! Thank you for your words. I actually realized that it was wrong to post something negative about Musk in the first place, because this thread is meant to highlight his positive qualities. I later understood that it wasn’t the right place for that. But I noticed that some people who commented afterwards also shared negative opinions about him. So I guess there’s no problem discussing the topic here…

His transhumanist agenda seems to me like a clear sign that he’s working for the wrong side. These kinds of people—these major public figures—always operate in this way. It’s like defending Bill Gates, who, if you watch the Netflix documentaries about him, is portrayed as an exemplary human being, a genius, and a philanthropist. But in reality, that’s just a façade for his true interests. In India and Africa, he carried out vaccine experiments on people, leaving hundreds with motor issues and other problems.

Another example would be thinking that Pope Francis was a great person. And that "great person" said that getting the COVID vaccine was an act of love! (That’s just one example among dozens). So I believe that people who are at the top of the pyramid are very rarely good human beings.

Once again, I point to the fact that Elon is pushing the transhumanist agenda—something I don’t consider a minor issue.

[ExomatrixTV]

Elon Goes SCORCHED EARTH On Trump’s Budget Bill!:

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Elon Musk lashed out at President Donald Trump's signature tax and spending bill on Wednesday, calling on Americans to tell their representatives in Washington to "kill the bill".

The budget, which includes huge tax breaks and a sharp rise in military spending, was passed by the House of Representatives last month and is now being considered by senators.

The tech billionaire posted on X earlier this week that the bill would add to the US budget deficit and saddle Americans with "crushing" debt. On Tuesday, he had described it as a "disgusting abomination", in a widening rift between the two.

Jimmy Dore and Kurt Metzger discuss how the budget bill betrays Republicans’ lack of concern about the ballooning debt.

[bobme]

there is one thing I have never understood. many people know what insanity is, it is loss of logic to the max.

But yet it is not the height of the full insane core issue.

That is The basic fact of being egotistical.

So Quite honestly, Trump and musk are both at the peek of insanity.

[apokalypse]

that elon black eye said it all..

[Irminsül]

Hi Mike! Here I’m sharing with you what would be the equivalent of slamming reality right into your face, haha. Obviously, you can keep idolizing whoever you want. But at least now you can’t say the truth wasn’t shown to you. I know it’s annoying when someone talks about how things really are and that goes against someone else’s beliefs (especially if they’re beliefs that person has held for years). You can see this very clearly with flat-earthers when you show them that their belief system is based on nonsense, mistakes, bad reasoning, etc. I’m sure what I’m saying bothers you, Mike, but well... you wanted more proof—here’s another one with quite a bit of weight:

The "Secret" High Society of the Purple Eye
By César C. Torella de Sanleucio y Sanmiguel

The "High Society of the Purple Eyes" is the highest level of the so-called "Illuminati"—sic, a mistranslation of the ancient and true Alumbrados of Spain and Naples, who were something entirely different. The "Members or Followers of the Purple Eye" stand above all of the modern, Hanoverian, and corrupted Freemasonry. These anti-initiates and occultists, through a mysterious and secret rite, display as a visible and contingent consequence the now well-known "Purple Eye."

It appears that while previous rituals might have involved contact with the Elohim-Gods—or perhaps, instead, with Demons—after this Final Rite, the initiates become definitively enslaved to this "Ultradimensional Entity." In this case, to say “eye” is also to say beware of them.

The photograph below was published on “X” by Mr. Ricardo De Spirito Balbuena, @elzorrotacneno, who comments on it with the following words:
“Sarah Ruth Ashcraft, the supposed victim, speaks of a ritual that every person must undergo as an initiation to gain access to the most powerful and secret lodge in the world: the ILLUMINATI. Whether true or not, the number of public figures appearing with a purple eye is truly astonishing.”

César C. Torella de Sanleucio y Sanmiguel in the Úfita Valley, Spanish Hidalgo of Naples and Orthodox Knight of Constantinople.



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[Mike]

Irminsul, this is all very interesting, and I mean that. I enjoy this kind of speculation in a weird sort of way. It's fun! But as of right now it remains just that: speculation.

I'm not going to look up every black eye you've presented here. No doubt most of them have very common explanations. I've had at least 2 black eyes that I can recall, and I'm not a member of the Purple Eye Society. Neither are the dozens of friends and family of mine that have suffered black eyes during their lives.

I'd be open to seeing more evidence as you build your case (I'm open to being proven wrong!) but so far you haven't demonstrated anything concrete. You began by accusing Musk of being a pedophile and someone who has engaged in "unspeakable things", and to prove that you've sent me a bunch of black eyes and some cosplay stuff.

If you started an Elon thread and over time kept adding circumstantial evidence to it, I'd follow it with curiosity. You're in the very,very early stages of building what I'd call a tenuous case. But you have my attention, and if you continue I'll keep paying attention and try to maintain an open mind. But it must be said that's it's very reckless and irresponsible of you to make the type of accusations you've made so far (Elon being a pedophile) without any real evidence whatsoever. That's why I called you out on that. I like you, and I like your thoughtful posts on UFO's, so it's nothing personal but this sort of piling on Elon with crazy claims really gets in my craw.

[Bill Ryan]

Sadly, while finding all of the corruption and fraud, no one seems to be being held accountable for their treasonous thefts... What is the point if these individuals are not arrested and charged with their crimes? Sorry that you suffered so much loss and retribution Elon, for what you embarked on, only to watch these criminals walk away...Yes. This is one of the core issues. No-one's been arrested or (seemingly) held to account for all the fraud that DOGE unearthed.

And DOGE was only just getting started. Elon was personally committed to the project night and day. And despite the important discoveries about USAID and Social Security fraud, it never got to grips with a bunch of even more important issues, because all the roadblocks went up to impede it.

Trump, very probably under pressure from the Deep State, stopped supporting it.

I suspect that Trump never expected DOGE would make so many quick inroads into the deep-rooted DC corruption. And soon after all that was exposed, it's 100% clear DOGE suddenly had the door slammed in its face and was not permitted to go anywhere near auditing the Pentagon — or Fort Knox. (Remember that??)

The last straw for Elon was the 'Big Beautiful Bill'. He's 100% justified in his anger about that. He saw that this would bring down the US economy, would add more trillions to the debt — and Must never wanted that to happen. It went 100% against what DOGE was tasked to accomplish.

Elon's criticism of the bill sent Trump over the edge as well — because politically he has to get it through. Trump knew it was flawed, and Elon told the truth. But Trump is in a corner economically as well as politically. So he had to attack Musk in retaliation.

Then when Trump lied (yes, he did), saying that Musk was fully familiar with the bill way in advance, and he was just upset about the EV issue, Musk was even more enraged.

Musk felt very betrayed by Trump's maneuvering. Musk has never been a politician, but Trump has to be — which means making compromises, looking after donors, being aware of the Deep State, taking cheap shots at others which are unjustified, and distorting truths. (Yes, Trump does all that, as do all politicians.)

The Russians, when asked to comment on all this, politely said that it was none of their concern (which it's not). But they'll be quietly noting that this is more evidence of Trump's inability to keep his promises to individuals*, and his previously stated commitments to goals and projects.
* And don't let's talk about Jared Isaacman's withdrawal as the nominee to head NASA, who Elon naturally fully supported. Isaacman was by far the best person qualified for the job, and Trump had previously posted effusively in his favor. Isaacman's withdrawal was for purely political reasons: nothing at all to do with NASA or the US's future in space — which Elon also deeply cares about.
For Elon, all this is about pesonal integrity. I really feel pretty sure about this. :flower:

[Mike]

Sadly, while finding all of the corruption and fraud, no one seems to be being held accountable for their treasonous thefts... What is the point if these individuals are not arrested and charged with their crimes? Sorry that you suffered so much loss and retribution Elon, for what you embarked on, only to watch these criminals walk away...Yes. This is one of the core issues. No-one's been arrested or (seemingly) held to account for all the fraud that DOGE unearthed.

And DOGE was only just getting started. Elon was personally committed to the project night and day. And despite the important discoveries about USAID and Social Security fraud, it never got to grips with a bunch of even more important issues, because all the roadblocks went up to impede it.

Trump, very probably under pressure from the Deep State, stopped supporting it.

I suspect that Trump never expected DOGE would make so many quick inroads into the deep-rooted DC corruption. And soon after all that was exposed, it's 100% clear DOGE suddenly had the door slammed in its face and was not permitted to go anywhere near auditing the Pentagon — or Fort Knox. (Remember that??)

The last straw for Elon was the 'Big Beautiful Bill'. He's 100% justified in his anger about that. He saw that this would bring down the US economy, would add more trillions to the debt — and Must never wanted that to happen. It went 100% against what DOGE was tasked to accomplish.

Elon's criticism of the bill sent Trump over the edge as well — because politically he has to get it through. Trump knew it was flawed, and Elon told the truth. But Trump is in a corner economically as well as politically. So he had to attack Musk in retaliation.

Then when Trump lied (yes, he did), saying that Musk was fully familiar with the bill way in advance, and he was just upset about the EV issue, Musk was even more enraged.

Musk felt very betrayed by Trump's maneuvering. Musk has never been a politician, but Trump has to be — which means making compromises, looking after donors, being aware of the Deep State, taking cheap shots at others which are unjustified, and distorting truths. (Yes, Trump does all that, as do all politicians.)

The Russians, when asked to comment on all this, politely said that it was none of their concern (which it's not). But they'll be quietly noting that this is more evidence of Trump's inability to keep his promises to individuals*, and his previously stated commitments to goals and projects.
* And don't let's talk about Jared Isaacman's withdrawal as the nominee to head NASA, who Elon naturally fully supported. Isaacman was by far the best person qualified for the job, and Trump had previously posted effusively in his favor. Isaacman's withdrawal was for purely political reasons: nothing at all to do with NASA or the US's future in space — which Elon also deeply cares about.
For Elon, all this is about pesonal integrity. I really feel pretty sure about this. :flower:

I'm in agreement with all of this, with one exception maybe. At this point anyway, it's not obvious to me that Elon is right about The Big Beautiful Bill. Time will tell, I s'pose, but I've heard this bill (and all it's ramifications) being described very differently by different people.. all highly intelligent and capable - partisans and non-partisans alike - so it's left me a little off balance. I know as much about bills and economics as I do about brain surgery, so all I can really do is rely on the analysis of others and apply my intuition.

Setting all that aside, if I were Elon I'd be furious too. But I can sympathize with Trump's position as well. Ben Shapiro has a really thoughtful take. He breaks down the feud into 3 parts: political, business, and personal. 11 mins long:
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[Gemma13]

Sorry... but I don't see anything to admire in a satanic, pedophile psychopath from the "elite"

What evidence do you have for any of that?

It's more than clear that all the people who are part of the "elite" got there by doing unspeakable things. Among some clues, you can see clothing with Illuminati or even outright satanic symbolism worn by this man. That said, I apologize to the person who made the thread — the thread is specifically meant to highlight the positive side of this individual. I believe ExomatrixTV made a separate post to show this person's dark side. Farewell, take care!

Here is mt 2 cents worth on this topic.

Irminsül, I have admired several of the threads that you have started and a few of the comments you have made. Your threads appear to be well thought out and fairly detailed. It doesn't necessarily mean I agree with everything you write, but I admire the effort and the thoughtfulness. So your last two posts about Musk seem a bit out of character.

I get that a lot of people hate Musk, and I can certainly understand why you and many people in Argentina "might" hate him, given the fact that he and President Milei are kindred spirits when it comes to cutting government. I know that before Milei became president, he would often brandish a chainsaw at campaign rallies as a symbol of his drive to cut the size of government. I know that over the last year that Musk has promoted Milei's speeches and held him out as an example of how to cut government spending. So I might not agree with your thoughts on Musk, but I get your hatred, but you really should make an effort to put some evidence on the table before you label Musk a satanic, pedophile psychopath from the "elite."

Truly great individuals who possess just the right combination of intelligence, courage, and creativity come along so infrequently that we should encourage and applaud their growth. Sadly, a rather sizeable segment of the population feels convinced that their destruction is necessary.

I admire Musk quite a bit, and when I think about how he will be viewed in 100 years, 500 years or more, it is simply breathtaking. Every effort he has made in his adult life has been for the betterment of humanity, a trait so remarkedly rare that it will most likely not be seen again in your lifetime. This does not mean that Musk is a saintlike figure (who is); he certainly is a flawed messenger, but what he has already accomplished and will in the future is nothing short of staggering.

Hi rgray222! Thank you for your words. I actually realized that it was wrong to post something negative about Musk in the first place, because this thread is meant to highlight his positive qualities. I later understood that it wasn’t the right place for that. But I noticed that some people who commented afterwards also shared negative opinions about him. So I guess there’s no problem discussing the topic here…

His transhumanist agenda seems to me like a clear sign that he’s working for the wrong side. These kinds of people—these major public figures—always operate in this way. It’s like defending Bill Gates, who, if you watch the Netflix documentaries about him, is portrayed as an exemplary human being, a genius, and a philanthropist. But in reality, that’s just a façade for his true interests. In India and Africa, he carried out vaccine experiments on people, leaving hundreds with motor issues and other problems.

Another example would be thinking that Pope Francis was a great person. And that "great person" said that getting the COVID vaccine was an act of love! (That’s just one example among dozens). So I believe that people who are at the top of the pyramid are very rarely good human beings.

Once again, I point to the fact that Elon is pushing the transhumanist agenda—something I don’t consider a minor issue.

This might help you understand the logic behind Musk's investment in transhumanism.


Musk spent considerable time lobbying corporations, governments and world leaders about the danger of developing AI too quickly before we had intelligently exhausted the risks, so that humanity could remain in control of AI and elitist transhumanism, rather than the other way around. He failed.

But visionaries don’t give up. He strategized that the next best step would be to help level the playing field for humanity. And this is the reason for his independent research with Neuralink.

I know this because I spent a lot of time listening to Musk to know that he is trying to develop a tool for mainstream humanity to have a chance against elitism taking their power into unreachable territory with their transhumanism plans.


INCIDENTLY: For those who are familiar with the Wingmaker’s Material, [referenced in Wes Penre’s video in a post above] there is mention of neurological augmentation in Philosophy Chamber 4 : https://www.wingmakers.com/wp-content/themes/wingmaker/style/dark/pdffiles/Philosophy%20Chamber%204%20(optimized).pdf

However, the Grand Portal is not easily comprehensible. It will require an educated humanity in the fields of cosmology, technology, and science. It is for this reason that medical technologies in the field of genetics and neural mapping will proceed in the twenty-first century to enable a new, spatial intelligence to anyone who desires it. While this medical technology may seem to some as an artificial, and therefore unwelcome technology, it will be required for much of the human race in order to comprehend the Grand Portal, and it should not be feared.

We are well and truly living our science fiction of yesterday and it is terrifying. Our children and their children will be confronting this reality in ways we can barely comprehend today. To cope with this I believe it is important to start paying attention to the integrity and motives behind those that are developing technology.

There is a dramatic difference between Transhumanists and Musk. Both are about the evolution of our species, but:

Kurzweil (transhumanist) wants humanity to surrender to, and evolve into, AI.
Musk wants humanity to survive and evolve in control of AI.

Musk is a true humanitarian at heart. (When Musk was made aware of an energy crisis in South Australia he offered to build a large lithium battery power station to help and eventually got Government approval.)

Watch his reaction @12:00 when he is told about the reality of Australia’s energy crisis.
Watch his comment and bottom lip quiver @12:39.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7BMaG3zyVo
This billionaire scientist is on our side. Musk is doing everything he can to counter the opposition of greed and stupidity as well as trying to help transform our world into renewable energies.

His Starlink Project, (God willing it proves to be a success), is not about killing people either. It is about providing direct satellite internet access to everyone on the planet via a “flat Phased Array antenna about the size of a pizza box or laptop computer and expected to cost between $100 and $300”. This will eliminate the need for cable.

What are some of the Geo Political issues Starlink will need to deal with?
Some countries want tight controls over the Internet. In theory all you need to get unfiltered access anywhere in the world is an antenna and an account. SpaceX plans to work with governments on a case by case basis to provide service.

This link gives a run down of the Starlink Project : https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/7zqm2c/starlink_faq/

[Irminsül]

Hi Mike! Well, thanks for your words. To be honest, as those who’ve gotten to know me in this beautiful forum have probably seen, it’s not really my style to post things like that initial message about Elon. Sometimes I go through certain mental/emotional phases that are a bit unusual, and I act impulsively… “guided,” maybe? That’s kind of what happened with the whole Elon thing. And within less than three days, the current scandal between him and Trump broke out. Synchronicity? Maybe. Was I guided by my Pleiadian friends? Perhaps. Have I always been a bit crazy? Don’t even doubt it, haha.

Anyway… I’m honestly not interested in trying to prove Elon Musk’s “evilness.” Not everything in life requires proof or hard evidence. In ufology, people who think like that tend to follow a materialist-positivist model, and in order to believe or accept the existence of extraterrestrial beings, they feel the need to dissect one. It’s the equivalent of the apostle Thomas, who needed to stick his hand into Jesus’s wound to confirm that He had resurrected.

Just today I received that information about the Purple Eye Club through a WhatsApp group, and that’s why I shared it. I don’t think I’ll go much deeper into the topic… unless more info comes my way, haha. Take care!



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[Bill Ryan]

Friends, watch the half-minute section between 1:00 and 1:33 in this video. Thomas Massie predicted the entire thing on 18 May, nearly 3 weeks ago. And what he foresaw is exactly what happened.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8UpmXfXy8c
Transcript:
That's a real untold story here. And I think we may be on a collision course.

I think there's three cars coming together at an intersection, and they don't realize they're going to hit. One of them is Congress with Mike Johnson driving. Trump obviously is is one of these cars. (Maybe he's the train.) And then there's another car which is DOGE.

And I don't think Elon Musk is going to suffer these fools once he finds out how foolish they are or duplicitous they are.

[ExomatrixTV]

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source (https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930717607453466970)

[Bill Ryan]

Here's Chris Martenson on the whole thing. His video title says it all.

In summary: Musk is — or was — committed to trying to avert the coming economic crisis, and for quite a while he believed Trump was 100% with him on that. Trump did initially start off that way, but is now much more a captive of the Deep State, maybe something which even he could not prevent. And now nothing can stop what's gonna come.

(My own guess: the US economy will begin to tank before the end of this year. And by next year, it'll all be in plain view. :flower:)

The Trump-Musk War and the Coming Economic Crisis

https://rumble.com/v6uercl-the-trump-musk-war-and-the-coming-economic-crisis.html
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[Denise/Dizi]

Yes. This is one of the core issues. No-one's been arrested or (seemingly) held to account for all the fraud that DOGE unearthed.

And DOGE was only just getting started. Elon was personally committed to the project night and day. And despite the important discoveries about USAID and Social Security fraud, it never got to grips with a bunch of even more important issues, because all the roadblocks went up to impede it.

Trump, very probably under pressure from the Deep State, stopped supporting it.

I suspect that Trump never expected DOGE would make so many quick inroads into the deep-rooted DC corruption. And soon after all that was exposed, it's 100% clear DOGE suddenly had the door slammed in its face and was not permitted to go anywhere near auditing the Pentagon — or Fort Knox. (Remember that??)

The last straw for Elon was the 'Big Beautiful Bill'. He's 100% justified in his anger about that. He saw that this would bring down the US economy, would add more trillions to the debt — and Must never wanted that to happen. It went 100% against what DOGE was tasked to accomplish.

Elon's criticism of the bill sent Trump over the edge as well — because politically he has to get it through. Trump knew it was flawed, and Elon told the truth. But Trump is in a corner economically as well as politically. So he had to attack Musk in retaliation.

Then when Trump lied (yes, he did), saying that Musk was fully familiar with the bill way in advance, and he was just upset about the EV issue, Musk was even more enraged.

Musk felt very betrayed by Trump's maneuvering. Musk has never been a politician, but Trump has to be — which means making compromises, looking after donors, being aware of the Deep State, taking cheap shots at others which are unjustified, and distorting truths. (Yes, Trump does all that, as do all politicians.)

The Russians, when asked to comment on all this, politely said that it was none of their concern (which it's not). But they'll be quietly noting that this is more evidence of Trump's inability to keep his promises to individuals*, and his previously stated commitments to goals and projects.
* And don't let's talk about Jared Isaacman's withdrawal as the nominee to head NASA, who Elon naturally fully supported. Isaacman was by far the best person qualified for the job, and Trump had previously posted effusively in his favor. Isaacman's withdrawal was for purely political reasons: nothing at all to do with NASA or the US's future in space — which Elon also deeply cares about.
For Elon, all this is about pesonal integrity. I really feel pretty sure about this. :flower:

I understand that things take time. Much was found and cut off, but the wheels of justice turn slowly, if at all in this country... (Especially when dealing with political issues).. So I didn't expect for things to ramp up and be done and tied with a bow in such a short time... But I certainly didn't expect for it to end this way.

I do not know when the "Big Beautiful Bill" was written, nor had I heard of it before yesterday honestly, as I have been so busy... So I can't speak to it... But I do know that the money grabs never stop in Washington... And there is always a bill waiting to be thrust at the taxpayers to pay... It would have come whether some funds were freed from their ill gotten purposes or not I suppose, and only added to what was recently cut. Cuts or not, the next round of debt was going to hit at some point... Just as our bills come monthly..

I reserve judgement on who is in the right or wrong here, as you are absolutely correct, Elon can operate by the seat of his pants with the best of intentions, with a clear path ahead of him, without having to deal with the ridiculous nature of our government and all of the bought and paid for politicians, lobbyists, and those with enormous wealth who are really running this world, while Trump has to do the "Dance" around all of that.

Elon is used to learning of a problem, and surgically cutting it out, and moving forward. Either by hiring those wise enough to find the solutions, or figuring it out himself... It is either right or it is not, and it is that simple... And he cuts out the cancer. But politics don't operate that way, and we see that as fact by all of the whining and sniveling individuals demanding people acknowledge their mental illnesses into their own lives these days... And the government has been catering to those individuals for a very long time... Our government has terminal cancer requiring surgical intervention.

Trump has to run that gauntlet. It's a mess to be sure...

My guess is Trump assumed that Elon, being a wise man himself, would understand that these things would pop up, and that Trump would have to make some choices that wouldn't be very welcomed... At some point new decisions would have had to be made... You can't just stop everything without continuing to run a government.. Decisions need to be made, and everything is contingent on a time frame.. Good for only so long, and applications need to be resubmitted.

Cutting the previous waste and fraud is only a start, the only way this was going to be successful, is if the waste and fraud stopped being produced as well, and I surmise Elon see's this new bill as just that. Why bother cutting all this waste if you are just going to redistribute it again elsewhere?

It's certainly not an easy spot to be in.

[TrumanCash]

40 State Attorneys General Warn: 'Big Beautiful Bill' Will Strip States of Power Over AI
Just as feds merge surveillance, DNA, and biotech.

A bipartisan coalition of 40 state attorneys general has sent a scathing letter to Congress warning against the 10-year federal ban on state regulation of artificial intelligence buried in the 1,116-page One Big Beautiful Bill Act—the same bill the House just passed along party lines.

This website’s early reporting on the issue even caught the eye of conservative commentator Dana Loesch (@DLoesch).

Now, U.S. Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Thomas Massie (R-KY) are speaking out against the bill’s section.

“The impact of such a broad moratorium would be sweeping and wholly destructive of reasonable state efforts to prevent known harms associated with AI,” the AGs wrote in a letter dated May 16, 2025.

That’s before the House passed the bill anyway.

“This bill will affect hundreds of existing and pending state laws… Some existing laws have been on the books for many years.”

Section 43201, titled the “Artificial Intelligence and Information Technology Modernization Initiative,” includes this stunning line:

“No State or political subdivision thereof may enforce any law or regulation regulating artificial intelligence models… during the 10-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act.”
—Sec. 43201(c)(1)

This is not theoretical, and it’s not a slippery slope.

It’s a federal override of every state’s right to regulate AI, effective immediately if the Senate follows the House’s lead.

And the House did it knowingly.

https://jonfleetwood.substack.com/p/40-state-attorneys-general-warn-big

[abmqa]

40 State Attorneys General Warn: 'Big Beautiful Bill' Will Strip States of Power Over AI
Just as feds merge surveillance, DNA, and biotech.

A bipartisan coalition of 40 state attorneys general has sent a scathing letter to Congress warning against the 10-year federal ban on state regulation of artificial intelligence buried in the 1,116-page One Big Beautiful Bill Act—the same bill the House just passed along party lines.

This website’s early reporting on the issue even caught the eye of conservative commentator Dana Loesch (@DLoesch).

Now, U.S. Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Thomas Massie (R-KY) are speaking out against the bill’s section.

“The impact of such a broad moratorium would be sweeping and wholly destructive of reasonable state efforts to prevent known harms associated with AI,” the AGs wrote in a letter dated May 16, 2025.

That’s before the House passed the bill anyway.

“This bill will affect hundreds of existing and pending state laws… Some existing laws have been on the books for many years.”

Section 43201, titled the “Artificial Intelligence and Information Technology Modernization Initiative,” includes this stunning line:

“No State or political subdivision thereof may enforce any law or regulation regulating artificial intelligence models… during the 10-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act.”
—Sec. 43201(c)(1)

This is not theoretical, and it’s not a slippery slope.

It’s a federal override of every state’s right to regulate AI, effective immediately if the Senate follows the House’s lead.

And the House did it knowingly.

https://jonfleetwood.substack.com/p/40-state-attorneys-general-warn-big

As if AI needs a 10 year head start! It's likely 100 years from now people will look back at 2025 as the year mankind lost control over of our own human destinies, unknowingly or with foreknowledge. Sheesh

[HopSan]

Here's Chris Martenson on the whole thing. His video title says it all.

In summary: Musk is — or was — committed to trying to avert the coming economic crisis, and for quite a while he believed Trump was 100% with him on that. Trump did initially start off that way, but is now much more a captive of the Deep State, maybe something which even he could not prevent. And now nothing can stop what's gonna come.

(My own guess: the US economy will begin to tank before the end of this year. And by next year, it'll all be in plain view. :flower:)

The Trump-Musk War and the Coming Economic Crisis

https://rumble.com/v6uercl-the-trump-musk-war-and-the-coming-economic-crisis.html
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Agreed. US (you people don't know this) has been living with the whole world as its slaves.
Your leaders print 'money', others work and produce.

The invisible 'top' may have hoped, that by destroying Russia and getting its resources, US can continue another 10-20 years.

But endless lies to US and EU are -- crashing.

Trump has better info, and is creating 'money'.
Musk lives in mainstream, and believes that US went to Moon.

[norman]

I'm posting this new Rogan/Musk show blind without watching it for anyone interested enough to check it out and report back on anything of substance for the rest of us.

Full form Rogan interviews don't make the cut in my listening priorities these days.

Joe Rogan Experience #2404 - Elon Musk
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[rgray222]

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https://www.facebook.com/reel/1153204543054051

[rgray222]

A somewhat unusual, kinda weird but interesting interview.

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