Liberation Day: US Tariffs on Everyone

[Bill Ryan]

Most interestingly, Alexander Mercouris argues persuasively that the swathe of tariffs now enforced by Trump means the end of globalization.

Liberation Day: The End of Globalization


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLvY6xpKoIs

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/MoonofA/status/1907718313230102904

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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/04/white-house-lacks-financial-literacy-tariffs-show.html

White House Lacks Financial Literacy - 'Tariffs' Show
April 03, 2025

Presidential Message on National Financial Literacy Month, 2025 (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/2025/04/presidential-message-on-national-financial-literacy-month-2025/) - The White House, Apr 1 2025
The foundation of American economic prosperity is a society empowered with the knowledge and tools to make informed financial decisions to achieve the American Dream. ...I welcome that message.

Teaching financial literacy must start at the top. The members of the Trump administration obviously lack the knowledge and tools to make informed financial decisions.

It is the only possible explanation for how they came up with these numbers:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/19i/tariffs1.png

China does not have a 67% tariff on U.S. goods (it's 7.3%). The EU does not have a 39% tariff on U.S. goods (it's 5.2%). The numbers are bollocks.

So where do they come from? The official explanation from the U.S. Trade Representative is here (https://ustr.gov/issue-areas/reciprocal-tariff-calculations). Its baloney:
James Surowiecki @JamesSurowiecki - 0:22 UTC · Apr 3, 2025 (https://x.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1907559189234196942) Just figured out where these fake tariff rates come from. They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us.
So we have a $17.9 billion trade deficit with Indonesia. Its exports to us are $28 billion. $17.9/$28 = 64%, which Trump claims is the tariff rate Indonesia charges us. What extraordinary nonsense this is.
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Even given that it's Trump, I cannot believe they said "We'll just divide the trade deficit by imports and tell people that's the tariff rate." And then they decided to set our tariffs by just cutting that totally made-up rate in half! This is so dumb and deceptive.
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.. it's actually worse than I thought: in calculating the tariff rate, Trump's people only used the trade deficit in goods. So even though we run a trade surplus in services with the world, those exports don't count as far as Trump is concerned.
The last point is a major one, for China, but especially for the EU (https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/united-states_en) :
EU-US trade in goods and services reached an impressive €1.6 trillion in 2023. This means that every day, €4.4 billion worth of goods and services cross the Atlantic between the EU and the US.
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The total bilateral trade in goods reached €851 billion in 2023. The EU exported €503 billion of goods to the US market, while importing €347 billion; this resulted in a goods trade surplus of €157 billion for the EU. Total bilateral trade in services between the EU and the US was worth €746 billion in 2023. The EU exported €319 billion of services to the US, while importing €427 billion from the US; this resulted in a services trade deficit of €109 billion for the EU.
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EU-US goods and services trade is balanced: the difference between EU exports to the US and US exports to the EU stood at €48 billion in 2023; the equivalent of just 3% of the total trade between the EU and the US.
Despite that Trump has decreed a 20% on all goods from the EU. The natural countermeasure from the EU will be to put a 20+% tariff on all import of U.S. services.

Trump also decreed a minimum 10% tariff on imports from every country. Products made by the penguins of the uninhabited Heard and McDonald Islands in the Antarctic will now come with a 10% surcharge.

There is really no economic reasoning behind these numbers.
Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand - 4:16 AM · Apr 3, 2025 (https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1907618228614082944) To illustrate just how nonsensically these tariffs were calculated, take the example of Lesotho, one of the poorest countries in Africa with just $2.4 billion in annual GDP, which is being struck with a 50% tariff rate under the Trump plan, the highest rate among all countries on the list.
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As a matter of fact Lesotho, as a member of the Southern African Customs Union (SACU), applies the common external tariff structure established by this regional trade bloc.
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So since the tariffs charged by these 5 countries on U.S. products are exactly the same, they must all be struck with a 50% tariff rate by the U.S., right? Not at all: South Africa is getting 30%, Namibia 21%, Botswana 37% and Eswatini just 10%, the lowest rate possible among all countries.
Looking at Lesotho specifically, every year the U.S. imports approximately $236 million in goods from Lesotho (primarily diamonds, textiles and apparel) while exporting only about $7 million worth of goods to Lesotho (https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/LSO/Year/2022/TradeFlow/EXPIMP/Partner/by-country).
Why do they export so little? Again this is an extremely poor country where 56.2% of the population lives with less than $3.65 a day (https://databankfiles.worldbank.org/public/... (https://databankfiles.worldbank.org/public/ddpext_download/poverty/987B9C90-CB9F-4D93-AE8C-750588BF00QA/current/Global_POVEQ_LSO.pdf)), i.e. $1,300 a year. They simply can't afford U.S. products, no-one is going to buy an iPhone or a Tesla on that sort of income...
The way the tariffs are ACTUALLY calculated appears to be based on a simplistic and economically senseless formula: you take the trade deficit the U.S. has with a country, divide it by that country's exports to the U.S and declare this - falsely - "the tariff they charge on the U.S."
And then as Trump did in his speech last night, you magnanimously declare that you'll only "reciprocate" by charging half that "tariff" on them.
As such, for Lesotho, the calculation goes like this: ($236M - $7M)/$235M = 97%. That's the "tariff" Lesotho is deemed to charge this U.S. and half of that, i.e. roughly 50% is what the U.S. "reciprocates" with.
It's extremely easy to see why this makes no sense at all.
Lesotho has a comparative advantage over the U.S. as it can dig up and sell diamonds. But it lacks the purchasing power to buy U.S. goods and services. The calculations by the Trump administration ignore those basic facts.

No tariffs were by the way introduced against Belarus, Russia and North Korea. This because of sanction, the U.S. has allegedly no trade relation with them. (Other than buying enriched Uranium (https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/01/16/982111.html) for its nuclear power stations?)

Did the Trump administration anticipate how this nonsense will explode in its face?
It is Smoot-Hawley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act) writ large.

[Bill Ryan]

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/04/white-house-lacks-financial-literacy-tariffs-show.html

White House Lacks Financial Literacy - 'Tariffs' Show
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Teaching financial literacy must start at the top. The members of the Trump administration obviously lack the knowledge and tools to make informed financial decisions.

It is the only possible explanation for how they came up with these numbers:

Economics and global finance make up the one big-picture topic about I definitely know the least of all. But I feel I have to say: I do not have a good feeling about this. :worried:

Exactly why, I'm not totally sure, though I have a few ideas. I'm going to spend the next few days meditating on this to figure out what I might possibly be able to 'see'.

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1907900004162748632

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https://x.com/AfricaViewFacts/status/1907811564679258275

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[Ravenlocke]

Text:
𝐌𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐒𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐈𝐭: 𝐌𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐤𝐚𝐧𝐞’𝐬 “𝐂𝐎𝐕𝐈𝐃” 𝐌𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭

The recent 50% reciprocal tariff imposed by the U.S. on Lesotho has left many puzzled. But what does this actually mean for Lesotho’s economy? More importantly, is the current administration prepared to handle what could be a bigger economic shock than COVID-19?

𝐅𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐬

Lesotho does not set its own tariffs.
•Tariffs on U.S. goods are determined by the Southern African Customs Union (SACU), not Lesotho itself.
•SACU’s Common External Tariff (CET) generally ranges from:
•0–30% on most goods.
•Higher tariffs on products like textiles, alcohol, and vehicles.

𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝟓𝟎% 𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐟𝐟 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧?

Effectively, Donald Trump has “killed” AGOA.
•The textile industry, which depends almost entirely on duty-free access to the U.S., will collapse.
•18,000 jobs lost—only a fraction of the workforce (500 workers) will remain employed.
•This could be the end of Lesotho’s largest manufacturing sector, which contributes significantly to GDP and foreign exchange earnings.

𝐈𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐚𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐩𝐮𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧

This tariff exposes deep flaws in international trade agreements and regional economic policies:
•South Africa’s Role in SACU
•The tariff highlights how South Africa’s protectionist policies have long shaped SACU trade rules to its advantage.
•As tensions between South Africa and the U.S. grow, Lesotho is caught in the crossfire, bearing the economic consequences of decisions it does not control.
•China and Taiwan’s Influence
•Lesotho’s textile industry is highly dependent on Chinese and Taiwanese investors, who operate within AGOA’s framework.
•With AGOA now effectively crippled, these investors may pull out or relocate, further destabilizing the economy.
•The original intent of AGOA—to empower local Basotho-owned businesses—was never realized, and this crisis lays bare those structural weaknesses.

What’s Next?

The full impact of these tariffs will unfold over the coming months, but one thing is clear: Lesotho’s economic model is fragile, and its dependence on AGOA has left it vulnerable. The question now is whether the government can mitigate the fallout or if Lesotho is heading toward an economic crisis.

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More on this in our next publication.

https://x.com/LesothoTribune/status/1907720558458056885

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[Ravenlocke]

A good explanation by Arnaud Bertrand

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To illustrate just how nonsensically these tariffs were calculated, take the example of Lesotho, one of the poorest countries in Africa with just $2.4 billion in annual GDP, which is being struck with a 50% tariff rate under the Trump plan, the highest rate among all countries on the list.

Why? Does Lesotho apply extortionate tariffs on U.S. products and the U.S. is merely being "reciprocal" here? Not at all, despite what Trump is saying, it's NOT the way these tariffs are defined.

As a matter of fact Lesotho, as a member of the Southern African Customs Union (SACU), applies the common external tariff structure established by this regional trade bloc.

Which means it applies the same tariffs on U.S. products as South Africa does, as well as the 3 other members of the bloc: Namibia, Eswatini and Botswana.

So since the tariffs charged by these 5 countries on U.S. products are exactly the same, they must all be struck with a 50% tariff rate by the U.S., right? Not at all: South Africa is getting 30%, Namibia 21%, Botswana 37% and Eswatini just 10%, the lowest rate possible among all countries.

So what gives? Again, the way these tariffs are calculated has absolutely zero relationship with actual tariffs imposed by these countries on U.S. products. Instead, they appear to be simply derived from trade deficit calculations.

Looking at Lesotho specifically, every year the U.S. imports approximately $236 million in goods from Lesotho (primarily diamonds, textiles and apparel) while exporting only about $7 million worth of goods to Lesotho (https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/LSO/Year/2022/TradeFlow/EXPIMP/Partner/by-country).

Why do they export so little? Again this is an extremely poor country where 56.2% of the population lives with less than $3.65 a day (https://databankfiles.worldbank.org/public/ddpext_download/poverty/987B9C90-CB9F-4D93-AE8C-750588BF00QA/current/Global_POVEQ_LSO.pdf), i.e. $1,300 a year. They simply can't afford U.S. products, no-one is going to buy an iPhone or a Tesla on that sort of income...

The way the tariffs are ACTUALLY calculated appears to be based on a simplistic and economically senseless formula: you take the trade deficit the U.S. has with a country, divide it by that country's exports to the U.S and declare this - falsely - "the tariff they charge on the U.S."

And then as Trump did in his speech last night, you magnanimously declare that you'll only "reciprocate" by charging half that "tariff" on them.

As such, for Lesotho, the calculation goes like this: ($236M - $7M)/$235M = 97%. That's the "tariff" Lesotho is deemed to charge this U.S. and half of that, i.e. roughly 50% is what the U.S. "reciprocates" with.

It's extremely easy to see why this makes no sense at all.

First of all, there's nothing Lesotho can do about it: they can't change tariffs they allegedly charge the U.S. to reduce the tariff rate the U.S. "reciprocates" with because, again, it's NOT based on any tariff that they charge.

Similarly they can't do much about reducing the trade deficit they have with the U.S. because, again, they simply don't have enough money to buy U.S. products.

Also the main rational Trump gave for the tariffs is to get production back to the U.S., to "bring manufacturing back". 47.3% of Lesotho's exports are diamonds: how do you bring the "manufacturing" of that "back to the U.S."? Anyone can see it makes just about zero sense.

The Lesotho example exposes the fundamental economic incoherence of these tariffs. Rather than addressing actual trade barriers, they punish countries based on trade deficits that arise from structural economic realities. All the more countries like Lesotho which pose zero competitive threat to American industry.

Worse yet, these tariffs will likely make these structural realities even worse: the U.S. is Lesotho's second most important export destination so it's a fair bet that applying 50% tariffs on their products will make people in Lesotho even poorer, and therefore even LESS able to afford U.S. products.

But perhaps the most unfair and detrimental aspect of all this is that these tariffs represent a complete reversal of longstanding U.S. development policy, and therefore a betrayal of countries - like Lesotho - who chose to follow U.S. advice in the past.

For decades the U.S. has used preferential trade access to encourage economic development in the world's poorest nations, recognizing that trade, not just aid, could get them out of poverty and ultimately put them in a position where they too could afford iPhones or Tesla.

They're now effectively penalizing countries for following previous U.S. policy, a lesson which I bet they won't forget anytime soon.

So all in all the irony is painful: in the name of fighting unfair trade, America has just demonstrated what truly unfair trade looks like.

This isn't something designed to address genuine trade issues, but simply a mechanism based on arbitrary math to punish countries for the affront of selling more to the United States than they buy.

https://x.com/joshbudlender/status/1907686217186959429

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[Bill Ryan]

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1907900004162748632

Trump imposed a 50% tariff on Lesotho, the highest tariff levied on any country.I'd written this above, about the tariffs in general, before I'd heard about the 50% levied on Lesotho.
I feel I have to say: I do not have a good feeling about this. :worried:Now I'm feeling it much more strongly. There's something that's just not right here.

Lesotho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesotho) is the tiny country in red in the map below, entirely surrounded by South Africa. It used to be called Basutoland, before gaining independence from the British in 1966. Trump made a joke about it in his Speech to Congress a month ago, saying 'no-one has ever heard of it.'

Lesotho is the 22nd poorest country in the world.

https://images.mapsofworld.com/answers/2017/04/south-africa-1.jpg

[SilentFeathers]

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/04/white-house-lacks-financial-literacy-tariffs-show.html

White House Lacks Financial Literacy - 'Tariffs' Show
[ ... ]
Teaching financial literacy must start at the top. The members of the Trump administration obviously lack the knowledge and tools to make informed financial decisions.

It is the only possible explanation for how they came up with these numbers:

Economics and global finance make up the one big-picture topic about I definitely know the least of all. But I feel I have to say: I do not have a good feeling about this. :worried:

Exactly why, I'm not totally sure, though I have a few ideas. I'm going to spend the next few days meditating on this to figure out what I might possibly be able to 'see'.

It's hard to say what to believe right now. Nothing is making sense and it all seems like a huge lie. These percentage charts don't even make any sense.

I've watched several video's/reports about this and everyone is saying something different and no one seems to know what the hell they are talking about.

I'm starting to think something totally different is going on than what it appears to be, like we are all being played.

[Ravenlocke]

What’s going around on the net is that the tariffs kills the AGOA and further the AGOA initially set up in 2000 is set to expire this year in September.
https://x.com/bftghana/status/1894348369797034272

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[Bill Ryan]

Economics and global finance make up the one big-picture topic about I definitely know the least of all. But I feel I have to say: I do not have a good feeling about this. :worried:

However, this is Jeffrey Sachs' professional expertise, a man for whom I have the highest respect. I've NOT listened to this video yet, but the title may be the giveaway.

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs : The Disaster of Tariffs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0alGvV0Sjc

[SilentFeathers]

Economics and global finance make up the one big-picture topic about I definitely know the least of all. But I feel I have to say: I do not have a good feeling about this. :worried:

However, this is Jeffrey Sachs' professional expertise, a man for whom I have the highest respect. I've NOT listened to this video yet, but the title may be the giveaway.

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs : The Disaster of Tariffs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0alGvV0Sjc

Even Sachs appears to be looking at what's going on through tunnel vision, not seeing the bigger picture.

I do agree what he says about these tariffs being a tax and causing prices to rise as I'm seeing this first hand with what I need to purchase to operate my business. I'm constantly having to raise my prices and it's becoming an ongoing issue with my clients/customers.

It does seem Trump is sticking a dagger in to our economy causing a near fatal wound, but, what it must be doing to other countries is even worse. Some of these other countries so used to racking in big bucks and now just hammered in to oblivion must be panicking and losing their minds. The US has somewhat of a cushion to this but this has to be just catastrophic to some other countries and big businesses. It's a major shakedown to say the least.

Almost every "expert" is saying Trump doesn't understand economics and doesn't know what he's doing, they sound like they are reading off a script. That's a sign right there something is off and not making sense.

I'm seeing Trump slamming the door shut to something, it feels extremely dangerous. It's as if he's not just firing a few CEO's, he's firing a few Nations.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Burn it it to the ground!

We are so used to being fleeced that we cannot even dream of a world without our masters.

And we are so propagandized that we don't know good from bad, or right from wrong.


no one anticipated a 238,000 landfall jobs increase
but oh no, its bad for Africa
what about America

subsidized economies are not helping anyone
they are aiding and abetting the moral decay that is socialized government
if everyone gets a handout, who is paying

yup, we are, always have
we pay for everything
which means we pay for our own indentured servitude

let the Phoenix rise from the ashes

[TrumanCash]

Why Are There No Tariffs on Russia? Trump’s Sanctions Already Crushed Their Trade

Democrats have branded President Trump a Russian agent, pointing to his tariffs on U.S. allies like Canada and Europe while appearing to spare Russia. However, while Trump has not introduced new tariffs on Russia in his second term, he has extended and enforced existing trade restrictions—maintaining the punitive measures implemented during his first term and reinforced under the Biden administration.

In his first term alone, Trump imposed more than 270 sanctions on Russian individuals and entities. Combined with Biden’s later actions, these measures slashed U.S. imports from Russia to just $3 billion in 2024, down from $29 billion in 2021. Today, Russia is a trivial player in the U.S. trade picture.

Trump ranks third in total sanctions on Russia—behind Presidents Obama and Biden, but the numbers alone miss the bigger picture. Obama sanctioned Russia after Moscow invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea in 2014 on his watch. He failed to broker peace, failed to reclaim territory, and left office with Crimea still in Russian hands. Yet, no one accused him of being a Russian asset.

Biden imposed even more sanctions following Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022. Like Obama, he failed to prevent the war, failed to reverse Russian gains, and exited office without a negotiated settlement.

Trump, by contrast, offered President Zelensky two clear paths for continued U.S. support—focused on defense in exchange for critical resources like minerals and energy—and made repeated efforts to negotiate an end to the conflict. Zelensky rejected both. Democrats may not like Trump’s approach, but calling him a Russian agent ignores the facts: he tried harder than either of his predecessors to bring the war to a close.

Meanwhile, U.S. exports to Russia, hampered by strict export controls, fell to $526 million in 2024, leaving a modest trade deficit of $2.5 billion. This pales in comparison to the $63 billion deficit with Canada and the $236 billion deficit with the European Union, underscoring Russia’s minor role in U.S. trade imbalances.

Far from being a Kremlin stooge, Trump hammered Russia with sanctions. These struck hard and wide: in 2018, the Treasury Department froze the U.S. assets of 7 oligarchs, 12 companies they controlled, and 17 senior Putin allies, targeting election meddling and cyberattacks. The 2017 CAATSA law, signed under congressional pressure, locked in sanctions on 39 Russian defense and intelligence entities, while 273 designations hit Ukraine-related aggression and other provocations.

Trump also banned Kaspersky Labs software from U.S. government systems in 2017 over spying risks and, in 2019, sanctioned firms building the Nord Stream 2 pipeline to curb Russia’s energy grip on Europe. In his 2025 term, he’s kept the heat on, adding oil and banking sanctions in March. Paired with Biden’s 2022 energy import ban, these measures have crushed U.S.-Russia trade—imports plummeted from $29 billion in 2021 to just $3 billion in 2024—showing tariffs would be overkill when sanctions have already done the job.

Read entire article at https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/why-are-there-no-tariffs-russia-trumps-sanctions/

[Bill Ryan]

Despite the video title, the first 42 minutes of Alexander Mercouris' update today are all about this. (Besides being a historian, classics scholar, lawyer and experienced geopolitical analyst, he also understands a very great deal about economics.)

He predicts:

Great turbulence in global trade and global finance.
Rising inflation both the in US and worldwide.
The end of globalization.
The beginning of the end of the EU.
... And Russia, China and the BRICS nations will survive all this just fine.

His one-sentence summary: It's an admission of American decline.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxWAZSY1Zc

[Bill Ryan]

Yesterday, I wrote this:


I feel I have to say: I do not have a good feeling about this. :worried:

Exactly why, I'm not totally sure, though I have a few ideas. I'm going to spend the next few days meditating on this to figure out what I might possibly be able to 'see'.So far, what I may have been able to 'see' is that this will not end well. :worried:

That's just the simplest summary at the moment, but I'm pretty certain of it. It's hammering away at my intuition, wherever this is coming from.

There may be positive spin-offs, of course. I'll not shed a single tear about the end of globalization, the demise of the EU, or the strengthening of BRICS. But it has to be possible that it may hasten the collapse of the US economy, with millions of already struggling people suffering significantly in the US, while countries in (e.g) Africa will be hit hard as well. (However, Russia and China will do what they can to support them.)

As Chris Martenson has often pointed out, in a highly complex system no outcomes can be predicted with certainty once it becomes disrupted, as no part of it is simply cause-and-affect 'linear'.

And that means that Trump and his team, even with the most advanced AI economic programs at their disposal, can't predict exactly what will happen either.

What you get instead from the disruption of a complex system are emergent properties. One of the 'emergent properties' in this case will be a very different geopolitical landscape (possibly a good thing), but maybe with the inevitable introduction of CBDCs everywhere after a monster financial crisis — NOT a good thing at all.

Back in President McKinley's day, 125 years ago, the world was far, far simpler. It seems it has to be fairly clear that modeling strategies on policies that might have worked back then can't and won't work in the same way now.

[SilentFeathers]

I feel I have to say: I do not have a good feeling about this. :worried:

I feel the same.

I feel what ever they are doing is extremely dangerous. One of the most dangerous things one can do another is mess with their money and financial security.

The global markets are leaking at the seams and I imagine many world leaders are pissed. Wars have started due to financial strangulation before.

I'm trying to remain optomistic but I feel a knot in my gut about this.

[ClearWater]

Take it for what it's worth - one persons gut feeling, and I would never claim to be a reliable source because I've been both right and wrong innumerable times. But, I'm not feeling any clear negativity or danger related to this. I'm not actually feeling anything strongly one way or another. I kind of feel like it's very possible for it to go either well or poorly, but that there's not a clear leaning in either direction.

[sllim11]

so i do not know anything about this topic or understand tariffs. that said, why would he be doing this? is he clueless or does he want america to fail or does he know something we don't know? it does seem very scary. could he be playing chess not checkers? i mean he wants to be seen in a good light so why would he be doing this if it's so catastrophic? i am very confused smh! does anyone have any ideas?

[Bruce G Charlton]

"So far, what I may have been able to 'see' is that this will not end well."

In my opinion, this move is by its intention nothing to do with economics as such, nothing to do with debates how how best to run an economy; but a deniable attempt to induce a global economic crisis from the same kind of people (and entities) who are trying to engineer world war, world famine etc.

"They" want to drag people into rehearsing an economic debate where both sides are wrong (and of evil intent), in which we will end up trying to defend the indefensible.

The main thing is to recognize that all sides of the geopolitical policies on the table - in the mass media, emanating from The West - are malign.

In theory and with good intentions one side may be somewhat less evil than another - but when intentions are bad, then this is a distinction without a significant difference.

[onawah]

Or, as visionary Rudolf Steiner father of Anthroposophy foresaw, the "War of All Against All" has commenced, imho.
He also foresaw the "vaccination" which would separate people from their souls, and I think that is a good explanation for the kind of insanity we see becoming rampant.
Another cause is the vulnerability of human beings to energies from the Sun which are amplified now that the planets' magnetic layer is diminishing.
And in my opinion, all the machinations of the Trump Admin. (as well as those of other world "leaders") is leading to a globalized CBDC, which would give the globalists the kind of control they have always dreamed of (or so they imagine).
That doesn't necessarily mean that Trump or Elon understand now they are taking part in this agenda imho, but they would have to be very dense not to "get it" eventually. Although by then, it could be too late... :clock:


Rudolf Steiner on "soulless" people & vaccines.
(It's ironic that Trump helped to create just the kind of "soulless", Vaxxed people who are now suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome with his Vaxx policy on "Warp Speed". )

The quote from Steiner I first saw posted on Project Avalon in various threads reads as follows:
"In the future, we will eliminate the soul with medicine. Under the pretext of a ‘healthy point of view’, there will be a vaccine by which the human body will be treated as soon as possible directly at birth, so that the human being cannot develop the thought of the existence of soul and Spirit.
To materialistic doctors, will be entrusted the task of removing the soul of humanity. As today, people are vaccinated against this disease or that disease, so in the future, children will be vaccinated with a substance that can be produced precisely in such a way that people, thanks to this vaccination, will be immune to being subjected to the “madness” of spiritual life. He would be extremely smart, but he would not develop a conscience, and that is the true goal of some materialistic circles.
With such a vaccine, you can easily make the etheric body loose in the physical body. Once the etheric body is detached, the relationship between the universe and the etheric body would become extremely unstable, and man would become an automaton, for the physical body of man must be polished on this Earth by spiritual will. So, the vaccine becomes a kind of arymanique force; man can no longer get rid of a given materialistic feeling. He becomes materialistic of constitution and can no longer rise to the spiritual."

(Ahriman is essentially another name for Satan. I've never seen that spelling with a "y" before --"arymanique". )
No book, essay or lecture source of that quote from Steiner was provided that I've seen, however I found this:
https://www.oom2.com/t73827-in-1917-rudolf-steiner-foresaw-a-vaccine-that-would-drive-all-inclination-toward-spirituality-out-of-peoples-souls#156436

Taken from the large archive of Steiner's work here:
https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA177/English/RSP1993/FalDar_index.html

I haven't read it all, but I did find an excerpt about vaccines in lecture 13 at:
https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA177/English/RSP1993/19171027p01.html

LECTURE 13 The Fallen Spirits' Influence in the World
"I have told you that the spirits of darkness are going to inspire their human hosts, in whom they will be dwelling, to find a vaccine that will drive all inclination towards spirituality out of people's souls when they are still very young, and this will happen in a roundabout way through the living body. Today, bodies are vaccinated against one thing and another; in future, children will be vaccinated with a substance which it will certainly be possible to produce, and this will make them immune, so that they do not develop foolish inclinations connected with spiritual life — ‘foolish’ here, of course, in the eyes of materialists."

The full series of 14 lectures (or essays) entitled Fall of the Spirits of Darkness can be purchased in book form from Amazon and other sources as well.

I contacted the facilitator of the archive at:e.Librarian <elibrarian@elib.com
...to see if he could tell me where to find that first quote.

He replied:"Translated text can be very difficult to find, as different translators express what Steiner said differently."
and
"While the RS Archive has quite a bit of material, it does not have ALL of the material! There are around 2000 lectures that remain untranslated into English and several hundred articles, essays, etc.. As I mentioned, different translators present what Steiner said in different ways. With that in mind, the exact quote you are looking for may be hard to find! I do know that unless a Steiner quote is cited, it is probably not real! There are those forces out there that want to present their own agenda, and will deliberately offer proof by creating something that Steiner might have said, or that puts a different slant on what was actually said.

When I started the RS Archive some 40+ years ago, three of the big names in Anthroposophy at that time encouraged me to create the initiative, but also cautioned me that there are forces that do not want me to succeed, nor do they want Anthroposophy to succeed, and they will come at you from places where you least expect it. This, in my experience, has come true over and over again! Each of us has to evaluate all things, of ourselves, through our own means. Steiner has said several times that we should not believe anything he says! We should, of ourselves, find the truth in everything. Biblical scholars have been predicting the second coming and the end of the Earth being eminent, for centuries. While this might happen, it probably will not, for quite some time, at least not on the physical plane.

That said, run an RS Archive search on the single word, "vaccine", or "vaccinate", and you will get a list of choices the Archive has on those subjects:
https://wn.rsarchive.org/search=mode?query=vaccine&mode=context
https://wn.rsarchive.org/search=mode?query=vaccinate&mode=context
And! Don't believe anything I say!! Find out, of yourself. The journey is the important thing."

Dark Journalist discusses Steiner , the Theosophists and Edgar Cayce's works in many of his online shows.

Here are some which have been posted on Project Avalon recently:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network-16-March-2018&p=1415568&viewfull=1#post1415568

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network-16-March-2018&p=1409422&viewfull=1#post1409422

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network-16-March-2018&p=1409333&viewfull=1#post1409333

--These last two feature Gigi Young, a psychic who is well versed in Anthroposophy and Theosophy. She gives talks and does readings from her sites here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo_fdaL6nGtL3fjyP8NsNaw
and
https://gigiyoung.com/shop/?tx_product_cat=courses



What they're doing by "defending Ukraine" is dressing up their hatred for Trump as a virtue. And it's not obvious to me that all of them are aware of it. There's a brainwashing or a possession of some sort in play here; I know we've discussed it on the forum but it's original cause remains elusive.

100% :handshake:

For anyone socially who will listen this has been my comment, and more than once. If there was any other incumbent holding this office there's every chance - maybe -that they'd all be rallying around for a peaceful resolution. It's because it's Donald Trump.

Posted over here earlier (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129324-This-DEEP-DIVISION-is-Very-troubling&p=1659350&viewfull=1#post1659350), but, I'll repost it here as it speaks to what you've written:


Again, referencing Rudolf Steiner via Bernhard Guenther (https://x.com/veilofreality/status/1897856521113137297), here:


Demonic entities are attracted to the spiritual "spiritual vacuum" we currently live in, caused by a materialistic worldview and mindset that denies the spiritual reality. It is reinforced by passive living and over-identification with the physical body.

In today's materialistic world, most people seek comfort and convenience without spiritual growth, leading to a loss of deeper connection to their true selves.

This lifestyle keeps people disconnected from their souls, creating a "spiritual vacuum" that serves as an entry point for hostile spirits.

Excessive media consumption, disembodiment, head-centric living, and dissociation weaken the soul connection, making individuals susceptible to external occult influences without their awareness.

As people withdraw from Divine aspiration and inspiration, their physical bodies become exposed to control by non-human occult hostile forces.

Rudolf Steiner warned that future generations would have weakened or absent souls because of this “spiritual vacuum”, making their bodies vulnerable to occupation by demonic entities.

He also emphasized the importance of learning how to deal with evil, which will inevitably lead to encountering one’s own inner shadow and evil within. It is the cure to eventually transmute and dissolve all evil.

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"In ancient Greece, the body was still filled out by the entire human soul. Nowadays, that is no longer the case.

Bodies remain empty to a certain extent. But in reality, nothing in the world remains empty.

With the human soul withdrawing more and more from the body [due to over-identification with the physical body and lack of soul embodiment], the body is increasingly in danger of being filled with something else.

And if human beings are not prepared to take up impulses which can only come from spiritual knowledge [and practice], the body will be filled with demonic powers.

Humanity is facing a destiny where the body may be filled with ahrimanic demonic powers.

This shows the complexity of life to come. It is reasonable to say that there will be situations in the future when it will be difficult to know who one is dealing with."

- Rudolf Steiner (1917)




"So far, what I may have been able to 'see' is that this will not end well."

In my opinion, this move is by its intention nothing to do with economics as such, nothing to do with debates how how best to run an economy; but a deniable attempt to induce a global economic crisis from the same kind of people (and entities) who are trying to engineer world war, world famine etc.

"They" want to drag people into rehearsing an economic debate where both sides are wrong (and of evil intent), in which we will end up trying to defend the indefensible.

The main thing is to recognize that all sides of the geopolitical policies on the table - in the mass media, emanating from The West - are malign.

In theory and with good intentions one side may be somewhat less evil than another - but when intentions are bad, then this is a distinction without a significant difference.

[jaybee]

so i do not know anything about this topic or understand tariffs. that said, why would he be doing this? is he clueless or does he want america to fail or does he know something we don't know? it does seem very scary. could he be playing chess not checkers? i mean he wants to be seen in a good light so why would he be doing this if it's so catastrophic? i am very confused smh! does anyone have any ideas?


I think Trump's aims with the reciprocal tariffs is to level the playing field - to benefit the American worker and boost the American economy -

At the same time this pulls the brakes on the One World Government Globalist Plan - because America has been used to finance the Globalist Agenda (ie through USAID and other ways - one of those 'other ways' being the imbalance in trading tariffs where America taxpayers become like a NWO charity to help other countries while allowing neglect of their own economic affairs...) -

There's also the whole business of the dollar having been the world's reserve currency which generated wealth for the US but that's coming to an end ? and the massive debt and continual money printing was rising and rising (exponentially?)- so to prevent America going bankrupt something had to be done..... that's what I think is going on - although I'm more on the philosophy and art side of things rather than economics... :) .... so I hope I'm grasping the situation correctly...

There is a post from mountain_jim on the Tucker Carlson thread HERE (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115734-Tucker-Carlson&p=1663050&viewfull=1#post1663050)....... an interview where Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent explains the administration’s new tariffs, and why we had to do something to stop the slide.

that explains details that I can't....

basically I think what you see is more or less what you get with Trump and although he is sometimes like a Bull in a China Shop... :)..... and when it comes to the Tariffs this is literally what he is - curbing Chinese exports to America by stopping the Globalist's - the NWO's 'charitable' tariff imbalance ....

re the bolded in your quote - well you DID ask.... :-) - and don't forget to factor in the 24/7 anti Trump PSYOP that creates confusion and the mental condition called Trump Derangement Syndrome - THAT is making people nervous about Trumps radical, revolutionary attempt to rescue the US economy.....and at the same time weaken the Deep State covert plans -

:thumbsup:

[DNA]

I don't think you can rely on economics professors and the like for a real answer and or solution.

They simply don't have the necessary information to make a formula that could come close to showing what is going on.

And even in the arena of known quantities it's like they wear blinders and review economic strategies from the 18th century.

In a world with businesses drastically subsidized by their home country and or in the case of China using slave labor via their prison system...
Tariffs are the least we can do to defend our regional economies.

[norman]

I feel I have to say: I do not have a good feeling about this. :worried:

I feel the same.

I feel what ever they are doing is extremely dangerous. One of the most dangerous things one can do another is mess with their money and financial security.

The global markets are leaking at the seams and I imagine many world leaders are pissed. Wars have started due to financial strangulation before.

I'm trying to remain optimistic but I feel a knot in my gut about this.

The elephant in the room is a pending declaration of war by the United States.

The country has been attacked and hit. It either rolls over and dies, or fights a full blown defensive war and wins it. It's no good any of us chattering away about "dangerous". It's war and America didn't start it.

There's an audience inertia that is still stuck in the fake peace trance. This is not peace time. A marauding enemy is trampling across the world hell bent on total global victory and domination. We can choose to bend over or we can choose to defend ourselves. For most of us, the worst that can happen is about the same, either way.

For myself, I'm primarily choosing a 'side' spiritually more than by physicality. In this world, that seems to manifest in a way that's more about opposing one side more determinedly than opposing the other side. Neither side is my 'home team' spiritually. They all jack around with manipulative games to rewire my natural faith to run through their political and ideological circuits as 'current times potential difference equals power'.

President Trump’s Tariffs Broke China
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[Merkaba360]

I've worked deeply in statecraft with various governments and heads of state, examining tradeoffs among all levers of state power—military, economic, human capital, etc. Trump's playbook is multifaceted, but most observers analyze it in silos and miss the bigger picture. - Tanvi Ratna

https://x.com/tanvi_ratna/status/1907880105369845865

Dang I really like this lady's rundown on what's going with the whole economic and trump NWO which gives further insight into the tariffs. Makes sense that one big reason for the tariffs is to bring down the 10 year yield to refinance the debt. I didn't know that.

Makes alot more sense when you see the calculations below, that the tariffs are needed to bring the 10 year yield down from 4.79% (janaury 2025 and highest since 2007, when it crashed cuz of the housing crisis), which he already did somewhat in just 2 months.

According to AI , currently the average yield for the $36.5 Trillion debt is 3.3%. So, I'd guess they want to drive it down to at least 3% and refinance as early as possible to lock in the next 10 years. That gives enough time to build up manufacturing and huge leaps in tech innovation with AI and such.

In just 2 months Mr. T. got the 10 year yield down 0.62% (was at 4.79%), as of April 4 its down 0.78% (4.01%). About $15 trillion of the debt needs to be refinanced in 2025 and 2026. That would save $117 BILLION per year for paying interest on the debt. $285 billion/yr if saved 0.78% on the whole debt.

The yield has gotten as low as ~0.5% in the past but rare. Driving it down to 2-3.0% is possible and which it was during Trumps first term (0.9 % in 2020 for covid scare) I assume the rates that need to be refinanced in 2025 are whatever they were around 2015. Looking more into it, that time period rates were around 1.8-2.5% Its only been since 2022 that its been above 3%.

So, imagine how bad the debt woulda got with Biden in office paying 4.8% up from 2% ten years ago on the debt that is due. Trump will push hard to get it back down to near that. I heard a prediction of another pandemic, but this one short lived. Imagine if they engineered a short term scare like that to get it down super low like 2020.

I get so tired of reading comments who are so sure the plan is utterly stupid or whatever, ignoring that the alternative was to let them keep playing the same game and create hyperinflation until a horrible depression has us on our knees and then present their nefarious digital reset. God forbid have an efficient non wasteful economy and be hard nosed in business deals. Somehow that's bullying and pissing on all your "friends" who are doing the same thing. lol

If DOGE can go worldwide and erase 20% of govt' waste/fraud spending, thats quite an improvement to help increase the standard of living.

What do y'all think about her views on tariffs and connection to refinancing the debt ? anything im missing?

[Sirus]

I'm giving it 6 months before I pass any judgement. The best thing the UK could do now is offer a reciprocal 0% tariff and negotiate the same from Trump. We'd then become a phenomenal trading hub to America, used by Europe and beyond.

[Merkaba360]

Maybe they are willing to create enough hardship to crack the EU and China. A revolution in China almost surely ends communism there and probably North Korea by proxy. Vietnam is communist and has a 46% tariff as well. Cambodia is kinda socialist or something arent they, thats 49%. In the US, it wouldnt uproot the constitution. So, if things go bad, that might be the positive.

Maybe they are sending a huge message and a big enough shock to get the 10 year yield down, refinance the debt, say "psych" and then reduce many tariffs. Keep the ones that are needed to ensure US sovereignty via essential manufacturing.

Maybe its the art of the deal. Ive got more balls and am crazier than you. Re-negotiate or else. Then, he gets to settle for good deals that seem nice compared to the crazy ones that were imposed based off of exaggerated tariffs on the US.

People gotta quit talking about this stuff like trump is unilaterally doing all of this. These are secret society factions. They got really deep knowledge on everything, even though the system is so complex and beyond anyones ability to foresee all outcomes. They aren't just making nonsensical decisions cuz Trump just has no clue.

[I am B]

As an european, I can see how this is being used as a "shock and awe" strategy to massively push a CBDCs and digital identity system. And this doesn't feel as an oportunistic thing at all, its is being done in collaboration EU+US.

"Putin is going to attack us and Trump is breaking the economy, we need to find an alternative for us. Digital identity. Digital money. All under european control."

Spain is bringing up mandatory app supported identity cards by next year, and bills are getting a rule reform that makes it easier to take them out of circulation.

I feel this is just to get people fooled, create shock, and push undercover agendas. I wonder which ones will be in the US, but it seems obvious to me which ones are being pushed in the EU.

Seems very plausible to me that the next step in the US would be a narrative or event (even a black swan), or basically "a shock" to push CBDCs there too.

[Bill Ryan]

I found this very interesting. The reason I'm posting this Megan Kelly video is because at 2:03 there's a short clip of 41-year old Donald Trump talking to 34-year old Oprah Winfrey way back in 1988 — about tariffs.

This may be useful context to his current actions, showing that (rightly or wrongly!) his views on the issue have remained unchanged for the last 36+ years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5bRSbH4UUc

[sllim11]

weird i did not make that in bold letters when i posted ?

anyway, yeah the end of globalization and bringing everything back home to america, that makes sense. Not sending billions to ukraine and isreal sounds good to me.

also, yeah the trump deranged syndrome and the elon deranged syndrome is real and happening rn in los angeles. there are some people putting stickers over their tesla emblem on their cars and people are ditching their tesla bc they don't want to be associated. smh. LA is crazy town about all of this. like if you say you do not/did not like biden/harris you are ostracized !!! makes me want to move lol.

i heard today newsom wants to do his own tarrifs, meaning california won't have those tariffs! LA LA LAND

[jaybee]

weird i did not make that in bold letters when i posted ?

anyway, yeah the end of globalization and bringing everything back home to america, that makes sense. Not sending billions to ukraine and isreal sounds good to me.

also, yeah the trump deranged syndrome and the elon deranged syndrome is real and happening rn in los angeles. there are some people putting stickers over their tesla emblem on their cars and people are ditching their tesla bc they don't want to be associated. smh. LA is crazy town about all of this. like if you say you do not/did not like biden/harris you are ostracized !!! makes me want to move lol.

i heard today newsom wants to do his own tarrifs, meaning california won't have those tariffs! LA LA LAND


re the bolded (by me) above...... :whistle: ...... no that was me - I bolded it and I suppose I should have said - 'bolded by me'..... :)

What you said about being ostracized for stepping out of line re Biden/Harris in LA .... I think a big part of the anti Trump / anti Musk PSYOP is to conjure up the fear of being ostracized - because it's a powerful primitive emotion that, at it's root, is about survival instincts - in times gone by if a member of a group/tribe was ostracized that could mean death for them..... :/

[jaybee]

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Latest report from 'RJ Talks'.....

about the Tariffs - the time scale - Elon speaking about Free Trade - Scot Bessent, secretary of the Treasury making some very interesting comments about how he and the Trump Administration are seeking to lift the bottom 50% of the economic hierarchy out of a desperate situation where even working families have to use the food banks... I mean - isn't this supposed to be the Democrat's area of interest...? but we can be sure they won't be supporting it - because.... because..... 'Orange Man Bad'..... and agree with him at your (career) peril....

about the Soros family spending vast amounts of money to HIRE protesters to get out on the streets so it looks like ordinary people - the grass roots are against Elon Musk and DOGE - but they are basically EMPLOYED by some factions of the mega rich Globalists who are loosing money and influence and have their backs against the wall...?

about curbing the power of Federal District Judges to interfere in Nationwide presidential decisions....
and some strange dictates from Gavin Newsom about older children using booster cushions in cars and sitting in the back seat - sometimes because of their height.... I'm wondering what adults of short stature will be allowed to do if this is a pressing issue...? :)


Treasury Secretary Slips BIG Hint About Trump Tariff Strategy With Tucker Carlson (18:22)


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[norman]

The freest of free markets has always been the investment market.

What is most likely to happen if or when currencies around the world buckle and crumble in the tariffs storm. ?

Investors will have to gamble on where the best safe haven is. There's only so much gold.

They're going to have to pick a currency and hang their hats on it. I guess the 'Trump' people are counting on that currency being the external US dollar, by the time they've exposed the attack on America is about to be countered with a very big stick.

[lunaflare]

My brain is not able to comprehend tariffs and the whole shake up going on in terms of trade etc. I feel President Trump knows what he is doing and making America "strong" economically is his vision. The operative word is "feel". Do I know? Nope.
DJT does not like to fail. He is not an evil man, imho, and nor as his team players.

Neptune moved to zero point Aries...potent and not the norm.
Paradigms are shifting. Radically. How we deal with currency is more individuated --each country unto itself--perhaps--rather than the hold of globalization.

[rgray222]

I saw this and couldn't help but think of the Trump tariffs.

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a0e6PmZ_460svav1.mp4

[sylviawong]

I have some background in economics and finance. Over the past few centuries, periods of rising globalization have coincided with times of peace, while periods of declining globalization have been marked by war.

[shaberon]

What do y'all think about her views on tariffs and connection to refinancing the debt ? anything im missing?


Yes, this is the critical aspect to be looking at.

Firstly, as a staunch Anti-Federalist, I am going to say at a certain level this is the "correct" move, however, it is being performed by rank amateurs who were appointed to their positions, and one of these buffoons publicly admitted to not knowing that Fort Knox had not been audited in ages.

In the strict sense, the federal government's only legitimate source of income is tariffs. What does that mean? Repeal income tax, beeyotch. Oh, wait, you forgot to do that first.

The ideal is rather than them stealing my money, I voluntarily agree to paying a little extra for something from other countries.

I have no problem with that. Within reason, a surcharge on imported goods is fine.

Of course, at the same time, it is true we have that kind of capitalist who likes "outsourcing" and exploiting all kinds of loopholes to get cheap foreign labor, and these are no better because they believe in charging me income tax too.

We are at an impasse, because either way, the country has been seized by Fascists of some kind or another.


Thanks to this fake, messed-up ball of wax primarily called Income Tax and the Federal Reserve, we are living in a war machine that thrives on Treasury Bonds and hence their yields, volume of sales, etc., which has primarily expanded by American military force in the post-World War II era.

Secondly, because this operates as obvious genocidal megalomania, these people cannot be allowed to hold these offices.

Should something go wrong with the program of Treasuries, it is practically guaranteed the United States will attack something in a major way. This is consistent with the history of finance in Europe and America. Before these modern tweaks, it would simply be called War Debt. Technically, the oldest central bank is in Sweden, but one should note this comes from a time when debt generated by a king was his personal debt.

And so what you have is a system that has moved the obligation onto the shoulders of the people.

If I glance at the Debt Clock (https://www.usdebtclock.org/) right now, the debt per citizen is $107k, but per taxpayer it is $323k.

It's a sport of concealing that from you.

The "citizen" and everyone else isn't paying for that, you are.

In a few months they will re-convene to figure out how to keep up the payments, if they make it that far. I hope not.

The trick is, that kind of debt shouldn't be happening. I'm not trying to sustain those payments. Yes, of course it is technically true that fiddling with some of those percentages will save a little cash, but of course so would drawing down the entire superstructure to its proper size, which is next to nothing. And quietly.

It's just a technicality about kicking the can. It happens to be a can of dire consequences. But those are from the causes that were put in there. Korea, Iran, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Libya...for this system.

[Merkaba360]

I have some background in economics and finance. Over the past few centuries, periods of rising globalization have coincided with times of peace, while periods of declining globalization have been marked by war.

maybe it depends on what globalization means, and this is the first time of globalization im aware of, so when was there declining globalization?

Im sure those past wars caused more isolationism and less global trade, what is the evidence that it was the reverse and the ending of trade caused the wars. Or was it that the tensions were already building for wars which means the angry leaders started economic wars on each other first cutting ties before leading to hot wars.

Of course globalization is more interconnectedness thru business which is positive. The problem is that we have a cabal that wants to consolidate into a global power and enslave the world in a technocracy. Think id rather have competing high tech robotic societies first to see how that goes so if any of the turn into a slave state there are other states that could stop it as well as places to run to. That is why people are resisting losing national sovereignty to these globalist organizations who clearly suck and are not loving.

[BMJ]

My brain is not able to comprehend tariffs and the whole shake up going on in terms of trade etc. I feel President Trump knows what he is doing and making America "strong" economically is his vision. The operative word is "feel". Do I know? Nope.
DJT does not like to fail. He is not an evil man, imho, and nor as his team players.

Neptune moved to zero point Aries...potent and not the norm.
Paradigms are shifting. Radically. How we deal with currency is more individuated --each country unto itself--perhaps--rather than the hold of globalization.

I'll see if I can help you with lunaflare.

Tariffs provide protection and stimulate local industry.

I'll give you an example say you buy a chinese made t-shirt for $5 the same USA made t-shirt sell at $10. Then president Trump bumps the tariff on chinese t-shirts say for example 100%.

Now that chinese made t-shirt sells for $10 because they have to add $5 dollars to sell price because of the addition of the tariff and it sells for $10 just like the t-shirt made in the USA.

Most people would like to support local so they would buy the t-shirt made in the USA.

Whats are the flow on effects of the tariffs?

Now because the company making t-shirts in the USA is suddenly selling alot more t-shirts because their t-shirt can now compete with the chinese t-shirts, that means they need more material and more workers.

Those companies providing the material to the T-shirt factory begin to expand their operations also.

Which means the workers and newly employed workers have more income as not only are there more jobs there is probably overtime to.

Then in a broader sense these employees at the t-shirt factory will have more money to spend which means they maybe buying better and more groceries, buy cars taking out home loans and going to the movies more often or eating out more often.

The t-shirt factory workers are inject their monies back into the economy and this has a positive affect across different industries.

The employer may also expand their business to increase production.

Now expand this example across any industry and how the extra income benefits other industries.

Then more industries benefit by the introduction of tariffs in their industry for example automotive, white goods or electronics.

But the pricing of these goods and living is going up ?

Initial yes, but then as the US economy as a whole begins to produce more and sell more the economy gets stronger and so does the US dollar.

So back to that example of the t-shirt now after the tariff and a period of time, the USA made t-shirt can be sold for about say $7. Due to mass production meaning lower production and overhead costs per t-shirt manufactured. This saving is passed of to the consumer as a lower selling price.

(This is why Ford can and is offering their vehicles at employee rates to the public)

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Then also because of the increased industry in the USA (which strengthens the economy) it means the value of the USA dollar goes up, meaning you can buy more for your dollar. So where before you could buy maybe just the t-shirt for $10 now you can buy the t-shirt for $7 and a coffee and donut at Gloria Jeans for all up $10.

At this point in time that t-shirt from china might still be selling at around $10, because they can't reduce their costs enough to compete with the USA made t-shirt. So they opt out of importing chinese t-shirts to the USA as they just can't compete.

Which is very bad for the chinese economy which relys on exports to the USA but very good for the US economy .

So the saving comes in part from the increased purchasing power of the dollar and reduced cost in manufacturing per unit.

Whats the other flow on effect?

Now that tariffs are enforced it means that product from overseas at the point of enter in the USA whether it is via a port of airport will need to be visual checked to confirm what it is and the quantity to ensure it is correctly tariffed.

Well hopefully it will be harder to import illegal drugs, traffic people and smuggle illegal weapons amongst other illegal activities as imports will be more carefully scrutinized, in a sense another form of border security.

Also the additional tariffs will be extra government revenue which translate to no more income tax, more money for infrastructure such as rail, roads, hospital and schools.

So now instead of the USA, since at least the 1970s, being over the barrel every other country is over the barrel and taking it, because the USA has the largest economy in the world.

( So chinese idea of expansion in the pacific and becoming a super power is a pipe dream, they are restrained by their soon to be shrinking economy, the CCP and culture and its going to be a long time before they dig themself out of that hole. )

I hope this helps and if you have anyone questions or if someone else has a better way of explaining tariffs feel free to correct me or give your point of view or ask a question.

P.S. From President Trumps Truth Social account

[Bruce G Charlton]

Headline news: Globalists - all over the globe, simultaneously - proclaim "The End of Globalisation..."

That's it - really.

Says it all.

Just think about it, please?

[SilentFeathers]

Headline news: Globalists - all over the globe, simultaneously - proclaim "The End of Globalisation..."

That's it - really.

Says it all.

Just think about it, please?

Gaslighting at its finest.

I wonder what new name they'll come up with for it....

[palehorse]

In my point of view this is what is called "controlled demolition", it feels there is 2 large elite groups that are not working together and probably hate each other, one is the globalists and the other is the technocrats (Trump is a technocrat along with Musk and many many others), so whoever win this battle that is not very clear in the open, will take over everything, so one part must die for the other survive. For me as always we make up our reality and we do not have to pick sides or slightly go along with anything, because that is the impression out there, like picking communism over fascism or vice-versa, it is the same ****ery. The tariffs are reciprocal of course and it is inevitable to not generate financial conflicts that will lead to larger conflicts.

It is all on purpose, things like this does not happen by chance or mistakes, they planned it for a very long and they are deploying in stages. So fasten your seat belts because we are approaching a huge hardship in the next few years, in my point of view the technocratic world will be installed and the globalist will have their asses kicked, so one can expect more and more control in a very unfair world where everything will be dictated by algorithms, you do what you were told or you are in real trouble.

I see more and more alternative lifestyles on the horizon, not talking about the over hyped BS out there on alt media and even on mainstream media now, I am talking about real people that can't take it anymore that won't accept technocracy or globalism anymore because now they start seeing the real colors of it and of course with so many crisis that will arise from it, all those people will be giving a f*** about it all, I am one of them and I would proudly die knowing I didn't took part on any of it.

In technocracy there is a term called "technates" which means basically "zones of influence", these zones are fully controlled by technocrats, with the tariffs rodeo it will probably fragment the world into these technates zones or blocs.

The world is a stage, however the real show are behind the scenes.

We will survive without globalism and technocracy and if not it was a great pleasure to be here.

[Rizotto]

Headline news: Globalists - all over the globe, simultaneously - proclaim "The End of Globalisation..."

That's it - really.

Says it all.

Just think about it, please?

Yep, it's becoming a little too synchronized and obvious... Add to that the fact that since 9/11 trillions US $$$ were printed out of thin air to fund I$rael's endless genocidal wars of expansion. And the Trump camp is now trying to blame 'trade imbalance' for USA's economic problems. Once again, they're trying to trick us with 'don't look there, look over here'.
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Really interesting interview: Jeff Berwick begins with the fact that the US revolution was started with strong opposition to England's 2% tariffs on tea...


"Jeff Berwick is a financial freedom advocate, entrepreneur, and founder of The Dollar Vigilante, The Crypto Vigilante, and the annual liberty conference Anarchapulco. He is the best-selling author of Controlled Demolition of the American Empire—a bold exposé on how the globalist elites are systematically collapsing the U.S. from within. After being banned from nearly every major platform for speaking inconvenient truths, Jeff now shares his insights directly with his audience. Follow him on X at @DollarVigilante for uncensored updates on finance, freedom, and escaping the matrix."

Are Patriots Are Being Deceived? Why Trump and Elon Might Be the Globalists' Greatest Weapons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4iC2JgSBt4

[bojancan]

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs discusses the tariffs and economic coercion that diminish trust and restructure the international economy. How will trade be reorganised, how will the US dollar be impacted, and how will the world learn to live without the US at the centre of the international economy?


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63.9K subscribers

Jeffrey Sachs: Chaos & Restructuring of the Global Economy

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[rgray222]

Not only is China one of the highest tariffed countries in the world they are masters currency manipulators. The cost of China's currency manipulation to the US economy is difficult to quantify, but it is estimated to be in the billions of dollars each year. A weak yuan makes Chinese exports more competitive, which can hurt US manufacturers and lead to job losses in the US.

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[BMJ]

Cry Me A River China

China was happy for the USA to live on food stamps and in tent cities and become a third world country all in an effort to save China, well now the shoes on the other foot China.

I say to President Trump play chicken with China keep upping the tariffs until it really hurts because we know China will have to relent.

To Lin western countries don't need you second rate products so go away we don't want your crap anymore.


China calls US tariffs 'bullying', urged others to continue with consultation

BEIJING, April 7 (Reuters) - Threats and pressure are not the right way to deal with China, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said on Monday after describing U.S. President Donald Trump's "reciprocal tariffs" as bullying.

The tariffs are "typical unilateralism and protectionism, and economic bullying", spokesperson Lin Jian told a regular press conference. He said that U.S. tariffs in the name of reciprocity only served its own interest at the expense of other countries.

Last week, Trump introduced an additional 34% tariff on Chinese goods as part of steep levies imposed on most U.S. trade partners, bringing the total duties on China this year to 54%. China retaliated with a series of countermeasures.

Lin deferred to other bodies the question of whether China would engage in negotiations with the United States.

U.S. customs agents have been collecting Trump's unilateral 10% tariff on all imports from many countries since Saturday.

"The abuse of tariffs by the United States is tantamount to depriving countries, especially those in the Global South, of their right to development," Lin said, citing a widening gap between the rich and poor in each country, and less developed countries suffering a greater impact.

Link: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-calls-us-tariffs-bullying-urged-others-continue-with-consultation-2025-04-07/

[norman]

EU Ready to Negotiate "Zero-for-Zero" Tariffs after Threatening to Retaliate

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[jaybee]

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I'm not American but I can see why the US couldn't carry on down the road to economic ruin that they were on.... dishing out billions and trillions of dollars to God knows who all the time - (exposed by DOGE) covertly funding the Globalist Elite's agenda -

Trump makes past Presidents look like CEOs of a ginormous NWO charity - funding countries abroad (like China for example) with tariff imbalances and dishing out millions/billions/trillions to groups and individuals in all corners of the world.... for 'things' sometimes 'things' that don't even exist ....

It looks like the 'coup de grâce' was about to finish off America if Harris and the Democrats managed to cheat their way into the Presidency again -

Till the Trump Cavalry came over the hill.... :)

[mountain_jim]

Heidi V CHANNEL27
@1HeidVandenberg

My stock drop is comical compared to my crypto swings!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gn6OIBgbsAAKnUH?format=jpg&name=900x900

[norman]

Seth Holehouse (Man In America) plays 2 short videos here that might help to understand what's going on in the Trump camp with the tariffs policy push.

Trump even re-truthed the second clip.


I dread posting Man In America videos here because they are so ruined by his multiple advertising interruptions but in this case I'll make an exception for the sake of showing the 2 video clips.

The video should start at 4 mins 50 seconds.

https://rumble.com/v6rp2ar-is-trump-crashing-the-market-on-purpose-follow-the-gold-w-john-perez.html?start=288

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[TrumanCash]

Brighteon Broadcast News, Apr 7, 2025 – Survive the MARKET MELTDOWN… reject the panic and seize the opportunities

Mike Adams views on tariffs and what's happening now.

https://www.brighteon.com/0d684f3d-a4fb-4a8e-87b2-7c58be483dd3||

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Market Panic and Initial Analysis (0:10)

- Trump's Tariff Lies and Global Reactions (5:04)

- Short-Term Market Dynamics and Long-Term Opportunities (13:39)

- Negotiation Tactics and Market Recovery (14:16)

- Bank Failures and Investment Strategies (23:06)

- Geopolitical Implications and Market Predictions (43:03)

- Preparation for Economic Uncertainty (1:00:15)

- Historical Context and Future Outlook (1:01:00)

- Final Thoughts and Investment Advice (1:18:38)

- Debt System and Economic Collapse (1:21:57)

- Robots and Economic Reality (1:24:16)

- Preparation and Self-Reliance (1:26:12)

- Book Review: "The Coming Battle" (1:28:18)

- Economic Manipulation and Financial Panics (1:30:55)

- Modern Financial Crisis and Gold (1:43:47)

- Trade Wars and Economic Impact (1:48:23)

- Geopolitical Tensions and Military Threats (1:58:13)

- Chemtrails and Environmental Impact (2:08:12)

- Preparation and Survival Strategies (2:28:12)

- Iran's Nuclear Capabilities and Global Tensions (2:32:57)

- Russia's Military Strength and Intelligence (2:43:31)

- US Military Preparedness and Global Conflict (2:47:48)

- Preparation for Potential Conflict (2:52:17)

- Geopolitical Tensions and Strategic Moves (2:54:34)

- Final Thoughts and Practical Advice (3:24:42

[bojancan]

Excellent... as always! So much videos lately with dr.Jefrey Sachs... here a good one also with the Duran... latest video..

Tariff wars and peace talks w/ Jeffrey Sachs (Live)

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[Jaak]

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[Arcturian108]

Yawn. All this wringing of hands over tariffs--BORING. I will only worry about any of this if Trump reverses himself on letting central bank digital currencies happen in the States.

[BMJ]

Coal Burn Baby Burn

Links: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114304485284360133

[Bill Ryan]

More from Jeffrey Sachs about all this, the first hour of this new Duran video. He is adamant that Trump's new tariff policies are disastrous for everyone, and explains why in terms that seem easy to understand.

Tariff wars and peace talks, with Jeffrey Sachs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjvAiLs_92k

[jaybee]

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short clip of remarks made by Trump about the tariffs (yesterday at a Republican gathering)


'We're making a fortune with tariffs': Trump says despite market tumult (1:07)

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as an aside.... I like Trump's new look with his natural hair colour - he is aging well and looks distinguished -

[norman]

A punch in the CCPs solar plexus just ahead of telling the whole world America is coming for all the perpetrators of the attack on it makes sense to me.

The SHT stirring assholes in Europe rely on 'superpowers' to deliver their black magic to the world. America has just said, go F yourselves and China is probably about to have such big problems of it's own it won't be able to fetch their ball either.



Kyle Bass: Why the Chinese Economy is Going to Collapse
3 months ago


This is the 30 minute TV version of Jan Jekielek’s interview with Kyle Bass. The longer-form version was released on Epoch TV on December 26, 2024

Kyle Bass is the founder and chief investment officer of Hayman Capital Management, and he’s known for his prescient bets on major global economic events.

In this episode, we dive into why he believes China’s economy is collapsing, why Bytedance hasn’t sold TikTok despite a looming January deadline, and what he believes the big economic and financial priorities of the incoming Trump administration should be.

Kyle Bass about the incoming Trump administration: “I think the roadmap that the Trump administration has, starting January 20, is exactly what's needed. I agree with the roadmap wholeheartedly. And Scott Bessent’s vision of how the Treasury will act, and Elon Musk's vision on cost cutting, well, I think all of those things together create such a beautiful menagerie of growth and also fat cutting. You know, we need to be leaner, meaner, and we need to, we need to, we need to show our true economic potential. And I think with those people in charge, along with President Trump, I think we're going to be able to achieve that.”

Bass about Scott Bessent, Trump’s nominee for secretary of the treasury: “When you look at Scott Bessent, one thing you realize is that he doesn't need any more money. He doesn't need to go raise money from the Chinese or the Saudis or anyone afterwards. He is a pragmatist. He understands the plumbing of global capital flows better than anyone that was in the running, by far, and he also has a gravitas among global central bankers that is important. He doesn't have to earn it. He already has it. So when he steps in there on January 20 or January 21 he already has the world kind of mapped out and figured out. And so when you say, how is this going to change? We are not going to be taken advantage of the way we had been taken advantage of in the past.”

CHAPTER TITLES
0:00:00 - China's Domestic and Global Economic Challenges
0:05:32 - The Role of Real Estate and Demographic Shifts in China
0:10:21 - Concerns Around Chinese Stocks and VIEs
0:14:03 - Expectations for the New US Treasury Leadership
0:19:45 - Addressing Global Economic Imbalances and Inflation
0:24:15 - Opportunities and Challenges for the US Economy


About China’s economic problems: “China's banking system is twice as large as ours, in an economy substantially smaller than ours, in a world in which they've only been at call it advanced banking since 2002 they've only been at this 20 years, so they've got a lot of plates spinning, and they've got a lot of leverage, and almost 40% of bank assets in China are lent to domestic real estate. So if your real estate markets are down 30 to 50 and your economy is three and a half times leveraged, your banks and your banks are insolvent, you have a real problem, and their problem is larger than ours was during the global financial crisis.”

Kyle Bass about China’s dependence on crude oil and gas imports as well as food imports and the US dollar: “China imports about 13 million barrels of crude oil every day. That is the world's largest importer of crude oil. They import almost nine BCF of LNG every day. They are the largest importer of LNG in the world. They import 40% of their food every single day, and all of those imports they have to pay dollars for. So where do they get the dollars? Is the question, and they have to keep a robust trade relationship in dollars with us to be able to pay for their daily operations with the rest of the world, because they have a closed capital account. Their RMB is not convertible into anything, unless the Chinese party allows it to happen. They control that escape valve. So it's really an artificial exchange rate, closed capital account. Internal disaster. But they've made a lot of money by being the world's factory floor. They made it two ways, right? They've been the world's factory floor since 2002 and then they started stealing Intellectual Property.”



https://rumble.com/v67624g-kyle-bass-why-the-chinese-economy-is-going-to-collapse.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/1910022193230098658

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1910028428222554129

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https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1910021752933015978

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[T Smith]

Cry Me A River China

China was happy for the USA to live on food stamps and in tent cities and become a third world country all in an effort to save China, well now the shoes on the other foot China.

I say to President Trump play chicken with China keep upping the tariffs until it really hurts because we know China will have to relent.



At roughly a 4:1 trade imbalance, it looks like Trump is driving a bus and Xi Jinping a Volkswagen bug in this particular game of chicken... All other things being equal (which they may not be) not too hard to guess who might swerve first

[bojancan]

Every morning very good analysis from Alexander... I was very curious about his observation in these moments .... this is from today...

China Hits Back, Trump Wants Deal, Tariffs Explode; Russian Offensive Gains Speed, AfD Overtakes CDU

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Trump's administration is beyond nasty and vile... Peasants are means ... to be poor... uneducated ones.... and if you are borrowing from peasants... what does that make you Vance?😂😂
US was borrowing from China for decades...

JD Vance under fire after calling Chinese workers "peasants"
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[Ravenlocke]

Text:
Chinese Ministry of Commerce: From 12:01 p.m. on April 10, the export of dual-use items to these 12 firms – including American Photonics, Novotech, Inc. and Echodyne – will be prohibited, while any ongoing related export activities must be stopped immediately.

The other nine entities are Marvin Engeering Company, Inc., Exovera, Teledyne Brown Engineering, Inc., BRINC Drones, Inc., SYNEXXUS, Inc., Firestorm Labs, Inc., Kratos Unmanned Aerial Systems, Inc., Domo Tactical Communications and Insitu, Inc.
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[SilentFeathers]

Cry Me A River China

China was happy for the USA to live on food stamps and in tent cities and become a third world country all in an effort to save China, well now the shoes on the other foot China.

I say to President Trump play chicken with China keep upping the tariffs until it really hurts because we know China will have to relent.



At roughly a 4:1 trade imbalance, it looks like Trump is driving a bus and Xi Jinping a Volkswagen bug in this particular game of chicken... All other things being equal (which they may not be) not too hard to guess who might swerve first

According to all of the "experts", we should be seeing a total stock market collapse and we all should be in a food line waiting for a small chunk of cheese right now.

The wide spread stupidity is fascinating, no one seems to have a clue.

China needs to stop trying to think this through and just do reciprocal tariffs like Trump wanted from the start before their currency turns to dust.

[Ravenlocke]

Text:
🇪🇺⚔️🇺🇸 BREAKING: EU Imposes 25% Tariffs on US Products

EU member states have approved a 25% tariff on a broad range of US goods, including almonds, orange juice, poultry, soybeans, steel, aluminium, tobacco, and yachts. The move comes in retaliation for the US's 25% tariffs on steel and aluminium imports from the EU.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1909968226592899423

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🇺🇸🇪🇺 U.S. Treasury Secretary Warns Europe: Siding with China on Tariffs Is ‘Cutting Your Own Throat’

Europe would be “cutting its own throat” if it chooses to align with China in a trade war against the United States, U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has warned.

Bessent argued that any country following China’s lead in imposing tariffs on American goods would be acting against its own economic interests.

“It’s like cutting your own throat,” he said, commenting on the possibility of European governments strengthening trade ties with Beijing.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1910006256841994306

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[Listkov]

Very excited at the potential upcoming market collapse. It's hardly a secret to anyone living in a developed country that standards of living have been steadily dropping and will perhaps rapidly collapse in the near future. These are once in a lifetime opportunities. How many people say, "I wish I had some money hanging around in 1928, me, my children, and my children's children would have been set for life". Learn about money NOW or learn about feudalism later.

[bojancan]

I was listening George from the beginning... it's still LIVE... very very interesting talk.. off course.. China, US.. tariffs..

UPPING THE ANTE - MOATS with George Galloway

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[Bill Ryan]

Of course when he reduced the tariffs few hours later the markets flew way high. Him and his billionnaires oligarchs made billions more (they had money to buy and were told beforehand) while you and I lost our 401 pension founds - RRSP in Canada. This is literally illegal trading and collusion from the US president. I have to say, I was shocked at the unexpected news. I've not seen this mentioned yet on any social media commentary, but this does seem to be suspicious (at least!). I'm finding myself wondering if this was all choreographed beforehand, the events of today always part of the plan.

These might be the immediate outcomes:

Some DC insiders must have made a LOT of money, probably millions, within a few hours.
Wholesale economic war against China has been declared.

[shaberon]

I have some background in economics and finance. Over the past few centuries, periods of rising globalization have coincided with times of peace, while periods of declining globalization have been marked by war.

maybe it depends on what globalization means, and this is the first time of globalization im aware of, so when was there declining globalization?

Im sure those past wars caused more isolationism and less global trade, what is the evidence that it was the reverse and the ending of trade caused the wars. Or was it that the tensions were already building for wars which means the angry leaders started economic wars on each other first cutting ties before leading to hot wars.

Of course globalization is more interconnectedness thru business which is positive. The problem is that we have a cabal that wants to consolidate into a global power and enslave the world in a technocracy. Think id rather have competing high tech robotic societies first to see how that goes so if any of the turn into a slave state there are other states that could stop it as well as places to run to. That is why people are resisting losing national sovereignty to these globalist organizations who clearly suck and are not loving.



It's not really a good name since in the early days, I would have thought I was a "globalist".

In principle, though, I would say it is the tale of recorded history.

Ever since about 3,000 B. C. E., obviously not spanning the globe, there nevertheless was the growth of a rather large international trading community.

Almost all places wind up being a case study in the rise and fall of a parasitical Capitalist class.

Injunctions against this are in the most critical literature of the world, such as the Code of Hammurabi, the Rosetta Stone, and the Bible. By the epoch of Classical Greece, you are practically reading instruction manuals on this: on the one hand, "institutions" designed by Oligarchy to manipulate the will of the "demos" or "people", and on the other, the knowledge that to win "peoples' alliance" and make a stable, peaceful, is by removing financial bondage.

So, although this problem kept happening, even in Greece it was dissipated by revolts. The trouble now is that "property" has achieved immortality and that there is no release from the bondage of Lincoln's Empire.

America, as colonies, Revolutionaries, and the Agricultural Economists, was a place free of things like income taxes and mortgage, and basically armed to the teeth by volunteers ready to chase it out. Temporarily, this was working.

Modern "globalization" is the outcome of the Jesuit encomienda. Humans are livestock for economic exploitation.

Exactly what we are going to do with coal today, I am not sure.

What does it take to make cotton farming a desirable job, and how many t-shirts will you buy?

Hasn't an extreme dampening of the tobacco industry been caused?

Don't even start with sugar.

So many commodities have been "rigged" for a hundred years, they're unreal.

As much as I am all for "substantial revisions", what is happening seems to be bragadoccio and hubris as usual.

[norman]

https://t.me/disclosetv/15633
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[Bill Ryan]

A 10-minute perspective published by Kim Iverson an hour ago. She asks:

Trump’s Tariff Gamble: Boost for America or Death Blow?

Her answer is Death Blow — unless Trump abolishes all Income Tax.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aGPnbZrMIg

[Jaak]

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[Arcturian108]

Found on the net today:

The heart of America has always beat to the rhythm of hammers on steel, the hum of factories, and the pride of craftsmen shaping raw materials into something enduring. For too long, we’ve surrendered that heartbeat to the hollow clatter of foreign assembly lines. We traded our sovereignty, our dignity, and the well-being of our people for the fleeting convenience of cheaply made trinkets. But now, with tariffs reshaping the economic landscape, we stand at the threshold of a rebirth—a return to the essence of what made this nation unstoppable. This isn’t just about economics; it’s about resurrecting the soul of America.

Let’s be clear: the decay of American manufacturing didn’t happen by accident. It was a slow-motion betrayal. We outsourced our jobs, shuttered our factories, and handed over the keys to our prosperity to nations that don’t share our values or our dreams. My grandfather’s refrigerator, bought when he married my grandmother, still runs today. It wasn’t a fluke. It was built by American hands, forged with American steel, and engineered with the kind of pride that doesn’t cut corners. That fridge is a relic of an era when “Made in America” wasn’t a nostalgic slogan—it was a stamp of excellence. Today, we’re surrounded by disposable goods designed to break, replace, and drain our wallets. This isn’t progress. It’s a surrender.

Tariffs are not punishment. They’re a lifeline. By making it harder for foreign competitors to undercut our industries, we’re forcing a reckoning. Suddenly, it’s no longer cheaper to ship jobs overseas. Suddenly, companies that abandoned our heartland for foreign sweatshops will have no choice but to come home. This is how we rebuild. This is how we stop the bleeding. Critics will whine about “trade wars” or “higher prices,” but what’s the alternative? A nation of consumers, not creators? A people stripped of purpose, staring at screens, ordering plastic junk from faceless corporations overseas? That’s not a future. That’s a death spiral.

American men and women are starving for purpose. We weren’t born to click “Add to Cart” and wait for delivery trucks. We were born to invent, to engineer, to sweat over a weld until it’s perfect. The pioneer spirit that carved railroads across mountains and raised skyscrapers into the sky hasn’t vanished—it’s been suffocated by a culture that tells us building things is someone else’s job. Tariffs are the spark that reignites that fire. When factories reopen, when workshops hum back to life, we won’t just be manufacturing goods. We’ll be restoring dignity. Every job created here, every product stamped “Made in USA,” is a middle finger to the lie that America’s best days are behind her.

This is about more than economics. It’s about identity. For decades, we’ve been force-fed the myth that globalization is inevitable, that competition with countries exploiting their workers and polluting their rivers is “fair.” But since when did Americans settle for “fair” when we could strive for dominance? Our ancestors didn’t cross oceans and plains to become passive observers of their own destiny. They built. They fought. They innovated. Tariffs are the first step in rejecting the cowardice of offshoring and embracing the courage of self-reliance.

The road ahead won’t be easy. There will be short-term costs. But since when did greatness come without sacrifice? The naysayers can keep their flimsy gadgets and their fragile supply chains. We’ll take the struggle of rebuilding, because on the other side of that struggle is a nation that makes things again—things that last. A nation where fathers and mothers point to bridges, engines, and yes, refrigerators, and say, “We built that.” A nation where the American spirit, too long caged by complacency, finally breaks free.

This is our moment. The tariffs are more than policy—they’re a declaration. We are done outsourcing our future. We are done surrendering our pride. Let the world call it protectionism. We’ll call it patriotism. The golden age of American building begins now.

The skeptics love to preach about the “global economy” as if it’s some sacred, unalterable force of nature. But let’s strip away the euphemisms. What they call “globalization” is really just a race to the bottom—a system that rewards countries for exploiting laborers, gutting environmental standards, and hollowing out the industries of their so-called “partners.” America didn’t become a superpower by bowing to such extortion. We became a superpower by outworking, outthinking, and outbuilding everyone else. Tariffs level the playing field, yes, but their greater purpose is to remind the world that America doesn’t follow rules—we set them. This isn’t isolationism; it’s defiance. We’re done playing the sucker in a rigged game.

Consider the small towns and cities scattered across the Rust Belt, the South, and the heartland. These communities weren’t just clusters of factories; they were ecosystems of innovation and pride. When the factories left, they took more than jobs. They took identity. They took the Friday night camaraderie of workers sharing a beer after a hard week, the local diners buzzing with shifts changing, the scholarships funded by plant profits for kids to learn trades. Tariffs won’t just revive factories—they’ll revive the glue that holds these towns together. This isn’t nostalgia. It’s justice. For every Main Street boarded up, for every family fractured by addiction or despair in the wake of economic collapse, tariffs are a down payment on redemption.

And let’s talk about the men and women who’ve been told their skills are obsolete. The welders, machinists, and electricians—the ones who don’t just push buttons but solve problems with calloused hands and sharp minds. These aren’t “old economy” jobs. They’re timeless trades, the backbone of any society that values self-reliance. Tariffs will force us to reinvest in apprenticeships, in vocational schools, in the kind of hands-on education that doesn’t saddle kids with debt but instead gifts them purpose. Imagine a generation raised not on influencers peddling vanity, but on mentors teaching them to measure twice and cut once. That’s how cultures endure. That’s how legacies are forged.

Detractors screech about inflation, but they ignore the hidden costs of our current decay. Yes, a $10 toaster from overseas is cheap—until you factor in the billions spent on welfare for displaced workers, the opioid crisis fueled by joblessness, or the national security risks of relying on China for everything from microchips to antibiotics. What’s more expensive: paying a fair price for a toaster built in Ohio, or surrendering our resilience as a nation? Tariffs force us to confront these truths. They’re not a tax on consumers; they’re an investment in sovereignty. When we build our own goods, control our own supply chains, and employ our own people, we’re not just saving money—we’re saving ourselves.

Some will say automation renders this vision outdated. Nonsense. Automation isn’t the enemy; offshoring is. Imagine combining American ingenuity, robotics, and high-tech manufacturing with the grit of our workforce. We’d dominate. Germany didn’t abandon its factories—it married precision engineering with cutting-edge tech. Japan didn’t outsource its auto industry—it perfected it. America can do both, but only if we have the courage to protect and nurture our industrial base first. Tariffs buy us time to innovate here, on our soil, rather than handing our future to rivals.

This is also a spiritual battle. Consumerism has turned us into a nation of renters—of our gadgets, our homes, even our identities. We scroll, we swipe, we discard. But building things changes you. It roots you. There’s a reason our grandfathers held onto that fridge for 60 years: it was a testament to their values. Durability. Integrity. Legacy. When we build again, we’re not just making products—we’re making prophets of a forgotten creed. Every steel beam, every engine, every circuit board crafted here becomes a sermon: We refuse to rot. We choose to create.

The road ahead demands more than tariffs, of course. We’ll need to slash regulations that strangle small manufacturers, rewrite trade deals that put America first, and celebrate blue-collar work as noble, not “backup” career. But tariffs are the catalyst. They’re the spark in the dark, the signal to the world that America is done outsourcing its soul. For every CEO who claims he “has no choice” but to move jobs overseas, tariffs scream back: You do now.

History doesn’t remember nations for what they bought. It remembers them for what they built. The pyramids. The railroads. The internet. Our ancestors didn’t cling to safe, small, soulless lives—they gambled on greatness. Tariffs are our gamble. They’re a bet that American hands still yearn to shape steel, that American hearts still hunger for purpose, and that this country’s best chapters aren’t behind her, but waiting to be written. Let the doubters cling to their cheap trinkets.

We’re building cathedrals.

Andrew Torba

[bojancan]

I apologize ... I know, some of here DO NOT like this channel.. but, here it is so evidently that all of this can be a grifting for someones... WHO KNEW!!! Regarding of 90 days pose of tariffs!

Fox Hosts Charlie Gasparino and Jessica Tarlov RIPPED Donald Trump to shreds after he caved on his own plan to institute hefty tariffs on products around the globe. Francis Maxwell reacts.


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[Ravenlocke]

Of course when he reduced the tariffs few hours later the markets flew way high. Him and his billionnaires oligarchs made billions more (they had money to buy and were told beforehand) while you and I lost our 401 pension founds - RRSP in Canada. This is literally illegal trading and collusion from the US president. I have to say, I was shocked at the unexpected news. I've not seen this mentioned yet on any social media commentary, but this does seem to be suspicious (at least!). I'm finding myself wondering if this was all choreographed beforehand, the events of today always part of the plan.

These might be the immediate outcomes:

Some DC insiders must have made a LOT of money, probably millions, within a few hours.
Wholesale economic war against China has been declared.


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Trump brags in the Oval Office that Charles Schwab made $2.5 billion today following the stock market surge.


https://x.com/AFpost/status/1910060939640025555

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/American_Bridge/status/1909237313248374845

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[Ravenlocke]

Text:

Increase in Wealth TODAY
⬆️$35.9 billion: Elon Musk
⬆️$25.8 billion: Mark Zuckerberg
⬆️$18.5 billion: Jeff Bezos
⬆️$15.5 billion: Larry Ellison
⬆️$15.5 billion: Jensen Huang
⬆️$11.2 billion: Steve Ballmer
⬆️$11 billion: Larry Page

When the kleptocrat speaks, oligarchs listen.

https://x.com/GunnelsWarren/status/1910111946285687152

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[bojancan]

Please check what Trump was saying decade ago about stock markets... today.. for sure it was the biggest insider trading manipulation all the way... in Trump's Circle... they should be prosecuted... I think ... that this is the biggest scandal so far... more than signalgate....

Do you remember Marta Stewart??? She got one month prison...

Secular Talk
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CNBC Host SHOCKS ALL & Tells The Truth About Trump | The Kyle Kulinski Show
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[AutumnW]

Cry Me A River China

China was happy for the USA to live on food stamps and in tent cities and become a third world country all in an effort to save China, well now the shoes on the other foot China.

I say to President Trump play chicken with China keep upping the tariffs until it really hurts because we know China will have to relent.

To Lin western countries don't need you second rate products so go away we don't want your crap anymore.


China calls US tariffs 'bullying', urged others to continue with consultation

BEIJING, April 7 (Reuters) - Threats and pressure are not the right way to deal with China, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said on Monday after describing U.S. President Donald Trump's "reciprocal tariffs" as bullying.

The tariffs are "typical unilateralism and protectionism, and economic bullying", spokesperson Lin Jian told a regular press conference. He said that U.S. tariffs in the name of reciprocity only served its own interest at the expense of other countries.

Last week, Trump introduced an additional 34% tariff on Chinese goods as part of steep levies imposed on most U.S. trade partners, bringing the total duties on China this year to 54%. China retaliated with a series of countermeasures.

Lin deferred to other bodies the question of whether China would engage in negotiations with the United States.

U.S. customs agents have been collecting Trump's unilateral 10% tariff on all imports from many countries since Saturday.

"The abuse of tariffs by the United States is tantamount to depriving countries, especially those in the Global South, of their right to development," Lin said, citing a widening gap between the rich and poor in each country, and less developed countries suffering a greater impact.

Link: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-calls-us-tariffs-bullying-urged-others-continue-with-consultation-2025-04-07/

How was China responsible for subprime mortgage backed securities? That's what triggered the 2008 recession. You can blame China for a lot of things, but not what America's banks and lending companies got up to that pushed US over the edge the last time.

[AutumnW]

A 10-minute perspective published by Kim Iverson an hour ago. She asks:

Trump’s Tariff Gamble: Boost for America or Death Blow?

Her answer is Death Blow — unless Trump abolishes all Income Tax.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aGPnbZrMIg

How about just abolish or Doge the Department of Offense. That would help a LOT. Huge savings.

[jaybee]

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Trump responds to a question about the reciprocal tariff 90 day pause....


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People were getting a little bit yippy ... :).....

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Countries who didn't retaliate and wanted to negotiate a deal have had the pressure on them lifted - (for at least 90 days)

[I am B]

The ammount of blatant insider trading and market manipulation is off the charts.

I wish many of those who were so swift to blame Pelosi and the Biden admin, were half as quick to see and condemn it now. (And its not like I'm justifying any of them, this is not a matter of sides)

Since Trump arrived, hypernormalisation is king.

[happyuk]

Warren Buffett himself declares tariffs to be an act of war…

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[bojancan]

I DO NOT understand US... their president is allowed to financially benefit by the decisions he makes.... a lot of people would say... Thanks Maga...
I think the pendulum will swing the other way at midterms... and way too much bluffing going on with trump... Trump & Co benefited! Period!

Bond Market BOMB That Forced Trump's Hand
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The latest Duran... nothing good said about Trump from both of them... as I understood...
Trump wanted respect... admiration... is he giving away to someone????
What are you putting out... you are getting back... Boomerang rules!

TARIFF PAUSE. White House chaos as problems multiply
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[Ravenlocke]

Text:🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸Trump just again raised tariffs on Chinese products to 145%

What will be the effect on the crippling American economy?

For reference, China produces [according to media reports]:

1. Apple = 90% of products
2. Ford Motor Company = up to 50% of components
3. Tesla 50% of cars, 100% of batteries
4. Walmart 70-80% of goods
5. Qualcomm 66% of revenue comes from China
6. Micron Technology 57% of revenue comes from China
8. Nike = 30% of goods
9. General Motors = 70% of components
10. Coca-Cola packaging, ingredients + sales. Of the $45 billion in revenue, China accounts for $11 billion

https://x.com/Hawkeye1745/status/1910404924539912596

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https://x.com/TheMaineWonk/status/1910353012742123953

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[bojancan]

Interesting... Elon everywhere is now Elon nowhere now....
In my opinion... every single one of these appointees are beyond stupid.... and painful to watch....
Specially press sec fake barbie... "boys staying boys for sure"....
We around the world... are unbelievable ungrateful for this entire administration .. the delusion continues...

Keith Edwards
464K subscribers

Trump ATTACKS Elon Musk in SHOCKING Cabinet Meeting
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[norman]

All this negativity is like taking the remote away from the kids because they are going nuts from the crap they are watching.


As for Trump's rich friends, Americans used to live high on the hog of being the globalist's useful goon squad for their global surgery. Now they are surplus to requirements and facing their own genocide, accordingly. I don't blame them for being more concerned about that pending/ongoing genocide than they are about anything else right now, including the genocide in other parts of the world that needs America to catalyze a turnaround.

What's the difference between genocide and suicide ?

Genocide doesn't include going on line and cheering for the murders.

[White Cedar]

Despite the video title, the first 42 minutes of Alexander Mercouris' update today are all about this. (Besides being a historian, classics scholar, lawyer and experienced geopolitical analyst, he also understands a very great deal about economics.)

He predicts:

Great turbulence in global trade and global finance.
Rising inflation both the in US and worldwide.
The end of globalization.
The beginning of the end of the EU.
... And Russia, China and the BRICS nations will survive all this just fine.

His one-sentence summary: It's an admission of American decline.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxWAZSY1Zc

Yes i felt it was a move in order to crash economy and bring financial problems to population, limit the amount of types and kinds of products the American would have access to, push up the Economical Reset agenda ( trump for me is 100% part of the c4bal).

This will domino reflect to others countries to but not all equally.

The agenda is to create more poverty, scarcity, limit the presence of products (there are all kinds of good stuff that people can use that comes from different countries), then the prices rise and people don't have enough money to buy organic food, natural treatments, and good stuff that requires money and are necessary for good health and so on, it's a cascade of things.

[Arcturian108]

Interesting... Elon everywhere is now Elon nowhere now....
In my opinion... every single one of these appointees are beyond stupid.... and painful to watch....
Specially press sec fake barbie... "boys staying boys for sure"....
We around the world... are unbelievable ungrateful for this entire administration .. the delusion continues...

Keith Edwards
464K subscribers

Trump ATTACKS Elon Musk in SHOCKING Cabinet Meeting
PEftHKbGGHE

Elon was at the cabinet meeting. This guy got it wrong.

[Arcturian108]

One guy is seeing that April 2nd - Trump's "Liberation Day" may have more significance than anybody realizes. It could indicate the return of the Republic of America, and the law of the land, as opposed to the last 100 years where we had the law of the sea:

https://vimeo.com/1074152432

[Bill Ryan]

Text:
Trump just again raised tariffs on Chinese products to 145%

What will be the effect on the crippling American economy?

For reference, China produces [according to media reports]:

1. Apple = 90% of products
2. Ford Motor Company = up to 50% of components
3. Tesla 50% of cars, 100% of batteries
4. Walmart 70-80% of goods
5. Qualcomm 66% of revenue comes from China
6. Micron Technology 57% of revenue comes from China
8. Nike = 30% of goods
9. General Motors = 70% of components
10. Coca-Cola packaging, ingredients + sales. Of the $45 billion in revenue, China accounts for $11 billion

https://x.com/Hawkeye1745/status/1910404924539912596

And China has now raised tariffs (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-escalates-125-tariff-us-imports-signals-will-ignore-future-retaliation) on US goods to 125%.

China has well-developed markets for its goods world-wide. Here in Ecuador, I see Chinese cars, motorcycles, trucks and buses everywhere, and almost everything in the hardware stores and clothing in the department stores is Chinese. (Much of it is good quality, too. And the prices are very reasonable.)

What I see in Ecuador is mirrored in all other Latin American countries, everywhere in Africa, and definitely in rapidly developing countries like Indonesia. US journalists visiting Russia report that half the new cars there are Chinese. It's hard to imagine that China will have much problem selling as much of their goods as they want or need to to everyone else in the world. (That's a LOT of customers!)

If the US magically ceased to exist and just completely disappeared from the planet, China, Russia and India would flourish perfectly fine, even if they only traded with one another. Between them they have all the technology, energy and resources that they need.

I posted a few days ago that I didn't 'see' this ending well. While global markets may be disrupted everywhere, I think that what I was somehow sensing was that it'd not end well principally for the US.

:flower:

[SilentFeathers]

Text:
Trump just again raised tariffs on Chinese products to 145%

What will be the effect on the crippling American economy?

For reference, China produces [according to media reports]:

1. Apple = 90% of products
2. Ford Motor Company = up to 50% of components
3. Tesla 50% of cars, 100% of batteries
4. Walmart 70-80% of goods
5. Qualcomm 66% of revenue comes from China
6. Micron Technology 57% of revenue comes from China
8. Nike = 30% of goods
9. General Motors = 70% of components
10. Coca-Cola packaging, ingredients + sales. Of the $45 billion in revenue, China accounts for $11 billion

https://x.com/Hawkeye1745/status/1910404924539912596

And China has now raised tariffs (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-escalates-125-tariff-us-imports-signals-will-ignore-future-retaliation) on US goods to 125%.

China has well-developed markets for its goods world-wide. Here in Ecuador, I see Chinese cars, motorcycles, trucks and buses everywhere, and almost everything in the hardware stores and clothing in the department stores is Chinese. (Much of it is good quality, too. And the prices are very reasonable.)

What I see in Ecuador is mirrored in all other Latin American countries, everywhere in Africa, and definitely in rapidly developing countries like Indonesia. US journalists visiting Russia report that half the new cars there are Chinese. It's hard to imagine that China will have much problem selling as much of their goods as they want or need to to everyone else in the world. (That's a LOT of customers!)

If the US magically ceased to exist and just completely disappeared from the planet, China, Russia and India would flourish perfectly fine, even if they only traded with one another. Between them they have all the technology, energy and resources that they need.

I posted a few days ago that I didn't 'see' this ending well. While global markets may be disrupted everywhere, I think that what I was somehow sensing was that it'd not end well principally for the US.

:flower:

I think Trump will have to creatively squirm his way out of this and some how backtrack this China Tariff ordeal in a way to save face and make it look like he came out on top. The longer he waits the more difficult it'll be not to get the black eye and pie in the face effect from it.

His team is probably working on a back off plan now.

[Bill Ryan]

Wade Frazier has joined the discussioj, posted on his thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=1663842&viewfull=1#post1663842) just a few minutes ago. :thumbsup:

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From Substack (https://wadefrazier.substack.com/p/the-trump-presidency-20-part-13-tariffs):

Donald’s Trump’s tariffs are roiling the global economy, and I have read all manner of commentary on it. It is time to weigh in on it a little. For starters, even though the USA rarely admits it (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#rove), it is an empire, and even George Washington had imperial aspirations (https://wadefrazier.substack.com/p/the-trump-presidency-20-part-7-usaid). Empires are empires because they can exploit their imperial subjects. The earliest civilizations (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#akkadian) conquered their neighbors as soon as they could, and civilizations have seen rising and falling empires ever since. No organism likes being coerced, so empires always have restive populations that try to throw off imperial rule. Trade predates humanity (https://wadefrazier.substack.com/p/real-economies-and-financial-economies), but there has never really been free trade or free markets, as coercion always rears its head somewhere along the line, in our world of scarcity and fear.

During Europe’s conquest of the world (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#conquest), setting the terms of exchange to milk their imperial subjects was standard practice, from the Spanish in Mesoamerica (https://ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#aztec) to the British in India (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#india). After the USA stole North America (https://ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#steal1), it began acquiring distant lands, such as Hawaii (https://ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#hawaii) and the Philippines (https://ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#philippines), and it had long considered Latin America (https://ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#monroe) to be its imperial backyard, although the rise of neocolonialism (https://ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#neocolonialism) meant that the USA’s flag would not fly over its subjects. It was cheaper that way and had better optics. As part of the deal for American help against the Nazis, Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the British relinquish their empire (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#half2) when the war was over. In practice, the USA largely just became the new imperial overlords, overthrowing disfavored governments with abandon (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#dulles). When JFK proved to be a lukewarm imperialist who tried to end the Cold War, he had to go (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#jfk).

Agrarian economies cannot compete with industrial ones, and the USA enacted tariffs from the beginning to protect its fledgling industries, especially from the industrialized British. That is essentially what tariffs are for. The USA reached Peak Oil (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#peakoil) in 1970, its standard of living has declined ever since (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#industrialdecline), and some of it has been spectacular (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#peakoil). Humanity will always rise and fall on the energy issue, just like all life does (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#energyevents).

In the logic of capitalism, in which profits are everything (https://ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#profit), corporate America began exporting its industrial capacity to poor nations to take advantage of cheap labor, which threw blue-collar Americans out of work, especially in what is called the Rust Belt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_Belt), where I lived for several years (https://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/83-My-days-in-the-trucking-industry?p=272&viewfull=1#post272). The USA gets cheap imports (https://ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#progress) out of the deal, which has helped prop up the USA’s standard of living, and most of the so-called service industry is intrinsically worthless, pushing papers across desks and like, such as my original profession of auditing (https://ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#getting). About 75% or more (arguably even 90%) of what the USA spends on medicine is worthless (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#metabolic), as the medical racket preys on an addicted public. We’ll see what kind of dent RFK, Jr., can make, but the medical racket won’t go quietly (https://wadefrazier.substack.com/p/rfk-jr-and-medical-racket-miscellany).

It is reasonably speculated that Trump’s ultimate goal is building a North American technocracy (https://wadefrazier.substack.com/p/the-trump-presidency-20-part-8-is), and Canada and Greenland would be key aspects of that, which is likely why Trump wants them. For all of Trump’s lies and bluster, there is a logic behind what he is doing (https://www.rt.com/business/615467-what-if-trumps-tariffs-actually-make-sense/). Strangely enough, parts of it align with my idea of the Fifth Epoch (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#epoch5). For instance, Trump wants production to come back to the USA, but those blue-collar days are gone forever. The new factories that Trump wants will be run by AI-driven robots, as Elon Musk is trying to achieve at Tesla. But the energy issue needs to be solved, first. Mining more hydrocarbons and nuclear fission are not the way to go, and windmill and solar systems are not nearly enough (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Brian_O'Leary#The_Energy_Solution_Revolution,_2009) for all of humanity. Every Epoch of the human journey (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#epochs) was based on an energy revolution, and so will the next one.

But I also know that Trump is only a bit player in the global economy. Far higher powers (https://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/108-The-Global-Controllers?p=1186&viewfull=1#post1186) than the American president run the world. Elon Musk may be the world’s richest man on paper, but he is also far down the pecking order.

Michael Roads died last year, and I am reading his final book (https://www.michaelroads.com/michael-roads-books/). I met Michael about 30 years ago and have known many psychonauts like him. His account of his visits to two Earths, 300 years into our future, is legendary. One was hellish (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672115&viewfull=1#post672115) and one was heavenly (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748), and the difference was whether people chose love or not. In a chapter of his final book, he visited the forests of Gondwana, other heavenly future Earths, and he also saw today’s influence of what I call the Global Controllers (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#gc), who pull the strings on Earth. They are trying to own the entire planet and enslave all of humanity. In an eerie parallel to my work, Roads said that the 1% exploit the 99%. I have long called (https://wadefrazier.substack.com/p/conspiratorial-topics) these “conspiratorial” situations 1% conspiracy and 99% complicity. Blaming that 1% is giving away our power. It is the 99% complicity that we can most do something about.

I have also likened most of humanity to spiritual kindergarteners as they sleepwalk (https://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/149-The-Human-Afterlife-and-the-Journey-of-our-Souls?p=3521&viewfull=1#post3521) through their lives, only caring about the welfare of their in-groups (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#ingroup), filing to their deaths (https://ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#lemmings), cheering the violence (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#ingroup1), etc. In that chapter, Roads said the same thing, that Earth was a kindergarten for younger souls. They are not lesser beings, just younger, and Earth is where they came to be potty-trained as souls. I have seen this theme for many years, and have even been told it by channels. A slippery slope is judging that (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#judge1). We are all on our divine journeys, and this lifetime might be more of my soul’s penance (https://ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#atlantis), as I try to get it right this time. Roads even mentioned the Gaza situation, of fighting over land, and that book was published before the current genocide there (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#gaza).

The human journey has been a grim one, but it has become less violent (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#violence1) and more humane (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#humane) over the Epochs, even if humanity has largely sleepwalked through the process. I do not expect humanity to become enlightened overnight if and when the Fifth Epoch arrives, but when scarcity is permanently banished, for all people, this world will end and nobody will miss it. Coercion, violence, crime, and wrecking the environment in the pursuit of self-interest will no longer make any sense. The global elite (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#elites) will be supremely disappointed at first, but even they will eventually be redeemed, as all roads lead home to the godhead. Some paths just take longer (https://ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving) and have more adventures.

I see Trump’s plans and actions as nationalistic and still about American imperial dominance, but there are some strangely positive aspects of it, as if he and his handlers dimly see what might be ahead, and perhaps on behalf of the people who really run the world. What times to live in, but I am not going to cede humanity’s future to what the USA, Trump, Musk, or the global elite do. We live here, too, and only an approach rooted in love and enlightenment (https://wadefrazier.substack.com/p/the-love-and-enlightenment-approach) has a chance to turn the course, in my opinion, which is what I am trying to get going, and my Substack presence is my latest experiment.

Best,

Wade

[onawah]

A large percentage of ingredients in vitamin supplements and pharmaceuticals also come from China, which is quite disturbing when you consider how very unsanitary and polluted conditions are there.

[QUOTE=Ravenlocke;1663751]Text:
Trump just again raised tariffs on Chinese products to 145%
What will be the effect on the crippling American economy?
For reference, China produces [according to media reports]:
1. Apple = 90% of products
2. Ford Motor Company = up to 50% of components
3. Tesla 50% of cars, 100% of batteries
4. Walmart 70-80% of goods
5. Qualcomm 66% of revenue comes from China
6. Micron Technology 57% of revenue comes from China
8. Nike = 30% of goods
9. General Motors = 70% of components
10. Coca-Cola packaging, ingredients + sales. Of the $45 billion in revenue, China accounts for $11 billion

[I am B]

And China has now raised tariffs (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-escalates-125-tariff-us-imports-signals-will-ignore-future-retaliation) on US goods to 125%.

China has well-developed markets for its goods world-wide. Here in Ecuador, I see Chinese cars, motorcycles, trucks and buses everywhere, and almost everything in the hardware stores and clothing in the department stores is Chinese. (Much of it is good quality, too. And the prices are very reasonable.)



It is the same presence in Spain and France (and all around europe). When all this started I thought that it was the end of the US because despite the huge blow, China needs the US less than the US (or preety much anyone else in the world) needs China.

Still, and for some reason, in Spain, and I presume the rest of Europe, local chinese conglomerates (we could even call them mafias) that take care of the mass importing of goods and spreading them through different shops and bazars, are actually closing, and leaving the country and probably the continent.

Is it because of restrictions, currency crash, war...? I have no idea, but the hole in the availability of goods that this will leave if it keeps going forward in a wider scale... worldchanging.

They are blaming the closures on online shopping, but that was never an issue before, despite Spain being the #1 Aliexpress shopping country per capita, or during the pandemic.

[Bill Ryan]

A very general comment here that may (or may not!) contribute anything at all.

Gene Hacknan's character to Will Smith's character in the inspired (and prescient!) movie Enemy of the State: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_State_(film)) :)
You're either VERY smart, or INCREDIBLY stupid. Here's Alex Krainer talking to Larry Johnson, posted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eh-hXAXwmg) a few hours ago:
I'm torn between thinking these guys are really smart and sophisticated and they thought things through, or these people are completely dumb and they're making it up as they go along.
I'm not offering a personal opinion here. But it's fascinating to see that many of the social media analysts are saying the exact same thing: it's either genius or madness, but it can't be both.

And quite a few of the most bullish Trump supporters are of the opinion that Trump is taking a huge gamble, whatever his intentions or how much he really understands. Many are growing concerned.

I posted a few days ago (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129480-Liberation-Day-US-Tariffs-on-Everyone&p=1663041&viewfull=1#post1663041) that when a complex system is disrupted, it's not possible to predict the exact outcome. It's not a simple, linear, cause-and-effect process. What one gets are emergent properties.

One might be able to guess what some of them could be, but the details can NOT be known for sure. Whether or not one should ever poke such a big stick into the spokes of the spinning global financial wheel seems like quite a good question.

[bojancan]

I do not understand... why those Trump's "ministers" are so hateful... full of "revenge" and rage...... warmongers ... it's completely the same style of behaviour as their fürer... Trump... president of Peace! Ja?????

We saw last night... how much money they gave for Pentagon, gave to billionaires ...
Here in this video... these chinese presenters are the breath of fresh air... rational minds.. normal people! US is crazy!!!! REALYY!:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Danny Haiphong
406K subscribers

America NOT PREPARED: U.S. Military FEARS China's Shocking New Power w/ Carl Zha & KJ Noh
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[norman]

I do not understand... why those Trump's "ministers" are so hateful... full of "revenge" and rage...... warmongers ... it's completely the same style of behaviour as their fürer... Trump... president of Peace! Ja?????

We saw last night... how much money they gave for Pentagon, gave to billionaires ...
Here in this video... these chinese presenters are the breath of fresh air... rational minds.. normal people! US is crazy!!!! REALYY!:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Danny Haiphong
406K subscribers

America NOT PREPARED: U.S. Military FEARS China's Shocking New Power w/ Carl Zha & KJ Noh
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This is complete enemy bull**** and this is another thread about to go down the tubes.

Bojancan, I'm calling you out as an enemy combatant.

[bojancan]

I do not understand... why those Trump's "ministers" are so hateful... full of "revenge" and rage...... warmongers ... it's completely the same style of behaviour as their fürer... Trump... president of Peace! Ja?????

We saw last night... how much money they gave for Pentagon, gave to billionaires ...
Here in this video... these chinese presenters are the breath of fresh air... rational minds.. normal people! US is crazy!!!! REALYY!:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Danny Haiphong
406K subscribers

America NOT PREPARED: U.S. Military FEARS China's Shocking New Power w/ Carl Zha & KJ Noh
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This is complete enemy bull**** and this is another thread about to go down the tubes.

Bojancan, I'm calling you out as an enemy combatant.

With all due respect to you Norman... For these words you should apologize to myself... yes... but I am giving just a few words back to you: You are very brainwashed Trumpster! As Flash rightly said it: You are attacking each personalities here...
All of members here are not in sync with you... ALWAYS! Some of them.. EVER!
And you also didn't ate all knowledge along... while you are on this world... Enough said!

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/1910720427531329755

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Text:
Any dialogue must be based on equality, respect and mutual benefit.

If the U.S. truly wants to have talks, it should stop its capricious and destructive behavior.

For the welfare of the Chinese and the people of the world, for the fairness and justice of the global order, China will never bow to maximum pressure of the United States.

Give the bully an inch, he will take a mile.

https://x.com/MFA_China/status/1910677700047667697

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[Ravenlocke]

Text:
BREAKING: Spain’s PM just met with President Xi Jinping in Beijing and they made a trade agreement to open China to Spanish products and vice versa, with Spain rejecting US threats about “cutting your own throat” if they negotiated with China.

“It's China's and EU's responsibility to safeguard international justice and fairness,” said Xi, who urged the EU to work with China on resisting American tariffs.

“We're working to open the Chinese market to Spanish products.” — Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez

The two countries signed agreements on science, technology, education and the film industry, as well as protocols regarding pork and cherry exports.

China will broaden its work with the EU through advanced technology and high tech manufacturing like batteries, electric vehicles and hydrogen, which the EU is not good at.

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1910669918057431545

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Text:

🇨🇳🇪🇸 President Xi Jinping met with Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez during his visit to China.

Xi emphasized that there are no winners in tariff wars and warned that unilateralism leads to self-isolation. He highlighted China’s rise through self-reliance and resilience, stressing that the country won’t yield to external pressure. Xi called on China and the EU to uphold global trade, oppose bullying, and defend international fairness and order.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1910636792807571464

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/ZSchneeweiss/status/1909525370984128943

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[Jaak]

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[Arcturian108]

Thirty-five years ago I was living and working in Tokyo, when I asked my spirit guides which countries were going to be preeminent in the world at a time that Japan looked like it was becoming a major power, with the value of its real estate equivalent to that of the whole U.S.A. My Japanese friends were gloating at that time. The answer my guides gave me in 1990 was that the U.S. and Russia would both be preeminent powers for the next 500 years.

[T Smith]

Here's Alex Krainer talking to Larry Johnson, posted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eh-hXAXwmg) a few hours ago:[INDENT] [I][B]I'm torn between thinking these guys are really smart and sophisticated and they thought things through, or these people are completely dumb and they're making it up as they go along.

There is a lot of knee-jerk sky-is-falling commentary, but what I haven't read (yet) is what the practical contingency plan is for the US if China doesn't relent. Surely that was a possibility the Administration war-gamed and thought through before engaging this battle. And in fact, not blinking seems like the most likely outcome from China. So now what? The long-term objective is obvious--even desirable and needed: domestic re-industrialization and some kind of balanced restructuring of the supply chain. The laws of supply/demand will eventually facilitate this in the long term, but "liberation" is not going to happen overnight. So what's the plan in the interim?

It's not like Trump to announce his strategies in the open, but one has to think there is contingency in place if/when China doesn't come to the table. That might include some kind of emergency stimulus to the small businesses most affected, a reprieve of some type (or elimination) of the income tax, or some kind of restructuring incentive for exporters in position to import (or begin producing) the most vital components of the supply chain. Perhaps this may require a temporary subsidy or incentive to keep prices stable and supply moving. And perhaps none of these suggestions are economically viable, but the point is, there surely is some card in the deck ready to play if/when the current standoff reaches a stalemate.

Right now the focus on whether the Trump Administration's actions are really smart or completely dumb hinges, IMO, on what their next moves might be when China squats.

[Jaak]

It's not like Trump to announce his strategies in the open, but one would have to think there is contingency in place if/when China doesn't come to the table. That might include some kind of emergency stimulus to the small businesses most affected, a reprieve of some type (or elimination) of the income tax, or some kind of restructuring incentive for exporters in position to import (or begin producing) the most vital components of the supply chain. .

Small businesses will get bought up cheaply by billionaires . Redistribution of wealth seems to be the plan (make the rich even richer).
You will own nothing and you will eat ze bugz ...

Meanwhile dont forget to buy some Trump swag before prices go up !!
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[Merkaba360]

America is by far the number one consumer of useless crap and unnecessary products which may be low quality. They will take a fairly big hit from that since there will be nowhere to go for a lot of that, regardless of the other markets they do well in. In the long run, its good if we stop manufacturing so much nonsense we dont need.

Imagine playing a sport team and one of the teams supplied all the gear and sold every other team fake gear at inflated prices and used high quality gear for their team. Then, cheated by taking performance enhancing drugs (subsidized companies to get into the market when others cant compete).

On top of that, everyone else had to play by the rules, but it decided its own rules (law). Every team also had to play by the financial rules and salary caps, but it didnt (GAAP accounting laws, cooking the books). That team couldnt be held accountable for its actions and no team could push for replay reviews against them (ability to sue). But they could do that to ever other team.

Then you make trades with them and they just steal your players. (intellectual theft). During the game they stole all the stuff out of your locker room, sold it and copied it. (ripping off, cloning your products).

Would anybody allow that team in the league and bother to play any games with them?

This is what the forced negotiations is all about, not just trade imbalances for them. Kevin O'Leary was ranting about all of this as some of you may have seen. And America is the only country to finally do something about that. If Bill is right and it ends bad for America, and none of the above is stopped then that is sad. And the rest of the world may have done nothing to help.

FYI, SpiritmanJT just said spirit told him that right now China is hurting the worst. Sad to hear, but I don't know how you get all the theft to stop. Apparently , theft is a huge problem within their country as well?
He said, this will all turn out good in the long run, but 2025-2032 is a big test period. Awhile back he said it will look like China is winning, but USA will invent some incredibly genius monetary system (I believe it was 2028 ish) that will change things. I'd guess something with quantum computing. Perhaps, USA needs to get humbled a bit , feel like 2nd place to piss them off and focus to compete hard.

Trump's plan ain't masterminded by just him obviously. Secret societies planning a lot. So, no way its some mad mans delusion. It is done with deep knowledge of the system and America is really good (loads of experience) playing the game with lots and lots of levers and moving parts. But, the system is so complicated and changing rapidly, that they still might knowingly be taking a huge gamble.

Since we are in such crucial times, I tend to think Trump is getting some visions or guidance from beyond this realm. I believe it was said George Washington had some. Also, it is pluto return = death and rebirth. Birth = 1776 , pluto return = 2024. This is the rebirth of America. Maybe Trump's brush with death was needed to strengthen his belief in higher powers to make him more receptive to guidance from above.

Interestingly, one seer is seeing that the essential items will eventually be cheaper and other items more expensive. He mentioned cosmetics as an example. lol This would be great to stop the women from wearing so much makeup and other fakery :) This is what we want to help the poor and more consumption tax for the wealthy. I think an energy breakthru will play a big role in this.

Lastly, I think Trump is fine with making big moves that are more risky. Even if he fails, I bet it brings many things to light that will create may losses for those who thrive from secrecy.

[Bill Ryan]

Another reversal:

https://zerohedge.com/markets/trump-exempts-computers-handsets-chips-reciprocal-tariff-blitz (https://zerohedge.com/markets/trump-exempts-computers-handsets-chips-reciprocal-tariff-blitz\)

Trump Exempts Computers, Handsets, Chips from Reciprocal Tariff Blitz

U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) issued an updated guidance late Friday night on product exclusions from President Trump's reciprocal tariffs, imposed under Executive Order 14257 and its amendments (EO 14259). The exclusions cover a wide range of electronic devices, including smartphones, laptops, and related components.

First, President Trump paused reciprocal tariffs for non-retaliating countries (e.g., China) for 90 days last week. Now, updated guidance from CBP reveals that some of the highest-value trade—particularly a wide range of electronics—is excluded from the reciprocal tariffs.

Among the 20 tariff codes listed (https://content.govdelivery.com/bulletins/gd/USDHSCBP-3db9e55?wgt_ref=USDHSCBP_WIDGET_2) for exemption, three stand out in particular:


8471 – Automatic data processing machines and units thereof (e.g., laptops, desktops, servers).
8517.13.00 – Smartphones and other telecommunication apparatus for cellular networks.
8542 – Electronic integrated circuits (e.g., microprocessors, memory chips).

Here's the complete list:


8471 – Automatic data processing machines and units thereof (e.g., laptops, desktops, servers).
8473.30 – Parts and accessories for automatic data processing machines (e.g., computer parts).
8486 – Machines and apparatus for the manufacture of semiconductor devices or electronic integrated circuits.
8517.13.00 – Smartphones and other telecommunication apparatus for cellular networks.
8517.62.00 – Machines for the reception, conversion, and transmission/regeneration of voice, images, or other data (e.g., modems, routers).
8523.51.00 – Solid-state non-volatile storage devices (e.g., flash memory, SSDs).
8524 – Media for the recording of sound or other phenomena, not elsewhere specified (can include CDs, DVDs, etc.).
8528.52.00 – Monitors capable of directly connecting to an automatic data processing machine (e.g., computer monitors).
8541.10.00 – Diodes, other than photosensitive or light-emitting diodes (LEDs).
8541.21.00 – Transistors with a dissipation rate of <1 W.
8541.29.00 – Other transistors.
8541.30.00 – Thyristors, diacs, and triacs (semiconductor switching devices).
8541.49.10 – Light-emitting diodes (LEDs) – chips mounted in discrete packages.
8541.49.70 – Other LEDs, not listed elsewhere.
8541.49.80 – Infrared LEDs.
8541.49.95 – Other light-emitting semiconductor devices.
8541.51.00 – Silicon-based photovoltaic devices (solar cells), whether or not assembled in modules or panels.
8541.59.00 – Other photovoltaic devices.
8541.90.00 – Parts of the goods of heading 8541 (e.g., parts for diodes, transistors, LEDs).
8542 – Electronic integrated circuits (e.g., microprocessors, memory chips).

To close out the week, the U.S.–China trade war escalated in a highly predictable tit-for-tat fashion. The U.S. now imposes a 145% effective tariff rate on Chinese goods, while Beijing has retaliated with a 125% rate on American products (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-escalates-125-tariff-us-imports-signals-will-ignore-future-retaliation).

[bojancan]

It's seams to me that we are in the midst of the beginning of a feudal society... crazy!!!! Trump's abusive aspects of all this is really important... for all... not only for US... many are frustrated by the hot mess we're in... but we shall not give up!!!!!

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Ashok Kumar, associate professor of political economy at Birkbeck, University of London, joins the show to shed light on Trump's sweeping tariffs and how the impending trade war will impact labor movements, the Global South, and those most oppressed by a world economic system with rampant corporate exploitation.

Trump Tariffs: U.S. Attempt to Bully China Backfires w/ Ashok Kumar
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"We have really pissed off the whole world."

Nobel laureate and economist Paul Krugman joins Mehdi Hasan in this Zeteo town hall to discuss the impact of tariffs on the global economy, the dangers of trade wars on everyday consumers, and what Donald Trump is trying to achieve.

”[The] stock market is not the economy… But the point is actually that it's a symptom of something which is much more important, which is that if we don't actually have a recession, we're certainly going to be seeing a really bad year for the economy. And this is really the first time in history that a president has caused, you know, a terrible economy.”

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The REAL Impact of Global Tariffs
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[Bill Ryan]

I wrote yesterday:
Quite a few of the most bullish Trump supporters are of the opinion that Trump is taking a huge gamble, whatever his intentions or how much he really understands. Many are growing concerned.I looked through the comments on the Zero Hedge article I cited above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129480-Liberation-Day-US-Tariffs-on-Everyone&p=1664021&viewfull=1#post1664021), a purely factual report of the new announcement. (Trump Exempts Computers, Handsets, Chips from Reciprocal Tariff Blitz (https://zerohedge.com/markets/trump-exempts-computers-handsets-chips-reciprocal-tariff-blitz/))

The Zero Hedge readership (and Zero Hedge itself) is predominantly pro-Trump and scathingly critical of neocon and neoliberal policies. But the Zero Hedge commenters are rapidly becoming frustrated and sarcastic about Trump's apparently wild policy swings and apparently careless or thoughtless public comments.

I'm cautious about my own opinions here. They're not fully developed, though I'm watching everything like a hawk. One of the bellwethers may be Judge Napolitano's channel (https://www.youtube.com/@judgingfreedom/streams), where he interviews high-profile (and very well-informed) analysts every week. Those include Alastair Crooke, Jeffrey Sachs, John Mearsheimer, Lawrence Wilkerson, Douglas Macgregor, Pepe Escobar, Max Blumenthal, Ray McGovern, Larry Johnson, and quite a few others. Every one of them is now becoming increasingly critical of Trump's recent actions and statements.

The significance here is that these are all Trump voters who don't have any agenda save for a genuinely libertarian one. And (as I said above) every one of them is growing concerned.

(A developing story, as they say in the media. :))

[Rizotto]

I wrote yesterday:
Quite a few of the most bullish Trump supporters are of the opinion that Trump is taking a huge gamble, whatever his intentions or how much he really understands. Many are growing concerned.I looked through the comments on the Zero Hedge article I cited above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129480-Liberation-Day-US-Tariffs-on-Everyone&p=1664021&viewfull=1#post1664021), a purely factual report of the new announcement. (Trump Exempts Computers, Handsets, Chips from Reciprocal Tariff Blitz (https://zerohedge.com/markets/trump-exempts-computers-handsets-chips-reciprocal-tariff-blitz/))

The Zero Hedge readership (and Zero Hedge itself) is predominantly pro-Trump and scathingly critical of neocon and neoliberal policies. But the Zero Hedge commenters are rapidly becoming frustrated and sarcastic about Trump's apparently wild policy swings and apparently careless or thoughtless public comments.

I'm cautious about my own opinions here. They're not fully developed, though I'm watching everything like a hawk. One of the bellwethers may be Judge Napolitano's channel (https://www.youtube.com/@judgingfreedom/streams), where he interviews high-profile (and very well-informed) analysts every week. Those include Alastair Crooke, Jeffrey Sachs, John Mearsheimer, Lawrence Wilkerson, Douglas Macgregor, Pepe Escobar, Max Blumenthal, Ray McGovern, Larry Johnson, and quite a few others. Every one of them is now becoming increasingly critical of Trump's recent actions and statements.

The significance here is that these are all Trump voters who don't have any agenda save for a genuinely libertarian one. And (as I said above) every one of them is growing concerned.

(A developing story, as they say in the media. :))

My feeling as well. But I go a bit further, and am watching for indications that there is a deliberate controlled demolition by the Trump regime of the world economic system(s). Those indications are growing by the day. Just too many reckless and destructive moves & comments have been done by Trump and some of his 'team'.

Trump has already made many anti-BRICS comments, showing that he knows the US hegemony is waning before the BRICS. He has already stated his strong opposition to the dropping of the US dollar as world currency. The latest threats and flip flops by Trump and his team show that they prefer to blast the world economy to pieces, rather than letting other economic alliances take the driver's seat. They'll even start WW3 for that purpose. Thinking of Iran right now...

[BMJ]

Shiny Object Syndrome

That is such a great thread. I think it speaks of threads like this every analyst is providing a blow by blow reaction to tariffs DOGE findings etc, that's their job, and we seem to be reacting to every event.

I am taking a deep breath and step back, and let's see were we land in a while.

What do I know for fact
President Trump has the best interest of the people of the USA at heart.

President Trump has an IQ of 156, an economics degree, is a very successful businessman, and a grandmaster in chess. He is highly capable of dealing with economics and china.

Countless times President Trump has signalled he is a part of Q ( Which for the most part is still being ignored as being a huge part of this process)

Q is conducting warfare " by all means " against the cabal.

That implies that President Trump is backed by over 200 generals who are " gaming every senerio out several times a day with the assistance of AI.

These are the growing pains for the USA and western countries which will get us out of our designed by the cabal dependence on Chinese products.

Lastly, people are claiming President Trump is behaving irratically that's misdirection. You are not going to telegraph your intentions to the enemy.



P.S. l love the above post 104 by T.Smith I think your on the money.

P.S.S. l also like Bill Ryan's post 92.

P.S.S.S. The federal reserve of every country bar Russia was or is owned by the Rothschild family, and so yes President Trump is either going crash that financial system or flip it some way to a new gold/silver backed currency.

[BMJ]

Cry Me A River China

China was happy for the USA to live on food stamps and in tent cities and become a third world country all in an effort to save China, well now the shoes on the other foot China.

I say to President Trump play chicken with China keep upping the tariffs until it really hurts because we know China will have to relent.

To Lin western countries don't need you second rate products so go away we don't want your crap anymore.


China calls US tariffs 'bullying', urged others to continue with consultation

BEIJING, April 7 (Reuters) - Threats and pressure are not the right way to deal with China, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said on Monday after describing U.S. President Donald Trump's "reciprocal tariffs" as bullying.

The tariffs are "typical unilateralism and protectionism, and economic bullying", spokesperson Lin Jian told a regular press conference. He said that U.S. tariffs in the name of reciprocity only served its own interest at the expense of other countries.

Last week, Trump introduced an additional 34% tariff on Chinese goods as part of steep levies imposed on most U.S. trade partners, bringing the total duties on China this year to 54%. China retaliated with a series of countermeasures.

Lin deferred to other bodies the question of whether China would engage in negotiations with the United States.

U.S. customs agents have been collecting Trump's unilateral 10% tariff on all imports from many countries since Saturday.

"The abuse of tariffs by the United States is tantamount to depriving countries, especially those in the Global South, of their right to development," Lin said, citing a widening gap between the rich and poor in each country, and less developed countries suffering a greater impact.

Link: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-calls-us-tariffs-bullying-urged-others-continue-with-consultation-2025-04-07/

How was China responsible for subprime mortgage backed securities? That's what triggered the 2008 recession. You can blame China for a lot of things, but not what America's banks and lending companies got up to that pushed US over the edge the last time.

I never said they were and I can not comment on that.

What I do know is the cabal gifted our industry to china via instruments such as the Lima Declaration and china happily accepted, this goes back to the 1970's.

And to this day they still do. An example the automotive manufacturer Cherie is a rip off of Chevy and they carbon copy US vehicles like the F-150 and Chevy SUV's.

All at the expense of the USA and other western countries.

And for this I can squarely lay the blame at the feet of china.

P.S. Ferrari takes offence at anyone impacting on their brand and sues them, maybe Chevy should sue the ass off of Cherie for similar transgressions.

[shaberon]

The "experiment in progress" is in the middle of "where did it go?", having seen a river of gold flowing so quickly it could not liquefy fast enough.


The answer to where it went is Funds (https://www.kitco.com/news/article/2025-04-10/gold-demand-surges-amid-economic-uncertainty-world-gold-council-reports):

In total, 92 tonnes of gold, valued at $8.6 billion, flowed into global ETFs last month. Meanwhile, 226 tonnes of gold, valued at $21 billion, flowed into ETFs in the first quarter, marking the second highest quarterly level in dollar terms, only behind the second quarter of 2020.


That's not into the hands of the common people as they do in India and Arab countries. This is an asset that is important for the terms of Basel III.

What we have just received is grease to a fire:


...with the U.S. dollar index dropping below 100 and Treasury yields rising out of their multi-decade range, gold was the ultimate beneficiary as the last safe haven standing.


It went to 3k and even up to $3,200.

Here are a few quotes from around Kitco (https://www.kitco.com/):



Although gold’s rally is starting to look a little parabolic with the latest move, analysts have said that it is difficult to know exactly where fair value is as the U.S. dollar drops and bond yields rise.

“Usually, gold would need to consolidate at new highs before fresh buyers emerge to take advantage of lower prices and a reduction in overbought conditions,’” said David Morrison, Senior Market Analyst at Trade Nation. “But investors were desperate to find a safe haven amidst the market carnage, particularly after the flight into US Treasuries, the traditional ‘flight to quality’ trade, went so spectacularly wrong. Gold continues to attract buyers who continue to look for safe havens amid the weaker dollar and the relentless stream of competing tariff headlines. But it is now up over 8% since Wednesday, so ‘caveat emptor.”

Naeem Aslam, Chief Investment Officer at Zaye Capital Markets, said he also expects gold prices will continue to rally.

“It’s overbought, no question—frothy even—but chaos like this flips the script,” he said. “When panic sets in, gold becomes the only port in the storm, and that fear can easily push it higher before reality kicks in.”



Jonas Goltermann, Deputy Chief Markets Economist at Capital Economics, said this is a sea change in the U.S. dollar as the world economy continues to react to President Donald Trump’s global tariffs.

“It is too soon to say what the longer-term effects of the past ten days’ turmoil will be, and there is still time for damage limitation by policymakers,” he said in a note. “But, in our view, it is no longer hyperbole to say that the dollar’s reserve status and broader dominant role is at least somewhat in question, even if the inertia and network effects that have kept the dollar on top for decades are not going away any time soon, and our base case is that it will recover to some degree.”

It’s not only a weak U.S. dollar that is supporting gold, but a surprising rise in U.S. bond yields. The yield on U.S. 10-year notes is ending the week at 4.5%; the market has seen its biggest push higher on record.

Traditionally, higher bond yields are negative for gold as they raise the precious metal's opportunity costs as a non-yielding asset. However, analysts note that U.S. bonds are selling off as the world starts to question America’s role as a reliable trading partner.

A weak U.S. dollar and higher bond yields mean investors are looking for other safe-haven assets such as gold, and to some extent, silver.


So, the attempt is to increase the Bond Yield to make it attractive, that is, so the government can get more loans.

Usually, such a move would be super-sweet and gold would remain on the shelf, but not this time.




“The rise in bond yields (in this particular unusual scenario) is super bullish for gold because it means that Treasuries are sinking as they lose their safe-haven appeal,” Colombo said. “That means that the Fed will soon need to end QT and launch QE to prop up the Treasury market, which will be rocket fuel for precious metals and commodities in general.”

Market analysts at TD Securities said that it is the threat of further economic weakness in the U.S. that is hurting the U.S. dollar and bond yields. Slower growth comes as the U.S. government continues to see a significant rise in debt.

“One reason for the loss of haven appeal is linked to the loss of US exceptionalism. In fact, the US's growth advantage to the rest of the world has finally disappeared after 2 years. US equities have also severely underperformed global equities, and the USD has mirrored that,” the analysts said. “We expect USD to weaken in 2025 as the gap between the US and the rest of the world shrinks.”


So, it's panic desperation for the ailing dollar and Treasuries. They are not designed to lose control and have to face reality. They depend on infinite growth spearheaded by military adventurism. The stock market can't do anything but indicate these are running smoothly. If not, there is no repair that it can actually make. Helpless.

[bojancan]

Very interesting and beneficial dialogue with those two intellectuals... so much informations... yes... for me! Mehdi and Yanis!

How the Center-Left is Responsible for the Rise of Fascism
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Mehdi Hasan speaks with Yanis Varoufakis — former finance minister of Greece and renowned left-wing intellectual — about the billionaire class of tech bros like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos growing in power in the US, the center-left's responsibility for the rise of fascism, and the genocide in Gaza in this Zeteo town hall.'

This interview originally aired as a LIVE Q&A on Zeteo.com, then was published exclusively to paid Zeteo.com subscribers. To participate in our next live Q&A, and to get early, EXCLUSIVE access to unfiltered, independent journalism — subscribe to our Substack here: https://zeteo.com/subscribe

Watch the full video to hear Mehdi and Varoufakis' fascinating conversation. They discuss Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, why US Democrats failed so badly in the last election, and why big tech leaders like Musk and Peter Thiel are so invested in pro-Israel speech.

"When they hear you and me talk about equal political rights from the river to the sea, they get really scared. Because for them, equality is the most potent and threatening word in the English language. Why? They know that they live on stolen land.”


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I agree with Kyle!!!

China HUMILIATES Trump As He CAVES On Tariffs | The Kyle Kulinski Show
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[bojancan]

Ryan and Saagar discuss China banning rare earth minerals to the US....

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IT'S ON: China BANS Rare Earth Minerals To US

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[bojancan]

Just finished this Kim's video... very well done! We all know what Trump is doing... he doesn't have a clue! My opinion... or he doesn't care....

We're LOSING The Tariff War With China: How Our Elites Sold Us Out

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Is China really cheating—or did America’s elites sell us out?

In this explosive segment, we break down the real story behind the U.S.-China trade war. From viral Chinese exposés pulling back the curtain on luxury brands made in Chinese factories, to viral clips exposing how tariffs have backfired—this isn’t the narrative you're getting from the mainstream.

We dig into how U.S. corporations handed over technology, offshored jobs, and gutted the middle class while blaming China for the fallout. Meanwhile, China built high-speed rail, smart cities, and an industrial base that’s now leaving the U.S. in the dust. So who's really winning this trade war?

Watch as we dismantle the myths about "Made in France" luxury, expose how even Trump merch is made in China, and hear a sobering message from a Chinese national calling out the rot inside America—not in Beijing, but in Washington and Wall Street.

[bojancan]

I am following what is going on with tariffs... so much is happening...

China CUTS OFF BOEING: CRIPPLING US Manufacturing

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There's no getting around the elephant in the room and 36 trillion debt.... his liberation day... is his Art of Bankruptcy...

The US Dollar Continues to Crash: What Next?
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🇨🇳🛑🇺🇸China has ordered its airlines not to take any further deliveries of Boeing, opens new tab jets in response to Trump's decision to impose 145% tariffs on Chinese goods

Shares of Boeing - which looks at China as one of its biggest growth markets and where rival Airbus, opens new tab holds a dominant position - were down 3% in premarket trading.

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"My trip to China in 2023 was memorable," she said, noting that China is one of Greenland's largest seafood markets. "China is very important to us, and we are eager to strengthen our cooperation."

Motzfeldt said her tasks include boosting exports, enhancing cooperation in the fisheries sector, and pursuing a free trade agreement with China.

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This chart signals a freight shock unfolding. A 49% drop in global container bookings and 64% collapse in U.S. imports within one week mirrors the kind of disruption seen after the 1930 Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act except what took months to manifest in the Great Depression is now happening in real-time.

The synchronized plunge in U.S.–China trade lanes (imports down 64%, exports down 36%) confirms that the retaliatory tariff war is already constricting cross-border logistics, with downstream consequences for inventories, inflation prints, and FX liquidity. Credit to zerohedge for spotlighting this pivotal chart.

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[Bill Ryan]

A fascinating report from Pepe Escobar, who's in Shanghai right now, and who probably knows more about China than anyone in Washington.

He's been talking to taxi drivers, PhD students, government officials, and everyone in between. He explains why there is no way that China can or will be subdued or defeated in this new US-launched trade war.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMIevaNwXMI

[Satori]

Remember, we are in the middle of a world war and we are all combatants. It remains to be seen who or what emerges the “winner” and when. If ever.

[onevoice]

Kevin O'Leary explain how Chinese company cheats American companies, and it won't be so easy for China to defeat USA in a tariff war:
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[BMJ]

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🇨🇳🛑🇺🇸China has ordered its airlines not to take any further deliveries of Boeing, opens new tab jets in response to Trump's decision to impose 145% tariffs on Chinese goods

Shares of Boeing - which looks at China as one of its biggest growth markets and where rival Airbus, opens new tab holds a dominant position - were down 3% in premarket trading.

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Currently Boeing is involved in

Is the designated developer of the next 6th generation fighter jet for the US Airforce (which will probably convert to about 200 plus airframes at a minimum).

Currently producing the FA-18F Super Hornet & EA-18F Growlers for the US Navy with production running threw to 2027.

26 E-7 Wedgetails on order to the US Airforce.

108 F-15EX on order.

65 AH-65E Apache helicopters on order.

Developing for manufacture the MQ-28 GhostBat (with over 10 test aircraft produced) for the RAAF & US Airforce.

The MQ-28 has also been in development for the US Navy alongside the MQ-25 Stingray since 2022.


So I am not worried about Boeing going anywhere.

Note 17/4/25
Chinese airlines were meant to have 179 commerical jets delivered from Boeing by end of 2027. Currently Boeing has a backlog of orders for its commercial jets and three Indian airlines are eager to take those jets designated for Chinese airlines as of today.

[jaybee]

Remember, we are in the middle of a world war and we are all combatants. It remains to be seen who or what emerges the “winner” and when. If ever.


A timely reminder - thanks -

This came to mind and it's as true today as it was in Dec 2019.....

In the blur of never ending propaganda, fake news, media spin + lies (from the main stream and sections of internet based 'alternative' ..)....it's easy to get side tracked - distracted and weakened from continual emotional bombardment ...



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[Merkaba360]

A fascinating report from Pepe Escobar, who's in Shanghai right now, and who probably knows more about China than anyone in Washington.

He's been talking to taxi drivers, PhD students, government officials, and everyone in between. He explains why there is no way that China can or will be subdued or defeated in this new US-launched trade war.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMIevaNwXMI

Come on, like this guy knows more about China than the secret societies with 1000s of years of experience, spies, intel agencies, probably the most advanced AI and hacking in the world.

Also tired of hearing the BS about the 5000 year history as if it was one strong unit for 5000 years. We have just as much history as a european culture thats taken its knowledge from Babylon, Egypt and likely Atlantis. Like somehow 1000s of years of caveman experience outweighs, a 75 year advantage of spending trillions of $ per year thru the black budget. All the other super powers had rough decades while we had far more money to spend developing tech that would seem like magic or impossible to the normies. But then again we dont know how all the ET and interdimensional alliances are on this world.

What im pretty sure of is that the chinese people are suffering the most right now. And given a country of thievery and fakery , that compounds problems during hardship times.
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I mean , this guy is literally speaking from china, so his perspectives are hardly unbiased lol. Nobody is even saying that the US goal is to "defeat" china. They are likely willing to lose hundreds of millions of citizens. Its about forcing them to join the legal system and be accountable.

US can keep growing thru immigration, china can not as long as it can just confiscate all your assets and do anything out of whim. How are they going to gain the trust to run a world currency. The US has many decades of trust gained in this area.

Lei from Lei's real talk released a video about their leaked strategy. If that is not disinfo, that shows their problem of infighting. She says that their think tanks have advised that if they conceded to the tariff wars, that the US would then go for legal lawsuits and reparations for covid. So, i assume that conceding means agree to international law.

Also, there are probably many other possibilities for Trump t pull. Like releasing various types of secret tech that empowers the people which is not good for those trying to maintain power. That would make him more popular. Who has the most experience and success overthrowing regimes? Who has the most innovative geniuses? As consciousness rises and advanced benevolent beings are able to help the countries that will lead us a step closer to freedom and prosperity, which countries do you think will most likely be given key assistance? Russia? China? Nigeria? France? Germany? Japan? USA? The Maldives? lol

Not too mention a pretty accurate predictor seeing China and Europe markets crashing first. that doesnt sound like having the upper hand economically.

Its not about US subduing anybody. Their plan is to increase the stress of a culture that is already stressed to the max working themselves to the bone, often for not a good return. They are getting more and more educated as they study just as hard. And the consciousness of the youth rising. Yea, good luck with that. The chinese will decide if they want to change their system.

[Bill Ryan]

For those who may appreciate Jeffrey Sachs (and I am one), here he is giving an address at the Antalya Diplomacy Forum (https://antalyadf.org/en/adf-2025-2/) in Turkey in which he explains — again — why (a) Trump doesn't know what he's doing, and (b) all this will end in tears. He's really pretty scathing.
A few notes:
1) The forum was held over 11-13 April. Jeffrey Sachs' address was on 12 April, 4 days ago.
2) Sachs isn't a 'leftist Democrat' by any means. He's simply an economics professor with a profoundly moral worldview.
3) Sachs doesn't understand the cause of climate change, and still believes it's man-made. But this is unconnected with the tariffs issue.
4) He's not the only person talking in this hour-long video. Those who want to hear Sachs' views alone can easily jump to the sections when he's speaking.
My own personal position on this is that economics is my very weakest suit, though I've worked fairly hard to learn quite a lot in the last week. However, it feels that I somehow did 'see' what feels like the general outcome of this disruption right at the start.

I have to say that I believe all this will end badly, most likely for the US but possibly also for the entire global economy, though (as will all major disruptions, whether geophysical or geopolitical), there will some nations that will emerge in much better shape than others.

Re the video title, Sachs really does say this in the first few minutes of the video. :flower:

"I’d Fail Him as a Student": Sachs Publicly Grades Trump’s Trade Illiteracy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ojbEIX8Nw

[BMJ]

When Are You Going To Take A Stand Against China

China both militarily and economical is a domineering, aggressive bully which would come into your house and take everything including the kitchen sink.

Look at how they treat Taiwan and the Philippines.

Or how they are responding to the tariffs

Tariffs are about fostering industry and protecting that industry and that is what President Trump is doing.

And yes there will be growing pains as the western world weens itself off of Chinese products.

But when you have a bully like China, just like dealing with school yard bully, you have no choice but to go in hard because that's all they understand and respect.

Going softly softly is not going to work.

P.S. Thanks China for banning rare earth exports because thanks to you President Trump is looking at export of the these minerals from Australia.

Because of your banning of Boeing jets you have managed to put another nail in your coffin, tell me who is going to want to invest in China or export to china when the CCP can ruin a deal on a whim.

It's painfully obvious that the poor people of China are suffering because of the CCP indifference.

Well a little revolution once in a while can be a good thing.

You might want reconsider your position China and come to the table after all you rely on our gas, coal, steel, crops for your economy and survival.

And some time soon we are not going to want your trinkets.

Did you forget about how the USA and allies mobilized it's peace time industry into war time production during WW2.

Well we are here again China and this time around you are our economic enemy.

And in the coming years Motor City Detroit is reopening for business amongst other icons and your going to be on the back foot then China.

So might want to reconsider you position and cut a deal or not.

[Merkaba360]

So, I heard a new take today from an intuitive reader. No idea the skill level of this person, but I thought you all need to hear this unique take to keep an eye out for this possibility.

He was very surprised and wasn't expecting it to come thru like this. But he said that we are all being played and they both already know theyll need to make a deal. That they have to do all the theatre like this to get us to go along with it. Also, that Trump will come out a bit ahead on the deal, as china has some problem that they are in over there head with. hmmm....any ideas what that could be?

He said that US and China realize that being the 2 biggest powers that their best option is to team up so that they can bully and dominate everyone else. That they will work out deals together where they will screw over the rest of the world and theyll dominate the globe. So, low tariffs between each other and both taxing the heck out of others. I can see where this would make sense if both countries see they are in danger of crashing in power and decide they can work together and keep both strong rather than fight until one or both lose.

Takes like this make "Top Economist" opinions virtually meaningless. In other words, the game being played is probably not what everyone thinks and so any expert is just completely wrong on how things look cuz they dont know the method to the madness. The reader said these people are extremely cunning.

If this were to happen, Id assume that USA would basicallly be given dominant jurisdiction over the western hemisphere and china the eastern. He is saying Canada and europeare right to be worried, cuz they are screwed if this succeeds.

Obviously, as an American, this wouldn't be the worst outcome for me. I'm not sure how bad of a scenario this would be for the globe. If this is a way to take down the dark occultists running the show from europe (ancient secret societies, rothschilds and 13 families, zionists, vatican, and basically the diddy faction), then I suppose it could be progress. But sounds like a lot of collateral damage for many countries.

Perhaps theyll make some deals so we can get global trade back to thriving. I would then plan on the rising in consciousness to sort out the rest, thwarting some of their more nefarious and most controlling goals.

Or this flip flopping of friends and enemies is enough to wake people up that its just a big elite game and people stop believing in the dramas between countries. Could make it harder to get people to go to war.

Anyway, I just thought I'd float this scenario into the mix. lol

[bojancan]

Interesting talk... in my humble opinion... the world is dumping US dollar.. and US bonds in a crazy way now... and this has been going on since a few years of course ... remember first Trump administration and tariffs... but now these moments... it is happening more faster... does Trump has a clue???


China’s Plan to Destroy the Dollar (And It’s Kind of Working)

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[jaybee]

So, I heard a new take today from an intuitive reader. No idea the skill level of this person, but I thought you all need to hear this unique take to keep an eye out for this possibility.

He was very surprised and wasn't expecting it to come thru like this. But he said that we are all being played and they both already know theyll need to make a deal. That they have to do all the theatre like this to get us to go along with it. Also, that Trump will come out a bit ahead on the deal, as china has some problem that they are in over there head with. hmmm....any ideas what that could be?

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re the bolded....perhaps that's about America having an edge over China with technology that can manipulate time and space....?

The disappearance of MH370 being a demonstration of that superiority....?

Just speculating... as you asked.... :)

[onevoice]

He said that US and China realize that being the 2 biggest powers that their best option is to team up so that they can bully and dominate everyone else. That they will work out deals together where they will screw over the rest of the world and theyll dominate the globe. So, low tariffs between each other and both taxing the heck out of others. I can see where this would make sense if both countries see they are in danger of crashing in power and decide they can work together and keep both strong rather than fight until one or both lose.

Takes like this make "Top Economist" opinions virtually meaningless. In other words, the game being played is probably not what everyone thinks and so any expert is just completely wrong on how things look cuz they dont know the method to the madness. The reader said these people are extremely cunning.

If this were to happen, Id assume that USA would basicallly be given dominant jurisdiction over the western hemisphere and china the eastern. He is saying Canada and europeare right to be worried, cuz they are screwed if this succeeds.


I think you are onto something there, that US and China are not necessarily fighting against each other; although on the surface it seems that the US and China are facing off in economic war.

I saw the following YouTube presentation by Tom Luongo, which provides alternative view of the high level strategy that Trump is using that so far no one else to my knowledge have considered.

Short introductory summary of Tom Luongo (https://seekingalpha.com/author/tom-luongo):

I am a former research chemist by trade and an Austrian Economist by study and a market analyst by choice. For the past four years I have been a Senior Financial Editor with Newsmax Media publishing my thoughts on where markets, central banks, gold and geopolitics meet and explode.

I am now the publisher of Gold, Goats n' Guns, a monthly newsletter offered through Patreon.

I have been an investor and market analyst for more seventeen years and am an astute observer in changes within the culture and the political landscape.

My summary of the main points Tom Luongo is making in the following video:
Tom Luongo thinks UK is going to trading war with the USA by using the following strategy:
1. Sell Treasuries
2. Buy dollars
3. Sell dollars
4. Buy Euros
5. Buy Euros
6. Have Euros
7. Buy German Buns - German Bun market is so much smaller than the US Treasury market.
8. Trying to maintain 2.62 on the German tenure and allow Euros to appreciate
9. It was Europeans that were dumping treasuries and here is the last piece of that puzzle. over $1.1T of Euros (except for Switzerland) net into long-term US treasuries held by those Central Banks. Total amount of money the European central bank controls is $3.5T according to the last TIC report which is for January.

The Europeans have collectively $3.4T dollars who collectively hate US.

So the US Tariff war's real target is the European Union.

China doesn't want their Yuan to appreciate, so they use the US dollars to buy something else.

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[T Smith]

For those who may appreciate Jeffrey Sachs (and I am one), here he is giving an address at the Antalya Diplomacy Forum (https://antalyadf.org/en/adf-2025-2/) in Turkey in which he explains — again — why (a) Trump doesn't know what he's doing, and (b) all this will end in tears. He's really pretty scathing.
A few notes:
1) The forum was held over 11-13 April. Jeffrey Sachs' address was on 12 April, 4 days ago.
2) Sachs isn't a 'leftist Democrat' by any means. He's simply an economics professor with a profoundly moral worldview.
3) Sachs doesn't understand the cause of climate change, and still believes it's man-made. But this is unconnected with the tariffs issue.
4) He's not the only person talking in this hour-long video. Those who want to hear Sachs' views alone can easily jump to the sections when he's speaking.
My own personal position on this is that economics is my very weakest suit, though I've worked fairly hard to learn quite a lot in the last week. However, it feels that I somehow did 'see' what feels like the general outcome of this disruption right at the start.

I have to say that I believe all this will end badly, most likely for the US but possibly also for the entire global economy, though (as will all major disruptions, whether geophysical or geopolitical), there will some nations that will emerge in much better shape than others.

Re the video title, Sachs really does say this in the first few minutes of the video. :flower:

"I’d Fail Him as a Student": Sachs Publicly Grades Trump’s Trade Illiteracy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ojbEIX8Nw

To be perfectly blunt, I'm not convinced understanding the trade war--and specifically the economic consequences of the Trump Administration--is anyone's strong suit, least of all an orthodox Keynesian economist who may be an expert on the globalist economic ecosystem, but out of his lane when analyzing what seems to be a shift (or attempted shift) to a new economic paradigm. His understanding of climate change, for example (though it may not be connected to the tariff issue) is a good analogy to illustrate how a learned expert can be so off in his end analysis. Working off one false premise, e.g., understanding of how the laws of economics operate in the old paradigm, can radically alter the end conclusion per the butterfly effect, even if every other fact that follows is perfectly sound... I for one think it is way too premature to pass any judgement on the possible outcomes of this "trade tussle" between the economic superpowers one way or the other.

But Sachs is correct: the United States is consuming more than it is producing. But there are governors in place facilitating--even exacerbating--that dynamic. These are not organic governors (as Sach's implies/assumes)--these are deliberate governors. With insidious purpose. The objective of these governors (the argument goes) is to crush the self-sufficiency of a free people (essentially executing a slow/soft kill), marching them ever so slowly and in unnoticeable increments, as the frog in the pot, down a road to serfdom and to ultimate servitude per the planed objective of the masters/controllers/architects of the global order. This is what is happening, economically, in the United States, and the country will eventually collapse under its own weight if the governors imposed on the economic trade imbalance are not removed.

Yes, removing them may be a disaster--I honestly do not know. I'm not saying Sachs is necessarily wrong saying so--but he does seem to be analyzing from a huge blind spot. One thing is sure: Keeping the status quo will be equally--even more disastrous--in the long run.

[T Smith]

"I’d Fail Him as a Student": Sachs Publicly Grades Trump’s Trade Illiteracy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ojbEIX8Nw

One more observation on this perspective. Sachs opens with the following analogy: “If you take your credit card and go shopping and run up a large credit card debt, you’re running a trade deficit with all those shops. It would be pretty strange if you blamed all the shop owners for having sold you all those things (You’re ripping me off! You’re ripping me off! You’re ripping me off! I’m running a trade deficit!)"

This does reflect Trump’s rhetoric. But in the vein of misinterpreting Trump, this interpretation does not reflect the underlying message. And in fact, Trump repeatedly has said he doesn’t “blame” China for “ripping off” the United States at all. Trump repeatedly has said America’s trade partners are “smart”, that he, too, would do the exact same thing in their position. What Trump is saying, between the lines—and this is an important distinction—we’re taking our ball away and not playing by these rules any longer, namely the post-WWII Bretton Woods Keynesian Global Order that is ultimately destroying America.

I would ask everyone who often takes Trump too literally, how does one convey such a message to your “populist” audience with a sixth-grade level understanding of the post WWII-Bretton Woods Keynesian Global Order? Oh…yeah. You simply say, you’re ripping me off! You’re ripping me off! I’m running a trade deficit!

Sachs doesn’t elaborate on “the rules” (though he’s well aware of them), which established the dollar as the world reserve currency and enabled America (and more specifically the global-elitist ruling class) to run a trade deficit with all those shops, but more insidious, to exploit America as one big bank to impose (so-called) American Hegemony and erect (more-aptly called) Imperialist World Order that has nothing to do with America and eventually ends with all us as serfs subsisting in 15-minute cities eating bugs, owning nothing, and being perfectly happy and docile about it. I suppose that’s the most humane way to cull the world population and create an environment of servitude for those of us who survive it.

The exploitation process described above necessitates buying the people’s politicians, which Sachs is correct about—but everybody already knows this. By his analysis “the political system says spend, but don’t tax us,” and everybody is fat and happy. This is what results “a chronic deficit in the United States.” And for that “Donald Trump blames the world”. The implication is the blame falls on the American people themselves and their corrupt political system. Exactly right. That’s the point. Except, again (in my view) Sachs is too literal with his interpretation.. Trump isn’t blaming the world for this; he is exposing the flaws of the International Monetary system of which Sachs is both a student and expert. And though the political system does say “spend but don’t tax”, the economic reality is far different. The system taxes the Bejesus out of us in direct proportion to the chronic deficit. So for all intents and purposes, the "chronic deficit" is an illusion. The tax is paid through the inflation of goods and services, and is borne mostly (not by the rich) but by the working and middle classes.

I really can’t speak to what extent Donald Trump blames the world for this, as charged, but I will say his policies are an attempt to address these issues.

The reason Trump didn’t make it to the second day of Sach’s International Monetary Economics course is because Trump is not taking that course. He’s pursuing a different course/ economic model altogether. I have no idea whether following that syllabus will work out or not, or whether it will end in disaster. I’m not really arguing for that or advocating for it; just understanding it for what it is and differently from the way the economist here presents the situation from a Keynesian post WWII point of view.

Bottom line? We’re in uncharted waters and there really is no way to know which way this is going to go….

[Matthew]

Thank God for tariffs from the USA on the UK. Some leverage against our (UK's) absurd anti-free speech crusade. God bless America.

[rgray222]

"I’d Fail Him as a Student": Sachs Publicly Grades Trump’s Trade Illiteracy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ojbEIX8Nw

One more observation on this perspective. Sachs opens with the following analogy: “If you take your credit card and go shopping and run up a large credit card debt, you’re running a trade deficit with all those shops. It would be pretty strange if you blamed all the shop owners for having sold you all those things (You’re ripping me off! You’re ripping me off! You’re ripping me off! I’m running a trade deficit!)"



I agree with your comment wholeheartedly, but I would like to add:

When you are the largest customer in the world and you run up a deficit with the largest store in the world, that is not a good thing. When the store is forced to raise its prices by 150-300%, then you (the customer) simply stop buying products from that store. The store then looks around the world to sell to another large customer, but none can replace its largest customer. Especially when all the other customers of that store are also running very high deficits. Well, the store is in for a world of trouble when it can't move its product. There is a good chance that the stores will either go bankrupt or the store's economy will crash and burn. But the store is arrogant and will likely crash and burn, and attempt to cover up the damage until it becomes obvious to all the other customers around the world. If and when it gets to that point, anything is possible.

A final point............the stores first go to would be to sell their products in their own home market. But because the store has purposely kept the wages extremely low to grow their market share around the world, the people can't afford the store's products. The store is a victim of their own illegal, unfair, and unethical trade practices.

Personally, I hate to see this happen, but China is bringing this on themselves. I feel we should make every effort to have a good relationship with China instead of playing brinkmanship.

[bojancan]

"When all else fails they take you to war." -- Gerald Celente

In US we know... that people have trouble putting food on the table for their family... so, this is why the US government talk about... how much they have to spends on its military!
Like so many analysts and critics have pointed out... the Pentagon has never passed... not a single audit in its entire existence... tens of trillions of dollars that have been given to the Pentagon... all over the years have gone missing... without anybody knowing what those money were being used on... or where they were spending...
Unlike the average US citizens... nobody at the Pentagon is being held accountable ever!
Every year more hundreds of billions of dollars... specially this year... are simply being poured into this corrupt bottomless money... money pit known as the Pentagon that eats up a huge chunk of the US’s GDP... and taking medical care and food away from the mouths of children... elderly people and their family without any oversight... into how it operates and how it spends its money whatsoever!
That's the plan and work of this president also!!!

Bellow good Brian analysis...
"The US is preparing to subject its own population as well as those of its supposed “allies” to immense long-term economic, social, and political pain. The cost-of-living crisis in the US will only grow worse. The US hopes that it can endure economic pain and disruption at home and abroad better than the emerging multipolar world can. Multipolarism’s survival will depend on proving otherwise."


Worst Case Scenario: Trump’s Tariffs Walling US Off Ahead of Wider World Conflict
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[bojancan]

Here I am adding yesterday Alexander Dugin words...

"A restructuring of the entire world has begun...only great powers...will be able to preserve their sovereignty...small states face the grim prospect of being torn apart under the pressure of these great powers...now becoming the sole actors in global politics....

USA is almost exclusively responsible for this "restructuring".. but US's world conquest scheme went full bore after the close of WWII. Right now, we're watching US's expanded bloodbath, in advance of its long-dreamed of nuclear holocaust, unfold before our eyes. Tariffs as the lame cover for throwing the first bomb."

So true!

[White Cedar]

Like, for real i don't believe any country in the world is independent and are enemies, this may look like the old conspiracy mindset, but i think the truth is that US, China, Russia, and all else are in the hands of the one single group for like centuries, among with the Alien control presence, and they just play games and chose the theater game of actors pretending that this country is enemy of this one and so on, i think this is the truth all time, they are players of the same hands, and that's how the push agendas to justify they deed's, all part of the same secret society BS, so i don't believe in any real fight between China x US x Russia X Venezuela x Taiwan x Arab countries at all.

I think it's all surface level fake game play.

[norman]

I'm not sure this isn't a spoof/disinfo but it's an interesting listen whatever it is.

It claims to be Xi's "secret" plan to counter Trump and the USA. All out total war, with multiple strands of strategy. The noises coming out of Canada lately seem to give away the age of this plan so even if it's the real thing, I don't think it was all dreamed up in the last week or two since Trump launched his tariffs.

Well, we already know that China has been at war with America for quite some time. The 2020 election flip wasn't even the beginning of it. It really goes back to the 1950s and a hundred year plan.


CCP’s master plan to counter Trump causes panic among Chinese officials

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[T Smith]

I feel we should make every effort to have a good relationship with China instead of playing brinkmanship.

And this is the part that remains to be seen. The Trump Administration needs to bring China to the table while providing some opportunity for them to save face and not appear submissive or bullied. That is the biggest challenge. IMO. To the degree Trump et. al are successful at that, we are either living through in real time the Art of the Deal or the Art of Hubris, (which I don't believe has been written yet). I honestly don't know which way this is going to go.

What concerns me most is how volatile the situation is and how much influence all the detractors of what Trump is trying to pull off have on the operation. A good swath of the population--and plenty of power brokers with influence to move markets and/or who are heavily invested in the NWO--want to see this blow up in Trump's face. They are doing everything in their power to see to it, even if it means wiping out their life savings and assuming roles of arsonist by setting the world economy ablaze (TDS never ceases to amaze me). If Trump sticks to his guns and doesn't succeed at getting a strong China to the table, sabateurs may just have their long awaited due to bring Trump down (where before they failed miserably with everything else they threw at him, e.g., the Steel Dossier, the impeachments, the 24/7 hit-piece narratives, the constant negative media propaganda, and even bullets and assassins, among other things...) A deep stock market crash and prolonged economic uncertainty will rattle even the most staunch supporters. It may just turn the table and give China the cards to bring the US to the table.

The United States main adversary isn't China or any of its other unfair trading partners. It is those ready to exploit the chaos to bring down Trump.

[onevoice]

I feel we should make every effort to have a good relationship with China instead of playing brinkmanship.

And this is the part that remains to be seen. The Trump Administration needs to bring China to the table while providing some opportunity for them to save face and not appear submissive or bullied. That is the biggest challenge. IMO. To the degree Trump et. al are successful at that, we are either living through in real time the Art of the Deal or the Art of Hubris, (which I don't believe has been written yet). I honestly don't know which way this is going to go.

What concerns me most is how volatile the situation is and how much influence all the detractors of what Trump is trying to pull off have on the operation. A good swath of the population--and plenty of power brokers with influence to move markets and/or who are heavily invested in the NWO--want to see this blow up in Trump's face. They are doing everything in their power to see to it, even if it means wiping out their life savings and assuming roles of arsonist by setting the world economy ablaze (TDS never ceases to amaze me). If Trump sticks to his guns and doesn't succeed at getting a strong China to the table, sabateurs may just have their long awaited due to bring Trump down (where before they failed miserably with everything else they threw at him, e.g., the Steel Dossier, the impeachments, the 24/7 hit-piece narratives, the constant negative media propaganda, and even bullets and assassins, among other things...) A deep stock market crash and prolonged economic uncertainty will rattle even the most staunch supporters. It may just turn the table and give China the cards to bring the US to the table.

The United States main adversary isn't China or any of its other unfair trading partners. It is those ready to exploit the chaos to bring down Trump.

I agree with you 100% with all you said here. We're at a major inflection point in our history. I hope that more Americans will truly realize what is really happening, instead of getting caught up with the MSM. Our real liberty is at stake here. Ever since the JFK assassination, our freedom has been eroded away by our main adversary. Our younger generation is clueless for the most part about how our freedom has been slowly taken away from us. My own niece and her BF is classic examples of the clueless. Her BF voted for Harris just because he heard and read about how awful Donald Trump is.

I would say the prominent public faces of our main adversary are: George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Larry Fink, and Bill Gates. Of course these are the front men that we can see. Those that wield the true power to erode our freedom will always remain behind the scenes of public view.

Perhaps because our basic freedom is at stake here, Trump called his strategy the "Liberation Day."

[bojancan]

While the Trump Administration is escalating tensions with Beijing through a soaring trade war, Chinese President Xi Jinping is on a tour of Southeast Asia, where he’s promoting free trade, and presenting China as a source of “stability and certainty,” at a time when the U.S. is the opposite.

Journalist and Geopolitical Analyst Danny Haiphong noted that the U.S. is actively engaged in a three-front proxy war against China, Russia and Iran, and that while Washington is trying to preserve U.S. hegemony, it’s also worried about other nations choosing to work with China and furthering the rise of the multipolar world.


China Promotes FREE TRADE as Trump Pursues 3-Front WAR for US Hegemony | Danny Haiphong

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[onawah]

Lei is a genuine source, as far as I know. ThePythonicCow thinks so too.
There are countless sources of "news" (CCP propaganda) now, and it takes a lot of focus to discern the truth of what's really going on in China.
From what I can tell, the truth is just unbelievable for most people, as reality there has become so incredibly dystopian.
(Including some gullible Avalonians (or perhaps they are Avalonians who are actually trolls or shills...)





it's a little hard to explain how come [AGI] hadn't been developed in China by 2029
I follow the Youtube channel Lei's Real Talk (https://www.youtube.com/@LeisRealTalk). She's a Chinese ex-pat living in the U.S. who follows Chinese politics and related economic and government issues closely.
At the same time I posted the above, Lei (pronounced as in English "Lay") was posting what might be her best analysis yet of what's going on in China.

My summary: The Chinese military is taking down CCP General Chairman Xi Jinping. But Xi's spy network is too strong, so the military can't get directly at Xi. There are spies everywhere and any such plans get reported to Xi and those trying such are purged.

So the Chinese military is pursuing Xi's own agenda of taking over Taiwan, with even more provocations, with the intention of taking down Xi in the increasing tensions and turmoil.

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I'm not sure this isn't a spoof/disinfo but it's an interesting listen whatever it is.

It claims to be Xi's "secret" plan to counter Trump and the USA. All out total war, with multiple strands of strategy. The noises coming out of Canada lately seem to give away the age of this plan so even if it's the real thing, I don't think it was all dreamed up in the last week or two since Trump launched his tariffs.

Well, we already know that China has been at war with America for quite some time. The 2020 election flip wasn't even the beginning of it. It really goes back to the 1950s and a hundred year plan.


CCP’s master plan to counter Trump causes panic among Chinese officials

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[norman]

Lei is a genuine source, as far as I know. ThePythonicCow thinks so too.
There are countless sources of "news" (CCP propaganda) now, and it takes a lot of focus to discern the truth of what's really going on in China.
From what I can tell, the truth is just unbelievable for most people, as reality there has become so incredibly dystopian.
(Including some gullible Avalonians (or perhaps they are Avalonians who are actually trolls or shills...)


I agree about Lei, I believe she's genuine and trying to do her best but disagree about what I think you mean about Chinese propaganda. China is part of a global operation, and as such is multifunctional, it even has an acting part in the 3rd generation warfare play the globalists are putting on for us to fascinate us all the way to our defeat and their victorious goal.


I've just spent too many hours creating this 1 hour 20 minute (cd length) audio file from a 3+ hours Tore Maras podcast. I hope people will listen to it.

mp3 - 1 hour 20 minutes
Tore Maras - The China-Taiwan-Evergreen PR 'show for the world' deception (https://app.box.com/s/sekb0pixpbdahaj3wy9m2w70nnx6iw0o)
https://app.box.com/s/sekb0pixpbdahaj3wy9m2w70nnx6iw0o

At 16 minutes into this Tore says "a real war between China and Taiwan would cripple both of them, they're not going to have one, it's a show".

She also says that Taiwan is to China what Puerto Rico is to the US, actually more integrated into China policy and planning than Puerto Rico is to the US.

The unity between China and Taiwan is through the commercial/corporate structure that is also the method of integrating the entire world into a single digital hub. Power players all around the corporate world are involved in the same unity project. Our tendency to mind map current affairs using national flags is a naivety we cling to at great peril of being used as the digital army assets to complete the global digital unity and the power that goes with it.

Tore describes aspects of the 'shipping' company known as Evergreen. It's a whole lot more than a shipping company. It's effectively one of the robots assembling the final digital hub.

[onawah]

I agree that the CCP's China is part of a global operation, and I spent nearly 5 years keeping a very close eye about how that was materializing, which I recorded from 2020 until very recently on the 59 page "Turmoil in China" thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111363-Turmoil-in-China&highlight=turmoil+in+china
But recently I grew weary of posting there because there has been so little general, cumulative interest in monitoring China (whereas such a lot of obvious (to me, at least) propaganda and disinfo has been posted even here on the forum lately.)
I think it has been a very dangerous mistake to ignore the source of so much of the world's darkness for so long, as if all the darkness being generated there was somehow staying contained within China's own borders.
But I think it has come to the point now where China under the CCP has become so self-destructive that it is imploding and in the long run, no amount of propaganda will be able to hide the shocking reality.


Lei is a genuine source, as far as I know. ThePythonicCow thinks so too.
There are countless sources of "news" (CCP propaganda) now, and it takes a lot of focus to discern the truth of what's really going on in China.
From what I can tell, the truth is just unbelievable for most people, as reality there has become so incredibly dystopian.
(Including some gullible Avalonians (or perhaps they are Avalonians who are actually trolls or shills...)


I agree about Lei, I believe she's genuine and trying to do her best but disagree about what I think you mean about Chinese propaganda. China is part of a global operation, and as such is multifunctional, it even has an acting part in the 3rd generation warfare play the globalists are putting on for us to fascinate us all the way to our defeat and their victorious goal.

[norman]

But I think it has come to the point now where China under the CCP has become so self-destructive that it is imploding and in the long run, no amount of propaganda will be able to hide the shocking reality.


The CCP has delivered all it could deliver. It operates on the basis of a nation state. Unhindered, the world is on the brink of moving into a technical network control system.

If the globalists can lock in that global network single state, the nations, all of them including political nation state China can fall by the wayside. There will be no difference to living in an ex democratic European country and living in an ex communist country once that global system is up and running.

By then, the CCP and it's politburo will be as redundant as a polling booth and fake elected representatives were in England.

[edina]

Lei is a genuine source, as far as I know. ThePythonicCow thinks so too.
There are countless sources of "news" (CCP propaganda) now, and it takes a lot of focus to discern the truth of what's really going on in China.
From what I can tell, the truth is just unbelievable for most people, as reality there has become so incredibly dystopian.
(Including some gullible Avalonians (or perhaps they are Avalonians who are actually trolls or shills...)


I agree about Lei, I believe she's genuine and trying to do her best but disagree about what I think you mean about Chinese propaganda. China is part of a global operation, and as such is multifunctional, it even has an acting part in the 3rd generation warfare play the globalists are putting on for us to fascinate us all the way to our defeat and their victorious goal.


I've just spent too many hours creating this 1 hour 20 minute (cd length) audio file from a 3+ hours Tore Maras podcast. I hope people will listen to it.

mp3 - 1 hour 20 minutes
Tore Maras - The China-Taiwan-Evergreen PR 'show for the world' deception (https://app.box.com/s/sekb0pixpbdahaj3wy9m2w70nnx6iw0o)
https://app.box.com/s/sekb0pixpbdahaj3wy9m2w70nnx6iw0o

At 16 minutes into this Tore says "a real war between China and Taiwan would cripple both of them, they're not going to have one, it's a show".

She also says that Taiwan is to China what Puerto Rico is to the US, actually more integrated into China policy and planning than Puerto Rico is to the US.

The unity between China and Taiwan is through the commercial/corporate structure that is also the method of integrating the entire world into a single digital hub. Power players all around the corporate world are involved in the same unity project. Our tendency to mind map current affairs using national flags is a naivety we cling to at great peril of being used as the digital army assets to complete the global digital unity and the power that goes with it.

Tore describes aspects of the 'shipping' company known as Evergreen. It's a whole lot more than a shipping company. It's effectively one of the robots assembling the final digital hub.

One, Tore (https://toresays.com/) is a good writer. When she read the preface to her third book in the Digital Domain series, I kept thinking and felt, this is almost poetic, the way she uses the language in that preface. It was lyrically beautiful.

Two, what she shares about the relationship between Taiwan and China has made me rethink everything I thought about the situation in Taiwan. Recently, as I read an article posted in ZeroHedge, Extraordinary US-China Cyber Meeting Revealed (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extraordinary-us-china-cyber-meeting-revealed) which is a a reprint of an Epoch Times article, when the reporter quoted a concern about Taiwan in the way the narrative is typically discussed and accepted as true, I thought about what Tore shared.

Tore's research (https://toresays.com/) changes the meaning of a whole slew of actions and events.

People continue to underestimate China. It's been an "empire" for a very long time, and as such has excelled in using deception to gain control of surrounding areas.

In the Q material there were many posts that kept pointing toward Evergreen. As Tore (https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/china-luxury-and-aliens/) shares more about Evergreen those Q-posts make more and more sense.

BTW, love your audio mix norm, thanks for sharing it here. :sun:

[edina]

I agree that the CCP's China is part of a global operation, and I spent nearly 5 years keeping a very close eye about how that was materializing, which I recorded from 2020 until very recently on the 59 page "Turmoil in China" thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111363-Turmoil-in-China&highlight=turmoil+in+china
But recently I grew weary of posting there because there has been so little general, cumulative interest in monitoring China (whereas such a lot of obvious (to me, at least) propaganda and disinfo has been posted even here on the forum lately.
I think it has been a very dangerous mistake to ignore the source of so much of the world's darkness for so long, as if all the darkness being generated there was somehow staying contained within China's own borders.
But I think it has come to the point now where China under the CCP has become so self-destructive that it is imploding and in the long run, no amount of propaganda will be able to hide the shocking reality.


Lei is a genuine source, as far as I know. ThePythonicCow thinks so too.
There are countless sources of "news" (CCP propaganda) now, and it takes a lot of focus to discern the truth of what's really going on in China.
From what I can tell, the truth is just unbelievable for most people, as reality there has become so incredibly dystopian.
(Including some gullible Avalonians (or perhaps they are Avalonians who are actually trolls or shills...)


I agree about Lei, I believe she's genuine and trying to do her best but disagree about what I think you mean about Chinese propaganda. China is part of a global operation, and as such is multifunctional, it even has an acting part in the 3rd generation warfare play the globalists are putting on for us to fascinate us all the way to our defeat and their victorious goal.


I can relate to and understand your discouragement about posting in the China thread. The general interest may be there, but it may not be so apparent. Thank you for what you've done over the years in trying to help people stay informed on the China issue and many other issues, as well.

What you say about the CCP is something I've been hearing for a while too. This is happening at every level, I think, in every nation and also within the context of the global arena. Institutional systems oscillating as they are overwhelmed.

My understanding is there is tension between CCP and PLA. And in some places, a welling up of public frustration among the people that is very close to bursting. It's like everyone, everywhere is trying to climb a mountain as the talus rock is slipping out from under their feet, trying hard to not be overwhelmed with events.

No one is immune to this.

[onawah]

There are several factors which can change things radically in China and very soon, the first being the possible failure of the 3 Gorges Dam which could quickly bring about the fall of the CCP.
(Taiwan probably has the means to cause that if provoked enough, which the CCP surely knows, though that hasn't stopped their years of saber rattling.)
The mood of the Chinese people has grown increasingly grim, amply demonstrated by their numerous daily attacks on the very factories and other businesses that provide them with jobs (which these days are very often non-paying jobs), and their homicidal and suicidal attacks on each other, all of which surely have the CCP very worried.
See 23 minutes into this video:
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And "The Bollard Report" 20 minutes into this video
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[shaberon]

Taking in a few snippets from Kitco, this is the truest part:



Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia President Patrick Harker said on Tuesday the true level of poverty in the United States might be understated, in comments that did not address the monetary policy and economic outlook.

“The way we have historically measured economic stability of low-income households may no longer work,” Harker said in an essay on economic mobility issues. He said a family earning twice the federal poverty line metric may still face big economic challenges.


Except it never worked. It's a college-degreed system of suppression. Right now, it combines with IMF reducing growth expectations for...the world. Meanwhile:



Along with weak growth forecasts, the IMF also revised its U.S. inflation outlook to 3%, up 1 percentage point from the initial projection in January.



Private investment does not want Treasuries, though governments might:



For the third time in as many weeks, gold is experiencing another major rally as investors flee into gold, while demand for other traditional safe-haven assets, including the US dollar and Treasuries, weakens.

The two top owners of U.S. Treasuries - Japan and China - increased their U.S. debt holdings in February, when they braced for U.S. President Donald Trump's erratic trade policies.

Foreign holdings of U.S. Treasuries rose 3.4% to $8.817 trillion in February, data from the Treasury Department showed.


even though they are not getting more appealing:


The yield on benchmark U.S. 10-year notes fell 2.8 basis points to 4.377%, from 4.405% late on Monday.


The stock market may have some rallies, which does nothing for the common person.


Anyone want to talk soybean oil? I go through gallons of it all the time. If China turns off its imports, then, the prices will be raised to us, and you will be out of cheap food. If we don't flog and subsidize this industry, you can't afford to eat. I don't know how many millions of acres are dedicated to the stuff, not too far from here, but you have it because it is cheaper than better oils to begin with.

This is pretty close to the engineering of the "Great Depression" about a hundred years ago, which ultimately benefits the Big Fish, while you-know-what happens to the rest of us.

We don't play numbers games. We live on real stuff. Gold, being the related store of value, is going into the hands of wealth management funds; people are shucking it like dirty diapers.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am adverse to Fascism.

[bojancan]

In my opinion... the truth it is.. the rest of the world.. wants to deal with China and not the US.... so much whining isn't it?????


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WHOA: Trump concedes defeat to China
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[AuCo]

It is one thing to crap all over your own outhouse. But to litter the neighborhood with your soiled toiletries is imo a public hazard. Just saying 🙂

[shaberon]

Our real liberty is at stake here. Ever since the JFK assassination, our freedom has been eroded away by our main adversary. Our younger generation is clueless for the most part about how our freedom has been slowly taken away from us.



Ever since the ratification of the Constitution.

Again, just referring to Wall Street as that adversary. It's basically a Zionist cult from the Ivy League. That it is in such full force now is an obvious outcome. Terribly unfortunate.

[jaybee]

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Latest straight talking, no nonsense report from RJ Talks....

start - major trade deal with India imminent...after tariff negotiations ....

4.00 - Democrats continue to heavily support MS - 13 gang member + illegal immigrant Kilmar Abrego Garcia deported by Trump -

10:40 - courts dropping charges against those accused of crimes + vandalism against the Tesla company and Tesla cars - including the employee of Tim Walz Democrat Governor of Minnesota....

12:00 - Trump considering stipend for mothers to increase birth rate...

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Trump Administration Says MAJOR India Trade Deal INCOMING! (14:22)

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[bojancan]

In my humble opinion... again... missing opportunity for trump... very informative talking... and very true...

Pepe Escobar : The Shanghai Spirit - China Will Take No Bullying

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[Rizotto]

In my humble opinion... again... missing opportunity for trump... very informative talking... and very true...

Pepe Escobar : The Shanghai Spirit - China Will Take No Bullying

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Must watch! The Chinese businessman from 15:00 to 17:00 in the above video says the truth: "you don't need tariffs, you need a revolution", pointing out the reality that for the past several decades USA oligarchs have only sought to enrich themselves with exploiting cheap Chinese labour and waging proxy wars, while the USA middle class was impoverished and domestic infrastructure was neglected. Meanwhile, China build up their country with the increased trade.

[jaybee]

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Must watch! The Chinese businessman from 15:00 to 17:00 in the above video says the truth: "you don't need tariffs, you need a revolution", pointing out the reality that for the past several decades USA oligarchs have only sought to enrich themselves with exploiting cheap Chinese labour and waging proxy wars, while the USA middle class was impoverished and domestic infrastructure was neglected. Meanwhile, China build up their country with the increased trade.


You'll be pleased to hear that I DID watch it..... but..........

'By their fruits you will know them...'

I haven't taken too much notice of Judge Andrew Napolitano.....(he spooks me out a bit with his eyes lol - but I jest about that....sort of...) but I have to say that for all the world he appears to be pro Chinese Communist Party (and therefore pro Globalist Elite... because it looks like the Chinese Model is part of THEIR economic model...?)

After seeing this video I would question his patriotism and allegiance....yes Trump has been bullish in his latest dealings with China re the tariffs.... but.... rock bottom question regarding Napolitano.... did he (Napolitano) support the previous tariff imbalance between America and China - that allowed China to undercut US manufacturing and took industry and jobs and money away from the American working class and middle class......?

The 'Chinese business man' said ......'you need a revolution '......... presumably he meant a communist revolution - because Trump is at this very moment in history leading America through a Democracy based....freedom based....revolution and the mega rich NWO Globalist Elite who have been running the show from the shadows for so long don't like that and are throwing everything they've got at him and his administration -

As you may have seen I rate the RJ Talks presentations and I do believe the following quote to be true....

from a previous RJ Talks video 4th April... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf28o9X-UlI)


@3:52 This is the first time in nearly 50 years since the 1970s the bottom half of this country - the normal folk - middle class main street is benefiting And the establishment in DC is losing their freaking minds over it


cheers

[Rizotto]

I agree "by their fruits you shall know them". Considering that the United States of Israel is complicit in the genocide of Palestinians, and started several regime change wars on false pretences, including the Ukraine-Russia war, and whose government operates by legalized bribery of its political class, and has departed from its constitution to restrict the rights of its citizens, I think it's fair to say that any US citizen who is exposing these ills and pointing out better ways of governing, is actually being patriotic.

A revolution in the US would take the form of a surge of citizens demanding the end of weapons shipments to Israel and Ukraine. An end to the military industrial complex and political bribery.

[jaybee]

I agree "by their fruits you shall know them". Considering that the United States of Israel is complicit in the genocide of Palestinians, and started several regime change wars on false pretences, including the Ukraine-Russia war, and whose government operates by legalized bribery of its political class, and has departed from its constitution to restrict the rights of its citizens, I think it's fair to say that any US citizen who is exposing these ills and pointing out better ways of governing, is actually being patriotic.

A revolution in the US would take the form of a surge of citizens demanding the end of weapons shipments to Israel and Ukraine. An end to the military industrial complex and political bribery.


Re my bolding above.......

It's nice to agree isn't it.... :p

Re your other points..... 'Rome wasn't built in a day..'

Pulling the brakes on the warmongering Globalist Elite - who have been running the US (and the West?) for decades isn't going to happen over night - they are deeply embedded..... Trump is just one man doing his best (for Peace) with the situation he has inherited... (IMO)...

Trying to drag him down - like Napolitano appears to be doing.... before he has had a chance to settle properly in to the difficult job of Global Peace Making - is not helping - - - - Trump has a mandate from the People and Napolitano should respect that...and let him get on with the job instead of supporting China and the CCP OVER America - when it comes to the Tariff business....

[shaberon]

A revolution in the US would take the form of a surge of citizens demanding the end of weapons shipments to Israel and Ukraine. An end to the military industrial complex and political bribery.



A revolution removes and replaces a government.

The examples given are "policy changes". The same government used to not have these policies before Lincoln's Empire.

To the current form of piggery, there is Blowback (https://en.mehrnews.com/news/230971/12-US-states-sue-Trump-administration-over-illegal-tariffs):




A coalition of 12 US states sued US President Donald Trump’s administration over “illegal tariffs” in the US Court of International Trade in New York.

Attorneys general of Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Maine, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, Oregon and Vermont on Wednesday filed the lawsuit to seek a court order to block the Trump administration from enacting the tariffs.

The lawsuit said the policy has left the national trade policy subject to Trump’s “whims rather than the sound exercise of lawful authority,” asking the court to declare the tariffs illegal and to block government agencies and officers from enforcing them, Chinese news agency reported.

It noted the US President can only invoke the Emergency Act when there is an “unusual and extraordinary threat” from abroad.

“By claiming the authority to impose immense and ever-changing tariffs on whatever goods entering the US he chooses, for whatever reason he finds convenient to declare an emergency, the President has upended the constitutional order and brought chaos to the American economy,” the legal action said.

“Congress has not granted the President the authority to impose these tariffs and therefore the administration violated the law by imposing them through executive orders, social media posts, and agency orders,” New York Attorney General Letitia James’ office said in a statement.

“His tariffs are unlawful and if not stopped, they will lead to more inflation, unemployment, and economic damage,” said James.

“President Trump’s reckless tariffs have skyrocketed costs for consumers and unleashed economic chaos across the country,” New York Governor Kathy Hochul said in a statement on Wednesday.

In response, White House spokesperson Kush Desai said the administration “remains committed to addressing this national emergency that’s decimating America's industries and leaving our workers behind with every tool at our disposal, from tariffs to negotiations.”

On April 2, Trump signed an executive order at the White House, invoking the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to declare a national emergency and impose so-called “reciprocal tariffs” on all US trading partners.

The move triggered strong opposition from the international community and within the US, leading to significant turmoil in the financial markets.


That's pretty close to the roots of the Confederacy two hundred years ago. Almost exactly the same thing. Very similar to the reasons the British were evicted in the Revolution.

The need for the Union currently is...?

[bojancan]

Ja... for sure Trump's Art of the lies... and Trump's Art of NO Deals!!! He is making Circus ShowLike Apprentice!!!

Dialogue Works
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Richard Wolff & Michael Hudson: Trump’s Trade War Collapse: How China Forced a U.S. Retreat
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Breaking Points
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China SHUTS DOWN Trump Tariff Offer
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[bojancan]

I forgot to add yesterday this good video... with two good human beings... with a good and beautiful characters... I admire their sincere effort... to make a world better place... in my opinion... makes me thinking of ... thanks to God... that there are so many people in this violent and crazy world.... they are not for oppression, wars... very good talk!!!

Jeffrey Sachs and Yanis Varoufakis worked together a decade ago to prevent Europe from harming itself by crushing Greece. They failed. Since then, Europe’s self-harming policies exacerbated by a lethal dependence on, and servility to, the US have had nasty repercussions for Ukraine, Palestine as well as Europe’s relations with China.

Now that Trump is back, with Europe’s Green Deal already abandoned, the world is facing the perfect storm: intense trade (and thus class) wars, a mounting Cold War with China, an ultra-hot war in Ukraine, a heart-wrenching genocide in Palestine, and an accelerating climate emergency.

On Tuesday 22nd April, Jeff Sachs and Yanis Varoufakis get back together again to reminisce, to take stock of a world spinning out of control and, crucially, to propose tangible solutions that we must campaign for today.

This livestreamed conversation is organised by DiEM25 while also being transmitted live across China through the network of the China Academy.



DiEM25
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Yanis Varoufakis in Conversation with Jeffrey Sachs on the Six Global Crises Confronting Humanity

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[Rizotto]

Must watch! Col. Macgregor discusses tariffs backlash, and ongoing illegal migrants & drugs across the border.
Quoting Col. Macgregor: “What is wrong with president Trump? This is not the president I voted for. It’s not ‘america first’.”
“Why do we have 50,000 USA troops in the middle east right now?”

Col. Douglas Macgregor "We need 40-60,000 American troops on OUR border ASAP" | Redacted News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuStWaRCKPU

[bojancan]

As I love to listen Brian's analyzes... there are all topics... I am adding this video also here...
I remember... interviewer Dany was cheering years back for Trump... it's a little hypocritical... now... what a change ...

Trump is not a man for making deals... or making decisions... or to be uniter... he should needs to compose himself... very much.. with sincerity.. humility... don't criticize.. be friendly... and approachable to diplomacy... he is a flip flopper in many decisions... he is without firm character!

Danny Haiphong
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Trump FOLDS: China SHUTS DOWN His Tariff Bluff, Putin Rejects War Ultimatum w/ Brian Berletic

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This is example who Trump is... do you remember.. :facepalm:

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[bojancan]

This is interesting video for those of you.. who are interested in markets and the tariffs... just finished it..

This week on Prof G Markets, Scott and Ed discuss the rally in the Euro and German bonds, Chinese state-backed funds pulling out of U.S. private equity, and Bill Ackman’s investment in Hertz. Then Ryan Petersen, the founder and CEO of Flexport, a leader in global supply chain management, joins the show to unpack the real-world impact of tariffs on American businesses. He breaks down how the levies will drive inflation, shares his outlook on the trade war with China, and explains how supply chains are rapidly reshaping.


Why Trump Will Back Down on China Tariffs — ft. Ryan Petersen | Prof G Markets

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Timestamps:
00:00 - Today's number
00:15 - Today's episode
03:14 - Headlines
04:01 - German bonds
08:54 - China Retreats From U.S. Private Equity
13:48 - Hertz Wins Over Ackman
20:17 - Ad break
22:48 - Why Trump Will Back Down on China Tariffs — ft. Ryan Petersen
23:03 - What are tariffs doing to businesses on the ground and how are they affecting the global supply chain?
25:36 - What are the actual tariff rates in America today?
28:05 - Who is actually paying the 125% tariff?
30:17 - What are you hearing from retailers and how many of them will go out of business because of tariffs?
31:10 - You think 80% of companies that get shipments from China will disappear and millions of employees will be laid off?
33:57 - Which countries and supply routes is Flexport going to overinvest in and divest from?
37:51 - Is there any indication that trade is increasing for everyone except for America?
40:13 - Ad break
41:40 - What is the goal of these deals that Trump is trying to negotiate with other countries?
48:40 - What role does AI play in your mind and how does it impact your current approach to hiring?
51:38 - What do you think about Temu and Shein, and how do you think the tariffs will impact their future prospects?
53:38 - Do you think we’re about to see business leaders start to outright criticize Trump and these tariff policies?
58:51 - Algebra of Wealth
01:02:00 - Credits

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/onlydjole/status/1916169678294052967

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[norman]

The interview was first released on Epoch TV on April 16, 2025.

Gordon Chang: “This is an existential struggle… and we better win it.”
American Thought Leaders

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CHAPTER TITLES
0:00:00 - Introduction to US-China Trade Tensions
0:00:13 - The Current State of Trump's Tariff Strategy
0:00:36 - Xi Jinping's Leadership Challenges
0:01:00 - Tariff Rates and Electric Vehicle Restrictions
0:01:45 - Trump's Global Trade Negotiations
0:02:51 - Potential for China to Come to the Negotiating Table
0:03:46 - China's Reluctance and Economic Vulnerabilities
0:05:44 - Impact of Tariffs on American Consumers
0:07:22 - Preventing the US from Becoming a Vassal State
0:08:20 - Historical Context of Injurious Trade Policies
0:11:35 - Addressing Transshipment and Trade Loopholes
0:12:43 - China's New Trade Negotiator
0:13:27 - Exemptions and US Trade Strategy
0:15:04 - Japan's Role in Trade Negotiations
0:16:15 - Reshaping the Global Trade Order
0:17:57 - China's Economic and Political Fragility
0:21:42 - US Strategic Response to China's Instability
0:23:56 - The Existential Struggle Between US and Communist China
0:25:17 - European Attitudes Towards China
0:26:54 - The Most Dangerous Moment in History
0:28:08 - Preparing for Potential Conflict
0:29:30 - Personal Preparedness Recommendations

[bojancan]

Professor Richard Wolff outlines how America's economy has already begun to collapse, representing the end of the global empire.

Glenn Diesen
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Richard Wolff: The Economic Collapse Has Already Begun

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[bojancan]

"Be greedy when everyone is fearful and fearful when everyone is greedy!"
Warren Buffett

Trump's swamp yacht...


Trump Insiders Launch MILLIONAIRES CLUB for Favor Trading
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[Merkaba360]

Oh poor me. I have to pay up to 300% tariffs if i want to buy a luxury car.

My salary is supposedly around the 90th pecentile. I think its lower if accounting for entrepreneurs and under the table money, but its still high.

I paid 5% income tax this year, with no special deductions. In the big city, my rent costs me 12% of my salary. (good deal on my 1 bedroom condo, i could spend much more of course) I can eat for quite cheap if I want (7-15% varies a lot, 5% is posible) I spend 3-4% on transportation. ~1.5% on electric. ~ 1.5% on phone and internet. Property taxes are also quite low.

Granted there are not great social benefits like the West, but there is much better family support and team work.

This is what Trump is heading toward. Like where I live, it taxes the luxury items the most and thus the rich people. It also works toward their protectionist society which USA is moving toward. It makes survival easier and more decision on which expensive items are worth spending on.

Doubt this is possible without high tariffs (VAT, Excise tax, import duty, etc.)

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Importing luxury brand cars into Thailand is subject to a complex system of taxes and duties, making them significantly more expensive than in many other countries. Here's a breakdown of the key taxes involved:

1. Import Duty:
2. Excise Tax:
3. Local Tax (or Interior Tax):
4. Value Added Tax (VAT):

VAT is applied to the final price of the car, which includes the CIF value, import duty, excise tax, and local tax.
The current VAT rate in Thailand is 7%.
Approximate Total Tax Burden:

Due to the cascading nature of these taxes (VAT is applied on top of the already taxed value), the total tax burden on imported luxury cars in Thailand can be extremely high, often ranging from 187% to over 300% of the car's original value.

Example (Illustrative and Simplified):

Let's say a luxury car has a CIF value of ฿1,000,000:

Import Duty (80%): ฿1,000,000 * 0.80 = ฿800,000
Subtotal (CIF + Import Duty): ฿1,000,000 + ฿800,000 = ฿1,800,000
Excise Tax (Example at 30%): (฿1,800,000 * 0.30) / (1 - (1.1 * 0.30)) ≈ ฿818,181
Local Tax (10% of Excise Tax): ฿818,181 * 0.10 = ฿81,818
Subtotal (CIF + Import Duty + Excise Tax + Local Tax): ฿1,000,000 + ฿800,000 + ฿818,181 + ฿81,818 = ฿2,700,000 (approximately)
VAT (7% of Subtotal): ฿2,700,000 * 0.07 = ฿189,000
Total Cost (excluding profit and dealer margins): ฿2,700,000 + ฿189,000 = ฿2,889,000

In this simplified example, a car with a CIF value of ฿1,000,000 ends up costing almost three times as much due to import taxes. The actual excise tax rate can significantly alter this final figure.

[bojancan]

Still LIVE with George... respect him immensely...


George Galloway
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100 DAYS - MOATS with George Galloway - EP 443
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STUNNING: US GDP SHRINKS Amid Tariff CHAOS
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[Merkaba360]

And here we have it .................drum roll......... Walmart has resumed shipping with chinese suppliers and has agreed to take on SOME of the tariffs costs, while other duties will be SHARED depending on contract terms.

So, everyone can ignore Bojancan's Propagandists saying that American consumers will take on 100% of the tariff costs. I expect the Bojancan troll will not admit being incorrect once more. If so, should be more reason to ban for NEVER acknowledging anyone elses comments , FACTS and counters. Just posting and living in an echo chamber saying lalalalalala , is not ok in my view.

He reports on the Walmart trade negotiations with china starting about 6:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr50P-A5FPk

Happy to see that Coffee with craig (usually correct) has today said that in general US tariffs will work and be kept for the long run. Items we are more desperate for or wont be manufacturing at home, Trump will roll back those tariffs somewhat or all. He also said that the economy will still be shaky for 2025 and rebuilding the manufacturing will take longer than expected.

[bojancan]

Interesting monologue by R.Wolff ...

Richard D. Wolff is an American economist and professor emeritus at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. He is known for his critiques of economic inequality and his advocacy for worker cooperatives as a way to empower individuals and address systemic issues within the economy. Through his books, lectures, and public appearances, Wolff explores topics such as economic democracy and alternative economic models.

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“I TOLD You Something is COMING & Now It's HERE…” | Richard Wolff
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[bojancan]

Meaningful video Kim!

Kim Iversen
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Are Ports Really EMPTY Since Trump's Tariffs?

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[shaberon]

I found some things that will help show that the "tariffs" notion is a historically-valid, legitimate role of government, and it is only one aspect of it. Without the other pieces, what is built is a house of cards.


Part of what is being dealt with is a certain case of missing oil (https://www.fxempire.com/forecasts/article/missed-the-gold-rally-this-commodity-could-be-the-next-to-explode-1515945):


In his January 2025 inaugural address, President Trump pledged to refill the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) “right to the top”, calling it a national security priority and a cornerstone of his “America First” Energy strategy.

This commitment follows significant drawdowns during the Biden administration, which sold nearly 300 million barrels from the SPR to mitigate high Gasoline prices after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, reducing the reserve to its lowest level in 40 years.

Now with the SPR sitting at its lowest level in four decades and Oil prices back at multi-year lows – analysts at GSC Commodity Intelligence believe Trump has a unique window to act – buying cheap Oil, boosting Energy security and supporting domestic producers all in one move.

Industrial Ambition Meets Energy Strategy

At the heart of Trump’s economic agenda is a bold pledge to turn the United States into a “Massive Manufacturing Hub”. In his 2025 State of the Union address, the president outlined plans to onshore critical industries, revive heavy manufacturing and roll back regulatory constraints on Energy and industrial development.

But powering that resurgence will require more than tax incentives and infrastructure – it will demand Energy and a lot of it.

According to GSC Commodity Intelligence – “Reindustrialisation is Energy-intensive by definition. From steel mills to petrochemicals, the inputs are carbon-heavy. If President Trump is serious about scaling manufacturing, oil and gas – will be indispensable”.



So, did we need or ask for that SPR in the first place, no, did we want to sell it for Ukraine, no, this is just a burden placed on our shoulders that supposedly we will pay for again.

That's mainly what's at stake here -- the shifting of burdens onto working-class people so that the rentier class continues business as usual. That group would be the current president and his associates.

Like a boomerang, 2025 is the expiration of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA (https://taxpolicycenter.org/features/2025-tax-cuts-tracker). But this policy actually "costs" the government money, or, decreases its revenue, and so they are grasping at ways to replace it. Tariffs are the main idea as to how to extend this act permanently. The next big chunk of change would come from ending other cuts -- to replace taxes back on those who opted for "clean energy":


The Trump administration and congressional Republicans have called for repealing many of corporate and individual income tax breaks for production and consumption of clean energy products adopted as part of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA).


Here is another site that adds Congressional updates (https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tax-cuts-2025-budget-reconciliation/) to the TCJA data:



On April 10, 2025, the House adopted the Senate’s amended version of the budget resolution, which allows $5.3 trillion in deficit-financed tax cuts (the combination of $3.8 trillion of tax cuts assumed to be “costless” under a current policy baseline plus $1.5 trillion in additional deficits permitted), deficit increases of $521 billion on defense and immigration spending, a minimum of $4 billion in spending cuts, and an increase in the debt limit of up to $5 trillion.


Okay. Either of those links have a heap of percentages and departments and so forth about how those cuts work. And of course we are mainly concerned about excessive benefits to the uber wealthy while shafting the little people. So the same data re-packaged in a Republican way asks do these cuts only benefit the wealthy:

No (https://bipartisanpolicy.org/explainer/the-2025-tax-debate-who-benefits-from-tax-cuts/)


And so it goes on using the figures to tell you how you benefitted, while I see no benefit at all, only penultimate demise. Here is a good idea about why we don't need conciliatory numbers jammed in our faces:



When the United States imposed its initial progressive income tax in 1913, only 2 percent of Americans had a high enough income to require them to file a tax return. The vast majority of the 1913 tax fell on the rentier income of financial and real estate interests, and on the monopoly rents extracted by the trusts that the banking system organized.


Oh. What did they do, have a Boston Tea Party and flip it around so we get stuck anyway?

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As long as this financial hegemony continues:


We cannot achieve and restore this world as long as we leave the United States with veto power in the United Nations, to stop it; and with a military power and willingness to intervene in foreign elections; to support regime change, to make sure that its own politicians are elected, over and above whatever the population may want.


Pretty strong stuff I am quoting from Michael Hudson on this. But it is the same story over again. Let's go whole cloth on this as he describes why this is not the efficiency of early America:



Donald Trump’s tariff policy has thrown markets into turmoil among his allies and enemies alike. This anarchy reflects the fact that his major aim was not really tariff policy, but simply to cut income taxes on the wealthy, by replacing them with tariffs as the main source of government revenue. Extracting economic concessions from other countries is part of his justification for this tax shift as offering a nationalistic benefit for the United States.

His cover story, and perhaps even his belief, is that tariffs by themselves can revive American industry. But he has no plans to deal with the problems that caused America’s deindustrialization in the first place. There is no recognition of what made the original U.S. industrial program and that of most other nations so successful. That program was based on public infrastructure, rising private industrial investment and wages protected by tariffs, and strong government regulation. Trump’s slash and burn policy is the reverse – to downsize government, weaken public regulation and sell off public infrastructure to help pay for his income tax cuts on his Donor Class.

This is just the neoliberal program under another guise. Trump misrepresents it as supportive of industry, not its antithesis. His move is not an industrial plan at all, but a power play to extract economic concessions from other countries while slashing income taxes on the wealthy. The immediate result will be widespread layoffs, business closures and consumer price inflation.


America’s remarkable industrial takeoff from the end of the Civil War through the outbreak of World War I has always embarrassed free-market economists. The United States’ success followed precisely the opposite policies from those that today’s economic orthodoxy advocates. The contrast is not only that between protectionist tariffs and free trade. The United States created a mixed public/private economy in which public infrastructure investment was developed as a “fourth factor of production,” not to be run as a profit-making business but to provide basic services at minimal prices so as to subsidize the private sector’s cost of living and doing business.

The logic underlying these policies was formulated already in the 1820s in Henry Clay’s American System of protective tariffs, internal improvements (public investment in transportation and other basic infrastructure), and national banking aimed at financing industrial development. An American School of Political Economy emerged to guide the nation’s industrialization based on the Economy of High Wages doctrine to promote labor productivity by raising living standards and public subsidy and support programs.

These are not the policies that today’s Republicans and Democrats advise. If Reaganomics, Thatcherism and Chicago’s free-market boys had guided American economic policy in the late nineteenth century, the United States would not have achieved its industrial dominance. So it hardly is surprising that the protectionist and public investment logic that guided American industrialization has been airbrushed out of U.S. history. It plays no role in Donald Trump’s false narrative to promote his abolition of progressive income taxes, downsizing of government and privatization sell-off of its assets.

What Trump singles out to admire in America’s nineteenth-century industrial policy is the absence of a progressive income tax and the funding of government primarily by tariff revenue. This has given him the idea of replacing progressive income taxation falling on his own Donor Class – the One Percent that paid no income tax prior to its enactment in 1913 – with tariffs designed to fall only on consumers (that is, labor). A new Gilded Age indeed!

In admiring the absence of progressive income taxation in the era of his hero, William McKinley (elected president in 1896 and 1900), Trump is admiring the economic excess and inequality of the Gilded Age. That inequality was widely criticized as a distortion of economic efficiency and social progress. To counteract the corrosive and conspicuous wealth-seeking that caused the distortion, Congress passed the Sherman Anti-Trust Law in 1890, Teddy Roosevelt followed with his trust busting, and a remarkably progressive income tax was passed that fell almost entirely on rentier financial and real estate income and monopoly rents.

Trump thus is promoting a simplistic and outright false narrative of what made America’s nineteenth century policy of industrialization so successful. For him, what is great is the “gilded” part of the Gilded Age, not its state-led industrial and social-democratic takeoff. His panacea is for tariffs to replace income taxes, along with privatizing what remains of the government’s functions. That would give a new set of robber barons free reign to further enrich themselves by shrinking the government’s taxation and regulation of them, while reducing the budget deficit by selling off the remaining public domain, from national park lands to the post office and research labs.

The key policies that led to America’s successful industrial takeoff

Tariffs by themselves were not enough to create America’s industrial takeoff, nor that of Germany and other nations seeking to replace and overtake Britain’s industrial and financial monopoly. The key was to use the tariff revenues to subsidize public investment, combined with regulatory power and above all tax policy, to restructure the economy on many fronts and shape the way in which labor and capital were organized.

The main aim was to raise labor productivity. That required an increasingly skilled labor force, which required rising living standards, education, healthy working conditions, consumer protection and safe food regulation. The Economy of High Wages doctrine recognized that well educated, healthy and well fed labor could undersell “pauper labor.”

The problem was that employers always have sought to increase their profits by fighting against labor’s demand for higher wages. America’s industrial takeoff solved this problem by recognizing that labor’s living standards are a result not only of wage levels but of the cost of living. To the extent that public investment financed by tariff revenues could pay the cost of supplying basic needs, living standards and labor productivity could rise without industrialists suffering a fall in profit.

The main basic needs were free education, public health support and kindred social services. Public infrastructure investment in transportation (canals and railroads), communications and other basic services that were natural monopolies was also undertaken to prevent them from being turned into private fiefdoms seeking monopoly rents at the expense of the economy at large. Simon Patten, America’s first professor of economics at its first business school (the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania), called public investment in infrastructure a “fourth factor of production.” Unlike private-sector capital, its aim was not to make a profit, much less maximize its prices to what the market would bear. The aim was to provide public services either at cost or at a subsidized rate or even freely.

In contrast to European tradition, the United States left many basic utilities in private hands, but regulated them to prevent monopoly rents from being extracted. Business leaders supported this mixed public/private economy, seeing that it was subsidizing a low-cost economy and thus increasing its (and their) competitive advantage in the international economy.

The most important public utility, but also the most difficult to introduce, was the monetary and financial system needed to provide enough credit to finance the nation’s industrial growth. Creating private and/or public paper credit required replacing the narrow reliance on gold bullion for money. Bullion long remained the basis for paying customs duties to the Treasury, which drained it from the economy at large, limiting its availability for financing industry. Industrialists advocated moving away from over-reliance on bullion by the creation of a national banking system to provide a growing superstructure of paper credit to finance industrial growth. Classical political economy saw tax policy as the most important lever steering the allocation of resources and credit towards industry. Its main policy aim was to minimize economic rent (the excess of market prices over intrinsic cost value) by freeing markets from rentier income in the form of land rent, monopoly rent, and interest and financial fees. From Adam Smith through David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill, to Marx and other socialists, classical value theory defined such economic rent as unearned income, extracted without contributing to production and hence an unnecessary levy on the economy’s cost and price structure.

Taxes on industrial profits and labor’s wages added to the cost of production and thus were to be avoided, while land rent, monopoly rent and financial gains should be taxed away, or land, monopolies and credit could simply be nationalized into the public domain to lower access costs for real estate and monopoly services and reduce financial charges.

These policies based on the classical distinction between intrinsic cost-value and market price are what made industrial capitalism so revolutionary. Freeing economies from rentier income by the taxation of economic rent aimed at minimizing the cost of living and doing business, and also minimizing the political dominance of a financial and landlord power elite.

When the United States imposed its initial progressive income tax in 1913, only 2 percent of Americans had a high enough income to require them to file a tax return. The vast majority of the 1913 tax fell on the rentier income of financial and real estate interests, and on the monopoly rents extracted by the trusts that the banking system organized.

How America’s neoliberal policy reverses its former industrial dynamic

Since the takeoff of the neoliberal period in the 1980s, U.S. labor’s disposable income has been squeezed by high costs for basic needs at the same time as its cost of living has priced it out of world markets. This is not the same thing as a high-wage economy. It is a rakeoff of wages to pay the various forms of economic rent that have proliferated and destroyed America’s formerly competitive cost structure. Today’s $175,000 average income for a family of four is not being spent mainly on products or services that wage-earners produce. It is mostly siphoned off by the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate (FIRE) sector and monopolies at the top of the economic pyramid.

The private-sector’s debt overhead is largely responsible for today’s shift of wages away from rising living standards for labor, and of corporate profits away from new tangible capital investment, research and development for industrial companies. Employers have not paid their employees enough to both maintain their standard of living and carry this financial, insurance and real estate burden, leaving U.S. labor to fall further and further behind.

Inflated by bank credit and rising debt/income ratios, the U.S. guideline cost of housing for home buyers has risen to 43% of their income, far up from the formerly standard 25%. The Federal Housing Authority insures mortgages to guarantee that banks following this guideline will not lose money, even as arrears and defaults are hitting all-time highs. Home ownership rates fell from over 69% in 2005 to under 63% in the Obama eviction wave of foreclosures after the 2008 junk-mortgage crisis. Rents and house prices have soared steadily (especially during the period the Federal Reserve kept interest rates low deliberately to inflate asset prices to support the finance sector, and as private capital has bought up homes that wage earners cannot afford), making housing by far the largest charge on wage income.

Debt arrears also are exploding for student education debt taken on to qualify for a higher-paying job, and in many cases for the auto debt needed to be able to drive to the job. This is capped by credit-card debt accumulating just to make ends meet. The disaster of privatized medical insurance now absorbs 18 percent of U.S. GDP, yet medical debt has become a major cause of personal bankruptcy. All this is just the reverse of what was intended by the original Economy of High Wages policy for American industry.

This neoliberal financialization – the proliferation of rentier charges, inflation of housing and health-care costs, and the need to live on credit beyond solely one’s earnings – has two effects. The most obvious is that most American families have not been able to increase their savings since 2008, and are living from paycheck to paycheck. The second effect has been that, with employers obliged to pay their labor force enough to carry these rentier costs, the living wage for American labor has risen so far above that of every other national economy that there is no way that American industry can compete with that of foreign countries.

Privatization and deregulation of the U.S. economy has obliged employers and labor to bear the rentier costs, including higher housing prices and rising debt overhead, that are part and parcel of today’s neoliberal policies. The resulting loss of industrial competitiveness is the major block to its re-industrialization. After all, it was these rentier charges that deindustrialized the economy in the first place, making it less competitive in world markets and spurring the offshoring of industry by raising the cost of basic needs and doing business. Paying such charges also shrinks the domestic market, by reducing labor’s ability to buy what it produces. Trump’s tariff policy does nothing to address these problems, but will aggravate them by accelerating price inflation.

This situation is unlikely to change any time soon, because the beneficiaries of today’s neoliberal policies – the recipients of these rentier charges burdening the U.S. economy – have become the political Donor Class of billionaires. To increase their rentier income and capital gains and make them irreversible, this resurgent oligarchy is pressing to further privatize and sell off the public sector instead of providing subsidized services to meet the economy’s basic needs at minimum cost. The largest public utilities that have been privatized are natural monopolies – which is why they were kept in the public domain in the first place (i.e., to avoid monopoly rent extraction).

The pretense is that private ownership seeking profits will provide an incentive to increase efficiency. The reality is that prices for what formerly were public services are increased to what the market will bear for transportation, communications and other privatized sectors. One eagerly awaits the fate of the U.S. Post Office that Congress is trying to privatize.

Neither increasing production nor lowering its cost is the aim of today’s sell-off of government assets. The prospect of owning a privatized monopoly in a position to extract monopoly rent has led financial managers to borrow the money to buy up these businesses, adding debt payments to their cost structure. The managers then start selling off the businesses’ real estate for quick cash that they pay out as special dividends, leasing back the property that they need to operate. The result is a high-cost monopoly that is heavily indebted with plunging profits. That is the neoliberal model from England’s paradigmatic Thames Water privatization to private financialized former industrial companies such as General Electric and Boeing.

In contrast to the nineteenth century’s takeoff of industrial capitalism, the aim of privatizers in today’s post-industrial epoch of rentier finance capitalism is to make “capital” gains on the stocks of hitherto public enterprises that have been privatized, financialized and deregulated. A similar financial objective has been pursued in the private arena, where the financial sector’s business plan has been to replace the drive for corporate profits with making capital gains in stocks, bonds and real estate.

The great majority of stocks and bonds are owned by the wealthiest 10 percent, not by the bottom 90 percent. While their financial wealth has soared, the disposable personal income of the majority (after paying rentier charges) has shrunk. Under today’s rentier finance capitalism the economy is going in two directions at once – down for the industrial goods-producing sector, up for the financial and other rentier claims on this sector’s labor and capital.

The mixed public/private economy that formerly built up American industry by minimizing the cost of living and doing business has been reversed by what is Trump’s most influential constituency (and that of the Democrats as well, to be sure) – the wealthiest One Percent, which continues to march its troops under the libertarian flag of Thatcherism, Reaganomics and Chicago anti-government (meaning anti-labor) ideologues. They accuse the government’s progressive income and wealth taxes, investment in public infrastructure and role as regulator to prevent predatory economic behavior and polarization, of being intrusions into “free markets.”

The question, of course, is “free for whom”? What they mean is a market free for the wealthy to extract economic rent. They ignore both the need to tax or otherwise minimize economic rent to achieve industrial competitiveness, and the fact that slashing income taxes on the wealthy – and then insisting on balancing the government budget like that of a family household so as to avoid running yet deeper into debt – starves the economy of public injection of purchasing power. Without net public spending, the economy is obliged to turn for financing to the banks, whose interest-bearing loans grow exponentially and crowd out spending on goods and real services. This intensifies the wage squeeze described above and the dynamic of deindustrialization.

A fatal effect of all these changes has been that instead of capitalism industrializing the banking and financial system as was expected in the nineteenth century, industry has been financialized. The finance sector has not allocated its credit to finance new means of production, but to take over assets already in place – primarily real estate and existing companies. This loads the assets down with debt in the process of inflating capital gains as the finance sector lends money to bid up prices for them.

This process of increasing financialized wealth adds to economic overhead not only in the form of debt, but in the form of higher purchase prices (inflated by bank credit) for real estate and industrial and other companies. And consistently with its business plan of making capital gains, the finance sector has sought to untax such gains. It also has taken the lead in urging cuts in real estate taxes so as to leave more of the rising site value of housing and office buildings – their rent-of-location – to be pledged to the banks instead of serving as the major tax base for local and national fiscal systems as classical economists urged throughout the nineteenth century.

The result has been a shift from progressive taxation to regressive taxation. Rentier income and debt-financed capital gains have been untaxed, and the tax burden shifted onto labor and industry. It is this tax shift that has encouraged corporate financial managers to replace the drive for corporate profits with making capital gains as described above.

What promised to be a harmony of interests for all classes – to be achieved by increasing their wealth by running into debt and watching prices rise for homes and other real estate, stocks and bonds – has turned into a class war.

It is now much more than the class war of industrial capital against labor familiar in the nineteenth century. The postmodern form of class war is that of finance capital against both labor and industry. Employers still exploit labor by seeking profits by paying labor less than what they sell its products for. But labor has been increasingly exploited by debt – mortgage debt (with “easier” credit fueling the debt-driven inflation of housing costs), student debt, automobile debt and credit-card debt just to meet its break-even costs of living.

Having to pay these debt charges increases the cost of labor to industrial employers, constraining their ability to make profits. And (as indicated above) it is such exploitation of industry (and indeed of the whole economy) by finance capital and other rentiers that has spurred the offshoring of industry and deindustrialization of the United States and other Western economies that have followed the same policy path. In stark contrast to Western deindustrialization stands China’s successful industrial takeoff. Today, living standards in China are, for much of the population, broadly as high as those in the United States. That is a result of the Chinese government’s policy of providing public support for industrial employers by subsidizing basic needs (e.g., education and medical care) and public high-speed rail, local subway and other transportation, better high-technology communications and other consumer goods, along with their payments systems.

Most important, China has kept banking and credit creation in the public domain as a public utility. That is the key policy that has enabled it to avoid the financialization that has deindustrialized the U.S. and other Western economies.

The great irony is that China’s industrial policy is remarkably similar to that of America’s nineteenth-century industrial takeoff. China’s government, as just mentioned, has financed basic infrastructure and kept it in the public domain, providing its services at low prices to keep the economy’s cost structure as low as possible. And China’s rising wages and living standards have indeed found their counterpart in rising labor productivity.

There are billionaires in China, but they are not viewed as celebrity heroes and models for how the economy at large should seek to develop. The accumulation of conspicuous large fortunes such as those that have characterized the West and created its political Donor Class have been countered by political and moral sanctions against the use of personal wealth to gain control of public economic policy.

This government activism that U.S. rhetoric denounces as Chinese “autocracy” has managed to do what Western democracies have not done: prevent the emergence of a financialized rentier oligarchy that uses its wealth to buy control of government and takes over the economy by privatizing government functions and promoting its own gains by indebting the rest of the economy to itself while dismantling public regulatory policy.

What was the Gilded Age that Trump hopes to resurrect?

Trump and the Republicans have put one political aim above all others: cutting taxes, above all progressive taxation that falls mainly on the highest incomes and personal wealth. It seems that at some point Trump must have asked some economist whether there was any alternative way for governments to finance themselves. Someone must have informed him that from American independence through the eve of World War I, by far the dominant form of government revenue was customs revenue from tariffs.

It is easy to see the lightbulb that went off in Trump’s brain. Tariffs don’t fall on his rentier class of real estate, financial and monopoly billionaires, but primarily on labor (and on industry too, for imports of necessary raw materials and parts).

In introducing his enormous and unprecedented tariff rates on April 3, Trump promised that tariffs alone, by themselves, would re-industrialize America, by both creating a protective barrier and enabling Congress to slash taxes on the wealthiest Americans, whom he seems to believe will thereby be incentivized to “rebuild” American industry. It is as if giving more wealth to the financial managers who have deindustrialized America’s economy will somehow enable a repeat of the industrial takeoff that was peaking in the 1890s under William McKinley.

What Trump’s narrative leaves out of account is that tariffs were merely the precondition for the nurturing of industry by the government in a mixed public/private economy where the government shaped markets in ways designed to minimize the cost of living and doing business. That public nurturing is what gave nineteenth-century America its competitive international advantage. But given his guiding economic aim to untax himself and his most influential political constituency, what appeals to Trump is simply the fact that the government did not yet have an income tax.

What also appeals to Trump is the super-affluence of a robber-baron class, in whose ranks he can readily imagine himself as if in a historical novel. But that self-indulgent class consciousness has a blind spot regarding how its own drives for predatory income and wealth destroy the economy around it, while fantasizing that the robber barons made their fortunes by being the great organizers and drivers of industry. He is unaware that the Gilded Age did not emerge as part of America’s industrial strategy for success but because it did not yet regulate monopolies and tax rentier income. The great fortunes were made possible by the early failure to regulate monopolies and tax economic rent. Gustavus Myers’ History of the Great American Fortunes tells the story of how railroad and real estate monopolies were carved out at the expense of the economy at large.

America’s anti-trust legislation was enacted to deal with this problem, and the original 1913 income tax applied only to the wealthiest 2 percent of the population. It fell (as noted above) mainly on financial and real estate wealth and monopolies – financial interest, land rent and monopoly rent – not on labor or most businesses. By contrast, Trump’s plan is to replace taxation of the wealthiest rentier classes with tariffs paid mainly by American consumers. To share his belief that national prosperity can be achieved by tax favoritism for his Donor Class by untaxing their rentier income, it is necessary to block awareness that such a fiscal policy will prevent the re-industrialization of America that he claims to want.

The U.S. economy cannot be re-industrialized without freeing it from rentier income

The most immediate effects of Trump’s tariff policy will be unemployment as a result of the trade disruption (over and above the unemployment flowing from his DOGE cutbacks in government employment) and an increase in consumer prices for a labor force already squeezed by the financial, insurance and real estate charges that it has to bear as first claims on its wage income. Arrears on mortgage loans, auto loans and credit-card loans already are at historically high levels, and more than half of Americans have no net savings at all – and tell pollsters that they cannot cope with an emergency need to raise $400.

There is no way that disposable personal income will rise in these circumstances. And there is no way that American production can avoid being interrupted by the trade disruption and layoffs that will be caused by the enormous tariff barriers that Trump has threatened – at least until the conclusion of his country-by-country negotiation to extract economic concessions from other countries in exchange for restoring more normal access to the American market.

While Trump has announced a 90-day pause during which the tariffs will be reduced to 10% for countries that have indicated a willingness to so negotiate, he has raised tariffs on Chinese imports to 145%.

China and other foreign countries and companies already have stopped exporting raw materials and parts needed by American industry. For many companies it will be too risky to resume trade until the uncertainty surrounding these political negotiations are settled. Some countries can be expected to use this interim to find alternatives to the U.S. market (including producing for their own populations).

As for Trump’s hope to persuade foreign companies to relocate their factories to the United States, such companies face the risk of him holding a Sword of Damocles over their heads as foreign investors. He may in due course simply insist that they sell out their American affiliate to domestic U.S. investors, as he has demanded that China do with TikTok.

And the most basic problem, of course, is that the American economy’s rising debt overhead, health insurance and housing costs already have priced U.S. labor, and the products it makes, out of world markets. Trump’s tariff policy will not solve this. Indeed, his tariffs by increasing consumer prices will exacerbate this problem by further increasing the cost of living and thus the price of American labor.

Instead of supporting a regrowth of U.S. industry, the effect of Trump’s tariffs and other fiscal policies will be to protect and subsidize obsolescence and financialized deindustrialization. Without restructuring the rentier financialized economy to move it back toward the original business plan of industrial capitalism with markets freed from rentier income, as advocated by the classical economists and their distinctions between value and price, and hence between rent and industrial profit, his program will fail to re-industrialize America. Indeed, it threatens to push the U.S. economy into depression – for 90 percent of the population, that is.

So we find ourselves dealing with two opposing economic philosophies. On the one hand is the original industrial program that the United States and most other successful nations followed. It is the classical program based on public infrastructure investment and strong government regulation, with rising wages protected by tariffs that provided the public revenue and profit opportunities to create factories and employ labor.

Trump has no plans to recreate such an economy. Instead, he advocates the opposing economic philosophy: downsizing government, weakening public regulation, privatizating public infrastructure, and abolishing progressive income taxes. This is the neoliberal program that has increased the cost structure for industry and polarized wealth and income between creditors and debtors. Donald Trump misrepresents this program as being supportive of industry, not its antithesis.

Imposing tariffs while continuing the neoliberal program will simply protect senility in the form of industrial production burdened by high costs for labor as a result of rising domestic housing prices, medical insurance, education, and services bought from privatized public utilities that used to provide basic needs for communications, transportation and other basic needs at subsidized prices instead of financialized monopoly rents. It will be a tarnished gilded age.

While Trump may be genuine in wanting to re-industrialize America, his more single-minded aim is to cut taxes on his Donor Class, imagining that tariff revenues can pay for this. But much trade already has stopped. By the time more normal trade resumes and tariff revenue is generated from it, widespread layoffs will have occurred, leading the affected labor to fall further into debt arrears, with the American economy in no better position to re-industrialize.

The geopolitical dimension

Trump’s country-by-country negotiations to extract economic concessions from other countries in exchange for restoring their access to the American market no doubt will lead some countries to succumb to this coercive tactic. Indeed, Trump has announced over 75 countries have contacted the U.S. government to negotiate. But some Asian and Latin American countries already are seeking an alternative to the U.S. weaponization of trade dependency to extort concessions. Countries are discussing options to join together to create a mutual trade market with less anarchic rules.

The result of them doing so would be that Trump’s policy will become yet another step in America’s Cold War march to isolate itself from trade and investment relations with the rest of the world, including potentially with some of its European satellites. The United States runs the risk of being thrown back onto what has long been supposed its strongest economic advantage: its ability to be self-sufficient in food, raw materials, and labor. But it already has deindustrialized itself, and has little to offer other countries except for the promise not to hurt them, disrupt their trade and impose sanctions on them if they agree to let the United States be the major beneficiary of their economic growth.

The hubris of national leaders trying to extend their empire is age-old – as is their nemesis, which usually turns out to be themselves. At his second inauguration, Trump promised a new Golden Age. Herodotus (History, Book 1.53) tells the story of Croesus, king of Lydia c. 585-546 BC in what is now Western Turkey and the Ionian shore of the Mediterranean. Croesus conquered Ephesus, Miletus and neighboring Greek-speaking realms, obtaining tribute and booty that made him one of the richest rulers of his time, famous for his gold coinage in particular. But these victories and wealth led to arrogance and hubris. Croesus turned his eyes eastward, ambitious to conquer Persia, ruled by Cyrus the Great.

Having endowed the region’s cosmopolitan Temple of Delphi with substantial gold and silver, Croesus asked its Oracle whether he would be successful in the conquest that he had planned. The Pythia priestess answered: “If you go to war against Persia, you will destroy a great empire.”

Croesus optimistically set out to attack Persia c. 547 BC. Marching eastward, he attacked Persia’s vassal-state Phrygia. Cyrus mounted a Special Military Operation to drive Croesus back, defeating Croesus’s army, capturing him and taking the opportunity to seize Lydia’s gold to introduce his own Persian gold coinage. So Croesus did indeed destroy a great empire – but it was his own.

Fast-forward to today. Like Croesus hoping to gain the riches of other countries for his gold coinage, Trump hoped that his global trade aggression would enable America to extort the wealth of other nations and strengthen the dollar’s role as a reserve currency against foreign defensive moves to de-dollarize and create alternative plans for conducting international trade and holding foreign reserves. But Trump’s aggressive stance has further undermined trust in the dollar abroad, and is causing serious interruptions in the supply chain of U.S. industry, halting production and causing layoffs at home.

Investors hoped for a return to normalcy as the Dow Jones Industrial Average soared upon Trump’s suspension of his tariffs, only to then fall back when it became clear that he was still taxing all countries 10 percent (and China a prohibitive 145 percent). It is now becoming apparent that his radical disruption of trade cannot be reversed.

The tariffs that Trump announced on April 3, followed by his statement that this was simply his maximum demand, to be negotiated on a bilateral country-by-country basis to extract economic and political concessions (subject to more changes at Trump’s discretion) have replaced the traditional idea of a set of rules consistent and binding for all countries. His demand that the United States must be “the winner” in any transaction has changed how the rest of the world views its economic relations with the United States. An entirely different geopolitical logic is now emerging to create a new international economic order.

China has responded with its own tariffs and export controls as its trade with the United States is frozen, potentially paralyzed. It seems unlikely that China will remove its export controls on many products essential for U.S. supply chains. Other countries are searching for alternatives to their trade dependency on the United States, and a reordering of the global economy is now under negotiation, including defensive de-dollarization policies. Trump has taken a giant step toward the destruction of what was a great empire.

[BMJ]

The Trump Tariff Affect or TTTA !!!

Two months in and look at the gains, so yes tariffs do work. They are good for the USA bad for China.


Trump’s Tariff Policies Drive Trillions in Foreign Investment and Job Growth in the U.S.

by Gloria Ogbonna | Mar 25, 2025

President Donald Trump’s aggressive trade policies, particularly his use of tariffs, have led to a surge in foreign investment and job creation across the United States.

By leveraging tariffs and trade negotiations, Trump has successfully pressured countries and corporations to invest in American manufacturing, resulting in over 200,000 new jobs and trillions in economic commitments from international partners.

Tariffs as a Tool for Economic Leverage

Trump has utilized the threat of tariffs against nations such as Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, China, and the European Union to secure economic concessions, push for more domestic production, and address concerns about illegal immigration and drug trafficking.

In November 2024, Trump announced on Truth Social that he would impose a 25% tariff on goods imported from Canada and Mexico until both countries took significant steps to curb illegal immigration and drug trafficking—particularly the flow of fentanyl—across the southern border.

In early 2025, he expanded these measures by proposing a 10% tariff on China, following an earlier tariff on Chinese imports imposed at the beginning of February.

Trump has also threatened a 100% tariff on BRICS nations if they attempt to introduce a new currency to replace the U.S. dollar in global trade.

His administration has also targeted Canadian imports, slapping a 50% tariff on steel and aluminum in March and threatening additional penalties unless Canada reduced its own tariffs on American goods.

The impact of these tariffs was immediate—Prepac, a major Canadian furniture manufacturer, announced the closure of its plant in British Columbia and a shift of its production to North Carolina.

Massive Foreign Investments in U.S. Industry

Trump’s tariffs and trade negotiations have not only reshaped international trade dynamics but have also driven significant foreign investments into the U.S. economy. Countries including Saudi Arabia, India, the UAE, and Japan have pledged billions of dollars in new investments, creating thousands of American jobs.

•Saudi Arabia plans to invest $600 billion in the U.S. over four years, according to CBS News.

•The UAE has committed $1.4 trillion over the next decade, per Reuters.

•India and the U.S. announced a plan to more than double their bilateral trade to $500 billion by 2030, up from $190 billion in 2023, as reported by CNBC.

The United Kingdom has also responded to Trump’s economic policies by considering the removal of its 2% tax on U.S. tech companies, while the European Union has delayed its 50% tariff on American whiskey following Trump’s threat to impose a 200% tariff on French wines and champagnes in retaliation.

Corporate Giants Respond to Trump’s Economic Strategy

Global corporations have also reacted to Trump’s policies by increasing their investments in the United States:

•Apple announced a $500 billion investment in the U.S. economy, which includes hiring 20,000 American workers over the next four years, according to Forbes.

•Hyundai committed $5.8 billion to build a new steel plant in Louisiana, generating approximately 1,500 jobs.

•Honda revealed plans to manufacture its next Civic Hybrid in Indiana, rather than in Mexico.

•Rolls-Royce has announced plans to shift more of its production to the U.S.

•Tech giants Larry Ellison, Sam Altman, and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son have teamed up to invest $500 billion in AI infrastructure under the “Stargate” project.

Trade Policy’s Impact on U.S. Jobs and Revenue

Trump’s trade agenda has also reversed job losses in the U.S. manufacturing sector. According to a White House fact sheet from March 8:

•The U.S. gained 10,000 manufacturing jobs in Trump’s first full month back in office.

•The auto sector alone added 9,000 new jobs in February—the highest in 15 months—after suffering a 27,300 job loss during Biden’s final year.

Additionally, tariffs have generated significant revenue for the U.S. Treasury. The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative reported that Trump’s tariffs have already brought in $4.4 billion in new revenue:

•$2.4 billion from China

•$1.2 billion from Mexico

•$720 million from Canada

Trump’s Hardline Approach to Immigration and Trade

Beyond economic policies, Trump has also used tariffs to enforce immigration agreements. In January, he threatened 25% tariffs on Colombia after President Gustavo Petro refused to accept deportation flights from the U.S. Shortly afterward, the Colombian government agreed to Trump’s terms, including unrestricted acceptance of all Colombian illegal immigrants deported from the U.S.

The Economic Revolution: Trump’s Vision for American Industry

Political commentators have noted the unprecedented scale of Trump’s economic impact. Charlie Kirk, President of Turning Point USA, stated:

“President Trump is well on his way to reversing decades of failed economic consensus in Washington, DC, that accomplished little except the hollowing out of our industrial base in exchange for cheap plastic from China.

In his first term, President Trump’s trade agenda was groundbreaking—this time, it’s a full-blown economic revolution that is laying the foundation for a made-in-America manufacturing renaissance.

Trillions in new investments are flowing to U.S. industry, creating hundreds of thousands of good-paying jobs of the future.”

Conclusion: A New Era of American Economic Strength

With $4 trillion in corporate investments either returning to or entering the U.S., Trump’s trade policies have reshaped global economic dynamics in favor of American manufacturing and job creation.

His strategy of leveraging tariffs as a negotiation tool has resulted in major trade concessions, a revitalized industrial sector, and new commitments from the world’s largest economies.

As Trump continues to push his economic agenda, his administration remains committed to ensuring that American jobs, industry, and innovation take center stage on the global stage—fulfilling his promise to put “America First.”

Source Breitbart

Link: https://yournews.com/2025/03/25/3326334/trumps-tariff-policies-drive-trillions-in-foreign-investment-and-job/

Link: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114433008125801208

[norman]

Alex Krainer analyses the tariffs 'war', as best he can, from the perspective of the people sitting at the big-boys table.

He does a very good and worthy listenable job of it too.


Alex Krainer tries to understand Trump’s tariff wars with China (https://podbay.fm/p/uk-column-podcasts/e/1746554400)
1 hour 7 minutes - Posted May 6, 2025

Show notes
Jerm and Alex discuss the ongoing tariff war, questioning if it’s a strategic move by Trump or just for show. They explore how Trump’s policies affect the US economy, the role of tariffs in trade, and the shift towards a multipolar world that could weaken the US dollar’s global status. Alex highlights the US economy’s vulnerabilities, especially foreign ownership of assets, and suggests a dual currency system. He stresses the need for US-China cooperation to benefit both in a multipolar world. Alex also critiques the Austrian School of Economics, pointing out flaws in its views on privatisation and public services, and discusses how tariffs might help restore American sovereignty and shape future global trade.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/alex-krainer-tries-to-understand-trumps-tariff-wars-with-china


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"All this hostility is for show"

[shaberon]

The Trump Tariff Affect or TTTA !!!

Two months in and look at the gains, so yes tariffs do work. They are good for the USA bad for China.



Sounds like it is so for Wall Street, not Main Street.

[shaberon]

This is of questionable benefit to the constituency (https://www.kitco.com/news/article/2025-05-06/price-gap-between-oil-and-gold-points-recession-and-4000-gold-bloombergs):



Investors looking to hedge against global economic uncertainty continue to pile into gold, pushing prices to $3,400 an ounce. According to one market strategist, gold’s appeal will continue to grow as recession fears intensify.

Mike McGlone, Senior Commodity Strategist at Bloomberg Intelligence, wrote in a research note Tuesday that the growing discrepancy between oil and gold prices is sending strong signals that economic conditions may continue to deteriorate to historic levels.

“In 100 years of annual performance, 2025’s year-to-date decline of almost 21% in oil prices versus gold’s 26% gain has brought the disparity to nearly 50%—the fourth-largest difference from 1925 to 2025,” he said.

McGlone noted that gold’s 30% rally to last month’s all-time highs at $3,500 an ounce has put its trajectory in line with the gains seen in 2007 and 1935. Coupled with plunging oil prices, he said these two signals do not bode well for the economy.

“We see crude's low-price cure near $40 a barrel and gold's next resistance at around $4,000 an ounce. A lower U.S. stock market may be a major force to get there,” he said.


It might stop shy of Weimar-type hyperinflation, which, in a technical sense, is not what I am seeing now, despite having a healthy start on it.

[BMJ]

Tariffs - This Could Change The Film Industry Forever

DFCshwzb2os

The Critical Drinker
May 9, 2025

In one of the biggest shakeups of the film business ever, Donald Trump announced new 100% tariffs on all films made outside of the US. But what will this mean for Hollywood and the rest of the world? Will it ultimately help or ruin the American film industry? Let's find out.

[norman]

Brexit Britain gets it's trade deal before Europe.

UK Farmers won't feel any safer ?


The Daily T - “A Very Great Deal”- How Trump and Starmer sealed it (https://podbay.fm/p/the-two-minute-briefing/e/1746724038?t=72)
47 minutes - Posted May 8, 2025

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/business/2025/05/08/TELEMMGLPICT000423243548_17467197089230_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq-IWLY18X4-CzgyIcjLEAj0k9u7HhRJvuo-ZLenGRumA.jpeg?imwidth=1920

Show notes
Has Keir Starmer finally got something right? In a slightly awkward speaker phone press conference, the Prime Minister and President Donald Trump announced a new US-UK trade deal, dubbing today a “fantastic, historic day”. The deal will see the US removes tariffs on UK steel and aluminium, and cut car rate to 10%.

In return, the UK government will remove the tariff on ethanol for US goods and agrees to “reciprocal market access on beef”. Camilla and Kamal look at the pros and cons of the “very great deal”.

And as the Bank of England cuts interest rates - we’ll be asking the shadow chancellor Mel Stride why this is actually bad news for his opposition Rachel Reeves.

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[bojancan]

This can be as money laundering... so are these payments made directly to Trump??????

Desperate Companies BRIBE Trump To Avoid Bankruptcy | The Kyle Kulinski Show
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SHOCKING Proof Trump’s Crypto Coin Is A Scam | The Kyle Kulinski Show
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[bojancan]

David Pakman Show
3.18M subscribers
WOW: Scottish reporter CALLS TRUMP OUT for OBVIOUS lies
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[bojancan]

I am adding this short video here... some people were expecting something different, I am sure of that... not what is happening now... I see all of that, what is happening as imperialistically actions by this administration and their circle...
Interesting analysis by Whitney Webb..

Katie Halper
294K subscribers

Whitney Webb EXPOSES the Truth About State Department
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[bojancan]

Interesting video... Trump: "NOT MY PROBLEM"

BREAKING: Boeing Just LOST Billions — And Trump Says It’s “Not His Problem”!
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MeidasTouch
4.81M subscribers

Trump UK Deal INSTANTLY BACKFIRES as US Auto REVOLTS
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RJ Talks channel reporting on major developments regarding the trade deal and tariffs and China.... he says a couple of days ago the 145% tariff on Chinese imports took effect and China is quickly entering negotiations because of the detrimental effect it is having on the Chinese economy...

He also notes that the 'corporate media' are mischaracterizing the negotiations and trying to portray it as Trump caving in...


Trump Closes MAJOR Trade Deal with China!! (15:04) ...last 3 minutes about the channel's sponsorship


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start - Trade deal being negotiated between the US and China - hosted by Switzerland - reports that the talks are constructive and making progress -

9:00 - stocks and shares going up in the wake of the negotiations -

11:30 - About Alaska and Trump wanting to develop the resources there -

[bojancan]

The real reason why Trump is tapping out of the trade war with China is shocking yet not one is talking about it. Geopolitical analysts Warwick Powell, Carl Zha and KJ Noh expose the brutal impact of China's retaliation to Trump's trade war currently changing everything for the US dollar and its economic dominance. China has won but most can't see it. After this video, you will so don't miss it!

Danny Haiphong
420K subscribers

Trump’s Trade War COLLAPSES: China & BRICS Just BROKE Bessent w/ Dr. Warwick Powell & Carl Zha
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Tim Pool takes a look at Trump's tariff negotiations with China - and the effect on the Stock Market -

Market SKYROCKETS On Trump China Trade Deal, Tariffs DROPPING On Both Sides, Trump Claims Victory (12:20)


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my comment...Trump is America First but he knows that America has to exist within a healthy world economy so at the end of the day I'm sure he doesn't want to actually destroy China's economy or any other economy - he just wants a good deal for the US - - -and he wants to build up America's manufacturing base and create jobs for Americans - it seems like before Trump, American taxpayers were being shamelessly used to finance the New World Order Agenda - the Deep State Agenda - like some huge charity... and corrupt or plain greedy politicians were getting their hands on huge amounts of money for things that lined their own pockets or were against the interests of America.... that's why DOGE was so important - (Department of Government Efficiency) -

A bit of time is needed for all Trump's plans to fall into place - although things are moving really fast anyway - the naysayers will never stop complaining or will fall silent when it's difficult to turn everything into a negative -

[Flash]

The real reason why Trump is tapping out of the trade war with China is shocking yet not one is talking about it. Geopolitical analysts Warwick Powell, Carl Zha and KJ Noh expose the brutal impact of China's retaliation to Trump's trade war currently changing everything for the US dollar and its economic dominance. China has won but most can't see it. After this video, you will so don't miss it!

Danny Haiphong
420K subscribers

Trump’s Trade War COLLAPSES: China & BRICS Just BROKE Bessent w/ Dr. Warwick Powell & Carl Zha
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Add to that Trump’s family and friends buying billions minutes before anything positive for the market are announced, being obviously told. This on off Tariff strategy has made him and friends extremely richer with barely legal transactions.

[bojancan]

Krystal and David discuss pharma stocks soaring after Trump's drug price announcement...

Breaking Points
1.44M subscribers

Pharma Stocks SOAR After Trump FAKE PRICE CRACKDOWN
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[bojancan]

My opinion... this video suits here too! Interesting! From 1 month ago...

Firstpost
8.05M subscribers

I apologize.. here is half hour of his speech...

Jeffrey Sachs Warns India to be Wary of US | Palki Sharma | Rising Bharat Summit | N18G
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[BMJ]

Who Would Have Thought Tariffs Work ???

NEW: Bill Maher ADMITS he was *WRONG* about Trump's tariffs🚨

"The stock market is at record highs."

"I don't see a country in a depression at all. I see people out there just living their lives."

"And I would have thought — and I gotta own it — that these tariffs were going to f*cking sink this economy by this time — and they didn't."

@DailyCaller

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[bojancan]

This is parody and humiliation of EU... I am ashamed for this woman...
This is terrible deal for EU... but Trump is selling weapons all around... warmongers deal.. I am ashamed for EU... she is a vassal of US!!!! It was catastrophe for people of EU!!!!
I am sensing that all what is happening now... is very very good for 1% of the rich all over the world.. not for benefit for "THE PEOPLE".. as long run... will be much worse for the people of US too...

US-EU Trade Deal. Trump gets everything, Ursula gets nothing
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[BMJ]

Rubbing The EU's Nose In It So They'll Never Screw With The US Again !!!

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[bojancan]

One comment from US:

So much for bringing manufacturing home!

"U.S. manufacturing contracted for a fifth straight month in July and factory employment dropped to the lowest level in five years amid tariffs that have raised prices of imported raw materials.
The Institute for Supply Management (ISM) said on Friday that its manufacturing PMI dropped to 48.0 last month from 49.0 in June. A PMI reading below 50 indicates contraction in manufacturing, which accounts for 10.2% of the economy."

The Duran
489K subscribers
Trump's BRICS anger and ephemeral deals
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Trump's BRICS anger and ephemeral deals
The Duran: Episode 2296

0:00 - Discussion on Trump's tariff announcements
1:28 - Tariffs as a geopolitical weapon
3:53 - Trump's anger towards Brazil and India's trade policies
6:59 - The impact of tariffs on India's economy
9:49 - Negotiations with China and the refusal to lift restrictions
12:24 - The chaotic nature of Trump's tariff policies
15:01 - The potential economic consequences of high tariffs
18:09 - Concerns about the long-term sustainability of tariff revenue
19:56 - The implications of tariffs on US and global economies
25:00 - The geopolitical strategy behind Trump's tariffs
32:14 - The potential fallout from collective Western tariff policies
44:42 - The future economic landscape with a divided global economy

[bojancan]

Excellent advice prof.Jefrey... he was always truthful...


Aug, 8
Hindustan Times
8.44M subscribers
Why India Shouldn’t Side With U.S. Against China: Jeffrey Sachs Explains
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Professor Jeffrey Sachs delivers a withering assessment of U.S.-India relations under Donald Trump, addressing the latest tariffs imposed on India for buying Russian oil and defense equipment. In this candid exchange, Sachs warns Indian viewers not to expect deep strategic partnerships or long-term favors from Washington, arguing that U.S. policy is driven by short-termism and the pursuit of global dominance—not mutual respect. He stresses India’s need for a truly multipolar foreign policy, balancing its ties with the U.S., China, Russia, and Africa while refusing to be used as leverage in America's games. Are U.S. politicians even interested in India’s rise, or is U.S. hegemony a dangerous delusion in today's multipolar world?

[bojancan]

Alway like to listen Stephanie Ruhle... interesting talk and answers...

Aug, 27
The Daily Beast
326K subscribers
Why Trump Is The Real Danger to the Economy: Ruhle | The Daily Beast Podcast
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MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle joins Joanna Coles to unpack Donald Trump’s power moves against the Federal Reserve's governors. From his campaign against Fed chairman Jerome Powell to saying he has fired Black governor Lisa Cook, the conversation reveals a president at war with the independent central bank.

The two explore how Trump leans on Wall Street CEOs, demands loyalty over judgment, and pulls business leaders like Jeff Bezos and Tim Cook into his orbit as props in his economic battles.
And Ruhle spells out why Wall Street's hair is on fire about New York socialist Zohran Mamdami but it should be ablaze about Trump.

00:00 - Introduction
01:08 - Trump Desperate For Power Over Fed
04:36 - Trump Attack On Lisa Cook
06:25 - Taco Trump Leaves Markets Indifferent
08:50 - OG Republicans Silent In Face Of Trump's Socialism
10:21 - Scott Bessent Heeled By Trump
13:01 - Trump's Fed Chair Short List
15:05 - Jeff Bezos & Tim Cook Sidle Up To Trump
19:30 - Is Trump Right About Lower Interest Rates?
21:15 - Howard Lutnick Confused About Capitalism
23:23 - Trump Wants National Stake In More Private Companies
24:33 - Wall St. More Vocal About Zohran Mamdani Than Trump
26:12 - Wrap Up

[rgray222]

What Impact Have Tariffs Had?
Now that we are more than halfway through 2025, it is clear that many of Trump's critics regarding his tariffs were simply wrong. Not surprisingly, the critics were driven by their political ideology rather than sound economic judgment. Many of these economic experts, youtube influencers and podcasters swore to their viewers and readers that the tariffs were going to crash the market and sink the economy by mid-summer. These experts are getting schooled by Trump, he has shown them that tariffs protect existing American manufacturing, return American manufacturing to American soil, reduce trade deficits, and serve as leverage in trade negotiations.

The destruction of Globalization was never about Tariffs
Many of the so-called geopolitical experts said that Trump's tariffs were going to end globalizaion. The tariffs were meant pull American manufacturing back on US soil, and generate revenue to offset the deficit but they were never intended to end globalization.

Illegal Immigration Stop Globalization
Trump's shift away from globalization is evident in his policies and actions. First and foremost, Trump has put an end to illegal immigration in the USA and sent a clear message to the people (not governments) of the world that unvetted, unimpeded illegal immigration is not good for any country.

Peace Prevents Globalization
Trump understands that war is the staple of the globalist. He knows that peace around the world prevents the influence of globalization in several ways, both by promoting stability and by potentially slowing certain aspects of global interconnectedness. Peace reduces the need for international intervention, stops the flow of aid and decreases migration flows. The linchpin of globalism is to create war and conflict so that the people of the world feel that only a global government can solve the problem. It never ceases to amaze me that peace is one of the main reasons that Trump is so reviled.

Trump Cancels Accords, Treaties and Pulls the USA our of Global Organizations
He also views international agreements as a serious constraint on American sovereignty. Trump has rightly called the United Nations "a poorly run organization full of diplomats incapable of making consequential decisions." Trump's strategic withdrawals have had a disproportionate impact on the legitimacy and functionality of Global institutions. UN Secretary-General António Guterres has expressed concern over the "decline of U.S. leadership and soft power, warning that global problems cannot be solved without American engagement." When you see the word engagement, read American money. Trump has pulled the United States out of the following organization, and this is only the beginning.

(UNHRC) UN Human Rights Council
(UNESCO) United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization
(UNRWA) UN Relief and Works Agency)
(WHO) World Health Organization
(ICC) International Criminal Court
Paris Climate Accord
Universal Postal Union
Trump terminated the U.S. International Climate Financing Plan
He is ready to withdraw from the International Energy Agency

The is little doubt that Trump's preference is for unilateral, transactional foreign policy. His entire focus is on returning financial health to the USA, bringing back common sense and the destruction of the global agenda.

[bojancan]

I do not see Trump as a good president... ever... history is going to remember him as the greatest businessman ever.. first he bankrupt his own companies.... now he will bankrupt the united states....
and will go around the world...
The world have more alternatives for sure... we are in multipolar world... there are lot of big strong countries... developing countries.
I do not like.. US want to roll the whole world with a stick... doesn’t seem appropriate at all... with Trump US has too much power and often misuses it...
US is a great country... there are great people with talents... but out there could be more balance for a better world for all... not only Trump's world in US... or in planed Trump's Riviera in Gaza...


Aug, 28
WION
10M subscribers
Trump Tariff War: Under Pressure On India, White House Confused, Contradictory | GRAVITAS
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U.S. President Donald Trump is weaponising tariffs against India, but the messaging coming from within the United States, more so from the White House, is appearing more and more contradictory, convoluted, and devoid of logic.

[bojancan]

Aug, 29
MeidasTouch
5.32M subscribers
BREAKING: Appeals Court STRIKES DOWN Trump Tariffs!!
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The Trump administration as begun embracing nationalization...
Aug 29
Kim Iversen
661K subscribers
Comrade Trump!? MAGA Starts To Embrace Socialism
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[bojancan]

Most of President Donald Trump’s global tariffs were ruled illegal by a federal appeals court that found he exceeded his authority in imposing them. Stonecourt Capital Partner Rick Davis and Iona University Political Science Professor Jeanne Sheehan Zaino react on "Balance of Power."


Aug, 29
Bloomberg Television
2.82M subscribers
US Appeals Court Rules Trump's Global Tariffs Illegal
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[rgray222]

I post this so people can get a straightforward, honest perspective on the court's ruling today. I view the comrade Trump stuff (videos above) and the other clickbait videos as a true waste of time.

The U.S. Court of International Trade initially overturned most of President Trump's tariffs today, ruling that his use of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) to impose sweeping tariffs was illegal and exceeded presidential authority. However, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit temporarily stayed that ruling, allowing the tariffs to remain in place pending appeal.

The Federal Circuit issued a 7-4 decision (along party lines) affirming that the tariffs were illegal, agreeing that Trump had overstepped his authority by using IEEPA to impose tariffs, but it vacated the lower court’s injunction, permitting the tariffs to stay in effect for now while the administration appeals to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court may not take this case on until the Spring of 2026, but that is unlikely. While there are no guarantees which way the Supreme Court will rule, the prevailing wisdom is that they will overturn the decsion of the US Court of International Trade.

[bojancan]

United States Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick claimed that President Trump's tariff war were yield over $50 billion in revenue for the United States. Cenk Uygur and John Iadarola discuss on The Young Turks. Do you agree with TYT's take? Tell us what you think in the comments below.

Sept, 27
The Young Turks
6.28M subscribers
Cenk Makes Bold New Prediction on Trump’s Collapse
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[Bill Ryan]

I suggested a while back that none of this would end well. Of course, I was far from the only one, but the evidence is mounting that all this is an incoming economic catastrophe for the US.


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fight-end-china-escalates-trade-war-sanctions-port-fees

Market Maelstrom Returns As China Escalates Trade War With Sanctions, Tit-For-Tat Port Fees

Global equity futures slipped on Tuesday after China vowed to "fight to the end" in its trade war with the U.S., following President Trump's threat last week to impose 100% tariffs on Chinese goods (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trump-tariff-tape-bomb-tanks-stocks-week-bonds-bullion-bid). Despite Washington's attempts to soften its tone over the weekend (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/markets-rebound-vance-plays-good-cop-says-willing-be-reasonable-china), tensions are intensifying into the new week: both countries are imposing new docking fees on each other's vessels, signaling deepening Sino-US relations ahead of Trump-Xi talks. Adding to the flaring tensions, Beijing sanctioned five U.S. subsidiaries of South Korean shipbuilder Hanwha Ocean, while U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent accused China of deliberately undermining the global economy.

Trump's move last Friday to threaten Beijing with an additional 100% tariff on Chinese goods, in response to China's sweeping new export controls on rare earths and ahead of a planned Trump-Xi meeting later this month, signals that both sides are trying to gain as much leverage as possible before the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in South Korea.

The Chinese Commerce Ministry condemned the Trump administration's tactics, calling them incompatible with dialogue. "If you wish to fight, we shall fight to the end; if you wish to negotiate, our door remains open," a ministry spokesperson said.

"The United States cannot simultaneously seek dialogue while threatening to impose new restrictive measures. This is not the proper way to engage with China," the ministry said.

On Sunday, Trump walked back his rhetoric in a Truth Social post that said "it will all be fine", adding that the U.S. wants to "help" China. This relief sent global equities soaring on Monday, yet the outlook darkened on Tuesday after the ministry sanctioned South Korean shipbuilder Hanwha.

China's Commerce Ministry wrote in a statement that Hanwha Ocean's five U.S. subsidiaries, Hanwha Shipping LLC, Hanwha Philly Shipyard Inc., Hanwha Ocean USA International LLC, Hanwha Shipping Holdings LLC, and HS USA Holdings Corp, are sanctioned over "assisting and supporting the U.S. government's probes and measures against Chinese maritime, logistics and shipbuilding sectors. China is strongly dissatisfied and resolutely opposes it."

Earlier Tuesday, Beijing confirmed it had begun imposing additional port fees on vessels linked to the U.S., while clarifying that Chinese-built ships would be exempt from the new charges. This tit-for-tat followed the U.S. decision to impose on Chinese vessels at U.S. ports.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I wonder if it is purposeful to neglect to mention the new unilateral restrictions China imposed on the world for its exotic minerals and other related crucial resources?

By the way it is China that is over-exposed not the USA.

While the USA pivots to economic restructuring in a bid to establish a Golden Age of America, China is pivoting to a war footing. With its domestic economy in tatters, there are not many options left for it other than impose economic sanctions on all the world, short of dealing respectfully with the rest of the world, which it abhors.

[bojancan]

I am placing here just a little humorous... for good morning Tuesday... :bigsmile:


Economic genius Trump
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Carl Worker

Oct 15
Extraordinary arrogance.

Li Chenggang is China’s most senior trade policy official and the number two alongside Vice Premier He in charge of trade negotiations with the US. Bessent however decides to insult him publicly (calling him a “lower level trade person who is slightly unhinged”) and reveals that he does not even know how to pronounce his name. Tantamount to proclaiming a lack of respect for the Chinese side. With leadership like that, the US is in trouble.

US Treasury Secretary Bessent: There is a low-level official in the Chinese trade team who is unhinged, and his name is Li Chenggang. In August, Li Chenggang made threats to plunge the global economy into chaos if the United States imposes fees on Chinese ships docking. Now it's China against the whole world.

https://x.com/carlworker/status/1978570122760802500

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Peter Lindström

Oct 10
China announces reciprocal Port fee tariffs on US vessels

Below translated from Chinese with Gemini.

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Arnaud Bertrand

Shows once more that this account 👇 is knowledge-free ****posting: Li's WTO role has nothing to do with his role as negotiator with Bessent.

In fact he was promoted into his current role as "China International Trade Representative" back in April FROM his WTO role (https://reuters.com/world/china/china-changes-top-trade-negotiator-amid-tariff-war-with-us-2025-04-16/): the news of him being "removed" from the WTO role is simply him wrapping up his previous role so he can presumably fully focus on negotiating with Bessent 😏

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1980247345087590757

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Daniel McAdams

Replying to @RnaudBertrand
I skip all Hedge's China stuff because it seems wholly informed by the Falun Gong's Epoch Times.

The fact that a routine dismissal following exactly the same procedure that has been in practice for years has been repackaged into some kind of "BIG NEWS" just shows how ignorant some have become (or may has always been) on China's political process, cherry-picking datapoints and misinterpreting them to fit in a biased understanding.

This morning, Beijing time 1020am, Xinhua News reported that President Xi Jinping has signed off on dismissing Li Chenggang from the role of China's ambassador to the WTO and UN Geneva. Li Yongjie, former MOFCOM deputy international trade representative until the end of June 2025, was appointed to replace Li Chenggang in the same announcement.

This was immediately interpreted by some as China bowing down to Bessent, who has singled out Li Chenggang as "hostile" in his latest attack on China in the recent escalation of trade tensions. However, what in fact happened was:

1. Li Chenggang was promoted to become MOFCOM international trade negotiator--a full-ministerial role--in April at the onset of the trade war with the US, and had returned to Beijing from Geneva to lead China's trade negotiation. China's ambassador to the WTO and UN Geneva is a vice-ministerial-rank job, half a level below the international trade negotiator in administrative rank.

2. His replacement, Li Yongjie, was most certainly chosen before the end of June, when Li Yongjie was dismissed as deputy international trade negotiator.

3. China's appointments of ambassadors take place in cohorts. It is the standard practice that multiple ambassadors are appointed/dismissed. Just today, Beijing appointed a total of SEVEN ambassadors, including Li Yongjie, and dismissed their predecessors, including Li Chenggang, from their previous ambassadorial roles in the same announcement.

4. In short, these latest dismissals and appointments are just routine practice Beijing has been following for years on its own, fixed schedule. It has nothing to do with how the US has been singling out a full minister for its own, could-be tactical purposes in trade negotiations.

5. This reminds me of the balloongate of 2023, when many misinterpreted the dismissal of then-China Meteorological Administration head Zhuang Guotai as Beijing scapegoating him. Zhuang, in fact, was promoted to become a full-ministerial chairman at Gansu CPPCC days before that dismissal. State Council dismissals and appointments, unfortunately, to the disadvantage of self-claimed China watchers, also happen in cohorts.

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1980285572104298590

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Arnaud Bertrand reposted

Jostein Hauge

Oct 18
This utter bull**** by the CTO of Palantir, Shyam Sankar, needs to be called out.

The US never offered China “peaceful coexistence.” The US wanted China subordinated. They wanted China’s cheap labour inserted into their supply chains and its cheap goods to flow into the US market.

The US actually got this extremely lucrative deal for decades, draining value from the Chinese economy.

Sankar says that “No country did more for Chinese prosperity than America.” In reality, it’s closer to the opposite.

The electronics giant Apple is the perfect case in point. Apple has made a fortune in China: $227 billion in operating profit over the past 10 years, which accounts for over a quarter of its total operating profit during this period.

US consumers have also benefited hugely from China’s integration into the global economy: the price of manufactured goods imported into the US has declined massively relative to US consumer prices in non-traded sectors between the 1980s and 2010s — in some instances by more than 40%.

The only “crime” China has committed is developing its economy, cleverly using international trade and foreign investment to their benefit. And this is exactly what Palantir’s CTO, Shyam Sankar — and so many others in the US ruling class — has an issue with.

The US government is now throwing everything but the kitchen sink at China in an attempt to halt China's economic development. Why? Because China is doing exactly the one thing the US has never been willing to accept: sovereign, independent development that isn’t subservient to US interests.

In some ways, it’s good that we’re exposed to views like Sankar’s — however much he distorts reality — because the mask is finally off. It’s now clear as day that Sankar and his allies in the US ruling class will only accept a global economic order controlled and dominated by the US.

https://x.com/haugejostein/status/1979666368283787268

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Arnaud Bertrand
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Oct 18
Ironically, it's EXACTLY people like Shyam Sankar who are at the center of the US's current predicament.

China is rising because it focuses, first and foremost, on improving itself for its own sake. To the extent there is one, that's the magic formula.

Folks like Sankar, the CTO of Palantir and therefore a core member of the US military-industrial complex, have for decades driven the US to do anything BUT that. The priority is always, as is painfully obvious from his post, to drive hatred and aim for the destruction of others. While, laughably, claiming in the same breath that "America has a positive sum spirit" 🤦‍♂️

As long as these sorts of people are in the driving seat, China can actually rest easy. It's the day someone says "You know what, let's stop obsessing over China and other scapegoats, and focus on rebuilding our own infrastructure and education system" that they should start to worry.

Exactly, that's what the "black/white cat" metaphor was all about

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1979753919233622380

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[bojancan]

One comment from US:

" Canada....Is Not The Problem
IT'S OUR CORRUPT PRESIDENT THAT IS THE PROBLEM"


Oct, 24
MeidasTouch
5.5M subscribers
Trump makes FATAL MISTAKE in LATE NIGHT TANTRUM over Canada
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas talks about the fatal error made by Donald Trump in throwing a tantrum over Ontario, Canada running an anti-tariff ad campaign in the United States which Donald Trump falsely claimed contained “fake” audio of Ronald Reagan.

[bojancan]

This is insane Trump's US... they are shouting "America first"... while importing beef... how can they pay ICE... but cannot pay air traffic controllers... how are they tearing the White House down and building a ballroom while shutting the government down.... Trump is NOT!!!!

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on some Republicans in the Senate voting with Democrats to pass a resolution to cancel Trump’s tariffs against Canada and Meiselas highlights other efforts by GOP Senators and House Members to start pushing back against Trump’s unlawful conduct ..

Oct, 30
MeidasTouch
5.52M subscribers
Trump gets BETRAYED by Senate GOP as DESPERATION GROWS
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