India & Pakistan at War

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India & Pakistan are now at War!

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Let's hope both sides do NOT use Nuclear Weapons! Maybe UFOs/UAPs intervene?

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source (https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/1919907138605904219)

India-Pakistan live: India strikes Pakistan, Pakistan-administered Kashmir

https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/AFP__20250507__44R74CP__v1__HighRes__PakistanIndiaKashmirUnrest-1746622642.jpg?resize=730%2C410&quality=80

Indian military strikes Pakistan, Pakistan-administered Kashmir

By Ali Harb (https://www.aljazeera.com/author/ali_harb_200919153312036) and Farah Najjar (https://www.aljazeera.com/author/farah_najjar_170122101834491)

India and Pakistan exchange fire across the line of control between Indian- and Pakistan-administered Kashmir after India launched (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/6/india-launches-attacks-on-several-sites-in-pakistan) Operation Sindoor.
Pakistan says India’s missile attacks (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/7/why-did-india-strike-pakistan-all-we-know-about-operation-sindoor) on Punjab province and Pakistan-administered Kashmir killed at least 31 people and wounded dozens. India says at least 13 have been killed and more wounded in Indian-administered Kashmir due to Pakistani fire.
Pakistan says it shot down five Indian fighter jets – India is yet to respond.
India says its attacks hit “terror” training sites; Pakistan says mosques and civilians were struck, calling it an “act of war” and promising a robust response.
Tensions have been escalating between the two nuclear-armed countries since a deadly attack in Indian-administered Kashmir’s Pahalgam (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/23/act-of-war-what-happened-in-kashmir-attack-that-killed-26-tourists) on April 22, which India blamed on Pakistan. Pakistan has denied any involvement.

source (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/5/6/india-pakistan-fighting-live-india-fires-missiles-into-pakistan)

[RatRodRob...RRR]

Please dont use Water as a way of attacking your neighbor.

I was in Pahalgam back in 84, a very beautiful part of the world, please stay that way.

I dont think India or Pakistan can solve their issues with each other alone, they need someone to step in and mediate between the two, they need to come up with a reasonable solution regarding the Himalayas and Water.

I think the reason behind the tourist attacks in Pahalgam was a deliberate way of igniting and escalating the conflict between the two nations, attacks orchestrated by a foreign Government, and i think Indias and Pakistans leaders prolly already know that a foreign power were responsible for the attack on tourists in Pahalgam, but both nations are ruled by foreign powers, and could end up a Proxy War on steroids, and if these current attacks on each other escalate into a fully fledged war, nuclear or not, it could open the gates for copy cat proxy wars between other countries that are already at each others throat, its easier to start a war when another war is already in progress.

If India and Pakistan reach the point of no return, what other nations will side with either India or Pakistan, creating another World War, where the Rules of engagement are flushed down the dunny.

I dont like the current world we live in, its like every conspiracy theory imaginable is rattling the cage, its like it All will come together at once in a massive world changing event, i dont even think Prepping ones self and family will do anything, there will be no goin back and prepping will be just a short life line before the inevitable collapse of humanity.

I hope im wrong, not for me but for my two young sons and for the young all ova the globe, let them be free. ................................................RRR

[rgray222]

When long-standing hate is fueled by untethered emotion and both parties have access to nuclear weapons, it is beyond frightening. In the last twenty years, mankind has taken two steps back for every one forward. The world has entered a phase of the unknown.


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[shaberon]

This comes a day after (https://en.mehrnews.com/news/231517/Seven-Pakistan-army-soldiers-killed-in-blast-in-Balochistan):



Seven Pakistan army soldiers were killed on Tuesday when their vehicle was targeted by an improvised explosive device in the troubled southwestern province of Balochistan, Pakistan's military said in a statement.

The attack occurred around midday in a mountainous area known for its coal mines, a region frequently targeted by separatist groups led by the BLA, according to Reuters news agency.



It's the same sort of artificial divide in former British territory similar to the Middle East, except it is way bigger and much more dangerous.

Couple of months ago, BLA attacked an entire train with 400+ people on board. The somewhat artificial Pakistan has plenty of trouble with its own separatists, while contending with parts of Kashmir, which were perhaps hastily tucked in India by the map-makers.

Most of us will get this horrendous real-or-fake scenario about who's the terrorist and who's the civilian. As an outsider, I take it as none of my business where the loyalties of Balochistan or Kashmir lie, or what is worth fighting for. It's incomprehensible. This time it's not my country going around interfering, which is easy to oppose in 90% if not all cases.

China has a strategic interest in Pakistan, it is a vital link for them to increase trade in west Asia.

India perhaps has marginally better relations with Russia.

Although it has an elected government, that doesn't necessarily mean they carry the best policies.

This, in effect, is pretty close to the behavior of Turkey, routinely attacking Kurdish separatists in other countries.

[Ewan]

When long-standing hate is fueled by untethered emotion and both parties have access to nuclear weapons, it is beyond frightening. In the last twenty years, mankind has taken two steps back for every one forward. The world has entered a phase of the unknown.


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Dance of the Peacocks

The rest of the world looks on and see clowns.

[Bruce G Charlton]

My impression is that relations between India and Pakistan were relatively okay; and that this current conflict has been engineered and triggered by intervention from outside agents - probably the Usual Suspects; i.e. those who recently engineered/ sustained/ escalated wars in the Ukraine and the Middle East.

[jaybee]

My impression is that relations between India and Pakistan were relatively okay; and that this current conflict has been engineered and triggered by intervention from outside agents - probably the Usual Suspects; i.e. those who recently engineered/ sustained/ escalated wars in the Ukraine and the Middle East.


That's what I think as well.....

Re. global population reduction - which I think we have to accept is a real, on going agenda and not 'just' a conspiracy theory ..... I was wondering what 'they' were going to do with huge populations like India and China.... only thinning us out, in Europe ...is hardly going to make a dent in the overall numbers - and wide spread death by geo~engineering is a longer process.... so.....??

I, personally, don't think an India/Pakistan conflict will go nuclear - but advanced non nuclear weapons can kill A LOT of people.... and the aftermath would kill a lot more.....

not a happy subject .... just commenting....

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[thirtythree]

India being emboldened by Zionist support thinks It's a top player in the big-boy club, but is merely a pawn to counteract China. Just like the creation of Pakistan in 1947 was another move in the great game between the west and Russia.

I hope sense will prevail. The world can do without another full-blown war.

[Le Chat]

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[shaberon]

My impression is that relations between India and Pakistan were relatively okay; and that this current conflict has been engineered and triggered by intervention from outside agents - probably the Usual Suspects; i.e. those who recently engineered/ sustained/ escalated wars in the Ukraine and the Middle East.



Is there a reason to assume that oppressed populations do not act out of their own free will?

For example, in Ukraine, you can find trails of MI6 money bags invested in random acts of violence. Has anything been found that would place something like this as the main reason for the Pahalgam shootings?

And, despite any reduction of governmental tension, most Hindus and Muslims are fanatics who will eagerly slaughter each other in droves.

Modern India is the outcome of having been taken over by the Mughals, who, eventually facing insurrection and decay, had gotten the region into a rather dilapidated state that was then used by the British Empire for the ongoing Rape of India, leading to one of their own slaughters at, I forget the name of the place, but it was the first statistical analysis of expending something like 2,200 machine gun rounds into a crowd of civilians.

The resulting ouster of British power was done by a fulmination of various nationalistic ideas, none of which were particularly solid. Some copied Fascism; others such as the currently-dominant BJP being too avid about "Hinduism". They could not even come up with a national symbol. India having national symbols is just an 11th-hour grab at some "cool old stuff" like an elementary school art class; Indians don't know or understand what that stuff is.

Both of these are not real countries in the sense of any kind of intentional connection and bonding; rather, they are band-aids given by the modern notion of having a Constitution and a legal boundary recognizable by the U. N., like a "charted territory".

Obviously, the main boundary line was never intended as any kind of real solution to the substantial difficulty of perpetual conflict which comes from different ideas.

Right now I'd say that more than half, a significant majority, two-thirds probably, of Indians are ultra-nationalistic enough to press forward with Greater India that makes Greater Israel look like a joke. That is to say, they absolutely do not care about what close neighbor China may think about it.

Some of them think Ireland is part of India.

President Putin understands this very well. Consequently, in the long run, I would expect Russia to yield the most balanced and fair way of dealing with "multiple ethnicities".

Recently, Iran has also attacked "separatists" over the line in Pakistan. It perhaps is a much worse "training ground" than Afghanistan ever could have been. Given the state of its government, I'm not sure it has a viable existence or realistic future. As to how directly it may support any "foreign separatists" or funnel CIA funds to them, I don't know; just saying it has huge internal crises, whereas India has little problem putting out her relatively small forest fires, mostly for the benefit of a nationalistic majority.

[grapevine]

When long-standing hate is fueled by untethered emotion and both parties have access to nuclear weapons, it is beyond frightening. In the last twenty years, mankind has taken two steps back for every one forward. The world has entered a phase of the unknown.


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Dance of the Peacocks

The rest of the world looks on and see clowns.

I was thinking more like . . . :laughs:

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[Craig]

I dont like the current world we live in, its like every conspiracy theory imaginable is rattling the cage, its like it All will come together at once in a massive world changing event, i dont even think Prepping ones self and family will do anything, there will be no goin back and prepping will be just a short life line before the inevitable collapse of humanity.

................................................RRR

yes, the world feels like the ending of a long video game, where at the final stage you meet the big boss and mega doses of everything else you have battled in the past to get here.

[shaberon]

India has thousands of S-400 (https://southfront.press/india-activated-its-s-400-systems-to-repel-pakistani-attack-photos/) rounds which appear effective:



The officials said that Pakistan attempted to strike multiple military targets across northern and western India using drones and missiles.

The targets included bases in the cities Awantipora, Srinagar, Jammu, Pathankot, Amritsar, Ludhiana, and Bhuj, according to the officials, who added that the projectiles were all intercepted and neutralised by S-400 systems, locally dubbed “Sudarshan Chakra.”


This does not reflect what we would usually describe as calm or restraint (https://southfront.press/military-situation-in-pakistan-on-may-8-2025-map-update/):


Over the night, Indian army attacked several areas in Pakistan including Lahore, Karachi, Rawalpindi, Bahawalpur, Attock, Ghotki, Gujranwala, Chakwal with at least 25 Israeli Harop drones;
Four Pakistani servicemen were wounded by Indian drone attack in Lahore;
A civilian reportedly was killed by Indian drone attack in Ghotki;
Pakistani army shot down at least four Indian Airforce fighter jets in northern India;
Over the night of May 7th, Indian army attacked several areas in Azad Kashmir and Pakistan. 26 civilians reportedly were killed and 46 others were wounded;
Over the night of May 7th, Indian airstrikes targeted Subhanullah Mosque in Bahawalpur.

[shaberon]

Surprise (https://evrimagaci.org/tpg/baloch-liberation-army-escalates-attacks-in-balochistan-347805?srsltid=AfmBOorBeiEQl_jwbR9HasVPMRpztJhTNbpEdRprJiT8Vr2Df3Ht6bXa):



The BLA's recent operations have led them to claim control over key areas, including Quetta.

In a significant escalation of violence, the Baloch Liberation Army (BLA) has launched a series of coordinated attacks across Balochistan, targeting Pakistani military installations and infrastructure. These attacks, occurring amid ongoing tensions between India and Pakistan, have resulted in multiple casualties and heightened security concerns in the region.

The most notable incident took place on the night of May 8, 2025, when the BLA targeted several Pakistani army posts in Balochistan. Intense clashes erupted between BLA militants and Pakistani forces, marking a dramatic increase in hostilities. The BLA's spokesperson, Jeeyand Baloch, confirmed the assaults, stating that their fighters were actively engaging the occupying forces.


On May 7, a gas pipeline was blown up in the Tobo area of Dera Bugti district, with the Baloch Republican Guards (BRG) claiming responsibility. The explosion destroyed the main valve of a gas well operated by the Oil and Gas Development Company Limited (OGDCL). BRG spokesperson Dostain Baloch vowed to continue such attacks “until the liberation of Balochistan is achieved.”

Also on May 7, a telecommunications tower belonging to Ufone was attacked in the Haji Shar area of Kachhi, damaging critical communication equipment. The BLA claimed responsibility for this attack, asserting that the infrastructure supports military logistics and surveillance.

In Kech district, the BLA reported four separate attacks on May 7, including a remote-controlled improvised explosive device (IED) strike on a Pakistani bomb disposal squad in Dashtok, which resulted in one soldier's death. Later, they destroyed a military supply truck en route to a Pakistani army camp in Sahdem with another IED. On May 8, the BLA launched armed assaults on two military checkpoints, resulting in at least two personnel killed and three injured.

Jeeyand Baloch warned local civilians against collaborating with the military, stating, “The BLA has previously issued clear warnings urging locals to refrain from assisting the occupying military in any form… or else they will be held responsible for the consequences to their lives and property.” This statement underscores the BLA's strategy of deterring local support for Pakistani forces.

In a separate incident, BLA fighters attacked two trucks carrying chromite in the Choto area of Mastung on May 8, damaging the vehicles. The BLA justified this attack as part of its campaign against the “economic exploitation” of Baloch resources, claiming that these vehicles were involved in the looting of national wealth that benefits neither the Baloch people nor their communities.

On the same day, the Balochistan Liberation Front (BLF) claimed responsibility for a sniper attack on a Pakistani military outpost in the Kolwah region, resulting in the death of one soldier. BLF spokesperson Major Gwahram Baloch stated that video footage of the attack would be released via their media channel, Aashob, emphasizing their commitment to continue targeting Pakistani military forces until they withdraw from Balochistan.

In response to the escalating violence, Pakistani security forces have launched a large-scale military operation in Bolan district, with troop movements reported in Saangan, Jalari, and surrounding areas. This operation comes after an IED attack earlier in the week, also claimed by the BLA, which reportedly destroyed a military vehicle and killed all 12 personnel on board, including Commander Tariq Imran and Subedar Umar Farooq.

The Balochistan Liberation Army has positioned itself as a significant player in the ongoing struggle for Baloch independence, citing political marginalization, human rights abuses, and the exploitation of natural resources as core grievances. The group's recent attacks reflect a broader sentiment among Baloch nationalists who view the Pakistani military's presence as an act of occupation rather than a means of national defense.

[shaberon]

So we see there is a nationalistic movement to get rid of the Pak government.

The issue of Kashmir has been forced instead by those who want it to fuse with and empower that Pak government.

This would be the main target that India is attempting to attack.

Lashkar e taiba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashkar-e-Taiba) is the creation of Osama bin Laden:


Once Kashmir is liberated, LeT seeks to use it "as a base of operations to conquer India and force Muslim rule to the Indian subcontinent."

In its publications and on various platforms, the organization has consistently articulated its primary political goals, which include the destruction of India, Hinduism, and Judaism. The organization considers jihad a religious duty for all Muslims, with the establishment of a caliphate as its central religious and political objective.

In a pamphlet entitled "Why Are We Waging Jihad?", the group states that all of India along with many other countries were once ruled by Muslims and were Muslim lands, which is their duty to take it back from the non-Muslims. It declared United States, India, and Israel as "existential enemies of Islam".


Ok, whatever. I don't accept that personally. I don't believe it speaks for the real Islam as understood by some. It's the same Salafist ideology as in Syria HTS and other Al Qaeda branches.

Naturally, you'd expect "cells" to start popping up in Jammu and Kashmir; but I wonder how many Kashmiris would really believe their heritage belongs to a country that did not exist before 1947.


On the ground, there is a big difference between a critical mass of Balochis building to accomplish a revolution, versus trying to infiltrate and attack India and win loyalty by spreading fear.

[RatRodRob...RRR]

I dont like the current world we live in, its like every conspiracy theory imaginable is rattling the cage, its like it All will come together at once in a massive world changing event, i dont even think Prepping ones self and family will do anything, there will be no goin back and prepping will be just a short life line before the inevitable collapse of humanity.

................................................RRR

yes, the world feels like the ending of a long video game, where at the final stage you meet the big boss and mega doses of everything else you have battled in the past to get here.

Hi Craig, yeah my spidey censors are in overdrive, i havnt seen anything in the skys lately but i feel something will again show up, and not even talking bout UFOs when i wake up in the mornings im thinking to myself "i wonder what event has happened while i slept" the amount of stuff goin on is almost surreal, there have been quite afew large earthquakes too lately.............................................RRR

[Johnnycomelately]

Hey RRRob. Dunno if you want to hear this, but I think I’d be shirking if I didn’t say something back to that.

You know full well how life can go wrong, at your age. A lot of that is from personal experience, and a lot is from seeing others screw up, on the scale from individuals to nations.

You strike me as a grounded guy, someone who maintains peace in your daily life. Your talk here of dire apprehension about suspicions about geopolitical stuff, is incongruent, and frankly unsettling. Is it that you’ve got the smaller things sorted, but you get flustered when it’s big enough to be out of your control? Or is it that your personal-scale/local life is getting more challenging, like the spectre of drunk or drug kids that reared its ugly head there in recent years, or any other thing?

Please don’t take that as criticism, I just mean it as analysis, and I mean you well.

Take it or leave it, from another oldtimer, protect your inner peace. I think it’s the part or vibration of our thought that is closest to God.

Peace. It’s a deep deep word, like love.

To me it means cultivating an attitude of being for, as opposed to against, anything.

The apparition of Big anythings, be they the minions or the most evil, shouldn’t distract us from our daily life. I think that that cost is unwarranted, fear sucks.

Forget which coast you’re on, hope your winter is getting along nicely. Cheers.









I dont like the current world we live in, its like every conspiracy theory imaginable is rattling the cage, its like it All will come together at once in a massive world changing event, i dont even think Prepping ones self and family will do anything, there will be no goin back and prepping will be just a short life line before the inevitable collapse of humanity.

................................................RRR

yes, the world feels like the ending of a long video game, where at the final stage you meet the big boss and mega doses of everything else you have battled in the past to get here.

Hi Craig, yeah my spidey censors are in overdrive, i havnt seen anything in the skys lately but i feel something will again show up, and not even talking bout UFOs when i wake up in the mornings im thinking to myself "i wonder what event has happened while i slept" the amount of stuff goin on is almost surreal, there have been quite afew large earthquakes too lately.............................................RRR

[Richter]

India-Pakistan Conflict - LIVE Breaking News Coverage (4:38:39)
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Daily live-streams of the India-Pakistan conflict: https://www.youtube.com/@AgendaFreeTV

[Bruce G Charlton]

A thought that crossed my mind is "Ah! So this is why the Usual Suspects got rid of Imran Khan and put totalitarian-globalists puppets in charge".

Also, (and this is very general impression, rather then derived from "evidence") I am dismayed that India has become so rudderless and incoherent as a nation, by their ruling class focusing so much on materialism and money over the past four decades.

With so many de-nationalized "nations" in the world, whose rulers have no love (and often explicit hostility) for their people; it has become much too easy for the (West-based) agents of evil to manipulate these pseudo-nations into gratuitous, pointless, mutually-destructive wars; by various combinations of bribery, blackmail and sheer coercion.

There seems little resistance, indeed some eagerness, that India and Pakistan becomes (for no good reason, and no realistically-conceivable benefit to either people) a third "front" in the ongoing WWIII.

[Bill Ryan]

A thought that crossed my mind is "Ah! So this is why the Usual Suspects got rid of Imran Khan and put totalitarian-globalists puppets in charge". Yes. Imran would never have allowed things to develop like this.

Here's Larry Johnson interviewed by Redacted yesterday:

"CIA and MI6 are behind the war in India & Pakistan" Former CIA Agent admits


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India 'Activates' Russian S-400 As Pak Blitz Targets 15 Cities | All Missiles & Drones Destroyed:

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Operation Sindoor LIVE Update: India Uses S-400 Air Defence System To Defend Against Pak Missiles:

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Pak Missiles | All About The S-400 Defence System Used By India To Neutralise Pak Missiles:

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Pakistan's Defence Minister humiliated on CNN after failing to provide proof of downed Indian jets:

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Pakistan’s Defence Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif was humiliated in the global media after he failed to provide evidence of his claim that Pakistan shot down five Indian jets and a drone in retaliation to India’s strikes of Pakistani Kashmir.

[RatRodRob...RRR]

Hey RRRob. Dunno if you want to hear this, but I think I’d be shirking if I didn’t say something back to that.

You know full well how life can go wrong, at your age. A lot of that is from personal experience, and a lot is from seeing others screw up, on the scale from individuals to nations.

You strike me as a grounded guy, someone who maintains peace in your daily life. Your talk here of dire apprehension about suspicions about geopolitical stuff, is incongruent, and frankly unsettling. Is it that you’ve got the smaller things sorted, but you get flustered when it’s big enough to be out of your control? Or is it that your personal-scale/local life is getting more challenging, like the spectre of drunk or drug kids that reared its ugly head there in recent years, or any other thing?

Please don’t take that as criticism, I just mean it as analysis, and I mean you well.

Take it or leave it, from another oldtimer, protect your inner peace. I think it’s the part or vibration of our thought that is closest to God.

Peace. It’s a deep deep word, like love.

To me it means cultivating an attitude of being for, as opposed to against, anything.

The apparition of Big anythings, be they the minions or the most evil, shouldn’t distract us from our daily life. I think that that cost is unwarranted, fear sucks.

Forget which coast you’re on, hope your winter is getting along nicely. Cheers.









I dont like the current world we live in, its like every conspiracy theory imaginable is rattling the cage, its like it All will come together at once in a massive world changing event, i dont even think Prepping ones self and family will do anything, there will be no goin back and prepping will be just a short life line before the inevitable collapse of humanity.

................................................RRR

yes, the world feels like the ending of a long video game, where at the final stage you meet the big boss and mega doses of everything else you have battled in the past to get here.

Hi Craig, yeah my spidey censors are in overdrive, i havnt seen anything in the skys lately but i feel something will again show up, and not even talking bout UFOs when i wake up in the mornings im thinking to myself "i wonder what event has happened while i slept" the amount of stuff goin on is almost surreal, there have been quite afew large earthquakes too lately.............................................RRR

Hi JCL, yeah ive been around the block a few times but i think you have over thought my post, "incongruent" nah couldnt be further from the truth, big issues, little issues, i meet them head on and conquer all in front of me.
I meant what i said though, i am genuinely concerned about current events and there is nothing i can do about it, just like you cant do anything.

Im not "distracted" im focused, i think very deeply about life and all the issues that it brings, and no, im not offended by your observations, i think sometimes that writing or messaging someone gets askewed because its easy to misinterpret a written sentence due to missing all the other signs, including emotion when talking to someone in person.

Im head down arse up and determined to do my best for my family and friends, and to try educate those who cannot see.

Im bout 50 miles west of Melbourne and its a beautiful autumn day, only around 20c but very light breeze with a cloudless sky and its 10.45am, i will be goin out later to get my dose of Vitamin D, i love being outdoors, when im outside i smile alot, especially when im alone in the bush or park.

Are you up north Johnny..?

RRR

[shaberon]

Imran would never have allowed things to develop like this.

Here's Larry Johnson interviewed by Redacted yesterday:

"CIA and MI6 are behind the war in India & Pakistan" Former CIA Agent admits


Isn't this a bit circular (https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/05/a-us-or-uk-hidden-hand-how-an-india-pakistan-war-could-derail-central-asias-future.html)?


Now to Larry Johnson’s theory, via his Sonar21 website, Did Western Intelligence Play a Role in the Latest Terrorist Attack in Kashmir?:

While many uninformed Westerners might scoff at the idea, Pakistan’s Defense Minister, Khawaja Muhammad Asif, accused India of staging a false flag.




more substantial:


But Asif didn’t stop there. During an interview with Sky News, Asif admitted that Pakistan has been supporting and funding terrorist groups for about three decades, describing this as “doing the dirty work for the United States and the West, including Britain.” He acknowledged that this was a “mistake” and said Pakistan has suffered greatly as a result, especially by aligning with the West during the Soviet-Afghan war and the post-9/11 US-led war on terror…

Asif emphasized three key points:

Collaboration with Western Powers: Asif stated, “We have been doing this dirty work for the United States for about three decades, you know, the West, including Britain.” This comment was made in the context of discussing Pakistan’s historical role in supporting Western-led initiatives, which he suggests have contributed to the current challenges with terrorism.

Training of Mujahideen: Reflecting on Pakistan’s past decisions, Asif acknowledged that the country had trained Mujahideen fighters during the Afghan-Soviet war, stating, “We prepared them and now they have become terrorists.” He emphasized that Pakistan should not have engaged in such activities at the behest of other nations.

Critique of U.S. Military Actions: Asif has criticized the United States for its military interventions, noting that Pakistan has suffered due to its alliance with the U.S. He pointed out that the U.S. left behind high-tech weapons in Afghanistan, which have contributed to the rise in terrorism within Pakistan.

The attack in Pahalgam, at a minimum, was designed to disrupt further development of the area as a tourist destination.


tail wags dog:


Still, in light of Asif’s remarkable confession, I cannot rule out something more nefarious by my former outfit or by Britain’s MI-6.



Let's see...they got rid of Benazir Bhuto, and have been a terrorist training ground for thirty years. Not to the benefit of, but malfeasance to, their own country, if that is what it is.

Well, it's a hollow armpit carved out by British map-makers for that reason. So, it is entirely true, that Pakistan, per se, has something to do with CIA and MI6.


As to whether the spooks had anything to do with the Pahalgam shootings, or Indian reprisal, is unsubstantiated.

The extremists hate America; they were temporarily useful to bog down the U. S. S. R., and, the U. S. could be said to have won that type of 1980s "dirty tricks" Cold War that caused a political revolution, but, this theory has not panned out to be 100% reliable since then.

When the guy mainly describes Pakistan's fallouts, it becomes difficult to get around the enormity of that type of fervent "Mughal restoration" that may not have anything to do with any government or source of funds or weapons, it just really is who those people are. What do you do when those are the known plans of untold millions of your neighbors.

In retrospect, it might have been a better idea not to become such a breeding ground, and I'm not surprised the repercussions have been a bit sharp.

[Johnnycomelately]

Hi JCL, yeah ive been around the block a few times but i think you have over thought my post, "incongruent" nah couldnt be further from the truth, big issues, little issues, i meet them head on and conquer all in front of me.
I meant what i said though, i am genuinely concerned about current events and there is nothing i can do about it, just like you cant do anything.

Im not "distracted" im focused, i think very deeply about life and all the issues that it brings, and no, im not offended by your observations, i think sometimes that writing or messaging someone gets askewed because its easy to misinterpret a written sentence due to missing all the other signs, including emotion when talking to someone in person.

Im head down arse up and determined to do my best for my family and friends, and to try educate those who cannot see.

Im bout 50 miles west of Melbourne and its a beautiful autumn day, only around 20c but very light breeze with a cloudless sky and its 10.45am, i will be goin out later to get my dose of Vitamin D, i love being outdoors, when im outside i smile alot, especially when im alone in the bush or park.

Are you up north Johnny..?

RRR

Thanks for your response, Sir.

Maybe my reticence to worry about the big stuff, like this current skirmishing between two nuke-armed nations that have warred iirc 3 times in their brief history, is because I just don’t like to worry. But imo, that is an informed choice, because of how I’ve had successes in dealing with personal issues.

I do try to learn what’s going on on the big scales, especially with anything that might impact me. COVID got my attention pretty quick, when MSM started marching in lockstep. Then I started learning about it, kudos and thanks to Avalon for many of the resources, and I haven’t stopped. But since my 2 cousins and my sister weren’t open to my thoughts, I stopped talking about it. Stopped worrying for them too, because that felt like going against their will.

Am aware of other possibly big incoming problems, but I don’t feel a need to try and raise alerts. So, more latency for what I see as the things that I can affect.

Yeah north, halfway up Alberta. Arse down and kettle up, compared to you. I would love to see an Aussie map of my town, upside down.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

1921174163848401313
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1921174163848401313

[Satori]

1921174163848401313
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1921174163848401313

Looks like Trump was the answer.

[grapevine]

Pahalgam Attack Video: Unaware Tourist On Zipline Captures Pahalgam Terror Attack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TyztPaQfA (56 secs)
"A tourist who was on a zipline ride during a trip to Jammu & Kashmir's Pahalgam last week inadvertently captured the terrorist attack that left 26 civilians dead, according to a new video that has emerged on social media.

In the 53-second video that has gone viral, the tourist - a man in a blue checked shirt, wearing a pair of sunglasses and helmet as safety gear - can be seen taking and recording the ride using a selfie stick, even as sounds of gunshots can be heard in the background. "

[bojancan]

I see more helpful hand behind closed door Lavrov... as always he is the man... Trump's people and himself always claiming that he is the one who solves problems... He always want to take a credit for everything... the problem was not solved... I do not see it through..

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2599568/pakistan

May, 8th
Russia says willing to help resolve India-Pakistan differences over Kashmir

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov speaks to Pakistani counterpart Ishaq Dar amid regional tensions
Russia has been India’s largest weapons provider for decades, with both enjoying close ties since Soviet times
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov spoke to his Pakistani counterpart on Sunday and offered Russia’s help in resolving tensions between Pakistan and India over Kashmir, the Foreign Ministry said.

“Particular attention was paid to the significant rise in tension between New Delhi and Islamabad,” the ministry said in a statement, referring to Lavrov’s conversation with Ishaq Dar, who is also Pakistan’s deputy prime minister.



“It was stressed that Russia is ready to act for a political settlement of the situation resulting from the act of terrorism of April 22 in the Pahalgam area of the Kashmir valley, in the event of a mutual desire on the part of Islamabad and New Delhi,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement posted on Telegram.

Lavrov’s conversation with Dar took place two days after he spoke with Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar and also called for a settlement of differences between the two neighboring countries.

Suspected militants killed at least 26 people in last week’s attack on a mountain tourist destination in the Pahalgam area of the Kashmir valley.

Muslim-majority Kashmir is claimed by both countries and has been the focus of several wars, an insurgency and diplomatic standoffs.

Russia has been India’s largest weapons provider for decades and New Delhi and Moscow have had close ties since Soviet times.

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May, 11th
India and Pakistan ceasefire shaken by overnight border fighting in disputed Kashmir region

Residents and officials in the disputed Kashmir region say there was overnight border fighting between Pakistani and Indian troops
As part of the ceasefire, agreed a day earlier, the nuclear-armed neighbors agreed to immediately stop all firing and military action on land, in the air and at sea
They accused each other of repeatedly violating the deal hours later
ISLAMABAD: A ceasefire to end the conflict between India and Pakistan was shaken by overnight border fighting in the disputed Kashmir region.

People on both sides of the Line of Control, which divides the territory, reported heavy exchanges of fire between Indian and Pakistani troops. The fighting subsided by Sunday morning.

The two countries agreed to a truce a day earlier after talks to defuse the most serious military confrontation between them in decades following a gun massacre of tourists that India blames on Pakistan, which denies the charge.

As part of the ceasefire, the nuclear-armed neighbors agreed to immediately stop all firing and military action on land, in the air and at sea. They accused each other of repeatedly violating the deal just hours later.

Drones were spotted Saturday night over Indian-controlled Kashmir and the western state of Gujarat according to Indian officials.

In the Poonch area of Indian-controlled Kashmir, people said the intense shelling from the past few days had traumatized them.

“Most people ran as shells were being fired,” said college student Sosan Zehra who returned home Sunday. “It was completely chaotic.”

In Pakistan-controlled Kashmir’s Neelum Valley, which is three kilometers from the Line of Control, people said there were exchanges of fire and heavy shelling after the ceasefire began.

Resident Mohammad Zahid said: “We were happy about the announcement but, once again, the situation feels uncertain.”

US President Donald Trump was the first to post about the deal, announcing it on his Truth Social platform. Indian and Pakistani officials confirmed the news shortly after.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi chaired a high-level meeting on Sunday with top government and military officials.

India, unlike Pakistan, has not said anything about Trump or the US since the deal was announced. Nor has India acknowledged anyone beyond its military contact with the Pakistanis.

Both armies have engaged in daily fighting since Wednesday along the rugged and mountainous Line of Control, which is marked by razor wire coils, watchtowers and bunkers that snake across foothills populated by villages, tangled bushes and forests.

They have routinely blamed the other for starting the skirmishes while insisting they were only retaliating.

India and Pakistan’s two top military officials are due to speak again on Monday...

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2600298/world

[thirtythree]

When all is said and done.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1910509/india-and-pakistan-just-came-back-from-the-brink-of-war-heres-how-it-unfolded

[grapevine]

Great article thirtythree, and also the accompanying article at the bottom of that link headed: "Why Modi keeps pushing India to the bring of war with Pakistan":
https://www.dawn.com/news/1909740/why-modi-keeps-pushing-india-to-the-brink-of-war-with-pakistan

[norman]

I've heard, from O Savin, that Trump offered both sides 'intel' about outside provocative interference that started the spat.

BAR lawyers probably represent the outside interferers more than they represent the truth.

It was those damn Brits again ?

[jaybee]

I've heard, from O Savin, that Trump offered both sides 'intel' about outside provocative interference that started the spat.

BAR lawyers probably represent the outside interferers more than they represent the truth.

It was those damn Brits again ?


Hence what Trump said in his tweet - see #28 above for full content -

and I quote...'Congratulations to both countries on using Common Sense and Great Intelligence'

a little double meaning teaser from the maestro ...?..... :idea:

no one likes being played for a fool especially Alpha Males who lead countries and the Globalists working through MI6 and the CIA must have had that down to a fine art .....revealing the fiendish plot has saved many lives....

[thirtythree]

@Norman



https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/01/13/false-flag/

Something like this?