50 million people in the west are pathologically injured

[Bill Ryan]

Or maybe 100 million, or possibly far far more than that.

I wrote 'pathologically injured' in the title. That could have been much longer, in a more complete expression of what I meant to summarize. They're mentally and/or emotionally compromised and irrational by most measures. (Certainly spiritually so.) Quite a few, by some definitions, may even be 'insane' — or to coin a better term, 'un-sane'.

And many are in positions of power or authority, in banking, commerce, education, the military, and (of course) in government. (Pathologically damaged people are often competitive and ambitions and therefore rise in hierarchical ranks quite quickly.)

Some refer to the phenomenon as a 'mind virus', which may be fairly accurate in terms of its behavior: it's infectious, debilitating, hostile to others' well-being in many aspects, and it seems to protect itself fiercely against healing or cure.

I also mentioned 'the west', but while this is where it seems to me to be most visible, the phenomenon may be more endemic than that.

I've been thinking about this for a long time. I suspect everyone reading this will know what I'm seeking to describe. I'd like to discuss its causes and effects, and see if between us we can make a few predictions on what the future may hold for humanity.

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[Ernie Nemeth]

The problem for humanity is the many assumptions that we make in order to get through the day. So many aspects of our thinking are open-ended. Our understandings blur around the edges, and we are prone to circular thinking. So we have definitions that define other definitions and invent words that are synonymous even though their new meanings contradict the old. Through it all we come no closer to an understanding of reality.

Defining the unknown by using another unknown renders both meaningless.

Our problem is the inability to reconcile the finite with the infinite. And while we consider we live a life as a finite being, even our physical bodies rely on the infinite in so many different ways.


And here, in this thread, we will make the same error and make assumptions not based in reality. We will assume the pertinent parts, and we will make up the rest.


Insanity is the only possible outcome for those that cling to the temporal and wholly believe in their finite existence on this superficial level of reality.
Delusion is the outcome for those self-deluded.

This is not life, for the living never die.

'Mind virus' is a nice way of saying the above. We misuse the mind, then want to know where this interference is coming from. We have self-identified incorrectly, so our premise is in error - therefore, our assumptions are wrong.
But assume away, that's the fun of this make-believe world of ghosts and half-truths.

Go ahead, make it up, give us a doozy!

Blame someone else, something else for the problem - it certainly couldn't be your own fault - your current state is perfectly adjusted and capable of sanity.

Of all things, that much is patently obvious. Right?
Of course it is...

[Inversion]

Back in 2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_takeover_of_Fannie_Mae_and_Freddie_Mac) during the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage crisis one of the CEO's commented on the problem saying, "I would know about it." I don't think he was playing dumb or being evasive. Years ago, there was a lot of talk about Bill Gates wanting to depopulate. As a countermeasure he and his then wife Melinda gave and interview and she said this about the allegations, "I would know about it." Later he did another interview in Anderson Cooper as if a crisis management team suggested it. That's similar to the elite's minions saying, "Build back better." There does seem to be a hive mind at work. Tony (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117788-Tony-Rodrigues-talking-about-Space-Programs&p=1482431&viewfull=1#post1482431) Rodrigues claims that when he was off world the controllers wanted people who were mentally unstable or psychopaths because they wouldn't give in on any aspects of trade negotiations.

12/19/20 (1:53) Bill Gates is in the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkcaeaD45MY

[Arcturian108]

There are many sources of this pathology that I have discovered over the years. In the West, we have almost no knowledge of, or access to, the unseen forces all around us, from disturbed elementals, which come in the form of air, earth, water, and fire, to full-on demonic creatures who can possess a human for life. Usually the elementals have been displaced from their natural habitats by human activity, and they take their vengeance out on humans as a result. They attach to a person's aura, and cause brain fog (air); being stuck (earth); emotionality (water), and anger (fire). Unless a person is aware of this attack, the situation can go on for years unchecked.

[grapevine]

The following short video doesn't explain why many of these people are in positions of power, but it does tell us why we behave in certain ways and find it difficult to change, even though we think we're behaving in a rational manner.

But can any of us recognise ourselves in these scenarios? :laughs:

The common factor between the people in positions of power is "birds of a feather flock togoether", an old saying but an apt one. There's no longer room for decent people in these positions which has been apparent for a long time, and not just because of social media either. When these people first thought only in terms of profit there was no hope, and unfortunately it seems to have caught on, like the virus in Bill's post.

Behavioral Magnetics | Why We Ruin Good Things

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySqH_7VVdos (12:04)

Just adding a comment from under the YT video as a carrot for clicking on the YT link:
"This is the most in depth breakdown of why 90% of people are in therapy in 12 minutes. This was excellent".

[shaberon]

This may have been understated.


What's called "the West" is a contagious pathological mental disorder.

Having "power" has nothing to do with it; the symptom affects everyone, minus a small minority who have managed to shield themselves from it.

It's from the "floor up" as much as the "top down".

Ergo, the ones in power have a mix of ready volunteers, and essentially disabled non-resistors.

It's not a form of "excusable differences of opinion", but a complete break from anything acceptable whatsoever. In terms of sheer political aggression, that may be the belief of a minority, perhaps 50 million or so, but considering all aspects of the deficiency, I would estimate it as a significant majority, 70-80%, wherever I have been.

[Patient]

There are many good posts here, but I am not sure if we are following Bill's lead post as to how he meant it. (So maybe Bill can come back and comment. Maybe he meant it to be an open thought?)

I guess I took it along the lines from the changes we saw after the "jab", as I see that this has continued to run it's course. Over the past couple of years I have dealt with a lot of the same people and I have seen many of them having a mental decline of sorts. Memory issues, major changes in emotional states on the fly. Stuff like that.

I am having a somewhat "oh well" kind of reaction to it all. Because really - I don't know what to do other than to "roll with the punches" so to speak. If I was younger, I might feel differently, however I am worried for my own kids as they will have to deal with this much longer than I will.

On a personal note, I have had quite a few weird and/or odd things occur. This is another topic of course - one that I would elaborate on if I can find the right thread. I am not sure I have enough to start one. One thing that stands out is that I have been hearing voices in my head (not like "one that hears voices") but things that make sense. For example, hearing my name being called (and knowing that it is only in my head) to get my attention when a person came to our house. We don't have a doorbell and I had the music up loud and I would not have heard the knock on the door. However, he hadn't yet knocked. I thought that was kinda cool when it happened. :)

[ZenBaller]

I feel that this is a global phenomenon throughout history. It's the average human state. It's part of the challenges we have to face to evolve spiritually, in terms of consciousness.

The huge difference nowadays is that it's becoming extremely apparent due to the internet and social media. In a way, this is a step forward. It was hidden and normalized for centuries. Now it's finally revelaed.

[Patient]

There are many sources of this pathology that I have discovered over the years. In the West, we have almost no knowledge of, or access to, the unseen forces all around us, from disturbed elementals, which come in the form of air, earth, water, and fire, to full-on demonic creatures who can possess a human for life. Usually the elementals have been displaced from their natural habitats by human activity, and they take their vengeance out on humans as a result. They attach to a person's aura, and cause brain fog (air); being stuck (earth); emotionality (water), and anger (fire). Unless a person is aware of this attack, the situation can go on for years unchecked.

I think that the unseen forces that interact with Humans have increased. I don't think that it is just because we are able to see it and share on the internet - I think whatever "veil" or force that has kept them at bay is weakening. Or perhaps more people are just susceptible to them and that allows them to gain access to more people.

[Patient]

I feel that this is a global phenomenon throughout history. It's the average human state. It's part of the challenges we have to face to evolve spiritually, in terms of consciousness.

The huge difference nowadays is that it's becoming extremely apparent due to the internet and social media. In a way, this is a step forward. It was hidden and normalized for centuries. Now it's finally revelaed.

I agree that we do seem to be at a state of spiritual evolution and it is either getting stronger or speeding up. (Or as you point out with social media it may just appear to be speeding up.)

[Satori]

I understand Bill’s post to mean, not that there are psychopaths and sociopaths who injure others, but rather there are people who have been injured in pathological way. For instance, when a person dies or even is injured, the cause of death or injury is determined in a forensic sense by a pathologist. To me that is a pathological injury.

[Bill Ryan]

I understand Bill’s post to mean, not that there are psychopaths and sociopaths who injure others, but rather there are people who have been injured in pathological way. For instance, when a person dies or even is injured, the cause of death or injury is determined in a forensic sense by a pathologist. To me that is a pathological injury.I had some trouble forming what I felt was a concise thread title. :) (Maybe I should try for a better one!)

I was referring to mental and emotional 'injury', meaning experiences, social/family environment, and/or education that leads to instability, irrationality or worse. I had in mind this Collins dictionary definition:

(https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/pathological)~~~
You describe a person or their behavior as pathological when they behave in an extreme and unacceptable way, and have very powerful feelings that they cannot control. Example: He experiences chronic, almost pathological jealousy.

[Jaak]

I think our environment has a lot to do with it . People are not living as they are meant to be living.
The ¨outside world¨ (physical) vs the ¨inner world¨ (spiritual).
In the modern world materialism is the king , cash rules everything. Hard to evolve spiritually when evolving your soul is ridiculed or in some cases you might get in serious trouble for it .
One of the reasons why i dont have a high opinion about desert religions (judaism,christianity,islam) that are heavily inclined to materialism . Be a good lamb/obedient slave and you will get all kinds of materialistic pleasures and wealth in the afterlife (all them virgins and to live in a place made out of gold and gems) ...
And the main reason that they see themselves not part of nature but something different. Im more inclined to shamanism/tengrism that has been native to the region where i come from for thousands of years. Balance with everything is the key and everything you do must have a reason behind it and it all certainly have consequences for your soul and the material world around you .
I also believe in reincarnation, not because it is convenient but because of my out of body experiences and basic laws of physic where energy can neither be created or destroyed ,only transformed.
If people took that as reality then maybe they would take more care of the environment where they will be reincarnating back. But these days it seems people have attitude that whatever comes after me , i dont care.
In our old Taara religion it was pretty simple. For example if it came to cutting down a tree then there had to be a reason for it (you want to build a boat or a house or make some space for farmland etc). Then you go explain that reason to the tree , ask forgiveness for doing it and then plant couple trees somewhere else to make up for cutting down the tree .
And i think if everybody lived like this the world would be a better place because people these days are doing all kinds of nonsense without a care or thought what will be the outcome or why they are even doing it. To get attention or get some materialistic wealth etc... But we live in conditions where this bad behaviour pays , and getting more wealthy means you live more comfortable physically while going in the opposite direction spiritually . And from that people will get depression/pressure in the soul because there are problems in their inner world or the inner world is not in balance with outside world . And these days our ¨outside world¨ is a pure nonsense in many ways and i think its almost impossible to be in harmony with it with your soul.
Anybody who tries to live in a way that is good for their spirit most likely wont be doing well in this modern environment and will end up living under the bridge or as an hermit far away from others in the nature.
I think people are not meant to live in gigantic cities but rather in family farms or in villages like in the old days. Close to the nature with a loving community where people are not competing for survival but help each other out.
Modern life has turned into competition while it certainly doesnt need to be one .

Bill asks what the future might be. When things are going as they are now then it is going to get worse because as much as i have looked around then pretty much everywhere on this planet people are pushed into big cities and the life on the country side is being made more difficult or eradicated. People need to be close to nature and part of nature because thats how it is . Anybody who has grown food or taken care of any kind of life to prosper probably would agree.
Thats just my opinion ,feel free to disagree .

[Patient]

But we live in conditions where this bad behaviour pays , and getting more wealthy means you live more comfortable physically while going in the opposite direction spiritually . And from that people will get depression/pressure in the soul because there are problems in their inner world or the inner world is not in balance with outside world . And these days our ¨outside world¨ is a pure nonsense in many ways and i think its almost impossible to be in harmony with it with your soul.
Anybody who tries to live in a way that is good for their spirit most likely wont be doing well in this modern environment and will end up living under the bridge or as an hermit far away from others in the nature.


I agree with just about everything you said, but the quote I chose to respond to really caught my attention. Our family has always lived rural - away from a large city. Our work has always been within the large cities and very much needs to be in order for us to make enough money for our family. I have never felt that we have a home where we are happy enough to want to stay forever as a home further out into the country has always been more attractive.

It is like we are trying to live in two worlds. And I feel bad for my kids as they try to navigate through their lives as I see them stepping out into the city but always eager to return home. I could see that this in itself could cause mental and emotional injury.

I wouldn't be surprised to see each of them finding a job that they can do online so that they can just go into the city when they so choose.

[onawah]

I wouldn't limit widespread pathology to the West, by any means.
For example, the Chinese people have been so manipulated and brainwashed by the CCP's propaganda that I suspect they are probably now the most pathological on the planet. See:
Beijing Loses Control! Revenge & Riots Sweep China
Secret In China
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Program content:
0:00 Intro
1:01 Pushed to Desperation with Nothing Left to Lose! Bloody Massacres and Random Revenge Attacks Sweep Across China. All of society is like a powder keg ready to explode.
Beijing is under strict lockdown, as if preparing for the end of the world; even empty lunch boxes, plastic bags, and keys must now be scanned.
11:40 Yiwu, the World’s Supermarket, Faces Collapse Amid Tariffs: Exports Plummet 70%, 15,000 Logistics Firms at Risk of Being Wiped Out.
17:12 No Way Out! With "Origin Laundering" Blocked, China Can No Longer Evade Tariffs, Leaving Businesses in a Dilemma.
22:19 Putin-Xi Meeting: A Test of Each Other’s Cards! Who Will Master the U.S.-China-Russia Geopolitical Chessboard?
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Also see:
Oppression Ignites Wave of Citizen Revenge Bombings on Corrupt Officials!
Secret In China
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May 8, 2025
Program content:
0:00 Intro
0:59 Fueled by discontent over oppression, Chinese citizens are rising up through revenge bombings, with officials’ homes exploding one after another. The CCP’s brutal rule is triggering a tsunami of regime collapse.
7:12 Abusing power to bully ordinary citizens has become a habit for CCP officials. Every region is a powder keg, just waiting for a spark to set it off.
14:33 China’s Economic Data Suddenly Disappears, Hiding a Crisis Beyond Salvage Through Falsified Figures. The CCP Has Reached a Dead End.
21:25 A Crucial Signal: Xi Jinping can't hold on anymore, and the CCP regime is on the defensive.
26:16 U.S.-China Tariff War Intensifies: Senior Officials to Meet in Switzerland.
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...Although the current inevitable unrest and outbreaks of violence could also be viewed (ironically) as a sign of health, hopefully leading to the downfall of the CCP and the development of a much more humane form of government. The impact of the new tariffs may very well hasten that process.

The impact of environmental factors on human (as well as animal) physiology and psychology should never be underestimated, not just from pollutants both chemical and electromagnetic, but also the current diminishing geomagnetism of the planet as the current 12,000 year solar cycle and pole reversal proceeds.

[Patient]

China makes me sad. Of course, there are many hidden problems and horrible things that are going on in many countries (some not hidden so well), but China having such a large population....it is hard to find the words.

...and Bill, you asked if we could make a few predictions for humanity. Given the problems that might arise due to the chemtrail issue, I see a future very similar to the movie/book Logan's Run. In about 30 years time, we might not have much of a choice except to move in that direction. Hopefully we'll find a way to reverse the problems from the chemtrails damages.

I can't imagine the affect that would have on people. The power struggles, control and the rebellion against it.

[Vangelo]

...
Behavioral Magnetics | Why We Ruin Good Things

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySqH_7VVdos (12:04)

Just adding a comment from under the YT video as a carrot for clicking on the YT link:
"This is the most in depth breakdown of why 90% of people are in therapy in 12 minutes. This was excellent".

Thank you grapevine, well worth the time. Every Chase Hughes video I have seen has been excellent.

[norman]

Atheism has always been rudderless and a happy hunting ground for evil entities to find confused fools looking for a meaning for their lives.

As the spiritual polarising effect intensifies, that happy hunting ground itself has been weaponised and utilised beyond passive inertia to become an evil pressure in itself. Over a thousand years of intellectual universities have given it tonnage and the last hundred years of ambient mortar boarded moral relativism have given it flailing cutting blades. A combination ready for a harvest.

How do we stand before such a Combine Harvester ?

As blades of corn grass, believing the injuries are accidental and preventable by churning out even smarter confused fools ?

Or by recognising the injurer and the injurer's evil genius ?

[leavesoftrees]

In BEELZebub’s tales to his grandson GI Gurdjieff says that this affects all humanity not just 50 million people. He explains it as the consequences of the organ Kundabuffer which was implanted in human beings millennia ago to prevent them from seeing the real purpose of their existence on planet Earth . Thee were unforeseen consequences of the organ Kundabuffer, which are egotism and an inability to be present as a unified single I rather than a collection of multiple I’s. However, it is possible to achieve a unified I and heal from this pathology.

[Victoria]

I think that we have a situation of mass infection/affliction; a parasitic life form proliferation. It goes hand in hand with what seems like the increasingly acknowledged concept that beings who are occasionally promoted as harmless ETs/aliens, might actually be spiritual entities empowered by our energies, conflicts and emotions. Some of these seek physical incarnation through infiltrating our own bodily vehicles as well as puppeting our leadership. They exert influence in order to control the ebb and flow of energies through individuals, communities and social structures. (This, gathered from years observing an apparent possession, and from personal reflection about numerous experiences)

It may include what some consider to be walk-ins. I have spoken with two such self-identified individuals who are actively seeking to create a "global movement" right now that proposes awakening human consciousness, yet they don't see any conflict of interest in taking over desperate or injured people's bodies and minds. They have approached me several times to request assistance in various ways and I cannot help but view the act of taking over someone else's body and mind, even (or especially) those who are on the verge of giving up, as stealing what isn't theirs and eliminating the rightful captain in the process. An act of utility for them is a question of hostility for us. While I see desperation as an indication of societal duress and victimization that needs healing, they see a beneficial opportunity for exchange of the vehicle.

To me, this is opportunistic parasitism. A predatory behavior toward those who have become injured from being battered by the ills of an unhealthy society and recoiling world. Individuals who have the life experiences that appear attractive for them to assume, are the same people who, when functioning optimally, would be of greatest help to our human world. The unusually cultured, the highly sensitive, those with tremendous heart for others and uncommon knowledge or experience. It leads me to ask: for these people who have encountered such tremendous hardship and suffering, has it been orchestrated as a targeted barrage in order to weaken their resolve and exploit them? Everything the two who have spoken with me espouse about global unity might sound good on the surface, but their method involves significant reprogramming which they seem to view as "deprogramming" and then letting go of identity, thereby allowing an unknown element or visitor to take over in the absence of the guard - what they perceive as false self. It gives a whole different vantage to, "You are special, you have been chosen."

I feel we share space with these and similar entities who can assume the roles/bodies of not just humans, but also animals. However, they predominantly have gravitated toward people who hold power or are in positions (and families) with influence...as a calculated and often invitational avenue to control earth life as we know it. It would appear that much of the control structure in the world is affected by this exchange. They seem to operate as a hive mind, in a concerted effort to sway human outcomes and behavior, which is easily visible when parroting stances and mantras on the stage of media exposure. These are then mimicked by swaths of the public. Elements of that same hive mind persuasion can be seen in an infiltrated civil society and supporters who are subjected to massive campaigns against truth and freedoms of expression; creating nonsensical inversions.

There is a reason psychopathy is embraced in upper branches of power. Psychopaths and narcissists have no conscience for their impact on others and are driven to carry out measures that most people would resist. There is also a reason for most leaders to be of certain family lines both due to loyalty and inherited characteristics that might energetically support inhabitation.

Psychopathy and desensitization seem to be on the rise. Cause and percentages of the population affected have been speculated by several researchers who cite modern culture as rewarding antisocial traits and eroding empathy, including Dr. Christopher Lasch, Martha Stout and Dr. Kevin Dutton who has mentioned society may be evolving to favor psychopathic traits. This, as more and more people are subjected to escalations in conflict, hardship and suffering around the world. Poor physical health, poor mental health and obfuscation of truth lower human defenses and resistance. These are desirable circumstances for any enemy who wishes mankind to be so weakened that we give up, or so misled and delusional that we invite the predator in.

It would seem this has gone on for millennia under variations of right to rule and the divine right of kings, but I think more recently and noticeably a drastic shift took place when the US government and military leaders made the strategic decision to put scientific edge, profit and control over the welfare of their people. That exchange allowed for the US public (and possibly other cooperative nations) to become an experimental testing ground. Under that umbrella of control and manipulation are all of the pharmaceutical and chemical companies which influence our food and drug legislation, who control production and trade as well as the institutes purportedly in place to guide human and animal health, agricultural practices and the studies of various research labs.

Clearly, more than one official thought this was a reasonable exchange and every effort has apparently been made to perpetuate, if not expand and solidify, the agreement. Nearly 80 years of policies written to protect and hide those interests and details are difficult to expose and disengage from. Whole sectors are almost built upon them.

The inordinate number of related special interests running the show, take advantage of public support and simultaneously widespread ignorance while co-opting grassroots campaigns meant to heal the ills of society and the world. This contributes to mass confusion. Confusion fosters further imbalance and a society that is effortlessly steered through people mistakenly supporting those who do not hold humanity's best interest. Young men and women with good intentions, kind hearts and good will for others can be easily misled and radicalized. They might revolt against truth because it is so hard to fathom having done wrong when they thought they were doing what is right. Sheer cognitive dissonance. These are psychological tactics inflicted on people the world over.

Imbalance of any kind which alters the mental state toward stupefaction and negativity can make individuals and progressively the bulk of society, more susceptible to being parasitized. So in a sick society, led by those who know well that they are unaccountable and rewarded for being corrupt, where there is a high amplitude of stressors (many of which are deliberately levied against the population) ranging from poisonous foods and toxic products, inhumane conditions and laws that limit public rights to enforcement efforts which create destabilization of core values and community undermining, average people succumb to deleterious thoughts, actions, habits and behaviors in order to cope. When more people turn to unhealthy ways, even done out of necessity, it becomes the norm instead of the exception. Small changes have had exponential impacts.

One of the first things to suffer under imbalance and psychological upheaval is the ability to see outside of self and to empathize or feel compassion for fellow creatures, including man. Without empathy we do not see or care when our own species is being brutalized or subjected to cruelty. Without empathy, crimes against humanity are rationalized away. Lack of empathy and disconnection are necessary to destroy a cohesive society and cloud human perception to what is happening, as it is happening. It dulls what should be an innate recognition of suffering in others and the need to react strongly or defend one another.

Higher echelons of society ritualistically take part in things that will predispose themselves and their families to being infiltrated. Practices allowing this go back quite a long way and tie in with bloodlines, not just by tradition, but apparently by physical/genetic ability to host certain beings. The difference between low and high levels of society being infected would seem to involve social position: as either an unwitting inhabited game piece on the board to sow chaos and further decline/susceptibility in human society or as an intentional bidirectional power play to garner control of the overall decline.

Because we are frequency beings, we tend toward being easily affected. Our mental states and emotions are highly sympathetic and transmissible. External influence of this aspect can allow exaggerated susceptibility to that infiltration which some see as a mind virus. Accompanied are almost always debilitating thoughts and self sabotaging behavior which proliferates negativity within entire social groups of people.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.
If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” It takes on a different light when considering the spiritual and unseen domain. Especially if one considers the potential of being preyed upon by generationally persistent and focused entities. These beings appear to have all the time in the world, though our lives and perspectives are fleeting. Decades and centuries for us are inconsequential to them...so we need to be transparent with one another, dedicated and determined in order to have any hope of regaining autonomy and sovereignty.

Lack of care and a growing sense of futility become a threat to our own welfare because they lead to an impediment in our ability to discern the threat and a propensity toward unhealthy decisions that harm both individuals and the species due to our interconnectedness. If in 1854, Thoreau was correct in stating, “The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation,” then we should seek wholeheartedly to turn this around and urgently empower humanity with a wealth of health, knowledge, purpose and resources.

The direction if we do not? Deleterious to all life here due to our range of capabilities to thoroughly upend natural order and technologically inflict harm, unless we can reroute despair, cultivate inspiration and compassion, build a healthy societal and earth environment, create a basis of optimal nutrition and physical health for all people to access, and eliminate as much strife in ourselves and fellow humans as is possible, so that everyone can see clearly what is happening or what is real, and feel a flow of concern and compassion in place of the present growing distress...so that we encourage one another to care enough to want to protect ourselves and our loved ones and to defend the creatures and people around us who need protection, or help. We have to take care of our fellow humans and seek to find unity as a species. Without this, any atrocity can occur with little push back or sense of clear direction in recourse.

We have to generate a healthy defensive reaction within us, which begins with knowledge. We cannot allow ourselves to enter or remain in a state where that has been traumatized out of us, if people and human society are to respond appropriately to any invasive policies or external threats.

Pathological illness in people of the west is a fact, but it is also amplified because of influence on the rest of the world's leadership and the scale or reach American media has beyond what anyone in the west would ever see from other countries and populations.

I think all of humanity is at stake and being predated upon, however, other cultures have a healthier dialogue and record of acknowledging spiritual conflicts, unseen forces and a willingness to discuss and analyze the origins of humanity. Americans, in particular, are hobbled by lack of exposure, lack of education and lack of historical reference to these topics.

[rgray222]

Throughout history, people have tried to get others to believe that there is a complexity and a certain amount of nuance to human behavior and morality, but in the end, it is extremely simple: there is good and there is evil. To some, that might be an oversimplification, but in reality, nothing could be further from the truth.

Also, one aspect of the human condition that is often overlooked when discussing man's beliefs, behaviors and actions is that we are souls having an intentional human experience. Our time on earth is an extremely intense one-semester class that ends in the blink of an eye. When you view the world through a more 'down-to-earth' (pun intended) lens, then it makes the pathologically injured appear to be necessary props for our human experience.

[Mari]

Throughout history, people have tried to get others to believe that there is a complexity and a certain amount of nuance to human behavior and morality, but in the end, it is extremely simple: there is good and there is evil. To some, that might be an oversimplification, but in reality, nothing could be further from the truth.

Also, one aspect of the human condition that is often overlooked when discussing man's beliefs, behaviors and actions is that we are souls having an intentional human experience. Our time on earth is an extremely intense one-semester class that ends in the blink of an eye. When you view the world through a more 'down-to-earth' (pun intended) lens, then it makes the pathologically injured appear to be necessary props for our human experience.



Absolutely are they necessary for our our human experience. We are spirit inhabiting a human body and we came down here this time - knowing full well (a bit of prepping before!) what would be awaiting us. We 'needed' to experience the Duality that (it is said) only exists on this planet. Nowhere else (it is said and I feel this as my truth) offers our souls the opportunity to evolve and if we're 'ready', we incarnate down the layers to this boot camp. To experience according to our personal blueprint.

What a perfect environment - a planet that was hijacked aeons ago by an evil archontic energy and is currently undergoing (well, they are trying!) an inversion of everything that we know to be Truth and of Goodness.

I feel that this is a plan - a Divine one, but a 'plan' that has to get increasingly turbulent to wake the sleeping masses. We are ALL, without exception 'pathologically injured' thanks to the deliberate lowering of Earth's vibrations in every aspect - architectural, educational, nutritional, medical, atmospheric etc.

Even the Musical scale has been altered to a lower frequency, with the churning out of a diatribe that passes for 'music' these days - one that leaves the sensitives (like yours truly) with a compulsion to slash the proverbial wrist. Go into any department store, any that are left ('The Range' in the UK is notorious for this....as I'm sure fellow Brits here will attest!) and the piped 'music' they churn out is a deliberate lowering of your vibration, no doubt about that. Its not a 'generational' thing either from this oldie, but as I have a good musical ear, it's unarguably blatant.

So, to truly simplify things, here's my personal take, in a nutshell: Earth/Gaia, originally a pristine entity, sank in her vibrations a very long time ago, due to an archontic takeover. She (a living entity in her own right) cried out for help, around a hundred-ish years ago, when we started to develop efficient ways of blowing her up. A universal spiritual 'call' went out for sufficiently evolved beings to incarnate here to help her get back on track. A massive undertaking, but one which we are well on the way to achieving. It will happen.
Some may say an oversimplification, but you know what, it does help me get through the day and I'm all for keeping things simple in these utterly confounding times. :wtf:

[Denise/Dizi]

Personal accountability, common sense, selflessness, hard work, integrity, honor, a balance "fair" to the whole.. all things this country (I speak about America).... needs to refocus on.

We need to stop allowing our education system get involved in family teachings of morality, ethics, social issues, and leave that to the family. We need to give the family back some TIME to raise their children versus to support an economy which is heavily inflated deliberately, and we need to get back to giving back to the nation that we love versus expecting it to support us.

It really boils down to accountability, and the last few generations have started (While deliberately guided to) a steep decline towards selfishness and lack of personal accountability.

And we need to regroup and get rid of those that are trying to take down America from the inside out. Spoiled individuals, manipulators, crooks, theives... All need to be addressed...

It isn't mental illness, it is deliberate manipulation from very powerful individuals with agendas, and it is presenting as insanity. It's a shame... I wish I knew the answer

[Isserley]

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to distance oneself from today and the whole internet era and look at the wider picture. For example, there are tribes in Africa - Tonga, Yao, Lomwe, whose part of the culture has been for a very many years a so called FGM (Female Genital Mutilation). Our problem is that this is not published on the Internet and social media to this extent as the "western" wokeism is.

It is enough to watch the Apocalypto movie and realize that not all the indigenous tribes are spiritual and live in accordance with God & nature.

For me, it takes only to remember how my grandparents lived in the first half of the 20th century - (such a life is best described in the autobiographical novel of Maxim Gorky - My Childhood). They lived in poverty, severe physical conditions and with cruel daily punishments from parents, grandparent or who ever comes along. That created the terrible traumas that were poured out to the next generations.
And again, they lived in nature from the land without any smartphones to document all the drama, only a few Maxim Gorky to write about it a decades later.

Not sure what I wanted to express exactly except that I did not like the title of this thread (again) the division the blame on who?, when the general archonic problem is on all sides of the world throughout the history of humanity.
I wonder how many people are pathologically injured in N.Korea or China - oh yes we have no idea as they do not have the internet or have only controled version of it so we are unable to discuss much about it.

[Bill Ryan]

Very many thanks, everyone, for all your responses. :flower:

I've been pondering all this since I started the thread. My briefest further thoughts:


Things have been far, far worse (i.e. more prejudiced, vindictive, irrational and brutal) in almost all other known historical times and places.



The human race is indeed gradually becoming more genuinely civilized, spiritual, and rational — but only in very small increments. This is dangerously outpaced by our exponential growth in technological prowess.



The thread Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114787-Why-humans-are-unintelligent-it-s-all-about-belief) has applied to almost all known human people since the dawn of time.



The waters are muddied nowadays because of the advent of the internet and the 24/7 news cycle, which barely existed even 30 years ago. This enables far more rapid and intense population-wide emotional and intellectual manipulation than there has ever been previously, while at the same time allowing for the possibility of a minority of people becoming genuinely well-informed in ways that support real thinking for oneself.



We have a LONG LONG way to go. It's possible we may never 'get there' if the human tendency for prejudice, vindictiveness, irrationality and brutality is too deeply hardwired.

[arwen]

It is my view that humanity was set back decades in evolution by the multi-faceted, vicious worldwide attack in 2020.

I happened to move to a different country about 2 years before that happened. People were friendly, cheerful, laughed, exchanged favors and friendship. Life was already tough but humans were humaning.

Then in 2020, humanity was attacked by Lockdowns, Masks, social distancing. A mere month after that, came the George Floyd thing where humans were told to stay locked down, but it was at the same time OK to go and burn, loot and riot for racial justice. Then came the jab, which many were forced to take to keep their jobs to feed their families.

In America came the contested 2020 election, and then J6. Worldwide, the cost of living doubled in a few years.

This brutal attack by governments and their handlers worldwide has forever altered the evolutionary track of humanity in my view.

The same people from when I first arrived - many died or were severely injured from the jab, and all friendliness and laughter has evaporated - people keep to themselves, are suspicious of each other, just struggling to survive. Others are aggressive and unhinged. And the young ones - who had to go through all this in their formative years, brutally psychologically attacked by their schools and the authorities - are permanently damaged, do not even know what it used to be like to be human - to be friendly, kind, and laugh.

Humanity's only fatal mistake in this era was that they trusted the authorities. Who are all now trying to move on as that never happened. The perpetrators and the authorities all acted without any consequence in this unprecedented attack on humanity.

That was a massive interference in peoples' natural timelines and evolutionary paths, and many had their lives ruined. One cannot sweep that under the carpet, it is a PIVOTAL factor in judging humanity.

On the spiritual side, a few spiritual workers have noticed significant spiritual damage from the jabs, which are not just a biological weapon, but a spiritual one as well. Rudolph Steiner predicted the development of vaccines to cut off humans from their spiritual selves. And Bernhard Guenther has done some really pioneering work in this regard:

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[onawah]

There are numerous posts in the "Vaccine Crimes" thread which outline in great detail just what the jabs have done and are doing to people, but it's so much to take in that the various discussions about what's happening to the human race also continue on numerous fronts, when really, it's very obvious once you bite the bullet.
Humanity is being turned into something very different; it's the transhumanist agenda that is manifesting so quickly that most people, even conspiracy theorists, often can't really grasp the reality.
But just one of the most recent posts there sums it up really well, and if you want to get up to speed, here's an excellent place to start, though it will take time and considerable focus.
And if you are still not convinced, I encourage you to look at the many articles with microscopy videos and photos of the blood of the jabbed on Dr. Ana Mihalcea's substack page: https://substack.com/@anamihalceamdphd... to see the nanotech in action, draining the energy from human cells and replicating.
(Then you also have to consider that the same nanotech is being distributed via chemtrails and who knows what other means to infect the air, food and water, so it's not just the jabbed who are affected, or those who have been shed on by the jabbed, and that's a much bigger bullet.)

Dr Astrid Stuckelberger: Synthetic Biology with Nanocircuits that Go with 5G
Forbidden.News
Apr 06, 2025
https://forbiddennews.substack.com/p/dr-astrid-stuckelberger-synthetic?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1658626&post_id=160693388&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=p7227&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

(Many links to other articles and videos in this article, too many Rumble videos to embed in one post, but the first one mentioned featuring Astrid Stuckleberger is at the end of this post.)
"FOR SOMETHING TO BE BIOLOGICAL, YOU NEED PHOSPHOROUS AND NITROGEN AND THEY FOUND NOTHING LIKE THAT IN ALL THE VIALS THEY SAW
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RUMBLE VIDEO (at the end of this post): "Dr Astrid Stuckelberger: Synthetic Biology with Nanocircuits that Go with 5G" - Pub. April 6, 2025

"This is a recent interview with Swiss Public Health expert, Dr Astrid Stuckelberger about the preoccupation with the term "mRNA" when defining in the ingredients of the jab, when mRNA is the least of it.

What we're dealing with is synthetic biology and nanocircuitry.

TRANSCRIPT

Dr Astrid Stuckelberger: And I want to answer to, you know, what is in the jab and what's going on with the 5G. You know, the question that Pascal said, "Ask Astrid, because it's very important."

I've been into one of the first ones who really read and said "There is oxide graphene". Some scientists in Spain, Professor [Pablo] Campra found, you know, massive oxide graphene in nanoparticle in the job in June 2021. And then, he made another report, final in November 2021.

And then, others made, like Professor Arne Burkhardt made very scientific, really in the lab of like a medical analysis of the jab. And he did, in front of lawyers. He said "This is a crime against humanity. Anybody jabbing this thing is –" it's Pfizer – it was Pfizer – "Is is a criminal."

And he found he confirmed oxide graphene. He confirmed parasites. He confirmed metal; chrome, nickel that should never be there or massively – nanoparticle. And then, he also confirmed there is a RFID-type of thing in there.

So he did a very interesting move. He took lawyers to say and to affirm.

Now, there are others. And it's very interesting, you know, how we go in a crime scene.

We have one more element, one more, some contradictory, some not. A lot of people are talking of "mRNA, mRNA. spike, mRNA," but they never really give the nature of this mRNA. And two scientists started to do the whistleblowing, Dr Nagase in Canada and Dr Monteverde.

And for me, that was a key to this crime scene. And they said that, "For something to be biological, you need phosphorous and nitrogen." And they found nothing like that in all the vials they saw.

And it was confirmed again, after. So, it's not biological. What is in this little vial is not biological! So what is it? It is synthetic nanotech. Yes. And and beyond maybe other things we don't know.

You see, I leave it open, because we are in such a crazy situation of evil that we have to be open, so that we can stop and treat people.

So now, in the scientific community where I speak a lot, you know, in conference, I show the graphic of first question. "Is it biological or not?"

It's not. It's synthetic. David Martin said "They should never have accepted those patents. They're all synthetic, not biological!"

Then, you you start explaining. But if you explain mRNA, you have to define if it is synthetic or not. You have to say, "Is it a nanorobot," and you call mRNA?

Or do you call mRNA the consequence of a causality – and the causality is something synthetic and like a robot, which I think that is.

The mRNA spike is only an effect or an element of this nanocircuit and nanotech, because it's not possible that spike protein is everywhere, in the body after an injection.

So it is the transporter for oxide graphene; is like a flying carpet. I've made a report on that "flying carpet".

And it's – you can put a genome, you can put a parasite, you can put a bacteria and you can code it. And it mimics the code of a molecule, because we have the codes of molecules with Dr [Jacques] Benveniste in France and Professor [Luc] Montagnier tried to steal all his findings and then he got killed.

You know, so we know that biocoding exists since 50 years, but it's become very sophisticated, now. And they can send this biocode to the oxide graphene...it can load the data, up to terahertz and it can send it. And so it is like a computer.

Bill Gates is perfectly suited to know, with his engineers to develop this with DARPA. So we know this, that this can take control of the mind and of the body. And I invite everybody who has not seen this fantastic video of Dr Charles Morgan of DARPA.

And he's teaching on YouTube, the military, how oxide graphene can take command of someone on the other side of Earth through Wi-Fi and it's called "Psycho-Neurobiology and War". I don't know if you've seen it?

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VIDEO: "Dr Charles Morgan on Psycho-Neurobiology and War" - Orig. Pub. June 15, 2018

Army Soldier: (Introducing Dr Morgan) Today, we have Dr Charles Morgan to talk to us about neuroscience and psychology and a whole gamut of things.

Right now, he is a Professor of National Security Studies at the University of New Haven. His focus is teaching National Security Studies, Domestic and International Intelligence Analysis and issues.

Dr Morgan is developing a concentration in the human aspects, intelligence analysis and Psychological Operations arenas, that are relevant to the Intelligence Community.

He has a pretty robust background, with military folks, doing research at Sears School, helping with selection processes for Special Operations Forces, down in Fort Bragg, etc. So, without further ado, I'll hand it over.

Dr Charles Morgan: So, what I would like to talk to you a little bit about today is something I was asked to do in 2010 and 2011. I was getting ready to leave, over at CIA, where I'd worked for a number of years.

And the Intelligence Science Board said, "Could you give us a brief on what's in store for us in the future?"

I was like, "I don't know. Predicting the future is really hard." So I told my boss at the time, I said, "Well, I think the best I'll do is make an estimate, over what I think is going to happen in the next five years," given certain technologies that were being developed at the time – and this is a bit of an extension of that – I present it to the SSG.

And it was some information I think some people didn't know. And I think it's good for people to be aware of what's going on out there.

The one thing that makes predicting a little bit of the future easier, when you look at biomedical science is that labs are working fairly systematically with overtly-stated goals.

But the really fun part was that you're taking over somebody else's physical body with the mind of another human. So what do you think would be the next step? You follow medical research: You say you can make a robot move. You can make a human hand move. What would you do next?

You say, "Wow, they're getting brains connected to run things." You have to begin to think either like doctors or like security and intelligence people, right?

Can you actually send and receive sensory information, like 'The Matrix'?

Dr [Craig] Venter's work is, in my view the equivalent of the development of nuclear weapons, when you realize that he created life in a cell, back in 2010. I don't know if people are familiar with his work, but this technology paired with something called CRISPR, which is like an editing software for genes, makes a number of things immediately available.

What he did is he programmed yeast cells to produce anything he wanted: They can produce perfume. They can produce petroleum. They can produce any peptide, anything we program the DNA to do and it's in the living cell.

So in medicine, the goal in medicine now is to be able to do designer medicine and therapy. If we can design a cell to get into your body and release the right product for you, you won't be losing half the drugs you take through your liver, when you swallow a pill and it gets digested.

These can be inserted into you through the hypospray needles, almost like Dr McCoy on Star Trek, getting the hypospray. It just blasts, now plasmids into your squamous cells. But Venter was able to do that and has the patent on the technology. But you can engineer anything.

You can engineer a thing that would only kill one person in the world.

VIDEO REPEATS:

You can engineer a thing that would only kill one person in the world.

It's how it's done. You put in a specific gene slicing. You program what you like. You put it in the cell and it can reproduce and make as much as you like.

Dr Astrid Stuckelberger: It's very interesting. When people are not convinced, I show them, "Go and see this and you will understand already a bit. Go and see the [CDC's] 'Pandemic Preparedness for Zombies'. You will understand.

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WHITE PAPER: "Preparedness 101: Zombie Pandemic" - Orig. Pub. in 2011 by the Centers for Disease Control
https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/6023

Go and see that the ID is in the body of people who are dead and even in the cemetery, you know:
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VIDEO: "Internet of Dead Bodies" - Pub. Jan 5, 2024 by ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.net
And go and see the autopsy that what they're taking out of the blood is something like catsup. But nobody's really describing it:
https://rumble.com/v45e3v0-internet-of-dead-bodies.html

VIDEO: "Embalmer Richard Hirschman Reveals Novel Clotting in 65% of Cases" - Pub. Feb 8, 2022 by ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.net
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/embalmer-richard-hirschman-reveals-novel-clotting-in-65-of-cases/

And I suspect they're afraid to say really what it is, because they don't know. Because, when there are two or three scientists who said something very interesting that goes with this AI science plasma, going around. It's that there is a parasite, as an egg:
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/critically-thinking-with-dr-carrie-madej-and-dr-christine-northrup-tentacled-organism-identified/

If you put it at the temperature of the body under microscope, it develops and the egg bursts out and..
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/shocking-dr-carrie-madej-releases-first-look-at-pfizer-vial-contents/

VIDEO: "SHOCKING: Dr. Carrie Madej Releases FIRST LOOK at Pfizer Vial Contents" - Pub. Oct 21, 2021 by ForbiddenKnowledgeTv.net
There's a lot to go and seek and to understand the causality of causality and not only talk of this mRNA! And I'm fed up of this mRNA! It's a messenger! It's a lot more!

I got censored in Stockholm in a conference because I said, "Go and look at the genome-editing document that WHO produced, because this is important."

But the cause of the cause is a synthetic injection with nanocircuits that go on with 5G. It's been evidenced by experts who recognized and did it, that it is a nanocircuit.

It's beyond what doctors know, what normal scientists know. And we have to get every engineer in – or veterans who have who know anything about nanoparticles and nanotech – to come and help us to understand what's going on, because we have to know how to detach this from the body and clean.

Sabrina Wallace gets into the latest detail of all of this, which I will cover in my next post, but here's a teaser:

"The cyber physical backbone with the IEEE was already in place in 2017. And Alison McDowell told you to write letters to the stakeholders, the people who pay their bills. You don't pay their bills – so, what do they care about your letters?!

Spartacus, March 25th, 2025: "It's a far more plausible scenario than people would think. AI don't have to run on computers alone. That's just one substrate. Biology is another substrate that AI can run on."

Yeah, human bodies make great antennas and the most powerful quantum computer is between your ears, said Our Divine Lady of the Red Phone.

DNA computers, lipid-based logic gates, chemical computation through receptor-ligand interactions, etc. 2006 paper entitled, "Towards Computing with Proteins". That's molecular communication, right now, today, and since 2014, commercially:
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WHITE PAPER: "Towards Computing with Proteins" - Pub. April 1, 2006 by PubMed
To quote the abstract:

"We discuss how to design protein molecules that would serve as the best computational element by functioning as a nanological gate, utilizing DNA tags for recognition, phosphorylation, exonuclease reactions for information processing."

You're a walking hard drive. DNA steganography. That's what I said."

ForbiddenNews Substack is a reader-supported publication.



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[Johnnycomelately]

Or maybe 100 million, or possibly far far more than that.

I wrote 'pathologically injured' in the title. That could have been much longer, in a more complete expression of what I meant to summarize. They're mentally and/or emotionally compromised and irrational by most measures. (Certainly spiritually so.) Quite a few, by some definitions, may even be 'insane' — or to coin a better term, 'un-sane'.

And many are in positions of power or authority, in banking, commerce, education, the military, and (of course) in government. (Pathologically damaged people are often competitive and ambitions and therefore rise in hierarchical ranks quite quickly.)

Some refer to the phenomenon as a 'mind virus', which may be fairly accurate in terms of its behavior: it's infectious, debilitating, hostile to others' well-being in many aspects, and it seems to protect itself fiercely against healing or cure.

I also mentioned 'the west', but while this is where it seems to me to be most visible, the phenomenon may be more endemic than that.

I've been thinking about this for a long time. I suspect everyone reading this will know what I'm seeking to describe. I'd like to discuss its causes and effects, and see if between us we can make a few predictions on what the future may hold for humanity.

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Not gonna quote Yogi Berra /Mark Twain, about the difficulty of predicting the future, but I’m game to try.

My prediction for the future, regarding this set of ~mind-viruses, is that we will see them in the rearview mirror, by and by.

This opinion is not just an expression of rebuttal to the dreadful thread premise of “looking for the worst”, I really think we will.

Groups of people have gone crazy, in the historical record, and yet we seem fine today.

No one expected the Inquisition, nor lots of other stuff. I get that conspiracies generally take a while to percolate, so can sometimes be seen in the making by keen observers, but has such an observer ever changed things/history? Or is this just an intellectual game?

[onawah]

There really can't be a comprehensive discussion about this without taking into account many factors, such as how vulnerable human beings are to negative entities, Archons, or demons--whatever you want to call them.
Though not to imply that negative entities may not be vastly different from one another, or that they all manifest in the same way.
The heading of negative entities can include regressive ETs, negative beings from other dimensions, troubled spirits of human beings who have passed but remain stuck on this plane in a non-material form, possibly even AI.
Human beings are not designed to be subject to all the toxic energies and frequencies that our current technologies are constantly emitting, which rather than helping with human evolution, in many ways I think are stalling it.
But Nature itself can also make human beings mentally unbalanced, such as with the current geomagnetic pole reversal process that is depeleting the protective planetary magnetosphere, thus admitting much more energy from the Sun and the cosmos than is normal.
It's clear that there are naturally caused cataclysms that occur in cycles, greatly reducing the population and necessitating a "restart", going back to a pre-industrial kind of paradigm.
It also seems clear that Gaia is due for a good long rest upcoming soon, as humanity has largely been failing to perform good stewardship of the planet.
Bill's OP is requesting that we discuss what might be humanity's future, and what I have surmised is that the population is going to be drastically reduced due to earth changes the solar cycles regularly cause, and most souls who are incarnate now on the planet will be going elsewhere.
I would not be surprised if this planet is fairly unique and a kind of experiment in that there are so many different races here and so many very different levels of soul evolution present at the same time, so many different cultures and religions, etc. all of which can only make living cooperatively much more difficult than if there were much less diversity (though no doubt also making it more interesting).
So to describe Earth as a "difficult school" also seems accurate, and one can logically conclude that even just maintaining a good level of sanity is difficult and is part of the overall lesson, especially in very challenging times such as these.
Though hopefully, the level of difficulty will decrease eventually as the cycle of the Kali Yuga is ending (or so we are told) and beginning is the ascent into an Age of greater Light.



Groups of people have gone crazy, in the historical record, and yet we seem fine today.
"Fine"-- in what way?

[syrwong]

There is one important element which is overlooked. The vaccine injured are probably also brain injured, since the spike protein or whatever poisons in the vile attack to brain predominantly. If the brain is physically injured or altered by the toxins, mental health is affected. There was a thread discussing personality change in the vaccinated or covid-infected. I believe it is very real. After almost three years, I observe people and some of my friends become more negative. They are easily angered, nervous, suicidal, distrustful, egoistic, mentally unstable etc. I think the personality change and as a whole the social personality change is unmistakable. This is like a demon creeping into the minds of the population without their awareness. I think this factor is related to this thread.

[onawah]

Not just brain damage, but damage to the entire being, as the self-replicating nanotechnology in the jabs (which is being distributed now ubiquitously via chemtrails as well) sucks the life out of the blood cells and interacts with technology outside of the body, such as 5G, which enables mind control.
Rudolf Steiner warned that the jabs serve to disconnect people from their spirits, which would certainly affect personality change and mental health.
The ability to reproduce is being drastically reduced as well, all part of the depopulation agenda.

There is one important element which is overlooked. The vaccine injured are probably also brain injured, since the spike protein or whatever poisons in the vile attack to brain predominantly. If the brain is physically injured or altered by the toxins, mental health is affected. There was a thread discussing personality change in the vaccinated or covid-infected. I believe it is very real. After almost three years, I observe people and some of my friends become more negative. They are easily angered, nervous, suicidal, distrustful, egoistic, mentally unstable etc. I think the personality change and as a whole the social personality change is unmistakable. This is like a demon creeping into the minds of the population without their awareness. I think this factor is related to this thread.

[arwen]

Thanks onawah - all important additions. The egregious assault on humanity goes way back of course, is definitely spiritual - inter-dimensional - and it is bizarre that it is still psychopaths and their sycophants still running the show through governments and corporations.

We also need to add how much that was potentially beneficial to humanity has been suppressed and hidden. Energy device creators killed, long trail of documented evidence of that. Anything beneficial to humanity was either co-opted or suppressed. And the MK Ultra and many other Projects to subdue humanity through mind control.

But in my view, the real killer, hardly ever discussed here on Avalon, was the Education systems of the world, deliberately dumbing down people, removing essential knowledge and skills from them, and crushing their creativity and special gifts. There is a huge body of research in pedagogy which used to impart critical thinking skills, and exposure to all kinds of knowledge which has been ACTIVELY and systematically deleted from the education systems all around the world. As a result, most average people are very unaware of so many things, and those that are more aware, inevitably end up being mere perpetuators and parrots of media propaganda, without any interest in listening to people themselves who are actually living a situation.

I was there when they changed to term at the United Nations - UNESCO - from "Information Literacy" - which imparted a whole series of valuable information analysis skills - to "Media Literacy", which was defined as only listening to Listed Approved Media sources without any critical inquiry. I could start a whole thread on that alone, it happens to be my area of expertise - but it would be a waste of time here.

I agree with you, a great cleanse will occur, naturally, the "stock" - humans - will be eliminated, the psychopaths will survive and re-emerge and set the whole thing up again in their favor, and the cycle will repeat. It could be different - easily - humanity could flourish and evolve and mature - without that Interference - but the Interference will never end because the Psychopaths have stolen all the knowledge, and all the resources, and that will never change.

"Just passing through, once" is a good approach. I know there are untold numbers of other Universes to play in, and I am looking very forward to moving to my next one when the time is right.

[shaberon]

One of the reasons why i dont have a high opinion about desert religions (judaism,christianity,islam) that are heavily inclined to materialism . Be a good lamb/obedient slave and you will get all kinds of materialistic pleasures and wealth in the afterlife (all them virgins and to live in a place made out of gold and gems) ...
And the main reason that they see themselves not part of nature but something different. Im more inclined to shamanism/tengrism that has been native to the region where i come from for thousands of years.


What you have criticized is the Abrahamic tradition.

Mongolia is a desert. It's not Abrahamic.

As Estonian, he's making a literal comment. Europe was practically totally converted to Abrahamism by violent means, except for the Baltic states. In particular, the Roman form was very different from Orthodoxy. They didn't actually usurp most local leadership. They extracted allegiance. What they did was to install Bishops, which thereby set up a central control over education, socialization, and basically all thought-related processes.

And I would say the term "religion" has no meaning outside of Abrahamism.

Other traditions are fundamentally not the same, opposite to the point where drawing a pie chart of the World's Eight Great Religions is thoroughly misleading.

The effects on society here are neurosis, which primarily is debilitative, but in some cases can lead to pathology or arises in conjunction with a pathological trauma. Mostly just a matter of degree. On a strictly clinical level, I would have to say this is widely and generally true, usually inseparable from predictable factors. Of course, the spread of discomfort and fear increases dependency, so this really snowballs.

[Johnnycomelately]

There really can't be a comprehensive discussion about this without taking into account many factors, such as how vulnerable human beings are to negative entities, Archons, or demons--whatever you want to call them.
Though not to imply that negative entities may not be vastly different from one another, or that they all manifest in the same way.
The heading of negative entities can include regressive ETs, negative beings from other dimensions, troubled spirits of human beings who have passed but remain stuck on this plane in a non-material form, possibly even AI.
Human beings are not designed to be subject to all the toxic energies and frequencies that our current technologies are constantly emitting, which rather than helping with human evolution, in many ways I think are stalling it.
But Nature itself can also make human beings mentally unbalanced, such as with the current geomagnetic pole reversal process that is depeleting the protective planetary magnetosphere, thus admitting much more energy from the Sun and the cosmos than is normal.
It's clear that there are naturally caused cataclysms that occur in cycles, greatly reducing the population and necessitating a "restart", going back to a pre-industrial kind of paradigm.
It also seems clear that Gaia is due for a good long rest upcoming soon, as humanity has largely been failing to perform good stewardship of the planet.
Bill's OP is requesting that we discuss what might be humanity's future, and what I have surmised is that the population is going to be drastically reduced due to earth changes the solar cycles regularly cause, and most souls who are incarnate now on the planet will be going elsewhere.
I would not be surprised if this planet is fairly unique and a kind of experiment in that there are so many different races here and so many very different levels of soul evolution present at the same time, so many different cultures and religions, etc. all of which can only make living cooperatively much more difficult than if there were much less diversity (though no doubt also making it more interesting).
So to describe Earth as a "difficult school" also seems accurate, and one can logically conclude that even just maintaining a good level of sanity is difficult and is part of the overall lesson, especially in very challenging times such as these.
Though hopefully, the level of difficulty will decrease eventually as the cycle of the Kali Yuga is ending (or so we are told) and beginning is the ascent into an Age of greater Light.



Groups of people have gone crazy, in the historical record, and yet we seem fine today.
"Fine"-- in what way?


Why? You got a favorite meaning of that word? What does it mean to you, before I bother answering?

Asking in hopes I can bring out my fav defender of that kind of righteousness.

Fellow old guy, and my countryman, he makes near as mean a cup of coffee as me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8osbvRvA_C8[/url]

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I remain optimistic. Though we've been abused, deceived, and manipulated; cheated, poisoned and beaten into submission to the very edge of insanity -- we will come out the other side intact, and the stronger for it.

For those like us who have knowledge [spiritual knowledge and the faith that comes with it] there should be no cause for despair. Even as bad as things may seem, there's always light at the end of the tunnel.

I read this extract just recently in the teachings of Silver Birch; I thought the timing most apt:


Your world is at a precarious stage of its evolution. It is almost seemingly a touch-and-go situation. You will come through. Pay no heed to the Cassandras, to the prophets and criers of woe.

The Great Spirit has placed a limit on the damage and harm that can be done by man in your world. There is no power in your world that is able to destroy the whole of it. There is no power that can kill the physical bodies of all who dwell on it. There is a limit to what man can do with the most complicated, efficient technological devices that he can invent.

The power of the spirit is stronger than any power of matter that can be produced. Matter is inferior to spirit. Spirit is king and matter is servant. Spirit is supreme, matter exists only because of spirit operating through it. When spirit withdraws, matter disintegrates. Spirit is the overruling power to ensure that you will come through.

Base your confidence on the knowledge which should be the foundation of all your philosophy. When you are confronted with situations where your present knowledge cannot help you, then add some faith to it, founded on what you know. Faith has its part to play when it is reasoned, logical and credible.

[onawah]

The following quote from the "You Must Laugh at Least Once a Day sums it up pretty well...(bold letters my emphasis)

Ah, but it's a balance, a yin and a yang, like the positive and negative charge of the ion, and we must learn to acknowledge and dance with both.



Groups of people have gone crazy, in the historical record, and yet we seem fine today.


"Fine"-- in what way?


Base your confidence on the knowledge which should be the foundation of all your philosophy. When you are confronted with situations where your present knowledge cannot help you, then add some faith to it, founded on what you know. Faith has its part to play when it is reasoned, logical and credible.[/COLOR][/INDENT]

Agreed! :nod:

[Denise/Dizi]

Applauds Onawah here for sharing again, the one issue people tend to sweep away as if it was a transient issue, when it was the beginning of an issue we will more than likely never be able to "Put back in the test tube"... and it will only grow now... (The issue).. Silently, while everyone browsed over it as if it was just a subtle bulletpoint that had no longevity... That mindset can only be dismissive and dangerous...

[norman]

Adding a little faith will do for now, in an emergency (maybe, I'm not sure about that) but eventually or hopefully, the penny will drop.


What love ISN'T, is a very long list.

As long as we continue to use love like a spoon full of sugar to sweeten poison, that list grows, until . . . . . .

[Ernie Nemeth]

Very many thanks, everyone, for all your responses. :flower:

I've been pondering all this since I started the thread. My briefest further thoughts:


Things have been far, far worse (i.e. more prejudiced, vindictive, irrational and brutal) in almost all other known historical times and places.



The human race is indeed gradually becoming more genuinely civilized, spiritual, and rational — but only in very small increments. This is dangerously outpaced by our exponential growth in technological prowess.



The thread Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114787-Why-humans-are-unintelligent-it-s-all-about-belief) has applied to almost all known human people since the dawn of time.



The waters are muddied nowadays because of the advent of the internet and the 24/7 news cycle, which barely existed even 30 years ago. This enables far more rapid and intense population-wide emotional and intellectual manipulation than there has ever been previously, while at the same time allowing for the possibility of a minority of people becoming genuinely well-informed in ways that support real thinking for oneself.



We have a LONG LONG way to go. It's possible we may never 'get there' if the human tendency for prejudice, vindictiveness, irrationality and brutality is too deeply hardwired.


Where are we going?
There is no goal from our perspective and, by our own current agency no one escapes.

My best argument is that in all of written history the human condition has been one of constant suffering, with the majority struggling to survive and accosted by perpetual violence and intolerance.
It has always been so.
Since it is still that way today we can safely assume it is an intentional outcome - this world is intended/designed to continue the saga of the great human never-ending struggle to satisfy an insatiable urge. It matters not what, just so long as there is an urge to accomplish something.

Since in the world of the finite nothing is ever finished, the urges just keep on driving the hunger. It is a bottomless pit of vituperative self-delusion for most, while a small few bask in the glory of ego-gratification that soon requires further ego-stroking because the glory always fades...


If we are crazy, it might just be a good sign. Because the one sure thing is this - the insane are unaware of their insanity.


Maybe we will soon wake up and realize it was all just a dream of our own making...

That realization can only come however, when the world of our dreams has turned into an intolerable nightmare from which we actually want to escape, and not just remould again in our most recent favoured image.


I haven't lived this life, I have watched it unfold and sometimes wondered about my decisions. Why did I do that, why didn't I do this? And I try and make sense of my life based on past experience.
As I have gotten older I have realized that my life has been perfect, with events transpiring exactly as they had to in order for me to arrive here just now as I am. It has been a cosmic dance of intricate perfection and my conscious participation was really not all that important (because what I would think is/was always what I would have to think given the circumstance).

Life here is a retrospective act. Life here is a thought form from the past. It is a dream that has ended. But the dreamer is not yet awake.

There is a life now, not here or there, not then or to be.
We are living it.
Wake up!