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seehas
15th May 2025, 02:10
This is the woman that took the work of our forum member "Casey Claar" and presented it as her own.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124112-Can-I-ask-a-favor-Someone-is-claiming-my-work-as-their-own
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Casey Claar
15th May 2025, 04:07
Seehas, what did you think of the interview?
Kryztian
15th May 2025, 19:52
Seehas, what did you think of the interview?
Forgive me for answering a question directed at someone else, but I have a big uncontrollable mouth. :bigsmile:
I briefly started to watch the video and had to turn it off. I thought - how could I possibly listen to someone who lies and steals as she most unquestionably has done as proven in this thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124112-Can-I-ask-a-favor-Someone-is-claiming-my-work-as-their-own)? There are so many other people out there who have similar stories, and these people seem to have a real sense of decency and integrity. Why would I ever listen to Beverli Rhodes if I wanted to know the truth? Perhaps she has stolen her entire story from the experiences and work of other people (which is clearly what she did to you Casey) or perhaps she really did have an experience but is embellishing it all for dramatic effect so that she can get whatever it is she wants to get from her dishonesty.
That is the question I find interesting, and the only reason I would watch her: to find out what motivates her fraud and dishonesty. The paranormal world is so filled with fakes and frauds, and they make it so hard for the rest of us trying to get out true information and authentic testimony out there, because people like her are trying to push their way into the limelight. Is it for the money? Beverli has had workshops and had, I think, written a book - is she just trying to make more money with her "story"? I think there must be much easier ways to make money that this. Frankly, I think it is just for the attention - she (I am speculating) has a deep psychological need for attention, to see herself out there telling a story and knowing that people are listening, gives her some type of fulfillment. Of course, many people enjoy getting attention and there is nothing wrong with that, until you need it so badly that you have to lie and steal (and she did steal you story, Casey, that is true beyond any doubt.)
With that I will end my comments on Ms. Rhodes and just say how grateful I am for Project Avalon and all the good debunking work there is that goes on here that he helped us debunk the fakes, frauds and phonies.
Casey Claar
15th May 2025, 21:23
Seehas, what did you think of the interview?
Forgive me for answering a question directed at someone else, but I have a big uncontrollable mouth. :bigsmile:
I briefly started to watch the video and had to turn it off. I thought - how could I possibly listen to someone who lies and steals as she most unquestionably has done as proven in this thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124112-Can-I-ask-a-favor-Someone-is-claiming-my-work-as-their-own)? There are so many other people out there who have similar stories, and these people seem to have a real sense of decency and integrity. Why would I ever listen to Beverli Rhodes if I wanted to know the truth? Perhaps she has stolen her entire story from the experiences and work of other people (which is clearly what she did to you Casey) or perhaps she really did have an experience but is embellishing it all for dramatic effect so that she can get whatever it is she wants to get from her dishonesty.
That is the question I find interesting, and the only reason I would watch her: to find out what motivates her fraud and dishonesty. The paranormal world is so filled with fakes and frauds, and they make it so hard for the rest of us trying to get out true information and authentic testimony out there, because people like her are trying to push their way into the limelight. Is it for the money? Beverli has had workshops and had, I think, written a book - is she just trying to make more money with her "story"? I think there must be much easier ways to make money that this. Frankly, I think it is just for the attention - she (I am speculating) has a deep psychological need for attention, to see herself out there telling a story and knowing that people are listening, gives her some type of fulfillment. Of course, many people enjoy getting attention and there is nothing wrong with that, until you need it so badly that you have to lie and steal (and she did steal you story, Casey, that is true beyond any doubt.)
With that I will end my comments on Ms. Rhodes and just say how grateful I am for Project Avalon and all the good debunking work there is that goes on here that he helped us debunk the fakes, frauds and phonies.
Oh please speak up anytime, Krystian, I directed that question to Seehas only because there were no other comments yet in the thread. Beverli is making the rounds on a lot of podcasts and those who are working with her, some of whom have been informed of what she did relative to my own work, CONTINUE to be happy working with her. This said, a number of people who contacted me, one of which was beginning to work more with her on projects were so taken aback by what she did with my work, CEASED moving forward with her. The more I listen to Beverli, which admittedly is not a lot, but I try to keep myself appraised - the more I feel she may have a kind of broken psyche. In the interview linked above it almost seems a kind of alter is speaking. And she does not seem to really say much, relative to the questions that are asked. I skipped through a lot, listening for a minute or two to gather the gist then skipping forward. The personality speaking is not one I had been familiar with prior. It seems almost a whole other persona. I try to wish Beverli well, the best I am able. I am still processing all that has happened, though. I will continue to work to improve.
Seehas, what did you think of the interview?
Forgive me for answering a question directed at someone else, but I have a big uncontrollable mouth. :bigsmile:
I briefly started to watch the video and had to turn it off. I thought - how could I possibly listen to someone who lies and steals as she most unquestionably has done as proven in this thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124112-Can-I-ask-a-favor-Someone-is-claiming-my-work-as-their-own)? There are so many other people out there who have similar stories, and these people seem to have a real sense of decency and integrity. Why would I ever listen to Beverli Rhodes if I wanted to know the truth? Perhaps she has stolen her entire story from the experiences and work of other people (which is clearly what she did to you Casey) or perhaps she really did have an experience but is embellishing it all for dramatic effect so that she can get whatever it is she wants to get from her dishonesty.
That is the question I find interesting, and the only reason I would watch her: to find out what motivates her fraud and dishonesty. The paranormal world is so filled with fakes and frauds, and they make it so hard for the rest of us trying to get out true information and authentic testimony out there, because people like her are trying to push their way into the limelight. Is it for the money? Beverli has had workshops and had, I think, written a book - is she just trying to make more money with her "story"? I think there must be much easier ways to make money that this. Frankly, I think it is just for the attention - she (I am speculating) has a deep psychological need for attention, to see herself out there telling a story and knowing that people are listening, gives her some type of fulfillment. Of course, many people enjoy getting attention and there is nothing wrong with that, until you need it so badly that you have to lie and steal (and she did steal you story, Casey, that is true beyond any doubt.)
With that I will end my comments on Ms. Rhodes and just say how grateful I am for Project Avalon and all the good debunking work there is that goes on here that he helped us debunk the fakes, frauds and phonies.
Oh please speak up anytime, Krystian, I directed that question to Seehas only because there were no other comments yet in the thread. Beverli is making the rounds on a lot of podcasts and those who are working with her, some of whom have been informed of what she did relative to my own work, CONTINUE to be happy working with her. This said, a number of people who contacted me, one of which was beginning to work more with her on projects were so taken aback by what she did with my work, CEASED moving forward with her. The more I listen to Beverli, which admittedly is not a lot, but I try to keep myself appraised - the more I feel she may have a kind of broken psyche. In the interview linked above it almost seems a kind of alter is speaking. And she does not seem to really say much, relative to the questions that are asked. I skipped through a lot, listening for a minute or two to gather the gist then skipping forward. The personality speaking is not one I had been familiar with prior. It seems almost a whole other persona. I try to wish Beverli well, the best I am able. I am still processing all that has happened, though. I will continue to work to improve.
Hey Casey, I only made it thru maybe 5 mins. I skipped around a bit and took in enough sound bites to get a general impression.
It's the same sort of vague, murky, cookie cutter story I've heard a million times...straight off the conveyor belt.
Beverli is like an automaton reciting a b-movie script. She actually reminded me quite a bit of Kamala Harris. There's just not much there. It's more like she's running on a program or something.
Casey Claar
16th May 2025, 22:43
Seehas, what did you think of the interview?
Forgive me for answering a question directed at someone else, but I have a big uncontrollable mouth. :bigsmile:
I briefly started to watch the video and had to turn it off. I thought - how could I possibly listen to someone who lies and steals as she most unquestionably has done as proven in this thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124112-Can-I-ask-a-favor-Someone-is-claiming-my-work-as-their-own)? There are so many other people out there who have similar stories, and these people seem to have a real sense of decency and integrity. Why would I ever listen to Beverli Rhodes if I wanted to know the truth? Perhaps she has stolen her entire story from the experiences and work of other people (which is clearly what she did to you Casey) or perhaps she really did have an experience but is embellishing it all for dramatic effect so that she can get whatever it is she wants to get from her dishonesty.
That is the question I find interesting, and the only reason I would watch her: to find out what motivates her fraud and dishonesty. The paranormal world is so filled with fakes and frauds, and they make it so hard for the rest of us trying to get out true information and authentic testimony out there, because people like her are trying to push their way into the limelight. Is it for the money? Beverli has had workshops and had, I think, written a book - is she just trying to make more money with her "story"? I think there must be much easier ways to make money that this. Frankly, I think it is just for the attention - she (I am speculating) has a deep psychological need for attention, to see herself out there telling a story and knowing that people are listening, gives her some type of fulfillment. Of course, many people enjoy getting attention and there is nothing wrong with that, until you need it so badly that you have to lie and steal (and she did steal you story, Casey, that is true beyond any doubt.)
With that I will end my comments on Ms. Rhodes and just say how grateful I am for Project Avalon and all the good debunking work there is that goes on here that he helped us debunk the fakes, frauds and phonies.
Oh please speak up anytime, Krystian, I directed that question to Seehas only because there were no other comments yet in the thread. Beverli is making the rounds on a lot of podcasts and those who are working with her, some of whom have been informed of what she did relative to my own work, CONTINUE to be happy working with her. This said, a number of people who contacted me, one of which was beginning to work more with her on projects were so taken aback by what she did with my work, CEASED moving forward with her. The more I listen to Beverli, which admittedly is not a lot, but I try to keep myself appraised - the more I feel she may have a kind of broken psyche. In the interview linked above it almost seems a kind of alter is speaking. And she does not seem to really say much, relative to the questions that are asked. I skipped through a lot, listening for a minute or two to gather the gist then skipping forward. The personality speaking is not one I had been familiar with prior. It seems almost a whole other persona. I try to wish Beverli well, the best I am able. I am still processing all that has happened, though. I will continue to work to improve.
Hey Casey, I only made it thru maybe 5 mins. I skipped around a bit and took in enough sound bites to get a general impression.
It's the same sort of vague, murky, cookie cutter story I've heard a million times...straight off the conveyor belt.
Beverli is like an automaton reciting a b-movie script. She actually reminded me quite a bit of Kamala Harris. There's just not much there. It's more like she's running on a program or something.
Thank you for the feedback here, Mike, yes that is the feeling exactly. I've noticed that Jeff Mara podcasts are increasingly more like this in general. Just cookie cutter questions of guests it does not seem he studies or even vets. Just the same ( often regurgitated ) story over and over. This is really not like how it is in reality. Everyone's process IS unique unto itself. IF they have delved into it and made useful and good observation. I wonder what others think of the Jeff Mara podcast as it exists now. I had barely discovered the podcast before I had to stop listening in due to the unresearched type interview style. My good friend Rob Gauthier was on again recently and HE is always genuine, deep and interestingly new every time I hear him speak. He is a channeler, Jeff's audience always rips him up. Even though he is, in my own estimation one of the best, in terms of skill, on the planet today. He has helped me pattern my awareness in a way that lets through a much improved level of understanding relative to the dimensions beyond our own. Anyway, lol, I am beginning to ramble.
Denise/Dizi
17th May 2025, 03:35
I am not very familir with your particular story Casey, what is it about your story that she has stolen?
Casey Claar
17th May 2025, 05:03
I am not very familir with your particular story Casey, what is it about your story that she has stolen?
Hi, Denise.. thank you for asking. In a brief nutshell, at the start of this year I discovered that a person (the one named in the title of this thread) who discovered me and my crystal contact work through the Project Camelot interview I did with Kerry years back, was taking my work (see here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124253-The-Work-of-Casey-Claar-The-Contact-Series-Preparing-the-Human-Central-Nervous-System-for-Contact)) and introducing it on sometimes very large known podcasts as her own. She parrots my own process the best she can, which through her is just gibberish and then shows my photographs saying that they are hers. I began a thread on that here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124112-Can-I-ask-a-favor-Someone-is-claiming-my-work-as-their-own), asking for help. Tintin put the full downloaded podcast (https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Various_(of_interest)/Casey_file/STAR_PEOPLE_%26_OFFWORLD_LIFE%2C_CRYSTAL_POWER_%26_PARANORMAL_REVIEW_-_AWAKEN_WITH_BEVERLI_RHODES_%231.mp4) in question in our library. Then, after no wrong-doing being acknowledged, no explanation or apology from this person felt I had better record and put out an official public statement (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjJyNLRH_A&t=1s). It has just been a lot of drama.
Denise/Dizi
17th May 2025, 15:08
Thank You Casey for explaining... I just wanted to make sure I understood the information that she was plagiarizing.. I wasn't sure if it was the images alone, or your entire body of work being shared freely with the public..Boy this woman is busy gathering up the work of others and claiming it was her own.
And Bill will like this, she even talks about "Jump Gates".. I believe a term Bill himself coined, to describe how people can essentially move from location to location using technologies.. There seems to be no end to her "Borrowing" anything and everything see reads, hears, or watches on the internet.
I spent a few moments lastnight looking into her. It didn't take long to find that facebook live video still active... and yes, your images are still being used, with your identifying markers blocked off. And yes, you can hear the man in the video asking for a moment to block the images...
Here is the link. You may want to ask facebook to have it removed if the pair refuses to do so.
https://www.facebook.com/shaunattwood1/videos/3475423779420976
3475423779420976
Because you signed those images, you may have a suit for intellectual property theft. The fact that they made a deliberate attempt to remove your identifying marks, speaks volumes about their knowing that they were taking something that didn't belong to them...
I wish you luck in getting ALL of it scrubbed. And hope others haven't begun to save and copy your works as a result..
Casey Claar
17th May 2025, 15:32
Thank You Casey for explaining... I just wanted to make sure I understood the information that she was plagiarizing.. I wasn't sure if it was the images alone, or your entire body of work being shared freely with the public..Boy this woman is busy gathering up the work of others and claiming it was her own.
And Bill will like this, she even talks about "Jump Gates".. I believe a term Bill himself coined, to describe how people can essentially move from location to location using technologies.. There seems to be no end to her "Borrowing" anything and everything see reads, hears, or watches on the internet.
I spent a few moments lastnight looking into her. It didn't take long to find that facebook live video still active... and yes, your images are still being used, with your identifying markers blocked off. And yes, you can hear the man in the video asking for a moment to block the images...
Here is the link. You may want to ask facebook to have it removed if the pair refuses to do so.
https://www.facebook.com/shaunattwood1/videos/3475423779420976
3475423779420976
Because you signed those images, you may have a suit for intellectual property theft. The fact that they made a deliberate attempt to remove your identifying marks, speaks volumes about their knowing that they were taking something that didn't belong to them...
I wish you luck in getting ALL of it scrubbed. And hope others haven't begun to save and copy your works as a result..
It surprises me to no end that they have left this upload onto Facebook active, due to the illegality of it. The mode I have chosen to address this issue by is an informative ( not legal-system ) one - simply informing the community, here and at large of the activity. We can see to ourselves, I feel, without use of the system. To your other point/question, yes Beverli is plagiarizing my whole process with crystal, at one point even having to almost comically search her memory for my use of an old iphone to capture the images for sharing purposes. I already have all my work out there and freely/unconditionally available to people. My issue with Beverli is that 1) she is claiming my work as her own, and 2) she is doing this in order to achieve monetary support from people -to "prove" her spiritual ability and fool them into employing her in other ways. That all this is being attached to my work is deeply hurtful. A subject for another day.
Victoria
17th May 2025, 16:13
Casey,
This person has a completely different energy- she knows what she is doing and is out to create or maintain a story and persona, a facade. Where you approach with a sort of innocence and equanimity, sharing what you find, it seems she has been cultivating and learning to manipulate energies for a while. She is a completely different character than yours and seems opposite of one who would be in contact with the beings that you are in the way that you are...she has created - and is in the process of painting- the picture she wishes people to see.
We all do to some lesser or greater extent...but is it with or without pretense? Some strive for balance and to let go of ego, others to inflate it.
I'm curious if and what your contacts have to say about this situation. Who she works with may be opposed to who you are in contact with?
At the most basic: someone who hasn't anything to hide or who is not intently steering people's opinion for a specific reception, but carries the information in a selfless/transparent way does not layer themselves in clothing and jewelry and make up, accessories and bold colors. When there is an important and honest message that you carry which is not for self, or so much to steer others as to share truth, one typically will come forward in a stripped down, naked way from how they customarily present. More humbled. As in, not for display, the self not above or before the material.
Some may not be able to approach it in that way due to their own programming, yes, but then it is in a more scaled back way, or uptight(?) self-restricted presentation from their usual so as to offer the information with a degree of respect for it, or for others. An appropriateness level at the subconscious line contingent upon the weight of the material. I'm making a mess of these words trying to describe what I mean to say.
I don't feel there is a "programmed" victim-type aspect of her emitting, though I can see why people would consider it because of the flagrant display, bold black/white/red, glitz and glam, sparkly things, white blonde, silver hair. I see her as craft.
She IS crafting...carrying out the visual program to imprint others and she looks like a stereotypical programmed individual, but is (intentionally?) carrying out that symbolism to an audience to impact them. The programmer. There is a reason- the same as when it is portrayed in the music industry or film She is being put out on view and gathering a following for a reason- I see craft. Sorry that sounds strange...it's all I can see when watching or listening to her.
What I get from this is that she is not programmed and unaware, so much as seeking to mislead those who are (and yes, it probably takes a programmed individual or one in some kind of a psychological hold, service to self vs. service to others, to be co opted to do so) deliberately seeking to create a persona and image that is not genuine in order to grab certain attention and reactions. I question an organization, human or otherwise, behind her doing so, especially going forward with her involvements and the information she chooses to present.
At bare minimum, she had multiple opportunities to correct the interviewer's words and the audience's inevitable interpretation. She did not. She did not offer any apology, formal and public, or private to you. Speaks volumes.
I recognize programmed individuals as having triggers and it appears (to me) that she is trying to trip the wire on those for others in order to garner specific support in a specific timeframe.
Oftentimes my other half will comment on how much information through personal experiences and descriptive scenarios we all put in to Avalon or online for others to see. He looks at it as a field day for someone wanting to write a script for a movie or book...
I'm sorry this happened to you, but thank you for addressing it in such a dignified and balanced way.. I think with the disclosure movement, and the individuals who are bringing recognition of the spiritual side to the masses, there is intense competition to control perception and the narrative. You took a hit in that, but your own intelligence, source and patience resound.
Casey Claar
17th May 2025, 23:31
Casey,
This person has a completely different energy- she knows what she is doing and is out to create or maintain a story and persona, a facade. Where you approach with a sort of innocence and equanimity, sharing what you find, it seems she has been cultivating and learning to manipulate energies for a while. She is a completely different character than yours and seems opposite of one who would be in contact with the beings that you are in the way that you are...she has created - and is in the process of painting- the picture she wishes people to see.
We all do to some lesser or greater extent...but is it with or without pretense? Some strive for balance and to let go of ego, others to inflate it.
I'm curious if and what your contacts have to say about this situation. Who she works with may be opposed to who you are in contact with?
At the most basic: someone who hasn't anything to hide or who is not intently steering people's opinion for a specific reception, but carries the information in a selfless/transparent way does not layer themselves in clothing and jewelry and make up, accessories and bold colors. When there is an important and honest message that you carry which is not for self, or so much to steer others as to share truth, one typically will come forward in a stripped down, naked way from how they customarily present. More humbled. As in, not for display, the self not above or before the material.
Some may not be able to approach it in that way due to their own programming, yes, but then it is in a more scaled back way, or uptight(?) self-restricted presentation from their usual so as to offer the information with a degree of respect for it, or for others. An appropriateness level at the subconscious line contingent upon the weight of the material. I'm making a mess of these words trying to describe what I mean to say.
I don't feel there is a "programmed" victim-type aspect of her emitting, though I can see why people would consider it because of the flagrant display, bold black/white/red, glitz and glam, sparkly things, white blonde, silver hair. I see her as craft.
She IS crafting...carrying out the visual program to imprint others and she looks like a stereotypical programmed individual, but is (intentionally?) carrying out that symbolism to an audience to impact them. The programmer. There is a reason- the same as when it is portrayed in the music industry or film She is being put out on view and gathering a following for a reason- I see craft. Sorry that sounds strange...it's all I can see when watching or listening to her.
What I get from this is that she is not programmed and unaware, so much as seeking to mislead those who are (and yes, it probably takes a programmed individual or one in some kind of a psychological hold, service to self vs. service to others, to be co opted to do so) deliberately seeking to create a persona and image that is not genuine in order to grab certain attention and reactions. I question an organization, human or otherwise, behind her doing so, especially going forward with her involvements and the information she chooses to present.
At bare minimum, she had multiple opportunities to correct the interviewer's words and the audience's inevitable interpretation. She did not. She did not offer any apology, formal and public, or private to you. Speaks volumes.
I recognize programmed individuals as having triggers and it appears (to me) that she is trying to trip the wire on those for others in order to garner specific support in a specific timeframe.
Oftentimes my other half will comment on how much information through personal experiences and descriptive scenarios we all put in to Avalon or online for others to see. He looks at it as a field day for someone wanting to write a script for a movie or book...
I'm sorry this happened to you, but thank you for addressing it in such a dignified and balanced way.. I think with the disclosure movement, and the individuals who are bringing recognition of the spiritual side to the masses, there is intense competition to control perception and the narrative. You took a hit in that, but your own intelligence, source and patience resound.
Victoria,
Thank you so much for adding your thoughts and feelings to all of this.
I had to giggle when reading the part about presenting in stripped down way from what is more usual because a person just doesn't get any more stripped down AS WHAT IS USUAL than myself. Neutral colors, never made-up, generally a small moonstone pendant around my neck. On a good day you could, if you reeeally tried get me to comb my hair rather than just bunch it up in a scrunchy at the nape. I have almost never even worn shoes. It is crazy fun how my life has near always accommodated this, lol. I present myself, when presenting the beings in black to blend myself into a black background- this is to help the beings themselves stand out. Yes, I would agree this is without doubt the best way. It is the beings who we are bringing forward (not myself). I have always preferred to blend into the background and go unseen. I am at my best as part of the environment. This is what my own programming, or perhaps more accurately "imperative" states. It has been important in this life. I can remember to this day, the moment I came alert to this imperative. My father had told me there was something about me that stood out to others. I have never experienced such panic in my life, and from the moment forward worked diligently to correct this. To be and appear as average in every way as I could. And generally plump, so others would, of their own accord, leave me alone. The template I have discovered I most often choose when incarnating is the warrior-monk. This life is no exception.
Regarding Beverli.. her main claim to fame, I found through a bit of research when all this first happened with her laying claim to my work - is being involved as a small child in sex trafficking (she now claims to find missing children). She appears to me to have fractures in her persona, whether this is from telling what is an untrue story (or stories), or the actuality of it/them I am not sure. I do not investigate the matter in any detail. I have a strong, quite decided aversion to drama. I cannot accept or condone it in any way. When I see or hear it I just want to stomp on it and get the focus back to fundamental reality as quickly and effectively as possible. When I do this in the situation with Beverli, what I am left with are simply the two of us - as consciousness. If I take away this story and what happened and just look directly at her as an evolving being I can only feel the bond one consciousness feels with another, send her love and thank her for everything she is learning, in just the way she is (were she to not, one of us, or I myself might be cast to it). I bow deeply to those who in themselves and in their choices allow for the necessity of "me" and those choices which are my own. At a certain juncture, beyond the duality, we all meet as one in the same energy again. This makes me smile. I look forward to experiencing it very much.
In the meanwhile, as the story might go, yes, Beverli's choice in regard to how she is misrepresenting it as her own - is quite negative.
I am unsure if this is her choice for this lifetime or if she has come away from her path.
I could possibly be of greater assistance to her if I knew.
If I wonder enough about it I will be shown. It will be made more clear.
Honestly, though, I do not spend much of any time on this.
Life is so busy already.
seehas
23rd May 2025, 00:31
Seehas, what did you think of the interview?
I apologize for my late reply, Casey.
My personal feelings about the interview are divided, partly because I am an abductee myself, and this happened to me when I was 5 years old.
When Beverli talks about her experiences, there seems to be no emotional connection, as if someone is talking about a book or a movie but not something you have experienced.
It is also a mystery to me how she can remember so many details if she experienced this at the age of 3, but this could be explained by regression hypnosis.
Like other interviews I have watched with this person so far, it leaves a rather strange taste.
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