Seeking Help: Late-1980s “Starfleet” Personnel Transfer List Found in Copy Shop—Have You Seen It?

[Samuel]

Hello everyone,

I’m hoping someone here can help me track down a very obscure piece of internet lore that I came across years ago. It might sound a bit strange, but I’ve been trying to dig up any leads on this ever since I first saw it—around the late 1980s, though I admit the date could be off by a few years.

**What I Remember:**

* The story began when someone went to a copy shop to make photocopies.
* Inside the copier tray, they found a few loose pages left behind by an unknown person.
* Those pages turned out to be a detailed personnel transfer list for what was called the “United States Starfleet.”
* The document included names, genders, ranks or positions, and other specifics for each individual.
* I believe it was formatted like an internal memo or briefing sheet—very “official”-looking.

**Why I’m Searching Now:**

* I recall reading someone’s blog or forum post describing exactly this scenario—but I’ve completely lost track of where.
* I’ve searched countless times for keywords like “Starfleet transfer list copier pages” and variations thereof, with no luck.
* It feels like a relic of early internet urban legends, but the level of detail in that post made it seem like someone had actually seen real documents.

**If You’ve Ever Seen or Heard of This:**

* Please reply with any links, blog names, forum threads, or even screenshots if you have them.
* Even vague recollections or alternate search terms would be incredibly helpful.
* If you’ve come across anything similar (e.g., loose military-style memos found in copy machines), that’s worth mentioning too!

I appreciate any pointers you can share. I know it’s a long shot, but I’d love to revisit that original post and learn more about whether it was an elaborate fiction, or something genuinely real.

Thank you in advance for your time and help!

[Bill Ryan]

I've not heard of any copy shop leak like that, but your account seems to match closely with what Gary McKinnon reported about ship-to-ship transfers.

Here's one link of many, easily found. This excerpt from an interview is from WIRED magazine, which is semi-mainstream:

https://www.wired.com/2006/06/ufo-hacker-tells-what-he-found

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My dialup 56K connection was very slow trying to download one of these picture files. As this was happening, I had remote control of their desktop, and by adjusting it to 4-bit color and low screen resolution, I was able to briefly see one of these pictures. It was a silvery, cigar-shaped object with geodesic spheres on either side. There were no visible seams or riveting.

There was no reference to the size of the object and the picture was taken presumably by a satellite looking down on it. The object didn't look manmade or anything like what we have created. Because I was using a Java application, I could only get a screenshot of the picture -- it did not go into my temporary internet files. At my crowning moment, someone at NASA discovered what I was doing and I was disconnected.

I also got access to Excel spreadsheets. One was titled "Non-Terrestrial Officers." It contained names and ranks of U.S. Air Force personnel who are not registered anywhere else. It also contained information about ship-to-ship transfers, but I've never seen the names of these ships noted anywhere else.

[Samuel]

Thank you, Bill. I knew Gary's story. I'm pretty sure the story I read before was not him. If I am lucky, maybe some day I can find it again. Thanks anyway!

[Samuel]

Hi, Bill, I just found the story I read before. Maybe you knew about it. Just leave the link down below.
https://bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_sociopol_mojave8.htm

[Helvetic]

Starfleet International: In the real world, Starfleet International is a fan organization for Star Trek enthusiasts, with local chapters named after starships, such as the U.S.S. Concord. These chapters engage in activities like conventions, charity events, and role-playing, which may explain the creation of such a roster as part of fan fiction or role-playing activities.

U.S.S. Concord in Star Trek Canon: The U.S.S. Concord is referenced in non-canonical sources, such as the Star Trek Online game, where it is a Concorde-class battlecruiser (NCC-47401), not NCC-1989, and operates in the 25th century. There is also a reference to a Republic Mark IV-class heavy cruiser named Concord (NCC-1607) in the Starfleet Universe wiki, but this does not align with the NCC-1989 registry. No canonical Star Trek source (TV series, films, or official novels) directly references a U.S.S. Concord with the NCC-1989 registry or this specific crew roster.

The crew roster for the U.S.S. Concord NCC-1989 appears to be a fan-created or speculative document, possibly originating from a Starfleet International fan group or a conspiracy-themed publication. The inclusion of real-world military personnel names, as claimed by Valerian and Andrews, suggests it might be an attempt to blend Star Trek fiction with real-world conspiracy theories, though no evidence supports such a connection in official Star Trek media. The lack of alignment with canonical Star Trek ship registries (e.g., NCC-1989 does not appear in official sources) further supports the likelihood that this is a non-canonical or fan-made artifact.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Bill, I just found the story I read before. Maybe you knew about it. Just leave the link down below.
https://bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_sociopol_mojave8.htm
THANKS, fascinating, and I do remember it now!! (I'm getting to the point after all these years where I really could truthfully say to someone much younger: "I've forgotten more about UFO research than you ever knew." :P)

It might have been in Val Valerian's massive research compilation MATRIX II, which I devoured way back in the early 1990s but no longer have as a paper copy. The contents make what most self-styled UFO researchers discuss nowadays look like they're naive beginners. (And it's the kind of thing that Richard Dolan and most others just ignore.)

UFO research, despite all the current hype and excitement about 'disclosure', has really been dumbed down.

Here's MATRIX II in the Avalon Library. It'll take a month to read and will make anyone's head spin. :) It's 700 US-letter sized pages, and the original was an inch-and-a-half thick.

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Valdemar%20Valerian%20-%20Matrix%20II%20(1991).pdf


Starfleet International: In the real world, Starfleet International is a fan organization for Star Trek enthusiasts, with local chapters named after starships, such as the U.S.S. Concord. These chapters engage in activities like conventions, charity events, and role-playing, which may explain the creation of such a roster as part of fan fiction or role-playing activities.

U.S.S. Concord in Star Trek Canon: The U.S.S. Concord is referenced in non-canonical sources, such as the Star Trek Online game, where it is a Concorde-class battlecruiser (NCC-47401), not NCC-1989, and operates in the 25th century. There is also a reference to a Republic Mark IV-class heavy cruiser named Concord (NCC-1607) in the Starfleet Universe wiki, but this does not align with the NCC-1989 registry. No canonical Star Trek source (TV series, films, or official novels) directly references a U.S.S. Concord with the NCC-1989 registry or this specific crew roster.

The crew roster for the U.S.S. Concord NCC-1989 appears to be a fan-created or speculative document, possibly originating from a Starfleet International fan group or a conspiracy-themed publication. The inclusion of real-world military personnel names, as claimed by Valerian and Andrews, suggests it might be an attempt to blend Star Trek fiction with real-world conspiracy theories, though no evidence supports such a connection in official Star Trek media. The lack of alignment with canonical Star Trek ship registries (e.g., NCC-1989 does not appear in official sources) further supports the likelihood that this is a non-canonical or fan-made artifact.Yes, the document raises some good questions. But do note, the text says:
The introduction goes on to state that those names which appear with an (x), are people who have actually been traced to the military.
I'd not dismiss this out of hand. I'm as sure as I can be that very large, advanced and classified interplanetary vessels have been test-flown and have been in service for maybe several decades now, as Lockheed Skunkworks CEO Ben Rich famously implied several times. And I'd totally trust Gary McKinnon's word regarding the document he said he saw that one time.

[Samuel]

Hi, Bill, I just found the story I read before. Maybe you knew about it. Just leave the link down below.
https://bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_sociopol_mojave8.htm
THANKS, fascinating, and I do remember it now!! (I'm getting to the point after all these years where I really could truthfully say to someone much younger: "I've forgotten more about UFO research than you ever knew." :P)

It might have been in Val Valerian's massive research compilation MATRIX II, which I devoured way back in the early 1990s but no longer have as a paper copy. The contents make what most self-styled UFO researchers discuss nowadays look like they're naive beginners. (And it's the kind of thing that Richard Dolan and most others just ignore.)

UFO research, despite all the current hype and excitement about 'disclosure', has really been dumbed down.

Here's MATRIX II in the Avalon Library. It'll take a month to read and will make anyone's head spin. :) It's 700 US-letter sized pages, and the original was an inch-and-a-half thick.

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Valdemar%20Valerian%20-%20Matrix%20II%20(1991).pdf


Starfleet International: In the real world, Starfleet International is a fan organization for Star Trek enthusiasts, with local chapters named after starships, such as the U.S.S. Concord. These chapters engage in activities like conventions, charity events, and role-playing, which may explain the creation of such a roster as part of fan fiction or role-playing activities.

U.S.S. Concord in Star Trek Canon: The U.S.S. Concord is referenced in non-canonical sources, such as the Star Trek Online game, where it is a Concorde-class battlecruiser (NCC-47401), not NCC-1989, and operates in the 25th century. There is also a reference to a Republic Mark IV-class heavy cruiser named Concord (NCC-1607) in the Starfleet Universe wiki, but this does not align with the NCC-1989 registry. No canonical Star Trek source (TV series, films, or official novels) directly references a U.S.S. Concord with the NCC-1989 registry or this specific crew roster.

The crew roster for the U.S.S. Concord NCC-1989 appears to be a fan-created or speculative document, possibly originating from a Starfleet International fan group or a conspiracy-themed publication. The inclusion of real-world military personnel names, as claimed by Valerian and Andrews, suggests it might be an attempt to blend Star Trek fiction with real-world conspiracy theories, though no evidence supports such a connection in official Star Trek media. The lack of alignment with canonical Star Trek ship registries (e.g., NCC-1989 does not appear in official sources) further supports the likelihood that this is a non-canonical or fan-made artifact.Yes, the document raises some good questions. But do note, the text says:
The introduction goes on to state that those names which appear with an (x), are people who have actually been traced to the military.
I'd not dismiss this out of hand. I'm as sure as I can be that very large, advanced and classified interplanetary vessels have been test-flown and have been in service for maybe several decades now, as Lockheed Skunkworks CEO Ben Rich famously implied several times. And I'd totally trust Gary McKinnon's word regarding the document he said he saw that one time.

Thank you, Bill