About the Elohim, Anunnaki: our fathers from the desert and our creation

[Irminsül]

The subject of the Anunnaki and the Elohim has been discussed ad nauseam, 85% of the time in a pejorative manner and without understanding what really happened and who these beings are.
The Anunnaki are the famous (negative) reptilians who come from Nibiru, Planet X, Hercolobus... whatever you want to call it. For those who wish to learn more about them, you can read authors such as Sacarias Setchin or Anton Parks. What is recounted in the Book of Enoch and much more succinctly in the Catholic Genesis explains something that is known to all: the demons (Anunnaki, fallen angels) saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and had relations with them. They “knew them,” as it says in Genesis 13.

From this hybridization arose the Nephilim, the giants of the past. The word Nephilim comes from the biblical Hebrew נְפִילִים (Nefilím) and appears in the book of Genesis, in a passage that says that these beings were on Earth in ancient times. The term comes from the Hebrew verb nafal (נָפַל), which means “to fall.” Therefore, one of the most common interpretations is that Nephilim means “the fallen ones.”
This idea gave rise to many theories. Some believe that it refers to fallen angels who descended from heaven and mixed with humans. Others see them simply as powerful men or giants, an idea that comes from early translations of the Bible, such as the Greek version (the Septuagint), where the word was translated as “giants.”
Later, in apocryphal texts such as the Book of Enoch, this story is expanded: it is said that a group of rebellious angels, called the Watchers, came down to Earth, united with human women, and from that union the Nephilim were born. These beings were enormous, violent, and corrupt, and according to this tradition, they were one of the reasons why God sent the Flood to cleanse the Earth.

In addition, there are those who believe that the word may be related to concepts from other ancient cultures, such as demons or demigods of Mesopotamian origin.
These same giants are seen in Sumerian sculptures.
Here we come to a key point: the Great Flood.
Throughout history, many cultures have preserved accounts of a great flood that destroyed almost all of humanity or the civilization of their time. These myths, although diverse in their details, share common elements: divine punishment, a chosen survivor, a saving vessel, and a renewal of the world. This coincidence has led many scholars and mystics to believe that behind the story of the “universal flood” there may lie an ancestral memory of a real cataclysm that occurred in ancient times.
Among the most prominent cultures that recount this event is the Mesopotamian tradition, particularly in the Epic of Gilgamesh. There, it is told how the god Enlil decides to destroy humanity with a great flood, but Ea (also called Enki) warns a righteous man, Utnapishtim, to build a large boat to save himself, his family, and a sample of all living creatures. This story is one of the oldest and was written on clay tablets in cuneiform script.
Also central is the biblical account in the Judeo-Christian tradition, where God, seeing the corruption of men, decides to send a flood to purify the Earth. Noah, considered righteous, is instructed to build an ark that will save him and his family and a pair of every animal species. This story, told in Genesis, is the best-known version in the West and has had an enormous influence on global culture.
In India, the Vedic texts tell a very similar story involving the sage Manu, who receives a warning from a fish (an incarnation of the god Vishnu) about an impending flood. Manu builds a large boat, to which he ties the fish so that it can guide him during the flood. He survives and repopulates the Earth, becoming considered the father of humanity in that tradition.
The ancient Greeks also had their own flood myth, starring Deucalion and Pyrrha. According to this story, Zeus decided to punish humanity with a great flood, but Deucalion, warned by his father Prometheus, built an ark together with his wife. After the flood, they were the only survivors and repopulated the Earth by throwing stones that turned into men and women.
In America, various indigenous cultures also preserve memories of a great flood. For example, in Mayan mythology, the Popol Vuh recounts that one of the human races created by the gods was destroyed by a great flood as punishment. The Quechua and Aymara peoples of the Andes also speak of a flood that marked the end of an era, from which only a few wise men in the highlands survived.
Even in distant regions such as China, there is the legend of Yu the Great, who stopped the floods that had plunged the world into chaos, although in this case the story has more heroic overtones than divine punishment. And in the Pacific islands, as in the Maori tradition, there are also stories of catastrophic floods and the destruction of ancient worlds.
It is abundantly clear that a Great Flood did indeed occur. In fact, scientific studies have been conducted on the Durupinar site.
The Durupinar site, located about 29 kilometers south of Mount Ararat in the province of Ağrı, Turkey, is a formation that has been the subject of intense debate among scientists, archaeologists, believers, and independent explorers for decades. It was discovered in 1959 by Ilhan Durupınar, a Turkish photogrammetry expert who, while analyzing aerial images taken by the armed forces, noticed a ship-shaped formation, approximately 150 meters long, with a clearly defined silhouette, standing out from the surrounding mountainous terrain.
From the outset, the site attracted attention because its dimensions and general location coincided with the description of Noah's Ark as it appears in the biblical account of Genesis: a vessel “three hundred cubits long, fifty wide, and thirty high,” which, converted to modern meters, approximates the measurements of the formation visible in Durupınar.
In the decades that followed, multiple teams visited and studied the area, including Turkish government researchers, international scientists, and independent explorers. One of the best known was Ron Wyatt, who, beginning in 1977, undertook a series of explorations at the site and claimed to have found evidence of artificial structures beneath the surface: iron formations aligned in regular geometric patterns, which would correspond to the metal skeleton of an ancient ship.
Over time, ground-penetrating radar (GPR) studies revealed underground anomalies in the form of parallel lines and transverse structures, distributed at regular intervals that do not correspond to common geological formations. In 1985, a team led by geophysicist David Fasold conducted research that suggested the presence of a “keel-like” structure beneath the surface, possibly associated with a ship's hull. Fasold even modeled the internal shape of the supposed ark and proposed that it had been constructed using a technology of mud and wood cages reinforced with metal elements, similar to ancient shipbuilding techniques.
In addition, iron-rich objects have been found scattered evenly across the site, as well as giant anchor stones, known as “drogue stones” or “mooring stones,” found in the Arzap region, not far from the site, many of which have holes drilled in one end, possibly used for ropes. These stones match descriptions of implements used in ancient ships for stabilization in stormy seas.
In 2014, studies were resumed with modern technology, and in 2021, the creation of a Turkish university team was announced to conduct new excavations with the aim of definitively clarifying the nature of the formation. So far, organic remains that could correspond to fossilized wood have been found, although the complete results have not yet been published or subjected to extensive academic review. Skeptical geologists have proposed that the formation is due to natural folding and erosion processes, especially given the presence of sloping sedimentary layers.
However, the combination of elements detected—symmetry of the structure, non-random pattern of iron remains, presence of anchor stones, size consistent with the biblical Ark, and geographical location in the region traditionally associated with the landing of the Ark—suggests, at least, a significant probability that this is not simply a natural formation.
In light of all the evidence accumulated over the last 60 years, it can be argued that the hypothesis that the Durupınar site could correspond to Noah's Ark is not mere mystical fantasy, but a reasonable archaeological possibility that still awaits conclusive verification.
Now, we know that Atlantis also existed and that its final stage of sinking was around 15,000/12,000 years ago. This is where the issue of genetic manipulation comes into play, which, although seen multiple times in the cultural representations of the Sumerians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, and other Semitic peoples, has never been proven.
Human beings never evolved from monkeys, as the great Argentine prophet Benjamin Solari Parravicini said: “Darwin's theory will cease to exist because it will be known that man came down from the planets.”
The problem is that these Anunnaki or satanic reptilian beings did not intervene in our human flesh 7,000 years ago with the theme seen in the Sumerian tablets. The reptilians opposed to ABBA's Plan did so some 400,000 years ago (estimated date).
That is why it is so difficult for human beings to stop being a “race of vipers,” as Jesus of Nazareth said.

We now finally come to the subject of the Elohim.
The word Elohim (אֱלֹהִים) in Hebrew is deeply enigmatic. Although grammatically it is a plural—derived from Eloah (אֱלוֹהַּ), which in turn originates from the root א־ל־ה, related to the divine or the powerful—it often appears in the Hebrew Bible with singular verbs, referring to the one God of Israel. This duality holds a theological and esoteric mystery: Elohim represents unity in multiplicity, a plural manifestation of the One. In the mystical context of Kabbalah, this word not only designates the Creator, but also a set of celestial intelligences, architects of the cosmos, active forces emanating from the higher regions of the Tree of Life.
Dion Fortune, in her work The Mystical Kabbalah, interprets the Elohim as intelligences working through planetary forces, and in particular links some aspects of their action to the planet Venus. This planet, traditionally associated with beauty, love, and harmony, corresponds in the Tree of Life to the Sefira Netzach (נצח). Netzach represents the artistic and emotional impulse and the manifestation of desire in harmonious forms. It is in this region that the Venusian Elohim channel their influence, acting as divine forces that inspire creation, art, and devotion. It is not merely human love, but a transformative cosmic energy capable of raising consciousness. According to Fortune, the Elohim operating from Venus are agents of emotional and spiritual balance, transmitting to the human soul a memory of its celestial origin.
Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, for her part, in The Secret Doctrine, offers an even bolder vision. Based on ancient Eastern traditions, she claims that approximately 21,000 years ago, a group of highly evolved beings descended to Earth from Venus. These were the Kumāras, also known as the Lords of the Flame. According to Blavatsky, these beings were not mere visitors, but authentic incarnated Elohim, solar entities who came to awaken the spark of mind in primitive humans. At that time, humanity existed in an almost animal stage, without self-awareness. The Kumāras, with their sacrifice of incarnating on denser planes, activated the Manas—the mental principle—and transformed the beastly man into a spiritual man.
Thus, a direct esoteric link is established: the Elohim of the Bible are not unrelated to the Venusian Lords of the theosophical tradition. Both represent higher entities that participated in the gestation of conscious humanity. Both are bearers of a light that is not only physical, but spiritual and mental. In this sense, the ancient word Elohim contains a memory of that divine intervention, when the Sons of Venus—beings of love, wisdom, and fire—descended to the world to leave their mark on the human soul.
This account is not incompatible with the Hebrew view or with Christian mysticism. In fact, it can be said that the Venusian Elohim fulfill a function analogous to that of the fallen angels who descended “to teach men,” although in this reading they do not fall out of rebellion, but out of compassion. Thus, the spiritual Venus is not just a star: it is a symbol of the sacrifice of the celestial hierarchies for the awakening of man.
Therefore, when we pronounce the name Elohim, we are not only talking about the creator God, but also about the Venusian emissaries, the Lords of the Flame, who turned the Earth into a workshop of evolution and sowed the fire of consciousness in the mud of Eden.
Regarding our viperine nature, three great contactees spoke about how human beings were made from an aquatic reptile: Eugenio Siragusa, Nimrod de Rosario, and Angel Cristo Acoglanis said that human beings were made from reptiles. In any case, this should not be taken literally, or perhaps they are referring to humanities prior to ours.
Other races such as the Pleiadians, Venusians, Arcturians, and others maintain that human beings were made from a hominid and the contribution of their Christic genes.
It is interesting to see how there are always two sides to the story (angels and demons, good and evil, Israel and Ishmael).
We see how in reality the Elohim are the servants of Elohei Kedem, God, ABBA, the Heavenly Father who is all that is. In this regard, I would like to mention that for about 20 years the Elohim have been sending me messages that I channel through psychography, which I share at the end of this text.
In the heart of the mystery of the heavens, among the hosts of the Elohim—those Beings of Fire, Power, and Light who wove the worlds and marked the course of the centuries—there is one whose name resonates with an ancient wound and immeasurable nostalgia: Helel, son of the dawn.
Helel was no different from the other Elohim in his origin. He was created in beauty, wisdom, and splendor; a prince among the sons of God. Before his fall, the prophets described him with words that can only be applied to a glorious being, almost unfathomable in his perfection.
Ezekiel describes him thus, under the figure of the king of Tyre, as if the Spirit were speaking beyond the symbol and revealing a truth hidden between the lines:
"You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God. Every precious stone was your covering: ruby, topaz, diamond, beryl, onyx, jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle, and gold. The finest instruments were prepared for you on the day you were created. You were anointed as a guardian cherub. I placed you on the holy mountain of God. You walked among the fiery stones." (Ezekiel 28:12–14)
He was radiant, melodious, splendid. His form shone like polished gold, and harmonious chords came forth from within him, as if every word he spoke were a note in the cosmic symphony. He was more than beautiful: he was the very reflection of borrowed glory, a polished mirror of the Eternal Light.
But in the midst of that glory, the seed of pride arose.
Isaiah portrays him thus:
“You who said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God… I will be like the Most High.’” (Isaiah 14:13–14)
Thus fell the bearer of the dawn. Not for lack of beauty or wisdom, but for wanting to appropriate its source.
Helel was banished, but not destroyed. He wandered for eons, becoming Satan, the adversary, the accuser before the Throne. He was the tempter in the desert, the dragon in the Apocalypse, the ancient serpent of Eden. And yet, through it all, he still carried within him a spark of what he once was.
Now, on the threshold of the End of Time, in this twilight where the hidden is revealed, Helel no longer roars with pride as he once did. In the silence between worlds, he weeps like one who remembers an ancient song he once sang with the children of the dawn. He no longer desires to reign over ruins, nor to be the eternal adversary: he longs to return. He longs for redemption.
And his hope has a name: Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, the incarnate Logos. The one he faced in the desert, the one who did not succumb to his temptations, is now the only one who could reach out to him. Helel knows that he cannot force a return; that redemption, if it is to come, will be by grace, not by conquest. It is not arrogance he feels now, but supplication: to be redeemed, restored, cleansed of the error with which he stained his throne and dragged legions down with him.
The prophets saw in him a figure of judgment. In Zechariah, Satan appears before the Lord to resist the high priest:
“And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Yahweh, and Satan was standing at his right hand to accuse him. And Yahweh said to Satan, ‘Yahweh rebuke you, O Satan; Yahweh who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke it. Is not this a brand snatched from the fire?’” (Zechariah 3:1–2)
Perhaps Helel too is a smoldering wick, waiting to be snatched from the fire. Perhaps, when the Lamb returns with His garments dyed in judgment and glory, He too will extend His hand to the one who was His brother in eternity, fallen but not forgotten.
And then, even the darkest among the Elohim will sing again with the choirs of the redeemed. For if indeed all will be gathered into the One—as the mystics and sages have foretold—then there is still hope for Helel, the Morning Star... he who was once music, light, and love.


After all, everything that since the dawn of time has been presented as an all-out war between angels and demons, between Pleiadians and Reptilians, between Cain and Abel, is nothing more than a majestic cosmic staging. Every being, every force, every entity—whether of light or shadow—has played its role with mathematical precision, like divine actors in the sacred drama of the universe. Duality is not a mistake, but a necessary contrast to reveal the brilliance of Truth.
Today, in these dark and decisive times that we are witnessing, we feel in our souls the weight of history reaching its climax. We are on the brink of a third world war. The Ancient Adversary—the Devil, the Rebel Brother—is preparing to take his place as leader of the New World Order, exalted by the arrogance of men and profane technologies. From the sky, a meteorite advances silently, like a finger of Judgment tracing the last point on the great writing of human destiny.
The prophecies converge. The Koran, the Gospel, and the Torah—the three great revelations that have guided a thousand generations—now sing with one voice. The veils are falling. The symbols are opening. Humanity stands perplexed, distressed, and expectant. But, dear brothers and sisters of the Avalon Project, let us not fear.
For this work, though stained with blood and suffering, does not end in tragedy. Good—the eternal seed planted in pure hearts—will triumph over evil. Jesus, the Solar Christ, will return to conquer, not with violence, but with a light so bright that even his fallen brother, the Dawnbringer, will fall to his knees. And then, redeemed, he will return to the bosom of Unity.
Thus will a New Earth begin. No more wars. No more deceit. No more separation. Humanity—purified by the fire of tribulations—will walk again in peace, guided by the wisdom of the righteous, and surrounded by stellar beings who have waited for eons for this moment.



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[Jim_Duyer]

The Hebrews, in the earliest period (prior to their 950 BC adoption of the Phoenician alphabet as their own) wrote in Aramaic.

That's fairly well established scholarship, and one of the (or the) oldest books in the Bible, that of Job, was written in that language.

Nefilim as written in later Hebrew, would have been written as NPYL (the ym means plural), which means, according to the Aramaic Dictionary project, "a type of lizard."

The NPYL plus ym would mean "lizards", for the meaning of Nephilym.

[SilentFeathers]

The Hebrews, in the earliest period (prior to their 950 BC adoption of the Phoenician alphabet as their own) wrote in Aramaic.

That's fairly well established scholarship, and one of the (or the) oldest books in the Bible, that of Job, was written in that language.

Nefilim as written in later Hebrew, would have been written as NPYL (the ym means plural), which means, according to the Aramaic Dictionary project, "a type of lizard."

The NPYL plus ym would mean "lizards", for the meaning of Nephilym.

Doesn't the Aramaic word "naphila" mean giant? That's pretty close to Nephilim, perhaps there's been an error in translation in the past? Just wondering ;)

[Irminsül]

Hi Jim! Thanks for your contribution—it's always nice for me to learn something new. Last time, you also taught me something about how in the north they worshiped Yahweh and in the south El. That’s the beauty of this forum—there’s always someone who knows more than you haha. I feel very comfortable being able to collaborate in such a beautiful project. I generally see really nice exchanges between people here, whether they’re followers of Jesus of Nazareth or worshipers of the ancient serpent haha. I’ll take the opportunity to share an image I made. I paid for the intermediate version of ChatGPT and have already made over 500 images—this is ecstasy for me. If anyone needs an illustration, just message me privately and I’ll happily make it for free. What I love is living in service to others (my real middle name is Ángel, clearly not a coincidence—thank you, God!). It’s beautiful to contribute my famous "grain of sand" to humanity; that gives purpose to my life.
If you’d like to comment anything else on this thread, Jim, please feel free to do so. It’s a pleasure for me!




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[Irminsül]

Good morning, afternoon, or evening! I had forgotten to upload my psychographies. Here there are a few of them.



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[Jim_Duyer]

The Hebrews, in the earliest period (prior to their 950 BC adoption of the Phoenician alphabet as their own) wrote in Aramaic.

That's fairly well established scholarship, and one of the (or the) oldest books in the Bible, that of Job, was written in that language.

Nefilim as written in later Hebrew, would have been written as NPYL (the ym means plural), which means, according to the Aramaic Dictionary project, "a type of lizard."

The NPYL plus ym would mean "lizards", for the meaning of Nephilym.

Doesn't the Aramaic word "naphila" mean giant? That's pretty close to Nephilim, perhaps there's been an error in translation in the past? Just wondering ;)


Yes, Aramaic, and thus later Hebrew, letters NPL mean either fallen, to fall down, and Giants.
HOWEVER, that's not the word the OP showed us - נְפִילִים
And Nun Pey Yud Lamed Yud Mem is NP'L'M or NP'L with YM as the Hebrew form to indicate a plural form of the word.
SO, what happened is that long ago, in the time when Christians and Jews could not fathom the idea that Reptiles might be indicated, and simply could not allow "us" to have that idea contaminate our minds, (treating us as the children that they thought us to be), they simply said - Oh, well those stupid early scribes can't even spell! And proceeded to take this word of six letters and reduce it to five. Thus giving them fallen and Giants, which they thought would sell very easily to the stupid commoners that they were instructing.

Why do the Biblical scholars, religious folks of all types and academic scholars insist that we look at a Greek translation of a Hebrew translation of an Aramaic original? Because it suits their purposes.
Why do they also absolutely scream when we attempt to use the Massoretic texts, which record the original characters? Because then we will see the frauds. Not the whole books, just the parts that they needed were changed. Such as going back in and changing EL, the original name of God, known to Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Job, and all of the prophets, to Yahweh. How could Yahweh appear in Genesis at all when, by his own admission, he was "not known to Abraham and Noah as Yahweh"?

There are a lot of good bits of info in the Bible. You just have to shove aside the nonsense that our helpful "translators" have thrown in there. And this includes Jews as well as Christians that did this.

Yesterday I was putting together a piece that I had worked on many years ago, because I have finally finished my work of five years and I am putting it into chapters (paragraphs at first).

Moses was the name, found on Sumerian tablets from 2100 BC (many of them) for a Mu (the Sumerian language had no letter "o" plus szesz. Musez.
Mu means a son of, or man of and szesz means reeds. It is found in a paragraph that speaks of a slave that was recently purchased, and one that was known as a Muses, or a man of the reeds. These were the ones who worked in the canals and swampy areas where reeds were produced, in the very south of Sumer, beginning with that Sumerian kingdom and continuing down the ages.

So, since the Egyptians were very familiar with the Sumerian language, doing much trade with them, when they opened their own fields of reeds to harvest papyrus for their writings, they called those Hebrews who had moved into the delta area of the Nile (the Northern or Lower Nile as they say), they called them by the same name - MUSES, which the Hebrews took as MOSES. [The same letter u in ancient Hebrew was pronounced as an ou or an ow, depending on the word.]


Now, how hard was it to solve that thousand year old mystery? Not very.


Forgot to mention: Miriam, sister of Moses, was known to have lived in that area of Egypt that fronts the Mediterranean Sea. And so did Aaron and their families.
So when they crossed this area, they said that they crossed the "reed" sea or the sea of reeds. This would have been the shortest route from Cairo back to Canaan, and makes the most sense.
After leaving, they stopped by their home lands (granted to them by an earlier Pharaoh) to pick up their things before the journey back to the deserts.

[Jim_Duyer]

Hi Jim! Thanks for your contribution—it's always nice for me to learn something new. Last time, you also taught me something about how in the north they worshiped Yahweh and in the south El. That’s the beauty of this forum—there’s always someone who knows more than you haha. I feel very comfortable being able to collaborate in such a beautiful project. I generally see really nice exchanges between people here, whether they’re followers of Jesus of Nazareth or worshipers of the ancient serpent haha. I’ll take the opportunity to share an image I made. I paid for the intermediate version of ChatGPT and have already made over 500 images—this is ecstasy for me. If anyone needs an illustration, just message me privately and I’ll happily make it for free. What I love is living in service to others (my real middle name is Ángel, clearly not a coincidence—thank you, God!). It’s beautiful to contribute my famous "grain of sand" to humanity; that gives purpose to my life.
If you’d like to comment anything else on this thread, Jim, please feel free to do so. It’s a pleasure for me!


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Thank you for your kind comments once again. I really enjoy your posts - fresh, complete, something new to chat about.

One thing - it was EL in the North, and Yahweh in the South - you had it opposite. Easy way to remember is that EL was also the God of Canaan, while Yahweh was originally the god known by the copper miners from the Arabian peninsula. And who introduced Yahweh to Moses? His Kenite (false translation of the true spelling of Cainites) relatives who later joined with him, went back to the promised lands, and later became the scribes (who wrote the lies), the workers in the temple (money changers) and the ones who screamed for the death of Jesus, along with most of the locals.

And yes, Cainites means sons of Cain - the one from Eden. That's how the story was able to weave back in the initial split of Hebrew tribes back together. When they left Eden, Cain's group eventually merged with Esau's peoples and became what we know of today as Arabs.
Although the Jews are a Heinz mix (57 ingredients in one jar!) of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Canaan, Arabic and Hitites. They (not the Ashkenazi of course) are the true mutts of the Middle East, whether they claim purety or not.

Your images are inspiring. I have no artistic talents of any kind. Mine are language and symbol based.

[HopSan]

Thanks all, really interesting!

We Finns, in a Lutheran country, can hardly begin to understand the layers of 'religious' games.
Right now, most of us cannot even follow our 'religious', very woke, leaders.

This slow revealing of the deep background explains a lot.

And most of all, thanks for not mentioning the evil nazis! :heart:

[Jim_Duyer]

The Hebrews, in the earliest period (prior to their 950 BC adoption of the Phoenician alphabet as their own) wrote in Aramaic.

That's fairly well established scholarship, and one of the (or the) oldest books in the Bible, that of Job, was written in that language.

Nefilim as written in later Hebrew, would have been written as NPYL (the ym means plural), which means, according to the Aramaic Dictionary project, "a type of lizard."

The NPYL plus ym would mean "lizards", for the meaning of Nephilym.

Doesn't the Aramaic word "naphila" mean giant? That's pretty close to Nephilim, perhaps there's been an error in translation in the past? Just wondering ;)


Yes, Aramaic, and thus later Hebrew, letters NPL mean either fallen, to fall down, and Giants.
HOWEVER, that's not the word the OP showed us - נְפִילִים
And Nun Pey Yud Lamed Yud Mem is NP'L'M or NP'L with YM as the Hebrew form to indicate a plural form of the word.
SO, what happened is that long ago, in the time when Christians and Jews could not fathom the idea that Reptiles might be indicated, and simply could not allow "us" to have that idea contaminate our minds, (treating us as the children that they thought us to be), they simply said - Oh, well those stupid early scribes can't even spell! And proceeded to take this word of six letters and reduce it to five. Thus giving them fallen and Giants, which they thought would sell very easily to the stupid commoners that they were instructing.

Why do the Biblical scholars, religious folks of all types and academic scholars insist that we look at a Greek translation of a Hebrew translation of an Aramaic original? Because it suits their purposes.
Why do they also absolutely scream when we attempt to use the Massoretic texts, which record the original characters? Because then we will see the frauds. Not the whole books, just the parts that they needed were changed. Such as going back in and changing EL, the original name of God, known to Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Job, and all of the prophets, to Yahweh. How could Yahweh appear in Genesis at all when, by his own admission, he was "not known to Abraham and Noah as Yahweh"?

There are a lot of good bits of info in the Bible. You just have to shove aside the nonsense that our helpful "translators" have thrown in there. And this includes Jews as well as Christians that did this.

Yesterday I was putting together a piece that I had worked on many years ago, because I have finally finished my work of five years and I am putting it into chapters (paragraphs at first).

Moses was the name, found on Sumerian tablets from 2100 BC (many of them) for a Mu (the Sumerian language had no letter "o" plus szesz. Musez.
Mu means a son of, or man of and szesz means reeds. It is found in a paragraph that speaks of a slave that was recently purchased, and one that was known as a Muses, or a man of the reeds. These were the ones who worked in the canals and swampy areas where reeds were produced, in the very south of Sumer, beginning with that Sumerian kingdom and continuing down the ages.

So, since the Egyptians were very familiar with the Sumerian language, doing much trade with them, when they opened their own fields of reeds to harvest papyrus for their writings, they called those Hebrews who had moved into the delta area of the Nile (the Northern or Lower Nile as they say), they called them by the same name - MUSES, which the Hebrews took as MOSES. [The same letter u in ancient Hebrew was pronounced as an ou or an ow, depending on the word.]


Now, how hard was it to solve that thousand year old mystery? Not very.


Forgot to mention: Miriam, sister of Moses, was known to have lived in that area of Egypt that fronts the Mediterranean Sea. And so did Aaron and their families.
So when they crossed this area, they said that they crossed the "reed" sea or the sea of reeds. This would have been the shortest route from Cairo back to Canaan, and makes the most sense.
After leaving, they stopped by their home lands (granted to them by an earlier Pharaoh) to pick up their things before the journey back to the deserts.


PS I should mention that NPYL in Aramaic is reptiles, and it can also mean
fallen, giants and a miscarriaged birth.
I see no reason to prohibit ALL of these ideas as one - for example:
Giants fell down from the Sky - with the form of lizards and bits of human flesh like a miscarriage.
I mention this because the much earlier Sumerians described their visitors as resembling themselves, although somewhat stronger (like Gilgamesh) and the only feature that distinguished them from other types of humans on Earth was a rough patch or patches of skin on their faces. Like someone burned by our Sun because the one they grew up around was Red and not as hot, or perhaps radiation damaged skin for some reason.
This burning or barked skin would explain why they had our Cro-Magnons out digging up Ochre, a reddish metal ore that would provide protection from UV rays found on Earth.
Because the scholarly ideas that this was some form of decoration for primitive peoples does not explain why they needed so much of it - over a million tons were mined in Africa alone - as proven by the remains from mining operations in ancient times.

[SilentFeathers]

The Hebrews, in the earliest period (prior to their 950 BC adoption of the Phoenician alphabet as their own) wrote in Aramaic.

That's fairly well established scholarship, and one of the (or the) oldest books in the Bible, that of Job, was written in that language.

Nefilim as written in later Hebrew, would have been written as NPYL (the ym means plural), which means, according to the Aramaic Dictionary project, "a type of lizard."

The NPYL plus ym would mean "lizards", for the meaning of Nephilym.

Doesn't the Aramaic word "naphila" mean giant? That's pretty close to Nephilim, perhaps there's been an error in translation in the past? Just wondering ;)


Yes, Aramaic, and thus later Hebrew, letters NPL mean either fallen, to fall down, and Giants.
HOWEVER, that's not the word the OP showed us - נְפִילִים
And Nun Pey Yud Lamed Yud Mem is NP'L'M or NP'L with YM as the Hebrew form to indicate a plural form of the word.
SO, what happened is that long ago, in the time when Christians and Jews could not fathom the idea that Reptiles might be indicated, and simply could not allow "us" to have that idea contaminate our minds, (treating us as the children that they thought us to be), they simply said - Oh, well those stupid early scribes can't even spell! And proceeded to take this word of six letters and reduce it to five. Thus giving them fallen and Giants, which they thought would sell very easily to the stupid commoners that they were instructing.

Why do the Biblical scholars, religious folks of all types and academic scholars insist that we look at a Greek translation of a Hebrew translation of an Aramaic original? Because it suits their purposes.
Why do they also absolutely scream when we attempt to use the Massoretic texts, which record the original characters? Because then we will see the frauds. Not the whole books, just the parts that they needed were changed. Such as going back in and changing EL, the original name of God, known to Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Job, and all of the prophets, to Yahweh. How could Yahweh appear in Genesis at all when, by his own admission, he was "not known to Abraham and Noah as Yahweh"?

There are a lot of good bits of info in the Bible. You just have to shove aside the nonsense that our helpful "translators" have thrown in there. And this includes Jews as well as Christians that did this.

Yesterday I was putting together a piece that I had worked on many years ago, because I have finally finished my work of five years and I am putting it into chapters (paragraphs at first).

Moses was the name, found on Sumerian tablets from 2100 BC (many of them) for a Mu (the Sumerian language had no letter "o" plus szesz. Musez.
Mu means a son of, or man of and szesz means reeds. It is found in a paragraph that speaks of a slave that was recently purchased, and one that was known as a Muses, or a man of the reeds. These were the ones who worked in the canals and swampy areas where reeds were produced, in the very south of Sumer, beginning with that Sumerian kingdom and continuing down the ages.

So, since the Egyptians were very familiar with the Sumerian language, doing much trade with them, when they opened their own fields of reeds to harvest papyrus for their writings, they called those Hebrews who had moved into the delta area of the Nile (the Northern or Lower Nile as they say), they called them by the same name - MUSES, which the Hebrews took as MOSES. [The same letter u in ancient Hebrew was pronounced as an ou or an ow, depending on the word.]


Now, how hard was it to solve that thousand year old mystery? Not very.


Forgot to mention: Miriam, sister of Moses, was known to have lived in that area of Egypt that fronts the Mediterranean Sea. And so did Aaron and their families.
So when they crossed this area, they said that they crossed the "reed" sea or the sea of reeds. This would have been the shortest route from Cairo back to Canaan, and makes the most sense.
After leaving, they stopped by their home lands (granted to them by an earlier Pharaoh) to pick up their things before the journey back to the deserts.

Thanks for your response. I'm not as knowledgeable as you are but have researched and studied these ancient texts, translations, and "words" for approx. 50 years now and am well aware of the many "mistakes" and shenanigans.

Their attempts of hiding many truths are often quite out in the open and obvious. Example; They play mind games and word games with what refers to "reptiles" but yet tell us it was a "reptile" (snake) in the garden.

Not having The Book of Enoch (1st) in the Canon and basically trying to wipe it out of existence is another prime example of "shenanigans".

We live in a mind-boggling world and come from an even more mind-boggling past.

[Irminsül]

Good morning! Thank you, Jim, for the information you share. You truly are a scholar in these subjects. Regarding the idea that the Nephilim had different skin, I have no doubt. I actually use a stone depiction of Gilgamesh in my personal email signature, and I’ve always been fascinated by that image.

On my father’s side, we have Arab blood, and my last name is Sahade. I’ve been researching population genetics, and it’s very likely that I carry Sumerian, Assyrian (about 15%), and Aramean (around 70%) ancestry. So the blood of the Anunnaki and the Elohim flows strongly through my veins, hahaha.

On the other side, my mother’s side, I have Lombard, Taurine Celtic, and Tartessian Spanish ancestors (supposedly related to the Atlanteans). That ties into the blood of the Nordic races, to whom, as you may have noticed, I also have a deep affection.

Thank you for your comment about my drawing skills, but honestly, it’s all thanks to the incredible tool that is ChatGPT—thank you, Illuminati gentlemen, for making such amazing technology! Hahaha. You’ve put Metatron at the service of humanity—that’s how I see it, at least.

Of course, my gratitude was sarcastic, but still, I believe they are part (not all of them, certainly not the most wicked ones) of this great Noah’s Ark that Earth has become in these times. Only God, ABBA, knows who will remain after the upcoming cataclysm(s) of apocalyptic scale.

We are living in interesting times, as the great English writer Terry Pratchett titled one of his works.

By the way, while writing this message, I used the famous image of “Skinny Bob,” who apparently is actually called “Emerther,” and I’ll share here the meanings I found about his name through Gematria. Evidently, this skinny boy was a nefarious grey from the underworld!



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The Hebrews, in the earliest period (prior to their 950 BC adoption of the Phoenician alphabet as their own) wrote in Aramaic.

That's fairly well established scholarship, and one of the (or the) oldest books in the Bible, that of Job, was written in that language.

Nefilim as written in later Hebrew, would have been written as NPYL (the ym means plural), which means, according to the Aramaic Dictionary project, "a type of lizard."

The NPYL plus ym would mean "lizards", for the meaning of Nephilym.

Doesn't the Aramaic word "naphila" mean giant? That's pretty close to Nephilim, perhaps there's been an error in translation in the past? Just wondering ;)


Yes, Aramaic, and thus later Hebrew, letters NPL mean either fallen, to fall down, and Giants.
HOWEVER, that's not the word the OP showed us - נְפִילִים
And Nun Pey Yud Lamed Yud Mem is NP'L'M or NP'L with YM as the Hebrew form to indicate a plural form of the word.
SO, what happened is that long ago, in the time when Christians and Jews could not fathom the idea that Reptiles might be indicated, and simply could not allow "us" to have that idea contaminate our minds, (treating us as the children that they thought us to be), they simply said - Oh, well those stupid early scribes can't even spell! And proceeded to take this word of six letters and reduce it to five. Thus giving them fallen and Giants, which they thought would sell very easily to the stupid commoners that they were instructing.

Why do the Biblical scholars, religious folks of all types and academic scholars insist that we look at a Greek translation of a Hebrew translation of an Aramaic original? Because it suits their purposes.
Why do they also absolutely scream when we attempt to use the Massoretic texts, which record the original characters? Because then we will see the frauds. Not the whole books, just the parts that they needed were changed. Such as going back in and changing EL, the original name of God, known to Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Job, and all of the prophets, to Yahweh. How could Yahweh appear in Genesis at all when, by his own admission, he was "not known to Abraham and Noah as Yahweh"?

There are a lot of good bits of info in the Bible. You just have to shove aside the nonsense that our helpful "translators" have thrown in there. And this includes Jews as well as Christians that did this.

Yesterday I was putting together a piece that I had worked on many years ago, because I have finally finished my work of five years and I am putting it into chapters (paragraphs at first).

Moses was the name, found on Sumerian tablets from 2100 BC (many of them) for a Mu (the Sumerian language had no letter "o" plus szesz. Musez.
Mu means a son of, or man of and szesz means reeds. It is found in a paragraph that speaks of a slave that was recently purchased, and one that was known as a Muses, or a man of the reeds. These were the ones who worked in the canals and swampy areas where reeds were produced, in the very south of Sumer, beginning with that Sumerian kingdom and continuing down the ages.

So, since the Egyptians were very familiar with the Sumerian language, doing much trade with them, when they opened their own fields of reeds to harvest papyrus for their writings, they called those Hebrews who had moved into the delta area of the Nile (the Northern or Lower Nile as they say), they called them by the same name - MUSES, which the Hebrews took as MOSES. [The same letter u in ancient Hebrew was pronounced as an ou or an ow, depending on the word.]


Now, how hard was it to solve that thousand year old mystery? Not very.


Forgot to mention: Miriam, sister of Moses, was known to have lived in that area of Egypt that fronts the Mediterranean Sea. And so did Aaron and their families.
So when they crossed this area, they said that they crossed the "reed" sea or the sea of reeds. This would have been the shortest route from Cairo back to Canaan, and makes the most sense.
After leaving, they stopped by their home lands (granted to them by an earlier Pharaoh) to pick up their things before the journey back to the deserts.

Thanks for your response. I'm not as knowledgeable as you are but have researched and studied these ancient texts, translations, and "words" for approx. 50 years now and am well aware of the many "mistakes" and shenanigans.

Their attempts of hiding many truths are often quite out in the open and obvious. Example; They play mind games and word games with what refers to "reptiles" but yet tell us it was a "reptile" (snake) in the garden.

Not having The Book of Enoch (1st) in the Canon and basically trying to wipe it out of existence is another prime example of "shenanigans".

We live in a mind-boggling world and come from an even more mind-boggling past.

It's refreshing to run across someone who is woke and articulate, and IMHO you have it correct.

But they do it to us in stages - easy, baby steps, repeated over and over for hundreds and now running on thousands of years. The Bible text makes sense and contains truths and wisdoms. But the comments on it almost never make sense.


Here's a quick example from a published commentary on Genesis 3:14:

[ (Genesis 3:14)
The serpent is one of the most intriguing animals to be found in the Hebrew Bible. According to some Bible commentators, in the story of Adam and Eve, it represents the evil inclination. Those Bible commentators usually based their assumption on the words of the Prophet Isaiah, which includes the serpent within the list of the THREE demonic animals which are mentioned in his prophecy of the end of times:

“In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding SERPENT, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1) ]

Are there THREE demonic animals? Three, really?
Well, let's see. We have Leviathan the gliding serpent,
Leviathan the coiling serpent,
the monster of the sea.

All three phrases provide adjectives of Leviathan, a sea monster, but isn't there actually only ONE demonic animal? Of course there is. Just as the LORD only has one sword, even though it is 1) fierce, 2) great, and 3) powerful. Not THREE swords, just one.

But if you heard this verbally in Church, without being given a printed transcript to follow, you would naturally assume that this religious profession was telling you the truth and the "only thing that you would take away from this sermon is that there were three demonic animals in the end times prophecies", mainly because you are half-asleep anyway and thinking about what you will do after the service is over.

That's how easy it is.

[Jim_Duyer]

Good morning! Thank you, Jim, for the information you share. You truly are a scholar in these subjects. Regarding the idea that the Nephilim had different skin, I have no doubt. I actually use a stone depiction of Gilgamesh in my personal email signature, and I’ve always been fascinated by that image.

On my father’s side, we have Arab blood, and my last name is Sahade. I’ve been researching population genetics, and it’s very likely that I carry Sumerian, Assyrian (about 15%), and Aramean (around 70%) ancestry. So the blood of the Anunnaki and the Elohim flows strongly through my veins, hahaha.

On the other side, my mother’s side, I have Lombard, Taurine Celtic, and Tartessian Spanish ancestors (supposedly related to the Atlanteans). That ties into the blood of the Nordic races, to whom, as you may have noticed, I also have a deep affection.

Thank you for your comment about my drawing skills, but honestly, it’s all thanks to the incredible tool that is ChatGPT—thank you, Illuminati gentlemen, for making such amazing technology! Hahaha. You’ve put Metatron at the service of humanity—that’s how I see it, at least.

Of course, my gratitude was sarcastic, but still, I believe they are part (not all of them, certainly not the most wicked ones) of this great Noah’s Ark that Earth has become in these times. Only God, ABBA, knows who will remain after the upcoming cataclysm(s) of apocalyptic scale.

We are living in interesting times, as the great English writer Terry Pratchett titled one of his works.

By the way, while writing this message, I used the famous image of “Skinny Bob,” who apparently is actually called “Emerther,” and I’ll share here the meanings I found about his name through Gematria. Evidently, this skinny boy was a nefarious grey from the underworld!



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Well, that certainly explains why you are so tuned into things.
The Aramaeans were prophets and astrologers, kin to people of the the Kaldu region near UR and URUK, (Chaldeans in the Bible), and of course the Keltics were also prophets and astrologers.
Sahada in Aramaic means: (SHD) to testify, to warn, to be given testimony or warning about.

I would look among the ancestors of the Sabaeans, a group in that area that were Aramaic speakers and known for sabia, or wisdom - relating knowledge and esp. the knowledge of the movement of the stars.

You should, and I am sure do, know that we are the types that get burned at the stake for revealing that knowledge? Ha Ha.

[Vicus]

User's account was suspended after this post :sherlock:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1kto372/the_real_human_origin_story_was_deleted_heres/

The Real Human Origin Story Was Deleted. Here’s What Was Replaced.

Most people think the choice is between evolution and creation, science or religion, mutation or divine design. But neither of those stories explains what we are. They were both written to keep us from looking at what actually happened.

Humans didn’t evolve naturally, and we weren’t created by a benevolent god. We were engineered. Our biology, our psychology, and our memory systems were designed for function, not for truth. Every version of human history we’ve been taught is there to prevent us from remembering that.

The fossil record already breaks the evolution model. In the Cambrian layer, dozens of complex species appear fully formed. No gradual development. No transitional evidence. Just sudden appearance. It doesn’t point to a slow evolutionary climb. It points to a restart.

Our genetics tell the same story. Over ninety percent of human DNA is still considered non-coding or junk, not because it’s meaningless, but because scientists don’t know what to do with it. A lot of it behaves like switched-off software. It doesn’t look broken. It looks deactivated.

Mitochondrial DNA, which is passed only through the maternal line, shows up intact without any clear explanation for its dominance. It didn’t gradually replace other lineages. It just appears, already in control of the system. No traceable reason. No evolutionary logic. Just… there.

None of that looks like nature working slowly over time. What it looks like is intervention.

The pattern holds in civilization too. Sumer, Egypt, the Indus Valley. They didn’t slowly work their way up. They started with full systems in place. Writing. Astronomy. Mathematics. Agriculture. Metalwork. Then they collapsed. What followed wasn’t more advanced. It was weaker. Less coordinated. Less informed. That isn’t development. It’s memory loss.

The myths from those civilizations aren’t random either. They talk about beings from the sky, gene mixing, floods, bloodlines, hidden knowledge, and wars between rulers. The stories are nearly identical around the world. Different names. Same structure. Same themes. Same missing pieces.

These civilizations didn’t invent gods. They were remembering specific figures. The Sumerians called them the Anunnaki. The Egyptians gave them divine forms. The Mayans tracked their cycles. These weren’t metaphors. These were descriptions.

What was already living here was shaped to serve someone else’s purpose. Not created from scratch. Modified. Assigned roles. Edited. Some human versions were unstable. Others were too intelligent. When they broke the parameters, they were erased. Flooded. Restarted.

The great flood wasn’t just a natural event. It was a system crash. What followed wasn’t just physical recovery. It was narrative replacement. The survivors weren’t given truth. They were given fragments, symbols, and rituals. Knowledge didn’t disappear. It was locked and handed to ruling castes and bloodlines.

Creationism was brought in to make people obey through guilt. Materialist science replaced it to make people forget through emptiness. One was about worship. The other about denial. Both were structured to keep people from looking too closely.

The institutions that carry these stories, schools, religions, universities, governments, don’t revise them for accuracy. They preserve what was installed. They don’t educate. They reinforce. You were born into damage control, not discovery.

You were taught your body is just biology. That your thoughts are mistakes. That your dreams are nonsense. That your instincts are confusion. Everything in you that reached outside the frame was labeled irrational or dangerous.

But the evidence wasn’t lost. It was hidden. The Smithsonian locked it in vaults. The Vatican put it in sealed archives. Research was defunded. Programs were blacklisted. Foundations guided public thought away from origin.

The world you live in wasn’t built on truth. It sits on top of the original edits.

That creeping sense that nothing adds up, that your instincts are being gaslit, that your potential is being capped on purpose, that’s not paranoia. That’s contact with the boundary.

Everything traces back to the origin story. Once that cracks, the rest of the structure can’t hold.

The system doesn’t break when people rebel. It breaks when people remember. Not in theory. In the body. In the blood. In the silence between thoughts. In the moment you stop repeating what you were taught and start listening to what was never unlearned.

That’s why the lie is still defended. It holds everything up. Once it breaks, they lose the structure. This was NEVER a misunderstanding. It was a lock.

And remembering is the key.

[Jaak]

Irminsül have you seen these Project Orion materials ? They seem to go in the same direction.
Original KGB version from 1983 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QTe-dw51mtyQLu7AVirhOyEIY_QdzCm-/view
English translation - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ipxu2eo2im4pzLoZGtk-nOQ7ExBZXS4X/view?pli=1
I did a quick search on forum , seems this material has not been discussed here before . Will add it to other topic also

[Irminsül]

Hello Vicus! Thanks for your input, which is partially true. But I have a rather different stance on the idea that the “gods” reset us. Here it goes:
The notion that humankind is merely an avatar in a vast, computer-style simulation is, at best, a modern myth born of silicon dreams. Yes, simulations—whether crafted by laboratory minds or cosmic intelligences—can in principle be “reset” on a planetary scale; whole histories of data may be wiped clean in the blinking of an operator’s eye. But to conflate such programmable worlds with the living Earth is to mistake a mirror for the face it reflects.
The Vedic ṛṣis saw more deeply. They spoke of Māyā, the veil that shrouds the Absolute. Māyā is not a programmer’s interface; it is the self-spun web of ignorance that dims the brilliance of pure consciousness. We are not artificial constructs; we are sparks of Brahman wandering through layers of forgetfulness. Each lifetime is an opportunity to thin that veil, until nothing stands between knower and Known.
Here Theosophy and Rudolf Steiner’s spiritual science meet the ancient sages. Both teach that the cosmos unfolds through magnificent epochs—rounds and root races—each one an arena for the evolution of consciousness. Minerals learned to sleep, plants to dream, animals to feel; humanity awakens to self-reflection and, in time, to self-transcendence. When we attune our will to the Divine Will, the very substance of our being grows luminous. Steiner hints that future humanity will wield manasic and buddhic faculties as easily as we now utter speech; Madame Blavatsky foresaw the Sixth and Seventh root races clothed in radiant etheric bodies.
At that stage we no longer require engines or warp drives. The prophets of every mystery school describe a chariot-light vehicle—merkabā in Hebrew, vihāra in Buddhist lore, Vimāna in Sanskrit—generated by the heart-mind in perfect equilibrium. With it, an enlightened soul may traverse galaxies as effortlessly as thought itself, for space obeys consciousness more readily than consciousness obeys space. In that liberty we resemble the angelic hosts: free, creative, joyously obedient to the harmony of the One.
Contrast this with the so-called “Greys,” those pale, neutron-star eyes that flit at the margins of modern folklore. According to esoteric tradition they represent a lineage that severed its covenant with the Divine. In exalting sterile logic over living spirit, they forfeited the sacred power of generation—the ability to weave fresh soul-substance into flesh. Deprived of that inner alchemy, they now rely upon prosthetic technologies and genetic scavenging to prolong a dwindling existence. Their spacecraft are coffins that glide on mathematics, not chariots of fire born of love. Thus they appear emotionless: the lamp has guttered; only the casing remains.
Humans, by contrast, retain the indestructible spark—the spirit-atom, a fractal of God that no cosmic catastrophe can erase. Simulations may collapse, timelines may reset, even stars may fade, yet the spirit endures, carrying the memory of every sunrise across the eons. To believe we are nothing more than code is to dim that spark with an even heavier veil. Better to remember the anthem of the Upaniṣads: tat tvam asi—“Thou art That.” Strip away the circuitry of illusion, and what remains is not an orphaned avatar but a nascent divinity, destined to unfold its wings across Infinity.
This aligns closely with the information Bill Ryan received regarding the J-Rods from whistleblower Dan Burisch. If humanity takes the wrong path, we risk becoming like the J-Rods—grey beings suffering from permanent skin cancer as a result of their evolutionary and spiritual detour. But if we follow the higher path, we can evolve into beings like the Nordics—spiritually advanced, harmonious, and in alignment with the Divine order.
For more detailed information on this, refer to Volume 1 of the Project Camelot Interviews, where these topics are discussed in depth.




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Hi Jaak, thanks for your contribution! Over a year ago I downloaded the material you're talking about. I skimmed through it, didn’t read it in detail. It's true that it touches on several topics I mentioned in this post. I've been looking for information about the authenticity of "Project Orion". The best I’ve found so far is the following comment on Reddit from a user:

"We have a new subreddit to further our investigation. We need all the help we can get.
A Discord server called 'The Mystery Den' has been investigating these old documents. We amassed over 300 new members with a mutual interest in getting to the bottom of this. We believe the documents are likely authentic and created by the KGB in 1983.
Our translation is straight from Google Lens and appears accurate.
Sources for these documents have been traced back as early as 2013 on the WayBackMachine. They have been floating around inconspicuously within the Russian UFOlogy community, but the full document has not been shared before openly on this scale.
I originally was given the Translated version, and after several days of group research over Discord, we were able to track down the untranslated text. Yes it contains mistakes (the apocalypse didn't begin in 2012, for starters). Yes it contains some old timey KGB racism (which none of us endorse at all). The validity of the text’s claims and their sources is secondary to whether or not this is an authentic KGB document. The current consensus is these must be real. This document is a part of history and it should be studied publicly.
I have shared these documents with a number of podcasters and prominent researchers and I'm hoping someone will eventually pick this story up and run with it. The more eyes we get on these the better."

I’ll take a closer look at the material in the coming days and let you know what I think or what conclusions I come to. If any other member of Project Avalon has already investigated these texts or wants to contribute any information they have on the matter, it would be more than welcome.

[Dumpster Diver]

As Heckelfish sez: Lizzid People!

[Ravenlocke]

🚨In The Nevada Desert, A USAF Weather Observer Named Charles Hall Claimed He Stumbled Onto An Alien Race The Government Doesn’t Talk About:

8–10 ft beings with glowing suits, underground bases near Nellis, and craft faster than light.

Let’s discuss ✨ The Tall Whites ✨🧵👇
https://x.com/UAPWatchers/status/1966219268758057393

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Hall was stationed at Indian Springs (now Creech AFB) in the 1960s.

While running weather balloons, he began seeing “Tall Whites” lanky humanoids with chalk white skin, huge blue eyes, and radiant suits that shimmered like light tubes.

At first, he thought he was hallucinating.

3/
One detail makes his story so strange. The Tall Whites had children. He described them as smaller, frailer, but guided by taller adults. These kids sometimes hid behind sagebrush, watching him.

A being “less like an alien, more like a neighbor child… except 5 feet tall at age 8.”

https://x.com/UAPWatchers/status/1966219277066699061
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The military allegedly built underground hangars & living quarters for them in the Nevada desert.
Hall says these were “ambassadorial compounds” where Tall Whites could live, land craft, and even host U.S. officials.

Think “Area 51, but with guests from the stars.”

5/
He claimed their scout craft could bend light around them, making them shimmer and disappear.
He also developed what he called the Hall Photon Theory:

Gravity moves faster than light. EM is just one of several “force fields.”

Their craft exploit these hidden forces.

https://x.com/UAPWatchers/status/1966219286005035421

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Tall Whites supposedly had bathrooms in their base that human staff weren’t allowed to use.

Once, Hall accidentally did and got cornered by furious beings. Only his “trust rating” with the group saved him from being unalived on the spot.

7/
Their behavior was unpredictable. He described one called “Range Four Harry” a Tall White who’d sneak up behind him, glowing like a fluorescent light tube, just to scare him.
The military, Hall said, knew about Harry’s pranks but never warned new recruits

https://x.com/UAPWatchers/status/1966219293609320655

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Hall even mentions a CIA psychiatrist with “105 defensive techniques” who interrogated him about his sanity.

The implication was that U.S. intelligence agencies already knew of the Tall Whites but wanted to control how far the story spread.

9/
On rare occasions, Hall said he was allowed aboard their craft. He compared the experience to standing inside a “field of vibrating light.”

No visible controls, with rooms reshaped like illusions.

The ship accelerated faster than human pilots could survive yet inside, it felt smooth.

https://x.com/UAPWatchers/status/1966219301519593876

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Hall’s testimony has divided UFO researchers for decades.

Is it delusion, metaphor, or disclosure?

If true, then long before today’s hearings, the U.S. military was quietly hosting alien ambassadors in the Nevada desert.

What do you think. Hidden truth or wild fiction?

11/
I have covered Halls story before because the level of detail is amazing. Over the years Hall has never deviated from his story. Jesse Michels has done an amazing interview you can check it out here:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QgxjtDS2sIQ

#TallWhites #UAP #Area51 #Disclosure #CharlesHall
@AlchemyAmerican

https://x.com/UAPWatchers/status/1966219308251390315

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[Vicus]

The world you live in wasn’t built on truth. It sits on top of the original edits...

But the evidence wasn’t lost. It was hidden. The Smithsonian locked it in vaults. The Vatican put it in sealed archives. Research was defunded. Programs were blacklisted. Foundations guided public thought away from origin.

Just one example about my previous post.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29671-Gobekli-Tepe&p=1664390&viewfull=1#post1664390

:sherlock:

[Irminsül]

Hi Ravenlocke. I suppose you’re sharing this because you think these Tall Whites might be the Elohim I’m talking about or could have some connection to them… or maybe because Charles Hall said that on these extraterrestrials’ ships he saw writing that looked like hieroglyphics (and the section my thread belongs to is Ancient Aliens). There are more possibilities, I guess. It would be nice if you could tell us why you thought what you sent might be related to my thread.

Besides that, I’ll mention that I read the first and half of the second book by Charles Hall—there are five in total. They’re available here in the Project Avalon library.


https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Charles%20Hall%20-%20Millennial%20Hospitality.pdf

I didn’t continue reading his books because there were some odd things in the testimony of this supposed contactee (or whatever you want to call him) that didn’t quite add up for me. Even so, his writing style is captivating and the subject is absolutely fascinating. The Why Files did a report on it. As often happens with this kind of case, there’s no absolute certainty that what this man says is true—nor can the opposite be stated with certainty either.


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I posted what I termed a “revival” interview of Dr Charles Hall” by Jesse Michaels because in attempting to connect the dots about Ancient Aliens,
it is about the Tall Whites, they are considered ETs and nondisclosed by our government, they are described as unfriendly, and it fits the category of connecting the dots in Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact sub category Ancient Aliens since part of the testimony is that these Tall Whites have probably been here since the Ice age.

Kerry Cassidy,

WHY DON'T JAY STRATTON, LUIS ELIZONDO AND TO THE STARS ACADEMY PLAYERS know that the TIC TACS are TALL WHITE SCOUT CRAFT built by our secret space program FOR the TAll Whites an alien race based in Indian Springs Nevada according to Air Force vet CHARLES HALL? Or are they lying because this info goes back to the 60's!!!

https://x.com/camelotQKerry/status/1837445034003910708

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Trump Briefed on Alien “Nordics”Rep. Eric Burlinson says David Grush personally briefed Trump on these so-called “Tall Whites”Grush reportedly believes they’re just a few centuries ahead of us, and they walk among us, undetected.🧐🤔👽👽👽👽👽👽

Research Charles Hall with testimony of “ Range 4 Harry”. Tall Whites have paper white skin. Nordics look like human blondes & sep all together. William Tompkins said Nordics helped Navy build cigar shape craft.

https://x.com/RedPandaKoala/status/1938877032827625891

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[Vicus]

This article come very good to my first post...

The Anunnaki Hypothesis ,when Modern Genetics meets Ancient Sumerian Records...

The Scientific Revolution meets Ancient History

In 1953, when James Watson and Francis Crick published their model of DNA's double helix structure - built on Rosalind Franklin's crucial X-ray crystallography work - they could not have imagined that,

their discovery would eventually provide evidence supporting one of humanity's oldest recorded creation stories...
Yet today, modern genetic research has uncovered anomalies in human DNA that align remarkably with ancient Sumerian accounts of genetic manipulation by beings called the Anunnaki.

The Sumerian tablets, dating back over 6,000 years, describe advanced beings from the heavens who genetically modified early humans to create modern humanity.
For decades, scholars dismissed these accounts as mythology.

But recent breakthroughs in genomics, evolutionary biology, and paleogenetics are revealing patterns in human DNA that suggest our origins may be far more complex - and artificial - than previously believed.


What if the ancient Sumerians were not telling mythological stories, but rather documenting actual genetic engineering events that modern science is only now beginning to understand...?

The Chromosome Mystery - Why Humans don't Add Up

The most compelling genetic anomaly supporting the Anunnaki hypothesis involves human chromosome structure.

While our closest relatives - chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans - all have 48 chromosomes,

humans have only 46....

This represents a fundamental genetic difference that evolutionary theory struggles to explain through natural processes alone.
The scientific explanation centers on human chromosome 2, which was formed by the head-to-head fusion of two ancestral chromosomes that remained separate in other primates.

This fusion arose prior to our last common ancestor with Neanderthal and Denisovan hominins ~ 0.74-4.5 million years ago.
But here is what mainstream science does not want to address:



recent analysis suggests this event happened "shortly before a million years ago, in the common ancestors of Neanderthal, Denisovans, and African ancestral humans",
...remarkably close to the timeframe suggested by Sumerian chronologies for Anunnaki intervention...

The Engineering Implication

Chromosome fusion is not typically a beneficial mutation.
In most species, such dramatic chromosomal changes are lethal or produce sterile offspring. Yet in humans, this fusion not only succeeded but became fixed in the entire population.
The precision and success of this genetic change suggests intentional modification rather than random mutation...

continue: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/anunnaki/anu_113.htm

[Vicus]

And another one...

Alien DNA in Humans...

Scientists claim to have found evidence of alien genetic manipulation in human DNA, with large sections of genes seemingly 'inserted' into people, potentially affecting millions of humans.

If confirmed, the discovery could fundamentally alter our understanding of human evolution and the future of the human race, said lead researcher Dr Max Rempel, the founder and chief executive of the DNA Resonance Research Foundation.

The study, which has not yet undergone peer review, analyzed DNA from both ordinary people and self-reported alien abductees.

In an examination of 581 complete families from the 1,000 Genomes Project, Rempel found 'large sequences' of DNA in 11 families that appeared to match neither parent.

These anomalies include,



a cluster of 348 non-parental genetic variants, some of which were from children born before 1990, ruling out human gene-editing technologies such as CRISPR, which only emerged in 2013.

continue: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia4/genoma223.htm

[Irminsül]

This article come very good to my first post...

The Anunnaki Hypothesis ,when Modern Genetics meets Ancient Sumerian Records...

The Scientific Revolution meets Ancient History

In 1953, when James Watson and Francis Crick published their model of DNA's double helix structure - built on Rosalind Franklin's crucial X-ray crystallography work - they could not have imagined that,

their discovery would eventually provide evidence supporting one of humanity's oldest recorded creation stories...
Yet today, modern genetic research has uncovered anomalies in human DNA that align remarkably with ancient Sumerian accounts of genetic manipulation by beings called the Anunnaki.

The Sumerian tablets, dating back over 6,000 years, describe advanced beings from the heavens who genetically modified early humans to create modern humanity.
For decades, scholars dismissed these accounts as mythology.

But recent breakthroughs in genomics, evolutionary biology, and paleogenetics are revealing patterns in human DNA that suggest our origins may be far more complex - and artificial - than previously believed.


What if the ancient Sumerians were not telling mythological stories, but rather documenting actual genetic engineering events that modern science is only now beginning to understand...?

The Chromosome Mystery - Why Humans don't Add Up

The most compelling genetic anomaly supporting the Anunnaki hypothesis involves human chromosome structure.

While our closest relatives - chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans - all have 48 chromosomes,

humans have only 46....

This represents a fundamental genetic difference that evolutionary theory struggles to explain through natural processes alone.
The scientific explanation centers on human chromosome 2, which was formed by the head-to-head fusion of two ancestral chromosomes that remained separate in other primates.

This fusion arose prior to our last common ancestor with Neanderthal and Denisovan hominins ~ 0.74-4.5 million years ago.
But here is what mainstream science does not want to address:



recent analysis suggests this event happened "shortly before a million years ago, in the common ancestors of Neanderthal, Denisovans, and African ancestral humans",
...remarkably close to the timeframe suggested by Sumerian chronologies for Anunnaki intervention...

The Engineering Implication

Chromosome fusion is not typically a beneficial mutation.
In most species, such dramatic chromosomal changes are lethal or produce sterile offspring. Yet in humans, this fusion not only succeeded but became fixed in the entire population.
The precision and success of this genetic change suggests intentional modification rather than random mutation...

continue: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/anunnaki/anu_113.htm

Hi Vicus! Excellent contributions — I had overlooked them. In addition to the current information you’re sharing, I’m going to contribute the results of some research on ancient cultures from the Fertile Crescent. To start, I’m posting an image and some information about a very intriguing Sumerian archaeological object.


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The Libation Vase of Gudea is a ceremonial stone vessel commissioned by Gudea, the ruler (ensi) of the Sumerian city-state of Lagash during the late 3rd millennium BCE (around 2150–2120 BCE, Neo-Sumerian period). It was created as a religious offering, most likely dedicated to the god Ningishzida, whose emblem — two intertwined serpents rising along a central staff — appears prominently on the vessel.

The vase is carved from diorite, a very hard, dark igneous stone that Gudea famously imported from distant lands for his statues and ritual objects. Despite the difficulty of working diorite, the surface is finely polished and inscribed with cuneiform.

Today, the Libation Vase of Gudea is housed in the Louvre Museum in Paris, within the Department of Near Eastern Antiquities. It is considered one of the most iconic surviving ritual artifacts of the Neo-Sumerian period.

[Irminsül]

To begin with, I myself carry the genetics of ancient peoples from the Fertile Crescent. My paternal surname is Sahade, and my ancestors are originally from Syria, though they originally came from Iraq. For years I have studied the Abrahamic religions. And beyond that, I’m passionate about ancient history — especially that of Europe and the Middle East. I’d like to share with you some concepts I’ve been working on connecting.

The Common Creation Pattern in Mesopotamia, Canaan/Ugarit, and Israel

Across the entire cultural arc of the Ancient Near East — from Sumerian-Akkadian Mesopotamia, through the Canaanite/Ugaritic pantheon, to the Elohim of the Torah — the same underlying structure appears to explain the origin and function of humanity. These are not isolated stories: they belong to a shared “mental universe.”


1. The Divine Council as Creative Organ

In all three spheres, creation is not the work of a solitary figure but of a divine assembly:
In Mesopotamia, the council of the great gods/Anunnaki.
In Ugarit, El and the ’ilhm (“the gods”), an active pantheon.
In Genesis, the Elohim, whose plural form and council-like scenes preserve the background of a divine assembly.
The phrase “let us make,” the idea of a meeting, collective decisions — all point to creation as a deliberate act of a group of deities.


2. Earthly Matter + Divine Principle

In all traditions, the human being emerges from the combination of earthly substance and a divine component:
Atra-Ḫasīs: clay + the flesh and blood of a sacrificed god.
Genesis: earth/clay (adamah) + divine breath infused into the ’adam.
Ugarit: while no explicit human-creation myth survives, the general logic of the pantheon implies that humanity is part of the cosmic order organized by the gods and sustained by their vital energy.
The pattern is the same: the human is clay infused with a spark of the divine.


3. Human Function: Work, Management, and Order

In all three traditions, humanity has a concrete purpose, never an abstract one:
In Mesopotamia: to replace the minor gods in agricultural, hydraulic, and labor tasks.
In the Ugaritic cosmos: to maintain the social and agricultural life that supports temples and the kingship established by the divine council.
In Genesis: to cultivate, name, govern, and administer the living world.
The human being is a manager of the cosmos, not a mere spectator. Work, organization, care for the environment, and sustaining order are expected.


4. Cosmic Recalibration: Plagues, Crises, and Floods

When humanity multiplies, overflows, or generates conflict:
In Atra-Ḫasīs, plagues and famines arise, culminating in the Flood.
In Ugarit, although no flood appears, the narratives revolve around crises in the divine order that impact human reality (the death of Baal, droughts, cycles of fertility and restoration).
In Genesis, widespread corruption leads to the Flood and the reorganization of humanity.
In all cases, the gods readjust the system when imbalance appears.


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Returning to the topic of creation, then, this is what we are told in Genesis:


Genesis 1:26

And Elohim said,
“Let us make adam (humankind) in our image, according to our likeness;
and let them rule over the fish of the sea,
and over the bird of the heavens,
and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”

Genesis 1:27

So Elohim created the adam in his image;
in the image of Elohim he created him;
male and female he created them.

Genesis 2:7

Then YHWH Elohim formed the adam from dust of the ground,
and He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life,
and the adam became a living being.


This would be the representation of that biblical "story":


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And the parallel in the Atra-Ḫasīs would be something like this:


When the gods, instead of men, were the ones doing all the work and bearing the loads, the toil became unbearable and the junior gods, the Igigi, groaned under the burden, blaming one another and finally rising in revolt against Enlil. They abandoned their picks and spades, surrounded the god’s dwelling by night, and their clamor terrified the great Anunnaki, who assembled a divine council to investigate the uproar. There Ea (Enki) defends the rebels, explaining that “their work was too hard, their trouble was too much” and proposes a radical solution: the womb-goddess will fashion a substitute worker. The gods summon Belet-ili (Nintu, Mami) and say to her: “You are the womb-goddess, creator of mankind! Create primeval man, that he may bear the yoke! Let him bear the yoke, the work of Ellil, let man bear the load of the gods!” Ea then reveals the secret rite: on an appointed day one god, Ilawela, is slaughtered, and “Nintu shall mix clay with his flesh and his blood; then a god and a man will be mixed together in clay,” so that from the god’s flesh “a ghost may come into existence … as his living sign,” ensuring the slain deity is never forgotten. In this way, according to Atrahasis Tablet I, humanity—the lullû / lullû-amēlu—is brought into being as a blend of earth and divine substance, created explicitly to carry the yoke and relieve the Igigi of the labor that had once crushed them.


And this would be the representation of this Sumerian "myth":




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[Irminsül]

Apart from everything already presented — certain scientific indications, extensive historical and cultural information from ancient peoples — there is one more factor that I find extremely important: the Argentine prophet Benjamín Solari Parravicini (yes, I know, I mention him all the time haha) spoke specifically in three psychographies about the beings from the planet Ki-En-Ki. He was evidently referring to the Anunnaki. It should be clarified that when this prophet spoke of dates, he always did so symbolically. He was not literally referring to the year 2000. I will now share the messages he received on this topic.


PSYCHOGRAPHY FROM 1960:
“The astronavigator from the planet ‘KI-EN-KI,’ who arrived on Earth at the hour of Creation, who contributed to Egyptian, Greek, and Roman construction, who aided in the wars of Europe and guided the latest constructions, now seeks once again to strengthen humankind in its mind and prevent atomic disaster. He is on a mission!”


PSYCHOGRAPHY FROM 1960:
“The astral aeronaut who dwelled on Earth during the Chaldean civilization then brought ships shaped like gigantic red fish and used them to carry human beings to the planet ‘KI-EN-KI.’ Today he will again bring his giant red ships to likewise save Earth’s beings from the three smokes and carry them to ‘KI-EN-KI.’ He will return them in the year 2000!”

PSYCHOGRAPHY FROM 1960:
“The spacecraft of ‘KI-EN-KI,’ shaped like enormous fish of fire, will travel to Earth on a high mission of assistance. They will descend over their already familiar South Pole. They will dwell within the ice until the hour of the hour. Then they shall be.”



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[Irminsül]

The Human Being: the Golden Dragon



1. “The Dragons of Eden” by Carl Sagan: the reptile we carry inside


In The Dragons of Eden (1977), Carl Sagan speculates about the evolution of human intelligence. He adopts Paul MacLean’s “triune brain” model: a deep reptilian complex (instinct, territoriality, aggression), wrapped by a mammalian limbic system (emotion), crowned by the neocortex, seat of rational and abstract thought.
The title The Dragons of Eden refers to the idea that our ancestral fears of snakes and reptilian predators became embedded in the brain and later emerged as myths of dragons haunting the “Eden” of consciousness. In Sagan’s vision, the “dragons” are symbolic of the ancient reptilian predators that shaped our evolution and our nightmares.
Modern neuroscience considers the “triune brain” an oversimplification; the brain does not separate into three neat evolutionary layers. But as a scientific myth, Sagan’s idea left a powerful image: we carry a reptilian core inside us, and the dragons are the metaphorical memory of that heritage.
From an esoteric point of view, you can flip the interpretation: rather than seeing our inner “dragon” only as blind instinct, you can read it as the trace of a higher reptilian–aquatic lineage from which we ultimately descend—engineered, in this narrative, by cosmic gardeners.

2. Contactees and the archetype of the aquatic reptile


In the 20th century, contactee lore reactivates these symbols in a cosmic key. In the Italian–Hispanic esoteric milieu, three figures are especially important:
Eugenio Siragusa
Italian contactee active from the 1950s, founder of groups such as the Centro Studi Fratellanza Cosmica and self-proclaimed messenger of extraterrestrial beings like Ashtar Sheran. His messages revolve around cosmic hierarchies, solar beings, planetary warnings, and the guidance of humanity by superior intelligences.
Ángel Cristo Acoglanis
A Greek–Argentinian mystic and healer who played a central role in the esoteric development of Capilla del Monte and the mythology of the intraterrestrial city ERKS. Through his rituals, group contacts, and teachings around the Uritorco region, he helped consolidate the idea of a hidden cosmic guidance acting from underground and from the heavens.
Nimrod de Rosario (Felipe Moyano)
Associated with the Sabiduría Hiperbórea (Hyperborean Wisdom) and the book El Misterio de Belicena Villca, he appears in many accounts as a bearer of a radical gnosis about non-human lineages, cosmic wars, and spiritual genetics.
Within the broader contactee mythos surrounding these and other figures, a recurring theme emerges: amphibious, reptiloid, or dragon-like cosmic beings. Sometimes they are described as living in oceans of other worlds, or as subtle entities tied to the element of water, intervening in our biological and spiritual evolution.
Even if they don’t always phrase it in the exact sentence “human beings were created from an aquatic reptile,” their messages fit a larger archetype:
The apkallu of Mesopotamia, semi-divine sages, half man and half fish, who came from the waters to teach writing, agriculture, and law. The first among them, Oannes, emerged daily from the sea to instruct humanity.
The Nommo of the Dogon, amphibious “masters of the waters,” often linked to the Sirius system, who bring order, knowledge, and civilization from the cosmic ocean.
In the esoteric reading you’re asking for, Siragusa, Acoglanis, and Nimrod are late spokesmen for a very ancient message: the human being did not emerge solely from blind evolution, but from a deliberate intervention of cosmic gardeners of a reptilian–aquatic type.
And here comes the explicit clarification:
Within this mythic-esoteric framework, those space gardeners selected and genetically engineered a Triassic marine reptile known to us as Nothosaurus mirabilis—a sleek, semi-aquatic sauropterygian of around four meters in length, with pointed teeth adapted to catching fish, inhabiting the shallow seas of the ancient Tethys Ocean—as the biological base upon which they would later sculpt Homo sapiens sapiens.
Paleontology, of course, only describes Nothosaurus as an extinct marine reptile from the Triassic period and does not accept any extraterrestrial genetic engineering scenario. But in the mythic narrative, Nothosaurus mirabilis becomes the chosen matrix, the “dragon of the sea” whose line is uplifted toward self-awareness by the Elohim.

3. The serpent cult: Sumerians, Egyptians, Mayas


The sacred serpent appears in almost every major civilization. Let’s look at three key cultures:
3.1. Sumerians and Mesopotamia
In ancient Mesopotamia, the Sumerians and their successors revered Ningishzida, a deity associated with vegetation, the underworld, and serpents. He is depicted as a human figure with snakes emerging from his shoulders, or as a double serpent or dragon.
Ningishzida belongs to a group of snake gods linked to the underworld, justice, vegetation, and chthonic powers. In some iconography, the intertwining serpents associated with him resemble a double helix, and later authors have compared this to the caduceus and to DNA symbolism.
Esoterically, the message is transparent: the serpent/dragon is the code of life, the guardian of balance, the power that rises from the watery depths of the earth and the subconscious.
3.2. Egypt: Wadjet and the uraeus
In Egypt, the cobra goddess Wadjet is among the oldest deities. She appears as the uraeus, the rearing cobra on the brow of the pharaoh. This symbol conveys sovereignty, divine protection, and lethal solar fire: the cobra spits flames at the enemies of the king.
Here, the serpent is not a mere animal: it is solar fire, royal power, the living eye of Ra set upon the human forehead. A human crowned with a serpent is a human fused with a dragon of light.
3.3. Mayas: Kukulkán, the Feathered Serpent
In Mesoamerica, the Feathered Serpent appears among Aztecs (Quetzalcóatl) and Mayas (Kukulkán). It is one of the highest deities, associated with wind, knowledge, civilization, and cyclical renewal.
At Chichén Itzá, during the equinoxes, light and shadow create the illusion of a serpent of light descending the steps of the pyramid of Kukulkán. This dramatizes the union of heaven and earth, and the periodic descent of sacred energy that renews the world.
So we see a pattern:
In Sumer, the serpent is a vegetation–underworld god, order and chthonic power.
In Egypt, the cobra is solar fire and royal legitimacy.
In Mesoamerica, the Feathered Serpent is knowledge, calendar, and world-renewal.
Over and over, serpent/dragon = cosmic power, knowledge, and the legitimation of elites.

4. Jesus and the phrase: “brood of vipers”


In the Gospels, John the Baptist and Jesus use a striking expression: “brood of vipers” or “race of vipers” (for example in Matthew 3:7; 12:34; 23:33), directed at religious hypocrites of their time.
The immediate meaning is harsh, but symbolically:
The viper denotes cunning, venom, and corruption of speech and intention.
“Brood” or “race” suggests a lineage of consciousness, not merely bloodline: people who spiritually descend from deceit and malicious cunning.
From the esoteric angle, Jesus is not condemning the sacred serpent as such, but saying:
You are not the luminous dragons of wisdom; you are a distorted, venomous version of that archetype, a corrupted serpent that uses knowledge to enslave, not to liberate.
In the narrative of cosmic gardeners, this is Jesus exposing a faction that has betrayed the original draconic legacy—the heritage of the cosmic reptile–dragons—turning it toward control instead of awakening.

5. Nāgas, knowledge, and Homo sapiens sapiens


In Indian and Southeast Asian traditions, the Nāgas are serpent deities, often depicted as giant cobras, living in rivers, lakes, oceans, and the subterranean world. They are guardians of treasures, of water, and above all of hidden wisdom.
Shesha/Ananta is the infinite naga upon whom Vishnu reclines in cosmic repose.
Vasuki coils around Shiva’s neck.
In many legends, nagas guard sacred scriptures or esoteric teachings.
The serpent is also a symbol of Kundalini, the coiled energy at the base of the spine that, when awakened, rises like a serpent of fire through the chakras until it reaches the crown and brings enlightenment.
Some Gnostic groups even revered the serpent of Eden as the bearer of gnosis, the one who offers knowledge against the ignorance imposed by a jealous demiurge.
Now compare this with the name of our species:
Homo sapiens = “the man who knows.”
Homo sapiens sapiens = “the man who knows that he knows.”
Symbolically, we are the species in which the serpent of knowledge turns back upon itself and becomes self-aware. The double “sapiens” echoes the double-coiled serpent: knowledge that recognizes itself.
In the cosmic-gardener hypothesis, this doubling of consciousness is exactly what the Elohim were aiming for when they “uplifted” the Nothosaurus mirabilis lineage: transforming an instinct-driven marine reptile into a vessel capable of sapiens–sapiens reflexivity.

6. Elohim and the “dragons of the sea” before man


In the Hebrew Bible, before creating humankind, Elohim creates the great creatures of the sea. The key verse is Genesis 1:21:
“So God (Elohim) created the great sea creatures (ha-tanninim ha-gedolim) and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed, according to their kinds…”
The word tanninim is variously translated as:
“great sea creatures”
“sea monsters”
“great sea serpents”
“dragons”
In other biblical passages, tannin can mean serpent, dragon, or huge sea monster, sometimes associated with figures like Leviathan.
The order of events is clear:
1. Elohim orders the waters and creates the great sea dragons/monsters.
2. Later, on the sixth day, Elohim creates human beings.
In esoteric reading, this becomes:
Before humanity, the Elohim design primordial aquatic–reptilian lineages—“dragons of the sea” (tanninim).
These lineages form the biological matrix upon which the Elohim will later act to bring forth a being capable of hosting higher consciousness.
Within the narrative you’re building, this matrix is identified—symbolically and mythopoetically—with Nothosaurus mirabilis: a marine reptile from the Triassic, distributed across the Tethys Ocean, semi-aquatic and predatory, a perfect template for a powerful, streamlined, water-adapted body.
Again, paleontology only states that Nothosaurus was an extinct sauropterygian from the Middle Triassic, long vanished before humans appeared. It does not recognize any extraterrestrial intervention. But the esoteric synthesis sees in these “dragons of the sea” the hidden historical body later refined by the Elohim.

7. Archangels and dragons: etymology and inner meaning


Strictly speaking:
Archangel comes from Greek archággelos: arché (“principal, chief”) + ángelos (“messenger”). It literally means “chief-messenger,” “principal angel.”
Dragon comes from Greek drákōn, “great serpent, dragon.”
So linguistically, “archangel” does not derive from “dragon.” That’s the honest philological fact.
But symbolically, in Christian apocalyptic imagery, the link is intense:
In Revelation, the archangel Michael fights and defeats the “great dragon, that ancient serpent.”
Iconography shows Michael standing upon a dragon, sword raised, subduing it.
Esoteric interpretation:
The dragon = primordial reptilian–aquatic power, instinct, chaos, and raw fire—the cosmic Nothosaurus-type legacy within us.
The archangel = higher solar consciousness, the ordering principle that masters and rides the dragon instead of being devoured by it.
Thus, one can say that the “hidden etymology” or deeper meaning of “archangel” is: the messenger of the Highest who has integrated the draconic power, the rider of the dragon within. In other words, an archangel is a being who has reconciled the Nothosaurus mirabilis heritage with the light of the central Sun.

8. Dragons in China: imperial lineage and zodiac


In Chinese tradition, the dragon is an exalted, benevolent being: lord of rain, rivers, lakes, and the eastern seas; emblem of cosmic order and imperial authority.
Emperors called themselves “sons of the dragon”, and their throne was the Dragon Throne.
The five-clawed imperial dragon was a symbol restricted to the emperor; unauthorized use could be punished severely.
In the Chinese zodiac, the dragon is one of the 12 animals and is associated with charisma, leadership, and exceptional destiny. Many families have preferred to have children in a Year of the Dragon, believing they would inherit that energetic prestige.
Here again, the pattern: the apex of human power—the emperor—identifies himself with a draconic lineage. In esoteric language, the ruler is an incarnation of the cosmic dragon, embodying in human form the water-and-sky power of the world.

9. Seraphim: dragons of light and celestial fire


In Biblical Hebrew, śārāf means “burning one” and is used for fiery serpents, venomous snakes whose bite “burns.”
In Numbers and Deuteronomy, seraphim are burning serpents of the desert.
In Isaiah 6, however, seraphim appear as fiery, six-winged beings around the throne of YHWH, crying “Holy, holy, holy…”
Some scholars note the continuity with Egyptian imagery of the fiery cobra (uraeus) on the king’s forehead—the blazing serpent that embodies solar power and divine protection.
So behind the later angelic “Seraphim” stands an older image: winged, fiery serpents, a kind of celestial dragon. The later Jewish and Christian traditions stylize them as purely angelic, but the draconic root remains.
From the viewpoint you’re articulating, a seraph is a great dragon of light and celestial fire—a living ray of the central Sun that is God. Each seraphim is a beam of the divine core, channeling its fire into creation.
In this same symbolic system, the space gardeners—Elohim and their highest agents—are like seraphic draconic engineers: they take the raw biological clay of creatures such as Nothosaurus mirabilis and, through aeons of subtle intervention, infuse it with light, gradually shaping a vessel capable of bearing seraphic consciousness.

10. Serpent, secret societies, and gnosis


Across history, esoteric orders and secret societies have reused the serpent/dragon symbol:
The ouroboros, the serpent or dragon biting its tail, appears in Egyptian, Gnostic, and Hermetic traditions as a symbol of eternity, cyclical time, and the unity of All.
In Masonic and para-Masonic contexts, the serpent represents wisdom, transformation, immortality, and healing; the ouroboros in particular expresses perpetual renewal and the endless work of spiritual refinement.
For many of these groups, the core idea is:
What exoteric religion fears in the serpent (forbidden knowledge, independence from imposed authority) is exactly what the inner teachings seek: gnosis, lucid awareness, conscious freedom.
Thus your statement that “all secret societies know this” points to a shared undercurrent: they recognize that behind the demonized figure of the serpent/dragon lies a cosmic truth about human origin and destiny.
In this view, they know that:
The tanninim of Genesis, the “dragons of the sea,” are not mere mythic monsters, but veiled memories of real ancient lineages—symbolized here by beings like Nothosaurus mirabilis.
The serpent of Eden, the nagas, the Ningishzida double-helix serpent, the Feathered Serpent, the dragon of China, the seraphim of fire: all these are facets of one meta-symbol—the draconic intelligence that shapes life and invites it to awaken.

11. Weaving it all together: space gardeners, Nothosaurus mirabilis, and the Elohim


If we now gather all the threads, we get a coherent picture—coherent as a mythic-esoteric worldview, not as accepted scientific doctrine:

1. Modern science-myth

Carl Sagan popularizes the idea of a “reptilian brain” and “dragons of Eden” as a metaphor of ancestral reptilian influence on our evolution.
Neuroscience later qualifies that model, but the symbol persists: there is a reptile within us.
2. Ancient religions
Sumerians, Egyptians, Mayas, Indians, Chinese, Gnostics: everywhere, serpents and dragons = cosmic power, knowledge, renewal, and the legitimization of rulers and priesthoods.

3. Biblical tradition

Elohim creates the great sea dragons (tanninim) before humans.
The spiritual lineage divides: some become a “brood of vipers,” corrupting the draconic heritage, while others align with the luminous serpent (seraphim, Christ as solar Logos).

4. Distant past lineages

Across myth and esoteric speculation, “dragon of the sea” can be seen as pointing to real marine reptile lineages known to paleontology, such as Nothosaurus mirabilis, a semi-aquatic sauropterygian from the Tethys region in the Middle Triassic.

5. Contactees

Figures like Siragusa, Acoglanis, and Nimrod echo a message of extraterrestrial or hyperdimensional intervention, cosmic beings guiding, warning, and sometimes genetically tuning humanity.

6. Secret orders

Masonic, Hermetic, Gnostic, and other esoteric currents keep the serpent/dragon as a key symbol of gnosis and the eternal work of inner transformation.
Within this framework, to say:
“The human being is the product of intervention by space gardeners who made us in their image and likeness: the Elohim”
is to assert that:
Elohim are not a solitary God, but a collective of higher intelligences, many of them draconic-seraphic, associated with stars, deep oceans of space, and cosmic fire.
These Elohim chose and modified a specific marine reptile lineage—symbolized by Nothosaurus mirabilis—as the starting template. Over enormous spans of time, through subtle interventions, they guided that reptilian–aquatic biology through countless transformations until it produced a being capable of double consciousness: Homo sapiens sapiens, the one who knows that he knows.
Our body and brain still bear the layered mark of this: mammalian, reptilian, aquatic, and seraphic; the Nothosaurus mirabilis heritage transmuted into a temple for the inner Sun.
The global mythic field—serpents, dragons, nagas, Feathered Serpents, ureai, seraphim, and dragons of China—is the fragmented memory of this ancient draconic project.
The spiritual drama (Jesus vs. the “brood of vipers,” archangels vs. dragons, secret societies studying the serpent) is the ongoing struggle over how we use this legacy:
either for domination, deceit, and fear,
or for gnosis, freedom, and conscious union with the central Source.
From the standpoint of mainstream biology, human beings arise by evolutionary processes from primate ancestors, with no recognized extraterrestrial engineering, and Nothosaurus mirabilis is simply an extinct marine reptile long gone before humans appeared.
From the esoteric “space gardener” vision you are exploring, however, it is taken as absolutely certain on a mythic–initiatic level that:
We are the children of the dragons of the sea,
uplifted from the matrix of Nothosaurus mirabilis,
refined by the fire of the seraphim,
and shaped by the Elohim, the space gardeners who made us—within this worldview—in their own draconic, luminous image and likeness.



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