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Mike
20th June 2025, 17:41
This is a fascinating interview! This guy Nathaniel Gillis offers an almost scholarly presentation of all things paranormal, and like my hero John Keel suggests that almost all paranormal phenomena are manifestations of the same force assuming a different avatar. But he takes it several steps further by suggesting ritual magic is the common pathology, and Ufology is merely a front for initiation. And he gets into things I've never even heard of (entities leaving secretions and sigils?). The interview is so expansive and highly strange that I don't even know how to describe it, so I'll just copy and paste the little blurb and time stamps.
If you think you've heard it all, you haven't!:). This is an investment in time (about one and half hours) but entirely worth it. You won't be sorry.
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Nathaniel Gillis is a religious demonologist and author known for his unique perspectives on paranormal phenomena. Drawing from personal experiences, including living in a haunted house which spurred two decades of research, Gillis seeks to redefine the nature of hauntings, ghosts, and high strangeness. He is the founder of Preternatural Epiphenomenal Philosophy and has authored books such as "A Moment Called Man." Gillis often explores the intersection of demonology with other unexplained phenomena, including UFOs and alien encounters, suggesting a common underlying source for these varied experiences. He is recognized for his concept of the demonic: "The reason they are playing by different rules is because they are playing a different game."
0:00 Intro
1:14 Introducing Nathaniel Gillis and Necronetics
1:45 UFO abductions linked to occult ritual magic
2:32 Singular intelligence behind archetypes
3:30 Ritual magic as the common pathology
4:22 Entities leave secretions and sigils
5:13 Physical insemination and hybridism
6:10 Embodied practitioners performing chaos magic
9:29 Necronetics: genetics and necromancy
10:23 Modern cases of bio-sigilization
13:40 Entities manipulate perception (observer effect)
16:06 Collapsing into various archetypes
17:38 Remote viewer's guides revealed as "sorcerers"
22:56 Scientific conclusion: entities demand worship
25:29 Why entities demand worship
26:47 The control matrix: threats and harm to researchers
33:41 Theory: embodied initiates create physiological constructs
42:54 Methods of deception and identity diversification
47:06 Entities induce trance states and feed on fear
53:27 CE5 as entity-initiated contact
57:26 Apparitions are projections from orbs
1:03:29 Consciousness as currency, soul extraction
1:08:59 Spiritual rules, trauma as a portal
1:18:22 Ufology as a front for initiation
CRMdPmTFIAE
Victoria
20th June 2025, 19:21
Mike- YES- from almost everything we (my family and I) have experienced, and what I have heard him so far say (about 40% through listening) is fully supported in my own experiences. I have had the sigils appear on my skin
and had a related experience happen a few days ago (I will try to post video of in this space asap)..which feels very synchronous to you posting this. Thank you for sharing!
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Two days before you posted this, we passed a young person collapsed on the sidewalk. One might easily have missed him, a small pile of black clothing obscured behind roadside weeds. Backed by a wall and some trees, he was centered directly across from a church.
We were visiting Santa Fe on the east side, which is generally considered the nice end of town. There aren't typically any problems with homeless people or drug use in that particular area, and for the most part, not visibly in the tourist sections of Santa Fe. It's primarily a walking, hippie art market and summer tourist haven, so seeing a crumpled body on the sidewalk stood out in an obvious way.
Lovingly known as the City of Holy Faith, it is considered by many locals to be "incomparable" and uniquely spiritual. I have heard it be referenced as the latest "Sedona." Lots of new agey woo and UFO lore. Though Santa Fe has one of the darkest underbellies of any US town I have been to, going back to the 90s, that's not something visitors and tourists likely ever witness or encounter.
Anyway, as we passed I had an overwhelming feeling that something..not someone, but "something" wanted us to see...to stop. It was bumper to bumper rush hour traffic.
There used to be an adage when I was little that followed the ethos of, "be kind to others, you may not recognize the person who comes to your door asking for a hand"...or you may not be aware when you are actually helping an angel.
(Hebrews 13:2: "Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.")
...and that's what came to mind as we drove by.
I circled around and began wondering out loud what had happened. A stabbing? Gun shot? Probably Fentanyl... or maybe heat stroke? I hoped he wasn't dead.
Frustratingly, there was too much traffic and we couldn't just stop. So I circled again. And again...and again.
My partner finally realized we were making strange maneuvers and asked why.
"I want to help that person."
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"What person? There's nobody there."
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"Yes, yes, there is someone there, right there on the right hand side, watch as we approach- there, in the center of the sidewalk...he's right there."
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"There's nobody there!"
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We circled again... and again and then finally saw him and stopped, holding up the never ending line of cars behind us.
My partner called out to him, tried to rouse him, and predictably got no response.
So we pulled over at the next road to walk back. As we did, someone else pulled over to check on us (!).... ...but not the man on the sidewalk.
100s of cars passed him, but nobody pulled over for the body lying on the ground.
The young woman parked in front of us, jumped out of her SUV that was plastered with colorful "save" animals, pro-human rights mottoes and bumper stickers to see if we needed help. She was frantically assistive.
"Are you okay? Is there anything I can do to help you? Are you having car trouble? What's going on? Do you want me to call for help?" :heart: Bless her kind heart.
"No, no...we're fine"...I motioned behind me. "We're stopping to check on the kid over there." She walked around my car with me to see him as my partner was already bending over by his side.
"OHhhh- that's so scary! Do you want me to call police?" (Scary??) No, no...I assure her everything's okay, we've got it, we're fine, it's broad daylight...we'll call an ambulance and see what he needs. Gave each other a hug and many thanks. Off she goes.
As I turn around from saying goodbye to walk over and see what transpired, my partner is high stepping it back to our vehicle. Puzzled, I see the young man sitting up and looking towards us, but still mostly halved in a heap on the ground.
"What happened, is he okay?"
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"Get in the car"
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"But...what happened? Let me call the hospital.. he needs help."
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"No, no...get back in the car. He doesn't need any help"
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(WHAT??? Of course he needs help... I don't understand.) "I'm calling the ambulance."
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"He doesn't need help- he's fine! He's just fine! He's fine..he's fine..he's fine...DRIVE!"
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Okay. WEIRD. It's not making any sense. We pulled over to help him. He's clearly not okay. Obviously not fine.
We're first responders, what is going on? This feels crazy and wrong!!!... umpteen overdoses, suicide attempts, domestic violence calls, drunkards, 10-58/5150 holds, live fire, toxic explosive structure fires, etc... and he never just walked away. My partner's response is troubling and out of character.
I look back toward what appears to be an early 20s (or possibly late teens) young man, trying to compose himself, staring after us and I have the distinct impression he's not "nobody."
What a weird thought to have...
So, I begin to walk toward him and am immediately stopped by two hands on my shoulders.
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"He doesn't need our help...he's coming out of whatever that was. He'll be fine. Just get in the car."
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Ok..? ok...but I don't understand. I get back in the car totally, utterly confused...and pull slowly into traffic feeling a swell of emotion and sadness. I don't typically cry..but tears fell for the man/the boy/the person who was clearly not alright.. poor soul who we were just leaving there, alone. Nothing made sense. Was he in trouble?
"Why don't you want me to call someone?"
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My partner was stony silent on the way home. No rational answers.
"No stopping the car- just drive."
He didn't want me to call anyone. No ambulance. No medics. No police. No filing of any report, not even with friends to check on the guy. It did not make ANY sense.
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At 2:30 a.m. the night before you posted, which was two nights after we left that person in the middle of the sidewalk, my partner woke me up. He couldn't sleep. He's wide alert and restless.
"They were black."
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"What? What are you talking about?"
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"His eyes. His eyes were black."
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"Whose eyes?"
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"The kid."
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"What do you mean?"
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"I mean he had no white in his eyes..he looked at me and his eyes were black. No contacts. I don't know what was happening. Maybe it was drugs...drugs made his eyes black."
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"Could they have been bloody? like veins burst? Did he have brown eyes that you couldn't see fully? Because fentanyl and opioids tend to cause pinpoint pupils, they don't dilate. No drug I am aware of dilates the pupil to blacken the entire eye."
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"NO- they were black- entirely black. Not brown eyes. Black! His eyes were big. He opened them wide and he looked right at me and I don't know what I was seeing...they were all black."
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Okay, now it makes more sense...
"Is that why you left so quickly? Is that why you wouldn't let me call for assistance?"
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"Yeah, I don't know what that was. What was it? they were black-black with no distinction between the parts of his eye- what drug does that?" ..."Like, he was looking at me and I don't know what was looking at me."
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"You don't think it could have been contacts? or scleral tattoos? Was he a goth kid? ...he was wearing black... was he a gangster? There are a lot of south american members in death cults these days who go out of their way to make themselves look scary... "
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"No, not that kid. He didn't have money, he was plain..he wasn't a gangster...3rd or 4th generation, clean, no tattoos, no jewelry. He had an innocent but worn face..like he wasn't old- but his face looked old...something was off- it's like he wasn't there in his eyes- he was coming off being high or he was empty- or something...he was trying to come back. He couldn't see me clearly. He was opening his eyes really REALLY wide to see me and there was no white! His whole eyes were black except the corners near the skin and he was having a hard time seeing."
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"With contacts and tattoos you still can see color...the iris, the lines- his eyes were all black with no distinction, there was no distinction in the bright daylight"
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"So, don't you think that's exactly the kind of person who would need help? Don't you think we should have helped him or called somebody else to assist?"
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"No, I didn't know what I was looking at- I didn't want to involve anyone else."
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"You mean like possession?"
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"Yeah...but he was coming out of it...he was coming back, he was on his way back...we stopped. That's what mattered."
:( https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129898-How-many-Avalonians-have-unexpectedly-encountered-a-person-with-completely-black-eyes&p=1674710&viewfull=1#post1674710
Having spoken with a man while he had uniformly black/darkest brown eyes (no whites) who I now know for a fact was not wearing contacts at the time and happened to be in the throes of despair on that day his mother died, I believe someone or something else was likely also peering through the young man in Santa Fe.
Whether drugs had been the doorway, or some other sort of anguish that left him wide open/vulnerable ... he may have been in a darkest personal valley, peering back through himself.
I don't know if these things happen to people due to our emotional extremes, or substance abuse, or physical and mental illness, or just from being worn down through the constant bombardment of negative influences surrounding us...but I do know that we can literally be used and possessed and I think it has something to do with (misleading the public about) disclosure.
So your post of Nathaniel Gillis really struck me...it was more than ironic timing.
The short dialogue that had occurred between my partner and the young man is interesting considering how frightened and caught off-guard my partner was. He's seen a lot...it shouldn't have unnerved him this much... and yet, he's still very shaken.
Facing the "other" viewing us from inside a fellow human is paradigm shifting...and the theories that Mr. Gillis has developed and shared, fit.
I'm certain that much of what we know as separate entities and phenomena are related, if not the very same source.
As Gillis says,
“It's a masquerade…in order to evade our detections, it will diversify its identity in our eyes.”
...Based on my own experience, and realizing several people near to us have witnessed the black eye phenomenon, this kind of thing must be happening more often and I'm guessing the frequency will likely increase in the years ahead. I think that the more strife, lack of balance and declining health in humanity as a whole, the more laid bare and susceptible we are.
I feel that "love and light" is what we need to extend to one another and our earthly cohabitants who suffer like we do. It is not something we should extend blithely to beings with an advantage, who historically appear to seek to manipulate us or harness our energy.
I appreciated Gillis' analogy of the rationale in CE5 seeming a bit absurd. "... or Hannibal Lecter for that matter, Hey Hannibal, Nice tie! I'm a very nice guy, therefore you've got to be a very nice guy to me..." (after 53:56)
To think being a good person will protect you seems absolutely foolish (to me) and the mistake of a few influential individuals in believing that should not compromise the well-being of humanity.
If the bible is correct, we are none of us perfectly good or without sin..and perhaps it is that original "sin," or our own "sinful" choices in this life which allow us to be further corrupted and co-opted by them, as though we sign an agreement to participate by the value of our decisions. (?)
We need to be much more cautious and aware.
Many people do not seem to be cognizant or care that we are living in/through literal physical vessels which can be used by others and without permission, especially if we are caught unsuspecting. Perhaps, we give permissions in the course of our lives through naivete and being misled without realizing what that entails.
I feel like there is an imperative to set well-defined boundaries and arm ourselves and our hearts with as much knowledge, truth and love for one another as possible in order to help other humans do the same...to protect the entire human family.
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What happened in Santa Fe to the young man reminded us both of our experiences there in 2014... which we gradually began to consider as demonic activity.
After having a really difficult time with the situation we were facing and subsequent to reaching a peak in the amount of supernatural and preternatural activity we could comfortably/sanely deal with, we put all of our energy into moving, cutting ALL ties (again) and taking care of ourselves by going after the most simple and hopefully wholesome things we had always wanted to do in an act of defiant self preservation and healing.
That period of time leading up to 2014 is a subject we try to avoid because bad things start happening like clockwork when we think about it, come to new insights, talk about it or write about it. This is where our experiences connect to what Gillis speaks of.
We have learned that a person, or family member, or even animals close to us will inevitably have a sudden emergency or die if I put too much energy into the subject at any point. Within moments to hours.
Electronics start behaving oddly: the stove and washing machine turn on and off by themselves across the room with little melodic notes that signify the start and end of their cycles all at once, repeatedly. New appliances stop working permanently. The power goes out. Breakers trip. Lights flicker. Animals misbehave. It becomes an instant and impossible to ignore circus.
Everything in the house begins to cause a ruckus of distraction. Dogs who were sleeping peacefully all morning get into sudden unprovoked fights, have seizures, or start howling and whining. Well behaved, spoiled cats that were minding their own business will randomly attack each other and us. Rabbits begin thumping like a threat is near. The barnyard creatures outside can't be silenced. Everything gets really stressful, really fast.
Similar to canaries in a coal mine, our animals act as sentries letting us know something is building up. It's that same sensation before an intense electrical storm but less unified.
You can feel the chaos energy flooding in when it happens. It's tangible. It affects everything in the vicinity. It creates a cacophony of negative mounting static surrounding you. A wave of ill will rising.
The reason that is important to mention is because of how it happens.
The mechanism of chaos flooding seems to mirror the same way a predatory instinct can take over and infiltrate perfectly normal, previously uninvolved people causing them to respond to targeted individuals in sudden and brash, uncharacteristic manners- like an invisible wave of contagion or viral emotion pulsing through- causing them to react, to pounce, on anyone in the vicinity or do mean things they wouldn't normally take part in. To hate, or mob and punish without pause or logic.
There's a spiritual negative energy afoot that can swiftly sweep through living bodies, completely unchecked, unexpected and unnoticed by people. A current that has the potential to change everything in an instant. It also made me think we are all potential targets by our interest in the subject matter, be it ufology, the paranormal or magical practices, as Gillis says, "baiting our gaze."
We saw those things happen in 2014 and the same energy builds as soon as we place any focus on the topic now. As though both are influenced by the same hands: unseen forces moving to change perspectives and control/enforce circumstances.
I've been trying for the longest time to put words to what we experienced then and which we learned to recognize as it begins to happen.
Gillis does an excellent job of describing and creating the terminology to identify what occurs.Chaos energy directed by invisible practitioners. Initiates.
Where our attention goes, energy flows...but how often is our energy and intent being diverted or inverted? For years, I also attempted to figure out if something else is working through me. Do I have an attachment through which when I pour energy into something, the exact opposite of my intent happens and my energy is somehow used for a different purpose?
If I pray with my whole heart for something good, the exact opposite will instantaneously manifest. It has happened often enough, to the point that I stopped praying for fear of harming people or causing the worst outcome possible, despite what is in my heart and mind.
It felt like my intentions and energy were being misappropriated and commandeered by someone or something else, but I could not determine exactly how.
For a moment, I even questioned whether who we have been taught to think of as God/Source may be the opposite, but then realized it is more likely that my connection, perception and energy have been intercepted somehow...steered in a malicious way. It happened with hideous effect in a number of instances, before I started to put the pieces together.
That seems to be one logical dark motive for hijacking someone's energies: not only to groom them as a person toward a desired cultivation/outcome, but to violatingly manipulate their energies into manifesting much different outcomes than they would intend using the intensity of a clash in personalities; and the bonus byproduct of severing their direct connection to God/origin/source by sowing doubt, distrust and frustration. The same as hijacking thoughts. The intent would be to derail and repurpose energetic flow.
It is exactly what I feel is behind sigils being put into and on abductees and experiencers. Apparently, the designs don't have to be ornate.
Sigils are inscribed energetically in your living sphere and body using the combined frequency of biological excretions and intention (because the power is imbued in the sigils during peak moments of energy and extreme focus, such as at the climax of sexual release, trauma or emotional outflow in other acute states) intending the associated convergence of substance, symbol and purpose to be a form of ritual binding and portalled access to a victim's/target's being and energy.
The presence of sigils in ufology cases and abductions combined with the crosscurrent of those that are used or found in cases of possessions, demonology and witchcraft are crucial to acknowledge. "Conscious mind can read, but your subconscious mind operates on symbols." Installing sigils serves to bind the intent of another imperceptible individual to your mind and spiritual energy, as well as to steer your physical life force and mental orientation in a remotely accessible way.
If our souls are being sigilized as well, it would have ramifications beyond this life.
That might imply a human is hijacking/programming you, or another kind of entity entirely. Regardless, acknowledging this provides an avenue of exposure and a chance to develop protection.
Knowledge is power. Light needs to shine on this aspect to protect humanity...to back engineer the spells and discover the sources and intent behind them. Cui bono?
Maybe all of humanity has been sigilized and we just don't know it. That might have everything to do with the control structure here: keeping our memories, intuition and intellect subdued.
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"A chaos magic sigil is different from these historic sigils because we’re not calling upon any particular spirit. Instead we are using a personal intention or goal to formulate and charge a custom symbol." -https://www.arcane-alchemy.com/blog/2020/3/25/how-to-make-a-sigil-witchcraft-101
"Chaos magic builds on the writings of Austin Osman Spare and in opposition to ritual dogma emphasizes that "nothing is true, everything is permitted". Unlike other, more culturally prominent magical practices such as Wicca or neo-paganism, chaos magic does not advocate any kind of religious belief, but merely provides magical technologies. Belief systems are considered as technologies, and as a result any kind of symbolism may be used as long as belief can be invested into it. As a system of pure techniques, the emphasis of chaos magic is placed in the embrace of all technologies.
Chaos magic explains itself through the language of quantum theory and perceives reality as a field of superimposed probability waves. Events have been observed in the subatomic quantum domain that belie concepts such as time and cause and effect. Carroll argues that quantum theory provides an endearing basis for a magical paradigm (Carroll, 1990)." -http://scan.net.au/scan/journal/display.php?journal_id=35
"If we are artificial intelligence programs, living in a virtual reality, then we should be capable of evolving a program feature that allows us to hack into the system control computer and reprogram things to our own benefit. A successful piece of hacking would be undetected by the system and would remain uncorrected. Sometimes an error caused by hacking may be corrected, but not before the ripples of its effect have caused the world to head in a subtly different direction. This is exactly how most magicians argue magic works." (Frater M, 1999)
"Sigils:
Generally simpler and more abstract
Can be any shape, often freeform
Represent a specific intention or desire
Often created by the practitioner for personal use
Typically composed of lines and basic geometric shapes"
-https://www.magickandwitchcraft.com/post/signs-symbols-seals-and-sigils-what-is-the-difference (https://www.magickandwitchcraft.com/post/signs-symbols-seals-and-sigils-what-is-the-difference")
Mike
20th June 2025, 20:37
Mike- YES- from almost everything we (my family and I) have experienced, and what I have heard him so far say (about 40% through listening) is fully supported in my own experiences. I have had the sigils appear on my skin
and had a related experience happen a few days ago (I will try to post video of in this space asap)..which feels very synchronous to you posting this. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for the confirmation Victoria:thumbsup:
If you get an opportunity, would you mind describing those sigels? Were you able to identify them and assess their meaning?
Once I began listening to this guy, I just knew he was getting close to something. I won't pretend to know how close he is, but it sure feels like he's nudging us a little closer to the wizard behind the curtain. I'm getting ready to listen to the interview a second time. It just feels really important to me.
I dunno, I'm just going thru this weird quasi religious awakening, and all these puzzle pieces are falling into my lap. It's a strange time!:). I'll never be a good Catholic - I'm far too weird and unorthodox! - but I feel like I'm becoming a version of one, which is why I think Gillis appeals to me so much. Anyway, I have great respect for your views on these things, so I appreciate you chiming in.
Gemma13
21st June 2025, 06:34
I think you've found a research-based argument there Mike, that demands we take a serious look at whether we’ve been hoodwinked with our spiritual playgrounds, excursions into love and light realms, forays into the astral, and aspirations for an off-world vacation aboard Zananda’s mother ship. Oh, and the occult with all the seductive sorcery coupled to the psychic summoning of dead Aunty Flo.
My early influences in life were psychics, white witches, Shirley MacLaine, the Seth Material, Indian religions, alien gurus, and so on. In other words, everything New Agey. Little did I know that not only would I never find solutions within this movement for the demonic oppression and interference I’ve been coping with since childhood, but for decades, I would be fortifying its foothold.
And that, my friend, was a punch in the gut like no other because this wasn’t just about me. If I were truly serious about the woes of humanity, I had to take a blade to everything I once had great affection for. And not just to scratch the surface. I had to gouge deep to find the true origins of my love affair with everything spiritual. And it wasn’t pretty.
I find Gillis’ revelations from his research to be in line with John Keel’s remarkable evidence: demonic entities are at the heart of the paranormal, the spiritual, chimeras/creatures, and ufology.
Gillis talks about balls of light appearing—orbs—that weaponize the observer into seeing an archetype, or avatar, or spirit guide, or creature, or dead relative, depending on the flavour of the trickster contact: fear or seduction. When cameras were set up to capture footage of the image a person’s gaze was being baited into seeing, the film captured an orb where the apparition would be.
Keel also documents this extensively—light shows preceding the emergence of creatures and other beings. “I had stood on those distant hills and watched those wretched bouncing lights mock me.” (John Keel)
It’s interesting to correlate this with holograms. Michael Jackson can appear on stage today and perform for a crowded audience, and if you didn’t know the man died years ago, you could be forgiven for thinking he was the real deal. Much the same as not being able to see Michael Jackson’s projectionist, we can’t see the projectionist for paranormal activity, but evidence suggests the lights are where the control mechanism-tech is streaming from.
Gillis kinda expands on Keel with his observer effect theory, meaning the observer influences visual detail. But it can all be reconciled in Keel’s work because Keel documented the similarities and differences of phenomena witnessed at the same time by multiple people.
The theory Gillis puts forth is that we may not have been studying aliens and ghosts and Bigfoot and so on; we’ve been studying trickster lights with sophisticated deceptions and endless allurement, with an overarching primal ancient intelligence that seeks to be seen and worshipped—in other words, the known demonic realm just got a whole lot bigger.
There’s so much more here, of course. The ability to know personal stuff about us that no one could know and prophesying stuff that comes true. The ability to instill absolute fear or worship, or obsession, or hate, with a fixation on being worshiped. Again, it’s all the stuff that comes straight out of the demonic playbook that has been exhaustively documented for centuries by researchers in the field.
Incidentally, we know that hate, for example, can be generated by pulses of light.
“When electricity is sent surging though the medial hypothalamus of a cat, it can send the cat into a snarling, spitting, clawing rage that looks for all the world like a toddler having a tantrum, [or a demon-my insert]—but only if there is another living creature in the cat’s environment. Rage, even electrically generated rage, needs a target.
The same phenomenon has been demonstrated more recently using a much more precise technique, called optogenetics, in which the DNA of neurons is manipulated to make them fire in response to pulses of light. … Optogenetic triggering of neurons within the medial hypothalamus of a mouse will similarly cause it to launch coordinated, rageful attacks against other mice, or even a wiggly rubber glove. But if the cage is empty when the light pulses – no aggression.” The Fear Factor by Abigail Marsh
To find out what the hell is going on, even if the only result is getting some relief, I’ve been busy stripping back everything I’ve been indoctrinated with over the years. Time-consuming and challenging, to say the least, but in doing so, I can start again using one sigil, one word—Jesus. Hence, the thread I recently started which I’ll build on over time.
Oh, and speaking of sigils and secretions. King Soloman is said to have been a bit of a dickhead back in the day. Unable to control lust, he ditched his faith in God, married an exorbitant number of women, and proceeded to build altars to all their Gods. Some say he was the inception of the 72 sigils of demon princes used by magicians and the like.
Be fascinating to hear back from Victoria on her sigils.
And secretions, they’re fairly standard in case studies of possession.
Mike
21st June 2025, 13:05
Gemma, Wow what an excellent post:muscle: That's all like straight out of my head. It's easy for me to superimpose my journey onto yours, so reading you is something of a revelation for me. And it's a reassuring confirmation too.
Maybe the strongest evidence for the unified paranormal theory (with a demonic source for most if not all of it) is Skinwalker Ranch. It's just such a highly improbable buffet table of paranormal activity that one almost can't help but conclude that it's all the same thing masquerading as many things. I mean, there's orbs, alien craft, poltergeist activity, portals, disembodied voices, haunted ranch shelters, cryptids, and f'in extinct animals like the dire wolf and some kinda velociraptor type creature that vanished after getting shot and falling out of a tree (and leaving a single footprint in the ground). What are the chances all these things are happening at the same time and place if they all represent separate phenomena?? I say just about zero.
Since you mentioned Keel, he documents his experiences in the Ohio Valley in the 60's in the classic book The Mothman Prophecies, for those that don't know.. and that area was like Skinwalker Ranch long before Skinwalker Ranch. Of course there are other places like this out there too. And they all strongly suggest the same thing and support the unified paranormal theory.
"I had stood on those hills and watched those wretched lights mocking me." What a great line! (Fun fact: Keel was a novelist as a young man).
Gemma13
21st June 2025, 14:12
Gemma, Wow what an excellent post:muscle: That's all like straight out of my head. It's easy for me to superimpose my journey onto yours, so reading you is something of a revelation for me. And it's a reassuring confirmation too.
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That's cool. Weird, but cool. Thing is, if I was told less than a year ago that I would abandon everything spiritual to seriously check out the exclusive power of Jesus I would've politely responded with a little Uh-huh eye roll. But when I started seriously studying demonology and then found it spliced into Keel's work, (which was prompted by your thread btw), oh boy, it made so much sense.
I wonder now how spiritual liberation of all the infestations at particular locations could come about without supercharged divine intervention. Not sure there's enough exorcists on the planet yet for that.
Kryztian
23rd June 2025, 22:52
Thanks for this one Mike!
I have never heard of this phenomena of sigils mysteriously appearing on the skin or other parts of the body, either by those demonically possessed or in alien abductions. Do you have any info about that?
I also cross posted this to the Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit) where this would belong if it didn't deserve it's own thread.
Mike
24th June 2025, 00:10
Thanks for this one Mike!
I have never heard of this phenomena of sigils mysteriously appearing on the skin or other parts of the body, either by those demonically possessed or in alien abductions. Do you have any info about that?
I also cross posted this to the Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit) where this would belong if it didn't deserve it's own thread.
Thanks for the crosspost Chris:thumbsup:.
As far as sigils and secretions, this is all kind of new to me. I thought sigils appearing on the skin was something that only happened in the movies. I'm just a lay researcher, but I've been around this stuff a pretty long time and I've never heard any credible testimony about this sort of thing until recently. Earlier in thread, Victoria mentions experiencing this firsthand, so it is actually happening.
Kryztian
24th June 2025, 00:25
Same here. I have been around these topics for a while, but there is always more to learn. Hopefully, we will not learn these things from first hand experience. :fingers crossed: Usually with abductees one hears about implants and scoop marks.
Delight
24th June 2025, 04:33
I am enjoying the thread a lot because this is where I have been focusing. Nathaniel Gillis strted his research from the POV of possession and exorcism. He began to notice that the tools for exorcism like holy water and using the name of Jesus Christ failed to effect the "entities". he seems to have honed in on something which reconciles all the various expressions of a "Phenomenon" that we do not "see" as it masks itself in the projections of humans who encounter it.
The idea that there is a continuity or gradation of "physicality" to the Phenomenon speaks to me of energy/frequency matching with the Observer. Gillis is using quantum science ideas to model the Phenomenon's "interaction" with the 3D environment.
I am fascinated with his supposition that the Phenomenon seeks to incarnate through human beings. What if there are disincarnate "minds" which are trying to be embodied. He actually sees altars, rituals and the insistence on worship to be a magical technology. It makes sense to me that Sorcery, Pharmakeia and the INVERSION itself (with anti-life technology) are evidence of an antihuman ANTI LIFE "mind".
We MUST NOT cooperate with the mind control that seeks to "win over" our imagination. The messages of the thought field are seeking to take over (as the beast). Think about how tightly people have held onto "the latest thing" despite its OBVIOUS (to those who are not controled) insane evil. OUR cooperation with the anti LIFE agenda means IMO we will capitulate and INVITE the Phenomenon to "live in us".
People keep saying we must awaken to who we are. As we awaken and begin to question and seek "answers", IMO the Phenomenon can incorporate our POV and feed us confirmation. We have no idea what the spiritual realm is and see it only as it touches our 3D/4D experience. Our every day beliefs become more and more bundled into new Egregores. What I see is impinging from the "spirit" is ASTRAL>>> created by human "connection". As Paranormal activity happens more and more, we have any number of ways to abdicate OUR soul presence HERE under its pressure. I feel strongly that we have massive Egregore of thought form all weaponized against us. Trans"life"....artifice of death.
The way I am approaching these inklings is to use my sovereign free will to repudiate this Mind control. I have a personal experience where I FELT the war between True LIFE (Source) and Death (Sorcery). I felt a gut disgust of attempting to manipulate energy. Our energy is our life force and is replenished by SOURCE when we allign with LIFE, not death. WE must stop vampirism in its ordinary guises.
It happened as I was watching Alien Kabbala by Chris Eberhard.
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It hit me in the pit of my gut because I felt the EVIL of taking life force of others. I had deep insight into my own participation in evil. I repudiated any connection to sorcery. It seemed that in some realm there were horrifically evil magicians instilling our beliefs in such things as "holy" sacrifice. I could see myself worshipping in my way, Idols LIKE IDEAS divorced form embodiment. I decided to avoid all that could be a conduit. Magic and esoteric ideas may be a "tool" from NHI to seek our cooperation. Models and maps are not the TERRITORY.
I was deathly ill all night and slept on the floor next to the commode, alternating between torturous pain and vomiting. This lasted until THE BIRDS BEGAN SINGING at dawn. Then it was OVER.
IMO we are susceptible to the wiles of a NHI that seeks to destroy the connection THAT IS REAL with God here in matter.
From then ON I knew that though I do not understand what this is ALL about, it has something to do with the DIFFERENCE between accessing SOURCE energy and Sorcery. The sorcery is a dead end.
I started FEELING the Presence I call the Unknown God. It is NOT a mental relationship. I am FULLY willing to allow this LIFE into my experience. I have my spirit rope and I am not encountering the Phenomenon in my experience. I am curious about the Presence sense and my repudiation of "manipulating energy". Why would anyone ever "take" what is freely given? OUR Disconnect is the crux of our dilemma.
Delight
24th June 2025, 20:09
This space was very useful for hearing the predictable progression that may happen when ignorantly approaching the Phenomenon. There is no innocent entanglement.
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Mike
24th June 2025, 20:28
Thanks Maggie, that's an excellent synopsis of the video right there.
I too had an experience of what felt like the war between life and death, or source and sorcery as you've called it. It happened when I was a boy, and it's always been a great source of frustration and mystery for me. But the framework here provided by Gillis has been very helpful. It's kind of a lattice or undergirding structure, the result being I can arrange the seemingly disparate parts of the event into some kind of cohesive order. And that's reassuring, because now I feel like I have some kind of control.
Your process is very interesting. I'm in the process of coming up with my own process, or inoculation, or whatever. Still a ways off maybe, but moving in the right direction.
Victoria
27th June 2025, 22:45
Mike & Gemma,
Thank you! Sorry this took so long.
The sigils, (and I think that's what they were, having had to look up the precise and various definitions of sigils to be sure they could include simplistic shapes) looked like combinations of symbols that would appear on my skin spontaneously in the form of really odd bruises (star shaped, four point, circular with lines), or spontaneous cuts to my skin in patterns that I could not explain and did not make or have any memory of injuring myself to cause, plus fluorescent (or phosphorescent? https://pyrofarms.com/blogs/pyrofarms-blue-light-special/the-difference-between-phosphorescence-fluorescence-and-bioluminescence) markings that would appear in very simple shapes (predominantly triangles, but also circles, multiple sequences of lines, dot arrays, and sometimes it looked like somebody poured a glowing liquid all over my legs and body allowing the liquid to run down my skin which seemed to match his description of secretions) and would all appear suddenly, lasting for days to months.
It would be great to see examples of the sigils Mr. Gillis is referencing. There is apparently a difference between Chaos magic sigils and historically used sigils. I never have found out what mine meant, though I've tried to research all the various occultic meanings of those particular geometric forms.
One appeared to be an actual signature (my name) that looked like a scrape, but had not broken the skin or caused any inflammation/pain, as though it appeared from within. I woke up with it after a very distinct dream and meteor sighting, it lasted for three days without change, and then disappeared completely.
No amount of scrubbing, washing, abrading or disinfecting my skin would remove these things or cause further marks to appear.
We experimented a lot trying to make similar marks without any luck. One can apply highlighters, bleach, olive oil and turmeric to make various UV glowing hues on the skin, but those also show up on skin vividly during the day, don't last as long and are almost impossible to apply in any set shape with any permanence of form sans extreme bleeding of the color.
One triangle near my left ankle would fade, diffuse and disappear completely only to reemerge even brighter, repeatedly for many months. I checked shoes/boots, clothing and everything I might be leaning on or rubbing against, to no avail.
We investigated our laundry, our soaps and shampoos, our bedding, our diets and anything we came in contact with to be sure nothing we could control was causing strange reactions on and in our skin. The cycles of when the symbols would appear coinciding with electrical malfunctions, computer and phone mishaps, appliances catching on fire, or power surges and other strange things, led us both to realize something more was involved surrounding us, not just on or within us.
These marks would all appear while (or immediately after) having vivid dreams, sudden migraines, sightings of orbs and UFOs, apparent meteors over our house, or during encounters with what we perceived to be the paranormal. Literally, the only times that symbols would appear on our skin were concurrent to sightings and odd experiences, often with other physical effects (things falling off the walls, animals being injured, loud knocking in the house, windows and doors flying open, security locks malfunctioning, screens being ripped off windows-yet nothing on the cameras, electrical interference and anomalies-- almost what could be considered mild poltergeist/haunting activity.)
So hearing Gillis connect the two (paranormal/demonology to ufology) had me nodding for everything except a couple of points.
(Those two points: Demanding worship (or an experiencer to bow first) doesn't seem like an invitation- it's a demand and contract- if accepted.
I also don't see the mutual benefit to what he calls "symbiosis." What do we depend on or need them for? This, to me is more asymmetrical power and ability; it's a parasitic (being potentially parasitoid in nature, depending upon whether we comply), manipulating/violating/ infringing relationship in which they, whoever they are, wield the brunt of capability, knowledge and control. That just doesn't seem symbiotic to me. Gillis even acknowledges at one point that we are struggling for not minutes, but mere seconds of awareness and control. )
I was so concerned when we initially noticed what was happening to us, that I reached out to various researchers. A man named Dr. Richard Bonenfant (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard-Bonenfant) recommended that I make notes and record everything possible. So, we set up cameras in the bedroom and at work, purchased black lights, emf meters, Geiger counters, and various other instruments trying to "catch" the phenomena. We made it a habit for a few years to check our skin regularly and document anything that was strange.
To be very honest, the more we became interested and looked for signs, the more we found. So, Gillis' observations and theory of utilizing and weaponizing the observer effect also made really good sense. Often we've been side by side and witnessed two completely different phenomena occurring during what should have been a single, mutually interpreted event.
He talks about initiates using chaos magic to access people. Well, then we need to become true adepts in deciphering and knowing what is happening, what is being used against and tethered to us, and all that it entails in order to protect ourselves and the rest humanity.
I won't pretend to know how close he is, but it sure feels like he's nudging us a little closer to the wizard behind the curtain." I agree! These might be the same beings who are posing as different gods or demons to cover the gamut of possible worship points; the same beings ensuring conflict and divide amongst humanity to produce a steady supply of intense negative energy (their usage of us being intensive and trans-epochal).
* Just a note that intense negative emotion activates our adrenals and fight or flight, which causes us to react or powerfully emit our energy outward and can cause a frenzy and fear in people around us, whereas, extreme happiness and positive emotion instead tends to quell energetic outflow, being more inward encompassing and gently radiating. It doesn't trigger the same arousal or dramatic expression/contagion of volatile energy in others. It seems obvious that there is a difference in quality and quantity of the two and one type of energy might be more easily harvested, or preferred, by beings who are not opposed to lies and manipulation.
Publishing, in one location, for readers to discuss and compare the research papers that were written which resulted in deaths of the authors might be a great start to arming ourselves!
"I'm far too weird and unorthodox" Well, you and me, both! and probably a considerable portion of Avalon! :sun:
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A folder labeled "Evidence" with our collection of this type of thing seems to be deleted from this computer.
In it, there was a picture which would be perfect here. It was also submitted to the moderator chat logs several years ago, but is no longer available there.
** I will post it and other examples illustrating similarly, as I find them .**
"https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/541826576946561035/710884948369997914/strange.jpg---
This content is no longer available."
The specific photo in mind showed a manifestation of something on my skin which resembled crudely handwritten capital letters. It looked like text that had been scratched into my skin without actually breaking or irritating the dermal layers.
As though the name had been somehow marked from the inside, legible if someone was standing in front, just below my left clavicle like an identification tag.
Below is a portion of the correlated conversation from chat logs on discord:
"Victoria Today at 9:57 AM
This is completely off subject, but have you (or anyone here) heard of situations where people wake up with symbols on their skin, outside of abduction cases? we've been having interesting occurrences of weirdness start back up recently and I've been hesitant to post until I can figure out what is actually happening and also because everything going on in the world right now is infinitely more important...
this one appeared after a strange dream and very distinctly looked like my name...or at least the V and IA at the ends, just under my left clavicle- like a name tag ... I know it kind of looks like a scrape but it happened in the course of four hours sleep with no bruising, elevation, perforation, no scraping/breaking/itching/inflammation or soreness in the area or the skin...lasted for three days without any fading or variation and then disappeared as suddenly as it appeared, without a trace...
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Looks like a lovely little signature, Victoria ...
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@Victoria , any weirdness the night it appeared? Vivid dreams.. astral adventure?
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What sort of strange dream if you feel you can share? No worries if not..
Victoria Today at 10:25 AM
oh, sure! That night, I had just seen an extremely slow-moving brilliant peacock green and cherry red meteor while driving home. So I went to bed quite excited...then had a dream that I was in a very dilapidated city on the upper east coast of the US (somewhere like virginia? or maryland?) that was in a very sad state, like a post apocolyptic scene of total neglect and disarray. I looked into the window of an apartment, everything was a mess inside and my rabbit ( one that died last year almost to the date after 12 happy years) was pulling itself across the floor as though it was injured...blood was on the carpet and trash and clothes were everywhre, so I opened the door to get him and was shocked to find my sister sitting in the corner on the carpet behind the door -appearing to have had a complete mental breakdown, just falling apart and dysfunctional... it was a very weird dream...definitely not my normal
VictoriaToday at 10:26 AM
sorry for the excess detail... but then we had a blue orb sighting and my fiancé has started having nightmares of demons trying to get us...
VictoriaToday at 10:33 AM
thank you...oh it's good to know...yes so much has happened the last many years that I keep a log of just about everything … it will be interesting to see as time goes on what transpires...but I hope the part about my sister and complete disarray on the upper east coast doesn't come to pass... it was very bleak...like quarantining or a war type state had gone on for waay too long(edited)
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Several Avalon members experienced very intricate symbols/sigils that have appeared on their skin. (Hoping some will be willing to post them as additional examples)
These are a handful of inexplicable shapes which appeared on my skin after sightings, orbs and supernatural experiences.
A powder blue vector-type symbol was on my leg for months. It occurred with a vivid yellow streak under my jawline, just after a UFO sighting in Gulf Breeze, FL on December 21, 2015.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54619053210/in/shares-0J2X3uo83V/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54617860932/in/shares-0J2X3uo83V/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618946149/in/shares-0J2X3uo83V/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54617861402/in/shares-0J2X3uo83V/
Below is the yellow streak, shaped almost like a bleeding futhark rune. (ie: Ansuz?) The photo was taken the morning after flying home. That previous night, a brightly pulsating, multicolored orb was visible moving along the shore in Gulf Breeze.
I had suddenly felt overwhelmingly tired, so went to bed early while family and friends walked along the beach, also witnessing the orb. They were excited to relate that it was the first time they had seen it in years. (The orb used to be a regular sighting which we looked forward to.)
Both marks were there for many months, the yellow one fading before the blue one which changed shape and saturation several times, disappearing and reappearing for nearly half a year.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618742786/in/shares-UJH4rc1s45/
Other inexplicable marks or symbols that have appeared after sightings of orbs and UFOs:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618947644/in/shares-2jep973009/
Two parallel lines that appeared and disappeared over the course of days after seeing glowing parallel lines in the sky over our house. Cameras would not pick up the glowing lines in the sky. No other specific notes were made. No abrasion or soreness to the skin.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618961748/in/shares-C32t561pr4/
Two perfectly equal circular white scars/keloids appeared overnight on my lower back. Still present to this day.
A vector/Nike shaped symbol on my left thigh after orb sighting on August 3, 2016. Only visible in Black light.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618742781/in/shares-BCq454732K/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54617862492/in/shares-BCq454732K/
After reaching out to Dr. Richard Bonenfant (https://alienjigsaw.com/anomalies/Bonenfant-EMEs-Preliminary-Report.html) in 2015 for information and to share photos of marks, he advised keeping diligent logs about sightings, dreams, electrical interference and the corresponding symbols on my body. To better enable this over the next few years, I started keeping a video log while at work, when traveling and while asleep to see if we could pinpoint what was actually happening.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54619054740/in/shares-95J6GN46B4/
Green fluorescence/ shape on lower thigh in 2016.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54617862472/in/shares-462819Vi40/
Powder blue mark on anterior forearm.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618947624/in/shares-9u1S91gpx2/55379
January 13, 2017 Double triangles on right hip..could not scrub off.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618947649/in/shares-e2Zq9SXwC4/55378
Single triangle near left hip in March 2017.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54617862952/in/shares-N8m61SjG1r/
Powder blue circle with dot on my backside.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54617862962/in/shares-11086B0q66/55377
More odd blue marks. (heart? three fingerprints?) Occurred on Christmas Eve 2020 after we attempted to communicate with a white light hovering below the evening snow clouds in the Pecos wilderness. It responded instantly by growing larger and speeding toward us.
We had followed and filmed the same light one week prior in the same area, and again one week after on New Year's Eve.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618742776/in/shares-124g50gSQ8/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618743241/in/shares-124g50gSQ8/
Odd blue symbol with four points like a compass and a vector on my bedding from the same night. Christmas Eve.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618962288/in/shares-x0529o8bh9/
More typical, non symbolic abductee-type marks...
New keloid on the outer right bicep with a tiny incision beside it. ( I do not typically form keloid scars.) Appeared while sleeping. Awoke with my entire upper arm feeling sore and weak. This is the same area on my arm where there was a moveable lump under the skin and a trio of punctures just after a downtown Chelsea/New York UFO sighting/abduction experience years before.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54619055280/in/shares-p3pGV7D2oL/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618743246/in/shares-p3pGV7D2oL/
Three pinpoint puncture scabs in triangle on the inside of my upper left arm after triangular craft (TR3B?)sighting over a New Mexico mesa the night before. Have a photo of what we saw and will post here as soon as I locate
the back up folder with files that disappeared.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54617862512/in/shares-J0w96f9Wy3/
Strange two dot punctures on right hand, after finding various fluorescent marks all over body. (The third dot in second photo is a freckle below the punctures.) No soreness, itching or inflammation. (It's the desert, so yes...hands are very dry) The skin of the middle knuckle was intentionally scarred decades ago, so rough appearance there is not related to the punctures.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618961753/in/shares-380957F23N/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54619006193/in/shares-380957F23N/
I was awakened from a strange dream with a terrible piercing/burning sensation in the middle of my foot. One of our animals across the room was inexplicably hanging upside down from the screen of her enclosure, shrieking. Immediately, after pulling her down to safety, I checked the sole of my right foot and there was an odd rounded spade-type mark where the pain had been.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54617862497/in/shares-35oK25EjB6/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54618961763/in/shares-35oK25EjB6/
Painless 2 inch oval bruise/dark mark with line through center that appeared spontaneously. * I don't have notes associated with this other than it was 2024
and the photos would not connect or send from my phone. So, it's a photo of a phonescreen.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/203068609@N07/54619054730/in/shares-43L902y948/
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* Evidence folder missing. Will add more photos as they are located on other devices.
Gemma13
27th June 2025, 23:20
Mike & Gemma,
[10:34 AM]"
Wow Victoria, really appreciate this. I've had what they deem demonic interference-obssesion via scratches and three red dot triangle formations randomly appearing. And twice I've had a perfectly square imprint bruise appear.
Took weeks for it to disappear and like you, I tried to find something, anything, that I could've bumped against to cause such perfect lines. Nothing.
Ha, ya think I would've felt it happening too, considering the depth of bruising and how long it took to heal. It was as if I'd been stamped with a square stamping tool.
I'll come back later to re-read and absorb, and see if I can upload the pic I took.
Mike
27th June 2025, 23:29
I once woke up after a night of high strangeness to 3 red dots on my lower left leg, all equidistant.. looking just the like belt of Orion actually. I believe I still have the pics on my old phone.
I highly respected member here "looked into it" (psychically and with other methods) and offered a surprising explanation. I'll write it all up here later when I find the time. Out the door here in a few mins.
Victoria thanks for all that! Fascinating! Will respond properly soon:thumbsup:.
Gemma13
1st July 2025, 02:48
When I first noticed red dots that were slightly bigger than a pinhead randomly appearing in perfect symmetry, I didn’t give them much thought. Wow, cool, what are the odds, I thought. But when they resurfaced again and again with the same triangle shape, or in a line, maybe once or twice a year, I was concerned not only with where they came from but why.
They looked like a needle-stamp injection, which was a little disconcerting, so I prayed that if nefarious agents were injecting me with experimental sh!t, or poisons to disable me, or whatever, then please God let there be a good physician in the ethers stabbing me with an antidote from time to time.
I eventually developed a somewhat cavalier attitude to frequently occurring high strangeness, and now I regret it because I never took pics. But I do now.
Remarkably, the bruise (pic below) was also painless. How did I cop a bruise this size without feeling it? Sure, I’m a little clumsy, frequently body slamming the edge of a doorway and tripping over my feet because my gaze wanders elsewhere—bollards are a forever threat—but this bruise was 4cm square.
I googled mysterious bruises appearing and was rewarded with pics from people in the same situation. Baffled.
The first one posted here is my bruise. Sorry about the blurriness from zooming in and bleed-through on some of the sides, but it was a few weeks old when I decided it might be a good idea to record it. And of course, I can’t vouch for the validity of the other pics, but they’re interesting, nonetheless.
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Hey Mike :) The theories presented in the links you put up have had a huge impact shifting me out of a kind of inertia. And I say kind of because enduring without surrendering is far from inert. I feel encouraged that we’re moving closer to understanding the source and its agenda. And the closer we get to that, the greater chance you, me, Victoria, and those like us can develop and experiment with new techniques to disable and repel the hidden hand.
Victoria
1st July 2025, 16:16
I eventually developed a somewhat cavalier attitude to frequently occurring high strangeness, and now I regret it because I never took pics. But I do now.
Gemma,
It sure would be nice to
disable and repel the hidden hand." :highfive:!!
Being cavalier is a great coping mechanism when things get too strange. I would be really interested to know if you do find out anything about the nature of your marks and especially what the square and triangles signify.
How did I cop a bruise this size without feeling it? That's just it!
I wonder if this is affecting more of humanity than we know, but because people are so busy, or don't want to be scared and thus rise to the challenge of courage and a "nothing can hurt/phase me" attitude, or some might even naively brush little occurrences and odd marks off without taking a minute to really question what they indicate, that maybe the signs and symbols of the phenomena along with its full scope and range go largely unnoticed and unrecognized.
My sisters have encountered much more extreme experiences then I have and were present in a number of my own- though they, too, take on a very dismissive attitude about it all, to the point of finally denying anything ever happened- no matter what the circumstances and evidence were. They prefer to tell me, my mother and anyone else who was present or questions our experiences, that nothing happened and we're all crazy.
I sometimes think, if I apply their perspective to the majority of society, then how much is happening to each one of us around the world without being documented and recognized?
I also wonder if my sisters will ever, at some point, come back around to reexamine their events with a more critical and curious eye.
Mike,
I once woke up after a night of high strangeness to 3 red dots on my lower left leg, all equidistant.. looking just the like belt of Orion
What did the psychic say about your 3 dot pattern?
There's the Orion link again...which I keep noticing in other people's posts and experiences... that and Aldebaran are continually resurfacing for me, too.
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Delight,
Thank you for sharing what you did. It takes courage to see through the darkest areas of our experiences and address them effectively...especially when trying to gauge the spiritual and unseen. I have arrived at similar conclusions... and hope to be as thorough as you in eliminating nefarious factors in my life.
"I am fascinated with his supposition that the Phenomenon seeks to incarnate through human beings."
This is what I keep returning to, as well...it makes more and more sense.
"We MUST NOT cooperate with the mind control that seeks to "win over" our imagination. "
"IMO we are susceptible to the wiles of a NHI that seeks to destroy the connection THAT IS REAL with God here in matter."
"From then ON I knew that though I do not understand what this is ALL about, it has something to do with the DIFFERENCE between accessing SOURCE energy and Sorcery."
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Listening to the video you posted, I was stunned to learn there is a dark side to the templars... truly had no idea.
My mother's side of the family traces their genealogy back quite far and are very proud of their lineage, with the Knight's Templar being a favorite talking point. When I was 19, she gave me a solid gold lion and cross piece from the templars that was given to her by her grandmother, who was given it by her grandfather. I treasured it...taking it everywhere in my travels as a memento of kin and home, then did what I had lately come to think of as a tragic mistake, in bestowing it to a friend as a gesture of lasting connection and protection.
We had journeyed across the country together from the east coast to LA while he was working on the Fast & Furious productions. I somehow figured it to be a significant symbolic well-wishing toward his endeavors in Hollywood, though I'm sure he didn't actually consider twice or care at all about the familial history of the gift.
I've only mourned the loss of it in recent years, being special to our family, and shuddered to think what my mother or grandmother would have done if they knew I had merrily given it away.
...until just listening to Alien Kabbalah.
Good grief!
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Perhaps it's best I got rid of it! and in light of that subject matter, how truly strange it went to Hollywood with blessings.
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:heart:Thank you all for fearlessly posting and for starting this thread, Mike.
Hi Victoria,
Re belt of Orion: it's funny because I just offered that up as a visual metaphor; I'd never stopped to consider that it might actually be a literal representation of the belt of Orion:)
I realize this is going to sound kind of bananas, but the gifted individual (who is not exactly psychic per se but consults guides in very unique ways) told me that I'd had a visit that night from the deceased Max Spiers, and the 3 equidistant dots were a confirmation of that. This will mean little to anyone who doesn't know who Max Spiers is, but he was an experiencer and researcher (and according to him a kind of super soldier) from England who died under very mysterious circumstances. There are all kinds of highly strange stories surrounding his death in Poland, including the most infamous story which claims he vomited black liquid just before his death.
So why Max Spiers? Well, I'd been binging Spiers videos during that time, and having some of the most bizarre dreams as well. These were the types of dreams that felt like they'd followed me into reality. It made my waking reality surreal in ways that I'd have great difficulty explaining. The funny thing is, I have a bit of amnesia surrounding that period, so I've just messaged my gifted friend and asked for her remembrances. Some of the dreams involved wars between advanced craft on a planet like earth but slightly different, with me scrambling around on the surface and taking shelter. I remember that much. And I also remember having a lucid dream the night of the visit, and I saw something like a shooting star..except it landed or appeared to land directly in front of my condo at the time.
I'll add details as I remember them. Hopefully my friend can add some context as well. And I'll also try to dig up that picture
Victoria
5th July 2025, 17:00
Mike,
What a time that must have been for you, it's no wonder there is a bit of amnesia. The impact of bleed-over from those types of dreams and the recognition that they might represent real experiences can be so intense it is almost destabilizing. You're strong!:sun:
I'm very curious what your (and your friend's) memories will bring and whether there was more explanation for the pattern of dots.
What did you think when you received the information, initially? Did it fit with your perception of who Max was and what he spoke about?
What was your impression of the mark before reaching out? Do you remember if you had any emotional response to it? Has your perspective of the information you were given changed since learning of Gillis' research?
Sometimes when figures are prompted to speak out, I wonder if they aren't compelled unwittingly to do so in order to elicit a response from those who have quietly hidden. To say nothing of which side in a matter (or to what end) is being evoked. Like a dog whistle, to trigger and draw through the visible sphere those individuals who intentionally and hitherto successfully remained off radar.
Recollection can be transformative.
I had roughly 1,000 questions for you...but this will do:bounce:
Patient
5th July 2025, 20:41
Thanks for this one Mike!
I have never heard of this phenomena of sigils mysteriously appearing on the skin or other parts of the body, either by those demonically possessed or in alien abductions. Do you have any info about that?
I also cross posted this to the Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit) where this would belong if it didn't deserve it's own thread.
Thanks for the crosspost Chris:thumbsup:.
As far as sigils and secretions, this is all kind of new to me. I thought sigils appearing on the skin was something that only happened in the movies. I'm just a lay researcher, but I've been around this stuff a pretty long time and I've never heard any credible testimony about this sort of thing until recently. Earlier in thread, Victoria mentions experiencing this firsthand, so it is actually happening.
While living at a haunted house, we experienced getting scratched. The scratches would come from under the skin like a welt. We had a psychic come to the house and they identified one person/spirit that was there by name. If we said the name of this person, we would get scratched.
As far as sigils, (this is what really caught my attention in this thread) there was one time when the scratch on one of my kids was different in design. The scratches mostly appeared as if someone swiped at you with their finder nails, but this one time however, the scratch was very straight lined and looked like the letter "K". It was perfectly geometrically formed.
Another time, we had a portable wooden shed on our driveway. (The type a person rents for storage - you fill it with stuff and they take it away.) One of our kids was around 6 or 7 years old. I found them coming out of the wooden shed. (We had recently received it and hadn't put anything in it yet.) They had chalk that they were playing with on the driveway. They took the chalk into the shed and wrote some strange writings that we tracked down to be similar to some witchcraft. I had just been in the shed and the chalk was not yet in there and we lived out in the country and our lot was fenced. It was only a matter of 10 or 20 minutes between me being inside the shed to finding our child coming out of it. It has been (and was) very difficult to believe that your child was somehow controlled to write something down. It feels like an attack on your family that you cannot defend. These were complicated designs (sigils?) that were drawn.
Ernie Nemeth
5th July 2025, 21:06
Mike- YES- from almost everything we (my family and I) have experienced, and what I have heard him so far say (about 40% through listening) is fully supported in my own experiences. I have had the sigils appear on my skin
and had a related experience happen a few days ago (I will try to post video of in this space asap)..which feels very synchronous to you posting this. Thank you for sharing!
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Two days before you posted this, we passed a young person collapsed on the sidewalk. One might easily have missed him, a small pile of black clothing obscured behind roadside weeds. Backed by a wall and some trees, he was centered directly across from a church.
We were visiting Santa Fe on the east side, which is generally considered the nice end of town. There aren't typically any problems with homeless people or drug use in that particular area, and for the most part, not visibly in the tourist sections of Santa Fe. It's primarily a walking, hippie art market and summer tourist haven, so seeing a crumpled body on the sidewalk stood out in an obvious way.
Lovingly known as the City of Holy Faith, it is considered by many locals to be "incomparable" and uniquely spiritual. I have heard it be referenced as the latest "Sedona." Lots of new agey woo and UFO lore. Though Santa Fe has one of the darkest underbellies of any US town I have been to, going back to the 90s, that's not something visitors and tourists likely ever witness or encounter.
Anyway, as we passed I had an overwhelming feeling that something..not someone, but "something" wanted us to see...to stop. It was bumper to bumper rush hour traffic.
There used to be an adage when I was little that followed the ethos of, "be kind to others, you may not recognize the person who comes to your door asking for a hand"...or you may not be aware when you are actually helping an angel.
(Hebrews 13:2: "Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.")
...and that's what came to mind as we drove by.
I circled around and began wondering out loud what had happened. A stabbing? Gun shot? Probably Fentanyl... or maybe heat stroke? I hoped he wasn't dead.
Frustratingly, there was too much traffic and we couldn't just stop. So I circled again. And again...and again.
My partner finally realized we were making strange maneuvers and asked why.
"I want to help that person."
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"What person? There's nobody there."
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"Yes, yes, there is someone there, right there on the right hand side, watch as we approach- there, in the center of the sidewalk...he's right there."
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"There's nobody there!"
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We circled again... and again and then finally saw him and stopped, holding up the never ending line of cars behind us.
My partner called out to him, tried to rouse him, and predictably got no response.
So we pulled over at the next road to walk back. As we did, someone else pulled over to check on us (!).... ...but not the man on the sidewalk.
100s of cars passed him, but nobody pulled over for the body lying on the ground.
The young woman parked in front of us, jumped out of her SUV that was plastered with colorful "save" animals, pro-human rights mottoes and bumper stickers to see if we needed help. She was frantically assistive.
"Are you okay? Is there anything I can do to help you? Are you having car trouble? What's going on? Do you want me to call for help?" :heart: Bless her kind heart.
"No, no...we're fine"...I motioned behind me. "We're stopping to check on the kid over there." She walked around my car with me to see him as my partner was already bending over by his side.
"OHhhh- that's so scary! Do you want me to call police?" (Scary??) No, no...I assure her everything's okay, we've got it, we're fine, it's broad daylight...we'll call an ambulance and see what he needs. Gave each other a hug and many thanks. Off she goes.
As I turn around from saying goodbye to walk over and see what transpired, my partner is high stepping it back to our vehicle. Puzzled, I see the young man sitting up and looking towards us, but still mostly halved in a heap on the ground.
"What happened, is he okay?"
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"Get in the car"
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"But...what happened? Let me call the hospital.. he needs help."
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"No, no...get back in the car. He doesn't need any help"
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(WHAT??? Of course he needs help... I don't understand.) "I'm calling the ambulance."
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"He doesn't need help- he's fine! He's just fine! He's fine..he's fine..he's fine...DRIVE!"
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Okay. WEIRD. It's not making any sense. We pulled over to help him. He's clearly not okay. Obviously not fine.
We're first responders, what is going on? This feels crazy and wrong!!!... umpteen overdoses, suicide attempts, domestic violence calls, drunkards, 10-58/5150 holds, live fire, toxic explosive structure fires, etc... and he never just walked away. My partner's response is troubling and out of character.
I look back toward what appears to be an early 20s (or possibly late teens) young man, trying to compose himself, staring after us and I have the distinct impression he's not "nobody."
What a weird thought to have...
So, I begin to walk toward him and am immediately stopped by two hands on my shoulders.
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"He doesn't need our help...he's coming out of whatever that was. He'll be fine. Just get in the car."
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Ok..? ok...but I don't understand. I get back in the car totally, utterly confused...and pull slowly into traffic feeling a swell of emotion and sadness. I don't typically cry..but tears fell for the man/the boy/the person who was clearly not alright.. poor soul who we were just leaving there, alone. Nothing made sense. Was he in trouble?
"Why don't you want me to call someone?"
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My partner was stony silent on the way home. No rational answers.
"No stopping the car- just drive."
He didn't want me to call anyone. No ambulance. No medics. No police. No filing of any report, not even with friends to check on the guy. It did not make ANY sense.
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At 2:30 a.m. the night before you posted, which was two nights after we left that person in the middle of the sidewalk, my partner woke me up. He couldn't sleep. He's wide alert and restless.
"They were black."
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"What? What are you talking about?"
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"His eyes. His eyes were black."
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"Whose eyes?"
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"The kid."
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"What do you mean?"
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"I mean he had no white in his eyes..he looked at me and his eyes were black. No contacts. I don't know what was happening. Maybe it was drugs...drugs made his eyes black."
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"Could they have been bloody? like veins burst? Did he have brown eyes that you couldn't see fully? Because fentanyl and opioids tend to cause pinpoint pupils, they don't dilate. No drug I am aware of dilates the pupil to blacken the entire eye."
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"NO- they were black- entirely black. Not brown eyes. Black! His eyes were big. He opened them wide and he looked right at me and I don't know what I was seeing...they were all black."
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Okay, now it makes more sense...
"Is that why you left so quickly? Is that why you wouldn't let me call for assistance?"
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"Yeah, I don't know what that was. What was it? they were black-black with no distinction between the parts of his eye- what drug does that?" ..."Like, he was looking at me and I don't know what was looking at me."
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"You don't think it could have been contacts? or scleral tattoos? Was he a goth kid? ...he was wearing black... was he a gangster? There are a lot of south american members in death cults these days who go out of their way to make themselves look scary... "
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"No, not that kid. He didn't have money, he was plain..he wasn't a gangster...3rd or 4th generation, clean, no tattoos, no jewelry. He had an innocent but worn face..like he wasn't old- but his face looked old...something was off- it's like he wasn't there in his eyes- he was coming off being high or he was empty- or something...he was trying to come back. He couldn't see me clearly. He was opening his eyes really REALLY wide to see me and there was no white! His whole eyes were black except the corners near the skin and he was having a hard time seeing."
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"With contacts and tattoos you still can see color...the iris, the lines- his eyes were all black with no distinction, there was no distinction in the bright daylight"
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"So, don't you think that's exactly the kind of person who would need help? Don't you think we should have helped him or called somebody else to assist?"
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"No, I didn't know what I was looking at- I didn't want to involve anyone else."
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"You mean like possession?"
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"Yeah...but he was coming out of it...he was coming back, he was on his way back...we stopped. That's what mattered."
:( https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129898-How-many-Avalonians-have-unexpectedly-encountered-a-person-with-completely-black-eyes&p=1674710&viewfull=1#post1674710
Having spoken with a man while he had uniformly black/darkest brown eyes (no whites) who I now know for a fact was not wearing contacts at the time and happened to be in the throes of despair on that day his mother died, I believe someone or something else was likely also peering through the young man in Santa Fe.
Whether drugs had been the doorway, or some other sort of anguish that left him wide open/vulnerable ... he may have been in a darkest personal valley, peering back through himself.
I don't know if these things happen to people due to our emotional extremes, or substance abuse, or physical and mental illness, or just from being worn down through the constant bombardment of negative influences surrounding us...but I do know that we can literally be used and possessed and I think it has something to do with (misleading the public about) disclosure.
So your post of Nathaniel Gillis really struck me...it was more than ironic timing.
The short dialogue that had occurred between my partner and the young man is interesting considering how frightened and caught off-guard my partner was. He's seen a lot...it shouldn't have unnerved him this much... and yet, he's still very shaken.
Facing the "other" viewing us from inside a fellow human is paradigm shifting...and the theories that Mr. Gillis has developed and shared, fit.
I'm certain that much of what we know as separate entities and phenomena are related, if not the very same source.
As Gillis says,
“It's a masquerade…in order to evade our detections, it will diversify its identity in our eyes.”
...Based on my own experience, and realizing several people near to us have witnessed the black eye phenomenon, this kind of thing must be happening more often and I'm guessing the frequency will likely increase in the years ahead. I think that the more strife, lack of balance and declining health in humanity as a whole, the more laid bare and susceptible we are.
I feel that "love and light" is what we need to extend to one another and our earthly cohabitants who suffer like we do. It is not something we should extend blithely to beings with an advantage, who historically appear to seek to manipulate us or harness our energy.
I appreciated Gillis' analogy of the rationale in CE5 seeming a bit absurd. "... or Hannibal Lecter for that matter, Hey Hannibal, Nice tie! I'm a very nice guy, therefore you've got to be a very nice guy to me..." (after 53:56)
To think being a good person will protect you seems absolutely foolish (to me) and the mistake of a few influential individuals in believing that should not compromise the well-being of humanity.
If the bible is correct, we are none of us perfectly good or without sin..and perhaps it is that original "sin," or our own "sinful" choices in this life which allow us to be further corrupted and co-opted by them, as though we sign an agreement to participate by the value of our decisions. (?)
We need to be much more cautious and aware.
Many people do not seem to be cognizant or care that we are living in/through literal physical vessels which can be used by others and without permission, especially if we are caught unsuspecting. Perhaps, we give permissions in the course of our lives through naivete and being misled without realizing what that entails.
I feel like there is an imperative to set well-defined boundaries and arm ourselves and our hearts with as much knowledge, truth and love for one another as possible in order to help other humans do the same...to protect the entire human family.
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What happened in Santa Fe to the young man reminded us both of our experiences there in 2014... which we gradually began to consider as demonic activity.
After having a really difficult time with the situation we were facing and subsequent to reaching a peak in the amount of supernatural and preternatural activity we could comfortably/sanely deal with, we put all of our energy into moving, cutting ALL ties (again) and taking care of ourselves by going after the most simple and hopefully wholesome things we had always wanted to do in an act of defiant self preservation and healing.
That period of time leading up to 2014 is a subject we try to avoid because bad things start happening like clockwork when we think about it, come to new insights, talk about it or write about it. This is where our experiences connect to what Gillis speaks of.
We have learned that a person, or family member, or even animals close to us will inevitably have a sudden emergency or die if I put too much energy into the subject at any point. Within moments to hours.
Electronics start behaving oddly: the stove and washing machine turn on and off by themselves across the room with little melodic notes that signify the start and end of their cycles all at once, repeatedly. New appliances stop working permanently. The power goes out. Breakers trip. Lights flicker. Animals misbehave. It becomes an instant and impossible to ignore circus.
Everything in the house begins to cause a ruckus of distraction. Dogs who were sleeping peacefully all morning get into sudden unprovoked fights, have seizures, or start howling and whining. Well behaved, spoiled cats that were minding their own business will randomly attack each other and us. Rabbits begin thumping like a threat is near. The barnyard creatures outside can't be silenced. Everything gets really stressful, really fast.
Similar to canaries in a coal mine, our animals act as sentries letting us know something is building up. It's that same sensation before an intense electrical storm but less unified.
You can feel the chaos energy flooding in when it happens. It's tangible. It affects everything in the vicinity. It creates a cacophony of negative mounting static surrounding you. A wave of ill will rising.
The reason that is important to mention is because of how it happens.
The mechanism of chaos flooding seems to mirror the same way a predatory instinct can take over and infiltrate perfectly normal, previously uninvolved people causing them to respond to targeted individuals in sudden and brash, uncharacteristic manners- like an invisible wave of contagion or viral emotion pulsing through- causing them to react, to pounce, on anyone in the vicinity or do mean things they wouldn't normally take part in. To hate, or mob and punish without pause or logic.
There's a spiritual negative energy afoot that can swiftly sweep through living bodies, completely unchecked, unexpected and unnoticed by people. A current that has the potential to change everything in an instant. It also made me think we are all potential targets by our interest in the subject matter, be it ufology, the paranormal or magical practices, as Gillis says, "baiting our gaze."
We saw those things happen in 2014 and the same energy builds as soon as we place any focus on the topic now. As though both are influenced by the same hands: unseen forces moving to change perspectives and control/enforce circumstances.
I've been trying for the longest time to put words to what we experienced then and which we learned to recognize as it begins to happen.
Gillis does an excellent job of describing and creating the terminology to identify what occurs.Chaos energy directed by invisible practitioners. Initiates.
Where our attention goes, energy flows...but how often is our energy and intent being diverted or inverted? For years, I also attempted to figure out if something else is working through me. Do I have an attachment through which when I pour energy into something, the exact opposite of my intent happens and my energy is somehow used for a different purpose?
If I pray with my whole heart for something good, the exact opposite will instantaneously manifest. It has happened often enough, to the point that I stopped praying for fear of harming people or causing the worst outcome possible, despite what is in my heart and mind.
It felt like my intentions and energy were being misappropriated and commandeered by someone or something else, but I could not determine exactly how.
For a moment, I even questioned whether who we have been taught to think of as God/Source may be the opposite, but then realized it is more likely that my connection, perception and energy have been intercepted somehow...steered in a malicious way. It happened with hideous effect in a number of instances, before I started to put the pieces together.
That seems to be one logical dark motive for hijacking someone's energies: not only to groom them as a person toward a desired cultivation/outcome, but to violatingly manipulate their energies into manifesting much different outcomes than they would intend using the intensity of a clash in personalities; and the bonus byproduct of severing their direct connection to God/origin/source by sowing doubt, distrust and frustration. The same as hijacking thoughts. The intent would be to derail and repurpose energetic flow.
It is exactly what I feel is behind sigils being put into and on abductees and experiencers. Apparently, the designs don't have to be ornate.
Sigils are inscribed energetically in your living sphere and body using the combined frequency of biological excretions and intention (because the power is imbued in the sigils during peak moments of energy and extreme focus, such as at the climax of sexual release, trauma or emotional outflow in other acute states) intending the associated convergence of substance, symbol and purpose to be a form of ritual binding and portalled access to a victim's/target's being and energy.
The presence of sigils in ufology cases and abductions combined with the crosscurrent of those that are used or found in cases of possessions, demonology and witchcraft are crucial to acknowledge. "Conscious mind can read, but your subconscious mind operates on symbols." Installing sigils serves to bind the intent of another imperceptible individual to your mind and spiritual energy, as well as to steer your physical life force and mental orientation in a remotely accessible way.
If our souls are being sigilized as well, it would have ramifications beyond this life.
That might imply a human is hijacking/programming you, or another kind of entity entirely. Regardless, acknowledging this provides an avenue of exposure and a chance to develop protection.
Knowledge is power. Light needs to shine on this aspect to protect humanity...to back engineer the spells and discover the sources and intent behind them. Cui bono?
Maybe all of humanity has been sigilized and we just don't know it. That might have everything to do with the control structure here: keeping our memories, intuition and intellect subdued.
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"A chaos magic sigil is different from these historic sigils because we’re not calling upon any particular spirit. Instead we are using a personal intention or goal to formulate and charge a custom symbol." -https://www.arcane-alchemy.com/blog/2020/3/25/how-to-make-a-sigil-witchcraft-101
"Chaos magic builds on the writings of Austin Osman Spare and in opposition to ritual dogma emphasizes that "nothing is true, everything is permitted". Unlike other, more culturally prominent magical practices such as Wicca or neo-paganism, chaos magic does not advocate any kind of religious belief, but merely provides magical technologies. Belief systems are considered as technologies, and as a result any kind of symbolism may be used as long as belief can be invested into it. As a system of pure techniques, the emphasis of chaos magic is placed in the embrace of all technologies.
Chaos magic explains itself through the language of quantum theory and perceives reality as a field of superimposed probability waves. Events have been observed in the subatomic quantum domain that belie concepts such as time and cause and effect. Carroll argues that quantum theory provides an endearing basis for a magical paradigm (Carroll, 1990)." -http://scan.net.au/scan/journal/display.php?journal_id=35
"If we are artificial intelligence programs, living in a virtual reality, then we should be capable of evolving a program feature that allows us to hack into the system control computer and reprogram things to our own benefit. A successful piece of hacking would be undetected by the system and would remain uncorrected. Sometimes an error caused by hacking may be corrected, but not before the ripples of its effect have caused the world to head in a subtly different direction. This is exactly how most magicians argue magic works." (Frater M, 1999)
"Sigils:
Generally simpler and more abstract
Can be any shape, often freeform
Represent a specific intention or desire
Often created by the practitioner for personal use
Typically composed of lines and basic geometric shapes"
-https://www.magickandwitchcraft.com/post/signs-symbols-seals-and-sigils-what-is-the-difference (https://www.magickandwitchcraft.com/post/signs-symbols-seals-and-sigils-what-is-the-difference")
I remember, now, an incident involving people with black eyes - I've even posted about it. I just forgot that they had black eyes - both adults and both children.
It was late at night and I was walking home when all of a sudden two black Doberman Pincer dogs ran up to me, growling. I am not afraid of dogs but I am not stupid either. I slipped between some trees in an attempt to reach cover for protection but I ended up in a park, instead. There, in the bright moonlight were the most strange looking family. The adults were pushing the children in the swings, silently. And when they saw me they all looked my way, staring. The two dogs ran up and sat at the feet of the adults. These moon folk were dressed all in white, with blond hair. Nothing was said, and I slipped back between the trees and continued my walk home. I would remember this only years later, but I forgot about their eyes - they were all black.
Sorry to break the flow. Have yet to read further...
Delight
8th July 2025, 23:36
In the last few weeks I have been wondering more and more about familial attachmnets. I turned 70 and had a sudden challlenge of severe hip/back pain which has led me to think and do processes related to a cause level for it.
My family was so terribly sad for me. I was named after my grandmother who was a very closed off person. My mother was a MALIGNANT narcissist sometimes but could be angelic. I recall adoring her for many years. Without needing to go into the details of imprinting negative programming, one of the key features is the attempt to gasight at a SPIRITUAL level. I can't recall my childhood except for snippets. One that always stood out was how my mother threatened my soul with never being forgiven.
Even worse, the phrase was something like... "be sure to know the results of what you do because you will never be forgiven for the mistakes/sins". My mother was at war with her mother. My family is a sad story familiar in theme for many "survivors".
My grandmother and mother had debilitating back pain at around my age to their deaths. I THOUGHT I was not susceptible to inheriting this and yet here it manifested.
Are we living in a haunted house here in hell
Or maybe purgatory as well. There are ancestral sins of seven generations in the bone.
The ghosts and monsters dwell in the under world under OUR house.
Don't try to find the demons but when they arise form the firey pit, just be willing to sit.
Sit with the pain, the searing torturous unloved traveling in our blood.
I believe now that my demons are the unloved beings housed in my own field.
They only can communicate through "things that happen."
I know about looking with compassion in my eyes.
I feel i have a benefactor to help me face my ancestral burden.
I Make a vow to be become a friend to the parts who are trapped in the back of "our" SELF awareness.
They are people too. The ancestors in my imagination are like a darker cloud drifting up and coalescing like a thundercloud.
Sometimes they flood or hit me with lightening bolts.
They do so want to discharge a pent up pain that follows us.
We are haunted here by spectors drifting over a moor with a long flat plane. It seesm like it stretches forever. The rains come which eneterr in my awarenss as drops filling my field.
I AM a part of the cloud. I thunder and rain NOW to discharge the burden.
I heard a message.
Mother is your saving relationship NOW.
Mother is God whom you grandmothers were seeking.
NOW through you, they find her arms.
Our bodies heal as we discharge the pent up energy of pain.
MOTHER is holding us. WE are grand mothers who want YOU to thrive but we cannot forget.
Please help us transmute these memories.
Hooponopono.
Hi Victoria, my friend also remembers almost nothing, weirdly enough (or maybe not so weird, since her life is filled with paranormal events, making mine sort of passe in her world most likely).
I'm annoyingly ambivalent on things I don't understand. When she told me about the Spiers visit, I didn't know what to think. And I still don't. It was an odd night, filled with odd dreams (one lucid, which I described in my previous post) and then I awoke to the 3 dots. On top of my annoying ambivalence I'm also annoyingly rational lol, so I initially assumed they were spider bites or something (and maybe they were).
This is my feeling: I don't think it's in my cosmic plan (or whatever one wishes to call it) to have overt or blatant paranormal experiences. This is based on experience and intuition.
re Gillis: I'm susceptible to whatever I happen to be listening to at the time; only later am I more objective. Having listened to Gillis talk about his research (which jibes with my hero John Keel's) I'm left with a sense of unease initially. It's a combination of being out of my depth and also this sense of trepidation I always get when grappling with anything "occult" related. I'm strangely drawn to it, but I think mainly as an observer, not so much as an experiencer. So I sort went from watching this movie to being in it, and it was just...odd.
I'm sure I have that phone still with the pic of the dots. I don't mean to keep dangling it here and then not following thru, it's just that my closet is filled with large plastic containers loaded with all sorts of crap. I have a weird closet in my bedroom, which runs the entire width of the room; there are 2 doors, side by side..my bed is pushed up against the side where all the plastic containers are, so I have to drag that bed out to get in there and then do all the digging. That's all just one long way of saying I'm lazy:)
I'm really sorry. These answers feel very inadequate. I'm glad you didn't ask me 1000 more:laugh:
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