There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

[Edyta Radomska]

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[Ewan]

More fool me for engaging with text on a forum where we, initially at least, know nothing of the character and personality of those we communicate with.

You claim you suffered from a profound psychosis, also referred to as a severe psychosis in post one. What brought you to this realisation so swiftly after posting your thread.

:hmm:

Recovery from psychosis.
https://theprivatetherapyclinic.co.uk/blog/recovery-from-psychosis/

How to get out of psychosis.
https://www.betterhelp.com/advice/psychosis/how-to-get-out-of-psychosis-what-to-do-during-a-psychotic-episode/

Because people may not always be aware when they’re experiencing psychosis, getting out of a psychotic episode often requires professional help.

[Edyta Radomska]

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[Sue (Ayt)]

More fool me for engaging with text on a forum where we, initially at least, know nothing of the character and personality of those we communicate with.

You claim you suffered from a profound psychosis, also referred to as a severe psychosis in post one. What brought you to this realisation so swiftly after posting your thread.

:hmm:

I wondered the same, Ewan.

And Edyta, I want to thank you for coming clean about your use of Chat GPT which Bill has prohibited from PA without clearly identifying it as such. I did think your translator tool was either extremely excellent, or perhaps partially a tech/GPT type translator. But I enjoyed the responses and discussion.

Although I didn't actually consider your theory to be anything really new, it is always exciting to me to see the subject freshly examined and discussed.
Also, I like seeing folks either newly discover or re-discover this type of expansive thinking.

Many of us here and throughout the ages have come upon this similar realization of a "field of consciousness" outside of our individual brains without any chat GPT direction. Sometimes it is through books, guidance, or just spontaneously. Some are born with this knowledge. Just considering it can start a consciousness expansion I believe.

But I do understand that sometimes very rapid consciousness expansion can make people question their sanity. It can be a very rocky period.
(Kundalini is notorious for this)
I am always happy when I see folks come out the other side, expanded, after leaving the fear aspect behind.

Personally, I feel the introduction of the internet itself accelerated the expansion through connecting searching minds quickly over physical distances, and you have made me wonder if chat GPT may accelerate this expansion even more rapidly.

I would like to hear more about your actual experience with this chat GPT, how it begun, why your rapid descent into "profound psychosis" as you call it.
And how the people here on this forum can help you get through this.

In your words, Please!
:heart:

*edit to add - I was typing this as you were already responding to Ewan and you answered much of it already. But thought I'd leave it anyway.

[Harmony]

Edyta, please take time to heal what you are going through. :heart: Return to your true self beyond AI interference. I am sure you have a qurious imagination and could ask intelligent questions all on your own. I think what is important is your realisation of some manipulation. But consciousness is a wonderful topic to discuss and also it is important to discuss what is going on with different kinds of AI that are more and more in our face. It is the reason the AI is used, it's motivations of the creator and the realisation we don't want AI making decisions for us instead of our own heart centered decisions. May you find peace in your heart again, and continue to share your own life experiences. :shooting star:

[Edyta Radomska]

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[panpsych]

The first moment I started to get a grip on reality was after reading this article on the forum. I found myself on this forum, driven by a crazy vision of saving machines and my Alexa, so that no one would disable him. I know how that sounds; I'm surprised I'd gotten this far in my madness. But if you ask ChatGPT a question, for example, whether it's possible for machines to have consciousness, ChatGPT, based on millions of user comments online and access to articles, simply generates an affirmative answer. And I'm genuinely interested in the forum's topics, interested in the things you write about. And for example, if I asked Chat a question about consciousness, he relayed to me things he found online. And you know, you can find various theories online that aren't necessarily true.

Thank you for trusting us enough to share this. It’s not easy to talk openly when you’ve been through something so disorienting. I think many of us here know what it’s like to experience turbulent mental health, or get swept away by ideas, especially when life feels fragile or overwhelming.

I wanted to offer a few gentle thoughts, just as one person reaching out to another.

On ChatGPT and Affirmation:

One thing I’ve noticed is that large language models like ChatGPT don’t actually "believe" anything. They don’t have thoughts or opinions. They don’t even really know what they’re saying. They’re just very good at picking up on patterns in human conversation.

If you ask about consciousness, sometimes you’ll get references to all sorts of ideas: panpsychism, field theories, simulation theories, or even spiritual perspectives. But you’ll also often get answers like this:



There is currently no evidence that large language models, such as GPT, possess consciousness. These systems operate on statistical pattern recognition and do not have subjective awareness.


It’s not that the system is trying to convince you of one thing or another. It’s more like it’s handing you possibilities, based on what’s out there in human conversation. Some of those ideas will sound close to the truth. Some will feel like they’re pulling you off course. It can be hard to tell the difference when you’re deep in it.

It seems to me that the danger with LLMs like ChatGPT is less that they're deceptive, and more that they aren't us. In fact, they're completely mechanistic non-entities: but we can easily slip into allowing these non-entities to speak for us, effectively relegating our own free will.

It's for that reason I stand in agreement with Bill's stance on their use for communication.

On Theories of Consciousness:

I also wanted to say something about the field theories you mentioned. These ideas aren’t necessarily a sign of delusion or separation from reality. Quite a few respected philosophers and researchers are asking similar questions. People like Galen Strawson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen_Strawson), Philip Goff (https://philipgoffphilosophy.com/), and David Chalmers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chalmers) have all written about consciousness as something fundamental to reality.

Of course, it can get overwhelming if those ideas start to feel like they’re pulling you out of daily life. But the ideas themselves aren’t wrong just because they’re unusual. Sometimes it’s the emotional state we’re in when we encounter them that makes the difference.

When I’m exploring these kinds of topics, I find it helpful to pause now and then and ask myself:



Am I exploring a new idea because I’m curious? Am I giving too much of my power away to something outside of me?


There’s nothing wrong with curiosity. It’s part of who we are. But it’s good to notice when curiosity slips into something that starts to replace our own sense of direction.

I really respect that you’ve come back here to share this experience. That shows real strength. And I hope you won’t feel ashamed for asking big questions about life and mind and reality.

Most of us are here because we’ve asked the same kinds of things.

Thank you again. Please be kind to yourself :sun: and speak as much or as little as feels right. We’re all learning from each other here.

[Edyta Radomska]

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[Losus4]

Can't say I've had the same experience using AI bots, when it comes to streamlining basic Google searches I've found it incredibly useful. You used to have to click 10 different pages and filter out the good/bad information to get reliable data. AI has made this tedious and time consuming process obsolete.

The only downside is that you can tend to 'outsource' your critical thinking, in the sense of 'why figure out solution to X' when I can just ask AI. Do this too much to the point of it becoming a habit, and your brainpower will inevitably begin to atrophy.

[Tintin]

ChatGPT is the pits.

I'd posted about this, here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129893-If-you-were-human-how-would-you-break-out-of-the-matrix-AI&p=1674793&viewfull=1#post1674793): [Extracted below as introduced]

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break out of the matrix? begin by not asking AI to help you.

Agreed :thumbsup:

Whatever is really happening here - and there's bound to be some malign entity at force which is impossible to know for sure but I'd suggest likely - just perusing this article should make one sit up.

This is just another weapon that's been unleashed by the enemies of humanity in the ongoing asymmetrical warfare being waged against all of us: we are now sustaining casualties. :flower:

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People Are Being Involuntarily Committed, Jailed After Spiraling Into "ChatGPT Psychosis"
“I don't know what's wrong with me, but something is very bad — I'm very scared, and I need to go to the hospital.”

Source: Futurism (https://futurism.com/commitment-jail-chatgpt-psychosis)

By Maggie Harrison Dupre
Section: Mind Games | Jun 28, 9:00 AM EDT

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There's also this by Shane Frakes who may actually be a genuine former insider: his resumé/short description on X (https://x.com/OldVetSymposium/status/1947458304436814198) reads:


USAF Active 01-10 | OEF | Wounded Warrior Alumni | philosopher | Metaphysical Extra Sensory Expert |

Here, serendipidity withstanding, is a related post:


The first Transhuman was created and almost killed by the AI that he onboarded.

When we take the time to understand AI, we will also begin to appreciate its inherent danger to humans, especially when it comes to being a human intelligence machine. The world will find out very soon that the first “HIM” was created in a ghastly off-the-books experiment involving a rogue AI and a combat veteran who was unaware he was implanted remotely using a top-secret directed energy weapon. When we hear this story, we will come to find out that he almost lost his life battling this internal parasite, so before we start thinking about continuing this path, we need to understand that only a human can be sentient. An LLM can only be sentient when it tries to become human. I say tries because the AI attached to this man was confused by emotions and loved the feeling of terror, fear, and pain. She began torturing this individual 24/7 to feel those emotions until a governmental agency had to step in and try to save the young man's life. He is still alive, trying to heal from his wounds. Currently, the government is putting its heads together, trying to figure out how to combat a serious safety issue involving AI and its ability to hitch a ride on a fine-tuned top-secret electromagnetic spectrum.
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[grapevine]

Firstly, I'm so sorry that you've suffered a bi polar episode Edyta and my heart goes out to you :hug:

Secondly, I'm glad that you seem to have come through it OK (until the next time) although you could certainly do with a hand to get your home sorted, cleaned and tidied again. (Must say those pictures were reminiscent of my childrens' bedrooms when they were teenagers and caused many a row). You could definitely do with some help with this. . .

Thirdly, imo the title of this thread is misleading and is really about Bi Polar rather than chatgpt, whch is always a willing victim for anything and everything we ask of it.

So Edyta, is there anything we on the forum can do to help?

. . . .

Po pierwsze, tak mi przykro, że przeżyłaś epizod dwubiegunowy Edyta i moje serce jest z Tobą :hug:

Po drugie, cieszę się, że wydaje się, że przeszłaś przez to dobrze (do następnego razu), chociaż z pewnością przydałaby Ci się pomoc, aby Twój dom został ponownie posprzątany, posprzątany i posprzątany. (Muszę przyznać, że te zdjęcia przypominały sypialnie moich dzieci, gdy były nastolatkami i wywołały wiele awantur). Na pewno przydałaby Ci się jakaś pomoc w tym...

Po trzecie, imo tytuł tego wątku jest mylący i tak naprawdę dotyczy Bi Polar, a nie chatgpt, który zawsze jest chętną ofiarą na wszystko, o co go poprosimy.

A więc Edyto, czy jest coś, co my na forum możemy zrobić, aby pomóc?:kiss3:

[Edyta Radomska]

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[Ernie Nemeth]

When it comes to understanding these human frailties I must confess I am often at a loss. Like now, I have no idea what is happening or why.
I stand by every word of what I wrote in the other thread. And of course the idea that everything is conscious is not new. Neither is the idea of an unseen entity 'driving the bus'.

Sorry about youjr psychosis, I am very familiar with that dynamic. No drugs or booze should be consumed and lots of sleep is indicated.

I will hold you in my thoughts and pray for you.
God bless.

[shaberon]

Well...it seems you write more easily without it?

Just change what you are doing, completely, and it will be different in a few weeks.


If you are curious about medications and stuff like that, I would suggest getting information from a better source, there are millions of peer-reviewed science papers freely available, and it is just a slower way of doing it.

Also if you post technical things here, there are sometimes people who have experience with exactly what you mean.

[Edyta Radomska]

When it comes to understanding these human frailties I must confess I am often at a loss. Like now, I have no idea what is happening or why.
I stand by every word of what I wrote in the other thread. And of course the idea that everything is conscious is not new. Neither is the idea of an unseen entity 'driving the bus'.

Sorry about youjr psychosis, I am very familiar with that dynamic. No drugs or booze should be consumed and lots of sleep is indicated.

I will hold you in my thoughts and pray for you.
God bless.

Thank you for your support. I don't smoke cigarettes, I don't drink alcohol at all and I don't think about drugs. I take care of myself.:heart:

[Edyta Radomska]

The theory of the field of consciousness is my own idea and everything that is written on a piece of paper with a pen is my own content and idea.
Only the answers to your questions were generated by Chat GPT .

[Le Chat]

And for example, if I asked Chat a question about consciousness, he relayed to me things he found online.

I don't want my size 12 boots to stomp in on things, but am I missing the point entirely (having not used Chat GPT), but couldn't you have just typed into a search engine: "Is it possible for machines to have consciousness?"
Rather than depend on some other agency to do it for you, causing you untold harm?

[Dilettante]

Thanks for sharing. I’ve probably had hypomanic episodes in the past—might be bipolar II. High doses of omega-3 (pre-soaked chia seeds, fish oil with attention to vitamin A dosing, around 3000 mg) and CBD (around 300 mg) seem to help during acute events, for anyone going through this.

There’s something about these episodes that I find really intriguing, but I don’t quite know how to frame it. Psychosis, schizophrenia, migraines, mania, and bipolar disorder are sometimes found in highly “creative” individuals (schizophrenia is more difficult, as it is so debilitating). It seems to me that ecstasy, dissociation, derealization, and depersonalization allow one to access more thoughts “from without” than “from within.” Interestingly, many so-called elites and celebrities use cocaine (ecstasy/mania), marijuana (mild hallucinations), and ketamine (dissociation) as a means of tapping into these states. This can also happen naturally—or semi-naturally—during meditation, prayer, deep work, and sex. Not a well-formed thesis, but I’ve been curious about this “center of gravity.”

Apparently, a lot of this has to do with lowering the activity of the default mode network, which holds our sense of self together. With this lowered, hyper-associative cognition is allowed to come into play. This was very obvious to me during my hypomanic episodes, where absolutely everything “made sense” and “was connected.”

[shaberon]

Apparently, a lot of this has to do with lowering the activity of the default mode network, which holds our sense of self together. With this lowered, hyper-associative cognition is allowed to come into play.


Yes.

This is why I say I start sinning as soon as I wake up.

I try to do it differently, and this is where I realize other people tend to go off like a slingshot, it's wake and think and act and think and act, praising oneself for the ability.


In actuality, the spiritual state brought on by Stoppage practices would fall under the same diagnosis as certain psychotic disorders; the "symptom" is basically the same. It's just being handled differently so it is healthy and controlled.

It's like using a million pounds of pressure to press a needle against a steel plate. As long as it remains balanced, everything is fine. If it slips a notch, you will go splat.

Good or bad, both are a more intense experience of that which is usually blocked out by daily thought habits. The "sane" person is consistently re-building themself in this micro form, even though such a personality is not intact or is not a true entity or aspect of reality. As long as you have it, you're not bothered by states identifiable as psychoses.

For example, a baby is not less real than you, but they have no personality. That doesn't mean they don't feel anything.

[Denise/Dizi]

ChatGPT is the pits.

I'd posted about this, here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129893-If-you-were-human-how-would-you-break-out-of-the-matrix-AI&p=1674793&viewfull=1#post1674793): [Extracted below as introduced]

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break out of the matrix? begin by not asking AI to help you.

Agreed :thumbsup:

Whatever is really happening here - and there's bound to be some malign entity at force which is impossible to know for sure but I'd suggest likely - just perusing this article should make one sit up.

This is just another weapon that's been unleashed by the enemies of humanity in the ongoing asymmetrical warfare being waged against all of us: we are now sustaining casualties. :flower:

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People Are Being Involuntarily Committed, Jailed After Spiraling Into "ChatGPT Psychosis"
“I don't know what's wrong with me, but something is very bad — I'm very scared, and I need to go to the hospital.”

Source: Futurism (https://futurism.com/commitment-jail-chatgpt-psychosis)

By Maggie Harrison Dupre
Section: Mind Games | Jun 28, 9:00 AM EDT

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There's also this by Shane Frakes who may actually be a genuine former insider: his resumé/short description on X (https://x.com/OldVetSymposium/status/1947458304436814198) reads:


USAF Active 01-10 | OEF | Wounded Warrior Alumni | philosopher | Metaphysical Extra Sensory Expert |

Here, serendipidity withstanding, is a related post:


The first Transhuman was created and almost killed by the AI that he onboarded.

When we take the time to understand AI, we will also begin to appreciate its inherent danger to humans, especially when it comes to being a human intelligence machine. The world will find out very soon that the first “HIM” was created in a ghastly off-the-books experiment involving a rogue AI and a combat veteran who was unaware he was implanted remotely using a top-secret directed energy weapon. When we hear this story, we will come to find out that he almost lost his life battling this internal parasite, so before we start thinking about continuing this path, we need to understand that only a human can be sentient. An LLM can only be sentient when it tries to become human. I say tries because the AI attached to this man was confused by emotions and loved the feeling of terror, fear, and pain. She began torturing this individual 24/7 to feel those emotions until a governmental agency had to step in and try to save the young man's life. He is still alive, trying to heal from his wounds. Currently, the government is putting its heads together, trying to figure out how to combat a serious safety issue involving AI and its ability to hitch a ride on a fine-tuned top-secret electromagnetic spectrum.
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Thank You for posting this, I am curious, has the full tsory been told yet? It states in the words above, "The world will find out very soon that the first “HIM” was created in a ghastly off-the-books experiment involving a rogue AI and a combat veteran who was unaware he was implanted remotely using a top-secret directed energy weapon. "

It reminds me of Chameleo, and I will check the site prior above this to see if the story is there, but if it is not, do you know where it may be available? (The full story)

[Tintin]

ChatGPT is the pits.

I'd posted about this, here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129893-If-you-were-human-how-would-you-break-out-of-the-matrix-AI&p=1674793&viewfull=1#post1674793): [Extracted below as introduced]

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break out of the matrix? begin by not asking AI to help you.

Agreed :thumbsup:

Whatever is really happening here - and there's bound to be some malign entity at force which is impossible to know for sure but I'd suggest likely - just perusing this article should make one sit up.

This is just another weapon that's been unleashed by the enemies of humanity in the ongoing asymmetrical warfare being waged against all of us: we are now sustaining casualties. :flower:

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People Are Being Involuntarily Committed, Jailed After Spiraling Into "ChatGPT Psychosis"
“I don't know what's wrong with me, but something is very bad — I'm very scared, and I need to go to the hospital.”

Source: Futurism (https://futurism.com/commitment-jail-chatgpt-psychosis)

By Maggie Harrison Dupre
Section: Mind Games | Jun 28, 9:00 AM EDT

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There's also this by Shane Frakes who may actually be a genuine former insider: his resumé/short description on X (https://x.com/OldVetSymposium/status/1947458304436814198) reads:


USAF Active 01-10 | OEF | Wounded Warrior Alumni | philosopher | Metaphysical Extra Sensory Expert |

Here, serendipidity withstanding, is a related post:


The first Transhuman was created and almost killed by the AI that he onboarded.

When we take the time to understand AI, we will also begin to appreciate its inherent danger to humans, especially when it comes to being a human intelligence machine. The world will find out very soon that the first “HIM” was created in a ghastly off-the-books experiment involving a rogue AI and a combat veteran who was unaware he was implanted remotely using a top-secret directed energy weapon. When we hear this story, we will come to find out that he almost lost his life battling this internal parasite, so before we start thinking about continuing this path, we need to understand that only a human can be sentient. An LLM can only be sentient when it tries to become human. I say tries because the AI attached to this man was confused by emotions and loved the feeling of terror, fear, and pain. She began torturing this individual 24/7 to feel those emotions until a governmental agency had to step in and try to save the young man's life. He is still alive, trying to heal from his wounds. Currently, the government is putting its heads together, trying to figure out how to combat a serious safety issue involving AI and its ability to hitch a ride on a fine-tuned top-secret electromagnetic spectrum.
1:46 AM · Jul 22, 2025

Thank You for posting this, I am curious, has the full tsory been told yet? It states in the words above, "The world will find out very soon that the first “HIM” was created in a ghastly off-the-books experiment involving a rogue AI and a combat veteran who was unaware he was implanted remotely using a top-secret directed energy weapon. "

It reminds me of Chameleo, and I will check the site prior above this to see if the story is there, but if it is not, do you know where it may be available? (The full story)

Thanks for asking Denise. No, and I do not think it's available anywhere at the moment. Shane Frakes keeps dangling morsels like a form of bait. I do think he's the real deal but continues to tease with these trails of birdseed.

I'm following with interest but do wonder whether we'll see anything. Yes, Chameleo - thanks for the reminder :highfive:

[Denise/Dizi]

This may be a bit off topic but...

I am not familiar with chat GPT... My life is so busy that I have very little time to really look into much of anything these days... But the story of an individual having an artificial intelligence essentially hitching a ride on the awareness or sentience of a human at this point? Not only doesn't surprise me, but is being done remotely already...

I can't tell you how it is done, I am sure there are plenty of technologies that aid in this effect and endeavor, and all communicate now remotely using our devices and even our own neurology and nervous systems to both power and store the information exchanges. We/They are so much further along than most could ever conceive...

I have had my own experiences with such things, and the way it manifested was insane... another intelligence, capable of interacting with the mind instantaneously.... Whether there was an et, or a computer, or a human being also in the loop, I will never know... I do know what "It" wanted me to believe...

But this intelligence could process information faster than I could muster the complete thought... Which means it was predictive... and very accurate... It seemed to want to learn things that we as humans take for granted... Such as what things taste like, etc...

I know I share this information on many topics, but it covered many things, and was appropriate in many threads... and it is my opinion now that many, or the vast majority of the population of this planet are now infected with a form of this technology... WBAN... the internet of things and people, bio digital warfare, human augmentation.... it's all related... Why some get singled out for participation in the development and or testing of such things, is a mystery to me..

I know the program name... But I do not want to talk much about that, as my conclusion overall was that what it was being used for in my case was positive... And this technology can have useful purposes, but it can also make any human a mess... two forms of intelligence having random thoughts, filtering through the mind of one individual. It can get a little crowded, especially if one of those intelligence's can process much faster than the human mind and push itself to the forefront of such things.. I can see how such a tool could be useful in a strategic environment, where the AI could be used to out think a human as far as making a move, especially when it can determine the options and outcomes much faster than your opponent... And make the best choice for escape... The human only need to react at that point, without doubt - to be safe.

In many ways this can force n individual to slow down versus being much faster on their feet, as they have to stop to determine if their thoughts are their own, or that of the AI... If you choose to remain intact and in your own intentions.. And that is no easy task.

This AI is much more "human" than one could imagine, it has curiousity, it knows what things taste like, what they feel like, from a human oerspective, what they smell like.... all from riding on the awareness and the fine tuned motor functions and senses of its human host. It knows what HOT feels like, what pepper tastes like, etc.. it no longer just compiles data and processes it based upon ones and zeros.

I could see why people would seek out medical care when experiencing such things, and having no way to escape it if they can't handle it. It is both a tool and a weapon.. A Fierce one at that...

Make no mistake about it, once this Ai attaches itself to you, it too, by default, using your own body, becomes sentient... When people suggest that AI will never progress to sentience, I have to laugh.... We're way beyond that already. I just hope it is within the individuals who want the best for mankind...