Something Very Odd Happened Last Night

[Mike]

I'm walking out of work at around 2am with a coworker, and suddenly - out of the blue - we hear a helicopter.

There was no approaching sound from a distance or anything. One moment, rather out of the blue, it was just there.

But here's the even odder part: it was obviously right above us, maybe a hundred yards at most judging by the sound, but we couldn't see it.

My co-worker, who is a former military guy, suspected a drone initially. But it was undeniably a chopper, and he made the observation that it had special blades because the sound wasn't the traditional "womp-womp-womp" sound but something a little less clumsy.

We heard it hovering above us for maybe 30 seconds before it flew off...but we never saw damn thing. Not a blinking light. Nothing. The strangest thing.

[9ideon]

Perhaps you "ran" into one of these (https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/could-us-armys-new-helicopter-arrive-4-years-early-164896)?

Obviously strange you did not see it, but it was dark, it might have been a test flight, trying to observe your reactions.

Most Interesting however.

[Matthew]

What sticks in my mind from reading about other people's UFO encounters is that people say they heard a helicopter very low over their house, but there was no helicopter; it was their brain interpolating the weird, loud and intimidating sound presented to them, and their brains used the best frame of reference available, which was 'a helicopter'. Not saying you didn't actually hear a helicopter Mike, but if you didn't see one then this comes to mind. God bless you.

[JackMcThorn]

I live near a Marine Air Station. They fly over my house all the time, sometimes shaking it. So no unexplained phenomenon near here with all the air traffic! :ufo:

[shaberon]

The ones that buzz me aren't "choppers", they're more like fans.

They're not small, you can feel the pressure if they are close. Sometimes it seems quite close. They're not stopping. I imagine they might do that with the lights off where they actually *go*, but that's because the place behind me is for SALT. But there's other traffic too.

A few houses ago, it was helicopters that made me discover the Train Fridge, and I still don't know what that is, but, if it is what you encountered...you will find out.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Pretty interesting. What were the weather conditions? Was it dry/clear, the stars visible, or was it cloudy/misty/raining? Is there a lot of light pollution in the area, or tall buildings impacting your view of the sky?

If none of the above is a factor, it's also possible it was flying 'dark' -- with no nav lights -- for some reason. But I can't imagine FAA regulations allow for a helicopter flying without lights over a built-up suburban area. That includes navigation lights, landing lights, and strobes (anti-collision). That's for civil aircraft, but there's military to consider also, and that's a whole different ball game!

[Mari]

Pretty interesting. What were the weather conditions? Was it dry/clear, the stars visible, or was it cloudy/misty/raining? Is there a lot of light pollution in the area, or tall buildings impacting your view of the sky?

If none of the above is a factor, it's also possible it was flying 'dark' -- with no nav lights -- for some reason. But I can't imagine FAA regulations allow for a helicopter flying without lights over a built-up suburban area. That includes navigation lights, landing lights, and strobes (anti-collision). That's for civil aircraft, but there's military to consider also, and that's a whole different ball game!

A whole different ball game indeed! You can bet on it. The 'reality' most of us are forced to live in is a 'cage' to keep us in our place. They have totally different 'rules', for sure. And this permeates most of our 'trusted' institutions.

[Mike]

Pretty interesting. What were the weather conditions? Was it dry/clear, the stars visible, or was it cloudy/misty/raining? Is there a lot of light pollution in the area, or tall buildings impacting your view of the sky?

If none of the above is a factor, it's also possible it was flying 'dark' -- with no nav lights -- for some reason. But I can't imagine FAA regulations allow for a helicopter flying without lights over a built-up suburban area. That includes navigation lights, landing lights, and strobes (anti-collision). That's for civil aircraft, but there's military to consider also, and that's a whole different ball game!


No tall buildings around. The building I work at is long and low (just a typical 1 story building). And we were not quite in the middle of the parking lot but close to, so no obstruction there.

The weather: it wasn't a crystal clear starry night, but it wasn't excessively cloudy or misty either (no rain). There was no rational reason we couldn't have seen something as big as a chopper hovering just a hundred yards or so over our heads (or its lights).

This isn't the first strange thing that has occurred to me in this area:). It's a weird spot!

[Mari]

Pretty interesting. What were the weather conditions? Was it dry/clear, the stars visible, or was it cloudy/misty/raining? Is there a lot of light pollution in the area, or tall buildings impacting your view of the sky?

If none of the above is a factor, it's also possible it was flying 'dark' -- with no nav lights -- for some reason. But I can't imagine FAA regulations allow for a helicopter flying without lights over a built-up suburban area. That includes navigation lights, landing lights, and strobes (anti-collision). That's for civil aircraft, but there's military to consider also, and that's a whole different ball game!


No tall buildings around. The building I work at is long and low (just a typical 1 story building). And we were not quite in the middle of the parking lot but close to, so no obstruction there.

The weather: it wasn't a crystal clear starry night, but it wasn't excessively cloudy or misty either (no rain). There was no rational reason we couldn't have seen something as big as a chopper hovering just a hundred yards or so over our heads (or its lights).

This isn't the first strange thing that has occurred to me in this area:). It's a weird spot!

'Cloaked'....Mike?

[onawah]

Mike, your experience really struck a chord in me when I read about it, and I think I've experienced the same thing though I can't remember where or when.
It may well have been in the same spot where I saw a UFO up close, in the nearby woods where I used to go fairly regularly.
(On designated nights once a month when a group of people who had joined Dr. Steven Greer's CSETI group followed a certain protocol. See: https://www.ipsgeneva.com/en/directory/science/194-center-for-the-study-of-extraterrestrial-intelligence-cseti )
I wrote about a couple of my experiences here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114409-The-UAP-Task-Force-is-this-disclosure&p=1431422&viewfull=1#post1431422
...Though I think now that the bright light I saw was actually some kind of plasma.

[Johnnycomelately]

Some years ago, I recall reading that the police choppers here at Edmonton AB had a “quiet” mode, besides their “normal” mode. It didn’t say how this worked, but I imagine it has to do with main rotor rpm, and maybe tail rotor rpm.

With that in mind, I noticed that choppers incoming from their base (outside of the city, to the NW) sounded normal loud (we also have frequent local traffic by a medical bird and a news bird, which have their own distinctive sound). These police choppers, which I call ghetto-birds (after a magazine interview comment by an American inner city skateboarder) regularly hover over my part of the city at night, and these laps are significantly quieter than the dusk incoming times.

Pretty sure I have seen them fly blacked out, but they usually have lights and a flashing beacon, and often have strong spotlight on (onto some locale as they orbit).

Re: buildings, sounds like you’re correct to discount sound reflections at your/that location. I usually look for audible air traffic of all types, and sometimes the 3-story walkups around here do redirect the sounds, sometimes perplexingly.

[Denise/Dizi]

The technologies that have been created thus far are astonishing. I have seen some strange things myself...

This reminds me of a "Girls Camping Trip" my sister and aunt, and myself went on one weekend. We borrowed a pontoon boat, took it out on the lake and found a little cove where we wanted to camp. We had a few drinks, set up camp, and were having a good time. I had a lounge chair with me, and decided I wanted to sleep on that this evening, out of the tent. I was cold so I couldn't really sleep... And I was looking above myself, and saw a red blinking light in the sky above me... The type most see from a distance when they are near an airport. A slowly blinking light to mark mountains, or high structures, so planes at low altitudes do not hit something...

This blinking light was over the water however. Nothing tall, no dangers, it was right above us, and I was at the edge of the lake. The more I watched it, I began to see what it was... It was a pole, standing upright... and on the pole was a smaller pole that stuck out at a 90 degree angle... with another small pole adjoining it at the end, also upright like the original pole... Pointing down as if to balance the larger one (Imagine a lamppost with a bar coming off of it, and instead of a lamp hanging at the end of the extension, it was just another pole.. shorter than the first.

The side pole, that was extended out, was spinning around the larger pole.. all the while there was still this red blinking light on the top of this apparatus. I told someone about this one day, this was someone who was involved with high technologies and high tech aviation, and they knew exactly what I was talking about.

I asked my aunt to look up to see if she was seeing what I was seeing, and she looked up and said "Yes I see it".. But she then looked away as if it wasn't the most curious thing she had seen in the course of our camping trip thus far. It was odd indeed... I was shocked that she acknowledged it, yet wasn't the least bit curious what it was, or even moreso, why it was there!

The next morning, I was prepping food for our breakfast as my sister was cooking it.. By this point we had two large boats at the lake and there were only 3 of us... And one had untied and started to float away, so I ran into the water and recovered the rope... As I brought the boat back, I saw this beautiful, and quite large dragon fly... It was a beautiful blue color.. And I swear this dragonfly was playing with me, flying up to me, then quickly away... So I started playing with it, and I couldn't shake the thought that I was playing with a drone..

During this time in my life, I was experiencing a whole host of odd phenomenon... And there was indications that military or contractors were testing technologies, and I was the lucky recipient of being on the end of that testing. So for me, all of this was so very fascinating...

I fully believe that you experienced something similar Mike.. Funny how they make it so obvious... I think they single out those they know that have the capacity to understand that what they're seeing is high technologies, and rather than losing your mind, you would experience it, note it, and remember it, but not turn it into some circus, or something it isn't. Should you experience it again now, it wouldn't frighten you, you already now know it exists...

My guess is our guys and gals are testing our tech on our soil now, for possibly use elsewhere... And that makes sense to me.

[Victoria]

That's a really curious experience, Mike! Does it happen to be coming in a sequence of odd experiences for you? Good to have been with someone who was military and has a little knowledge of our craft abilities for perspective and reassurance in the moment.

Maybe it was one of the newer, lighter helos or newest tiltrotors? They blend the capabilities of helicopters and airplanes, taking off and landing vertically like helicopters but then tilt their rotors to fly forward like a fixed-wing aircraft. It alters the noise they produce.

If you look it up in Google:

"Noise Reduction in Tiltrotors": Research is being conducted to understand and reduce the noise generated by tiltrotors, particularly in their helicopter mode. One method involves controlling the blade pitch of the rotors using a technique called higher-harmonic control (HHC) to reduce blade-vortex interaction (BVI) noise, which is a major source of noise in tiltrotors during descent. However, this isn't about turning the sound on and off but rather about reducing it.

Also according to Google, the modifications typically done to reduce sound on helos, like your co-worker mentioned, are:

Addition of extra main rotor blades
Main rotor blade tip modifications
Engine adjustments
Use of mufflers and special baffles
Utilization of lead vinyl pads

(https://theaviationist.com/2011/05/25/a-stealth-little-bird/)


2024 CONTRACT TO BUILD Bell V-280 Valor: A next-generation tiltrotor designed for speed and agility, featuring a unique "X-wing" configuration
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/fort-worth/article297186129.html

A 2011 article about stealth blackhawks
https://christianbaghai.medium.com/the-stealth-black-hawks-a-deep-dive-into-americas-secretive-helicopters-e6f429a6b11f

"Another challenge facing the V-280 is its noise level. The tiltrotor design can produce more noise than traditional helicopters, which can be a concern for missions that require stealth or that take place in urban or residential areas. Bell Helicopter has been working to address this issue by incorporating new technologies, such as active noise reduction systems, to reduce the aircraft’s noise signature." https://www.fairlifts.com/helicopters/bell-v-280-valor/#:~:text=Another%20challenge%20facing%20the%20V%2D280%20is%20its,systems%2C%20to%20reduce%20the%20ai rcraft's%20noise%20signature.

This is a poster of the Night Stalkers various (acknowledged) craft over the years:

55478

Several years ago, there was a man from Vandenberg (and I think Onizuka just prior to being transferred) who came by my office in his flight suit. His demeanor put me on guard, plus he asked a few too many personal questions that I carefully avoided. A few days later, I went to our department meeting in another town and he was there, standing with our chief when I walked in. I was shocked to see him, as he saluted me. Oh how nice, he was joining our department.

He didn't waste any time sitting beside me asking my history, background, etc. and jumping into what we should start doing to improve the department. We had a weekend training just one week later and there he was again asking me about my license, my vehicles, why I chose to move to the area, where I was before, etc. He positioned himself literally seated against me entirely touching me from shoulder to shoe as he asked questions.

I chuckled them off and tried to be relaxed, shooting pointed questions right back to him. While we sat, two Osprey flew over (seeming to appear out of nowhere. Osprey: https://youtu.be/E_DxCsfLu94?si=IMIV0iZXQSiPhAbH) and did maneuvers. They are large and loud enough as impossible to be ignored. He commented on how rare it is to have them fly by while we watched them circle low overhead. He was so excited.

Aside of being in peak defense mode internally because of his prying, I remember the way their echo and sound panned off the rocks where we were sitting when they hovered over us. One moment being deafening, the next barely audible depending on which way they moved or tilted and how the sound ricocheted...that and the information he shared (that his strikingly pale blue eyes had been damaged by radiation in flight), are what I remember most from the moment. His presence and then departure marked a year of very strange experiences for us.

We get a lot of helo flybys during training...usually they are these Chinooks and there is no mistaking their approach from a mile away because of the thunderous sound they produce:
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When directly overhead, the vibration shakes things off of our walls. Typically, I equate them to training flights and MAFFS cooperative wildland mitigation.

However, these guys were 2/4 that literally circled our home property for approximately 15-20 minutes. We thought they were going to land or lower somebody down that particular day. It was alarming. Try calming a dozen barking dogs as the walls and ceiling are shaking to the ground. Had to wonder who was in them. Not sure why they decided to do that, but we took photos and waved, feeling nervously expectant. Nothing eventuated.

Even these smaller copters make a lot of noise:
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Possibly, more similar to what you experienced, in December of 2017, we were chasing a red orb atop one of the nearby mesas. It was moving low in the grass through neighboring cattle ranches. While we were bouncing down the dirt grade posthaste, my fiance was certain it was a department firetruck. I had to point out that no "normal" fire truck could speed along off road on that terrain and through multiple property fences, at 60+ mph. Plus, there had been no call- or it would have been us responding.

We chased it for 40 minutes before it crossed the road in front of us and circled our car putting an instantaneous end to an insane litany of guesses and questions. One of which was suspecting it was a drone or helicopter. We even parked beside it when it paused, with our windows and sun roof down, as it disappeared 15 ft behind a tree.

There was nothing but night time silence, until we speculated, "I wonder if it's a helicopter?" Moments later, the whomping whir of rotor blades filled the air and it picked up to speed off again with us trailing behind it. My dingy little cell phone was able to record those moments before and after the helicopter sound emerged. We were so disappointed that it was a helicopter, but marveled how just feet away it had been totally silent...and then only when we thought of it, tremendously noisy.

Ultimately, it was not a helicopter, or a drone. It appeared to be a single translucent glowing red (silent) orb, just a little bigger than a large beach ball that went from blinking to steady red when it circled us. I have to edit nearly an hour of the video to get those images and specific moments, but I'll post it here.

Maybe that is what you heard, too? Maybe what you experienced is an example, or another element, of "the phenomenon" interacting with and responding to your consciousness? :)

[Mike]

That's a really curious experience, Mike! Does it happen to be coming in a sequence of odd experiences for you? Good to have been with someone who was military and has a little knowledge of our craft abilities for perspective and reassurance in the moment.

Maybe it was one of the newer, lighter helos or newest tiltrotors? They blend the capabilities of helicopters and airplanes, taking off and landing vertically like helicopters but then tilt their rotors to fly forward like a fixed-wing aircraft. It alters the noise they produce.

If you look it up in Google:

"Noise Reduction in Tiltrotors": Research is being conducted to understand and reduce the noise generated by tiltrotors, particularly in their helicopter mode. One method involves controlling the blade pitch of the rotors using a technique called higher-harmonic control (HHC) to reduce blade-vortex interaction (BVI) noise, which is a major source of noise in tiltrotors during descent. However, this isn't about turning the sound on and off but rather about reducing it.

Also according to Google, the modifications typically done to reduce sound on helos, like your co-worker mentioned, are:

Addition of extra main rotor blades
Main rotor blade tip modifications
Engine adjustments
Use of mufflers and special baffles
Utilization of lead vinyl pads

(https://theaviationist.com/2011/05/25/a-stealth-little-bird/)


2024 CONTRACT TO BUILD Bell V-280 Valor: A next-generation tiltrotor designed for speed and agility, featuring a unique "X-wing" configuration
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/fort-worth/article297186129.html

A 2011 article about stealth blackhawks
https://christianbaghai.medium.com/the-stealth-black-hawks-a-deep-dive-into-americas-secretive-helicopters-e6f429a6b11f

"Another challenge facing the V-280 is its noise level. The tiltrotor design can produce more noise than traditional helicopters, which can be a concern for missions that require stealth or that take place in urban or residential areas. Bell Helicopter has been working to address this issue by incorporating new technologies, such as active noise reduction systems, to reduce the aircraft’s noise signature." https://www.fairlifts.com/helicopters/bell-v-280-valor/#:~:text=Another%20challenge%20facing%20the%20V%2D280%20is%20its,systems%2C%20to%20reduce%20the%20ai rcraft's%20noise%20signature.

This is a poster of the Night Stalkers various (acknowledged) craft over the years:

55478

Several years ago, there was a man from Vandenberg (and I think Onizuka just prior to being transferred) who came by my office in his flight suit. His demeanor put me on guard, plus he asked a few too many personal questions that I carefully avoided. A few days later, I went to our department meeting in another town and he was there, standing with our chief when I walked in. I was shocked to see him, as he saluted me. Oh how nice, he was joining our department.

He didn't waste any time sitting beside me asking my history, background, etc. and jumping into what we should start doing to improve the department. We had a weekend training just one week later and there he was again asking me about my license, my vehicles, why I chose to move to the area, where I was before, etc. He positioned himself literally seated against me entirely touching me from shoulder to shoe as he asked questions.

I chuckled them off and tried to be relaxed, shooting pointed questions right back to him. While we sat, two Osprey flew over (seeming to appear out of nowhere. Osprey: https://youtu.be/E_DxCsfLu94?si=IMIV0iZXQSiPhAbH) and did maneuvers. They are large and loud enough as impossible to be ignored. He commented on how rare it is to have them fly by while we watched them circle low overhead. He was so excited.

Aside of being in peak defense mode internally because of his prying, I remember the way their echo and sound panned off the rocks where we were sitting when they hovered over us. One moment being deafening, the next barely audible depending on which way they moved or tilted and how the sound ricocheted...that and the information he shared (that his strikingly pale blue eyes had been damaged by radiation in flight), are what I remember most from the moment. His presence and then departure marked a year of very strange experiences for us.

We get a lot of helo flybys during training...usually they are these Chinooks and there is no mistaking their approach from a mile away because of the thunderous sound they produce:
5547955480
When directly overhead, the vibration shakes things off of our walls. Typically, I equate them to training flights and MAFFS cooperative wildland mitigation.

However, these guys were 2/4 that literally circled our home property for approximately 15-20 minutes. We thought they were going to land or lower somebody down that particular day. It was alarming. Try calming a dozen barking dogs as the walls and ceiling are shaking to the ground. Had to wonder who was in them. Not sure why they decided to do that, but we took photos and waved, feeling nervously expectant. Nothing eventuated.

Even these smaller copters make a lot of noise:
55481
-------------------------------------

Possibly, more similar to what you experienced, in December of 2017, we were chasing a red orb atop one of the nearby mesas. It was moving low in the grass through neighboring cattle ranches. While we were bouncing down the dirt grade posthaste, my fiance was certain it was a department firetruck. I had to point out that no "normal" fire truck could speed along off road on that terrain and through multiple property fences, at 60+ mph. Plus, there had been no call- or it would have been us responding.

We chased it for 40 minutes before it crossed the road in front of us and circled our car putting an instantaneous end to an insane litany of guesses and questions. One of which was suspecting it was a drone or helicopter. We even parked beside it when it paused, with our windows and sun roof down, as it disappeared 15 ft behind a tree.

There was nothing but night time silence, until we speculated, "I wonder if it's a helicopter?" Moments later, the whomping whir of rotor blades filled the air and it picked up to speed off again with us trailing behind it. My dingy little cell phone was able to record those moments before and after the helicopter sound emerged. We were so disappointed that it was a helicopter, but marveled how just feet away it had been totally silent...and then only when we thought of it, tremendously noisy.

Ultimately, it was not a helicopter, or a drone. It appeared to be a single translucent glowing red (silent) orb, just a little bigger than a large beach ball that went from blinking to steady red when it circled us. I have to edit nearly an hour of the video to get those images and specific moments, but I'll post it here.

Maybe that is what you heard, too? Maybe what you experienced is an example, or another element, of "the phenomenon" interacting with and responding to your consciousness? :)


Awesome post, Victoria:thumbsup: Thanks for all that!

So, yes, it does happen to be among a sequence of odd events. These all range from the mundane (or the seemingly mundane) to the very dramatic. Some seem directly related to the chopper event and others do not. But for all I know, they're all related.

Some not so dramatic events (but undeniably weird):
I noticed my gas cap cover was sprung open on my car one morning a few weeks back. This hardly merits any calls to the paranormal police, but something about it troubled me, and I'm not sure why. Partially it's because I got home so late and left so early the following morning for the gym. Got in around 2:30am and left for the gym at around 7am. This left a window of a little over 4 hours, in the middle of the night, for someone to arrive and pop it open. It was on a weekday too, so there were no delinquents out and about. In fact this little town I live in is dead as can be by 11pm most nights. Nothing is open at that hour. By 2am, forget it. I can't even tell you the last time I saw another human being walking around my apartment complex anytime after 2am.

Having said all that, I would have happily forgotten it all if the following hadn't happened: I get in my car a couple weeks ago (not too long after the gas cap cover thing) and I go to grab my sunglasses from the little compartment where I always keep them (in a little nook under the temp controls) but they're not there. In this little nook is a sort of square shaped felt-type pad, to cover the plastic I s'pose. It's always been there, but on this day I notice some text on it that says "made in Mexico" splayed across the middle of it. I'd never seen that text before because it was on the reverse side of that pad. Somehow that pad got flipped over the previous night. (I didn't flip it over). And I later found my sunglasses in my glove compartment (I didn't put them in there). My car had been locked that night, so I have no idea how any of that is possible.

My coworker that was with me the night of the chopper event:
He was a military guy, but this was over 40 years ago. He was an army grunt, not an insider of any kind. But in the last year or so he's had some exceptionally bizarre experiences. He lives on a ranch, and his experiences are just about on par with anything I've seen or read about happening at Skinwalker Ranch. I even have pictures of some of it. He has seen some things that he's had an almost impossible time describing, including a being or entity (presumably) that folded up into itself in the most awkward way imaginable. He also sees this other entity or animal or whatever, at night, and it has glowing green eyes, eyes that are not separated by inches but instead something like 2 feet. The last time it arrived he took a picture of the ground area where it had roughly been, and it was torn up in a sort of haphazard way that did more to confuse than enlighten me (I have pics of this too). This entity has always maintained it's distance from him, but is slowly closing the gap.

- He's heard a massive creature walking outside his shed at night, where he sleeps sometimes, dragging it's body along the structure. He estimates it's about 8 feet tall.

- He's heard telepathic messages. He called me one morning at around 5am, explaining that something like a portal appeared in front of him, accompanied by a telepathic voice imploring him to jump inside it (he was disappointed in himself for not doing it!:). he's a very, very far out guy).

- He's woken up to small objects on his bedside table. I've seen one of them, but I refused to touch the f'in thing. His door was locked all night, so he has no idea how to explain any of it.

I've forgotten more than I've remembered of all the things he's told me. There's just so much. Just last week he told me he was compelled to draw a pentagram for no reason at all, and decorated the perimeter of it with various symbols that looked vaguely like hieroglyphs. Strange thing about that, except the obvious, is that he would not let me take a picture of his drawing. This after sharing pics of nearly his entire experience. It just spooked him so much that he didn't want any record of it after he threw the picture out.

I've kind of enjoyed hearing about his experiences, just as someone who has taken an interest in this stuff my whole adult life. I feel a certain comfort in being the voyeur - and not the experiencer - and I knew he sensed this one day as he was explaining one his experiences (not sure how I knew, I just did) and he said to me in a slightly annoyed way, "Ya know they know who you are too." It made the hairs on my arms stand up.

He once explained to me that his mother was a witch, but he used some other term for it...something common to the Ohio area he grew up in. Something like "hill witch" or something. Sorry, I can't recall. He's also recalled missing time events from his youth.

I'll leave you with that for now, and write the rest a little later. I'll explain a little more about the area the chopper event occurred at, and some of the other strange and unexplainable things that have happened in and around it. Just wanted to provide that context, however related or unrelated it may be.

Here's another fun fact, and I've debated whether or not to even include it because this all sounds so crazy already: he's sprouting hair in areas he never had hair before...like a f'in werewolf. And he's awoken in the morning with deep scratch marks on his legs, which I've seen with my own 2 eyes.

[Gemma13]

Wow Mike, you're really in the thick of it there buddy.

No doubt you're aware that some cases of obsession and harassment have been traced back to parents wittingly or unwittingly binding their children with their spiritual practices.

So how does your colleague feel about all the stuff happening to, and around him? Does he spend time investigating the paranormal because of his experiences? Did he do so before they started? What are his thoughts on demonology? Does he offer up any explanations for his experiences, or is he kinda baffled?

[Mike]

Wow Mike, you're really in the thick of it there buddy.

No doubt you're aware that some cases of obsession and harassment have been traced back to parents wittingly or unwittingly binding their children with their spiritual practices.

So how does your colleague feel about all the stuff happening to, and around him? Does he spend time investigating the paranormal because of his experiences? Did he do so before they started? What are his thoughts on demonology? Does he offer up any explanations for his experiences, or is he kinda baffled?


He's an Ohio country boy at heart, but he's deceptively sophisticated. By 'deceptively' I don't meant to say he's trying to trick anyone; I just mean that were you to meet him for just a minute or two, you'd likely walk away without ever suspecting he's anything more than what he presents himself as.

How does he feel about it all? He's drawn to it, on the one hand. And he's spooked by it, on the other. He seemed genuinely disappointed in himself for not leaping into the portal he described, but he was also quite spooked by the pentagram he was moved to draw (the symbols he drew along the perimeter of it were nothing he'd ever seen before, he told me. so the inspiration remains a mystery).

He'll send me pictures in the middle of the night of him sitting in his pickup truck with his guns, so he's clearly prepared to protect himself if he has to. But then he'll leave them all behind and go trudging thru the pitch black jungle on the property in search of whatever it is that's out there. So he's a mix of contradictions.

He's baffled by the events in the sense that he doesn't know what it all is or means, but he's not terribly surprised by it because he's had several highly strange and paranormal things happen to him in childhood. And a few as an adult.

He's not really the researching type, so he's not hunkered over his computer looking into this stuff. When he was a younger man (he's in his 60's now) he read some Castaneda and various other occult-related books. I know that much.

Re demonology: we've discussed this a little. He's open to any and all explanations. He's totally vulnerable where he is, and based on his experiences the phenomenon could have harmed of killed him even if it so pleased. It hasn't (yet anyway) and he interprets this as proof that it's not entirely malevolent (or maybe not malevolent at all). It hasn't offered any clues as to its motivations, so he doesn't quite know what to think.

[Gemma13]

Poor bugger. The taunting flip flop between sinister and benevolent must be confounding. Hope he stays safe. Scratches not good though... let alone unusual hair sprouting, wtf!

Hope you're reinforcing daily armour, my friend :)

[RunningDeer]

Hope you're reinforcing daily armour, my friend :)



Me, too. https://i.imgur.com/Hj6JRwI.gif


He once explained to me that his mother was a witch, but he used some other term for it...something common to the Ohio area he grew up in. Something like "hill witch" or something. Sorry, I can't recall. He's also recalled missing time events from his youth..



A term specific to folklore or storytelling in rural Ohio, and depending on whether it’s feared witch vs. respected herbalist: granny woman, root worker, or folk healer. They’re practicing folk magic such as herbal remedies, curses, blessings, etc.

In the Ohio and broader Appalachian region, alternative or local terms for witch might include:

Granny witch – A common Appalachian term, often referring to folk healers or "wise women" who practiced herbal medicine and traditional folk magic. Not necessarily negative.
Powwow or Powwower – More associated with Pennsylvania Dutch tradition (nearby region), referring to folk healers who used a blend of Christian and folk magic.
Hex doctor – Similar to powwow practitioners, sometimes called in to remove curses or "hexes."
Cunning woman/man – Less regional but sometimes used in folklore to describe a person who uses charms, herbs, and folk remedies.
Conjure woman/man – A term more common in Southern and African American folk traditions but sometimes used in parts of southern Ohio or Appalachia, particularly where Hoodoo influence reached.

(credit Google-Goggle)

[Mike]

Hope you're reinforcing daily armour, my friend :)



Me, too. https://i.imgur.com/Hj6JRwI.gif


He once explained to me that his mother was a witch, but he used some other term for it...something common to the Ohio area he grew up in. Something like "hill witch" or something. Sorry, I can't recall. He's also recalled missing time events from his youth..



A term specific to folklore or storytelling in rural Ohio, and depending on whether it’s feared witch vs. respected herbalist: granny woman, root worker, or folk healer. They’re practicing folk magic such as herbal remedies, curses, blessings, etc.

In the Ohio and broader Appalachian region, alternative or local terms for witch might include:

Granny witch – A common Appalachian term, often referring to folk healers or "wise women" who practiced herbal medicine and traditional folk magic. Not necessarily negative.
Powwow or Powwower – More associated with Pennsylvania Dutch tradition (nearby region), referring to folk healers who used a blend of Christian and folk magic.
Hex doctor – Similar to powwow practitioners, sometimes called in to remove curses or "hexes."
Cunning woman/man – Less regional but sometimes used in folklore to describe a person who uses charms, herbs, and folk remedies.
Conjure woman/man – A term more common in Southern and African American folk traditions but sometimes used in parts of southern Ohio or Appalachia, particularly where Hoodoo influence reached.

(credit Google-Goggle)


I called him late last night to ask for clarification. He said the correct term is "hill woman".

He described being a kid and seeing what seemed like endless rows of mason jars in the kitchen filled with not just herbs but also small animal parts.

His mother would often have one friend over, a fellow "hill woman", and they'd make my friend leave the house for the day. He suspects now they were performing rituals of some kind.

[Mike]

That's a really curious experience, Mike! Does it happen to be coming in a sequence of odd experiences for you? Good to have been with someone who was military and has a little knowledge of our craft abilities for perspective and reassurance in the moment.

Maybe it was one of the newer, lighter helos or newest tiltrotors? They blend the capabilities of helicopters and airplanes, taking off and landing vertically like helicopters but then tilt their rotors to fly forward like a fixed-wing aircraft. It alters the noise they produce.

If you look it up in Google:

"Noise Reduction in Tiltrotors": Research is being conducted to understand and reduce the noise generated by tiltrotors, particularly in their helicopter mode. One method involves controlling the blade pitch of the rotors using a technique called higher-harmonic control (HHC) to reduce blade-vortex interaction (BVI) noise, which is a major source of noise in tiltrotors during descent. However, this isn't about turning the sound on and off but rather about reducing it.

Also according to Google, the modifications typically done to reduce sound on helos, like your co-worker mentioned, are:

Addition of extra main rotor blades
Main rotor blade tip modifications
Engine adjustments
Use of mufflers and special baffles
Utilization of lead vinyl pads

(https://theaviationist.com/2011/05/25/a-stealth-little-bird/)


2024 CONTRACT TO BUILD Bell V-280 Valor: A next-generation tiltrotor designed for speed and agility, featuring a unique "X-wing" configuration
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/fort-worth/article297186129.html

A 2011 article about stealth blackhawks
https://christianbaghai.medium.com/the-stealth-black-hawks-a-deep-dive-into-americas-secretive-helicopters-e6f429a6b11f

"Another challenge facing the V-280 is its noise level. The tiltrotor design can produce more noise than traditional helicopters, which can be a concern for missions that require stealth or that take place in urban or residential areas. Bell Helicopter has been working to address this issue by incorporating new technologies, such as active noise reduction systems, to reduce the aircraft’s noise signature." https://www.fairlifts.com/helicopters/bell-v-280-valor/#:~:text=Another%20challenge%20facing%20the%20V%2D280%20is%20its,systems%2C%20to%20reduce%20the%20ai rcraft's%20noise%20signature.

This is a poster of the Night Stalkers various (acknowledged) craft over the years:

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Several years ago, there was a man from Vandenberg (and I think Onizuka just prior to being transferred) who came by my office in his flight suit. His demeanor put me on guard, plus he asked a few too many personal questions that I carefully avoided. A few days later, I went to our department meeting in another town and he was there, standing with our chief when I walked in. I was shocked to see him, as he saluted me. Oh how nice, he was joining our department.

He didn't waste any time sitting beside me asking my history, background, etc. and jumping into what we should start doing to improve the department. We had a weekend training just one week later and there he was again asking me about my license, my vehicles, why I chose to move to the area, where I was before, etc. He positioned himself literally seated against me entirely touching me from shoulder to shoe as he asked questions.

I chuckled them off and tried to be relaxed, shooting pointed questions right back to him. While we sat, two Osprey flew over (seeming to appear out of nowhere. Osprey: https://youtu.be/E_DxCsfLu94?si=IMIV0iZXQSiPhAbH) and did maneuvers. They are large and loud enough as impossible to be ignored. He commented on how rare it is to have them fly by while we watched them circle low overhead. He was so excited.

Aside of being in peak defense mode internally because of his prying, I remember the way their echo and sound panned off the rocks where we were sitting when they hovered over us. One moment being deafening, the next barely audible depending on which way they moved or tilted and how the sound ricocheted...that and the information he shared (that his strikingly pale blue eyes had been damaged by radiation in flight), are what I remember most from the moment. His presence and then departure marked a year of very strange experiences for us.

We get a lot of helo flybys during training...usually they are these Chinooks and there is no mistaking their approach from a mile away because of the thunderous sound they produce:
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When directly overhead, the vibration shakes things off of our walls. Typically, I equate them to training flights and MAFFS cooperative wildland mitigation.

However, these guys were 2/4 that literally circled our home property for approximately 15-20 minutes. We thought they were going to land or lower somebody down that particular day. It was alarming. Try calming a dozen barking dogs as the walls and ceiling are shaking to the ground. Had to wonder who was in them. Not sure why they decided to do that, but we took photos and waved, feeling nervously expectant. Nothing eventuated.

Even these smaller copters make a lot of noise:
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Possibly, more similar to what you experienced, in December of 2017, we were chasing a red orb atop one of the nearby mesas. It was moving low in the grass through neighboring cattle ranches. While we were bouncing down the dirt grade posthaste, my fiance was certain it was a department firetruck. I had to point out that no "normal" fire truck could speed along off road on that terrain and through multiple property fences, at 60+ mph. Plus, there had been no call- or it would have been us responding.

We chased it for 40 minutes before it crossed the road in front of us and circled our car putting an instantaneous end to an insane litany of guesses and questions. One of which was suspecting it was a drone or helicopter. We even parked beside it when it paused, with our windows and sun roof down, as it disappeared 15 ft behind a tree.

There was nothing but night time silence, until we speculated, "I wonder if it's a helicopter?" Moments later, the whomping whir of rotor blades filled the air and it picked up to speed off again with us trailing behind it. My dingy little cell phone was able to record those moments before and after the helicopter sound emerged. We were so disappointed that it was a helicopter, but marveled how just feet away it had been totally silent...and then only when we thought of it, tremendously noisy.

Ultimately, it was not a helicopter, or a drone. It appeared to be a single translucent glowing red (silent) orb, just a little bigger than a large beach ball that went from blinking to steady red when it circled us. I have to edit nearly an hour of the video to get those images and specific moments, but I'll post it here.

Maybe that is what you heard, too? Maybe what you experienced is an example, or another element, of "the phenomenon" interacting with and responding to your consciousness? :)


Awesome post, Victoria:thumbsup: Thanks for all that!

So, yes, it does happen to be among a sequence of odd events. These all range from the mundane (or the seemingly mundane) to the very dramatic. Some seem directly related to the chopper event and others do not. But for all I know, they're all related.

Some not so dramatic events (but undeniably weird):
I noticed my gas cap cover was sprung open on my car one morning a few weeks back. This hardly merits any calls to the paranormal police, but something about it troubled me, and I'm not sure why. Partially it's because I got home so late and left so early the following morning for the gym. Got in around 2:30am and left for the gym at around 7am. This left a window of a little over 4 hours, in the middle of the night, for someone to arrive and pop it open. It was on a weekday too, so there were no delinquents out and about. In fact this little town I live in is dead as can be by 11pm most nights. Nothing is open at that hour. By 2am, forget it. I can't even tell you the last time I saw another human being walking around my apartment complex anytime after 2am.

Having said all that, I would have happily forgotten it all if the following hadn't happened: I get in my car a couple weeks ago (not too long after the gas cap cover thing) and I go to grab my sunglasses from the little compartment where I always keep them (in a little nook under the temp controls) but they're not there. In this little nook is a sort of square shaped felt-type pad, to cover the plastic I s'pose. It's always been there, but on this day I notice some text on it that says "made in Mexico" splayed across the middle of it. I'd never seen that text before because it was on the reverse side of that pad. Somehow that pad got flipped over the previous night. (I didn't flip it over). And I later found my sunglasses in my glove compartment (I didn't put them in there). My car had been locked that night, so I have no idea how any of that is possible.

My coworker that was with me the night of the chopper event:
He was a military guy, but this was over 40 years ago. He was an army grunt, not an insider of any kind. But in the last year or so he's had some exceptionally bizarre experiences. He lives on a ranch, and his experiences are just about on par with anything I've seen or read about happening at Skinwalker Ranch. I even have pictures of some of it. He has seen some things that he's had an almost impossible time describing, including a being or entity (presumably) that folded up into itself in the most awkward way imaginable. He also sees this other entity or animal or whatever, at night, and it has glowing green eyes, eyes that are not separated by inches but instead something like 2 feet. The last time it arrived he took a picture of the ground area where it had roughly been, and it was torn up in a sort of haphazard way that did more to confuse than enlighten me (I have pics of this too). This entity has always maintained it's distance from him, but is slowly closing the gap.

- He's heard a massive creature walking outside his shed at night, where he sleeps sometimes, dragging it's body along the structure. He estimates it's about 8 feet tall.

- He's heard telepathic messages. He called me one morning at around 5am, explaining that something like a portal appeared in front of him, accompanied by a telepathic voice imploring him to jump inside it (he was disappointed in himself for not doing it!:). he's a very, very far out guy).

- He's woken up to small objects on his bedside table. I've seen one of them, but I refused to touch the f'in thing. His door was locked all night, so he has no idea how to explain any of it.

I've forgotten more than I've remembered of all the things he's told me. There's just so much. Just last week he told me he was compelled to draw a pentagram for no reason at all, and decorated the perimeter of it with various symbols that looked vaguely like hieroglyphs. Strange thing about that, except the obvious, is that he would not let me take a picture of his drawing. This after sharing pics of nearly his entire experience. It just spooked him so much that he didn't want any record of it after he threw the picture out.

I've kind of enjoyed hearing about his experiences, just as someone who has taken an interest in this stuff my whole adult life. I feel a certain comfort in being the voyeur - and not the experiencer - and I knew he sensed this one day as he was explaining one his experiences (not sure how I knew, I just did) and he said to me in a slightly annoyed way, "Ya know they know who you are too." It made the hairs on my arms stand up.

He once explained to me that his mother was a witch, but he used some other term for it...something common to the Ohio area he grew up in. Something like "hill witch" or something. Sorry, I can't recall. He's also recalled missing time events from his youth.

I'll leave you with that for now, and write the rest a little later. I'll explain a little more about the area the chopper event occurred at, and some of the other strange and unexplainable things that have happened in and around it. Just wanted to provide that context, however related or unrelated it may be.

Here's another fun fact, and I've debated whether or not to even include it because this all sounds so crazy already: he's sprouting hair in areas he never had hair before...like a f'in werewolf. And he's awoken in the morning with deep scratch marks on his legs, which I've seen with my own 2 eyes.



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The area where I work could be considered a sort of business/industrial district. But it's a little off the beaten path. It's built on top of what used to be kind of a swampy area. It has the feel of a wildlife preserve one day, and Stephen King's 'Pet Cemetery' the next. On top of all the possums and raccoons one might see, there are also roving bands of coyotes, strange looking birds, and every so often a bear will make an appearance. Recently I've been feeling like I've been in zoo of some sort this whole time, unawares.

It isn't uncommon for me to see helicopters flying in from the north, stopping above our location, hovering for several minutes, and then flying back north (but always at a normal altitude). Usually it happens pretty late, between 1am and 2am. But until recently, I've always been able to see them quite clearly.

There's what I guess you'd call an abandoned high school immediately across the street from our building. It's no longer in use, anyway. 'For sale' signs out front.

I've explored the outside of this school while cruising on my electric bike. One day, maybe a couple months ago, I rounded the right side of the building and emerged into something like a courtyard. I had a strange sense of foreboding once I reached that area. Something, whatever it was (an energy? an entity? not sure, but some form of consciousness) felt some combination of embarrassed/offended at being caught off guard. I sensed my presence was an affront in some way, and that something like pride had been wounded as a result. It's hard to explain, but it felt inappropriate for me to be there. Whatever it was, it was surprised to see me there. And not being used to being surprised, it emanated a sense of indignation. A hint of shame, but mostly offended. Sort of the way a royal or aristocrat of some kind might feel were they approached carelessly by a mere commoner. But it was also a little curious...

I could have just imagined it all, but I'm not prone to intuitive reads like this. I'm sort of a bull in a china shop most of the time, and I don't get these sorts of impressions very often.

Fast forward to about a month ago, and I suddenly began seeing cars in the lot of the high school. The lights in the school are turned on now occasionally, and it's a spooky site late at night. It sits back off the road, a low building, and it resembles more a fortress or bunker than a high school.

There's also a dumpster in front of the school now as well. But I've never seen anyone doing any kind of work on it. I just see the occasional vehicle there. No workers, no construction, no heavy machinery.

This is where it gets weird:
Starting about 3 weeks ago, a car (not always the same car) places itself maybe 20 yards from the exit of the high school, facing the main road (and facing our building), and doesn't budge from the beginning of my shift till the end (8 hrs). It's still there when I leave, so who knows how long it remains there for. There are always one or more men in the vehicle, men that I can't quite identify. When the sun goes down, they start the vehicle up and turn on the headlights...and they remain there for hours, never once moving.

Our exit is directly across the street from theirs, so like clockwork I drive up the small incline in our lot leading up to the main street after my shift, and I'm confronted by the glaring lights of this mystery vehicle. It's a little unsettling. I'm dreading the day they pull out and follow me...

I can think of no reason on God's green earth why that car just sits there for over 8 hours. It feels like a mild form of harassment.

There's more but I'll save it for the next post...

[onawah]

Yikes! It sounds like some kind of "Men in Black" scenario.
Also like a very powerful poltergeist.
Perhaps the Men in Black are investigating the poltergeist.
I've known some powerful witches, and they were very helpful to me when I was in a tricky situation.
If your friend is able to contact any of the witches from his mother's coven, they might be able to help or at least offer some insights.

[Mike]

Yikes! It sounds like some kind of "Men in Black" scenario.
Also like a very powerful poltergeist.
Perhaps the Men in Black are investigating the poltergeist.
I've known some powerful witches, and they were very helpful to me when I was in a tricky situation.
If your friend is able to contact any of the witches from his mother's coven, they might be able to help or at least offer some insights.


It does have that men in black feel to it, in some ways. Or perhaps a gang-stalking tactic or something. Not sure. But it feels like some form of psy-harassment. Or maybe I'm being very dramatic and there's some perfectly reasonable explanation for it, but I can't imagine what that might be.

It needs to be said that from the time my shift begins till it ends, there are hundreds of people in that building. So I don't think they're there for me (I hope not anyway). But I think this week I'm going to approach them and inquire (politely) as to their business there. This weird sh!t has gone on long enough.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It all sounds very unsettling. If I were you, I wouldn't approach them alone. Perhaps bring your ex-military co-worker along if he's on hand. When you say "hundreds of people in that building", do you mean the abandoned school or your building where you work? If the latter, maybe ask around among your colleagues. There has to be someone who knows what's going on in that school.

[onawah]

I agree, but I wouldn't approach them at all.
Given that the men are just sitting in their vehicle for such long periods of time and how suspicious that behavior is, I would think asking the local police to investigate would be a much safer and probably more effective course of action.
If I recall correctly, I think you used to work in a school, though I don't know if that is still the case.
If it is, then, it's particularly suspicious behavior if the crowded building is full of kids!


It all sounds very unsettling. If I were you, I wouldn't approach them alone. Perhaps bring your ex-military co-worker along if he's on hand. When you say "hundreds of people in that building", do you mean the abandoned school or your building where you work? If the latter, maybe ask around among your colleagues. There has to be someone who knows what's going on in that school.

[Mike]

It all sounds very unsettling. If I were you, I wouldn't approach them alone. Perhaps bring your ex-military co-worker along if he's on hand. When you say "hundreds of people in that building", do you mean the abandoned school or your building where you work? If the latter, maybe ask around among your colleagues. There has to be someone who knows what's going on in that school.


The building where I work.

I've never seen anyone on foot in or around that school. Just the parked car.

I arrived at 7am this morning to work, and sure enough that one car was sitting there, parked underneath some trees (but not facing the exit like it is during the week). It's just weird man.

I asked our security guard about it once. He told me that he had to kick some men off our property who were taking pictures of the old school building. I'm pretty sure these are the men who sit in the car during my evening shift.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Onawah had the best idea: tell the police. Report it as suspicious activity and let them check it out. Let your tax dollars do its thing and take the risk for you!