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Richard
1st February 2011, 16:51
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Crowd gathers in Tahrir, or Liberation, Square in Cairo, Egypt, February 1, 2011

Hundreds of thousands of people have flooded into central Cairo, where protesters have called for a "million-strong" march to press their demand that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak cede power.

Peaceful protesters carried signs saying "Bye, bye Mubarak" and chanted "Take him with you" as helicopters flew overhead. Effigies of Mr. Mubarak hung from traffic lights.

Military forces are stationed throughout the capital, but were not interfering with the rally crowds. The army announced earlier it recognizes the "legitimate demands" of the Egyptian people, and pledged not to fire on protesters.

Opposition activist Mohamed ElBaradei told Al Arabiya television that Mr. Mubarak should leave in order for Egyptians to start a "new phase."

Egypt's powerful Muslim Brotherhood and the secular opposition have chosen ElBaradei to represent their side in possible negotiations with the army over Mr. Mubarak's departure.

Thousands gathered for other massive protests in Suez and the northern port city of Alexandria.

National train services were cancelled for a second day and streets leading into Cairo were blocked, continuing what some consider an attempt by authorities to prevent rural residents from joining the urban protests.

An unprecedented Internet cutoff remains in place in Egypt Tuesday. But Google announced it has created a way for Twitter users to post to the micro-blogging site by dialing a phone number and leaving a voicemail.

Egypt's newly appointed vice president said Mr. Mubarak has asked him to begin immediate discussions with all "political forces" on constitutional and legislative reforms. Omar Suleiman, a longtime intelligence chief and confidant of Mr. Mubarak, did not say what the changes will entail or which groups the government will contact.

The Muslim Brotherhood says it will not negotiate as long as Mr. Mubarak remains in office.

A crisis committee from Egypt's newly formed opposition coalition met Monday to discuss strategy in anticipation of Mr. Mubarak's ouster. The gathering issued a call for Tuesday's escalated protests but did not reach a final agreement on a list of demands.

At least 140 people died during protest violence in the past week. Mr. Mubarak on Monday replaced the widely reviled interior minister Habib Adly, who was in charge of the police and plainclothes domestic security forces.

The military's central command has been meeting frequently during the past week to review intelligence on the political situation as well as what many see as a growing economic crisis from the continued unrest. Banks and the stock market remained closed for a second day Tuesday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FQHFSfMRxA

norman
1st February 2011, 16:57
Is this another colour revolution?

or is it just a cover for a smash and grap raid of the key treasures the state has so far held on to?

Zook
1st February 2011, 17:10
Is this another colour revolution?
or is it just a cover for a smash and grap raid of the key treasures the state has so far held on to?

Either way, you can be sure it is not a grass-roots uprising. Color revolutions, without exception, are manipulated events with geopolitical considerations.

:smow::typing:

ps: MOD hat off opinions all around (MODHOFF-OAA)

bodixa
1st February 2011, 17:21
I love it. It's brilliant. Vive la Revolution (or is that Viva la..... whatever.) :)

Calz
1st February 2011, 17:26
Is this another colour revolution?

or is it just a cover for a smash and grap raid of the key treasures the state has so far held on to?

This feels different. There *are* many photos of signs printed in english which gives pause ... but this seems to go beyoned "color revelotions" despite what is actually happening.

Elandiel BernElve
1st February 2011, 17:40
The signs in different languages have been introduced by the people after they noticed those are far more influantial on foreign media considering foreign leaders haven't yet really used strong statements against Mubarak they wish to reach a wider international public by going international on their signs and prints

58andfixed
1st February 2011, 19:32
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Crowd gathers in Tahrir, or Liberation, Square in Cairo, Egypt, February 1, 2011



The following video clip from YouTube could blow the hidden agenda framed Hegelian dialectic out of the water.

"Will you Support Egypt?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjcKniQ3jsc

2m 21s 111 views

"Which side of history will you be on?"

- 58

RedeZra
2nd February 2011, 10:24
the West has conducted a series of so-called color revolutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution) to instate pro-Western regimes in former Soviet states - the Rose in Georgia the Orange in Ukraine the Tulip in Kyrgyzstan

Gene Sharp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Sharp) - the 'Machiavelli of nonviolence' - has written a handbook 'From Dictatorship to Democracy' which is a manual in how to peacefully overthrow governments with the use of student activism and youth resistance

Youth movement leaders have been trained and funded by Western non-governmental organizations like the Albert Einstein Institution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein_Institution) and the Soros Foundation


It is perhaps too early to conclude the color of the Egyptian revolution amist the propaganda but pro-Western Mubarak is an old man and will have to go soon - so it's not impossible that what we see in Egypt is the West's attempt to get ahead of any real revolution

Time will tell ; )

Calz
2nd February 2011, 15:27
the West has conducted a series of so-called color revolutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution) to instate pro-Western regimes in former Soviet states - the Rose in Georgia the Orange in Ukraine the Tulip in Kyrgyzstan

Gene Sharp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Sharp) - the 'Machiavelli of nonviolence' - has written a handbook 'From Dictatorship to Democracy' which is a manual in how to peacefully overthrow governments with the use of student activism and youth resistance

Youth movement leaders have been trained and funded by Western non-governmental organizations like the Albert Einstein Institution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein_Institution) and the Soros Foundation


It is perhaps too early to conclude the color of the Egyptian revolution amist the propaganda but pro-Western Mubarak is an old man and will have to go soon - so it's not impossible that what we see in Egypt is the West's attempt to get ahead of any real revolution

Time will tell ; )


David Icke on Alex Jones radio show covers this quite nicely.

Have to post the link rather than embed the vid cuz I don't yet have "permission" but this is worth the time to listen to.

14 minute vid ... skip the first 3 1/2 minutes of advertisements:


http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/44302-david-icke-talks-about-egypt-and-the-agenda-for-the-middle-east-on-the-alex-jones-show

*edit*

appears that video splices to the next so longer than I first posted.

Muzz
2nd February 2011, 21:31
Breaking: Rumors on Twitter suggest Mubarak gone

http://www.examiner.com/foreign-policy-in-national/breaking-rumors-on-tweeter-suggest-mubarak-gone

Fredkc
2nd February 2011, 21:42
Muzz;
Note, the story is from approx. 24 hrs ago.

I don't think he's gone yet. I have a hunch that the violence in the square today is being orchestrated by Mubarak's folk. Several reasons:
1. The increased violence may be intended to get the army to step in either a) on his side, or b) on the side of "law and order" either reason serving him in the end.
2. Should this violence "stray near" the museum, then Mubarak would have synpathetic support, world wide for just about any kind of strong move to quell this.

The linked story goes back to the time just before his taped TV appearnce, I believe, and yes, there was much speculation he may have already left, before it was released. And then... he basically said a lot of nothing, indicating he still held hopes of putting a lid on things by pretending to give way a bit.

Anyway, the way it struck me,
Fred

Dale
2nd February 2011, 22:27
And at the end of the day, the trees all get wheeled away.

Though positive intent fills the hearts of these protesters, even a brief viewing of civilized history will illustrate to the simply mind that rebellions and coups simply are ineffective. They are merely creative outlets for the rebellious.

If change, of any benevolent sort, will occur; it will not be the result of a demonstration in the streets. It will have to come from something deeper, something within - a new lifestyle.

Until then, we are free to play with such ghostly concepts as "hope" and "victory."

Chuck
2nd February 2011, 22:53
And at the end of the day, the trees all get wheeled away.

Though positive intent fills the hearts of these protesters, even a brief viewing of civilized history will illustrate to the simply mind that rebellions and coups simply are ineffective. They are merely creative outlets for the rebellious.

If change, of any benevolent sort, will occur; it will not be the result of a demonstration in the streets. It will have to come from something deeper, something within - a new lifestyle.

Until then, we are free to play with such ghostly concepts as "hope" and "victory."

mmmm... Thanks Dale. Something to keep in mind for the days to come.

Calz
5th February 2011, 17:19
I know Laura Knight J has some issues (as illustrated by Bill and others) but she still comes up with some great material as well as "her news site":


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/223197-There-s-Something-Happening-Here