Important audio interview with Dr Bill Deagle, April 2010

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, All:

Click here for a funny, profound and important six-minute teaser summary of a new, major audio interview with Dr Bill Deagle:

http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_14_April_2010_extract.mp3

You need to hear this: both the teaser and the interview, which should be posted in a few hours' time. Enjoy. :)

The hour and a half which precedes it is about the causal connection between Planet X (not a planet, but a brown dwarf star, currently somewhere round the orbit of Jupiter) and the clear trend of increased volcanic and earthquake activity that's becoming increasingly hard for anyone to ignore.

Best wishes to all, Bill


Update: Full interview now posted:
http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_14_April_2010.mp3

[blue777]

Thanks Bill
What can the ordinary person do to Survive?
lol
blue

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thats was good Bill...LOL I look foward to the interview...

viking

[irishspirit]

lol... Bill and Bill very funny. Can't wait to listen to the full interview.

[blue777]

lol... Bill and Bill very funny. Can't wait to listen to the full interview.

Its what you call a Double Bill
lol

[HORIZONS]

Looking forward to the full interview.

[Menkaure]

Thank you Bill... As always, I look forward to anything you do.

[Steven]

Hello Bill. Thanks for this interview. About the brown dwarf; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_(star)

Interesting reading, and certainly interesting people to be interviewed...

Namaste, Steven

[Lyricus]

Looking forward to the full interview Bill.

Nice to hear Dr Bill having a laugh.

[smat]

Thanks Bill, I'm looking forward to listening to the full interview.

[Bill Ryan]

Full interview now posted:

http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_14_April_2010.mp3

[bashi]

Hi Bill,
in the teaser Dr. D said something like "when the spirit starts to move, i will let you know immediately"
What is he refering to ?

[Lyricus]

Yipeeeee!

Been looking forward to hearing from Bill Deagle again.

Thanks Bill.

[Swanny]

Cheers Bill listening now. Sound is a bit sketchy though he keeps disappearing.

[Northern Boy]

I`m just going to avoid him (deagle ) like always........... if i wanted to listen to bull shi t I`d go to city council meeting first

[perfectresonance]

Although not as forthright as Northern Boy, I am very interested why you, Bill, consider Deagle someone worth listening to. He style is scattered, frequently incomprehensible, doesn't back much up with references, sources or hard fact, and is exasperating to listen to. To make it worse, he presents himself as a jack of all trades and a master of none.

Yet.

He seems to have street cred. Why is this?

( I'm also distrustful of anyone who insists on using their professional title outside of their area of expertise. Just because you are a doctor in microbiology, for example, doesn't make you any more than a well informed layperson in most other disciplines. )

The following has a bit of a backgrounder on Deagle which can be of use to start off the discussions:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread398534/pg1
and
http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/2008/02/dr_27.html

I think these are valid questions Bill (R). And also goes to the question of who are these people that get to have our attention through you? Surely you must have some degree of quality control over the process?

[samvado]

Although not as forthright as Northern Boy, I am very interested why you, Bill, consider Deagle someone worth listening to. He style is scattered, frequently incomprehensible, doesn't back much up with references, sources or hard fact, and is exasperating to listen to. To make it worse, he presents himself as a jack of all trades and a master of none.

Yet.

He seems to have street cred. Why is this?

( I'm also distrustful of anyone who insists on using their professional title outside of their area of expertise. Just because you are a doctor in microbiology, for example, doesn't make you any more than a well informed layperson in most other disciplines. )

The following has a bit of a backgrounded on Deagle which can be of use to start off the discussions:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread398534/pg1
and
http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/2008/02/dr_27.html

I think these are valid questions Bill (R). And also goes to the question of who are these people that get to have our attention through you? Heather, Ben, Bill Deagle. Surely you must have some degree of quality control over the process?

Thank you perfectresonace, you took the words just out of my mind. (and saved me the time to write them).

[Solace]

"We are hyperdimensional beings, We have 9 bodies"

Why 9 bodies?? Why not 10 or 100000? I will never understand these claims... Please explain it, somebody. :faint2:

[G.Deluca]

interesting interview even if i don't agree with him in many things .thank you bill

[Operator]

"We are hyperdimensional beings, We have 9 bodies"

Why 9 bodies?? Why not 10 or 100000? I will never understand these claims... Please explain it, somebody. :faint2:

Well I do not claim to know but I recently asked questions myself about number 9 (see Planet51 thread). Others have given some answers.
But now in this context it gave me a little aha moment ... I think it has to do with oversoul ... and heard something like that before. I think
Stewart Swerdlow talked about it. I am not sure if all if this is true ... but it just triggered some of my 'parked' info ...

[Swami]

"We are hyperdimensional beings, We have 9 bodies"

Why 9 bodies?? Why not 10 or 100000? I will never understand these claims... Please explain it, somebody. :faint2:

As far as I understand it, it has to do with densities. I thought it was 7, but here they speak of 9. So you have 9 bodies of different densities.
http://images.google.nl/images?um=1&hl=nl&tbs=&ei=d3XNS8bsLpGd-gaqtu0b&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Barbara+ann+brennan&spell=1&start=0

There are an uncountable number of parallel universes you can enter with these 9 (7?) bodies. From most of which we are "cut-off", the DNA-thing.

Could be cr@pola thoo........

[Bill Ryan]

I am very interested why you, Bill, consider Deagle someone worth listening to.

As far as I can recall, as I write this (having listened to his Dec 2006 Granada Forum Lecture nine times through, interviewed him on video for three hours at his home, and talked to him on audio for many hours on and off record), everything I've ever heard and learned from all other whistleblowers and other sources corroborates his information.

To put that in reverse: nothing I know contradicts any of his data.

In December 2007 I was in the room with Henry Deacon, who was staying with me at the time, when he talked with Bill Deagle on Skjype for the first time. They had a 45 minute conversation in which they exchanged project locations, project names, and classified codewords (much of which I didn't understand) - and they concluded that they probably worked in the same facilities at the same time at some point and must have met one another before.

That was another corroborating factor. I know nothing to indicate that his information is not totally authentic. Even his amusing anecdote about free-falling for quite a long time while descending in the elevator to the underground base (see this six minute extract... it's at the very end of the interview (http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_14_April_2010_extract.mp3)) I had heard before - EXACTLY the same description - but had never reported it as it was off-record.

Every date point correlates. That's why I value his input.

If someone doesn't like his style, personality, humor, or anything else, then that's fine... but it's the data that's important. It might be helpful to keep those issues separate.

Anyone who refuses to listen to his material because they've already made up their mind may run the risk of appearing closed-minded.

Very best, Bill

[samvado]

As far as I can recall, as I write this (having listened to his Dec 2006 Granada Forum Lecture nine times through, interviewed him on video for three hours at his home, and talked to him on audio for many hours on and off record), everything I've ever heard and learned from all other whistleblowers and other sources corroborates his information.

To put that in reverse: nothing I know contradicts any of his data.


That statement would help me if I knew how much it is you know and how much of that has been independently verified. e.g. is the location if that underground base known without a doubt?
if not he may just have had access to the same info you had. if its all a disinfo game why wouldnt disinfo agents share their stories? makes them the more believable to an already extremely gullible newage public.
How come he was transferred to exactly the same level (2 minutes free fall) and not a higher or lower level?

"nothing I know contradicts any of his data." sounds great, but doesnt mean much. I could say the same. I have listened to each and every camelot interview since inception (with the exception of the new camelot stuff coming from kerry)



In December 2007 I was in the room with Henry Deacon, who was staying with me at the time, when he talked with Bill Deagle on Skjype for the first time.


and you know that because..? he told you?



They had a 45 minute conversation in which they exchanged project locations, project names, and classified codewords (much of which I didn't understand) - and they concluded that they probably worked in the same facilities at the same time at some point and must have met one another before.


good show, for your benefit? after all you are the transmitter to the greater public ...
"Henry Deacon" is not exactly a character who comes across as trustworthy.



That was another corroborating factor. I know nothing to indicate that his information is not totally authentic. Even his amusing anecdote about free-falling for quite a long time while descending in the elevator to the underground base


see above



Every date point correlates. That's why I value his input.


in your very small world of "whistleblowers"



If someone doesn't like his style, personality, humor, or anything else, then that's fine... but it's the data that's important. It might be helpful to keep those issues separate.


this obviously has nothing to do with the data received.



Anyone who refuses to listen to his material because they've already made up their mind may run the risk of appearing closed-minded.


anybody believing stuff thats hasnt been independently verified AT ALL, meaning someone WENT there and LOOKED and took PHOTOS is running the risk to spread disinfo.
if Deagle was there it woudnt be too much to ask the coordinates, would it?

besides, and thats totally subjective and just meant as an aside, my stomach turns just listening to him. in my book he's a storyteller.

[Operator]

Anyone who refuses to listen to his material because they've already made up their mind may run the risk of appearing closed-minded.


I agree with you here ...
I don't like listening to some of the people out there either. And some of them started out great but unfortunately probably start making up things to sustain the attention.

But NOT listening may be a bad decision ... I tend to listen and 'park' it as information. When other corroborating information comes along you can start building the picture from there.
By NOT listening one ends up missing parts of the puzzle ... and indeed most probably because one thinks how the puzzle SHOULD look like to begin with.

It requires mentally stable persons free from fear (even fear for paranoia) to 'handle' this info ...
So ... ? Are we the ones we were waiting for ?

[Mauree]

Thankyou Bill, I really apreciate the information.

[john.d]

As far as I can recall, as I write this (having listened to his Dec 2006 Granada Forum Lecture nine times through, interviewed him on video for three hours at his home, and talked to him on audio for many hours on and off record), everything I've ever heard and learned from all other whistleblowers and other sources corroborates his information.

To put that in reverse: nothing I know contradicts any of his data.

In December 2007 I was in the room with Henry Deacon, who was staying with me at the time, when he talked with Bill Deagle on Skjype for the first time. They had a 45 minute conversation in which they exchanged project locations, project names, and classified codewords (much of which I didn't understand) - and they concluded that they probably worked in the same facilities at the same time at some point and must have met one another before.

That was another corroborating factor. I know nothing to indicate that his information is not totally authentic. Even his amusing anecdote about free-falling for quite a long time while descending in the elevator to the underground base (see this six minute extract... it's at the very end of the interview (http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_14_April_2010_extract.mp3)) I had heard before - EXACTLY the same description - but had never reported it as it was off-record.

Every date point correlates. That's why I value his input.

If someone doesn't like his style, personality, humor, or anything else, then that's fine... but it's the data that's important. It might be helpful to keep those issues separate.

Anyone who refuses to listen to his material because they've already made up their mind may run the risk of appearing closed-minded.

Very best, Bill

Hi bill , what did you think to his comment on your video interview with him about the Rothschild pindar coming to his bedroom and offering him his job ? That really made me raise an eyebrow :)
Cheers
John

[Bill Ryan]

Hi bill , what did you think to his comment on your video interview with him about the Rothschild pindar coming to his bedroom and offering him his job ? That really made me raise an eyebrow :)
Cheers
John

Good question. I don't know whether that was a physical appearance/experience or a metaphysical one... I suspect the latter.

[Bill Ryan]

and you know that because..? he told you?

[referring to my being present when Henry and Dr Bill talked with one another for the first time]

It was obvious. They'd not spoken with one another before. You must have had the experience of being with two people who are meeting one another for the first time.


"Henry Deacon" is not exactly a character who comes across as trustworthy.

To you, you mean! You're offering opinions based on your feelings. You're entitled to do that, but I'm trying to correlate and align data. I suggest that the two processes may be different.

Just to clarify (and you may not be aware of this) Kerry and I spent literally hundreds of hours with Henry. We met him on dozens of occasions over a three year period and talked for hours on end each time. In December 2007 he stayed at my apartment for a week, and slept on the floor.

David Wilcock initially contacted me (and later Kerry) because Henry's information correlated with his own information from his insider source 'Daniel'. He had never published that, and David was amazed to see the same information turning up elsewhere from an independent source. This was Camelot's entire initial connection with David.

You see, a LOT of this very wild information totally aligns and correlates. One has to pay attention to that if one is being intellectually honest.

We saw Henry's employment verification, went to his house, saw his passport (real name: Arthur Neumann), and sat in a corner in a bar close to his place of work where he was recognized and greeted by his colleagues. He showed his passport on camera in our Futuretalk 5 in Barcelona with Bob Dean and Alfred Webre.

Henry was absolutely who he said he was, and I believe he had the experiences he said he had. I know real emotion when someone is weeping on my shoulder. He was in a great deal of physical and emotional pain for various reasons, and Kerry and I got to know him as a friend. He's a very sensitive and warm-hearted soul who had had some extraordinary experiences that I don't believe anyone else is qualifies to judge.

He is now been taken out of the loop having been threatened (after his July 2009 Barcelona revelation on stage about Mars, following Bob Dean's presentation) and I doubt he will make any more public statements of any kind.

That Henry's information correlates with Deagle's is significant to me. There's a lot of crazy information out there. But some of the crazy information is true.

With best wishes, Bill

[samvado]

It was obvious. They'd not spoken with one another before. You must have had the experience of being with two people who are meeting one another for the first time.

I may have been, I didnt notice because in my case there was nothing important about the fact that they met for the first time. Your case is different.
And i have been lied to and have witnessed VERY convincing cases of actor-hood (e.g. by one of my ex-gf) that later when i found out the truth completely dumbfounded me.

People can be extremely convincing for extended periods if they have a good reason for playing a role. even for a pices/cancer person who in general has a good intuition (like me).

If he is cointel his papers would be flawless and the locations and people you saw interacting with him would be too. Bigger stunts have been enacted.

and then the brown dwarf: check it out yourself. how big is a brown dwarf, how big are the gravitational disturbances? could he be seen from where he supposedly is today? what about the ribbon of energy, the photon belt, the dust cloud, the superwave - is it ALL coming at us at this time in magical sychronicity?

The situation is a bit like with the moon landings, if you believe they didnt you cant have the towers and cities observed at the back of the moon. which way is it going to be?

There is of course the question of GAIN for him. But what is the gain for a person like Laura Knight-Jadczyk to be like she is?

I dont buy, sorry.

[Bill Ryan]

[A lot of critical stuff]

Sam, I'm writing this wearing my moderator's hat. You've only been on the forum for a month, and have aded 250 posts at a rate of nearly 8 per day.

Many of your contributions are long and critical. Your energy is quite sharp, and you may not be aware of that.

Cool it a little... I share your passion for being intelligently skeptical, but don't make the understandable mistake of overwhelming the threads with your personal opinions on things.

We're all working together here to figure things out, and what I really want to see here is debate based on real issues and facts, rather than an exchange of opinions. People have been exchanging opinions of thousands of years on Planet Earth and it's not really made a lot of difference.

What I'm trying to bring to the table is evidence of various kinds (even if they're events in my personal experience), and that is what I will always give you if at all possible. When I have an opinion, that's slightly different, and I'll always try to make that clear.

Your critical posts are rather like having someone in a round table meeting who is shouting loudly and insistently. That's a product of your strength of feeling, but remember that an overplayed strength can sometimes become a weakness, and it may appear to others that you're dominating things, or others with whom you disagree strongly may not have a pleasant experience when reading your posts.

That's not the idea here. I get annoyed about things too, but I also try to moderate myself if I can! We don't want to discuss personalities. In my opinion :) this is of little value. See my contribution to the Laura K-J thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?625-Laura-Knight-Jadczyk-whats-wrong-with-her&p=11424&viewfull=1#post11424

... to which you've also posted frequently (you started the thread!), and here I think we largely agree. But my contribution is still based on evidence and data and direct experience of various kinds.

All best wishes, Bill

[K626]

Ha ha Bill, that's exactly what I told him when I met him last week. He's a good soul though.

K

[samvado]

Ha ha Bill, that's exactly what I told him when I met him last week. He's a good soul though.

K

If I recall correctly you told me not to ever leave this forum under any circumstances because I would be NEEDED.
You may recall that I did not share you sentiment at the time.

btw: why didnt you show up on Thursday? i was waiting.

[K626]

If I recall correctly you told me not to ever leave this forum under any circumstances because I would be NEEDED.
You may recall that I did not share you sentiment at the time.

btw: why didnt you show up on Thursday? i was waiting.

We're all needed. I'm sure you also recall me suggesting your interjections in threads are sometimes a littel 'heavy'. I'm fine with that cause having met you I know you are a good person and perfectly harmless...yay!!

Thu? Thought we would reschedule. If it was Thu, apologies, completely slipped my mind (my mind is more or less useless for long periods)..

Txt me if you want to meet this week.

Blessings

KDeagle

[samvado]

Sam, I'm writing this wearing my moderator's hat. You've only been on the forum for a month, and have aded 250 posts at a rate of nearly 8 per day.

yes, most of it during my 3 month vacation on Gomera where I had little else to do (ran out of books after 2 month).



Many of your contributions are long and critical. Your energy is quite sharp, and you may not be aware of that.


Oh, I am , rest assured, I am. And I want it that way. My master was Osho, with whom I was long enough to learn (from the best, I would say).

I asume in your favor that you only read a small sampling of my contributions. I am one of the few here who apply a means of critizim based on a life full of learning and experiences in many fields that should be nothing but welcome. But I will not impose myself, although that is your judgement. If you decide you want it all nice and cozy you can have it for the asking.

I resent you implied assumption your experiences in life are more profound than mine. I did not have the same as you did but I have learned -the hard way- to discern.
Read my Humble critique, its based 100% on my own experience whereas you have tried mms how often?

I also resent your assumption you could check people better than I. E.g. when I say that Deagle might have fooled you that IS feedback based on life experience, not idle talk.
I dont need to ever have met Bush or Obama to have a good check on their psyche and their way to deal with reality. I dont need to be with them in their living room for any extended time.

In the end, what is real? is the observer with some distanced not often better poised to discern a situation than the one in the middle of it?
It was so often in my own life where I was the one in the middle and friends gave me their distant perspective, if I did not listen to them it was to my disadvantage more often than not.

Finaly, being german, I dont have the vocabulary you have. some things are possbly said with more sensitivity, but I may lack the words.

As I already said to Richard with whom I had a similar exchange a while back, I have never posted to Avalon1, although i was a member from the beginning, I can just as well revert back to "reader" status in avalon2 if you dont want your feathers ruffled.

all the best
-sam

[blue777]

yes, most of it during my 3 month vacation on Gomera where I had little else to do (ran out of books after 2 month).



Oh, I am , rest assured, I am. And I want it that way. My master was Osho, with whom I was long enough to learn (from the best, I would say).

I asume in your favor that you only read a small sampling of my contributions. I am one of the few here who apply a means of critizim based on a life full of learning and experiences in many fields that should be nothing but welcome. But I will not impose myself, although that is your judgement. If you decide you want it all nice and cozy you can have it for the asking.

I resent you implied assumption your experiences in life are more profound than mine. I did not have the same as you did but I have learned -the hard way- to discern.
Read my Humble critique, its based 100% on my own experience whereas you have tried mms how often?

I also resent your assumption you could check people better than I. E.g. when I say that Deagle might have fooled you that IS feedback based on life experience, not idle talk.
I dont need to ever have met Bush or Obama to have a good check on their psyche and their way to deal with reality. I dont need to be with them in their living room for any extended time.

In the end, what is real? is the observer with some distanced not often better poised to discern a situation than the one in the middle of it?
It was so often in my own life where I was the one in the middle and friends gave me their distant perspective, if I did not listen to them it was to my disadvantage more often than not.

Finaly, being german, I dont have the vocabulary you have. some things are possbly said with more sensitivity, but I may lack the words.

As I already said to Richard with whom I had a similar exchange a while back, I have never posted to Avalon1, although i was a member from the beginning, I can just as well revert back to "reader" status in avalon2 if you dont want your feathers ruffled.

all the best
-sam

Hello Sam,
You can discern a person from the tone of his e-mails , there is an awfuul lot of "I's" meaning "self"which comes over as arrogant and shows no humility............secondly if you have a master....you are under someones authority,thirdly truth reality is gained through suffering......If you think Dr. deagle is lying,why is he lying , whom does he work for? and why has he the opposite view to you? answer these questions in a humility , positive way
thanks
blue

[Swami]

@Samvado

Why didn't you post on Avalon 1....?
2 posts only, now more than 255
What was the trigger....?

[samvado]

@Samvado

Why didn't you post on Avalon 1....?
2 posts only, now more than 255
What was the trigger....?

I had read quite a bit and it all smacked very much of kindergarden.
with avalon2 I had high hopes that the way of of looking at unusual statements would be somehow more discerning. but i think it was all only a matter of etiquette in the end, be nice and all is well sort of thing.

[Swami]

I had read quite a bit and it all smacked very much of kindergarden.
with avalon2 I had high hopes that the way of of looking at unusual statements would be somehow more discerning. but i think it was all only a matter of etiquette in the end, be nice and all is well sort of thing.

So, you dont like the place......??

[samvado]

So, you dont like the place......??

it depends, some comments are quite deep and profound, but the minority. the watering down factor is high. its hard to maintain a thread on anything without interference from the kindergarden fraction. then the discernment level is low. nidle and GFL are discussed in all earnest and this "heather material" which took Bill Ryan (and me) one look to discern is discussed at great length, just one example. its tiring to wade thru all that stuff.

[Swami]

it depends, some comments are quite deep and profound, but the minority. the watering down factor is high. its hard to maintain a thread on anything without interference from the kindergarden fraction. then the discernment level is low. nidle and GFL are discussed in all earnest and this "heather material" which took Bill Ryan (and me) one look to discern is discussed at great length, just one example. its tiring to wade thru all that stuff.

Does this cause anger in your cells.......??


one look to discern is discussed at great length, just one example. its tiring to wade thru all that stuf

Thats a big fat contradiction in my opinion.........

[HORIZONS]

Why not start a thread about Sam and get this one back on topic. You could call it I am Sam! and rant all day on it without subjecting us all to this energy.

[Gita]

Why not start a thread about Sam and get this one back on topic. You could call it I am Sam! and rant all day on it without subjecting us all to this energy.

I second that cos I'm getting bored with this. :bored:Lets get back to something more interesting, i.e the title of this thread.

:offtopic::offtopic:

[HORIZONS]

My thoughts on the Deagle interview: He was truly hyped up about what he had to say, and he was all over the board. His bottom line sounded "to me" like we are doomed unless we ALL as a race of beings come together in some sort of unity and bring about change. "I" felt like he is saying that unless we follow his insights the race of humanity will be wiped out. I thought it was very dark even though he tried to lighten it up with some of his humor. For those that dared to listen to it what did you hear?

[blue777]

My thoughts on the Deagle interview: He was truly hyped up about what he had to say, and he was all over the board. His bottom line sounded "to me" like we are doomed unless we ALL as a race of beings come together in some sort of unity and bring about change. "I" felt like he is saying that unless we follow his insights the race of humanity will be wiped out. I thought it was very dark even though he tried to lighten it up with some of his humor. For those that dared to listen to it what did you hear?

What I heard sounded like the truth and reality......people have stopped looking at reality and have gone within....conquering fear is to face up to reality i.e catastrophes....survival is key

[samvado]

To put that in reverse: nothing I know contradicts any of his data.

Lets see, I am listening now the 2nd time to the recording, the first was just casually but now i register the details.

1) How is precession doing anything to us? afaik precession is not a accelerated movement - no forces are generated (not my expertise though)
2) Dwarf star the mass of 20 earth? Jupiter has 317.8 Earths mass and is not a dwarf star
3) anything the size of 20 earth inside the jupiter orb should be visible with binoculars
4) if all those satelites have already seen it where are the pics you can see online? a link would end this discussion
5) why is it invisible? doesnt it reflect sunlight like all celestial bodies in the visible spectrum? its not a black hole...
6) referencing Fulford - the master of predictions that dont come to pass (Kissinger is dead, no he's not, he is, no he isnt ..)
7) Not by fire but by ice - I have read it. IMO its scientifically highly questionable (again, I'm no expert on that)
8) pluto is NOT an oort cloud object - oort is ~1 lightyear away from us
9) I also like the electric universe theory - but he is stretching it. (I read all the books about it he cited in the beginning)
if anything i believe a dust cloud could have such an effect, not this "dwarf star"
10) earth is a nuclear reactor because of uranium? the uranium we use is ENRICHED. natural uranium doesnt get that hot.
11) 29:00 the weather patterns he descibes is NOT what we are seeing.
maybe its coming but its not here yet.
12) highly suspicious but have to check: UV kills phytoplakton en mass
13) 38:00 all those HUGE underground facilities, coordinates? where is the excavated
material? nobody saw anything in the vincinity? no eyewitnesses at all?
14) getting a strong denial is a sign for truth? what are they supposed to say?? its a
double bind.
15) 40:00 we know that ... who is WE? lots of autrageous statements with zero sources
16) black hole/white hole? I dont believe in singularities ...
17 Plasma discharge thru the ocean? correct me if I'm wrong but afaik plasma doesnt
even get thru the earth atmosphere. plasma is nuclei without electron shells. they
live at high temperatures and/or low densities.
18) 44:00 You need to distract the population from the fact that you go underground
into cities that nobody knows exist and that you could hide throuout the time of their
creation - but when you all disappear into them in your free-fall elevators the
sleeping people will all of a sudden interfere?? how? I think its a bit of an overdose
to create war and pestilence and hunger and whatnot as a DISTRACTION.
19) the magnetic flip of the earth is not nearly as fast as that of the sun. there is
no synchronicity there.
20) 59:00 didnt he say before that the nemesis is in the asteriod belt? then it was
below the ecliptic, now it has a lot of debries like COMETS (plural) around it - and
its close to the MARS orb. we should be seing it with naked eyes. what a spectacular
view when it collides with all the asteriods. The Comets alone would be worth watching
- why isnt anyone seeing anything yet? youtube should be flooded, not just with one or
two little thingies.
21) 60:00 you dont have to be good at differential calculus, its BASIC to calculate
the acceleration of a stellar object given a few points and times along its path.
so whats the result? why not just state it?
22) In 12 month???? they should have been on it since a year or more.
23) we have 9 bodies? 5th dimensional body? and he knows this because? (it sounds like
gurdjieff)
24) 68:00 new physical theories? where do they come from? this is not what Heim
teaches <bigsmile>
25) 69 oh, now he cites Kaku. plus a lot of channeled stuff. how does he know all
that? sources?
26) the council of WHAT? not the FOL or GFL or ashtar? another one?
numerous people here rise up in arms whenever someone channels - but not if DEAGLE
says he stands in FRONT of that council? physicaly? in spirit? proof?
27) 71:00 wait - we are generating our own reality? and we can be influenced to choose
badly? didnt SETH say that in 1963? yet Deagle deems it necessary to ask Bill Ryan if
he FOLLOWS on that - twice. OK, what does that say about our Bills?
Ryan will probably blame me of being negative but i'm just pointing something out
here.
29) I am not saying what he says is wrong, I am just saying its all cold coffee.
If I want spiritual guidance I wont call "Dr. Bill".
30) 76:00 now Deagle knows THE TRUTH (capitals) - I heard that before. I didnt
believe it then.
31) OK, lets do a little calculation here. according to Deagle the brown dwarf left
the ooort cloud 5 years ago. now its inside the jupiter orbit.
50.000 AU in 5 years, thats 10.000 AU in 1 year, thats 10.000 times earth-sun in one
year, thats 27 AU per DAY !!! it was accelerating and because I dont know the rate of
acceleration i will be generous and allow a huge error of a factor of TEN. thats still
2.7 AU per day.
it will hit tomorrow if its now at the mars orbit!!!!!

I went up to minute 82 of 147.
thats enough for today.

some of the stuff i am remarking on may be incorrect from my side but the sheer mass
of it is stunning.

And to top it: Deagle doesnt say a THING I havnt heard elsewhere.

Good night and good luck.

-sam

[Operator]

we are doomed unless we ALL as a race of beings come together in some sort of unity and bring about change.

We don't need a whistle blower to tell us that ... I forgot to add to my previous post ... we ourselves are the best whistle blowers ... look more often inward instead of expecting the answer from an outside source ...

The Neanderthal went extinct because they never changed anything (Ian X. Lungold) ... so let's bring about change, do it different this time and let's not be too dependent on whistle blowers (as soon as a source is deemed reliable and trustworthy it is prone to infiltration anyway).

[bashi]

My thoughts on the Deagle interview: He was truly hyped up about what he had to say, and he was all over the board. His bottom line sounded "to me" like we are doomed unless we ALL as a race of beings come together in some sort of unity and bring about change. "I" felt like he is saying that unless we follow his insights the race of humanity will be wiped out. I thought it was very dark even though he tried to lighten it up with some of his humor. For those that dared to listen to it what did you hear?



Deagle is always hyper. Although its again a big mix of everthing, he sounds more positive than before.
When i heard him first time, i was shocked about his doom and gloom outlook. Sounded like a panic-attack to drive you into his nutrition-pack-purchase.
I am waiting to see the articles on his website, which should proof the coming of NEMESIS.
I always wonder how such a massive body can come so many times into the solar-system without causing chaos in the orbits. I am highly sceptical of that, but open. I witnessed the heavy hand on you-tube regarding a vid from the SPT, the southpole telescope. I watched it, and when i wanted to download it the next day, it was gone. it was put up again by another channel, which was also taken down. I am NOT talking about the Nibirushock vid, which had a similar fate.
so, lets see what the new links at clayandiron will show, will clay become flesh or remain iron?


.

[Sunny d]

Why not start a thread about Sam and get this one back on topic. You could call it I am Sam! and rant all day on it without subjecting us all to this energy.

+1

Sorry Sam...!

[bashi]

+1

Sorry Sam...!

Do you know a super power with three letters?



SAM

[lightblue]

like it or not, samvado is on topic...

i remember specially announced interview with dr deagle on october 4th last year (PC)..nothing became of what he so frantically waned of.. you just knew it wouldn't....

he may have some mental issues that he is not aware of...particularly because he regards himself a prophet in the first place..that always troubles me ... i am on the irreverent slant...l

[shiva777]

an important thing to realise is that there are a huge number of contributing factors to what will happen in the coming months and years and our human intelligence and psyche is not able to process even a fraction of what contributes to the coming times...you can get as scientific as you like about pole shifts but there are spiritual forces interacting with "science" that can change all that scientifc analysis in a second so that it becomes largely obsolete and trivial....we have witnessed theorists and whistleblowers consistently proven to be wrong...let's face it we make it up as we go along and our Higher spiritual families and selves have contributing influences beyond our wildest dreams...live in the present and tune in to your Greater Self..all is well no matter what occurs

[Kulapops]

The universe can change as it pleases, in my opinion. Laws that never seemed possible might appear one day and seem like they were always there.

Like living in a world that 'suffers' from no fly zones due to volcanic ash.

Did anyone ever see a programme about this scientific fact/event? If you'd have told me ten years ago you could have an event where all planes are grounded in Europe for six days, I'd have raised my eyebrows. All the Discovery channels and science programmes and I don't remember any covering this.

Were all flights grounded when Mount St Helen's blew in the 80'S ? For five days?

But I never read about the possibility of this in any daily paper, or school textbook.

People worry about chemtrails and then suddenly, the skies are clear. For all we know, in one reality, this volcano could continue for years, keeping planes on the floor. Who's to say that is not [I]possible? What of the illuminati plans to poison us then?

So I do not think that we really know how the universe truly works, but it comforts us to think that we do.

Science is always doing this to us. We think we are just 'refining' our existing knowledge, but who's to say the universe isn't inventing these new rules as it goes along ?!

How would you know the difference ?

:0

[SteveX]

Were all flights grounded when Mount St Helen's blew in the 80'S ? For five days?

But I never read about the possibility of this in any daily paper, or school textbook.

We didn't have Health and BLOODY Safety back then

[3(C)+me]

After I listened to this video (thanks Bill) my first thought was which timeline is he describing? Not the timeline I plan to be on. I have to remind myself that this is just his estimate and as prior posts have said many factors are playing out here so it will be interesting to see what exactly happens. I just wish he would turn the fear factor on so high.

[3(C)+me]

I meant to say turn down the fear factor.

[3optic]

I meant to say turn down the fear factor.

Hehe! Point taken. I had similar reactions to Deagle's material when I first encountered it. I made a point to listen to his show regularly so I could sort out what he was saying. Without going into detail (I'd like to start a thread about his show which I find alternately entertaining, informative, irritating and even deadly boring), I'd say I've become immune to the adrenal quality of his analysis as a result. If you don't have the time or patience to model this exercise, I highly recommend it's outcome by whatever means!

In other words: See to it that when you sort through information that it is useful to you and that it doesn't end up using you.

[blue777]

Hehe! Point taken. I had similar reactions to Deagle's material when I first encountered it. I made a point to listen to his show regularly so I could sort out what he was saying. Without going into detail (I'd like to start a thread about his show which I find alternately entertaining, informative, irritating and even deadly boring), I'd say I've become immune to the adrenal quality of his analysis as a result. If you don't have the time or patience to model this exercise, I highly recommend it's outcome by whatever means!

In other words: See to it that when you sort through information that it is useful to you and that it doesn't end up using you.

I think Dr DEAGLE IS SPEAKING THE TRUTH AND SHOWING US REALITY
LOL
BLUE

[samvado]

I think Dr DEAGLE IS SPEAKING THE TRUTH AND SHOWING US REALITY
LOL
BLUE

and people are hitting on me for my comments. what do you mean when you say "I think" - because you cant possibly mean what I mean when I use that word. it is speaking volumes that there are any number of sarcastic remarks - from the usual suspects I might add, but nobody says a word that would debunk what I have written. is this a religious forum with whatever Bill Ryan puts out has to be OK or even gets credit beyond the provable and/or obvious because it is sanctioned by HIM?

I have now gotten TWO invites from "themistsofavalon" prophecising that I will soon be banned for my open critical stance towards nonsense like that Deagle interview. I have politely declined because I dont need yet another kindergarden. the only other voice of reason I recognize here, bashi, remains suspiciously silent although I invited him to look at my post and point out possible mistakes. so is it true that whoever opposes BILL is declared "negative" and "oppressive" like in scientology? we will see I guess.

[blue777]

and people are hitting on me for my comments. what do you mean when you say "I think" - because you cant possibly mean what I mean when I use that word. it is speaking volumes that there are any number of sarcastic remarks - from the usual suspects I might add, but nobody says a word that would debunk what I have written. is this a religious forum with whatever Bill Ryan puts out has to be OK or even gets credit beyond the provable and/or obvious because it is sanctioned by HIM?

I have now gotten TWO invites from "themistsofavalon" prophecising that I will soon be banned for my open critical stance towards nonsense like that Deagle interview. I have politely declined because I dont need yet another kindergarden. the only other voice of reason I recognize here, bashi, remains suspiciously silent although I invited him to look at my post and point out possible mistakes. so is it true that whoever opposes BILL is declared "negative" and "oppressive" like in scientology? we will see I guess.

Why are you attacking Bill,he is the one who interviews these people with inside knowledge....we have to discern information from disinformation Intuitively.Secondly calling this place a kindegarten is an act of arrogance as some of us have PhD's...therefore you are setting yourself up as an authority.I said I think due to the fact i feel it intuitively
lol

[perfectresonance]

<snip>

nothing I know contradicts any of [Deagle's] data.

<snip>

Anyone who refuses to listen to his material because they've already made up their mind may run the risk of appearing closed-minded.

Very best, Bill

Ok, I'll take that like a man :)

I appreciate the response to what was a pretty loaded question. I had put Deagle on the shelf, but will take him off again and listen carefully....

I note it took you NINE times of listening to the same presentation also, to get the idea Deagle was presenting! (tongue firmly in cheek here) :)

Thanks Bill.

[Vidya Moksha]

and people are hitting on me for my comments. what do you mean when you say "I think" - because you cant possibly mean what I mean when I use that word. it is speaking volumes that there are any number of sarcastic remarks - from the usual suspects I might add, but nobody says a word that would debunk what I have written. is this a religious forum with whatever Bill Ryan puts out has to be OK or even gets credit beyond the provable and/or obvious because it is sanctioned by HIM?

I have now gotten TWO invites from "themistsofavalon" prophecising that I will soon be banned for my open critical stance towards nonsense like that Deagle interview. I have politely declined because I dont need yet another kindergarden. the only other voice of reason I recognize here, bashi, remains suspiciously silent although I invited him to look at my post and point out possible mistakes. so is it true that whoever opposes BILL is declared "negative" and "oppressive" like in scientology? we will see I guess.

Sam, people are hitting on you for the way you deliver your comments, not for the comments themselves. Even you contradict yourself at times, we are all in the same boat eh? as a follower of osho perhaps use some of his teachings to outflow more from the heart than the head? Your comments here re Deagle are valid and I, for one. agree with most, if not all of them. Doesnt mean i dont get something from listening to him, but i dont think you see what i am getting at when i make such statements (ie its what you individual get out of it, the way you are made to think. If i see something i dont agreee with, or even have a strong dislike of, its still all valid experience). Also, dont paint all of us with with the same brush, we can agree and disagree on different topics.

if you want to openly critique something look at my tarot post in the spirituality thread, way back, one of the first posts on this forum. i would be interested to hear your cutting criticism, i can take it lol :P

[annemirri]

I

And i have been lied to

and have witnessed VERY convincing cases of actor-hood (e.g. by one of my ex-gf)
hat later when i found out the truth completely dumbfounded me.

People can be extremely convincing for extended periods if they have a good reason for playing a role.

even for a pices/cancer person who in general has a good intuition (like me).



Sam,

I do like your posts, sharp in a good way,
and I can really feel that you want to KNOW, find out the real truths,

and if you can convince a german you can convince anyone !

and p.s.
do not let your ex girlfriend still ruin your life, you have learned your lessons,
there is still much true love left in the world, even for loving insightful Pisces/Cancer !
a.

[samvado]

Sam, people are hitting on you for the way you deliver your comments, not for the comments themselves. Even you contradict yourself at times, we are all in the same boat eh? as a follower of osho perhaps use some of his teachings to outflow more from the heart than the head? Your comments here re Deagle are valid and I, for one. agree with most, if not all of them. Doesnt mean i dont get something from listening to him, but i dont think you see what i am getting at when i make such statements (ie its what you individual get out of it, the way you are made to think. If i see something i dont agreee with, or even have a strong dislike of, its still all valid experience). Also, dont paint all of us with with the same brush, we can agree and disagree on different topics.

if you want to openly critique something look at my tarot post in the spirituality thread, way back, one of the first posts on this forum. i would be interested to hear your cutting criticism, i can take it lol :P

Do I contradict myself? you bet. First I dont have a good memory, so if i learn anything I forget what I knew before. people come and rub it under my nose but its just like an update, you delete the older version first.

I agree that my means of delivery is colored by my personality. as soon as I get rid of that for good I will notify you and give satsang. you are invited to sit left to me and comfort those i have previously hit with my zen stick. As long as I have it I will keep it as it is, no need to improve on a useless asset.

If you have EVER listened to a number of Osho discourses you would not be able to suggest what you just did. He was a far more mercyless master than I am (and I am not even a master - yet). It is a sign for lack of insight to judge by social accptable parameters what is "from the heart" and what not. A zen master can KILL his desciple - from the heart. And they did (in the past). Osho invited everybody, but he never wasted time on the unwilling. those who didnt learn where quickly gotten rid of - mostly all by themselves. Those who could not stand the heat left the kitchen so to speak.

So, back to topic, what do you get from listening to Deagle other than fear (or fun if you are sufficiently enlightened)? if its all a joke, however, I dont have time for it. if its b/s I will take the time to debunk it BUT to a limited extend. if its not accepted, just as well. I will move on as I ever have.

regarding tarot, I dont do tarot any more - but I am willing to look at your thread, throw me a link please.

[blue777]

I thought all religions where created to keep Makind in check....Buddhism is another religion , does not have the ultimate truth.The word "Zen" is Japanese for a style of Buddhism, but didn't Buddhism come from India?

[samvado]

I thought all religions where created to keep Makind in check....Buddhism is another religion , does not have the ultimate truth.The word "Zen" is Japanese for a style of Buddhism, but didn't Buddhism come from India?

Blue, read Zen mind, beginners mind, then come back.

[perfectresonance]

anybody believing stuff thats hasnt been independently verified AT ALL, meaning someone WENT there and LOOKED and took PHOTOS is running the risk to spread disinfo.
if Deagle was there it woudnt be too much to ask the coordinates, would it?



Sam

Although I would like this to be true in every instance, you simply don't get whistleblowers that have independently verified proof to tell their story.

By the nature of the material, it will be new stuff that jumped the gate before it was meant to.

You simply have to learn to have a huge "maybe" information pile.

In my case, I also use people like Bill as a filter. As in "if Bill says it's ok, then I'll give it more weight".

My reason for putting the heat under Bill over Deagle was that Deagle had talked himself into my "surely not" pile, and I wanted to know why Bill, who I have a lot of respect for, seems to have Deagle in his "sounds pretty good to me" pile ;)

I don't know how you work in your real life, but I know people that have my respect. And if they vouch for someone, I do not need independent proof - simply by having someone that I respect vouching for someone I don't know, they are immediately elevated to a more trusted level. And that stays that way until something happens to shake that belief. No process of "obtaining proof" occurs. You simply accept the judgment of your trusted source.

In the case of Bill and Deagle, I had a crisis - Bill vouches for Deagle who I, by my own research and listening, had put on probation as probably a person with little credibility. The fact Bill has vouched for Deagle now puts me in a spot where Deagles gets a 2nd try. That's the way it works. Either that, or I lose confidence in Bill. Which I no real basis for doing.

[Vidya Moksha]

sam: you are invited to sit left to me and comfort those i have previously hit with my zen stick. As long as I have it I will keep it as it is, no need to improve on a useless asset.

the fool: Dont zen masters use the sticks as appropriate, when required , and arent they well targetted and generally well meaning? Does your stick do this? -

sam: If you have EVER listened to a number of Osho discourses you would not be able to suggest what you just did.

the idiot: well, i can say categorically you are wrong here, as i have heard many osho discourses and i have read many of his books prepared from the same. and i definitely posted wht i did, i remember typing it. so i guess what you mean to say, in samspeak is that i am an idiot who didnt even understand what osho was saying' well i guess we all take different things away when we blindly examine the elephant.

didnt osho tell us there are 3 types of fool? which type are you?

you are a bright man capable of in depth research, i guess i left enough clues as the whereabouts of the tarot post if you can be bothered.

[blue777]

Blue, read Zen mind, beginners mind, then come back.

If you accept any religion as the authority you are undermining all other religions...therefore if we get rid of religions, we get rid of insanity that fundamental religion creates...Religion was created to keep mankind in check...being a master ,is being a master of consciousness only..and that comes with a great deal of suffering...ask any master
lol

[Vidya Moksha]

So, back to topic, what do you get from listening to Deagle other than fear (or fun if you are sufficiently enlightened)? if its all a joke, however, I dont have time for it. if its b/s I will take the time to debunk it BUT to a limited extend. if its not accepted, just as well. I will move on as I ever have.

.

i missed this. after listening to deagle i got an exquisite hand made swedish hand axe. it takes a beautiful edge and is a pleasure to hold and use. one day i might carve with it, another day i may chop kindling for the fire. another day it might be in my emergency rucsack.. who knows. thanks Bill, its a great axe...

arrrggghhh. sorry, is this a joke? mispost again? who can tell eh?

[kevlor]

horizons, i got the same message, i listened to deagle in a interview some months back, in which he was expressing doubt and concern that humanity didnt have enough time left, or inputus to change. he didnt offer such a definate outcome for our failure to do so, like he does in this interview. i can only conclude that he is still pessimistic towards our (human races) chances. it paints a grim picture.

when you add this to his statement, that comets and astroids, will add a new uncertainty to the picture. plus the totally unknow effect that THREE major cycles of time, are occuring this time around all at once. only chance we have is to prove him wrong.

[samvado]

sam: you are invited to sit left to me and comfort those i have previously hit with my zen stick. As long as I have it I will keep it as it is, no need to improve on a useless asset.

the fool: Dont zen masters use the sticks as appropriate, when required , and arent they well targetted and generally well meaning? Does your stick do this? -

sam: If you have EVER listened to a number of Osho discourses you would not be able to suggest what you just did.

the idiot: well, i can say categorically you are wrong here, as i have heard many osho discourses and i have read many of his books prepared from the same. and i definitely posted wht i did, i remember typing it. so i guess what you mean to say, in samspeak is that i am an idiot who didnt even understand what osho was saying' well i guess we all take different things away when we blindly examine the elephant.

didnt osho tell us there are 3 types of fool? which type are you?

you are a bright man capable of in depth research, i guess i left enough clues as the whereabouts of the tarot post if you can be bothered.

There may be a difference of perception for those who have been in his presence for an extended time. just reading/watching is not the same. I remember my first day in Poona1, osho gave a hindi discourse, I was totally taken yet not understanding a word. If I read a profound book 10 years appart the second read usually leaves the impression of having read a new book, not because the book has changed, I have. so you may not hear/read what I do when osho is speaking.

I will not look at your tarot thread if you dont provide a link. as I said I am not interested any more. its a favor to you if I do.

[annemirri]

If you accept any religion as the authority you are undermining all other religions...t

if we get rid of religions, we get rid of insanity that fundamental religion creates...

Religion was created to keep mankind in check...

being a master ,is being a master of consciousness only..

as I myself have no masters
( dogs have masters, cats (mirri is in finnish "kitty") have servants.)

and as I do not promote or practice any religion, ideology,

my children did not have any religious education, only ethics,

so they have very much found their own ways to see the world, and creation,
my son (14) seems to read Philip Pullman's books like bible ...

and my daughter (16) which I take as a highly spiritual being surprised me by saying
that she does not even believe in GOD, a Creator.

a.

[samvado]

Sam

Although I would like this to be true in every instance, you simply don't get whistleblowers that have independently verified proof to tell their story.

this deagle character is so much out there with his website and what not. if he was in this elevator my first question would have been: where is it.
if he declines to say I would ask WHY? what retailiation would come from telling us that he doesnt have to fear anyway? but its always those little things that would supply PROOF that are suspiciously missing from the picture - like links to photos from the dark star.

I think I have provided enough pointers to seriously doubt Bill deagle, if that reflects badly on Bill Ryan, too bad.
I understand you mechanism for giving credit to sources that are already accepted by other trusted sources. but that should NOT override your own responsible feedback mechanism, aka your mind & intuition. or else you hand out your life to a person or institution ourside yourself. most people do just that, but it should not be common behavior here.

[Gita]

This is just great – came back on this thread hoping to read some stimulating views and reviews on the topic of the thread and I still find this thread is about Sam and his ego stroking! Give us a break and open another thread and call it ‘me me me’! Bill has obviously put a lot of work into this interview trying to bring out some info for the rest of us to digest and discern. I don’t remember anywhere in the interview any mention of a self loving so called soon to be Zen master and his stick and I just don’t care either. Lets get back to the topic of thread for gad sake!:rolleyes:


:focus: :offtopic: :focus:

[perfectresonance]

I think I have provided enough pointers to seriously doubt Bill deagle, if that reflects badly on Bill Ryan, too bad.


If I lie once, does that make everything I say a lie from there on in?
Just because Deagle is... well... Deagle, that doesn't mean everything he says is a lie.





I understand you mechanism for giving credit to sources that are already accepted by other trusted sources. but that should NOT override your own responsible feedback mechanism, aka your mind & intuition. or else you hand out your life to a person or institution ourside yourself. most people do just that, but it should not be common behavior here.

Deagle may very well be a snake oil salesman. Declaring yourself a prophet certainly raises the eyebrows for most people I suspect. But that doesn't mean that 100% of everything he says and does is a lie either.

Bill recounts a situation where Deagle and Neumann corroborated independent data points in a spontaneous and free flowing conversation. Unless Bill is lying about that (and for now I choose to believe the opposite), doesn't that "data point" trigger a question?

"Why?"

Even if Deagle AND Neumann are both full of #### independent of each other, how come they share so many points of information, having never met previously?

That, at least, causes me to sit up and take notice. As it did with Bill, I suspect.

It doesn't prove anything, but it does, for now, put Deagle's information back on the "maybe" pile.

[perfectresonance]

This is just great – came back on this thread hoping to read some stimulating views and reviews on the topic of the thread and I still find this thread is about Sam and his ego stroking! Give us a break and open another thread and call it ‘me me me’! Bill has obviously put a lot of work into this interview trying to bring out some info for the rest of us to digest and discern. I don’t remember anywhere in the interview any mention of a self loving so called soon to be Zen master and his stick and I just don’t care either. Lets get back to the topic of thread for gad sake!:rolleyes:
:focus: :offtopic: :focus:

I'd like to stand up and disagree with your view publicly. Sam has been "on-topic" ever since he was asked to do so.

[Gita]

[/COLOR]

I'd like to stand up and disagree with your view publicly. Sam has been "on-topic" ever since he was asked to do so.

Maybe you need to go back and re-read the previous posts then.:p

[Mulder]

This is my second post on the new Avalon forum. I want to be positive & say that I really enjoyed listening to Dr. Deagle - I've taken over 4 pages of notes from this interview. I found him to be very relevant to Avalon and he had a lot of practical information such as keeping inside during UV high energy - E type rays (something I needed to know). I've found myself disappointed when his past predictions didn't come true, such as a problem for LA on October 2008 never happened - but the future isn't set & maybe this problem was averted by mass consciousness?? I think everything can be "picked apart" and its better to "agree to disagree" rather than waste time arguing (even if you think are "right") - maybe its better to be happy, rather than right??

[perfectresonance]

Gita: "Maybe you need to go back and re-read the previous posts then"

He is responding to other people's posts, just like you and I just now.

[perfectresonance]

This is my first post on the new Avalon forum. I want to be positive & say that I really enjoyed listening to Dr. Deagle - I've taken over 4 pages of notes from this interview. I found him to be very relevant to Avalon and he had a lot of practical information such as keeping inside during UV high energy - E type rays (something I needed to know). I've found myself disappointed when his past predictions didn't come true, such as a problem for LA on October 2008 never happened - but the future isn't set & maybe this event was averted by mass consciousness?? I think everything can be "picked apart" and its better to "agree to disagree" rather than waste time arguing (even if you think are "right" - maybe its better to be happy, rather than right??)

Hi Mulder. Welcome to the party.

I think Deagle and "Major" Ed Dames have about the same success rate!

Ok, that's it for me. I'm not adding any value. See you all in a new thread one day.

[samvado]

If I lie once, does that make everything I say a lie from there on in?
Just because Deagle is... well... Deagle, that doesn't mean everything he says is a lie.


no, of course not. and it would be bad disinfo if everything was a lie.




Deagle may very well be a snake oil salesman. Declaring yourself a prophet certainly raises the eyebrows for most people I suspect. But that doesn't mean that 100% of everything he says and does is a lie either.


I have not found fault in everything - But it should rise an eyebrow that ALL HE SAID was known to me before. I cant recall in each instance where I read it but there was nothing in the interview, except the name of that council he supposedly stood before, that I hadnt known before.



Bill recounts a situation where Deagle and Neumann corroborated independent data points in a spontaneous and free flowing conversation. Unless Bill is lying about that (and for now I choose to believe the opposite), doesn't that "data point" trigger a question? "Why?"
Even if Deagle AND Neumann are both full of #### independent of each other, how come they share so many points of information, having never met previously?


I have already commented on that, you may want to read the start of the thread.
There are a number of possible scenarios, each of them more probable than the fact that deagle is right with what he says.
but ultimately I dont know why this has happened. it counts out the "lone nut" possibility and makes a setup more likely.
the world is full of setups and Ryan himself said: "Camelot is been taken down" but, like Hubbard with Scientology before him, he may not have been able to identify the real culprint.
it may not be the obvious stuff (Not saying Kerry is right, quite the opposite, she was always a liability in my book).



That, at least, causes me to sit up and take notice. As it did with Bill, I suspect.
It doesn't prove anything, but it does, for now, put Deagle's information back on the "maybe" pile.

of course, everything is on the "maybe" pile for me too. nothing is impossible, some things are highly improbable though.

[Gita]

Gita: "Maybe you need to go back and re-read the previous posts then"

He is responding to other people's posts, just like you and I just now.

I'd rather not as already wasted enough time reading them once. I do however appreciate other people's views and liked what you posted but I rather read people's views that is not about themselves nor are they so sharp as to attack others’. I also appreciate reading posts from people that know their own minds and have no ‘problems with their short term memories’ where they are constantly contradicting themselves just to bring attention upon themselves which so far seems to have worked in their favour. I'm quite happy for Sam to post his views as long as he doesn't keep contradicting himself and then go on to make it all about him and how much better he is than everyone else.

I am all for tolerating someone but will not encourage them and maybe others shouldn’t either. Stick to the topic at hand – it’s not that difficult!

[K626]

This has turned into quite the spicy thread and perhaps there is a stage if indeed it is there it is an imaginary one and perhaps the audience (imaginary?) have yet to look up from the programme notes. :cool:

Dang dat Deagle hound boy!! He is like a force rather than words (infact the words are like other words if the meaning of words are important? They aren't really are they?....Are they?). They aren't.

Somewhere the multi-stage Merkabah forms bi-pyramidal command vehicles, but that too isn't important. The entry points of gravity fields (wells??), the chamber of the dead, there is nothing in the center of those cells or even those atoms (so why bother with the stage?). No really why?

The Torah speaks of the unification of the 32 chemical building blocks within man. No it really does. But that too is not important.

Are all universes the same? No dang it!! They are not!! We are falling light projections of unreality, skidding across planes of viscous spectrum light fabric....Not important either apparently.

The light that encodes. Can it be measured? Can it be counted? Can if be verifyied? Of course not you fool!!!

What is important then?

Ah...You seem a little carried away with importance my friend. I can tell you this though - a beam of light will strike the tight skin drum in which the animal still hides and at that moment all will be one.

K

[bashi]

I think it is good to listen to this Deagle interview, because behind the pseudo-scientific mix-up is a real message. To see it more clearly we have to move away from the flawed detail and look at the bigger picture in three steps, to see a remarkable development of Dr. Deagle:


1) If you look at this earlier presentation (4 parts), then you might get appalled by all his doom and gloom attitude:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461#

Basically he is only installing fear.
It resulted in a question from the audience: “Isn`t it better to just commit suicide?” which made me burst into laugh, because this brought it to the climax.
The even more unpleasant thing was that one whole segment of the presentation is solely being used by him to advertise his health-products, which will protect you from most of the evil stuff he has mentioned before.
So, it was a fear driven advertisement campaign, presented out of the intend to profiteer.
It was very cleverly concealed – as he is brilliant – but the low level intend was clear to me.
To install fear first, so that he can rip you off later, well this I consider low level. You can call it egoistic, if not even evil.


2) Then, do you remember when Dr. Deagle called unscheduled Kerry? The call transcript is here:


http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/bill_deagle_4_oct_2008_en.html

He is genuinely scared and shaken to the ground. Absolute panic!
What happened to the smart, profiteering over-flyer?

He has realized – smart as he is – that, no matter the preparation against it of which he can think of, payday is approaching. He saw that he cannot hide in DUMBs or do anything to prevent it.
That realization will strike many with terror, because then you know that you will be thrown back to yourself alone and will have to face the BIG karmic record opened in front of you. That can be such an intense, horrific experience, it will (most likely) change you for the better.

3) Now, look at this current interview: It is driven by the intent to shake and awaken the people, not to sell products.
The doom and gloom is now being used to make people realize that something BIG is coming. He does it in his hyper-mix over-flyer style, which has orally many scientific flaws, but also with some diamonds inside.
But – I think – he is using that now to change people for the better, to open their eyes, so that they can realize its reality; to make them sit back and reflect on themselves. That is a very helpful and has good intent; and that is what counts.



Think about the long journey he had gone:

First: The Pindar offer. Many people would have fallen for power and glory, but he rejected it.
BS, you might say. Well that’s for you, your NON-experience of these things is telling your narrow mind this. I know it`s not BS for me.

Second: Being offered a place in a DUMB, he refused. Honestly, if you would now be in that situation, would you refuse?
Again you will look for excuses to debunk him. Well that’s you: It is much easier to spoil and destroy than to build up.

Third: Now he is telling you jokingly about the “Morlock-beauty contest” that inhabitants of the DUMB will have to face in future. He talks to you because he wants to help, because he realized that a positive personal contribution is required for the benefit of all.


That’s a long individual journey with a good prospect for a successful finish. Kudos!

He is telling you now to better wake up!

Because there is no way to


FAKE IT UNTIL YOU MAKE IT


That’s why I think it`s worth listening to him.




BTW, i also think this mind boggling vid (8 parts) has much, much to do with what is coming:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1343-The-Enochian-Alphabet-Language-of-the-Angels&p=11804#post11804

Its excellent research and practical experience/verification. These things DO exist!


.

[samvado]

That’s a long individual journey with a good prospect for a successful finish. Kudos!.

Bashi, I have watched "The Road" because you suggested this movie would paint a realistic picture of what would happen after a breakdown.
I have to say: in the light of your world view derived from that movie it is understandable you like alarmist messages <grin>.

But why is he throwing out this enormous amount of easily debunkable scientific garbage just to warn everybody?
it just makes no sense to me at all. unless he has an agenda that has to do with camelot (or avalon now).
only then does it make sense because it WILL reflect on Bill Ryan.

[Vidya Moksha]

I think i too will bow out of this thread now, with these comments:

If we are preparing for a brown dwarf, for example (and I hold NO credence to this whatsoever in the way deagle explains it) then those preparations will be equally vaild for any other type of disater that might occur.

Also I believe we have guides in various forms, but I am referring mostly to spiritual guides. I dont want to personlaise this more than i have already, but I was looking for a place out of europe.. not because i fear for what might happen, but because i want to live in nature again, lose the computer and start building and farming. However, i actually rushed my departure from the UK after giving credence to clif high and his october 25th end of the dollar post. Nothing happened...OR DID IT..? because of my haste to leave I ended up being in the right place at the right time and walked into an unadvertised job.. which gave me this computer and a car (mixed blessings so far) and the chance of a residents visa if thats meant to be my path..

do you see the point i keep trying to make yet? its not the information thats important but what we do with it, how you think, how you place yourself in places maybe because of it. My axe comment earlier was aimed at many levels, perhaps too clever for my own good, but a genuine point in case.. it is he only thing i think im missing from my kit bag, im ready to take to the hills or the forest if i have to, im not into hoarding food, but finding it fresh, keeping mobile..

maybe it will not happen, maybe it will be an earthquale, tsunami, GLF (lol).. who knows... my own gut feeling is non of these. I dont BUY the earth changes... (yeah, i KNOW, i KNOW im not blind to current events, or as stupid as sam thinks i am)... but i do not put it past organisations/ groups to self fullfill their own prophecies...(zionists anyone?)

and of course part of me still wants to go saddhu..

Thanks to Both BIlls for allowing us the space to be here discussing and exchanging.

Final note, i have several reports to write, i have been involved in some new research projects (i can play scientist well enough to be paid for my knowledge and abilities).. creating the reports is hard work. I have also been peer reviewing other reports, criticising is so easy in comparison. now in case sam takes this last point personally, he shouldnt, he has been criticising but creating valid counter arguments which make people think.. its not good to be spoon fed, much better to get there by your self.

enough here.. see you elsewhere...

[samvado]

i can play scientist well enough to be paid for my knowledge and abilities.

dammit, I have been trying this forever, how do you do it? (pm me if you like)

[greybeard]

I think discrimination and discernment is needed in all things.
My rule of thumb is that anything which promotes fear is not for me as fear is not of God.
I think it is good to be aware of possibilities and therefore take appropriate action, there is no harm in having some extra food in the house it wont go to waste, no harm in having some money put by in case cash machines dont work. there is a lot of things we cant do anything about so do what you can and leave the rest to destiny.
Chris

[Vidya Moksha]

dammit, I have been trying this forever, how do you do it? (pm me if you like)

cinnamon and honey twice per day as per the exchanger's thread on the subject. occasional mms infusion and my zapper.. mix together in equal measure, mix with disinfo from internet forum sites, .. et voila.

[samvado]

cinnamon and honey twice per day as per the exchanger's thread on the subject. occasional mms infusion and my zapper.. mix together in equal measure, mix with disinfo from internet forum sites, .. et voila.

You're LYING!!!

but I'll take a link to the xchanger thread, just in case ....


Do not work to acquire; work to become

Do not work at all, just be and know

[frank samuel]

Well I'm just speculating , just for fun, without offending anyone. If you ask Dr. Deagle how he's preparing for these future catastrophes events he'll will probably say, " Oh I do not need to I am going to be on board an alien ship" :rapture: .If you are asking people to prepare themselves for future catastrophic events is because he's already prepare, I'm just curious. Either way anybody can predict the so call future, how many dooms day futurist we have had in this forum alone . The best preparation in my opinion is LIVE YOUR LIFE TO THE FULLEST, LIVE IN THE NOW. If you decide to pay attention and built a bunker and live underground for 20 or 30 years is up to you, I myself think that to be a bit too extreme. LIVE WITHOUT FEAR. otherwise we are playing right into the games that politicians play. There are crisis everywhere and there are all kinds of catastrophic events that happen every single day, HELLO !!! Well I'm preparing for the the big one, a tsunami so big that will engulf the entire island of PR, I'm building a submarine and making a few calls to some alien ships to rescue me. No !!! Just kidding , anyway I think you get the picture... Since you cannot accurately predict every single catastrophic events that's going to happen is best to use your common sense and get out and have some FUN . So if you excuse me that's exactly what I'm going to do, is a beautiful sunny day in PR , time to go to the beach with my children, want to join me. Lets GO !!!!:wave::dance3::fish2:

Have a great day everyone !!!

PS Here's a link to the latest articles on the 100 places that will disappear in the near future, so get your luggage ready and go enjoy them NOW.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/236064?GT1=43002

In case you guys forgot about Haiti here's a recent Linkin Park song on you tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwTWyWvYEig&feature=related

[Steven]

Hello Frank and thanks for your post. I have the same perspective. Live in the space-time of your soul, it is the best preparation...

Namaste, Steven

[Freedom]

I, for one, appreciate anything that Bill and Kerry care to bring to the table....I respect them enough to at least listen...it is up to me what I might get out of it....I tend to live (by choice) in the airy-fairy world...of wonderful happiness and abundance and joy....I truly believe that I am a powerful co-creator of the world I live in....and the world in which I co-create.

Thank You Bill for all that you do.

Namaste......Freedom

[bashi]

Bashi, I have watched "The Road" because you suggested this movie would paint a realistic picture of what would happen after a breakdown.
I have to say: in the light of your world view derived from that movie it is understandable you like alarmist messages <grin>.


I said: "The main problem in case of prolonged cut of electricity will be other people. Guys which are unprepared and will struggle to survive by ALL means.
I don`t want to create bad vibes, but i think the film "The road" puts it down very drastically, maybe too extreme, but the problem remains."
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1089-How-to-prepare-for-a-CME-in-the-European-theatre&p=9928&viewfull=1#post9928

You are suggesting that i am suggesting....
Look at you, twisting negatively your argumentation; So far for your "scientific" correctness :lol:


.

[samvado]

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I said: [COLOR="Lime"]"The main problem in case of prolonged cut of electricity will be other people. Guys which are unprepared and will struggle to survive by ALL means.
I don`t want to create bad vibes, but i think the film "The road" puts it down very drastically, maybe too extreme, but the problem remains."
.

yeah, thats what you said - so? in what way is my citation wrong then? that film is super alarmist. anybody remotely considering this scenario must be feardriven I would asume.
whats wrong with that assumption? and why do you take it personally? its just an observation on my part.

but we are getting way off topic here so maybe you would like to discuss you position towards emergency scenaria in a different thread or via pm?

btw: this was just an aside, the important part was the second which you choose to ignore. i would much more like to know your take on that.

[Ailée]

Hi there Samvado & perfectresonance,

I'm not much into debating about interviewees, I just happen to be watching the first of a 4 parts testimony done by Bill Deagle at the Grenada Forum and I would suggest, if you haven't done so yet, that you listen carefully to it :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7485407309834840400#docid=-2221852945040630461

It does require a wide attention span and acute mind as he speaks pretty fast (lot to say) and is highly focused.

But it may prove rewarding, not only relating to the information - which, to anyone, is good to revisit sometimes and is particularly well spelled out here - but to the man himself, if one is open to change their perspective that is.

About assessing the truth of his statements... that's the "mission" we each contribute to, to the best of our abilities, one of which is suspension of judgments in applying critical sensing.

Best regards

:yo:

[samvado]

[FONT="Trebuchet MS"] I would suggest, if you haven't done so yet, that you listen carefully to it :


31 mistakes in 82 minutes tell me its not worth it.
I know you spend your days with philosophy, I dont. I try to understand the world, and by that I can dismiss Deagle based on facts.

[Ailée]

You mean in his Grenada forum talk ?

Ok, guess it wouldn't save him if the answer was no.

I really like your stance, Sam, I find it highly refreshing and sobering. What it leaves me with, though, is the very aporetic nature of "knowing" - under a certain perspective. And if you will forgive my French.

The more detailed the consciousness-perspective, the more focused on/through specific parameters, the more solid one becomes and thus restricted in what can filter through.

You'll say that's good, the purpose is precisely to filter through the crap. But then we get a snake biting its own tail. For the crap is defined even before it is allowed to be.

I don't know...

[samvado]

You mean in his Grenada forum talk ?

Ok, guess it wouldn't save him if the answer was no.

I really like your stance, Sam, I find it highly refreshing and sobering. What it leaves me with, though, is the very aporetic nature of "knowing" - under a certain perspective. And if you will forgive my French.

The more detailed the consciousness-perspective, the more focused on/through specific parameters, the more solid one becomes and thus restricted in what can filter through.

You'll say that's good, the purpose is precisely to filter through the crap. But then we get a snake biting its own tail. For the crap is defined even before it is allowed to be.

I don't know...

thats what I mean with philosophy. you dont get anywhere in the end.

There is a time for silence, one for open hearted listening and one for mercylessly cutting the crap.
deagle throws a stakatto of "facts" at the listener, in his own used-car-salesman way of breathless talking, talking, talking.
IMO best choice would be to ignore it. second best to cut the crap. only if you are invested in being true what he says would you decide otherwise.

[Ailée]

Pardon me if I would make you repeat yourself, but do you mean that nothing the man has to sell "in his own used-car-salesman way of breathless talking" is worthy information to you ?

If your heart listens along, does it allow for a human to be human and impersonate flaws that do not necessarily bear on the content of the "information" ?

Someone doesn't need to be flawless in every respect to earn some credit for what they have come across through their own life experiences and work.

So what if he kills a bird with two stones ? Does it mean both stones are worthless ?
What if not all of his "scientific" claims are, in your understanding, correct ? Does it cancel all validity to what he has to bring ?

At the end of the day, aren't all our assumptions based on our intuitions ?

And is it not true that intuition and rigid viewpoints tend to create a "standing wave" of attention, freezing one, as it were, into a fixed viewpoint ?

Are your requirements of scientific accuracy (not going into the epistemological issue of the same cul-de-sac here as in Philosphy) not informing your intuition, i.e. cloaking it ?

What is your discernment made of and, what does it leave out ?

To me, compassion - out of place as it may first seem - is an important aspect of discernment...

PS : When I say "But then we get a snake biting its own tail. For the crap is defined even before it is allowed to be." I do not mean on an intellectual level, but on an awareness level : the crap is labeled 'crap' because in consciousness it meets a set of definitions that promptly form the information into a 'crap' item. In awareness it is information, but with the filters of your beliefs it takes on a color, a texture, a form that you define as 'crap'. So I'm questioning those filters, and offering - for own contemplation - the adjunction of compassion into these filters.

Cheers, and thank you, Samvado, for the good laughs I get from reading your wits

[samvado]

Pardon me if I would make you repeat yourself, but do you mean that nothing the man has to sell "in his own used-car-salesman way of breathless talking" is worthy information to you ?

If your heart listens along, does it allow for a human to be human and impersonate flaws that do not necessarily bear on the content of the "information" ?

Someone doesn't need to be flawless in every respect to earn some credit for what they have come across through their own life experiences and work.

So what if he kills a bird with two stones ? Does it mean both stones are worthless ?
What if not all of his "scientific" claims are, in your understanding, correct ? Does it cancel all validity to what he has to bring ?

At the end of the day, aren't all our assumptions based on our intuitions ?

And is it not true that intuition and rigid viewpoints tend to create a "standing wave" of attention, freezing one, as it were, into a fixed viewpoint ?

Are your requirements of scientific accuracy (not going into the epistemological issue of the same cul-de-sac here as in Philosphy) not informing your intuition, i.e. cloaking it ?

What is your discernment made of and, what does it leave out ?

To me, compassion - out of place as it may first seem - is an important aspect of discernment...

you are reading too much into it.
The deagle deal was easy because he used a lot of datapoints that could be verified (or the absence could be verified). Not too much intuition was needed.
I invite you to read the list and listen to the piece while you do it and you will see it too I guess.

I admit that I didnt like the way he talks and if all he had said would have been written instead I probably had a bit more distance, but it would not change a thing regarding his mistakes and/or highly questionable utterings. The vast majority of my critique is based on verifyable scientific facts. And I am not talking quantum mechanics. real easy stuff.

I dont suffer fools gladly so compassion didnt enter the equation at a rate of 32 errors in 82 minutes :-)

[NancyV]

I very much enjoyed Bill and Bill talking together, although I REALLY enjoyed hearing OUR Bill R. But Bill D. is nothing if not entertaining, enthusiastic, passionate and cute. I don't CARE if he's right or wrong in part or in whole. It's simply not important to me. I would not choose to believe any fear based conclusions of his and even if some of his dire predictions do come to pass, so what. I will enjoy whatever happens but I will not expect anything just because someone predicts it. So I am free to enjoy Bill D. purely for his good qualities. Whether or not he is deluded or mistaken, he is very entertaining and has a lot of interesting info and insights.

Nancy :)

[Ailée]

you are reading too much into it.

So it seems.


I dont suffer fools gladly so compassion didnt enter the equation at a rate of 32 errors in 82 minutes :-)

Can't help but laugh.

Well, ok then, thank you for your viewpoint.

:yo:

[Ventana]

Well, well, well...I've had a long, rather tiring day at work and I got a call from my 20 yr- old son, sobbing, he got fired from his little part-time job because he was 15 minutes late for work ( he has been there over a year) and now he's worried about paying his rent (what's a mother for?) so I don't even have the mental strength today to get involved in this Bill Deagle/Sam Vado debacle but I'll check out the interview and check in later. I'm off-topic but will everyone who reads this put out some positive energy for my son, if just to make him feel better? Thanks all. Carry on. XXXOOO

[Bill Ryan]

The Stratospheric Observatory For Infrared Astronomy is soon going to be in the air - in a modified Jumbo Jet.

The acronym (nice one) is SOFIA: hot on the heels of the WISE satellite.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8636012.stm

Let's see if it heads for the southern hemisphere once it's in the air.

http://projectavalon.net/sofia.jpg

[samvado]

The acronym (nice one) is SOFIA: hot on the heels of the WISE satellite.

Indeed, the wise woman ... are we going to have acces to the results or is it classified?
I see german flag on the carrier - so it must be in some way publicly available (not necessarily truthful though).

[Eric J (Viking)]

The Stratospheric Observatory For Infrared Astronomy is soon going to be in the air - in a modified Jumbo Jet.

The acronym (nice one) is SOFIA: hot on the heels of the WISE satellite.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8636012.stm

Let's see if it heads for the southern hemisphere once it's in the air.

http://projectavalon.net/sofia.jpg

Good point Bill.

Mmmmm should be interesting...I bet she heads south!!! Or pointing towards that way at least!!!

viking

[K626]

Indeed, the wise woman ... are we going to have acces to the results or is it classified?
I see german flag on the carrier - so it must be in some way publicly available (not necessarily truthful though).

The German and American flag will one day merge.

K

[samvado]

The German and American flag will one day merge.

K

over my dead body

[Eric J (Viking)]

over my dead body

What will be will be...

One way or another...!

Sooner or later we will all unite.

viking

[K626]

over my dead body

Be in the world but not of it.

Klama

[K626]

What will be will be...

One way or another...!

Sooner or later we will all unite.

viking

Didn't realise we'd been seperated Viking my sweet. :confused::tongue1:

[samvado]

Be in the world but not of it.

Klama

which one?

we had a splendid cosmology night discussing mostly Heim (and a trace of electric universe) - you would have enjoyed it.
minus the german parts of course...

later! <topic alarm !!!>

[Eric J (Viking)]

Didn't realise we'd been seperated Viking my sweet. :confused::tongue1:

I suppose we haven't 626 ... :wave:

Perhaps someone else thinks otherwise!! ;)

viking

[bashi]

This is the contact for the german part of the project:


http://www.dlr.de/rd/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-4281/6898_read-10005/

Maybe they will release a flight plan...


.

[samvado]

There is is a flight blog (http://www.dlr.de/blogs/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5921/blogmonth-4/blogyear-2010/)

[perfectresonance]

The German and American flag will one day merge.

K

I'm sorry to inform you - they effectively have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
http://www.amazon.com/Nazi-International-Postwar-Control-Conflict/dp/1931882932

[bashi]

There is is a flight blog (http://www.dlr.de/blogs/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5921/blogmonth-4/blogyear-2010/)

Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust...

[Merkhava]

Bill Ryan asked me to contribute to the discussion here.

On 4/13/2010 I contacted Bill Ryan because I had received information concerning a large celestial body entering our solar system. I was also informed about the deployment of the WISE (Wide-infrared Survey Explorer) satellite in polar orbit, of which until that day I was unaware of this satellite mission. When I talked with Bill Ryan on the 13th, he too was unaware of the WISE satellite.

I had contacted Bill in the hopes that his human network might have some information I was trying to learn.

(FYI... I have not yet listened to the Deagle interview. I also do not know or have any connection with Bill Deagle. I have talked with him only one time by phone a few years ago.)

Until April 13th, I did not know much of anything about the subject of large celestial companions to our sun. During the last week, the subject matter has been a high priority for me and it has lead to a recent flurry of e-mail exchanges with Bill Ryan sharing information on this matter.

I do not want to publicly engage in wild speculations or fear-mongering. There a several verifiable facts that are worthy to note....

1) There has been a substantial increase in the number and severity of earthquakes on planet earth, as well as a number of notably unusual weather events. (The politically correct view is that the cause is human created global warming. I don't buy that.)

2) The WISE satellite mission was launched from Vandenberg AFB on 14 Dec 2010. It is the most advanced infrared satellite launched to date and is several hundred times more powerful than the IRAS mission of 1983. As of April 10, 2010, WISE has completed 50% of it's mission to map the sky and catalog Near Earth Orbit (NEO) objects.

3) The ground based telescope at the South Pole in Antarctica has recently finished all pre-commissioning hardware checks and is now operationally deployed.

4) The NASA airborne SOFIA infrared telescope is also available as a very flexible asset for tracking targets in our solar system.

What do I conclude from all this? Is our solar system a binary star arrangement with a brown dwarf companion? I really don't know for sure, and I'm trying hard to find some solid confirnmation. But something is going on and a lot of money and resources are being deployed to watch something in space in the infrared spectrum.

For those interested....

Here is a link to the tracking Priority List for Near Earth Orbit objects in the Spaceguard System with the NEOs graded from Urgent to Low Priority.

http://spaceguard.iasf-roma.inaf.it/SSystem/SSystem.html


And here is a catalog of NEOs being tracked in the NEODys.

http://newton.dm.unipi.it/neodys/index.php?pc=1.0

Best Regards,
Merkhava

[K626]

The Vatican have also recently started taking mucho interest in following celestian bodies. :p (Pun forgiven?). :cool:

[SteveX]

here's links to interesting 5 min videos.

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers

http://fora.tv/2009/02/04/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson_Pluto_Files#Neil_deGrasse_Tyson_World_Will_Not_End_in_2012

[Eric J (Viking)]

Bill Ryan asked me to contribute to the discussion here.

On 4/13/2010 I contacted Bill Ryan because I had received information concerning a large celestial body entering our solar system. I was also informed about the deployment of the WISE (Wide-infrared Survey Explorer) satellite in polar orbit, of which until that day I was unaware of this satellite mission. When I talked with Bill Ryan on the 13th, he too was unaware of the WISE satellite.

I had contacted Bill in the hopes that his human network might have some information I was trying to learn.

(FYI... I have not yet listened to the Deagle interview. I also do not know or have any connection with Bill Deagle. I have talked with him only one time by phone a few years ago.)

Until April 13th, I did not know much of anything about the subject of large celestial companions to our sun. During the last week, the subject matter has been a high priority for me and it has lead to a recent flurry of e-mail exchanges with Bill Ryan sharing information on this matter.

I do not want to publicly engage in wild speculations or fear-mongering. There a several verifiable facts that are worthy to note....

1) There has been a substantial increase in the number and severity of earthquakes on planet earth, as well as a number of notably unusual weather events. (The politically correct view is that the cause is human created global warming. I don't buy that.)

2) The WISE satellite mission was launched from Vandenberg AFB on 14 Dec 2010. It is the most advanced infrared satellite launched to date and is several hundred times more powerful than the IRAS mission of 1983. As of April 10, 2010, WISE has completed 50% of it's mission to map the sky and catalog Near Earth Orbit (NEO) objects.

3) The ground based infrared telescope at the South Pole in Antarctica has recently finished all pre-commissioning hardware checks and is now operationally deployed.

4) The NASA airborne SOFIA infrared telescope is also available as a very flexible asset for tracking targets in our solar system.

What do I conclude from all this? Is our solar system a binary star arrangement with a brown dwarf companion? I really don't know for sure, and I'm trying hard to find some solid confirnmation. But something is going on and a lot of money and resources are being deployed to watch something in space in the infrared spectrum.

For those interested....

Here is a link to the tracking Priority List for Near Earth Orbit objects in the Spaceguard System with the NEOs graded from Urgent to Low Priority.

http://spaceguard.iasf-roma.inaf.it/SSystem/SSystem.html


And here is a catalog of NEOs being tracked in the NEODys.

http://newton.dm.unipi.it/neodys/index.php?pc=1.0

Best Regards,
Merkhava

Yes I agree something is up ... Keep us posted Merkhava...

Check this out...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?366-quot-Objects-around-the-Sun...artificial-or-natural!-Must-read-quot&p=12714#post12714

viking

[Baelsfire]

From what i understand about the formation of stars in binary solar systems, a brown dwarf is essentially a "hot Jupiter". Jupiter did not become a brown dwarf.

I have not listened to this interview yet, but it puzzled me no small amount when i read a brown dwarf is to "appear" near Jupiter..

My intial thoughts are, maybe there is some confusion to the fact that Jupiter itself could be kicked into become a brown dwarf. 2010 Space Odyssey anyone?

However i have not listened to the interview yet, which i will do now...

EDIT: Should add I consider 2010 more than just a "sci-fi story"!

[samvado]

Hi Merkhava,

what is you position, or your job if you will. in what way are you concerned with/qualified to comment on anything physical/astronomical/cosmological?



On 4/13/2010 I contacted Bill Ryan because I had received information concerning a large celestial body entering our solar system.


From what source?



I was also informed about the deployment of the WISE (Wide-infrared Survey Explorer) satellite in polar orbit, of which until that day I was unaware of this satellite mission. When I talked with Bill Ryan on the 13th, he too was unaware of the WISE satellite.


Has been on wiki for a while, I remember I read in some time in january, maybe feb. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WISE_mission)



(FYI... I have not yet listened to the Deagle interview. I also do not know or have any connection with Bill Deagle. I have talked with him only one time by phone a few years ago.)


hmm, yet you comment to a thread dedicated to this interview.
maybe a new thread would be WISE, maybe in the science section



Until April 13th, I did not know much of anything about the subject of large celestial companions to our sun. During the last week, the subject matter has been a high priority for me and it has lead to a recent flurry of e-mail exchanges with Bill Ryan sharing information on this matter.



what in concrete terms does that mean. what have you found out. from what sources.



I do not want to publicly engage in wild speculations or fear-mongering.


then Don't!



There a several verifiable facts that are worthy to note....


worthy to note with what perceptional filter in place? what do you want to prove?



1) There has been a substantial increase in the number and severity of earthquakes on planet earth,


that may be a perceptional error. look here please (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/year/eqstats.php)
and if it where true, which I believe it isnt, I would look at the ONE major influence in terms of gravity here on earth, the sun.
any dark start behind jupiter has nowhere near the effect the sun has.



as well as a number of notably unusual weather events. (The politically correct view is that the cause is human created global warming. I don't buy that.)


I dont know what politically correct means in this context, but I know that this perception may be in error too, if you take a larger look, e.g. check for weather in the last 1000 years except the last 100. We had a little iceage in that time, if we had that now half of germany would still be frozen over (in April). we had times when greenland had grapes and england had palm trees.
all in the last 1000 years.



2) The WISE satellite mission was launched from Vandenberg AFB on 14 Dec 2010. It is the most advanced infrared satellite launched to date and is several hundred times more powerful than the IRAS mission of 1983. As of April 10, 2010, WISE has completed 50% of it's mission to map the sky and catalog Near Earth Orbit (NEO) objects.


There are more than 800 active satellites currently in orbit. They represent four percent of the total number of objects currently cataloged by the U.S. space surveillance network; the rest includes abandoned satellites, spent rocket boosters, and other debris.
Source: http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_weapons_and_global_security/space_weapons/technical_issues/satellites-types-orbits.html

If the last IR spectrum sat was launched in 83 its about time it got replaced. no need to put interpretations into this mission that go beyond scientific research.



3) The ground based telescope at the South Pole in Antarctica has recently finished all pre-commissioning hardware checks and is now operationally deployed.


that is a mission of an entirely different scope.
South Pole Telescope:
A new 10 meter diameter telescope is being constructed for deployment at the NSF South Pole research station. The telescope is designed for conducting large-area millimeter and sub-millimeter wave surveys of faint, low contrast emission, as required to map primary and secondary anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background.

they look for the big bang since forver, I doubt they will find it - but its totally believable that this telescope was build to serve that purpose. as was the LHC to find the Higgs which they never will find because it doesnt exist. still billions have been spent.



4) The NASA airborne SOFIA infrared telescope is also available as a very flexible asset for tracking targets in our solar system.


that thing has been operational for a while now. afaik only on the northern side of the globe (see links above, the german protocols) - if it was built to look for a dark star in the southern hemisphere what are they waiting for?



What do I conclude from all this? Is our solar system a binary star arrangement with a brown dwarf companion? I really don't know for sure, and I'm trying hard to find some solid confirnmation.


keep looking, because what you have found so far has very simple explanations that are far more probable than anything deagle has ever said.



But something is going on and a lot of money and resources are being deployed to watch something in space in the infrared spectrum.


as have been to find all sort of other things - in the cosmos, like extra-solar planets, comets, the oort cloud, the MBR, and a truckload of other things. its called SCIENCE.

[bashi]

Hi Sam,
i have taken the time to write to you after seeing your last dissecting post here. This I do not to downturn you negate your abilities, but to help you come out of your negative mode, in which you are running your replies.


"Language, the instrument of the spirit, has a life of its own -
even though it is only a reflection of the universal Idea."
Fulcanelli

Can you reflect on that?

If not, then maybe you should read and digest this:


http://www.angelfire.com/vt/rcwn/Pagefortyone.html

But honestly, I doubt that you can do that.
I noticed that you hardly do your homework, as can be seen very clearly on this thread. Instead of contributing positively, like going with the flow and allowing others the room for expression, you are busy creating negativity and containment.
Many perceive your posts as this. Why, only because it is our fault not to be able to read your “truths”?

Why do I doubt that you can digest the above mentioned info? Because your perception of the world is completely static. You are convinced you know it all and better and more than others.
Do you know what a frog in a deep hole thought when it swam across the water: “Now I have seen the entire world!”

But back to this thread:
You are measuring posts with a ruler which your own posts will fail to match if applied to them.

You are just downsizing other post instead of being respectful and question what can be questioned. You are just displaying bad manners on threads.

Look what is happening right here:
No positive contribution here, just “debunking”.
You have been advised on that one.
You choose to ignore it.
There was a post here where you could have contributed positively just by the fact that you can read german.
You choose to ignore it.
There was a second post regarding a flight-path.
You tried to respond on that, but did you take your time to really read the article you have linked?


http://www.dlr.de/blogs/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5921/blogmonth-4/blogyear-2010/

Obviously not, otherwise you would have noticed that this is a complete different issue and a different plane in a different country. People without german language knowledge might get disinformed by looking on the picture.
Or did you knew that and posted just disinfo? I think not, just your typical way of not maintaining due diligence.
So I chose to reply “Ashes to Ashes..” but you still didn’t got it.
You choose to ignore it.

So, if you continue that way, many people will choose to ignore you. You should really ask yourself whether you are on the right forum. The internet is full of foren where your attitude might get applauded.

I am not attacking you, just stating the facts which are readable for all, but noticeable only for few.
I have written this for you, not for me. You can dissect it and find your straws to clamp on, like you did with many other posts regarding you; ignore it or try to learn something.
I don’t mind, because I see the mind-cage you are in, and I pity you.


.

[samvado]

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Hi Sam,
i have taken the time to write to you after seeing your last dissecting post here.
.

Bashi, in not so many words you ask me to be NICER? others have tried. if you want to discuss this publicly, and on this thread, how I should "behave" - I really dont think it would be on topic, and I dont think you are WISE enough to get the point thru - so if you want to continue this exercise start a new thread or pm me if you must.
the claqueures and backend-crawlers are certainly already on your side, so consider yourself sufficiently applauded and subsequently ego inflated.
fortunately my mind set allows me to operate entirely independent of what you (or others) might feel or think in regards to me.

[Richard]

:offtopic:

... if you want to discuss this publicly, and on this thread, how I should "behave" - I really dont think it would be on topic, and I dont think you are WISE enough to get the point thru - so if you want to continue this exercise start a new thread or pm me if you must...

A sound suggestion, please keep the personal issues in private.

Thanks

[bashi]

the claqueures and backend-crawlers are certainly already on your side, so consider yourself sufficiently applauded and subsequently ego inflated.


YES, thats why i posted and what i wanted in return. Thank you :wave:

[blue777]

Bashi, in not so many words you ask me to be NICER? others have tried. if you want to discuss this publicly, and on this thread, how I should "behave" - I really dont think it would be on topic, and I dont think you are WISE enough to get the point thru - so if you want to continue this exercise start a new thread or pm me if you must.
the claqueures and backend-crawlers are certainly already on your side, so consider yourself sufficiently applauded and subsequently ego inflated.
fortunately my mind set allows me to operate entirely independent of what you (or others) might feel or think in regards to me.

Hello Sam , you sound like the archetypal EGO-maniac , whom suffers from pride and vanity....may I say these are not postive traits...more Aryan than anything else,jackbooting it around this forum...ever heard of humility
lol

[Eric J (Viking)]

I wouldn't bother guys...just ignore him... He's a NOB .... sorry mods!!

Just leave him be...he has no manners treat him accordingly...

viking

[Merkhava]

Thanks for the links Sam.

I like your skeptical questioning attitude. I hope your thesis proves true that there is absolutely nothing to this brown dwarf story.

Best Regards,
Merkhava

[samvado]

Thanks for the links Sam.

I like your skeptical questioning attitude. I hope your thesis proves true that there is absolutely nothing to this brown dwarf story.

Best Regards,
Merkhava

I am quite sure there is nothing to it, but if you are so inclined you can worry about a lot of other things, look here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1480-Whats-going-to-kill-us-%28or-not%29&p=12943#post12943)

[blue777]

Thanks for the links Sam.

I like your skeptical questioning attitude. I hope your thesis proves true that there is absolutely nothing to this brown dwarf story.

Best Regards,
Merkhava

Thats the trouble skepticism is negative , therefore all you get is apathy and no-one prepares for anything...there is more to this than reason alone

[samvado]

I am always amazed to hear all these quite regular technologies cited to find out about something our secret space fleet (McKinnon) could find out in the blink of an eye.
If you have enough strange scenarios you better watch how they overlap.

e.g. in the interview with the superwave-guy kerry asks him if they knew about that wave due to that fleet - but then it got forgotten or Deagle is supposed to have contact with highest councils which are not let in to the secret spacefleet ? or what?

[blue777]

I am always amazed to hear all these quite regular technologies cited to find out about something our secret space fleet (McKinnon) could find out in the blink of an eye.
If you have enough strange scenarios you better watch how they overlap.

e.g. in the interview with the superwave-guy kerry asks him if they knew about that wave due to that fleet - but then it got forgotten or Deagle is supposed to have contact with highest councils which are not let in to the secret spacefleet ? or what?

So what you are saying is ...no-one knows the truth of what will happen , and a lot of it is made up BS...therefore the brown dwarf star will not come near the Earth...we are not going into a new Age , and everything is fine...and all the people on this and other similar forums are DELUDED..
if that is the case..why are you on this forum?

[jcocks]

I am always amazed to hear all these quite regular technologies cited to find out about something our secret space fleet (McKinnon) could find out in the blink of an eye.
If you have enough strange scenarios you better watch how they overlap.

e.g. in the interview with the superwave-guy kerry asks him if they knew about that wave due to that fleet - but then it got forgotten or Deagle is supposed to have contact with highest councils which are not let in to the secret spacefleet ? or what?

Sam, if the secret space-fleet would find out about this, what makes you think they would tell *US*????

Furthermore, why do you think there have been (and continue to be) so many underground bases built for "continuity of government" purposes? Or are you going to tell us that they don't exist?

There has been so much "insider testimony" from so many different sources (who all seem to say the same, or very similar, things) that seems to at least confirm that the bases exist, that I doubt very much at this point that they are all lying.

So, If they do exist, surely they are preparing for *SOMETHING*???

[SteveX]

:ranger:


So what you are saying is ...no-one knows the truth of what will happen , and a lot of it is made up BS...therefore the brown dwarf star will not come near the Earth...we are not going into a new Age , and everything is fine...and all the people on this and other similar forums are DELUDED..
if that is the case..why are you on this forum?

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-think004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)


:popcorn:

[blue777]

Sam, if the secret space-fleet would find out about this, what makes you think they would tell *US*????

Furthermore, why do you think there have been (and continue to be) so many underground bases built for "continuity of government" purposes? Or are you going to tell us that they don't exist?

There has been so much "insider testimony" from so many different sources (who all seem to say the same, or very similar, things) that seems to at least confirm that the bases exist, that I doubt very much at this point that they are all lying.

So, If they do exist, surely they are preparing for *SOMETHING*???

quote:so many underground bases built for "continuity of government" purposes? Or are you going to tell us that they don't exist?
or are they building them to have a BIG PARTY IN 2012

[SteveX]

quote:so many underground bases built for "continuity of government" purposes? Or are you going to tell us that they don't exist?
or are they building them to have a BIG PARTY IN 2012

I for one have a big problem with this. In the words of a UK TV show... Location, Location, Location.

They say these places are being build but.....where ?

Do they have their own concrete making factory? There own concrete transporting infrastructure? You can just magic up millions of tons of concrete in secret.

[HORIZONS]

I for one have a big problem with this. In the words of a UK TV show... Location, Location, Location.

They say these places are being build but.....where ?

Do they have their own concrete making factory? There own concrete transporting infrastructure? You can just magic up millions of tons of concrete in secret.

Sub contractors making millions tell no tails, and they get a ticket to be silent.

[samvado]

Sam, if the secret space-fleet would find out about this, what makes you think they would tell *US*????

the entire deagle thing rotates around the assumption that even the "regular" guys who operate WISE and the southern telescope are not telling, so how many layers of secrecy do you like to asume and where does it stop? if you watch "a beautiful mind" you know what I mean.
If the secret spacefleet exists Deagle should know about it, yet it never figures in his convoluted speeches.

[K626]

I for one have a big problem with this. In the words of a UK TV show... Location, Location, Location.

They say these places are being build but.....where ?

Do they have their own concrete making factory? There own concrete transporting infrastructure? You can just magic up millions of tons of concrete in secret.

They tend to build them when other things are being built to mask the work. You know that. BD looks like he could build one single handed....Yes? ha ha

[SteveX]

Sub contractors making millions tell no tails, and they get a ticket to be silent.

No offence man but it ain’t quite as simple as that or if it is then there’s just way too much potential for a leak.

I’ve worked as a driver related to the construction industry. There is that much stuff involved with building a few houses let alone a massive underground facility. As commodities get used up the price goes up. If unusual amounts of concrete, sand, copper and so on get used the market reflects that. There would be many questions asked in the industry about what the contract is and the inflated price of commodities is having on other company’s construction. Someone would blab the deal.

Electrical cable x miles, fittings, lights, switches, bulbs and tubes, insulation conduits. Plumbing plastic tubes x miles, sinks, taps, copper pipe, toilets, cisterns, pee traps.

Furniture…the whole office shebang and all the home comforts like beds, TV’s couches.

[samvado]

They tend to build them when other things are being built to mask the work. You know that. BD looks like he could build one single handed....Yes? ha ha

as soon as aliens come into the picture there is no telling if they need concret or even human resources at all.
but it is still a huge thing, and somebody not in the loop should see something.
but even if not, deagle was there, surely HE knows.
and this norwegian guy, give me coordinates and I go look myself.

I am not talking cheyenne mountain or such small bases, I talk the big one that are hard to believe.
the personel working there must get there, and out, and supplies and fuel, and nobody talks who was inside?
not one soul? millions have the ticket yet nobody spill the beans?

consider how hard it must be for a victim of CIA mind-control to speak out, the MKULTRA victims, those are much fewer and had much higher hurdles to overcome, yet we have a few, not just one. and they went to court.

[samvado]

Electrical cable x miles, fittings, lights, switches, bulbs and tubes, insulation conduits. Plumbing plastic tubes x miles, sinks, taps, copper pipe, toilets, cisterns, pee traps.

Furniture…the whole office shebang and all the home comforts like beds, TV’s couches.

thats of course coming from china, cheap and made by children who cant talk <just joking>

[K626]

No offence man but it ain’t quite as simple as that or if it is then there’s just way too much potential for a leak.

I’ve worked as a driver related to the construction industry. There is that much stuff involved with building a few houses let alone a massive underground facility. As commodities get used up the price goes up. If unusual amounts of concrete, sand, copper and so on get used the market reflects that. There would be many questions asked in the industry about what the contract is and the inflated price of commodities is having on other company’s construction. Someone would blab the deal.

Electrical cable x miles, fittings, lights, switches, bulbs and tubes, insulation conduits. Plumbing plastic tubes x miles, sinks, taps, copper pipe, toilets, cisterns, pee traps.

Furniture…the whole office shebang and all the home comforts like beds, TV’s couches.

Have you got a builders bum Stevieboy? :p

[SteveX]

Have you got a builders bum Stevieboy? :p

na man but I have been the 4th or 5th lorry waiting in line to be unloaded... http://www.pic4ever.com/images/gaah.gif

[HORIZONS]

Deagle talks some about the underground base at Denver along with some info on the space fleet etc on Fri show (about halfway through) http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast/nutri_med/0423101.mp3

[blue777]

the entire deagle thing rotates around the assumption that even the "regular" guys who operate WISE and the southern telescope are not telling, so how many layers of secrecy do you like to asume and where does it stop? if you watch "a beautiful mind" you know what I mean.
If the secret spacefleet exists Deagle should know about it, yet it never figures in his convoluted speeches.

Therefore Sam, all these forums are a waste of time , the blind leading the blind , and dr deagle is in it for his own ego, and no underground system has been built....etc why are we discuusing it if it does not exist...who made all this esoteric stuff up?

[SteveX]

Personally I don't deny there are a FEW underground bases but Deagle said they are building something like 17 bases a year.... I ain't buying that one. I think they would be lucky to sneak one per decade.

[Merkhava]

Getting WISE About Nemesis

http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/3427/getting-wise-about-nemesis

"A dark object may be lurking near our solar system, occasionally kicking comets in our direction."

Best Regards,
Merkhava

[samvado]

Getting WISE About Nemesis

http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/3427/getting-wise-about-nemesis

"A dark object may be lurking near our solar system, occasionally kicking comets in our direction."

Best Regards,
Merkhava

interesting, I somehow had read it but it must have been somewhere else, the content was similar but the format not.
this nemesis is, if it exists, way out there and the danger is the stuff it kicks loose from the oort cloud.

[Merkhava]

VISTA: Pioneering New Survey Telescope Starts Work

A new infrared telescope for the southern hemisphere went into operational deployment about the same time that the WISE satellite was launched from Vandenberg AFB. The telescope located in ESO’s Paranal Observatory in the Atacama Desert of northern Chile will provide the capability to do wide area infrared surveys of the southern sky for celestial objects which can not be detected by optical telescopes.

http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso0949/


"Because VISTA is a large telescope that also has a large field of view it can both detect faint sources and also cover wide areas of sky quickly. Each VISTA image captures a section of sky covering about ten times the area of the full Moon and it will be able to detect and catalogue objects over the whole southern sky with a sensitivity that is forty times greater than that achieved with earlier infrared sky surveys such as the highly successful Two Micron All-Sky Survey."

Best Regards,
Merkhava

[samvado]

VISTA: Pioneering New Survey Telescope Starts Work

yeah, thats been in the making for a LOOOOOng time, true to the european financial structure. everything takes 3 times as long as with a more centralized institution.
I believe they started even before 2000 with that. its only a 4 meter reflector.

the whole enchilada is here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Southern_Observatory)

[perfectresonance]

Therefore Sam, all these forums are a waste of time , the blind leading the blind , and dr deagle is in it for his own ego, and no underground system has been built....etc why are we discuusing it if it does not exist...who made all this esoteric stuff up?

That's actually a very good question. I know you weren't posing it seriously, but

How much crap do we keep regurgitating in forums like this? The act of repeating it seems to give it credence.

Sam's style aside, he does ask some relevant and quite incisive questions at times.

A dark object would pass in front of stars as it moves along the sky. And not briefly either. Someone would have noticed their favourite patch of sky go dark by now and asked a public question about it. If I saw a star disappear the first thing I'd do is contact a bunch of my fellow astronomers to ask them to have a look and tell me what they see.

A lot of these 'dark object near Jupiter' 'data points' are on the 'possible but highly improbable' pile. You can choose to believe based on someone telling you someone they know told someone they know told someone. Fine.

People who think the dark object is real because "Deagle says so and he is 20-30% right " (I read that on the forum somewhere - I nearly choaked on my drink at the time), they really seem to have a very low threshold for accepting information as 'probably true' or even 'true'.

As someone once quipped - the problem with an open mind is that anything can slip into it.


Open-mindedness: Open-mindedness is an intellectual virtue that involves a willingness to take relevant evidence and argument into account in forming or revising our beliefs and values, especially when there is some reason why we might resist such evidence and argument, with a view to arriving at true and defensible conclusions. It means being [I]critically receptive to alternative possibilities, being willing to think again despite having formed an opinion, and sincerely trying to avoid those conditions and offset those factors which constrain and distort our reflections. - http://www.criticalthinking.org/

(emphasis mine)


Sometimes you have to be careful not to mix the messengers style, or how you feel about the messenger, with the message.

[samvado]

As someone once quipped - the problem with an open mind is that anything can slip into it.


I though some peoples minds are so open, their brains fall out ...

[perfectresonance]

Bill, (BR!)

Something just struck me.

One of the 'difficulties' with Bill Deagle is that he just streams information at a high rate. (How does he breathe? Is he an alien <- tongue in cheek)

He doesn't really give an "interviewer" the chance to back up the bus and work on ideas in more detail. As a listener, your brain is already in top gear trying to keep on top of the constant stream of information that any "...now hang on a cotton picking minute" moments you experience during his talks have been lost from short term memory and all you are left with is the feeling there was something you wanted to inquire further about.

I get the sense you and Bill Deagle are happy to spend some more time together, but can I put out the request that you tackle him for 2 hours one day and YOU get to control a proper interview, with questions you pre-prepared, to simply work on a single topic? The dark object one seems perfect to me in this regard. May I suggest interrupting Deagle isn't rude and will be essential ;)

I suppose there is a difference between sitting down and spending 2 or 3 hours listening to people who claim to be direct experiencers of something - the typical whistle blowers and those like Deagle and Wilcock who are, in essence, presumed to be little more than data aggregators with a large number of connections to data.

When you first meet people it is important to get their testimony on tape. But when they keep coming back, and you already have their story, isn't it time for the interviewer to take control and start digging for information?

[Merkhava]

The Nemesis Theory

So there are skeptics here who appear quite passionate in their stance that Nemesis is much ado about nothing. Here is a summary of why the Nemesis Theory has legs and why infrared assets are being deployed to search for brown dwarfs. As some of you may know, brown dwarfs were just theoretical celestial bodies until the first one was discovered recently. Several more have been since, and it is expected that WISE will find thousands more. And IF Nemesis is out there, WISE should find it. It is altogether another issue whether or not "the powers that be" would inform the rest of the world.

http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/extinctions-nemesis.html

In 1984, Muller, along with UC Berkeley astronomer Marc Davis and Piet Hut, an astronomer with the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton University, announced the Nemesis theory in Nature magazine. As could be expected, it was and remains controversial. However, although the evidence for the existence of Nemesis is still circumstantial, this evidence continues to mount, and the theory has so far withstood all challenges.

Best Regards,
Merkhava

[blue777]

The Nemesis Theory

So there are skeptics here who appear quite passionate in their stance that Nemesis is much ado about nothing. Here is a summary of why the Nemesis Theory has legs and why infrared assets are being deployed to search for brown dwarfs. As some of you may know, brown dwarfs were just theoretical celestial bodies until the first one was discovered recently. Several more have been since, and it is expected that WISE will find thousands more. And IF Nemesis is out there, WISE should find it. It is altogether another issue whether or not "the powers that be" would inform the rest of the world.

http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/extinctions-nemesis.html

In 1984, Muller, along with UC Berkeley astronomer Marc Davis and Piet Hut, an astronomer with the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton University, announced the Nemesis theory in Nature magazine. As could be expected, it was and remains controversial. However, although the evidence for the existence of Nemesis is still circumstantial, this evidence continues to mount, and the theory has so far withstood all challenges.

Best Regards,
Merkhava

quote:
So there are skeptics here who appear quite passionate in their stance that Nemesis is much ado about nothing..

therefore why do we have forums like this one, thousands of people cannot be wrong...using intuition etc......also where does all the esoteric data come from , is it all made up from the EGO?
BLUE

[samvado]

So there are skeptics here who appear quite passionate in their stance that Nemesis is much ado about nothing.

wait, in case you are talking to ME: a nemesis (or brown dwarf) somewhere 1.5 lighyears away, I have NO PROBLEM with.
I simply would not comment on it as my knowledge is not sufficient to do that at this time, maybe a probability calculus, but thats it.

However, lets not forget this is the BILL DEAGLE thread. not the NEMESIS thread. I suggested earlier that we start a new thread under science for that.
Bill D. has a way of hysterically telling everybody who has an "open mind" that HIS nemesis is on its way to the inner solar system at a rate of 1 lightyear per 5 years, go figure.
you have btw. never answered my questions regarding you credentials.

[lightblue]

could you reciprocate - let us know about your own credentials.. i've been meaning to ask you..i would like that you are right in thinking that there's no danger from the brown dwarf or some such other..

what makes you anxious about being here at this time? why do you worry about your timely evacuation and dna activation? CMEs alone?...i would like to know.. thanks l :)

[samvado]

could you reciprocate - let us know about your own credentials.. i've been meaning to ask you..i would like that you are right in thinking that there's no danger from the brown dwarf or some such other..

what makes you anxious about being here at this time? why do you worry about your timely evacuation and dna activation? CMEs alone?...i would like to know.. thanks l :)

read my posts, my credentials are all over the place, and the answer to your question too, just yesterday I wrote "what will kill us". check it out.
as an aside: I am not really anxious - there is no death and I KNOW that. thats really all anybody needs to know, the rest is playing the game :-)

[lightblue]

as an aside: I am not really anxious - there is no death and I KNOW that. thats really all anybody needs to know, the rest is playing the game :-

thanks

ok, what makes you so concerned about playing the game right?


read my posts, my credentials are all over the place, and the answer to your question too, just yesterday I wrote "what will kill us". check it out.

i read a lot of your posts, like you know there are many, but i must have missed that one... could you link me up to the page where you say what's the science you specialise in...really, i do have a very good memory, i am sure i would have remembered it if i found that somewhere ..maybe not exactly where, but i would have remembered it...thanks again l :thank_you2:

[bashi]

thanks

ok, what makes you so concerned about playing the game right?



i read a lot of your posts, like you know there are many, but i must have missed that one... could you link me up to the page where you say what's the science you specialise in...really, i do have a very good memory, i am sure i would have remembered it if i found that somewhere ..maybe not exactly where, but i would have remembered it...thanks again l :thank_you2:

Well light, you are challenging somebody who does not know the content of his own posted links.
What do you think will be the result of that?


.

[Baron]

I tried to ignore this thread but I just have to interject here! I said all I need to about " Bill "Criminal" Deagle" in detail at "Avalon1" its just too dammed tiring and negative to keep on, if you need to know just read my emails there it tells all.A brief run down he's a fantasist a liar and a fraud, selling snake oil, and false hoods whereever he can for $$$$$$$, repeating other peoples work and inter-mixing it with balderdash. Yet! Even I listend to this show and if I did not know better I would at least say he was harmless, even though nothing he said was valid he obviously does not know what an (AU) is for a start or the size of the planets he refers! And he does not need to, because most people don't know, so they take his word for it which sounds like its coming from the horses mouth, he sounds quite believable just like most fraudsters do!But its coming from the arses mouth its fowl!

But for those who are new to this guy or unsure or are not aware that he's been exposed years ago, just check out these links from a grieving mother and read what she has to say about Deagle and some other sceptics to name just a few.

Oh and he does not have an MD and never has he is not a Doctor of medicine even though he says so or eludes to being so depending on who he is talking with.He had a medical license from Colarado which was revoked and struck off permentaly after this young mans death and after nearly killing other victims.This was not an (MD) medical Doctor license, it was one that gave him by a twist of the law a way to administer drugs lisence only.

Here is the link to the Colarado medical board and you can see he is still struck off!
https://www.doradls.state.co.us/alison.php?action=COMPDETAIL&ind=true&soboard=51&lickey=MzkwNTAz&t_o_p=0

If he objects here I will be glad to meet with Bill Deagle and prove what is or not.But first let him prove his none credentials ask him where he got his MD from which hospital and teaching hosptital and university did he gain his qualifications? Name address Doctors he worked under etc.There are none! But it would be great to hear more lies from him so he could be exposed once and for all.

Not proofed wrote off the bat.

Links here...
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1713168641008395639&postID=2539867955411624525

http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/2008/02/dr_27.html

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:BwlPyPKUx9kJ:www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread398534/pg1+bill+deagle+lisence+revoked+doradis+state.co.us&cd=1&hl=sv&ct=clnk&gl=se&client=firefox-a

http://williamricharddeagle.blogspot.com/

If you cannot trust somebody with small matters how can you trust them with large ones?

Regards
Baron

[blue777]

I tried to ignore this thread but I just have to interject here! I said all I need to about " Bill "Criminal" Deagle" in detail at "Avalon1" its just too dammed tiring and negative to keep on, if you need to know just read my emails there it tells all.A brief run down he's a fantasist a liar and a fraud, selling snake oil, and false hoods whereever he can for $$$$$$$, repeating other peoples work and inter-mixing it with balderdash. Yet! Even I listend to this show and if I did not know better I would at least say he was harmless, even though nothing he said was valid he obviously does not know what an (AU) is for a start or the size of the planets he refers! And he does not need to, because most people don't know, so they take his word for it which sounds like its coming from the horses mouth, he sounds quite believable just like most fraudsters do!But its coming from the arses mouth its fowl!

But for those who are new to this guy or unsure or are not aware that he's been exposed years ago, just check out these links from a grieving mother and read what she has to say about Deagle and some other sceptics to name just a few.

Oh and he does not have an MD and never has he is not a Doctor of medicine even though he says so or eludes to being so depending on who he is talking with.He had a medical license from Colarado which was revoked and struck off permentaly after this young mans death and after nearly killing other victims.This was not an (MD) medical Doctor license, it was one that gave him by a twist of the law a way to administer drugs lisence only.

Here is the link to the Colarado medical board and you can see he is still struck off!
https://www.doradls.state.co.us/alison.php?action=COMPDETAIL&ind=true&soboard=51&lickey=MzkwNTAz&t_o_p=0

If he objects here I will be glad to meet with Bill Deagle and prove what is or not.But first let him prove his none credentials ask him where he got his MD from which hospital and teaching hosptital and university did he gain his qualifications? Name address Doctors he worked under etc.There are none! But it would be great to hear more lies from him so he could be exposed once and for all.

Not proofed wrote off the bat.

Links here...
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1713168641008395639&postID=2539867955411624525

http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/2008/02/dr_27.html

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:BwlPyPKUx9kJ:www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread398534/pg1+bill+deagle+lisence+revoked+doradis+state.co.us&cd=1&hl=sv&ct=clnk&gl=se&client=firefox-a

http://williamricharddeagle.blogspot.com/

If you cannot trust somebody with small matters how can you trust them with large ones?

Regards
Baron

How do we know that dr deagle is not being smeared , how can we tell the truth from falsehood...what implications does this on people who believe him?
lol

[HORIZONS]

I have heard Deagle deal with and answer all of these up front - and anyone considering this information should look at BOTH sides to the story - in all fairness this is what you would want if it were you. Baron, maybe you are right - but then maybe you are a disinfo agent - I do not know who you are so why should I listen to you and your propaganda?

[Northern Boy]

:couch2:
I have heard Deagle deal with and answer all of these up front - but then maybe you are a disinfo agent???

Let me interject some thing here Deagle in my own opinion to me looks like a guy that has simply lost his way and is grabbing at straws to gain attention for himself . His medical credentials have been stripped from him denying him a right to practice for what ever reason so now he steals all his info from others and twists it to suit his attention whoring ways he is a fraud ,huckster and what ever else one wish`s to call him . One need only listen to him speak and they come to the realization that he all to frequently pats himself on the back claiming to have been offered this and done that and that he will be the one to lead us out of his self proclaiming doomsday he is always speaking of . I said it before I`ll say it again if they wanted this fool dead he`d be in a box 6 feet under ground the only reason it hasn`t happened is because they know he is full of shi t and they like listening to his comedic radio show .

HIS CREDIBILITY IS RIGHT UP THERE WITH CLIMATE GATE IN MY BOOK AND MAN MADE CO2 POLLUTION

[blue777]

:couch2:

Let me interject some thing here Deagle in my own opinion to me looks like a guy that has simply lost his way and is grabbing at straws to gain attention for himself . His medical credentials have been stripped from him denying him a right to practice for what ever reason so now he steals all his info from others and twists it to suit his attention whoring ways he is a fraud ,huckster and what ever else one wish`s to call him . One need only listen to him speak and they come to the realization that he all to frequently pats himself on the back claiming to have been offered this and done that and that he will be the one to lead us out of his self proclaiming doomsday he is always speaking of . I said it before I`ll say it again if they wanted this fool dead he`d be in a box 6 feet under ground the only reason it hasn`t happened is because they know he is full of shi t and they like listening to his comedic radio show .

HIS CREDIBILITY IS RIGHT UP THERE WITH CLIMATE GATE IN MY BOOK AND MAN MADE CO2 POLLUTION

DEAGLEGATE....There is always the possibility he is talking the truth and catastrophes will take place.........i think he is talking the truth with a load of gobblygook thrown in to confuse un-enlightened people and to stop panic hysteria of some kind ...smothering the truth
lol

[Baron]

How do we know that dr deagle is not being smeared , how can we tell the truth from falsehood...what implications does this on people who believe him?
lol

You are not "Seashore" by any chance posting with a new handle?

In answer to your first question. one may question contradictions and you also have to use disernement, and then you examine the evidence.This also answers your second question.And finally Do you mean "what implications does this HAVE on people who believe him?" The same implications as anybody who tells you a lie that you believe, and then discover it was a fruad all along.Either way its not very nice and frustrating and at the bare minimum one's time has been wasted when it could have been used in better ways discovering some truths or higher learning. But you find that hilarious people are fooled?

But just going back to your first question, why would a fully qulified Medical Doctor an MD, quit Medical practice for a chancy occupation as a conspiracy radio jock selling his snake oil off a website? But the Colarado medical board does not see it that way and neither do his victims, he's struck off and he was no MD for a start. Do you know one of the victims mother of the Columbine massacre had to get a restraining order on Deagle to stop him forcing himself on his life trying to make a name for himself with this tragedy? Yeah right he's being smeared by his victims!

Just like he's the most obese quack I know selling diet pills the hippocrisy is amazing.

Sadly most people are sheep and when they hear soemthing they like at first, don't often want to aknowledge the ugly side or that they could have been fooled.
Blinded with clever rhetoric,ignorent good people followed Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc to name a few, only to have been so fooled to their misery often to their own death.

Only by exposing frauds back into their hovel can the truth emerge.

Oh and as for why I said something? Well that's simple I hate to see young people or people new to these cranks being fooled so I tip them off and then its up to them to make their own mind up.We all need to be tipped off now and again.I've been fooled a few times myself its no fun.

Anyway don't believe me do your own research and you will come up trumps.

My keyboard is playing up so there may be a few typos! Sorry.


Regards
Baron

[blue777]

You are not "Seashore" by any chance posting with a new handle?

In answer to your first question. one may question contradictions and you also have to use disernement, and then you examine the evidence.This also answers your second question.And finally Do you mean "what implications does this HAVE on people who believe him?" The same implications as anybody who tells you a lie that you believe, and then discover it was a fruad all along.Either way its not very nice and frustrating and at the bare minimum one's time has been wasted when it could have been used in better ways discovering some truths or higher learning. But you find that hilarious people are fooled?

But just going back to your first question, why would a fully qulified Medical Doctor an MD, quit Medical practice for a chancy occupation as a conspiracy radio jock selling his snake oil off a website? But the Colarado medical board does not see it that way and neither do his victims, he's struck off and he was no MD for a start. Do you know one of the victims mother of the Columbine massacre had to get a restraining order on Deagle to stop him forcing himself on his life trying to make a name for himself with this tragedy? Yeah right he's being smeared by his victims!

Just like he's the most obese quack I know selling diet pills the hippocrisy is amazing.

Sadly most people are sheep and when they hear soemthing they like at first, don't often want to aknowledge the ugly side or that they could have been fooled.
Blinded with clever rhetoric,ignorent good people followed Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc to name a few, only to have been so fooled to their misery often to their own death.

Only by exposing frauds back into their hovel can the truth emerge.

Oh and as for why I said something? Well that's simple I hate to see young people or people new to these cranks being fooled so I tip them off and then its up to them to make their own mind up.We all need to be tipped off now and again.I've been fooled a few times myself its no fun.

Anyway don't believe me do your own research and you will come up trumps.

My keyboard is playing up so there may be a few typos! Sorry.


Regards
Baron

THANKS BARON...VERY ERUDITE......Therefore do you think Bill Ryan has been conned ,and is producing these videos for his own benifit?.........thats the problem,I think Bill is straight..not talkative but straight
lol

[Baron]

I have heard Deagle deal with and answer all of these up front - and anyone considering this information should look at BOTH sides to the story - in all fairness this is what you would want if it were you. Baron, maybe you are right - but then maybe you are a disinfo agent - I do not know who you are so why should I listen to you and your propaganda?

Bill Deagle was exposed before Camelot even started he's lucky he's not in jail. How can the facts that are there in the public domain be disinformation?

So you think maybe I'm a disinfo agent because I point out the truth and the facts! You don't know me so it could be true? I don't know you and you could be Deagles disinfo agent he's had enough of them on the old forum why not here?

Let the facts speak for themselves do your own methodical search and you will if you brain has not been so open its spilled out, find the truth about Deagle and other weasels.

Go on, here's challenge go find out where he got all his credentials from or even just his so called medical Doctrate from,you only need name address training hospitals and doctors trained under etc and I don't mean Dr True Ott either!!! LOL. And then post them here and I will tell you if they are real within a couple days!

Tell me a real Doctor who uses these affiliation titles? "Dr. Bill Deagle MD DABFP FCFP CCFP A4M AAEM" Note they are not qualifications, and the one that is MD he does not have or one that is an acredited qualification! Now that's funny and its up on his own snake oil website!

Faltey keyboard please excuse typos.

Regards
Baron

[3optic]

Here is the link to the Colarado medical board and you can see he is still struck off!
https://www.doradls.state.co.us/alis...kwNTAz&t_o_p=0

If he objects here I will be glad to meet with Bill Deagle and prove what is or not.But first let him prove his none credentials ask him where he got his MD from which hospital and teaching hosptital and university did he gain his qualifications? Name address Doctors he worked under etc.There are none! But it would be great to hear more lies from him so he could be exposed once and for all.

Not proofed wrote off the bat.

Links here...
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?bl...67955411624525

http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.c.../02/dr_27.html

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

http://williamricharddeagle.blogspot.com/

If you cannot trust somebody with small matters how can you trust them with large ones?

Regards
Baron


I've heard Deagle's response to the first post which was that after he came forward there was an attempted hit (used loosely. my word) on him and his career.

The Swallowing The Camel blog is imo disinformation and has been discussed in this forum with little disagreemant that this was the case. Same has been said for ATS.

I'm looking into the last link posted. I'm guessing the Doctor would claim it is part of the smear campaign.

[Baron]

THANKS BARON...VERY ERUDITE......Therefore do you think Bill Ryan has been conned ,and is producing these videos for his own benifit?.........thats the problem,I think Bill is straight..not talkative but straight
lol

A quick reply as I have to fix my keyboard O is an A for example every now and again!!!!

Well yes I do feel both Bill and Kerry have been conned by a handful especially. One of my main reasons for exposing these weasels is that be default they are taking away Bill's credibility and I don't want that to be the case; because Bill has something special in his methodical inteviewing style and presentation that makes it worth listening or hearing. Thing is the liars also know this!

I also think Bill Ryan is to trusting and this is his main weakness, in other parts of life it would be a strength but not around con artists. These people also taint Bill's good work and reputation sadly.

I've been in this game for a long time well before the internet and I have good contacts all over the world so I get the run down on cranks very quickly from like mined people,(Deagle was ousted years ago) who are also searching for the truth and the real conspiracies which are out there. But these wise guys colour everything by overshadowing real truths because its not always quite as sensational as what they have made up using a bit of this and bit of that from all over.

Sorry this is tooooo hard now! I must fix this keyboard software the typos are to darn hard to check now!
You get my drift I hope.

Regards
Baron

[Northern Boy]

deaglegate....there is always the possibility he is talking the truth and catastrophes will take place..

no doubt they will take place but deagle the seer knows just as much as we do about them




.......i think he is talking the truth with a load of gobblygook


that gobblygook can often be seen dropping out of the back end of a horse



and to stop panic hysteria of some kind
............or create a state of fear or panic.


..smothering the truth
who`s truth his or yours

[blue777]

A quick reply as I have to fix my keyboard O is an A for example every now and again!!!!

Well yes I do feel both Bill and Kerry have been conned by a handful especially. One of my main reasons for exposing these weasels is that be default they are taking away Bill's credibility and I don't want that to be the case; because Bill has something special in his methodical inteviewing style and presentation that makes it worth listening or hearing. Thing is the liars also know this!

I also think Bill Ryan is to trusting and this is his main weakness, in other parts of life it would be a strength but not around con artists. These people also taint Bill's good work and reputation sadly.

I've been in this game for a long time well before the internet and I have good contacts all over the world so I get the run down on cranks very quickly from like mined people,(Deagle was ousted years ago) who are also searching for the truth and the real conspiracies which are out there. But these wise guys colour everything by overshadowing real truths because its not always quite as sensational as what they have made up using a bit of this and bit of that from all over.

Sorry this is tooooo hard now! I must fix this keyboard software the typos are to darn hard to check now!
You get my drift I hope.

Regards
Baron

THANKS BARON.....I agree with everything you say......
lol

[blue777]

no doubt they will take place but deagle the seer knows just as much as we do about them





that gobblygook can often be seen dropping out of the back end of a horse



............or create a state of fear or panic.


who`s truth his or yours



thanks northern boy great reply...lol

[Thodin303]

It is nice to hear what others are saying, but ultimately it is up to us to decide what is truth or not. I don't see Bill's rep being hurt by interviewing the folks he does. Both him and Kerry quite often (and have a disclaimer) say they don't agree with everything their guests say.

[ViperHD]

Baron:
My name is Tom.. Looks like you are on an anti-Deagle crusade.
I get the feeling you have an axe to grind with Dr. Deagle. Whats the real story Baron ???
Why do rely so much on your so-called facts? You've obviously spend much time and hate on the subject of Dr. Deagle.
Do you not think the web is full of disinfo designed to muddy all the stuff you read and call facts and truth?
You should also consider that there are disinfo / hate campaigns launched on all whistleblowers and conspiracy realists.
The most credible and brave ones endure the most .... Another thing I need to mention that I think will resonate with everyone is that we were all invited here ( to this forum) and that it is a privilege not a right to be here.. that sort of means you need to be mindful of your posts here and should try to follow the forums guidelines that we all agreed to when accepting the invitation.
I think our host Bill Ryan's efforts to present new information to us deserves more respect than the hate propaganda coming from your posts.
Hello to all members ....let me know if anyone here is from the Toronto area thanks
Tom

[blue777]

Baron:
My name is Tom.. Looks like you are on an anti-Deagle crusade.
I get the feeling you have an axe to grind with Dr. Deagle. Whats the real story Baron ???
Why do rely so much on your so-called facts? You've obviously spend much time and hate on the subject of Dr. Deagle.
Do you not think the web is full of disinfo designed to muddy all the stuff you read and call facts and truth?
You should also consider that there are disinfo / hate campaigns launched on all whistleblowers and conspiracy realists.
The most credible and brave ones endure the most .... Another thing I need to mention that I think will resonate with everyone is that we were all invited here ( to this forum) and that it is a privilege not a right to be here.. that sort of means you need to be mindful of your posts here and should try to follow the forums guidelines that we all agreed to when accepting the invitation.
I think our host Bill Ryan's efforts to present new information to us deserves more respect than the hate propaganda coming from your posts.
Anyone want to help me out here ??
Tom


Well yes I do feel both Bill and Kerry have been conned by a handful especially. One of my main reasons for exposing these weasels is that be default they are taking away Bill's credibility and I don't want that to be the case; because Bill has something special in his methodical inteviewing style and presentation that makes it worth listening or hearing. Thing is the liars also know this!

I also think Bill Ryan is to trusting and this is his main weakness, in other parts of life it would be a strength but not around con artists. These people also taint Bill's good work and reputation sadly.

I've been in this game for a long time well before the internet and I have good contacts all over the world so I get the run down on cranks very quickly from like mined people,(Deagle was ousted years ago) who are also searching for the truth and the real conspiracies which are out there. But these wise guys colour everything by overshadowing real truths because its not always quite as sensational as what they have made up using a bit of this and bit of that from all over.

Sorry this is tooooo hard now! I must fix this keyboard software the typos are to darn hard to check now!
You get my drift I hope.

Regards
Baron

QUOTE:
My name is Tom.. Looks like you are on an anti-Deagle crusade......HELLO TOM . Baron has the freedom of choice in what he believes...
quote:
we were all invited here ( to this forum) and that it is a privilege not a right to be here.. that sort of means you need to be mindful of your posts here and should try to follow the forums guidelines that we all agreed to when accepting the invitation. ....

tHAT SOUNDS A BIT THIRD REICHISH , IF YO DONT MIND ME SAYING.....i THINK..Baron has many valid points , but I still keep an open mind...COME ON BARON WHAT HAVE YOU TO SAY ABOUT THIS..ID DR DEAGLE A PLEB OR A PROPHET..
rave on[COLOR="red"]

[Houman]

Don't shoot the messenger... check the info :ranger:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7429335/Search-on-for-Death-Star-that-throws-out-deadly-comets.html

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1190824_a_million_library_books_to_be_sent_down_the_mines

[denis m]

i listen to dr bill deagle on clay and iron most nights and he does'nt sound like a person trying to con ya.in my opinion he's a good man with a good heart. blue your the show:cool:

[3optic]

i listen to dr bill deagle on clay and iron most nights and he does'nt sound like a person trying to con ya.in my opinion he's a good man with a good heart. blue your the show:cool:

I too have delved deeply into his show and it doesn't seem to me to be a disinformation front.

I will add that I often get audibly annoyed with his fire and brimstone rants. It feels like I'm being lectured to by The Church Lady. He's far too earnest and annoying to be a fraud.

[blue777]

i listen to dr bill deagle on clay and iron most nights and he does'nt sound like a person trying to con ya.in my opinion he's a good man with a good heart. blue your the show:cool:

thanks denis.....i also believe he is speaking some truth with a big smokescreen
lol

[K626]

thanks denis.....i also believe he is speaking some truth with a big smokescreen
lol

There are rules he has to follow.

[Thodin303]

Don't shoot the messenger... check the info :ranger:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7429335/Search-on-for-Death-Star-that-throws-out-deadly-comets.html

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1190824_a_million_library_books_to_be_sent_down_the_mines

Good finds Houman. I'll be interested to see how the effects from the Brown Dwarf star plays out. :cool:

[perfectresonance]

Anyone familiar enough with Deagle's recent material to point me at what Deagle claims is the orbit of the Brown Dwarf star?

[Majorion]

There are rules he has to follow.
What rules are those?

[K626]

What rules are those?

It is better we put the pieces together, cause the pieces are in flux and effect our realities and aren't permanent or immovable. We only really understand things when WE put them together and join the dots ourselves. HE doesn't really know the finalities and nor do we, it is a work in progress, we have purview or second sight on all his material anyway, he is only re-organising it for himself as he vocalises, we are part of that process and through engagement....slowly the reality/realities can compress.

*Bet you wished you hadn't asked now. :p:couch2:

[Swami]

It is better we put the pieces together, cause the pieces are in flux and effect our realities and aren't permanent or immovable. We only really understand things when WE put them together and join the dots ourselves. HE doesn't really know the finalities and nor do we, it is a work in progress, we have purview or second sight on all his material anyway, he is only re-organising it for himself as he vocalises, we are part of that process and through engagement....slowly the reality/realities can compress.

*Bet you wished you hadn't asked now. :p:couch2:

Wauw, wish that I could give answers like that.....
Short but to the point.....

THX K626

[ViperHD]

Me??
Sound third Reichish ???
Now that is a stretch.
Does Baron not fit the title more??

[blue777]

Baron:
My name is Tom.. Looks like you are on an anti-Deagle crusade.
I get the feeling you have an axe to grind with Dr. Deagle. Whats the real story Baron ???
Why do rely so much on your so-called facts? You've obviously spend much time and hate on the subject of Dr. Deagle.
Do you not think the web is full of disinfo designed to muddy all the stuff you read and call facts and truth?
You should also consider that there are disinfo / hate campaigns launched on all whistleblowers and conspiracy realists.
The most credible and brave ones endure the most .... Another thing I need to mention that I think will resonate with everyone is that we were all invited here ( to this forum) and that it is a privilege not a right to be here.. that sort of means you need to be mindful of your posts here and should try to follow the forums guidelines that we all agreed to when accepting the invitation.
I think our host Bill Ryan's efforts to present new information to us deserves more respect than the hate propaganda coming from your posts.
Hello to all members ....let me know if anyone here is from the Toronto area thanks
Tom

well Baron let him know how you really feel....lol..infact baron feels opposite to what you are saying

[Northern Boy]

Anyone familiar enough with Deagle's recent material to point me at what Deagle claims is the orbit of the Brown Dwarf star?

seeing how Deagle is no stranger to food I`m sure he has let a few brown dwarf stars loose out of his back end that should provide you with a grand starting point

[Bill Ryan]

seeing how Deagle is no stranger to food I`m sure he has let a few brown dwarf stars loose out of his back end that should provide you with a grand starting point

Hi, NB:

I'm writing this wearing my mod's hat: That's an ad hominem attack that's not okay here. And your 'joke' is a poor one.

To make the point, let's see a photo of yourself, along with your real name, and we'll invite people to make comments about your appearance.

Or maybe not. Get the point?

For the record. Bill Deagle is diabetic and has issues with high blood sugar. That's where his high energy comes from... and if you know anything about body metabolism you'll understand how the liver processes the extra sugar that's not being burned.

None of this has anything to do with his information, and it's that which should be debated - as intelligently (and with as much research data as anyone can contribute) as possible. I prefer Sam's sharp-edged but [mostly] data-based criticisms to this cheap jibe, which does not belong here.

My best wishes - Bill [Now let's do a reset, okay?]

[samvado]

I prefer Sam's sharp-edged but [mostly] data-based criticisms to this cheap jibe, which does not belong here.

Now, that you had to mention my name, allow me a last remark with regards to the Deagle issue:
I have basically left this discussion because it got so irrational from the Deagle-defenders side, who incidentially also always seem to have YOUR personal honor in mind, (as if that was in any way connected, if Deagle is a fraud you can still be 100% honest, maybe gullible, but honest, in my book).

So -WHY- has nobody ever tried to debunk my "data-based criticisms" as THEY ALONE point towards Deagle being a NERD. Any German with a science-based abitur (high school final test) could debunk that guy. Whats wrong with you Bill, if you are sharp as a knife when it comes to the "Heather" stuff but loose all scientific oversight with Dr. Deagle?

I have seen people with too high blood sugar, that disease is epidemic. I can not perceive the same psychological mechanism you seem to see. and today getting ones bloodsugar corrected is an easy task.
it does in any case not excuse severe scientific blunders.

if anyone wants to bet we wont see a dark star anywhere near pluto in our lifetime- I am open :-)

[blue777]

Now, that you had to mention my name, allow me a last remark with regards to the Deagle issue:
I have basically left this discussion because it got so irrational from the Deagle-defenders side, who incidentially also always seem to have YOUR personal honor in mind, (as if that was in any way connected, if Deagle is a fraud you can still be 100% honest, maybe gullible, but honest, in my book).

So -WHY- has nobody ever tried to debunk my "data-based criticisms" as THEY ALONE point towards Deagle being a NERD. Any German with a science-based abitur (high school final test) could debunk that guy. Whats wrong with you Bill, if you are sharp as a knife when it comes to the "Heather" stuff but loose all scientific oversight with Dr. Deagle?

I have seen people with too high blood sugar, that disease is epidemic. I can not perceive the same psychological mechanism you seem to see. and today getting ones bloodsugar corrected is an easy task.
it does in any case not excuse severe scientific blunders.

if anyone wants to bet we wont see a dark star anywhere near pluto in our lifetime- I am open :-)

Hello Sam,
we have never seen eye to eye on this theme. I believe dr deagle is speaking some truth with a big smokescreen.That is why I put you on the skeptic list...many are skeptics who have not done one once of research.
if anyone wants to bet we wont see a dark star anywhere near pluto in our lifetime- I am open...i bet......because what is needed here is not just reason....but a synthesis of reason and intuition. The indigenous people who handed their evidence from generation to generation, cannot be wrong and they are preparing for solar disorder .....we are going into a new age.....and each new age has documentaion of catastrophes.(.I have not got Bill's honour in mind ), but I do see a gentleman ......I have my own thoughts , I am my own man,.........and calling Bill gullable is a bit much.Therefore Sam, if there is catastrophes in the next 3-4 years..you may eat Bills hat
rave on
blue.

[Northern Boy]

For the record. Bill Deagle is diabetic and has issues with high blood sugar.All the more reason he should be limiting what he eats My uncle was a diabetic and he was constantly watching what he ate


and if you know anything about body metabolism you'll understand how the liver processes the extra sugar that's not being burned.It gets stores as fat if its not used up so high energy means sugar should be used up low energy would mean unused sugar would be stored as body fat


To make the point, let's see a photo of yourself, along with your real name, and we'll invite people to make comments about your appearance.
his name has nothing to do with it sorry If i made it seem that way. he has chosen to make a public figure of him self and put him self in the spotlight not I.If you must know Bill I`m 5'7" muscular build from years of playing competitive hockey baseball and roughly 195 lbs.Those that wish to believe he adds something of value to their lives can choose to absorb his message TO ME HE ADDS NOTHING so in all fairness to you and Bill Deagle this will be my last post on him

[3optic]

.If you must know Bill I`m 5'7" muscular build from years of playing competitive hockey baseball and roughly 195 lbs.

Thanks for the personals add. Do you also like long walks on the beach?

[BecomingpHIL]

thanks for the personals add. Do you also like long walks on the beach?

..........rofl

[blue777]

quote NB: If you must know Bill I`m 5'7" muscular build from years of playing competitive hockey baseball and roughly 195 lbs.

yes, But HAVE YOU APOLOGISED FOR BEING A NAUGHTY BOY.....anyone can be rude,derogatory ...however to be a real 5'7" muscular built person.. what you need is ,.humility and love , which will make you even stronger.....
love to all
blue
dr deagle is like the rest of us trying to get to the truth
p.s the beaches are very long where i live...lol

[Northern Boy]

Thanks for the personals add. Do you also like long walks on the beach?


Bill asked me to post a picture of myself .... I do not post pictures of myself on the net as you only give information about your self out when you do so . The question in my mind is why would you want to know if I like long walks along the beach ? You being a male it only makes me think your batting from both sides of the plate or the wrong side of it but thats OK I have no interest in partaking in any walks with you or any other males . So there you have sorry to have crushed your advances towards me but I prefer the opposite sex better keep looking

[Richard]

Hi NB
Bill did not really ask you to post a pic of yourself he was making a point which I will reiterate here.
Open debate and discussion whether deep or lighthearted is welcome but cheap shots, especially unfounded ones are not. (you know all this)
What I feel Bill meant is that hiding behind a anonymous moniker and criticizing others is easy and typically a cowards way of doing things.
That is not who you are and I know that, so pm me and lets get to the bottom of it and let this thread go back to topic.

Thanks a bunch




Bill asked me to post a picture of myself .... I do not post pictures of myself on the net as you only give information about your self out when you do so . The question in my mind is why would you want to know if I like long walks along the beach ? You being a male it only makes me think your batting from both sides of the plate or the wrong side of it but thats OK I have no interest in partaking in any walks with you or any other males . So there you have sorry to have crushed your advances towards me but I prefer the opposite sex better keep looking

[daci]

Well said Richard!

Best to all!

Namasté,
Majda

[Myra]

A lot of negativity about Bill Deagle here. That doesn't matter to me even if it's true, it's completely irrelevant.

For anyone skeptical, think of this: disinformation is almost always put out there as truth mixed with lies. Let's go with this for a minute, what if Bill Deagle is a Disinfo Agent? Does that discredit absolutely EVERYTHING he is saying?

Have any of you skeptics compared what he is saying to other Whistleblowers? Does anything he is saying corroborate with other's testimonies?

I've studied the Nibiru, Planet X, Nemises, incoming Comet or Dwarf Star or whatever it is or whatever you want to call it issue, for awhile now. I totally believe YES there is some kind of incoming Body causing all of the Earthquakes, Sun acting up and more etc. With this in mind it would be prudent not to Kill The Messenger.

I think people really ought to pay attention that something may very well be incoming and to prepare.

[lisa]

what if Bill Deagle is a Disinfo Agent? Does that discredit absolutely EVERYTHING he is saying?
On the other hand, would you accept and process information from a disinfo agent the same way as you would from a "prophet"?

[Giusmar]

Just finished to listen to the interview and I found it most informative and straight to the point! Just as it should have been! Cheers!!!!

[Giusmar]

All other skeptical and somehow childish replies, although legitimate, are utter nonsense!

[kinsuemei2]

Good interview Bill, the intel is interesting, it was an entertaining interview. i don't thin Deagle is a prophet but he is a intelligent coherent and brilliant person, and he seems to have some very sound theories. or at least working with people to pass on brilliant theories.
Ben

[Myra]

On the other hand, would you accept and process information from a disinfo agent the same way as you would from a "prophet"?

No, because I don't really believe in any certain prophets. I am having a hard time believing right now that any one person has the whole picture. How is anyone really to know for sure?

*ON EDIT* I need to clarify here that I do not consider Bill Deagle to be a Disinfo Agent. I am just responding to those that do.

[K626]

A good writer possesses not only his own spirit but also the spirit of his friends.
Friedrich Nietzsche

[Swami]

Cassidy-Deagle Interview

http://www.livestream.com/alienshift/video?clipId=pla_f017b0b0-a40b-4dfa-b932-da7d279dda44

[Baron]

Baron:

"My name is Tom.. Looks like you are on an anti-Deagle crusade."

Really, Tom now, that must be awkward? No not at all if I was on a crusade I would have perhaps run him through on route to the Holy Land.
Because Deagle being part Lebanese I would have mistaken him for being of another faith and not a Christian being a snake oil salesman.



"I get the feeling you have an axe to grind with Dr. Deagle. Whats the real story Baron ???"

An axe to grind with Bill Deagle? Not in the truest sense of the word so no certainly not just pointing out the false hoods of a fraud! Real story you ask?
Well long long ago in a near off galaxy I came across this Deagle and some others and realised he was contradicting himself and telling porkers false hoods and just plain data that was wrong, so we took a deeper look at him, only to find others had already started the process after being fooled, with even more scary facts, and we all compiled a very damming dossier on him. We did not like being conned directly or indirectly or what he had done to others,and we carried it on a bit further and investigated others of his ilk! But that's all for another post.

We discovered that he was not a real "MD" and no medical school! And so no need to call him Dr, that's from one of those buy one-off the net degrees.Worthless and you could NOT get a job in a hospital, hair salon or an office with one either, unless they were none the wiser at the hair salon,mind you having the one pharmacutical prescription license Deagle did wrangle, did not last long he was struck off the Colorado medical board after the death of a young man.Never mind the Columbine stuff! FACT.



"Why do rely [sic] so much on your so-called facts?"

Now really not even I can believe you said that! "Why do rely so much on your so-called facts?" Is that not obvious, facts are what lead you to the truth via the evidence.

"You've obviously spend [sic] much time and hate on the subject of Dr. Deagle."

No not much time and its worth it if I can stop a few people from being frauded or fooled with his BS. No No I never have anything to do with hate its such a negative emotion I don't let people like that bother me.

"Do you not think the web is full of disinfo designed to muddy all the stuff you read and call facts and [sic] truth?"

Oh yes full of them just like you here "Bill Deagle" doing a nice bit of disinfo posting as "ViperHD" Guess how I know? You will be surprised! LOL.You've been tracked works great don't you think? The charade is up so Bill deagle from now on.


"You should also consider that there are disinfo / hate campaigns launched on all whistleblowers and conspiracy realists."

No that's not true for the most part, yes perhaps some real whistleblowers, but they are few and far between.Most are just fantasists who troll the net and make stuff up! You know that Bill Deagle, as you are one, and certainly not a realist.


"The most credible and brave ones endure the most ...."

No that's not always the case the most credible and brave, the real whistleblowers don't last long in general and usually don't end up with radio shows, and conspiracies they can make up out of an almost scenario, selling over priced health stuffs and gizmos, that are generally worthless, the phonies usually endure the longest and huddle together to prop each other up, selling their snake oil, BS and lies.

"Another thing I need to mention that I think will resonate with everyone is that we were all invited here ( to this forum) and that it is a privilege not a right to be here.. that sort of means you need to be mindful of your posts here and should try to follow the forums guidelines that we all agreed to when accepting the invitation"

Oh Bill, Bill Deagle "resonate with everyone here" tut tut pandering for support trying to garner favour with the owner Bill Ryan trying to allude that I have not followed the rules.
Just for the record I'm very mindful of my posts I don't use swear words and I back up any claims with personal testimony and experience and more importantly facts and evidence.That's more than can be said of you.



"I think our host Bill Ryan's efforts to present new information to us deserves more respect than the hate propaganda coming from your posts."

Now now Bill Deagle you just don't like me ousting you, so you're being obsequious towards Bill Ryan, really you are so transparent; as I said there is no hate in any of my posts ever for you or any I expose. There you go again twisting the truth with false hoods your favourite past time!Utterly disgraceful.

"Hello to all members ....let me know if anyone here is from the Toronto area thanks
Tom" Aka Bill deagle stooge


Regards
Baron
PS: MY earlier rebuttal was lost after having been automatically logged out, and then a computer crash hence the delay!

[Baron]

ViperHD wrote:
Me??
Sound third Reichish ???
Now that is a stretch.
Does Baron not fit the title more??


ViperHD aka Bill deagle stooge,

Nice little dig at me there, truth hurting?! Though you have the wrong war, Reich belongs with the 2nd WW. The red Baron was a gentleman and a hero of the 1st WW nothing to do with your Reichish. Baron is a knight of the people just like Baron of Locksley aka Robin Hood defender of the people from the fraudulent criminals.

Baron

[Merkhava]

Interesting article about Jupiter...

For some reason, Jupiter has lost the red ring in it's southern hemisphere.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1277734/Jupiter-loses-stripes-scientists-idea-why.html


The question begs itself... is there something in the southern heavens below the solar system's ecliptic plane affecting Jupiter?

Best Regards,
Merkhava

[ktlight]

Hi, All:

Click here for a funny, profound and important six-minute teaser summary of a new, major audio interview with Dr Bill Deagle:

http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_14_April_2010_extract.mp3

You need to hear this: both the teaser and the interview, which should be posted in a few hours' time. Enjoy. :)

The hour and a half which precedes it is about the causal connection between Planet X (not a planet, but a brown dwarf star, currently somewhere round the orbit of Jupiter) and the clear trend of increased volcanic and earthquake activity that's becoming increasingly hard for anyone to ignore.

Best wishes to all, Bill


Update: Full interview now posted:http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_14_April_2010.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_14_April_2010.mp3


I listened to the full interview and was interested to hear about the data particles (1.06 approx). He states that that is what flashes into the eye. I wondered if he could expand on this because sometimes light flashes peripherally and sometimes a direct hit. Also, it doesn't matter if there is thick cloud. When this first started happening, I thought it might be lasers but, having queried this with Bill H, he thought it was not. What did he mean by 'data particles'? I am wondering if I am missing any data when the lights connect with me.

He said 'gravity is not linear' but did not say what it is in those terms.

I think he could be right that we should consider ourselves individually as a neuron in our collective frontal lobe.

If there is the opportunity, could you please ask him to expand.

[Merkhava]

I am attaching a PDF of a recent scientific paper submitted by Mensur Omerbashich to the European Royal Society. I’m also linking it: http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1104/1104.2036.pdf

The paper shows data highlighting the recurring “coincidence” of major earthquake events of M6+ whenever Elenin has an astronomical alignment to the Earth together with the Sun or one/more of the planets.

Several strong M7+ earthquakes have happened on the days of Elenin-Earth alignments:
04/01/2007.........Solomon Islands.....M8.1
08/15/2007.........Peru....................M8.0
05/12/2008.........China...................M7.9
09/29/2009.........Samoa.................M8.1
02/27/2010.........Chile....................M8.8
09/03/2010.........New Zealand.........M7.0
03/11/2011.........Japan...................M9.0


If this earthquake data points to a real problem for our solar system, then we have several dates of interest to watch:

July 07, 2011 Saturn-Elenin-Sun alignment…. Will there be observable astronomical effects on the planet Saturn suggesting that Elenin is something else other than a mere comet?

Aug 17, 2011 Earth-Mercury-Sun-Venus alignment…. Will there be more M6+ earthquake(s) on the Earth that day?

Sep 27, 2011 Earth-ELEnin-Sun alignment with 0.0 declination (exactly on the ecliptic plane)… This is The Alignment that really bothers me. Elenin will be between us and the Sun.

Oct 16, 2011 Elenin closest approach to Earth. JPL shows it will be 0.233 AU. I’ve been told that a NASA person came into the NASA Buzzroom chat site not long ago and said Elenin’s closest approach will actually be 0.0004 AU.
http://buzzroom.nasa.gov/

Nov 11, 2011 Elenin-Earth-Mercury-Venus alignment

JPL’s orbital site on Elenin: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=1;log=0;cad=1#cad

Shalom,
Merkhava

[ThePythonicCow]

That was another corroborating factor. I know nothing to indicate that his information is not totally authentic. Even his amusing anecdote about free-falling for quite a long time while descending in the elevator to the underground base
Given the anti-gravity technology that the Nazi's were developing during World War II, technology that other major nations of the world continued developing after the war (I'm paraphrasing my readings of Joseph P. Farrell here), perhaps that sense of free-falling was misleading.

Perhaps gravity was reduced in that "elevator", and the elevator did not move as far as it felt like it did, to the occupants.

It would be interesting to know whether those reporting this felt the "braking" of the elevator, near the end, as an increase in gravity above normal, pushing them into the floor more heavily than normal, or whether gravity just returned to normal, not presenting much if any sense of higher than normal body weight.