Where's the North Polar Ice Cap???

[Mayan2012]

I just got on Google Earth and when I turned the earth to look at the north pole, I didn't see the polar ice cap that I used to see last year.
The only white I saw in the north is Greenland's snow covered land, which is not the polar ice cap.
Then I turned the earth to see the Southern Polar Ice Cap and that one is still there, much smaller than it used to be last year but it is still there, for now.

Did the polar ice cap melt completely and I didn't get the memo? When did this happen??
I don't really watch TV but is it possible that it was announced and I just missed it because the media didn't make a big deal about it like they do when they don't want you to know about it or they just gloss over it so you forget about it?

[slvrfx]

I just got on Google Earth and when I turned the earth to look at the north pole, I didn't see the polar ice cap that I used to see last year.
The only white I saw in the north is Greenland's snow covered land, which is not the polar ice cap.
Then I turned the earth to see the Southern Polar Ice Cap and that one is still there, much smaller than it used to be last year but it is still there, for now.

Did the polar ice cap melt completely and I didn't get the memo? When did this happen??
I don't really watch TV but is it possible that it was announced and I just missed it because the media didn't make a big deal about it like they do when they don't want you to know about it or they just gloss over it so you forget about it?

Very very very interesting. Keep us up to date on this one.

[norman]

Google is in on the scam. They've probably just fiddled with the images to add their weight to the 'man made global warming' theme.

They haven't updated the area I live in for many years so it's unlikely they would have changed the polar areas either unless they had an agenda.

[Celine]

i agree norman..

and i must say this...

your avatar is quite disturbing to me..

[Gaia]

Yeah, the Google view of the North Pole has been cooking my noodle too !

Two summers ago the North Pole completely melted for the first time in history that we know of. Both private and military ships floated directly over the actual North Pole as it was completely water. This area has never been seen to be less then ten feet of solid ice.

http://www.teslasociety.com/pictures/global_warming/inconvenient4.jpg

[Mayan2012]

I just looked at Google Earth and I looked for the North Polar Ice Cap but could not find it? Am I looking in the wrong place? I can find the Southern Polar Ice Cap and I can see Greenland with snow on land but the cap is not there.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=4237&d=1296582340

[modwiz]

Google is in on the scam. They've probably just fiddled with the images to add their weight to the 'man made global warming' theme.

They haven't updated the area I live in for many years so it's unlikely they would have changed the polar areas either unless they had an agenda.

I read and saw a graph "proving" the the was 50 per cent thicker ice this year.

We need to stop polluting whether we are going ice age or steam bath. What a bunch of morons run this planet.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/09/wuwt-ice-survey-shows-thickening-arctic-ice/

[Hiram]

Two summers ago the North Pole completely melted for the first time in history that we know of. Both private and military ships floated directly over the actual North Pole as it was completely water. This area has never been seen to be less then ten feet of solid ice.




Hi Gaia,

If you click this link and then look at the image of the USS Skate...you'll see that they surfaced in an Ice-less north pole in the hot summers of the 1930s. http://www.goatlocker.org/boats/mmcm.htm

Its been hot there before.

But I think what might be happening NOW is some image manipulation.

[Operator]

If you click this link and then look at the image of the USS Skate...you'll see that they surfaced in an Ice-less north pole in the hot summers of the 1930s.

Hi Hiram,

It's so easy to make mistakes with pictures ... so I double checked your statement.
What I see is a picture of the USS Skate (578) but on that website it does not say anything about 1930 nor that the picture is taken on the north pole.

I found this website: http://library.osu.edu/sites/exhibits/nautilus/afterwards.html

it shows this picture
http://library.osu.edu/sites/exhibits/nautilus/images/wilkins35_5_1t.jpg

The correct date seems to be March 17, 1959 ...

I have to admit ... the ice does not look impressive thick to me but it looks like the circumstances were different :cool:

[Gaia]

This is propaganda..its fact.
We need to get passed the point of debate and begin to insist on meaningful action,because the Arctic is the most sensitive region on the Earth when it comes to warming. Cold seawater is critical for the formation of sea ice, which helps to cool the planet by reflecting sunlight back to space. Those papers can continue to publish that sort of garbage and those media needs to act responsibly without manipulation. But the fact is, most Canadians, and even most Americans already know global warming is happening because they can see it on a personal level. The media just wasting ink, because most of the population isn't listening. But I suspect that a planet which has survive both being a molten blob and a frozen snowball will survive anything we can possibly do.

Chapeau bas, Hiram !

[Lifebringer]

Weren't they showing pre-empted or backround cartoon weather screens, instead of actual footage with all this high technology of satelights, what stops us from actually seeing the planet live? Because something big and possibly destructive comes our way? Why hide the actual truth of the colors or our skys and not that pasted on screen they write on with colors for snow and such. We aren't in kindergarden, and how are we to recognize actual storm systems of science, if we have to rely on cartoon blackboard weather. We had such a beautiful planet, could big oil now control what our oceans actually look like live, sowe don't see the damages of black seas?

Inquiring minds want and need to know. I mean really can't we just see the actual colors, snow erosion and melt as it is occurring now? The answers to that boys and girls is no, it's bad for wall st markets and dirty pollution stocks. I notice the speculators were at it again even before the revolts in the ME.

They are so core rotten and materialistically greedy, predictably easy to see now. Prayers couldn't have ben answered at a better time for the awakening of man. Hoodwinked in fairy tale land so long, it's shocking to most, unless they experienced the theft and injustice early. So many people killing to collect insurance and or losing their programmed minds.

Pray people and put out the good.

[norman]

There is plenty of evidence that something is going on with the climate. FACT.

There is also plenty of debate about what that IS!, and WHY ?

My gut says we are being bum rushed into something that's got nothing to do with the WHY?

[Hiram]

Hi Hiram,

It's so easy to make mistakes with pictures ... so I double checked your statement.
What I see is a picture of the USS Skate (578) but on that website it does not say anything about 1930 nor that the picture is taken on the north pole.

I found this website: http://library.osu.edu/sites/exhibits/nautilus/afterwards.html

it shows this picture
http://library.osu.edu/sites/exhibits/nautilus/images/wilkins35_5_1t.jpg

The correct date seems to be March 17, 1959 ...

I have to admit ... the ice does not look impressive thick to me but it looks like the circumstances were different :cool:

Yes, It may have been given erroneous dates in the area I was looking. Plus, the sub in the photograph wouldn't have existed in the 30s. (smacks head with hand:-) Seemed suspect to me...but the fact that a sub was able to surface at all, even in 1959, demonstrates that Arctic sea-ice at the pole does melt off at times.

The idea that it "never" does...is erroneous.

I couldn't agree more that the climate is changing...I would not debate that.

The "why" is where people get hung up.

[Lifebringer]

I watched a PBS program over the weekend twice about baby animals and the instinctual nurturing. What I surmised is they too are evolving to heightened intelligence. Check it out sometime.

[Richard]

Google's Satellite images are not real-time and in some cases are several years old. I am between 4-5000 km south and everything here is frozen solid :smow:

[Lifebringer]

After the wobble stopped, wasn't there a shift of 700 miles? It appears the rumor may be true and possibly the reason for the cartoon weather reports we receive on the news. The US seems to be in the Canadian area with the sunny regions south beginning at VA. VA is getting Jersey weather, Jersey is getting NY weather and Canada has the best skiing in the country but the temps are frigid. It's like Canada is the new N pole and the EU is now getting weather like Sweden used to get, frigid and cold. I don't know. Something is haywire or amiss in this. Programmed people, for programmed corporate cover ups?

[Hiram]

The sea Ice melts during the summer...not all of it, but it reduces significantly.

It would not be "normal" for it to be gone in the Northern Winter.

That's why I agree with Richard here that we are probably looking at a software glitch. To my understanding however, I have never seen it THAT devoid of ice. Period. A summer melt wouldn't explain that. Check me on that.

My vote is image manipulation.

[Mayan2012]

After the wobble stopped, wasn't there a shift of 700 miles? It appears the rumor may be true and possibly the reason for the cartoon weather reports we receive on the news. The US seems to be in the Canadian area with the sunny regions south beginning at VA. VA is getting Jersey weather, Jersey is getting NY weather and Canada has the best skiing in the country but the temps are frigid. It's like Canada is the new N pole and the EU is now getting weather like Sweden used to get, frigid and cold. I don't know. Something is haywire or amiss in this. Programmed people, for programmed corporate cover ups?

Not sure where you read that the wobble stopped but the earth has never stopped wobbling and it never will. It's like saying the earth stopped spinning or orbiting.

[Mayan2012]

Very very very interesting. Keep us up to date on this one.

To add to the mystery, I looked at the archived views of the north pole on Google Earth all the way back to 1938 to present and it does not show the polar cap existing since then.
Then there is this web site that shows the alarming rate at which the cap is melting from 1979 to 2003 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/24/1066631611744.html

What gives??

Someone has some splaining to do!

[drizzt]

I read that there is a hole in the core to the center of the Earth there at the pole and there is alot of activity there also. they are covering up the ships ours and theirs (UFO'S). I know not the truth of the matter for it is really hard to find recent pictures up there. A recent trip funded to explore up there was canceled cuz of Russia would not let him cross the land they own.

http://www.x2-radio.com/

Brooks A. Agnew is the leader of the group. i posted this site he runs to get some more info to you.

[Fred259]

I just looked at Google Earth and I looked for the North Polar Ice Cap but could not find it? Am I looking in the wrong place? I can find the Southern Polar Ice Cap and I can see Greenland with snow on land but the cap is not there.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=4237&d=1296582340

They only show landmass on Google earth, The North Pole is not a continent Antarctica on the other hand is.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, Folks -

This is a very useful, comprehensive and interesting page that covers the entire topic in depth:

http://john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm

Where I found this photo (taken in 1993). The 1959 USS Skate photo is there too (from a different angle).

http://www.john-daly.com/polar/Pargo.jpg

[Humble Janitor]

Google is in on the scam. They've probably just fiddled with the images to add their weight to the 'man made global warming' theme.

They haven't updated the area I live in for many years so it's unlikely they would have changed the polar areas either unless they had an agenda.

I read and saw a graph "proving" the the was 50 per cent thicker ice this year.

We need to stop polluting whether we are going ice age or steam bath. What a bunch of morons run this planet.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/09/wuwt-ice-survey-shows-thickening-arctic-ice/

Certainly.

The time to debate this has long passed. The more people debate, the worse things get!

[Mayan2012]

Weren't they showing pre-empted or backround cartoon weather screens, instead of actual footage with all this high technology of satelights, what stops us from actually seeing the planet live? Because something big and possibly destructive comes our way? Why hide the actual truth of the colors or our skys and not that pasted on screen they write on with colors for snow and such. We aren't in kindergarden, and how are we to recognize actual storm systems of science, if we have to rely on cartoon blackboard weather. We had such a beautiful planet, could big oil now control what our oceans actually look like live, sowe don't see the damages of black seas?

Inquiring minds want and need to know. I mean really can't we just see the actual colors, snow erosion and melt as it is occurring now? The answers to that boys and girls is no, it's bad for wall st markets and dirty pollution stocks. I notice the speculators were at it again even before the revolts in the ME.

They are so core rotten and materialistically greedy, predictably easy to see now. Prayers couldn't have ben answered at a better time for the awakening of man. Hoodwinked in fairy tale land so long, it's shocking to most, unless they experienced the theft and injustice early. So many people killing to collect insurance and or losing their programmed minds.

Pray people and put out the good.

XLNT points Lifebringer.

[Mayan2012]

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Hi, Folks -

This is a very useful, comprehensive and interesting page that covers the entire topic in depth:

http://john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm

Where I found this photo (taken in 1993). The 1959 USS Skate photo is there too (from a different angle).

http://www.john-daly.com/polar/Pargo.jpg

The site is replete with facts, figures, charts and pictures of a long time ago, but it doesn't help as much as a very current satellite picture of the North Pole.
I remember last year and the year before, looking at Russia next to the North Pole and it was mostly white from the snow. Now it is all brown and green.
The North Pole was always a shrinking round mass of white.
The South Pole ice is still there but smaller than a few years ago.
Could it be that the the recent 10 degree shifting of the poles had this effect on the ice?
Making other, traditionally warmer climates colder and snowier? Like the mid/south west?

[Fred259]

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Hi, Folks -

This is a very useful, comprehensive and interesting page that covers the entire topic in depth:

http://john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm

Where I found this photo (taken in 1993). The 1959 USS Skate photo is there too (from a different angle).

http://www.john-daly.com/polar/Pargo.jpg

The site is replete with facts, figures, charts and pictures of a long time ago, but it doesn't help as much as a very current satellite picture of the North Pole.
I remember last year and the year before, looking at Russia next to the North Pole and it was mostly white from the snow. Now it is all brown and green.
The North Pole was always a shrinking round mass of white.
The South Pole ice is still there but smaller than a few years ago.
Could it be that the the recent 10 degree shifting of the poles had this effect on the ice?
Making other, traditionally warmer climates colder and snowier? Like the mid/south west?

Mayan 12 seriously you are dangerous. What are you smoking?

[Mayan2012]

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Hi, Folks -

This is a very useful, comprehensive and interesting page that covers the entire topic in depth:

http://john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm

Where I found this photo (taken in 1993). The 1959 USS Skate photo is there too (from a different angle).

http://www.john-daly.com/polar/Pargo.jpg

The site is replete with facts, figures, charts and pictures of a long time ago, but it doesn't help as much as a very current satellite picture of the North Pole.
I remember last year and the year before, looking at Russia next to the North Pole and it was mostly white from the snow. Now it is all brown and green.
The North Pole was always a shrinking round mass of white.
The South Pole ice is still there but smaller than a few years ago.
Could it be that the the recent 10 degree shifting of the poles had this effect on the ice?
Making other, traditionally warmer climates colder and snowier? Like the mid/south west?

Mayan 12 seriously you are dangerous. What are you smoking?

Really? You think? Because I want to know the truth and nothing but the truth and I like for things to make sense and I don't take just any explanation as fact?
Personally I like things to add up and frankly these so called facts don't add up.
I think this whole forum is built on people who have questioning minds.

Just out of curiosity, what do you believe is the truth about the north polar ice cap?

[Mayan2012]

I just looked at Google Earth and I looked for the North Polar Ice Cap but could not find it? Am I looking in the wrong place? I can find the Southern Polar Ice Cap and I can see Greenland with snow on land but the cap is not there.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=4237&d=1296582340

They only show landmass on Google earth, The North Pole is not a continent Antarctica on the other hand is.

Good point Fred259. That does satisfy my inquiring mind somewhat. Thanks.

[Fred259]

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Hi, Folks -

This is a very useful, comprehensive and interesting page that covers the entire topic in depth:

http://john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm

Where I found this photo (taken in 1993). The 1959 USS Skate photo is there too (from a different angle).

http://www.john-daly.com/polar/Pargo.jpg

The site is replete with facts, figures, charts and pictures of a long time ago, but it doesn't help as much as a very current satellite picture of the North Pole.
I remember last year and the year before, looking at Russia next to the North Pole and it was mostly white from the snow. Now it is all brown and green.
The North Pole was always a shrinking round mass of white.
The South Pole ice is still there but smaller than a few years ago.
Could it be that the the recent 10 degree shifting of the poles had this effect on the ice?
Making other, traditionally warmer climates colder and snowier? Like the mid/south west?

Mayan 12 seriously you are dangerous. What are you smoking?

Really? You think? Because I want to know the truth and nothing but the truth and I like for things to make sense and I don't take just any explanation as fact?
Personally I like things to add up and frankly these so called facts don't add up.
I think this whole forum is built on people who have questioning minds.

Just out of curiosity, what do you believe is the truth about the north polar ice cap?[/QUOTE]

Mayan, seriously go back and read your post are you seriously suggesting that the polar ice cap has melted away and now its all green and brown stuff as you put it…with the greatest respect everything in your post is laughable, seriously mayan, I suggest you either change it or remove it because you are looking very very foolish indeed… people will be wondering what Turnip truck you arrived on…Its your call...