Some personal opinions / observations on A I

[thepainterdoug]

What  is it that we admire in each other?  Take music ?,  growing up in the 60ies,  It was Eric Clapton of Cream and a handful of others , Keith Emmerson of Emerson Lake and Palmer on keyboards and many others.It wasn't only the music, but it was that they did it. They played it!   
They accomplished a skill that was beyond everyone else.  Most couldn't play like that and it separated them from the average musician . It was a great feat!   I often cite the analogy of climbing Mt Everest.  A helicopter can get you up to the top, but the feat and accomplishment is climbing it.

The arts,  The great Hudson River painter, Albert Beirstadt , Fredrick Church creating such detail and luminosity.Go to sports, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, rocked the boxing world.   Wayne Gretsky  In Hockey, Pele in Soccer just to mention a few.  They led the way , inspired us all and showed a commitment level , a dedication , a discipline  and set the bar of what could be done.

So beyond the actual tangible product and result , there was a soul, a spirit ,a work ethic, a talent, I admired all adding up to a supreme accomplishment. That's merit.   
And it's in every field ,   Golf - Tiger woods etc 

So It doesn't matter to me how amazing and how great A I creations are other than the technology they demonstrate  .  That is where they amaze and rightly so .   And that is the good news for us tried and true biological entities ,the human being,  because there is still something this tech cannot do and will never do. 
Will it be good at doing things wrong?

What makes a Van Gogh great is what's wrong with it. How it's not drawn or done well.  The oddities and struggles of individuals  put's their own signature to what they did.

I mentioned to my son while playing golf, soon you will be able to bring your A I golfer with you.  Smoke a cigar as it tees up the ball, choses a club and hits a perfect drive, chip and putt in under par.  On shorter holes, just ask it to hit a hole in one. It will comply.    Weee... what fun !!
What will be accomplished ?What will we all lose in the process ?  I guess it will be up to the individual , what they value , and time will tell for the collective
pd

[Bill Ryan]

Doug, do please please listen to this — at least maybe the first 5-10 minutes to see if this resonates with your highly creative spirit.

It's a deeply soulful, almost poetic recital of why humans, with all their faults and frailties, are ultimately irreplaceable by any machine.

:rose:

AI and the Termination of Human Purpose


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HLOVQpXXOs

[rgray222]

So many things are going to quickly change with AI; one of the first priorities of man will be to define ourselves as humans. AI will force humans to examine every aspect of human life. It will become essential to clarify what distinguishes human consciousness, creativity, and emotion. We will begin to understand that moral reasoning is critical to our survival. Altruism will become a necessary learned virtue We will quickly understand the difference between human intelligence and machine intelligence. It will act as a catalyst for human self-discovery; ultimately, it will force us to define purpose and meaning. Once that happens, the machines will only be tools to help accomplish our purpose.

[thepainterdoug]

Bill Im listening at 1.5 . I like his take and as far as I can see, from where we stand this sounds pretty
plausible. i can truly relate to the feeling of irrelevance. I feel this with my art, my music and so on.
Not that others should or would feel this, but i also have done away with any needs or desire for a mate, a gal , or even for love. I feel the game, the romantic game is at an end, being based on deception as I see it
( ,anyone want a full explanation?) let me know ? at least for me.
And its not because Im old and can't sexually function, its just that the paradigm doesnt work in this age for me , and I could really expand on this.

Back to the primary topic, no matter how advanced and what AI is introduced, you can still decide to sit on a porch and whittle a stick.And whittling a stick is already irrelevant So I feel he is referring to career and commerce for the most part.

There will always be a countermove to the present play on the chessboard. But this will need to play out for everyone .

[norman]

Doug, do please please listen to this — at least maybe the first 5-10 minutes to see if this resonates with your highly creative spirit.

It's a deeply soulful, almost poetic recital of why humans, with all their faults and frailties, are ultimately irreplaceable by any machine.

:rose:

AI and the Termination of Human Purpose


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HLOVQpXXOs



I've enjoyed a few of this guy's videos. He has an atheistic charm that almost convinces even myself that the intellect has 'got this', we don't need anything more. As such an observationally strong thinker he slowly sets up in me towards the end a growing disappointment that his reasoning completions never quite complete, like circles that don't quite complete. He fills in those gaps with romanticised functional melancholy enabling his wheels to roll through an engaging listen.

"Losing the narrative of being needed" is an obvious truism that sets up a fork in the road, at least.

Down one option we can have a marathon intellectual exchange about many things and even why the narrative of being needed has been such a deep rooted comfort zone at all. What's so great about being coldly needed by a whole system that regards you as an expendable resource ? . . . ."plug yourself in here, be useful, or F off and die". That kind of "needed" never hit my motivational spot, outside my Dad's expectations of me as a kid on the homestead/small farm.. Along those lines, I have many times, upon being told what someone does for a 'living' asked "is that a real job?".

Down the other option, I'll keep it short and just ask, how about "gaining the narrative of being loved ?".

By who?

I'll leave that to ponder.

[JackMcThorn]

Robert Frost — ‘No tears in the writer, no tears in the reader. No surprise in the writer, no surprise in the reader.’

Remember 'fads'? Like weird things that became ridiculously popular by the masses then fades into nothing [like in america in the 197o's everyone had to have a CB radio in their vehicle...]. I think AI will kind of burn out after a while. The cold, hard, reality of the machine will never resonate on a level that is derivative of human emotion - a connection that especially is inherently human.

Considering the few people I have seen using AI for small graphics or written paragraphs and none of us are actually 'impressed' or 'moved' so to speak. The offerings of creative endeavor from the machine are not exactly note-worthy with exception to the seconds or minutes by which the work is created. People will gravitate toward the human element and revel in its purity. They will seek out the real, human effort and shun the machine's works.

It's already happening. So I do not think there is anything to worry about. The human practiced talent will prevail, be sought after, and in some cases be paid well. Patience in creativity will return - the swift, half-hearted effort of AI will indeed be overlooked. AI will be re-purposed to win wars and make decisions on product placement in your local grocery store. But it's art will not grace your walls, nor its writings your shelves and therefore will not pay rent for part of your mind-space.

[AutumnW]

I've watched some of these videos. They're on the cruel side but very well done! They seem to capture humanity in some of its ugliness and imperfectness.


https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/sora-openai-fatphobia-videos

[Raskolnikov]

What  is it that we admire in each other?  Take music ?,  growing up in the 60ies,  It was Eric Clapton of Cream and a handful of others , Keith Emmerson of Emerson Lake and Palmer on keyboards and many others.It wasn't only the music, but it was that they did it. They played it!   
They accomplished a skill that was beyond everyone else.  Most couldn't play like that and it separated them from the average musician . It was a great feat!   I often cite the analogy of climbing Mt Everest.  A helicopter can get you up to the top, but the feat and accomplishment is climbing it.

The arts,  The great Hudson River painter, Albert Beirstadt , Fredrick Church creating such detail and luminosity.Go to sports, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, rocked the boxing world.   Wayne Gretsky  In Hockey, Pele in Soccer just to mention a few.  They led the way , inspired us all and showed a commitment level , a dedication , a discipline  and set the bar of what could be done.

So beyond the actual tangible product and result , there was a soul, a spirit ,a work ethic, a talent, I admired all adding up to a supreme accomplishment. That's merit.   
And it's in every field ,   Golf - Tiger woods etc 

So It doesn't matter to me how amazing and how great A I creations are other than the technology they demonstrate  .  That is where they amaze and rightly so .   And that is the good news for us tried and true biological entities ,the human being,  because there is still something this tech cannot do and will never do. 
Will it be good at doing things wrong?

What makes a Van Gogh great is what's wrong with it. How it's not drawn or done well.  The oddities and struggles of individuals  put's their own signature to what they did.

I mentioned to my son while playing golf, soon you will be able to bring your A I golfer with you.  Smoke a cigar as it tees up the ball, choses a club and hits a perfect drive, chip and putt in under par.  On shorter holes, just ask it to hit a hole in one. It will comply.    Weee... what fun !!
What will be accomplished ?What will we all lose in the process ?  I guess it will be up to the individual , what they value , and time will tell for the collective
pd

It’s an important observation, what it really means to be human in the coming AI world. The innate human drive to create, it’s predisposition to appreciate and be inspired by beauty, and it’s capacity for compassion and empathy for another living being will never be truly achieved by a machine that lacks human emotions. And I still have a question about how AI would ultimately become conscious unless some clandestine agency managed to etherically remove or energetically capture one’s own consciousness and implant it into AI. Seems far-fetched and yet computers have viruses. Crazy world. Maybe Elvis will be our AI overlord…

“Will it be good at doing things wrong”! Ha! The modern day human standard. We really do excel in that department but I think that’s a subject for the propaganda and clown world threads.

Great human feats and accomplishments, the human desire to create something beautiful combined with the competitive drive to make something new and original, born of yourself and all your sordid experiences, all those things you did wrong that helped you learn and become who you are today, I don’t see AI gaining such experience to achieve those truly inspired works.

Creation is the one thing that keeps me going today. Everything else is noise - I learned that from Sydney Sweeney! Even if it never makes money, the process and act of creating, in and of itself giving life purpose and meaning, is the human experience for me.

Btw, I love the bookends of Rgray222 and JackMcThorn’s posts, one pro, one not so, almost in a bored sort of way. And I agree with you both, they’re both excellent points of view. And I’m rooting for you both because they’re a million times better than the third option - AI Elvis, though we could use a little style and flair in the music department these days…

I’ll end with a quote from Bill’s excellent video contribution:

“Don’t let the machines turn you into a spectator. You’re a half-broken, hot mess of curiosity and potential. As Charles Bukowski once said, ‘Your life is your life, don’t let it be clubbed into dank submission.’”