The Muslim Problem

[Mike]

In light of this Bondi massacre in Australia, where 2 Muslim men killed at least 15 Jews at a Hanukkah event(one of them a Holocaust survivor), this thread seems long overdue.

The MSM narrative re this event is doing its best to avoid the real issue here (Islam) and instead is redirecting everyone to gun control narratives, or the Muslim hero who saved the day, or in the case of the alt media - false flags.

As Gad Saad points out in the video below, nothing ever done in the name of Islam that's bad is ever "true Islam" in the eyes of the MSM or anyone heavily invested in the Jews = bad/Muslims = good and noble narrative.

Even in this event, the Muslim hero who tackled the gunmen is "true Islam", not the 2 shooters. And to highlight this fact is "Islamophobic".

Other examples:
- ISIS is not true Islam

- Hamas is not true Islam

- the 48,000 terror attacks in 70 countries since 2011 are not true Islam

- the Islamic terror groups that make up the majority of all gov't terror group lists are not true Islam

- the several hundred thousand Brit white girls who were systematically gang raped by Pakistani Muslims over the past 30 years doesn't represent true Islam

- the slaughtering of 50,000-100,000 Christians in Nigeria by Muslims isn't true Islam

- 1400 years of subjugation, rape, and destruction of endless cultures is not true Islam

- Oct 7 is not true Islam

- the endless problems associated with the "soft" invasion of the west by Muslim immigration is not true Islam

etc etc etc

We in the west have been conditioned (brainwashed) to defend this culture that openly calls for our destruction. We have been programmed to walk like docile lambs to slaughter, only showing emotion occasionally to root for and defend our enemies...all so we can signal our virtue to the world and refrain from being "divisive".

Saad makes an interesting point: there are 2 billion Muslims in the world, which is roughly 1/4 of all humanity. If we very conservatively assume that 1% of Muslims are the jihadist murdering types, that's 20 million jihadist murdering types...which is about 5 million more people than all the Jews in existence. That's worth pondering a moment.

But this goes way beyond just Jews and extends to the entire west as a whole. And this is the crucial part: if we choose to remain willfully ignorant of what's right in front of our faces, the west will fall. And the world will be a very very dark place.

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[edina]

I once considered Islam as a "religion", in the way most people I know tend to consider religion. This was mostly back in my 20's, 30's and 40's. I've read many comparative religion books, and personally am extra-ordinarily tolerant of allowing people to approach their spiritual life in ways that are meaningful to them.

That said, I also had cultural experiences that even in my 20's raised red flags, especially about how women are treated in the Islamist cultures. For example, while in Basic Training (Air Force) we women were instructed to stay away from the Saudi dorms, because the Saudi raping women problem. When a female airman was deployed in the region they were instructed to never make eye contact with a man, to stand when a man entered the room, to wear the black veil when off base, and to always have a man travel with them for their own protection.

Obviously, as a woman, I would never want to be treated the way women are treated in those cultures. I wouldn't want daughters, sisters, or mothers, to be treated in those ways.

Later, as I became increasingly concerned with the behaviors happening within the Islamist cultures, I started looking a little more deeply into the religion. Gradually, I realized that the concept of separation of religion and state (politics) that is standard thinking here in the US, is not the case in Islamist cultures. Some people will describe it as political Islam to make this distinction. But that still gives an intellectual separation, that as far as I can tell, doesn't actually exist in the minds of the people of the Islamist cultures.

So, there's culture, there's religion, there's politics. There's historical context. And something that doesn't get mentioned much, the tribal nature of the jihadists cultures. The thinking of the peoples living in that way is very different than how westerners think.

Years ago, when Atticus was here as Charles. He mentioned often of how "they", meaning the people who he once worked for, wanted technological feudalism. Nowadays, you can hear Katherine Austin Fitts mention this, as well.

It's my opinion that Sharia Law is the means by which feudalism takes hold. To understand Islam, one must be willing to also give serious consideration to the role of the vision for a global Islam Caliphate drives many people within the culture and how the introduction of Sharia Law into communities plays into that.

There's a lot of moving parts to this.

I've been looking more closely at the information that Sarah Adams has been sharing in terms of the Homeland Terrorist plans, processing that more, and considering how I may want to act on that information. If I talk about that here in the forum it'll be in the Sarah Adams thread. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124008-Sarah-Adams-aka-Superbad-in-the-Shawn-Ryan-Show-Counterterriorism-Intel-Insights) More and more, I think it's important to learn how to think like the jihadists think.

I do think there is a distinction between a person of a western mindset who self-identifies as a muslim, and a person who self-identifies as jihadist.

One more aspect of this topic that I consider, is who is behind it all, the funding, the energetic impetus, I suspect there is more that doesn't get looked at while people are looking at the more surface level of concerns.

[shaberon]

And this is the crucial part: if we choose to remain willfully ignorant of what's right in front of our faces, the west will fall. And the world will be a very very dark place.


Why would a few dead Jews gain sympathy?

My initial response is to consider everything Abrahamic as a threat.

I don't consider myself part of a brainwashed "we" that is conditioned to anything.

Nor ignorant; Islam is the fastest growing religion, the other Abrahamists are not.

I don't really see it as "taking over" India or China, and my practices are spreading in Muslim-majority countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia. This may be a western survival problem rather than an existential Islamic one.

On the other hand, I'm sure I grew up amongst a "culture" that openly called for the destruction of, from what I recall, everything Communist and Islamic. They told me this many times. I've never actually heard something like "We could get rid of Brazil tomorrow", but everyone in the aforementioned places is to be nuked or otherwise wiped out.

I might agree there's a problem, a very contentious one that goes both ways. The political meaning of destruction as used by Iran is about regimes, not populations. The idea of people around the globe actually caring about what goes on in the North American continent is limited to that. The notion that a Pakistani jihadi camp -- of which there are several kinds -- marches in an annihilates Los Angeles or something, seems farfetched.


The house, Saudi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon%E2%80%93Hussein_correspondence), is itself the fact that originally, the Arabs understood they would keep Palestine from the former Ottoman Empire until:


Following the publication of the November 1917 Balfour Declaration (a letter written by British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild, a wealthy and prominent leader in the British Jewish community), which promised a national home for the Jews in Palestine, and the subsequent leaking of the secret 1916 Sykes–Picot Agreement in which Britain and France proposed to split and occupy parts of the territory, the Sharif and other Arab leaders considered the agreements made in the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence to have been violated. Hussein refused to ratify the 1919 Treaty of Versailles and, in response to a 1921 British proposal to sign a treaty accepting the Mandate system, stated that he could not be expected to "affix his name to a document assigning Palestine to the Zionists and Syria to foreigners". A further British attempt to reach a treaty failed in 1923–24, with negotiations suspended in March 1924; within six months, the British withdrew their support in favour of their central Arabian ally Ibn Saud, who proceeded to conquer Hussein's kingdom.


The Turks were happy because Kurds were denied a state.



Arabs saw it as the failure to keep a British promise in the McMahon–Hussein correspondence with Hussein bin Ali, King of Hejaz regarding a national Arab homeland in exchange for supporting the British against the Ottoman Empire. The British later claimed that Palestine was meant to be excluded from the area of Arab rule, as it is technically located west of Damascus: for obvious reasons the Zionists took the same position. The Arabs interpreted the letter as it reads: Lebanon, not Palestine, is to the west of Damascus and the other areas mentioned.


Bait and switch.

The Saudis are not a particularly good regime, and the Turkish culture is particularly warlike, having battled its way out of Central Asia from pre-Islamic times.

However I'm seeing a kind of Crusader mentality, and so far I've been told that "we" means people in an area. Therefor, I have difficulty seeing this in such a hermetically-sealed polarity, while it is very easy to understand the resentment generated from Sykes-Picot and the further machinations that my regime does.



Here is a perhaps surprising view of how other might see Muslims:

https://media.mehrnews.com/d/2025/10/26/3/5743027.jpg?ts=1761488143002



Baran Jani of Iran claimed a gold medal at the 2025 Asian Youth Games (AYG) on Sunday.

Jani edged Natthida Kanyaburi of Thailand 29-28 in the final of the Girls' -40Kg Combat Discipline 14-15, Tehran Times reported on Sunday.

The 3rd Asian Youth Games takes place in Bahrain from Oct. 22 to 31, according to Tehran Times.

The Games serve as qualifiers for the 2026 Youth Olympic Games in Dakar.

Iran has sent 236 athletes to the Games, the report added.


She beat a Thai girl at her own national pastime, Muay Thai.

Thailand is perhaps immune to threats against the west?

[DNA]

In order of severity in terms of problems...
Israel and it's confidants pose a much larger problem.

I don't even believe this shooting is organic.
Those in the circle of the know have been expecting a Jewish version victim tragedy fresh false flag for months now .

All your complaints about Islam...
Come from deep state placement of refugees into Western countries.
Be mad at the practitioners of Islam all you want.
It's the story of the scorpion and the frog.
The placement of pieces on the chess board is not organic.
One should correctly focus their ire in the direction of those who placed those pieces where they sit.

The beginning of the deep state goes back to 1914.
Now who would that be?

[lunaflare]

Well expressed, Mike. Thank you. The threats posed by radical Islam are brushed under the dirty rug. Charlie Kirk was one of the few voices highlighting the decline of the West due to radicalized Muslims. Pauline Hanson, an Australian Senator from the One Nation Party, has been talking about the dangers of mass immigration (and Muslims) for decades, emphasizing the idea of infiltration rather than assimilation. She has been ridiculed and slandered by the mainstream media for decades...

[Mike]

Why would a few dead Jews gain sympathy?

I've been misinformed I guess. I thought Buddhists were all about compassion and sh!t. Why wouldn't a few dead Jews (or anybody for that matter) gain sympathy after being murdered by a couple gun toting lunatics? If your answer is going to run for 20 paragraphs and begin with the phrase "Back in 17th century BCE..." don't bother lol. But if you have something reasonably succinct and human to offer, I'm all ears...though I can't imagine what that might be after reading that statement there.

It's a mistake to lump Islam with Judaism and Christianity. Yes they are all Abrahamic but only 2 of those religions are western (Christianity and Judaism). And only one is both political and proselytizing (Islam). Actually I would argue that Islam is every bit a political movement as it is a religion. Also, Christianity and Judaism exist in almost exclusively free and democratic countries, while Islam exists in exclusively authoritarian countries. That's not a coincidence. Apples and oranges.

You're right, Islam isn't taking over China or India. It's taking over the west first by design. Globalists will naturally begin by destroying countries that value their freedom and personal liberties; countries that have willfully forfeited their personal liberties have already done all their work for them.

Atm Islam is infecting the west thru ideological subversion, not jihadi attacks. But just wait. When the time is ripe, that'll come too.

[Mike]

In order of severity in terms of problems...
Israel and it's confidants pose a much larger problem.

I don't even believe this shooting is organic.
Those in the circle of the know have been expecting a Jewish version victim tragedy fresh false flag for months now .

All your complaints about Islam...
Come from deep state placement of refugees into Western countries.
Be mad at the practitioners of Islam all you want.
It's the story of the scorpion and the frog.
The placement of pieces on the chess board is not organic.
One should correctly focus their ire in the direction of those who placed those pieces where they sit.

The beginning of the deep state goes back to 1914.
Now who would that be?


Hey Marcus, You're right of course - it's definitely not organic. And yes, it's a deep state/globalist effort. But I just think there's far more utility in identifying the symptoms of the deep state than attempting to chase ghosts thru a labyrinth of hypotheticals. Who are the deep state exactly? Name them for me. Good luck with that :)

We may not know their names exactly but we can identify what they're doing and reverse engineer it. The placement of the pieces on the board is not organic, true, which is exactly why we need to identify the pieces and prevent them from flourishing.

This deluge of Muslim immigrants is the main weapon tearing down the west. No one should still be in denial about that.

The deep state has a million tentacles in a million different pies. Yes we know about Soros and Gates and all the 3 letter agencies, and the elements in the military and FBI/CIA and the WEF so on and so forth, but all these people/entities operate in the shadows. This Muslim problem is right out in the open.. and if it's not given the proper attention it will be our undoing.

[Mike]

Well expressed, Mike. Thank you. The threats posed by radical Islam are brushed under the dirty rug. Charlie Kirk was one of the few voices highlighting the decline of the West due to radicalized Muslims. Pauline Hanson, an Australian Senator from the One Nation Party, has been talking about the dangers of mass immigration (and Muslims) for decades, emphasizing the idea of infiltration rather than assimilation. She has been ridiculed and slandered by the mainstream media for decades...

Pauline Hansen - thanks for the name!

[Mike]

I once considered Islam as a "religion", in the way most people I know tend to consider religion. This was mostly back in my 20's, 30's and 40's. I've read many comparative religion books, and personally am extra-ordinarily tolerant of allowing people to approach their spiritual life in ways that are meaningful to them.

That said, I also had cultural experiences that even in my 20's raised red flags, especially about how women are treated in the Islamist cultures. For example, while in Basic Training (Air Force) we women were instructed to stay away from the Saudi dorms, because the Saudi raping women problem. When a female airman was deployed in the region they were instructed to never make eye contact with a man, to stand when a man entered the room, to wear the black veil when off base, and to always have a man travel with them for their own protection.

Obviously, as a woman, I would never want to be treated the way women are treated in those cultures. I wouldn't want daughters, sisters, or mothers, to be treated in those ways.

Later, as I became increasingly concerned with the behaviors happening within the Islamist cultures, I started looking a little more deeply into the religion. Gradually, I realized that the concept of separation of religion and state (politics) that is standard thinking here in the US, is not the case in Islamist cultures. Some people will describe it as political Islam to make this distinction. But that still gives an intellectual separation, that as far as I can tell, doesn't actually exist in the minds of the people of the Islamist cultures.

So, there's culture, there's religion, there's politics. There's historical context. And something that doesn't get mentioned much, the tribal nature of the jihadists cultures. The thinking of the peoples living in that way is very different than how westerners think.

Years ago, when Atticus was here as Charles. He mentioned often of how "they", meaning the people who he once worked for, wanted technological feudalism. Nowadays, you can hear Katherine Austin Fitts mention this, as well.

It's my opinion that Sharia Law is the means by which feudalism takes hold. To understand Islam, one must be willing to also give serious consideration to the role of the vision for a global Islam Caliphate drives many people within the culture and how the introduction of Sharia Law into communities plays into that.

There's a lot of moving parts to this.

I've been looking more closely at the information that Sarah Adams has been sharing in terms of the Homeland Terrorist plans, processing that more, and considering how I may want to act on that information. If I talk about that here in the forum it'll be in the Sarah Adams thread. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?124008-Sarah-Adams-aka-Superbad-in-the-Shawn-Ryan-Show-Counterterriorism-Intel-Insights) More and more, I think it's important to learn how to think like the jihadists think.

I do think there is a distinction between a person of a western mindset who self-identifies as a muslim, and a person who self-identifies as jihadist.

One more aspect of this topic that I consider, is who is behind it all, the funding, the energetic impetus, I suspect there is more that doesn't get looked at while people are looking at the more surface level of concerns.


That's all beautifully articulated Edina.

I was thinking about the 'moral relativity' thread as I read along, and all the people who make excuses for cultural abominations er "differences" using cultural relativism as an excuse.

Everyone can agree that rape is evil. And any culture/religion that has normalized it should be kept at a great distance, and be monitored closely (and not brought in in great numbers to countries with an entirely different value set)

[Ernie Nemeth]

More and more, the underlying vehemence is percolating to the surface.

These are our countries, and that's okay. It is the okay part that we have forgotten.

And we forget why we needed borders around us in the first place. It is for protection, both for life and for our culture. That is also very right and completely okay as well.


Here's the catch. There will never be a one world government on this planet so long as we are forced into it because we are not of one tribe or belief and so the assimilation of our world must be organic and desired by a vast majority. As has been pointed out, that is not what is happening in today's world. If this is forced on us it can only go one way, toward a dictatorial regime within a surveillance state.

Our mistake, here in the west, is that we thought freedom of religion is not a threat to our "very free" way of life. But, of course, our entire society has been built upon the tenets of Christianity and a disruption to the fundamentals of our culture has caused an existential, but nonetheless very real, crisis. The allure of a secular society has eroded our principles and we find ourselves swirling around the drain of "mediocrity" in the name of universal equity and inclusion.

We are lost in our Liberalism, unable to find our equilibrium or our equanimity.
And we have been led astray by our own hubris.

Like the trans movement has shown us, it's okay to be different.
Same goes for the west as a whole - we are allowed to decide who can stay and who must leave.
It's okay.
Be proud.
Be principled.
'Cause if we don't, we will cease "to be" at all.

[edina]

Years ago, when Atticus was here as Charles. He mentioned often of how "they", meaning the people who he once worked for, wanted technological feudalism. Nowadays, you can hear Katherine Austin Fitts mention this, as well.

It's my opinion that Sharia Law is the means by which feudalism takes hold. To understand Islam, one must be willing to also give serious consideration to the role of the vision for a global Islam Caliphate drives many people within the culture and how the introduction of Sharia Law into communities plays into that.

In thinking about what I wrote here, the bolded bit above, I'd like to self-correct a bit, or maybe clarify. In terms of who "they" were, that wanted "technological fiefdom, or feudalism". It may not have been the people Stephen/Atticus/Charles was associated with, but rather, descendants of a lineage that the people he was associated with may have been trying to counterbalance. Is that an accurate term? Counterbalance.

I remember as a kid, a young adult, and even now, in my sixties, feeling frustrated with the use of the word "they" when it wasn't clear who "they" were being referred to.

Anyway, someone of some faction, operating at levels we can hardly imagine, seemed to have a keen interest in this outcome.

When Sarah Adams talks about the Homeland Terrorist plot, she sometimes mentions some elements of this have been in planning since the 90's. I think this can be a bit surprising to people.

Later, in the Sarah Adams thread, I will share the intro to one of the books I'm reading by Jesse Petrilla, "If It Takes A Thousand Years (https://www.amazon.com/If-Takes-Thousand-Years-Jihadists/dp/B0DHDBV35F)". There is a patient, long-term planning involved in this vision for a global Islam Caliphate. It could come from the sense of time, or rather timelessness, as described in the book, or from an entity, group, or force that has a long view of time?

This is probably off-topic, but I wanted to clarify my meaning.

[Agape]

There's one item in the lexicon of messed phraseology of today's politicians that should be acknowledged and straightened once for all,
so called "anti-semitism" includes all people of "dessert ancestry" , that is both Jews, Arabs, Assyrians, Babylonians, Jordans, Yemenis, and so forth so "the problem" they're facing is the same.

It's not a "religious problem" as many today's western scholars claim and it's never been a religious problem.

The teachings of "Old Testament" ( known as Pentateuch , dating back to Moses and "beginning of race" called Adamites ) and teachings of Koran and Prophet Muhamad who clearly stated he is the "last prophet"( in the transmission line dating to Abraham/Ibrahim ) are the SAME.

Teachings of Christ who is considered "one of the prophets" in line, preceding Muhammad are consistent with teachings of Quran.

All 3 religions are monotheistic and egalitarian in their origin.

False information regarding the teachings of Quran while very few people ever cared to read the Book is fed to the semi-literate populace out there who could not be so "tortured"
in order to read "the Book" as a whole ,
with meaning.

This concerns most scriptures available , prevalent, commonly accepted as "source of religious law" in the world,
including the Bible ( both Old and the New Testament) , the Quran , the Vedas ( extremely extensive collection of scriptures ) and the Tripitaka ( Buddhist Cannon - extremely extensive ) ,

very few people has bothered self with reading it from the beginning to the end.

Most people instead call themselves "just a sheepling" who needs "to be read into faith", provided guidance by pastor or pastoral lineage who could read - long ago - and some chewed through most of it, some memorized the "whole book" ,
while some used simple, naive scriptural quotes to manipulated human society and DISCOURAGED generations of humans from study especially self study ,
( psychological terror imposed on most religious folks on earth by their own leaders ordering them "not to read the scripture" alone because "they won't understand" )

much of "the problem" can be dissolved once they allow people to their Books,
men and women .

Most "religions" practice gender prejudice and discrimination towards women ,
with exception of few ,

Orthodox Jewish communities , Orthodox Christians and Orthodox Muslims practice very similarly ,
they're extremely protective of their women" and their "families"
which makes them apart from "everyone else".

But once innocent lives have been taken there is no "religion" in sight in my opinion,
such as in Israel recruiting or trying to recruit Yeshiva students straight from school and order them "to participate in the war" despite their entirely peaceful and dedicated predicament ,

such as any act of terrorism against others based on their "ethnicity", presumed or confirmed genealogy , the old smelly ... racism ... whomever it concerns,

"the less advanced people"?

"The 3rd world country people" who don't look right 👍 People "in robes". People "in colorful robes" , "talking in tongues".


For any truly educated spiritually connected entity even if not overly "religious by participation" the whole discussion "stops yielding" any intelligence hence on.

Of "Chosen People" , the "righteous" and so forth ... it all,
above and below is advanced metaphor that the human collective just started to read into.

It may surely take another thousand years and I'm not joking before they read it all well.


Their "anti-semitism" is just another misterm for "homophobia" , especially "white homophobia against everyone else not looking the same "brainwashed" as "we are"".

The Neo-Nazi "white brotherhood" hates all of us equally ,
they're just playing with terms in order to help people unravel their presumed characteristics and literally take it on each other.

The "white brotherhood" in self-defence distributing "awards" of "pride and prejudice" to the tribes they have visited , in search of ancestral super race ,
fueling eternal racial war.

May Peace Prevail

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Just started watching...

[DNA]

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Yep!

[Rizotto]

- Look up "Solving 9/11" by Christopher Bollyn

- Epstein's trafficked american kids to blackmail powerful men on behalf of Israel.

- ISIS Is a US-Israeli Creation. Top Ten “Indications” - https://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-is-a-us-israeli-creation-top-ten-indications/5518627

[s7e6e]

Although I do not encourage war, I understand it. Men against men, fighting for what they stand for, even if the reasons get distorted in time.
But shooting innocent people, is despicable. And that's what happens when we import terrorists and allow these animals to thrive.

[Agape]

For sure , some people can hold themselves better than other people. These days both men n women serve in army and perform with excellence.

The purpose of fight is not "to fight" but to eliminate the source of danger.

Untill we learn the logic of positive manifestation , the logic of happiness ,
we - concerns multitudes - will be just drones , slaves to somebody , victims .

The Ocean of human suffering, as I've seen even through last decades of life is bottomless .

Priests and teachers of every faith should actively try to reach over to each other and work together for Salvation of Humanity instead playing "it's only about us" game and "my views and my language are so much more evolved , more ancient ,etc.".

They should actively try and follow the Enlightened Examples Among Them who held the highest regards of both the Truth and the People,
were loved and respected by people of all faiths equally.

Who on Earth will make this Step for you , for Humanity,

"the man on the Moon?"

"The agnostic crowd who has abandoned God for Image of a Human hanging on the wall,
his or her "young God" ,
hanging on cross ,
I take you down Jesus.



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I am so sorry.

[rgray222]

There is something uniquely problematic with the muslims; they have developed a pattern of terrorism unparalleled in modern times. Groups claiming to represent Islamic values have been responsible for the most terrorist attacks in the past 40 years, not only in the Middle East but globally. There is no denying that Islamic religious extremism has become the dominant form of terrorism worldwide. Couple that fact with poorly thought-out muslim immigration in both Europe and the USA, and you end up with fatal consequences.

To make matters worse, Muslims are generally the least likely to assimilate into the host country. They actively attempt to influence and radically change the cultural and social values of their new countries. There have been cases where they have successfully introduced aspects of Sharia law in countries like the UK and Canada. If immigrants are unwilling to abide by the laws of the host country, they should not be accepted as immigrants in the first place.

Many people do not recognize the issues related to Muslim terrorism and immigration as the greatest challenge facing the West. Some mistakenly believe that Israel is the primary problem. They feel they can overlook concerns about Muslims, believing they are fighting the same enemy. This misconception causes them to ignore the larger Muslim terrorism and immigration issues. Even if Israel were to be dissolved as a country, the problems caused by Muslim terrorism and immigration would not disappear; in fact, it would become even more severe.

To understand the problem, people in the West need to overcome their fear of being labelled racist or Islamophobic by simply speaking the truth. By the time people get over their unfounded fears and anxieties, they will find out that their countries have changed to the point that they no longer represent the same strong family, religious or cultural values that they so loved in the first place.

[Losus4]

Nature has a way of correcting itself. When a people or nation become weak (as white/Europeans have across the globe due to feminisation) a challenge or existential threat will arise to try to correct that imbalance. Since Europeans have lost the will and ability to fight, nature has engineered circumstances that will force us to learn to fight again. That threat is multiculturalism. We are being tested. We fight or we become extinct. It's that simple. All species must maintain an ability to fight for its own survival. If it loses that instinct then nature neither wants nor needs that species. Europeans have made the mistake of believing that being civilised is to be "above" fighting; that fighting is what primitive people do. Mistaking weakness for being enlightened is the crux of our problem. The best thing we as individuals can do is work daily to improve our health and fitness. A warrior's body is a warrior's mind.

[Mike]

Nature has a way of correcting itself. When a people or nation become weak (as white/Europeans have across the globe due to feminisation) a challenge or existential threat will arise to try to correct that imbalance. Since Europeans have lost the will and ability to fight, nature has engineered circumstances that will force us to learn to fight again. That threat is multiculturalism. We are being tested. We fight or we become extinct. It's that simple. All species must maintain an ability to fight for its own survival. If it loses that instinct then nature neither wants nor needs that species. Europeans have made the mistake of believing that being civilised is to be "above" fighting; that fighting is what primitive people do. Mistaking weakness for being enlightened is the crux of our problem. The best thing we as individuals can do is work daily to improve our health and fitness. A warrior's body is a warrior's mind.


That was f'in perfect Losus4. Thanks for that.

One spiritual attribute we all tend to neglect is an ability to fight. An unwillingness to fight is often mistaken for some kind of advanced mentality but it's usually just apathy at best and cowardice at worst.

I think even God himself will lose respect for you if you're unwilling to defend yourself when blatantly attacked. Fighting is every bit a spiritual act when justified as feeding the homeless, or comforting someone after the loss of a loved one.

Spiritual people must be warriors, and if you're sitting at home and doing nothing about the invasion of your country, all while convincing yourself it's the right thing to do, you deserve to lose it.

In the immortal words of President Trump after he was shot, "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!"

[edina]

Speaking of fighting, here's a speech by a Swedish parlementarian, Denice Westerberg. It's in Swedish, which I find fascinating to listen to, with English subtitles.

‘Islam Has No Place in Sweden’: Denice Westerberg Issues Historic Call to End Migration and Dismantle Extremist Mosques (https://rairfoundation.com/islam-has-no-place-sweden-denice-westerberg-issues/)

You'll have to go to the actual site to watch the video of her speech. I tried to find the rumble video used in the article to link it directly here, but couldn't. I could link the youtube version but it doesn't have english subtitles.

short snippet of the article:



In one of the most consequential speeches in modern Swedish politics, Denice Westerberg exposed how mass migration and Islamism devastated Sweden and vowed that a new generation of Swedes will take their country back.

At the Sweden Democrats’ 2025 Landsdagarna convention, rising party star and parliamentary candidate Denice Westerberg delivered what may become one of the most consequential speeches in the modern political history of Sweden. Before an audience of party delegates, activists, and young voters, Westerberg laid out a sober, unflinching account of how the nation that was once considered Europe’s safest and most socially cohesive has become a global warning story.

Her address was not cautious. It was not softened by the usual political euphemisms. Instead, Westerberg spoke with a clarity that has been absent from Swedish politics for a generation. She confronted the consequences of mass migration, social fragmentation, failing security, and the spread of militant Islam at a time when establishment parties still struggle to acknowledge the scale of the crisis.

What happened to Sweden. What allowed one of the most admired nations on earth to fall into chaos. And who will lead the fight to take it back. These were the questions she placed before the country.

It's curious to watch how different outlets cover this speech, the way it gets framed from various biases. Regardless, she's from a generation that feels the effects of previous generations decisions.

I don't think this is a western problem, I think it's global. The people engaged in jihadi actions, soft and hard, seek a global Islam Caliphate. They say this all the time, if people will listen.

In my previous post I used the word "Western" because I was thinking of Gad Saad's video in the OP and the Muslim Brotherhood quote:


1. We will conquer the West through the womb of our women.
2. We will conquer the West through Hijra. Hijra is immigration.
3. And then number three, we will conquer the West by using your miserable freedoms against you.

There have been terrorist attacks in India (remember Mumbai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks)), Pakistan, Thailand, Indonesia, China, Russia, several stans, of course all across Europe and growing, Australia, Africa, and including the recent activity in Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan.

As Ernie says, it's reasonable to question what's going on, and also reasonable to take our countries and cultures back, to fight for our values, as Mike says.

[rgray222]

Nature has a way of correcting itself. When a people or nation become weak (as white/Europeans have across the globe due to feminisation) a challenge or existential threat will arise to try to correct that imbalance. Since Europeans have lost the will and ability to fight, nature has engineered circumstances that will force us to learn to fight again. That threat is multiculturalism. We are being tested. We fight or we become extinct. It's that simple. All species must maintain an ability to fight for its own survival. If it loses that instinct then nature neither wants nor needs that species. Europeans have made the mistake of believing that being civilised is to be "above" fighting; that fighting is what primitive people do. Mistaking weakness for being enlightened is the crux of our problem. The best thing we as individuals can do is work daily to improve our health and fitness. A warrior's body is a warrior's mind.

I agree with everything you have said, but at some point, man must transcend the destructive cycle of war and embrace the virtues of compassion, wisdom and altruism. If we fail to recognize the importance of these virtues and continue down a path of aggression, war, conflict and self-interest, our inability to evolve morally and intellectually will lead to our self-destruction. At some point (much closer than we think), we are going to have to show our strength and have the courage to make the right choice.

[SilentFeathers]

AUSTRALIANS, Your problem isn’t the firearms. I promise.

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/2000635223709761945

We seriously are in big trouble, the attacks have started and will only escalate and get worse. It's in their Holy Book and they believe they are justified in slaughtering all non Muslims.

For non Muslims it is beyond the point of wishful thinking and pretending that they do not want you dead. Even most of the Muslims that do not engage in violence and murder will celebrate the deaths of any non Muslim or infidel. The jihadist martyr becomes a hero and praised for the cold blooded murder(s).

What makes Muslims even more dangerous and deadly, is when the demonic Globalists use them as a weapon and transport them by the 100's of thousands or millions to non Muslim western nations, and populate them right in the middle of the people that they despise, hate, and want to kill.

In the eyes of many (most) Muslims, non Muslims are less than human and don't deserve to exist.

What has happened, in especially the last decade is not a migration or immigration problem, it is an invasion problem, by design. Those that orchestrated this "act of war" knew damn well that the Muslim culture will not assimilate in these western nations and only chaos and death would come of it. It's a recipe for disaster, and will become a catastrophe likely beyond imagination.

It's past the point of no return in my opinion and it's only a matter of time before it becomes rather catastrophic. Humanity has reached a tipping point.

[AutumnW]

All extremists within Abrahamic religions are nuts and most use their extremism to grab power. They're psychopaths, often enough.

All of them focus on the evil of other religions and cultures, ignorant of or unbothered by their own brands of evil.

Unifying church and state isn't a good idea in Arab countries and a terrible idea for the US.

Some think heavy handed Christianity is a good antidote to "woke culture" But it would be much better to replace woke, if it's not appreciated, with something better, not equally or more problematic.

As far as treatment of women, Muslims need to *vastly* improve, as well as those, like the Jewish rabbi who owns PornHub, (who takes advantage of desperate women to churn out violent porn)

If it was up to me, I'd trash most holy books and force evangelical Christians to actually follow the lessons of Christ, pray in the privacy of their own homes, and stfu about Jesus, everywhere else. That goes equally for Muslims and Jews.

I'm f'g sick of it.

Mike, you professed no sympathy or empathy for thousands upon thousands of innocent Gazan Muslims, killed by Israel yet get on Shaberon's case for not expressing sympathy for 15 (Zionist) Jews killed on a beach.

Interesting to me that one of your concerns is how the men treat women in Muslim culture, yet you were okay with Israel murdering thousands of them.

[AutumnW]

Although I do not encourage war, I understand it. Men against men, fighting for what they stand for, even if the reasons get distorted in time.
But shooting innocent people, is despicable. And that's what happens when we import terrorists and allow these animals to thrive.

So is dropping bombs on them. Kills many more.

[Mike]

All extremists within Abrahamic religions are nuts and most use their extremism to grab power. They're psychopaths, often enough.

All of them focus on the evil of other religions and cultures, ignorant of or unbothered by their own brands of evil.

Unifying church and state isn't a good idea in Arab countries and a terrible idea for the US.

Some think heavy handed Christianity is a good antidote to "woke culture" But it would be much better to replace woke, if it's not appreciated, with something better, not equally or more problematic.

As far as treatment of women, Muslims need to *vastly* improve, as well as those, like the Jewish rabbi who owns PornHub, (who takes advantage of desperate women to churn out violent porn)

If it was up to me, I'd trash most holy books and force evangelical Christians to actually follow the lessons of Christ, pray in the privacy of their own homes, and stfu about Jesus, everywhere else. That goes equally for Muslims and Jews.

I'm f'g sick of it.

Mike, you professed no sympathy or empathy for thousands upon thousands of innocent Gazan Muslims, killed by Israel yet get on Shaberon's case for not expressing sympathy for 15 (Zionist) Jews killed on a beach.

Interesting to me that one of your concerns is how the men treat women in Muslim culture, yet you were okay with Israel murdering thousands of them.


Jess I have plenty of sympathy for anyone killed anywhere, including Gazans.

What I don't care about and refuse to emotionally invest in is the conflict itself, which is for one tiny slice of land in the middle of nowhere, and which has been in dispute for ages and hasn't shown any signs of resolving itself.

I was also highlighting (in the post you're referring to) the hypocrisy of everyone obsessing over this one conflict while ignoring most of the other tragedy going on in the world, all while congratulating themselves on their virtue and wagging a finger at anyone else who refused to join this little charade, which is what Dennis was doing. I found and still find all the alleged "compassion" for Gazans to be quite suspect.

I was led to believe the interest in Gaza was sincere and heartfelt, not politically motivated, not the result of an obsessive news cycle, and not the result of a parasetized populace conditioned to value virtue signaling above all else. We're just good caring people, right? Well I've started a thread recently about the Muslim slaughter of Christians in Nigeria, and I've yet to see you or anyone else express all that sincere heartfelt compassion for anyone there. Nor the white farmers in South Africa getting systematically killed. Why??

The entire point of the post you're referring to (in Dennis' thread) is not to withhold sympathy and compassion, but to offer it to the people closest to you first and foremost, and then your immediate community, then your country, and if there's anything left perhaps then you could extend it further. I was making the point that emotion and energy are the same thing, and you have to use it judiciously.

I'm of the opinion that people often deliberately obsess over global conflicts they can do nothing about rather than the things they can do something about because the things they can do something about would actually require them to act in the real world. Writing endless maudlin posts about Gaza is a far more romantic and public display of virtue, and why physically work for those pats on the head when you can just write a social media post or two and be applauded by hundreds or thousands of anonymous twitter handles?

Your comment about the murdered Jews in Australia is demented. I knew Shaberon was cracked, but I didn't think you'd go that low.

You are in a state of profound denial about the Muslim problem. I don't even know where to begin to respond to the rest of your post.

[Losus4]

Nature has a way of correcting itself. When a people or nation become weak (as white/Europeans have across the globe due to feminisation) a challenge or existential threat will arise to try to correct that imbalance. Since Europeans have lost the will and ability to fight, nature has engineered circumstances that will force us to learn to fight again. That threat is multiculturalism. We are being tested. We fight or we become extinct. It's that simple. All species must maintain an ability to fight for its own survival. If it loses that instinct then nature neither wants nor needs that species. Europeans have made the mistake of believing that being civilised is to be "above" fighting; that fighting is what primitive people do. Mistaking weakness for being enlightened is the crux of our problem. The best thing we as individuals can do is work daily to improve our health and fitness. A warrior's body is a warrior's mind.


That was f'in perfect Losus4. Thanks for that.

One spiritual attribute we all tend to neglect is an ability to fight. An unwillingness to fight is often mistaken for some kind of advanced mentality but it's usually just apathy at best and cowardice at worst.

I think even God himself will lose respect for you if you're unwilling to defend yourself when blatantly attacked. Fighting is every bit a spiritual act when justified as feeding the homeless, or comforting someone after the loss of a loved one.

Spiritual people must be warriors, and if you're sitting at home and doing nothing about the invasion of your country, all while convincing yourself it's the right thing to do, you deserve to lose it.

In the immortal words of President Trump after he was shot, "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!"

Every word true Mike. Fighting is not the actions of the primitive but something noble and essential. Lose the will to fight (whether physically or culturally) and you will be purged from the gene pool, and as you say, will deserve it.

[Losus4]

Nature has a way of correcting itself. When a people or nation become weak (as white/Europeans have across the globe due to feminisation) a challenge or existential threat will arise to try to correct that imbalance. Since Europeans have lost the will and ability to fight, nature has engineered circumstances that will force us to learn to fight again. That threat is multiculturalism. We are being tested. We fight or we become extinct. It's that simple. All species must maintain an ability to fight for its own survival. If it loses that instinct then nature neither wants nor needs that species. Europeans have made the mistake of believing that being civilised is to be "above" fighting; that fighting is what primitive people do. Mistaking weakness for being enlightened is the crux of our problem. The best thing we as individuals can do is work daily to improve our health and fitness. A warrior's body is a warrior's mind.

I agree with everything you have said, but at some point, man must transcend the destructive cycle of war and embrace the virtues of compassion, wisdom and altruism. If we fail to recognize the importance of these virtues and continue down a path of aggression, war, conflict and self-interest, our inability to evolve morally and intellectually will lead to our self-destruction. At some point (much closer than we think), we are going to have to show our strength and have the courage to make the right choice.

All of that is possible without losing the will to fight if and when the need arises. Shaolin monks posses those qualities but are not savages. It's about keeping the Yin/Yang in balance. The job of the Yang is to expand, repel, ward off... i.e fight. The West's problem is that it has become 100% Yin-polarised due to feminism and its demonisation of the masculine. I explain this in full in chapter "The War on Masculinity" in my book linked in sig,

[shaberon]

It's a mistake to lump Islam with Judaism and Christianity. Yes they are all Abrahamic but only 2 of those religions are western (Christianity and Judaism). And only one is both political and proselytizing (Islam). Actually I would argue that Islam is every bit a political movement as it is a religion. Also, Christianity and Judaism exist in almost exclusively free and democratic countries, while Islam exists in exclusively authoritarian countries. That's not a coincidence. Apples and oranges.


Palestine is in the west?

Arabia is more or less south of Palestine, not really east of it.


Islam may be a social reform or resistance against Judaic Kings. That is likely. The mission of Christianity is to eliminate Judaism by ideological subversion. Islam may have in mind proselytizing "pagan tribes" rather than Jews.

Monarchist parties in Germany tend to use the title Christian. All three of these religions are open to converts. I don't sense the accuracy of the labels.




You're right, Islam isn't taking over China or India. It's taking over the west first by design. Globalists will naturally begin by destroying countries that value their freedom and personal liberties; countries that have willfully forfeited their personal liberties have already done all their work for them.


Islam already took over India. I consider myself as involved with re-construction from devastation inflicted in the 1,200s. Curiously, the aggressor was not referred to by religion but as Turks. But, yes, it was Islamic Caliphate for a few centuries. Apparently you can get over that. Now we have British-drawn lines to ratchet the tension.





Atm Islam is infecting the west thru ideological subversion, not jihadi attacks. But just wait. When the time is ripe, that'll come too.


After doing whatever one wishes with places like Iraq and Afghanistan, what do you expect?


It's a known risk for Netanyahu to produce the most hated regime in the world because the Diaspora is vulnerable even in the irrational sense, if it is lone gunmen targeting Jews just by association. He knows this. He takes the risk. I'm not aware of that many "pogrom" style attacks in recent years until the past two, which, already happened one time in Australia and Iran was blamed with no evidence and the story disappeared.

This last one happened and I posted something intended to prevent spin one way or the other, and then I see over here this wall of polarity.


Here's the receiving end in Lebanon (https://english.almanar.com.lb/article/1821/):


Narratives, Incidents, and the Expansion of Justification

Military pressure is reinforced by narrative pressure. Incidents far from the region, such as the attack in Sydney, are rapidly absorbed into a global discourse that conflates resistance, regional actors, and acts of violence under the banner of extremism and antisemitism.

This framing serves a strategic purpose. It widens the space for preemptive action and dulls sensitivity to violations of sovereignty. When Lebanon or Syria is framed as part of a global threat continuum, escalation becomes easier to justify, and resistance becomes harder to defend politically.

The result is a steady erosion of legitimacy-not through direct confrontation, but through narrative conditioning.


Some Lebanese person is far more likely to pay the price of these mere ideas and this has already been happening for a long time. While I think it is unfortunate that a few more civilians have been murdered as some by-product of bad ideas, that sympathy does not take the form of divisiveness. When an incident happens, I try to wait for the dust to settle to try to find what objectively happened, none of which has been posted. There seems to be a mission based from a statement about Muslim perpetrators.

Western countries have a lot of mostly self-created problems.

As a person who doesn't perceive an Islamic threat, or, much of any threat except the "creation" that goes on by our system, I'm trying to see why this labeling thing would work. These are complex issues that involve all sorts of funded organizations and individuals acting under their own devices. We have a reflection of what certain authorities once called:


The Jewish Problem


I don't think we're supposed to label a "type of person" as a thing to be "othered".

You can do it to a type of mentality, such as Zionism, which is optional or a decision, and similarly a "Caliphate" by some armed gang is opposable. It's a radical statement to bring in something like, oppose or contain Muslim people, and since I do not have this conclusion, it's an opportunity to explain it better. How do you get the swing vote, so to speak.

[Rizotto]

One major clue of false flag is that Netanyahu is trying to claim that Iran is behind the Bondi massacre, although the perpetrators were identified as ISIS supporters.
Fact is, Iran is a mortal enemy of ISIS. The creator of ISIS is the CIA-Israel axis of terrorism. In fact, Israel provided material support to ISIS during the Syria conflict.

Here’s How You Know Australian Mass Shooting Was A FALSE FLAG!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teqZo30kvLI

[Agape]

AUSTRALIANS, Your problem isn’t the firearms. I promise.

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/2000635223709761945

We seriously are in big trouble, the attacks have started and will only escalate and get worse. It's in their Holy Book and they believe they are justified in slaughtering all non Muslims.

For non Muslims it is beyond the point of wishful thinking and pretending that they do not want you dead. Even most of the Muslims that do not engage in violence and murder will celebrate the deaths of any non Muslim or infidel. The jihadist martyr becomes a hero and praised for the cold blooded murder(s).

What makes Muslims even more dangerous and deadly, is when the demonic Globalists use them as a weapon and transport them by the 100's of thousands or millions to non Muslim western nations, and populate them right in the middle of the people that they despise, hate, and want to kill.

In the eyes of many (most) Muslims, non Muslims are less than human and don't deserve to exist.

What has happened, in especially the last decade is not a migration or immigration problem, it is an invasion problem, by design. Those that orchestrated this "act of war" knew damn well that the Muslim culture will not assimilate in these western nations and only chaos and death would come of it. It's a recipe for disaster, and will become a catastrophe likely beyond imagination.

It's past the point of no return in my opinion and it's only a matter of time before it becomes rather catastrophic. Humanity has reached a tipping point.


Silent Feathers, I can assure you , "they don't". What you have summed above sounds pretty much the same like the Panflet passed through intellectuals 100 years ago called " the Protocols of Elders of Zion" that alleged EXACTLY the same thing about the Jewish people.

It too was a part of what we call now "psy-ops" and obviously influenced intellectual elite in Europe, their wives, colleagues and friends that "those people" are dirty ( who knows what they eat), look at the rest of humans as goyim , the lower animal like humans incapable of higher spiritual insight who are better to serve them , especially on Shabbat days.

Compared to orthodox Jewish religiosity , most Muslim people I know treat all their friends equally well , regardless their origin or faith, they mostly qualify self as "mumins" , "the good people" , not "people of God", or "Angels in disguise" like many cultures and sects do,
but say their objective is simple as being good human being while here.

Most want to live in peace and do not support terrorism.


To sum this well , we don't know who programs these vulnerable individuals worldwide including children, university students, teachers and so forth to change their mind over fortnight and unemotionally eliminate or try to, lots of other people.

Someone obviously planned them to do so,
on this specific place and ocassion and someone has got to pay for it ,
with their lives.

So eventually this global mafia has to be stopped not encouraged.



⛄

[Rizotto]

There is a viral internet meme these days, it goes along the line of 'The zionists' most successful strategy was to convince many in the west that arabs or muslims are violent extremists to be feared and mistrusted'.

Here's a very interesting analysis of how and why this psyop was instigated.


"Professor Jiang Xueqin examines the Bondi Beach event through the lenses of game theory, media dynamics, state behavior, and historical precedent. Rather than focusing on individual guilt or surface-level outrage, this analysis asks a more difficult question:
Why did this event unfold the way it did — and who benefits from how it is being framed?"
Who is behind The Bondi Beach Tragedy and Why It Happened | Prof Jiang Xueqin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke0nsy70khE

[norman]

Years ago, when Atticus was here as Charles. He mentioned often of how "they", meaning the people who he once worked for, wanted technological feudalism. Nowadays, you can hear Katherine Austin Fitts mention this, as well.

It's my opinion that Sharia Law is the means by which feudalism takes hold. To understand Islam, one must be willing to also give serious consideration to the role of the vision for a global Islam Caliphate drives many people within the culture and how the introduction of Sharia Law into communities plays into that.

In thinking about what I wrote here, the bolded bit above, I'd like to self-correct a bit, or maybe clarify. In terms of who "they" were, that wanted "technological fiefdom, or feudalism". It may not have been the people Stephen/Atticus/Charles was associated with, but rather, descendants of a lineage that the people he was associated with may have been trying to counterbalance. Is that an accurate term? Counterbalance.

I remember as a kid, a young adult, and even now, in my sixties, feeling frustrated with the use of the word "they" when it wasn't clear who "they" were being referred to.

Anyway, someone of some faction, operating at levels we can hardly imagine, seemed to have a keen interest in this outcome.

When Sarah Adams talks about the Homeland Terrorist plot, she sometimes mentions some elements of this have been in planning since the 90's. I think this can be a bit surprising to people.

Later, in the Sarah Adams thread, I will share the intro to one of the books I'm reading by Jesse Petrilla, "If It Takes A Thousand Years (https://www.amazon.com/If-Takes-Thousand-Years-Jihadists/dp/B0DHDBV35F)". There is a patient, long-term planning involved in this vision for a global Islam Caliphate. It could come from the sense of time, or rather timelessness, as described in the book, or from an entity, group, or force that has a long view of time?

This is probably off-topic, but I wanted to clarify my meaning.



Looks like Lara Logan agrees with you, and she should know.


xk5y2NjjTiU


You can't integrate that. Wherever that turns up, it's an invasion and nothing more or less.

[rgray222]

Nature has a way of correcting itself. When a people or nation become weak (as white/Europeans have across the globe due to feminisation) a challenge or existential threat will arise to try to correct that imbalance. Since Europeans have lost the will and ability to fight, nature has engineered circumstances that will force us to learn to fight again. That threat is multiculturalism. We are being tested. We fight or we become extinct. It's that simple. All species must maintain an ability to fight for its own survival. If it loses that instinct then nature neither wants nor needs that species. Europeans have made the mistake of believing that being civilised is to be "above" fighting; that fighting is what primitive people do. Mistaking weakness for being enlightened is the crux of our problem. The best thing we as individuals can do is work daily to improve our health and fitness. A warrior's body is a warrior's mind.

I agree with everything you have said, but at some point, man must transcend the destructive cycle of war and embrace the virtues of compassion, wisdom and altruism. If we fail to recognize the importance of these virtues and continue down a path of aggression, war, conflict and self-interest, our inability to evolve morally and intellectually will lead to our self-destruction. At some point (much closer than we think), we are going to have to show our strength and have the courage to make the right choice.

All of that is possible without losing the will to fight if and when the need arises. Shaolin monks posses those qualities but are not savages. It's about keeping the Yin/Yang in balance. The job of the Yang is to expand, repel, ward off... i.e fight. The West's problem is that it has become 100% Yin-polarised due to feminism and its demonisation of the masculine. I explain this in full in chapter "The War on Masculinity" in my book linked in sig,

You're right, that is why I specifically chose the words strength and courage in the last sentence of my post. Hope that makes sense.

[Agape]

Years ago, when Atticus was here as Charles. He mentioned often of how "they", meaning the people who he once worked for, wanted technological feudalism. Nowadays, you can hear Katherine Austin Fitts mention this, as well.

It's my opinion that Sharia Law is the means by which feudalism takes hold. To understand Islam, one must be willing to also give serious consideration to the role of the vision for a global Islam Caliphate drives many people within the culture and how the introduction of Sharia Law into communities plays into that.

In thinking about what I wrote here, the bolded bit above, I'd like to self-correct a bit, or maybe clarify. In terms of who "they" were, that wanted "technological fiefdom, or feudalism". It may not have been the people Stephen/Atticus/Charles was associated with, but rather, descendants of a lineage that the people he was associated with may have been trying to counterbalance. Is that an accurate term? Counterbalance.

I remember as a kid, a young adult, and even now, in my sixties, feeling frustrated with the use of the word "they" when it wasn't clear who "they" were being referred to.

Anyway, someone of some faction, operating at levels we can hardly imagine, seemed to have a keen interest in this outcome.

When Sarah Adams talks about the Homeland Terrorist plot, she sometimes mentions some elements of this have been in planning since the 90's. I think this can be a bit surprising to people.

Later, in the Sarah Adams thread, I will share the intro to one of the books I'm reading by Jesse Petrilla, "If It Takes A Thousand Years (https://www.amazon.com/If-Takes-Thousand-Years-Jihadists/dp/B0DHDBV35F)". There is a patient, long-term planning involved in this vision for a global Islam Caliphate. It could come from the sense of time, or rather timelessness, as described in the book, or from an entity, group, or force that has a long view of time?

This is probably off-topic, but I wanted to clarify my meaning.



Looks like Lara Logan agrees with you, and she should know.


xk5y2NjjTiU


You can't integrate that. Wherever that turns up, it's an invasion and nothing more or less.



But how comes they are neither the first or the only ones to believe in re-creating the Kingdom of Heavens on Earth.

There are countless names for this attempt to create "Advanced Civilisation" on Earth ,

there's always been.

Shambhala, the Zion , Planet X, the Kochab, the 4th Reich for Germans and the great Russian prophecy.

There is no fault "in the scripture" .

No scripture claims that we live in paradise or that we can create something of it that it isn't , before the dawn of the Next Cycle.

The Planet fueled by foolish human activity of last 10 000 years, the post glacial era, much time wasted on leisure parties , is bound to recycle this ecosystem at some point in order to cleanse and enable new evolutionary epoch.
While we don't know exactly when is it going to start , it's a geologically ( rather than politically ) predictable future.

The government's will never acknowledged that "till the end of the days" in order to prevent panic and/or mass human migration.

The fault is clear as a day, misinterpretation of all the Testaments, the Vedas, the Quran and so forth.

Who did suggest to build "Paradise of the righteous" on Earth ?

Read your books in original. It was not the Talmud, or any other of "Them".

They all suggest "do not try to build castle on the sand". Do not be attached to this human paradigm. Don't try to "sort it out".

Our body and mind are sovereign , complete under the Stars of Infinity .

It's His Garden and we are the Goat and the Gardener.


We are through the "beginning of the end " of our days on Earth and true ..it may take another thousand years to get there but it's because of the ginormous energy increase in planetary atmosphere we may blow it up much faster .

To the bigger Universe we are quite unimportant. In our foolishness and self belief, we destroy much of the rest of life forms here, eat them, subjugate them , call them idiots .

The Life so much bigger than we are is waiting I am afraid, can not wait till we are quite gone , washed to the sea.

Any other evolving species "in queue" can take our turn.

The dolphins, the cats, the dogs , even roaches.

So what does the scripture say again on the topic ,

don't worry about the End, no there is nothing we can do about it ,

the righteous will be saved.

Civilisation will restart self as completely new advanced model.



G0np-5xbkus


What "they " all also know is that current humanity is vulnerable and in parts dying of vitality.

While we invest lots of research and know how to slowing the process we can never completely stop it.

People on the "ideological top" however actively preach various forms of utopia to the newly waking masses, all from socialistic paradise, multinational religious states to.. immortality.

Joe Public the Fascinated , growing short of patience.

Android robot in Buddhist Zen Temple recites the scripture for us .

Agamemnon the mechanical statue of, standing humbly in the corner , performing the sward sharp cutting gesture , slaying the head of Medusae.


Like in a museum of technical toys .


Bottom line, the Prophet has advised against Takeover.


Namaskaram

🙏

[norman]

You can't integrate that. Wherever that turns up, it's an invasion and nothing more or less.



But how comes they are neither the first or the only ones to believe in re-creating the Kingdom of Heavens on Earth.

There are countless names for this attempt to create "Advanced Civilisation" on Earth ,




I know at best I'll get no thanks for saying this, but I think Mohamedism was a crock religion from the get go because they were clandestinely conjured up to do the dirty work of slaughtering the people who knew what Jesus was really all about, so a snake cult could get away with launching a fake Christian religion. That was the Roman snake cult's brilliant idea to ward off the encroaching true Christian threat to their crumbling high maintenance empire, convert it to a soft power stealth empire of religiosity and other mind control tricks. They killed two birds with one stone. Pure evil genius.

I've heard two different versions of how Mohamed popped up. One version included him having a child wife. That smells like a useful red herring but could be based on a later mistress/plaything. The other version is that he married a rich Roman trader woman who set him up as the Roman's perfect solution to their "Jesus" problem. That's the version that makes a lot of sense to me nowadays as I've gathered together a lot of information into which it fits perfectly.


Here's the version that makes sense to me.

The founding and possible purpose of Mohammedism.mp3 (https://app.box.com/s/8z3gn2lil76u3f5e0iwef6q9en1fci8l)
https://app.box.com/s/8z3gn2lil76u3f5e0iwef6q9en1fci8l


If this story is the real one it tells me that they are still performing the same function 15 hundred years later but with extra higher ranks of co conspirators with the satanic brotherhood.


Should I now see myself out. I've just slagged off two religions in one go I haven't even started on the other varieties.

[edina]

I know at best I'll get no thanks for saying this, but I think Mohamedism was a crock religion from the get go because they were clandestinely conjured up to do the dirty work of slaughtering the people who knew what Jesus was really all about, so a snake cult could get away with launching a fake Christian religion. That was the Roman snake cult's brilliant idea to ward off the encroaching true Christian threat to their crumbling high maintenance empire, convert it to a soft power stealth empire of religiosity and other mind control tricks. They killed two birds with one stone. Pure evil genius.

I've heard two different versions of how Mohamed popped up. One version included him having a child wife. That smells like a useful red herring but could be based on a later mistress/plaything. The other version is that he married a rich Roman trader woman who set him up as the Roman's perfect solution to their "Jesus" problem. That's the version that makes a lot of sense to me nowadays as I've gathered together a lot of information into which it fits perfectly.


Here's the version that makes sense to me.

The founding and possible purpose of Mohammedism.mp3 (https://app.box.com/s/8z3gn2lil76u3f5e0iwef6q9en1fci8l)
https://app.box.com/s/8z3gn2lil76u3f5e0iwef6q9en1fci8l


If this story is the real one it tells me that they are still performing the same function 15 hundred years later but with extra higher ranks of co conspirators with the satanic brotherhood.


Should I now see myself out. I've just slagged off two religions in one go I haven't even started on the other varieties.

Well norm, you've got a thanks from me. :sun:

In terms of whether Islam is a crock religion, I watched several videos earlier this year where Jay Smith dismantles the keystones of Islam on a more science based approach.

I went through the comparative study of religions in stages. In my 20's I was curious as to who the 'Mahdi' was because I had read Dune and it got me thinking...

One of the things I noticed is that each of the three Abrahamic religions told essentially the same "end times" story with the twist that they end up being the "chosen" people.

The Messiah for Judiasm
The Mahdi for Islam
and the Second Coming of Jesus for Christians.

In the Dune books, the Bene Gesserit pre-seed myths into the cultures of planets that can be used to their advantage, if needed. To me, this looked like the "end times" narrative was like someone pre-seeding a myth across and embedded within the Abrahamic religions for some future potential purpose. Sort of like someone hedging their bets.

I don't really see them as prophetic, but more as social engineering.

I also noticed a shift in Muhammed's messaging when he traveled in the desert from Medina to Mecca. It became less focused on peace, and more focused on war and fighting. At the time, I wondered if his original messaging had been high-jacked with the encounter of a being at that time. There is a long history of Djinn in that region.

Earlier this year, I watched a few talks given by Jay Smith, he discusses the modern research into the Quran, Mecca, and Muhammed that essentially dismantles the main tenets of Islam. And complements the information you shared in your audio. For all intents and purposes, it looks like the timelines don't add up, geography doesn't support the Muhammad story, and that it was actually written centuries later than claimed.

I'll leave a link here (https://youtu.be/40DclW84HkM?si=nGyFYV6Nv6kCC85W) for people who would like to take a closer, hopefully more neutral, look at the research he shares. Fair warning, Jay Smith is a Christian missionary, some people may be offended by that. But the research presented is religion neutral. And I think would be quite useful to have in one's knowledge bank.

It may not immediately address the concern of what Mike described as the Muslim problem. The first step is have genuine authentic conversations. If the conversation gets shut down via social judgement and pressures, people cannot move forward.

Also, I think to address the overarching concern, it's helpful to understand how FOG, affects people, (Fear, Obligation, Guilt).

FOG has always played a role in religious control of peoples. But as I'm learning more and more about it's role in the current iteration of jihadi thinking, I can see how it's been amplified, almost like a psyop on the Muslim peoples, making support of jihad an obligation and so on.

[Mike]

It's a mistake to lump Islam with Judaism and Christianity. Yes they are all Abrahamic but only 2 of those religions are western (Christianity and Judaism). And only one is both political and proselytizing (Islam). Actually I would argue that Islam is every bit a political movement as it is a religion. Also, Christianity and Judaism exist in almost exclusively free and democratic countries, while Islam exists in exclusively authoritarian countries. That's not a coincidence. Apples and oranges.


Palestine is in the west?

Arabia is more or less south of Palestine, not really east of it.


Islam may be a social reform or resistance against Judaic Kings. That is likely. The mission of Christianity is to eliminate Judaism by ideological subversion. Islam may have in mind proselytizing "pagan tribes" rather than Jews.

Monarchist parties in Germany tend to use the title Christian. All three of these religions are open to converts. I don't sense the accuracy of the labels.




You're right, Islam isn't taking over China or India. It's taking over the west first by design. Globalists will naturally begin by destroying countries that value their freedom and personal liberties; countries that have willfully forfeited their personal liberties have already done all their work for them.


Islam already took over India. I consider myself as involved with re-construction from devastation inflicted in the 1,200s. Curiously, the aggressor was not referred to by religion but as Turks. But, yes, it was Islamic Caliphate for a few centuries. Apparently you can get over that. Now we have British-drawn lines to ratchet the tension.





Atm Islam is infecting the west thru ideological subversion, not jihadi attacks. But just wait. When the time is ripe, that'll come too.


After doing whatever one wishes with places like Iraq and Afghanistan, what do you expect?


It's a known risk for Netanyahu to produce the most hated regime in the world because the Diaspora is vulnerable even in the irrational sense, if it is lone gunmen targeting Jews just by association. He knows this. He takes the risk. I'm not aware of that many "pogrom" style attacks in recent years until the past two, which, already happened one time in Australia and Iran was blamed with no evidence and the story disappeared.

This last one happened and I posted something intended to prevent spin one way or the other, and then I see over here this wall of polarity.


Here's the receiving end in Lebanon (https://english.almanar.com.lb/article/1821/):


Narratives, Incidents, and the Expansion of Justification

Military pressure is reinforced by narrative pressure. Incidents far from the region, such as the attack in Sydney, are rapidly absorbed into a global discourse that conflates resistance, regional actors, and acts of violence under the banner of extremism and antisemitism.

This framing serves a strategic purpose. It widens the space for preemptive action and dulls sensitivity to violations of sovereignty. When Lebanon or Syria is framed as part of a global threat continuum, escalation becomes easier to justify, and resistance becomes harder to defend politically.

The result is a steady erosion of legitimacy-not through direct confrontation, but through narrative conditioning.


Some Lebanese person is far more likely to pay the price of these mere ideas and this has already been happening for a long time. While I think it is unfortunate that a few more civilians have been murdered as some by-product of bad ideas, that sympathy does not take the form of divisiveness. When an incident happens, I try to wait for the dust to settle to try to find what objectively happened, none of which has been posted. There seems to be a mission based from a statement about Muslim perpetrators.

Western countries have a lot of mostly self-created problems.

As a person who doesn't perceive an Islamic threat, or, much of any threat except the "creation" that goes on by our system, I'm trying to see why this labeling thing would work. These are complex issues that involve all sorts of funded organizations and individuals acting under their own devices. We have a reflection of what certain authorities once called:


The Jewish Problem


I don't think we're supposed to label a "type of person" as a thing to be "othered".

You can do it to a type of mentality, such as Zionism, which is optional or a decision, and similarly a "Caliphate" by some armed gang is opposable. It's a radical statement to bring in something like, oppose or contain Muslim people, and since I do not have this conclusion, it's an opportunity to explain it better. How do you get the swing vote, so to speak.


Judaism and Christianity became part of the west at an early time, in the Roman empire. The west begins in Greece, and at roughly the same time Judaism is flourishing. And then Judaism enters the Roman Empire via Christianity. That's my understanding.

I'm talking about western culture btw. Not points on a map.

It's very easy to become a Muslim. Jews will often actively discourage you of trying to join their ranks. The numbers reflect this reality i.e. 2 billion Muslims vs 15 million Jews worldwide.

I can't fathom how anyone could look at the world atm and not see the Muslim threat, especially when it's right in our faces. There is an ideological war for the soul of the world; it couldn't possibly be more clear.

It's not the Jews who are immigrating to Europe in record numbers and breeding the native populations out of existence. It's not the Jews immigrating to Australia and New Zealand and the UK, disrupting and distorting the economy and culture. It's not the Jews who gang raped several hundred thousand white Brit girls over the last 30 years. It's not the Jews committing 48,000 terror attacks in 70 countries since 2011. It's not the Jews slaughtering 50,000-100,000 Christians in Nigeria. It's not the Jews who're against basic personal freedoms and liberties. And you know I could go on and on.

Islam is separated into house of war and house of Islam. In Islam the entire world is broken up into one or the other. Any land that Islam conquers and loses is forever more canonically under the house if Islam. Any land that hasn't been conquered is in the house of war, which means they will endeavor to conquer it. No matter how you cut it, if you're not a Muslim, you are an enemy of Islam.

In the middle east, with the exception of the Jews every single society that has existed before Islam has been eradicated. In Egypt the Coptic Christians were once the majority, and now it's something like less than 10%. Syria and Lebanon were also Christian countries. Not anymore. Ditto Persia. Ditto Iraq. Something like 50 plus countries have become Islamized thru brute force.

No culture has conquered or colonized or caused as much violence and death as Islam. Not even close. But we choose to ignore this 1400 history of rape and murder in favor of the latest news cycle, or the latest Zionist conspiracy. We are thinking like insects.

Islam cannot coexist peacefully at scale with western culture. This is self evident. So here's a very simple thought experiment: would you prefer the world to be ruled by Islam or the west? Personal liberties or Sharia Law? This is a no brainer (I hope). This is the decision we're all collectively making all across the world in every moment with every word and deed.

If by Zionism everyone means globalists, then yes this is a major problem, and we're actually not at cross purposes at all because the globalists are orchestrating all this Muslim chaos. If this is what everyone is referring to, then we're on the same team. But it's not obvious to me at all that most people even know what or who they're talking about when they use the word Zionism. Jess called a couple innocent Australians celebrating Hannukah "Zionists" and coldly disregarded their deaths as meaningless as a result. This is the type of brain rot that this sort talk results in most of the time.

[Jaak]

It's not the Jews who are immigrating to Europe in record numbers and breeding the native populations out of existence. It's not the Jews immigrating to Australia and New Zealand and the UK, disrupting and distorting the economy and culture. It's not the Jews who gang raped several hundred thousand white Brit girls over the last 30 years. It's not the Jews committing 48,000 terror attacks in 70 countries since 2011. It's not the Jews slaughtering 50,000-100,000 Christians in Nigeria. It's not the Jews who're against basic personal freedoms and liberties. And you know I could go on and on.



All these things happened thanks to jews who have been causing mass migration to the west .

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8KxJE5WAAY5EKT?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8LtD6MbEAAwNwl?format=jpg&name=large
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[AutumnW]

There is something uniquely problematic with the muslims; they have developed a pattern of terrorism unparalleled in modern times. Groups claiming to represent Islamic values have been responsible for the most terrorist attacks in the past 40 years, not only in the Middle East but globally. There is no denying that Islamic religious extremism has become the dominant form of terrorism worldwide. Couple that fact with poorly thought-out muslim immigration in both Europe and the USA, and you end up with fatal consequences.

To make matters worse, Muslims are generally the least likely to assimilate into the host country. They actively attempt to influence and radically change the cultural and social values of their new countries. There have been cases where they have successfully introduced aspects of Sharia law in countries like the UK and Canada. If immigrants are unwilling to abide by the laws of the host country, they should not be accepted as immigrants in the first place.

Many people do not recognize the issues related to Muslim terrorism and immigration as the greatest challenge facing the West. Some mistakenly believe that Israel is the primary problem. They feel they can overlook concerns about Muslims, believing they are fighting the same enemy. This misconception causes them to ignore the larger Muslim terrorism and immigration issues. Even if Israel were to be dissolved as a country, the problems caused by Muslim terrorism and immigration would not disappear; in fact, it would become even more severe.

To understand the problem, people in the West need to overcome their fear of being labelled racist or Islamophobic by simply speaking the truth. By the time people get over their unfounded fears and anxieties, they will find out that their countries have changed to the point that they no longer represent the same strong family, religious or cultural values that they so loved in the first place.

There have been cases where they have successfully introduced aspects of Sharia law in countries like the UK and Canada.

Like Hell they have. Everyone is expected to follow Canadian law, in Canada. It was never even a remote threat that Sharia law would be adopted here. It's statements like this, used as clickbait on social media, most likely, that have me doubting so much you state as fact. Be more skeptical, will ya?

[AutumnW]

All extremists within Abrahamic religions are nuts and most use their extremism to grab power. They're psychopaths, often enough.

All of them focus on the evil of other religions and cultures, ignorant of or unbothered by their own brands of evil.

Unifying church and state isn't a good idea in Arab countries and a terrible idea for the US.

Some think heavy handed Christianity is a good antidote to "woke culture" But it would be much better to replace woke, if it's not appreciated, with something better, not equally or more problematic.

As far as treatment of women, Muslims need to *vastly* improve, as well as those, like the Jewish rabbi who owns PornHub, (who takes advantage of desperate women to churn out violent porn)

If it was up to me, I'd trash most holy books and force evangelical Christians to actually follow the lessons of Christ, pray in the privacy of their own homes, and stfu about Jesus, everywhere else. That goes equally for Muslims and Jews.

I'm f'g sick of it.

Mike, you professed no sympathy or empathy for thousands upon thousands of innocent Gazan Muslims, killed by Israel yet get on Shaberon's case for not expressing sympathy for 15 (Zionist) Jews killed on a beach.

Interesting to me that one of your concerns is how the men treat women in Muslim culture, yet you were okay with Israel murdering thousands of them.


Jess I have plenty of sympathy for anyone killed anywhere, including Gazans.

What I don't care about and refuse to emotionally invest in is the conflict itself, which is for one tiny slice of land in the middle of nowhere, and which has been in dispute for ages and hasn't shown any signs of resolving itself.

I was also highlighting (in the post you're referring to) the hypocrisy of everyone obsessing over this one conflict while ignoring most of the other tragedy going on in the world, all while congratulating themselves on their virtue and wagging a finger at anyone else who refused to join this little charade, which is what Dennis was doing. I found and still find all the alleged "compassion" for Gazans to be quite suspect.

I was led to believe the interest in Gaza was sincere and heartfelt, not politically motivated, not the result of an obsessive news cycle, and not the result of a parasetized populace conditioned to value virtue signaling above all else. We're just good caring people, right? Well I've started a thread recently about the Muslim slaughter of Christians in Nigeria, and I've yet to see you or anyone else express all that sincere heartfelt compassion for anyone there. Nor the white farmers in South Africa getting systematically killed. Why??

The entire point of the post you're referring to (in Dennis' thread) is not to withhold sympathy and compassion, but to offer it to the people closest to you first and foremost, and then your immediate community, then your country, and if there's anything left perhaps then you could extend it further. I was making the point that emotion and energy are the same thing, and you have to use it judiciously.

I'm of the opinion that people often deliberately obsess over global conflicts they can do nothing about rather than the things they can do something about because the things they can do something about would actually require them to act in the real world. Writing endless maudlin posts about Gaza is a far more romantic and public display of virtue, and why physically work for those pats on the head when you can just write a social media post or two and be applauded by hundreds or thousands of anonymous twitter handles?

Your comment about the murdered Jews in Australia is demented. I knew Shaberon was cracked, but I didn't think you'd go that low.

You are in a state of profound denial about the Muslim problem. I don't even know where to begin to respond to the rest of your post.

Well I've started a thread recently about the Muslim slaughter of Christians in Nigeria, and I've yet to see you or anyone else express all that sincere heartfelt compassion for anyone there. Nor the white farmers in South Africa getting systematically killed. Why?? ~ Mike

Because it isn't a Muslim against Christian slaughter. It's a tribal war. And no, white farmers aren't being systematically killed in S. Africa. Some have been killed and that's really f'g awful. South Africa is a terrible place to be white, black, brown or yellow, at this point.

Here's the thing though, Nigerian Muslims and S.African blacks aren't receiving vast numbers of bombs and other armaments from the US to kill whites and Christians. When that happens people will start marching in the US and globally.

You keep framing the protests against Gaza genocide as hypocritical. And each time, you ignore the salient fact that protesters are freaked out because of all the horrendous death and their being forced to support it through their tax dollars. In Canada too, we have no idea how much in the way of raw materials we export are being used for weapons by the US to ship to Israel.

As that fact undermines your central premise, you MUST mentally blow past it. So, by all means, Mike, keep on ignoring that point, just understand that the fact that you do is transparent to most.

I knew Shabaron was cracked but I didn't think you'd go that low.
~Mike

I could go much "lower" and be considered only mildly critical, by most, considering the seriousness of the problem.

[SilentFeathers]

Mike, this deranged and retarded like thinking by Debbie Schultz is really almost as dangerous and deadly as radical Islam.

She is trying to claim Trump is more of a threat than Islamic terrorism! The Democrat party is a demonic death cult in my opinion.

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2001427813123993698

[Myristyl]

There is something uniquely problematic with the muslims; they have developed a pattern of terrorism unparalleled in modern times. Groups claiming to represent Islamic values have been responsible for the most terrorist attacks in the past 40 years, not only in the Middle East but globally. There is no denying that Islamic religious extremism has become the dominant form of terrorism worldwide. Couple that fact with poorly thought-out muslim immigration in both Europe and the USA, and you end up with fatal consequences.

To make matters worse, Muslims are generally the least likely to assimilate into the host country. They actively attempt to influence and radically change the cultural and social values of their new countries. There have been cases where they have successfully introduced aspects of Sharia law in countries like the UK and Canada. If immigrants are unwilling to abide by the laws of the host country, they should not be accepted as immigrants in the first place.

Many people do not recognize the issues related to Muslim terrorism and immigration as the greatest challenge facing the West. Some mistakenly believe that Israel is the primary problem. They feel they can overlook concerns about Muslims, believing they are fighting the same enemy. This misconception causes them to ignore the larger Muslim terrorism and immigration issues. Even if Israel were to be dissolved as a country, the problems caused by Muslim terrorism and immigration would not disappear; in fact, it would become even more severe.

To understand the problem, people in the West need to overcome their fear of being labelled racist or Islamophobic by simply speaking the truth. By the time people get over their unfounded fears and anxieties, they will find out that their countries have changed to the point that they no longer represent the same strong family, religious or cultural values that they so loved in the first place.

There have been cases where they have successfully introduced aspects of Sharia law in countries like the UK and Canada.

Like Hell they have. Everyone is expected to follow Canadian law, in Canada. It was never even a remote threat that Sharia law would be adopted here. It's statements like this, used as clickbait on social media, most likely, that have me doubting so much you state as fact. Be more skeptical, will ya?

I don't know about Canada but Sharia courts do operate in certain areas of the UK, informally, with the tacit approval of the state. It would not surprise me at all to find the same is true in Canada but I really have no idea. I have noticed a change here in the UK, people are very aware of the countries changing demographics and the fact that there is a very real possibility that the UK may become a Muslim country by default. The 'your a racist' if you criticize Islam message isn't working anymore, as a result the state is now intimidating and arresting people for having an opinion.

We are in trouble. We cannot ignore it and hope it will 'go away' or future generations will look back on us with despair.

[Rizotto]

History shows us that western Christianity went through very dark episodes, inflicting wars, torture, executions, invading colonization and displacement of aboriginal population, even genocide. Is Islam any worse?

One thing we shouldn't forget, is that religions and societies do evolve over time. For example, the pope no longer has life/death power over the citizens of the world like they used to, say in the 1500s, when they burn people at the stake for 'wrong-think'. Similarly, expect to see the children of radical muslims eventually reject extremism, and probably reject organized religion altogether, as many folks have done in the west nowadays.

Societies tend to move towards less tyranny and more enlightenment when peace and wealth are present.

[Rizotto]

The debate about sharia law took place decades ago in Canada. In the end, it was decided that since Canada already had its own established laws, sharia law would NOT be allowed as a parallel legal system.

We do have a MASS immigration problem in Canada thanks to the Liberal regime, but they're not muslims. Most of them are Indians, from Khalistan.

[Mike]

It's not the Jews who are immigrating to Europe in record numbers and breeding the native populations out of existence. It's not the Jews immigrating to Australia and New Zealand and the UK, disrupting and distorting the economy and culture. It's not the Jews who gang raped several hundred thousand white Brit girls over the last 30 years. It's not the Jews committing 48,000 terror attacks in 70 countries since 2011. It's not the Jews slaughtering 50,000-100,000 Christians in Nigeria. It's not the Jews who're against basic personal freedoms and liberties. And you know I could go on and on.



All these things happened thanks to jews who have been causing mass migration to the west .

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8KxJE5WAAY5EKT?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8LtD6MbEAAwNwl?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8LtD6PbwAEzwYb?format=jpg&name=small


This looks like a 6th grade history project. You've just sent me a tapestry of tiny pics with even tinier print. I can't even see it!

Make the arguments one by one - in your own words - and I'll engage with you on it. Because I don't even know what to do with this.

[Mike]

All extremists within Abrahamic religions are nuts and most use their extremism to grab power. They're psychopaths, often enough.

All of them focus on the evil of other religions and cultures, ignorant of or unbothered by their own brands of evil.

Unifying church and state isn't a good idea in Arab countries and a terrible idea for the US.

Some think heavy handed Christianity is a good antidote to "woke culture" But it would be much better to replace woke, if it's not appreciated, with something better, not equally or more problematic.

As far as treatment of women, Muslims need to *vastly* improve, as well as those, like the Jewish rabbi who owns PornHub, (who takes advantage of desperate women to churn out violent porn)

If it was up to me, I'd trash most holy books and force evangelical Christians to actually follow the lessons of Christ, pray in the privacy of their own homes, and stfu about Jesus, everywhere else. That goes equally for Muslims and Jews.

I'm f'g sick of it.

Mike, you professed no sympathy or empathy for thousands upon thousands of innocent Gazan Muslims, killed by Israel yet get on Shaberon's case for not expressing sympathy for 15 (Zionist) Jews killed on a beach.

Interesting to me that one of your concerns is how the men treat women in Muslim culture, yet you were okay with Israel murdering thousands of them.


Jess I have plenty of sympathy for anyone killed anywhere, including Gazans.

What I don't care about and refuse to emotionally invest in is the conflict itself, which is for one tiny slice of land in the middle of nowhere, and which has been in dispute for ages and hasn't shown any signs of resolving itself.

I was also highlighting (in the post you're referring to) the hypocrisy of everyone obsessing over this one conflict while ignoring most of the other tragedy going on in the world, all while congratulating themselves on their virtue and wagging a finger at anyone else who refused to join this little charade, which is what Dennis was doing. I found and still find all the alleged "compassion" for Gazans to be quite suspect.

I was led to believe the interest in Gaza was sincere and heartfelt, not politically motivated, not the result of an obsessive news cycle, and not the result of a parasetized populace conditioned to value virtue signaling above all else. We're just good caring people, right? Well I've started a thread recently about the Muslim slaughter of Christians in Nigeria, and I've yet to see you or anyone else express all that sincere heartfelt compassion for anyone there. Nor the white farmers in South Africa getting systematically killed. Why??

The entire point of the post you're referring to (in Dennis' thread) is not to withhold sympathy and compassion, but to offer it to the people closest to you first and foremost, and then your immediate community, then your country, and if there's anything left perhaps then you could extend it further. I was making the point that emotion and energy are the same thing, and you have to use it judiciously.

I'm of the opinion that people often deliberately obsess over global conflicts they can do nothing about rather than the things they can do something about because the things they can do something about would actually require them to act in the real world. Writing endless maudlin posts about Gaza is a far more romantic and public display of virtue, and why physically work for those pats on the head when you can just write a social media post or two and be applauded by hundreds or thousands of anonymous twitter handles?

Your comment about the murdered Jews in Australia is demented. I knew Shaberon was cracked, but I didn't think you'd go that low.

You are in a state of profound denial about the Muslim problem. I don't even know where to begin to respond to the rest of your post.

Well I've started a thread recently about the Muslim slaughter of Christians in Nigeria, and I've yet to see you or anyone else express all that sincere heartfelt compassion for anyone there. Nor the white farmers in South Africa getting systematically killed. Why?? ~ Mike

Because it isn't a Muslim against Christian slaughter. It's a tribal war. And no, white farmers aren't being systematically killed in S. Africa. Some have been killed and that's really f'g awful. South Africa is a terrible place to be white, black, brown or yellow, at this point.

Here's the thing though, Nigerian Muslims and S.African blacks aren't receiving vast numbers of bombs and other armaments from the US to kill whites and Christians. When that happens people will start marching in the US and globally.

You keep framing the protests against Gaza genocide as hypocritical. And each time, you ignore the salient fact that protesters are freaked out because of all the horrendous death and their being forced to support it through their tax dollars. In Canada too, we have no idea how much in the way of raw materials we export are being used for weapons by the US to ship to Israel.

As that fact undermines your central premise, you MUST mentally blow past it. So, by all means, Mike, keep on ignoring that point, just understand that the fact that you do is transparent to most.

I knew Shabaron was cracked but I didn't think you'd go that low.
~Mike

I could go much "lower" and be considered only mildly critical, by most, considering the seriousness of the problem.


It's not a tribal war but if you insist on calling it that, fine, the bottom line remains - Muslims are slaughtering Christians all over Nigeria because they're Christians. If you insist on calling Islamic terror groups "tribes" it hardly matters.

Those Muslim "tribes" are called Boko Haram and ISWAP. Their openly stated goal is to establish an Islamic state/Sharia law in Nigeria, and they are slaughtering Christians in massive numbers (some estimate up to 100,000) destroying churches, and abducting clergy and civilians.

South Africa is a terrible place to live for everyone, yes, but a much more terrible place for the white Afrikaners who are being slaughtered largely because of this insidious Marxist ethos that's spread around the world like the plague. Here's a small clip of one of their hate rallies, where an entire stadium of black South Africans are chanting "Kill the white farmer". I can't wait to see who'll blame the Jews first for this one LOL
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Who cares if Nigerian Muslims and South African blacks are or aren't receiving bombs from anyone? Death is death. Genocide is genocide. It's all the same. Do you require a certain level of international drama to feel compassion?

This is part of the hypocrisy I keep pointing out. The alleged compassion for Gaza is just politics and collective zeal recast as "compassion". It's no more evident than here on this very forum. Show people a pile of Christian corpses killed by Muslims, and by heaven or hell they will find a way to blame the Jews:). Everything is a Jew problem. It has to be to keep their narrative propped up. You're all deathly afraid to even condemn such evil as rape and murder by Muslims for fear that it might render the narrative you're so emotionally invested in (Jews = bad, Muslims = noble and good) less convincing. Jess look what it's done to you; look how coldly you reacted to those murdered Aussies. All so you could make a cheap political point.

[Mike]

History shows us that western Christianity went through very dark episodes, inflicting wars, torture, executions, invading colonization and displacement of aboriginal population, even genocide. Is Islam any worse?

Yes!:) Like way worse! Please do some reading. And I mean than sincerely, not as a smarmy remark. It applies to everyone. For the love of God, read about this a little. To know what we're up against now, you need to know what happened in the past.

[Alecs]

History shows us that western Christianity went through very dark episodes, inflicting wars, torture, executions, invading colonization and displacement of aboriginal population, even genocide. Is Islam any worse?

Yes!:) Like way worse! Please do some reading. And I mean than sincerely, not as a smarmy remark. It applies to everyone. For the love of God, read about this a little. To know what we're up against now, you need to know what happened in the past.

Here's one scholarly critique that's enlightening: Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins (https://www.amazon.com/Did-Muhammad-Exist-Origins-Revised-Expanded/dp/B0D3QX6Q4J/ref=sr_1_1?crid=F4A5B3S8OGSE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dA8ytOWVJDK9yyoWjWLSF4PLmKAGNTScOUiMxHiqSPppqknNrlsJXFMhD9n-C8gUYuYGWBMqI5e-CGlrUrHOzg.HtTXAXQlhcxkGN8HXzeGvZ2J63d0jZNwIdBZJGMNwa8&dib_tag=se&keywords=robert+spencer+did+muhammad+exist&qid=1766078645&sprefix=robert+spencer%2Caps%2C159&sr=8-1)

Written by Robert Spencer.

[rgray222]

There is something uniquely problematic with the muslims; they have developed a pattern of terrorism unparalleled in modern times. Groups claiming to represent Islamic values have been responsible for the most terrorist attacks in the past 40 years, not only in the Middle East but globally. There is no denying that Islamic religious extremism has become the dominant form of terrorism worldwide. Couple that fact with poorly thought-out muslim immigration in both Europe and the USA, and you end up with fatal consequences.

To make matters worse, Muslims are generally the least likely to assimilate into the host country. They actively attempt to influence and radically change the cultural and social values of their new countries. There have been cases where they have successfully introduced aspects of Sharia law in countries like the UK and Canada. If immigrants are unwilling to abide by the laws of the host country, they should not be accepted as immigrants in the first place.

Many people do not recognize the issues related to Muslim terrorism and immigration as the greatest challenge facing the West. Some mistakenly believe that Israel is the primary problem. They feel they can overlook concerns about Muslims, believing they are fighting the same enemy. This misconception causes them to ignore the larger Muslim terrorism and immigration issues. Even if Israel were to be dissolved as a country, the problems caused by Muslim terrorism and immigration would not disappear; in fact, it would become even more severe.

To understand the problem, people in the West need to overcome their fear of being labelled racist or Islamophobic by simply speaking the truth. By the time people get over their unfounded fears and anxieties, they will find out that their countries have changed to the point that they no longer represent the same strong family, religious or cultural values that they so loved in the first place.

There have been cases where they have successfully introduced aspects of Sharia law in countries like the UK and Canada.

Like Hell they have. Everyone is expected to follow Canadian law, in Canada. It was never even a remote threat that Sharia law would be adopted here. It's statements like this, used as clickbait on social media, most likely, that have me doubting so much you state as fact. Be more skeptical, will ya?

I’m doing my best to avoid confrontation, but it seems like some of my posts prompt challenges. That’s totally okay but please just take a minute or two to look things up before responding. Thanks

Also, please note I said aspects of Sharia Law not a wholesale adoption. That said some of these aspects are huge in terms of divorce, propery, marriage and custody.

A 10-second search will provide you with this information

Where have successful aspects of Sharia law been introduced in Canada?

In Canada, the introduction of Sharia law has been limited to civil arbitrations in the province of Ontario, where it is permitted under the Arbitration Act of 1991, provided both parties consent. This framework allows for the use of religious principles, including Islamic law, to resolve disputes related to property, marriage, divorce, custody, and inheritance. The Islamic Institute of Civil Justice (IICJ), established in 2003, was created to offer binding arbitration based on Sharia principles, with arbitrators trained in both Sharia and Canadian civil law.

There have been notable instances of Sharia-influenced practices at the municipal level. In 2008, the city of Edmonton, Alberta, restricted male access to public swimming pools during certain hours to accommodate Muslim women’s requests for gender-segregated swimming, in accordance with Sharia principles. Similarly, in 2011, the municipality of Huntingdon, Quebec, built a mosque and a halal slaughterhouse and offered tax incentives to attract Muslim residents.

In some public schools, such as Valley Park Middle School in Toronto, cafeteria spaces have been used for Friday prayers, with gender-segregated prayer arrangements, and halal food has been served, though these practices are not mandated by Sharia law and are often part of broader religious accommodation efforts. However, it is important to note that public education in Canada is secular, and religious instruction is not part of the mandated curriculum.

Despite these developments, the use of Sharia law remains controversial. The Ontario government initially banned religious arbitration in 2006 but later reinstated the allowance for consent-based civil arbitrations under the Arbitration Act. The decisions made by Sharia tribunals are not supposed to conflict with Canadian civil law and can be appealed in regular courts, but there is no third-party oversight or mandatory reporting of decisions, raising concerns about accountability and compliance.

[DNA]

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Jason Jorjani on the Danny Jones show.
I'm only 41 minutes in.
Jason talks about a lot so far and I'm waiting for him to start tying it all together.
That being said holy crap 35 minutes in he breaks down Islam simply and completely and better than I've ever heard anyone do and
I've learned a lot just in those few minutes between 35 and 41 minutes in -
Because of just that segment it's worth being here.
Jason is no fan of Islam but he points out that Islam really was all formed at once just like Mohammad says and that Islam will soon be the world majority religion.

[DNA]

It's not the Jews who are immigrating to Europe in record numbers and breeding the native populations out of existence. It's not the Jews immigrating to Australia and New Zealand and the UK, disrupting and distorting the economy and culture. It's not the Jews who gang raped several hundred thousand white Brit girls over the last 30 years. It's not the Jews committing 48,000 terror attacks in 70 countries since 2011. It's not the Jews slaughtering 50,000-100,000 Christians in Nigeria. It's not the Jews who're against basic personal freedoms and liberties. And you know I could go on and on.



All these things happened thanks to jews who have been causing mass migration to the west .

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This looks like a 6th grade history project. You've just sent me a tapestry of tiny pics with even tinier print. I can't even see it!

Make the arguments one by one - in your own words - and I'll engage with you on it. Because I don't even know what to do with this.

Jaak is trying to tell you without being triggering.
The programming is real, you can't talk about the Jews without triggering people, myself included I used to get triggered by that subject claiming antisemitism if any bad or blame was directed
I love you bro but you tend to be reactionary on this stuff.
Jaak's post is a kind gesture, you don't seem to be getting it.

You want to solve your problem?
Look at the European leadership they are the problem.
They are following their orders based on the understanding that white Christians won't go down and willingly sacrifice their autonomy.
White Christians are the enemy of setting up a one world government as such they shall he displaced and slaughtered by the population being brought in under the guise of refugee humanitarianism.

Who is orchestrating this?

The same elite banking class that created the state of Israel as their vassel state.
Who is orchestrating this?
The Zionists.
Who is orchestrating this?
The Zionists Jews.
Who is orchestrating this?
The Jews

You can hate on Islam all you want but if the fox gets into the hen house and eats your chickens are you going to be mad at the fox, or the guy who brought the fox from 2000 miles away and put him in your chicken coup saying that the poor fox needs somewhere to live and he has decided it is going to be in your chicken coup

[Mike]

Marcus I'm not saying there's no value there in Jaak's post, but you can't just bludgeon me with a massive billboard filled with a chaotic hodgepodge of images and teeny-weeny print:). It has to be parsed apart one by one. How can I ever begin to respond to that? Each of those little pics could all be separate threads.

Someone like George Soros is evil first and a Jew secondarily. In other words, he's evil because he's evil, not because he's a Jew. He's a self described atheist. And he's secular Jew, which means a Jew in name only basically. I'm not going to judge the Jews based on the actions of George Soros. That would be like judging the Germans based on Hitler or the Russians on Stalin. But look, I hate George Soros. No one has to twist my arm there. He's responsible for most of the woke rot in the US atm, and he has a lot to answer for.

So yes, you're right - it's all being orchestrated from on high. We're in total agreement there. But you can't make a thread about everything. This thread is about the Muslim problem specifically because it's the most immediately obvious manifestation of the globalist's plan (that and the woke Marxist movement).

I'm comfortable with the term "globalists", but uncomfortable with the term "Zionists" simply because I'm not convinced anyone even knows what the f#ck they're talking about half the time when they use the word "Zionists". I started a thread, asking everyone to define Zionism, and it was crickets. That told me a lot. Plus, even though I'm reminded emphatically that all the animosity here is towards the Zionists and not the Jews, those words are used interchangeably constantly. So I have very little faith in that assertion, especially in light of some of the deranged comments on this thread about the recently murdered Jews in Australia.

Also, I'm America first all the way. I'm only invested in the rest of the world as it applies to the USA. I favor Israel in their current conflict because they're western and civilized and because atm the world is being taken over by something barbaric and uncivilized. And also because I know a little about history, and also because I have these things called "eyes" and I can see quite clearly what's happening right in front of me atm. So if you see me defending Jews, it's not because I care whether or not they're in Gaza or not in Gaza, or because I'm a Zionist sympathizer, but because Jews are the front line against the very anti western barbarism spreading thruout the world atm in the form of the Muslims (which is all designed to destroy the west).

[SilentFeathers]

Marcus I'm not saying there's no value there in Jaak's post, but you can't just bludgeon me with a massive billboard filled with a chaotic hodgepodge of images and tiny-weeny print:). It has to be parsed apart one by one. How can I ever begin to respond to that? Each of those little pics could all be separate threads.

Someone like George Soros is evil first and a Jew secondarily. In other words, he's evil because he's evil, not because he's a Jew. He's a self described atheist. And he's secular Jew, which means a Jew in name only basically. I'm not going to judge the Jews based on the actions of George Soros. That would be like judging the Germans based on Hitler or the Russians on Stalin. But look, I hate George Soros. No one has to twist my arm there. He's responsible for most of the woke rot in the US atm, and he has a lot to answer for.

So yes, you're right - it's all being orchestrated from on high. We're in total agreement there. But you can't make a thread about everything. This thread is about the Muslim problem specifically because it's the most immediately obvious manifestation of the globalist's plan (that and the woke Marxist movement).

I'm comfortable with the term "globalists", but uncomfortable with the term "Zionists" simply because I'm not convinced anyone even knows what the f#ck they're talking about half the time when they use the word "Zionists". I started a thread, asking everyone to define Zionism, and it was crickets. That told me a lot. Plus, even though I'm reminded emphatically that all the animosity here is towards the Zionists and not the Jews, those words are used interchangeably constantly. So I have very little faith in that assertion, especially in light of some of the deranged comments on this thread about the recently murdered Jews in Australia.

Also, I'm America first all the way. I'm only invested in the rest of the world as it applies to the USA. I favor Israel in their current conflict because they're western and civilized and because atm the world is being taken over by something barbaric and uncivilized. And also because I know a little about history, and also because I have these things called "eyes" and I can see quite clearly what's happening right in front of me atm. So if you see me defending Jews, it's not because I care whether or not they're in Gaza or not in Gaza, or because I'm a Zionist sympathizer, but because Jews are the front line against the very anti western barbarism spreading thruout the world atm in the form of the Muslims.

The more damage these radical jihadis do in these western countries the more pissed off the civilian populations will get and the more will rise up against these radicals, and ironically more and more will start agreeing and supporting what Israel is doing about "The Muslim Problem".

So all these people that absolutely hate Israel and blame them for about everything bad that's happening in the world will only hate Israel more, and it will be "The Muslim Problem" as the cause for the escalation of their hatred for Israel.

Quite fascinating how things work out. Eventually no one will be able to avoid "The Muslim Problem", unless of course one converts and prays they don't get murdered by them anyways....

[AutumnW]

Mike, Thanks for posting that video. I'd looked into it a few months ago and after investigating it further, realized that hate speech isn't tolerated in SAFrica, from a legal standpoint.

That kind of hate speech can create an environment where some blacks may think they've been given tacit approval to commit crimes against whites, from their society, in general, when really they've just been in an echo chamber with Malema's followers and affinity groups.

It's much like how Trump has created an atmosphere in the US where people feel hatred for immigrants and act on it, as they think they have tacit approval from the president and don't expose themselves to any information that might counter their opinions. Funny, how humans are all alike that way, regardless of color and religion.

Anyway, this is what I found about Malema:


Who is Julius Malema and how much of the vote did he capture?

Julius Malema is a South African politician

Election Performance (2024)

In the most recent South African general election held on May 29, 2024, Malema's party captured:

National Vote: 9.52% of the support.

Parliamentary Seats: 39 seats in the 400-member National Assembly.

Ranking: The EFF became the fourth-largest party in South Africa, losing its third-place position to the newly formed uMkhonto weSizwe (MK) party led by former President Jacob Zuma.

Who is Julius Malema?

Controversies: Known for his fiery and militant rhetoric, Malema has been convicted of hate speech multiple times (most notably for singing "Shoot the Boer") and has faced various allegations of corruption and money laundering.

Recent Legal Issues: In October 2025, Malema was convicted of several firearm-related offenses, including illegally firing a weapon in public during an EFF rally; he faces a potential 15-year prison sentence and a five-year ban from Parliament.

[AutumnW]

Mike -- War in Nigeria:

In 2025, major tribal and communal wars in Nigeria are primarily concentrated in the
Middle Belt (North-Central) and the Northwest, though separatist and resource-based conflicts also affect the South. These conflicts are often characterized by a "herder vs. farmer" dynamic that overlaps with ethnic and religious identities--Google

This isn't to say that there are zero murders, conflicts taking place where Muslims are the aggressors. It's all pretty medieval, if you ask me.

[Mike]

Mike, Thanks for posting that video. I'd looked into it a few months ago and after investigating it further, realized that hate speech isn't tolerated in SAFrica, from a legal standpoint.

That kind of hate speech can create an environment where some blacks may think they've been given tacit approval to commit crimes against whites, from their society, in general, when really they've just been in an echo chamber with Malema's followers and affinity groups.

It's much like how Trump has created an atmosphere in the US where people feel hatred for immigrants and act on it, as they think they have tacit approval from the president and don't expose themselves to any information that might counter their opinions. Funny, how humans are all alike that way, regardless of color and religion.

Anyway, this is what I found about Malema:


Who is Julius Malema and how much of the vote did he capture?

Julius Malema is a South African politician

Election Performance (2024)

In the most recent South African general election held on May 29, 2024, Malema's party captured:

National Vote: 9.52% of the support.

Parliamentary Seats: 39 seats in the 400-member National Assembly.

Ranking: The EFF became the fourth-largest party in South Africa, losing its third-place position to the newly formed uMkhonto weSizwe (MK) party led by former President Jacob Zuma.

Who is Julius Malema?

Controversies: Known for his fiery and militant rhetoric, Malema has been convicted of hate speech multiple times (most notably for singing "Shoot the Boer") and has faced various allegations of corruption and money laundering.

Recent Legal Issues: In October 2025, Malema was convicted of several firearm-related offenses, including illegally firing a weapon in public during an EFF rally; he faces a potential 15-year prison sentence and a five-year ban from Parliament.


Ok, fair point:thumbsup:. I'm glad to see all that. I didn't know that.

But I'm still concerned about all those people jubilating and chanting and so forth. Even if we assumed all the white hate in South Africa was confined to that one stadium, it's plenty enough to go around and do some real damage. And btw, I get why it's so uncomfortable to accuse blacks of any kind of racism in South Africa given the awful history there. It feels icky. I do get that. But I value the truth the most at the end of the day, and I feel strongly that this should be one of those things that gets talked about.

There are some people here that hate immigrants, but the hate is mostly confined to rhetoric. There's no movement to go around and kill Mexican field workers, for example (or any other equivalent to the S.Africa farmer thing) None that I know of anyway.

[AutumnW]

This is part of the hypocrisy I keep pointing out. The alleged compassion for Gaza is just politics and collective zeal recast as "compassion". It's no more evident than here on this very forum. Show people a pile of Christian corpses killed by Muslims, and by heaven or hell they will find a way to blame the Jews. Everything is a Jew problem. It has to be to keep their narrative propped up. You're all deathly afraid to even condemn such evil as rape and murder by Muslims for fear that it might render the narrative you're so emotionally invested in (Jews = bad, Muslims = noble and good) less convincing. Jess look what it's done to you; look how coldly you reacted to those murdered Aussies. All so you could make a cheap political point. ~ Mike

Who cares if Nigerian Muslims and South African blacks are or aren't receiving bombs from anyone? Death is death. Genocide is genocide. It's all the same. Do you require a certain level of international drama to feel compassion?

I care. I pay taxes to the US govt, even though I live in Canada, and I'll be damned if I want any of it going to bunker buster bombs, purposely dropped on tents, for Gawd's sakes. And you can bet if that was occurring in Africa I'd be just as livid as would all those who've been marching for Gaza.

Just because you don't care about innocent Muslims getting killed, en massedon't think others are like you and just pretending to care.

Jess look what it's done to you; look how coldly you reacted to those murdered Aussies. All so you could make a cheap political point.

And you? The alleged compassion for Gaza is just politics and collective zeal recast as "compassion".

How does that square with your first line? Death is death. Genocide is genocide. It's all the same.

Zionists are responsible for FAR more disproportionate pain and suffering than you are aware of. And Christian Zionism is the worst offender. I won't say 'Jews' as Zionists use that religion for cover.

I also don't think Muslims are all good. I think they are human and as character disordered in their own way, as all other humans.

[AutumnW]

And I'll add, there's a lot about the Muslim religion I hate. I also don't like cousin marriage and their intolerance of homosexuality, but, I don't want to see them killed either. Not supporting killing other religions, isn't the same as just loving the heck out of them!

[AutumnW]

You post about Muslim terrorism being the worst in history, and other exaggerations and fear mongering statements. Then follow it up in the next paragraph by saying, "some aspects of Sharia law are practiced in Canada." That's purposely done to create the impression that Canadians are under threat somehow. For most people any aspect of Sharia law following your initial statements, would create mental images of "some aspects" of a hand cut off for theft.

Kind of you to include info about segregated swimming for women, and also consent based civil arbitration as that aspect of "Sharia Law." But, you have to admit, it lacks the punch that you were trying for initially. And, am I supposed to feel sheepish for taking you to task and denying your initial statement? I don't. Maybe you should feel embarrassed for being a manipulative.

[shaberon]

I've been misinformed I guess. I thought Buddhists were all about compassion and sh!t.



You are misinforming yourself by the use of labels.

The most compassionate act I could render is to stop the United States and to blot out this mentality.

The actual payback of justice just for Korea would be to carpet bomb 30% of the population. Then you could take another amount with napalm for Vietnam. And so on. That form is not likely to happen, so I am under a moral obligation to at the very least say something.

I'm going to try to do this nicely, one more time. I'm not going through a thing where we pretend history didn't happen and that humans can be reduced to some categories and checkboxes.

I've tried asking what the motivation is for this, and it is just an "area", or, maybe, an amorphous "culture", but there are serious issues with it.

First of all there is a normal reaction to this same news simply posted as Bondi Massacre 2025 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?130739-Bondi-Massacre-2025). Well, it is from a person in the area. Everything is fine. No panic. As in, no reactionary conversations are being raised, because there isn't really any issue to talk about.



Now first of all for this "area" to exist, the politics are Saudi. As explained, this is a British trick after getting the Arabs (Muslims) to attack the Ottomans (Muslims) from the south. Saud is the House of removing Al Quds from Arabia.

As British -- Zionist as that may be, it is just a facet on synarchy or oligarchy.


The thing you have posted here -- until we can figure out any difference -- is the strategy of modern Fascism.


Joseph Alexandre Saint-Yves d'Alveydre (26 March 1842 – 5 February 1909)

Saint Yves is not ambiguous at all on the question of Islam. In the
{Mission des souverains} he warned about the necessity of its exclusion. He
wrote: "I have indicated the measures to be taken with respect to Islam:" said
Saint Yves," there are very different other ones that the Council of Churches
would have to adopt vis-à-vis Israel. This last one, entangled, but not
regularly associated with all of the works of Christianity, having no armed
political body in opposition to it, like Islam has, should not, without
dangerous iniquity, be treated like the Social State of the Muslims." Saint
Yves argues that there must absolutely be a new alliance between the
Christian nations of Europe and Israel against Islam, even if people object
that it was "the people of Jerusalem who crucified Jesus." (p. 449)

Saint-Yves wrote: "In summation: Israel is a major (player) rallied in
fact to the Empire of Civilization; Islam in a minor (player) armed against
that Empire. We must open to the first the assurance and regular enjoyment
of its right; we must tie the second, willingly or by force, to the Christian
peace everywhere across Africa and Asia."



It's pure Fascism 100%.

It's verbally against the Peace of Westphalia, which it knows was the thinking of early America, which means America's knowledge and values have changed, if no one knows anything about this, and and apparently they don't.

Rockefeller, Fiat, Franco's Spain and the Condor Legion...and so on...and it leaves me curious how many are truly in favor of Fascism.

Threatening me and providing a solution is Fascism. That's what looks like happened here.

It's the doctrine of One World Empire:

...a diatribe against the Treaty of Westphalia. His animosity and
venom were directed against the Westphalia gathering because it had introduced a
principle of the {Advantage of the other, agape}, and failed to establish a Synarchy of
Empire based on {taking advantage of the other}.


Support of the west plus Palestine to the exclusion of the Arabs is Fascism. If this is what anyone thinks, you are a Fascist. Just say so. Things will be simpler that way.

[shaberon]

And I'll add, there's a lot about the Muslim religion I hate. I also don't like cousin marriage and their intolerance of homosexuality, but, I don't want to see them killed either. Not supporting killing other religions, isn't the same as just loving the heck out of them!



That's sort of how I see it. It's Arabian Judaism of an indeterminate rabbinical tradition. What they share is opposition to religions of the stars. The notable difference is not any kind of identifiable theology, but that, unlike Judaism or Christianity, Islam heavily focuses on the Afterlife.

That means with respect to judgment for your deeds.

And with respect to its origins, it is a system of jurisprudence.


It is just like Kievan Rus. Both cases were the invitation of foreign rulers. This was because they had no connections and therefor no favoritism. Both regions were tribal in the sense that law was a matter of contention. Sons would quarrel over inheritance; feuds would go on for various reasons. Over time, people decided it was to their detriment, and of course made them vulnerable to attack.

Russia and Islam started under very similar conditions.


What is interesting is that it refers to Jews as different tribes, who just use a different ritual for the same "client or patron". It specifically gives them equal rights to the converted Islamic tribes. Aside from assigning these rights, the first principle of goodness and justice given in the Constitution of Medina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina) is:



And the believers shall not leave any one, hard-pressed with debts, without affording him some relief, in order that the dealings between the believers be in accordance with the principles of goodness and justice.


What does that mean? It definitely means Heaven and Hell are established in this context. Whenever we see "good" or "it would be better" then failure is Hell. But the first scriptural teaching of Jesus is the same thing. I can turn to either one of these, and look around and I am in a Fascist system which grinds the poor like livestock.

And so this first treaty-like agreement started in Medina and the Jewish tribes backed out and betrayed and attacked the Muslims.

To be taken seriously, it is helpful to have a basic grasp on things and be willing to talk as equals non-denominationally. I say this because I do not believe what any of them believe, except I agree that moment-to-moment choices create Heaven and Hell, and so the social order is important. In most aspects about the material world, we are in a close enough agreement that we can share the planet. Anyone can make a Westphalian Peace with Islam if they can do it inside themselves. The opposite of having it inside is to cease caring about the pain of other beings.

[sdv]

Hate speech in South Africa: most transgressions are committed by whites against blacks. There have also been horrific race motivated beatings and murders, commited by whites against blacks. But, it is a mixed bag: an ambassador (black) published an op ed that was a rant against gay people (methinks he protests a bit too much!) and he was prosecuted for hate speech. He defended humself vigorously and I think he got away with it. Basically, it is only hate speech if someone is inciting violence or harmful discrimination. As you can imagine, judgment on that can be coloured by prejudice of a judge or how clever a person can be in legal arguments.

The formenting of hate and demonization of all Muslims seems to fit the category of hate speech. Perhaps I am being simplistic, but the solution is to focus on the act and not the person commiting the act. Murder is murder, no matter who does the murdering or who is murdered, and why. Who benefits from stirring up Islamaphobia? Most criticsm of Israel is not anti-Semetic, but there are a few stirring up anti-Semitism (notably Netanyahu himself). Who benefits, or are the people doing this just stupid?

[Agape]

I have observed innate difference between "Jewish mentality" vs "Arabic muslim mentality" in tackling everyday problems. Generally speaking of course.

Typical "Jewish" response when confronted with controversial type of situation is to "lie oneself out" best and fast as possible. Every traditional religion forbids violence , especially violence on innocent people. So this is not a problem of "religion" rather a problem of human mentality who got accustomed to creating many "white lies" as form of defense, as means of achievement and many other "decent" walks of life.
Where "decency" requires many artificial enhancements as means of survival,
survival among or in the mirror of vital human force , turns to "narcissistic argument" that can not be well explained to either party ( because "we all" suffer from similar maladies no matter the advancements in medical research ).

Typical "Muslim mentality" in conflict resolution is straight, openly inquisitive, opposed to "hide and seek" and agressive towards "deceit".

So here we have two human characteristics clashing together , mercilessly.

Pathological lies on one side of the plot and short tempered "truthers" on the other side, both "extremely" hurt by the world's injustice towards them.


I don't see how this could flip even in course of next thousand years.

Orthodox Judaism nearly outlived its Time yet it will always be preserved as "religious relic".

1.6 billion Islam is part of "liberal Judaism" since they all share the same Abrahamic roots.

Since they can not "blend" and remaining Jewish populace is predictable on way of steeper decline the rest is a matter of psychological, lawful, and religious Respect and Self Respect.


Trying to "fight by the same means" without giving each other "space to breath" eventually results and will result in mass extinction of religion and many people will comit legally medical suicide of one or another kind.


It's obvious that no one on this planet knows "how to stop it" from happening.


🪔

[norman]

I know at best I'll get no thanks for saying this, but I think Mohamedism was a crock religion from the get go because they were clandestinely conjured up to do the dirty work of slaughtering the people who knew what Jesus was really all about, so a snake cult could get away with launching a fake Christian religion. That was the Roman snake cult's brilliant idea to ward off the encroaching true Christian threat to their crumbling high maintenance empire, convert it to a soft power stealth empire of religiosity and other mind control tricks. They killed two birds with one stone. Pure evil genius.

I've heard two different versions of how Mohamed popped up. One version included him having a child wife. That smells like a useful red herring but could be based on a later mistress/plaything. The other version is that he married a rich Roman trader woman who set him up as the Roman's perfect solution to their "Jesus" problem. That's the version that makes a lot of sense to me nowadays as I've gathered together a lot of information into which it fits perfectly.


Here's the version that makes sense to me.

The founding and possible purpose of Mohammedism.mp3 (https://app.box.com/s/8z3gn2lil76u3f5e0iwef6q9en1fci8l)
https://app.box.com/s/8z3gn2lil76u3f5e0iwef6q9en1fci8l


If this story is the real one it tells me that they are still performing the same function 15 hundred years later but with extra higher ranks of co conspirators with the satanic brotherhood.


Should I now see myself out. I've just slagged off two religions in one go I haven't even started on the other varieties.

Well norm, you've got a thanks from me. :sun:

In terms of whether Islam is a crock religion, I watched several videos earlier this year where Jay Smith dismantles the keystones of Islam on a more science based approach.

I went through the comparative study of religions in stages. In my 20's I was curious as to who the 'Mahdi' was because I had read Dune and it got me thinking...

One of the things I noticed is that each of the three Abrahamic religions told essentially the same "end times" story with the twist that they end up being the "chosen" people.

The Messiah for Judiasm
The Mahdi for Islam
and the Second Coming of Jesus for Christians.

In the Dune books, the Bene Gesserit pre-seed myths into the cultures of planets that can be used to their advantage, if needed. To me, this looked like the "end times" narrative was like someone pre-seeding a myth across and embedded within the Abrahamic religions for some future potential purpose. Sort of like someone hedging their bets.

I don't really see them as prophetic, but more as social engineering.

I also noticed a shift in Muhammed's messaging when he traveled in the desert from Medina to Mecca. It became less focused on peace, and more focused on war and fighting. At the time, I wondered if his original messaging had been high-jacked with the encounter of a being at that time. There is a long history of Djinn in that region.

Earlier this year, I watched a few talks given by Jay Smith, he discusses the modern research into the Quran, Mecca, and Muhammed that essentially dismantles the main tenets of Islam. And complements the information you shared in your audio. For all intents and purposes, it looks like the timelines don't add up, geography doesn't support the Muhammad story, and that it was actually written centuries later than claimed.

I'll leave a link here (https://youtu.be/40DclW84HkM?si=nGyFYV6Nv6kCC85W) for people who would like to take a closer, hopefully more neutral, look at the research he shares. Fair warning, Jay Smith is a Christian missionary, some people may be offended by that. But the research presented is religion neutral. And I think would be quite useful to have in one's knowledge bank.

It may not immediately address the concern of what Mike described as the Muslim problem. The first step is have genuine authentic conversations. If the conversation gets shut down via social judgement and pressures, people cannot move forward.

Also, I think to address the overarching concern, it's helpful to understand how FOG, affects people, (Fear, Obligation, Guilt).

FOG has always played a role in religious control of peoples. But as I'm learning more and more about it's role in the current iteration of jihadi thinking, I can see how it's been amplified, almost like a psyop on the Muslim peoples, making support of jihad an obligation and so on.


Thanks for that link. I won't get into a full report of my own takeaway from it, yet. As you say, it all goes into the mixer.

William Fink has done a lot of digging around in the historic details about Hebrews, Judaeans(so called Jews) and Muslims. The whole of this interview with William is a very high value listen, in my opinion. He pulls apart a few very common mistaken assumptions about, mainly, 'Jews'. His take on the origin of the Muslims seems very credible and not much of a misfit from that audio version I posted. If I join up the origins of the Roman cult with the origins of the Babylonian corruption to the Talmudic version of Hebrew/Abrahamic law they actually fit perfectly and I think Lee Merritt did a decent convincing job of actually doing that a couple years ago.

The interview starts off unpromising but it soon becomes a gripping listen. I suggest to not miss a minute of it but if your time is very tight and you only want to hear the Muslim origin part go straight to around 50 minutes into it.

If you listen to the whole thing the main shocker is that Jesus wasn't a Jew at all. and he explains that very well. He also explains a good case for why John The Baptist had his ministry at the river, which is tightly connected to the reason why Jesus wasn't a Jew.

I know I will do my best not to miss any new interviews with William Fink. He's straightened my own understanding and thinking about this stuff enormously.


The biblical history of the Jews - William Finck

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[Mike]

I've been misinformed I guess. I thought Buddhists were all about compassion and sh!t.



You are misinforming yourself by the use of labels.

The most compassionate act I could render is to stop the United States and to blot out this mentality.

The actual payback of justice just for Korea would be to carpet bomb 30% of the population. Then you could take another amount with napalm for Vietnam. And so on. That form is not likely to happen, so I am under a moral obligation to at the very least say something.

I'm going to try to do this nicely, one more time. I'm not going through a thing where we pretend history didn't happen and that humans can be reduced to some categories and checkboxes.

I've tried asking what the motivation is for this, and it is just an "area", or, maybe, an amorphous "culture", but there are serious issues with it.

First of all there is a normal reaction to this same news simply posted as Bondi Massacre 2025 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?130739-Bondi-Massacre-2025). Well, it is from a person in the area. Everything is fine. No panic. As in, no reactionary conversations are being raised, because there isn't really any issue to talk about.



Now first of all for this "area" to exist, the politics are Saudi. As explained, this is a British trick after getting the Arabs (Muslims) to attack the Ottomans (Muslims) from the south. Saud is the House of removing Al Quds from Arabia.

As British -- Zionist as that may be, it is just a facet on synarchy or oligarchy.


The thing you have posted here -- until we can figure out any difference -- is the strategy of modern Fascism.


Joseph Alexandre Saint-Yves d'Alveydre (26 March 1842 – 5 February 1909)

Saint Yves is not ambiguous at all on the question of Islam. In the
{Mission des souverains} he warned about the necessity of its exclusion. He
wrote: "I have indicated the measures to be taken with respect to Islam:" said
Saint Yves," there are very different other ones that the Council of Churches
would have to adopt vis-à-vis Israel. This last one, entangled, but not
regularly associated with all of the works of Christianity, having no armed
political body in opposition to it, like Islam has, should not, without
dangerous iniquity, be treated like the Social State of the Muslims." Saint
Yves argues that there must absolutely be a new alliance between the
Christian nations of Europe and Israel against Islam, even if people object
that it was "the people of Jerusalem who crucified Jesus." (p. 449)

Saint-Yves wrote: "In summation: Israel is a major (player) rallied in
fact to the Empire of Civilization; Islam in a minor (player) armed against
that Empire. We must open to the first the assurance and regular enjoyment
of its right; we must tie the second, willingly or by force, to the Christian
peace everywhere across Africa and Asia."



It's pure Fascism 100%.

It's verbally against the Peace of Westphalia, which it knows was the thinking of early America, which means America's knowledge and values have changed, if no one knows anything about this, and and apparently they don't.

Rockefeller, Fiat, Franco's Spain and the Condor Legion...and so on...and it leaves me curious how many are truly in favor of Fascism.

Threatening me and providing a solution is Fascism. That's what looks like happened here.

It's the doctrine of One World Empire:

...a diatribe against the Treaty of Westphalia. His animosity and
venom were directed against the Westphalia gathering because it had introduced a
principle of the {Advantage of the other, agape}, and failed to establish a Synarchy of
Empire based on {taking advantage of the other}.


Support of the west plus Palestine to the exclusion of the Arabs is Fascism. If this is what anyone thinks, you are a Fascist. Just say so. Things will be simpler that way.


I don't know what you mean by "area" or "culture" or why you insist on using air quotes all the time. It's confusing. I don't know what any of this means really. Sometimes you're readable for a few sentences before going off to the stars. I feel like I'm reading a first or second gen A.I. that hasn't worked out all the kinks yet. Saint Yves? Peace of Westphalia? You're overshooting the mark by miles man. This is all very straightforward.

Muslims are being forced into western cultures in large numbers. It's causing chaos and violence, and it's eroding western culture. It's a problem. Thus the thread title name: The Muslim Problem. The goal, led by the WEF and the UN in particular (tho we could surely abstract upwards even further if we knew who the deep state globalists were behind the veil) is to establish a one world communist government (woke and ESG and so called degrowth are obvious efforts in this direction. They're all just different names for communism). They've married woke Marxism temporarily to Muslim extremism as a 1-2 punch. What they have in common is a seething hatred of the west. The most obvious impediment to a one world communist government is the west, the U.S. in particular.

Muslims have a disturbing history of aggressive conquest, and we're witnessing its latest iteration right now. It's an obvious and deliberate attempt to destroy and conquer western culture. If desiring an end to this madness makes me a fascist, then I'm a fascist.

You say you don't know what the west is until you wish to criticize it, then suddenly you know all about it. You choose to define the west by it's failures. I think it's a cynical and ungrateful mentality. All cultures have shameful histories to some degree or other, but none boast the remarkable successes of the west, which you and our current crop of oikophobes choose to ignore for reasons I can only speculate about.

[AutumnW]

The US itself, to take it back to early 2000's began the slaughter (Yes, slaughter) of innocents in Iraq in 2003. That war was expanded under Obama (Oh yes, dear, dear Obama) in massive waves of drone strikes throughout Iraq, Pakistan and other Middle Eastern countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFt6vfL9dL4

Under Obama and more to the point, Hillary (Hildebeast) Clinton, Libya was destroyed.

And Syria, ffs, Obama was agitating for regime change and backed it with weapons, again, using unproveable narratives.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BHD_NXIo69g

You could argue that a lot of this was motivated by oil. You could equally argue that it was in the interests of Israel to keep Arab countries weak through constant bombardment.

This is the main reason there are huge waves of immigrants to Western countries in the last few years.

So, don't anybody DARE to hate on Muslim immigrants who are trying to escape war torn countries in the Middle East.

[rgray222]

Some countries have a strong policy towards illegal immigrants, and in particular Muslims. It is estimated that approximately 70%+ of the illegal immigrants entering Russia are Muslim.

Putin has a strong track record of taking action against illegal immigration. His focus has been on targeting criminal activities associated with illegal migrants, and he enjoys solid support from the majority of the Russian people. He has implemented laws that require undocumented workers to either become legal residents (if possible) or leave the country. Additionally, Russia conducts frequent mass raids on migrant workers from Central Asia, these raids span from one end of the country to the other. This happens almost daily at construction sites, markets, and mosques, often involving violence.

The only time that Putin allows an exception is when undocumented immigrants are willing to serve in Russia’s military in exchange for legal status. Unlike Trump, Putin enjoys the backing of approximately 95% of his citizens and faces minimal opposition, as there is no significant political party challenging his authority. Russia has not entirely avoided the issues related to Muslim migration, but they do have it under control (for the time being) with firm, consistent, long-standing policies and laws.

The West struggles to consistently enforce immigration policies due to frequent leadership changes and the dominance of a single political party that strongly advocates for immigration as a way to gain political power.

[rgray222]

John Hilton posted this on the breaking news thread, post #3893 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113363-BREAKING-NEWS-Continuously-Updated&p=1696411&viewfull=1#post1696411)

Ten European countries have started to return Muslims to their home countries

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[Jaak]

Russia and India made deal to bring one million Indians to Russia

Some countries have a strong policy towards illegal immigrants, and in particular Muslims. It is estimated that approximately 70%+ of the illegal immigrants entering Russia are Muslim.

Putin has a strong track record of taking action against illegal immigration. His focus has been on targeting criminal activities associated with illegal migrants, and he enjoys solid support from the majority of the Russian people. He has implemented laws that require undocumented workers to either become legal residents (if possible) or leave the country. Additionally, Russia conducts frequent mass raids on migrant workers from Central Asia, these raids span from one end of the country to the other. This happens almost daily at construction sites, markets, and mosques, often involving violence.

The only time that Putin allows an exception is when undocumented immigrants are willing to serve in Russia’s military in exchange for legal status. Unlike Trump, Putin enjoys the backing of approximately 95% of his citizens and faces minimal opposition, as there is no significant political party challenging his authority. Russia has not entirely avoided the issues related to Muslim migration, but they do have it under control (for the time being) with firm, consistent, long-standing policies and laws.

The West struggles to consistently enforce immigration policies due to frequent leadership changes and the dominance of a single political party that strongly advocates for immigration as a way to gain political power.

Russia is actively recruiting Indian workers to address a severe labour shortage in its industrial sectors, particularly in the Sverdlovsk region, with plans to bring in up to one million skilled workers by the end of 2025.
This initiative, driven by the war in Ukraine and demographic decline, has led to a significant increase in Indian migration to Russia, with some professionals taking up roles in construction, manufacturing, and even street cleaning in cities like St. Petersburg.

Slavic people aint happy about that .

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Kapotnya Oil Refinery, Moscow.

Hundreds of Indian, Vietnamese, Afghan, and Central Asian men in a endless queue for jobs that used to be done by local Russians. The cameraman says it outright: “No local men left.”

Official casualty figures are classified by the Kremlin, but Moscow cannot hide the fact that thousands of Russian men are no longer showing up to work. In a city that is 90+% ethnic ("white") Russian and famously hostile to visible migrant labor, mass replacement by foreigners at a strategic refinery is the loudest possible admission that the male workforce has been bled dry at the front.

[rgray222]

A very close friend of mine is Russian, and she tells me many of the small villages around Russia are devoid of "youngish" men due to the war. These small villages have a hard time bringing foreign labor in because they can't compete with the wages being paid in the cities.

[Mike]

Brit Tommy Robinson breaks it all down in this powerful interview. He's got all the stats, all the receipts, and all the experience to speak on this Muslim disaster authoritatively. He's been on the front lines for years now, and has paid the price for it. A remarkable man, a patriot, courageous, scrappy, highly determined, and on fire with the truth and his current mission. I get goose bumps listening to him speak.

1 hr 15 mins:
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[Losus4]

I'm working for Amazon right now as a seasonal temp, and I'm literally the only white Englishman on the floor. Everyone else is Indian, with a few east Africans. English is rarely spoken, many of my workmates don't even speak English, and have the audacity to speak to me in Indian expecting me to understand it, in Birmingham the UKs second largest city. I've worked there every Christmas for 10 years and this demographic trend—in migrants making up the workforce—has always been the case, but there has been a general shift. 10 years ago it was a mix of whites, eastern Europeans, and British-born Muslims and blacks. Then it shifted to mostly sudanese, Eritreans and Somalis. But today it is all Indian. On a long enough timeline Indians will dominate all. And tbh I think this is preferable to a Muslim/African majority. Indians are fairly affable and decent people, and don't carry the chip on their shoulder that lots of Muslims and blacks do. But yeah the future is definitely Indian in regard to mass immigration to Western nations.

[SilentFeathers]

No matter how you look at it or what your opinions are about about this, it will not end well.

https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/2004705403616256249

[lunaflare]

Katie Hopkins lived in South Africa to produce a documentary (2018)about criminal black gangs systematically murdering white farmers. I have not watched it, but I have listened to Katie being interviewed about the TOTAL media blackout surrounding this issue. She has subsequently been banned from re-entering South Africa and has written a book with the same title.

Here is her take on Amazon:

Plaasmoorde: The Killing Fields is a world-first — it started as a documentary that goes well beyond polite interviews in safe places and deep into uncomfortable places, where the heart of the truth lives. I have now chronicled my personal experience while making this groundbreaking film. It includes first-hand interviews with active farm attackers and serving police officers who confirm that corrupt police are complicit in the mass slaughter of South Africa’s whites.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Plaasmoorde-Killing-Fields-Katie-Hopkins/dp/0995016844#:~:text=Book%20overview,Read%20more

Plaasmoorde: The Killing Fields. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjBu6VZWE7k

[Agape]

More I think about it , it's because they try to "cancel" God ( Infinity ) in the equation and limit natural evolution of human potential.

The natural course of human evolution on Earth no matter how diverse we are is to co-educate, that is learn from each other and in better case, co-operate , help each other instead just "exploiting, ignoring, criticising and condemning".

Centuries of indoctrination by powerful ideologies and empires seems to have left most people nearly soul-less. The rest could have been engineered in Yale and impressed on average man without force.
The remaining "soul power" is granted or taken from man by a blueprinted stamped paper. Or even a long number in today's digital terms.

In natural evolution process , the US could turn out (as good as) religious state, perhaps the most advanced spiritual experiment of humanity. The Temple of Humanity rather than the Triumph over the rest.

If natural process of human evolution is allowed poorly developed and former colonial countries would be on par technologically and socially , simply because "we all have potential".

If you "cancel God" you have cancelled every religion and belief in Earth , in the heads and hearts of believers.

Billions of people believe in...multiple dimensions, ancestral realms, sacred worlds above and below and them and their ancestors used to "talk to them" every day , now and then as a part of their life.

And vice versa.

Facing this new turmulous era of human trans-formation , transformation from tribal primitive consciousness through various "national" and other "higher pact" and "blog" consciousnesses we may eventually arrive at the real and realised "planetary human" , Citizen of the Universe , some day.


So far we have failed .

Even the smartest humans wanted to be the King and the First in the vast scopes of Galaxy which isn't really possible , instead being just Citizen.

So you better have well dressed assemblies of monarchs and patriarchs competing "for the One".

Everyone else , following the faux pas on the top left to grandma and "back to country".

[SilentFeathers]

How ironic, and very symbolic; New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani being sworn in by Letitia James using a Quran in an abandoned tunnel. (A preview of things to come).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G9mBZeXWYAATfYS?format=jpg&name=medium

[shaberon]

Sometimes you're readable for a few sentences before going off to the stars. I feel like I'm reading a first or second gen A.I. that hasn't worked out all the kinks yet. Saint Yves? Peace of Westphalia? You're overshooting the mark by miles man. This is all very straightforward.

Muslims are being forced into western cultures in large numbers. It's causing chaos and violence, and it's eroding western culture. It's a problem. Thus the thread title name: The Muslim Problem. The goal, led by the WEF and the UN in particular (tho we could surely abstract upwards even further if we knew who the deep state globalists were behind the veil) is to establish a one world communist government (woke and ESG and so called degrowth are obvious efforts in this direction. They're all just different names for communism). They've married woke Marxism temporarily to Muslim extremism as a 1-2 punch. What they have in common is a seething hatred of the west. The most obvious impediment to a one world communist government is the west, the U.S. in particular.



Okay. This is a slightly different explanation. Your peeve or major complaint is:


One World Communist Government


This is recognizable; the potential strategy and reaction against it follow a definite track of development.

Part of that, for example, is Lyndon LaRouche; he took some essentially true and useful information, and re-branded it in a type of pyramid scheme that could be summarized as:


Everybody against the Communists.


This is of course subsequent to McCarthyism, which comes on the heels of many early 1900s Americans being livid about Bolshevism.

Coming from that time frame, I personally have handled a FRN from the 1920s, when they were printed with the bank of issuance:


Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago


above which, someone wrote in penmanship of the time:


Bolshevik



The Federal Reserve System is or is not what is being decried now?





Muslims have a disturbing history of aggressive conquest, and we're witnessing its latest iteration right now. It's an obvious and deliberate attempt to destroy and conquer western culture. If desiring an end to this madness makes me a fascist, then I'm a fascist.



Culture and religion are not politics. The "western culture" so far lacks identification or definition.



You say you don't know what the west is until you wish to criticize it, then suddenly you know all about it. You choose to define the west by it's failures. I think it's a cynical and ungrateful mentality. All cultures have shameful histories to some degree or other, but none boast the remarkable successes of the west, which you and our current crop of oikophobes choose to ignore for reasons I can only speculate about.


I don't know what your version of "western culture" is.

From the objective view, the "western area" was violently overtaken by Rome and Catholicism and went into basically a one-book dark age for about a thousand years.

Only from around the 1500s do you get a slow, delicate trickle of any other ideas.

Then Catholics and Protestants kill each other for what they think; then there is a witch hunt to kill anyone for thinking outside this box.

I thought we were temporarily successful in early America about getting away from those situations, and then we warned that the Constitution would create a consolidated government which would lead to new abuses of power, which it has.

How am I supposed to complain about Muslims fleeing war-torn regions when that is exactly the reason I live on this continent?

I have no problem objecting to "One World Government" communist or otherwise, it's just not with an existential fear of Islam or by preserving a "culture" that I either cannot identify or would probably rather avoid. If I had been raised in an Orthodox domain, I might have turned out differently, but this seems to be excluded from "the west", or it at least is a completely different system from the Roman one. I had to find it for myself, as if it were being shunned from the human knowledge base.

I understand it may be a little weird that from around the 1990s, there are a lot of Asians and Africans appearing in Scandinavia instead of being confined to France. These are complex issues. It does not seem to me that this lump-sum labeling thing is the way to handle it. But, yes, that's exactly what St-Yves said: Islam is inferior and the Judeo-Christian west must evict them from Palestine. I don't see why it is irrelevant that French and British governments pursued exactly this strategy, that merely leads to this Muslim diaspora of later days. We have gotten him quoted verbatim as if it just tumbled out of the sky on its own, as some new discovery. This idea caused those results, and the complaint is communism?

[Matthew]

...

So, don't anybody DARE to hate on Muslim immigrants who are trying to escape war torn countries in the Middle East.

Hate on them? Why would I hate on them? My eyes are wide open, I see things you're sheltered from and I adapt my bias. You make it sound like it's a paranoid emotionally driven thing.

If they're fleeing war-torn countries why don't the women and children come en-mass? Why don't they arrive on a plane with a passport and declare refugee status? Instead it's a whole bunch of young men paying serious money to avoid passport checks, and women and children are so very rare.

Don't forget I'm not going on press reports, I've seen inside migrant hotels. I've seen the nice migrants and the nasty ones. It's not exceptional to find really nice people there but let me burst your bubble: it's not exceptional to find murderous ones. What would you know? It wouldn't be an issue if it were women and children were fleeing war torn countries. That's not what's going on. What I love to see is Christian migrants coming to church, fired up on Jesus. Sometimes it makes the terrible situation worthwhile.

You haven't seen the problem up close and personal like I have. Sorry to put it like this but you don't know what you're talking about.

[norman]

More I think about it , it's because they try to "cancel" God ( Infinity ) in the equation and limit natural evolution of human potential.

The natural course of human evolution on Earth no matter how diverse we are is to co-educate, that is learn from each other and in better case, co-operate , help each other instead just "exploiting, ignoring, criticising and condemning".

Centuries of indoctrination by powerful ideologies and empires seems to have left most people nearly soul-less. The rest could have been engineered in Yale and impressed on average man without force.
The remaining "soul power" is granted or taken from man by a blueprinted stamped paper. Or even a long number in today's digital terms.

In natural evolution process , the US could turn out (as good as) religious state, perhaps the most advanced spiritual experiment of humanity. The Temple of Humanity rather than the Triumph over the rest.

If natural process of human evolution is allowed poorly developed and former colonial countries would be on par technologically and socially , simply because "we all have potential".

If you "cancel God" you have cancelled every religion and belief in Earth , in the heads and hearts of believers.

Billions of people believe in...multiple dimensions, ancestral realms, sacred worlds above and below and them and their ancestors used to "talk to them" every day , now and then as a part of their life.

And vice versa.

Facing this new turmulous era of human trans-formation , transformation from tribal primitive consciousness through various "national" and other "higher pact" and "blog" consciousnesses we may eventually arrive at the real and realised "planetary human" , Citizen of the Universe , some day.


So far we have failed .

Even the smartest humans wanted to be the King and the First in the vast scopes of Galaxy which isn't really possible , instead being just Citizen.

So you better have well dressed assemblies of monarchs and patriarchs competing "for the One".

Everyone else , following the faux pas on the top left to grandma and "back to country".


Yes, we will always fail as long as we dig our ego heels in and insist that we can get it right all on our ownsome by "Learning From Each Other", yea that's a bright idea . . . . . not.

Our intelligent adversary very much wants us to think we can though. Cancelling god, in this context, is the intellect assuming that a more perfectly polished turd can pass itself off as the source of the light it sparkles with.

Not gonna happen, no way, never. A turd is a turd.

[shaberon]

I'm going to respond to this again, because, despite it being triggered by a Muslim incident, and people, I guess, not liking the religion, the view being presented renders them as useful idiots rather than the actual culprits.


I see today the Australians are spitting on Muslim women. I'm glad that they didn't "9/11" it, but, it may not be perfectly tranquil either.


If we don't focus on the bias issues, it appears to me the main thing Mike is saying is:



The goal, led by the WEF and the UN in particular (tho we could surely abstract upwards even further if we knew who the deep state globalists were behind the veil) is to establish a one world communist government...


Okay. World Economic Forum is a relatively recent private think tank. He can have a goal. He's allowed to do that. I don't have to like it; he can do whatever he wants.

I'm not sure you can say the United Nations has a goal, other than what is in its charter, because it is made of disparate groups. The meaning could apply to long-standing vested interests that attempt to maintain pressure on it, such as even the agencies that formulated it. It happens to be in the eleventh hour before the die was cast, maneuvers were done to bring Nazi Argentina into the fold and invent the phrase "collective security agreement", which is grandfathered straight in to the basis of NATO.

Mike did not actually say it was a communist government operating through the UN, which was in the process of becoming this "world communist government", in fact this part has been left rather blank.

This is a case where I would suggest both views are correct.

The underlying architecture of the UN is built of literal Nazis and directly inspirational to the Fascist NATO. Fascism is present and included, but no one has said we're going to broadly spread Nazism or use someone similarly violent as a role model. It's not. It's above and beyond you.

Therefore, not the United Nations itself -- as in everyone in the world -- but, vested interests influential and informative to it, have effectively and already created a system of two laws:



Fascism and Capitalism for the Patricians

Communism for everyone else



I used to have a lot of people tell me "I like capitalism, I'm glad we have it," but actually you are not a capitalist. You can't be. It means your primary mode of engagement is the investment of capital. It includes banking categorically, and large industries -- if you took a loan to start a small business, you are not a capitalist, you have probably just been exploited by one. Laws about capital gains or inheritance or offshore regulations have nothing to do with you.

The main difference with eastern governments that bear the name "Communism" is that this is the Hard Kill variety. You go with the program, or you're taken out. The sublimated form in the US and UK is a form of Soft Kill Communism. We'll keep you sick and generally prevent you from achieving a full flowering of anything.


Sometimes it's been said the Jesuits invented all the "-isms". These are just ways of talking; they're not really anything real; malleable words. I am using them broadly, and not according to what Marx said in which appendix, or any of that kind of technical fleecing which will exhaust itself trying to explain how Democratic Nepal is run by Communists. The term "Communism" doesn't literally apply to America, and you would say Britain is "Socialist", but once you realize you never will be a capitalist, you are just labor, where does that leave you.



Despite the fact that the OP does not like excessive historical allusions, we are re-living the issues of the French Revolution.

We haven't worked it out, because, by shelving Westphalia, treaties and geo-politics never addressed and resolved conflicts, they deal with the fallout and consequences.



Alright. I wouldn't say the consequence that sparked this thread does not exist. There is such a thing as Muslim migration, and, I can believe there are packs of dangerous looking guys, but you should see the Americans. We have plenty of this in our own natural citizens. In one of those nice neighborhoods, you won't see it, but for example Kensington Park where one of our members apparently used to live. That's not even what I would call "bad" because it was mostly a bunch of derelicts. Where I'm from, the teachers used to stand around in fence cages, because that was a really dangerous job.


A major issue when we look at rushes of sudden migrants, how much of that was due to a US attack or similar interference.


For "internally displaced persons", according to statistics (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/top-statistics-global-migration-migrants):

Since 2000, the forcibly displaced population has tripled from approximately 38 million (see Figure 4).

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_charts/fe-2025-globalfrs-fig4-humanitarian.png




That's not really true is it? It tripled since 2011.



Well, it's a big world, we've greatly modified forms of travel since my ancestors were such emigrants on sailboats. And so the thing is, the UN does not determine America's immigration policy. America does. When it was a new country, it was completely standard at the time for Europeans to assume that white Christians were superior to anyone, such as the Native Americans. Without addressing this grievance, overall, this was the decision of the WASP predecessors:


Congress restricted naturalized citizenship to "white persons" in 1790



They've formed this legislative body on the east coast (not including Florida).

This means they had no authority on the west coast for quite some time.


The American continent was already "pioneered" by India (https://www.saada.org/explore/publications/tides/articles/legacies-of-the-1965-immigration-act):


South Asians [like Mirrha Catarina de San Juan, previously profiled in Tides] traveled to the colonial New Spain (Mexico) as early as the 1500s and began to arrive in the United States as early as 1820. Although their numbers were small, as historian Vivek Bald has shown, there were South Asian communities scattered across the United States by the early 20th century. Mass migration to Canada in the early 1900s led to a southward movement to the United States. South Asians, mostly Punjabi Sikh male laborers, worked in the lumber mills, railroads, and farms up and down the Pacific Coasts of Canada and the United States. They joined other immigrants from China, Japan, and Korea, and like these groups, were targeted by anti-Asian xenophobes who were convinced that Asian immigrants were a threat to the U.S.


The 1911 U.S. Immigration Commission identified South Asians as the “least desirable race of immigrants thus far admitted to the United States."


Currently (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/fifty-years-1965-immigration-and-nationality-act-continues-reshape-united-states):



The Indian diaspora, for example—numbering 3.8 million—is significantly higher educated, more likely to be employed, and has a higher household income compared to the U.S. population as a whole.


It was a very long time before they were considered actually human.


From the run-up to the Act of 1965 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965):



There was a large influx of immigration from Asia in the Western region—especially from China, whose workers provided cheap labor.

The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 stanched the inflow of Chinese immigrants, and the Immigration Act of 1917 imposed a language proficiency requirement for new immigrants, which greatly reduced immigration from outside of northwest Europe.



It's an understatement. The livelihood of our westward-expanding settlements depended on the Chinese to make the railroads. They were technically not slaves since they were paid fifty cents a month.

I, personally, owe my existence to these China-built railroads, despite not much thanks being given.


Strangely, before immigration law becomes more liberal, it gets more restrictive.

The turn of the twentieth century unleashed the doctrine of Eugenics, and:



...the national origins quotas, which had been enacted during the 1920s in a deliberate attempt to limit the entry of Southern and Eastern European immigrants—or more specifically Jews from the Russian Pale and Catholics from Poland and Italy, groups at the time deemed “unassimilable.”.


Racism at the time was fervent enough that the British had called the Dutch and Germans "animals" to promote the Boer War.

But that policy is also what -- it's a sort of proto-Communist ban. Why?


Visibly, there was a conflict where the Jews of New York boycotted goods from Germany.



The National Socialist Handbook for Law and Legislation of 1934–35, edited by the lawyer Hans Frank, contains a pivotal essay by Herbert Kier on the recommendations for race legislation which devoted a quarter of its pages to U.S. legislation, including race-based citizenship laws, anti-miscegenation laws, and immigration laws. Adolf Hitler wrote of his admiration of America's immigration laws in Mein Kampf, saying:

The American Union categorically refuses the immigration of physically unhealthy elements, and simply excludes the immigration of certain races.


By this point, many if not most Americans already associated Jews with Bolshevism and/or communist ideology. There was awareness that maybe not *all* of them are so, which is why American Fascists rejected the "antisemitic" tag. But as much as some could be excused, others were viewed with suspicion, and boycotting Germany in New York was probably one of the biggest levers paving the way for Hitler and for the anti-Communist platform.




"Communism" is a specialized "Socialism" which is primarily British in origin, and was pushed to Russia and China and East Asia; a premise of this doctrine is the elimination of monarchy. Most religions are about endorsing monarchs. Removing them is not a necessary feature of "revolution". This is recognizable in the world's first suicide bombing of Tsar Alexander II, which had preparations reaching as far back as the 1870s. Although it did not yet have the name, Communism, it is the same trend of foreign interference that ran for about forty years until the fate of the Romanovs.



There in New York around the 1930s comes some of the most dangerous material ever printed.


I'm not sure if anyone notices how close Alice Bailey is the the UN. She is like St-Yves on steroids. Notable as the spine of the whole thing is Ecumenical Papistry. However it is cloaked in phrases like One World Government and One World Religion.

Over the course of some nineteen massive tomes, this is garbled in one of the worst presentations of pseudo-theosophy culminating in 1949 Externalization of the Hierarchy which proclaims no less than the coming regent of all the one-ness is Jesus as Pope.

By this time, of course, all sorts of fantasies have been published by all sorts of weirdos, none of whom can claim to the the bedrock of the UN. This is actually a big deal. It may have been somewhat "behind the scenes" but this is really a virulent dispute within the American populace; for example, the John Birch Society hates it. It's closer to the Council on Foreign Relations, which they also hate.


But this is developing an image of America as prejudiced.


Voices against immigration restrictions came, naturally, through the United Nations. It can't enforce anything, but, it conveys some degree of influence.

Kennedy gave his support:


after being convinced to do so by the Anti-Defamation League.


As usual, the questions of "equal rights" are boisterously answered by the Jews, essentially upon whose coattails ride American blacks, and then every type of minority. Martin Luther King was a firm Zionist. So it is a primarily Jewish suggestion that America relax its policies. That's 1965. If you don't like opening the borders, you would blame the Jews and be a fervent anti-semite or at least not a Zionist. It's a very Hitlerian view. But this is very normal, and outnumbered American Communism by 4 : 1 or more.




The bill received wide support from both northern Democratic and Republican members of Congress, but strong opposition mostly from Southern Democrats.

...many lobbyists and organizations, such as the Daughters of the American Revolution and the Baltimore Anti-Communistic League, came to the hearing to explain their opposition. Many of the opposition believed that this bill would be against American welfare. The common argument that they used was that if the government allowed more immigrants into the United States, more employment opportunities would be taken away from the American workforce.


So, there is a vociferous Anti-Communist League, but what happened to the noise about financial swindles like the Federal Reserve and Social Security? The pills seem to have been swallowed.


Around this time, the "Communist threat" caused the United States to commit atrocities in Korea and Vietnam. We're trying to open the door to immigration by an alleged communist scheme, while actually devastating entire populations. I find it unforgivable.



Soon after the "gooks" or "reds", the "migratory problem" was Mexico, and the reaction had inverted consequences (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3407978/):



The increase in illegal migration from 1965 through the late 1970s is critically important to understanding the dynamics of policy responses in the years that followed, however, for it was this development that enabled political activists and bureaucratic entrepreneurs to frame Latino immigration as a grave threat to the nation.

The hypothesized causal chain begins with rising undocumented entries, which generate more apprehensions, which are then transformed into a conservative anti-immigrant reaction through the activities of entrepreneurial politicians, ambitious bureaucrats, and elements of the media, and this reaction, in turn, generates more restrictive immigration laws and border operations, which increase the number of Border Patrol agents and the size of the Border Patrol budget, which ultimately produce more linewatch hours, which generates more apprehensions. The effect of the feedback—what might be termed the “enforcement loop”—is to increase the conservative reaction independently of the actual number of illegal entries.


...the associated rise in apprehensions offered aspiring politicians an opportunity to mobilize voters and entrepreneurial bureaucrats a chance to obtain status and resources by framing illegal migration as a grave threat to the United States. These actors portrayed the undocumented inflow as a crisis, framing it as a “tidal wave” threatening to “flood” the country and “drown” its society, or as an “alien invasion” that threatened national security, defined with reference first to the Cold War and then to the war on terrorism.


The "legal" ratio went way up, but, so did the total number. That's just because of eliminating the racism and allowing "non-whites". If the intent was to dampen the flow, it went backwards, and in the meantime, fostered sensationalized journalism, so we reinforce thinking in these hyper-reactive ways. By now the country is of about 20% recent Mexican origin, but somehow the "threat" is gone, and/or there has not been a "Hispanization" of the helpless WASPS.



Around then, when the U. S. funds Islamic extremism, there is Islamic extremism.

We couldn't develop a natural historical relationship because they were not allowed, like most everyone else.


It leaves us in a bind. We're still trying to figure out what is "fair" between "different" groups of people, but we have actually committed the most heinous violence the world has ever seen. In a moral sense, the federal entity deserves what it dished out. That would be fair. Despite all the "threats" raised every so often, we are the threat. I will never support a large standing army, let alone any kind of force projection which seems to be our raison d'etre. This place was not militarized until World War One, we were looking at why we were outgunned by the Chilean Navy. It has attempted to rig the world on dollar dependency by placing all these foreign bases. At this top level, this is pretty much a Fascist country.


On the other hand, the "Communist alternative" we have been given is based on Ecumenical Papism.

That is practically from St-Yves to the Pope, re-iterated by Bailey in the ruckus and formation of the UN. I would say it is Jesuitical, or, the Jesuits are the "globalists", and this is a modified strategy for the twentieth century. It looks or has a communistic effect, but, is a tool of Fascists. I'm trying to explain this because I certainly had a phase where I was a devotee of the One World stuff. I personally renounced it because I figured out the underlying political problems with it; actually un-learning the intellectual esoterism was more difficult.


That's why I'm not on either side of it, and conclude the western-manufactured "-isms" are inadequate and unnecessary, if not unreal. They will remain real enough as long as someone keeps turning to them.

The "threat" idea has been pulled too many times, and it won't affect me or I am not concerned about Islam, and, I'm out of sympathy for our "Federal" entity, which isn't federal at all but nationalistic.

I will avidly hack at the "One World" anything, which would in turn lambast most western political systems, or the financial system of the BIS and petro-dollar. That did not come from Islam or any external source.


Finally, though, the concern of "One" is no longer credible either. Main reason is that the actions of the United States has gotten it to be rejected in very many places it was once desired. So, rather than a UN world government with the US either leading or subordinate to it, what is forming is a broad coalition of independent Islamic and communist countries that actually are the future of development, with everything Zionist shunned and avoided. This has already happened. The time of some kind of influence running through the United Nations so that anyone would surrender their sovereignty to it is over.


One of the main points of contention in all of these arguments is private property. It's absolutely vital for Capitalism, and is diminished or eliminated in other systems. The Patrician law has it so that you can transmit this to ensure your grandchildren's future, and you have no need to care if this form of hoarding caused hardship to other people.

As I see it, the only and necessary function of government is to protect the masses from this kind of exploitation. But the duty could be performed by an absolute monarch. The only kind of social contract I would want to enter into, is based on this principle, which in itself does not require any particular form of government.

[rgray222]

One of the main points of contention in all of these arguments is private property. It's absolutely vital for Capitalism, and is diminished or eliminated in other systems. The Patrician law has it so that you can transmit this to ensure your grandchildren's future, and you have no need to care if this form of hoarding caused hardship to other people.

As I see it, the only and necessary function of government is to protect the masses from this kind of exploitation. But the duty could be performed by an absolute monarch. The only kind of social contract I would want to enter into, is based on this principle, which in itself does not require any particular form of government.

For the sake of brevity, I did not include Shaberon's full post, see the last post on the previous page for more detail.

Ultimately, I believe you are correct that effective governance should focus primarily on protecting people from exploitation, but in reality, governments often operate differently. Regarding the idea of a one-world government, I believe we are rapidly moving in that direction, with immigration playing a significant role in this process.

I don't share your enthusiasm that the United States is a fascist government. I agree it is heavily militarized and influenced by financial and geopolitical interests. I see this more as a necessity driven by strategic concerns rather than pure greed. The post-World War II international order shifted global military power significantly, with the United States emerging as the dominant military force. It wasn't happenstance, but that is how it turned out.

I also agree that independent coalitions of Islamic and communist countries are likely to challenge the current global order. Over time, these coalitions have and will continue to lead to a multipolar world order. That same multipolar world order is rapidly transforming into a bipolar world order dominated by the USA and China. The bipolarization of the world is the last station before the world consolidates into a single, unified global government. I see it is inevitable.

[Matthew]

Bias isn't insane. It can be rational and objective. It doesn't mean a biased person unfairly judges any individual. Go on about the WEF all you want shaberon the problem is the detail of the islamic ideology, and its saving grace is that we see people who don't follow it correctly, or dogmatically lie about for your comfort

[petra]

I once asked a Muslim why they pray so much, like is that really necessary
The answer was a YES so firm that it sent shudders through me
What is it they know that we don't? Isn't the jinni problem more relevant than the Muslim problem?

Personally, I think Muslim people are a Godsend. They're like a "wall of Muslims" helping protect us from evil and one day I think people will realize and respect that

Real Muslims are evolved spiritually, not to be confused with pretend ones that just intend to cause harm.

[Matthew]

Hey petra, islamism isn't asking you what defines islamism. It's been defined already and the best thing that could happen is they deviate from it, like these two examples below:

Two British born Muslims, one woman and one man, talk about Islam and it's compatibility with the west - forwarded from another thread, posted months ago:



British born Muslim woman shares her point of view.


Premiered 7 hours ago by heretics, YouTube.

I sit down with Lubna Fahran, host of Candid with Lubna and former The Apprentice UK contestant under Lord Alan Sugar. Lubna opens up about her shocking experiences: from death threats and being told she should be killed, to her journey navigating faith, freedom, and identity in Britain today.
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In sequel of the above here's a British Muslim man, who came to the UK in his mid teens, sharing his point of view; Ben Habib talks about Islam and the UK at the Oxford Union:

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YouTube link (https://youtu.be/fmdRdFmKWSo?feature=shared)


Ben Habib speaks in proposition of the motion that This House Believes Islam is Incompatible with Democracy.

This is the seventh speaker of eight.

Mr Habib served as Co-Deputy Leader of Reform UK from 2023 until July 2024. He was elected the Brexit Party Member of the European Parliament in the 2019 European elections until Britain's withdrawal from the European Union. He is the Chief Executive of First Property Group, a commercial property investment and fund management company.

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ABOUT THE OXFORD UNION SOCIETY: The Oxford Union is the world's most prestigious debating society, with an unparalleled reputation for bringing international guests and speakers to Oxford. Since 1823, the Union has been promoting debate and discussion not just in Oxford University, but across the globe.

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The deceit of islam is well documented on one hand but also in play on the other. What can I say except read more and listen to opinions of converted islamsists. Good luck!

[petra]

I guess I have a degree of bias. I like Muslims

[sdv]

Muslims in the UK give four times as much to charity than other Brits. It is one of the obligations of Islam that you give to charity. What is really interesting is that all those donations used to be sent abroad but are now increasingly and notably being used in the UK to help with homelessness, mental health issues, food security, etc. and are being given to all those in need, not just Muslims.

[Losus4]

I guess I have a degree of bias. I like Muslims

Most people in this thread criticising Islam and/or multiculturalism have met or know decent Muslims whom they like. The issue is Islam as a collective in the West. Liking Muslims/Islam does not equate to also being OK with them demographically replacing you.

[rgray222]

This is a phenomenal article that clearly shows that the UAE has restricted government funding for Emirati students studying in the UK, citing concerns over Islamist radicalisation within the UK university system. A good deal of this stems from the UK's refusal to ban the Muslim Brotherhood. This move reflects escalating tensions rooted in broader disputes over terrorism. When Muslims recoginize this problem it should force the rest of the world to wake up.

UAE restricts funding for UK studies amid concerns over Muslim Brotherhood

The UAE has restricted government funding for students studying in the UK, citing concerns over radicalisation and tensions linked to the Muslim Brotherhood

https://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2023-08/23/full/1692768293-2512.jpg?im=FitAndFill=(826,465)

The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has limited government funding for its citizens who wish to study at universities in the United Kingdom (UK), signalling growing tensions between the two countries. The move is linked to long-standing differences over the UK’s decision not to ban the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood group, the Financial Times reported.

Abu Dhabi recently excluded British universities from a list of global institutions eligible for state scholarships. The decision affects Emirati students who rely on government funding to study abroad and marks another strain in ties between the two long-time allies.

UK universities missing from approved list

In June last year, the UAE’s higher education ministry published a list of international universities whose degrees would be recognised and whose students would qualify for state scholarships. The reforms aimed to restrict funding to institutions considered among the best globally. The list included universities in the US, Australia, France and Israel. However, UK universities were not included.


The news report quoted sources as saying that this decision reflects the UAE's concerns about what it sees as the risk of Islamist radicalisation on British university campuses.

The UK has been a popular study destination for Emirati students, who benefit from generous state scholarships. However, federal funding for new students heading to the UK had already been reduced even before June, the news report said. Students already enrolled have continued to receive support.

In the year ending September 2025, only 213 Emirati students were granted UK study visas. This was down 27 per cent from the previous year and 55 per cent lower than in 2022.

The UAE has also said it will not recognise degrees from institutions not on its approved list, diminishing the value of UK qualifications for Emiratis.

Radicalisation fears behind the decision

When UK officials asked about the absence of British universities, UAE officials made it clear that the omission was deliberate. The news report quoted a source as saying that they said it was not an “oversight”.

“[The UAE] don’t want their kids to be radicalised on campus,” the source said.

Official UK data shows that in the 2023-24 academic year, 70 students at UK universities were reported for possible referral to the government’s Prevent deradicalisation programme due to signs of “Islamist radicalisation”. This was nearly double the number reported the previous year, out of a total higher education population of almost 3 million students, the news report said.

Dispute over Muslim Brotherhood

The UAE has been taking a tough stance against Islamist movements at home and abroad. Under President Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan, Abu Dhabi has repeatedly questioned why the UK has not banned the Muslim Brotherhood.

A UK government review in 2015 found that the group had not been linked to terrorist activity in or against Britain. Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s government said last year that the issue remains under “close review”.

Nigel Farage, leader of the Reform UK party, has promised to ban the Muslim Brotherhood if he becomes prime minister. The UAE government funded Farage’s visit to the country last year, according to a recent Financial Times report.

Wider strains

The scholarship decision follows other disputes, including disagreements over an Abu Dhabi-backed bid to buy The Daily Telegraph, allegations over UAE involvement in Sudan -- which it denies -- and a legal case involving Emirati-owned Manchester City football club.

This comes even as UK universities continue to expand in the UAE, with campuses in Dubai run by institutions such as the University of Manchester and Heriot-Watt University.

https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/uae-government-funding-uk-universities-radicalisation-muslim-brotherhood-126010900280_1.html

[Matthew]

Muslims in the UK give four times as much to charity than other Brits. It is one of the obligations of Islam that you give to charity. What is really interesting is that all those donations used to be sent abroad but are now increasingly and notably being used in the UK to help with homelessness, mental health issues, food security, etc. and are being given to all those in need, not just Muslims.

Awesome isn't it? If you've seen my previous posts I've frequently said the best thing that could happen to islam is that it's watered down by western Christian cultures. Look at what Palestinians actually think of 'Gays for Palestine' it might burst your bubble. The video I posted above by Lubna Fahran is a great example of a westernised Muslim, and she also educates you (or tries to) about the danger of untamed islam. Ignore this at your peril! She's risking her life for your benefit, the least you could do is watch the video. Sadly the watered down islamist get a harsh treatment as and when the islam revolutions happen. Look what happened at Iran in when the islamist revolution happened, and ditto with the Lebanon. History can repeat itself make no mistake. Getting yourself clued up is your responsibility. Westernised Muslims are awesome but that's not islam, it's deviation from islam and I'm so happy when I see a Muslim woman walking on her own down the street.

[rgray222]

Muslims in the UK give four times as much to charity than other Brits. It is one of the obligations of Islam that you give to charity. What is really interesting is that all those donations used to be sent abroad but are now increasingly and notably being used in the UK to help with homelessness, mental health issues, food security, etc. and are being given to all those in need, not just Muslims.

Awesome isn't it? If you've seen my previous posts I've frequently said the best thing that could happen to islam is that it's watered down by western Christian cultures. Look at what Palestinians actually think of 'Gays for Palestine' it might burst your bubble. The video I posted above by Lubna Fahran is a great example of a westernised Muslim, and she also educates you (or tries to) about the danger of untamed islam. Ignore this at your peril! She's risking her life for your benefit, the least you could do is watch the video. Sadly the watered down islamist get a harsh treatment as and when the islam revolutions happen. Look what happened at Iran in when the islamist revolution happened, and ditto with the Lebanon. History can repeat itself make no mistake. Getting yourself clued up is your responsibility. Westernised Muslims are awesome but that's not islam, it's deviation from islam and I'm so happy when I see a Muslim woman walking on her own down the street.

Matthew

I agree with your statement but we cannot have the full on Islamic verision nor full on Western insanity. The worldview and beliefs of most people should ideally fall somewhere between tolerance and understanding. What used to be called common sense.

[petra]

I dunno about you guys but I'm itching for the so called Judgement Day and judging by what's going on in this thread we aren't far off

[petra]

Everyone can agree that rape is evil. And any culture/religion that has normalized it should be kept at a great distance, and be monitored closely (and not brought in in great numbers to countries with an entirely different value set)

This right here is the root of the problem imho

To quote the movie The General's Daughter, "what's worse than rape?". Spoiler alert the answer is Betrayal

[Matthew]

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Matthew

I agree with your statement but we cannot have the full on Islamic verision nor full on Western insanity. The worldview and beliefs of most people should ideally fall somewhere between tolerance and understanding. What used to be called common sense.

We can dream, no issues with that. Give me western civilisation over islamic civilisation any day of the week. UAE have evolved recently but as I understand it, it's still not as good as living in the USA when l look at the detail. Easy to take what we have for granted. I'm certainly not saying the USA is Heaven. Hopefully people will watch the videos I posted, take a closer look at Palestinians views of Gays for Palestine, and not avoid looking at the effect of importing islamic sexual values to the UK. Don't blame me, I don't want to think about it either. Middle ground for me is that Muslims abandon some of their islamic dogma when living in Christian countries which mercifully does happen