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Shezbeth
3rd February 2011, 20:45
This is a verbatim e-mail I received. It comes from a Firearm Education group in CA. It's bias is obvious, but the information seems pertinent. When they refer to gun owners, they mean 'legal registered'.

Doctors

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.

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Now think about this:
Guns

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188
Statistics courtesy of FBI

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So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

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Pamela
3rd February 2011, 21:15
I researched the email and found this:

"Doctors Are More Dangerous Than Gun Owners-Humorous Fiction!


Summary of the eRumor:
The forwarded email compares the rate of accidental deaths between physicians and gun owners and concludes that rate of accidental deaths per physician is much higher than the rate of accidental deaths per gun owner.


The Truth:
This email is obviously the humorous creation of a gun enthusiast.

We don't know when it was written but not all of the statistics appear accurate.

According to the U.S. Department of Health Services there were about 780,000 licensed physicians in the United States in 2008, so that figure seems good.

Finding statistics that everybody agrees with regarding deaths caused by doctors is a little more difficult. Dr. J. Mercola released a book in 2000 titled Doctors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year. His breakdown, however, largely focuses on errors in hospitals and includes 12,000 deaths by unnecessary surgery, 7,000 due to medication errors in hospitals, 20,000 due to other errors in hospitals, 80,000 from infections in hospitals, and 106,000 from the negative effects of medications.

Regarding gun owners, according to the National Rifle Association (NRA) 2010 Fact Sheet, they tallied in the U.S. between 70 and 80 million. The NRA fact sheet also said that there are close to 300 million privately owned firearms in the United States with hand guns counting for nearly 100 million and that somewhere between 40-45% of American households have firearms.

According to the National Rifle Association there were 776 accidental deaths from firearms in 2000, a lower figure than in the email.

That's all interesting to know but the premise of the email is weak and, as we said, mostly aimed toward humor. Comparing doctor deaths to accidental firearm deaths is meaningless, especially because doctors are dealing with people who are sick in the first place, some of whom are at high risk for death or have gone through high risk medical procedures."

Here is the link: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/doctor-deaths.htm

However I do like to stay away from doctors and hospitals! :)

Maria Stade
3rd February 2011, 21:18
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.



Ha ha Yes they are !

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Shine on beautyful ONE

All Love

conk
3rd February 2011, 21:38
Pretty soon doctors will need guns. They'll have to threaten the patient to take his drugs, because so many are becoming educated about the failed drug paradigm.

Arrowwind
3rd February 2011, 21:49
Dr. J. Mercola released a book in 2000 titled Doctors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year. His breakdown, however, largely focuses on errors in hospitals and includes 12,000 deaths by unnecessary surgery, 7,000 due to medication errors in hospitals, 20,000 due to other errors in hospitals, 80,000 from infections in hospitals, and 106,000 from the negative effects of medications.

:)

First of all Dr Mercola did not say this, he merely reitterated it from an article in the Journal of American Medicine... This is what doctors have said about the nature of their own practice. Now whether the doctor hands were directly involved on causing your death or maltreatment, the doctor certainly ordered the circumatance in which it happened to you... hence he is ultimatley responsible. If the doctor works in a crappy hospital, delivers dangerous medicines, utilizes crappy caregivers, there is no one responsible but him/her. When you sign on to work with a doctor there is an implied trust that he knows what he is doing and is making sure things are safe... but that is not the case at all.

Did you know that 20% of surgeons in California are MRSA carriers? Now if you knew that risk how would you feel about your sugeon, knowing he possibly could give you an incurable disease and cause your death because he is spewing out deadly bacteria?
Would you not want him to submit to a nasal culture? just like most hospitals are making patients do when they enter the hospital?

We have a very very long way to go before we wake up in the medical arena.

DoctorWho
4th February 2011, 03:43
Hello! Oh wait, you didn't mean me did you?
Bill "the Doctor"

Sowelu
4th February 2011, 05:08
Remember though that true statistics are pretty withheld. Like how many people really died on 9/11 and how many people really didn't die from swine flu but from other illness, and how many people died from vaccines. Maybe not the doctors themselves but surely the drugs they're told to use for the ailment.
This is a fun article here from doctor mercola's website.

-mercola.com- "Top 6 Thugs of the Medical world"

Fraud. Kickbacks. Price-setting, bribery and illegal sales activities, including a felony count of assisting the Arab League in acquiring documents on Israeli business activities.
Add in all the doctored and back-dated documents, federal and civil lawsuits, and billions of dollars in government sanctions, fines, and penalties – not to mention the deaths –
and you'd think it was the script for a thriller global action movie.
But no, it's just Big Pharma at its deceitful best, dancing all the way to the bank while continuing to defraud the world of billions of dollars,
and endangering the lives of regular people like you and me.

When I set out to investigate some of the criminal activities that the 12 largest pharmaceutical companies had been convicted of lately,
I had a general idea of the hornet's nest I would be stepping into.

But the amount of gross misconduct, fraud and deceit I found was so insidious,
so massive, and so overwhelming that I decided to narrow my original 12 picks down to just five for the purposes of this article.

Because of the uniqueness of one particular company's offense – a felony guilty plea to conspiring with the Arab League – I added a sixth.

'Get Out of Jail Free'
I'm sure that each and every one of the drug companies who have had to pay fines for their criminal activities would argue that they've hardly been given a "get out of jail free" pass.
But when you look at what they took, compared to what they've had to pay back, I think you'll agree their punishment amounted to little more than a slap on the wrist.

The six companies I'm highlighting, in descending order of their annual revenues, are:

1.Johnson & Johnson
2.Pfizer
3.Roche
4.GlaxoSmithKline
5.Novartis
6.Baxter International

Size-wise, Baxter is actually way down the list at No. 17. But I felt this company's offenses were so egregious that I just couldn't ignore them.
You may remember that last year at the height of the so-called flu pandemic, Baxter "mistakenly" mixed the lethal, live, biological weapon/virus,
H5N1, with seasonal flu, then sent it to labs around Europe.

The potential disaster could have meant worldwide devastation, had it not been for the fact that the Czech Republic tested the vaccine before distributing it – and found it was a deadly cocktail.

Would it surprise you then, that Baxter is the company that, in 1993, pled guilty to the felony count of violating U.S. laws prohibiting cooperation with the Arab boycott against Israel?

At the time, the Veterans Administration was so angered by this offense that they cited it as one reason why they wanted to suspend Baxter from all VA contracts for three years.
The kicker was that the catalyst to the suspension was the VA's contention that Baxter had "knowingly misled and provided false information to VA purchasing agents,
in an attempt to get them to purchase Baxter products."

In the end, Baxter agreed to pay more than $6.5 million in civil and criminal penalties to settle the Arab "mistake."

Mistakes, Mistakes, Mistakes
You'll find that "mistakes" happen often with Baxter.

From dozens of recalls of products that caused deaths and injuries, to at least 11 different guilty pleas to fraud and illegal sales activity,
to more than 200 lawsuits – many of them stemming from selling AIDS-tainted blood to hemophiliacs – to more than $1.3 billion in criminal fines and civil penalties,
Baxter over the years has racked up a record that makes Bonnie and Clyde look like angels.

While I don't have space to name all the Baxter products that allegedly have caused deaths and/or injuries, a more recent product is its blood thinner Heparin,
the subject of a lawsuit filed by actor Dennis Quaid and his wife, who say their twins were injured by it.

Another Baxter product that caused deaths through the years was its tainted dialysis filters, which led to the company settling lawsuits of patients who died as a result of the tainted filters.

It's no wonder why, in 1999, Baxter was named by AllBusiness.com as one of the "Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the 1990s!"

Baxter earned its No. 87 spot on AllBusiness' Top 100 Corporate Criminals list thanks to its guilty plea to dealing with the Arab League.
But that place pales in comparison to (Hoffman La) Roche, which was crowned Corporate Criminal No. 1
for its $500 million criminal fine for leading a worldwide conspiracy to raise and fix prices and allocate market shares for certain vitamins sold in the United States and elsewhere.

The conspiracy lasted nine years, federal officials said – but it was the kind of "mistake" that was oft-repeated by a slew of drug companies during that decade.

Bribery, Fraud, Illegal Activities – They Just Keep Repeating
In all, 19 drug companies made AllBusiness.com's Top 100 Corporate Criminals List for the 1990s.

Their fines totaled nearly $850 million – and that was just the settlements, not the actual losses the government alleged,
for crimes such as defrauding Medicare, Medicaid, and even the FDA, as well as international price-setting, false claims,
hiding serious problems with their drugs and, in one case (Ortho, a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson),
obstruction of justice and eight counts of persuading employees to destroy documents in a federal investigation!

What is sad and shocking is that this was just the tip of the iceberg, AllBusiness.com said in its report.

"For every company convicted of health care fraud, there are numerous others who get away with ripping off Medicare and Medicaid,
or face only mild slap-on-the-wrist fines and civil penalties when caught,"

I have to admit this literally makes me sick. If this is true – and I don't doubt it one iota – can you imagine what the tally might be for the latest decade,
which has seen record fines like the one that Pfizer was hit with last year?

Too Big to Fail?
You may recall that I wrote about this -- in the largest health care fraud settlement in history, Pfizer was ordered to pay $2.3 billion to resolve criminal and civil allegations that the company illegally promoted uses of four of its drugs, including the painkiller Bextra. The other drugs were the antipsychotic Geodon, the antibiotic Zyvox, and the anti-epileptic Lyrica.

Only a few years earlier, Pfizer had paid $430 million for illegally promoting uses of its seizure drug, Neurontin.

Yet, these are just a few examples of all the "mistakes" Pfizer has made through the years, making it very clear why AllBusiness.com named this company No. 17 in the Top Corporate Criminals for the 1990s.

Technically speaking, companies found guilty of fraud like this are banned from dealing with Medicare and Medicaid again. But, as I've already reported, do you think that happened with Pfizer?

Nope.

Instead, in a slap-on-the-wrist move that resembled the too-big-to-fail bank bailouts, federal prosecutors allowed Pfizer to avoid being sentenced for massive fraud and deception by letting them form a sham company to take the fall.

So, in the end, Pfizer's "imaginary friend" Pharmacia & Upjohn shouldered the conviction, even though it had never sold any drugs. As CNN found,
"the subsidiary is nothing more than a shell company whose only function is to plead guilty."

And Pfizer got off scot-free, except for that little $2.3 billion fine that amounted to just three months' profits.

And Then There's Merck
Merck is another branch of Big Pharma with a long list of deaths to its credit. It was five years before Merck made its $30 billion recall of Vioxx that I warned my readers that this pain killer might be a real killer for some people.

As people began to die from heart attacks, strokes, and blood clotting disorders, I didn't like being right. But I hated that after it was over, and the drug had been pulled,
that Merck appeared to pick up the pieces painlessly – pun intended – by getting a new drug fast-tracked and on the market, lickety-split.

That drug is Gardasil, a vaccine that so far has been linked to thousands of adverse events and at least 49 unexplained deaths.
It's a situation that the FDA and CDC have been denying repeatedly, keeping their heads buried in the sand even as the adverse reports mount.

Merck has had other problems through the years, with more than $5.5 billion in judgments and fines levied against it. But like Pfizer,
apparently somebody thinks this company is also "too big to fail."
Johnson & Johnson: Just Another Drug Gang Member
As I mentioned earlier, this company made the 1990s Corporate Criminal list for deliberately destroying documents related to a criminal investigation case on one its products.

You probably don't need to be reminded of all the recalls Johnson & Johnson has had over the years with its pain products, specifically Motrin,
Tylenol and Fentanyl (pain killer patches). The fact that Johnson & Johnson has paid out over $1 billion in the last few years in fines and judgments probably comes as no surprise either.

But did you know that just recently (in May) the company pleaded guilty to illegally promoting its epilepsy drug Topamax for psychiatric purposes, and in so doing,
settled a civil lawsuit in the case for $75 million?

You probably didn't realize, either, that in January the US Dept. of Justice accused Johnson & Johnson of paying tens of millions of dollars in kickbacks to Omnicare Inc to buy and recommend Johnson & Johnson drugs.

This latest scheme is the subject of a federal lawsuit that has 18 states suing not just Omnicare, but 14 other major drug companies, alleging that they ran this scheme together.

The lawsuit's been filed under the federal False Claims Act and, yes, Merck, Pfizer, Roche, Johnson & Johnson, and GlaxoSmithKline are all in there with Omnicare. Watch for news of this lawsuit in the upcoming months – but in the meantime, think about this: in the wake of all this hassle, Omnicare's CEO Joel Gemunder has quit, but not without remuneration.

His parting pay is a record $130 million!

But again, this is just the tip of an iceberg.

GlaxoSmithKline: 1,500 Deaths Alleged
At more than $5 billion in fines and judgments, GlaxoSmithKline is treading the same muddy waters as Merck, especially since its HPV vaccine counterpart,
Cervarix, has its own share of adverse reactions and alleged deaths being reported around the world.

GSK's most recent "mistakes" stem from its diabetes drug, Avandia, which the FDA on September 23 decided to "regulate" – a little – but not withdraw,
leaving Avandia as a "mistake" that is still ongoing.

What we do know so far is that GSK spent 11 years trying to cover up trial data that showed that Avandia was a risky drug for the heart.

In my research for this article, I also discovered that Avandia topped the list of drugs linked to fatal adverse events in 2009,
according to an analysis of U.S. Food and Drug Administration records. With a staggering 1,354 deaths reported to the FDA in 2009 alone,
it's hard to believe that this drug is still even in discussion!

But, like the others I investigated, GSK also has made hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements for fraud cases and pricing disputes,
as well as judgments won by the federal government in Medicare and Medicaid fraud suits.

Roche: No. 1 in AllBusiness.com's Corporate Criminal Book
Roche's offenses have been ongoing over the years in its companies and affiliates around the world. Most recently, in March,
Roche suspended a clinical trial for a rheumatoid arthritis and lupus drug after serious infections, some of them fatal, were reported with it.

Officials reported that the trial was stopped because "opportunistic" infections like those found in the trials are not normal in healthy individuals.
Sadly, that information was too late for 15 Japanese patients, who died after taking one of Roche's approved arthritis medicines, Actemra.

But that's not the end of deaths related to Roche products: Another Roche drug, Posicor, was withdrawn in 1998 after reports of at least 140 deaths linked to harmful interactions of Posicor with other drugs.

It's no wonder that Roche has had to pay out nearly $2 billion in judgments and fines over the years, with thousands of individuals suing them.
But before I move on, let me remind you that Roche also manufactures the CDC's and FDA's favorite flu stand-by, Tamiflu.

And in case you've forgotten, Tamiflu was blamed for the deaths of 18 Japanese children in 2007,
and the subject of a warning by the Japanese Ministry of Health not to give this drug to children ages 10 to 19.

With a record like this, you would think that Roche and the rest of the drug king pins known as Big Pharma would have just a little shame over what they've done over the years.
But, since the offenses just keep coming, and since states like Indiana have to keep on begging for whistleblowers to step forward, it's apparent that Pharma's sense of shame is nonexistent.

It seems fitting then, to end with this New York Times headline from 1999, when Roche was the subject of the price-fixing scandal that earned its No. 1 Corporate Criminal spot on AllBusiness.com's list:

"Roche Officers Say Scandal Is a Surprise." Yes, they proclaimed innocence, even while the federal government was busy yanking their hands right out of the cookie jar.
Scam-Buster Efforts by States and the Feds Continue
Fortunately, states' attorneys general like Zoeller are gaining ground in gathering support for routing out the criminal acts that Big Pharma continues to perpetuate.

More and more, organizations like the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, the False Claims Act Legal Center, and Politicol News are starting to investigate and publicize the illegal
– and criminal – actions that these companies have been getting away with for years.

Thanks to the federal False Claims Act, state and federal investigators have a gun that they can use to hunt down and prosecute these heinous crimes with.
If you visit the False Claims Act Legal Center website, you'll get a hint of just how much this type of corporate has been going on.

But again, it's just a hint, just the tip of an iceberg. What it does prove is that Big Pharma can't be trusted – and they have the criminal history to prove it.

What's most shocking, though, is that even when they get caught with deaths on their hands, along with the money in the cookie jar of price-fixing, fraud and deceit,
is that like Pfizer, their punishments appear to be just little slaps on the wrist.

Apparently, they are too big to nail; too big to fail. So, like Baxter, instead of shutting down, they cough up a pittance in comparison to what they took,
and continue onward with their government contracts for vaccines and other drugs.

It's encouraging that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius in July announced the formation of the Healthcare Fraud Prevention and Enforcement Action Team,
which together with the Department of Justice, US Attorneys' Offices and other federal agencies will target healthcare and drug fraud.

But, as Indiana Attorney General Greg Zoeller said, it's going to take more than that. So, whistleblowers, come out and help in this crusade.
It's time to hold Big Pharma's career criminals accountable.

Chart Showing 6 Drug Companies' "Mistakes"
The chart below shows the type of criminal activity, lawsuits and fines or judgments I was able to find for each of the drug companies featured in this article.
Keep in mind that these are conservative numbers – many records are not available without a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.

Also, many are not readily available online unless you know exactly what you're looking for, and what year.

Type of criminal activity
Pfizer
GSK
Baxter
Merck & Co.
Roche
Johnson & Johnson

Guilty of fraud and/or Illegal sales activity
9
11
8
7
4
14

Federal and/or Civil lawsuits
10,000+ Individuals or together in class action suits
800+
226+ Unnamed number of persons w/AIDS
100,000 Individuals or together in class action suits
5,000+ Individual and/or class action
500+ Individual and/or class action

Dollar Amount of fines, judgments as a result of criminal or civil litigation
$4 Billion+
$5 Billion+
$1.3 Billion+
$5.5 Billion+
$1.7 Billion+
$1 Billion+

Arrowwind
4th February 2011, 07:17
And did you know that Novartis has a drug that will easily cure Candida, CHRONIC CANDIDA, yet it is not used for this purpose and the public is unaware of it? I will be putting an article up about it before too long.

And did you know that Pfizer has donated a million dollars to Bastry Naturopathic School? I read this quite a while ago and I am desperately seeking a reference for this tidbit of information, if anyone knows please pm me.

I have a grudge against Nestle company for making dangerous baby forumla. When they could not sell it here they shipped it to south america and sold it there.

And be aware that bayer is in the chemical industry, they make pesticides and other dangerous lawn crap. They know how to kill most expertly.

Shezbeth
4th February 2011, 08:10
Thank you Arrowwind, as well as many others.

Did someone mention Bayer? Why, they're also one of 5 biochemical corporations that own virtually ALL COMMERCIAL SEED companies!

https://www.msu.edu/~howardp/seedindustry.html

I mention this elsewhere, but I'm posting it again 'cause I'm just that kinda guy. ^_^

Pamela
4th February 2011, 16:24
And did you know that Novartis has a drug that will easily cure Candida, CHRONIC CANDIDA, yet it is not used for this purpose and the public is unaware of it? I will be putting an article up about it before too long.

Arrowind I would love to know the information you have. My mother has Chronic Candida and it has ruined her health. She has tried everything! Even for the last year she can not eat any sugar or carbs, the minute they touch her tongue she feels as if her mouth is on fire. So I would appreciate ANYTHING that may help her!