What is Love?

[Icecold]

I was inspired to start this thread for two reasons.

One was a result of a post I made regarding the meaning of the term love being a fuzzy concept.

The second is as an offshoot of Celine's Teams thread.

So what is love? I'd like to explore this idea and get as many views laid down as possible.

You may learn a new perspective or you may contribute a new perspective.

Intention: to fully explore this idea and to create a fully expanded idea of love and a possible concise definition of love....

Here are a few links which explore the concept of what is love?

http://www.humanthermodynamics.com/rp2-love.html


http://www.integralscience.org/loveknowledge.html



http://www.contemplativemind.org/programs/academic/zajonc-love-and-knowledge.pdf

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

this is love
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4153/cutehk0.jpg
:)

[Gone001]

what is love, baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more :D

[58andfixed]

love being a fuzzy concept.

So what is love? I'd like to explore this idea and get as many views laid down as possible.



I thank the both of you with sticking on this very necessary note of just PREZACTLY, what is "love" ?

Instead of pouring forth all my pearls, let's start with places that DON'T help to define "love," for love poorly or ill-defined is not going to be replicated - precisely and exactly - aka prezactly.

The dictionary has too many forms of "love" to be of any use.

The KJV didn't define "love." It defined "charity." Editors exchanged "charity" for "love," and Christians (all 33,000 denominations of them) use this loosy-goosy useless version that isn't prezactly anything. And it doesn't fit for Jesus, just like it doesn't fit for Mohamed, Gautama, Zoroaster, etc....

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a106.htm

1 Corinthians 13 KJV

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+13&version=KJV

Also note that KJV isn't the first English translation of some one of the many Bibles. King Henry's Bible is earlier, aka the Great Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bible

But don't stop there, the editing, the translations and 'book selection' goes back even farther than that. :)

Think of it. If we are to 'communicate' a precise concept, and can't refer to anything specifically, just prezactly how are we to communicate what "love" is ?

- 58

[truthseekerdan]

From my perspective Love is all there is the only truth. The Universe was created out of love, and for us (humans) to experience and remember to live in it. :love:

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[Chuck]

Love is ... that which you spend your time thinking about.

so by definition, love can be your enemy :twitch:

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Love is ... that which you spend your time thinking about.

so by definition, love can be your enemy :twitch:

Hi Chuck,

I feel (not think it) love and if you think love can be your enemy - it will.
:bump2:

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

k8TBmeK9Abg
:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

[Constance]

this is love
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4153/cutehk0.jpg
:)

Look at those eyes. Aren't they just filled with unconditional love. I just want to pat him and hug that little dogey!

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

her!

Sacré bleu

thank you :)

[Constance]

her!

Sacré bleu

thank you :)

Sorry...her...she is just beautiful...

[Icecold]

http://rtmulcahy.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/triangularlove.gif





This Google search of images using the keyword 'love' reveals a startling fact.

The idea of love has been completely commodified

http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1280&bih=868&q=love&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=

[Icecold]

The Personal Development Guy's Definition of Love: What is Love? - Long Version

Love is both a feeling, and an energy, and a vibration, and a state/being/an identity, and more than that.

Love is infinite, inexhaustible, omnipresent, and has no opposite (no ... hate and fear are not the opposite of love ... if you read on, you will find out why).


:hippie:


Love exists in an infinite number of versions, from totally conditional (fear, angst, depression) to totally unconditional (I love without reason or cause) and therefore love is actually the basis of all human feelings.

Love is the same as being one with (a unified whole). Love is connection ... being totally connected and thus love is one of the most important building blocks of life/the universe as we know it.

All these facts point directly at this: Love is absolute by nature (as opposed to relative), and it is in fact one of the primary building blocks in the human experience.

Even though love by nature is unlimited, it can still be limited (made relative) as much as you might desire. When you limit love, you create conditional love. Countless kinds conditional love exist.


:hippie:

The simplest way of distinguishing the different kinds of love from each other is by observing just how conditional the love in question is.

The more unlimited and unconditional (i.e. absolute) a version of love is, the more accepting and all encompassing it is ... and the better your experience of it feels! Words that describe this condition or state of being include unlimited and unconditional versions of: joy, spaciousness, clarity, gratitude, acceptance, awareness, consciousness, presence, inner peace, freedom, trust, balance, ecstasy, flow and happiness.

Love in its more unconditional forms equals unity (being one with) and wholeness (being a unified whole). Evidence suggests that this is actually our most basic nature. It is certainly the condition we end up in, when we have let go [LINK] of everything else. Other words for this basic human nature of unconditional love include: All-there-is, soul, soul identity, Home, I am, absolute reality, absolute truth, the Source and life.

The more limited and conditional (i.e. relative) a version of love is, the more judgemental, non-accepting and limited it is ... and the worse your experience of it feels!

Love in its more conditional forms can be described by words such as: dissatisfaction, pessimism, frustration, anger, rage, hatred, fear, guilt, shame, jealousy, sorrow, fear, anxiety, angst and depression.

What is love? In short, the different versions of love cover the totality of human emotions, and so you might say that love is in fact the only feeling/emotion there is.


:grouphug:

What is love? Making a good love definition is quite a challenge. Love is so comprehensive that it hardly lends itself to definition.


The Dictionary's Definition
The dictionary defines love as:

A deep and strong feeling of liking and caring for or being fond of somebody or something. :bs:

Source: http://www.thepersonaldevelopmentguy.com/what-is-love.html

[Celine]

Love, is the manifestation of the energy produced from life it self.

[Icecold]

Love, is the manifestation of the energy produced from life it self.

That's part of it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ UP THERE!!!!


Yes, it's energy. Every emotion, including the most negative is an expression or shadow version of love.

Thanks Celine.


So love has a sliding scale from dark into the light. It has a spectrum.

[Highwhistler]

http://www.soulconnection.net/images/essays/love/Love_LowRez_8.5x11_72dpi.jpg

All of us are lovers of love, are we not?

In the deepest recesses of our minds, in our most private thoughts, we all have secretly wondered: What is love? Where does it come from? Why does it appear and disappear? Can I get more of it!? And, the best question of all: What is True Love?

Believe it or not, I have a few answers.

Love is never far away. It is always close by, as love is an essential part of Nature and being human.

The reason that love is one of the greatest mysteries of life ... the reason that it is hard to pin down and talk about, is that most of love exists behind the scenes ... in a part of ourselves that is silent and incomprehensible. Love lives in the quietest part of our being.

It’s fascinating to try and follow love back to its source.

A practical way to start is by focusing our attention on a single expression of Love that is found in our normal lives: Can you remember receiving a loving glance from a friend? ... or hearing the love in your lover’s voice? Now, trace that outer expression of Love back to where it came from and you enter an inner world of feelings and thoughts. As you follow those feelings back, back, back ... into the inner realm ... eventually they disappear.

You may think that your journey has come to an end, when you find yourself on the threshold of a world of silence. Indeed, many people who journey to this vast region of stillness believe it to be a void that is not worthy of further contemplation. But actually, they have traveled to the main gateway of the real home of Love as the greater part of Love exists behind the scenes ... in this world of deep silence.

In Truth, love is a silent, underground, formless ocean that flows in us ... always present, eternally patient. We can open ourselves to receive its graces, or construct barriers to stop its flow.

The idea that “love comes and goes” is the standard view today, but that’s just how it looks on the surface. What really is coming and going — what really is changing — are our preferences and points of view which either turns-off or turns-on the harmony and love that radiates from the silent part of us. Love is always present and we can be open to it or not.

For instance, every loving couple have disagreements that stem from different preferences and points of view. Arguments erupt as each person becomes entrenched with their particular point of view. After going round-and-round with the disagreement, they reconcile and their relationship returns to its normal state of harmony. What has happened during the disagreement is not that Love went anywhere. Love remained at home (in the stillness and silence behind the scenes), but the couple denied their access to love as each proclaimed the brilliance of their opinions. Once the attention placed on their differences subsided, they then relaxed and let the love flow normally back into their presence.

What I’m trying to say is that Love does not go away. It is always a part of the fabric of human life, as well as a part of each individual.

One of my favorite, most beautiful sayings is: “Love begins in the body, but ends in the soul.” There is a lot of truth in that.

A new love relationship often starts out with a special attraction to certain physical features and personality traits of your partner. That level of love is fun and produces fantastic experiences (this relates to the first part, i.e., “Love begins in the body”).

But as people age and life goes on, everything changes. If love is primarily based on special outward features of the body and personality, then love will not be present as the features held so dear, fade away.

But remember, the main body of love is deep, eternally present, mostly silent, and part of our natural make-up. That love is present as we change, as our partner changes, and as life goes on. It is not dependent on the outward qualities of a partner, but is based in a personal, enduring, spiritual nature in which you’ve realized that your lover is essentially no different than yourself. This level of love is what is referred to in the last part of the phrase “Love begins in the body, but ends in the soul.”

These might be new words to you, but through your own experiences you know that it is true. For instance, we all have had dear friends and family members that we’ve known for many, many years, perhaps decades, who have now passed away. If you look back at your love for them, you will see that you loved them long ago ... their body changed a lot through the years and you still loved them ... their personality and mental features changed too, and your love remained unbroken. Even years after they passed away, your love for them is still right here ... you love them right now!

How can that be? It is because the highest levels of love are eternal. Our bodies come and go, our points of view do also, but there is a level of love that is always present. Let us try not to make our ordinary preferences greater than love itself, as we never want love to fade away ... in ourselves or our relationships.

The kind of love that stays ... that is here over time, moment by moment, day after day, year after year ... and is even present after our loved ones are no longer here — that love comes from the silence and stillness of Being, and is the highest form of love.

That love deserves to be called “True Love.”

[Icecold]

A lion hunts an antelope and out of love it kills it to feed its young, behind the act of the hunt and the kill is love. The lion carefully strangles its prey as quickly as possible, all it is thinking of is feeding its young. This is love.

[Celine]

the lion also kills the cubs so the female will go into heat again...

Love is not the "sunshine and lolipops" version we have been made to swallow

[Icecold]

the lion also kills the cubs so the female will go into heat again...

Love is not the "sunshine and lolipops" version we have been made to swallow

Yes, that too is love........ the male is exploring the darker spectrum

Thanks Celine.

So we have a much expanded view of love which is relating love directly to an energy of thought
or consciousness. It is purpose directed energy.

I am trying to discover why people are confused about love. It seems that everyone has a version of what they think it is. If that is the case, it could be anything you want it to be. If you say this is not love, then you have shut out a particular manifestation of love that you are uncomfortable with.......



:eek: EDIT!




Love Hurts = Nasty Love?
Ouch! You experience discomfort (lack, pain, sorrow, annoyance, etc.) in association with love ...

Those feelings are quite real. They're not caused by love, however.

Love pain comes from fear and closing yourself off from love - in order to defend yourself.

When you rely on your usual problem solver the ego in your love life, you're setting yourself up for some unpleasant experiences. Those painful experiences have nothing to do with love and everything to do with trying to defend yourself ... from the very kind of pain that you're experiencing!

In other words:

Your 'solution' (defending yourself) is your actual problem. It's what causing the love pain. It's what's making you say that love hurts.



Why Love Hurts: The Purpose of Love Pain
When you touch a hot oven, it hurts. The hurt tells you what's not good for you (i.e. don't touch). That's why (it seems that) love hurts, too.

When we experience hurt, fear, anxiety, jealousy and other kinds of love pain, it is because (unconsciously) we want to tell ourselves that we have come to limit ourselves unnecessarily. We have come to close ourselves off from love.

In what way? In that we have come to BELIEVE in contraction, non-acceptance, fear and distrust ... which is not a good thing for us (and therefore unpleasant).



Love Pain / Love Hurts = Sign Posts
All our unpleasant feelings are like signposts or directional arrows:

They point to places where we have made life difficult for ourselves by believing in something non-expedient.

Our unpleasant feelings also point to the way we should go to get better - namely THROUGH our discomfort and out into a more absolute reality [LINK].

Typically these unpleasant feelings arise because of our own defense mechanisms. You might say that they are telling us this:

'Hey, you've become so busy protecting yourself that you can no longer feel yourself, others and life itself! You can't feel the ever present love anymore!'

In short: The intention behind the unpleasant feelings is good and loving, and the unpleasant feelings are rooted in love. But when we experience these very unpleasant feelings, it is because we have limited our love to something near the minimum.




Types of Love in General - With Examples
Just like ice cream, love exists in a myriad of different colours, shapes, sizes and flavours.

One kind or form of love isn't better or more correct than another. But there are differences in how you feel and experience them. Some make you say that love hurts, some do just the opposite.

To put it simply:

Unconditional love feels good.

(Example: "I love you for no other reason than the fact that you exist. I love you for who you are, and I do not expect anything what so ever of you.")

Conditional love feels less good.

(Example: "I love you because you are intelligent and beautiful, and I expect you to love me back, and also help me get my needs fulfilled.")

Highly conditional love feels bad.

(Example: "I do not know whether I love or hate you. In any event, I am so very scared and there are so many needs I need you or others to fulfil for me. That is why I have to manage and control everything and everyone, including myself and you."

Highly conditional love - that's where it seems that love hurts.



Types of Love: A Bit More Precisely
Slightly more precisely, it might be expressed like this:

The experience of conditional love ranges (approximately) from 'very uncomfortable' (love hurts!) to 'neutral/acceptable/okay'.

The experience of unconditional love ranges (approximately) from 'neutral/acceptable/okay' to 'ecstatic/indescribably wonderful.'

We are talking about a love scale that goes from the most relative and most unpleasant to the totally unconditional and extremely pleasant. From depression, fear, hate and 'love hurts!' to unconditional love which feels ecstatic, or like happiness, or deeply peaceful.

Examples of highly conditional love: Depression, fear, anxiety, grief, hate

Examples of somewhat conditional love: Neutrality, okay, satisfactory

Examples of highly unconditional love: Happiness, Wholeness, Home, 'I AM'

And just in case you're wondering: Yes, grief, anxiety, 'love hurts!', fear, hate, etc. are ALSO kinds of love. They are just very limited, very conditional, very unpleasant kinds.
:love:


:popcorn:

[58andfixed]

The idea of love has been completely commodified



LOL ! :)

Too true, LOVE IS:

abused
bemused
boozed
bruised
confused
defused
diffused
....

- 58

[58andfixed]

All of us are lovers of love, are we not?


Maybe, and maybe not.

What if simply using the word "LOVE" just confuses prezactly what "LOVE" *IS* ? :)

Does Alice know who she is, just because she knows how to spell her name ?

- 58

[Teakai]

Love is what remains when all fear, judgments and expectations are removed.

[mondaze]

love is simply a soul connection!

[Shezbeth]

It seems the time is right to lay this one down.

Unconditional love is, by it's very nature, conditional.

[Anchor]

Unconditional love is, by it's very nature, conditional.

That needs some elaboration - and I think you are constraining your thinking to a 3rd density mode "box".

To contemplate love you have to be thinking outside that box.

Conditional means bounded, unconditional is unbounded.

Unconditional love means that it just is. It just be. (Sorry for the mangled English there, but think "to be" and it "just is" mixed up).

Conditions cannot affect it. Unconditional love will flow around barriers, and if completely constrained at a certain given density of expression - it will flow in others where constraints dont exist.

Nothing trumps it.

My thanks to you for posting as you did - as you can see I probably completely failed to understand what you meant, so if you would please elaborate, that would be grand. However, I seem to function best when leveraging off from other peoples posts, but I will try for some completely original content later!
John..

[ASIA]

Some Ancients believed that if one is Creating / Loving thru brain ( conditional process ) it will always attracts the opposite outcome, because brain is the polarized tool.

They believed also that, if one is Creating / Loving ( alone or in committed group ) from the pure, harmonious, sacred space in the heart, not only it is safe for all life everywhere, but also it is a secret creation. No one can penetrate & violate the creation made this way. ANY machine, any super computer cannot control united consciussnes / LOVE laying into heart.

Here, Drunvalo Melchizedek explains the difference between brain love - creation & heart love - creation. I think that quiet often we cross the bridge between the both.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL2htbxbUN8&feature=player_embedded



And maybe, maybe, maybe, .... Carbon 7 can help us to reach easily this LOVE, which is safe for all life everywhere ?

THE SECRET OF ALL SECRETS, THE SECRET OF ELIXIR OF LIFE, OF AMBROSIA, THE NECTAR OF IMMORTALITY - CARBON 7.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5_6R8YBlv4&feature=player_embedded#

[Jendayi]

unconditional love is an absolute.. and allthough love is All-embracing.. it definitely is not an absolute (imho) love is flexible.. it's malleable...
Love:
A drop of dew on a flower's leaf
a tear of joy in a mother's eye
A single moment of belief
the question: who am I?

Love always seeks to find
that which has been hidden
to free that state of mind
which darkness has forbidden

some will wake at morning
some will wake at noon
many might be sleeping
none will wake too soon

as we will be the day
so we will be the night
love will find it's way
love will make it right..

i love you...

[rolodge]

Love is all there is.

All the living Human Values we collect and grow in our Hearts are also expressions of Love.

Even enemies that do more harm than good are also acting on a different plane of love.

[Shezbeth]

For one's love to be unconditional IS a condition. 'Without boundries' IS a boundry. 'Undefined' IS a definition. 'Infinite' IS a limitation.

[Icecold]

Good work everyone.

I'm going to link galilava's thread here.....oops

LOVE YOUR ENEMY. A very important concept of love......

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13205-Love-your-enemy

[davyj0nes]

this video explains everything you ever need to know about love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpN60KKBAjc

[Icecold]

That vid cannot be viewed in Australia on copyright grounds. :ballchain:

[Fractalius]

"Only once in your life, I truly believe, you find someone who can completely turn your world around. You tell them things that youve never shared with another soul and they absorb everything you say and actually want to hear more. You share hopes for the future, dreams that will never come true, goals that were never achieved and the many disappointments life has thrown at you. When something wonderful happens, you cant wait to tell them about it, knowing they will share in your excitement. They are not embarrassed to cry with you when you are hurting or laugh with you when you make a fool of yourself. Never do they hurt your feelings or make you feel like you are not good enough, but rather they build you up and show you the things about yourself that make you special and even beautiful. There is never any pressure, jealousy or competition but only a quiet calmness when they are around.

You can be yourself and not worry about what they will think of you because they love you for who you are. The things that seem insignificant to most people such as a note, song or walk become invaluable treasures kept safe in your heart to cherish forever. Memories of your childhood come back and are so clear and vivid its like being young again. Colours seem brighter and more brilliant. Laughter seems part of daily life where before it was infrequent or didnt exist at all. A phone call or two during the day helps to get you through a long days work and always brings a smile to your face.
In their presence, theres no need for continuous conversation, but you find youre quite content in just having them nearby. Things that never interested you before become fascinating because you know they are important to this person who is so special to you. You think of this person on every occasion and in everything you do. Simple things bring them to mind like a pale blue sky, gentle wind or even a storm cloud on the horizon. You open your heart knowing that theres a chance it may be broken one day and in opening your heart, you experience a love and joy that you never dreamed possible. You find that being vulnerable is the only way to allow your heart to feel true pleasure thats so real it scares you. You find strength in knowing you have a true friend and possibly a soul mate who will remain loyal to the end. Life seems completely different, exciting and worthwhile. Your only hope and security is in knowing that they are a part of your life."

Bob Marley.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOB. 66 TODAY!

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5cDUrVCoq8

[Fractalius]

"You may not be her first, her last, or her only. She's loved before she may love again. But if she loves you now, what else matters? She's not perfect, you aren't either & the two of you may never be perfect together. But if she can make you laugh, cause you to think twice, and admit to being human and making mistakes, hold onto her and give her the most you can. She may not be thinking of you every second of the day, but she will give you a part of her that she know's you can break: her heart. So don't hurt her, don't change her, don't analyze and don't expect more than she can give. Smile when she makes you happy, let her know when she makes you mad, and miss her when she's not there."

Bob Marley.

He needs two posts :)

[gripreaper]

Some Ancients believed that if one is Creating / Loving thru brain (conditional process ) it will always attracts the opposite outcome, because brain is the polarized tool.

They believed also that, if one is Creating / Loving ( alone or in committed group ) from the pure, harmonious, sacred space in the heart, not only it is safe for all life everywhere, but also it is a secret creation. No one can penetrate & violate the creation made this way. ANY machine, any super computer cannot control united consciousness / LOVE laying into heart.

This quote hits at the heart of the matter (pun intended) You posted this on the Charles question and answer thread and I think it needs to be repeated all over this forum.

Absolutely brilliant and so succinct.

Thanks!

[58andfixed]

If any of these 'definitions' work, can we test it with some good questions, such as:

- How is "LOVE" manifested from within ?

- Why is "LOVE" so important to "DO" and not simply 'talk a talk' ?

- What experience multiplies the effect of "LOVE" ?

- Can any one of these 'definitions' help to understand a fable or parable from one of this ORB's past masters ?

- 58

[Shezbeth]

- Practice
- Why is irrelevant. The question is what are you going to do next? Also, one of those choices is false.
- Practice and sincerety
- Perhaps
- 85

[58andfixed]

- Practice and sincerety
- Perhaps
- 85

Whereof does intention & commitment get involved with sincerity ?

Are you willing to stake out a 'perhaps' & reveal insight & wisdom, or is there doubt in the 'perhaps' ?

- 58

[Shezbeth]

<shrug> Ok
Perhaps,... if you ask the right questions.
- Or -
Perhaps you'll get better answers if you ask yourself these questions
- Or -
Perhaps,... if I knew what definitions you were referring to.
Not one to leave a question unanswered,....
GOD G=7 O=15 D=4, GOD = 7,154. Square root of = 84.58 rounded to the nearest whole number is,... 85

Funny inevitability there, no offense.

And Practice and Sincerety are interchangable with Commitment and Intention
^_^

[peg226]

Foreigner - I Want To Know What Love Is (With Lyrics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUYGzZ0tQpA&feature=related




Foreigner is one of those love groups! listen and learn :)

[58andfixed]

What if the intention of The Creator of all desired for us - had been confused and distorted by man ?

What if Love is "A desire to do good" ?

One would be in complete control of this 'approach' to "Love."

This approach to "Love" would:

- be dependent only on desire, not the perception of what 'good' was delivered or received.
- manifest from within.
- begin with intention.
- multiplied by commitment, effort & sincerity.
- be wiser with attention to insight, contemplation and awareness of human behavior.
- be dependent only on one's decision to manifest it.
- only require time.


This approach to "Love" couldn't be:

- packaged up & sold.
- made glitzy with shiny paper, ribbons, bows nor candles.
- dependent on anything, nor needing of any 'modifier.'
- be easier to give if wealthy.


This is not your pearl until you vet and test its validity. Then it could be your pearl, if you like it.

This is simple, concrete and comprehensible to put into practice 24/7, and need not be copy written by any particular belief system.

Check & test this against any oral tradition, fable or parable to see if this captures what wasn't captured in the ancient sacred texts.

If you have something clearer, more profound and just as succinct, please offer it on the temple mount here at Project Avalon.

- 58

[Flash]

Love, is the manifestation of the energy produced from life it self.

Love is Life, yes

Love is looking at someone, something, some being, at the spark in their heart, at their inherent talents, and doing everything in my power to support these, to help enhancing these, to help develop these, in order for the beings to attain who they truly are.

No judgment, no evaluation, no hesitations. Absolutely unconditional.

[Flash]

Something else from my personal experience to share about love:

I often have to meet groups of people for work. When I start with the idea that I have to pass information within a given period of time, it becomes somewhat difficult sometimes and the reception is sometimes lukewarm (even if I am quite good at what I am doing). Or if I am tired and just want to do my job correctly, the same thing happens.

But, every time I wake up and consciously decide to love those I will meet today, to look for their inherent talents or needs and support it the best I can, the information content I give passes right in them, their assimilation is easy but with more: enjoyment, fulfillment, and sometimes transformation.

Sometimes i still forget to wake up and love all those I will meet on that given day (human, animal, plants or rocks). Worst though, I very often forget to love myself and support myself as much as I do for others, overtaken in the giving. Hope to find balance soon...

Lesson: wake up and consciously decide to love - it makes it so much easier, profitable for all and enjoyable.

[58andfixed]

No judgment, no evaluation, no hesitations. Absolutely unconditional.

To be even clearer, "Love" as I suggest in the approach requires judgment within, a choice, a decision, an evaluation. These are required to make the decision, hold the intention, and commit to its delivery.

"Love" as I suggest in the approach is NOT judgmentalism -- a judgment of another, of their delivery, and it's perceived quality.

If committed to this approach, hesitations continue until it is part of one's life.

The modifier "unconditional" would not apply, because an inner experience, intentioned from within and desired to be made manifest CANNOT be limited by modifiers -- including "unconditional." It only complicates the clean & succinct.

- 58

[TheCaduceus]

Thank you Icecold for this beautiful thread - there is nothing more lofty or noble to contemplate than Love, and since the mind vibrates according to the nature of its thoughts, our whole being benefits from Love's contemplation....

One of the most poetic expression of love for me is Shakespeare's Sonnet 116.... I liken the "ever fixed mark" to the original point - the still point of creation, from which everything has come into being... truly the Universe is made from, with and by Love:

SONNET 116
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

[Star Gazer]

Unconditional positive regard.

[take]

The meaning of life.

[58andfixed]

The meaning of life.

Maybe. It depenz.

In my approach, for each and every mortal our purpose in life is unique.

Just as an Abies pinagene [Norway spruce] can be identified as a 'species of tree,' one could take DNA samples of wood, and given sufficient time and samples of stumps, one stump can be identified as the source for any piece of wood.

That stump is unique.

Every person is unique. Yet within this understanding, we are all connected.

And just as each person has a unique path & purpose, the meaning of life will be unique and have a story attached to it.

Those unique purposes and attached meanings do not help to define a functional approach to "Love."

IMHO ...

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[ace]

When you can look in the mirror
and smile.

Ace

[58andfixed]

When you can look in the mirror
and smile.

Ace

LOL !

I would call that humility, and humility can be laughed at by all. Think of George Carlin. :)

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[take]

Thank you for your reply, 58andfixed.

My previous answer was just a short version. Just the top of the iceberg.

This one is not going to be much longer. We are here to learn. We are on our own for a reason. Everyone plays their own unique part, even those who die before they are even born.
In short: We are here to learn about love, and how to love in a cruel, hard, cold and loveless world. When one realizes that we are one, like the cells of a human body or the leaves of a tree, it becomes just much more easier. Our destinies are different, but the goal stays the same.

That is how I see it. And I hope I have found it.

And naturally I welcome any other viewpoints, and am ready to adjust my own if need be.
Just wanted to make that clear.

Take care.

PS. in this context the principle of non-interference of which Atticus and Bill have talked about would be very easy to understand.

[Maria Stade]

Find your self and you will know what true love is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN-54F0k0fg&feature=related

Namaste

[58andfixed]

Find your self and you will know what true love is.

Namaste

Hi Maria:

Your comment 'triggered' me to be curious about your exposure to "Alice in Wonderland," and how much of the hidden meanings you comprehended ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1014759/

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[peterstein]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWUsV5KaKzI:sleep:

[take]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWUsV5KaKzI:sleep:

Thank you so much!

[Bright Garlick]

Love is the feeling we experience, when we realize that we are all connected and that we all suffer.

[58andfixed]

Love is the feeling we experience, when we realize that we are all connected and that we all suffer.

Hi Bright Garlick:

Why would Love be involved with suffering ?

Do you side with a dualistic Universe, that there is some 'balance' of good & evil ? Or am I simply misunderstanding ?

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[58andfixed]

The Moody Blues - Nights In White Satin´67


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9muzyOd4Lh8

4m 22s 9,102,460 views

Posted October 14, 2006.


Cold hearted orb
That rules the night
Removes the colours
From our sight
Red is gray and
Yellow white
But we decide
Which is right
And
Which is an Illusion

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/moody+blues/nights+in+white+satin_20095762.html

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[Maria Stade]

[QUOTE=Maria Stade;133138]Find your self and you will know what true love is.

Namaste

Hi Maria:

Your comment 'triggered' me to be curious about your exposure to "Alice in Wonderland," and how much of the hidden meanings you comprehended ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1014759/

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Thank you glad I could trigger some one !

Yes I have seen Alice in wonderland intessting storry !

And the rabbit hole is You !

The soul have all wisom and our essens is Love !

There is many things to face before one can meet one self !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZX8QSdJ9go&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxwTDX6IpQg&feature=related

How it is to swim in the ocean can not be told it has to be experienced.

All Love

[Benign]

Love is being honest with other people and it should never be unconditional,it should be earned.

[Maria Stade]

Love is the feeling we experience, when we realize that we are all connected and that we all suffer.

Love dose not suffer !

I ask you where is love ?

[take]

Love is being honest with other people and it should never be unconditional,it should be earned.

How does a newborn earn a mother's love?

[58andfixed]

Love is being honest with other people and it should never be unconditional,it should be earned.

Hi Benign:

Why involve Love with honesty ?

I can go with Trust having to be earned and not simply be 'given' or assumed.

The cleaner and leaner a concept Love is, the easier it is to intend and made manifest.

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[58andfixed]

Love dose not suffer !

I ask you where is love ?

Hi again Maria:

I suggest Love is wherever one intends, chooses, decides and commits to make manifest.

One would be in more control of this approach to Love than any material commodity on this ORB.

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[Benign]

Love is being honest with other people and it should never be unconditional,it should be earned.

How does a newborn earn a mother's love?

It doesn't of course.It receives it from the woman that gave birth to it,through the powerful maternal instinct.However,when it grows up it will have to earn it.After all some babies turn into abhorrent people.

[58andfixed]

How does a newborn earn a mother's love?

Hi Take:

I may be cutting in, so please forgive me if I have overstepped my bounds.

I would suggest that no thing, nor no being, outside of the individual can cause Love to be made manifest.

It is easier indeed, for a mother to be bonded to her child, for she indeed did give birth to it.

The 'tie' goes deeper than the cord that is cut.

However, a mother CAN choose to either be too distracted to Love & even NOT to Love their child. Proof is often found in life.

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[Benign]

Love is being honest with other people and it should never be unconditional,it should be earned.

Hi Benign:

Why involve Love with honesty ?

I can go with Trust having to be earned and not simply be 'given' or assumed.

The cleaner and leaner a concept Love is, the easier it is to intend and made manifest.

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Love can never be a clean concept but in its simplest forms but then it is not real love but affection. Love is a more intellectual thing than sentimental.You cannot,for example love strongly somebody who does not understand you deeply.
As personalities we evolve constantly and as my ancient ancestor Heracletus stated everyone and everything around us is changing all the time,so only if you are honest with yourself about who you are and with others,can you really love them.
It could be that after some time you might have to leave somebody,exactly because you love them,since your personal journeys through life have led to you to different paths.

[Maria Stade]

Love dose not suffer !

I ask you where is love ?

Hi again Maria:

I suggest Love is wherever one intends, chooses, decides and commits to make manifest.

One would be in more control of this approach to Love than any material commodity on this ORB.

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Yes I would agree that can be done by connecting !
Some one is reciving Love

And what would it be that is manifesting this ! SMILE

[Icecold]

Love exists in the moment. Sustaining the moment is the trick.

[58andfixed]

Love can never be a clean concept but in its simplest forms but then it is not real love but affection.

Love is a more intellectual thing than sentimental. You cannot, for example love strongly somebody who does not understand you deeply.

It could be that after some time you might have to leave somebody, exactly because you love them, since your personal journeys through life have led to you to different paths.

Hi Benign:

Re: "Love can never be a clean concept... "

Who clutters the concept ? The intention of The Creator of the Universe, or mortal men ? Can mortals take on a Divine concept and manifest a similar experience of Love ?

Re: "You cannot, for example love strongly somebody who does not understand you deeply."

Why take away the potential for no boundaries on the quantity or quality of Love that one can give ? Why set the bar for Love so low ?

Re: "It could be that after some time you might have to leave somebody,.."

Desiring to be partnered with someone doesn't take away, limit, or provide a reason to suppress Love for them.

BTW ... You are having me to resort to deep contemplation with your observations on a perspective of Love that I find few have considered.

Maybe you haven't read my 'door opener' post on Love ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13289-What-is-Love&p=132154&viewfull=1#post132154

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[jorr lundstrom]

Or......

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/BushBinLaden.jpg

[Cottage Rose]

I was inspired to start this thread for two reasons.

One was a result of a post I made regarding the meaning of the term love being a fuzzy concept.

The second is as an offshoot of Celine's Teams thread.

So what is love? I'd like to explore this idea and get as many views laid down as possible.

You may learn a new perspective or you may contribute a new perspective.

Intention: to fully explore this idea and to create a fully expanded idea of love and a possible concise definition of love....



A question about love, icecold:

Lets say, your 85 year old father has been diagnosed with a terminal illness and chooses not to seek treatment.

He is an atheist who does not want to be bothered with any further discussion about possible healing measures.

As you suspect he might, he waits untill an appropriate time when he is alone, sits down on his back patio and shoots himself in the head.

Is it love to respect his wishes even though it breaks your heart?

[58andfixed]

[/QUOTE]

A question about love, icecold:

Lets say, your 85 year old father has been diagnosed with a terminal illness and chooses not to seek treatment.

He is an atheist who does not want to be bothered with any further discussion about possible healing measures.

As you suspect he might, he waits until an appropriate time when he is alone, sits down on his back patio and shoots himself in the head.

Is it love to respect his wishes even though it breaks your heart?[/QUOTE]

Hi Cottage Rose:

My grandfather died from hanging himself.

The only thing that we have as to why, was that he had a doctor's appointment a week earlier. No note. Nothing.

My grandmother died a year later. She rode him like an Asian farmer rides a donkey. Lots of use, with appreciation & outside of food & shelter, little extra attention.

I understood the act and love them both to this very day.

My grandmother confided to me at my grandfather's funeral that she may have driven him to commit suicide. He had over 60 years of patience for her, and I didn't feel that just one more act could have driven him to execute this act.

I don't know, and either way it doesn't matter.

HTH

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[Sol Va]

Yes. (great question cottage rose)
Love is giving the people you love, what THEY want, not what you think they should want.

Love is often sacrifice.
Love is putting another's needs ahead of your own.

Love is listening when you want to speak,
Love is silent loving presence when another is in pain.
Love is letting the person in front of you become absolutely irrreplaceable.
Love is valuing. Cherishing. Protecting.

Whom would you give your life for? This is the ultimate love.
What would you give your life for?

I risked imprisonment by protesting against war. I love peace.
Love is whatever is your meaning, your soul. Your vision, the vision you are willing to act on.




Lets say, your 85 year old father has been diagnosed with a terminal illness and chooses not to seek treatment.

He is an atheist who does not want to be bothered with any further discussion about possible healing measures.

As you suspect he might, he waits untill an appropriate time when he is alone, sits down on his back patio and shoots himself in the head.

Is it love to respect his wishes even though it breaks your heart?

[Icecold]

I was inspired to start this thread for two reasons.

One was a result of a post I made regarding the meaning of the term love being a fuzzy concept.

The second is as an offshoot of Celine's Teams thread.

So what is love? I'd like to explore this idea and get as many views laid down as possible.

You may learn a new perspective or you may contribute a new perspective.

Intention: to fully explore this idea and to create a fully expanded idea of love and a possible concise definition of love....



A question about love, icecold:

Lets say, your 85 year old father has been diagnosed with a terminal illness and chooses not to seek treatment.

He is an atheist who does not want to be bothered with any further discussion about possible healing measures.

As you suspect he might, he waits untill an appropriate time when he is alone, sits down on his back patio and shoots himself in the head.

Is it love to respect his wishes even though it breaks your heart?

Yes. I also know that he is not dead and I will see that soul again....and if in some other life when I am his father, I would hope that he understood my choice to shoot myself in the head and depart the planet we were sharing together. It is hard to imagine that we live so many lives and share experiences and role reversals with our soul group. But I believe this to be the case.

Why should we love all? It may happen that someone that murders us in one life, saves our life in another. Who is to say if a soul is good or bad?

[silentghost80]

to me love is unexplainable words do not exist to to describe it , you can put love into words but those words are always lacking
how do you describe your first kiss
can you put into words how you felt in that moment
i know for me i cant truly put it into words

[mrmalco]

"Consciousness is that which recognises itself."
"Love is the recognition of the same consciousness in the other as is in oneself." Oscar Ichazo

[FutureLeFunk]

Love, is the manifestation of the energy produced from life it self.

I also believe that love/energy is a gift that just is. The love that we feel is the energy we accept from others without conditions. It is only a small leap of faith to connect with another. Conditions is what effects the energy we give to others.

Pure love/energy is just a constant of life itself. Preconditions effect the frequency of the energy that we transmit onto others. If our energy is a sine wave, a connection with another is it's natural reflection. The difference in connections is the frequency of the wave and the distance that it travels. There are perhaps three different levels of wave based around the constant. Consider a triangle as a sign of strength, but a connection between two people is only on two levels. The deepest connection (longest wavelength) is with life itself.

The closest to the perfect triangle (strength) connection, is the creation of life itself. A mother, father and infant child.

But the secret to the universe is written in all that surrounds us. Look at the flower of life, it is a reflection of a triangle.

Six, together as one. :love:

The key to the universe is the gift of life that we share.

:grouphug:

[take]

Love is being honest with other people and it should never be unconditional,it should be earned.

How does a newborn earn a mother's love?

It doesn't of course.It receives it from the woman that gave birth to it,through the powerful maternal instinct.However,when it grows up it will have to earn it.After all some babies turn into abhorrent people.

Yes, I understand what you are saying, but I have to disagree on some levels. You can still love people even if they become abhorrent. You don't have to love their actions or qualities, they have a right to be abhorrent and still to be loved.
People can earn your trust or acceptance or admiration or whatever, but the way I see it is that love just is or isn't.
Personally, anything or anyone that I have ever loved or love, has not earned it in any way. It has just been there.

Can you explain how love how can be earned? The way I see it, is that you are saying that one has to be something (or behave or act in a certain way) to recieve love. As a price? I feel you are saying, in a way, that love is some kind of a tool, a mechanism of socialization, to make people behave in a certain way, in order to recieve love. A tool of control.
And who defies what (aspects) can be loved (in a person)?

Please correct me if I got you totally wrong.
Thanks.

[rhythm]

you can only feel it ...words will never do it ...
so FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL it :first:
you are it remmmmmmmmember ...
be the love ... go on you know you want to :whoo:
and end the search ... then we can give in the true sense of the WORD..............

[goldmother]

You got me thinking !!!!!!!!!!!! thank you for that Icecold

The word love is used all the time we use it without thinking about it
I think it could be similar to light or sound an omnipresent force or energy it seems to hold the universe together even all things together. Nothing grows or thrives without it. For the creation of one thing there is always another creation and on it goes love spreading love a universal Law

This is so hard to pin down maybe you can't put it into words it just IS lol

[kasee]

eternal wellbeing from oneness

?

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pzSEQx3qeg&feature=player_embedded#at=246

Thank you all for this exellent thread !

I will now make threads that is of use to go with in and conect with one self and also diskuss the energy body !

Love is energy that is not bound. It can be freely given and it is the gretaest power that is.

Love is, and you are it.

There is nothing stopping you than you !
You have the ansver and the nolige !
But first must all illusions of you go .

Find your self.

Namaste

[kasee]

It's the look in their eyes...

[Icecold]

I love the energy on this thread...... :bump2:

[benevolentcrow]

It is fear release, the good feeling that goes deep inside to the very core of our being and you know it is right!

I will not die an unlived life. I will not live in fear of falling or catching fire. I choose to inhabit my days, to allow my living to open me, to make me less afraid, more accessible, to loosen my heart until it becomes a wing, a torch, a promise. I choose to risk my significance; to live so that which comes to me as seed goes to the next as blossom and that which comes to me as blossom, goes on as fruit.
-Dawna Markova

I think there are millions of amazing people on this planet and I love knowing that inspiration is a two-way street. I hope to inspire and if I do, it is only because I am connected through a creative circuit to the constant flow of energy I draw from others who are far more amazing than me.
-Kelly Hampton

Making the very best of what life has to offer!

[kasee]

Icecold: it's a great idea for a thread.... :cool:

[Flash]

Love is being honest with other people and it should never be unconditional,it should be earned.

Is this called tough love? (I know it isn't that, but it seems tough)

I feel we can love without thrust, you just love then at a distance, in order to have your heart opened. To me, love is unconditional at its best but not stupid, on the contrary. Giving anything else than this energy of love to a crook would be stupid.

"Love can never be a clean concept but in its simplest forms but then it is not real love but affection. Love is a more intellectual thing than sentimental.You cannot,for example love strongly somebody who does not understand you deeply."

I think - know that love is not intellectual, at least not in me. It is really physically felt in the heart region. It has its own wisdom - sometimes I think (intellectually) when I love "it loves" because it goes through you outward. Personnally I think if you wait for someone to understand you deeply to give love, you will wait forever, cause nobody really understand easily someone's else ego. In fact I stopped thinking like that when I gave birth, it is such an experience! I understood then that I cannot ask any men any longer to understand me deeply. However they still can love women, or me.

Ok that is it for my tiny wisdom.

Love to all, have a good day - it loves right now.

[TigerLilly]

Thank you Icecold for this thread.

Here is a question, do animals truly love?

My first response thinking of my dogs (much like the dog at the beginning of this thread) is certainly. However in their mating there is no love, just instinct. However loving they are with their young, they lose interest in them when they reach a certain age. In their love for humans they certainly seem to offer perfect unconditional devotion, but is it really just cupboard love and the pack instinct of choosing a leader.

On reflection I think they do, or dogs certainly do. They dedicate themselves to one person, are utterly patient and forgiving and would die for them, if that is not love then what is?

It’s strange that they seem more able to love a human than another dog.

[Icecold]

Thank you Icecold for this thread.

Here is a question, do animals truly love?

My first response thinking of my dogs (much like the dog at the beginning of this thread) is certainly. However in their mating there is no love, just instinct. However loving they are with their young, they lose interest in them when they reach a certain age. In their love for humans they certainly seem to offer perfect unconditional devotion, but is it really just cupboard love and the pack instinct of choosing a leader.

On reflection I think they do, or dogs certainly do. They dedicate themselves to one person, are utterly patient and forgiving and would die for them, if that is not love then what is?

It’s strange that they seem more able to love a human than another dog.

Thank you for this question Tiger Lilly. Your insights are magnificent. I have had German Shepherds all my life since I was a child. I can train them to respond to body language alone.
My last pair were a male and female. During sex, you are correct there was no love, just instinct. The male at the age of 13 fell down a spiral staircase and dislocated his hip. I took him to the vet. The vet said he could do nothing for him and he needed to be put down. I stayed there while the vet botched the procedure and he died in my arms. After I returned home, the bitch knew something was wrong. She began to mourn him. In a short time, weeks, she developed an illness and died. When they were together, she adored him and showed him much affection. I think she loved him.

Yes I believe dogs, like no other human companion among animals loves. Wolves mate for life and watching them, one becomes aware of the love and care they have for each other.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

baby don't hurt me

[Icecold]

baby don't hurt me

I'm thinking that's Hawaiian for 'tough love'.

[rosie]

http://i55.tinypic.com/2a5zxao.jpg

in love & light :luv:

[ace]

When you can look in the mirror
and smile.

Ace

LOL !

I would call that humility, and humility can be laughed at by all. Think of George Carlin. :)

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Humility (adjectival form: humble) is the quality of being modest, reverential, even politely submissive, and never being arrogant, contemptuous, rude or even self-abasing. Humility, in various interpretations, is widely seen as a virtue in many religious and philosophical traditions, being connected with notions of transcendent unity with the universe or the divine, and of egolessness.
adds up to love for me..........

LOL big up to Wikipedia
Ace

[Maria Stade]

Ha ha i cant keep away SMILE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WpdwZ_ymSU&feature=related

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/Vitabuffeln/gudinnablserbubblor.jpg

Simpel matematics

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/Vitabuffeln/hjrta111.png

:grouphug:

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFBZHDmc9z8&NR=1

[Maria Stade]

FREE YOUR MIND !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIYpvlQP_s



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8oAGvFxevw&feature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r35lAZmrCc&feature=related

[goldmother]

baby don't hurt me

Just can't get that song out me head now !!! :laugh:

[araucaria]

The short answer: Love is
The long answer: Love is Love is Love is Love is Love is Love is...

[TigerLilly]

Love is like oxygen!

"Never knew I could feel like this, like I've never seen the sky before.
Want to vanish inside your kiss, everyday I'm loving you more and more.
Listen to my heart can you hear it sing, come back to me and forgive everything.
Seasons may change, winter to spring,
But I'll love till the end of time."

Songs are full of love.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

x_-E6o12vWI

:hug:

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GmVajkqLNU

[giovonni]

Love is ~ allowing the greatest of loves ~ of oneself ~ while allowing others just to be themselves.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HuFsiX_rHLY/TOLQY1B20sI/AAAAAAAAAc4/V68DwSzqt-A/s1600/Love%2BYourself.jpg

[Icecold]

Love is ~ allowing the greatest of loves ~ of oneself ~ while allowing others just to be themselves.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HuFsiX_rHLY/TOLQY1B20sI/AAAAAAAAAc4/V68DwSzqt-A/s1600/Love%2BYourself.jpg


Thanks for your thoughts Gio:dance:

Love yourself like a friend

Close your eyes and think of a person you deeply love and trust, and who you know loves you-- a friend, a lover. Think about all the things you love and appreciate about them. Notice how that love feels inside you, how it makes you feel good.

Now turn it around the other way -- be your friend, feeling that same deep love for you. Trust in their love for you, and just feel it. Let yourself see your self through gentle eyes, with compassion and love the way your friend does, even if you can only do it for a moment. Now let yourself receive that love, the love you have as a friend to yourself. Feel the warmth move through you. Remember how it feels, and come back to that love another time.


Have compassion for yourself.

If you're feeling really judgemental about something you've done or said, try to understand where the judgement is coming from. Not the immediate, surface answer, but an answer deep down inside you. Are you afraid of something, or are you feeling insecure? Do you think you did something "wrong," or are you hearing the judgement of a voice from your past? Try to connect to that little kid inside of you who's feeling that way, and really listen to how s/he's feeling. Hug and reassure that kid, and let her/him know that s/he didn't do anything wrong, and that you love her/him.

You can also think of a friend having acted as you did. Imagine how you'd feel towards them -- how you'd still love them and readily forgive them if there was anything to forgive. You probably wouldn't even find it bothersome! Try to feel that same love and compassion for yourself.

[Heather2017]

Yes, sometimes words are pale shadows of what we want to express.

Love is when I see past the illusion of separation and feel oneness.

God is the only source of perfect love.

How we experience love as a soul in a 3D body is probably very different from how love is experienced in higher dimensions. We aren't capable of perfect, unconditional love, but we can get close. Who knows? We might miss giving and receiving physical affection once we no longer have a body. :hug:

[58andfixed]

Love yourself like a friend



Hi Icecold:

This thread has indeed come alive ! :)

So on the doing of "Love" what would be the thinking, if there are so many confused thoughts of what "Love" is ?

Does "Love yourself like a friend" help to clarify "What is Love?" ?

If "Love" is dependent on a "good feeling" what happens if you're Ghandi, and they just threw you in jail because you made an effort to avoid a salt tax, could you dig up "Love" when it's needed the most ?

I'm getting quite the charge out of this thread as well.

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[58andfixed]

God is the only source of perfect love.



Hi Heather2012:

Do you *know* that, or is that what you merely believe ?

What if mortals could manifest Divine Love, right here, right now - if we could be clearer what it is ?

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[Icecold]

58andfixed wrote:


If "Love" is dependent on a "good feeling" what happens if you're Ghandi, and they just threw you in jail because you made an effort to avoid a salt tax, could you dig up "Love" when it's needed the most ?

LOL. Yes I think so. In the case above, you could even if you were not Ghandi, take the view that although S*** happens, it is the universe that is teaching you something you need to learn. You could then accept the gift and express love to the universe for providing another lesson.

[Icecold]

God is the only source of perfect love.




Hi Heather2012:

Do you *know* that, or is that what you merely believe ?

What if mortals could manifest Divine Love, right here, right now - if we could be clearer what it is ?

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This is true ONLY if one recognises that WE are all god energy and therefore as Alan Watts says, we are god. We have just forgotten that.

[Icecold]

Love is the feeling we experience, when we realize that we are all connected and that we all suffer.

Love dose not suffer !

I ask you where is love ?

Hi Marie,

Bright Garlick is talking about compassionate love. Because we all have suffering in common, we feel compassion (love) for the suffering of all souls.

[Newlyn]

The fool discuss what love is
The wise one loves! ;)

[Icecold]

The fool discuss what love is
The wise one loves! ;)

LOL. That has got to be the funniest thing I've read all day. :bounce:

Thanks for the laugh Newlyn

Almost as funny as your sig line. :lol:

A member with a sense of paradox (humor).

[Next]

http://hillbullykennels.com/images/dsc04361_5dkq.jpg

[Maria Stade]

Love is the feeling we experience, when we realize that we are all connected and that we all suffer.

Love dose not suffer !

I ask you where is love ?

Hi Marie,

Bright Garlick is talking about compassionate love. Because we all have suffering in common, we feel compassion (love) for the suffering of all souls.



Thank you Icecold !

I just whanted to tell that the love is one self and when the grabbing of others go away Love has no attachment and no sorrow.

One can love others were ever they are with out the need to own anybody, with out making conditioning.

Yes we suffer with others that is true, it is the lac of love that makes this ! Not the love it self.
Many are suffering greatly now as our planet is getting polluted and in the end will we all be polluted if we do not change.
Many are dying and more will die, but that is why we are gathering here now on this forum.
The boddy die but we cant die for real. But yes we feel the pain and sorrow.

Dear all that suffer :

Turn of the TV or just throw it away.
Put on soft music that is making you in a good wibration.
Use aroma candels or oils !
Work with your self and regain your power.
Heal yor self and do ask for extra energy from others - like healers or helpers that are here to assist you.
There are many free sharing sites that offers healing and also I do so free of charge in service for the better to all that is.

Thank you Bright Garlic I have been there my self You need to get beond that.

I made yester day a new tread about out energy boddy !

Empover your self with sounds I will take in more there as a help to others.
Bringing in sounds that I have tested my self !

http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13932-Our-energy-body-!

I also recomend this thread

http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9136-Quantum-K-Healing&p=95952#post95952


Dont Feed your energy boddy with horrors !

All LOVE

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

http://i51.tinypic.com/250pkqo.jpg


http://i51.tinypic.com/oaod90.jpg

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/feelthelove2012#p/u/1/89FNX7v3Zls

[Newlyn]

The fool discuss what love is
The wise one loves! ;)

LOL. That has got to be the funniest thing I've read all day. :bounce:

Thanks for the laugh Newlyn

Almost as funny as your sig line. :lol:

A member with a sense of paradox (humor).

And you are cold as ice :) (love your avatar)

My experience about love, so far, is this:

Love is something that has to be lived. Love is not a contract to another person, nor a trade. It's more like a... flow. A force that easely can smash down everything we thought was so important. It gives true value to everything.

I see love in the growing nature. I see the flow. Nature is full of lovesongs! It's full of expression, that we might not be aware of. A flower allways gets what it needs from the environment around it, so it can bloom in full strength and than give everything back. That is how love works to me. Jesus said that the flower didn't have to fight and work for it's clothes, but not even Salomon could match a flower in all it's beuty.

It has to be a natural way of living, and has to be "trained", so to speak. I hope you see my point.

[Newlyn]

This is a beutiful piece

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSPS-hyqSZc

[benevolentcrow]

“I don't pretend to know what love is for everyone, but I can tell you what it is for me; love is knowing all about someone & still wanting to be with them more than any other person, love is trusting them enough to tell them everything about yourself, including the things you might be ashamed of, love is feeling comfortable & safe with someone, but still getting weak knees when they walk into a room & smile at you.” Unknown Author

[Heather2017]

God is the only source of perfect love.



Hi Heather2012:

Do you *know* that, or is that what you merely believe ?

What if mortals could manifest Divine Love, right here, right now - if we could be clearer what it is ?

- 58

Hi 58. It's what I believe, but as with all beliefs, it could change with new understanding. It helps me find forgiveness and compassion for myself and others.

Now a question for you. What is your understanding of Divine Love?

Heather

[Elly]

I think it could be similar to light or sound an omnipresent force or energy it seems to hold the universe together even all things together. Nothing grows or thrives without it. For the creation of one thing there is always another creation and on it goes love spreading love a universal Law


I fully agree.

Love is the strongest force in the universe!

[58andfixed]

58andfixed wrote:




If "Love" is dependent on a "good feeling" what happens if you're Ghandi, and they just threw you in jail because you made an effort to avoid a salt tax, could you dig up "Love" when it's needed the most ?

LOL. Yes I think so. In the case above, you could even if you were not Ghandi, take the view that although S*** happens, it is the universe that is teaching you something you need to learn.

You could then accept the gift and express love to the universe for providing another lesson.

Hi Icecold:

Do you think understanding people and how they often simply react & "know not what they do," helps to "Love" them, so that we still can manifest a "desire to do good" ?

- 58

[58andfixed]

God is the only source of perfect love.




Hi Heather2012:

Do you *know* that, or is that what you merely believe ?

What if mortals could manifest Divine Love, right here, right now - if we could be clearer what it is ?

- 58

This is true ONLY if one recognizes that WE are all god energy and therefore as Alan Watts says, we are god. We have just forgotten that.

Hi Icecold:

I agree that mortals are a mysterious combination of 'mortal' & 'Divine' and few *know* the formula.

I 'believe' sticking with a 'simple & succinct' perspective on "Love" one could be Agnostic or Atheist and still "get" a functional approach to "Love" is they so choose.

- 58

[Dragonfly]

What is love?
Love is the most inspiring, challenging, radiant and beautiful thing for (human) beings. It lets us experience, suffer and is a lifelong challenge.
Love can turn everything into good and love heals, though it is not always easy to understand.
We all should to keep lots of love within ourselves. Real love brings us to a point, where WE ARE free.

Kind regards,
Dragonfly

[58andfixed]

God is the only source of perfect love.



Hi Heather2012:

Do you *know* that, or is that what you merely believe ?

What if mortals could manifest Divine Love, right here, right now - if we could be clearer what it is ?

- 58

Hi 58. It's what I believe, but as with all beliefs, it could change with new understanding. It helps me find forgiveness and compassion for myself and others.

Now a question for you. What is your understanding of Divine Love?

Heather

Hi Heather2012:

As owner of one of the various & sundry versions of Gnosticism, for me, there is a difference between a 'mere belief,' and *knowing*.

Often people simply 'believe' things that they agree with, or tend to like, and not believe things that at the surface they don't agree with, or don't like.

*Knowing* would be the culmination of taking information, or an idea, comprehending it, being capable of relating to it or understanding it, and once one can then experience it, one would then *know* it.

As for "Divine Love," my understanding is the desire to do good for all Her Creation, so that ultimately we are as wise as Her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases


"Belief bias – an effect where someone's evaluation of the logical strength of an argument is biased by the believability of the conclusion."

- 58

[Icecold]

58andfixed wrote:




If "Love" is dependent on a "good feeling" what happens if you're Ghandi, and they just threw you in jail because you made an effort to avoid a salt tax, could you dig up "Love" when it's needed the most ?

LOL. Yes I think so. In the case above, you could even if you were not Ghandi, take the view that although S*** happens, it is the universe that is teaching you something you need to learn.

You could then accept the gift and express love to the universe for providing another lesson.

Hi Icecold:

Do you think understanding people and how they often simply react & "know not what they do," helps to "Love" them, so that we still can manifest a "desire to do good" ?

- 58

Yes, understanding is a key to - helps to "Love" them,

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God is the only source of perfect love.




Hi Heather2012:

Do you *know* that, or is that what you merely believe ?

What if mortals could manifest Divine Love, right here, right now - if we could be clearer what it is ?

- 58

This is true ONLY if one recognizes that WE are all god energy and therefore as Alan Watts says, we are god. We have just forgotten that.

Hi Icecold:

I agree that mortals are a mysterious combination of 'mortal' & 'Divine' and few *know* the formula.

I 'believe' sticking with a 'simple & succinct' perspective on "Love" one could be Agnostic or Atheist and still "get" a functional approach to "Love" is they so choose.

- 58

I t may be functional to an extent, but it will be severely limited. Agnostics and Atheists are intrinsically Service to Self.

[58andfixed]

It may be functional to an extent, but it will be severely limited. Agnostics and Atheists are intrinsically Service to Self.

Hi Icecold:

(Maybe) Limited, but better than nothing, or completely selfish ?

Why pre-set a line of division between believers in a Creator, and those that don't ?

If Her will is so eternally so overwhelming, why coerce any being ?

- 58

[jorr lundstrom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqVGjS6o2R8&feature=related

Yes, its not about the word

[benevolentcrow]

Pure Love, Miss Nella Pearl.

“Know you what it is to be a child? It is to be something very different from the man of to-day. It is to have a spirit yet streaming from the waters of baptism; it is to believe in love, to believe in loveliness, to believe in belief; it is to be so little that the elves can reach to whisper in your ear; it is to turn pumpkins into coaches, and mice into horses, lowness into loftiness, and nothing into everything, for each child has its fairy godmother in its own soul.” Francis Thompson

[Icecold]

It may be functional to an extent, but it will be severely limited. Agnostics and Atheists are intrinsically Service to Self.

Hi Icecold:

(Maybe) Limited, but better than nothing, or completely selfish ?

Why pre-set a line of division between believers in a Creator, and those that don't ?

If Her will is so eternally so overwhelming, why coerce any being ?

- 58

The love shining into the being is un phased by belief. There is no limitation of the penetrating love from without.

It is the being itself which controls the aperture and there lies the limitation.

An atheist does not recognise the inward flow of love from the eternal.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omrGB4HgjEg

[trenairio]

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[58andfixed]

It may be functional to an extent, but it will be severely limited. Agnostics and Atheists are intrinsically Service to Self.

Hi Icecold:

(Maybe) Limited, but better than nothing, or completely selfish ?

Why pre-set a line of division between believers in a Creator, and those that don't ?

If Her will is so eternally so overwhelming, why coerce any being ?

- 58

It is the being itself which controls the aperture and there lies the limitation.

An atheist or Agnostic does not recognize the inward flow of love from the eternal.

[QUOTE]

Hi Icecold:

Are you saying you would condition the manifestation of "Love" based on your perception of whether or not someone is Agnostic or Atheistic ?

What about the 'outward' perspective [lens] on just the delivery of a "desire to do good" ?

Why take judgment on what someone else is doing, and responding on the pre-condition ?

I don't see any evidence for The Creator not allowing the existence of whether someone chooses to do good to or not.

- 58

[Icecold]

What is Love?

To secular biologists, it is merely just a function of a evolutionary survival mechanism. To elaborate, a species can only survive if it cared and took care of one another. But this may be wrong, since it is assumed that the 'Reptilians' are devoid of love, and actually see strength and dominance as the best trait one could have. It is claimed, that these 'Reptilians' beat each other and constantly struggle against one another to reach a higher position in their clans. I guess this has been beneficial to them , since it seems that they have been able to dominate certain spheres of human affairs and likely have some influence on other 'nearby' planets as well.

If the paranormal and spiritual realms are indeed real (paranormal and spiritual being separate, not one in the same), then I'll 100% believe that in the 'ghost' form or 'spirit' form we still retain the ability to love.

The realms are real. Biologists are dogma worshippers and are as a result severely limited in their understanding and so it would seem are reptile beings.

[Icecold]

[QUOTE]

It may be functional to an extent, but it will be severely limited. Agnostics and Atheists are intrinsically Service to Self.

Hi Icecold:

(Maybe) Limited, but better than nothing, or completely selfish ?

Why pre-set a line of division between believers in a Creator, and those that don't ?

If Her will is so eternally so overwhelming, why coerce any being ?

- 58

It is the being itself which controls the aperture and there lies the limitation.

An atheist does not recognize the inward flow of love from the eternal.




Hi Icecold:

Are you saying you would condition the manifestation of "Love" based on your perception of whether or not someone is Agnostic or Atheistic ?

What about the 'outward' perspective [lens] on just the delivery of a "desire to do good" ?

Why take judgment on what someone else is doing, and responding on the pre-condition ?

I don't see any evidence for The Creator not allowing the existence of whether someone chooses to do good to or not.

- 58

LOL. It is their perception not mine. I condition nothing, they condition themselves. Delivery of a "desire to be good" are baby steps and an example of "good enough for me to feel good about myself" ergo Service to Self. I'm not judging an existing condition. It exists outside of my judgement or anybody else's judgement. It just is. If you don't see any evidence, then you don't see any evidence. It is not a matter of the eternal not allowing, its a matter of the being allowing themselves to be comfortable with their Service to Self existence. The best way to justify Service to Self is to deny the existence of a creator. Simple.

[The Mad spirtualist]

Love sucks!

[Cottage Rose]

I t may be functional to an extent, but it will be severely limited. Agnostics and Atheists are intrinsically Service to Self.

I disagree with this, Icecold.

Can a gentle, honorable, sailmaker who spends his days creating dacron masterpieces for others, never charging more than he would expect to pay himself, really be without god and service to self? A man with a bookshelf full of comparative religion/sacred science/egyptian hystory material? A man who sees all the "religious" around him acting very foolishly and making mistakes because of it? Could it be he has just not found enough facts to prove his own personal God hypothesis? Could it really be semantics?

Can the "athiest" sailmaker, worried about his dyslexic son (who has worked for him since he was a toddler) be "service to self" when he forgoes expensive medical procedures to assure his son receives the nestegg he has planned for him?

My grandfather professed to be an agnostic. Can an amateur philosopher housing contracor (who joined the Navy at 14 and never finished highschool) who takes the care to lovingly teach his young granddaughter about Plato, Aristotle, Thoreau, Emerson, Pythagoras really be considered service to self?

[TheCougarandEagle]

The manifestation of each Universe, each dimension, each solar system, each galexcy, each planet, and LIFE including US,
Was a manifestation our of unconditional LOVE. In reality, no one is being hurt, for we are Eternal Soul. In reality the only way mankind is being hurt, is by each other and truely in there own consiousness. Yet they are immortal and have always been and always will be. Distance does not exist, if you wish a glimpse of Eternity it is NOW. Memories hold there cherished reflections.
We were born out of uncondtional Love, and one day will return as Pure Being Soul, although it may take a million reincarantions for younger souls. Old souls might already be at that point.
In consideration, that I would have never have existed or experienced, or none of us would have and nothing would have existed.........

THAT IS LOVE.
Created by the prinicple of love by our Creator.
Nothing is more powerful and beautiful in Peace & Love than what he has done.
Ask me to prove this, I cannot prove it to you. But it is what I have come to know and understand as SOUL.

[58andfixed]

It is the being itself which controls the aperture and there lies the limitation.



Hi Icecold:

Interesting.

Perhaps the 'point of limitation' could also be perceived as the 'point of control.'

If one wants to stop some addictive behavior, which one matters -- the person outside who judges the behavior, or the person inside who perceives there could be a different way to respond to life ?

- 58

[Icecold]

I t may be functional to an extent, but it will be severely limited. Agnostics and Atheists are intrinsically Service to Self.

I disagree with this, Icecold.

Can a gentle, honorable, sailmaker who spends his days creating dacron masterpieces for others, never charging more than he would expect to pay himself, really be without god and service to self? A man with a bookshelf full of comparative religion/sacred science/egyptian hystory material? A man who sees all the "religious" around him acting very foolishly and making mistakes because of it? Could it be he has just not found enough facts to prove his own personal God hypothesis? Could it really be semantics?

Can the "athiest" sailmaker, worried about his dyslexic son (who has worked for him since he was a toddler) be "service to self" when he forgoes expensive medical procedures to assure his son receives the nestegg he has planned for him?

My grandfather professed to be an agnostic. Can an amateur philosopher housing contracor (who joined the Navy at 14 and never finished highschool) who takes the care to lovingly teach his young granddaughter about Plato, Aristotle, Thoreau, Emerson, Pythagoras really be considered service to self?

Thanks for this story about your grandfather CR. He sound like a very spiritual man, whatever he thought about religious dogmas. OK, he was an agnostic? I'll pull myself up on that. Yes, they do not have a specific belief in a particular god, but are open to the question. Whatever he said about existing religions, by his actions, there seems little doubt that his soul was heavily influencing his consciousness. He was a spiritual man. He just had no way of putting an appropriate label onto that desire.

I'll strike agnostics from the above statement. I obviously wasn't thinking clearly enough. :nono:

Thanks for setting my mind straight on that. My only defence is that I have not considered agnosticism for such a long time. ;)

[Icecold]

It is the being itself which controls the aperture and there lies the limitation.



Hi Icecold:

Interesting.

Perhaps the 'point of limitation' could also be perceived as the 'point of control.'

If one wants to stop some addictive behavior, which one matters -- the person outside who judges the behavior, or the person inside who perceives there could be a different way to respond to life ?

- 58

In the context of my statement, the aperture is under the influence of the person with the aperture. When you have someone "see the light", the aperture has opened to whatever degree.
love can then flow more freely into that individual. This 'seeing of the light' could be influenced by an external source such as another human being....or a puppy or a painting etc.,

[Icecold]

The manifestation of each Universe, each dimension, each solar system, each galexcy, each planet, and LIFE including US,
Was a manifestation our of unconditional LOVE. In reality, no one is being hurt, for we are Eternal Soul. In reality the only way mankind is being hurt, is by each other and truely in there own consiousness. Yet they are immortal and have always been and always will be. Distance does not exist, if you wish a glimpse of Eternity it is NOW. Memories hold there cherished reflections.
We were born out of uncondtional Love, and one day will return as Pure Being Soul, although it may take a million reincarantions for younger souls. Old souls might already be at that point.
In consideration, that I would have never have existed or experienced, or none of us would have and nothing would have existed.........

THAT IS LOVE.
Created by the prinicple of love by our Creator.
Nothing is more powerful and beautiful in Peace & Love than what he has done.
Ask me to prove this, I cannot prove it to you. But it is what I have come to know and understand as SOUL.

Totally agree with you're statement.

[58andfixed]

It is the being itself which controls the aperture and there lies the limitation.




In the context of my statement, the aperture is under the influence of the person with the aperture. When you have someone "see the light", the aperture has opened to whatever degree.
love can then flow more freely into that individual.

Hi Icecold:

So your position is that "Love" is sourced externally, and one only controls the 'letting of IT in' ?

Do I have this accurately ?

An individual has no ability to manifest "Love" ?

- 58

[58andfixed]

Was a manifestation our of unconditional LOVE.

THAT IS LOVE.



Thanks TheCougarandEagle:

So, what does a person DO other than repeat the use of the word "Love" ? -- that is the topic of the thread "What is Love ?"

If we can't DO "Love" what does "unconditional Love" mean to an individual ?

- 58

[Icecold]

It is the being itself which controls the aperture and there lies the limitation.





In the context of my statement, the aperture is under the influence of the person with the aperture. When you have someone "see the light", the aperture has opened to whatever degree.
love can then flow more freely into that individual.

Hi Icecold:

So your position is that "Love" is sourced externally, and one only controls the 'letting of IT in' ?

Do I have this accurately ?

An individual has no ability to manifest "Love" ?

- 58


58. It is this way.....

Yes the eternal is ever seeking to penetrate your senses/aperture with love/light. But you as god, can also generate internal love that is the same energy, but you are the source. Your heart chakra is the source of this love energy.

[58andfixed]

58. It is this way.....

Yes the eternal is ever seeking to penetrate your senses/aperture with love/light. But you as god, can also generate internal love that is the same energy, but you are the source. Your heart chakra is the source of this love energy.

Hi Icecold:

I'm just confused to the EXTERNAL "Love" source and why a mortal can 'block' it, and the INTERNAL "Love" source.

My heart pumps my blood.

My gut gets feelings sometimes, and that is different than the 'notions' I get, neither of which from my perspective is a control point to something that I 'believe' and have 'experienced' that I can manifest. :)

I experience two different types of energy forces. One I call 'bad' because it has a sharp edgy feeling, and one I call 'good' because it (usually, but there are exceptions) comes with meditation, starts in a specific place --- the base of the spine -- and then pulses up to my brain stem and down to my toes in a vibrational fashion.

Please tell me more so I can discern between these two different sources you postulate.

- 58

[Icecold]

58. It is this way.....

Yes the eternal is ever seeking to penetrate your senses/aperture with love/light. But you as god, can also generate internal love that is the same energy, but you are the source. Your heart chakra is the source of this love energy.

Hi Icecold:

I'm just confused to the EXTERNAL "Love" source and why a mortal can 'block' it, and the INTERNAL "Love" source.

My heart pumps my blood.

My gut gets feelings sometimes, and that is different than the 'notions' I get, neither of which from my perspective is a control point to something that I 'believe' and have 'experienced' that I can manifest. :)

I experience two different types of energy forces. One I call 'bad' because it has a sharp edgy feeling, and one I call 'good' because it (usually, but there are exceptions) comes with meditation, starts in a specific place --- the base of the spine -- and then pulses up to my brain stem and down to my toes in a vibrational fashion.

Please tell me more so I can discern between these two different sources you postulate.

- 58

It took me sometime to work out what you meant. I'm still not 100% sure,,,but here goes.....

OK. Love can be directed anywhere -in/out/up/down/around. Can we agree on that?

Good...I hope...so any being...anything....is being subjected to the pressure/love/light/ of the eternal/EXTERNAL/source...all the time...this is an everlasting process inherent in the creation.

I hope you've got that....now that is the major love source of all around us all the time. THE MAIN EXTERNAL SOURCE IN YOUR QUESTION.

A being cannot block it. The being/person will be aware of it at some level. The aperture size varies by the will/heart chakra of the being/person and this allows "enlightenment" FROM AN EXTERNAL SOURCE of whatever degree.

This does not prevent the being/person from emanating love/light themselves though for most beings this is minuscule.

Its complicated but it is coherently understandable.

Different sources:

a. You attempt to project love, you attempt to enlighten. If you can do this with power, you will radiate light. That is you doing it.

b. If you want to receive love. Then you open up to receive love/light/source.

In both cases you IF YOU WISH TO DO THIS WITH POWER then you will need to prepare and train yourself through various techniques to accomplish this. Some beings have natural abilities to do both.

I believe that answers ALL your questions.

Now that you have placed me in some kind of authority position, one that I am totally not comfortable with, I hope that is satisfactory.

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

The manifestation of each Universe, each dimension, each solar system, each galexcy, each planet, and LIFE including US,
Was a manifestation our of unconditional LOVE. In reality, no one is being hurt, for we are Eternal Soul. In reality the only way mankind is being hurt, is by each other and truely in there own consiousness. Yet they are immortal and have always been and always will be. Distance does not exist, if you wish a glimpse of Eternity it is NOW. Memories hold there cherished reflections.
We were born out of uncondtional Love, and one day will return as Pure Being Soul, although it may take a million reincarantions for younger souls. Old souls might already be at that point.
In consideration, that I would have never have existed or experienced, or none of us would have and nothing would have existed.........

THAT IS LOVE.
Created by the prinicple of love by our Creator.
Nothing is more powerful and beautiful in Peace & Love than what he has done.
Ask me to prove this, I cannot prove it to you. But it is what I have come to know and understand as SOUL.

Great post! Thank you. :thank_you2:


I think words cannot describe what love is.
I once read the following poem and it seemed to " answer" what the mind wants to know.

How
Did the rose
Ever open its heart
And give to this world
All its
Beauty?

It felt the encouragement of light
Against its
Being,
Otherwise,
We all remain
Too
Frightened.

Hafiz
http://i54.tinypic.com/2ls8jer.jpg

[Icecold]

The manifestation of each Universe, each dimension, each solar system, each galexcy, each planet, and LIFE including US,
Was a manifestation our of unconditional LOVE. In reality, no one is being hurt, for we are Eternal Soul. In reality the only way mankind is being hurt, is by each other and truely in there own consiousness. Yet they are immortal and have always been and always will be. Distance does not exist, if you wish a glimpse of Eternity it is NOW. Memories hold there cherished reflections.
We were born out of uncondtional Love, and one day will return as Pure Being Soul, although it may take a million reincarantions for younger souls. Old souls might already be at that point.
In consideration, that I would have never have existed or experienced, or none of us would have and nothing would have existed.........

THAT IS LOVE.
Created by the prinicple of love by our Creator.
Nothing is more powerful and beautiful in Peace & Love than what he has done.
Ask me to prove this, I cannot prove it to you. But it is what I have come to know and understand as SOUL.

Great post! Thank you. :thank_you2:


I think words cannot describe what love is.
I once read the following poem and it seemed to " answer" what the mind wants to know.

How
Did the rose
Ever open its heart
And give to this world
All its
Beauty?

It felt the encouragement of light
Against its
Being,
Otherwise,
We all remain
Too
Frightened.

Hafiz
http://i54.tinypic.com/2ls8jer.jpg

Synchronized.

A post appears that explains in poetry my thoughts above

Thanks IH.

When a rose opens its heart

to give to the world

it is praying, it is opening its aperture.

It felt the encouragement of light
Against its
Being,

It felt the external eternal source/light

penetrating its being

The author of this poem knows.

[Budaheart]

What isn't love?
Is there anything out there and in here that hasn´t been made from love, ultimately?

[Icecold]

What isn't love?
Is there anything out there and in here that hasn´t been made from love, ultimately?

Everything is light. It just looks different to the senses because there are different coherencies of light. You can train your eyes to see everything as light/energy.
Light is love therefore nothing is not love. I believe.

[TheSwede]

flRvsO8m_KI

[Heather2017]

flRvsO8m_KI

WOW. Thanks, I hadn't seen that before. Yes, that is definitely love.

[58andfixed]

OK. Love can be directed anywhere -in/out/up/down/around. Can we agree on that?

THE MAIN EXTERNAL SOURCE IN YOUR QUESTION.

A being cannot block it. The being/person will be aware of it at some level. The aperture size varies by the will/heart chakra of the being/person and this allows "enlightenment" FROM AN EXTERNAL SOURCE of whatever degree.

This does not prevent the being/person from emanating love/light themselves though for most beings this is minuscule.

Its complicated but it is coherently understandable.

Different sources:

a. You attempt to project love, you attempt to enlighten. If you can do this with power, you will radiate light. That is you doing it.

b. If you want to receive love. Then you open up to receive love/light/source.

In both cases you IF YOU WISH TO DO THIS WITH POWER then you will need to prepare and train yourself through various techniques to accomplish this. Some beings have natural abilities to do both.

Now that you have placed me in some kind of authority position, one that I am totally not comfortable with, .

Hi Icecold:

Simple concepts can be both simple & complicated when going through a process of comprehending & understanding to *know* it. :)

For sure, from my perspective, your perspective may be True or even true, however my point was from one of CONTROL. I may have been weak on specifying what I could not comprehend.

It seems to me the locus of CONTROL is the self, as in a person with an addiction cannot CONTROL their addiction, until first there is the awareness that there could be two different approaches -- with and without the addiction -- and then choose to CONTROL it. Their friend, partner, mother, father, brother, sister, children or God cannot. Only a person themselves CAN.

Likewise with "Love." "Love" could come from an external source, but what would it matter if all one has is CONTROL over is what they choose & decide to do.

That's all that wasn't comprehensible for me of your perspective, I can't comprehend why the involvement of two different sources of CONTROL, and could one eventually *know* the consequences for the quantity & quality of "Love" in their environment experience if there is more than one source of CONTROL ?

If I wake up with a hangover the morning after a binge, would I be able to say that I truly don't know how [since it could have been from one of two different sources] I'm experience the consequences of the excessive drinking, or if I wake up with a clear mind I wouldn't be able to say that I was completely in CONTROL of the cause that resulted in this consequence.

I do grant that if collectively a lot of individuals who live with a deep & constant desire to do good, the collective experience will create some sort of critical mass experience that will manifesting in 'unusual ways' [ I'm thinking of the 100th monkey experiments ], however this will come about as a consequence of individuals taking CONTROL of manifesting something specific that their minds can comprehend 24/7.

Either She, or Her "Laws" are in CONTROL of the critical mass required for this collective experience, and one thing I do *know* is that I don't *know* how, when or why. :)

Right now about all we can *know* is that there HASN'T been sufficient demonstration of "Love" individually to collectively manifest, other than in rare instances. Which is why I think this thread you started to discuss "What is Love?" is the most important thread on all of PA.

Words are indeed a funny thing, however when the communicatee repeats back to the communicator was NOT what was attempted at being said, than another approach needs to be attempted ? Yes ?

We can all lighten up, because you are only here to reflect on what you 'believe' or experienced and not as an authority for The Universe. Of this I do *know*. :)

- 58

[58andfixed]

What isn't love?
Is there anything out there and in here that hasn´t been made from love, ultimately?

Hi Budaheart:

- Evil.
- Selfishness.
- Lack.
- Deception.
- Lies.
- Division.
- War.
- Murder.
- Assassination.
- Hatred.
- Secrecy.
- Gossip.
- Conspiracy.

Those would not have manifested out of the "Love" that I *know*.

- 58

[58andfixed]

I think words cannot describe what love is.


Hi Icecold: (EDIT: Apologies. Looks like this belongs to Ineffable Hitchhiker]

I think that if we can't describe it clearly & succinctly, then "Love" will continue being what it has been throughout history. Cloudy, fuzzy and confused.

Clarity & precision can be comprehended and duplicated without confusion can bring astounding results. :)

- 58

[58andfixed]

Re: Dick & Tim Hoyt

Thanks The Swede:

Of this I *know* for my older brother was born with Cerebral Palsy.

This perspective of life from the inside of a cage, while other keep a distance from something they don't understand and draw a line of division to keep them separate, brings with it an opportunity for a theology & philosophy that few could comprehend the depth of.

Truly a marinated in a lifetime of perspective.

I continue to volunteer with those deprived of the option for physical participation in life as most people know it.

- 58

[Budaheart]

[QUOTE=Budaheart;137629]What isn't love?

Hi Budaheart:

- Evil.
- Selfishness.
- Lack.
- Deception.
- Lies.
- Division.
- War.
- Murder.
- Assassination.
- Hatred.
- Secrecy.
- Gossip.
- Conspiracy.

Those would not have manifested out of the "Love" that I *know*.

- 58

Indeed, you are right. Those aspects wouldnt have manifested from the love that YOU KNOW.
But seeing that ultimately, all is energy and energy can be considered as a manifestation of the One Source, and if you consider that the one Source is Love, then the field of all possibilities that we call energy or ocean of energy, gives rise to all possibilities without judgement of good and bad. From that field of all possibilties also rises your choice of what love is, therefore, other possibilities are not conceivable by you...but that doesn´t mean they are not there as seeds of possibilities.

You see, there is an absolute level and a relative level, on the relative what you say is absolutely right, on the absolute, the perspective is much wider and all embracing...The absolute, all loving, creates all that is and as parts of that absolute, we also create the good the bad the not so good...but its all part of the divine play...once you move the curtains and see that all was a play...you shake hands with the actors, don´t kill the actor for he was just interpreting a role.

Love
B

[58andfixed]

Indeed, you are right. Those aspects wouldn't have manifested from the love that YOU KNOW.

But seeing that ultimately, all is energy and energy can be considered as a manifestation of the One Source, and if you consider that the one Source is Love, then the field of all possibilities that we call energy or ocean of energy, gives rise to all possibilities without judgment of good and bad.



Thanks Budaheart:

I believe energy is energy, and "Love" is an idea that can be made manifest.

I don't believe that what is manifested on the ORB is the result of HER Will, but a consequence of our collective choices and actions.

I don't believe in a dualistic Universe -- that "Good" requires some balance for "Bad" or "Evil."

I do believe that "Good" was the intention, "Free Will Choice" was granted, and be it either innocent ignorance or malevolence -- it really doesn't matter -- the end result is that we experience "Bad" or "Evil" as a consequence.

How else are we mortals to consider the consequences of our actions, as was designed in HER Universe ?

This is off of the topic of "What is Love ?" however near enough for these associated ideas to be discussed, IMO.

- 58

[Icecold]

I'm going to get back to this later. I have to go out and teach.

Later 58andfixed ;)

[Budaheart]

Hi 58andfixed...

I don´t consider love as an idea myself although for the purpose of talking, we are creating an idea of love, indeed! :P
The rest of your post describes a scenario I am not sure I can agree with, in the sense of, allow me to paraphrase...
if the intention is GOOD, and Free will choice was granted, but the consequence is Bad and evil...then,
either Source didn´t consider the consequences of its intention and the grant of free will, or it actually did consider the consequences, and therefore, "good" and "evil or bad" are also part of the "goodness", the original intention, and therefore, are just fine, part of the play...included in the package for possible different purposes...(that´s another story, the purposes, the "whys")

Cheers,
Barbara

[The Mad spirtualist]

What is love? Baby don't hurt me,:dance: don't hurt me no more.........

[Bright Garlick]

Hi 58andfixed - I believe that the universe is. It is non dualistic, nondual and dualistic and non dualistic. When we feel the suffering of others we see that we are not separate. Love arises as we feel our connectedness to them. This usually happens in those closest to us first. Shallow love is an attachment to surface features. Deep love is a feeling for all and has no attachment.

We usually suffer with love because it becomes our strongest attachment. Few among us is free of this attachment. :dance:

[Cottage Rose]

I t may be functional to an extent, but it will be severely limited. Agnostics and Atheists are intrinsically Service to Self.

I disagree with this, Icecold.

Can a gentle, honorable, sailmaker who spends his days creating dacron masterpieces for others, never charging more than he would expect to pay himself, really be without god and service to self? A man with a bookshelf full of comparative religion/sacred science/egyptian hystory material? A man who sees all the "religious" around him acting very foolishly and making mistakes because of it? Could it be he has just not found enough facts to prove his own personal God hypothesis? Could it really be semantics?

Can the "athiest" sailmaker, worried about his dyslexic son (who has worked for him since he was a toddler) be "service to self" when he forgoes expensive medical procedures to assure his son receives the nestegg he has planned for him?

My grandfather professed to be an agnostic. Can an amateur philosopher housing contracor (who joined the Navy at 14 and never finished highschool) who takes the care to lovingly teach his young granddaughter about Plato, Aristotle, Thoreau, Emerson, Pythagoras really be considered service to self?

Thanks for this story about your grandfather CR. He sound like a very spiritual man, whatever he thought about religious dogmas. OK, he was an agnostic? I'll pull myself up on that. Yes, they do not have a specific belief in a particular god, but are open to the question. Whatever he said about existing religions, by his actions, there seems little doubt that his soul was heavily influencing his consciousness. He was a spiritual man. He just had no way of putting an appropriate label onto that desire.

I'll strike agnostics from the above statement. I obviously wasn't thinking clearly enough. :nono:

Thanks for setting my mind straight on that. My only defence is that I have not considered agnosticism for such a long time. ;)

I notice you are holding your original thought on the atheist. I have pondered this.....

Perhaps, I am guilty of looking at the situation the way I wish it were. I admit I definitely thought service to self might be the case in the past. He and my brother treated my Grandmother terribly when my mother died.

Mine was an unusual situation. My maternal grandmother and my paternal grandfather married and my parents met and married. The grandparents lived in the same house or duplex all my life and I spent more time with them.

By all rights my grandmother was financially entitled to her side of the duplex when my mother passed. But, Dad and my brother, kicked her out and pawned her off on my Aunt. Grandma was a sweet, empathic, artistic woman who had friends and sisters nearby. She had the means to support herself. It broke her heart and she never spoke to either of them again. I think she died of a broken heart. She and my mother were so close. To lose her daughter and her home at the same time left her without the will to live. My father promised my Grandfather on his deathbed he would take care of Grandma. But, they said they would not have time to "take care" of her and my brother wanted to move in her place with his girlfriend. It was immediately after the funeral, my brother told me "Grandma's going to have to move." That really took me aback. Then those two went dining and drinking with my brother's girlfriend and her mother immediately after the funeral. I never saw my brother shed a tear.

Thanks for making me think, Icecold.

[58andfixed]

I believe that the universe is.

It is non dualistic, nondual and dualistic and non dualistic. When we feel the suffering of others we see that we are not separate.

Love arises as we feel our connectedness to them.

Thanks Bright Garlick:

I'm not at all clear on your point on dualism is. :)

You might be endorsing me, you might be agin' me -- I just can't tell which. :)

Maybe it might be worth a visit to Wikipedia for a closer look on the concept:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism

"Most religious systems have some form of moral dualism - in western religions, for instance, a conflict between good and evil."

That's NOT what I 'believe' or *know*. I 'believe' that The Creator desired that we all experience 'good,' and also endowed us with "Free Will Choice."

As a consequence of mortals not recognizing the consequences of poor choices, other mortals have bad &/or evil experiences.

It might simply be due to innocent ignorance, or it might be due to malevolence [the people that hire 'Charles'] -- it doesn't matter which -- both deliver the consequences of similar result. Some we refer to as the 'evil elitists' and some we refer to as 'apathetic.'

There wasn't a 'Plan' by Her to have some kind of 'balance' of good and evil -- dualism.

That's what I meant when I referred to the term.

I think visiting the concept of dualism ties in closely with a succinct & clear understand of what "Love" is, because the clearer each of us are about "Love" the more likely it is for "Love" to be manifested.

HTH

- 58

[58andfixed]

Hi 58andfixed...

if the intention is GOOD, and Free will choice was granted, but the consequence is Bad and evil...

then, either Source didn´t consider the consequences of its intention and the grant of free will, or it actually did consider the consequences, and therefore, "good" and "evil or bad" are also part of the "goodness", the original intention, and therefore, are just fine, part of the play

...included in the package for possible different purposes...

Cheers,

Barbara

Thanks Barbara / Budaheart:

No. You have not understood what I'm trying to communicate -- at least by what you are attempting to say back to me. :(

Intention is one thing that is necessary and "Love" can be a part of intention, but it's not me that is attempting to wrap the two together in a definition of "What is Love ?"

I'm saying "Love" can be most succinctly and pragmatically defined as the "DESIRE to do good."

The doing of good, the appropriate perception of how, when & why this 'good' is delivered in not the necessary nor the functional part. DESIRE is. Desire of what ? DESIRE to do Good.

That would be how I define a functional approach to "What Love is."

Associated with good or "Love" on this ORB, not so pleasant things exist in abundance, just as frequent LACK of other things are -- and this planet has a plethora examples of this. Just as we have plenty examples of "Love."

Let's not worry about what SHE expected, other than to understand HER wisdom is infinitely patient, and focus on what the individual must be clear about in manifesting "Love."

Mortals are in control of this ORB. That is the consequence of "Free Will Choice" -- our choices come without interference.

The individual controls what is manifested in their life in what they do, not in what happens to them. So, if we can consider that each of us bears the consequences of our individual actions [we are one] we contribute to the solution of manifesting "Love" at the point of control, our thoughts and our actions.

This thread wasn't about what the Divine Source might be considering or did consider, this thread was to explore "What Love is," with an implied - by mortals - because that is who has physical access to computers, an account & profile at PA, and operate though a conscious cognitive faculty. :)

HTH

- 58

[Budaheart]

58andfixed thanks for clarifying your view which I may have misunderstood.
I get your pragmatic definition of what love is according to you :)
my understanding is that love is.
then we can add
Love is a living force
holds things together
gives birth to the desire to be
embraces all
and so forth...

Love to you
Barbara

[benevolentcrow]

Love has no desire but to fulfill itself. To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night. To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving. ~Kahlil Gibran

[58andfixed]

58andfixed thanks for clarifying your view which I may have misunderstood.

I get your pragmatic definition of what love is according to you :)

my understanding is that love is.

then we can add

Love is a living force

holds things together

gives birth to the desire to be

embraces all

and so forth...

Love to you
Barbara

Thanks Barbara / Budaheart:

Thank you for the observation of the pragmatism of my approach in defining "What Love is."

From my observations of many people, on a topic I have discussed at many dinner parties throughout the evening and well into the morning ... :)

... that "Love is energy" (feeling, and an energy, and a vibration, and a state/being/an identity) (one truth) (absolute by nature) (that which you spend your time thinking about) (living force) (something outside of us) (connects living things) (smooshy & fuzzy) DOESN'T help to communicate an idea of/with clarity and might as well simply be represented by **** and isn't even in a dictionary.

[Please see one of my earlier post #4 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13289-What-is-Love&p=122168&viewfull=1#post122168 ]

.. and recent Bibles can't be trusted source to help us define an act of "Love."

If engineers, scientists and mathematicians used a key concept like "add together" [ aka the + sign ] but people could used it to do stuff like 2 + 2 = 7, and that would be OK, because "+" isn't defined accurately and understood to be precisely one thing, would this loosy-goosy grey-zonish version of "+" be functionally reliable ?

I take the same approach when the thread was opened, and not only no specifics were offered, this word "Love" which has so many sundry & varied uses was even encouraged to have some additional modifiers [ unconditional, eternal, undefined, resolved in eternity ].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

"Cognitive bias is a general term that is used to describe many distortions in the human mind that are difficult to eliminate and that lead to perceptual distortion, inaccurate judgment, or illogical interpretation."

"Belief bias – an effect where someone's evaluation of the logical strength of an argument is biased by the believability of the conclusion."

So, yes, I DO take issue that the ambivalence with which we understand what "Love" is, in innocent ignorance, contributes to the confusion of manifesting "Love" as I perceive "Love" was intended by The Eternal Divinity, for all beings throughout The Universe, not just on this planet, and most of use have been deceived through our biases about a need to have clarity about one of the more important concepts required to bring about the 'direction of disaster' this ORB is on, and stop looking for people to take the blame.

Even if we do find the 'alcoholic' that is causing such a 'hangover' for this ORB, could we ever force them to stop ?

If we are asked in some point in eternity about "what was our contribution to effect "Love on Planet Earth" ?

Would we reply "I was too busy looking for people that were causing the problems" ?

Or would we want to reply "Yes. First I discovered an understandable version of "Love" and spent my lifetime manifesting "Love" whenever I could."

Which would be the accountable & responsible approach ?

Just some other things to consider.

- 58

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_bzuNWnT-Q

[Budaheart]

58andfixed

And still...Love is

:)


Love
B

[Kindred]

I've written this before, but it bears repeating.

LOVE is the Desire, the Willingness and the Action of:
GIVING ALL THAT YOU ARE, ALL THAT YOU EVER WILL BE,
And expecting Nothing in return...

[Linden]

Shezbeth: *For one's love to be unconditional IS a condition. 'Without boundries' IS a boundry. 'Undefined' IS a definition. 'Infinite' IS a limitation.*

I'm seeing a flow here. So is it cyclical and is not only a spectrum, but a complete cycle that flows continuously?

[Linden]

Love is void of ego. It is being open and vulnerable so that it frees the spirit to commune with the other droplets of the source which makes everything *one*......We are ultimately and always shall be ....... *Love*

[Icecold]

The Shaman's experience of love......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_Dbl_ANww0&feature=related

[Icecold]

For my friend Waya.

May his soul soar like the eagle......on its silent journey




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdFIDeK8_t0&feature=related

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJzKMZCdCA&feature=player_embedded

:luv:

[Maria Stade]

You are beautyful !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRn_hmp7Jeg&feature=related

[ace]

A Love Story

I shall seek and find you.

I shall take you to bed and control you.

I will make you ache, shake and sweat until you grunt and groan.

I will make you beg for mercy.

I will exhaust you to the point that you will be relieved when I leave you.

And you will be weak for days.

All my love,

The Flu

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JvlXVQoO3M

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_wFEB4Oxlo

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLr1ZBD9fRk

[Steve C]

Deleted post

;)

[Steve C]

Deleted post

;)

[Peace of Mind]

Love is seen in everything. It creates everything you see. Without love, everything you see would not exist because there would not be enough desire to create them.
Love is also going out of your way to demonstrate to others just how easy it is to be happy and free…

Peace

[jackovesk]

Love is looking into a Mirror, for without self-love you can't be truely loved by another!

Family, Relatives & Friends excluded.

To go even Deeper, to know true love is to know thineself!

No real Mystery when you really think about it, Hey!

[Janos]

What is love?

hllTWhZPIzg

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pF5bai_44s

[Icecold]

Thanks Maria, I love that vid.

For me that is true civilisation. ;)

[Maria Stade]

Thanks Maria, I love that vid.

For me that is true civilisation. ;)

So do I :hug:

And yes we need to connect to that again by heart and body.
And in the way we see the living on this planet.
To honore all that is.

Thank you Icecold

All Love

[dejavu]

What a load of nonsense from my perspective anyway! No disrespect to anyone love is what you think it is so love is who you are!

[Icecold]

Don't forget your remarks are noted by others and they will judge you on your remarks.


What a load of nonsense from my perspective anyway!

Take care.

[dejavu]

Don't forget your remarks are noted by others and they will judge you on your remarks.

[QUOTE]What a load of nonsense from my perspective anyway!

Oops! That was a thought that should have stayed in my head and never written down! Apologies for that negativity it was unnecessary and disrespectful to others opinions.

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSehtaY6k1U

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leohcvmf8kM

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9jA_4O3GI

[Icecold]

Hey Jorr. :whoo::welcome:

Jorr, a famous jazz musician once said that he understood the language of birds.

The understanding led him to believe that all birdsong is a questioning....that it is in essence the asking of questions.

[Steven]

My understanding,

Love maintains all that exist into existence. We come from the Spirit and the Spirit loves all that exist. It takes minimally two for love to circulate, it is like a current, with a source and a destination. It is a power, just like fear, that makes our thoughts to be focused on the beloved. Without it, the focus fades and the existence cease.

Passion is often confused with Love. When passion pass the test of time, it is Love.

Namaste, Steven

[Janos]

Love to me is an unconditional force. Kind of like when your cat comes and rubs on your hand and purrs. It doesn't matter what you've done, that cat still loves you. If it is conditionally given, it is not 'love', imho. But then again, you know what they say about armpits and opinions. ;)

[jorr lundstrom]

Wot a about this gentleman?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVZVm_ReDe0

[jorr lundstrom]

My avatar steps out of the australian photo and goes into action. This is love.:hug:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeCf1kRVtA0&feature=related

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEFJwL4-Kcw

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6VaeFCxta8

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

I have a love, a deep love for animals, especially elephants.
I was once in the bush in South Africa and witnessed these gentle giants myself and cannot begin to tell you what it is I fellt when I saw them.
I have no words that can describe or explain my feelings, so I hazard a guess and call it love. :)

A while back I watched a documentary about them and was moved to tears when they showed scenes of a group of elephants arriving at a site of elephant bones.
I haven´t managed to find the exact scene ie. of the documentary I watched, but here is a short excerpt on how elephants react when arriving at a pile of bones. This piece doesn´t really do the wonderful documentary I watched much justice, especially with the music at the end, but you get the general idea.

If elephants "grieve" (for want of a better word), then surely they must have felt love too ?
I don´t know. It is a mystery.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZuW7M4VbDs&feature=related

[Cottage Rose]

I have a love, a deep love for animals, especially elephants.

If elephants "grieve" (for want of a better word), then surely they must have felt love too ?
I don´t know. It is a mystery.

Thank you, Ineffable Hitchhiker. That clip is going to stay with me for long time.

[benevolentcrow]

Find the love you seek , by first finding the love within yourself. Learn to rest in that place within you that is your true home......Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

[sllim11]

vTwpt1v7NvQ

this is from an art installation "ASHES AND SNOW". quite moving.
and the singer is lisa gerrard. a personal favorite.

enjoy.

[Flash]

may be this is love

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pKFEEX6T1AU/S8S9RqSzYcI/AAAAAAAAACE/__q43tvl6nU/s1600/earth.gif

[Flash]

or may be this

http://www.kaheel7.com/userimages/dark-earth-01.JPG

[Icecold]

This is beautiful Slim11.

Thank you ;)


this is from an art installation "ASHES AND SNOW". quite moving.
and the singer is lisa gerrard. a personal favorite.

[Maria Stade]

River of LOVE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKvjHFBasKk&feature=related

[davyj0nes]

That vid cannot be viewed in Australia on copyright grounds. :ballchain:
did you mean mine? if so my apologies, it was the music video 'what is love (baby don't hurt me, no more) made famous by the roxbury guys skit on SNL.
http://tinyurl.com/whutisluv

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xHGrWhcOO0&feature=player_embedded

[ROMANWKT]

Remove all your senses.go within and find peace and balance, return to your senses, now walk

[Icecold]

Thank you for your thoughts Roman :nod:

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIn5fmqPyrY&feature=related

[Icecold]

That was utterly beautiful Maria :hug:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XiFC-iJJX0&feature=related

Jorr would have loved it. :)

[Next]

Very beautiful video and message Maria Stade.

[Icecold]

A poem for Jorr and Maria.....



True Love

True love. Is it normal
is it serious, is it practical?
What does the world get from two people
who exist in a world of their own?

Placed on the same pedestal for no good reason,
drawn randomly from millions but convinced
it had to happen this way - in reward for what?
For nothing.
The light descends from nowhere.
Why on these two and not on others?
Doesn't this outrage justice? Yes it does.
Doesn't it disrupt our painstakingly erected principles,
and cast the moral from the peak? Yes on both accounts.

Look at the happy couple.
Couldn't they at least try to hide it,
fake a little depression for their friends' sake?
Listen to them laughing - its an insult.
The language they use - deceptively clear.
And their little celebrations, rituals,
the elaborate mutual routines -
it's obviously a plot behind the human race's back!

It's hard even to guess how far things might go
if people start to follow their example.
What could religion and poetry count on?
What would be remembered? What renounced?
Who'd want to stay within bounds?

True love. Is it really necessary?
Tact and common sense tell us to pass over it in silence,
like a scandal in Life's highest circles.
Perfectly good children are born without its help.
It couldn't populate the planet in a million years,
it comes along so rarely.

Let the people who never find true love
keep saying that there's no such thing.

Their faith will make it easier for them to live and die.


Wislawa Szymborska

[Maria Stade]

Thank you Icecold You are so beautyful !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYfmLpUG_XU

All Love

Maria and Jorr say thank you !

Hugs:hug:

[TimelessDimensions]

you cannot write in words what is love, but you can describe what is not love.

[58andfixed]

you cannot write in words what is love, but you can describe what is not love.

Thanks TimelessDimensions:

Please take a look at my effort on page 3:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13289-What-is-Love&p=132154&viewfull=1#post132154

Setting a bar for "What is Love?" won't be an easy one, for any specific action or thought to manifest "Love" hasn't appeared to me to have been established as a common experience on this ORB.

I'd like an honest & constructive bit of criticism.

- 58

[Icecold]

you cannot write in words what is love, but you can describe what is not love.

Thanks TimelessDimensions:

Please take a look at my effort on page 3:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13289-What-is-Love&p=132154&viewfull=1#post132154

Setting a bar for "What is Love?" won't be an easy one, for any specific action or thought to manifest "Love" hasn't appeared to me to have been established as a common experience on this ORB.

I'd like an honest & constructive bit of criticism.






- 58


Always questioning 58andfixed :)

Well Timeless, the lady wants you to support your statement.

If you read my first few posts you'll see that what you think is not love, may in fact BE love.....so can you give us some more detail in your thoughts there?

Thank you sir.

[benevolentcrow]

I love my family. I love my friends. I love the little things in life that add up to one big huge thing. I'd rather be wiser than richer, and I want to be inspired every day to love better and live bigger.
K. Hampton

Me too.

[Charlie Pecos]

Love is.........

My beautiful wife
who should have cut and run
who had every right to call the game
on account of pouring rain

Instead she chose to stay and fight
with a heart so pure and true
It was a cold walk through a long, dark night
True love evident through and through

Together we stand
To show others the way
Love and Forgiveness
Patience and Perseverance

A relationship more fulfilling
Than either dared to dream
Two hearts that beat as one
In divine embrace

We dance our dance of life
To the melody of one true God
Now and forever
Together 'til the end



Dedicated to my wife. I love you babe.
Thank you for not giving up on me.

[58andfixed]

Love is.........

Together we stand
To show others the way
Love and Forgiveness
Patience and Perseverance



Nice Charlie Pecos:

I suppose why I've exerted such effort to be able to put "What is Love?" into succinct word forms that people can comprehend & potentially make manifest, is simply a result of contemplation of the 100th Monkey Experiment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_monkey_effect

http://www.worldgathering.net/times/monkey100.htm

THE 'COLLECTIVE UNCONSCIOUS' AND THE '100TH MONKEY' EFFECT

"The following is from 'Lifetide', by Lyall Watson. Book Club Associates, London, 1979. Pages 155-158."

To me, the "Collective Unconscious" isn't just a proposition or an idea, but a fact, and is the 'tie that binds us into one.'

If more peeps had a clearer idea of precisely "What is Love," then there is the potential that the 'critical mass' necessary to manifest a different experience could be had with less people.

Simply using the word "Love" isn't adding to clarity of "What is Love," other than a nice fuzzy feeling when the word is seen, read, or heard. IMHO.

& that is a pun.in.10.did :)

-58

[Charlie Pecos]

Hi 58andfixed,

I was perusing the thread and was just inspired to write, as I never write poetry. The words flowed through me.
To me, love is realizing that there is no separation, that we are all one, and the one are all. The feeling that I had when I was truly introduced to that concept is indescribable.
A tremendous amount of emotion flowed through me, and it was holding back for my comfort. I can only describe it as True Love.

Mere words are inadequate to describe intense and powerfull feeling, to speak of Love.
For Love itself is unspeakable.
Love must be shown, demonstrated to others, for this is the only way to truly "speak" to one another of it's beauty.
We simply cannot put the essence of "what is" into words and have the faintest hope of accurately translating the actual feeling.
To attempt to do so honors It and Us, but falls terribly short by design.
All are experience, experience is everything.:)

[Icecold]

Well I just LOVE this thread.

Thanks to every one that contributes, it really has been a pleasure....don't stop....don't stop. ;)

[heretogrow]

Love is...
Remembering who you are, what you really are, and what you will always be throughout infinity. It is embracing the fact that even though you are a physical body on this earthly journal now, you have always been and will be a part of Source. You are Source...YOU are love!

[58andfixed]

[QUOTE=Charlie Pecos;155212]

Hi 58andfixed,

Mere words are inadequate to describe intense and powerful feeling, to speak of Love.

For Love itself is unspeakable.

Love must be shown, demonstrated to others, for this is the only way to truly "speak" to one another of it's beauty.

We simply cannot put the essence of "what is" into words and have the faintest hope of accurately translating the actual feeling.
[QUOTE]

Thanks Charlie Pecos:

Consider this.

We've figured out words to communicate to someone what they need to do to earn a living - earning a living is done a lot on this ORB.

We've figured out words to partner up, have physical interactions & have children. We've just popped the 7 Billion mark.

http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

There a lot of things we find words for, and can be precisely accurate.

Why is it then, for the one of the most important experiences on this ORB, IMHO is "Love," that we can't even approach a semblance of a common description of "What Love is" to communicate it to one another, especially when one is limited to typing and reading words ?

If we cannot even imagine, how are we to communicate and then make manifest that idea ?

- 58

[Icecold]

Why is it then, for the one of the most important experiences on this ORB, IMHO is "Love," that we can't even approach a semblance of a common description of "What Love is" to communicate it to one another, especially when one is limited to typing and reading words ?

If we cannot even imagine, how are we to communicate and then make manifest that idea ?

Most people have a very limited idea of love.

It is not certain, by any measure of truth, that any explanation of love is true.

There is no benchmark to which we can refer.

We learn through experience what love is and even after a lifetime of experience, we may still be very far from the truth of the reality of love.

Everyone's interpretation of love is their truth. That is what they carry through life. A personal experience of love.

Love can be expressed in words, at least an individual's personal meaning of love. This seems obvious.

But if man is incapable of knowing fully the truth of love, then the limited vision will always fall short.

Feelings or emotions can embody a notion of love, an interpretation of love, but many confuse love with desire.

Pure love or right love is not self serving.

An outward manifestation of serving others seems to be the closest we as humans will come to actively manifesting love.


I have found that on those rare occasions when I connect to the source, that I both send and receive love simultaneously, yet nothing is given or taken.

[TigerLilly]

you cannot write in words what is love, but you can describe what is not love.

I will try.............

WHAT IS LOVE
Too often when we think of LOVE we think mainly of romantic love or parental love.

Romantic love is more inclined to be based on obsession and desire, and to be very conditional upon the person fulfilling our needs. Too often being “IN LOVE” can quickly turn into being “IN HATE” when disappointment kicks in.

Parental love is much closer to real love although sadly we sometimes force our own ambitions and ideas upon our children.

True Love is a rare and beautiful thing and comes from within, it is not something that we can find in or through others.

Once we find it it fills us and spreads outwards touching everyone and everything we come in contact with. You will know when you find it, it transforms everything!


How do we find it?

Begin with the hardest……yourself. Firstly we must forgive ourselves, value ourselves, and let go of all regrets. Look back recognize the lessons and feel gratitude.

Then start with the most difficult people, for example your EX if you have one, or that s**t that broke your heart, the bully from school, or your hated boss!
Think of them, forgive, understand…. Believe me it really works. There was a time when my ex and I couldn’t stand to be in the same room, now he is one of my best friends.

Once you change the way you think about someone the relationship is transformed and the other person can’t help but respond. That is when you truly realize the power of thought.

Once you have mastered the difficult ones everyone else is easy. Constantly ask yourself when dealing with anyone…. How would I act if this person was my child, lover or best friend? Then act accordingly.

Rapidly your heart will expand and be filled with joy, your days will be filled with smiles and kindness, everyone will respond and love you back…………..

this is LOVE!

TigerLilly

[folotheflo]

"what is love". well now, there's a juicy one. in my own experience, love is growth, and hate is destruction, and both are necessary for life. they are infact both, extreme opposites of the same spectrum.

[Charlie Pecos]

Why is it then, for the one of the most important experiences on this ORB, IMHO is "Love," that we can't even approach a semblance of a common description of "What Love is" to communicate it to one another, especially when one is limited to typing and reading words ?

If we cannot even imagine, how are we to communicate and then make manifest that idea ?



I have learned all that I know about Love from those around me who never spoke to it. They showed it, exampled it. For me, to try to put the true essence of Love into words is a noble effort, one worthy of trial. But to truly know the essence of All, one must feel. I could write of their selfless acts, I could tell you many wonderful and simple stories, yet I would fall far short in telling you how they truly made me feel. I have not the words, nor do they exist, to definitively describe Love. I can tell you where I see it most. It is in the eyes of the newly arrived. No words can describe the connection I feel with our new earthly visitors. Pure essence of the Creator, perfection, unconditional Love. The children.

The Creator, Love, they are one in the same. No separation. How does one put words to something that created words, created us? It is like asking a rose to describe it's origins when the true description is already found in it's natural beauty, by it just "being". If you ask me to define love, I cannot. Each of us will define Him in their own way, what Love means to them.
Love is......... so much greater than words.

[TigerLilly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX90DZq2OLA

[guido]

the power of love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShN8UIk5-mw&feature=related

[folotheflo]

Why is it then, for the one of the most important experiences on this ORB, IMHO is "Love," that we can't even approach a semblance of a common description of "What Love is" to communicate it to one another, especially when one is limited to typing and reading words ?

If we cannot even imagine, how are we to communicate and then make manifest that idea ?



I have learned all that I know about Love from those around me who never spoke to it. They showed it, exampled it. For me, to try to put the true essence of Love into words is a noble effort, one worthy of trial. But to truly know the essence of All, one must feel. I could write of their selfless acts, I could tell you many wonderful and simple stories, yet I would fall far short in telling you how they truly made me feel. I have not the words, nor do they exist, to definitively describe Love. I can tell you where I see it most. It is in the eyes of the newly arrived. No words can describe the connection I feel with our new earthly visitors. Pure essence of the Creator, perfection, unconditional Love. The children.

The Creator, Love, they are one in the same. No separation. How does one put words to something that created words, created us? It is like asking a rose to describe it's origins when the true description is already found in it's natural beauty, by it just "being". If you ask me to define love, I cannot. Each of us will define Him in their own way, what Love means to them.
Love is......... so much greater than words.

i have to mostly agree, but i can't help thinking that love can be understood and then felt through words alone, for example, as one who feels love, the words you write above convey and express love to me very well, your desription fills me with love, knowing that another being is prepared to feel and express love. if it can be written so that it can be understood, and allow connection, it will be known

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcgNJ7cgDVs

[Charlie Pecos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX90DZq2OLA

Beautiful and empowering, thank you TigerLilly.

[777]

Love for me is the displayable, known and felt ebb and flow of consciousness and its' results therein. Everything from dark to light is the result of consciousness in varying shades of grey, all on the same scale, just at different points. That scale is love.

You can argue dropping a nuclear bomb is done out of love for your own people at the detriment of others. Hard to swallow as that is....... it's love people.

:hippie:

[Charlie Pecos]

Why is it then, for the one of the most important experiences on this ORB, IMHO is "Love," that we can't even approach a semblance of a common description of "What Love is" to communicate it to one another, especially when one is limited to typing and reading words ?

If we cannot even imagine, how are we to communicate and then make manifest that idea ?



I have learned all that I know about Love from those around me who never spoke to it. They showed it, exampled it. For me, to try to put the true essence of Love into words is a noble effort, one worthy of trial. But to truly know the essence of All, one must feel. I could write of their selfless acts, I could tell you many wonderful and simple stories, yet I would fall far short in telling you how they truly made me feel. I have not the words, nor do they exist, to definitively describe Love. I can tell you where I see it most. It is in the eyes of the newly arrived. No words can describe the connection I feel with our new earthly visitors. Pure essence of the Creator, perfection, unconditional Love. The children.

The Creator, Love, they are one in the same. No separation. How does one put words to something that created words, created us? It is like asking a rose to describe it's origins when the true description is already found in it's natural beauty, by it just "being". If you ask me to define love, I cannot. Each of us will define Him in their own way, what Love means to them.
Love is......... so much greater than words.

i have to mostly agree, but i can't help thinking that love can be understood and then felt through words alone, for example, as one who feels love, the words you write above convey and express love to me very well, your desription fills me with love, knowing that another being is prepared to feel and express love. if it can be written so that it can be understood, and allow connection, it will be known

Absolutely. The message I bring is one of feeling and not words. Words are powerful and can affect us in profound ways, both good and bad. But the true essence of what we call Love is much more than words, it is feeling. What I say to you is this: If you feel it, truly feel His Presence in everything, then will you know Loves' true definition.
Watch TigerLilly's video.

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-r_f8-qz8&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8dKcvROnl4

All Love

[Jayke]

Absolutely. The message I bring is one of feeling and not words. Words are powerful and can affect us in profound ways, both good and bad. But the true essence of what we call Love is much more than words, it is feeling. What I say to you is this: If you feel it, truly feel His Presence in everything, then will you know Loves' true definition.
Watch TigerLilly's video.

Wholeheartedly agree, to me love is that ineffable feeling of recognising the sacred or divine in someone or something else

[Lee-B]

NVk4vENObiI

[Icecold]

I've never seen you
Or touched your skin
I've never felt your lips
Or held you tight
But I know I love you

Not because of the way you look
Or because of that sexy voice
Not because of the things you say
But because of whom you are

When we meet I will kiss you
And hold you all night

I love everything about you
Because it's you





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW1TcVtacB8&feature=player_embedded#at=46

[Maria Stade]

Absolutely. The message I bring is one of feeling and not words. Words are powerful and can affect us in profound ways, both good and bad. But the true essence of what we call Love is much more than words, it is feeling. What I say to you is this: If you feel it, truly feel His Presence in everything, then will you know Loves' true definition.
Watch TigerLilly's video.

Wholeheartedly agree, to me love is that ineffable feeling of recognising the sacred or divine in someone or something else

Yes and when you do, you are that.

Embrace it and grow.

Love is !

Namaste

[Maria Stade]

The essens is Love !

Expand with the heart !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN3ll-reUEs

All Love

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

Love is...
without conditions and limitations, complete and absolute.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTwpt1v7NvQ

[TigerLilly]

Elephant Love Medley


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajuITcvjyPE

"You'd think that people would have had enough of silly love songs,
I look around me and I see it isn't so"

[jjl]

Love is a reflection of light in darkness