Iodine & Lugols Solution

[witchy1]

This thread falls out of the Pineal Gland thread. I thought it deserved a thread of its own as it is an important health issue and is alluded to on other threads here.

I am sure Arrowwind has a ton of information for us on Lugols solution.

I will begin with the basics

The thyroid gland need 60mcg of iodine daily to ensure an adequate supply of hormones. Iodine generally has a wide margin of safety however a consuption of 2,000 micrograms or higher can cause harm. (sorry lost this link)

I read recently that we only need a teaspoon through our entire lives. However the body does not store it and we need to supply the body regularly in small doses. Most commonly we find it in

Bread
Not salt (table salt is generally regarded as rubbish and any iodine has evaporated)
Seafood products - especially Kelp seaweed. (beware of mercury in seafood - check origin)
Cod Liver Oil
smaller amounts in dairy products and veg.

Signs of deficiency:
Goitre
fatigue
dry skin
enlarged tongue
delayed reflexes
reduced mental clarity
hoarse throat
low metabolism

Signs of excess
metallic taste in mouth
D&V
mouth sores
swollen salivary glands
Goitre
http://www.healthvitaminsguide.com/minerals/iodine.htm


Studies suggest that a deficiency in iodine is a precursor to some of the major diseases

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I came across this cheap and easy home test to see if you are deficient. I cannot attest to its accuracy. I strongly advocate a quick urine test at the GP's to definatively check your levels. It will be accurate. If you dont know if have have an allergy to iodine - DO NOT DO THIS TEST

Test to check

Applying Tincture of Iodine to your skin is the most efficient (as well as most economical) method of determining a metabolic deficiency of iodine. It is a "test" as well as a "treatment".


If the "brown" stain fades in 24 hours or less, it indicates that Iodine is not sufficient to normalize thyroid secretion to the cells. Even if you are taking thyroid orally to stimulate your own thyroid, lack of iodine will interfere with your body's ability to properly utilize it.

When you notice that there is a faded brown stain remaining 24 hours after applying the Iodine, your thyroid will more likely be able to function normally. If you are taking thyroid orally, you may be able to reduce the dosage.

This should be done in conjunction with your healthcare provider.

Instructions for Application:
DO NOT USE IF YOU ARE ALLERGIC TO IODINE.

Use applicator rod to apply Iodine to upper thigh or low abdomen (or any other area of skin where the Iodine is visible) in a 3" square patch. Rotate the area of application each time you apply it. Apply as often as you notice that the Iodine has absorbed and the skin is clear. For instance, if absorption occurs in 2 hours, reapply immediately; if it occurs in 4 or 6 or 8 or 12 hours, reapply whenever you notice that the skin is clear.

When you eventually notice a faded brown stain after 12 hours, check in another 12 hours for the stain. If your skin is clear after 24 hours, continue application once a day until stain is apparent after 24 hours. Discontinue application when you observe a faded stain at 24 hours after initial application.

The objective of the frequent applications is to accomplish the 24 hours slight "stain" as quickly as possible, rather than to have to continue to apply over several months time.

To be sure that normal Iodine levels are stable, check absorption again in one week. If stain is visible in 24 hours, your Iodine level remains normal. Because stress of daily living can put a strain on your Thyroid, it is recommended that you recheck Iodine absorption every 3 months thereafter.

Repeat the process described if it fades in 24 hours or less (in 1 week or 3 or more months). http://www.noaw.com/Iodine%20Def/tincture_of_iodine.htm

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Now in addition to this there is a school of thought that indicates that you must have sufficient Selenium in order to assist the body uptake Iodine. They do not work independantly and are needed together. This explains why some people have seemingly adequate iodine in their diet, and yet remain deficient. (Ever wonder why you got Age spots on your hands)

"Selenium, on the other hand, performs many functions. At the beginning of the 1990s it was discovered that the deiodinase enzymes which convert T4 (thyroxin, the thyroid prohormone) into T3 (triiodothyronine, the cellularly active hormone) and also convert T3 into T2, thereby degrading it, are selenium enzymes (formed with the amino acid cysteine). This discovery has led to a lot of research studies on the effects of selenium, iodine, and their interactions.

...Selenium also performs other important roles in the body. The most important of these is probably as its role as the body's best antioxidant (anti-peroxidant). It performs this role as part of glutathione peroxidase (GSHPx or GPX). As part of GPX, selenium prevents lipids and fats from being peroxidized (oxidized), which literally means that it prevents fats from going rancid (this can be seen on your skin as "age spots" or "liver spots" (autopsies show that skin "liver spots" are accompanied by similar spots of peroxidized fats in the liver.)

Therefore selenium protects all of the cellular membranes, which are made up of fats, from peroxidation. Peroxidation of cellular membranes reduces the ability of the membrane to pass nutrients including minerals and vitamins, so selenium deficiency is the first step toward developing the many problems caused by nutrient deficiencies.


I think one lesson from studying the interactions of selenium and iodine is that the interrelationships between minerals are very complicated. Supplementing with one or two can cause further problems. You have to make sure that you correct every deficiency. Health is built from a chain of nutrients and, like a chain, health cannot be accomplished if one nutrient is missing" http://www.ithyroid.com/iodine.htm
(Joel Wallach is the author of Dead Doctors dont lie amongst other books)


Off topic but perhaps useful information for some: This man also states that Colldial copper will restore skin tone, remove wrinkles and re-grow re-colour hair to its natural state! http://www.pamrotella.com/health/copper.html

[sunflower]

Interesting indeed!

[Connecting with Sauce]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/1959949/IODINE-Solution-to-Healthproblems

from the original PA1 thread... http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14461

[Arrowwind]

How is it then that Japanese women consume 12.5 of iodine a day and they are not toxic from it if only 2,000mcg are recommened and more can cause problems?

What is the etiology of hypothyroidism?

It is correct that selenium is needed and if one goes on a Lugol's iodine supplementation selenium should be added, 200mcg per day.
Brazil nuts no longer carry enough selenim to be trustworthy.


I will provide links to relevant articles and the research done on iodine. I will also bring over the last two posts I made on the pineal gland thread.
I have more links but I will have to dig around for them. This is just introductory. I will have to pull other info from my other computer and I don't know if I can get to it today. Also my time is almost run out on my computer allowance. It boots back up tomorrow.

http://www.healthsalon.org/274/iodine-dr-guy-e-abraham-md/

http://www.healthsalon.org/276/iodine-for-greatest-mental-and-physical-health-dr-guy-abraham-md-dr-jorge-d-flechas-md/

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD07.pdf (http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD07.pdf)

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-07/IOD_07.htm

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/iodine.htm

http://www.healthsalon.org/131/iodine-deficiency-found-in-heart-and-cardiovascular-disease/

http://www.healthsalon.org/435/iodine-and-cardiac-conditions-afib-arrhythmias/

http://www.healthsalon.org/273/iodine-research/

http://www.healthsalon.org/275/iodine-in-graves-disease-neonatal/

Dr Brownsteins videos on iodine can be purchased here. I have all this downloaded on my computer but they are no longer available on the net. I will look for them on Youtube
https://www.drbrownstein.com/homePage.php

http://www.healthsalon.org/450/iodine-safe-and-effective-implementation-by-guy-e-abraham-md/

http://www.healthsalon.org/90/iodine-is-vital-for-good-health-dr-james-howenstine-md/

http://www.healthsalon.org/279/iodine-and-gastric-cancer-stomach-cancer-30th-annual-meeting-of-european-thyroid-association/

http://www.hotthyroidology.com/eta2004/file_info/download1.php?

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/iodine-in-the-treatment-of-hyperthyroidism

http://www.healthsalon.org/124/the-nitty-grit-of-making-thyroid-hormone-thyroxine/

http://www.healthsalon.org/398/iodine-regulations-by-the-dea-august-2007/

Here are a couple of Brownsteins videos. Brownstien has done studies... not sure if these videos cover that topic or not as there is one video I can't seem to locate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlRt6W3zDbg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biC41mMiVDM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoMfg76gAUo

[Icecold]

LOL. LOL. LOL. Witchy, I just last week purchased two bottles of Lugol's Solution. Hypothyroid. Now isn't that a coincidence. :cool:

Thank you for this thread.

I take two drops everyday in water.

Add to symptoms - Low metabolism.

[Arrowwind]

Witchy1 - I wonder if your patient was on amiodarone, which can cause amiodarone-induced thyrotoxicosis, one of the things that needs to be watched out for with this drug... it is a very dangerous drug and a toxic application of iodine and this article explains it all if you care to look at it.
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD07.pdf (http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD07.pdf)

I read you're link provided and I found it interesting that lugols iodine is part of the treatment for this storm. Here is a quote from the link


Thyroid storm

Uncommon life-threatening exacerbation of thyrotoxicosis
Has a mortality of 50%
Precipitating factors

Thyroid surgery
Radioiodine
Withdrawal of antithyroid drugs
Iodinated contrast agents
Acute illness (e.g. stoke, infection, trauma)
Clinical features

Severe thyrotoxicosis
Fever
Delirium
Seizure or coma
Jaundice
Treatment

Propylthiouracil 600mg loading dose
Lugol's iodine at least one hour later
Beta-blocker
Supportive measures
Treatment of precipitating cause
In japan the people there if still on a traditional japanese diet, eat an average of 12.5 mg of iodine a day. Breast cancer is very rare there. When Japanese women come to the US and adopt a S.A.D. diet their breast cancer rates equal US women.

12.5. mg. The typical US person gets 0.05 to 2mg a day. 0.5 is what is found in iodized salt for a serving.

I have known several people who have reduced their thryoid medication or eliminated it by using lugols iodine. If you have thyroid issues you must supplement with the assist of a doctor... but granted many people do not. You need your thyroid hormone levels checked at 6 weeks of supplementation because you will likely need your meds reduced.

A few people have difficulty in their metabolic pathways with iodine and they are not good candidates for supplementation. A skin rash with supplementing is not necessarily an allergic reaction but a bromide detox, as bromide has an affinity for skin tissues and it will come out the skin. The rash goes after a while.

Most people know fairly soon in life if they have an allergy to iodine and they should not supplement.

I use to have thryoid cysts and I eliminated them with supplementation of lugols iodine, even after my thryoid specialist said the would never go away. He was wrong.

I eliminated fibrocystic breast disease with iodine. Fibrocystic breast disease is a factor for increased risk of breast cancer.

I ve seen several cases of sebaious cysts cured with topical applications of lugols

I have cured urinary tract infections with it including one case of interstitial cystitis.

No one should supplement with iodine without understanding what they are doing.
I have about 10 articles on it on my blog. www.healthsalon.org (http://www.healthsalon.org/) just search iodine.

If there is thyroid disease seek an iodine literate doctor, one who knows how to supplement with it.

I recently did an interview with Dr Alexander Haskell who treats Hashimotos dieasee with iodine as part of the protocol and he has excellent results. He has a book on the topic and you can view many of the chapers on amazon and there is enough info to get the gist of what he is doing. Hashimotos no less with iodine!
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Dr.+alexander+haskell&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3 ADr.+alexander+haskell&ajr=3 (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Dr.+alexander+haskell&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3ADr.+alexander+haskell&ajr=3)

Please be aware that the medical community has greatly deceived us. There is little that they do in medicine that is right... including iodine. They are out to get us and control us, disempower us make us chronically ill, so we spend our lifes savings on trying to save our sorry hides. It is no different when it comes to iodine and thyroid disease. I hope some of you will take the time to learn about this most serious topic. Hypothyroidism is an epidemic in this country! and the cure is ignored and blackballed.

[conk]

Respected studies reveal that most, if not all, women with breast cancer are deficient in iodine and selenium! Ladies, get in the habit of taking these supplements daily.

As important as taking iodine is to avoid the other 'cousins', of which I can only remember bromides and fluoride. These will supplant iodine in the thyroid gland. They used to put iodine in bread, but now use bromine (sp?). Likely bean counters saved half cent a loaf by not using iodine. Or worse, TPTB knew of the dangers of bromides.

About brazil nuts: My brother in law complained of peeing several times a night. I suggested 3 or 4 brazil nuts (selenium) daily. Within a few days his night-time bathroom trips went down to ZERO.

[Rocketman]

Most people are deficient in Iodine, simply because this essential nutrient is not found in the food supply in adequate amounts. Iodine supplementation is the best way to purge toxic fluoride out of the body, and iodine also eliminates heavy metals such as aluminum, cadmium, lead and mercury. Iodine deficiency contributes to cancer developing, and massive doses of iodine can be an effective treatment for cancer.

Lugols Iodine contains potassium iodide combined with elemental iodine. The sea vegetable called Kelp also contains potassium iodide. Unfortunately, some small percentage of people have difficulty metabolizing potassium iodide and have some type of unpleasant reaction. In my own case, potassium iodide causes the cartilage inside the tip of my nose to become very sore to the touch - though other people may have reactions which are completely different, or no reaction at all. Because of my own reaction of potassium iodide, I have experimented with several different types of iodine supplement products on the market. I have found that "Iosol Iodine" allows me to take my daily doses without any unpleasant reactions at all. Iosol iodine contains ammonium iodide instead of the potassium iodide found in Lugols Solution. Here is a link to a discussion of ammonium iodide compared to potassium iodide by noted nutritionist Byron Richards: http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/iosol_iodine.php

In the United States, a good place to buy Iosol iodine is: http://www.iherb.com/TPCS-Iosol-Formula-II-1-fl-oz-30-ml/4785?at=0

In addition to clearing fluoride, bromine, heavy metals and other toxins out of your body, iodine is a powerful anti-microbial which kills all kinds of disease pathogens and helps prevent cancer. Because iodine is so important to maintaining good health, I like to routinely take a daily dose of 25 mg. Some people may consider this daily dosage to be quite high, but most researchers would agree than the body can make good use of amounts much higher than that. Once the thyroid gland is saturated with iodine, the iodine is distributed to other parts of the body such as the saliva glands and the stomach mucosa - where it kills disease pathogens such as Salmonella and E. Coli bacteria, which cause food poisoning, Typhoid, etc. Indeed, if the body is loaded up with all the iodine it can use, the immune system has very little to do.

[Arrowwind]

Here are some more articles on Iodine.

Regardling the displacement of other halogens by iodine... this article supports that iodine cannot displace the halogens actively due to its atomic weight. But over time it replaces them at the receptor sites in a passive way. You need to have iodine present and the others not ingested and circulating for best effect..

LugolHalogen

he role of iodine (http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/I/) in human nutrition is well-established (http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article&ID=2074) - as are its deficiency diseases and the conditions to which its deficiency can contribute (i.e. goiter (http://www.endocrineweb.com/goiter.html), cretinism (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=cretinism), hypothyroidism (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000353.htm), etc.) The amount of iodine necessary to void diagnosable deficiency is quite small. Below, for example, we provide the U.S. Recommended Daily Allowance for iodine in mcg.'s.


Infants


40—50
Ages 1—3


70
Ages 4—6


90
Ages 7—10


120
Age 11 older


150
Pregnant women


175
Lactating women


200

Optimally, people would get all their iodine from dietary sources: kelp, seaweed, certain types of ocean fish, and vegetables grown in iodine-rich soil -- while watching their intake of iodine-inhibiting foods and drugs (see goitrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitrogenic)). But many ocean-bearing iodine-rich foods are now unavailable, and agricultural farmland is increasingly iodine-deficient, leading to reduced levels of iodine in foods. Other areas, such as the Great Lakes region in the U.S., are naturally deficient in iodine -- a fact that lead to the massive goiter in the 1930's, when 40% of the people living in Michigan suffered from goiter.
In 1924, iodine was first added to table salt as a preventative measure, and by 1940, the practice was in general consumer use. Using iodized salt has, no doubt, been effective: it contains about 76 mcg. of iodine per gram. The average person consumes at least 3 grams of iodized salt daily, exceeding the RDA for iodine by 150 mcg. However, iodized salt has many other drawbacks: it contains aluminum and processing chemical residues, its overuse creates the well-documented conditions associates with high sodium intake and sodium-potassium imbalance, etc.
With treated salt's convenient little addition to the Western diet - its integration accelerated by the explosive expansion of fast food outlets, at which table salt's cup doth overflow, one might think we have seen the last of iodine deficiency. Hardly.


Enter "halogen displacement" and the effects of chlorine intake on the body's small reserve of iodine. Table salt, by definition, is
You see, chlorine, which has been used extensively since 1904 to control microbes in public drinking water, belongs to the same class of elements as iodine: the "halogens" - or elements that are one step removed from the "inert elements" (or gases) because they have just one electron missing from their outer shell to make it inert (non-reactive). This makes them quite readily reactive.

The mechanism behind "halogen displacement" was probably best described by J.C. Jarvis, M.D. (Folk Medicine, Henry Holt & Co., 1958, HB, p. 136), who wrote: "The clinical activity of any one of these four halogens is in inverse proportion to its atomic weight. This means that any one of the four can displace the element with a higher atomic weight, but cannot displace an element with a lower atomic weight. For example, flourine can displace chlorine, bromine and iodine because flourine has a lower atomic weight than the other three. Similarly, chlorine can displace bromine and iodine because they both have a higher atomic weight. Likewise, bromine can displace iodine from the body because iodine has a higher atomic weight. But a reverse order is not possible. A knowledge of this well-known chemical law brings us to a consideration of the addition of chlorine to our drinking water as a purifying agent. We secure a drinking water that is harmful to the body not because of its harmful germ content but because the chlorine content now causes the body to lose the much-needed iodine..."

atomic weights

Fluorine 18.99
chlorine 35.45
Bromide 79.90
Iodine 126.70
b

To counter the effects of iodine loss, Dr. Jarvis recommended various methods including: (1) Eating foods rich in iodine: food from the ocean, radishes, asparagus, carrots, tomatoes, spinach, rhubarb, potatoes, peas, strawberries, mushrooms, lettuce, bananas, cabbage, egg yolk, and onions; (2) Painting a small area of the body with tincture of iodine; and (3) taking preparations known to be rich in iodine, including cod liver oil, kelp tablets ...

But he was particularly keen on the power of Lugol's iodine, for treating various illnesses, including colds and flu, and for countering the effects of stress: "Supposing you do follow the suggestions outlined above and find that some weeks the pressures of your private and your business life are causing you to lose the ability to bounce back. Then you should add a drop of Lugol's solution of iodine to your glass of apple or grape juice at breakfast, or you may take it in the mixture of apple cider vinegar and water. The point is that the potassium in the solution blocks off the body mechanism that organizes for aggressive action, releasing its hold on the body when opportunity for rest and relaxation arises. The iodine swings into action the body and the building up and storing of body reserves. When working under pressure, include the Lugol's solution dose each day until the period of pressure passes. If it should happen that your body becomes saturated with iodine, you will find that there is an increase of moisture in the nose. If this occurs, omit the iodine until the nose is normal."

[Arrowwind]

witchy 1 said in her first post:

Places iodine is found:

Bread
Not salt (table salt is generally regarded as rubbish and any iodine has evaporated)
Seafood products - especially Kelp seaweed. (beware of mercury in seafood - check origin)
Cod Liver Oil
smaller amounts in dairy products and veg.

Signs of deficiency:
Goitre
fatigue
dry skin
enlarged tongue
delayed reflexes
reduced mental clarity
hoarse throat

Signs of excess
metallic taste in mouth
D&V
mouth sores
swollen salivary glands
Goitre
http://www.healthvitaminsguide.com/minerals/iodine.htm (http://www.healthvitaminsguide.com/minerals/iodine.htm)

I do not agree with this list.

First please find me a bread product that has iodine listed on the label, not bromide.
Second, fibrocystic breast disease is a sign of iodine deficiency
All breast cancer cases have tested deficient in iodine
cysts located anywhere may indicate a lack of iodine
Hypothyroidism in most cases is a pre goiter condition... you don't lack so much that you have goiter
but you are still starving for iodine....hypothyroidism is an epidemic in the USA

seafood products are becoming more and more dangerous due to mercury contamination.
you must use certified mercury free products and who eats them anyway?

Most of the tests done on veggies for iodine content were done over 50 years ago.
Please find me a recent study that shows iodine levels they contain that are sufficient to
prevent the hypothyroid epidemic we currently have
Our soils now test iodine deficient in most places.

[Rocketman]

Most people know fairly soon in life if they have an allergy to iodine and they should not supplement.[/COLOR]



Some medical doctors have told their patients that they are allergic to iodine. Once again, this reveals that a doctor's arrogance is exceeded only by his own stupidity. Iodine is an essential nutrient, and the human body will die unless provided with at least the minimal amount. It is impossible to have an allergy to something which is an essential mineral, such as iodine. This is tantamount to saying a person is allergic to water, or they are allergic to oxygen. If your body will soon die without something - it logically follows that you can't be allergic to it. Yet, there are numerous people walking around believing they are allergic to iodine, and avoiding iodine ingestion as best they can. And if you ask the person why they think they are "allergic" to iodine, they'll confidently and proudly say "because my doctor said so."

When iodine is found in seafood, it will always be molecularly bound to various types of proteins. And it will be these proteins that the person is having the allergic reaction to - not the elemental iodine. So if a person has an allergic reaction to shellfish, for example, then by all means they should avoid eating shellfish. But then it becomes all the more important that they get their required level of iodine from some other source.

People who are deficient in iodine will often develop some form of thyroid disease. The solution to virtually every form of thyroid disease is to increase the intake of iodine. Yet medical doctors will never prescribe iodine supplementation. More likely, the doctor will try to persuade the patient to have their thyroid gland surgically removed - which results in a lifetime of taking prescription drugs, which of course is how the doctor earns his living.

[witchy1]

withcy1- here is my question for you. If iodine is not needed in greater amounts then what is the cause of the hypothryoid epidemic in the US and many other countries as well? What is the etiology of the disease?
Have you ever heard of hypthyroidism referred to as an epidemic? if not why not? how many does it take to be an epidemic?

Thanks for the questions. I have my eyes and ears open. I watch for trends (as much as possible) and I rely data to prove an epidemic. Do you have reliable data that can confirm the epidemic. I have read many reports that state that from anywhere between 5 - 80% of the entire population are deficient in iodine and that Australia is in the top 5 of deficient countries?

If someone would provide objectively verifiably medical or scientific information- it would be most helpful. Can we believe the CDC or WHO data - depends on your belief system. Can stats be manipulated - yes of course they can. They can be made to fit the purpose. In the absence of the data, one can only check up on oneself. Simply go and get checked. Its not difficult.


If iodine is not needed in greater amounts then what is the cause of the hypothryoid epidemic in the US and many other countries as well? Did I say iodine was not needed in greater amounts? I am certain that for some people it is.


Have you ever heard of hypthyroidism referred to as an epidemic? if not why not? how many does it take to be an epidemic? Yes I have.

I am unsure as to the genesis of the question and the inference I am meant to take from it. Could you kindly clarify? I will take your questions literally in the interim as follows:

Etiology:
IMHO I think its because mother earth is deficient in iodine - therefore our veg are nutrient deficient. Also many people are veering away from seafood with abundance of the mercury scaring them (with good reason I might add). Many people appear to be dairy intolerant and not eating these products. The table salt is foul - and read an article where any iodine put in there has evaoporated before we even get it. They say they put it in bread - I am yet to be convinced of that.
Pesticides contain chlorine, fluorine, dioxins and other agents that interfere with iodine uptake and storage in the body. Therefore, the larger the exposure to pesticides, the more iodine is inhibited in the body (Env. Health Persp. Vol. 115. N. 8. August 2007)
So in essence, many reasons why an individual may be deficient. There may be more.

Epidemic:
Technically an epidemic depends on the disease and expected infection rate based on stats obtained from a variety of sources. It is not as some people beleive a percentage of population. for clarity:

The CDC's official definition of an epidemic is: "The occurrence of more cases of disease than expected in a given area or among a specific group of people over a particular period of time."
Since some diseases become more prevalent or lethal over time, while others become less severe, the CDC then adjust its statistical models to alter the definition of what's truly more than expected
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Epidemic & http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol12no06/05-1263.htm for the evolution of the term

FWIW - and if anyone was interested, I do however beleive this there is a rising trend in iodine deficiency. There is also some reference to iodine deficiency as a potential cause or reason for "dumbing down" our children which causes me some concern.


I have unfortuantely helped to bury a few of these patients with conventional medicine..

If I could ask a personal question Arrowwind - I am interested in your background. You appear to speak with some authority on this and appear to be promoting iodine as a cure for many conditons (which it well may be) with suggestions that Avalonians refer to your blog for further information - which I have visited.
Clearly alternative health is an interest for you, are you self taught or do you have a qualification? How is that you were involved in helping to bury people?
If that is too personal I apologise in advance. Do not feel that you have to answer.

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I am going to put a little plug in for the medical professionals here given Arrowwinds post which I think is a little unfair.(from the Pineal Gland Thread)
Please be aware that the medical community has greatly deceived us. There is little that they do in medicine that is right... including iodine. They are out to get us and control us, disempower us make us chronically ill, so we spend our lifes savings on trying to save our sorry hides.

For those that dont know about me - I am a RN (not currently practising, but have an practising certificate for Australia and NZ) with an avid interest in natural and alternative therapies. Yes I am trained as "one of them" but I dont think I am a terrible person. I consider myself a patient advocate and practise do no harm

I am responsible to the Nursing Coucil. That means I can have this qualification taken off me if I break the law - this includes amongst other things - the dignosis and prescription of treatments. I have specific legal and ethical responsibilities. Certainly I can "suggest" but am not able to diagnose or prescribe treatments. I will always advocate referal to the Medical profession for this. They are not all bad. Many however are really wonderful people and do have the patients interest at heart, this includes assisting with natural therapies. Convesely many are simply drug pushers for the pharma companies. You just have to shop around for one that resonates

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I dont subscribe to anyone who "tells" me what I should do or take, including Doctors & alternative health providers. I do my own reasearch. By blindly believing what we are told by people who seemingly have "authority" or who convince people merely on the way they word their paragraphs - then we are all in major trouble. Who can you trust to provide your information - it can only be yourself! We all have freedom of choice. Choose your teachers wisely.

I dont subscribe to adding any chemical to the body without first reasearching it, much less if someone tells me to do it. How this chemical reacts with other processes in the body,checking weather or not it needs another chemical to make it work, expected outcome, toxicity levels, length of treatment etc.

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Also I have found that for any position on any subject there is an equal amount of postions taking the opposite view on the internet.

So whatever anyone puts up as "proof" there will be an equavalant amount of information to disprove it. This is predominately why I need to rely on the sciences and validated research. I cant prove anything from peoples opinions and conjecture or guesswork. Its just the way I am wired.

Apologies for the length.

[witchy1]

I do not agree with this list. It is not compulsory that you agree. It is simply a starting point to discuss iodine and lugols solution beginning with some statments from the website identified.


First please find me a bread product that has iodine listed on the label, not bromide.

Food Standards in Australia and NZ insist that iodine must be incuded in bread - http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/scienceandeducation/factsheets/factsheets2010/iodineinfoodoctober24961.cfm
"Bread must contain iodine (from iodised salt) to help address iodine deficiency in the population which is particularly important for unborn babies and young children. Based on all available scientific evidence, adding iodised salt to bread in Australia is safe for the whole population"

I can confirm that in just looking at my bread label just now it is inlcuded as Iodized salt. I can scan and post as required.

[Gypsy Woman]

I am loving this thread... I have done a lot of alternative medicine research over the years, so why have I never come across the importance of IODINE??? I feel like an idiot! (I have a small bottle of tincture of iodine in the medicine cabinet, with the wand, but I'm going to find out the difference between Lugol's and this stuff...)

Thanks so much to Witchy1 for starting this thread, and to Witchy1, Arrowwind and Rocketman for providing all the useful information and extensive research and links I found on this page.

BIG HUG of appreciation.

[witchy1]

You are welcome Gypsy Woman (love your name) can you let me know if you do that test and how it goes? I have read that it works really well and provides a good indicator. I think it was Dr Jarvis who first suggested it and most of his stuff is pretty spot on.
It is important - I think the trick is to get a balance depending on the individual. Too much is as dangerous as not enough.
So while the dosage for one person is therapeutic, that same dose may not be for the next person.

And Welcome to Avalon

W

[witchy1]

Add to symptoms - Low metabolism Done Icecold. Let me know if its effective??????

[witchy1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DiVineEnvy http://projectavalon.net/forum/electric/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=143339#post143339)
Ditto that. Just don't make any specific health claims, or you will get the ire of the mods.

I don't have to! The doctors in the article are pretty clear what happens if you are iodine deficient... Pretty much everything! Strong links in the document to cancers if you are low in Iodine according to the authors of course! http://projectavalon.net/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

For those interested this is also very interesting... Where this guy is clear too on what happens...

How to make it... and test yourself if you're low!
Part 1
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Part 2
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I had some brown dots on my wrists at work http://projectavalon.net/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif which got a few comments...

I don't make my own yet, it is readily available at the moment.

I add quite a few drops to every glass of my distilled, re-energised water which I take to work in my 4L container from my water distiller glass jar.

See my sticky thread on how important water is too... I try and drink ~4L a day with MgCl, vitamin C or Iodine added (not at the same time I add)...

I also make sure I have sodium fluoride free toothpaste... pretty pointless doing all this and then poluting your body with NaF twice a day or tap water!

Thanks Connecting: Great vids. from the original PA1 thread... http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14461

[Arrowwind]

witchy1 I am a nurse also, 28 years now and currently retired also from nursing.

Unlike you I can prescribe and treat legally in my state under my state law as an alternative heath consultant. I can use alternative health items that are generally considered safe,, nutriton, vitamins, minerals, water therapy, light, homeopathy... many things . I use this opportunity to help people as often as possible.

I am a homeopath and nutritional consultant also and I have been a massage therapist for 40 years.

I do not think medical people are bad people. I have worked with them for many years, but I do think they are significantly brainwashed through their profession that is controlled by the pharmaceutical industry at least in the USA. There are many therapies out of conventional medicine that are good but much of it I believe is hogwash, does not cure, never has cured and chronic disease continues to develop.

I guess we do need to specify more what country we are in. There is no Iodine in bread in the USA. It was removed long ago and replaced with bromide.

How have I helped to bury people? It is simple, by contributing to a system that lies, deceives, hides the truth, and diligently works to keep alternative medicine repressed. I have had patients with pyroderma gangrenosa. There are documents that demonstrate that lugols iodine can cure the condition... so I have assisted in these deaths though my ignorance and by own brain washing... as with so many other things I did as a nurse. Eventally I got smarter and endeavored to work in areas where I thought that there was really no recourse for the patients in alternative medicine. I worked a lot with children who were severely handicapped or otherwise severely infirmed and frequently required intensive type medicine and care... a place where naturopathy does not well provide as of yet. Although I have worked in many areas of nursing,, I was also a midwife at one time, long ago now. Then these last 6 years I worked in hospice. We are dedicated to gracefully helping people to die with dignity that the conventional medical system did not help,and in fact likely poisoned to death with their drug therapies. In review now, I do feel that some of my patients did not have to die if they had help with real healing modalities.

I am quite driven to educate.. how else can I make up for what has been done?

You say I speak with authority.. I speak about what I know. Should I cower and hedge? I know what I know and I do take these things serilously. If people want to look at what I have to say fine. If not, fine. Medical literature is filled with "authority", authority that has killed millions prematurely though drug use, false cancer treatments, poor nutriiton, dangerous and destructive surgeries, and the spread of new deadly epidemics.

I dont know what is happening in New Zealand,or Australia, but here, I think thinks look not so good for our health... with cancer increasing to skyrocketing levels, the epidemic levels of hypothyroidism, alzheimers, Autism, pancreatic cancer, and of course good old heart disease.. I blame the medical industry for most if not all of this. If does not have to be. It shoudl not be and I can only conclude that someone wants us dead after we have coughed up all our money trying to save ourselves...

Forclosures are skyrocketing in the USA. The majority of it is due to bankruptcy due to medical expenses.... so I am greatly motivated to put out what I know in any arena that I can. Right now I am focusing in writing. I write a lot.. working on a book and am editor of several websites in alternative care with healthsalon being the least of them.

We are in deep deep doo doo here and I am going to keep voicing, keep telling what I know...

So that is me..

[conk]

I am loving this thread... I have done a lot of alternative medicine research over the years, so why have I never come across the importance of IODINE??? I feel like an idiot! (I have a small bottle of tincture of iodine in the medicine cabinet, with the wand, but I'm going to find out the difference between Lugol's and this stuff...)

Thanks so much to Witchy1 for starting this thread, and to Witchy1, Arrowwind and Rocketman for providing all the useful information and extensive research and links I found on this page.

BIG HUG of appreciation.

Be careful of topical iodine. Not for ingesting at all.

[Icecold]

It can also be absorbed through the skin by painting.

Arrowwind said:

I am a homeopath and nutritional consultant

That is good to know Arrowwind. I just invited a friend to become a member here, she is a well respected homeopath in Australia and a bit of a genius if I may say so. I'll point her in your direction when she logs on if you would like to discuss homeopathy.

[Pweeky]

3 and a half years later..this thread is helping me a lot;)

[conk]

Where did Arrowwind go? :(

[bettye198]

Lugols solution is archaic. I remember even in nursing school in the sixties it was talked about being ancient history then. We have progressed to better products in the alternative realm for bringing iodine in safe form. Check with Standard process and Systemic formulas.
https://www.standardprocess.com/Home http://systemicformulasmedia.com/