Financial

[blake]

Hello All,

My main interest in metaphysics has been trying to tie in the money issue with the spiritual. Considering all the financial turmoil the world is experiencing, and how we all seem on the brink of a new financial system; plus, how Atticus wrote that the only way to fight the "bad guys", my words not his, was through financial means, I have been holding my breath to hear news about the unprecedented meetings held earlier this week by the American Secretary of the Treasury, and the one called forth by the American Secretary of State. I would love to hear anyone views on these financial matters, and if anyone has bond a fide news concerning this.

Sincerely,
Mr.Davis
2/4/11

[Nortreb]

Peace Mr. Davis.

Here is a link to a mp3 on the forum:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2986-Myatding#vmessage13461

This is a member's home page: Myatding.

Scroll down until you see the message they received at 17:53 yesterday(It is labelled: http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-...c-2Feb2011.mp3) but you will have to access it on the member's page. This has some interesting news in it that you may be interest in.

[blake]

Hello Nortreb

Thank you for your reply and links. I did indeed listen to that telephone conference. I was intriqued at the begining when he first mentioned the meetings I had referred to. I guess we all will have to wait until Monday to see if an announcement has been made.
I am wondering if anyone else has another link to material that he discussed on that call, such as the treasury notes that are suppose to replace the federal reserve notes. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the federal reserve was taken down? Yet, I have read elsewhere that this is all myth. So I am looking for more information.

Also, I was wondering since the financial arena is in all in our faces right now, I am wondering what people are doing individually to not feed the banking and financial cartals ? Or, are people waiting for some authority to correct the situation and fix it for them as they continue to feed it and hope for the best? Many people I talk to still shop in Walmart, still write out checks ,and use credit cards etc etc etc . So I am curious if Avalonians take a different approach, or are they to waiting for some "authority" or some of Fulfords dragons to come and level the economic playing field for them?

Personally I do beleive, before we see spring this year, that the ugliness of financial world and the rotting disease it is ,will become in full view of the public and the public will have to pay the consquences of insisting on being blind to the fiat monetary system and all it allowed all theses decades. Although I have a very spiritual faith, I also understand the reality of both worlds. And I do beleive in living in the now. And in my opinion, the NOW has a lot to do with MONEY issue that is about to implode before all of us. I would so appreciate anyone's else input, suggestions and perspectives.


Sincerely,
Mr.Davis
2/3/11

[conk]

Sort of an aside: Stuart Wilde has a cool little book called The Secret to Money is to Have Some. He is spritually aware and considers money as energy. Very interesting book.

[blake]

Hello Conk,

Thank you for replying.
Yes, I believe somewhere along my travels someone lent me some books by Stuarte Wilde. However, I don't agree that the secret to having money is to have some. That is a good one liner, but in reality, it is really quite decieving; that is, unless you have the right kind of money. For example, many in the world of finance are saying that if indeed there is a change in currency, as I expect there will be shortly, then many people who have bank accounts and/ or paper assets, will lose fifty percent or more of their money overnight. So when that happens, "the secret of having money is having some", just doesn't hold true for those people holding "money" in fiat currencies and "paper assets.

We are living in financially dire times; that is a fact. And as much as I would like to believe that relationships make the work go around, unfortunately, in my opinion, the masses have allowed money to dictate how the world works, not relationships.

Even Atticus has written that the only way to beat the "bad guys" is financailly. And I agree with Atticus, on that one point, one hundred percent. And yet, as far as I have read on the "Charles Material" forums, few seem interested in that statement; and I am wondering why? Somehow it seems the readers were more interested in what the eye colors meant, rather than brainstorming, or learning more about this financial statement Atticus made in order to effectly take down "the bad guys," So why is that Avalonians?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/4/11

[sunnyrap]

My thought is, if you want relationship to defeat money, then everyone organizes (makes relationship with one another) and creates their own monetary system or alternative societal structure and starts using it--replacing the one 'they' put in place. That would leave them holding worthless currency and no power over us at all, and us in charge of a system that serves us. The Venus Project people want to institute a system with no money at all. Those who haven't looked at this may want to: http://www.thevenusproject.com/en/get-involved/free-downloads

Most people can't absorb this radical a change very quickly, but if enough people got on board, this concept might be hammered into something that was serviceable for everyone. It's worthy of purposeful debate, imo.

[Lost Soul]

The Biggest Con by Irwin Schiff. Check it out at your library. It was written back in the '70s and when I read it, it reminded me of some of the warnings given to me back then. You'll learn that it's no coincidence that the system has been rigged for economic failure. You might also want to check out Surviving the Economic Crash by Fernando "Ferfal" Aguirre. Ferfal survived the 2001 economic collapse of Argentina. He doesn't see a Mad Max situation, but things have gotten bad with more kidnappings, armed robberies, killings. In a nation where the middle class disappeared overnight, some people who had foresight became rich in the aftermath of the collapse.

[Jonathon]

I'm not exactly sure what Charles meant by beating them financially, however I can only assume he doesn't mean outgunning them financially -- this would seem impossible. However, realize that our financial system is based on debt. Debt = evidence of an obligation = money. We have the unlimited capacity to create obligations to one another. In theory and in proper practice this is an abundance-based system. The two factors giving it the appearance of a scarcity based system are 1) ignorance of those who grant energy/debt to the system (i.e you and me), and 2) the opportunity of an enlightened few to hijack the benefits of the system based upon that ignorance, while doubly reinforcing that ignorance at every opportunity.

The spiritual connection is definitely there. There is no better metaphor than our current financial system. Money, in essence, is the capturing of human energy - the re-venue of private energy into a tangible, public means of exchange. One could posit that how this energy is used (saving, spending and on who/what/where) is a good indicator of the nature and being-ness of an individual and society as a whole. These private works (Biblical reference to ‘good works’) are the resource (AKA Surety) that backs the money. The beauty of that is that private works of individuals can be as scarce or abundant as our willingness and desire to create. Gold, oil etc are tangible resources that can be controlled and hoarded - scarcity is automatically built into any physical resource system.

The bigger question is, however, WHAT will you create? Who and what do you serve? If everyone woke up tomorrow realizing they had the full and unlimited capacity to create money (obligation) it would take about 6 days for the cost of bubblegum to go from $1.50 per pack to $150.00 per pack. There are controls in place that keep this from happening. Problem is, those at the control wheel have acted irresponsibly and taken advantage. Hence a pack of gum is not .15 per pack and millions died recently in Iraq and Afghanistan - not to mention countless other atrocities. Our collective energy has been jacked and channeled into the desires and plans of a few. We are the built in 'check and balance' and have the full authority to shut it all down in a very legal, methodical and authoritative way. They know this, obviously... and this may be what Charles/Atticus is alluding to. (?)

Money is a zero-sum game. The amount of private energy translated into public energy is in complete balance, therefore the difference is always zero. This is also a spiritual metaphor: sin/debt (without God or separation) balanced by forgiveness/credit (with God or at-one-ment) is also zero-sum. Recall Jesus taught his disciples: "forgive us of our debts as we forgive our debtors". The crucifix represents the ledger of this principle. Left side of the ledger = debt (the left hand of God) and the right side = credit (right hand of God). Recall the left hand path is that of debt/sin and the right hand path is that of forgiveness/love/credit. The crucifixion, or death on the ledger, represents the cycle of energy from burden (creation of obligation) to sacrifice (forgiveness of obligation), which is why it is said that Jesus' death on the cross forgave us of all our sins. Inherent to the system is an amount of forgiveness equivalent to any amount of debt we can create... hence, net zero.

A good example from the Bible:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven… Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" Matthew 7:21-22

Jesus Responds:
"I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23

This is a perfect reflection of where we are now. What does Jesus mean by “iniquity”? In man’s creation of “many wonderful works” he created many obligations. In other words, he created debt or SIN. Jesus is saying: it is the forgiveness of debt that leads to salvation, not mere creation of it!

Obligation assumes one owes another. This is the forgetting. This is separation. Re-membering is realization of oneness. At-One-Ment… Of-One-Mind. Forgiveness assumes no debts. The self owe or charge itself? Ludicrous! This is iniquity!

When the Federal Reserve Act came into being, shortly thereafter the new system was pieced into place, solidified by acts such as the market crash, Great Depression and gold confiscation. A gold backed currency presented a major problem - scarcity. You cannot grow the money supply if it is based on a resource of somewhat limited supply. This did not fit well into the controllers agenda. They needed to create a system of abundant obligation as a means of control, therefore a well orchestrated system of bankruptcy was instituted (a bankrupt entity cannot use real money – i.e tangible assets, until it is able to pay it’s debts and return to financial sovereignty). The silver lining is that in the process, they instituted the perfect spiritual system that is based wholly on trust (ALL law, conduct, contract and otherwise is based on trust - see Trust Law). The only thing needed in order to gain/maintain control over this system is to ensure the contributors of the energy (Grantor in Trust Law; principal; creator; power and authority to revoke and alter) remain passive and ignorant – failing to assert their authority. A Maxim of Law: “He who fails to assert his rights has NONE!” How is this accomplished? The general dumbing down of the masses. Removing any form of contract or trust law from the educational system, save aspects of legal study which are to be controlled by a foreign power (BAR association). Realize how thoroughly absurd it is to have a system based wholly (and I do mean absolutely and completely) based on Trust without even an inkling of general education as to this realm of knowledge!

I don’t want to lose anyone here – I’m having to cover a really enormous amount of material in Cliff Notes fashion, however it is important to the point. That being said, let's take a look at the positions in a Trust (insert 'Contract' if you like trust=contract=law=contract= trust):

Grantor: The creator. Provides the energy, property (corpus) as well as the rules, by-laws, conduct etc to be overseen and handled by a responsible/liable party (Trustee) for the benefit of another (Beneficiary). Has the authority to revoke the trust, change the trust in any way - including the altering of the positions of the trust (appoint a new trustee, beneficiary etc).
Trustee: The responsible party holding all powers and rights, as granted by the Grantor, to the management of the energy/property/knowledge (or whatever) on behalf of the Beneficiary(ies). Holds security interest and legal title/ownership in/of the corpus. Entrusted with performance. Has no direct obligation (other than performance) to the beneficiary except as expressly stated by the trust itself, and is therefore not obligated to inform the beneficiary as to the course of his dealings - only to the results.
Beneficiary: Party to benefit from the trust. Holds equitable title/ownership (the right to acquire legal title or equitable remedy/satisfaction) in the corpus of the trust. Authority to compel the performance of the Trustee.

Trusts/contracts can be expressed (stated) or implied (given). A law is an example of an expressed trust. Ordering food at a restaurant is an example of an implied trust (the positions are assumed). At any given moment, each of us are parties to hundreds of contracts. How many of us realize the implications of those trusts and our positions/duties within those trusts? The number is likely close to zero. This, I assure you, is by design. Why? Because as the Grantor has complete authority and you are the Grantor! =) In a constructive trust (AKA construed, implied trust) the positions of the trust are dynamic (especially that of the Trustee, whose position is governed by performance). Ever heard "ignorance of the law (trust/contract) is no excuse"? Unless the Grantor establishes the positions of the trust, they change based on the conduct/actions of the participants. If you are construed as the Trustee, then you are entitled and obligated to perform. If you fail to perform, the implied beneficiaries may compel you to perform. If you cannot be compelled to perform, the beneficiary has the right to remedy and may take action against the trustee. On the same note, if you assert that you are the beneficiary and name some official as your trustee, then you are compelling them to perform while making them liable for their performance. This has worked many times in court. How can you be charged if you aren’t the responsible party (i.e trustee) and how can the court benefit from the proceeds of the trust if they aren’t a beneficiary?

In our system of government and finance we are led to believe that certain “officials” are the responsible parties, when in fact, they construe us as the sole trustees or beneficiaries at their leisure and to their own benefit because we haven’t asserted the positions of the trust. When they wish to conceal something or make independent use of your energy, they construe you as the beneficiary. When they wish to charge you with something or use your capacity to create, you are construed as the trustee. A good example – on your personal checks, the signature line says “Authorized Representative” in micro print. A.R. effectively means Trustee. As trustee you have the power to authorize the creation of money and the bank, Fed Reserve, DTC, IRS (the financial legislative, executive and judicial) become beneficiaries to that energy. This is the means and authority by which the IRS (as beneficiary) is so diligent in compelling your performance as trustee =) This is also why the creation of money is out of control (why the national debt is so high). The Trustee (you) isn’t properly balancing the books because he erroneously believes debt can be paid with debt (see Novation). As stated above and as demonstrated in Biblical text, debt must be/can ONLY be forgiven or set-off by credit. This is a simple ledger entry authorized by a trustee. (See Accepted For Value or A4V; banker’s acceptance). Create the energy, then forgive the obligation. This is as spiritual as it gets. Karma free.

There is nothing wrong with money and you don’t need some other monetary system. You merely need a better education and a willingness to act assertively and responsibly with that knowledge. The system is perfect. It only needs good stewards… and that’s ALL of us.

We are already in a position of authority and control. We just have to assert that authority by 1) setting off all of our debts, 2) revoking power and authority as needed under the respective trusts, restructuring as needed and 3) becoming responsible trustees of the planet for the benefit of ourselves and subsequent generations of all life. Without rampant debt, there is no outstanding money - each dollar is accounted for. All that needs to be done is made happen by the authority and vision of the creator(s). Without unaccounted-for monies, there is no means to conduct wars, secret projects and other absurdities.

Imagine if everyone sent in a ‘tender for set-off’ for all of their debts – homes, credit cards, cars and whatever (this is done to the IRS/Treasury) then notified the respective ‘creditors’ in legal administrative process that the debt has been set-off. National debt goes to zero. Outstanding monies and obligations disappear. The only new money is that which is expressly authorized by the grantors. Who is in control then?

This is no easy process. The learning curve is very steep because the knowledge is so contrary to what most of us believe it’s very hard to ‘get’. Once you get it, then you have to be responsible for it. In the current social/cultural paradigm, this may be the most difficult of all. If it happens at a trickle rate (like it is now) it’s easy for the gatekeepers to manage and will afford us little to no success. It will take a multitude of shepherds.

Parable of the lost sheep:
"Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn't leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? When he has found it, he carries it on his shoulders, rejoicing. When he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!' I tell you that even so there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over ninety-nine righteous people who need no repentance."
– Luke 15:3-7

[blake]

My thought is, if you want relationship to defeat money, then everyone organizes (makes relationship with one another) and creates their own monetary system or alternative societal structure and starts using it--replacing the one 'they' put in place. That would leave them holding worthless currency and no power over us at all, and us in charge of a system that serves us. The Venus Project people want to institute a system with no money at all. Those who haven't looked at this may want to: http://www.thevenusproject.com/en/get-involved/free-downloads

Most people can't absorb this radical a change very quickly, but if enough people got on board, this concept might be hammered into something that was serviceable for everyone. It's worthy of purposeful debate, imo.

Hello Sunnyrap,

Thank you for replying to my post; and the thoughtful link to the Venus Project. I have not read up on the Venus Project yet; although I did glance at the link you provided. My first reaction is that it seemed interesting, and I would agree with much of what I perused so far. They seem to described the current economic game as the wage earners seeking the highest wage for their time and talent, while employers, in seeking the most profit, will offer the least compensation (that they an get away with) to the wage earner; thereby taking advantage of the wage earner. In other words, the work system is set up, in which the majority of people participate in, so that people are not paid what they are worth, in the name of profits for those who hold all the marbles. Do I have it right so far?

I read a book years ago that was written by a middle management banker back in 1930 or 1940. He explained the value of the work system through the higher level banker’s perspective. What disturbed me the most, when I first read the book, was how even way back then, those in power mused about how they took advantage of people. He wrote how grossly underpaid the tellers were, even though they had an important function in the everyday working of the bank; compared to many highly overpaid higher level managers who didn't contribute as much to the bank in ratio in which they were paid.

He wrote that it is just a sad, unfair game, but the bottom line was if the tellers were so “stupid” his words not mine, to work for so little compensation and benefits, then they deserved the low pay no matter how talented and valuable they were to the bank. As you well know, this perspective is not restricted to the banking industry.

I believe people need to value themselves and understand their worth, by not selling themselves short. Yet, from what I have observed over the decades, the majority of people do sell themselves short. And in doing so they not just hurt and entrap themselves, but their families as well. That is where education, emotional support and specific strategizing with step by step plans to get what they want and deserve comes in. If more people actually did that, and supported each other in doing that, I believe there would be more of a balance between corporate power and people power, and the average Joe would get what he worked for instead of being ripped off by the power hierarchy.

As you well know, the modern school doesn’t teach critical thinking as much as it trains people to be good workers bees in the system for the benefit of the rich and powerful. So knowing this, why do people choose to go along with this type of education, and continue to put their children in the same indoctrination camp that they were subjected to? When does the cycle of economic abuse end? In my opinion, it doesn’t end for the reader or the reader’s family until the reader takes personal concrete action to make it end. And the longer one has been part of the system of selling themselves short, and getting entrapped by the system, the harder it will be to free themselves and their family.

I believe the average person can level the economic playing field if they have the courage, while being gentle with themselves. I believe they can start this process by looking in the mirror and asking, “how am I feeding the financial beast that has been taking advantage of me and enslaving me and my family?”

In my opinion, as long as anyone shops in Wal-Mart, or the big box stores regularly rather then shopping local and patronizing community businesspeople, even if they charge a bit more, then that person is contributing to the continual economic abuse of most people and families.
It would appear, and please correct me if I am wrong, for I know nothing about the Venus project, that many people seem to believe they need to belong to a “group” or an organization to fight the “bad guys”; and I don’t believe that is necessary. I believe that many times organizations often end up creating the same problems that they had promised to fix. What I believe is needed to fight the “bad guys” is strong, moral, well informed individuals, to help keep themselves and organizations honest, which often results in a free and prosperous life for those who invest in themselves. The strong, moral, well informed individual makes the collective strong. Strong, moral, well informed individuals, can keep the collective honest.

Unfortunately, based on the rationalizations of most humans, and their seemingly innate love of power, I believe we can best free ourselves of financial abuse, and unhealthy control and sacrifice by governments, corporations, and institutions by simply to stop using, or patronizing the products, services and resources that give big money power over us. In other words, stop shopping at the company store. Yet, the average person won’t do that, because Wal-Mart will always sell it cheaper than the local small business store. And people will rationalize saving 30cents for an item at Wal-Mart, while sticking their heads in he sand about how they are contributing to the strength of the financial beast by shopping there, rather then contributing to the financial strength of the people by buying local.

The individual who spends money locally is key to his own economic security and that of his community. But that is not the only way to strengthen people’s financial power. How many people use the controlled currencies of the financial beast instead of cash or barter? How many people write personal checks everyday, do electronic banking, use credit cards or do online shopping regularly? In my opinion, anyone who handles their finances this way, by using the financial beast’s currencies, is cutting their own financial throat, and are contributing to the financially hardship of all people outside of the power players. Unfortunately, I don’t have time in this post to write how detrimental all those actions are to the reader’s financial health, perhaps in another post if an explanation is necessary or requested. Of course, we must always be aware of how we all like to practice our right NOT TO KNOW which allows us all to rationalize our actions in going along with the financial beast which results in our digging of our own financial grave and the financial graves of the many.

Sincerely,
Mr.Davis
2/5/11

[blake]

The Biggest Con by Irwin Schiff. Check it out at your library. It was written back in the '70s and when I read it, it reminded me of some of the warnings given to me back then. You'll learn that it's no coincidence that the system has been rigged for economic failure. You might also want to check out Surviving the Economic Crash by Fernando "Ferfal" Aguirre. Ferfal survived the 2001 economic collapse of Argentina. He doesn't see a Mad Max situation, but things have gotten bad with more kidnappings, armed robberies, killings. In a nation where the middle class disappeared overnight, some people who had foresight became rich in the aftermath of the collapse.

Hello Lost Soul,

Thank you for posting.
I am familiar with some of Irwin Schiff work.
I do agree that this present monetary system was rigged, not only for eventual economic failure, but also for the transfer of wealth from the middle income folks (the majority of people), to the self appointed favored few. Sadly this been accomplished over the past couple of decades by various means which were built into the present fiat monetary system, and also made possible with the relatively new financial instruments that were created in the eighties and beyond allowing for such huge financial fraud in our financial institutions, that is starting to come to light today after the damage has been done to the people. Now America is broke, as many other countries are. The middle class is vanishing before our eyes, and the super rich continues to luxuriate with wealth stolen from the real producers of society, middle income people.

I am a little familiar with Ferfal’s work on how he survived the economic collapse in Argentinia. And I do agree that it is in everyone’s best interest to be street smart concerning the reality of life during an economic/ societal collapse. As you well know, preparing one’s family by talking about possible scenarios and making concrete plan based on those scenarios will help keep your family out of harm’s way until life as we know it regains its balance. Educating oneself with what history has shown in the past about such situations will give those individuals a heads up on how to prepare. That, along with the insurance of having food, water, medicine and plans for personal protection, is just basic common sense. And as many of you know already, there are detailed preparation sites on the web for the coming economic calamity.

But my issue is that, in my opinion, we as a society have brushed the real problem, our own rationalizations, under the rug. I believe most of us have failed to be honest with ourselves in owning up to our own personal responsibility for allowing this fraud to be played out under our noses, by choosing to look the other way, by going along with it ,by buying into it, and contributing to the fraud by our daily actions. I am wondering if anyone could suggest simple actions they might have taken to help stop these financial criminals in their tracks? What could we have done to keep the real wealth of the people with the people, instead of allowing ourselves to being tricked into perpetual debt, and for some poverty?

The super rich are very good at controlling us through money, because we allow them. How can we turn the tables and claim our freedom and independence from them?

Sincerely,
Mr.Davis
2/6/11

[Lost Soul]

Blake/Mr. Davis,

After studying the economic situation, I decided the only real thing worthy of pursuing is spiritual development. We must free ourselves from societal imposed standards such as dressing fashionably, the nice car (when a running car will do), the American dream (how about a smaller house), and materialism. By doing so, we break from the programming given to us by the school system, the media (both entertainment/Hollywood and the so called news), and peer pressure from those around us who choose societal conformity. We turn inwards and reconnect with our spiritual self; sometimes with the assistance of higher conscious individuals.

It is not so much as turning the table on "them" but walking away from the table. If enough of us do it, there'll be no one left at their card game.

Sorry if this seems sappy, but it's working for me. I'm much happier since I decided to chuck the norms.

Lost Soul

[blake]

Hello Jonathan,

Thank you for your post. I too do not know what Atticus meant by writing, that what was needed to beat the “bad guys was financial. To my knowledge, neither he, nor Mr. Ryan wrote any more on the topic, which both surprised and disappointed me.

I can only guess that since money makes the world spin for those in such “lofty” power, if they were relieved of the power of their money, the playing field would be to our advantage since as so many people have pointed out, “there are more of us then them.” The only other thing, I can think of that he might have meant was that we needed money for a huge global marketing campaign to expose them. So I don’t know what he meant by it; however, in my opinion, how much more constructive it would be if he would be specific and not so vague, or noncommittal about what he shares.

I do understand that since 1971 the American monetary system has completely been based on debt. It is unfortunate that the newer American generations were never alive to experience life on a monetary system based on wealth instead of debt. That was a time when a person’s savings was not eaten away by this debt economy we now have that is like a ponzi scheme, that must constantly grow or it will collapse, unlike the previous sound, wealth base monetary system that we had. What I find amazing, when I talk to older Americans, who were in their prime when the American monetary system made the final switch, is that they were not even aware that it happened. So, alas, Hitler’s saying is thrown in our faces once again,” how lucky for rulers that men don’t think”. Yes, the older generation wasn’t even aware that the rug was quietly taken out from under them; and life went on as usual as they adjusted to the changes without question year after year until they all went broke. Having a society disinterested in its monetary system, and expecting others or their elected leaders to watch over the wolves in power, certainly made it easy for the controllers to steal from all of us and now, it is all collapsing. Sadly, I still find few people interested in the monetary system; they just seem to want it fixed without any understanding of their part in allowing it to break.

Your post is very long; and you have written many points that I would like to respond to, but my time is limited to what I can spend on this today so perhaps another day I can post a further response. But I would like to end this post by responding to this point you brought up


“A gold backed currency presented a major problem - scarcity. You cannot grow the money supply if it is based on a resource of somewhat limited supply. This did not fit well into the controllers agenda. They needed to create a system of abundant obligation as a means of control, therefore a well orchestrated system of bankruptcy was instituted (a bankrupt entity cannot use real money – i.e tangible assets, until it is able to pay it’s debts and return to financial sovereignty). The silver lining is that in the process, they instituted the perfect spiritual system that is based wholly on trust (ALL law, conduct, contract and otherwise is based on trust - see Trust Law).”




I agree the bad guys didn’t like the fact that a gold back system strictly limited the amount of money that Congress could spend. Once the gold back system was completely eliminated, the lobbyist knew Congress now had unlimited spending power, and as we all know they went to town spending “our” money recklessly along with “money that just did not exist creating today’s national debt.

I believe this is a world of abundance; but illegal laws, and the manipulation of public thought, through lies, marketing and social engineering creates scarcity. Money, as you said is simply a means of exchange. As long as the means of exchange is kept honest, as in a wealth based system based on gold, the value of my work and yours will keep its value and not be inflated away or stolen by those who manipulate the endless laws!

An old Roman senator once said, “the more laws a nation has, the more corrupt it is.” I firmly believe that. Please notice the law making machine Congress has become to the point that it is accepted practice for our “esteem” Congress people to vote on life changing bills that affect our daily lives without ever reading the bill first!

In your post, part of what you seem to be describing appears to be the “strawman theory” that went around the internet about ten or twelve years ago, and well as the use of “Trusts” to protect one’s assets and businesses. I believe in honest money. Honest money is a simple stable medium to exchange the value of our work or assets for what we seek out, such as services, food etc. If there are a lot of “rules” concerning how that exchange is made, like the strawman system you have described, that opens the door for a lot of fraud. The American founders wrote our fundamental law in literature in the common language of the day so that the average American on the street would understand the law without needing a lawyer to interpret it, One of the ways that the “controllers” keep us controlled is by their miles and miles of rules, regulations, and laws that intentionally put people to sleep, as well as provide the means to cover up all their fraudulent transactions, so the people can be stolen from without being aware of it.

The founders of America defined exactly what a dollar was. It was legally defined in the coinage act back in the 1700s as a silver coin weighing 371.25 grains of fine silver. They defined a dollar with a specific weight to cut down on fraud. Does the American “Federal Reserve Note” that Americans now refer to as a “dollar” come anywhere near that definition of our constitutionally defined dollar that kept the people’s wealth in tact? No, it doesn’t. So why did Americans allow the fraud to happen? I believe, among other reasons, it is because the people were socially engineered into ignoring not only what real money is, but how a sound monetary system was set up to protect their wealth; and that they were kept in the dark, with miles and miles of laws, as this present American monetary system was redesigned, and then handed over to the private bankers.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/6/11.

[Jean-Marie]

Hello,

I found this to be very interesting. Are you aware of How the Federal Government has a new accounting Gimmick to get around asking the Treasury for more money? They are moving any debt that they purchase from Goldman Sachs, or anyone, (losses) off its balance sheet, instead it is a liability to the Treasury.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/01/hot-fed-hides-major-accounting-change.html

They just started doing this a couple of weeks ago.

Jean-Marie

[blake]

Hello,

I found this to be very interesting. Are you aware of How the Federal Government has a new accounting Gimmick to get around asking the Treasury for more money? They are moving any debt that they purchase from Goldman Sachs, or anyone, (losses) off its balance sheet, instead it is a liability to the Treasury.


http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/01/hot-fed-hides-major-accounting-change.html

They just started doing this a couple of weeks ago.

Jean-Marie

Hello Jean-Marie,

No, I was unaware of that little bit of creative accounting. Thank you for posting and sharing it with me.

"Bottom line: We all knew the Fed was going to have to do some kind of monkey business to deal with all the junk securities it purchased, here it is: Negative liabilities. Yes, only at your local Fed.

Note: I hasten to add this does not appear to resolve the problem of the Fed going cash flow negative as a result of having to raise interest rates on excess reserve to a point where they are higher than most of the income earning debt they hold. Expect future monkey business on this front"

And so the monkey business continues..................... I often wonder if the American people will ever decide they want to know the truth about the banking system?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/6/11

[blake]

Blake/Mr. Davis,

After studying the economic situation, I decided the only real thing worthy of pursuing is spiritual development. We must free ourselves from societal imposed standards such as dressing fashionably, the nice car (when a running car will do), the American dream (how about a smaller house), and materialism. By doing so, we break from the programming given to us by the school system, the media (both entertainment/Hollywood and the so called news), and peer pressure from those around us who choose societal conformity. We turn inwards and reconnect with our spiritual self; sometimes with the assistance of higher conscious individuals.

It is not so much as turning the table on "them" but walking away from the table. If enough of us do it, there'll be no one left at their card game.

Sorry if this seems sappy, but it's working for me. I'm much happier since I decided to chuck the norms.

Lost Soul

Hello Lost Soul,

Thank you for posting again.
You seem very wise. My definition of turning the tables on the powers that be, financially, is to stop using their systems, especially their banking system as much as possible: don’t write personal checks, don’t use online banking, don’t use credit cards, and figure out how to own your home free and clear and make that a priority. I believe it is better to own a one room cabin in a safe and beautiful area, than own a five bedroom colonial house with a monthly mortgage payment. Also it is wise when people can plan their life, to have now, or eventually have more than one source of income other than paper assets at this time, such as: rent, home business, freelance etc. So if one avenue dries up, one will still have money coming in. It takes brainstorming and persistence but it can be done very nicely. Why spend all one’s time making the banks and your employer richer. People are usually better off investing in themselves, not just spiritually but financially as well. The more people work for themselves, the freer and stronger they will be if they were taught critical thinking and discipline. Unfortunately those are two qualities I fine lacking in many people today.

I agree with you, owning your car outright like your home, is essential for independence and freedom of control. If children are taught this, then they will be freer, more independent and more secure then those who have mortgage and car payments.

I applaud those who home school their children. I applaud those who manage their money instead of their money controlling their life. Over the last couple of decades, the majority of people pretended to be richer than they were, and now they are poorer than they ever imagine possible; and it is going to get worse for them. The incoming generation has a distorted view on money; I hope they learn reality fast without too much pain or long term lessons.

It doesn’t seem you are a lost soul at all. You seem to be making good decisions in helping to keep yourself free in an enslaved society.

Please share more of your ideas.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/6/11

[senate014]

Truly amazing!! Will be interesting to see if there are any announcments this week! I have 125,000 Iraqi Dinars in cash that I bought off eBay back in 2005 and always thought they would give me a good return at some point!

[blake]

Truly amazing!! Will be interesting to see if there are any announcments this week! I have 125,000 Iraqi Dinars in cash that I bought off eBay back in 2005 and always thought they would give me a good return at some point!

Hello Senate014,

Thank you for posting. I don't know if that is going to manifest. I hope for you that it does.

Sincerely,
Mr.Davis
2/6/11

[senate014]

Hi Mr Davis,

My post was in relation to this Audio Teleconference conversation:

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

I realise now that this conference possibly took place at the start of January 2011, but the information that "Contact 2" gave away was truly remarkable!

The US borrowed $43 Trillion from the Chinese in the 1930's on a 75 year lease to kick start the economy again! Then in 1999 the Bush/Cheney Cartel decided that they weren't going to pay it back so they started to ship it out from under the World Trade Centre’s to a secure location, they then bring the towers down along with WTC7 to hide the evidence. Along came 2008 which was the end of the 75 year lease and guess what happened, a worldwide banking collapse which originated from the US.

Now the Chinese want to level the playing field and bring down the Bush/ Cheney Cartel which has crippled the US and World Economies over the last 30 years.

It all seems to make sense to me now!

What are your thoughts?

Cheers,

Andy

[blake]

Hi Mr Davis,

My post was in relation to this Audio Teleconference conversation:

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

I realise now that this conference possibly took place at the start of January 2011, but the information that "Contact 2" gave away was truly remarkable!

The US borrowed $43 Trillion from the Chinese in the 1930's on a 75 year lease to kick start the economy again! Then in 1999 the Bush/Cheney Cartel decided that they weren't going to pay it back so they started to ship it out from under the World Trade Centre’s to a secure location, they then bring the towers down along with WTC7 to hide the evidence. Along came 2008 which was the end of the 75 year lease and guess what happened, a worldwide banking collapse which originated from the US.

Now the Chinese want to level the playing field and bring down the Bush/ Cheney Cartel which has crippled the US and World Economies over the last 30 years.

It all seems to make sense to me now!

What are your thoughts?

Cheers,

Andy

Hello Senate 014

Thank you for posting again. Yes, I was aware where you got the information. I too had listened to that conference call.

Although he acknowledged the recent unprecedented meetings called by the American Secretaries of State and Treasury, I had wished he had commented more about that.

I am not in doubt of many of the stories he shared with his audience, but some of his views seemed to be similar to Benjamin Fulford’s perspective. And I have no idea, what is true in his perspective, and what is not.

It is my opinion, China and Russia needs to be watched, along with watching for the collapse of the “PETRO DOLLAR”, in order to estimate the timing of when the economic collapse will be in our face. However, there are a lot of opinions, and stories floating around. Some are honest half truths, and some are dishonest half truths, in other words disinformation.

I am not a financial expert. But I do believe that if one follows the story of money, it will lead you to concrete truth, not theories. I have been following the story of money, and banking, the best I can, for the past couple of decades. Still, in the layer, upon layer, upon layer of manipulations, creative accounting, unconstitutional laws, and deceit, it is extremely hard to sift out the truth, and therefore, I listen to what people say with a grain of salt and then stick with what I know.

What I know for sure is that paper money and paper assets are going down the tubes, and will be totally worthless. Paper money, digital money, paper assets, creative financial accounting, and creative financial instruments have been the tools for the people who own the banks to take the real money from the majority of the productive people. Those who own the majority of the wealth of the world, people whose names you do not know, knew that these financial manipulations would eventually collapse the financial structure of the world; and that collapse is close at hand. If one studies the history of the Federal Reserve it all becomes very clear.

What my studies have concluded, for me, is that ALL paper assets will fail. If the people of the world want to survive this financial calamity, of the centuries, in my opinion, it would be wise to put any wealth they have accumulated into hard assets: food, silver coins, a safe home with no mortgage, and the daily necessities of living to barter with. And, if one has bigger means, than perhaps holding art, gold etc would be good. There are a few investments that would be worthwhile, but still risky of you can’t afford to lose your investment. But still, anyone who is holding any paper assets: be it stocks, bonds, currencies, or even their pensions, it is my opinion that they will lose all, and be hungry on the street.
THIS IS NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE.TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE. THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION OF WHAT I THINK OF TODAYS FINANCIAL SITUATION.

It is my opinion that when one follows the history of money, and the Federal Reserve, when one reads what Jean- Marie sent about the newest, immoral accounting trick the fed just played, what other sound conclusion can anyone else come up with? I truly would like to hear other opinions and perspectives.

I think those people who have become very conservative with their wealth, and took their fiat money and put it into real money and hard assets will be able to ride out the collapse easier than those who still believe in paper assets. People who have sold their Mc Mansions that they worked hard to support each month, and bought a smaller house with cash in a safe and beautiful place, I believe will be happier and more secure.

I think people need to remember that their home should provide for a place of safety and rest from the outside world.
Homes should take care of you! You shouldn’t work hard to take care of the home!

I wish you well with all the decisions you make. And I would appreciate hearing what others are doing to protect their families from this economic calamity that appears to be on the horizon. Forewarned is truly forearmed in these current times we are living in..

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/7/11

[conk]

Yes blake, agree about paper currency. When the stuff hits the spinning blade, I hope to be holding gold, silver, valuable collectibles, and farm land. Fiat won't even be good for clean up of the posterior end.

[blake]

Hello Richard, and Avalonians, especially Atticus,

On one hand, Richard, I understand and agree that there are people in 180 countries or more in our Avalon community, some, of whom, may not have electricity or enough food; so how can we justify to use the Avalon forum as a contact point for donations to help an American save their house, and in doing so seemingly give even more money into the hands of the banksters? I believe there is no easy answer for that; but I know that it is a worthy and important question to seriously mull over, and to brain storm answers for instead of just simply shutting the door on.

I also agreed with your answer to Atticus, concerning what happened to our model civilization; you wrote, “because currency became part of the equation”. Well isn’t that the elephant in the room that few will talk about? And that is what needs to be talked about openly. As long as we can’t stare currency in the eye, and ask why it is ruling the world, and ruling us, instead of right relationships making the world go around, then the Avalon forum will just be another virtual word factory and nothing more.

In order to level the financial playing field against the mega, deep rich of long lineage, so we can do what is right and good, then it is pertinent that we get over the psychological control that “money” has on us. “Currency” must be able to get into the equation, or we will never change the world. Currency must be part of the equation, but not as a controlling force as it is now, but as an honest tool for all of humanity. If money keeps the power assigned to it by those who now control it, rather then be what it was designed for, than humanity looses. And by not talking about it, by letting it remain the elephant in the room, by not letting it be part of the equation, we all contribute to that loss.

No matter how hard you have worked, have you ever noticed how much of your lives, and your actions have been controlled by money? Do you want the “new civilization” to be controlled by money too? Have you ever asked yourself what money is? Money was formed to simply be a simple medium of exchange. So how can something so unreal, designed by us to complete such a simple task, now control the actions of us all? How did “money” get to be more powerful than it was first designed to be? It is because we allowed those of long, lineage with deep pockets to redefine money, so they could control us with it. And obviously since “currency” coming into the equation apparently stopped a good deed from being done, then they are still controlling all of us, even us awakened and enlightened Avalonians!


It is true, since money controls the world, and we go along with that control, this good deed could cause Mr. Ryan and Avalon issues. So I challenge our Avalon community: OKAY LAWYERS OUT THERE IN AVALON LAND come forward and donate consultation time and energy to Mr. Ryan to help “protect him and his project;.” so something good can be done without getting punished for the good deed.

But even if, there are no Avalonian legal eagles out there willing to donate their expertise in building this “new civilization”, the fact is, as others have pointed out, Mr. Ryan does not have to be involved with this. It can be done in a low key, casual fashion. After all isn’t it really just friend helping friend? Or, are we going to allows those who control the world through money to continue to control our actions, and prevent us from doing what is right and good, because currency came into the equation? Didn’t Moderator Dale already graciously volunteer his energy in making this work. Doesn’t that make the rest pretty easy? Just send the money in? The bottom line doesn’t have to be complicated. It doesn’t have to be under the name or connected to Avalon or Mr. Ryan. Why make it so? In America, I can still send a five dollar federal reserve note in the mail, anonymously, to another person without explaining that action to anybody, because it isn’t anybody’s business.


So the first hurdle is to decide if you going to allow, money, a totally made up entity, to control you from doing what is right and good for yourself and others. We live in an abundant universe. But since money was redefined beyond its original purpose, giving it power to eat up a lot of our valuable time on earth, while engineering the scarcity of life’s basic needs: food, shelter etc., should we step back and take a good hard look at this elephant in the room controlling all our actions? Should we continue this money charade, and give power to those who don’t deserve it? Or are we going to challenge those who control the world through money, and deflate money to its proper place in an honest, and good new civilization. Isn’t that he real question?

But Richard appears frozen in action, not just because currency has been brought into the equation, and the potential legal issues, but also how do you decide who is deserving of help. As I said before, I start by helping myself, because by making myself strong, then I can help my family be strong. And since strong families make strong communities, I am already contributing to the strength of my community. Yet, I also know that life is not easy, fair or equal. We all have our challenges, so if I can help someone, help themselves, I will. And sometimes that might mean me observing a single parent struggling to get food on the table. So as not to embarrass them or damage their pride, or make them beholding to me, I might mail them an anonymous gift card to the local super market, or CSA (Community supported agriculture). And I know a little helping hand once in a while can make all the difference in how well my community functions.

But in this case, we are not talking about someone in our neighborhood who we can observe and judge for ourselves. We are talking about a stranger in our forum community; someone who probably lives far away from many of us, who we will never meet. Money is scarce for many of us. We want to direct our money wisely during these financially uncertain times. Yet I have five dollars that I can direct to the well being of another person. Atticus acted as a sponsor for this American. He observed the need, reported it to our community, and made a request on that person’s behalf for help. I find that admirable as long as it is on the up and up, and that is where the leap of faith comes in. I will believe Atticus that this money will go to this person, and that this American is deserving of the money, and will use the money with the intentions in which it was given….. no strings attached. I don’t even want that person to know I gave them money but I do hope that person will help someone else in need. And knowing human nature as I do, I am quite positive that that person will pay forward to others much more than they ever receive from us. and in my book, that is an excellent investment of five dollars.


Richard also brings up the point how so many people need help, and how so many people on this forum don’t even own a home; so why should those on this forum help another keep their house? That is a post in itself, but the short version is: to help beat down the bad guys from stealing this person’s blood and sweat that they put into this house all these years that the bank did not invest one penny in. I think people should be able to keep what they work hard for. The reality is by helping this person keep their house, the banksters will actually get less. Unfortunately, we have a fraudulent monetary system that allows the bank to take what is not really theirs. If you want the long version and a detailed explanation of how mortgages really work, just ask. But knowing what I know about the banking system, this person probably doesn’t deserve to have the bank take their house. On other note, I wonder if Atticus knows whether the person has seen a legal eagle about mers?

Another issue seems to be why we should help an American keep their house when so many people on this forum don’t even have enough food to eat. That is yet another post, but the short version is because Atticus asked for help for this person after being a witness for their need.
What other senior member can be a sponsor and make a request for need of another that they have witnessed. Perhaps donations can be sent there as well? Maybe or maybe not? My personal opinion is to take action to what is brought before you the best you can. No one person can help everyone. But the more people willing to help another human being, regardless of station in life or lack of station, then that is one major step against the bad guys, and a good step taken at severing the control of money over us.

Atticus, in my humble opinion, the concept was not flawed as Richard stated, quite the opposite, it was truly a brilliant. And I can’t wait to hear the news that that person’s home was saved.


Sincerely,
Mr.Davis
2/7/11

[blake]

Yes blake, agree about paper currency. When the stuff hits the spinning blade, I hope to be holding gold, silver, valuable collectibles, and farm land. Fiat won't even be good for clean up of the posterior end.

Hello Conk,

Thanks for posting again. It sounds like you will have all you need! Do you garden or farm now?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/8/11

[blake]

Hello Readers,

In another post, I talked about money being the elephant in the room. It has been my experiemce that the topic of money seems to makes people uncomfortable. My observation is that those most uncomfortable disccussing money appear to be those who either don't have much of it, or use money to manipulate other people; and one does not have to be a person with deep pockets ,of long lineage to use money this way.

Why I like to talk about money, especially with spiritually minded people, is becasue imoney is the main control of society. And society seems to go along with this control, even though it is extremely damaging to the majority of the people?

The financial deception is very real. And had the monetary system been discussed openly, by regular folks like ourselves, then the problems nations are facing today, at least in America, just wouldn't be happening.

I believe in responsibility. And I am puzzled why so many people appear to be irresponsible with their civic duty of educating themselves about how money works and hold their governemmnts accountantable for this financial deception that has put so many people out of work and on the strreet. The only reason why this financial chaos is happening, is becasue the people were silient about the deceptive monetary system.

I believe that gods, angels and good thoughts help a lot; and I truely beleive in the essense of the old saying that "God helps them who helps themselves." And financially, it would appear, looking at the society that we live in, people just didn't help themselves. I am curious as to why anyone would expect any spiritual assistance in these dire ecomonic times, since it appears these economic times are direct result of people not helping themselves by keeping a blind eye on the money issues?

I would love to hear your views.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/8/11

[Dennis Leahy]

Hello Readers,

..

The financial deception is very real. And had the monetary system been discussed openly, by regular folks like ourselves, then the problems nations are facing today, at least in America, just wouldn't be happening.

I believe in responsibility. And I am puzzled why so many people appear to be irresponsible with their civic duty of educating themselves about how money works and hold their governemmnts accountantable for this financial deception that has put so many people out of work and on the strreet. The only reason why this financial chaos is happening, is becasue the people were silient about the deceptive monetary system.

I believe that gods, angels and good thoughts help a lot; and I truely beleive in the essense of the old saying that "God helps them who helps themselves." And financially, it would appear, looking at the society that we live in, people just didn't help themselves. I am curious as to why anyone would expect any spiritual assistance in these dire ecomonic times, since it appears these economic times are direct result of people not helping themselves by keeping a blind eye on the money issues?

I would love to hear your views.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/8/11
Dear Mr. Davis,

(I highlighted sections of your text that I am replying to.)

The vast majority of workers on planet Earth work harder than almost any American could ever imagine, and almost no American worker could keep up. Hard workers are not rewarded for hard work; it is nonsense to suggest that working hard has anything at all to do with being properly or fairly rewarded.

Within the US, the workers work very hard, probably 10 to 100 times harder than management and especially upper management and ownership. Corporate bigwigs routinely make 100 to 1000 times more than their workers.

The powers that be (PTB) purchased all major media outlets and control the schools, and have made it exceedingly difficult for the majority of the population to understand money, the Federal Reserve, fractional reserve lending, compound interest, "high finances", trading, futures, commodities, derivatives...this stuff is made as complex as possible with financial jargon rivaling legalese. It is done purposely, to enslave the masses. Just because you stepped a foot outside the matrix and figured it out, does not mean the average very hard working worker will ever figure it out. It's like saying that watching the sun in the sky gave obvious understanding of a heliocentric galaxy, to all the people before Galileo - and berating them for not figuring it out.

The "financial meltdown" was engineered theft by bankers and brokers. It was a theft of real property (thus the foreclosures), but mostly a theft of money created out of thin air, and the debt was offloaded to the working class - to ensure perpetual financial enslavement. Of the "smart" and very lucky workers that have had higher paying jobs, and have saved and have invested: if the US dollar devalues to crap, and/or the stock market or bond markets collapse (which will happen if the financial engineers at the top of the pyramid decide to shake down the rest of the middle class), there will be millions more that will lose it all. God forbid a family member gets cancer from GMO foods, aspartame, and other poisons, as medical bills are the #1 way to financial ruin for those in the middle class.

Please don't give me a knee-jerk reaction to this, but your premise is amazingly incorrect and amazingly naive. Yes, there are some lazy people, but attributing the lack of financial success of almost all of the poor, lower middle, and middle class workers to the notion that "people just didn't help themselves" is a very uninformed opinion - the kind of thing I might expect from an academician that has absolutely lost touch with working people, but has read about them.

Sorry I'm coming off as angry; I'm angry. This is a very unfair characterization of the working people of the world.

Dennis

[Tuxedo]

Hello Dennis,
I think you are missing the point that Mr. Davis was trying to make. The average working people do work hard for their income, and have mosted of it taxed away in a multitude of direct and indirected ways. If the average person would take the time to understand how the PTB are shaking them down perhaps we would have a Cairo experience forthright. Mr. Davis is not calling the working people stupid, merely uninformed of the way the finance system works and it is in their best interest to understand how big the monetary elephant actually is. I see people using a debt card to buy a $2.00 purchase and I shake my head, knowning that they are just adding to the problem of the financial meltdown.
Sincerely
Tuxedo

[Dennis Leahy]

Hello Dennis,
I think you are missing the point that Mr. Davis was trying to make. The average working people do work hard for their income, and have mosted of it taxed away in a multitude of direct and indirected ways. If the average person would take the time to understand how the PTB are shaking them down perhaps we would have a Cairo experience forthright. Mr. Davis is not calling the working people stupid, merely uninformed of the way the finance system works and it is in their best interest to understand how big the monetary elephant actually is. I see people using a debt card to buy a $2.00 purchase and I shake my head, knowning that they are just adding to the problem of the financial meltdown.
Sincerely
Tuxedo

I have a brother-in-law that has an MBA degree, and has worked in mid management for one of the largest banks in the world. When I mentioned something about the Federal Reserve belonging to international bankers and not to the US government, he laughed at me.

I tried several more times to explain it to him, and he just shook his head and said I was mistaken.

Finally, after seeing the movie, "The Secret of Oz", I bought a copy and loaned it to him. I haven't heard back yet.

Now, if someone with a graduate degree in business, a masters degree, and who has worked in bank management for a major bank is having a difficult/impossible time understanding these issues, how in the hell is the average working Joe going to have a chance? I'll bet most of us that know who the Federal Reserve really is found out sideways - like investigating JFK signing Executive Order 11110, not because of our prowess in high finance.

Also, can you explain a derivative? If yes, try it on the manager of a Starbucks, or a nurse, or even a bank teller. Explain the ramifications of abandoning the Glass-Steagall Act? Explain quantitative easing? Explain $23 trillion dollar treasury/Fed theft/giveaway: who made it "legal" and how it was done? How much gold has been stolen, and who took it...

I don't mean to be harsh, it is in people's best interest to understand big finance, but Big Finance is doing everything in their power to hide and obfuscate as much of it as possible. Secondly, they have had us by the throats and by the gonads for a long, long time, and even if 10 million extra Americans had awakened to the methods of the banking cabal, that would not have given us any power to stop them. The last person with the knowledge and the power to do something had a large chunk of his skull shot off in broad daylight in Dallas in '63.

Dennis

[blake]

Hello Mr. Leahy,

I would never give a knee jerk reaction to you or anyone else, I think communication is far too important to stall a flow of ideas because of a disagreement, yet, I am quite miffed at myself by not expressing my thoughts clearer. I think we might have a bit of a disagreement but not all that you seem to claim. For example, I don’t see anywhere in my post where I wrote that the workers of the world were lazy; and I am terribly sorry my words may have come across to you as if I was suggesting that, because I wasn’t even hinting at that. Nor did I write that poor, and middle income Americans do not have financial success because they are lazy. So please allow me to clarify my thoughts to you.

I agree with you that most people work hard. Many people in lower and middle income salaries often work two or three jobs just to put food on the table for their families; and unfortunately these same very hard working people are often way underpaid, and can be taken advantaged of, as well as not treated fairly. I am only going to talk about Americans, because that is where my first hand experience is.

In my opinion, there are all sorts of responsibilities in life: to oneself, to one’s family, to one’s work, to one’s communities etc. One of the first major struggles, and responsibilities in life is to figure out how to support yourself and your family; and then to do what it necessary to take good care of yourself and your family. Most Americans want to learn about the basics of life to keep them healthy, secure and happy. They learn about nutrition, hygiene, exercise and how to vote etc. But few learn about money and the banking system which is a very integral part of their daily life that can and does determine their freedom, and quality of life. We all know what happens when we choose not to brush and floss our teeth, or take care of other daily hygiene matters… the body weakens and eventually breaks down. So, most people will put energy into understanding the basic necessities of life: shelter, food, water, medicine, friends, work etc. Yet, the majority of people totally ignore the understanding of another basic foundation of life, and that is money.

Obviously, Mr. Leahy, you understand the basics of the monetary system, and a lot more. Yet you appear to be defending the majority of people for not understanding it. And that appears to be where the disagreement is. One thing I know for sure is that most people are pretty smart. So I’m always amazed when people choose to undermine their skills for success by not learning about the manipulation of money, and how that has affected their wealth and lives. Considering how much money controls us all, it is a puzzle to me that people do not seek this information out; and from my observations, not even when the material is freely presented to them. Is this perhaps some emotional and psychological component that has been hypnotized into them?

You seem to think that money is all too complicated for the average person to understand. I disagree. The average person is quite capable of understanding fractional reserve banking, and how our fairly new debt based monetary system directly affects how hard they have to work, and why they don’t get ahead. Yes, I agree that some of it gets very complicated with all the new financial instruments, and creative accounting practices that they have come up with in the last few years; even Warren Buffet admitted he had a hard time understanding what derivatives were at first. But only money 101 is necessary to see through the fraud and protect yourself, and your country. And it would appear that people don’t even want to understand that, let alone talk about it.


I agree with you, the powers that be have done a wonderful job in trying to cover up, the knowledge of money 101; and as you said, among other things, they don’t teach it in school in order to keep the people in the dark, so that the people can be easily stolen from and controlled. There are obstacles in being exposed to this information, but obstacles can be surmounted with will and a desire to overcome. And this is where I say “God helps those who help themselves”. It has been my experience that many Americans want to practice their right not to know concerning money. They are smart enough to learn, they are hard workers, but they cut their own throats in this one area, and I wonder why? And as a result of them choosing their right not to know about the money system, Americans are becoming homeless. It is not their fault for being lied to. It is not their fault for losing everything to a corrupt system. But it is their fault when they choose the right not to know how they were being controlled and manipulated financially.

Money is still a very sensitive topic for many people. Why is it so difficult for people to talk about it? There appears to be a lot of psychological hang ups about money. Some people think money is bad. But money is only bad if it is not used in the way it was designed to be used, as a simple medium of exchange. And, it is my opinion that the people are at fault for money not being used as a simple medium of exchange. That was their civic duty, no matter how the bad guys tried to fool them. I am angry what those in power did to the monetary system. And I understand how hard it is to sometimes get at the truth. But I get frustrated when people don’t even want the truth. Some People appear to want to blame money for the evils in the world, when in reality, they perhaps should be looking at their own choices in refusing to learn or acknowledge the truth about money that could work toward their benefit.

Isn’t it interesting that Atticus said that the way to beat the bad guys was financial. Yet, it was just glossed over by most Avalonians? There are people who are more than willing to give of their free time and knowledge to explain money 101 to people; and yet from my observation of the public, they usually decline the offer. So that is where my saying “God helps those who helps themselves” come in. Not for being lazy workers, for people
are generally very hard workers, but for not seeking out an answer to a problem that was and is destroying their lives Most Americans are choosing ignorance of what is happening around them concerning the money situation, so how can God help them. They got to take that first step. And sadly people don’t.

My sincere apologies for upsetting you, that was not my attention. I look forward to healthy debate if you are interested.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/8/11

[blake]

Hello Dennis,
I think you are missing the point that Mr. Davis was trying to make. The average working people do work hard for their income, and have mosted of it taxed away in a multitude of direct and indirected ways. If the average person would take the time to understand how the PTB are shaking them down perhaps we would have a Cairo experience forthright. Mr. Davis is not calling the working people stupid, merely uninformed of the way the finance system works and it is in their best interest to understand how big the monetary elephant actually is. I see people using a debt card to buy a $2.00 purchase and I shake my head, knowning that they are just adding to the problem of the financial meltdown.
Sincerely
Tuxedo

I have a brother-in-law that has an MBA degree, and has worked in mid management for one of the largest banks in the world. When I mentioned something about the Federal Reserve belonging to international bankers and not to the US government, he laughed at me.

I tried several more times to explain it to him, and he just shook his head and said I was mistaken.

Finally, after seeing the movie, "The Secret of Oz", I bought a copy and loaned it to him. I haven't heard back yet.

Now, if someone with a graduate degree in business, a masters degree, and who has worked in bank management for a major bank is having a difficult/impossible time understanding these issues, how in the hell is the average working Joe going to have a chance? I'll bet most of us that know who the Federal Reserve really is found out sideways - like investigating JFK signing Executive Order 11110, not because of our prowess in high finance.

Also, can you explain a derivative? If yes, try it on the manager of a Starbucks, or a nurse, or even a bank teller. Explain the ramifications of abandoning the Glass-Steagall Act? Explain quantitative easing? Explain $23 trillion dollar treasury/Fed theft/giveaway: who made it "legal" and how it was done? How much gold has been stolen, and who took it...

I don't mean to be harsh, it is in people's best interest to understand big finance, but Big Finance is doing everything in their power to hide and obfuscate as much of it as possible. Secondly, they have had us by the throats and by the gonads for a long, long time, and even if 10 million extra Americans had awakened to the methods of the banking cabal, that would not have given us any power to stop them. The last person with the knowledge and the power to do something had a large chunk of his skull shot off in broad daylight in Dallas in '63.

Dennis

Hello Mr Leahy,

Did you ever try to talk to a doctor about a health benefit that they didn't learn in medical school? Sometimes the more education one has in a specific field the larger their blinders. I can rememeber being on local show one evening, and having some teenagers ask me questions about the money system. I talked to them about it for about twenty minutes, money 101, I call it. They had young open minds and took it all in. When I ran into them a few days later, they said their parents said I didn't know what I was talking about, when they explained to, their very financially successful parents in poliics ,what I had explained to them. Years later, I ran into them after they had received their masters degrees; and when they saw me they said. "Hey, Mr Davis, you were right all along."
An open mind and interested mind, how refreshing!


I think, sometimes, the more educated a person is, the more embarrassed they get if they have been fooled by the system. But when they start to research it theselves they do understand it. I never go beyond money 101, fractional banking and the debt based currency. When I lay out how that affects people's lives directly, they usually catch on pretty fast if they want to hear the information. So, it hasn't been my experience that the material is too difficult, if one doesn't goes beyond the basics, and overwhelm. I thiink the information it is more of a shock to people, so they go into denial mode. The other thing that is hard for people I find, once they understand how the system works, then they also feel gulity whn ethey realize they are feeding it with their daily activites, so another reason to regress back into denial, I guess.

And as to you brother, no matter what his education or work expereince is, he is your brother, and I think for many of us, family members can sometimes be the most difficult, so it was good you lent him a DVD. Yet that is my frustartion, not only will people not seek out the information, they so easy shut down when it is freely presented.

And so I bring up money wherever I go. I have had my head chopped off a lot! But sometimes the results are very rewarding, especially with younger people.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/8/11

[firstlook]

Blake,

you said in one of your posts:


Create the energy, then forgive the obligation.

I think its a brilliant way of explaining a sustainable system in all topics, especially resources and their distribution.

Something about this statement rings so true to a free society that allows free will to dictate its direction and imagination.

I wonder how this would be mathematically represented? surely it would relate to the golden mean.

anyways, I'm reading all the rest of your posts and appreciate more then just these words. Thanks.

:)

[Dennis Leahy]

OK, I have calmed down now, Mr. Davis. :~)

Thanks for providing the "Money 101" lectures. I'm sure you have educated many.

This statement also shows wisdom: "I think, sometimes, the more educated a person is, the more embarrassed they get if they have been fooled by the system."

Thanks!

Dennis

[Tuxedo]

Yes Dennis, I agreed with you on many points as well as Mr Davis. I do like the comment that you made above "I think, sometimes, the more educated a person is, the more embarrassed they get if they have been fooled by the system."
I would like people to start thinking critically, critcal thinking has disappeared in today's society. It is not taught in schools anymore and definately not encourged in society.
I understand that I have much to learn everyday and that is one of the reasons that I have joined this forum. I just wish people would take a more activity role in their everyday education by reading, researching and understanding (critical thinking) what is going on around them.
I try to do my part as you did with your Brother-in-law, if I can get one person a month to take the blinders off I feel I am moving in the right direction.
Sincerely,
Tuxedo

[blake]

Blake,

you said in one of your posts:


Create the energy, then forgive the obligation.

I think its a brilliant way of explaining a sustainable system in all topics, especially resources and their distribution.

Something about this statement rings so true to a free society that allows free will to dictate its direction and imagination.
I wonder how this would be mathematically represented? surely it would relate to the golden mean.

anyways, I'm reading all the rest of your posts and appreciate more then just these words. Thanks.

:)



Hello First Look,

Thank you for posting and for your kind words.
The quote “create the energy and then forgive the obligation” is Jonathan’s quote not mine.

I am not a mathematician; so I would have to spend quite some time mulling over how to mathematicaly represent the above quote. The golden mean, might very well be a good represenation of it, but I am afraid that is beyond my expertise. But I do find the golden mean facinating and beautiful. Are you into mathematics?

If you are or have an interest in it, are you aware of the financial, mathematical formula that Wall Street and the banks enjoyed until it cracked in 2008?.( Dr Li’s financial mathematical formula) A book, printed in 2010 called : “ Babylon’s Banksters”, by Joseph P. Farrell, talks about this formula in the first chapter. You can get the book through interlibrary loan, through your local library. It is a good read, especially if you have interest in the age long conspiracy of the banksters; and how the modern fiat system has a connection to ancient alchemy and modern physics!

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/9/11

[Jonathon]

Hello Jonathan,

Thank you for your post. I too do not know what Atticus meant by writing, that what was needed to beat the “bad guys was financial. To my knowledge, neither he, nor Mr. Ryan wrote any more on the topic, which both surprised and disappointed me.

I can only guess that since money makes the world spin for those in such “lofty” power, if they were relieved of the power of their money, the playing field would be to our advantage since as so many people have pointed out, “there are more of us then them.” The only other thing, I can think of that he might have meant was that we needed money for a huge global marketing campaign to expose them. So I don’t know what he meant by it; however, in my opinion, how much more constructive it would be if he would be specific and not so vague, or noncommittal about what he shares.

In my humble opinion, money doesn't make people in power spin. Quite the contrary... the people Atticus/Charles refers to don't need money at all. Power is it's own currency. A client of mine who was a judge once told me that he could drive 200 miles away to a restaurant in the middle of nowhere and still have someone he didn't even know buy his lunch =) My hunch from listening/reading all of the material is that Charles is referring to money as the grease in the wheels. You and I, of course, supply the grease. We do that through the creation of debt (more money) and paying debt with debt (novation). Therefore, he's probably 'saying' we need to cut it all loose on a mass scale, take the pain and then step in and set things right... that would be one way to do it.


I do understand that since 1971 the American monetary system has completely been based on debt. It is unfortunate that the newer American generations were never alive to experience life on a monetary system based on wealth instead of debt. That was a time when a person’s savings was not eaten away by this debt economy we now have that is like a ponzi scheme, that must constantly grow or it will collapse, unlike the previous sound, wealth base monetary system that we had. What I find amazing, when I talk to older Americans, who were in their prime when the American monetary system made the final switch, is that they were not even aware that it happened. So, alas, Hitler’s saying is thrown in our faces once again,” how lucky for rulers that men don’t think”. Yes, the older generation wasn’t even aware that the rug was quietly taken out from under them; and life went on as usual as they adjusted to the changes without question year after year until they all went broke. Having a society disinterested in its monetary system, and expecting others or their elected leaders to watch over the wolves in power, certainly made it easy for the controllers to steal from all of us and now, it is all collapsing. Sadly, I still find few people interested in the monetary system; they just seem to want it fixed without any understanding of their part in allowing it to break.

Right you are there blake. Part of the solution is figuring out what went wrong in the first place. The division game works well. If you can create two sets of opposing patriots, you can create just about anything you want. One team expects to lose for a while while the other is goading over the spoils of war. Role switch a few years later. Rational dissenters of any weight are removed by whatever means necessary. A game we know all to well.


Your post is very long; and you have written many points that I would like to respond to, but my time is limited to what I can spend on this today so perhaps another day I can post a further response. But I would like to end this post by responding to this point you brought up


“A gold backed currency presented a major problem - scarcity. You cannot grow the money supply if it is based on a resource of somewhat limited supply. This did not fit well into the controllers agenda. They needed to create a system of abundant obligation as a means of control, therefore a well orchestrated system of bankruptcy was instituted (a bankrupt entity cannot use real money – i.e tangible assets, until it is able to pay it’s debts and return to financial sovereignty). The silver lining is that in the process, they instituted the perfect spiritual system that is based wholly on trust (ALL law, conduct, contract and otherwise is based on trust - see Trust Law).”

I agree the bad guys didn’t like the fact that a gold back system strictly limited the amount of money that Congress could spend. Once the gold back system was completely eliminated, the lobbyist knew Congress now had unlimited spending power, and as we all know they went to town spending “our” money recklessly along with “money that just did not exist creating today’s national debt.

It's not the amount of money that Congress can spend that's important necessarily. It's the leverage the creditor's (of the US international bankruptcy) have over the debtors. We are in the 4th iteration of international bankruptcy, which began with the 1st default in 1789. As of 1929 'debtor' falls on individual citizens after a 3rd default in international bankruptcy (1st = National Govt 1789, 2nd States in 1859 -- 70 years for international bankruptcy) - meaning loss of individual sovereignty. Hence the 'New Deal'. Loss of individual sovereignty and becoming wards of the state (income tax, social security etc); sovereign currency (real money: gold/silver) replaced by money of account (FRNs). The sovereign Republic over-layed by a de facto, military/wartime government system called "Democracy".

Brief summary as I understand it:
1789 - Revolutionary War Debt - in default. Founding fathers leverage national and state governments as surety for the debt.
1859 - Civil War. Northern states refuse to pay their equal weight of the debt due to the disproportionate amount of manufacturing and crop income controlled / held by the southern states (among other things). Many provocateurs in prominent positions on the record as instigators at this time. South wants to secede - take their large GDP and run. States now in default as guarantors of the original debt, now much higher with sparse payments and 70 years worth of interest.
1929 - Crash of 1929, Great Depression, New Deal, IRS, Income Tax, Social Security etc and so on. Individuals now in bankruptcy.

The money isn't "ours". We contracted into the Federal Reserve System via the SS5 document (application for social security) which then grants us a corporation and corresponding EIN. In this system, we have agreed to exchange (re-venue) our private energy in exchange for money of account. That money of account is owned by the Federal Reserve System, which is also why it can be legally taxed, confiscated and 'fixed' as seen fit by a private corporation known as the Federal Reserve. It's all by agreement. The fact that people don't know they agreed to it is hardly the point. Ignorance is no excuse for the 'law'. You see, the choice was and always has been there. We may not like the choices, however they have always been ours to make. That's the little game 'they' like to play.


I believe this is a world of abundance; but illegal laws, and the manipulation of public thought, through lies, marketing and social engineering creates scarcity. Money, as you said is simply a means of exchange. As long as the means of exchange is kept honest, as in a wealth based system based on gold, the value of my work and yours will keep its value and not be inflated away or stolen by those who manipulate the endless laws!

An old Roman senator once said, “the more laws a nation has, the more corrupt it is.” I firmly believe that. Please notice the law making machine Congress has become to the point that it is accepted practice for our “esteem” Congress people to vote on life changing bills that affect our daily lives without ever reading the bill first!

Money based on tangible assets is easily manipulated based on the supply of the set of resources it's based on. Resources can be hoarded, making it easy for certain individuals to choke the money supply. The supply of money is absolutely crucial, yet the easiest thing to control (or lose control of) in a resource based exchange system. A man's word, or 'trust' is a much more valuable commodity; and certainly more abundant than gold... at least one would hope so. A lot harder to steal as well =)

As referenced above, Congress no longer works for the people. This should seem obvious. The national and state governments lost sovereignty a long time ago. Public officials work for the creditors - the private stockholders in the de facto corporate Democracy.


In your post, part of what you seem to be describing appears to be the “strawman theory” that went around the internet about ten or twelve years ago, and well as the use of “Trusts” to protect one’s assets and businesses. I believe in honest money. Honest money is a simple stable medium to exchange the value of our work or assets for what we seek out, such as services, food etc. If there are a lot of “rules” concerning how that exchange is made, like the strawman system you have described, that opens the door for a lot of fraud. The American founders wrote our fundamental law in literature in the common language of the day so that the average American on the street would understand the law without needing a lawyer to interpret it, One of the ways that the “controllers” keep us controlled is by their miles and miles of rules, regulations, and laws that intentionally put people to sleep, as well as provide the means to cover up all their fraudulent transactions, so the people can be stolen from without being aware of it.

The founders of America defined exactly what a dollar was. It was legally defined in the coinage act back in the 1700s as a silver coin weighing 371.25 grains of fine silver. They defined a dollar with a specific weight to cut down on fraud. Does the American “Federal Reserve Note” that Americans now refer to as a “dollar” come anywhere near that definition of our constitutionally defined dollar that kept the people’s wealth in tact? No, it doesn’t. So why did Americans allow the fraud to happen? I believe, among other reasons, it is because the people were socially engineered into ignoring not only what real money is, but how a sound monetary system was set up to protect their wealth; and that they were kept in the dark, with miles and miles of laws, as this present American monetary system was redesigned, and then handed over to the private bankers.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/6/11.

No not quite. You don't use a Trust. You are the trust. Everything in bankruptcy is part of the trust. It's in trust because all of the value has been removed -- there's nothing left except trust!. You can't use real money (hence FRNs), you can't own property (hence property tax) and cannot avoid federal/medicare/social security tax -- at least not in the Democracy (public). You are not sovereign - you are bankrupt. Everything else is some reflection of that state. There technically is no fraud, because there is agreement. Silence, ignorance, argument etc. All confer agreement. While I agree that the deck has been heavily stacked against us, there is no excuse that removes one ounce of personal responsibility. Here we are.

The American Founders leveraged our sovereignty on the very debt taken to save it. Unfortunately, we failed to honor that debt - albeit the creditors made damn sure the decision would be hard pressed to go any other way.

Interesting facts:

CONSTITUTOR, civil law. He who promised by a simple pact to pay the debt of another.

The Constitution was a surety issued for the war debts by the national government and guaranteed by the states (all signed). The largest portion of that debt was owed to private French banksters, however a good chunk was supplied by the French monarchy as well.

When certain private 'bankers who had been supporting the monarch refused to give any more loans to the French government in 1788-1789, the French monarchy went bankrupt. These same banking interests created and supported a coup via the French Revolution, leading to the establishment of a French Republic backed by the banking interests who (also) became the new holder of the US debt. My understanding is these 'banking interests' are bloodlines of the Rothschilds (and others) we know and love today.

[blake]

Hello All,

I think the following is good information, an dworth mulling over. Perhaps many of you are already familiar with Mr Weir's work?

Sincerely,
Mr.Davis
2/10/11

The Road to Roota Theory vs. Secret Investment Pools, CMKX Settlements and Global Settlement Theories
Bix Weir


For over a year I have been hearing from people who claim to be "invested" in Secret Investment Pools, CMKX Settlements and World Global Settlements. Apparently, years ago these investors gave money to some well connected insiders with the assurance that their small investments would pay off in handsome riches when the Banksters were taken down and we returned to the Gold Standard.

Discounting the "insider information" aspect of this scenario, they all seem like very decent people who are well aware of the evils of fiat money and the control the banking cabal has over our lives.

I was recently sent a recorded conference call that some of these "investors" had to discuss the status of their investments.

You can find that recording here:

https://app.freeconferencecallhd.com/playback.html?cn=94-43-28-63&e=1307163600000&cid=conferences/-17-65-679692-17-65-67-17-65-677061-17-65-6724-17-65-6731-17-65-6768-17-65-673151.mp3

or here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IncyFDTR9MA

Just the other day there was another conference call on the same topic which I have attached below. Clearly, due to the detail and story in this call, these people are all getting the same intel from their sources.

https://www.freeconferencing.com/playback.html?cn=94-43-28-63&e=2243221200000&cid=conferences/-17-65-6759-17-65-67-17-65-67-17-65-67126-17-65-67-17-65-6783-17-65-6753122121-17-65-67-17-65-670.mp3



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First, let me state that even though they talk about and believe many things that I have laid out in the Road to Roota Analysis, I don't think that these "funds" will ever be realized as windfall profits for these investors. Yes, I do believe that these funds ARE REAL but I think these investors are massively underestimating the consequences that we will encounter when fiat money ENDS...as it surely will.
The first thing they must understand is that our global markets and economy for the last 40 years has been secretly manipulated by a handful of people...some good and some bad. The abuse of the fiat monetary system was not by chance, done out of greed or even stupidity...it was all by design.

This design was created by a handful of very important Americans...many of which worked for the Federal Reserve starting with Alan Greenspan and his mentor, then Fed Chairman Arthur Burns. This design is the back bone of the Road to Roota Theory which can be found here:

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/190.cfm

The plan in the Road to Roota Theory was to destroy the banking cabal by first massively abusing the US Dollar by cranking up the printing presses beyond anyone's belief all the while using this money to build homes, buildings, factories and infrastructure. Once the world's population begins to finally stop accepting the fiat Dollar the plug will be pulled and all paper assets and debt will be erased in a grand derivative implosion removing the power from the banking cabal once and for all.

This theory is amazingly similar to the scenario painted in this conference call except for two VERY important difference. In the Road to Roota analysis...

1) ALL FORMS OF FIAT ARE DESTROYED... NOT REALLOCATED.

2) THERE IS A DIFFERENT REALLOCATION METHOD...ONE THAT IS MORE FAIR, MORE VIABLE AND DOES NOT REQUIRE THE WORLD TO BUY INTO IT.!

IN A WAY IT IS AN "ORGANIC" METHOD OF RESTARTING OUR MONETARY SYSTEM!

Nobody comes out of this situation better off because they had the inside connections to certain people who were in on the plot all along. The Fed Boston comic "Wishes and Rainbows" and "The Road to Roota Teachers Guide" are VERY clear on this issue with these references in mind:

Wishes and Rainbows: www.bos.frb.org/education/pubs/wishes.pdf

THE ROAD TO ROOTA: www.bos.frb.org/education/pubs/roota.pdf

1) EVERYONE wants a colored flower for themselves but in the end it is Roota (Greenspan) who gets to decide how the colored flowers are allocated. His choice is difficult but he decides to allocate the flower according to age from the oldest to the youngest because it was the most fair way. This can be achieved through the Social Security system accounts and is why Greenspan was put in charge of fixing it in the 1970's. There are no side investors or special people who are allocated more than others.

2) The allocation method aligns with Greenspan's two original charges when he was elected as the head of the Council of Economic Advisers by Gerald Ford...to control the newly unbacked fiat dollar AND TO FIX THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM! He controlled the dollar by rigging the currency and commodity (gold especially) markets with the computer programs he had invented in the 1960's and he's about to fix social security by allocating the United States new Gold backed currency via the Social Security system.






3) The "Road to Roota Teachers Guide" is full of questions on this issue: "What were some of the methods of distribution suggested by the Pebble People?", "Is it a fair system?", "Will the Pebblepeople accept Roota's distribution system?","The Mayor announces that since the colored flowers are so rare and valuable they are going to be used as money"

4) The most important thing that these "investors" are overlooking is that the Implementation of the Gold Standard plan was a very honorable way to both destroy the banking cabal and redistribute the wealth of the world in a more fair and equitable way. There is no room for favorites in either of the Nobel Prize winning economic theories that this plan was based off:

The Golden Rule of Asset Allocation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rule_savings_rate

The Road to the Golden Age http://www.springerlink.com/content/g175216710577801

Just look at what is written in the sand in the 1982 version of the comic and then in the 2007 version when Roota was trying to figure out how to allocate the flowers in "Wishes and Rainbows". The first has many elements of "The Road to the Golden Age" Theory and the second is clearly 11+9 or 911 symbolic of destroying the "Bad Guys".






THAT IS THE SECRET HELD FOR SO LONG BY ALAN GREENSPAN, STEPHEN DEVAUX, RON PAUL AND ALL THE OTHER GOOD GUYS.

IF these funds are real (which I believe they are in fiat terms) and if these "investors" will be given an unequal portion of the new wealth of the world....then they would become the NEW WEALTHY ELITE and the master plan to reallocate the world's wealth away from a concentrated few will have failed. No. I believe that WE THE PEOPLE will be able to choose how the new Gold backed currency will be allocated within the US and I believe it will be done according to the original plan...according to how much you have paid into the Social Security System. These will be Gold backed dollars and it is the only way WE THE PEOPLE will accept the distribution method.

I'm sorry to all you honest investors expecting payouts and you don't have to believe me but I think you would have been better off investing in real gold and silver coins instead of betting that you will come out of this chaos better than others.

The real interesting part of this entire conversation is that I AGREE with all of it except their final conclusion. The belief that the fiat money that was used and abused by both the Good Guys and the Bad Guys will retain value and be backed by commodities AFTER the global implosion of fiat money does not hold water. There are just too many derivatives, too many "dark pools", too many dollars held by other nations and of course too many counterfeit 100's with factories around the world mass producing which the US Treasury pretends they don't know how to make 100's!

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/261.cfm

Not even Alan Greenspan was sure that the people of the US would agree to his reallocation plan. He had no idea if his social security reallocation plan would work.

This line from page 6 of "The Road to Roota- A Teacher Guide" best sums up the problem with reallocating the new money the way these "investor" seem to think it will...

"WILL THE PEBBLEPEOPLE ACCEPT ROOTA'S DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM? WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF THEY DON'T?"

I'd like to suggest to the good people who have "invested" in these funds go take a pole from everyone they know who is NOT invested and ask them this question:

"If you lost everything you currently own in the global financial system in the blink of an eye, would you agree to a reallocation system that benefited some of us who had inside information years ago that this was going to happen?"

I think you know the answer.

The reallocation system must be FAIR to everyone regardless of if they KNEW what was happening or not.

There is ONLY one way this will end...our new form of money cannot be "decided on" by anybody. Gold and Silver are already the money of the United States of America.

Again the Fed Boston Points the way with their publication "Banking Basics":

www.bos.frb.org/education/pubs/banking2.pdf






And, as written in the Fed Boston's releases, the collapse of the global financial system will END all trade between nations for a while so there's no need for "Global Settlements" of fiat currency. All fiat and electronic assets and debts will be washed away in the derivative meltdown. There will be no payouts for investors or nations. This was OUR PLAN all along... to REMOVE those who tried to destroy our great nation.

So WE decide the rules and now it is time to END the game.

Every nation must take care of themselves for a while. You can all do it. China doesn't "need" the US consumer...they have over a billion consumers of their own! Poor nations strangled by debt will now be FREE to create their own vision of the future.

As for the US...time to bring everyone home from every nation around the world. No more wars, no more Globalization, no more devouring the other nations natural resources. It is time to REMEMBER what our founding fathers gave us over 200 years ago.

A FREE REPUBLIC!

For all you "investors" in the COMING GLOBAL MONETARY CHAOS...please don't take my analysis of the end game as as bad thing. Celebrate that our future is very bright...

...it's just going to be bright for EVERYONE!

May the Road you choose be the Right Road.

Bix Weir www.RoadtoRoota.com

[blake]

Hello Jonathan,

It is good to hear from you again. I will begin my reply by defining money as it is now used: money is power. And when I say money makes the world go around, to me it is the same thing as saying power makes the world go around. So we actually agree on this point. I do believe that once a certain amount of money is obtained, collecting more of it is simply a power play. And I agree with you that those who rule the world are into a power trip; they have so much money, that money means something very different to them than it does to the people trying to honestly work hard to provide for their family. How unfortunate that money/power controls the world. It makes for a less loving, and less thoughtful world, where hard working humans are in need, when there is no need for any scarcity in their lives; except for the power games that those who rule the world play. As far as what Atticus meant by financial, I really don’t know. He could have meant coming up with the funding to market a war against corporations, like Monsanto, to break up their monopolies and power bases; or perhaps use the funding to bring hard core criminal charges against the mega corporations that are hurting the people. Or, he could have meant he wanted to deflate the power of the present monetary system, in order to level the economic playing field. Perhaps he wanted to help people become independent of any dishonest monetary system, by teaching them how to stop feeding the vey financial beast that has been enslaving them?

In regards to your thoughts regarding how the money isn’t ours, the bottom line is that Congress did, although not in an up an up fashion, pass the Federal Reserve Act which as you know created the Federal Reserve system. I am sure you must have read, “The Creature from Jekyll Island,” an excellent scholarly work on the money system, and the Federal Reserve, in which the first chapter reads like a suspense novel. The money lords created the Federal Reserve for power. What do you think would have happened to all those bankruptcies you wrote about, if the Federal Reserve was never created?

Did you ever read about the public debates of the American union people, at the local pubs, during the early 1900s about the central bank being forced on Americans? The American people were opposed to it. That is why the Federal Reserve Act had to be passed by Congress in the manner it was passed. I am not saying what you wrote is not correct; but it really doesn’t appear relevant to what is happening today. Like I said in my last post to you, it sounds a lot like the straw man theory, combined with some of the ucc laws. I have read about these bankruptcies years ago, and the perspective of agreeing to contracts unknowing. I personally think, unless one is studying this for a specific purpose, it is quite impractical in the real world, and for me that means it is a waste of time, especially considering how the monetary system is coming down. There appears to be true laws; and then laws that are made up to confuse the people. It is good to understand the difference.

About fifteen of twenty years ago, there were a lot of people playing with the ucc laws who challenged the governments and the courts, under these principles you seem to be bringing up, who ended up in jail. It is fine to study this but be careful thinking about putting it into practice…… that is if I understand you correctly; and I think I do. Lawyers love looking for loop holes. I love looking at the truth, and doing what is right. There are certain old sayings that bear remembering, and one of them is: " the more laws, the more corrupt the system". You are talking about a lot of twisted laws here.

You write that: “Money based on tangible assets is easily manipulated based on the supply of the set of resources it's based on.”

Well, that can be true to a degree, like when the hunt brothers cornered the silver market. However, I don’t believe in a debt based system, because it can be manipulated exponentially to infinity as we are seeing today; which is good for the rulers of the world, and very bad for the real producers of the world, ordinary people.

As far as you believing honesty being more valuable than gold, I believe that is true with friendship, but in practical trade, I believe that is wishful thinking. Perhaps you are unfamiliar or unrealistic concerning basic human nature? Human nature is not innocent by default. Do you not believe in the saying: “that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”? I think a gold based system helps keep people, who want to rule the world, more honest by taking away their opportunity to inflate money to infinity, and then manipulate fraudulent, financial instruments to their benefit, at the expense of everyday, hard working people. Exactly how many honest politicians have you met?

Jonathan, I believe the bottom line is that the People have the last say, they just don’t know it. Have you ever heard of Jury Nullification? If you have then you will understand that no matter the law, or the agreement, brought to trial, the jury can both judge the facts and the law. So in reality, the people continue to hold all the power to overrule all bad law, or laws that they consider not right or fair. They just don’t know it. Jury Nullification has its roots deep in English law that the colonial Americans well understood, but which has been edited out of the modern American’s general body of knowledge.


I believe it is more practical to study the core foundational philosophy of American law, that all other American law must be based on, rather then anything you have written in this post to me. If Americans understood American Law 101, then all the zillions of laws out there can be easily stripped of their power by the people.


Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/10/11

[Jonathon]

Hello to you again as well Mr. Davis. Thank you for taking the time to respond thoroughly. I do appreciate the opportunity to discuss these matters with you and also agree that this is one of the MOST (if not THE most) fundamental subjects to have some grasp of (and I'm not really talking about money).

I have the disadvantage of being a relatively poor to average communicator - especially in terms of inflection/tone in written form. I have always had tremendous angst over the fact that I can't transmit precisely what is in my heart and mind to another individual in the way I am experiencing it. It seems to take 2 lifetimes to create a written response to some level of satisfaction. So bear with me =) I can assure you that I'm mild mannered, hopeful and kind - I hope that comes across, as it is certainly intended.


Hello Jonathan,

It is good to hear from you again. I will begin my reply by defining money as it is now used: money is power. And when I say money makes the world go around, to me it is the same thing as saying power makes the world go around. So we actually agree on this point. I do believe that once a certain amount of money is obtained, collecting more of it is simply a power play. And I agree with you that those who rule the world are into a power trip; they have so much money, that money means something very different to them than it does to the people trying to honestly work hard to provide for their family. How unfortunate that money/power controls the world. It makes for a less loving, and less thoughtful world, where hard working humans are in need, when there is no need for any scarcity in their lives; except for the power games that those who rule the world play. As far as what Atticus meant by financial, I really don’t know. He could have meant coming up with the funding to market a war against corporations, like Monsanto, to break up their monopolies and power bases; or perhaps use the funding to bring hard core criminal charges against the mega corporations that are hurting the people. Or, he could have meant he wanted to deflate the power of the present monetary system, in order to level the economic playing field. Perhaps he wanted to help people become independent of any dishonest monetary system, by teaching them how to stop feeding the vey financial beast that has been enslaving them?

This actually wasn't what I meant. I'll try to bring more clarity. I do not believe that money is power - at least not by my definition of power. Quite the opposite really. He who requires more demonstrates the greatest lack. I define money as a symbol of human energy in both a literal way (in our current system) and in a metaphorical way (universal terms). As such, I bring no particular context to it other than what use I may have for it. In other words, I do not believe money is good or evil. In fact I'm not a believer in good and evil to start with. There is that which serves the self, that which serves another and all means and levels of context, interpretation, imbalance, resistance and blockage to go along with it.

I also do not necessarily believe that some curtained menace is on a power trip. To be honest, I just don't know that. I know what I see, what I think I see, what I hear and then what I think I hear. Which is to say there are some things I have experienced personally, some not, then a good deal I have deduced / intuited from there. While I will agree something is there, I don't presume to know why or what it's means and motivations are.

What I meant to convey in my previous post is that power is a currency all it's own. Power doesn't need money nor IS it money. Most would probably agree the only real power is that which is living, can create, heals, loves and forgives - all with no expectation of return. However, the force I'm talking about is more aptly described as idolic empowerment (if I may create a new term here)... which is the power and authority one imbues to another for purposes of self preservation or gain (fear or greed), regardless of whether any real power and authority exists in the other to begin with. More aptly put, dis-empowerment of self for some perceived advantage. You give them power. The power isn't inherent. The currency is the energy you provide.

Hence, power and money do not control the world. Dis-empowered selves fail to control themselves. It's less loving and less thoughtful precisely because we are less loving and less thoughtful. It is scarce because we see scarcity and lack within ourselves, then reflect it back into the world.

The only way to beat the money system wholly and completely (if this is the goal), is to discontinue it's use, not substitute it for something else. As said earlier, what we do with money is a metaphor -- a cause and effect of who we are as individuals and communities. That being true, the design, no matter how simple or glorious, is meaningless at the end of the day. To skip down in your reply a bit... trust is ALL you have. If you don't have that as a people, gold and silver sure as heck won't make a difference. You're doomed to fail regardless. You can't design corruption out of a system because we're too slick for our own good! Anything you can create, you can create your way out of. I'm not advocating blindness - inherent to integrity is the resolve to nurture it. I'm advocating equal responsibility.


In regards to your thoughts regarding how the money isn’t ours, the bottom line is that Congress did, although not in an up an up fashion, pass the Federal Reserve Act which as you know created the Federal Reserve system. I am sure you must have read, “The Creature from Jekyll Island,” an excellent scholarly work on the money system, and the Federal Reserve, in which the first chapter reads like a suspense novel. The money lords created the Federal Reserve for power. What do you think would have happened to all those bankruptcies you wrote about, if the Federal Reserve was never created?

The Federal Reserve was created DUE to the fact that the people of the United States defaulted on the debt. The Federal Reserve is a result, not a cause. Let's look at what happens in bankruptcy: 1) the party in question is insolvent and therefore deemed unfit to govern it's own affairs, 2) a trustee is appointed to take responsibility, 3) all value is removed (Real money, real property) in order to cover that which can be covered, and 4) the party is then indentured to the creditors for remainder of the debt (unless we're talking fiat bankruptcy, in which case the remainder is reorganized or set-off). This indenture, in the case of international bankruptcy, is 70 years. Meaning, you serve the interests of the creditors until which time the debt can be paid. In the case of the USA, our national 'machine' kicked into an imperialistic gear to serve the interests of our new masters, as we were/are indentured to do so.


Did you ever read about the public debates of the American union people, at the local pubs, during the early 1900s about the central bank being forced on Americans? The American people were opposed to it. That is why the Federal Reserve Act had to be passed by Congress in the manner it was passed. I am not saying what you wrote is not correct; but it really doesn’t appear relevant to what is happening today. Like I said in my last post to you, it sounds a lot like the straw man theory, combined with some of the ucc laws. I have read about these bankruptcies years ago, and the perspective of agreeing to contracts unknowing. I personally think, unless one is studying this for a specific purpose, it is quite impractical in the real world, and for me that means it is a waste of time, especially considering how the monetary system is coming down. There appears to be true laws; and then laws that are made up to confuse the people. It is good to understand the difference.

Laws are dead things for dead people... not coincidentally, laws are even written in past or future tense (not in the NOW). This was the lesson of the transition from Old to New testament in the Bible. Contracts and trust are living things governed by living people.

What I have gleaned from the study of law -- law, as a dead contract, requires agreement to en-liven it. Agreement can be construed in any number of ways. Enforcement requires evidence and jurisdiction, neither of which can be explicitly proven, and still further requires agreement. Once you get passed that, Law (man's law) is nothing more than cubicles and revenue substantiated by man's own unwillingness to take responsibility for himself.

Learning specifically how we got into this mess, in my opinion, is absolute central to figuring out how to get out of it. Further, HOW we got into it then is no different than how we continue to get into it now. The fact that the public believed the central bank was being forced upon us has no relevance other than it's demonstration of how little the public knows and/or is told. They also believe the Patriot Act was forced upon us as a result of Muslim terrorists, not realizing of course that it made the use of gold and silver as payment in the public a federal offense. Yes, you can go to jail for paying with gold/silver currency.


About fifteen of twenty years ago, there were a lot of people playing with the ucc laws who challenged the governments and the courts, under these principles you seem to be bringing up, who ended up in jail. It is fine to study this but be careful thinking about putting it into practice…… that is if I understand you correctly; and I think I do. Lawyers love looking for loop holes. I love looking at the truth, and doing what is right. There are certain old sayings that bear remembering, and one of them is: " the more laws, the more corrupt the system". You are talking about a lot of twisted laws here.

I sense you want to pigeon-hole my responses with some previous experience you have had. I am aware of the 'Patriot Movement', which was largely combatant in nature and erroneous in philosophy. Their mistakes seem largely to have been with regard to 'right', man's law (dead law), the practice of the strawman theory (perfectly valid theory, however erroneously applied) and what they believed a dead piece of paper (Constitution) granted them. Very important work as it paved the road to many great avenues of research (to date). I appreciate your concern, however what does this have to do with anything? If there is something on the merits you would like to discuss in particular, let's do that instead of this. No offense intended.


You write that: “Money based on tangible assets is easily manipulated based on the supply of the set of resources it's based on.”

Well, that can be true to a degree, like when the hunt brothers cornered the silver market. However, I don’t believe in a debt based system, because it can be manipulated exponentially to infinity as we are seeing today; which is good for the rulers of the world, and very bad for the real producers of the world, ordinary people.

As far as you believing honesty being more valuable than gold, I believe that is true with friendship, but in practical trade, I believe that is wishful thinking. Perhaps you are unfamiliar or unrealistic concerning basic human nature? Human nature is not innocent by default. Do you not believe in the saying: “that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”? I think a gold based system helps keep people, who want to rule the world, more honest by taking away their opportunity to inflate money to infinity, and then manipulate fraudulent, financial instruments to their benefit, at the expense of everyday, hard working people. Exactly how many honest politicians have you met?

Do you really believe that the litmus test for human nature is the standard of measure implemented by the very powers you seem to abhor? Do you believe tearing down a few walls, only to replace them with walls seemingly more acceptable to your conditioned sensibilities is a solution? I can't see it that way my friend. Walls ARE the problem. And power doesn't corrupt. Fear corrupts. The less we love, the more fear we breed. Politicians are dishonest because they fear... perhaps more than anyone else. Based on the information we read every day, I think I can see why. :becky:

We don't have a money problem - that's just symbolic of a much deeper problem. We are scalp deep in a global identity crisis... we don't know who or what the hell we are! All most know deep down is that they lead an absolute pointless existence serving a thankless and thoughtless master, only to end up permanently dead in the end. From the purview of our standard channels of information, we're cold tits on a 3-legged boar. Devoid of anything greater than that which we can accumulate in a 2000sqft house. We are duped into believing we have no value! This state of being is no measure of human potential.

Let's not down play wishful thinking ;) We need a renaissance of wishful thinking forged with the will, resolve and spirit to move mountains. That's what this time in our history is about, if we can stomach the loss of our manufactured images. Human nature is precisely what we make of it - it is what we are right here and now.


Jonathan, I believe the bottom line is that the People have the last say, they just don’t know it. Have you ever heard of Jury Nullification? If you have then you will understand that no matter the law, or the agreement, brought to trial, the jury can both judge the facts and the law. So in reality, the people continue to hold all the power to overrule all bad law, or laws that they consider not right or fair. They just don’t know it. Jury Nullification has its roots deep in English law that the colonial Americans well understood, but which has been edited out of the modern American’s general body of knowledge.

We always have had it. The current money system is no different... in fact it's that way by design. You and I are the creators, yet we create for the few, not for the whole.



I believe it is more practical to study the core foundational philosophy of American law, that all other American law must be based on, rather then anything you have written in this post to me. If Americans understood American Law 101, then all the zillions of laws out there can be easily stripped of their power by the people.


Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/10/11

I'm sorry - I cannot not disagree more my friend. We need communities, not governments. Sovereign individuals support the integrity and trust of their communities by embodying the highest principles love and responsible service -- guiding by example of what to do, not who to blame. Sovereign communities support sovereign people. Trust.

Laws are the tools of governments and hierarchies -- presuming the sovereignty of a few over the many. We gotta let that go. Time for something different.

In my opinion, if you want to study the fostering of community - look to the American Indians prior to the introduction of our Laws. Communities built on living trust and understanding, kinship, freedom, and spiritual responsibility. Apply that to a modern context and we just might have something.

Thanks for reading.

[blake]

Hello Jonathan,

You are welcome. I enjoy reading other people’s perspectives and ideas. I am not an individual who looks for an argument, just a broader perspective; therefore, I try first to see where I agree with someone, and then go on from there. You touched on many points, from the philosophical to the mundane; and yes, I agree with you, we do hold very different points of view. And yet, there is also much I think we do agree on.

I think, and please correct me if I am wrong, that you believe in personal responsibility and in doing the right thing, You believe in small communities, such as the Indian tribes of old where there is value in everyone, and people work as a group to care and meet everyone’s needs. You believe that an individual can give up personal power to another, in trust that the other person will do what is in your best interest. You think there is great potential in human nature, and it is being blocked by today’s societal structure of hierarchies and man made laws. You believe in personal agreements, and contracts to be carried out on a person’s word. You want the community that you are part of to be based on “Trust”.

If the above is a correct interpretation of some of your remarks in your last post, than I agree that all that is good and wonderful.

You wrote that money is not the problem, that the issue is much deeper than that. I agree the problem of the world is not money; it is human nature. Specifically it is the power and greed mixed with the dual polarity of good and evil in us all which is the problem. However, money is the overt presenting symptom. America has homeless people, people who are losing their jobs, and their pensions. There are too many Americans not being able to afford a doctor, a lawyer, food or medicine, while being forced into making decisions, or taking action based on the capital (financial) control of their choices.

When someone slits their wrist to attempt suicide, the bleeding must be stopped, before anything else is considered. The medical people are not going to inquire immediately, “what happened in your childhood to force you to deal with stress, or whatever the cause was by this attempted suicide. Of course, getting to the root of the problem of why the individual slit their wrists is going to be necessary; but first, let’s stop the bleeding so the patient doesn’t die. We will get him into therapy later.

Observing people in their daily lives, both individuals, and groups, such as governments, the overt issue behind much of their issues, and decisions appear to be money, or a money related issue. So I conclude that the current presenting problem for humans is money. Money issues can be traced to many of the hard core reasons for why humans do what they do or don’t do. So, yes, it would be interesting to get into a philosophical/sociological/ psychological, or legal history discussion as to the real root cause of the world’s problems; but first we must stop the bleeding before the patient dies. I love a spiritual debate, but I am a practical individual. I take concrete action first. And from my studies, and observation, had Americans understood how their monetary system was changing over the past hundred years or even the past forty years, I am quite confident that the people, and not the international banksters, would hold more of their own personal wealth, and not be in the pickle they are in now. So the first step in stopping the patient from dying, in my opinion, is having every American understand how fiat money works, and how fractional banking works, and how these two man made entities are bleeding Americans and the world to death. I believe appropriate, basic monetary knowledge will stop the bleeding. Then maybe we can start looking at the deeper issues that allows a small group of people to want to rip off the masses. The right knowledge is power. I don’t see how people getting immersed with your perspective on supposedly long ago bankruptcies, supposedly indebting us to new “masters” will help people keep their homes, and their hard earned, or inherited wealth. Furthermore, it is difficult to follow your train of thought on these bankruptcies. I am hardly an expert on the matter; however, I have read about various bankruptcies concerning the USA. Such as tales, true or not, that we never won the American Revolution, and are still making cash payments to England. I don’t think that is true, but much has been written about it. You also write about international bankruptcies lasting seventy years. So I am confused as to what bankruptcy you are referring to? Was it when the Federal Reserve took over in 1913 or 1916, I can’t remember the exact date? But it has been more than seventy years since then? Or, are you referring to the time of the New Deal, when the nation supposedly went into receivership? But that too has been more than seventy years. Or are you talking about a different bankruptcy? When writing about theories, or understandings, it would be helpful if you were more specific so the reader doesn’t have to guess what you are referring to. Yet, even if you were to pinpoint what you were talking about, I would have to ask what practical application does it have in helping people avoid getting ripped off from the fraudulent monetary system of today? How does that type of information help stop the acute monetary bleeding that is happening as I write this? Plus, since I am not aware of your source, I have no grain of salt to maneuver to see if what you are saying is correct or not?

In my opinion, one of, if not the top scholars on the American monetary system is Dr. Edwin Vieira. He wrote a tome of a book called, “Pieces of Eight” Which is a very detailed book about the American Monetary system. He sat in the library of Congress pulling out old diaries, court records and decisions, and a host of other literature that no one ever looked for decades and perhaps centuries. And by doing so pulled together the most complete and accurate monetary history of this country ever done through first hand, deep research, of the original records. Dr. Vieira has a PhD. in Chemistry from Harvard University, and also got his law degree from Harvard University, specializing in Constitutional law. I have met the man several times over the past decade and am most impressed with him. He also wrote another book for the layman called, “Crash Maker, A Federal Affair. It contains similar material as “Pieces of Eight”, but in novel format making such intense material more palatable for the general reader in hopes that Americans can gain insight at how their monetary system is ripping them all off! Dr. Vieira has been sounding the monetary alarm for years now. I don’t hear too much form him any more. Perhaps he has given up sounding the alarm because what he warned was going to happen is now happening? Who are your sources?

You write that laws are dead thing for dead people; then why do you reference them so much and spend so much energy writing to me about them? In doing so, are you helping stop the monetary bleeding for anyone? The more laws our legislatures pass the more twisted and corrupt the government and people in power become. Simple and few laws make it easy for all people to both follow the law, and to observe any the fraud happening by those in charge, thereby stopping the fraud before the public is hurt by it. It would be a wonderful if all people were good and honest all of the time; but that is not the nature of humans. We all are subject to having different degrees of good and evil in us. Simple, just laws, help us all walk the straight and narrow, while spotting more easily those who are greedier and more power based than most of us. Even the bible provided laws to follow, in attempting, not to control us but to teach us how to interact with each other so that there could be more peace and respect among this diverse group of beings.

You write, “You can't design corruption out of a system because we're too slick for our own good!” I agree. The prologue to the Bill of Rights states that these rights were being added to the Constitution to put further “RESTRAINTS the GOVERNEMENT”. The founders tried to restrain corruption in the government, but it is an impossible task unless the PEOPLE watch the hen house. The Constitution is only a piece a paper. Unless Americans defend that piece of paper, and not close their eyes to it, while allowing Wall Street, Mega Corporations and the Banksters to help the Politian twist or ignore completely the meaning of the Constitution’s black and white wording, then, it and the People become powerless. In the end, it’s all about morality and civic responsibility. I am quire sure that the majority of Americans, both regular citizens and those who work in the government, including politicians, teachers, and the police, would flunk a test on both the United States Constitution, and their own individual state constitution. As a result of this lack of knowledge, and a lack of civic responsibility, the Constitution has not been used to protect the People’s basic rights, or the People’s money. We can blame the crooks, but in reality we must blame ourselves for allowing our ignorance and the passing of that ignorance onto our children. If Americans want to stop the bleeding, they need to understand Constitutional principles 101, and money 101. Other than that, in my opinion, you are just overwhelming people with teethless facts, and perspectives instead of giving people the information they need to help individuals extricate themselves from this financial massacre we all are experiencing today.


You appear to define money as what it was originally meant for, as a simple medium of exchange for goods and services; some people refer to it as an “energy exchange”. And wouldn’t it be a wonderful world if money was just that, instead of being used to control people? Wouldn’t it be wonderful if money could reflect an accurate value of our real work, instead of manipulating the value of our work, and assets, according to those who control the money supply? When you wrote, “He who requires more demonstrates the greatest lack,” I agree with you on that on several levels. But to keep it on a financial level, which this thread is about, that could describe people who live beyond their means, who will have to pay the piper one day: whether it is a new car, a bigger house, or an extra piece of pie that they require more of. Or, it could refer to those who waste much: be it food, time, money, friendships. In this case, the old saying “waste not, want not comes to mind. All those actions of wanting more, or wasting, does indeed, in my opinion, make people weaker because eventually they will lack life’s basic necessities, including health, by over eating.
You write that you don’t believe in evil; and that instead, you have narrowed down people’s actions of good and evil down to “service to self” or “service to others,”. I understand those are popular buzz words, but I think they are very deceiving; and contributes to the dumbing of America by limiting people’s choice of language to more accurately describe an action. For example, I think it is okay to be “of service to self” as long as it is balanced out with “service to others”. I believe it is okay to be selfish once in a while. I believe sometimes being selfish helps me be a stronger and more loving person. Have you ever seen a young parent loose their temper, and get short with their children? Usually it is because these parents have not had a minute to themselves, and are emotionally drained, and physically exhausted. How can an emotionally drained, and physically exhausted parent keep an even temper with needy children? Sometimes, with this modern crazy schedule that society imposes on them, they haven’t had a minute to themselves in a year or more. So if Mom or Dad decides to take a few hours to themselves, and be “selfish” enough to meet their own needs, then those parents are going to be charged up to respond better to their children. Parents, especially mothers, need regular mini vacations from their children for simple mental health. So when a Mom or Dad takes a time off to read, take a bath, go to the movies, or have friends over, and be totally selfish for some of the time in order to take care of THEIR OWN NEEDS, do you consider that “service to self?
It is difficult to have a meaningful conversation when words aren’t defined, as any good lawyer knows! How does “service to self” go along with the “say no” movement? I believe it is healthy to sometimes say: “No, I can’t help you today just because I need time away from people, or I need to tend my own garden.” In order to achieve balance, I believe, you first must make yourself strong, not by stepping all over people, but by focusing on your needs first. Then, by making yourself stronger, you probably will have a better balance in your life; then you will be in a stronger position, not only to focus on, but actually meet the needs of your family in a healthy way.
And what about the meaning of “service to others” when I am only willing to give ten percent, and maybe sometimes a little more if necessary, of my time, energy, talents, and money to my communities; while keeping the lions share of what I work hard for, including my time and my talents for myself. If I was totally “service to others”, than I would be giving all of me to others, and that sound cult like, which, I believe is destructive. So how do you define “service to self” and “service to others”? Language is so rich, why limit it? Is limiting language not that a form of control?
You write you do not believe in evil. I do. I see the results of it everyday when the poverty level in America rises; and good, hard working people are forced into tent cities, while America has thousands and thousands of empty houses.
I define evil as being purposely destructive. An animal may kill for food, but that is not evil. Nor is it evil for a human to hunt for food that their family needs. But I believe road kill, or to torture any animal or any human, especially for one’s amusement is beyond sick, it is pure evil. A serial killer, who loves to torture people to death, is evil. People who get pleasure in destroying what is of bond a fide value to another, is evil. So, I have to ask, would you describe, tossing a puppy dog off a cliff, to its death, for simple amusement, as just, “service to self? If you do, I think you are contributing to people wearing blinders by not seeing the broader picture of the continuum of evil that exists in humans. How about the burning of humans in concentration camps? Is that also labeled “service to self? Language is a beautiful thing, It helps us defines the various shades and hues in more detail, to help us better understand another’s perspective, or what actually is happening. Do you really want to limit the vast array of the continuum of descriptive language to, either or? Doesn’t that appear to be just one more way to control the average person’s perception of what is really is going on, perhaps a more subtle version, but still a very damaging version of mind control? Is such narrow use of language inhibiting people ability to think for themselves? I believe people would be wise to stay away from “buzz words” such as “service to self”, and “service to others”, but that is just my humble opinion.
You write, “only real power is that which is living, can create, heals, loves and forgives - all with no expectation of return.” Well, I say, play with evil, and there will a high expectation of a return to pay in blood. Borrow from the bank, and they will attempt to get you in perpetual debt. There is “loving power”, but there is also “evil power”. If there were only “loving power,” then why are there so many homeless people, and people without adequate food or medicine ? I believe in the” power of love”, but I wonder why humans don’t choose it as their every day expression of power? If the “power of love” makes the world go around, why are we in a state of perpetual war? Evil perpetuates its power by collecting all the marbles, all the money, all the assets, and all the positions of control. That makes its easy to control the masses. Everyone needs food and water to live, so why are the “power that be” trying to control…. the food and water supply? Why are there people who want to control our time, our thoughts, our work, our knowledge, our money, and our children? Why do they want to control the media? Is all this control, based on the “power of love?” If not, what power is it based on?
Now Obama wants to give censored free wireless to the country. You can all have free wireless internet, as long as you accept the censoring of certain broadcasts like perhaps Alex Jones, or even Project Avalon. Is that the “power of love” that you are talking about, Jonathan? Will chipping us, so we can buy food or get water, is that an example of the “power of love” When you deprive someone of something they need to stay alive, is that not the same as murder? I believe in the power of love but so far, in my opinion, it looks like the People have allowed the “power of evil” to rule their lives.
One of our members in a post yesterday wrote something like: just get in the habit of doing a stranger a favor everyday, just out of habit, whatever you can reasonably do. I took it to means like doing random acts of kindness. And that is something I strive to do, not just for strangers but for those I love as well. But I don’t see too many people doing that. To me that is an example of the power of love. The reality is, there is enough fiat money floating around to provide every American with a decent, safe and beautiful home. There is no financial reason why anyone should be losing their home, or be homeless in this country. But those with the old money off deep vaults, and long lineage aren’t doing very much about it. Ever ask yourself why? There need not be scarcity. However, the old money lords engineer scarcity daily, beginning with the basic needs of the masses, simply to have power over the masses. And how loving is that, Jonathan?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/13/11

[Jonathon]

Hello Mr. Davis. Wanted to jump in real quick to thank you for your response. Much to respond to and I will in good time. Probably won't get it all out today, however should have it done in a few days or less. This response is going to take me a while.

[blake]

Hello Mr. Davis. Wanted to jump in real quick to thank you for your response. Much to respond to and I will in good time. Probably won't get it all out today, however should have it done in a few days or less. This response is going to take me a while.

Hello Jonathan,

Looking forward to your response, but I think we should both challnege ourselves to give much shorter responses.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/13/11

[Jonathon]

Hello Jonathan,

Looking forward to your response, but I think we should both challnege ourselves to give much shorter responses.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/13/11

That's going to be harder than you know LOL =)

[Calz]

Hello Jonathan,

Looking forward to your response, but I think we should both challnege ourselves to give much shorter responses.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/13/11

That's going to be harder than you know LOL =)

There are some well thought out posts here :)

Mine is simple, short and sweet ... in fact so short I will link to another thread for 2 interesting articals regarding the IMF, China and world reserve currency.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12737-Connections-Benjamin-Fulford-China-Iraqi-Dinar-revaluation-Banking-Cartel-end&p=136952#post136952

[Jonathon]

Hello Jonathan,

You are welcome. I enjoy reading other people’s perspectives and ideas. I am not an individual who looks for an argument, just a broader perspective; therefore, I try first to see where I agree with someone, and then go on from there. You touched on many points, from the philosophical to the mundane; and yes, I agree with you, we do hold very different points of view. And yet, there is also much I think we do agree on.

I think, and please correct me if I am wrong, that you believe in personal responsibility and in doing the right thing, You believe in small communities, such as the Indian tribes of old where there is value in everyone, and people work as a group to care and meet everyone’s needs. You believe that an individual can give up personal power to another, in trust that the other person will do what is in your best interest. You think there is great potential in human nature, and it is being blocked by today’s societal structure of hierarchies and man made laws. You believe in personal agreements, and contracts to be carried out on a person’s word. You want the community that you are part of to be based on “Trust”.

If the above is a correct interpretation of some of your remarks in your last post, than I agree that all that is good and wonderful.

My apologies for being mundane =P

I do absolutely believe in personal responsibility. That’s the very keystone of any sustainable civilization. Yet, look at how difficult that has become. That’s the definitive piece of evidence that we are in for big trouble. Deferral of responsibility for health to doctors, relationships to lawyers and law enforcement, communities to fences and laws, nations to governments, nutrition to convenience peddlers etc. All in exchange for green bills so that we can sweep it all under the rug or leave it for someone else to do. Well, someone else did it alright. The silver lining may be the shedding of the old system… time will tell.

I don’t believe anyone ever has to give up personal power to another (see 1st paragraph). People have to empower one another in living relationship. Trust is like faith – it doesn’t sit around waiting for another day. Faith lives, breathes and participates. Trust is active, not passive by my definition. And yes, I believe when an individual or group of individuals lose their identity, all else is soon to be lost. Sitting ducks comes to mind. It would be hard to deny that this isn’t the very reason why, once we successfully topple a country (EG: Iraq), the first thing we do is destroy the culture and any evidence of it (past and present).


You wrote that money is not the problem, that the issue is much deeper than that. I agree the problem of the world is not money; it is human nature. Specifically it is the power and greed mixed with the dual polarity of good and evil in us all which is the problem. However, money is the overt presenting symptom. America has homeless people, people who are losing their jobs, and their pensions. There are too many Americans not being able to afford a doctor, a lawyer, food or medicine, while being forced into making decisions, or taking action based on the capital (financial) control of their choices.

When someone slits their wrist to attempt suicide, the bleeding must be stopped, before anything else is considered. The medical people are not going to inquire immediately, “what happened in your childhood to force you to deal with stress, or whatever the cause was by this attempted suicide. Of course, getting to the root of the problem of why the individual slit their wrists is going to be necessary; but first, let’s stop the bleeding so the patient doesn’t die. We will get him into therapy later.

Observing people in their daily lives, both individuals, and groups, such as governments, the overt issue behind much of their issues, and decisions appear to be money, or a money related issue. So I conclude that the current presenting problem for humans is money. Money issues can be traced to many of the hard core reasons for why humans do what they do or don’t do. So, yes, it would be interesting to get into a philosophical/sociological/ psychological, or legal history discussion as to the real root cause of the world’s problems; but first we must stop the bleeding before the patient dies. I love a spiritual debate, but I am a practical individual. I take concrete action first. And from my studies, and observation, had Americans understood how their monetary system was changing over the past hundred years or even the past forty years, I am quite confident that the people, and not the international banksters, would hold more of their own personal wealth, and not be in the pickle they are in now. So the first step in stopping the patient from dying, in my opinion, is having every American understand how fiat money works, and how fractional banking works, and how these two man made entities are bleeding Americans and the world to death. I believe appropriate, basic monetary knowledge will stop the bleeding. Then maybe we can start looking at the deeper issues that allows a small group of people to want to rip off the masses. The right knowledge is power. I don’t see how people getting immersed with your perspective on supposedly long ago bankruptcies, supposedly indebting us to new “masters” will help people keep their homes, and their hard earned, or inherited wealth. Furthermore, it is difficult to follow your train of thought on these bankruptcies. I am hardly an expert on the matter; however, I have read about various bankruptcies concerning the USA. Such as tales, true or not, that we never won the American Revolution, and are still making cash payments to England. I don’t think that is true, but much has been written about it. You also write about international bankruptcies lasting seventy years. So I am confused as to what bankruptcy you are referring to? Was it when the Federal Reserve took over in 1913 or 1916, I can’t remember the exact date? But it has been more than seventy years since then? Or, are you referring to the time of the New Deal, when the nation supposedly went into receivership? But that too has been more than seventy years. Or are you talking about a different bankruptcy? When writing about theories, or understandings, it would be helpful if you were more specific so the reader doesn’t have to guess what you are referring to. Yet, even if you were to pinpoint what you were talking about, I would have to ask what practical application does it have in helping people avoid getting ripped off from the fraudulent monetary system of today? How does that type of information help stop the acute monetary bleeding that is happening as I write this? Plus, since I am not aware of your source, I have no grain of salt to maneuver to see if what you are saying is correct or not?

You made a request to attempt to shorten responses, so I will do my best here. Do you believe that people who smoke are unaware that it is bad for them and likely to kill them? Do you believe that the epidemic of obesity in the US is due to lack of knowledge that fast food and soda is bad for them? That sitting for 6 hours per day in front of the TV instead of going for a 20-minute walk is due to some knowledge deficit? I deal with answers to these kinds of questions every day. You know what the answer really is? People DO know, but they REFUSE responsibility. They literally believe that these things make life worth living and would rather die a horrible death than to be without them or even to decrease the activity by some small amount. The only explanation I have ever been able to come up with for this ‘psychosis’ (if you will) is chronic self-loathing… they are self-medicating. Why do people self-medicate? They are in pain. Why? They are lost at sea. They have no identity. They don’t know who and what they are at any level deeper than the paradigm they see, which they have absolutely no stake in. From a financial stand point it is no different – people running up credit cards they refuse to pay off, buying cars and homes they cannot afford and any other form of chronic material gratification. Why??? There is a hole they cannot fill. They know something is wrong. When the answer isn’t apparent, they turn the finger toward themselves. This is why money isn’t the problem. Have you ever read about the many lotto winners whose lives were completely ruined? Movie stars, rock stars etc and so on. They found out real quick that money wasn’t the problem once they got a pile of it. I’m sure they were happy for a while… before they turned on themselves. Why? My opinion: lack of identity leading to disempowerment, self-loathing and the eventual turn-in on the self. In my opinion, THAT is the bleeding and no amount of financial education is going to fix it. Further I think it’s a mistake to separate the spiritual from the physical… and could be where we’ve gone wrong from the get go. As within, so without. No amount of money or fiscal management can fix a lost soul. We can’t externalize this problem because we will end up right back where we started. Change comes from within. Intrinsic motivation. I’ve never seen it work any other way – ever!

Briefly… the point of the Bankruptcy education is to point out that we are on a ‘Money of Account’ system. A system based on obligation. A system based on trust where the grantor is each individual contracted into the system. Grantor has the power in the trust to assign positions. There are two trusts – a public one and a private one. You are trustee of both and also one of the beneficiaries. As trustee you can set-off public debt from the private trust and no other has paramount security interest in whatever property exists under the individual’s trust. If you want a quick fix, that’s your answer. Set-off the debt. You created it and have full authority over it. The rest is academic.


In my opinion, one of, if not the top scholars on the American monetary system is Dr. Edwin Vieira. He wrote a tome of a book called, “Pieces of Eight” Which is a very detailed book about the American Monetary system. He sat in the library of Congress pulling out old diaries, court records and decisions, and a host of other literature that no one ever looked for decades and perhaps centuries. And by doing so pulled together the most complete and accurate monetary history of this country ever done through first hand, deep research, of the original records. Dr. Vieira has a PhD. in Chemistry from Harvard University, and also got his law degree from Harvard University, specializing in Constitutional law. I have met the man several times over the past decade and am most impressed with him. He also wrote another book for the layman called, “Crash Maker, A Federal Affair. It contains similar material as “Pieces of Eight”, but in novel format making such intense material more palatable for the general reader in hopes that Americans can gain insight at how their monetary system is ripping them all off! Dr. Vieira has been sounding the monetary alarm for years now. I don’t hear too much form him any more. Perhaps he has given up sounding the alarm because what he warned was going to happen is now happening? Who are your sources?

Having a hard time following you here. Are you saying Vieira is you philosophical foundation? If so, why? I’m not familiar with him so not sure where to go with this. My sources are many. Once you learn to read the Bible on commercial terms, the rest gets pretty easy. Really changes your perception. Our system of commerce is fully based on it. Creditorsincommerce.com – audio section is also a good resource. I’ve also logged a good deal of dream guidance on various issues. Lots of materials out there: books, manuscripts, Youtubes, case law, etc provide incredible information once you have the eyes to see them in their proper context.


You write that laws are dead thing for dead people; then why do you reference them so much and spend so much energy writing to me about them? In doing so, are you helping stop the monetary bleeding for anyone? The more laws our legislatures pass the more twisted and corrupt the government and people in power become. Simple and few laws make it easy for all people to both follow the law, and to observe any the fraud happening by those in charge, thereby stopping the fraud before the public is hurt by it. It would be a wonderful if all people were good and honest all of the time; but that is not the nature of humans. We all are subject to having different degrees of good and evil in us. Simple, just laws, help us all walk the straight and narrow, while spotting more easily those who are greedier and more power based than most of us. Even the bible provided laws to follow, in attempting, not to control us but to teach us how to interact with each other so that there could be more peace and respect among this diverse group of beings.

I looked back over everything I have posted in this thread and I see no references to Law other than generally. Laws are dead because they are not living agreements between parties of interest. People have no stake in them. Laws are made to be broken because laws are designed to control, not to promote understanding. Freedom is inherent to human nature, therefore Laws will never work universally. My children taught me that. Trust is living agreement and all parties have a stake. The bible teaches the transcendence of dead law (Do As I Say: Torah) to the living law (Do As I Do: Christ consciousness).


You write, “You can't design corruption out of a system because we're too slick for our own good!” I agree. The prologue to the Bill of Rights states that these rights were being added to the Constitution to put further “RESTRAINTS the GOVERNEMENT”. The founders tried to restrain corruption in the government, but it is an impossible task unless the PEOPLE watch the hen house. The Constitution is only a piece a paper. Unless Americans defend that piece of paper, and not close their eyes to it, while allowing Wall Street, Mega Corporations and the Banksters to help the Politian twist or ignore completely the meaning of the Constitution’s black and white wording, then, it and the People become powerless. In the end, it’s all about morality and civic responsibility. I am quire sure that the majority of Americans, both regular citizens and those who work in the government, including politicians, teachers, and the police, would flunk a test on both the United States Constitution, and their own individual state constitution. As a result of this lack of knowledge, and a lack of civic responsibility, the Constitution has not been used to protect the People’s basic rights, or the People’s money. We can blame the crooks, but in reality we must blame ourselves for allowing our ignorance and the passing of that ignorance onto our children. If Americans want to stop the bleeding, they need to understand Constitutional principles 101, and money 101. Other than that, in my opinion, you are just overwhelming people with teethless facts, and perspectives instead of giving people the information they need to help individuals extricate themselves from this financial massacre we all are experiencing today.

Wow. Teethless? You apparently have no idea where this trail leads my friend. Get acquainted with the Administrative Procedures Act, understand Trust law and Contract, know who you are within the system and you’ll have a set of teeth that would make Godzilla look like Mr. Ed. Constitution 101 and money 101? How do you plan to enforce that knowledge? Compliance? Picket signs? Don’t you know that you opted out of Constitutional protection when you became a corporate fiction? It’s not even the same jurisdiction. Is personal taxation Constitutional? No. Is it unconstitutional? Technically, yes. Are you being taxed anyway? Yes. Illegally? No. Why not? I’ll let you follow that one. Didn’t I read recently that the Supreme Court is basically throwing the Constitution out?
Jan 24, 2011: “The U.S. Supreme Court issued a landmark decision that serves to allow judges to void the Constitution in their courtrooms”.

Did they do this illegally or in fraud? No! In their own colorable way, they are trying to tell you something. If you don’t get the fact that you are contracted into a bankrupt system, you’ll miss everything. How exactly does belief that some piece of paper grants you protection and rights actually offer you protection and rights? It doesn’t! It’s dead! Only you can do that! You can recite it to your hearts content and they will say “thank you for the lesson, sit down and shut up.” You just got an offer. What do you do now? If you don’t know who you are you just might argue, complain, or actually take the order and sit down. By design!!! So if conventional knowledge reinforces your conditioning, how do you expect it to bear fruit?

The terms ‘Morality and civic responsibility’ sound like hot-words used to compel performance (AKA propaganda). I think I can recall war flyers with that kind of language. I can certainly recall many of those ‘population control’ films from the 40’s and 50’s with those terms. Oh yes, and post 9/11. I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way, however, that’s my experience with that kind of language. So the question is, whose morality? Civic responsibility is a two-way street – a trust.



You appear to define money as what it was originally meant for, as a simple medium of exchange for goods and services; some people refer to it as an “energy exchange”. And wouldn’t it be a wonderful world if money was just that, instead of being used to control people? Wouldn’t it be wonderful if money could reflect an accurate value of our real work, instead of manipulating the value of our work, and assets, according to those who control the money supply? When you wrote, “He who requires more demonstrates the greatest lack,” I agree with you on that on several levels. But to keep it on a financial level, which this thread is about, that could describe people who live beyond their means, who will have to pay the piper one day: whether it is a new car, a bigger house, or an extra piece of pie that they require more of. Or, it could refer to those who waste much: be it food, time, money, friendships. In this case, the old saying “waste not, want not comes to mind. All those actions of wanting more, or wasting, does indeed, in my opinion, make people weaker because eventually they will lack life’s basic necessities, including health, by over eating.

Yes, I see where you are going with this and agree with your intention, however like I mentioned in a previous response, I don’t see money as a means of control. It’s people’s sense of lack and fragmentation that moves them to empower another over them… hence allowing themselves to be controlled. As before, I point to identity. Fragmented identity. A neurosis of sensing oneself as alone on an island with the ever present sense of death and loss around the corner… the compulsion to protect/defend the fragmented self. AKA buying into the physical illusion.


You write that you don’t believe in evil; and that instead, you have narrowed down people’s actions of good and evil down to “service to self” or “service to others,”. I understand those are popular buzz words, but I think they are very deceiving; and contributes to the dumbing of America by limiting people’s choice of language to more accurately describe an action. For example, I think it is okay to be “of service to self” as long as it is balanced out with “service to others”. I believe it is okay to be selfish once in a while. I believe sometimes being selfish helps me be a stronger and more loving person. Have you ever seen a young parent loose their temper, and get short with their children? Usually it is because these parents have not had a minute to themselves, and are emotionally drained, and physically exhausted. How can an emotionally drained, and physically exhausted parent keep an even temper with needy children? Sometimes, with this modern crazy schedule that society imposes on them, they haven’t had a minute to themselves in a year or more. So if Mom or Dad decides to take a few hours to themselves, and be “selfish” enough to meet their own needs, then those parents are going to be charged up to respond better to their children. Parents, especially mothers, need regular mini vacations from their children for simple mental health. So when a Mom or Dad takes a time off to read, take a bath, go to the movies, or have friends over, and be totally selfish for some of the time in order to take care of THEIR OWN NEEDS, do you consider that “service to self?
It is difficult to have a meaningful conversation when words aren’t defined, as any good lawyer knows! How does “service to self” go along with the “say no” movement? I believe it is healthy to sometimes say: “No, I can’t help you today just because I need time away from people, or I need to tend my own garden.” In order to achieve balance, I believe, you first must make yourself strong, not by stepping all over people, but by focusing on your needs first. Then, by making yourself stronger, you probably will have a better balance in your life; then you will be in a stronger position, not only to focus on, but actually meet the needs of your family in a healthy way.
And what about the meaning of “service to others” when I am only willing to give ten percent, and maybe sometimes a little more if necessary, of my time, energy, talents, and money to my communities; while keeping the lions share of what I work hard for, including my time and my talents for myself. If I was totally “service to others”, than I would be giving all of me to others, and that sound cult like, which, I believe is destructive. So how do you define “service to self” and “service to others”? Language is so rich, why limit it? Is limiting language not that a form of control?
You write you do not believe in evil. I do. I see the results of it everyday when the poverty level in America rises; and good, hard working people are forced into tent cities, while America has thousands and thousands of empty houses.
I define evil as being purposely destructive. An animal may kill for food, but that is not evil. Nor is it evil for a human to hunt for food that their family needs. But I believe road kill, or to torture any animal or any human, especially for one’s amusement is beyond sick, it is pure evil. A serial killer, who loves to torture people to death, is evil. People who get pleasure in destroying what is of bond a fide value to another, is evil. So, I have to ask, would you describe, tossing a puppy dog off a cliff, to its death, for simple amusement, as just, “service to self? If you do, I think you are contributing to people wearing blinders by not seeing the broader picture of the continuum of evil that exists in humans. How about the burning of humans in concentration camps? Is that also labeled “service to self? Language is a beautiful thing, It helps us defines the various shades and hues in more detail, to help us better understand another’s perspective, or what actually is happening. Do you really want to limit the vast array of the continuum of descriptive language to, either or? Doesn’t that appear to be just one more way to control the average person’s perception of what is really is going on, perhaps a more subtle version, but still a very damaging version of mind control? Is such narrow use of language inhibiting people ability to think for themselves? I believe people would be wise to stay away from “buzz words” such as “service to self”, and “service to others”, but that is just my humble opinion.

So ‘good and evil’ don’t contribute to the dumbing down of the masses? Good and evil makes a distinction… 2 things: us and them. You don’t see the problem there? I’ll clarify my own feeling here – there is a single, unified, original source. Creator or God, if you like. That source is One. All things of the One are One. There is only one of us here. Distinction is distortion. All paths lead to One. He who serves the self, serves the one. He who serves others, serves the one. There can be no other way. Service to self and service to others are diametric energies existing in a dynamic balance determined by the focus and intention of the host. It was not my intention to convey that you are one or the other - each individual may align as they see fit. All is choice. Good and Evil are contextual – man’s interpretation of the energies within the context of his own distortions/illusions. Tossing a pit-bull puppy off a cliff who just disfigured an innocent child might fit someone’s definition of justice and good service, however each individual present, from the child, the ‘hero’, the dog’s owner etc will bring a different set of experiences and contexts into the situation. All will likely see and use the catalyst differently. Who is evil? Who is good? What would dog eaters think (eeew I know)? Depends on the shoes. Good and Evil are divisive barriers to greater understanding – separation consciousness.


You write, “only real power is that which is living, can create, heals, loves and forgives - all with no expectation of return.” Well, I say, play with evil, and there will a high expectation of a return to pay in blood. Borrow from the bank, and they will attempt to get you in perpetual debt. There is “loving power”, but there is also “evil power”. If there were only “loving power,” then why are there so many homeless people, and people without adequate food or medicine ? I believe in the” power of love”, but I wonder why humans don’t choose it as their every day expression of power? If the “power of love” makes the world go around, why are we in a state of perpetual war? Evil perpetuates its power by collecting all the marbles, all the money, all the assets, and all the positions of control. That makes its easy to control the masses. Everyone needs food and water to live, so why are the “power that be” trying to control…. the food and water supply? Why are there people who want to control our time, our thoughts, our work, our knowledge, our money, and our children? Why do they want to control the media? Is all this control, based on the “power of love?” If not, what power is it based on?
Now Obama wants to give censored free wireless to the country. You can all have free wireless internet, as long as you accept the censoring of certain broadcasts like perhaps Alex Jones, or even Project Avalon. Is that the “power of love” that you are talking about, Jonathan? Will chipping us, so we can buy food or get water, is that an example of the “power of love” When you deprive someone of something they need to stay alive, is that not the same as murder? I believe in the power of love but so far, in my opinion, it looks like the People have allowed the “power of evil” to rule their lives.
One of our members in a post yesterday wrote something like: just get in the habit of doing a stranger a favor everyday, just out of habit, whatever you can reasonably do. I took it to means like doing random acts of kindness. And that is something I strive to do, not just for strangers but for those I love as well. But I don’t see too many people doing that. To me that is an example of the power of love. The reality is, there is enough fiat money floating around to provide every American with a decent, safe and beautiful home. There is no financial reason why anyone should be losing their home, or be homeless in this country. But those with the old money off deep vaults, and long lineage aren’t doing very much about it. Ever ask yourself why? There need not be scarcity. However, the old money lords engineer scarcity daily, beginning with the basic needs of the masses, simply to have power over the masses. And how loving is that, Jonathan?

Borrow from the bank? You don’t borrow from the bank, they borrow from you. You are the energy. The bank is a dead thing – dead things cannot create anything. Of course there is enough fiat to give everyone a house… but then what? Our economy is based on ‘what the market will bear’. You give everyone a house, car, free groceries for a year and gas will then cost $76.95 a gallon. Why? Because you can now afford it without a house and car payment. That doesn’t solve anything. There is no scarcity of money – like I said, it’s an abundance-based system. The scarcity is that of understanding. You are the creator. You are not a victim.

Who am I to say why people choose what they choose? I assume on some level, they choose what they need to experience. On the other hand, people cannot choose what they cannot see. Is it our job to correct that? Sometimes, yes it is – when called upon to do so. I’m on the front line of that and it’s not a pretty show, generally. Resisting it emboldens it. Working with it is the key.

What exactly do you think you would accomplish by incarnating in a paradise? Do you think you are here by accident or choice? Know that you are loved, because behind everything that’s all there is. It’s what you are. Perhaps you fail to see it outside of yourself because you don’t see it within. That’s part of the condition we came here to experience. When we see only love, it will be time to go somewhere else. More work to do for all of us it appears ;)


Edit: Mr Davis after re-reading this post a day later, it seems it could come across as somewhat obtuse or cross. I did not intend it that way - I was attempting to be as short (in length) as possible. I cut the humble version down to the brass tacks version heehe :o. My apologies if you receive it in this way. No disrespect intended.

[blake]

Hello All,

MERS is importart to watch. If you are being foreclosed on you might consider seeing what Bankruptcy Lawyers has to say about this. At the very least ask the bank, or whoever is foreclosing on you for a copy of the "original promissory note" for the loan, not a copy! they don't count) but the one with you actual signature, which is referred to as the "WET" signature. Your lawyer might explain to you that without having it in their possession, the bank legally doesn't have the authority to forclose. And since they sell and resell mortages and have gottem greedy and lazy, many times it can't be produced and with MERS involved there are so many illegal and fraudelent factors that could be on your side of helping you keep your house. I just came across this article today on David Ickes's site of all places! But if you type in "MERS" there is quite a bit on it and worth checking it out.

Judge Finds MERS Has No Right To Transfer Mortgages, Finds Entire MERS Process Illegal
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/14/2011 15:31 -0500

RealitySCOTUS


There was a time when news, especially very bad news, moved stocks. The last time that occurred was in the middle of 2009, before most robots had any idea just how massive the chairsatan's schizoid break with reality was. Now, that the appropriate sociopathology is fully priced in, bad news tends to have an even more profound upside impact on stocks than good news, as it guarantees that the Zimbabwe stock market will be upon us far sooner than if the economy were to have to go through another inter-QE episode. Which is why the just released news out of US Bankruptcy Judge Robert Grossman of Central Islip, New York, that MERS lacks rights to transfer mortgages will likely send the entire S&P circuit breaker up.

From Bloomberg:

“Merscorp Inc., operator of the electronic-registration system that contains about half of all U.S. home mortgages, has no right to transfer the mortgages under its membership rules, a judge said...U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert E. Grossman in Central Islip, New York, in a decision he said he knew would have a “significant impact,” wrote that the membership rules of the company’s Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, or MERS, don’t make it an agent of the banks that own the mortgages..."

“MERS’s theory that it can act as a ‘common agent’ for undisclosed principals is not supported by the law,” Grossman wrote in a Feb. 10 opinion. “MERS did not have authority, as ‘nominee’ or agent, to assign the mortgage absent a showing that it was given specific written directions by its principal.”

“MERS and its partners made the decision to create and operate under a business model that was designed in large part to avoid the requirements of the traditional mortgage-recording process,” Grossman wrote. “The court does not accept the argument that because MERS may be involved with 50 percent of all residential mortgages in the country, that is reason enough for this court to turn a blind eye to the fact that this process does not comply with the law.

“An adverse ruling regarding MERS’s authority to assign mortgages or act on behalf of its member/lenders could have a significant impact on MERS and upon the lenders which do business with MERS throughout the United States,” Grossman wrote. “It is up to the legislative branch, if it chooses, to amend the current statutes to confer upon MERS the requisite authority to assign mortgages under its current business practices.”

“Without more, this court finds that MERS’s ‘nominee’ status and the rights bestowed upon MERS within the mortgage itself, are insufficient to empower MERS to effectuate a valid assignment of mortgage,” the judge wrote. “MERS’s position that it can be both the mortgagee and an agent of the mortgagee is absurd, at best.”

And with MERS now found to be a fraud, we expect MERS Commercial authority to be likewise eliminated. Which means that the entire US mortgage market, both residential and commercial, is a lie, and built on fraudulent foundations, and that every single MERS-mediated transaction will likely have to be unwound.

In reality what will happen, is that the Banker lobby will have to purchase a few more Appelate Judges, and in the worst case, a SCOTUS dude here and there, appeal the ruling to death, and end up victorious. After all, it is only taxpayer money.

BTFD.

[K626]

Better still wire the doorbell upto the mains. Yowza! :couch2:

cheers

K

[brotybro]

Wrong spot I'm sure.

Has anyone posted anything on this on the forum?

I tried searching for it. Couldn't find anything, so I will post a link.

"Foreign hacKers attack Canadian government".

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2011/02/16/pol-weston-hacking.html

[blake]

Wrong spot I'm sure.

Has anyone posted anything on this on the forum?

I tried searching for it. Couldn't find anything, so I will post a link.

"Foreign hacers attack Canadian government".

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2011/02/16/pol-weston-hacking.html

Hello brotybro

Right Forum! Thanks for posting it.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/17/11

[blake]

Hello Jonahan,

I am so sorry, I haven't replied yet to your last post. I am just in a time lock with deadlines; and the correspondences continue to plie up! But I saw this on Rense and thought of you. I understand it is not all you write about, but it is about the strawman, and I thought you would appreciate it. I will rspond as soon.
Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/17/11
The Cat Is Out Of The Bagin Front Page

Roger Hayes
This article is a continuation of the non-payment of council tax saga... now in its 3rd year.

The story so far: The council have demanded council tax from me, which I have refused to pay for 3 years - on the grounds that there is no lawfully enforceable contract between me (Roger Hayes) and the council. The council is refusing to provide me with a lawful contract because they think they have the right to demand that I pay council tax... which they do not. I am happy to pay my council tax – but only when the Council has agreed to provide me with a lawful contract... this is my right. The benefit of a contract is that it makes the council agree terms and conditions with me and prevents them acting in an arbitrary fashion i.e. it brings power back to the people.

The fact is that the council has no right to demand council tax from me (Roger Hayes) - but they DO have the right to demand it from the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES... but that isn’t me. If readers are not familiar with the legal fiction – please refer to previous articles or the UK Column web site www.ukcolumn.org.

On the 11th January 2011 in the county court of Birkenhead, in front of witnesses, the court conceded to the right of Roger Hayes to act as ‘third party representative’ for MR ROGER HAYES. In essence the court agreed that they they were two entirely separate entities. This is an extraordinary development to put it very mildly.

The court did not however concede without putting up a very vigorous fight... this is how events unfolded in the court room.

Judge: Can we first find out who is in the court... is MR ROGER HAYES in the court?

Me: Sir, I am third party representative for MR ROGER HAYES.

Judge: Are you MR ROGER HAYES?

Me: No sir, I am the third party representative for MR ROGER HAYES... you may address me as Roger.

Judge: I will not address you as Roger, I will call you MR HAYES

Me: Sir, I am not MR HAYES, the court is required to address me as I request and I request that you address me as Roger. (NOTE – court protocol dictates that a defendant or respondent can be addressed the way they choose – the Judge then referred to me as ‘the gentleman’ but avoided referring to meas MR HAYES).

Judge: If you are not MR ROGER HAYES then I will take note that MR ROGER HAYES is not represented in court.

Me: In that case sir, you will have to also note that the council is not represented in court.

(NOTE. This would mean that the case would have to be dismissed, finding for the defendant, because the plaintiff had not appeared)

Judge: I can see that that the council has representation in the court.

Me: Then you will have to acknowledge that MR ROGER HAYES has representation in the court. We are all equal in the eyes of the law... if council has third party representation then so does MR ROGER HAYES. The council is a corporation and so is MR ROGER HAYES.

Judge: MR ROGER HAYES is not a corporation.

Me: Yes it is.

Judge: No it isn’t, it is a PERSON.

Me: A PERSON is a corporation.

Judge No it isn’t.

Me: Define person.

Judge: I don’t have to.

Me: Then let me do it for you sir. A PERSON is a corporation (NOTE: This is defined in a law dictionary) Sir, are you familiar with the Cestui Que Vie Act of 1666?

Judge: I am familiar with many laws.

Me: Sir, I asked if you were familiar with the Cestui Que Vie Act of 1666, if you are not Sir, then with respect you are not competent to judge in this matter and that gives rise to a claim of denial of due process.

Judge: Let’s hear from the council.

Me: Sir we can only move on to the council’s presentation when the court has confirmed that MR ROGER HAYES is represented in court.

Judge: Fine.

And the case continued.... with me (Roger Hayes) acting as third party representative for the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES and with the judge eventually telling the council to go away and prove its case. The Judge was obviously very keen to avoid a charge of denial of due process i.e. a challenge to his competence. It was much easier for him to side with me and pass the buck back to the council.

Smart judge.

So what does this all mean? Well In very simple terms, it is SEISMIC i.e. extremely significant. It means that the court has accepted that the council’s claim is against the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES and not me the flesh and blood man Roger Hayes. The court has also accepted that I (Roger Hayes) can act as a third party representative to defend the claim against MR ROGER HAYES.
The legal fiction cat is now truly out of the bag (although for me this is the second time I have achieved this in court). If the council goes on to win its case, then the court will find against the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES, but significantly, they will not have found against me Roger Hayes... because as the court agrees... MR ROGER HAYES is a corporation... which isn’t me. One important thing is now clearly established - I, Roger Hayes, am not liable for council tax. AND NEITHER ARE YOU.

Mon, 14/02/2011

[blake]

Hello Jonathan,

Looking forward to your response, but I think we should both challnege ourselves to give much shorter responses.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/13/11

That's going to be harder than you know LOL =)

There are some well thought out posts here :)

Mine is simple, short and sweet ... in fact so short I will link to another thread for 2 interesting articals regarding the IMF, China and world reserve currency.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12737-Connections-Benjamin-Fulford-China-Iraqi-Dinar-revaluation-Banking-Cartel-end&p=136952#post136952

Hello Calz_Avaretard

Thanks for posting and thanks for the links.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/17/11

[K626]

Good stuff Blake!! More power to you sir!!

Best,

K

[blake]

Hello All,

Another interesting topic. STATE BANKS:

RESTORING ECONOMIC SOVEREIGNTY: THE PUSH FOR STATE-OWNED BANKS
Ellen Brown
February 15th, 2011
www.webofdebt.com/articles/economic_sovereignty.php

“It is time to declare economic sovereignty from the multinational banks that are responsible for much of our current economic crisis. Every year we ship over a billion dollars in Oregon taxpayer dollars to out-of-state and multinational banks in the form of deposits, only to see that money invested elsewhere. It's time to put our money to work for Oregonians.”
—Bill Bradbury, former Oregon Senate President and Secretary of State, quoted in The Nation

Responding to an unfilled need for credit for local government, local businesses and consumers, three states in the last month have introduced bills for state-owned banks -- Oregon, Washington and Maryland – joining Illinois, Virginia, Massachusetts and Hawaii to bring the total number to seven.

While Wall Street is reporting record profits, local banks are floundering, credit for small businesses and consumers remains tight, and local governments are teetering on bankruptcy. There is even talk of allowing state governments to file for bankruptcy, something current legislation forbids. The federal government and Federal Reserve have managed to find trillions of dollars to prop up the Wall Street banks that precipitated the credit crisis, but they have not extended this largesse to the taxpayers and local governments that have been forced to pick up the tab.

In January, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke announced that the Fed had ruled out a central bank bailout for state and local governments. The collective state budget deficit for 2011 is projected at $140 billion, a mere 1% of the $12.3 trillion the Fed managed to come up with in liquidity, short-term loans, and other financial arrangements to bail out Wall Street. But Chairman Bernanke said the Fed is limited by statute to buying municipal government debt with maturities of six months or less that is directly backed by tax or other assured revenue, a form of debt that makes up less than 2% of the overall muni market. State and municipal governments, it seems, are on their own.

Faced with federal inaction and growing local budget crises, an increasing number of states are exploring the possibility of setting up their own state-owned banks, following the model of North Dakota, the only state that seems to have escaped the credit crisis unscathed. The 92-year-old Bank of North Dakota (BND), currently the only state-owned U.S. bank, has helped North Dakota avoid the looming budgetary disasters of other states. In 2009, North Dakota sported the largest budget surplus it had ever had. The BND helps fund not only local government but local banks and businesses, by providing matching funds for loans to commercial banks to support small business lending.

In the last month, three states have introduced bills for state-owned banks, following the North Dakota model. On January 11, a bill to establish a state-owned bank was introduced in the Oregon State legislature; on January 13, a similar bill was introduced in Washington State (discussed in an earlier article here); and on February 4, a bill was introduced in the Maryland legislature for a feasibility study looking into the possibilities. They join Illinois, Virginia, Hawaii, and Massachusetts, which introduced similar bills in 2010.

Broad-based Support
The bills are widely supported by small business owners. The Seattle Times reported on February 3 that 79% of 107 business owners surveyed by the Main Street Alliance of Washington supported the Washington bill. More than half said they had experienced a tightening of business credit, and three-fourths of those said they could create additional jobs if their credit needs were met.

A survey by the Main Street Alliance of Oregon produced similar results. Their survey, which covered 115 businesses in 28 communities, found that two-thirds of small-business owners had delayed or canceled expansions because of credit problems; 41 percent had been turned down for credit; and 42 percent had seen their credit terms deteriorate. Three-quarters of the business owners surveyed supported the Oregon bill.

Also supporting the idea of a state-owned bank is Oregon state treasurer Ted Wheeler, with this twist: he thinks Oregon can unlock additional lending capacity in partnership with existing institutions by creating a “virtual” bank. The state would not need to build new brick and mortar banks requiring hundreds of new employees to service them. The new tools afforded the state by being a “bank” could be arranged quickly and cheaply through a framework he calls a “virtual economic development bank.” In an OpEd posted on Oregonlive.com on February 9, he wrote:

This new model would consolidate Oregon’s various economic development loan programs in one place, and allow state government to step in as a new lending participant, which will help qualified Oregonians to secure additional financing. We also have strategic investment tools such as the Oregon Growth Account that could be better utilized as part of this framework.

Banks “create” money by leveraging their capital into loans. At an 8% capital requirement, they can leverage capital by a factor of twelve, so long as they can attract sufficient deposits (collected or borrowed) to clear the outgoing checks. States give this leveraging power away when they put their deposits in Wall Street banks and invest their capital there.

State and municipal governments have assets tucked all over the state in separate rainy day funds, which are largely invested in Wall Street banks for a very modest return. At the same time, states are borrowing from Wall Street at much higher interest rates and have to worry about such things as credit ratings, late fees, and interest rate swaps, which have proven to be very good investments for Wall Street and very bad investments for local governments.

By consolidating their assets into their own state-owned banks, state and local governments can leverage their own funds to finance their own operations; and they can do this essentially interest-free, since they will own the bank and will get the interest back. The BND contributed over $300 million to state coffers in the past decade, a notable achievement for a state with a population that is less than one-tenth the size of Los Angeles County.

The growing movement to establish local economic sovereignty through state-owned banks has been a grassroots effort that has grown spontaneously in response to unmet needs for local credit. In Oregon, the push has come from an active volunteer group called Oregonians for a State Bank working with the Working Families Party. In Washington, the Main Street Alliance has played a major role. The Alliance is a project of what is now called the Alliance for a Just Society (formerly NWFCO), a coalition of several northwest states’ Citizen Action Networks and others. The chief legislative champion in Washington State is Rep. Bob Hasegawa. In Maryland, the campaign was initiated by the Wisconsin-based Center for State Innovation (CSI), the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the Progressive States Network. Progressive Maryland is a prominent NGO supporter. Detailed analyses of the Washington and Oregon initiatives and their projected benefits have been done by CSI. For grassroots efforts in other states and for petitions that can be signed, see http://publicbankinginstitute.org/state-info.htm.

[Calz]

Hello Calz_Avaretard

Thanks for posting and thanks for the links.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/17/11

Quite welcome and thanks to you for such an interesting thread.

After posting the links for IMF and China, France has jumped into the pool as well. Of course, some would argue that nation states themselves are all part of the illusion ... but that is another story.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0214/g20-business.html

Cal

[K626]

The whole idea of the state banks buy in - in the UK was loading debt onto US via the state and thus cutting US out of the loop regarding descision making about taking on debt and so on...This trend will continue...Might as well refer to tax as debt from now on...One and the same thing.
Govt are now the vehicle of choice for expanding personal debt which we are now loaded with and our chilrens -children...As you said to me in one of your excellent PM's getting the poulace to guarantee debt using the Govt as proxy is anouther way of creating a whole bunch of new money.

cheers

K

[blake]

Good stuff Blake!! More power to you sir!!

Best,

K

Hello K626,

Yes, it is all very facinating, but caution is heeded. I am fully supportive of acting on the MERS isuse, as well as encouraging individuals to aggressively pursue it becasue those laws are acknowledged openly by the courts and are in your face. The other article dealing with the strawman is a lot more complicated; and the average attorney will not touch it. The material, I believe, to be correct, however, unfortunately the courts in America are basically corrupt in my opinion, and will not aknowledge it or even give you a chance to state your case and bring in the evidence. So when dealing with an issue like the strawman, since the court system doesn't openly acknowledge it, and fears it, because you are using their rules against them, it could be a crap shoot or worse. I have seen cases like this before: some wins, some tossed out, and some jailed. So whenever, challenging the court, with laws that they don't like to acknowdge, and the court does not like to be challenged by pro se, step lightly, and be preapred for the worse. Of course, the more the courts are challnged, the easier it will be for others, yet how many will be eaten by the tiger before the tiger is put in the chains of truth. One thing I have lerned thoughout the decades, truth in a court of law is totally irrelevant. So I don't play with their layers upon layers of twisted law, that they will enofrce or not enforce according to their effort of first protecting their system, and Old Boys Club. Law is facinating, but laws can be nullified or changed, and is a deadly game. But money, is more truthful. Follow the money and it takes you to the truth. Of course, a lot of people have had their lives shortened in doing so. Still, I beleive, people have more power in controlling the PTB by controlling the non use of their money system, a lot easier then controlling their court system. But all of this is Just my humble opinion.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/17/11

[Jonathon]

Hello Jonahan,

I am so sorry, I haven't replied yet to your last post. I am just in a time lock with deadlines; and the correspondences continue to plie up! But I saw this on Rense and thought of you. I understand it is not all you write about, but it is about the strawman, and I thought you would appreciate it. I will rspond as soon.
Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/17/11
The Cat Is Out Of The Bagin Front Page

Roger Hayes
This article is a continuation of the non-payment of council tax saga... now in its 3rd year.

No problem at all blake - I'm in no hurry =)

Loved the story - he did it almost perfectly. The '3rd party intervener' game is the only way to get it done right and get out alive simultaneously. Only issue I saw is he threw in a few positive statements - but the judge was so off kilter it didn't matter LOL - priceless.

[blake]

Hello All,

A Fairy Tale? How nice if it would be so? Any thoughts?
Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/18/11


Greenspan's Golden Testimony
Bix Weir


Alan Greenspan testifies before the Angelides Commission about the causes of the financial crisis. Even though he will be under oath I'm sure that the commission has been coached with their script to ask those softball questions that Greenspan can babble for hours about. Congressmen make lousy actors.

...but what if someone else got to ask the questions? And what if Greenspan actually told THE REAL TRUTH this time? The truth that only a few people in the world know!

The following is a sworn testimony from Alan Greenspan that won't take place in front of the committee but it may in the very near future. Greenspan will be questioned by a character in this saga he knows well...ROOTA...so any attempt at fabricating or twisting the truth will be squashed. ROOTA knows all.

AND NOW THE SWORN TRUTH FROM THE MAESTRO...



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CHAIRMAN: Dr. Greenspan, please raise your right hand. Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God?

GREENSPAN: I do.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: Thank you for testifying. It will be nice to hear the truth come from your lips after all these years, and I'm sure you feel relieved that you will finally be able to speak freely.

GREENSPAN: I have very much looked forward to this.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: I'm going to get right to the guts of this hearing if you don't mind. Throughout the first part of your life you were the most avid gold bug on the planet but in the early 70's you sold out to the banking cabal and became gold's biggest enemy...why did you do it?

GREENSPAN: I didn't. I have always been a die hard advocate of using gold as money and I continue to be so today.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: But you worked for the evil Federal Reserve Bank. You were the king of fiat money which is the opposite of gold...the only real money.

GREENSPAN: Yes. I did work for the Federal Reserve bank but only at the calling of my country. You see, back in the 1960's and 1970's the United States of America was in the throws of a secret take over by a cabal of banking and industrial interests...and they were winning the battle. I was tasked with taking back the monetary system of our nation.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: That's about as far fetched a claim as I have ever heard.

GREENSPAN: Is it really? Ask yourself a question: Who is the person most responsible for the crisis we are in today? If you are thinking it's me... YOU ARE RIGHT! And what do you think will be the final outcome of the monetary crisis? I'll tell you what the outcome is...the total destruction of all paper based monetary assets. Everyone will lose everything in a blink of an eye and we will return to our Constitutional Gold Standard. How's that for a gold bug!

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: What?! You think this is a good thing?

GREENSPAN: Remember where we started. Our country was on the brink of losing everything to the "Bad Guys". They had just taken down Kennedy, they had control of the media, the military, the intelligence agencies and they had control of the gold and silver. Everyone was scared to death of the Bad Guys then I came along with a plan to better the world at the same time as I took down the Bad Guys.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: What plan was this?

GREENSPAN: It was based off two Nobel Prize winning economic theories developed in the 1960's called "The Golden Rule" theory and "On The Road to The Golden Age" theory which basically said that the best way to return to the gold standard was to squeeze out all the benefits of a fiat money system while people still accepted it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule_savings_rate

http://www.springerlink.com/content/g175216710577801/

The way I got involved was that I devised a way to control the prices of commodities by using computer trading programs that I wrote in the 1960's. Yep, I was the biggest computer geek in the world before computer geeks turned cool. That was my plan. Use my computer programs to rig the markets far longer than anyone thought possible controlling the prices of almost everything to disguise the fact that we were running the printing presses at full speed the whole time.

My mentor and friend, the ex Fed Chairman Arthur Burns, saw the potential of my plan and helped get me get appointed as the head of the Council of Economic Advisers for President Ford.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: But wait. Aren't we worse off today than we've ever been? Just look around you...everything is falling apart!

GREENSPAN: Well, that's true but that was always the end game. We'd abuse the currency, run up massive debt, get the whole world to buy into the concept of "free money" and then pull the plug on it all making people face the hard, cold reality that there is no free lunch. A gold standard is the ONLY monetary system that will survive in an open and free market. How fast we forget that famous quote from the dark lord who attacked our young nation:

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes its laws." - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: So we are at that point where we pull the plug on the fiat money system? Is this what you had planned all along?

GREENSPAN: Well, it didn't go exactly as planned. Things got sticky when President Reagan left office. The Bad Guys run by Papa Bush were given full control of the market rigging operations and we all had to go into hiding. Clinton, Bush II and Obama were all controlled by the same powerful demons that stole my rigging programs. Luckily, I figured out a way to gain control back. I just had to give them plenty of rope to hang themselves by their own greed...hence the deregulation of derivatives and removal of almost all regulatory control.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: So you did it all on purpose knowing the Bad Guys would indulge to the point where it all collapsed?

GREENSPAN: Yep, and I almost got them in 2008 but they were able to delay their final destruction but we are now at the point Humpty Dumpty sings "Ashes to Ashes we all fall down!" This will end the 100 year battle at last.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: I can't see the Bad Guys losing anything. They never lose.

GREENSPAN: THEY ALREADY HAVE! Can't you see it? The derivative bubble has blown and the losses are floating around in the back rooms and attics hidden by shady accounting. What will transpire is the same thing that has happened to over 2,000 fiat currencies in our past...they will implode. This does not only include paper money but EVERYTHING WE THINK HAS VALUE BUT ACTUALLY IS NOT REAL. Everything means checking, savings, 401k's, IRA's, Gov't Bonds, money market funds, stocks, bonds, pensions...EVERYTHING MADE OF PAPER OR ELECTRONIC BITS!

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: And you think this is a good thing?

GREENSPAN: You tell me. Look around at what is killing our countries, our citizens, our businesses...IT'S DEBT! Fiat Debt created out of thin air by the banking cabal for so long that we don't remember what it's like to have money that has intrinsic value...THAT IS NOT SOMEBODY'S DEBT BUT YOUR ASSET!

The coming crash will not only erase all paper/electronic wealth but it will also erase all debt. Voila...no more problems!

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: But where does that leave us...we'll have nothing!

GREENSPAN: Aaah... but that's where you are blinded by years of fiat monetary abuse. Wealth is all around us. It is in the soil of our bountiful country, it is in the work ethic of our strong people, it is in the brilliance of our esteemed professors and it is in the wonderful spirit of the human soul. We are a wealthy nation it's just that the wealth has been stolen by the few at the expense of the many. Once fiat wealth disappears it will correct that great wrong of disproportionate wealth distribution.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: But we'll still have no money. Are you suggesting we re-allocate money to everyone in the country? How is that possible?

GREENSPAN: I have already thought of that. We are going to need to start again with a new money. We will allocate the new money by how much you have invested into the system up to this point. Your hard work has been carefully tracked over the years through your SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES! And you thought those measly Social Security payments wouldn't matter. It was always the plan to reallocate through what you've paid into social security. That solution will also fix one of my first challenges when I began this journey back in the early 1970's...to FIX Social Security! TAA-DAA...fixed!

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: Is that why Social Security taxes are so low for the rich? So there won't be any more ultra rich folks after the crash?

GREENSPAN: Yes. It's time to start fresh. We will begin with a nation full of rich people because no one will have too much and no one will have too little...at least to start with. The free markets will take over in time and those who are smarter, faster, better than others will surely begin to accumulate more of the wealth over time. It is the nature of Liberty.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: I am truly blown away and yet it really makes me feel like there might be a way out of our mess! How can I be sure this is the TRUTH as you claim.

GREENSPAN: You will see in time. But if you want some hints into the reality of what is going on follow the folks over at GATA. They are on the front lines of the gold wars and they are working with us.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: I LOVE GATA! But why should I believe that YOU were on our side all along?

GREENSPAN: Well, I guess it won't hurt to let you peak behind the curtain a bit. Follow this link and read what has been discovered so far:

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/101.cfm

It's the story of you Roota! I hope I did you proud and in the end you can forgive me for lying to you all these years.

COMMISSIONER ROOTA: I hope so too, Alan. I hope so too.

[Mystique]

Just a side note about how to put the kind of money we are talking about into perspective; this was just sent to me by a friend:

This is too true to be funny.

The next time you hear a politician use the
Word 'billion' in a casual manner, think about
Whether you want the 'politicians' spending
YOUR tax money.

A billion is a difficult number to comprehend,
But one advertising agency did a good job of
Putting that figure into some perspective in
One of it's releases.

A.
A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

B.
A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

C.
A billion hours ago our ancestors were
Living in the Stone Age.

D.
A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.

E.
A billion dollars ago was only
8 hours and 20 minutes,
At the rate our government
Is spending it.

While this thought is still fresh in our brain...
let's take a look at New Orleans ...
It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division.

Louisiana Senator,
Mary Landrieu (D)
Is presently asking Congress for
250 BILLION DOLLARS
To rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number...
What does it mean?

A.
Well .. If you are one of the 484,674 residents of New Orleans
(every man, woman, and child)
You each get $516,528.

B.
Or... If you have one of the 188,251 homes in
New Orleans , your home gets $1,329,787.

C.
Or... If you are a family of four...
Your family gets $2,066,012.

Washington , D. C

HELLO!
Are all your calculators broken??

Building Permit Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax (Fed)
Federal Unemployment Tax (FU TA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Tax
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Tax
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
(And to think, we left British Rule to avoid so many taxes)

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago....
And our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

We had absolutely no national debt...
We had the largest middle class in the world...
And Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What happened?
Can you spell
' politicians '!

And I still have to
Press '1'
For English.

I hope this goes around the
U S A
At least 100 times

What the Hell happened?

[blake]

Just a side note about how to put the kind of money we are talking about into perspective; this was just sent to me by a friend:

This is too true to be funny.

The next time you hear a politician use the
Word 'billion' in a casual manner, think about
Whether you want the 'politicians' spending
YOUR tax money.

A billion is a difficult number to comprehend,
But one advertising agency did a good job of
Putting that figure into some perspective in
One of it's releases.

A.
A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

B.
A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

C.
A billion hours ago our ancestors were
Living in the Stone Age.

D.
A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.

E.
A billion dollars ago was only
8 hours and 20 minutes,
At the rate our government
Is spending it.

While this thought is still fresh in our brain...
let's take a look at New Orleans ...
It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division.

Louisiana Senator,
Mary Landrieu (D)
Is presently asking Congress for
250 BILLION DOLLARS
To rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number...
What does it mean?

A.
Well .. If you are one of the 484,674 residents of New Orleans
(every man, woman, and child)
You each get $516,528.

B.
Or... If you have one of the 188,251 homes in
New Orleans , your home gets $1,329,787.

C.
Or... If you are a family of four...
Your family gets $2,066,012.

Washington , D. C

HELLO!
Are all your calculators broken??

Building Permit Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax (Fed)
Federal Unemployment Tax (FU TA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Tax
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Tax
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
(And to think, we left British Rule to avoid so many taxes)

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago....
And our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

We had absolutely no national debt...
We had the largest middle class in the world...
And Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What happened?
Can you spell
' politicians '!

And I still have to
Press '1'
For English.

I hope this goes around the
U S A
At least 100 times

What the Hell happened?

Hello Mystique,

Thanks for the post. That particular article has been around for a while, but is always good to see it again. You write, so what happened? In my opinion, several factors, for it is never just one thing; but I suppose the biggest factor, in my opinion, is that Americans were socially engineered not to pay attention to the monetary issues, and to beleive the lies the government, banksters and corporations doled out. And it was all so easy for them to do with the small carrots dangling before the people. And with basic social engineering and marketing, the people easily took the carrots instead of using their critical thinking skills to what the eventual consquences would be. And alas, we have your list, and a lot worse.
If school children, along with their teachers and parents were taught money 101, unalienable rights 101, as well a little about the Declaration of Independence, then the polticians, corporations, and banksters wouldn't have gotten away with as much of their lies and thievery, or marketing over the past ninety years or so.

America changed once the Federal Reserve Act was passed. That is when one of the big proverbial pots of water, to be brought to a slow boil,, was put on the stove, with most Americans willing to go in for a dip, that they never stopped bathing in.
Don't look at the bad guys for that list above you sent. In my opinion, we need to look at all us good guys who allowed it to happen out of a varaity of human frailities, one which comes to mind very strongly is irresponsibiity. My grandparents, and my parents generations are to blame for the trauma of what my generation, my children's generation and my grandchildren genration are dealing with. And from what I have observed, my generation didn't do too much about waking up to their civic and moral responsibility either. I use to struggle with why people choose to be so blind, until I realize it is just human nature.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/19/11

[Northern Boy]

Please Blake explain why WE need a new financial system to replace the crumbling one . I`m just dying to hear you justify it. Because i can hardly wait to shot it full of holes. First off Religion Politics and the monetary system are all control mechanisms put in place to keep those at the top in positions of power, So how would your grand system be different ? Why do we need money in the first place, we already own everything on this earth. So why the need to have become a slave all over again and be forced to pay for things we should be getting for free and will in the future?

Please don`t let me down here and ignore my questions

Who owns the land in which a country is defined by its geographical boundaries?

The very people who elect the government to look after it in their steed.

If the people own the land then they must also own all of the developed or undeveloped resources that comes with it .

So if they own these resources should they not be receiving direct benefit of them free of having to pay a form of remuneration for them ?

Resources would include gas oil water Trees food including many others and any form of material manufactured from them

[Peta Babkama Luruba Anaku]

Fantastic thread. I am exhausted so I will keep this one short.

Fighting the "bad guys" through financial means is perhaps not as complicated as one may think. I believe it has been said here in this thread many different ways. I know I for one have stopped paying my debts to certain institutions and lenders....ie Banks and so on. Personal debts are always paid.

My point being there are many ways to attack them financially. We must attack the beast from the inside out. One small example is stop paying your debts. How bad would it be if the mass populace claimed bankruptcy? Another is perhaps stop being a needless consumer. By only what you need not what you want. Hit them where it hurts. Who are they? What do they own? How do we take them down? Think outside the box.

Sorry Im really tired. I know if I elaborate I will spend the next hour or two writing all my thoughts on the monetary system and all of its faults. Followed with numerous questions in regards to all of your fantastic posts. That was the short and sweet and lazy of what I think. I will elaborate tomorrow as nothing is that black and white.

[Northern Boy]

Peta they will bring themselves down trying to bring in the Global Government they want . Right now we have rich middle and poor class`s . The middle is quickly disappearing. So in an effort to try and rush chaos in the are slowly crashing the financial slave system we are stuck using. Many are worried about their wealth they have spent years building up , They buy gold ,silver and other things to Protect it . We all know money is just paper we give value ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, so is gold and silver we give it value that doesn`t mean it worth any more then paper. Try wiping your ass with a gold nugget


So they are crashing the currencies good bring it on love it . When you sit back and look at it from outside the box you get a better idea of what they are doing . Create the fear that all money is worthless. People will clamor to to protect their wealth. Once the currencies are with out value let it go on for a while so people request/ demand with piss in there boots fear they can`t eat pay bills work . Then they create the ever popular kick start the economic engine plan . For every 2 dollars you have will give you one of these new dollars . see they need your consent before they can do this . Why all legal contracts from banks and lending institutions are written in dollars. Debt is dollars or they effective currency in use at the time. In order to change any contract they need the consent of you the other party to it. So if your house is not paid off , currency is worthless your mortgage is gone debt wiped out . What you have to watch for is any notice from the lending institution notifying you of a change in payment . A contract is an agreement between two parties all changes made have to be accepted. When one side changes the terms you may offer a presentment to them with a time limit on it Failure to act on the terms of your presentment within the specified time limit means they accept the terms and become bound by them.


THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHEN ALL CURRENCIES ARE WORTHLESS THE EARTH HAS NO RICH NO MIDDLE AND NO POOR. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN CENTURIES WE ARE EFFECTIVELY EQUAL. Do not fall for the charade when the time comes stand your ground

[blake]

Hello Jonathan,
A bit late but…………….
Congratulations in striving for a shorter response. I too will challenge myself to see how short I can make mine. We both agree on personal responsibility and how important that is from our health, to all our relationships, and everything in between. But why is it that some people don’t naturally practice personal responsibility? Of course, I don’t have that answer, and for sure, there is more than one reason why humans are the way they are. I remember reading long ago about one particular colony in the 1600 or 1700s; I can’t remember which colony, but it was in the south, maybe North Carolina or Virginia. This particular plantation started off with the concept that everyone would farm, and then pool all their harvested crops to be divided equally between all community members. That sounds good and loving; however, human nature was not added into this equation. They discovered that some people decided not to work so hard; they reasoned, why should they since they would get an equal share of the crops regardless of how much they did or didn’t produce. Yup, even back then, some people, in a small community that depended on each other for survival, still took advantage of other people who worked hard. The shocking thing is that the attitude had a domino like effect on others as time went on. When other people saw some being lazy, more and more people thought the same thing, “why should I work hard when he isn’t working hard, and we will still all share equally in the bounty anyway?” Well, it got so bad that only a few were really producing, and as a result the colony almost starved. So they changed the rules. They decided as a group that people could keep whatever they grew, and trade the excess if they wanted to, but they didn’t have to share their crops. The colony then flourished.
Personal responsibility, civic responsibility, morality, honesty, egalitarian relationships and attitudes are wonderful qualities that I wish everyone possessed, but they don’t. Why is it that humans are the way they are? I don’t know what the ratio is between inherent traits, and socially engineered traits to keep us addicted, weak, and under the thumbs of TPTB. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if all humans practiced personal and civic responsibility; and that as a community we nurtured strength, honesty and ethics instead of control and weakness? But alas, it would appear that group dynamics usually follows the same bell curve, of many communities, by having a lot of nice people with the same ratio of not so nice people. Humans do such atrocious things to themselves and each other, yet every once in a while a miracle happens and they do something amazingly good. I just wish the miracles happened more often.
I can see this is already too long, so I will cut to the chase. I think I do understand where you are coming from with your legal studies. All you are describing to me sounds ever so familiar with what other people have tried to convince me of well over a decade ago. There have been people teaching seminars on similar information, if not the exact thing, all over the country for years. I know because my attic is filled with tapes, and books that so many people gave me wanting to convince me, like you, that I must study it because it’s how things really work. And which edition to Black law’s dictionary do you prefer? Or do you prefer Bolívar’s? (spelling?) I am aware of the Administrative Procedures Act and how all is “paper driven” There was this man called the inhabitant, out of Maryland, about seven or eight years ago who I met, who spent quite a lot of energy talking about that . He had quite a following and taught a lot of seminars. I don’t know if he still has a presence on the net. But chances are high that you can trace that material back to him. He was quite the legal researcher. Is it correct? Yes. Will the courts always recognize it to be right ? No. The courts are corrupt. It is my opinion from observation that sometimes you will win with this material, but most of the time you won’t. Court is a crap shoot. Honesty, the law doesn’t mean too much there. The judge’s first obligation is to support the system and his own career.
Jonathan, as you can see I am not saying the material is wrong. Some of it is quite correct. I am saying that if it is challenged by a court of law, it will in all likelihood be thrown out. The courts will probably not acknowledge it. Yes, there are some really great non-attorney, legal scholars who have brought up some of this material, especially some points on jurisdiction, and the paper driven administrative acts, holds water in some courts; but the odds are, that the majority of this legal view you have will be not be accepted by the courts. Have you tried using it in court? People can make contracts; they can set up as many trusts as they want. That is a good thing. But the create, and then discharge, or accept for value, or whatever the latest buzz words are, in playing with who has sovereignty here, I wouldn’t touch that material with a ten foot pole. The courts are extremely corrupt; and the old boys club network rules there. They don’t like outsiders. They don’t like some pro se coming in trying to use their rules against the system. And I do believe, freeing yourself, to them, means you are
working against the system. One of the many things I have learned in life, so far, is that the truth doesn’t matter in court. As a matter of fact, the courts don’t even follow their own rules, especially when challenged by someone in the pro se arena. So in using many parts of this material, I do hope you stay under the radar.
My other objection to some of this material, especially the material connected to the ucc laws is all the twists and turns and covert information. It is not always straight forward material. I can remember having discussions about this years ago and I have not changed my mind. I believe in honest money, and straight forward constitutional laws. In my opinion all this play acting with words and definitions, doesn’t appear, to me, to be honest. And I think you well you know my feeling about the “more laws there are, the more corrupt the system”. If I were to attack anything, I would attack how, through the banking’s magical accounting system that the borrower actually funds their own loan.
I can feel the excitement you have for the knowledge of this material you are studying, but I believe in simple ethics. I believe in money and laws not being manipulated but being used as it was meant to be used in a simple honest direct way. The methods you write about don’t appear to be simple and direct at all, but merely layers upon layers of twists and turns of laws to not to serve justice and truth but merely for one human to control another through the hierarchical dealings of social/political power. Law was meant to be straight forward for the average American to comprehend not be fooled by or taken advantage by. You also seem to be blending together many different methods, and putting them all in the same pot. Some are right and some are not so right. You even bring in the Bible as a study for basic law, which it is. But you bring in so many aspects and appear to mix them altogether. Some of it is I think is good and true and some of it is not, but the question is do you know which is which?
Since I now believe I understand what material you are talking about. I prefer not to discuss it further. It is interesting material to study as arm chair legal eagle, but in the real world of walking into a court room with this as your brief…….. my opinion is that it is very risky. I am a very pragmatic individual, I stick with what works, avoid the corrupt systems as much as I can and only take very calculated risks. Experience will have to be your teacher. I hope we can agree to disagree on this one, and have a truce on this particular topic. I suppose, considering the changing times we are all facing, I am wondering, does this even matter any more?

It is a shame that you are unfamiliar with Dr Vieira’s work. I admire him for his brilliant legal mind and for his tireless work in educating Americans in understanding the freedoms that they inherited, and how to work at keeping them. I can’t name one contemporary, in my opinion, who is more knowledgeable about the monetary system, and who also possesses the talent to clearly pass that information on to those who don’t have the time to study it in depth. He is a brilliant and honest man. He is in my top ten list of people I admire.

In reaching for my goal of keeping to a shorter post, I will address one more point.
You write: “ Laws are made to be broken because laws are designed to control, not to promote understanding. Freedom is inherent to human nature, therefore Laws will never work universally. My children taught me that. Trust is living agreement and all parties have a stake.” In my opinion, there is good law and bad law, and both are ignored and broken all the time. Some law is meant to control and some law is meant to protect. For example, we have a law against murder. Even the bible has its Ten Commandants, thou shall not kill is one of them. What must we think of human nature, if even the bible tells us that we must not kill? What type of inherent morality do we have? Is the basic law that murder is against the law an act of control on society or a heads up to humans “ hey it is wrong to kill a human being.” Goes to show you humans need a some prompting to do the right thing? Of course, there are exceptions to murder like in self defense. And, of course, some societies believe in capital punishment. But why is it the bible needs to tell us not to kill.? We don’t innately know that is wrong?
You write that “Trust in living agreement and all parties involved.” Is what works. Well, those people in that early colony had an agreement that they obviously tried to use trust with and it didn’t work. My opinion is that some laws and rules, certaintly not the majority, are there to try and keep humans as honest as possible because inherently some, if not many humans are not so honest. You keep talking about trust. Yet why do we have written contracts? Because we do not “trust” another person to always do what they say they will do? I trust less than a handful of people. I wish I could trust more. But with every interaction it is always risky whether or not a particular person, on a particular day, will do what is
right and good. And even if that person did the right thing 100 times in a row, there is no guarantee that on the one hundred and first time that person will again keep a trust honored. It is just human nature.
I agree humans need freedom and privacy along with all of the other unalienable rights. And as Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence, “ that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men.” So how is your government doing? Not so good? But why is your government not doing so good on protecting your freedom and privacy? Could it be because humans were lazy with their civic responsibility, and rationalized that someone else will give of their time and be honest, and act in everyone’s best interest by keeping an eye on the government? Just like in that early colony that almost starved, must humans rationalized away their civic responsibility to make sure their freedoms were being secured by their government. Now Americans have the TSA. They have no one to blame except the person looking back at them in the mirror.
Hmmmm, a familiar theme don’t you think? If personal and civic responsibility are not inherent in humans, then where do you get “trust” from. I will trust a written contract, where I might be able to enforce an agreement. An agreement done on just the shake of a hand increases the odds of maybe I will get ripped off. I might not, but the odds increases as a millions factors change over the course of each day.

So much for the short response! I will have to continue to strive to be better about that!

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/27/11
PS. Jonathan, I just started a new thread on Sharing the truth.
Could you please share with me something that you know for sure?

[blake]

Please Blake explain why WE need a new financial system to replace the crumbling one . I`m just dying to hear you justify it. Because i can hardly wait to shot it full of holes. First off Religion Politics and the monetary system are all control mechanisms put in place to keep those at the top in positions of power, So how would your grand system be different ? Why do we need money in the first place, we already own everything on this earth. So why the need to have become a slave all over again and be forced to pay for things we should be getting for free and will in the future?

Please don`t let me down here and ignore my questions

Who owns the land in which a country is defined by its geographical boundaries?

The very people who elect the government to look after it in their steed.

If the people own the land then they must also own all of the developed or undeveloped resources that comes with it .

So if they own these resources should they not be receiving direct benefit of them free of having to pay a form of remuneration for them ?

Resources would include gas oil water Trees food including many others and any form of material manufactured from them

Hello Northern Boy,

Sorry for the late response……………………..
When I read your post it was almost like you were challenging me to a shoot out , at high noon, down by the old saloon! You wrote:
“I’m just dying to hear you justify it. Because I can hardly wait to shoot it full of holes.”
Northern Boy, I got to be honest, your choice of words doesn’t seem to indicate that you are open to anything I have to say. You have already made up your mind! It would appear that you just want me to give you the go ahead to start shooting, whatever I write, full of holes, without even trying to understand my points or look for some common ground! You asked good questions and made good points that I agree with, but I have more respect for my time than to write to someone who doesn’t appear to want to politely debate, with a goal of maybe expanding their view, or understanding at least part of another’s perspective. You seem to be just looking for a fight. So I will pass on this one and you can have your shoot out with someone else.
I ask questions, I debate, I try to share information, I try to understand another's perpective and expereinces, and I try to answer questions, but I don’t look for a fight or show up at high noon for a shoot out!
Such a pity as I truly think we agree on more than we disagree. I am wondering if you misunderstood something I wrote or posted that perhaps set you off, as I don’t know what this “grand system” is that you claim I have?
Puzzled?
Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/27/11

[blake]

Fantastic thread. I am exhausted so I will keep this one short.

Fighting the "bad guys" through financial means is perhaps not as complicated as one may think. I believe it has been said here in this thread many different ways. I know I for one have stopped paying my debts to certain institutions and lenders....ie Banks and so on. Personal debts are always paid.

My point being there are many ways to attack them financially. We must attack the beast from the inside out. One small example is stop paying your debts. How bad would it be if the mass populace claimed bankruptcy? Another is perhaps stop being a needless consumer. By only what you need not what you want. Hit them where it hurts. Who are they? What do they own? How do we take them down? Think outside the box.

Sorry Im really tired. I know if I elaborate I will spend the next hour or two writing all my thoughts on the monetary system and all of its faults. Followed with numerous questions in regards to all of your fantastic posts. That was the short and sweet and lazy of what I think. I will elaborate tomorrow as nothing is that black and white.

Hello Anuku
Sorry for the late response……………….
I agree nothing is black and white; and I agree it is easy to get the monetary system back to the control of the people. Unfortunately, few will take the easy steps to make that happen; instead they will rationalize why they don’t take the simple steps, or pretend that they are helpless to do anything, so they continue to rationalize shopping at the big box stores, writing out personal checks, using credit cards, banking online and using other digital money etc etc etc.
I believe that people’s greatest fear appears to be the truth of who they really are, and what they really do, or don’t do. Humans seem to love to talk a certain way, especially about "love and light and the truth," but it appears, from my perspective, that humans seldom walk their talk; and the present crumbling monetary system appears to be an “in your face” result of that human condition.
Humans have no one to blame but themselves for what is happening with our fraudulent banking and monetary system; on a personal level they allowed it to happen, always hoping that other humans will deal with the fraud that they themselves participate in for their own convenience. It would be interesting if everyone reading this post looked in the mirror, and ask why they are continuing to contribute to a monetary and banking system that has been destroying the lives of so many, including themselves. Are you still writing out personal checks, using credit cards, using online banking or other digital money, shopping at Wal mart? I know it’s convenient, and are you also going to expect others to fight against the chip implants, while you use them for the convenience? And do you already pay by smart phone, by rationalizing that you have nothing to the hide, instead of using your critical thinking skills to understand the consquences that lie beyond the convenience that traps people, including you, into something so much uglier that you can't remove yourselves from so easily?
People complain. They ask how did it get so bad? Seldom do they look in the mirror and admit to the truth.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis
2/27/11