The Dragonfly Drones, 'Isaac', and the CARET Documents

[JDM]

Hello all,

Im not sure if this has been discussed already. My apologies if so.

I know this material has been out there for a while.

But I'm interested in hearing what some of the members here think of the CARET documents and the Isaac material.

Has it been debunked?

If not, has anyone been able to decipher the symbols and language used in the documents?

All the documents and Isaacs' material can be found here.
http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

http://archive.coasttocoastam.com/timages/page/Isaac062607a.jpg

http://archive.coasttocoastam.com/timages/page/Isaac062607o.jpg

http://archive.coasttocoastam.com/timages/page/Isaac062607r.jpg

[Whitehaze]

Yes this was a hoax and has been debunked

[JDM]

Yes this was a hoax and has been debunked

Thanks Whitehaze.
Do you have a link or can you explain?

I kinda kinda figured it was to good to be true. I heard the pics of the drones where CGI. but I never heard anything about the documents.

[Whitehaze]

I will find some links shortly for you. I viewed the drone videos myself and while they were very impressive, they were CGI. If you can train your eye to not look at the obvious you can see the flaws and imperfections surrounding the drones. I do have some experience with programs like lightwave and the like. I used to design 3d environments for gaming communities.


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here is one http://www.dronehoax.com/drone_history/isaac_additional/who_is_isaac_drone_link.htm

[Bill Ryan]

Yes this was a hoax and has been debunked

I never bought the debunkers' efforts. A lot of people ridiculed the material.

Where did you feel it was debunked so effectively? (Reality Uncovered and ATS don't count! :) )

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here is one http://www.dronehoax.com/drone_history/isaac_additional/who_is_isaac_drone_link.htm

Thanks - will read carefully.

[JDM]

Part of the reason I posted this was because I saw it on a rerun of "UFO Hunters" (Reverse Engineering) the other day.
I had seen it before but never really thought of researching it myself, until then.

They had the drone photos analyzed and seemed to lean more towards CGI.

But they said they couldn't prove or disprove "Isaac" documents. That is what I am more interested in.

They had also mentioned that it would be easier for the government to contract out such research to a private company because they do not have to obied by FOIA request. Which would make sense to me.

[000]

I will find some links shortly for you. I viewed the drone videos myself and while they were very impressive, they were CGI. If you can train your eye to not look at the obvious you can see the flaws and imperfections surrounding the drones. I do have some experience with programs like lightwave and the like. I used to design 3d environments for gaming communities.

Seconded. It is CGI. My eyes know the taste of CG well. (Extremely inefficient design for a craft anyhow... it looks pretty though).

The documents are also too pretty to be from a lab. Official stationary is usually well designed but most certainly not this well (again, I like it as eye candy, but that's it... and I've seen that font somewhere before... damned if I can remember)

[Whitehaze]

Yes this was a hoax and has been debunked

I never bought the debunkers' efforts. A lot of people ridiculed the material.

Where did you feel it was debunked so effectively? (Reality Uncovered and ATS don't count! :) )

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here is one http://www.dronehoax.com/drone_history/isaac_additional/who_is_isaac_drone_link.htm

Thanks - will read carefully.

Admittedly when I first saw the first photos I was amazed. Having seen UFO's for myself, at first glance it seemed genuine. But I was skeptical, so I started to dig deeper into it. One of the first videos I found was this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYMdQO7LHyc

clearly CGI in its early stages. Upon further searching I then came across this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJiCxWUlgcY&NR=1

Again CGI and this one is a bit poorer in quality.

Kris Avery of Kaptive studios in the UK and also a CGI expert ananlyzed the photos and found evidence of rendering. His statement to Mufon was as follow.

“On the Rajmanphotos, the photo grain is identical through the different images. It is hard to spot because of the different content of each photo. But in areas where the sky is neutral through the set, clear grain repetition is clear. This isn’t natural . It either points to a particular type of rendering, or it is a post effect added to give the images a photolikeappearance. Either way, it doesn’t bode well for their authenticity.”

There is also a MUFON report/investigation done by James Carrion that can be found here:

http://www.ufo-blog.com/pdf/mufon_drone_summary.pdf


And as I said, I have looked at the photos and videos extensively myself, and in the photos you can see what was described above. And as for the videos, CGI is easy to spot if you work with it, and I have done much 3d rendering.

However if I am wrong I will, as you say, eat my hat, with a little salt.

Hope thiis helps.

EDIT: I should also say, the above was not all that I found and looked at, its just the meat and potatoes of it as it were. And I still look at the photos and videos, you can look at something 100 times and all of a sudden seen something new..

[Whitehaze]

Also on 'Isaacs' site where his statement and material is he says

"The appearance of these photos has convinced me to release at least some of the numerous photographs and photocopied documents I still possess some 20 years later that can explain a great deal about these sightings"

he is referring to so called similar sighting and craft that he has posted on his site. Three of the images are the CGI craft in the first video above, and he claims to recongnize the parts on them as the parts he saw in the alleged C.A.R.E.T program.

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

[000]

I just noticed "CARET" as an acronym could sound like 'carrot'. Carrot on a stick. No coincidences after all...

[Whitehaze]

Part of the reason I posted this was because I saw it on a rerun of "UFO Hunters" (Reverse Engineering) the other day.
I had seen it before but never really thought of researching it myself, until then.

They had the drone photos analyzed and seemed to lean more towards CGI.

But they said they couldn't prove or disprove "Isaac" documents. That is what I am more interested in.

They had also mentioned that it would be easier for the government to contract out such research to a private company because they do not have to obied by FOIA request. Which would make sense to me.


The documents that you posted above I looked closely at, and in my personal opinion the characters appear to be a modified verson of Katakana (Japanese writing system)

[JDM]

I just don't understand why someone would take the time to "Hoax" all those documents.

I wouldn't think there would be much to gain.

He has the material freely available, isn't selling anything and dosen't come forward to be recognized.

I'm still going to go with undecided on the documents.

[JDM]

The documents that you posted above I looked closely at, and in my personal opinion the characters appear to be a modified verson of Katakana (Japanese writing system)

Yes they do resemble Katakana.

Did you also look at the other documents on the website? I only posted a few, I wasn't sure if it was against the rules to post all of the docs from another site here.

[Whitehaze]

The documents that you posted above I looked closely at, and in my personal opinion the characters appear to be a modified verson of Katakana (Japanese writing system)

Yes they do resemble Katakana.

Did you also look at the other documents on the website? I only posted a few, I wasn't sure if it was against the rules to post all of the docs from another site here.

Oh yes I have them all downloaded when I first found them. And to you question as to why someone would go to such lengths. If an individual is going to present something of this caliber, he is going to need to leave no stone unturned. But as with most hoaxsters, he ruined his own credibility when he claimed to recognize parts on an image of a known CGI rendered craft. In other words if he wanted this to fly further he should have shut up.

[Bluewool]

Still believe there's something to this,not sure what the intentions of a hoaxer would be as there is no money to be made from this.Will not comment on the videos but I'm impressed by the still photos and who would spend so much time creating technical blueprints? It would be naive to think the elite don't have this technology.Also the subject has died a death,not conducive to a hoax in my opinion.

[JDM]

The documents that you posted above I looked closely at, and in my personal opinion the characters appear to be a modified verson of Katakana (Japanese writing system)
Oh yes I have them all downloaded when I first found them. And to you question as to why someone would go to such lengths. If an individual is going to present something of this caliber, he is going to need to leave no stone unturned. But as with most hoaxsters, he ruined his own credibility when he claimed to recognize parts on an image of a known CGI rendered craft. In other words if he wanted this to fly further he should have shut up.

The symbols look like katakana, So maybe when he saw the pictures (not knowing they were CGI). Assumed the symbols and the craft came from CARET.

Of course this is all speculation. Im sure this has been debated to death before.

[Whitehaze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Bq9fC14ew


And another CGI vehicle created in 2007. There is indeed a lot of talent out there

[JDM]

And another CGI vehicle created in 2007. There is indeed a lot of talent out there

That is pretty cool looking.

I can definitely tell its CGI after about half the clip, when they start to zoom in.

[Whitehaze]

In 2007 Alienware computers ran a contest. Decipher the alien code and win! and here is the code.


http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones/pix/37_Alphabet_AlienwareComp_LingusiticContest_DronesViralCampaign.jpg


Notice anything?

[JDM]

In 2007 Alienware computers ran a contest. Decipher the alien code and win! and here is the code.

Notice anything?


Yeah, I wonder where Alienware got the idea from from?

You do have good points Whitehaze,
Your starting to convince me that this is a hoax.

I guess part of me(and many others) really wants to believe that the CARET documents are real.

I don't think nobody will ever know either way 100% if there bogus or not.

I do appreciate you taking the time and effort to engage in this topic, which was the point of me starting it. Im glad there are members here with information on this that could be useful to help our understanding of it.

[Whitehaze]

Oh no problem at all I am glad to do it when and if I can. I enjoy researching this stuff, even multiple times. Most of what I posted I knew about and just had to locate some of it again. And in doing so, I found new stuff I didnt know before. And that is the beauty of it.

[modwiz]

Part of the reason I posted this was because I saw it on a rerun of "UFO Hunters" (Reverse Engineering) the other day.
I had seen it before but never really thought of researching it myself, until then.

They had the drone photos analyzed and seemed to lean more towards CGI.

But they said they couldn't prove or disprove "Isaac" documents. That is what I am more interested in.

They had also mentioned that it would be easier for the government to contract out such research to a private company because they do not have to obied by FOIA request. Which would make sense to me.


The documents that you posted above I looked closely at, and in my personal opinion the characters appear to be a modified verson of Katakana (Japanese writing system)

I beg to differ Whitehaze. It is clearly Klingon. Worf would we wroth with you. (wink)

You are most likely correct WH. But not at all humorous here. :jester::sarcastic::wacko::laugh::fish:

[toad]

I saw an old post about these but it seemed a majority of the leak was missing, here is what I've seen:
http://i.imgur.com/NzZmBl5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8WbULfC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3Qm3hYh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JkkPetH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/B48PscB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LhH0G5o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FQpvr1M.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/84jvklz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jQfuHRH.jpg


It would seem some pages are missing.

[korgh]

I have the PDF version of the same document with 19 pages:

CARET - Commercial Applications Research fo Extraterrestrial Technology
Q84-86 RESEARCH REPORT / DEC 1986 - PALO ALTO, CA

External link: CARET Q84-86 (http://www.theobjectreport.com/media/CARET.pdf)

It's amazing the amount of extraterrestrial technology that is hidden from public knowledge and should be used to improve the quality of life for everyone on the planet.

[Lifebringer]

I have the paleo Hebrew alphabet symbols in my King's Covenant, and they appear to be the letters "K" "L" "N" on the generators outersides in symbols. (123)

Paleo Hebrew Original Scriptures? What's up with that? This book of text talks of Yahushua, Yah's Son, who's name the people made fun of and were told by the rulers, never to speak, until there was NO mention. Did they hide the real name of the Hebrew God and Son? Seems to me they changed Kunta's name to Toby, perhaps they changed the true name, to have us call on one of their faux Gods. The question is "who" changed the original Hebrew God and Son's names or forbid them to be spoken? Seems they never like the original names that have meaning and purpose in the tribes.

This is why I believe Divine Intervention for just the lies, must happen to make things right.

A masterful deceit, if they did to have the world worship the wrong God as a way of turning away from the true one. Lucerferians are a deceitful bunch of devil worshippers/fallen, they own the media, who's to say the deceit didn't start with the books God being hidden to make them worship the fake one.:nod:

I'm open minded and wouldn't put it past them. I must do some more studying to be sure.

[c0rv0]

New Witness

Almost one full year has passed with no serious contacts resulting from the page — that is until very recently when a brand new witness contacted me.

My new witness has kept her story private among her close family for over THIRTY YEARS, but now she feels able to share her fascinating account. She is concerned for her privacy due to the circumstances and nature of what she witnessed and understandably does not want any press intrusion or harassment. Therefore, to protect her real identity we will call her ‘Mary.’

Mary is 58 years old and was born in Detroit, Michigan. Her father was an engineer for the big three auto corps (General Motors, Ford & Chrysler), while her mother stayed home. After her parents divorced in the 1970s, her mother moved to Phoenix, Arizona. Mary has been teaching art for 30 years and now lives in S.E. Michigan.

I should add that I have verified Mary’s real name, address, telephone number and other details confirming her identity and background.

Mary’s sighting of the drone took place in 1981. However Mary kept the story between close family for more than a decade — that is until she had a separate UFO sighting of a silver disc in 1991/92. When Mary reported the silver disc sighting to MUFON, she also happened to report her drone sighting, albeit from 10 years previous. Several months after making the report to MUFON, she was contacted out of the blue by someone called Isaac whom she did not know. This contact with Mary was made a full 16 years BEFORE Isaac published the leaked documents on the internet.
more here. http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2201&category=Science

[PHennessey]

No, no, no. The Isaac/CARET story has NOT been debunked. Not by a long shot.

I know I'm late to this discussion, but you are all sorely confused as to the source of your content and its validity.

First of all, none of these silly videos were ever offered as evidence. Those are fan-based videos and animations and they appeared after the initial release of documents. They are completely irrelevant. Our discussion should exclude them.

Second, the person who identified as Isaac was able to post a response via Linda Moulton Howe regarding many concerns people had about the documentation and its "cleanliness." These responses were wholly aligned with his previous story, and were totally legit as far as those of us watching were concerned. These secondary responses address many of the concerns I am seeing here. You can read these replies here: http://ufo.whipnet.org/xdocs/caret.program/index3.html

Frankly, the Isaac/CARET story is, without doubt, THE most convincing aspect of the UFO/alien story on Earth. No other photos of artifacts, personal accounts, or scanned documents, have come close to this. The strange craft sightings in the sky were photographed BEFORE Isaac came forward with scanned documents showing parts of the craft that are an EXACT match to what was in these INDEPENDENTLY photographed drones.

I cannot stress this enough: this is the real deal. The debate on this story is not over. In fact, it needs to be reopened. And Isaac, wherever he is, needs to come forward with more. I fear that this disclosure resulted in his being silenced.

Anyway, my two cents on the matter. I'm not trying to come across as crass. I just think there are some serious flaws in the reasoning behind many responses in this thread.