FOUND!! A whole community free from Mind Control Programming (no, not us!)

[buffski]

Please watch this and take what touches you from it.

Just truly, tear-inducingly apt for what we are discussing these days on Avalon's monster threads.

Just who do we feel more tragic for?

x x x

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12360013

[noprophet]

Makes me wonder if the ETs make similar videos about us...

[buffski]

Yes:)

I was struck by how they are free from everything we are trying to put an end to.
The last line in the video says it all.

x x x

[Mr.Eman]

it is like a real life view of our distant past . poignant .

[buffski]

...and a real life view of our constricted present. This video has struck me more than any of the chatter over the past few weeks on the C threads. Yes, Mr Eman, very poignant. x x

[InCiDeR]

Yes:)

I was struck by how they are free from everything we are trying to put an end to.
The last line in the video says it all.

x x x

Quoted for truth. I hope with every bit of my heart that it will stay like that!

Thank you buffski for such wonderful news.

[buffski]

powerful stuff isnt it? :) sleep well in Sweden InCiDer. (PS I like your posts) x

[Amenjo]

Makes me wonder if the ETs make similar videos about us...

Hi noprophet,

Funny thought exactly the same, came across the news report earlier after finishing work.

It's quite strange that this did appear on the other mainstream news channels at the same time. Saw exactly the same one on CNN earlier. Do you think they are trying to make some kind of point?

It's nice to take a breather though from the fast flowing river we are in at the moment.

Love and Truth

Amenjo

[Holly Lindin]

Wow, thank you, Buffski, so much. I cannot explain to you how empowered and insignificant this video made me feel. Just a reminder of how we're all connected and how we, in this industrialized civilization, have been kept away from the World. And by "World", I mean Mother Earth Herself. Heartbreakingly poignant.

<3

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks Bufski :) for bringing this up.
I too just caught this program....can't get it out of my mind.
certainly takes you outta the box we think in!
So many realizations come from witnessing this.
They should be showing this in school...

Amenjo, I've got to agree with you about someone making a point...the timing is certainly interesting.

This film is probably more important than we realize. Thanks Buffski!

[Chelle]

Hi

I watched this programme last night its was excellant, its available on BBc iplayer. There were also tribes who lived way up in the trees most amazing.
Kindest Regards

[Pamela]

I think the beauty in it is that it makes us long for something we want. Simplicity, peace and freedom. Not stress, wars, and ties that bind.

Would it not be wonderful to know their spiritual beliefs?

[noprophet]

Hi noprophet,

Funny thought exactly the same, came across the news report earlier after finishing work.

It's quite strange that this did appear on the other mainstream news channels at the same time. Saw exactly the same one on CNN earlier. Do you think they are trying to make some kind of point?

It's nice to take a breather though from the fast flowing river we are in at the moment.

Love and Truth

Amenjo

Ha! Didn't think of that... Maybe a little sub-conscious play at hand. ;)

[Chelle]

Would it not be wonderful to know their spiritual beliefs?[/QUOTE]

Thats exactly how I felt when I watched it. What fascinated me was how they totally mimicked nature at the Sing Sing, and how they eat monkey but also rescued any babies and bought them up even going as far as to breast feed the young in order that they would live. What an insight to there love for animals.

But I think the breast feeding thing is taking it a bit far.

[buffski]

Would it not be wonderful to know their spiritual beliefs?

Thats exactly how I felt when I watched it. What fascinated me was how they totally mimicked nature at the Sing Sing, and how they eat monkey but also rescued any babies and bought them up even going as far as to breast feed the young in order that they would live. What an insight to there love for animals.

But I think the breast feeding thing is taking it a bit far.

LOL :) I once lived with a woman in the Yungas valley in Bolivia who breastfed puppies!!!!

[Chelle]

LOL :) I once lived with a woman in the Yungas valley in Bolivia who breastfed puppies!!!![/QUOTE]

Thats mad. I mean that in a non offensive way.

[Midnight Rambler]

I saw this on the BBC yesterday on human planet and my heart broke a little. I thought of the people on the ground looking at the plane overhead. What did go on in their head? It must be like seeing a ufo or something like that. I felt as if their innocence was lost and I hope they never encounter with any loggers or gold diggers. Lets keep this forest for these people.

[Chelle]

Lets keep this forest for these people.[/QUOTE]

Definitely

[buffski]

Lets keep this forest for these people.

Definitely[/QUOTE]

Agreed.
But the greatest heart twinge I got was for us.

It was me I felt sorry for. I wanted their disconnect from the mind games and control mechanisms out here.

[astrid]

But the ironic thing is now they are "found" by society is this the beginning of the end for them??

The problem with consumers of information, is that the sellers (the media) will keep selling if the consumers keep consuming.

Personally i kind of wish for the "Uncontacted" sake that they were still lost,
and i have very mixed feelings being also a consumer of this, their completely free sovereign world.

My heart is with them, i wish them to be safe and left alone......



Blessings,

Astrid

[Dennis Leahy]

"They're the last free people on this planet." I'm sending my intent that they remain "uncontacted."

Dennis

[EasternViolet]

That airplane buzzing in the sky has already changed them. Their stories will change. I wonder how often there are aircraft in that area? (Maybe the silver bird is a normal thing these days)

I hope are protected from illegal loggers. They probably have no immunity to many of the diseases that plague (heh) us.

Its nice to know there are groups of people that have escaped the colonialist fist.

___

And unrelatedly...I used to take a course with a professor who worked with the San peoples of the Kalahari. This would have been back in the 60s. Anyway, one night the professor decided to have a movie night and share parts of his culture. So in the veld, with a generator, a reel to reel projector and a bed sheet he showed 2 films. One was of the moon landing. The other was of the Calgary Stampeed. They had no reaction and were quite unimpressed with the moon landing, but they laughed their heads off at the bull riders. :) Silly us!

[slipknotted]

prison planet ? not for them.

[Kindling]

"They're the last free people on this planet." I'm sending my intent that they remain "uncontacted."

Dennis

Amen, Dennis!!

[White Rabbit]

[/QUOTE]
Agreed. But the greatest heart twinge I got was for us.

It was me I felt sorry for. I wanted their disconnect from the mind games and control mechanisms out here.[/QUOTE]

Yes, me too... and the lyrics to 21 Guns were perfect timing right at the moment for me... "Do you know what's worth fighting for? When it's not worth dying for? Does it take your breath away? Do you feel yourself suffocating....? " I know 'it's' worth fighting for... and dying for if that is what must happen... we do not die, the shell may give out and 'die' but we go on... yes it takes my breath away, I cannot wait for what is to come, what I am becoming... the only suffocating I feel is not being as free as I wish... yet.

Much Love
White Rabbit

[autochthon]

"They're the last free people on this planet." I'm sending my intent that they remain "uncontacted."

Dennis

Another vote for that! - But I confess my first thought on seeing the story on the BBC page was
"The BBC was allowed to film from 1km away using a stabilised zoom lens."
- Oh, dear, oh, dear ... You can be a member of an "undiscovered" tribe in the middle of nowhere and *still* "They" are pointing cameras at you, whether you realise or understand it or not. They have my sympathy, as well as awe and respect.

[buffski]

:) helllooo

[anikohu]

It makes you wonder about reality. Waht is reality? How many reality exist in this small beautiful planet?
Amazing !;)

[eris23]

Beautiful video. I visited Peru as a tourist a few days ago and got to visit a community that had minimal contact from the outside world. They allowed small groups of tourists because the liked to sell their textiles. They would spend the money for a very few supplies and modern conveniences at a city that was an hour away, but most of their culture had been preserved. I marveled at how simply they lived and how happy and healthy their children looked.

[White Rabbit]

It makes you wonder about reality. Waht is reality? How many reality exist in this small beautiful planet?
Amazing !;)

Ah! So many more than most realize! :) It is simply amazing.

Much Love
White Rabbit

[Odiwan]

Such a wonderful clip, it is inspiring to see that there are those who have made it this far without civilization's ravages. I agree with everyone's comments here.. particularly that once the undiscovered becomes discovered, well, its a bit like the quantum physicist interaction with the experiment: the observer affects the observed (thinking of the plane = ufo analogy there).
Still, it better that a person who has their best interests at heart discover them rather than the pirates.

[Gajanana]

I already posted about this under the title, why dont they leave these people alone?
The reason they dont is because there are so many curious people who want to know all about them. As with former "undiscovered" tribes, our curiosity is gonna be the end of it.
I dont think it was beautiful, I feel it was an intrusion... :sad:

[Gypsy Woman]

There are more than 60 uncontacted tribes in the Amazon, according to researchers. I remember watching an old BBC video about a tribe of indigenous people who allowed the filmmakers into their lives for a bit. They had to cross over a bridge, and go through a guarded gate, to get into their protected world, literally, and the reason this tribe allowed them in was specifically to WARN THE WORLD of what was to come... in the hopes that"the white people" would heed the warnings.

You see, these people consider themselves the guardians of the earth.

When these people had done what they intended to do, they kicked the film crew back across the bridge, saying don't ever come back... or words to that effect.

If anyone know anything about this documentary, please post some info here. (FYI: in this tribe, they dress in white clothing, so if this triggers a memory?)

Here's a pretty good link to a site dedicated to Amazon People:

http://rainforests.mongabay.com/amazon/amazon_people.html

[Come As You Are]

Wow. I felt like a gawking tourist, very sad and helpless. Last night I watched a movie "The old man who read love stories", based on the novel by Luis Sepulveda. It was profoundly moving and beautifully shot, and is strikingly resonant with that piece of footage. Also, right as I was watching the footage, John Hurt was on the tele in the next room, discussing his ancestral lineage. I was thinking that the narrator of the footage was Mr Hurt!It was all rather powerful. Not sure if it was John Hurt. Great movie, by Rolf de Heer, who made Ten Canoes, another great movie with themes of Indigenous wisdom, love and courage.

[Gajanana]

There are more than 60 uncontacted tribes in the Amazon, according to researchers. I remember watching an old BBC video about a tribe of indigenous people who allowed the filmmakers into their lives for a bit. They had to cross over a bridge, and go through a guarded gate, to get into their protected world, literally, and the reason this tribe allowed them in was specifically to WARN THE WORLD of what was to come... in the hopes that"the white people" would heed the warnings.

You see, these people consider themselves the guardians of the earth.

When these people had done what they intended to do, they kicked the film crew back across the bridge, saying don't ever come back... or words to that effect.

If anyone know anything about this documentary, please post some info here. (FYI: in this tribe, they dress in white clothing, so if this triggers a memory?)

Here's a pretty good link to a site dedicated to Amazon People:

http://rainforests.mongabay.com/amazon/amazon_people.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-521537373096312859#


:hippie:

[Chicodoodoo]

Not only are they free of mind control, but they are free of foot deformities. Here's what feet that have never seen shoes look like -- beautiful.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/02/pictures/110202-uncontacted-tribe-pictures-photos-amazon-science-indians-brazil-arrows/#/uncontacted-tribes-new-pictures-close-up_31963_600x450.jpg

No scrunched up toes!

[witchy1]

Thank you so much Gajanana, what a wonderful video about the Kogi. The only fully functioning pre columbian civilisation left. Amazing

W

[lightblue]

"The Kogi are the direct descendants of the Tairona civilization. The Tairona culture flourished in Northern Colombia around 1,000 AD. They left behind stunning gold artwork, stone and pottery artifacts and an amazing network of brick roads covering the Sierra Nevada. Kogi society has changed little in the past five centuries. They survived as a culture because the Kogi focus all their energy on the life of the mind as opposed to the life of a body or an individual. Fundamental to that survival is the maintenance of physical separation from their world and our own. The Kogi do not allow anyone into their land. They are very protective of their sacred space and the dense jungle is not kind to tourists. Very few Colombians dare enter into their territory."

http://www.labyrinthina.com/kogi.htm


bbc etc had better stayed out of these and other peoples's lives:stop:...luckily for the kogi, they live in a well sheltered, visitor unfriendly area, so noone can reach them unless one of them takes you...unless you are invited...can't be fairer..
:yu: l
..

[Gypsy Woman]

Yes Gajanana...that's the video!! Thanks so much for finding it!


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7373096312859#

[eileenrose]

Just found this Kogi video.

“THE ELDER BROTHERS SPEAK – A MESSAGE FROM THE HEART OF THE WORLD”

From YouTube

Anticipating the arrival of the Kogi and Arhuaco Mamos we were reminded of the documentary, ‘The Elder Brothers Speak”. Filmed by Alan Ereira for the BBC in 1991, to date this video is one of the only points of access for anyone seeking information about the Kogi and their way of life. If you are hearing about the Mamos for the first time, ‘The Elder Brothers Speak’ will give you a sense of where these amazing beings are coming from and it will open your eyes to things that will beg you to rethink everything you’ve been taught about what it means to be human. We invite you to tune in and explore a world that has survived every attempt to destroy it, and to open your hearts the wisdom of the Elder Brothers, the ones who before the month is out, will be coming up from the ‘Heart of the World’ to remind their ‘Younger Brothers’ how to live.

http://spiritofmaat.com/jun12/index.htm

Here is a snip from this video:


“Everything we do is an event not only in the physical world but also in the spirit world. We live in a world shaped in spirit. Every tree, every stone, every river, has a spirit form, invisible to the Younger Brother. This is the world of Aluna, the world of thought and spirit. Aluna embraces intelligence, soul and fertility: it is the stuff of life, the essence of reality. The material world is underpinned, shaped, given life and generative power in Aluna, and the Mama's work is carried out in Aluna”. -- p. 63

“Because Kogi elders or Mamas are seers, graduates of a mystery school, they have the natural ability to penetrate higher planes of existence and hidden causes. They understand the vital truth of the maxim "as above, so below." When the Younger Brother in his vanity, urged by his greed and ambition, thinks that he is "running things," that is when the planet and our existence on it become endangered. The expression of the law of the Great Mother is interfered with.”

[conk]

Don't we need to be rid of these "people"? What do they contribute to the global profit agenda? Nada! Be rid of them and cut down those trees! Simply worthless, useless savages who don't even have any money and cannot consume the many fine products sold by real people. If they were civilized we'd see a big pile of garbage just outside the village. White men rule, Indians drool.

THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY CORPORATE AMERICA, A SUBSIDARY OF THE ROCKEFELLER EMPIRE.

[eileenrose]

I spent the last few hours looking at the Kogi and the way they exist. It is a fascinating topic. I don't know if other people read/saw this part....but they keep the children that will become shamans in 7 years of darkness (starting from birth). Has anyone else heard of this type of practice among other native tribes?

first time I've heard of it.

[conk]

I spent the last few hours looking at the Kogi and the way they exist. It is a fascinating topic. I don't if other people read/saw this part....but they keep the children that will become shamans in 7 years of darkness (starting from birth). Has anyone else heard of this type of practice among other native tribes?

first time I've heard of it.Would not the children go blind? No doubting, just wondering.

One of the most fascinating aspects of these ancient cultures is their respect for those who follow. Many of the tribes hold counsel to make decisions about some aspect of their lives. In making the final decision they must account for how the decision will impact the tribe for up to 7 generations hence. Amazing to consider, when our culture is obsessed with instant gratification and holds no regard for even our children.

[mosquito]

When I visited Guatemala in 2000 to celebrate the Mayan new year, there were 2 Kogi "shamans" attending. They were far and away the most beautiful, "spiritual" people I've EVER met.

[songsfortheotherkind]

If you actually click on the photos page, there's more information on this particular tribe.

http://www.uncontactedtribes.org/brazilphotos

If you look at the first photo one of the young ones is holding a steel knife and there's what appears to be an enamel bowl next to the rock.

From the site:

Is this an ‘undiscovered’ or ‘lost’ tribe?

No. This is empty sensationalism. It’s extremely unlikely there are any tribes whose existence is totally unknown to anyone else. The uncontacted tribe in these photos has been monitored by the Brazilian government for 20 years, and lives in a reserve set up to protect uncontacted tribes.

Who are the uncontacted people in the photos and footage?

Many tribes in this region suffered atrocities during the ‘rubber boom’ a hundred years ago, when wild rubber became an important international commodity. Many were killed or died from disease. However some managed to flee deeper into the forest. The uncontacted Indians living here today may be descended from these people.

How can they be filmed if they're uncontacted?

The Brazilian authorities have been monitoring this group of uncontacted Indians for years from the air. Over-flights are used to gather evidence of invasions of their land.

Indians certainly hear the plane long before it becomes visible. They will have seen many planes over the years from commercial jets to light aircraft belonging to missionaries, prospectors, and government authorities like FUNAI.

Their lifestyle is already under threat and has been for some time. These photos were released as part of a political campaign to stop illegal logging in the rainforest.

Being sentimental about things isn't useful- wishfully hoping that they'll be 'undisturbed' is unrealistic and generally useless. The entire techno-industrial machine is in operation because the collective allows it to be: what happens to these individuals will be as much up to the collective as were the fates of those slaughtered during the 'rubber boom' , the oil explorations, the Penang people gas mine exploration slaughter and all the other native peoples that have been destroyed and harmed by the agreement of the collective. Being vaguely sentimental about their lives won't change this, but it sure makes for great copy.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Would not the children go blind? No doubting, just wondering.

Their visual cortex would be unable to process a great deal of the information presented to them and the children would be functionally blind while still being able to technically 'see', at least until they learned some kind of mapping of their external world as connected to vision. They would also be able to see things that others can't but quite possibly would have no references against which to describe these. They would therefore be 'outside' their world in terms of how their minds are processing the information.

There are many studies done on the visual cortex and its processing mechanisms.


One of the most fascinating aspects of these ancient cultures is their respect for those who follow. Many of the tribes hold counsel to make decisions about some aspect of their lives. In making the final decision they must account for how the decision will impact the tribe for up to 7 generations hence. Amazing to consider, when our culture is obsessed with instant gratification and holds no regard for even our children.

To me personally, it's not amazing, it's intelligence manifest. What to *me* is amazing is that westerners as a whole think their culture can continue, indefinitely: the idea of infinite in a finite world being held as possible is amazing, I have no comprehension whatsoever as to what goes on in the minds of such individuals that allows them such monumental self deception. I find it amazing that they can survive at all, with minds like that.

Native minds, when it comes to this sort of innate intelligence, I can totally get. Yet even the tribal way of doing things was corrupted in some way or another by the heteronomy and the spiritual manipulation, so for me personally it's always a situation of taking up the best practices and letting everything else fall away.

[eileenrose]

More postings about kogi found on another thread.

excerpt from post # 14610
thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening/page731

favorite part:


Kankurua huts To penetrate a Kankurua is to enter into contact with the nine worlds and the nine states of consciousness that make it up. Some say they have moved beyond verbal language, using tones to create colorful images in their minds rather than thoughts expressed as sentences. Some Kogi speak telepathically to each other.
According to Drunvalo Melchizedek ...
The Kogi do not see us as 'sleeping' as many of the Hindu and Oriental religions do. The Kogi see humans as dead, shadows of the energy of what they could be. This is because they do not have enough life force energy and consciousness to be classified by them as real people. The Kogi set out to find out why the 'dead ones' were still on Earth. As they searched the living vibrating records of this reality, they found exactly where and why it had happened. Some of the 'dead ones' had become alive, and had created a dream with enough life force to save the world as we know it.
They created a parallel world where life could continue to grow, a world where the dead could become alive. The Kogi were so specific to locate exactly who these people were that were creating this change that had altered the world's destiny.
The Kogi see these people with living bodies with light around them, people who had activated their Light Bodies or in the ancient terms, their Mer-Ka-Ba.


source: http://www.crystalinks.com/kogi.html

And from the next post:

http://www.theelderbrother.com/kogi/gallery.cfm


kogi gallery

[eileenrose]

My current translation of this phrasing (from the Kogi, post above)


Some of the 'dead ones' had become alive, and had created a dream with enough life force to save the world as we know it.
They created a parallel world where life could continue to grow, a world where the dead could become alive. The Kogi were so specific to locate exactly who these people were that were creating this change that had altered the world's destiny.
The Kogi see these people with living bodies with light around them, people who had activated their Light Bodies or in the ancient terms, their Mer-Ka-Ba.

My take on this statement:
Some beings on a higher plane of existence came back and helped everyone by creating what we now refer to as 'you are asleep, dreaming you are awake' type state (we/you all live in...I am sort of out of it now myself...hard to say if anyone is ever completely out of it though-the dream state....or they are hard to locate) as mention by many a guru (myself included),

.....a type of multi-verse (it couldn't just be one universe....it would have to include every human...or most....lots?...in order to apply/be a functioning reality).

thoughts?

[eileenrose]

Here is an update (audio interview) on the Kogi from Alan Steinfeld's New REalities website (a personal friend).

Link: http://www.newrealities.com/index.php/blogs/item/2169-kogis-coming-to-sedona

Title of article and audio "Talking about the Kogi coming to Sedona "

Snips

Alan Steinfeld talks to Adam Yellowbird and Wachan Bajiyoperak of Peru about the message of the Kogis, the Elder Brothers; who maintain a spiritual integrity for the planet... They are also joined by spiritual teacher Catherine G. Lucas of the UK.

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Another longer snip


For Adam Yellowbird and more information go to:
http://www.indegineousnativeAmerican.com

For Wachan Bajiyoperak
go to: http://www.Willkasara.com


Picture and article from the website:
http://www.sacredland.org/sierra-nevada-de-santa-marta
For the indigenous peoples living on the steep slopes of Colombia’s Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta, sustaining the balance of the spiritual and ecological world is their sacred task. They call themselves the Elder Brothers, the guardians of the Earth, and the rest of modern civilization are the Younger Brothers, whose exploitative practices are destroying the mountain’s ecosystem and, by extension, the rest of the planet. The four indigenous groups of this region—the Kogi, Wiwa, Arhuaco and Kankuamo—believe the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta is the beating heart of the world: what happens here happens everywhere, and when its rivers run dry, its ice caps melt and its endemic species disappear, so do the rest of the world’s. They maintain their deep commitment to restoring equilibrium to the Earth through daily meditations, ritual practices and mental discipline, and they have continued this vigilance even as the Younger Brothers have encroached into the mountain with logging, mineral extraction, commercial plantations and drug-crop cultivation that placed them at the center of violence between warring factions in Colombia’s protracted civil war. Protecting the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta’s water resources is now their focus, as they protest projects that will dam two mountain rivers and a massive ocean port development that will export natural resources mined in the region while also blocking access to a sacred site by the sea. In 2007, the four tribes issued a joint statement condemning the projects: “From the beginning of these projects we have expressed in many ways our opposition … They negatively affect our way of life, they degrade the environment, and they violate every part of the Constitution that pertains to the fundamental rights of our people.”

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The main part of the audio (38 minutes long) starts around 8 minutes to around 12 minutes and it is a plea to people/governments everywhere to return sacred objects to the earth (that needs re-balancing). These sacred items help the earth maintain balance. They include crystals, for example.

To me this feels important. Mother Earth is in a dying phase brought about by people raping it dry. This has got to end and we have to put back what we took (and give thanks).

Not so easy to do if you are in your little western fantasy world. But well worth the effort.

--
Update 7/30;
I meditated on this topic for a few days and came up with a little more information to share about earth needs. It feels like, on a very primal level, that everything exist for a reason for the planet. So if a certain mineral is in abundance in a particular point (on earth), it isn't an accidental placement of stone/materials/weight.

So this brings into view that the earth is a living being with needs. Exactly the needs are what are in question.

Funny how scientists/people who into destruction never ask this question. What does the planet need to have in order to stay a planet? They are too busy stripping it bare of resources to care.