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Shezbeth
7th February 2011, 06:34
May this information be of use. ^_^

I am posting this information in the Spirituality section because, as I will relate later, it's functional application is for the augmentation of meditation, focus, vibrational increase, and intent.

Throat singing is a practice where a person can audibly sing a base note (using the voice box) while simultaneously producing harmonic overtones by shaping the lips, mouth, and jaw to produce resonance. In this manner, a person can sing multiple notes, even chords, simultanously.

I have received NO training in this practice. My experience is entirely self-imposed. I saw it done once and it wasn't until years later that I puzzled it out myself. I have a bit of training in music, so I will use specific terms where available. I can try to clarify terms later if necessary.

The first step is to breath-whistle, where one imitates the mouth postures that produce a whistle, but not blowing enough to create the shrill tone. This breathing still produces a tone, just muted. Practice this. It can be done breathing in or out.

The second step is to find something that produces a constant (preferrably loud) tone, usually in the bass clef, and match that pitch until there is no variance (wa-wa-wa of the soundwaves overlapping).

The third step is to combine the two practices. Produce the bass tone in the presence of the 'generator' of the tone so that you can determine easily and quickly if one has strayed from the bass tone. Then add the breath-whistle practice to begin producing one's second tone while maintaining the bass tone. Go slowly. It might help if one has a keyboard handy to help to know the tones in question. The upper tone is produced by the mouth and throat, so experiment with different positions of the mouth and throat to determine which shapes produce which tones, while maintaining the base tone. For me it was VERY difficult to change the second tone while maintaining the first. The initial part of these practices is to train the voice box to maintain the tone no matter what the mouth does.

At this point I'll relate my personal experience, as it is difficult to prescribe the exact proceedure.

As I begins to develop, I found major scales to be useful. I would produce and hold a middle C bass tone, while slowly going up and down the C scale with the second tone. I practiced this for about a week before I began attempting more complicated configurations. Having studied the trumpet and voice, I had a wealth of different scales in memory - others may not and this may be more difficult. Individual results may vary.

Once I could readily produce a major scale, I went on to a chromatic scale. From there I went on to more complicated scales involving major second and third up and down. The purpose is to train the mouth to assume the correct posture for the upper tone without thinking, while still producing the bass tone.

Once I could do that, I began to use short songs. The first being the scottish bagpipe song Scotland the Brave. I didn't use the correct bass tone, I would still stick with C (which is the primary note produced by the machine I operate at work), but would produce the melody with the upper tone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q61XZZpIv0 - Scotland the Brave

Once I could do this with consistency, I would practice. Practice practice practice. Then, having gotten bored I practiced singing Amazing Grace, again with the C bass note and the melody in the upper tone. Again practice. Then I began to develop my own simple repetitious mantra, using the 'two' voices I had brought under control. Here's where it gets interesting.

I found that - as I experimented with various intensities of pitch - third, fourth, and even fifth tones could be produced when the various parts of the mouth were in proper alignment. This was EXTREMELY difficult to control, and required months to get a hold of, even years to the degree that I can now. As I began to express control, I would make the songs more complicated.

-- I should point out that while controlled by various portions of the mouth, the 3rd-5th tones are dependent on the bass tone. To that end, I will refer to the tones as follows:
Bass tone, Harmony tone(s), Melody tone.

The bass tone determines the harmony tones while the position of the mouth, jaw, and throad determines whether those tones are in tune with the bass and eachother. Without practice it can be quite dissonant. The melody tone is produced by the lips, and can therefore be done independent. Therefore when referring to the bass tone and harmony tones I will say bass chord.
--

I began to study Amazing Grace almost exclusively, for it allowed for the greatest utilization of harmony, though it necessitated a movement of the bass tone. If one is singing a major fifth chord, the chord must move or the melody will not coincide with the bass or harmony. To this end I would sing the bass chord in the following measure sequence in the key of C -
Measures 1-2: 1 chord
3: 4
4-6: 1
7-8: 5
9-10: 1
11: 4
12-13: 1
14: 5
15-16: 1

All this is and can be done producing the bass chord of at least 3 notes and the melody. I've actually gotten it up to 7 simultaneous notes, though some were different octaves of the same note.

I'll post more on the meditative application of these techniques later. Any questions or comments (tips?) can be PM'd or posted. I particularly want other who know about this stuff to comment!

Please don't quote in replies (if any). If you want to ask something specific, PM me.

^_^ Peace and good health!

Shezbeth
7th February 2011, 06:41
To MODs - Im not sure if this is the correct section to post this in, but as the practice of (which I intend to be the scope of discussion) is spiritual in nature I stuck it here.

I have used and continue to use Amazing Grace as the primary song in my arsenal. I suspect that it has to do with the underlying spiritual origins of the song and the message of the words. I'll also point out that when singing the song one does NOT sing the words, but it helps to think them. Oddly enough I am not nor have ever been christian or religious. o_O

In particular it is particularly effective toward personal/remote healing, and protection from negative spirits, entities and things in dreams/travels. Part of it is, IMO, the breathing requirements - it takes HUGE amounts of air to sing this way, and the rhythmic intake/exhalation of air causes an increase in energy. Additionally the multiple tones in harmony produces a tangible vibration that one can feel permeating the whole body.

Singing the song has produced astral travels, visions (future and past), and an overwhelming feeling of centeredness that often results in tears (much to the confusion of my co-workers ^_~).
I have also used the song Greensleeves to perform remote healing of emotional wounds of others (also reducing me to tears, again at work).

I'll point out that I operate a lumber machine that is entirely muscle memory, so while my body is hard at work, my awareness goes off to wherever is relevant to me.

The future viewings are only about 10% accurate, alluding to (IMO) the uncertainty of the future and the many possibilities that can pan out from the moment I experience the vision.
In the dream I mentioned, I was aware that it was a dream shortly before being beset by a human(oid) bald male who began to undermine my awareness and disposition. I suddenly became aware that it knew of me and that I was dreaming. I began singing Grace and it literally fled the scene after 'physically' recoiling from the song.

That's all I am inspired to include, though I'll try and come up with a proper microphone so I can share the song with you all. In the meantime,....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7gj0b0WZ80

A tutorial on throat singing with more in the sidebar

heyokah
7th February 2011, 07:09
When I am in my 'mayor fifth', I sometimes produce that base note simultaneously with those harmonic overtones while shaping my lips in delight...... ;-)

MariaDine
7th February 2011, 11:43
Two links to explore.
Namasté

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eOcQYOJ4KM

http://www.mozarteffect.com/RandR/index.html

jorr lundstrom
7th February 2011, 16:19
Shezbeth. You are a man with many aces in your sleeves. LOL

As retired I have very little time. But if I got a spare minute I will try this.

Thank you

Maria Stade
8th February 2011, 23:43
Thank you all, nice I will play with this LOL

spiritwind
18th April 2014, 16:24
To MODs - Im not sure if this is the correct section to post this in, but as the practice of (which I intend to be the scope of discussion) is spiritual in nature I stuck it here.

I have used and continue to use Amazing Grace as the primary song in my arsenal. I suspect that it has to do with the underlying spiritual origins of the song and the message of the words. I'll also point out that when singing the song one does NOT sing the words, but it helps to think them. Oddly enough I am not nor have ever been christian or religious. o_O

In particular it is particularly effective toward personal/remote healing, and protection from negative spirits, entities and things in dreams/travels. Part of it is, IMO, the breathing requirements - it takes HUGE amounts of air to sing this way, and the rhythmic intake/exhalation of air causes an increase in energy. Additionally the multiple tones in harmony produces a tangible vibration that one can feel permeating the whole body.

Singing the song has produced astral travels, visions (future and past), and an overwhelming feeling of centeredness that often results in tears (much to the confusion of my co-workers ^_~).
I have also used the song Greensleeves to perform remote healing of emotional wounds of others (also reducing me to tears, again at work).

I'll point out that I operate a lumber machine that is entirely muscle memory, so while my body is hard at work, my awareness goes off to wherever is relevant to me.

The future viewings are only about 10% accurate, alluding to (IMO) the uncertainty of the future and the many possibilities that can pan out from the moment I experience the vision.
In the dream I mentioned, I was aware that it was a dream shortly before being beset by a human(oid) bald male who began to undermine my awareness and disposition. I suddenly became aware that it knew of me and that I was dreaming. I began singing Grace and it literally fled the scene after 'physically' recoiling from the song.

That's all I am inspired to include, though I'll try and come up with a proper microphone so I can share the song with you all. In the meantime,....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7gj0b0WZ80

A tutorial on throat singing with more in the sidebar

Wow Shezbeth, I am quite blown away. I came here because you referenced this thread in Dawn's thread about possession by Jinn. I was told I couldn't sing all the time when I was a kid so for many years I wouldn't under any circumstances. That changed for many reasons in recent years. But, the interesting thing is, when I decided I was going to learn to sing better I extensively have worked with the song Amazing Grace, primarily because of it's potential range and because it was the only song I knew most of the words to. I have learned to really belt it out and it does make me feel energetically very good. I'm not religious anymore and did not grow up singing that song either. There are a couple others that I work with too. I'm not musically inclined at all so it was hard for me to understand all of what you wrote (about the musical science to it all) but I have experimented with what I can only call power singing. It has and does change my energy field in a good way.

Just a quick little story about that. We live on 40 rural acres and the owner has 2 dogs, a Great Pyrenees and a half Anatolian Shepherd and Great Pyrenees mix. They are big. And they are very efficient at being good livestock protectors and take their job seriously. Animals usually like me, but these 2 remained kind of standoffish for a long time. Then one night I was out talking to my goats and spontaneously felt like singing so I belted out this song a couple of times with great energy like I was singing to the universe. I kind of had my eyes closed and next thing you know I open my eyes and see both dogs running toward me from a distance with tails wagging and fast too. They bounded up to me like I was their long lost friend they hadn't seen in a while and have been noticeably more engaging every since. So there is definitely something to this. Thank you so much for sharing this link in the other thread.

Dawn
18th April 2014, 17:54
Spiritwind: And they are very efficient at being good livestock protectors and take their job seriously. Animals usually like me, but these 2 remained kind of standoffish for a long time. Then one night I was out talking to my goats and spontaneously felt like singing so I belted out this song a couple of times with great energy like I was singing to the universe. I kind of had my eyes closed and next thing you know I open my eyes and see both dogs running toward me from a distance with tails wagging and fast too. They bounded up to me like I was their long lost friend they hadn't seen in a while and have been noticeably more engaging every since.

I too spent years singing Amazing Grace. I eventually learned to bring the singing up from my 1st chakra and allow my voice to ride on the rising kundalini energy. Once I had that down I could bring almost anyone to tears. When I sing this now it is like a full cellular massage and all of the cells in my body align. The feeling is delight beyond speaking of it.

Meanwhile, about dogs. I learned one day that my dogs responded when I directed my voice through my heart chakra. I learned this quite by accident after a long night hiking in the woods. After that day I always opened my heart chakra and sent the 'wind of my energy' out through it at the same time that I made sound with my voice. After that time my relationship with them changed. They began to listen alertly to me every time I spoke to them... and they would do what ever I asked. Then, a couple of years later they taught me to send pictures to them at the same time... AHHH... full communication between us. I found that dogs can use this form of communication over very long distances and with pinpoint accuracy. They are an amazing species!

Billy
18th April 2014, 19:38
I manage some Mongolian overtone singing. I use it when meditating. My call for dogs. Dolphins also. When i go to the river i overtone when feeding swans and ducks, Now when i go and they are not around, I overtone and the swans will fly in and land beside me. I also have two crows that i can call at my caravan. I overtone and they arrive to give them scraps of food. One day i had basking sharks of in the distance about a mile out at sea, I overtoned and one came within a few feet of me.

Peace.

Dawn
18th April 2014, 19:54
Billy: I manage some Mongolian overtone singing. I use it when meditating. My call for dogs. Dolphins also. When i go to the river i overtone when feeding swans and ducks, Now when i go and they are not around, I overtone and the swans will fly in and land beside me. I also have two crows that i can call at my caravan. I overtone and they arrive to give them scraps of food. One day i had basking sharks of in the distance about a mile out at sea, I overtoned and one came within a few feet of me.

I am incredibly impressed Billy... WOW... basking sharks! Thank you for sharing. I wish I had a deep male voice, though I can do pretty well with my female one. I am now inspired to work on overtoning.

Shezbeth
18th April 2014, 19:57
The performance I observed was in 1997, with a group of Tuvanese Throat Singers (Tuvania being a small province of Mongolia) and my practice is derived from their performance (but without any direct training).

Animals are curious, I have drawn/calmed/encouraged some animals by use of overtones - especially stray/homeless ones - and in other cases animals are quite disturbed and run; two of my cats get sleepy, and one gets alarmed and runs away; it has occurred to me that she could possess a spirit or vice versa (she's an otherwise insufferably spoiled brat in demeanor - Teji for those who have read the tale).

The primary 'mechanism' behind overtone throat singing (which is not unique to the East), is it creates a very intense multi-level vibration that seems to permeate the air and surrounding environment above and beyond 'normal' sound vibration. I can't say how this affects or interacts with spirits and entities, but the response is immediate and unmistakable in my experience.

Billy
18th April 2014, 21:14
I am incredibly impressed Billy... WOW... basking sharks! Thank you for sharing. I wish I had a deep male voice, though I can do pretty well with my female one. I am now inspired to work on overtoning.

There is no deep male voice required, Anyone has this within them whether male or female. Just takes practice.

kvTCBGOhgkQ

I have a wee bit footage, Doing my call for peace up a mountain and inside an Abbey. You can skip to the 8.30 - 12 min mark in this video.

-M4RxNXiHVg




And a few years ago i was asked if i could put some overtones into this song by Miss Magikal. It was done over skype, so not that great.

3min mark and at the end.



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This was my teacher. Michael Ormiston. I attended his workshops.

Ypn78YHTxGk

peace.

spiritwind
5th December 2014, 18:37
In 1999 I had the wonderful opportunity to participate in a 3 day event called the Long Dance put on by a group called Svaha Spirit Lodge. It was a life changing experience. For the life of me I cannot remember the man's name who actually wrote this song for the event, but have wanted to share it somewhere for some time. I live in a very wild and natural forest setting with a couple of springs within walking distance. I have to walk our new puppy/LGD (livestock guardian) several times a day and have taken to singing to the trees. This a great song to sing to the trees and imagine your roots growing into the ground and your spirit soaring up into the sky. Very simple, but sung with all you've got, it's quite powerful. I am a very active person so this is kind of the way I meditate.

Tree of life in the center
Tree of life all around
Tree of life growing taller
Rooted in the ground

Tree of life after lifetime
Tree of life never dies
Tree of Earth Mother Spirit
Tree of Father Sky

Dawn
4th March 2015, 18:58
Billy: There is no deep male voice required, Anyone has this within them whether male or female. Just takes practice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvTCBGOhgkQ


Hi Billy, I have been going through threads I haven't checked in with for a while and found this gift from you. It is interesting to me that
somehow hearing a female do this was the inspiration I needed to more deeply understand it. I spent about 20 minutes practicing today and
'got it' immediately. My body is supercharged in this moment because I just finished my practice. I have a great deal of energy in my lower
chakra area (ie genitals) and throughout my body. I not only used the overtoning (chambers in my skull), but also the perineum tension, and a few mudras during
my practice.

I did a short film when done, however I will not submit it (yet) because the overtones are much quieter than my normal vocal chord voice. In my
own experience my skull is filled with delightful high tones similar to the video cited by you. These high tones vibrate throughout my entire body
and all of my skeleton during the practice, leaving it filled with energy and continuous vibration even 10 minutes after the practice.

Wow! I am so grateful to you for posting this thread and the female video.... On my knees in gratitude to you.

Note: mudras are another thing TPTB have suppressed. In fact there has been at least one murder of a man who was doing scientific research on these. (I wish I could remember his name) He was able to discover many changes in the physical body caused by holding a mudra for a short time.... even positions which caused the body to release its own antibiotics. Here is a link to a short slide show that simply explains some of them and the effects they have on the body. Did you know that prayer position is a very important mudra, for it connects all of the chi channels in the body so that they fully circulate. I finished todays overtone practice with this (prayer hands) mudra:
http://www.slideshare.net/ravichamp/10-mudras-to-help-your-body

Joe Sustaire
5th March 2015, 15:16
Thank you Dawn for the info on mudras!
I printed off the 10 mudras shown in your slide link and will start trying this out.