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Adrian86
7th February 2011, 08:02
Hello. I have a serious concern about a choice my sister has to make in the very near future.

She stated to me that she needs to have various vaccinations in order to be granted entry into her bachelor of animal science course as stated in the subject outline and course requirements section on her University website.

she will 'need' to get shots for:

q-fever
swine flu
tetanus

Can i have an honest opinion on these vaccines?

I can understand the reasoning behind the concern about 'swine-flu' as she would have to visit piggeries and other animal enclosures... but having done some reading in the past on the topic of swine flu - it seemed that the vaccine only brought about more trouble that its worth, not to mention that the idea of vaccination in general could be potentially disastrous to ones immune system.

Surely she cant be legally forced to take all vaccines... I find that absurd.

If possible, can i please have some information and advice in order to pass onto her to inform her about the real dangers of getting these vaccines... especially 'swine-flu'.

Is there some sort of legal document or conscientious objection form she can fill out and pass on to skip the immunization process?

I don't want to see my sister end up with something like Guillain–Barré syndrome...

~Adrian

jorr lundstrom
7th February 2011, 08:21
I am impressed. Soon youll have to take those vaccines to be let into the supermarket.

I have no advices, all I can say is that I am gonna defend myself, with weapons if

necessary against all vaccines. And there is conditions worse than Guillan-Barre´syndrome.

In my work I took care of a ten year old girl with that syndrome some years ago. And she is

okey today. I hope you can find out away for your sister to avoid those vaccines. With love

lake
7th February 2011, 09:14
Hi Adrian86
Don't know if you have seen this website called The International Medical Council on Vaccination http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/about/
From what they say it is an association of medical doctors, registered nurses and other qualified medical professionals.

I agree that your sister will have to make a very important choice, which will need to be as informed as possible, but can only be made by her.

gary

chelmostef
7th February 2011, 09:27
Hello. I have a serious concern about a choice my sister has to make in the very near future.

She stated to me that she needs to have various vaccinations in order to be granted entry into her bachelor of animal science course as stated in the subject outline and course requirements section on her University website.

~Adrian

This would worrie me to, I really do understand your concern... My family think I look into things to much, although I do warn them on various issues it is personal choice it the end of the day...

That being said if your sister does not want the vaccine then it should be her choice to have it or not....

There are three options I would consider If I was your sister.

1) Take the vaccine this way your get to go to the uni of her choice (Not one I would even consider)

2)Fight this on application but there would be a risk you not being let in on a another issue so this would have to be done in such a way that non acceptance would be because of the vaccine. And then fight from there(Which is completely ridiculous having to even consider this and they still might not let your sister in to the uni)

3)Get into uni but never get the shots and try and deal with being kicked out later on (This might be a what I might consider but does have is own disadvantages one being worried about being kicked out)

Perhaps there are more options....


It's seems there is a fight for corruption at every level!

Isthatso
7th February 2011, 10:01
She may like to look at this website -

http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Vaccines-A-Religious-Contention-

I've heard you can refuse due to religious beliefs - not sure of the process but worth looking into. There is usually a way around it if you do some research and stick to your standpoint...don't be bullied.

Warm wishes...

take
7th February 2011, 10:11
Hi. You asked for an honest opinion, so here's mine. Hope your sister makes the right decision, whatever it is. And whatever she chooses, I'm sure it is the right choise for her. So no worries, mate..
Since it's animal science I presume they are somewhat in touch with animals, dead and alive. Not all vaccinations are bad and therefore 2 out of those three are absolutely in place IMO. But swine flu... that's a different story.

Hope I could actually help you here, but I'm afraid your sister is the only one who can, since she's the one who has to choose.
Take care.

Bo Atkinson
7th February 2011, 11:46
many leading critical examples (?) with professional information, forum, books, dvds

http://www.vaccinenation.net/

conk
7th February 2011, 15:42
Hi. You asked for an honest opinion, so here's mine. Hope your sister makes the right decision, whatever it is. And whatever she chooses, I'm sure it is the right choise for her. So no worries, mate..
Since it's animal science I presume they are somewhat in touch with animals, dead and alive. Not all vaccinations are bad and therefore 2 out of those three are absolutely in place IMO. But swine flu... that's a different story.

Hope I could actually help you here, but I'm afraid your sister is the only one who can, since she's the one who has to choose.
Take care.

It's easy to say that not all vaccines are bad, but when the drug makers have been caught red-handed intentionally placing harmful substances in the vaccines it's hard to trust. These are people with a dark agenda. This is not fear-mongering, it is studied fact! They continue their egregious practices, knowing that even billions in fines is just a cost of doing business.

We don't allow our children to be vaccinated. Our naturopathic doctor signs a statement that our children's physiology doesn't like them. The schools accept this statement and stop harassing the kids.

take
7th February 2011, 16:08
It's easy to say that not all vaccines are bad, but when the drug makers have been caught red-handed intentionally placing harmful substances in the vaccines it's hard to trust. These are people with a dark agenda. This is not fear-mongering, it is studied fact! They continue their egregious practices, knowing that even billions in fines is just a cost of doing business.

We don't allow our children to be vaccinated. Our naturopathic doctor signs a statement that our children's physiology doesn't like them. The schools accept this statement and stop harassing the kids.

Thank you for your reply.

Yes, I know precisely what you mean and respect your views on the subject. I'm well aware of all the corruption, lobbing and the business-driven agendas that some (if not most) of the pharmatic companies have.
When stating that all vaccines aren't bad, I am definitely not saying that they'd all be good, or that everyone reacts in the same way to any one vaccine.
Nevertheless, the fact being that Adrian's sister is possibly going to be dealing with dead an alive animals, I would take at least the two vaccinations myself. And that is just my honest, personal opinion.
My point being, not all vaccines are bad for everyone, and not all are good for everyone either. And that is exactly why I honour your and your family's desicion. Nothing in this world is just black or just white, and I'm glad we still got people who can think for theirselves. :thumb:

Take care.

karelia
7th February 2011, 23:43
Adrian, if you're in Australia, there are no mandatory vaccinations. Go to this site: http://www.avn.org.au/ to find out the actual law.

If you're in the US, there are only two states where it's next to impossible to enter school/uni without vaccinations, and those are West Virginia and Mississippi. ALL other states have either religious or philosophical exemptions or both.

Take, I would be extremely careful to assume that not all vaccines are bad. I researched the subject for a few years, after having been challenged by someone who claimed that not a single gold standard study existed, comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated. It's true that such study does not exist. It is also true that all the studies that conclude vaccines are beneficial are financed by pharma companies, directly or indirectly.

nearing
7th February 2011, 23:49
I know you are in another country but Dr. Sherri Tenpenny (http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx) is the foremost authority on how to say no to vaccines.

If I were in your shoes, I would write her or even call her and ask her advise asap.

Good luck!

:boxing:

John White
8th February 2011, 01:17
Hello. I have a serious concern about a choice my sister has to make in the very near future.

She stated to me that she needs to have various vaccinations in order to be granted entry into her bachelor of animal science course as stated in the subject outline and course requirements section on her University website.

she will 'need' to get shots for:

q-fever
swine flu
tetanus

Can i have an honest opinion on these vaccines?

I can understand the reasoning behind the concern about 'swine-flu' as she would have to visit piggeries and other animal enclosures... but having done some reading in the past on the topic of swine flu - it seemed that the vaccine only brought about more trouble that its worth, not to mention that the idea of vaccination in general could be potentially disastrous to ones immune system.

Surely she cant be legally forced to take all vaccines... I find that absurd.

If possible, can i please have some information and advice in order to pass onto her to inform her about the real dangers of getting these vaccines... especially 'swine-flu'.

Is there some sort of legal document or conscientious objection form she can fill out and pass on to skip the immunization process?

I don't want to see my sister end up with something like Guillain–Barré syndrome...

~Adrian

FWIW: (just opinion: NOT Legal advice, always seek a lawyer etc)

Serve Notice on the University requiring them to take full commercial liability for any harm or loss as a result of having these vaccines

Include a fee schedule of $1,000,000 for each and any instance of ANY of the side effects listed by the vaccine manufacturers for the vaccine: list them all

Declare you require the university to do so to protect lawful rights of the human entity under UN declaration of human rights

Require the university to provide full documentation of what legislative authority they have to require these vaccinations as part of access to education

Inform them that failure to do so constitutes denial of access to education, a universal right, and discrimination against those protecting their human rights as defined by international law

Give them 14 days for reply or rebuttal, all information required in full:

Failure to do so will constitute their clauses void and any further attempt to block access to education unlawful discrimination

And watch them sweat:)

John White
8th February 2011, 01:21
Of course in practise your sister would have to do it for herself, but that is a route by which this kind of malarkey can be challenged. The trick is to make the potential financial risk of trying to force her to have the vaccines far greater than the potential financial risk of her contracting one of the 3 diseases while on the course... which is all this is, corporate butt covering

onawah
8th February 2011, 05:37
There have been many excellent articles and interviews recently on sites like the Natural News website and Dr. Mercola's website about vaccines, and the National Vaccine Information Center site. Personally, I think the "science " behind vaccines was wrong from the beginning and has only gotten worse over time.
Here are some links where you will find a wealth of well documented information:

http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines.html

http://vaccines.mercola.com/

http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=0CDBE1A9930CC8A14EEEB139A183D8C9

http://www.nvic.org/