Are the 33 (427) bloodlines reincarnated Reptilians in Human bodies: the Real Hybrids

[Hypothetical]

This is thought piece and my opinion why we should not try to affect this timeline.
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Just as humans reincarnate so do the reptilians. They like all sentient beings reincarnate. After a major cooling period (the ice age?) the reptiles were wiped off of the face of the earth in physical form but they were not gone. They began to reincarnate as humans and because they were an advanced race they were capable of retaining self-awareness of the soul in between reincarnations they were aware that they were not humans but reptilians. This was the start of the bloodlines of the 33. They eventually grouped together and formulated an agenda to return themselves back to their original reptilian physical form. They quickly realized with their ability retain knowledge through reincarnations was a powerful tool to allow them to control the humans. They could have everything they wanted before by way of a slave race but the only downside was they were humans in form. The other 427 were reincarnations that occurred later on (generations) in sequential time to the original 33 which had already grouped to form a cohesive group.

They had advanced technology prior to the cooling event and were able to rediscover it as it became opportune in the future. They built the pyramids as a way of storing technology and knowledge through this event. The original 33 (purists) had created rules they followed that would allow them to retain control over the humans while not interfering with most of their day to day lives since this may awaken the humans to the fact that they were still amongst the population. They needed us to evolve to be used for their chores including the DNA work to return to reptilian form. Since before the cooling event the populations were probably more equal in size but since the humans survived the event their numbers afterwards were much larger. The human population continued to grow exponentially and this caused concern for the reptilian bloodlines because their numbers were so small in relation that it provided a possible challenge for them to manage. They really savored this position of strength but with all great concepts there is always going to be contentions and ultimately it led to the recent breakdown of the group. The 427 first began to cause problems because they were viewed as lesser to the 33 because they weren’t as pure. However eventually it made its way to the 33 which now to has broken up. The main catalyst for this breakdown is described below.

Their goal of returning to a reptilian species was possibly forgotten over time and they got comfortable with the human skin they were in. The amazing benefit of this was having a race of slaves just as they had originally planned.

They became aware of a Creator Power supervising over this entire evolution of souls on earth, which was the mixture of two races into one. It was never intended to happen this way but made the experiment much more interesting. The 33 realized that another event was going to occur and that after that event the humans would drastically change. They were told by external forces (ET and higher dimensional beings) that this would happen and that they could either choose to be good and honorable and at one spiritually with their human brethren or they would be returned to source. They were told the humans would become 4/5 dimensional beings. They would also become powerful at manifesting (creating). The jig would be up we all would be in the know as to the ones amongst us that were like us physically but not so historically. Some felt this was a great time to make amends for their pasts and accept their life amongst the human’s official and embrace the upcoming change. However most of them felt that they should prevent this from happening which included an option of using some of the alien technology against these ET’s, Higher dimensional Beings and the Creator(s). They created plans to place fear in us all to help prevent the stimulation of spirituality. 2012 doomsday, alien invasion, asteroid impact, Planet X, now financial, etc. were all highlighted as fear measures. They controlled most (All?) media and used it to brainwash us to stay asleep while they worked on a plan to stop this inevitable upcoming event.

Charles and his master are hopefully not playing everyone here at Avalon. I hope they have intended to work with us as brethren with a goal of embracing the change and prevent the destruction of the remnants of the 33+ who have decided to fight on in an attempt to stop the inevitable. The computer (machine) has told them that there is no way to stop this and they hope to have enough mass mind power 40k people focused on vision to create a new timeline. I like this one just fine. I’ve waited 10 lifetimes to break free from this reality. I’d be happy to have all humans, hybrids, reptiles, etc. join me as we ascend to the next challenge life brings.

I leave this as a thought piece. Feel free to discuss, comment and question my viewpoint as you see fit. I’m continuing to evolve these thoughts and would be happy to give revisions and addendums as I clarify them myself as it is a working in progress. BTW There are many non-hybrid humans that also can remember their soul’s purpose between lives. I think this is mine. I choose to embrace the changes. I expect much chaos before the phoenix rises.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Thank you for this interesting post. It seems extraordinarily detailed to be pure conjecture. Do you have any confirmation of these ideas in past life recall or current life experience? Everything you discuss seems plausible and in line with other information being discussed. It is extremely thought provoking!

[Hypothetical]

I'd rather not share that if you don't mind its not a secret and I don't mean to be guarded but I feel this thought stands stronger if simply read and challenged independently of the reasons of how or why I wrote it. I choose to stay positive in thinking and do not wish to enter into a heated debate to defend it since it is simply my opinion and others have theirs. I will say however it took some divine type of intervention for me to be here. I wasn't looking for this forum but was directed here.

[ArjunaArcana]

Pardon my question but I have been intrigued regarding this reptile stuff all over the web, but what proof do we actually have or what prove does humanity actually have in regards to the existence of this species?

I have heard a lot of people all over the web, but none of them has provided proof to back up their claims.

I am not closing my mind on the subject, for it could be possible that a sauroid species could have developed on this planet eons ago, but could have been totally diffferent to what we have heard about, in regards to their behavior and modus operandi.

I have heard things such as ritualistic behavior on these beings but if you come to think of it we all behave ritualistically one way or the other.

Once again, I do not want to close my mind on the subject but if someone could point out the evidence I would certainly appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I understand Hypothetical, and respect your privacy. I am not interested in debating the authenticity, either. My personal awakening is accelerating and as information and awareness come together I am trying to place my knowing in a larger frame of reference. Much of your post falls in line with and reinforces information arriving from other sources. Namaste.

[bluestflame]

ido get that having reverse engineered alien technology in the hands of some , has upset the balance of power

and cos it's reverse engineered they are still learning how to use it , so mistakes can happen "experimental collaterl "

not all the effects of the use of the technology are readily apparent , of obvious ( intuitively speaking )

just a sharing

[Hypothetical]

Pardon my question but I have been intrigued regarding this reptile stuff all over the web, but what proof do we actually have or what prove does humanity actually have in regards to the existence of this species?

I have heard a lot of people all over the web, but none of them has provided proof to back up their claims.

I am not closing my mind on the subject, for it could be possible that a sauroid species could have developed on this planet eons ago, but could have been totally diffferent to what we have heard about, in regards to their behavior and modus operandi.

I have heard things such as ritualistic behavior on these beings but if you come to think of it we all behave ritualistically one way or the other.

Once again, I do not want to close my mind on the subject but if someone could point out the evidence I would certainly appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

You most likely believe ET's exist. Do you feel that they all would be humanoid? Sometimes you simply need to accept the possibility. I wouldn't be concerned about it you are the master of your own destiny no matter what anyone says to you.

[Hypothetical]

Let’s suppose that the 33 may or may not be breaking up. That in fact a faction or all of them did desire to recruit Avalonians to adjust the timeline. Should we assume that it’s for our mutual benefit? Many seem to have taken that position lock, stock and barrel. Let’s simply question that intent and possible repercussions. It’s very probable that their computer modeling and remote viewing are showing no scenario in which they continue on as they have, which is in control of the rest of us. Let’s also think about why they may have approached Avalon. We were told because Avalon could provide a perfect model to build our new world on. Really? Wow, without being too rude to anyone’s Ego here that model would be very lacking IMHO. That is a not a slight at anyone here. But to compare a forum where people meet to discuss how we’re all being suppressed of our true potential by TPTB is not the best foundation of a perfect community is it? I’m a member of other forums where similar information is shared but less so questioned in a debate that becomes divisive and unproductive. These other sites not only state that members must respect one another but enforce it. How many times have you watched a dialog spiral into outright anger and contempt of alternative views? I’ve been here since The first of January and I’ve watched quite a few. Discussions are left in public view for all to see and this only adds fuel to others to allow their Ego’s to grow negatively. I’m not saying everything here is bad actually contrary to that I see a lot of great value in what is done here but it is losing its original shine.

The 33 see the need to change the timeline nut because they are reptilian human hybrids their manifesting strength is limited or nonexistent. Human souls have a unique or much more powerful manifesting ability. The way the 33 maintained controls over us was by limiting our manifesting abilities through the use of fear and chemicals such as fluoride, aspartame, chemtrails, etc. The last hope for them was to recruit us to create a new timeline and harness our manifesting abilities. So where can they go to get a group large enough (40k) to manifest this into reality? Youtube for sure would give them the eyes and ears but it wasn’t properly managed as a cohesive group. They needed a group where they all knew the existence of the 33 and distrusted/despised them thoroughly. They needed people from all over the world and from various walks of life. They needed people who were open to non-mainstream concepts such as aliens, reptiles, enlightenment, etc. They needed a spot where debate was allowed to occur even though it was divisible at times. They needed a spot where the people were all searching for the answers to the meaning of life and all the details in between. They need a location where a pure positive approach was frowned upon and that there was a group of survivalists strong in the ranks of the management. They needed a spot where there was a top person and that person had considerable sway over other’s thought evolution. This leader had to as well be set in his mindset that his/her vision was pure and thus set in stone in their mind. Where is that location? Avalon that’s where!

So if you’re not too angry with my synopsis please read on.

So step one was finding the group, which they had. Step 2 was to convince everyone that a member of the 33 had a change of heart on allowing our destruction and wanted to assist the rest of us in a low probability, last ditch attempt to include a few of us in their future. This was successful but they also needed to do Step 3 which was to begin to influence the forum and force out those that will cause harm to their plan. Have you looked around lately? Some very senior members have vacated the building. Sure they pop back in once and a while but they are not active. These and some other members who would be able to prevent this takeover have been attacked psychically (causing damage in at least one known case), through the destroying of character of others (one very sadly dismissed as a charlatan, I Disagree) and to another extent by simply ignoring the remaining ones in any kind of Q&A. They felt that step was successful and now moved on to grooming our minds to accomplish the next step. That step is the filtering of the best manifesting minds that they can easily control for their timeline change. So that is where we are today its ongoing and going very well. They sit back and watch as the debates/arguing go on and on keeping score of the ones they want.

I will stop here by saying the following. We are all here for common goals as I stated above but please don’t leave your discernment abilities out of the equation. I will not post another one of these messages so for those who are bothered by them you need not be concerned. For those who see as a boot in the butt to wake up, stay awake. For the 33 or whoever you are here influencing this group I send you white light from the source as you know I am a good conduit for it and to you I want to thank you for placing me back on track to my true goal of enlightenment.

This timeline is perfect just the way it is. All are welcome we are all one. Good Times!

[Fredkc]

Are the 33 (427) bloodlines reincarnated Reptilians in Human bodies?
No.
Fred

[Hypothetical]

Are the 33 (427) bloodlines reincarnated Reptilians in Human bodies?
No.
Fred

I love your definitive answer. Do you have any concrete proof to back it up?

Thanks
Karl

[Shairia]

Since this is all opinion, my feeling has always been that the ruling bloodlines were the original kings put in place by the Annunaki and privy to their technology and secrets. The priestlines might also be included in this group.

[Fredkc]

Do you have any concrete proof to back it up?
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Still No.

But consider this;
Whatever variation of the Reptile belief you happen to like,
1. They have the moon and the stars to choose from. Quite literally. Nothing that special about humans, and their condition really. Earth either, for that matter.
The "opportunity" in being human lies in consciousness, not in the meat, or place we inhabit. Try as they wish, they cannot be us. "Trying on our skin" is a cheap imitation even I wouldn't settle for. Even if you accept the possibility they "built us", then the best you can get from incarnating as us is akin to taking a drug. Interesting, a few times, but in the end it simply becomes a habit.

2. If you subscribe to the notion we are some "slave race" for their convenience then it comes to a new question:
If you have oxen to plow your field, why would you want to live the ox's life?

Now you can side-step this analogy by assuming they are only interested in incarnating within the "pure blood lines". This changes the question, but only slightly:
How long can you entertain yourself as the ox's groom?

[Hypothetical]

Do you have any concrete proof to back it up?
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Still No.

But consider this;
Whatever variation of the Reptile belief you happen to like,
1. They have the moon and the stars to choose from. Quite literally. Nothing that special about humans, and their condition really. Earth either, for that matter.
The "opportunity" in being human lies in consciousness, not in the meat, or place we inhabit. Try as they wish, they cannot be us. "Trying on our skin" is a cheap imitation even I wouldn't settle for. Even if you accept the possibility they "built us", then the best you can get from incarnating as us is akin to taking a drug. Interesting, a few times, but in the end it simply becomes a habit.

2. If you subscribe to the notion we are some "slave race" for their convenience then it comes to a new question:
If you have oxen to plow your field, why would you want to live the ox's life?

Now you can side-step this analogy by assuming they are only interested in incarnating within the "pure blood lines". This changes the question, but only slightly:
How long can you entertain yourself as the ox's groom?

Thank you for your opinion. I truly appreciate your thoughts and perspective. The best part of this exchange is that we both are exchanging views and opinions and either one of us could be partially/completely right or wrong. Clearly we disagree on perspectives but its important to have differences to understand commonalties.

I would like to clarify I don't view all reptilians as evil. On the contrary actually I believe there is good and bad in all things and I think we are all attached as one so what I hate about others reflects upon myself.

[norman]

Do you have any concrete proof to back it up?
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Still No.

But consider this;
Whatever variation of the Reptile belief you happen to like,
1. They have the moon and the stars to choose from. Quite literally. Nothing that special about humans, and their condition really. Earth either, for that matter.
The "opportunity" in being human lies in consciousness, not in the meat, or place we inhabit. Try as they wish, they cannot be us. "Trying on our skin" is a cheap imitation even I wouldn't settle for. Even if you accept the possibility they "built us", then the best you can get from incarnating as us is akin to taking a drug. Interesting, a few times, but in the end it simply becomes a habit.

2. If you subscribe to the notion we are some "slave race" for their convenience then it comes to a new question:
If you have oxen to plow your field, why would you want to live the ox's life?

Now you can side-step this analogy by assuming they are only interested in incarnating within the "pure blood lines". This changes the question, but only slightly:
How long can you entertain yourself as the ox's groom?

Hello Fred,

You make a lot of sense in that post but I want to throw another element into the mix of things to consider with your shrewd logic.

If our experience with the reptilians is anything to go by, they are not likely to be the nicest guys on anyone's block. Wherever they went from Giza platform 1 probably 17,000 years ago, they are not likely to be very welcome. Or, they found a very unpleasant planet or moon somewhere that no one else wanted.

They are very likely to be homesick for this planet that they have every right to call home. The environment changed here and weakened them to the point of having to find an alternative fix for their problem at the time. If the environment is still not good for them they have 2 choices.

1) Return as humans.

2) Return gradually as they warm up the planet until they can bring all their cold blooded relatives with them too.


Question: ( I'm too lazy to look it up ) Were Dinosaurs cold blooded?

Since Charles made that last big post about the reptiles I've been thinking about the Dinosaurs a lot. We know there were some that were very intelligent and fast on their feet. It's quite believable that some of them survived whatever nobbled the rest. They would have been very tweakable just as hominids were.

If that turns out to be the truth ( or very close ) I think we have a major problem on our hands. The retilians probably have the deeds of the planet in the bank with a much older date stamp than anything we humans could produce

[PHARAOH]

Pardon my question but I have been intrigued regarding this reptile stuff all over the web, but what proof do we actually have or what prove does humanity actually have in regards to the existence of this species?

I have heard a lot of people all over the web, but none of them has provided proof to back up their claims.

I am not closing my mind on the subject, for it could be possible that a sauroid species could have developed on this planet eons ago, but could have been totally diffferent to what we have heard about, in regards to their behavior and modus operandi.

I have heard things such as ritualistic behavior on these beings but if you come to think of it we all behave ritualistically one way or the other.

Once again, I do not want to close my mind on the subject but if someone could point out the evidence I would certainly appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

ArjunaArcana,

All you need to do is look closely at yourself and you will see the Reptilian that is in you and your genetics. ex. webbed hands and feet, shedding of skin, you look Reptilian for the 1st 3 mths in the womb, you breathed in water for 9 mths, small tail bone at the end of your spine, the Reptilian part of your brain (research), also see what semen/ sea-man look like under a microscope, tadpoles. Hope this helps.

[Hypothetical]

Pardon my question but I have been intrigued regarding this reptile stuff all over the web, but what proof do we actually have or what prove does humanity actually have in regards to the existence of this species?

I have heard a lot of people all over the web, but none of them has provided proof to back up their claims.

I am not closing my mind on the subject, for it could be possible that a sauroid species could have developed on this planet eons ago, but could have been totally diffferent to what we have heard about, in regards to their behavior and modus operandi.

I have heard things such as ritualistic behavior on these beings but if you come to think of it we all behave ritualistically one way or the other.

Once again, I do not want to close my mind on the subject but if someone could point out the evidence I would certainly appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

ArjunaArcana,

All you need to do is look closely at yourself and you will see the Reptilian that is in you and your genetics. ex. webbed hands and feet, shedding of skin, you look Reptilian for the 1st 3 mths in the womb, you breathed in water for 9 mths, small tail bone at the end of your spine, the Reptilian part of your brain (research), also see what semen/ sea-man look like under a microscope, tadpoles. Hope this helps.

Thats a very astute observation and without a doubt I believe that there is reptilian DNA within our structure. But there is also some of us in theirs.

[Hypothetical]

Do you have any concrete proof to back it up?
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Still No.

But consider this;
Whatever variation of the Reptile belief you happen to like,
1. They have the moon and the stars to choose from. Quite literally. Nothing that special about humans, and their condition really. Earth either, for that matter.
The "opportunity" in being human lies in consciousness, not in the meat, or place we inhabit. Try as they wish, they cannot be us. "Trying on our skin" is a cheap imitation even I wouldn't settle for. Even if you accept the possibility they "built us", then the best you can get from incarnating as us is akin to taking a drug. Interesting, a few times, but in the end it simply becomes a habit.

2. If you subscribe to the notion we are some "slave race" for their convenience then it comes to a new question:
If you have oxen to plow your field, why would you want to live the ox's life?

Now you can side-step this analogy by assuming they are only interested in incarnating within the "pure blood lines". This changes the question, but only slightly:
How long can you entertain yourself as the ox's groom?

Hello Fred,

You make a lot of sense in that post but I want to throw another element into the mix of things to consider with your shrewd logic.

If our experience with the reptilians is anything to go by, they are not likely to be the nicest guys on anyone's block. Wherever they went from Giza platform 1 probably 17,000 years ago, they are not likely to be very welcome. Or, they found a very unpleasant planet or moon somewhere that no one else wanted.

They are very likely to be homesick for this planet that they have every right to call home. The environment changed here and weakened them to the point of having to find an alternative fix for their problem at the time. If the environment is still not good for them they have 2 choices.

1) Return as humans.

2) Return gradually as they warm up the planet until they can bring all their cold blooded relatives with them too.


Question: ( I'm too lazy to look it up ) Were Dinosaurs cold blooded?

Since Charles made that last big post about the reptiles I've been thinking about the Dinosaurs a lot. We know there were some that were very intelligent and fast on their feet. It's quite believable that some of them survived whatever nobbled the rest. They would have been very tweakable just as hominids were.

If that turns out to be the truth ( or very close ) I think we have a major problem on our hands. The retilians probably have the deeds of the planet in the bank with a much older date stamp than anything we humans could produce

1) I agree very likely some of them were able to leave for other places using technology left here from the creators or earlier civilizations possible even their own technology. Were they the 33 maybe but I suspect that the ones that died from the ice age returned as reincarnations of humans. The Hindus believe we can reincarnate as any living animal so this theory has merit in the spiritual realm as well.

2) Likely some reptilians have returned and others from other sections of the universe have also come here over the years. They likely are more superior technologically to the earth based ones and have likely fought them to take power from them.

Yes the dinosaurs were cold blooded. Again I agree some have returned and others like them have come anew. I wouldn't worry, the darkest hour is just before dawn.

[myrm]

You may know about initiation in the pyramids of Egypt or the pyramids tunnels full of crocodiles...alligators whichever was contained there. ever see statues of such creatures in pictures on egypt? they are absolutely real beings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7JF0aGdaI0&playnext=1&list=PLA22A78B679F473E5

[TWINNICK]

Let’s suppose that the 33 may or may not be breaking up. That in fact a faction or all of them did desire to recruit Avalonians to adjust the timeline. Should we assume that it’s for our mutual benefit? Many seem to have taken that position lock, stock and barrel. Let’s simply question that intent and possible repercussions. It’s very probable that their computer modeling and remote viewing are showing no scenario in which they continue on as they have, which is in control of the rest of us. Let’s also think about why they may have approached Avalon. We were told because Avalon could provide a perfect model to build our new world on. Really? Wow, without being too rude to anyone’s Ego here that model would be very lacking IMHO. That is a not a slight at anyone here. But to compare a forum where people meet to discuss how we’re all being suppressed of our true potential by TPTB is not the best foundation of a perfect community is it? I’m a member of other forums where similar information is shared but less so questioned in a debate that becomes divisive and unproductive. These other sites not only state that members must respect one another but enforce it. How many times have you watched a dialog spiral into outright anger and contempt of alternative views? I’ve been here since The first of January and I’ve watched quite a few. Discussions are left in public view for all to see and this only adds fuel to others to allow their Ego’s to grow negatively. I’m not saying everything here is bad actually contrary to that I see a lot of great value in what is done here but it is losing its original shine.

The 33 see the need to change the timeline nut because they are reptilian human hybrids their manifesting strength is limited or nonexistent. Human souls have a unique or much more powerful manifesting ability. The way the 33 maintained controls over us was by limiting our manifesting abilities through the use of fear and chemicals such as fluoride, aspartame, chemtrails, etc. The last hope for them was to recruit us to create a new timeline and harness our manifesting abilities. So where can they go to get a group large enough (40k) to manifest this into reality? Youtube for sure would give them the eyes and ears but it wasn’t properly managed as a cohesive group. They needed a group where they all knew the existence of the 33 and distrusted/despised them thoroughly. They needed people from all over the world and from various walks of life. They needed people who were open to non-mainstream concepts such as aliens, reptiles, enlightenment, etc. They needed a spot where debate was allowed to occur even though it was divisible at times. They needed a spot where the people were all searching for the answers to the meaning of life and all the details in between. They need a location where a pure positive approach was frowned upon and that there was a group of survivalists strong in the ranks of the management. They needed a spot where there was a top person and that person had considerable sway over other’s thought evolution. This leader had to as well be set in his mindset that his/her vision was pure and thus set in stone in their mind. Where is that location? Avalon that’s where!

So if you’re not too angry with my synopsis please read on.

So step one was finding the group, which they had. Step 2 was to convince everyone that a member of the 33 had a change of heart on allowing our destruction and wanted to assist the rest of us in a low probability, last ditch attempt to include a few of us in their future. This was successful but they also needed to do Step 3 which was to begin to influence the forum and force out those that will cause harm to their plan. Have you looked around lately? Some very senior members have vacated the building. Sure they pop back in once and a while but they are not active. These and some other members who would be able to prevent this takeover have been attacked psychically (causing damage in at least one known case), through the destroying of character of others (one very sadly dismissed as a charlatan, I Disagree) and to another extent by simply ignoring the remaining ones in any kind of Q&A. They felt that step was successful and now moved on to grooming our minds to accomplish the next step. That step is the filtering of the best manifesting minds that they can easily control for their timeline change. So that is where we are today its ongoing and going very well. They sit back and watch as the debates/arguing go on and on keeping score of the ones they want.

I will stop here by saying the following. We are all here for common goals as I stated above but please don’t leave your discernment abilities out of the equation. I will not post another one of these messages so for those who are bothered by them you need not be concerned. For those who see as a boot in the butt to wake up, stay awake. For the 33 or whoever you are here influencing this group I send you white light from the source as you know I am a good conduit for it and to you I want to thank you for placing me back on track to my true goal of enlightenment.

This timeline is perfect just the way it is. All are welcome we are all one. Good Times!



G'day,

Now I think you have writen a fine piece here my fello Avalonian and your opening piece as well.

I am tired of the noise, you are right there are little spatters of wisdom from some who are on the ball so to speak.

I don't seem to get my questions answered but in it self I really don't need to because I have my own self to do that ( pitty others have forgoten that)

Quite often it is what is not answered that gives you the answers we seek.

I wait and watch for the games and tom foolery and ego to simmer down, maybe it never will.

We don't need any body to tell us they are the ones responsible for our future, look into yourself, thats were the answer is.

You can not learn other peoples lessons for them, that is their road to travel, that is why they are here.

..Nick..

[Hypothetical]

You may know about initiation in the pyramids of Egypt or the pyramids tunnels full of crocodiles...alligators whichever was contained there. ever see statues of such creatures in pictures on egypt? they are absolutely real beings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7JF0aGdaI0&playnext=1&list=PLA22A78B679F473E5

Thank you for your post. I do not doubt at all the possibility of Reptilians. I would only suggest the possibility that these ones described may or may not be the original earth based ones. Or the possibility that these are Earth based ones that returned later on after the ice age. The accounts that they live underground in these military bases lends credence to the tie in with the 33 hybrids. There would need to be a greater tie to one another to keep everything in check. The 33 don't want them walking around on Earth because that would bring to light their existence as hybrids and then the charade would be up. It would be much hard to control us when we know irrefutably of their existence.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I appreciate being able to use my own powers of discernment, but I welcome some of the points raised by this conversation
Two questions, for any who may have an opinion or know:
1) What of the existence of beings such as Reptilians in a slightly different dimension or on a different frequency level? - these beings would interface with "reincarnated" Reptilians, who could nagivate the world of humans more freely. I am trying to account for the numerous "sightings" of Reptilian beings, while still allowing for the possibility of incarnated Reptilian souls.
2) What are the steps to begin to develop the capacity to retain memory from one lifetime to the next, or to control the transmission of DNA which might facilitate this?

Thanks for any feedback.

[Hypothetical]

I appreciate being able to use my own powers of discernment, but I welcome some of the points raised by this conversation
Two questions, for any who may have an opinion or know:
1) What of the existence of beings such as Reptilians in a slightly different dimension or on a different frequency level? - these beings would interface with "reincarnated" Reptilians, who could nagivate the world of humans more freely. I am trying to account for the numerous "sightings" of Reptilian beings, while still allowing for the possibility of incarnated Reptilian souls.
2) What are the steps to begin to develop the capacity to retain memory from one lifetime to the next, or to control the transmission of DNA which might facilitate this?

Thanks for any feedback.

1) actually I would agree that this happens some are reincarnated as humans, some are possibly survivors and definitely some are external reptoids possibly multiple dimensional / ET based.
2) by attaining awareness of ones own soul through enlightenment. The path to enlightenment is the key. There are many paths to this and very few have reached it. But soon it will become easy for all of us.

I think it's important that you realize the journey for you needs to be driven by you and not me or anyone else.

[Lifesong]

I will say however it took some divine type of intervention for me to be here. I wasn't looking for this forum but was directed here.

I am here under similar circumstances. Together, this is how we can change the world.

I am confident 40,000 people feel as I do. I want to live!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EONVnK7JlU4



I Want to Live


There are children raised in sorrow
On a scorched and barren plain
There are children raised beneath a golden sun
There are children of the water
Children of the sand
And they cry out through the universe
Their voices raised as one

I want to live I want to grow
I want to see I want to know
I want to share what I can give
I want to be I want to live

Have you gazed out on the ocean
Seen the breaching of a whale?
Have you watched the dolphins frolic in the foam?
Have you heard the song the humpback hears five hundred miles away
Telling tales of ancient history of passages and home?

I want to live I want to grow
I want to see I want to know
I want to share what I can give
I want to be I want to live

For the worker and the warrior the lover and the liar
For the native and the wanderer in kind
For the maker and the user and the mother and her son
I am looking for my family and all of you are mine

We are standing all together
Face to face and arm in arm
We are standing on the threshold of a dream
No more hunger no more killing
No more wasting life away
It is simply an idea
And I know it’s time has come

I want to live I want to grow
I want to see I want to know
I want to share what I can give
I want to be I want to live

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Thank you for the information, Hypothetical. The concept of "Enlightenment" has fascinated from an early age. I practice yoga and meditation, and have at least set foot on the path!!Traditionally, "Enlightenment" occured after years of study with a "master" or guru, the fact that this may change in the near future is quite encouraging.

My sense is that the Reptilian vibration is not as compatible with this Enlightened state as the human vibration is. I have resonated with the Reptilian in my DNA and also with the human for many years, wrestling the the conflict of having a foot in both worlds, so to speak. As the truth is revealed, many of us will need to reconcile the perceived differences between Reptile/Human, truly we are One. Namaste

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ahamkara:
My sense is that the Reptilian vibration is not as compatible with this Enlightened state as the human vibration is. I have resonated with the Reptilian in my DNA and also with the human for many years, wrestling the the conflict of having a foot in both worlds, so to speak. As the truth is revealed, many of us will need to reconcile the perceived differences between Reptile/Human, truly we are One. Namaste

please, how would you describe a reptilian vibration as opposed to hightened human's ?
:yu: l
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[Deborah (ahamkara)]

"Reptilian" in my own experience is more linear, focused on outcome, operating as we could traditionally name it out of "mind" rather than heart. Emotion highly controlled by intellect. Remembers.

"Human" has the capacity for merging, opening to the present as all, trusting. Forgives.

Again, we are One, and these are just reflections that represent my own observations. I would be the first to admit that I don't really understand how it all fits together. But something is forcing these questions up in my life at the moment.

[Hypothetical]

"Reptilian" in my own experience is more linear, focused on outcome, operating as we could traditionally name it out of "mind" rather than heart. Emotion highly controlled by intellect. Remembers.

"Human" has the capacity for merging, opening to the present as all, trusting. Forgives.

Again, we are One, and these are just reflections that represent my own observations. I would be the first to admit that I don't really understand how it all fits together. But something is forcing these questions up in my life at the moment.

I tend to think we're more alike than different. There's good and bad in every group.

[Hypothetical]

I've decided its time to leave Avalon but before I go may I may one final statement.

Although my time has been short here I've learned a fair amount and also be able to reflect upon myself to strengthen who I am as a person. I'd like to first apologize publicly to Inelia (already have privately) for being concerned she may be a computer. I think it would be viewed as quite a bit more possible to the general public that a user account could be a programmed machine then any of these topics Reptiles, TPTB, Bloodlines, Planet X, etc.. Am I embarrassed yes but not because of the fact that I thought it was a possibility she was an alien computer but because I never questioned myself more. In regards to my views stated within this post they are all theoretical and yes some insinuating to a few members here but how could they not be when the purpose is to discuss the relevance of whether we all are viewing this as I did Inelia. I've offended Bill by questioning him and since this is his forum I will leave.

I do wish all well on your journeys. I do thank you Bill for the work you do and making my time here a possibility.

Sincerely,
Karl

I bid you adieu. Please remove my account or disable whichever is easiest for you.

[dejavu]

I would like to thank Hypothetical for his 'thought piece' and for the comments that followed. I have been searching for some reasoning for Charles and why Avalon, your thought piece did much more. I am very much in tune with your thoughts and have a real sense your on the right path

From a much more enlightened soul

[Patrikas]

I've decided its time to leave Avalon but before I go may I may one final statement.

Although my time has been short here I've learned a fair amount and also be able to reflect upon myself to strengthen who I am as a person. I'd like to first apologize publicly to Inelia (already have privately) for being concerned she may be a computer. I think it would be viewed as quite a bit more possible to the general public that a user account could be a programmed machine then any of these topics Reptiles, TPTB, Bloodlines, Planet X, etc.. Am I embarrassed yes but not because of the fact that I thought it was a possibility she was an alien computer but because I never questioned myself more. In regards to my views stated within this post they are all theoretical and yes some insinuating to a few members here but how could they not be when the purpose is to discuss the relevance of whether we all are viewing this as I did Inelia. I've offended Bill by questioning him and since this is his forum I will leave.

I do wish all well on your journeys. I do thank you Bill for the work you do and making my time here a possibility.

Sincerely,
Karl

I bid you adieu. Please remove my account or disable whichever is easiest for you.



You may know about initiation in the pyramids of Egypt or the pyramids tunnels full of crocodiles...alligators whichever was contained there. ever see statues of such creatures in pictures on egypt? they are absolutely real beings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7JF0aGdaI0&playnext=1&list=PLA22A78B679F473E5

Thank you for your post. I do not doubt at all the possibility of Reptilians. I would only suggest the possibility that these ones described may or may not be the original earth based ones. Or the possibility that these are Earth based ones that returned later on after the ice age. The accounts that they live underground in these military bases lends credence to the tie in with the 33 hybrids. There would need to be a greater tie to one another to keep everything in check. The 33 don't want them walking around on Earth because that would bring to light their existence as hybrids and then the charade would be up. It would be much hard to control us when we know irrefutably of their existence.
Hi ,
after reading this i felt i had to share this understanding .....it is general knowledge now in spiritual circles that there has been something very deep and controlling giong on on this earth for some time and that it is due to the ongoing actions of certain" entities...races "with form and without form " who have an agenda to decieve controll and feed both physically and spiritually on the beings uopn this earth .having said that .i will share this .i do not fully understand all that is giong on here on this earth i dont think anyone fully does .........but there are those here on this earth that are here with full conscious knowing of their purpose ..... IN MY UNDERSTANDING REPTILIAN & LIZARD ARE 2 SEPERATE RACES WITH 2 SEPERATE AGENDAS the lizards have been here as far back as 400,000 years . perhaps longer .... reptilians i dont know.......but are more aligned with dissention towards the human race .......the lizards had a much deeper agenda which concerned more that just the human race ..which after all is bit one consciousness upon this earth.........the lizard agenda has for the most part been taken care of in all dimensions and planes of the totality of earth ....by the holy ones ...... including earth herself........the rest including other races who have interfered is still an ongiong thing with action being taken in many ways and more still to come .there is no doubt in my mind as to the outcome of the divine plan ..........but the way there and the timing is creators and earths timing .........the more that is revealed the deeper i realise it is and the less i know ......so its deep .....but doable and we all have our part to play in the big picture of craetors plan that is unfolding here .........this did not come from a book or anywhere else it came from knowing and trusting what we have been shown .......blessings

[slipknotted]

great post it feels like the truth spoken clear thanks

[lightblue]

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karl, please reconsider...this thread is most brilliant....sad what's happening to the best of us :sad: l

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[Patrikas]

I've decided its time to leave Avalon but before I go may I may one final statement.

Although my time has been short here I've learned a fair amount and also be able to reflect upon myself to strengthen who I am as a person. I'd like to first apologize publicly to Inelia (already have privately) for being concerned she may be a computer. I think it would be viewed as quite a bit more possible to the general public that a user account could be a programmed machine then any of these topics Reptiles, TPTB, Bloodlines, Planet X, etc.. Am I embarrassed yes but not because of the fact that I thought it was a possibility she was an alien computer but because I never questioned myself more. In regards to my views stated within this post they are all theoretical and yes some insinuating to a few members here but how could they not be when the purpose is to discuss the relevance of whether we all are viewing this as I did Inelia. I've offended Bill by questioning him and since this is his forum I will leave.

I do wish all well on your journeys. I do thank you Bill for the work you do and making my time here a possibility.

Sincerely,
Karl

I bid you adieu. Please remove my account or disable whichever is easiest for you.



You may know about initiation in the pyramids of Egypt or the pyramids tunnels full of crocodiles...alligators whichever was contained there. ever see statues of such creatures in pictures on egypt? they are absolutely real beings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7JF0aGdaI0&playnext=1&list=PLA22A78B679F473E5

Thank you for your post. I do not doubt at all the possibility of Reptilians. I would only suggest the possibility that these ones described may or may not be the original earth based ones. Or the possibility that these are Earth based ones that returned later on after the ice age. The accounts that they live underground in these military bases lends credence to the tie in with the 33 hybrids. There would need to be a greater tie to one another to keep everything in check. The 33 don't want them walking around on Earth because that would bring to light their existence as hybrids and then the charade would be up. It would be much hard to control us when we know irrefutably of their existence.


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karl, please reconsider...this thread is most brilliant....sad what's happening to the best of us :sad: l

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i agree .....perhaps u should reconsider blesssings

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Thank you Hypothetical, for sharing your thoughts and responding on this thread. I am pretty much staying out of posting on the Charles material for now, but I appreciate what is happening on many of the other threads. Perhaps at a future date, you may return? Peace.

[granny]

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karl, please reconsider...this thread is most brilliant....sad what's happening to the best of us :sad: l

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Oh I so agree ...this has abeen such a ride for all of us and this thread is a breath of fresh air. It is my opinion that we are all hybrids and that does not bother me in the least. We are all on the path.

Please reconsider ... I value your input.
Granny Jan

ps: I did try to look up the question of cold-blooded and warm blooded for the dinos ... It seems there is no clear answer on that yet, but I did see where it is possible they began as cold blooded and evolved into a more warm blooded race ... perhaps just not fast enough.

[passiglight]

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karl, please reconsider...this thread is most brilliant....sad what's happening to the best of us :sad: l

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well spoken lightblue,,,,,,,,thank you most sincerely hypothetical hope you feel empowered to continue asap

[Patrikas]

Do you have any concrete proof to back it up?
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Still No.

But consider this;
Whatever variation of the Reptile belief you happen to like,
1. They have the moon and the stars to choose from. Quite literally. Nothing that special about humans, and their condition really. Earth either, for that matter.
The "opportunity" in being human lies in consciousness, not in the meat, or place we inhabit. Try as they wish, they cannot be us. "Trying on our skin" is a cheap imitation even I wouldn't settle for. Even if you accept the possibility they "built us", then the best you can get from incarnating as us is akin to taking a drug. Interesting, a few times, but in the end it simply becomes a habit.

2. If you subscribe to the notion we are some "slave race" for their convenience then it comes to a new question:
If you have oxen to plow your field, why would you want to live the ox's life?

Now you can side-step this analogy by assuming they are only interested in incarnating within the "pure blood lines". This changes the question, but only slightly:
How long can you entertain yourself as the ox's groom?

Hi Fred,
my" feeling" on this part i dont feel that there is a direct connection to the 33 and reptillians at all if there is am not aware of it....there is something special about the human race tho ,and perhaps it is because of the atrocities committed to them by other races after the fact that they were of divine creation it seems to me that the oneness has made a special effort to reinstate the divine plan on our behallf .......the bigger picture of what is happening on the earth is the atrocities committed to the planet earth and" all" kingdoms that are represented here here in form or without form.....its not just about the human race we are not the only consciousness represented here ......planet earth has in the past and now has had much of the prime creators divine creation represented on earth which in my undertanding came from diffrent places in the cosmos .to be represented here physically on this earth for a purpose ......it has definately been tampered with over the aeons by those that have chosen to do so including mankind in there stay here how it all fits into the bigger picture of things i dont think anyone knows except the prime creator and no doubt will unfold in its right time .this little the tip at the end of this spiral in our galaxy known as the milky way seems to play an important part in something much bigger ......stay well blessings

[Hypothetical]

My deleted post:


The plan I refer to is the one presented (seems to be a work in progress) by Charles and his master. In which we (?) were facing certain doom without their help and this last ditch approach of having Bill (Avalon) who was originally their target now be an avenue to fight back the inevitable destruction of the non-bloodlines (unclear if it’s only a few chosen or all us) by the remaining 33 that splintered off. However, I feel very concerned that the plan isn't for our benefit as can be noted by the usage of divisional tactics when all the items are viewed in totality.

These tactics include:
1) Empowering some and pushing out anyone who may challenge that. Some great members have gone silent and vacated the building.
2) Start off by only allowing new members to ask questions. Why because some of the plan assisting members would most likely be new members as well.
3) Ignore most questions from certain people regardless of when they joined because they have some real tough ones and they may lead to become problematic.
4) Only share a little information so that the imaginations run wild. Then interpretation becomes debate, which then in turn becomes anger.
5) Then you ask people to join your inner circle with flattery and in some cases you utilize them as examples to show your authority such as discrediting them after they've begun to get some loyalty. This is a perfect way to show there is no other person in charge but them (Charles and his master).
6) Kerry a former respected member is then ripped apart by a few to make sure there is no risk of an exodus over the fence to her way of thinking.
7) You create a plan to gather a number of special people for the big challenge to save us. That is the ultimate method for causing divisiveness in a group. Even better when you make it a sex thing, 9 male and 9 female. Everyone clamors for attention and begin choosing their lists, debating about whose more talented, etc.
8) Oh and don't forget the search for funds for a needy person. That was a gong show, but accomplished the task quite well.
9) Sprinkle in an assisting member here or there with extremely strong perspectives and that on whim will trounce even the flower children.
10) Enlightened is used to show that the baddies (as my son would call them) won't exist within the forum. She was a sacrificed sheep for that sole purpose.
11) Then you have a religious member in this case a Nun gain the trust of the forum and through her very subtle way introduce a concept that helps decide the 18. Who better to propose such an idea? Not an existing member, Not Bill, Not Charles, none of us would have agreed to it. Think about it.
12) Then there is the last idea. Who's to say I'm not part of the plan? I don't think I am but people will think that and that is perfectly OK with me. I prefer you use discernment all the time.

Their plan as I see it requires a lot of separation, but the real underlying plan I feel is to adjust a timeline where they are in fact in trouble and need assistance to change the timeline. Perhaps there is some special ability here at Avalon to accomplish that and if they can win it over than they could begin to become successful.

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hypothetical:
The plan I refer to is the one presented (seems to be a work in progress) by Charles and his master. In which we (?) were facing certain doom without their help and this last ditch approach of having Bill (Avalon) who was originally their target now be an avenue to fight back the inevitable destruction of the non-bloodlines (unclear if it’s only a few chosen or all us) by the remaining 33 that splintered off. However, I feel very concerned that the plan isn't for our benefit as can be noted by the usage of divisional tactics when all the items are viewed in totality.

These tactics include:
1) Empowering some and pushing out anyone who may challenge that. Some great members have gone silent and vacated the building.
2) Start off by only allowing new members to ask questions. Why because some of the plan assisting members would most likely be new members as well.
3) Ignore most questions from certain people regardless of when they joined because they have some real tough ones and they may lead to become problematic.
4) Only share a little information so that the imaginations run wild. Then interpretation becomes debate, which then in turn becomes anger.
5) Then you ask people to join your inner circle with flattery and in some cases you utilize them as examples to show your authority such as discrediting them after they've begun to get some loyalty. This is a perfect way to show there is no other person in charge but them (Charles and his master).
6) Kerry a former respected member is then ripped apart by a few to make sure there is no risk of an exodus over the fence to her way of thinking.
7) You create a plan to gather a number of special people for the big challenge to save us. That is the ultimate method for causing divisiveness in a group. Even better when you make it a sex thing, 9 male and 9 female. Everyone clamors for attention and begin choosing their lists, debating about whose more talented, etc.
8) Oh and don't forget the search for funds for a needy person. That was a gong show, but accomplished the task quite well.
9) Sprinkle in an assisting member here or there with extremely strong perspectives and that on whim will trounce even the flower children.
10) Enlightened is used to show that the baddies (as my son would call them) won't exist within the forum. She was a sacrificed sheep for that sole purpose.
11) Then you have a religious member in this case a Nun gain the trust of the forum and through her very subtle way introduce a concept that helps decide the 18. Who better to propose such an idea? Not an existing member, Not Bill, Not Charles, none of us would have agreed to it. Think about it.
12) Then there is the last idea. Who's to say I'm not part of the plan? I don't think I am but people will think that and that is perfectly OK with me. I prefer you use discernment all the time.

Their plan as I see it requires a lot of separation, but the real underlying plan I feel is to adjust a timeline where they are in fact in trouble and need assistance to change the timeline. Perhaps there is some special ability here at Avalon to accomplish that and if they can win it over than they could begin to become successful.

i don't see why would this need deletion...i don't find it offensive at all..this simply is your take on the events here, why would this hurt anyone? there's so much of nonsensical bickering going on un-deleted, though totally useless and very embarrassing in some cases.. i still hope it is only temporary and that the mod team would finally take some time to sieve through it all ...i myself would really like to visit the nun's abbey as bill reassured me the lady is nothing but authentic by his response to me..i live in the uk too and got friends who would like to join me on a day trip... it should be a nice weekend out of town in i expect a beautiful setting... :yu: l

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[aikya]

Hypothetical, I don't see why this would have been deleted either. Do you know which mod deleted it? If so, perhaps you could ask for clarification?


MODS: If anyone could clarify this it would be appraciated, thanks.

[Hypothetical]

It was removed by Bill himself. There was another one as well but I didn't keep a copy of that one. I have no desire to argue on why it was removed but I found it odd that it was removed. From the way I understand it Bill and the mods are at odds right now about a lot of things here so I'm not so sure it will matter raising the point. I also state in post #28 on this thread the situation. Charles felt I should not judge the nun negatively but I hate to be a prude but he isn't my choice for providing good character assessments.

[aikya]

It was removed by Bill himself. There was another one as well but I didn't keep a copy of that one. I have no desire to argue on why it was removed but I found it odd that it was removed. From the way I understand it Bill and the mods are at odds right now about a lot of things here so I'm not so sure it will matter raising the point. I also state in post #28 on this thread the situation. Charles felt I should not judge the nun negatively but I hate to be a prude but he isn't my choice for providing good character assessments.


Removed by Bill. Right.

Hypothetical, as I recall, you certainly weren't tho only one who expressed questions or doubts about the nun.....if that is the reason why it was deleted.

Charles is entitled to his opinion, and so are we. Nothing so far has suggested to me that his opinion is more valid than anyone else's, lol.

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hypothetical:
It was removed by Bill himself. There was another one as well but I didn't keep a copy of that one. I have no desire to argue on why it was removed but I found it odd that it was removed. From the way I understand it Bill and the mods are at odds right now about a lot of things here so I'm not so sure it will matter raising the point. I also state in post #28 on this thread the situation. Charles felt I should not judge the nun negatively but I hate to be a prude but he isn't my choice for providing good character assessments.

since when has positive doubt become negativity? :blink:

that's equal to advocating blind faith, is it not? i have my receptors telling me something is odd here indeed...i like nuns, just don't believe this lady is one :no:...i gave my reasons on the "letter from nun" thread...best wishes :yu: l

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[Hypothetical]

It was removed by Bill himself. There was another one as well but I didn't keep a copy of that one. I have no desire to argue on why it was removed but I found it odd that it was removed. From the way I understand it Bill and the mods are at odds right now about a lot of things here so I'm not so sure it will matter raising the point. I also state in post #28 on this thread the situation. Charles felt I should not judge the nun negatively but I hate to be a prude but he isn't my choice for providing good character assessments.


Removed by Bill. Right.

Hypothetical, as I recall, you certainly weren't tho only one who expressed questions or doubts about the nun.....if that is the reason why it was deleted.

Charles is entitled to his opinion, and so are we. Nothing so far has suggested to me that his opinion is more valid than anyone else's, lol.

That was the reason Bill shared with me but I did wonder if it was something else I had mentioned in that post. He suggested that I may embarrass myself again like i did when suggested a member was an account operated by the machine as i state in prior posts.