Heather etc.

[Star Gazer]

I admire your tenacity, Joanie.

[Celine]

its ok heather...

Love believes in you

[Arrowwind]

its ok heather...

Love believes in you

Love believes in the capacity for truth, discernment, honesty, integrity. and passion composed of these elements. Heather can be all of that. It a capacity of the will.

[Lee-B]

This is insane!
Any material of such importance would not be recorded, nor even alluded to on a vbulletin forum. This is a merry little dance and no mistake, but frankly I think if things carry on the way they are, an enormous amount of respect is going to be lost for this community. It's becoming farcical. Damage limitation, Bill?

[3optic]

I do not believe in love myself, it is a simple electrical impulse and nothing more.


But you do believe in laughter, don't you Joanie? Don't you? ;)

[Arrowwind]

I do not believe in love myself, it is a simple electrical impulse and nothing more.


But you do believe in laughter, don't you Joanie? Don't you? ;)

If Joanie does not believe in love then I would have to assume that she does not experience it first hand. This accounts for why she has participated in barbaric behaviors.

[Celine]

i love ben... please mind his heart Heather...

and please tell him i hope he recovers soon

[TheSwede]

Phoenix university uses this IP address, and when am not working my IP address returns, I can’t teach online without using their IP because it shuts down everything if I open up alternate windows or tabs, in fact you might be able to help me with that.
Note... not the University of Phoenix, security is set up so that when a person takes their post test, or midterm/final they can’t open tabs and search for answers outside of the books they have bought, it goes against the procedures set by Phoenix Uni and they sign an agreement stating that they will adhere to the rules when the class is started.

To add, they also have failed tests in the past because of the volumes, if a book is the 9th edition or the 2010 edition and they look an answer up on line from a previous book that was not updated they might run the risk of failing.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I'm also aware that if Joanie is going to spend quality time with anyone, it probably shouldn't be me.

I don't know about that Perfectresonance, you have an quality about you that I like :)

Sorry to bother you, but how can you access the forums when the tunnel you use to access Phoenix Uni network blocks all other traffic other then "the midterm or book" the person is working with?

I dont know the setup of the type of tunnel they use but the way you describe it sounds like an application that hijacks youre computer not only connecting it to a tunnel, it controls applications since it shuts down things you open. That type of application would set of any antivirus software since it takes over other applications...

I talk to people every day that needs help when it comes to computers so I'm not trying to discredit you since I know how people that aren't into computers/networking describe how things looks/work in their very unique way =) I tunnel to companies and administrate their internal network for a living so I myself bounce around with different IPs sometimes depending on where i tunnel in.

P.S
My employer is pretty stupid by blocking certain social Network sites at our company even though they know we have tunnels everywhere, lol.

[K626]

Whiskey_Mystic: True, I could also show my R-PAS too, but at this stage in the game as I said I will happily give that to Bill.

VajraYaya: it’s a joke then stay and laugh, or walk away, I deserve no apology from Bill I do not deserve one, I instigated much of this madness and I lament doing so. Your Bill vs. Kerry fantasy came true, as you appear to jump on Kerry the first chance that you have. You said yourself you waited for them to split, so I don’t see any reason why you would portray anything other than what you are antagonistic.

Celine: I like your mothering instinct but, it is not needed here, nobody is in danger or needs protection, I do not believe in love myself, it is a simple electrical impulse and nothing more. There is a story of a man that was in a car crash and damaged the frontal lobe of his brain. He went from a caring and loving husband and father to not caring if they lived or died. The brain dictates love; the soul does not understand the function of love. This is why we come here to experience it in physical form. That is quite esoterically lithe even for me.
Ben deserves an apology more than most, simply due to the way he was treated, not by Bill so much by the mob rule that jumps on their prey; the feline is an adequate symbol for both Camelot and Avalon. I know that’s not what you want to hear but it’s true.
Whilst it went bad for Ben, Bill was simply doing his job, as I did mine, I don’t think for one instant that Ben has every blamed Bill for this, he has and rightly so attacked me for my apathy.

Perfectresonace: I like you, I like the way you think and I am would not be surprised if you were a field agent of some kind.
To answer your questions; the question I asked was posed as a question directed at a Icecolds professor of Genetic engineering, I did not say the question was my own, and next time I will cite the question but I actually figured the question was standard, as it’s as common as asking a risk management supervisor, how would they protect their organization from criminal liability? You see it’s simple and if googled thousands of cites will bring up that same question or should.

I also did not want to ask anything as simple as I asked the yesterday such as the C10 H22 question that should not need to be googled, indeed the original question should not have needed to be googled, as it was not aimed at Avalon goers but more of a test for Ice cold’s friend.
Incidentally, Agape got the general premise right and was correct about Influenza. My personal question about the DNA modification was also easy, if and only if ALL the data was present. The first question should be how do you raise a person’s alkaline level like that without killing them?
And then request the data to see how it’s done. Science is like a homicide investigation, without all of the facts it could and in most cases will be made to look like a suicide.

As for sending people to deal with me, I have an ace up my sleeve and, that’s why I am somewhat cavalier about things, but I am cautious, I do not under estimate anybody’s ability on this forum, we all have reasons why we’re here. But I felt I have two options, continue to hide and let this die, or stand up and say I want justice for what was done.

I want Bill to meet me because I want to introduce him to a gentleman I worked with and whom I worked on, his name is Rodger and he was the sole reason that the material was released, because I used the material, as my own personal vehicle to get him out of his then dire situation.
I am would not state that I am openly approachable by any means, it’s how one approaches that dictates what happens as I am far from alone.

Wow, I must say for the first time I sense a center. Ain't seen covering fire like this since the old days. I will remain respectufully neutral from here.

It isn't for me so much the material, but something is going on....I'd be lying if I said I wasn't now curious...:p

"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed." jung

Peace

K

[bitworm]

Phoenix university uses this IP address, and when am not working my IP address returns, I can’t teach online without using their IP because it shuts down everything if I open up alternate windows or tabs, in fact you might be able to help me with that.
Note... not the University of Phoenix, security is set up so that when a person takes their post test, or midterm/final they can’t open tabs and search for answers outside of the books they have bought, it goes against the procedures set by Phoenix Uni and they sign an agreement stating that they will adhere to the rules when the class is started.

To add, they also have failed tests in the past because of the volumes, if a book is the 9th edition or the 2010 edition and they look an answer up on line from a previous book that was not updated they might run the risk of failing.[COLOR="red"]




Sorry to bother you, but how can you access the forums when the tunnel you use to access Phoenix Uni network blocks all other traffic other then "the midterm or book" the person is working with?

I dont know the setup of the type of tunnel they use but the way you describe it sounds like an application that hijacks youre computer not only connecting it to a tunnel, it controls applications since it shuts down things you open. That type of application would set of any antivirus software since it takes over other applications...

I talk to people every day that needs help when it comes to computers so I'm not trying to discredit you since I know how people that aren't into computers/networking describe how things looks/work in their very unique way =) I tunnel to companies and administrate their internal network for a living so I myself bounce around with different IPs sometimes depending on where i tunnel in.

P.S
My employer is pretty stupid by blocking certain social Network sites at our company even though they know we have tunnels everywhere, lol.

What TheSwede says above is true. I am involved in courseware development in my day job but don't know Phoenix specifically, so I'll leave it to Heather to confirm, deny or clarify further.

The restrictions she is talking about only occur during exam periods, otherwise she probably has at least a minimal level of internet access via the VPN tunnel.

During the exams, everyone logs into a controlled environment where the proctor can monitor the incoming/outgoing connections of the students during the exam period. In order to do this at the level she describes, the software needs to have full control over the network adapter and its associated drivers, and partial control over the OS.

For Windows users, boot in safe mode with networking and put your web browser in full-screen mode(F11 key), you will get a good idea of the environment, which is difficult, but not impossible to circumvent.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

yes the problem I have is I can access this site and log in for short periods of time, but what happens is, when it boots me it's almost like it kills my internet connection for a while. My usual route is writing down my reply's on word and frantically copy and pasting to say what I need to and most of my viewing material is via screen shots I take and to my adobe viewer queue, if anybody knows how to get around this issue that would be very helpful. I'll try booting in safe mode.

It does take partial control, when I had issues with the chat, the IT woman in charge took control of my system and solved the problem I had. Because I host live chats for the classes almost like WebX, I think it's better because it's a virtual classroom where I can post text book links, screen shots and even show movies, the students don't see me but get to voice chat with those with a mic.

[kersley]

@ HeatherJJAnderson.
With all due respect can we move on from this now? I have learnt more about IT in the past 2 days, I feel I'm ready to sit my MCSE.
Tell me more about the Reptilians. Who are they? What do they want? Why are they here? How is it some have encounters with them whilst others don't? Why are they considered to be no good?
Thank you..

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Kersley, unfortunately I want to be able to tell you, other than my direct experience I don't know the answer to that, and it would be unfair for me to say that I did. What I observed was total disregard for authority... Human authority, they had an agenda and we were expendable. I saw two sides, compassion and agression, the agresive side was more frightening because the lack of agression, thats a contradiction I know.
What I am struggling to say is they were physically brutal and used force, but there was a sublime calmness to how this was enacted.

Note: I was on standard rations I drank the water and ate the food as a result it is logical to assume I might have been subjected to chemical and visual stimulation. I do not take what I saw as face value, and question it every day. I assume that if this was not a stimulated psychological episode, then these things were real, they smelt bad, they looked worst and had a film over their body that looked like a cross between frogs spawn and hair gel.

Upon my exit from the facility I did not self check my self for opiates or hallucinogenic compounds. So take this experience as I have presented it. I am extremely cautious on this subject. My personal opinion is that I experienced a real time event and this unfolded as I recollect it.

[DeDukshyn]

I have a question based on the document that Bill pointed to at the beginning of this thread. What is a non-magnetic MRI machine? (pg 5 of the Heather document). I have never heard of a non-magnetic magnetic resonance imager before. Just curious as to how that would work.

[kersley]

Heather.
Thank you for your time, Much appreciated. I will put the blame on my Girlfriend for using nail varnish remover. She should at least open the windows, It makes me hallucinate...

[Lita]

With all due respect Avalonians all I stated was that Heather had posted a few weeks ago at Camelot.. that was all except my comment to Celine.. of course Kerry knows this as the posts are in her forum..

Since when did stating something become an offence to so many here at Avalon. And a comment to mods from somebody I have helped in the past.. gee thanks..

It used to be a pleasure to come to Avalon.

[perfectresonance]

Hi everyone.

You may have seen Kerry arrive here yesterday say that HeatherJJAnderson/Joanie is welcome at the Project Camelot forum (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13775-Heather-is-here...&p=141937#post141937).

You may also have seen Kerry return the next day to announce (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13775-Heather-is-here...&p=142477&viewfull=1#post142477) HeatherJJAnderson/Joanie is posting to the Project Camelot forum.

But it appears HeatherJJAnderson has been actively participating for almost 3 weeks on the Project Camelot forum.

Not only that, she even openly announced that she was "Heather, from the Heather Material" 20 days ago.

Go see for yourself. (http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=18649&Itemid=147#18678)

These are just data points. :tape2:

P

EDIT: Whoops, sorry Lita - synchronicity there. I was working on my post while you posted on this topic. Didn't mean to duplicate or steal any limelight. :embarassed:

[Illuminaughty]

Phoenix university uses this IP address, and when am not working my IP address returns, I can’t teach online without using their IP because it shuts down everything if I open up alternate windows or tabs, in fact you might be able to help me with that.
Note... not the University of Phoenix, security is set up so that when a person takes their post test, or midterm/final they can’t open tabs and search for answers outside of the books they have bought, it goes against the procedures set by Phoenix Uni and they sign an agreement stating that they will adhere to the rules when the class is started.

To add, they also have failed tests in the past because of the volumes, if a book is the 9th edition or the 2010 edition and they look an answer up on line from a previous book that was not updated they might run the risk of failing.[COLOR="red"]




Sorry to bother you, but how can you access the forums when the tunnel you use to access Phoenix Uni network blocks all other traffic other then "the midterm or book" the person is working with?

I dont know the setup of the type of tunnel they use but the way you describe it sounds like an application that hijacks youre computer not only connecting it to a tunnel, it controls applications since it shuts down things you open. That type of application would set of any antivirus software since it takes over other applications...

I talk to people every day that needs help when it comes to computers so I'm not trying to discredit you since I know how people that aren't into computers/networking describe how things looks/work in their very unique way =) I tunnel to companies and administrate their internal network for a living so I myself bounce around with different IPs sometimes depending on where i tunnel in.

P.S
My employer is pretty stupid by blocking certain social Network sites at our company even though they know we have tunnels everywhere, lol.

What TheSwede says above is true. I am involved in courseware development in my day job but don't know Phoenix specifically, so I'll leave it to Heather to confirm, deny or clarify further.

The restrictions she is talking about only occur during exam periods, otherwise she probably has at least a minimal level of internet access via the VPN tunnel.

During the exams, everyone logs into a controlled environment where the proctor can monitor the incoming/outgoing connections of the students during the exam period. In order to do this at the level she describes, the software needs to have full control over the network adapter and its associated drivers, and partial control over the OS.

For Windows users, boot in safe mode with networking and put your web browser in full-screen mode(F11 key), you will get a good idea of the environment, which is difficult, but not impossible to circumvent.

Why go through all of that when you can simply use google on a smart phone while you are taking an exam? Seems to be a pretty simple way to circumvent that system.

Better yet, why can't Heather just hop on a smart phone and post messages here? That would seem like a common sense thing to do.

Just wanted to share that simple thought. Now I will step back and continue observing this unfolding thread.

-Peace in the Middle East-

[Cottage Rose]

I think that the point, to some degree, will be the weathering of the storm of reality, of our own making................

It will be an interesting ride. Things will likely happen.

Wow, Carmody :cool: I have been so busy getting acclimated here, this is the first time I have focused on your wisdom. In the future I will be checking your posts each day. Wonderful!

(I just had a deja vu in the proccess of posting.)

[HeatherJJAnderson]

I have a question based on the document that Bill pointed to at the beginning of this thread. What is a non-magnetic MRI machine? (pg 5 of the Heather document). I have never heard of a non-magnetic magnetic resonance imager before. Just curious as to how that would work.

Good question, this has been around for a while now. The MRI machines we use are called CEI, carrier electric imaging this is not hush hush, it just is going through the usual testing and application field research, we were able to use one due to the fact that our superiors did not class our work as human testing. But organic performance enhancement if you look at DARPA’s financial justification documents for this fiscal year you see a whole plethora of things like this.

Instead of using a magnetic field to align the nuclei, it uses the human body’s electrical charge, just as our nuclei are pliable by the use of magnetic fields our body has electrical impulses that run throughout.

So we still use the radio waves, but it’s in conjunction with the electrical field, this creates an electrical conduit that includes the body itself and then through the radio combination we tune the nuclei into the pattern we want. Note that this procedure would be extremely uncomfortable for any normal human unless sedated. We use this imaging device to look at the images as any standard MRI would and it includes the ability for a PET and CT scan as well so it’s versatile.

Back to the radio waves instead of faint signals produced in the rational MRI, we need to use stronger signals to direct and control the nuclei, once we spread the picture out the way we want it, then we simply use ionizing radiation, the machine’s logistics program has the subjects details and mass, so it separates the free radicals from the subject allowing the image to be clear or it would be on big ball of crap that nobody would be able to read. The beauty of this machine is that you don’t have to increase the radiation for a deeper image; the machine can select the options and then strengthens or weakens the signals accordingly.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I shall have to get a smart phone... My current mobile is not very smart at all :(

[Lita]

Not a problem perfectresonance I couldn't remember the top of my head when it was posted, I remembered because I asked her the question.. thought what she had to say was very interesting. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?171-perfectresonance)

Thanks for posting it all

[Tangri]

...completely agree with you.
ditto, adding that I routinely work with pattern recognition software that

is quite simple to set up
has been around for at least three decades

IMO writing a script to do the job described should take no more than half an hour, and maintenance no more than minutes per day. The biggest expense would be processing time for large volumes of information.

Well ,indeed it happened to crushed to processing time in the past. At least( what I know) 3 colleges involved silently to the attack. They used word of Osama Bin Ladin in every daily mails and chain mails for a month.
Imagine how frustrating for administration of black guys.

[Tangri]

Kersley, unfortunately I want to be able to tell you, other than my direct experience I don't know the answer to that, and it would be unfair for me to say that I did. What I observed was total disregard for authority... Human authority, they had an agenda and we were expendable. I saw two sides, compassion and agression, the agresive side was more frightening because the lack of agression, thats a contradiction I know.
What I am struggling to say is they were physically brutal and used force, but there was a sublime calmness to how this was enacted.

Note: I was on standard rations I drank the water and ate the food as a result it is logical to assume I might have been subjected to chemical and visual stimulation. I do not take what I saw as face value, and question it every day. I assume that if this was not a stimulated psychological episode, then these things were real, they smelt bad, they looked worst and had a film over their body that looked like a cross between frogs spawn and hair gel.

Upon my exit from the facility I did not self check my self for opiates or hallucinogenic compounds. So take this experience as I have presented it. I am extremely cautious on this subject. My personal opinion is that I experienced a real time event and this unfolded as I recollect it.
Hello Heather,

I am glad, you felt expendable option for your self at one point, even though you would preferred it earlier than ..

If you have a secure address I can send you rapid respond self drug test. You can test by your urine,
do not worry about privacy.
Also, in your future communication safety problem; give some one you trust , a mail account's password.
Multiple people can access same account they can leave draft mail( anyone can copy,/ paste ) until mail it, it wont go to filtering systems.
Have a safe and peace

[HeatherJJAnderson]

PM'd and again thanks ;)

I am going to be out for most of today, so if any questions are asked please be patient :) Thanks.

[Icecold]

Here is an update from my friend the Prof. Genetic Eng....she has a sense of humor.


Still sounds like “Beautiful mind” with Russell Crowe. Get it out and watch it again. If she was going to blow the whistle on black ops, could she do it in a more cloistered narrow environment? I would to the New York Times, or some other reputable global media outlet which had the resources to verify my credentials. I rest my case – she is dreaming.

Any comments Heather?

[Carmody]

the aggressive side was more frightening because the lack of aggression, that's a contradiction I know.

Almost..... emotionless. Not a remorseless type of thing, specifically. Hard to pin down as it is a state of mind that most people can't get to.

As if there is a hidden meaning behind it, a hidden thing that you can't see.

Yes?

The warnings, the history... the legends, the channellings, the regression hypnotism all say the same single thing.

This....regarding the mechanical modification and the playing with the human system to create war machines.

Down that road lies disaster and that will not be allowed off this planet.

That those civilizations were wiped out.

A bigger clue is harder to find.

And that this time around..is last chance saloon (in one interpretation)... Get it right.

That the power to fix this, lies only in the people.

The people stepping up... and stopping it.

[Calz]

the aggressive side was more frightening because the lack of aggression, that's a contradiction I know.

Almost..... emotionless. Not a remorseless type of thing, specifically. Hard to pin down as it is a state of mind that most people can't get to.




Whenever I come across reptilian material talking about feeding on humans (either energetically or physically) I try to remember the way humans treat animal food stock.

Don't come across many people showing "remorse" for eating a hamburger.

[Carmody]

Here is an update from my friend the Prof. Genetic Eng....she has a sense of humor.


Still sounds like “Beautiful mind” with Russell Crowe. Get it out and watch it again. If she was going to blow the whistle on black ops, could she do it in a more cloistered narrow environment? I would to the New York Times, or some other reputable global media outlet which had the resources to verify my credentials. I rest my case – she is dreaming.

Any comments Heather?

The media is not reputable, though. In the now...forums like this are far better in that regard. Big problem there, with major media.

Big media is an unrealized religious experience for most people. Forums are about being alive and being involved.

Mr science my have one hat on in a decently straight manner, but not all internal pipes are open and cleared, for the full view.

I know I'm looking a bit two faced on all of this, but it needs be done this way.

Reality is reality - logic is logic. Whatever that means. We deal with the package in front of us as best we can.

[hardrock]

I have a question based on the document that Bill pointed to at the beginning of this thread. What is a non-magnetic MRI machine? (pg 5 of the Heather document). I have never heard of a non-magnetic magnetic resonance imager before. Just curious as to how that would work.

Good question, this has been around for a while now. The MRI machines we use are called CEI, carrier electric imaging this is not hush hush, it just is going through the usual testing and application field research, we were able to use one due to the fact that our superiors did not class our work as human testing. But organic performance enhancement if you look at DARPA’s financial justification documents for this fiscal year you see a whole plethora of things like this.

Instead of using a magnetic field to align the nuclei, it uses the human body’s electrical charge, just as our nuclei are pliable by the use of magnetic fields our body has electrical impulses that run throughout.

So we still use the radio waves, but it’s in conjunction with the electrical field, this creates an electrical conduit that includes the body itself and then through the radio combination we tune the nuclei into the pattern we want. Note that this procedure would be extremely uncomfortable for any normal human unless sedated. We use this imaging device to look at the images as any standard MRI would and it includes the ability for a PET and CT scan as well so it’s versatile.

Back to the radio waves instead of faint signals produced in the rational MRI, we need to use stronger signals to direct and control the nuclei, once we spread the picture out the way we want it, then we simply use ionizing radiation, the machine’s logistics program has the subjects details and mass, so it separates the free radicals from the subject allowing the image to be clear or it would be on big ball of crap that nobody would be able to read. The beauty of this machine is that you don’t have to increase the radiation for a deeper image; the machine can select the options and then strengthens or weakens the signals accordingly.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I shall have to get a smart phone... My current mobile is not very smart at all :(

Hi Heather,

How did you get the person's body not to overheat while applying these extreme RF Signals? Also, wouldn't the sound be deafening in the exam room?

Normal MRI uses the magnetic properties of molecules to align so that an antenna can measure the spin of the molecule. When you place your body in the magnet, a greater proportion of your molecules line up so that they can be measured more accurately. When the RF signal is bounced through the body, even more of the molecules lign up so that an even better measurement can be taken. It sounds like this type of scan doesn't utilize a superconductive magnet, so you would have to pulse some large RF through a person to get the same affect? Also, was this device implemented in some type of compact design with CT and PET? The very nature of combining these 3 modalities into one machine makes me think of something very cumbersome to behold. A CT has to be shaped like a donut and have a focal point to stream the radiation from, while PET is just a few flat panels to measure the activity of the radioactive isotopes.

Now MRI is inherently not cost effective to operate and not generally safe. It is a superconductive magnet, so you need liquid heluim and pumps, etc. and we are dealing with the inherent problems of having a high tesla magnet on at all times. To be able to have an MRI type exam without the large magnet has potential to transform diagnostic medicine.

Now the cost savings of being able to do a CT and a safe MRI at the same time and have an affordable piece of equipment to do so could revolutionize medical diagnosis, so the releasing of details of this proprietary diagnostic equipment could have as much impact on your security as anything else you have come forward and confessed. This is just my thoughts on the matter.

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt64M9-TIlY


Now here is something serious.....


So the first time they were activated to test their reflexive response they killed five people, two doctors and three soldiers, because these were trails, no safe words or tones or safety protocols were implemented, a very bad mistake that cost us some lives. Three of the units were terminated during this incident.

8 people dead, all murdered.

Now how would you react to this??????

Not like this I hope........



We worked very closely with the units until February of 07, when a man from the department of
defense came to the facility, we were actually excited to show off the units

I love our members clinical approach to discussing aspects of genocide. It reminds me of nazi scientists nonchalantly discussing aspects of high altitude experiments.

[Carmody]

I have a question based on the document that Bill pointed to at the beginning of this thread. What is a non-magnetic MRI machine? (pg 5 of the Heather document). I have never heard of a non-magnetic magnetic resonance imager before. Just curious as to how that would work.

Good question, this has been around for a while now. The MRI machines we use are called CEI, carrier electric imaging this is not hush hush, it just is going through the usual testing and application field research, we were able to use one due to the fact that our superiors did not class our work as human testing. But organic performance enhancement if you look at DARPA’s financial justification documents for this fiscal year you see a whole plethora of things like this.

Instead of using a magnetic field to align the nuclei, it uses the human body’s electrical charge, just as our nuclei are pliable by the use of magnetic fields our body has electrical impulses that run throughout.

So we still use the radio waves, but it’s in conjunction with the electrical field, this creates an electrical conduit that includes the body itself and then through the radio combination we tune the nuclei into the pattern we want. Note that this procedure would be extremely uncomfortable for any normal human unless sedated. We use this imaging device to look at the images as any standard MRI would and it includes the ability for a PET and CT scan as well so it’s versatile.

Back to the radio waves instead of faint signals produced in the rational MRI, we need to use stronger signals to direct and control the nuclei, once we spread the picture out the way we want it, then we simply use ionizing radiation, the machine’s logistics program has the subjects details and mass, so it separates the free radicals from the subject allowing the image to be clear or it would be on big ball of crap that nobody would be able to read. The beauty of this machine is that you don’t have to increase the radiation for a deeper image; the machine can select the options and then strengthens or weakens the signals accordingly.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I shall have to get a smart phone... My current mobile is not very smart at all :(

This makes sense to me.

This is not my specific area of expertise, but we are stepping from traditional public applications of public science/physics/dimensional considerations/understandings....into the esoteric... and that's where I sit.

This hits some strong points in that regard.

This is apparently a mechanical analogy of what people do with their own psychic energies to manipulate 3d space/time.

John of God, is a perfect example of how it ~MUST~ be done.

But a mechanical controlled feedback system?

Literally...MAN MADE TULPA SYSTEMS.

These guys are playing god.... and this is what has killed off many civilizations that came before.

That crap is simply not allowed to get out and off this planet.

They appear to be drifting into multi-dimensional'/holographic space' feedback to create monstrosities, that the dimensionals who created this space use to, well.... create it.

We appear to have a very unconcerned group, unconcerned about spiritual and dimensional considerations, trying to push their way out of this thing.

The light in humankind being complemented by the dark, so a choice can be made.

To grow up, or lose it altogether.

Choice.

There is apparently...only one thing stopping it. That which exists out side of this human sphere, out there.

And they are apparently waiting for us to stop it, as they can't. That is a human affair, for a good reason. Police yourself ---or no galactic future.

It really is that simple.

[bilko]

Carmody
I understand and have some experience of aggression without aggression, unfortunately.
Mostly from my childhood. For humans one has to be not involved in the act either through intoxication of some sort or being absent of mind.
On the receiving end it is often not the act that is the most painful but the fact that the aggressor could commit such a thing ( whatever it may be ) without emotion.

We have several defenses it seems against such acts, unfortunately i don't know how to name them.
A human is extremely resilient, they will suffer far more than they would have imagined possible when it comes to physical damage. A man can be shot and not even know it.

A spirit will often leave the body momentarily just before a huge impact or during extreme pain. The body may scream and bleed but the eyes will be empty.
Amnesia is another long term defense.
Also we do not associate with physical damage as much as emotional damage simply because we are not our bodies. Only when we connect what is going on to emotion do we really loose it.
Anyway, sorry but i had to express that.
Btw, i was extremely interested in your astrology explanation but could only find vague references to the phases of planets. I am completely new to astrology which is strange because i have delved into nearly all aspects of 'the alternative' for want of a better word. Is there any way you can post a link to an easy and informative site please?
Sorry for being so thick.:)
Ps i always read everything you write and respect you a lot.:)

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Ice cold:
No comments, I noticed she did not answer the basic previous questions either? In case you missed that one it was the C10 H22 one… I feel I have been misunderstood, I am reworking the material that I was a part of. I have no intention of blowing the whistle on black PROGRAMS.
I am not blowing the whistle on anything that is not common knowledge. Within this community, the damage has been done and the information I had is no longer relevant as the program has started afresh with new subjects and a new location, of that I am certain.
I won’t blow the whistle on other programs because I won’t jeopardize the lives of others without consulting with them first, and it is illogical for them to agree to that kind of exposure or risk of relocation.

I am going to present the material in its entirety; this will cover a number of areas. These areas shall be the science, to the personal, their backgrounds and the sacrifice and cost, of course the scientific method and very graphic procedure that will not be pleasant reading for everybody.
Hardrock: Well done! I like people that know about things like this and have great questions, when working with this equipment that is not round it’s is like a door way that is on a pivot so the subject can lay at a 90 degree angle and the CEI pivots into place. Think of a movable arch way the top is free it bottom is on a slider and the middle has the pivot

Now also take into account the fact that this equipment is test equipment, on loan from places like DARPA or other groups that specialize in range finding, be it nuclear medicine/imaging or other areas.
As this equipment is not licensed or funded, as if it was records of a standard MRI machine can be traced, bill of sale and things of that nature must be accounted for, even though DARPA has a black budget they still need receipts, so we go elsewhere to have equipment created that is essentially untested and in some cases dangerous.

For example in Madrid three years ago a program was testing a new form of radiation purification, for water. The equipment used, succeeded in purifying the water but at the same time microwaved two of the scientists involved. This was due to the fact that important schematics were left out of the initial design. I feel that it was also because the original schematics were in Korean, and the translation to Castilian/Spanish was done incorrectly.

Back on topic, please excuse my tangent. So we are using unethical science, to gain logical results, which by definition is a illogical practice. The reason why IceColds friend does not understand, and that’s the truth she just does not know this level of work because her mind would not comprehend unethical means, in microbiology a huge emphasis is on ethics and what not to do and what to stay away from.

For her to understand this would be illogical. If she were to look at the information at the end of this once it has been put out she will understand, and also repulsed. I am very happy that she believes me to be a dreamer; I hope she keeps that ideology in her mind for a very long time.
Back to Hardrock; as described in the material, over heating was a problem that was not remedied in my time at the facility, and one that was looked at in depth, the CEI machine did not help this matter, the noise was also minimal MRI machines use frequencies and are basically giant speakers, this is electrical imaging combined with carrier to noise.

So the subject is placed on the gurney that itself is part of the machine, we have a layer of conductive material that is laid on the image does not show up on the computer at first the image is passed through the subject and projected behind them on thin layer of electrically conductive material.
Picture if you will that, we want to look at how the muscle definition of a unit is adapting to synthetic implantation and if the growth is increased or decreased, the procedure would be to look at the muscle fibers and rate of stimulation.
They are in the in the CEI and what I want you to think is imagine copy and pasting moving image, as long as they are in the machine and the projection is on the film, we can still manipulate the signal to view the parts of the body we want.
Getting technical we can also increase electrical stimuli to that specific muscle and observe and record its density and, growth and any change in characteristics.

It was deemed essential to catalog the growth and change of the unit in question over time in relation to a human being. Again this is classed as a non-human trial.
Also this is part of the PH 9.9 question, due to the synthetic aspects of the units, certain components leaks lead to alkaline poisoning, a human being would be dead, a unit, would not, the brain can’t over heat if it has an internal coolant system, being pumped via an artificial heart, other aspects and organs did suffer and we lost a few this way.

Look at me rattling away:P

[perfectresonance]

So the first time they were activated to test their reflexive response they killed five people, two doctors and three soldiers, because these were trails, no safe words or tones or safety protocols were implemented, a very bad mistake that cost us some lives. Three of the units were terminated during this incident.

8 people dead, all murdered.

Now how would you react to this??????

Not like this I hope........



We worked very closely with the units until February of 07, when a man from the department of
defense came to the facility, we were actually excited to show off the units

I love our members clinical approach to discussing aspects of genocide. It reminds me of nazi scientists nonchalantly discussing aspects of high altitude experiments.

I suspect there would be a huge dichotomy where you can be doing something that you are deeply ashamed and repulsed about and at the same time can be very proud of as it took a lot of thought and hard work.

Have you ever watched a documentary on the latest sniper rifle, air craft or tank? I watch it and marvel at all the cool science, at the same time forgetting what these things are supposed to do in the end.

I'm not justifying or condoning this, but just offering an example of the human mind's ability to be in an apparently contradictory state.

It just struck me that's an "interesting" thing in itself - think of true Crimes of Passion, where someone is loved* so much and also murdered by the same person.

Human minds can justify all sorts of contradictory situations to itself.

Finally, it can also be considered one of the mind's amazing capabilities to compartmentalise contradictory things. I suspect it might be linked to some kind of survival mechanism.

Until, of course, it isn't able to do that any more, and the person commits suicide, develops some other coping disorder, or will act against orders/contract and decides to "do the right thing" and looks for things where they can stop it, destroy it or at a minimum atone or soothe their own troubled conscience.

---
* I don't want to debate if this is true love or only thought of as love by the murderer - it's just an example of a dichotomous state of mind in this context.

[Arrowwind]

I view it at absolutely corrupt, absolutely sick, absolutely horrific, absolutely evil.
This potential for animal mind resides in many of us.
It must be stood against at all times,
a voice must sound each and every time such
filth is promoted as anything more that what it is
lest we all become brainwashed into a dark agenda.

If Joanie is here to inform us,
to help us,
to redeem her soul
then I am all for her telling her story.
If she is not trying to redeem her soul
then what is her motivation?

revenge?
anger?
control of others?
insanity?
self defence of some sort
I have no clue

If she is here to corrupt
misinform, lie, sabatoge
then lets reveal it for what it is
and root the menace out quickly.

Personally, I have found little in the story
I find believable
and for all the reasons
Bill has already outlined
but also including the
the immense implausabiltiy
of the medical procedures she describes

[Kerry Cassidy]

Whiskey_Mystic: True, I could also show my R-PAS too, but at this stage in the game as I said I will happily give that to Bill.

VajraYaya: it’s a joke then stay and laugh, or walk away, I deserve no apology from Bill I do not deserve one, I instigated much of this madness and I lament doing so. Your Bill vs. Kerry fantasy came true, as you appear to jump on Kerry the first chance that you have. You said yourself you waited for them to split, so I don’t see any reason why you would portray anything other than what you are antagonistic.

Celine: I like your mothering instinct but, it is not needed here, nobody is in danger or needs protection, I do not believe in love myself, it is a simple electrical impulse and nothing more. There is a story of a man that was in a car crash and damaged the frontal lobe of his brain. He went from a caring and loving husband and father to not caring if they lived or died. The brain dictates love; the soul does not understand the function of love. This is why we come here to experience it in physical form. That is quite esoterically lithe even for me.
Ben deserves an apology more than most, simply due to the way he was treated, not by Bill so much by the mob rule that jumps on their prey; the feline is an adequate symbol for both Camelot and Avalon. I know that’s not what you want to hear but it’s true.
Whilst it went bad for Ben, Bill was simply doing his job, as I did mine, I don’t think for one instant that Ben has every blamed Bill for this, he has and rightly so attacked me for my apathy.

Perfectresonace: I like you, I like the way you think and I am would not be surprised if you were a field agent of some kind.
To answer your questions; the question I asked was posed as a question directed at a Icecolds professor of Genetic engineering, I did not say the question was my own, and next time I will cite the question but I actually figured the question was standard, as it’s as common as asking a risk management supervisor, how would they protect their organization from criminal liability? You see it’s simple and if googled thousands of cites will bring up that same question or should.

I also did not want to ask anything as simple as I asked the yesterday such as the C10 H22 question that should not need to be googled, indeed the original question should not have needed to be googled, as it was not aimed at Avalon goers but more of a test for Ice cold’s friend.
Incidentally, Agape got the general premise right and was correct about Influenza. My personal question about the DNA modification was also easy, if and only if ALL the data was present. The first question should be how do you raise a person’s alkaline level like that without killing them?
And then request the data to see how it’s done. Science is like a homicide investigation, without all of the facts it could and in most cases will be made to look like a suicide.

As for sending people to deal with me, I have an ace up my sleeve and, that’s why I am somewhat cavalier about things, but I am cautious, I do not under estimate anybody’s ability on this forum, we all have reasons why we’re here. But I felt I have two options, continue to hide and let this die, or stand up and say I want justice for what was done.

I want Bill to meet me because I want to introduce him to a gentleman I worked with and whom I worked on, his name is Rodger and he was the sole reason that the material was released, because I used the material, as my own personal vehicle to get him out of his then dire situation.
I am would not state that I am openly approachable by any means, it’s how one approaches that dictates what happens as I am far from alone.

Hi there,

With all due respect to whoever this group/individual is...

I just talked to Ben Murphy to find out his views on whether this appearance of 'Heather' is legit or not... He does not believe this is the Heather (Joanie) that he knows. I agree.

I understand some people at Avalon traced the IP back to two places, Florida and Germany... Ben has also gotten info that the IP is also being traced to the UK, France and Ireland.

Both Ben and I have had dialogs with the real Heather and this person now posting does not have the same emotional 'signature' and the statements in many cases are strangely clinical or more like a computer than a human. The current person(s) posting under the Heather name are making statements that are not in alignment with where Joanie was really coming from... There are other anomalies as well.

What I get is there is a group behind the posts... Coming on the tail end of the Charles Op it would appear this is another Op. Again, concentrated on Bill and Avalon for whatever reason.

Whether anything of value will be contributed or the motivation for the new persona(s) behind the posts...remains to be seen.


For the record.

Kerry

[Calz]

Hi there,

With all due respect to whoever this group/individual is...

I just talked to Ben Murphy to find out his views on whether this appearance of 'Heather' is legit or not... He does not believe this is the Heather (Joanie) that he knows. I agree.

I understand some people at Avalon traced the IP back to two places, Florida and Germany... Ben has also gotten info that the IP is also being traced to the UK, France and Ireland.

Both Ben and I have had dialogs with the real Heather and this person now posting does not have the same emotional 'signature' and the statements in many cases are strangely clinical or more like a computer than a human. The current person(s) posting under the Heather name are making statements that are not in alignment with where Joanie was really coming from... There are other anomalies as well.

What I get is there is a group behind the posts... Coming on the tail end of the Charles Op it would appear this is another Op. Again, concentrated on Bill and Avalon for whatever reason.

Whether anything of value will be contributed or the motivation for the new persona(s) behind the posts...remains to be seen.


For the record.

Kerry

Thank you Kerry,

Appreciate your effort to help with the confusion :)

Cal

[K626]

Thanks for the heads up Kerry. Shame I found it quite interesting. Oh well...

Peace

K

[greybeard]

Seems this Heather is an impostor according to Kerry.
It is very difficult to validate the real from the false.
Im glad I dont have to
Chris

[jorr lundstrom]

Hi guys. What could you been doing instead of hanging chitchatting in this thread with this/ those God knows wot?

[cayman]

Thank you for your effort, Kerry

Things just get warmup, games so fun! Man! I'm so happy to see the great show for bedtime

[greybeard]

Hi guys. What could you been doing instead of hanging chitchatting in this thread with this/ those God knows wot?

Your safe with God /Creator / Source / Higher Self.
You know where you are, smiling
For sure you exist and you breath in and out till you dont
Gratitude for the moment keeps me happy and full of life.
What else is there?
Chris

[jorr lundstrom]

Hi guys. What could you been doing instead of hanging chitchatting in this thread with this/ those God knows wot?

Your safe with God /Creator / Source / Higher Self.
You know where you are, smiling
For sure you exist and you breath in and out till you dont
Gratitude for the moment keeps me happy and full of life.
What else is there?
Chris

Thank you for your lovely comments. I think you seriously misinterpreted my post thou.

I am also sitting watching the world, but I am still a participant too. Its not over until ist over. LOL

[Scott]

Hi guys. What could you been doing instead of hanging chitchatting in this thread with this/ those God knows wot?

Your safe with God /Creator / Source / Higher Self.
You know where you are, smiling
For sure you exist and you breath in and out till you dont
Gratitude for the moment keeps me happy and full of life.
What else is there?
Chris

"What else is there?"
Hot Cocoa :)

[Bill Ryan]

Hi there,

With all due respect to whoever this group/individual is...

I just talked to Ben Murphy to find out his views on whether this appearance of 'Heather' is legit or not... He does not believe this is the Heather (Joanie) that he knows. I agree.

I understand some people at Avalon traced the IP back to two places, Florida and Germany... Ben has also gotten info that the IP is also being traced to the UK, France and Ireland.

Both Ben and I have had dialogs with the real Heather and this person now posting does not have the same emotional 'signature' and the statements in many cases are strangely clinical or more like a computer than a human. The current person(s) posting under the Heather name are making statements that are not in alignment with where Joanie was really coming from... There are other anomalies as well.

What I get is there is a group behind the posts... Coming on the tail end of the Charles Op it would appear this is another Op. Again, concentrated on Bill and Avalon for whatever reason.

Whether anything of value will be contributed or the motivation for the new persona(s) behind the posts...remains to be seen.

For the record.

Kerry

Well.......

Not much surprises me these days, but that did. :)

Kerry, thank you.

For the record (to echo your own words) - Heather's IP address for some of her posts is identical to Ben's. There can only be a finite number of possible explanations.

[Calz]

Hi there,

With all due respect to whoever this group/individual is...

I just talked to Ben Murphy to find out his views on whether this appearance of 'Heather' is legit or not... He does not believe this is the Heather (Joanie) that he knows. I agree.

I understand some people at Avalon traced the IP back to two places, Florida and Germany... Ben has also gotten info that the IP is also being traced to the UK, France and Ireland.

Both Ben and I have had dialogs with the real Heather and this person now posting does not have the same emotional 'signature' and the statements in many cases are strangely clinical or more like a computer than a human. The current person(s) posting under the Heather name are making statements that are not in alignment with where Joanie was really coming from... There are other anomalies as well.

What I get is there is a group behind the posts... Coming on the tail end of the Charles Op it would appear this is another Op. Again, concentrated on Bill and Avalon for whatever reason.

Whether anything of value will be contributed or the motivation for the new persona(s) behind the posts...remains to be seen.

For the record.

Kerry

Well.......

Not much surprises me these days, but that did. :)

Kerry, thank you.

For the record (to echo your own words) - Heather's IP address for some of her posts is identical to Ben's. There can only be a finite number of possible explanations.

forgive the double post but I expect it is appropriate ...

In the words of Art Bell ... BING BING BING :)

We love you both and want a movement toward unity again. You BOTH are why we have come here!

Cal

[Carmody]

All in all, very interesting as it was moving toward being a proper explanation--- but only heading.

My original point remained unanswered. Which is information that potent ....cannot survive in open air. A response would come, and it would come fast.

[ace]

Hi there,

With all due respect to whoever this group/individual is...

I just talked to Ben Murphy to find out his views on whether this appearance of 'Heather' is legit or not... He does not believe this is the Heather (Joanie) that he knows. I agree.

I understand some people at Avalon traced the IP back to two places, Florida and Germany... Ben has also gotten info that the IP is also being traced to the UK, France and Ireland.

Both Ben and I have had dialogs with the real Heather and this person now posting does not have the same emotional 'signature' and the statements in many cases are strangely clinical or more like a computer than a human. The current person(s) posting under the Heather name are making statements that are not in alignment with where Joanie was really coming from... There are other anomalies as well.

What I get is there is a group behind the posts... Coming on the tail end of the Charles Op it would appear this is another Op. Again, concentrated on Bill and Avalon for whatever reason.

Whether anything of value will be contributed or the motivation for the new persona(s) behind the posts...remains to be seen.

For the record.

Kerry

Well.......

Not much surprises me these days, but that did. :)

Kerry, thank you.

For the record (to echo your own words) - Heather's IP address for some of her posts is identical to Ben's. There can only be a finite number of possible explanations.

Ben is Heather......

Ace

[Agape]

For the record (to echo your own words) - Heather's IP address for some of her posts is identical to Ben's. There can only be a finite number of possible explanations.

Hello Bill,

the forum software is not unbreakable and I've seen people reported various improbable technical glitches recently.

If you and Kerry do not trust 'this' Heather, Joannie, what Ben and Aaaron Mc Collum think/feel and say about it can not be trusted either. If it's a game it is played by all of them together and maybe more are waiting in backgrounds .

There has to be purpose of the game .

I'm not saying it is so . I could link you to a source website of huge conspiracy game players who deal with science in fiction phenomena and they work under cover names and as a group have definitely more chance to succeed than any truthful individual alone.

[crosby]

thank you Mr. Ryan and Kerry Cassidy. you have both done a wonderful job of getting to the bottom of this conundrum. we all appreciate the time and effort and energy that has gone into this discussion. i personally thought i was gonna go nuts trying to figure out why some of the answers sounded so different than some of the others in context and content. was trying very hard to remember all of the syntax/symantics that are impressed upon for conversation. BRAVO TO YOU BOTH. and thank you.
warmest regards, corson

[Carmody]

Biologicals IIRC, require a complex pH through the cellular components..not a singular point, so how could such a thing even begin to form? I've no idea, I have no answers.

Ionic exchange and stability on flow systems of that nature happens at a pH of 7.0, which is why the human body uses it in the blood. Too bad, it was just getting interesting. too far off the center pH point, and the complexities (complex physical aspects) cannot form...?

hhmmmm

It falls into place, JUST a tad.... with the ionizing radiation and the (ac) electromagnetic fields as being a possibility, maybe. But after that, I've no idea.

Try as I may, some sexiness (extreme or non-standard plausibility) remains.

Whoever thought this up....does know something about such subjects from the esoteric edges of fringe science that are out there. Just a hair past the public discourse, it is.

[Carmody]

Alchemy remains the king of this area,as it carries the pH complexity within the given deformed atomic radius... and that is portable energies, which can go anywhere, so that problem is solved.

Any manipulative energies would necessarily have to go into the frequencies for atomic radii, but be controlled in the extreme. The initial explanation that I warmed a bit to... headed in that direction.

Which is why the TSA scanners are NOT on my list of being anything I'd like to go through. I'd opt out.

[Icecold]

I view it at absolutely corrupt, absolutely sick, absolutely horrific, absolutely evil.
This potential for animal mind resides in many of us.
It must be stood against at all times,
a voice must sound each and every time such
filth is promoted as anything more that what it is
lest we all become brainwashed into a dark agenda.

If Joanie is here to inform us,
to help us,
to redeem her soul
then I am all for her telling her story.
If she is not trying to redeem her soul
then what is her motivation?

revenge?
anger?
control of others?
insanity?
self defence of some sort
I have no clue

If she is here to corrupt
misinform, lie, sabatoge
then lets reveal it for what it is
and root the menace out quickly.

Personally, I have found little in the story
I find believable
and for all the reasons
Bill has already outlined
but also including the
the immense implausabiltiy
of the medical procedures she describes


Hi Arrowwind,

In my view her motivation is clear.....to re-acquire the NWO debate for the US NWO experts. Specifically Kerry Cassidy. The second motivation is to get at Bill Ryan and possibly get at the Charles material at the core level.

[Lucc30]

Hi Rich and Theswe...............
Good to hear Heather - welcome!
Are Roger doing well if out of his usually environment?

Oh dear, (3 x 24h awayfrom=alotofupdating) - 14 more pages to go. But still; how do Rodger manage out there in RL(edu and sci aside)?

[greybeard]

Hi guys. What could you been doing instead of hanging chitchatting in this thread with this/ those God knows wot?

Your safe with God /Creator / Source / Higher Self.
You know where you are, smiling
For sure you exist and you breath in and out till you dont
Gratitude for the moment keeps me happy and full of life.
What else is there?
Chris

Thank you for your lovely comments. I think you seriously misinterpreted my post thou.

I am also sitting watching the world, but I am still a participant too. Its not over until ist over. LOL

No I was saying the same as you more or less.

I believe in doing what you can.
Have a look at my signature.
Im busy with helping kids in Africa get a good start.

Regards

[Hiram]

her motivation is clear.....to re-acquire the NWO debate for the US NWO experts. Specifically Kerry Cassidy. The second motivation is to get at Bill Ryan and possibly get at the Charles material at the core level.

Hmmmmmm. And yet, she will do none of those things;-)

[DevilPigeon]

i'm confused.....

[crosby]

i'm confused.....

about what?........heather?
warmest regards - corson

[jorr lundstrom]

Well you could always use your boot to kick other things than footballs:laugh:

[DevilPigeon]

i'm confused.....

about what?........heather?
warmest regards - corson

yeah... you got any idea what's goin on.....?

even how it all got started is a bit weird - GW had an "inkling" to do a bit of research into it all (why, and what prompted it i have no idea) and happened upon "heather". now, this "heather" has been posting answers that for the most part don't seem to correlate with the questions being asked, and indeed between all the spelling/grammatical errors there's a word-perfect "copy & paste" job from a research web site. then there's all the to-ing & fro-ing between "heather" and us mere mortal members, akin to a bad pantomime ("you're full of cr*p!"/"oh no i'm not!"/"oh yes you are!" etc etc), yet all the time "heather" to her credit hasn't reacted all that badly, and doesn't deviate too far from her earlier posts.

now late on this evening, kerry posts saying that she doesn't think this "heather" is the real deal, and then bill responds to that saying he was pleasantly shocked by what kerry said, and then a further post indicates that "heather" might be "ben".....!

so.... i'm very confused. could someone give me the story "in a nutshell".... in my defence, i've had very bad flu the past 2 weeks and my brain's still swimming in a sea of mucus so i'm not picking up the vibes as well as i usually do LOL.

[crosby]

i'm confused.....

about what?........heather?
warmest regards - corson

yeah... you got any idea what's goin on.....?

even how it all got started is a bit weird - GW had an "inkling" to do a bit of research into it all (why, and what prompted it i have no idea) and happened upon "heather". now, this "heather" has been posting answers that for the most part don't seem to correlate with the questions being asked, and indeed between all the spelling/grammatical errors there's a word-perfect "copy & paste" job from a research web site. then there's all the to-ing & fro-ing between "heather" and us mere mortal members, akin to a bad pantomime ("you're full of cr*p!"/"oh no i'm not!"/"oh yes you are!" etc etc), yet all the time "heather" to her credit hasn't reacted all that badly, and doesn't deviate too far from her earlier posts.

now late on this evening, kerry posts saying that she doesn't think this "heather" is the real deal, and then bill responds to that saying he was pleasantly shocked by what kerry said, and then a further post indicates that "heather" might be "ben".....!

so.... i'm very confused. could someone give me the story "in a nutshell".... in my defence, i've had very bad flu the past 2 weeks and my brain's still swimming in a sea of mucus so i'm not picking up the vibes as well as i usually do LOL.

well you have it correct. you're following the dialog. nobody knows what gw's motives were for bringing "heather" here. i'm sure they weren't devious. the very fact that "heather" couldn't answer the majority of the questions without copy/paste is beyond me. apparently as per kerry's post, there are indeed several individuals posting as "heather" from different areas. so, in essence, "heather" is not "heather". there was also another quote that "heather" was actually "ben". but i really don't know. i can't comment on all of the medical/technical areas as i am not in either field, however, some people here knew there was something wrong with the answers and statements that "heather" was posting. not just the words she posted but the essence of "her" posts were different each time. just like everyone else here at pa, we all have a particular dimension or personality that other members notice, "hers" kept changing. somewhere along the line somebody stated that she was schizophrenic......because her behavior kept changing......so you're on top of things. we're all a little confounded. who knows what the motivation is behind this whole thing.
warmest regards, corson

[perfectresonance]

i'm confused.....

From the records I have been privy to, messages placed by Joanie on Avalon have originated from two IP addresses.

I suspect the other locations that Kerry mentioned may have been traced from Project Camelot's forums.

One IP number used on Avalon was the same as the one used by Ben. <-- red flag

The other is in Frankfurt Germany. <-- red flag

(This was explained by logging into a Florida system via an educational secure link)

But here is the rub - that IP number in Germany is currently on a number of "ban" lists for "UCE" (spam) and other unwanted Internet activity.

This suggests the computer attached to the Frankfurt IP number is under the control of others for the purpose of sending spam at a minimum. <--- red flag

If other geographically spread IP addresses are being used to access Camelot then it is natural to start thinking that Joanie, whoever she is/they are, are part of an organised effort using "zombie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_computer)" computers.

When Charles said he was no longer going to "deal with" Bill, he suggested that others would take his place. I recall (I have no link) he suggested these would likely be the same people who were involved in the PC split.

So, this is why, when "Heather" popped up, I left the message that I found the timing "interesting".
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13775-Heather-is-here...&p=139777&viewfull=1#post139777)

I'm sure this specific "OP" is now dead in the water.

What amazes me is how amateurish it all is. It was carried out in such a ridiculously technically poor way.

Yet. The person/people behind this do seem to be able to command the use of a number of computers around the world.

It will be interesting to see where Joanie will take this when she gets back.

And for me, GW goes back on my "grey list", together with Ben.

This the current conundrum:

- Kerry trusts Ben
- Ben's IP number is used by "Heather" on Avalon
- Kerry says Ben says Joanie isn't the real "Heather"

At an absolute minimum, I'd take Ben's computer off the Internet, erase the hard drive and install a fresh OS. Because if Ben is above board, then his computer is compromised and being used by "Team Joanie".

Of course, if you think Ben is part of the COINTEL OP against PC back then, and therefore also now, then the explanation is obvious.

I leave room for Ben being a patsy - in which case he's not out of the woods yet.

------

Final note:

In the "Heather Document", header signed as Heather "TC" Anderson.
On both PC and PA forums, she registered as HeatherJJAnderson.

Just one of those data points that flashes at you even though you don't know what's behind it yet :)


(Sorry for the long post - I will now go feral for a few days. Might show you a picture or two when I get back. Have fun)

[Lucc30]

Oh Heather, Heather - Heather!
You - as a scienetist should know really much better:
(qoute to Celine):

'Celine: I like your mothering instinct but, it is not needed here, nobody is in danger or needs protection, I do not believe in love myself, it is a simple electrical impulse and nothing more. There is a story of a man that was in a car crash and damaged the frontal lobe of his brain. He went from a caring and loving husband and father to not caring if they lived or died. The brain dictates love; the soul does not understand the function of love. This is why we come here to experience it in physical form. That is quite esoterically lithe even for me.'

Love is not an electric impulse (Na/K ions transfer) - it is all about hormones (what starts them). What about your α–hypophamine relationship with Roger/Rodger?

[Star Gazer]

Good detective work, perfectresonance. You're a great asset this community.

[Kikine]

This is not kikine it's Ben Murphy, she very kindly allowed me to post using her info cheers hun x
Bill i came here to really lay into you i have had it with this forum, the only way i can log in is with this username and i am not doing it again, because it's not mine. Upon having my daughter make me smile and take the edge off how pissed off i am at you as amn then your just not worth it, i thought highly of you, i never cast you in a dark light and again you throw me under the bus for the second time and i won't put my kids through it, because you want to make your self look good. I promised myself I would take the high road but you make it very difficult to do so with your snyde comments THIS is MY IP adress mate, my other is for work and work alone.

Who ever this chick is she has heathers email adress, I might be a blunt tool Bill, but the very fact that you all jump to a stupid conclusion makes me think you wanted it to me be all along so you could gloat, as you did. So she used an IP I did the woman sent emails from Germany one day and Ireland the next you figure it out

You are not worth my time, I don't aprechiate it, your pushing your luck with me mate, i am asking you one time to stop ok, figure this out yourself, ban the other person do whatever but leave me the **** alone!

Sorry the rest of you had to read this.

[crosby]

wow.....................what was that?
corson

[Ahkenaten]

i'm confused.....

From the records I have been privy to, messages placed by Joanie on Avalon have originated from two IP addresses.

I suspect the other locations that Kerry mentioned may have been traced from Project Camelot's forums.

One IP number used on Avalon was the same as the one used by Ben. <-- red flag

The other is in Frankfurt Germany. <-- red flag

(This was explained by logging into a Florida system via an educational secure link)

But here is the rub - that IP number in Germany is currently on a number of "ban" lists for "UCE" (spam) and other unwanted Internet activity.

This suggests the computer attached to the Frankfurt IP number is under the control of others for the purpose of sending spam at a minimum. <--- red flag

If other geographically spread IP addresses are being used to access Camelot then it is natural to start thinking that Joanie, whoever she is/they are, are part of an organised effort using "zombie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_computer)" computers.

When Charles said he was no longer going to "deal with" Bill, he suggested that others would take his place. I recall (I have no link) he suggested these would likely be the same people who were involved in the PC split.

So, this is why, when "Heather" popped up, I left the message that I found the timing "interesting".
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13775-Heather-is-here...&p=139777&viewfull=1#post139777)

I'm sure this specific "OP" is now dead in the water.

What amazes me is how amateurish it all is. It was carried out in such a ridiculously technically poor way.

Yet. The person/people behind this do seem to be able to command the use of a number of computers around the world.

It will be interesting to see where Joanie will take this when she gets back.

And for me, GW goes back on my "grey list", together with Ben.

This the current conundrum:

- Kerry trust Ben
- Ben's IP number is used by "Heather" on Avalon
- Kerry says Ben says Joanie isn't the real "Heather"

At an absolute minimum, I'd take Ben's computer off the Internet, erase the hard drive and install a fresh OS. Because if Ben is above board, then his computer is compromised and being used by "Team Joanie".

Of course, if you think Ben is part of the COINTEL OP against PC back then, and therefore also now, then the explanation is obvious.

I leave room for Ben being a patsy - in which case he's not out of the woods yet.

------

Final note:

In the "Heather Document", header signed as Heather "TC" Anderson.
On both PC and PA forums, she registered as HeatherJJAnderson.

Just once of those data points that flashes at you even though you don't know what's behind it yet :)


(Sorry for the long post - I will now go feral for a few days. Might show you a picture or two when I get back. Have fun)

I have said before - and this is a theory - that PA is being beta-tested. It is no secret that TPTB (they still are in control) are very concerned about the power of social networks working on the internet to disrupt existing power structures, for example - Egypt and many things going on in the Middle East. Obviously the governments and those who control the governments - and we know who those people are if not specifically, in general - also are taking a very close look at social networks and PA is one of them in the "alternative news" segment. In fact recently specific efforts have been undertaken by big foundations to fund research projects looking into these networks and I would imagine it would be logical for those interested to fund projects that actively intervene in such networks to learn how they may be understood, disrupted and/or redirected, and many other things. It would not be beyond belief to suggest that PA could be actively being tested by DARPA-level technologies in real-time, looking into individuals engaged including me - and applying high-technology strategies to intervene and disrupt our lives and thought processes, again under the rubric of BETA testing. These tracking/monitoring technologies exist we know that beyond a doubt. That the virtual communities pose a real and genuine threat to the status quo is also a known fact. Do not be surprised therefor if something that appears to be "paranormal" occurs in your life. You ARE being tracked and monitored, we all would be stupid to think otherwise. That very well could explain all the stuff that is going on. YOU are in an experiment.

[jorr lundstrom]

Ok, how many red flags does it take?

[Ahkenaten]

Ok, how many red flags does it take?

The red flags are up

[Fredkc]

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[davyj0nes]

aww... the story was just starting to get good too. oh well, lol.

[bitworm]

i'm confused.....


But here is the rub - that IP number in Germany is currently on a number of "ban" lists for "UCE" (spam) and other unwanted Internet activity.

This suggests the computer attached to the Frankfurt IP number is under the control of others for the purpose of sending spam at a minimum. <--- red flag

If other geographically spread IP addresses are being used to access Camelot then it is natural to start thinking that Joanie, whoever she is/they are, are part of an organised effort using "zombie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_computer)" computers.

(...)

What amazes me is how amateurish it all is. It was carried out in such a ridiculously technically poor way.

Yet. The person/people behind this do seem to be able to command the use of a number of computers around the world.

(...)

Of course, if you think Ben is part of the COINTEL OP against PC back then, and therefore also now, then the explanation is obvious.

I leave room for Ben being a patsy - in which case he's not out of the woods yet.

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When an IP shows up on blacklists, it could be part of a botnet like was said; also could be something like a tor endpoint or a simple web-based service like megaproxy.

If you don't know about tor(The Onion Router), check it out; not only can you use it to proxy out, you can click a button and your machine can be used as a server(endpoint) as well. By voluntarily doing this, though, you will get a lot of copyright infringement notices because of all the other people going through you to get their pirate stuff. Your IP will also end up on UCE blacklists because people will use your IP to do mailing(web-based) and comment spam. You will probably get blocked from doing google searches as well.

This being said, if one really wants to find out a person's real IP, there are things that can be done- these things are pretty well known by those with certain technical knowledge and creativity, like for instance, web developers and forum administrators.

[magicmanx]

Ahkenahten

Your Post 317

Finally you are getting it...... and believe me it runs even deeper.

Lots of love from the wee Scottish terrier in the corner worrying that great big bone with WHY! plastered all over it. ( see my post Re: Choose your own 18 here. (Bit of fun). # 160 )


With the brains and intelligence of all you fantastic guys posting and digging on this thread you should be able to work this all out standing on your heads. You guys have access to the technology to be able to start connecting the dots to this Charles Material.

Cheers

[Celine]

*celine sighs*

NO CLOAKS NO DAGGERS


these games are going to rebound on you...

[Astra]

wow.....................what was that?
corson

Oh, my gosh ... not another sleeping agent?!:doh:
( ... Astra takes a deep breath and decides to stay Heart Central ... )

:grouphug:

[crosby]

wow.....................what was that?
corson

Oh, my gosh ... not another sleeping agent?!:doh:
( ... Astra takes a deep breath and decides to stay Heart Central ... )

:grouphug:

my comment was posted because i wasn't expecting "ben" to answer or comment using someone else's membership.....i'm not clairvoyant, so i didn't see it coming. but i suppose everyone else did. it was an unexpected rant. "sleeping agent".....i wonder what that means
warmest regards, corson

[Astra]

wow.....................what was that?
corson

Oh, my gosh ... not another sleeping agent?!:doh:
( ... Astra takes a deep breath and decides to stay Heart Central ... )

:grouphug:

my comment was posted because i wasn't expecting "ben" to answer or comment using someone else's membership.....i'm not clairvoyant, so i didn't see it coming. but i suppose everyone else did. it was an unexpected rant. "sleeping agent".....i wonder what that means
warmest regards, corson

Oh, my apology to you ... this was a misunderstanding. I just wanted to make a reference (more like a joke) to kikine’s post, but did not want to overquote! So, I decided to make it like a dialog, and continue from where you’ve left ...
There are so many characters involved in Heather's character at this point, it is all like a theatre play ... or a play within a play ... now we have someone speaking up for Ben, or is this "Ben in disguise "? :confused: ... sorry again, the "sleeping agent" was not directed at you!

Peace and Love to all!
:grouphug:

[crosby]

gotcha. no harm no foul. just didn't understand what you were getting at.
warmest regards, corson

[crosby]

so i'm guessing that the mods and admins have locked down the ip's that ben and "heather" were coming in from. has anybody seen them on the thread information area since the thread re-opened?
warmest regards, corson

[mrmalco]

On one of the posts Heather says she doesn't believe love exists because she knows of someone who had a brain-trauma and couldn't feel love anymore. This is really shallow argument.
I know someone who is in a coma - unconscious ... presumably therefore consciousness is proved not to exist, a friend had a botched frontal operation and lost almost all her faculties ... presumably those faculties (memory, attention etc.) therefore do not exist. Blindness presumably proves sight does not exist. No need to go on. All respect to real scientific thought; this sort of facile selective argument needs to be named for what it is.
By the way Heather (Joanie?) I've been enjoying all the sleuthing and challenges around your stuff. I didn't really get the feeling that your mis-spelling of Clare College proved you weren't at Cambridge. I was at Cambridge and had friends at Clare, have visited many times over the years and certainly didn't register that you'd spelled it incorrectly. So ...
But a biologist friend (ex Immunology Prof at Bristol University) read some of your contributions and said just what other biologists quoted on this thread have said.

[Isostool]

I can't believe this thread only got one star! It's much better than that.
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Firstly, as for the spelling errors 'and that'... look I will have to agree. University very much teaches you to have standards in how you present what you write.. I mean seriously.. type your post up in word, check for errors, then transfer it. My posts aren't always perfect but .. you know. It's not if you can spell or not.. its if you present yourself as a professional of science or whatever its about having the skill to use word and spell check. That's open to everyone, even if being a good speller isn't. Intelligence, however, in general terms says: "use spell check, so that I look presentable." Especially if you are under the microscope. Or behind it as well, as the case may be.
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Yes I looked up cobbler too. "Cobblers is short for "cobbler's awls" which is a rhyming slang for 'balls' (testicles)". And no matter how good your 'cobbler' is, that ain't no match for the Rulers Of The World. If someone is here talking to us, then it is because they want them to be. And THAT has an agenda. It's not cause someone has a good cobbler. To think that's why is quite absurd.

"oh yes, I is have a very good Fake Passport. The Rulers Of The World will never find ME!!! .....(as I leak the reptilian agenda to all and sundry)"

what?
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I don't know if this person is who they claim to be or not - whatever. I'll keep reading and see what else happens. But I WILL say that the calibre of the OPs around the Alternative Community as a whole at present is pretty dank. I mean, you're all pushed for your money around here anyway [specifically Avalon, I reckon], regardless of the people who'll take a bait. Cause even though we've not had insider training, there's plenty of naturally grown smart arses around these days to keep situation pretty tight. Ha. I think it's a laugh, especially considering the intel Oprahtives get .. and we've just our walkie talkies. Vroooom Vrooooom.
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Just swept for spelling errors.. looks alright. Cut. And. Post.

[Limor Wolf]

"Ben originally posted (as Kikine):
This is not kikine it's Ben Murphy, she very kindly allowed me to post using her info cheers hun x
Bill i came here to really lay into you i have had it with this forum, the only way i can log in is with this username and i am not doing it again, because it's not mine. Upon having my daughter make me smile and take the edge off how pissed off i am at you as amn then your just not worth it, i thought highly of you, i never cast you in a dark light and again you throw me under the bus for the second time and i won't put my kids through it, because you want to make your self look good. I promised myself I would take the high road but you make it very difficult to do so with your snyde comments THIS is MY IP adress mate, my other is for work and work alone.

Who ever this chick is she has heathers email adress, I might be a blunt tool Bill, but the very fact that you all jump to a stupid conclusion makes me think you wanted it to me be all along so you could gloat, as you did. So she used an IP I did the woman sent emails from Germany one day and Ireland the next you figure it out

You are not worth my time, I don't aprechiate it, your pushing your luck with me mate, i am asking you one time to stop ok, figure this out yourself, ban the other person do whatever but leave me the **** alone!

Sorry the rest of you had to read this.

Thank you Ben.i for one,am quite happy to read your post.it seals the lid on this small "adventure" and assists any member who still had the willing to give 'Heather' and you the benefit of the doubt to put this shamefull 'presentation' of yours aside.our good energy will welcome anyone who wish to assist the world as opposite to contribute to confusion. for that,one needs to come with clean intentions and integrity, no matter/however their past or current involvement. there are people here that 'smell' people from kilometers, SO THANKS FOR THAT :)

difficult accusations you had here...
you "were thrown under the bus" by Bill (?). it seems when someone can see right through you it clearly raise some anger...Mmm...self responsibility could be a good cure for that,DOCTORS ORDER in my opinion :) or change of energy? (just a suggestion).

i am sure many of us will not appreciate your next comment to Bill:"your pushing your luck with me mate".Dear 'Ben', Every act has consequences.i would think about it long and hard,mate :)

best wishes to you and yours (wich i am sure are following this carefully),

good day
Limor

[Flyswim]

Yeah - in London we say, 'What a load of old cobblers'. You got it, Isostool.

[Gone001]

i'm confused.....

about what?........heather?
warmest regards - corson

yeah... you got any idea what's goin on.....?

even how it all got started is a bit weird - GW had an "inkling" to do a bit of research into it all (why, and what prompted it i have no idea) and happened upon "heather". now, this "heather" has been posting answers that for the most part don't seem to correlate with the questions being asked, and indeed between all the spelling/grammatical errors there's a word-perfect "copy & paste" job from a research web site. then there's all the to-ing & fro-ing between "heather" and us mere mortal members, akin to a bad pantomime ("you're full of cr*p!"/"oh no i'm not!"/"oh yes you are!" etc etc), yet all the time "heather" to her credit hasn't reacted all that badly, and doesn't deviate too far from her earlier posts.

now late on this evening, kerry posts saying that she doesn't think this "heather" is the real deal, and then bill responds to that saying he was pleasantly shocked by what kerry said, and then a further post indicates that "heather" might be "ben".....!

so.... i'm very confused. could someone give me the story "in a nutshell".... in my defence, i've had very bad flu the past 2 weeks and my brain's still swimming in a sea of mucus so i'm not picking up the vibes as well as i usually do LOL.



i'm confused.....

From the records I have been privy to, messages placed by Joanie on Avalon have originated from two IP addresses.

I suspect the other locations that Kerry mentioned may have been traced from Project Camelot's forums.

One IP number used on Avalon was the same as the one used by Ben. <-- red flag

The other is in Frankfurt Germany. <-- red flag

(This was explained by logging into a Florida system via an educational secure link)

But here is the rub - that IP number in Germany is currently on a number of "ban" lists for "UCE" (spam) and other unwanted Internet activity.

This suggests the computer attached to the Frankfurt IP number is under the control of others for the purpose of sending spam at a minimum. <--- red flag

If other geographically spread IP addresses are being used to access Camelot then it is natural to start thinking that Joanie, whoever she is/they are, are part of an organised effort using "zombie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_computer)" computers.

When Charles said he was no longer going to "deal with" Bill, he suggested that others would take his place. I recall (I have no link) he suggested these would likely be the same people who were involved in the PC split.

So, this is why, when "Heather" popped up, I left the message that I found the timing "interesting".
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13775-Heather-is-here...&p=139777&viewfull=1#post139777)

I'm sure this specific "OP" is now dead in the water.

What amazes me is how amateurish it all is. It was carried out in such a ridiculously technically poor way.

Yet. The person/people behind this do seem to be able to command the use of a number of computers around the world.

It will be interesting to see where Joanie will take this when she gets back.

And for me, GW goes back on my "grey list", together with Ben.

This the current conundrum:

- Kerry trust Ben
- Ben's IP number is used by "Heather" on Avalon
- Kerry says Ben says Joanie isn't the real "Heather"

At an absolute minimum, I'd take Ben's computer off the Internet, erase the hard drive and install a fresh OS. Because if Ben is above board, then his computer is compromised and being used by "Team Joanie".

Of course, if you think Ben is part of the COINTEL OP against PC back then, and therefore also now, then the explanation is obvious.

I leave room for Ben being a patsy - in which case he's not out of the woods yet.

------

Final note:

In the "Heather Document", header signed as Heather "TC" Anderson.
On both PC and PA forums, she registered as HeatherJJAnderson.

Just once of those data points that flashes at you even though you don't know what's behind it yet :)


(Sorry for the long post - I will now go feral for a few days. Might show you a picture or two when I get back. Have fun)

Your 'Grey' list? GW was trying to set up a thread for the purpose of having us be able too ask Heather questions. I can tell you without a doubt she didn't for see this outcome. She has a good heart and wouldn't do that kind of thing on purpose. Need I remind you at one time Bill supported Dan Burisch? Is Bill now on your your 'grey list' as well? People make mistakes I'm sure you have too. If you have anything else to say sprout a pair of stones and save the snotty comments for when the woman is back to defend herself.

WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL OPEN?!?!?!?!

Cheers,

Aldous

[Isostool]

Or such as what alkane does this formula belong to C10 H22? Then you get into Lewis structures and more fun stuff, but the key Scott is if I tell you to draw a Lewis structure for Butane, and I ask that you describe the relationship between the number of hydrogen’s and carbons, without having the table of elements I am working with you have no way of answering or understanding the question.

OK. C10 H22 is decane. It is also an acyclic alkane.

"Alkanes in which the carbon atoms are joined in chains are called acyclic alkanes and have the general formula CnH2n+2." [1]

The relationship between the NUMBER of hydrogens and carbons can be understood not only without 'the table of elements I am working with' but also without a regular one. It is too simple to require one. It states it right there: CnH2n+2 (Butane is the same.. C4H10.. it is an acyclic alkane).

If you are working with a special table of elements then asking that a person understand this fact by asking them to describe a simple numerical relation between hydrogen and carbon through Lewis structures... that does not seem particularly enlightening. And this fact is not understood by Lewis structures anyway, it is more conveniently described by structural formulae. Lewis structures are used to help describe the bonding in a molecule... NOT the numerical relationship between the hydrogen and the carbon.

If you are talking about the way they interact bonding wise then why not be asking Scott to draw up some VSEPR (Valence shell electron pair repulsion) diagrams or yet: some molecular orbital diagrams. And if you have a special table of elements, then it makes clear isoelectronium relationships and hypermagnecular behavioural trends does it? if so, then I don't think it's so out of our reach, as mere public o files.

A Poem Puzzle, for those who can be bothered decoding it:

CH3(CH2)2CHO

I like CH3(CH2)2CHO. Do you like CH3(CH2)2CHO? CH3(CH2)2CHO is nice.
Or are you more a CH3(CH2)7CHO kind of guy?
Or perhaps you do, but prefer CH3CH2CHO.
Becuase. you know. there's nothing worse than CH3(CH2)3CHO.

[1] Blackman. A. et al. 'Chemistry'. John Wiley & Sons Australia. Ltd 2008. p.50.

[jjl]

Heather says; "Ben originally posted (as Kikine):

This is not kikine it's Ben Murphy, she very kindly allowed me to post using her info cheers hun x
Bill i came here to really lay into you i have had it with this forum, the only way i can log in is with this username and i am not doing it again, because it's not mine. Upon having my daughter make me smile and take the edge off how pissed off i am at you as amn then your just not worth it, i thought highly of you, i never cast you in a dark light and again you throw me under the bus for the second time and i won't put my kids through it, because you want to make your self look good. I promised myself I would take the high road but you make it very difficult to do so with your snyde comments THIS is MY IP adress mate, my other is for work and work alone.

Who ever this chick is she has heathers email adress, I might be a blunt tool Bill, but the very fact that you all jump to a stupid conclusion makes me think you wanted it to me be all along so you could gloat, as you did. So she used an IP I did the woman sent emails from Germany one day and Ireland the next you figure it out

You are not worth my time, I don't aprechiate it, your pushing your luck with me mate, i am asking you one time to stop ok, figure this out yourself, ban the other person do whatever but leave me the **** alone!

Sorry the rest of you had to read this.
I am sure that there are many other websites that share your interests, I wish you well.

[schnurfel]

Well.......

Not much surprises me these days, but that did. :)



I guess beeing one of most effective in the alternative comunity one just has it comming to oneself... :)

[Chuck]

remind me, if I ever plan to be a fraudulent whistle blower to never come on to this forum... lol

Thanks every one for great detective work!

[Kikine]

Oh, my apology to you ... this was a misunderstanding. I just wanted to make a reference (more like a joke) to kikine’s post, but did not want to overquote! So, I decided to make it like a dialog, and continue from where you’ve left ...
There are so many characters involved in Heather's character at this point, it is all like a theatre play ... or a play within a play ... now we have someone speaking up for Ben, or is this "Ben in disguise "? :confused: ... sorry again, the "sleeping agent" was not directed at you!

Peace and Love to all!
:grouphug:

I am not Ben, and he will not use my account again. Sry for the confusion.

[Fractalius]

Always intriguing when someone says, "Sorry the rest of you had to hear this". That is what email is for. But then, the person saying that isn't usually sorry, they are merely grandstanding. Sometimes I wonder if there are many adults involved in the 'alternative media', so many act like a pack of spoilt kids. Must love the drama. My advice would be to keep your dramas to yourselves and have respect for self and others. Maybe take up a hobby.. yeah yeah I know, this is it.

[blufire]

“Tarred and feathered” and “ran out on a rail” . . . . .Avalon style

[Gardener]

Perfectresonance...wrote
When Charles said he was no longer going to "deal with" Bill, he suggested that others would take his place. I recall (I have no link) he suggested these would likely be the same people who were involved in the PC split.

[I]I'm sure this specific "OP" is now dead in the water.

What amazes me is how amateurish it all is. It was carried out in such a ridiculously technically poor way.

Or maybe the group is just getting more proficient with their BS antenna.



It will be interesting to see where Joanie will take this when she gets back.

Unlikely to be back but may try damage limitation, via 'Ben' when magically the real Joannie turns up.

And for me, GW goes back on my "grey list", together with Ben.

Was she already on your list?

On my grey list too by the way the thread started, I asked a question of GW earlier in the thread, asking how she knew that HeatherJJAnderson was the Heather in question. (She didn't answer yet, she is on respite) She can't say it was Ben who told her because already Ben has said she is not the real one. (ref \Kerry)

- Kerry trust Ben
- Ben's IP number is used by "Heather" on Avalon
- Kerry says Ben says Joanie isn't the real "Heather"

[I][COLOR="green"]Of course, if you think Ben is part of the COINTEL OP against PC back then, and therefore also now, then the explanation is obvious.

Most likely...If it walks like a duck etc...

I leave room for Ben being a patsy - in which case he's not out of the woods yet.

I don't think so, but I do think Kerry might want to re-think if she trusts Ben, or which Ben she trusts lol.

I could also be wrong in all of this, but I have more certainty now that you have thought the same .

g

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[HeatherJJAnderson]

I find most of this thread amusing, as most of you have no clue or even inclination of the scope of what is happening here. My advice would be to carry on, but work harder. I noticed the Cambridge bit, you either ignored the section on Clarification, and it's editor, please go back reread and try again.

It's true that we are not who you think we are and that you have no idea who we could possibly be.

I think most of what happened was covered by Kerry, she posted it herself on her forum. You have a lot of ground to cover, and you were all doing very well up until this speed bump. How can this be explained? Eliminate GW & Ben from this equation. Now look closer and try again, because your cold right now. Until we get the go ahead from Bill, we have to observe where you, the forum take this.

Roubaix

[HeatherJJAnderson]

“Tarred and feathered” and “ran out on a rail” . . . . .Avalon style

Were you? Well perhaps they will go easier on you next time...:p

[Arrowwind]

maybe charles and heather are mates? :yawn:

[tank anu]

I find most of this thread amusing, as most of you have no clue or even inclination of the scope of what is happening here. My advice would be to carry on, but work harder. I noticed the Cambridge bit, you either ignored the section on Clarification, and it's editor, please go back reread and try again.

It's true that we are not who you think we are and that you have no idea who we could possibly be.

I think most of what happened was covered by Kerry, she posted it herself on her forum. You have a lot of ground to cover, and you were all doing very well up until this speed bump. How can this be explained? Eliminate GW & Ben from this equation. Now look closer and try again, because your cold right now. Until we get the go ahead from Bill, we have to observe where you, the forum take this.

Roubaix

Ok, I'll bite. 'Roubaix'? Isn't that a city in France? Is there any significance in this?

[Isostool]

May I just say? This thread is a very good read.

btw, in relation to my last post, if the author would say in their defence that "I didn't mean it like that", then how about writing with some sentence structure and grammar which makes what you are trying to say even remotely understandable to your audience?

Your analogue was not even close to being equitable. And my comment on isoelectronium and hypermagnecular trends still apply even if you were speaking metaphorically.

If what and how you are saying it is causing so many "errors in translation", then I would be inclined to question the script and its writer as opposed to the audience. [/SIZE]

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[SIZE="3"][In relation to HJJA's last post...] Where we take this? ha! That's assuming we even deem it something other than ALSO JUST FOR AMUSEMENT.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

We know of Charles but do not know him personally. My name is just another handle. certain IP's have been blocked. :)

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This has direction, we just need the green light.

[K626]

I have said before - and this is a theory - that PA is being beta-tested. It is no secret that TPTB (they still are in control) are very concerned about the power of social networks working on the internet to disrupt existing power structures, for example - Egypt and many things going on in the Middle East. Obviously the governments and those who control the governments - and we know who those people are if not specifically, in general - also are taking a very close look at social networks and PA is one of them in the "alternative news" segment. In fact recently specific efforts have been undertaken by big foundations to fund research projects looking into these networks and I would imagine it would be logical for those interested to fund projects that actively intervene in such networks to learn how they may be understood, disrupted and/or redirected, and many other things. It would not be beyond belief to suggest that PA could be actively being tested by DARPA-level technologies in real-time, looking into individuals engaged including me - and applying high-technology strategies to intervene and disrupt our lives and thought processes, again under the rubric of BETA testing. These tracking/monitoring technologies exist we know that beyond a doubt. That the virtual communities pose a real and genuine threat to the status quo is also a known fact. Do not be surprised therefor if something that appears to be "paranormal" occurs in your life. You ARE being tracked and monitored, we all would be stupid to think otherwise. That very well could explain all the stuff that is going on. YOU are in an experiment.

Who are you?

Who do you work for?

Something is going on! :couch2:

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Unfortunately until a green light is given, we have been told to stop. Also we have to make some reports, the earliest post we shall make will be Monday... Everybody have a good weekend, play safe, but play fair.

Roubaix

[Tuza]

It is too late now, you were given fair warning before and your still at it, time to pay the ferryman for all past deeds. I suggest you stop laughing and joking, go home and be with the ones you love until it is time to view your lives. Do something else for income, plant some food. It wont be long now really.

Blessed be.

[Isostool]

Unfortunately until a green light is given, we have been told to stop. Also we have to make some reports, the earliest post we shall make will be Monday... Everybody have a good weekend, play safe, but play fair.

Roubaix

"Play safe, but play fair." ?

A short moral primer for your 'game'?

And yeah... If you aint' got no stories about your 5000 year old master.... Charles has set our taste for cake pretty high these days. I doubt your higher than mighty tone (you know.. The 'you don't know what you're dealing with' trick...) will pass our detectors unless you've got some seriously respectable peach cobbler to pass off...

And we all like to read the ingredient panels, too.

[arctourist]

hi heather-haha-and hi everyone else!
it seems i have some catching up to do-but are you here??
talk to me!
I'm here!
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oops
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ah...timing is everything innit-hello charles-i never got to say hello,and now you're gone it seems? and what's this about your saying something about 'not dealing with bill anymore'....is there any truth to that? sorry-i got a lotta catching-up to do...
i know i was gonna have a few good questions for you,but anyway-godspeed and cheers everyone-haha!

[Charlie Pecos]

Could someone who is far smarter than myself please explain what in the H*** just happened here.

[bitworm]

http://i.imgur.com/cN2RG.jpg

[Icecold]

Unfortunately until a green light is given, we have been told to stop. Also we have to make some reports, the earliest post we shall make will be Monday... Everybody have a good weekend, play safe, but play fair.

Roubaix


Unfortunately until a green light is given, we have been told to stop.


I know this game quite well Heather.

When you write text, you tell me things. Not about the content, about yourself
and what you intend. The more you write the more I learn.

Keep posting while you remain unsubscribed. Its all useful information, again its not your content.

LOL Bitworm, don't tempt her. When the green light illuminates things will get nasty and possibly dangerous.......for Heather.

They believe in the power of their technology and their position in the game. Their goals are the weakness and absorb their energy. The universe is working against them and that is our ace.

[Ahkenaten]

I have said before - and this is a theory - that PA is being beta-tested. ...

Who are you?

Who do you work for?

Something is going on! :couch2:

Hello K626 - I work for myself. I was expressing my observation about what might be going on in this Forum. I could very well be wrong, but I could very well be right - or somewhat right and somewhat wrong. This is my honest impression though admittedly my desire to frame all this in one grand theory does leave my theory vulnerable to say the least. I was sure that at least someone amongst the group might have seen it the same way.....but maybe not. Just a thought.

[Icecold]

Ahkenaten

I think your idea has a lot of merit. ;)



This is psychops.


Also we have to make some reports, the earliest post we shall make will be Monday... Everybody have a good weekend, play safe, but play fair.

[Ahkenaten]

Could someone who is far smarter than myself please explain what in the H*** just happened here.

I am sure I am not smarter than you but clearly we are being played with................as I said before the red flags are up. The game is similar to stirring up snakes with a stick........only cruel and malicious children play those kinds of games. The purpose is to confuse, befuddle, and as usual - divide and conquer, throwing in a splash of thinly veiled threats. Well we all face death and so we face the ultimate truth and lesson every day. How therefor can these pranksters disturb let alone frighten us. They must first be NAMED and then told clearly to be on their way. They have no power over us.

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Ahkenaten

I think your idea has a lot of merit. ;)

Thank you. I don't mean to sound arrogant or egotistical but I believe I am correct for a number of reasons.

[ThePythonicCow]

... It would not be beyond belief to suggest that PA could be actively being tested by DARPA-level technologies in real-time, looking into individuals engaged including me - and applying high-technology strategies to intervene and disrupt our lives and thought processes, again under the rubric of BETA testing. ...


Ahkenaten - what is DARPA "BETA testing"? I know the term as having common use in the software business for pre-production testing of software that is feature complete. But I'm guessing you mean something else here.

[3optic]

“Tarred and feathered” and “ran out on a rail” . . . . .Avalon style

Were you? Well perhaps they will go easier on you next time...:p

That was a dud. Maybe you all should designate a joke writer. Not this one ^ ;)

[VajraYaya]

Why does this smell so bad.

To borrow an old adage Heather.. It's time to put up or shut up! Stop talking about yourself, making excuses. Just dump what you have here [if indeed you have anything] and we'll see if it is worthwhile. Otherwise there are a lot of other place on the internet where you can try this again.

In the beginning you were going to spend the weekend writing up something, I suppose to bring it out here next week. But then it conveniently turned into a couple of months when you would meet Bill and give it to him directly. Bill, don't waste your time meeting this person. This is about the information you supposedly have and you continue to make it about you. Stop defending and just cough it up or just go away. Let the information speak for itself.

[Ahkenaten]

... It would not be beyond belief to suggest that PA could be actively being tested by DARPA-level technologies in real-time, looking into individuals engaged including me - and applying high-technology strategies to intervene and disrupt our lives and thought processes, again under the rubric of BETA testing. ...


Ahkenaten - what is DARPA "BETA testing"? I know the term as having common use in the software business for pre-production testing of software that is feature complete. But I'm guessing you mean something else here.

Paul what I mean is that the Avalon Forum is being stress-tested by 3-letter agencies, their employees, and/or a coordinated group funded by govt/Foundation $$ using what we commoners think of as DARPA technology (I may have misspelled) but I am referring to the infamous Admiral Poindexter's diabolical pet projects here..............in other words, to be blunt - a Psy Op campaign is being run. The purpose? To stress test people and systems, to see how to divert attention, how to plant suggestions and test people's psychological limits including credulity and malleability.......................social networks organizing and developing concrete real-world action plans - especially for political purposes on the internet is clearly a threat to the established order. Therefor resources are being directed here to learn more about how the networks work, the psychology of the individuals involved, for the purposes of disrupting and short-circuiting efforts on this front to advance the cause of human freedom and evolution. By the way Paul - how would "Heather" penetrate this Forum to post when ostensibly "she" (or whatever "she" is, which may not even be human) was unsubscribed?

[VajraYaya]

GW is on my whitelist. I just think she was intrigued by a past mystery and did a little investigating. It'll be really interesting to see what she has to say about all this when she gets back hopefully soon.

[ThePythonicCow]

By the way Paul - how would "Heather" penetrate this Forum to post when ostensibly "she" (or whatever "she" is, which may not even be human) was unsubscribed?I don't really know what happened there or how - sorry.

[Icecold]

VajraYaya


It's time to put up or shut up! Stop talking about yourself, making excuses.

She is not here for that. Don't expect anything from her. It isn't about 'new info' FCS!

Its about psychops, its about Reconnaissance, also known as scouting, is a military term for performing a preliminary survey; especially an exploratory military survey to gain, or collect information.....and to de-stabilise you, and if your earlier post is any indication, then its working perfectly.

[Hughe]

Let the stories come out please.

The facts will tell the truth by itself. That's how it works in conspiracy theories.

[Icecold]

Let the stories come out please.

The facts will tell the truth by itself. That's how it works in conspiracy theories.


Oh, as long as she remains unsubscribed and I hope that is the case, then she will spout further bull****, have no fear you will have your stories.

They will mean nothing and will be further disinformation, but you will have them none the less. Be very careful what these 'stories' do to your thinking.

[Ahkenaten]

By the way Paul - how would "Heather" penetrate this Forum to post when ostensibly "she" (or whatever "she" is, which may not even be human) was unsubscribed?I don't really know what happened there or how - sorry.

see what I mean about being tested? And - my system here was just pinged for whatever it is worth.

[Ahkenaten]

Icecold - hate to ask this so bluntly but do you think the Charles gambit is another Psy Op? I am coming to the conclusion that it MAY be. It has some classical hallmarks and the attendant chatter amongst the chatterboxes in threads suggest coordinated activity...just askin'

[ace]

Be very careful what these 'stories' do to your thinking.

[/B]

Well spoken ice. bravo mon ami

Ace

[Icecold]

Icecold - hate to ask this so bluntly but do you think the Charles gambit is another Psy Op? I am coming to the conclusion that it MAY be. It has some classical hallmarks and the attendant chatter amongst the chatterboxes in threads suggest coordinated activity...just askin'

No mate, on this score I can tell you it is not a psychop. Trust me on this one.

Think, if it was, then why is Heather so intent at getting to Bill and ergo Charles.

Charles is the real McCoy.

We have the elite ground troops here on this thread.

Hughe :israel:

[VajraYaya]

VajraYaya


It's time to put up or shut up! Stop talking about yourself, making excuses.

She is not here for that. Don't expect anything from her. It isn't about 'new info' FCS!

Its about psychops, its about Reconnaissance, also known as scouting, is a military term for performing a preliminary survey; especially an exploratory military survey to gain, or collect information.....and to de-stabilise you, and if your earlier post is any indication, then its working perfectly.

Hey Ice.

Yeah, I know... I was just putting my $2 to this fictional Character. Just expected her to bite the bait and wanted to see what she'd say. I remember when I first heard about the Heather material. My BS detector immediately registered crap, and did so here too.

To simply sum up I was going to write a simple post earlier.. Heather=BOGUS!

[Ahkenaten]

OK, I will take your opinion under advice and thank you for it. But as you know, things often get "curiouser and curiouser" ..... and are often not what they seem. I'll drop this tack but must say that "Heather" is attacking on one side, while all are occupied (obsessed may be a better term) with Charles on the other. The old see-saw routine. Anyway, I will drop it but had to ask someone. This has been on my mind since January 1. Thanks for the courtesy of your reply. Oh and as for "Heather's" purpose of getting at Bill and Charles, well I think "Heather" or whoever or whatever "she" is prime purpose is to get at FORUM MEMBERS, with Bill and others as means to an end, that being US. Ditto the Psy Ops, FORUM MEMBERS are the target......because it is WE, acting together, that pose the threat, even if it is a latent one.

[3optic]

Icecold - hate to ask this so bluntly but do you think the Charles gambit is another Psy Op? I am coming to the conclusion that it MAY be. It has some classical hallmarks and the attendant chatter amongst the chatterboxes in threads suggest coordinated activity...just askin'

No mate, on this score I can tell you it is not a psychop. Trust me on this one.

Think, if it was, then why is Heather so intent at getting to Bill and ergo Charles.

Charles is the real McCoy.

We have the elite ground troops here on this thread.

Hughe :israel:

This was key. She/they got a little ahead of themselves. Live and learn :)

[Icecold]

VajraYaya

Hey Ice.

Yeah, I know... I was just putting my $2 to this fictional Character.

Yes mate, I think she said she'd be back on Monday after writng and submitting her reports to her handlers.

Cheers, sorry if I misunderstood. ;)


Ice

[jorr lundstrom]

VajraYaya


It's time to put up or shut up! Stop talking about yourself, making excuses.

She is not here for that. Don't expect anything from her. It isn't about 'new info' FCS!

Its about psychops, its about Reconnaissance, also known as scouting, is a military term for performing a preliminary survey; especially an exploratory military survey to gain, or collect information.....and to de-stabilise you, and if your earlier post is any indication, then its working perfectly.

And maybye also to make people hang in this thread so they dont see wots happening in other

threads on PA;)

[astrid]

I think we should re-name this thread ... "Heather" is here... or Heather is NOT here....


Anyways.. moving along, we are needed else where....


P.S.Save your popcorn folks!!

[modwiz]

I look forward to Gypsy Woman returning here and see the energy she brings to this thread.

That could be very interesting. She is smart and a firecracker.

[astrid]

While perusing the forums after being accepted as a member here, I quickly discovered that Heather, the author of "The Heather Material", is in our midst.


But maybe they are working together.... hmmm???

[modwiz]

While perusing the forums after being accepted as a member here, I quickly discovered that Heather, the author of "The Heather Material", is in our midst.


But maybe they are working together.... hmmm???

Now you're being a troublemaker Astrid.

Bad kitty!

[Buchanan561]

What is DARPA


DARPA is the research and development office for the U.S. Department of Defense.

DARPA’s mission is to maintain technological superiority of the U.S. military and prevent technological surprise from harming our national security.

We also create technological surprise for our adversaries.


http://www.darpa.mil/about.html2007 DARPA URBAN CHALLENGE

DARPA funds unique and innovative research through the private sector, academic and other non-profit organizations as well as government labs.

DARPA research runs the gamut from conducting scientific investigations in a laboratory, to building full-scale prototypes of military systems. We fund research in biology, medicine, computer science, chemistry, physics, engineering, mathematics, material sciences, social sciences, neuroscience, and more.

DARPA's First 50 Years

DARPA was established as a DoD agency in 1958 as America’s response to the Soviet Union’s launching of Sputnik. In the years since, DARPA’s freedom to act quickly and decisively with high quality people has paid handsome dividends for DoD in terms of revolutionary military capabilities.

Today, America faces completely different threats and adversaries than it did when DARPA was established in 1958, and the Agency continually evolves to reflect this changing national security landscape. DARPA’s proud history of achievement and its culture of excellence are testimony to the vital role the Agency has played in the nation’s security and technological superiority.

Learn more about DARPA's history of innovation.


(I hope I can remember this. Emma

[ace]

I look forward to Gypsy Woman returning here and see the energy she brings to this thread.

That could be very interesting. She is smart and a firecracker.

"I look forward to Gypsy Woman returning here and see the energy she brings to this thread.

That could be very interesting. She is smart and a firecracker."


What exactly do you mean by that post Modwiz. I've read the offensive things you said about Gypsy Woman when she got kicked out.

On another thread.

Don't you think you're being a little disingenous there mate?

She's probably reading this, and she ain't stupid, You said that yourself, but I agree with you on that part of your post.

With all due respect,

Regards,

Ace

[modwiz]

I look forward to Gypsy Woman returning here and see the energy she brings to this thread.

That could be very interesting. She is smart and a firecracker.

"I look forward to Gypsy Woman returning here and see the energy she brings to this thread.

That could be very interesting. She is smart and a firecracker."


What exactly do you mean by that post Modwiz. I've read the offensive things you said about Gypsy Woman when she got kicked out.

On another thread.

Don't you think you're being a little disingenous there mate?

She's probably reading this, and she ain't stupid, You said that yourself, but I agree with you on that part of your post.

With all due respect,

Regards,

Ace

I was not being offensive. I was being real. I consider her a friend and assume she reads what I say. So disingenuous is not my intention. I am being aboveboard and look for her return. I said that her 1 week ban was unnecessary in my view. And Bill had to read that.

I am very aware of the goldfish bowl I am in.

Kinda testy there sir.

I see trying to keep it positive here will be taken down.

I want GW to come back and then................pow!

What is the message one is supposed to get here?

What a shame.

[Isostool]

Who are you?

Who do you work for?

Something is going on! :couch2:

Hello K626 - I work for myself. I was expressing my observation about what might be going on in this Forum. I could very well be wrong, but I could very well be right - or somewhat right and somewhat wrong. This is my honest impression though admittedly my desire to frame all this in one grand theory does leave my theory vulnerable to say the least. I was sure that at least someone amongst the group might have seen it the same way.....but maybe not. Just a thought.

And the award for the most poorly signposted joke on the thread goes to: K626...

guys, I think he was having a joke....

Taking the mickey, you know.

--------------

and yes, I think your viewpoint is valuable round' here Ahkenaten, but please remember we're not all ops... Some of us are just regular wankers.

[Icecold]

K626 is a funny guy. He is very proficient with his one-liners. Its hard to pack punch into a few words. He does a good job. :clap2:


LOL @ Isostool. Luv ya girl! :kiss:

[Isostool]

While perusing the forums after being accepted as a member here, I quickly discovered that Heather, the author of "The Heather Material", is in our midst.


But maybe they are working together.... hmmm???

Now you're being a troublemaker Astrid.

Bad kitty!

I had the same impression as well. Maybe they are.

Also, the "Heather" we are talking to here, is likely not one person. She is a team. A highly co ordinated ops team, right? [scratch, scratch round' in the dark]. Or rather she will be when they get their reports done and people get 'rostered on'. lol.

[modwiz]

While perusing the forums after being accepted as a member here, I quickly discovered that Heather, the author of "The Heather Material", is in our midst.


But maybe they are working together.... hmmm???

Now you're being a troublemaker Astrid.

Bad kitty!

I had the same impression as well. Maybe they are.

Also, the "Heather" we are talking to here, is likely not one person. She is a team. A highly co ordinated ops team, right? [scratch, scratch round' in the dark]. Or rather she will be when they get their reports done and people get 'rostered on'. lol.

Yes. Like the movie, "The Heathers". LOL

[Aurelius]

Unfortunately until a green light is given, we have been told to stop. Also we have to make some reports, the earliest post we shall make will be Monday... Everybody have a good weekend, play safe, but play fair.

Roubaix

so you are a bunch of 3 letter agency intel sm_cks that have no value to add to the forum? only more disinfo to offer? .. to further your game.

[Icecold]

Smackdown.....

.....the multiple personalites of Heather hit the floor heavily and crawl away to find plan B.

[bashi]

Hi Bill,
have you seen this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14499-The-3-Musketeers

[ace]

I look forward to Gypsy Woman returning here and see the energy she brings to this thread.

That could be very interesting. She is smart and a firecracker.

"I look forward to Gypsy Woman returning here and see the energy she brings to this thread.

That could be very interesting. She is smart and a firecracker."


What exactly do you mean by that post Modwiz. I've read the offensive things you said about Gypsy Woman when she got kicked out.

On another thread.

Don't you think you're being a little disingenous there mate?

She's probably reading this, and she ain't stupid, You said that yourself, but I agree with you on that part of your post.

With all due respect,

Regards,

Ace

I was not being offensive. I was being real. I consider her a friend and assume she reads what I say. So disingenuous is not my intention. I am being aboveboard and look for her return. I said that her 1 week ban was unnecessary in my view. And Bill had to read that.

I am very aware of the goldfish bowl I am in.

Kinda testy there sir.

I see trying to keep it positive here will be taken down.

I want GW to come back and then................pow!

What is the message one is supposed to get here?

What a shame.


Modwiz wrote:

I am concerned about Bill.

Why mod? Bill Ryan said he looked at the Poll Dancer thread and made his decision to give Spirit Wolf equal time off from the forum. Do you have a problem with his decision?

i guess so.


Modwiz wrote:

I know in his mind suspending Barry for the same period of time as GW seems completely fair to him. I believe Bill was "influenced" to see Barry as an equal contributor to the dust up in the Poll Dance thread.

So your a swami not a real wizard like in Harry Potter?


Modwiz wrote:

I would have not PM'd GW if I thought all was equal. I still have those PM's and would be glad for Bill to see them so he can get a sense of how someone there in real time saw what was jumping off and where the energy was coming from.

Did you send them? can we all see gypsy's private messages, unedited by modwiz? Then we can ask her to show us versions of your pms when she gets back and compare them! Only fair.


Modwiz wrote:

I look forward to Gypsy Woman returning here and see the energy she brings to this thread. That could be very interesting.

You mean like a car crash is interesting to an ambulance chaser?


Modwiz wrote:

She wanted to take him down a few notches.

She doesn't strike me as unfair just a little more truthful than many and passionate. Funny girl to. but she calls a spade a spade.

I read some posts on the "Big Picture" thread that gypsy called the "vipers nest" the day she got banned/ She sparked my curiousity. That thread is a big poison pen letter against Charles and Bill.

You wrote a lot of posts there. replied to a lot of them and really stirred the kettle.


Modwiz wrote:

Her personality type is easy to push over the brink. Very little effort required there.

Is that how you plan to stir things up on this thread to mate, maybe get her banned off here for good? Send her some private pms and after she's banned try to make it appear on the forum like you;re the good guy that tried to cool her off?

I swapped my clowns hat, thats all. I do from time to time.

lol

I think your feisty gypsy girl might be a little more clever now than she was then a week in the cooler, plenty of time to think.. You may have to work harder to set her off this time.

Is this personal?
No I am working with fact's as they have been written.

Interesting waters we sail.

Full steam ahead captain.

Kind Regards

Ace

[Icecold]

Ace:


She doesn't strike me as unfair just a little more truthful than many and passionate. Funny girl to. but she calls a spade a spade.

Got to agree with that mate. But I have a real soft spot for feisty woman. LOL

MW.

Ace is one of the coolest most astute people here, I trust Ace's assessments completely.

Us band of brothers and sisters need to close ranks. :nod: :grouphug:

Let's give her the chance to prove us right or wrong, but let's give her a chance to prove
she can be trusted.

We have nothing to lose.

Remember that it was Barry who started the Elitism talk. He is an arrogant SOB, but so am I when I'm not thinking. Barry leapt onto that thread with all guns blazing. GW took some time to build up to posting. She sat back and let Barry tear up the room. She was restrained, but caved in the end. It just means she is not a forum vet. She will have learned a big lesson.

She should have sat back and let Barry commit BB Hara Kiri. LOL

If I was judging both of there inputs, I'd say Barry was the greater of two disturbances.
She walked into it when she should have stayed cool. She'll learn.


Blessings to you both.

[Isostool]

A request. Please to can we be keeping this thread free of those ugly blow by blow dissections between posters which can go for page after brain crawling out of my head when I'm not looking page. If youz take a bait guys, then keep it tite.


And speak for yourself Ice... give her our trust? Why the **** would I do that, for no apparent reason? Nothing to lose? um. yeah, like of course there are things to lose. Instincts are real important round' here. Always go the sniff test.

"Oh and what do ya call THAT then? huh? Proper grammar and spelling?" Yes, it's proper cause' I is making art.

[Icecold]

There is one point I'd like to make about GW


Hello fellow Avalonians,

While perusing the forums after being accepted as a member here, I quickly discovered that Heather, the author of "The Heather Material", is in our midst.

To be accurate, as I understand it, the material in question was not written by Heather herself, but by Ben Murphy, and transcribed from memories of conversations he had had with Heather while she was living with him and his family.

By way of background: after finding The Heather Material at Project Camelot, and listening to Kerry's interview with Ben Murphy, I felt compelled to track him down, which I did after a few hours and a few hundred clicks of my mouse.

I contacted him, and he replied immediately. We then exchanged quite a few emails last year, and I was able to satisfy my curiousity about the man behind The Heather Material, but not the woman...

Fast forward to February 2011, my arrival at Project Avalon, and my discovery that Heather is among us...

Today I found an old discussion page from April of 2010, a thread begun by Bill Ryan for "The Heather Material", but it was shut down in May, before Heather showed up here. (Or maybe she was lurking, or a member back then, posting under an assumed Avatar, I really have no idea... you'll have to ask her about that.)

In any event, I thought it might be valuable for us to talk to Heather herself, so I've begun this new thread in the hopes that it will generate some illuminating discourse between ourselves and Heather.

BINGO....Heather appears like magic. But Heather is a group of psychops creeps who likely work for the elites. So what is the relationship with a user who has been banned (which creates an ill feeling) and a bad bunch of agents who likely want to get at something they want badly?

She really need to offer a detailed explanation of her relationship to Heather as soon as she arrives back.

There is a shadow over her character until she clears this up.

I'm sure GW would understand that after seeing the results of Heather's interactions with this forum.

I'll be interested in her take on this ASAP.

I have the feeling that she won't be back if she's involved, because a lot of members have lost their trust in her. It would be a brassy thing to do, like walking into a lion's cage....something I've done IRL..LOL

If she was genuine she would likely email Bill with a full explanation. (hint)


PLEASE READ THIS ^^^^^^^^ IsosTool. :p


Now after that I'll play the devil's advocate.....next post please. :bounce:

[Icecold]

GW's first post on the Poll dance thread......dissected slightly. ;)




I just read that statement before someone posted "NO COMMENTS" to the POLL, so I am starting a thread FOR COMMENTS about the POLL...

How could voting for #3, ie: full disclosure of plan and screening process for the 18, possibly be helpful to this cause, do you figure?

Full disclosure means FULL DISCLOSURE. To the world, not just this forum, which is not insulated in any way from the prying eyes of anyone wishing to take a peak in here at any given time.

Everything said here is here for posterity.

Yes yes, I know the machine sees and tracks it all... every keystroke is known. OK, but does it report it all back to them , like a fly on our "walls"?

I really doubt that. I've been here for 24 hours straight now, and I'm no supermachine, but my harddrive crashed a while back...

And anyone wanting to pick my brain right now would need HOURS to sift through the material it would spew out in random order...

The "corporation heads" for lack of a better word would need thousands of people dedicated to the simple task of combing Avalon for trigger words, and on and on, member by member, post by post, until they found the information they needed to print out for their bosses...

We don't even know when "they're here" because they are not Avalon MEMBERS. I myself was reading everything on this forum long before I was a member, and I never left a fingerprint that anyone could see, but I was privvy to the same postings you all were just the same...

Would voting #3 be prudent, do you believe?

To my mind (and I readily admit, my mind is less sharp than many of yours, and it's been working non-stop for the past 24 hours with no rest) if Charles is "democraticly" bound, he is sending a memo to the Boardmembers of a very large and powerful Corporation, something to this effect:

To Whom It May Concern: a few minor shareholders and I, 18 of them to be exact, have decided we're going to try to take your Corporation down, and this is exactly how we plan to do it...

REPLY: Thanks for the heads up, and we knew this was coming as we've been reading all about it, it's not exactly a secret ya know, so why not just email us the names and passport numbers of "The Atticus 18" while you're at it? Pretty please with sugar on top?

Why the insatiable curiousity to have Atticus disclose everything he's been planning and attempting to pull together, on our behalf? I mean this man is DYING ferrcrissakes!! Why isn't he laying back on a chaise lounge on an island in the South Pacific somewhere sipping gin and tonics?

Ask yourselves: Why is he even BOTHERING with "you lot" as the Brits say, after all this nonsense that's been generated about him over the past 6 weeks?

And don't come back at me with more of the smarmy ascerbic comments the likes of which thankfully more or less disappeared the other day. Supporters of Bill and Atticus, not to mention they themselves, don't need any more of that shameful disrespect. Certainly not at this juncture.

I'm no one's "minion" or "handler" or "Girl Friday" and I'm certainly no one's PAWN in this game.

I'm simply asking: is there any BENEFIT to all concerned in Atticus complying with #3, if that's the result of the poll?

OK, I'm done. Bring it.


Her whole argument here is to protect information from the prying eyes of the elites.


You would think if she was working with the elites she would not put this argument forward in the vehement way she has here...IT SHOWS COMMITMENT!


So what happens is this fiery vixen gets banned defending her view and....what..... becomes associated with the bad guys??????

Something bad happened? Any ideas?

Discuss please I need some input here.....

[Bill Ryan]

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My hat off to whichever of the mods edited the thread title.

Why didn't I think of that? :)

[Icecold]

LOL. Someone suggested it on the thread. I think it was the lovely Astrid. :)

[Isostool]

There is nothing much that can be cleared up really, except from our own logical analysis, because an op will not say they are an op, if they have a reasonable cover. What is an implant going to do, if you ask them to illuminate their position, just go "oh you got me" and spill it? I guess though it is about finding logical inconsistencies. And my favourite "As Judge Judy says: If it doesn't make sense then it isn't true."

They are already active at Camelot. The Heather crew. GW would not have to be an op for the Heather crew to know they would just have to sit and wait before being asked in the door... You know like a vampire has to wait to be asked inside. ..They have a laugh:." Ha.. you see they do it to themselves... hahahaha.. we just fill our roles [and fulfil our destiny] of a natural game in the universe [wank]". Specially with her whole name, 'Heather JJ Anderson', there just waiting to be picked up and investigated.

My little bit here would have to say disinfo ops. Experienced BS artists. And who better to BS about it than people who actually did something a bit like what they BS about. But now they just get paid a **** LOAD to make it as BS but still believable as possible. Just a supposition.

What we can do is keep a high watch on logical inconsistencies, and not allow moral gaming to shut off avenues to properly reviewing the situation.

Hey. Icecold, you callin' me a Tool? I'm a stool. Not a tool. You know, as in "I went to the doctor and gave him a stool sample". Not as in "My girlfriend thinks I'm a Tool [as in your case, I am guessing]"

[Charlie Pecos]

I find most of this thread amusing, as most of you have no clue or even inclination of the scope of what is happening here. My advice would be to carry on, but work harder. I noticed the Cambridge bit, you either ignored the section on Clarification, and it's editor, please go back reread and try again.

It's true that we are not who you think we are and that you have no idea who we could possibly be.

I think most of what happened was covered by Kerry, she posted it herself on her forum. You have a lot of ground to cover, and you were all doing very well up until this speed bump. How can this be explained? Eliminate GW & Ben from this equation. Now look closer and try again, because your cold right now. Until we get the go ahead from Bill, we have to observe where you, the forum take this.

Roubaix

Hello Bill,
Could you please explain this? I'm sure there is a very good reason this thread was opened back up, and the statement above implies that you have full knowledge and approve of their "game".

Thank You, James

[Icecold]

Hey. Icecold, you callin' me a Tool? I'm a stool. Not a tool. You know, as in "I went to the doctor and gave him a stool sample". Not as in "My girlfriend thinks I'm a Tool [as in your case, I am guessing]"

You owe me a new LCD screen....mine is covered in tea. :pound:

[Bill Ryan]

--------

Just before Gypsy Woman returns from her vacation - as she will sometime today, with her light saber in hand (and maybe more! :) ) - I want to say that she has been in touch with me backchannel, sent a very sincere apology (which I can readily post with her permission), and is getting mighty exercised at some of the nonsense and drama that has ensued on this thread since she started it.

All she wanted to do was to provide a venue for this elephant in the room to be discussed. And I thank her for that. Without her creating the platform, we'd not be wherever we are now with this intriguing tale.

And I have no idea where that is - but you have to admit, it's a whole lotta fun. :)

[Icecold]

Agree with all of that wholeheartedly. Thanks Bill. I'd like to hear what GW has to say. If you are reading this GW, would you kindly give Bill permission to post your email. Thanks.

[K626]

--------

Just before Gypsy Woman returns from her vacation - as she will sometime today, with her light saber in hand (and maybe more! :) ) - I want to say that she has been in touch with me backchannel, sent a very sincere apology (which I can readily post with her permission), and is getting mighty exercised at some of the nonsense and drama that has ensued on this thread since she started it.

All she wanted to do was to provide a venue for this elephant in the room to be discussed. And I thank her for that. Without her creating the platform, we'd not be wherever we are now with this intriguing tale.

And I have no idea where that is - but you have to admit, it's a whole lotta fun. :)

Good to hear.

K

[ace]

She is here now....Heather

[Icecold]

Well its not Monday yet, so she must have gotten her report in early.

I'm thinking it must be loaded with spelling errors.

[Bill Ryan]

I find most of this thread amusing, as most of you have no clue or even inclination of the scope of what is happening here. My advice would be to carry on, but work harder. I noticed the Cambridge bit, you either ignored the section on Clarification, and it's editor, please go back reread and try again.

It's true that we are not who you think we are and that you have no idea who we could possibly be.

I think most of what happened was covered by Kerry, she posted it herself on her forum. You have a lot of ground to cover, and you were all doing very well up until this speed bump. How can this be explained? Eliminate GW & Ben from this equation. Now look closer and try again, because your cold right now. Until we get the go ahead from Bill, we have to observe where you, the forum take this.

Roubaix

Hello Bill,
Could you please explain this? I'm sure there is a very good reason this thread was opened back up, and the statement above implies that you have full knowledge and approve of their "game".

Thank You, James

Hi, James - I'm afraid I can't. :)

I have absolutely no idea what she is, he is, or they are talking about. But it's extremely entertaining!

[K626]

I find most of this thread amusing, as most of you have no clue or even inclination of the scope of what is happening here. My advice would be to carry on, but work harder. I noticed the Cambridge bit, you either ignored the section on Clarification, and it's editor, please go back reread and try again.

It's true that we are not who you think we are and that you have no idea who we could possibly be.

I think most of what happened was covered by Kerry, she posted it herself on her forum. You have a lot of ground to cover, and you were all doing very well up until this speed bump. How can this be explained? Eliminate GW & Ben from this equation. Now look closer and try again, because your cold right now. Until we get the go ahead from Bill, we have to observe where you, the forum take this.

Roubaix

Hello Bill,
Could you please explain this? I'm sure there is a very good reason this thread was opened back up, and the statement above implies that you have full knowledge and approve of their "game".

Thank You, James

Hi, James - I'm afraid I can't. :)

I have absolutely no idea what she is, he is, or they are talking about. But it's extremely entertaining!

Isn't it about super soldiers and such? If my memory serves me correctly.

K

[Charlie Pecos]

Bill Ryan: Hi, James - I'm afraid I can't.

I have absolutely no idea what she is, he is, or they are talking about. But it's extremely entertaining!

Yes indeed it is:p

Thank you Bill

[Gardener]

Its not necessarilly about alphabet soup people, they are fundamentally the same as us, they are fumbling around too.
Just would like to make a comment here about the hyperdimensional reality. Until we are fully conscious with all faculties functioning, we can ALL be used for nefarious purposes by the denziens of said hyperdimensional reality. Mainly through personal ego hooks, both in personal lives, and the world stage. Any attempt to derail the truth or derail someone who has the potential to awaken fully is the name of their game. They want to win, and continue controlling us after whatever it is that is coming towards us, bringing with it an uptick in our consciousness field. Think level playingfield is what they do not want.
It doesn't work all the time for me but it works some of the time, sit back before posting and ask
'will this post create division?'
Why do I want to say it?
Is it constructive or destructive?
Do I want to look good as if I am 'in the know'?

The absolute minimum response you get will maybe inform you about your personal agenda.

We truly do need to keep it together right now en mass.
g

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Howdy,

This is not sinister and you can ask why we’re here, it’s to have our group provide assistance, and to help and challenge you, help train you for the onslaught to come. Mods and other people do have real handlers here, ask them if this is going to get worse or better?
By challenging you, you get stronger, this will help strengthen a group that cohesive now but Avalon is becoming a team, its own scientific governing group.




Some of you will have decisions, those decisions could shape the world. Every agency has people here, CIA, MI5 and so on, and they are active posting members, so to say we have infiltrated is stupid, you were infiltrated way back in PA.1 You don't interview the people, that Bill and Kerry have without drawing a crowd.

People are spending money to keep you safe, people that won't be around forever, we have to help change the game before that happens. We support Charles and everything he says. But if reports of his illness are correct then this is a small window of opportunity.

In our opinion the two biggest interviews are Dr Peterson, and Leo Zagami in regards to information that was shared to Bill and Kerry, not so much what was presented.





I see someone asked why here, this forum? Well it’s the only forum that’s got it right, end of. We explained we were not Heather, and that the information used was part of a test very astute, but nothing sinister or bad. Our group does not attack people; we don’t have any type of military presence.

[Icecold]

Howdy,

This is not sinister and you can ask why we’re here, it’s to have our group provide assistance, and to help and challenge you, help train you for the onslaught to come. Mods and other people do have real handlers here, ask them if this is going to get worse or better?
By challenging you, you get stronger, this will help strengthen a group that cohesive now but Avalon is becoming a team, its own scientific governing group.




Some of you will have decisions, those decisions could shape the world. Every agency has people here, CIA, MI5 and so on, and they are active posting members, so to say we have infiltrated is stupid, you were infiltrated way back in PA.1 You don't interview the people, that Bill and Kerry have without drawing a crowd.

People are spending money to keep you safe, people that won't be around forever, we have to help change the game before that happens. We support Charles and everything he says. But if reports of his illness are correct then this is a small window of opportunity.

In our opinion the two biggest interviews are Dr Peterson, and Leo Zagami in regards to information that was shared to Bill and Kerry, not so much what was presented.





I see someone asked why here, this forum? Well it’s the only forum that’s got it right, end of. We explained we were not Heather, and that the information used was part of a test very astute, but nothing sinister or bad. Our group does not attack people; we don’t have any type of military presence.

Ok Heather, if you are here to teach and guide, then what agency do you work for? You've already admitted you represent an agency.


We support Charles and everything he says. But if reports of his illness are correct then this is a small window of opportunity And you'd like to help him get better....offer him a fix.,,,get close to him?

Can our people tell us where the dear Heather is posting from at the moment?

[Charlie Pecos]

Who or what are you exactly?

[Gardener]

First impression, my blink so to speak...........Ego Hook! Read 'you are special, we have chosen you'


'By their fruits shall you know them'
(sry to wax biblical)

[DeDukshyn]

This is all rather interesting and odd ... one thing I do agree with. Avalon is only getting stronger, and any attempts to break it will only make it stronger. There's a lot of power here.

[bluestflame]

so , the windows open , what, in order of priority , is it important for us to focus on , in order to mentally prepare ourselves (protect ourselves)

key points

[Brodie75]

From what Bill just posted its would seem he has no idea who you are and why your here

Maybe you could explain it to him.

[Agape]

Choose federal law enforcement. Choose the military. Choose NASA or the CDC. Choose lying to your superiors. Choose to ruin your career. Choose no friends. Choose divorce. Choose life through the bottom of a bottle. Choose destroying evidence and executing innocent people because they know too ****ing much. Choose black fatigues and matching gas masks. Chose an MP5 stolen from the CIA loaded with glasers, with a wide range of ****ing attachments. Choose blazing away at mind numbing, sanity crushing things from beyond the stars, wondering whether you'd be better off stuffing the barrel in your own mouth. Choose The King In Yellow and waking up wondering who you are. Choose a 9mm retirement plan. Choose going out with a bang at the end of it all, PGP encrypting your last message down a securely laid cable as an NRO Delta wetworks squad busts through your door.

Choose one last Night at the Opera.

Choose Delta Green.

http://fairfieldproject.wikidot.com/delta-green


Click on the blue tags on the left down of the page for more information. Btw if your name is not on their list yet, they're working on it . They are everywhere , they need you . Welcome to the Matrix.


Sorry for the bad humor but it's my feeling that many of you here are not smart enough ( as I'm not either ) to see what are people capable of. The bigger the lie more difficult to see it.




Tunning out , take no offense if you are of truth


:plane:

[bodixa]

Howdy,

This is not sinister and you can ask why we’re here, it’s to have our group provide assistance, and to help and challenge you, help train you for the onslaught to come. Mods and other people do have real handlers here, ask them if this is going to get worse or better?
By challenging you, you get stronger, this will help strengthen a group that cohesive now but Avalon is becoming a team, its own scientific governing group.




Some of you will have decisions, those decisions could shape the world. Every agency has people here, CIA, MI5 and so on, and they are active posting members, so to say we have infiltrated is stupid, you were infiltrated way back in PA.1 You don't interview the people, that Bill and Kerry have without drawing a crowd.

People are spending money to keep you safe, people that won't be around forever, we have to help change the game before that happens. We support Charles and everything he says. But if reports of his illness are correct then this is a small window of opportunity.

In our opinion the two biggest interviews are Dr Peterson, and Leo Zagami in regards to information that was shared to Bill and Kerry, not so much what was presented.





I see someone asked why here, this forum? Well it’s the only forum that’s got it right, end of. We explained we were not Heather, and that the information used was part of a test very astute, but nothing sinister or bad. Our group does not attack people; we don’t have any type of military presence.

Really? Gosh, I feel so special. How exciting, a little bit of drama, a little bit of risk and excitement to take me out of my boring, empty life, makes me feel, well, special. It's so nice to feel important, and erm.. special.

You're pretty special yourself. You are, like a few other people here, another expert in cognitive dissonance.

But can you meet people in the Astra? (Apparently Charles has a special Astra that he meets people in. It's a bit like the Delorean, but being a nondescript family car, it's much more difficult to spot.)

[bashi]

It's true that we are not who you think we are and that you have no idea who we could possibly be.

Roubaix

Well, i think you underestimate Avalon:


"Die Königliche Kunst wird nicht schnell gefunden
Ihr Geheimnis ist nicht von der lauten Art
In des Maurers Herz ist es gebunden
In der Alten Loge wird es verwahrt
(Anderson 1723)"

By your honor: Am i right or wrong?

and Bill, these guys are right in one thing: They are not very far from Zürich...

[Kerry Cassidy]

Choose federal law enforcement. Choose the military. Choose NASA or the CDC. Choose lying to your superiors. Choose to ruin your career. Choose no friends. Choose divorce. Choose life through the bottom of a bottle. Choose destroying evidence and executing innocent people because they know too ****ing much. Choose black fatigues and matching gas masks. Chose an MP5 stolen from the CIA loaded with glasers, with a wide range of ****ing attachments. Choose blazing away at mind numbing, sanity crushing things from beyond the stars, wondering whether you'd be better off stuffing the barrel in your own mouth. Choose The King In Yellow and waking up wondering who you are. Choose a 9mm retirement plan. Choose going out with a bang at the end of it all, PGP encrypting your last message down a securely laid cable as an NRO Delta wetworks squad busts through your door.

Choose one last Night at the Opera.

Choose Delta Green.

http://fairfieldproject.wikidot.com/delta-green


Click on the blue tags on the left down of the page for more information. Btw if your name is not on their list yet, they're working on it . They are everywhere , they need you . Welcome to the Matrix.


Sorry for the bad humor but it's my feeling that many of you here are not smart enough ( as I'm not either ) to see what are people capable of. The bigger the lie more difficult to see it.




Tunning out , take no offense if you are of truth


:plane:

:-)

Brilliant.

Kerry

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Howdy,

This is not sinister and you can ask why we’re here, it’s to have our group provide assistance, and to help and challenge you, help train you for the onslaught to come. Mods and other people do have real handlers here, ask them if this is going to get worse or better?
By challenging you, you get stronger, this will help strengthen a group that cohesive now but Avalon is becoming a team, its own scientific governing group.




Some of you will have decisions, those decisions could shape the world. Every agency has people here, CIA, MI5 and so on, and they are active posting members, so to say we have infiltrated is stupid, you were infiltrated way back in PA.1 You don't interview the people, that Bill and Kerry have without drawing a crowd.

People are spending money to keep you safe, people that won't be around forever, we have to help change the game before that happens. We support Charles and everything he says. But if reports of his illness are correct then this is a small window of opportunity.

In our opinion the two biggest interviews are Dr Peterson, and Leo Zagami in regards to information that was shared to Bill and Kerry, not so much what was presented.





I see someone asked why here, this forum? Well it’s the only forum that’s got it right, end of. We explained we were not Heather, and that the information used was part of a test very astute, but nothing sinister or bad. Our group does not attack people; we don’t have any type of military presence.

Hi there,

Thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I thought would happen as a result of my reveal.

From my view... an intel operation is a given... both from this group and other not so forthcoming individuals on the forum(s). The real question is whether the intent of the "OP" is positive or negative.

In this case, at least, based on the writer, their intent is positive. That remains to be seen. However, it makes sense that they would come forward in this way.

Kerry

[Icecold]

Kerry



In this case, at least, based on the writer, their intent is positive. The remains to be seen. However, it makes sense that they would come forward in this way.

By lying and bragging about genocide as if its a Sunday School picnic??

That doesn't sound very positive to me.

Heather is a pathological liar.


More importantly people....we do not NEED Heather....or Kerry supporting Heather for that matter.

[ace]

It's true that we are not who you think we are and that you have no idea who we could possibly be.

Roubaix

Well, i think you underestimate Avalon:


"Die Königliche Kunst wird nicht schnell gefunden
Ihr Geheimnis ist nicht von der lauten Art
In des Maurers Herz ist es gebunden
In der Alten Loge wird es verwahrt
(Anderson 1723)"


and Bill, these guys are right in one thing: They are very near to Zürich...


"The Royal Art is not found quickly
Their secret is not the kind of loud
In the Mason's heart is bound
In the old box it is kept
(Anderson 1723) "

[granny]

By the way Paul - how would "Heather" penetrate this Forum to post when ostensibly "she" (or whatever "she" is, which may not even be human) was unsubscribed?I don't really know what happened there or how - sorry.
Hmmm ... have been out of this thread for a while ... was Heather unsubscribed? Gran

[Carmody]

Choose federal law enforcement. Choose the military. Choose NASA or the CDC. Choose lying to your superiors. Choose to ruin your career. Choose no friends. Choose divorce. Choose life through the bottom of a bottle. Choose destroying evidence and executing innocent people because they know too ****ing much. Choose black fatigues and matching gas masks. Chose an MP5 stolen from the CIA loaded with glasers, with a wide range of ****ing attachments. Choose blazing away at mind numbing, sanity crushing things from beyond the stars, wondering whether you'd be better off stuffing the barrel in your own mouth. Choose The King In Yellow and waking up wondering who you are. Choose a 9mm retirement plan. Choose going out with a bang at the end of it all, PGP encrypting your last message down a securely laid cable as an NRO Delta wetworks squad busts through your door.

Choose one last Night at the Opera.

Choose Delta Green.

http://fairfieldproject.wikidot.com/delta-green


Click on the blue tags on the left down of the page for more information. Btw if your name is not on their list yet, they're working on it . They are everywhere , they need you . Welcome to the Matrix.


Sorry for the bad humor but it's my feeling that many of you here are not smart enough ( as I'm not either ) to see what are people capable of. The bigger the lie more difficult to see it.




Tunning out , take no offense if you are of truth


:plane:

:-)

Brilliant.

Kerry

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Howdy,

This is not sinister and you can ask why we’re here, it’s to have our group provide assistance, and to help and challenge you, help train you for the onslaught to come. Mods and other people do have real handlers here, ask them if this is going to get worse or better?
By challenging you, you get stronger, this will help strengthen a group that cohesive now but Avalon is becoming a team, its own scientific governing group.




Some of you will have decisions, those decisions could shape the world. Every agency has people here, CIA, MI5 and so on, and they are active posting members, so to say we have infiltrated is stupid, you were infiltrated way back in PA.1 You don't interview the people, that Bill and Kerry have without drawing a crowd.

People are spending money to keep you safe, people that won't be around forever, we have to help change the game before that happens. We support Charles and everything he says. But if reports of his illness are correct then this is a small window of opportunity.

In our opinion the two biggest interviews are Dr Peterson, and Leo Zagami in regards to information that was shared to Bill and Kerry, not so much what was presented.





I see someone asked why here, this forum? Well it’s the only forum that’s got it right, end of. We explained we were not Heather, and that the information used was part of a test very astute, but nothing sinister or bad. Our group does not attack people; we don’t have any type of military presence.

Hi there,

Thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I thought would happen as a result of my reveal.

From my view... an intel operation is a given... both from this group and other not so forthcoming individuals on the forum(s). The real question is whether the intent of the "OP" is positive or negative.

In this case, at least, based on the writer, their intent is positive. The remains to be seen. However, it makes sense that they would come forward in this way.

Kerry

I'll say that when the information went from 'known public science' and shifted gears into the esoteric explanations of the science involved.... THAT is when I sat up and said....'wait a minute'..that is starting to make sense now.To my understandings (which are far from complete, I stress)....that is/was going in the right directions ...for technical descriptors..for dimensional holographic manipulation as a 3d manifestation. (or vice-versa, as they are connected)

For me it was bull crap, bull crap, bull crap......gotta be bull.......Until Then.

I made a post in the last 36 hours that seemingly covers this. ;)

[Bill Ryan]

was Heather unsubscribed? Gran

No. This 'Heather' (with the same e-mail address as the 'real' one) appeared the day after Ben Murphy / Kinsuemei2 left voluntarily.

We noticed immediately - and then just sat and waited.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

I was just informed, that we are to abandon the Heatherjjanderson profile, as posting could be confusing. We thank Heather the real heather for the use of her email address and biographical information that we had full access to. But now we will make 12 individual profiles, and place a line in the application topic so that the Moderators know who we are.

This is only subject to forum approval.

So if this account could be closed, we will not hide our presence and introduce our selves to the forum, and describe what we do, our fields, how we can help.

Resource 12

[bluestflame]

a machine or device capable of detecting , reading, manipulating, ( altering) the "fields" of physical organisms , maybe even bonding

http://meltdown2011.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/radar-ears-sepia.jpg

[Icecold]

Well overt infiltration.......that's dandy.

What if you are not appropriate members.

So you intend to waltz in and take over control?


MODS!

I can't believe you will get away with this Heather. You must really be on a tight schedule.

You even hurried the report. ;)

The technical VS the spiritual.

I wonder how many members will be exposed to these agents, as a little forum experiment?

Sinister is an understatement.

[firstlook]

Kerry



In this case, at least, based on the writer, their intent is positive. The remains to be seen. However, it makes sense that they would come forward in this way.

By lying and bragging about genocide as if its a Sunday School picnic??

That doesn't sound very positive to me.

Heather is a pathological liar.


More importantly people....we do not NEED Heather....or Kerry supporting Heather for that matter.

I like the idea of everyone supporting each other. Just makes sense and seems honest.

:)

[Omni]

Interesting thread. I read the whole thing. I really like the posters here(and at camelot), these forums are gems of the internet in my view. And help give me more hope for humanity in seeing how many reasonable people visit these places.

I'm not sure what to think of the heather material, but I do ask this question to anyone who is not as ignorant as I am about this. Has anything tangible come from this? Anything we did not already know(beyond incomprehensible formulas)? It appears to be a distraction at my first glipse... But I could be wrong of course.

I know the ET side of things and how coordinated they are. This is far too sloppy for their work if it's a purposely propagated disinfo op by them(unless diplomatic interference was involved, or they were not 'firing rounds' at their highest intensity on purpose to toss a screw in reasoning like my angle of perception).

In fact I find it very odd indeed... What I find odd is the emails sent to professors to double check the equations and such whoever posting as Heather(whether its her or not) gave. If this was an intentional op, it seems whoever is doing it is very bad at it or intentionally being disrespectful to our intelligence. Do they really think they could say some BS and think the people at Avalon would not double check it? Or was it a misinterpretation or something?

In my experiences with ETs I have learned one extremely good method of finding the true intention of some things done by TPTB. You can deduce who did what, by analyzing what EXACT reaction is achieved by any given stimulus(which they are methodical enough to know seemingly very precisely what reaction any stimulus will have).
This is a clear view into the motive of doing such. One can calculate the probability of a psy op originating from TPTB with these methods. At least the ET variable it is quite sturdy with. I do not believe the human PTB is omnipotent enough to carry out perfected predictions without help of their masters... 9-11 would be something I would give credit to the humans for carrying out it was so arrogant and sloppy, and I doubt they did it alone anyway.

So this is my question for other heads(my mind and memory of this thread is being suppressed at the moment).

What would be the reaction to this situation? What was YOUR reaction to this situation? If it's the beings I deal with, they are ridiculously methodical. They do not make mistakes, unless they are intentional(made possible by the 'other' side), or unavoidable due to how massive of an equation they are carrying out which is more of a flaw than a mistake.

So, I pose this question to Kerry and Bill, or anyone who has enough information on this situation to judge:

What was the reaction to the heather material in PC and PA? Was there any infighting going on as a result(specifically between Bill and Kerry)? Did it draw you further from unity, or closer? Was the timing possibly 'convenient'? The ETs I deal with can play people like pawns, when they don't even know they are on the chessboard...

I can safely say the dark forces(who I cannot escape from, but it comes with advantages, like knowing them and being able to expose them without swift death[although torture is well within my equation for posts like some I have made on forums]) want PC and PA to fight. They want Kerry and Bill to cease communication, and when they have it, they want it to be corrosive to their relationship, and they want it ALL to be aired out in the public. What they want to see, is forum and blog posts full of 'problems with each other' instead of information exposing them and black ops and the like. They want to see the both of Bill and Kerry attack each others views, topics, and interviews if possible. They want to see the people of former 'united' camelot in disharmony. They want to see both 'Projects' discredited with delusional views or disinformation instead of people with esoteric truth. They want people to hold ill views of either Kerry or Bill, to polarize the followers of both projects. They want the division of Camelot into Avalon and Camelot to dry up the funding for at least one of them they have told me. Which on a side note I will be donating to both in the future due to a friendly tax year...

They want to see people who side with Kerry or Bill strongly, and fight with the 'other side' instead of converse light heartedly, or revolving student-teacher interactions with posters. They want people to bash Kerry coldheartedly(like I have seen many people do on facebook or other places). They kind of derailed my thoughts and fragmented them into trails I would not have naturally gone on right now.. For what purpose I do not know. This whole post was controlled by TPTB in both good and bad on our planet... Like most of my posts are. Sometimes one sides influence on my posts is merely negating something that I would say, at other times it's carefully planted disinfo, I feel I must warn(other times my intellect is enhanced, its a balance)... Although things are getting slowly better with the information I receive. It's gone from totally pointless, to tangible on a curve. Every month I am subjected to new thoughts and new possibilities, and most of the time with new months, I get better information and a better view of my situation...

Anyway I had a decent thought chain going but it was completely derailed by a force that oversees my mind....

I had a complex array of energy when Kerry said let the best man win... I did not like that comment. Not to say it's not a noble one.. And not to say my view is correct for sure.... If it was only humans operating TPTB we would have no problem dissolving it over time I feel(it already would be dissolved). The force that oversees TPTB on our planet is so advanced, we do not have a chance without help(which we very well may have, but I still see a dependency on it). I do not want to see Kerry or Bill take on the force head on I've come to know well, the best man would not win(in literal terms). The most advanced being would win, and it's not us. Hell in my view is something to experience in our planes of existence. And I have come to know torture, and suffering quite intimately being an insider of the exo-situation. I would hate to see either of them go through what they did to me strategically before my ET contact took place. Which was total character assassination through mind control to most of my friends, and all of my family.

Sorry for my ramble there, they are seemingly wanting me to not post this post as coherently and smoothly as I would naturally. I have had to reread this so many times, and they keep negating my discernment.... So if you see major or minor flaws in this post please do not apply them to me specifically...

I guess my question(I'll repost it down here) is, what strategic effects does this circumstance have on PA and PC. The exact reaction that happens, is what was planned if it was done by the pinnacle of the pyramid... Which I do not suspect here I guess. Mind control can get very tiresome.. I wonder what I would have said naturally in this post with my actual memories of reading the posts in this thread(which are completely gone atm)...

Anyway, I liked the thread. Not because I gained anything, as it has all been deleted from my memory... But I do remember liking the thoughts I was reading from people. Which is rare at times depending on what forum I am on.

[magicmanx]

Howdy to you too..........

Re Your post#411

(Quote. I see someone asked why here, this forum?

Well it’s the only forum that’s got it right, end of.

We explained we were not Heather, and that the information used was part of a test very astute, but nothing sinister or bad. Our group does not attack people; we don’t have any type of military presence. end of Quote. )

Thank you so much for your reply

One down and 4 to go:

How have we managed that?..... What have we got?.....When will somebody reveal the real un edited truth?........... and Where do we go from here?

With respect....... we are all listening...... I will re phrase that...certainly I am.

[Charlie Pecos]

Heather, Joanie, Ben, Roubaix, and now it's Resource 12. Why all the name changes?
Seems a bit deceptive, don't you think?
What will be the next name?

[Gardener]

Our group does not attack people; we don’t have any type of military presence.

And yet you found it necessary to lie, to impersonate others, to cook up some pseudo biological quotes, to falsly engage with gypsy woman, and use various types of manipulation in your latest post, just to get the groups attention

Saying again... by their fruits shall you now them.

[Realeyes]

Hi there,

Thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I thought would happen as a result of my reveal.

From my view... an intel operation is a given... both from this group and other not so forthcoming individuals on the forum(s). The real question is whether the intent of the "OP" is positive or negative.

In this case, at least, based on the writer, their intent is positive. The remains to be seen. However, it makes sense that they would come forward in this way.

Kerry

I'll say that when the information went from 'known public science' and shifted gears into the esoteric explanations of the science involved.... THAT is when I sat up and said....'wait a minute'..that is starting to make sense now.To my understandings (which are far from complete, I stress)....that is/was going in the right directions ...for technical descriptors..for dimensional holographic manipulation as a 3d manifestation. (or vice-versa, as they are connected)

For me it was bull crap, bull crap, bull crap......gotta be bull.......Until Then.

I made a post in the last 36 hours that seemingly covers this. ;)[/QUOTE]


Sorry can't seem to get the quote looking right - highlight in blue my words to make it seperated from above.

I’ve been a quiet member for years of Project Camelot & Avalon, never done forums before, not felt the need. Then a very strong magnetism several weeks ago brought me here, I do not really know why yet, but have felt profound changes in myself because of it – an energy/consciousness of sorts bringing out the warrior.
I have been in pm with Heather – I intuitively knew there was more than what met the eye. I just want to post here that I have received delightful, intelligent communication; I asked some loaded private questions that would be classed as beyond the human perceptions we daily use. I was very satisfied with the humble and loving answers I received back. I will now sit back and learn more as to why I have been drawn to this forum and all your wonderful minds! Thank You for this experience! I know not where it is leading me - but know i am on track!:kiss:

[Agape]

I was just informed, that we are to abandon the Heatherjjanderson profile, as posting could be confusing. We thank Heather the real heather for the use of her email address and biographical information that we had full access to. But now we will make 12 individual profiles, and place a line in the application topic so that the Moderators know who we are.

This is only subject to forum approval.

So if this account could be closed, we will not hide our presence and introduce our selves to the forum, and describe what we do, our fields, how we can help.

Resource 12


12 Heathers and all lying with conviction ? NO. I've never heard about any secret ops disclosing their real intents , the same goes for the Charles material as far as I'm concerned and anyone else with such agenda trying to prove themselves openly .

Whatever you say will be misguiding, smoke and mirrors, if you are pointing to Pete Peterson or JJ Anderson it just tells they're not the real deal .

Having 12 Prof liers on the board is not an advantage. One is enough :lol:


Agape

[Icecold]

If the forum hierarchy allows this breach of confidence, you as members will be exposed in ways you can only dream of...in nightmares.

Have the members got any say in their own security or are they going to be thrown to the crocodiles...as a little experiment?

The Enlightened experiment, probably this group's first attempt showed how members can be led astray.

The fact that Kerry is supporting this is highly suspicious.

So what made the group jump early instead of waiting till Monday?

It was probably the Atticus experiment. There is a sense of urgency now with this group.

The Atticus experiment is the first practical step in a process which is terrifying these bastards.

Are you going to give away your power to the techno monsters?

They want to turn you off. Take away your power just at the moment when you are awakening. Isn't this the old game of the elites? Isn't that the reason you chose to wake up??? They want to put you right back in the box.

[davyj0nes]

Resource 12
Ooo... a new a rabbit hole...


Well overt infiltration.......that's dandy.
MODS!
Perhaps the mods could allow 1 of the 12 to post, just to see what they have to say?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
12+18=30
so, now we just need the other 3 and we'll have a full house.:faint2:

[aikya]

I was just informed, that we are to abandon the Heatherjjanderson profile, as posting could be confusing. We thank Heather the real heather for the use of her email address and biographical information that we had full access to. But now we will make 12 individual profiles, and place a line in the application topic so that the Moderators know who we are.

This is only subject to forum approval.

So if this account could be closed, we will not hide our presence and introduce our selves to the forum, and describe what we do, our fields, how we can help.

Resource 12

Heather, hi, you say 12 profiles - I was wondering, how many are you, and who are you?

Edit to add:

There seems to be an influx recently of people coming into the forum recently and making all sorts of strange claims, without providing evidence of who they are...

[Kerry Cassidy]

If the forum hierarchy allows this breach of confidence, you as members will be exposed in ways you can only dream of...in nightmares.

Have the members got any say in their own security or are they going to be thrown to the crocodiles...as a little experiment?

The Enlightened experiment, probably this group's first attempt showed how members can be led astray.

The fact that Kerry is supporting this is highly suspicious.

And the fact that you can't read and grasp what you read and then ascribe a position to my post that isn't there is a clear indication that you need to stop, look and listen for a change.

I by no means "support" or agree with the posters... Whether they are positively oriented REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/

[firstlook]

All in all, I'm torn between the notion of having "disinformation on the forum".

I really am. I think that its interesting the conversations that spawn out from the idea of what is true and what is not.

I think the real issue people are getting upset about is not the deception but those who supposedly fall for the deception. And even then going back to ominverse's post (#431) what does that actually mean to fall for deception? Surely its subjective relating to the actual information. Then you have to realize that its actually the people who see the deception who are literally more responsible for..............dictaing the strength and unity of the forum.

Its funny when you really look at this issue. If someone believes "disinformation", is it important to ask why they believe it and what they get out of it? Perhaps this is the way to point out where the idea from truth and self truth can be pointed out thus teaching the individual to the facts without..............showing a lack of understanding of each individuals perception and understanding. Of course this idea is wide ranging depending on all the complications of a person.

I just find it fascinating that people say that respect comes from a persons discernment, like its a automatic quality.

I'm going to make a statement in the best intentions and utter respect for those who are the most intelligent and highest regards when it comes to experience:

It is not a challenge for those who are being deceived to simply understand, but in-fact a even greater challenge and responsibility for those who do understand and have a greater outlook, to patiently respond to each individuals perspective and work through the self truths in order to debate the actual facts. And even then it is still up to the teacher or mentor to not hold judgments in a hierarchy way, but to simply focus on the information so that it is easier for those in observation to get the picture.

I say let any disinformation, come within a reasonable standard so that not only do people who are slow to discern, improve there skills, but more importantly for those who are quick to discern, to improve there mentoring skills.

It seems that we should be using the virtue of patience above all else.

[arctourist]

well! let's hope the new people feel like talking and let us know who they are
good morning everyone and it's nice to 'be' here

[firstlook]

If the forum hierarchy allows this breach of confidence, you as members will be exposed in ways you can only dream of...in nightmares.


This is my concern about the mentality of the community though. It reminds me of strict religious factioning in which It is always an "us vs. them" motto.

It draws on reactionary thinking, which in lesser ways is beneficial, but in the long run does not let individuals grow and use their mind and free will to improve their perceptions and discernments.

[ace]

If the forum hierarchy allows this breach of confidence, you as members will be exposed in ways you can only dream of...in nightmares.

Have the members got any say in their own security or are they going to be thrown to the crocodiles...as a little experiment?

The Enlightened experiment, probably this group's first attempt showed how members can be led astray.

The fact that Kerry is supporting this is highly suspicious.

And the fact that you can't read and grasp what you read and then ascribe a position to my post that isn't there is a clear indication that you need to stop, look and listen for a change.

I by no means "support" or agree with the posters... Whether they are positively oriented REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/

Hi Kerry

That one thank you looks very lonley on it's own.
if you give one more, it will be like a "swan"....

just to brake the tension...

Regards
Ace

**** just noticed i landed on 666 some one get me off it pls

[Realeyes]

Hi Kerry,
thanks so much for your posts. I listened to your Sedona talk - thank you for explaining how & why you interview in such a way. I always knew there was a very good reason behind it - i remained patient and never judged 'that' which i did not fully understand. I love yours & Bill's work - it has brought so much light to this world! Bless you both!

[Icecold]

If the forum hierarchy allows this breach of confidence, you as members will be exposed in ways you can only dream of...in nightmares.

Have the members got any say in their own security or are they going to be thrown to the crocodiles...as a little experiment?

The Enlightened experiment, probably this group's first attempt showed how members can be led astray.

The fact that Kerry is supporting this is highly suspicious.

And the fact that you can't read and grasp what you read and then ascribe a position to my post that isn't there is a clear indication that you need to stop, look and listen for a change.

I by no means "support" or agree with the posters... Whether they are positively oriented REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/

Don't insult my intelligence.

Its perfectly clear that nothing REMAINS TO BE SEEN. The Heather posts speak for themselves. They are a perfect justification for my view.

You're very good at ad hominem arguments. Your vehement personal attacks against people are legendary. You even do it during interviews.

[Realeyes]

Good afternoon Atticus! Its hotting up in here.
Alchemy is at work!

[Icecold]

well! let's hope the new people feel like talking and let us know who they are
good morning everyone and it's nice to 'be' here

Arctourist. You have been highly critical of this forum, in fact you have said you would not like to be a member here. Now here you are. :)

[slvrfx]

:behindsofa:


Whoa Boy.

[JDM]

How are we to believe someone or something that has continually lied and deceived?

The story changes everyday. Im going with bull**** on this one.


EDIT: This is my personal opinion from my understanding so far. If something useful, helpful, information comes of this then I will redact my statement. admittedly it is curiously entertaining though

[ace]

well! let's hope the new people feel like talking and let us know who they are
good morning everyone and it's nice to 'be' here

Arctourist. You have been highly critical of this forum, in fact you have said you would not like to be a member here. Now here you are. :)

Ice Its only fools who never change their minds.
cut him some slack

Ace

[slvrfx]

Welcome Kerry. Glad you're here.

Let's be reasonable people.

We have much to learn from each other.

[arctourist]

well! let's hope the new people feel like talking and let us know who they are
good morning everyone and it's nice to 'be' here

Arctourist. You have been highly critical of this forum, in fact you have said you would not like to be a member here. Now here you are. :)

yeah hey
well it just looks interesting and i wouldn't take membership for granted-it's nice to be here-nice to be noticed!
i'd like to hear more about the 'onslaught to come' that 'heather' mentioned earlier-how about you?

[jorr lundstrom]

When my cats fight over a Robin. I remove the Robin. No more fighting. Easy. :nod:

[sygh]

The Log of Shunger??? WT Errr umm

I want $1,000,000. Inflation, sir. It happened when you were in cryonic sleep What? Alright, I want $1,000,000,000.

Yeah, baby. Yeah.

Sorry, I had to toss some humor in here, it was getting entirely too heavy. I haven't read all of the posts, but have read the Heather Material, so excuse me if I speak out of line.

I was going to say somethng more but. Better I think to ask. Kerry, how much of this Heather Material is real, and how much is bunk. I've read it and I'm having trouble taking it seriously. Most especially the Doctor's log.

[Kerry Cassidy]

When my cats fight over a Robin. I remove the Robin. No more fighting. Easy. :nod:

wow... the ultimate nazi "solution"....

Kerry

[Icecold]

well! let's hope the new people feel like talking and let us know who they are
good morning everyone and it's nice to 'be' here

Arctourist. You have been highly critical of this forum, in fact you have said you would not like to be a member here. Now here you are. :)

yeah hey
well it just looks interesting and i wouldn't take membership for granted-it's nice to be here-nice to be noticed!
i'd like to hear more about the 'onslaught to come' that 'heather' mentioned earlier-how about you?

I thought you might be a bit of a Heather buff Arctourist. ;)

[jorr lundstrom]

When my cats fight over a Robin. I remove the Robin. No more fighting. Easy. :nod:

wow... the ultimate nazi "solution"....

Kerry

I care about my cats. LOL

[Lettherebelight]

Camelot/Avalon has to remain a place where honest people can come and state their views/info in a straightforward, guileless manner. If we start clouding the forum with smoke and mirrors, then it will become just like anywhere else in the world.

Perhaps we need more stringent screening procedures...otherwise, what is the point of it all?

I'm glad Kerry is here. I maintain my original view, that her style is a perfect foil for Bill's.

Go Kerry...Go Bill!:cheer2:

[ace]

Thank you for that Kerry.
Now you have a swan by your side.
Did you know they mate for life.

Ace

[granny]

was Heather unsubscribed? Gran

No. This 'Heather' (with the same e-mail address as the 'real' one) appeared the day after Ben Murphy / Kinsuemei2 left voluntarily.

We noticed immediately - and then just sat and waited.
Well dangit ... am cornfused ... G :)
Hmmm ... back to just living in gratitude.

[firstlook]

When my cats fight over a Robin. I remove the Robin. No more fighting. Easy. :nod:

Except in this case the robin is the food, and we dont have people to spoon feed us the information.

We have to develop as a community through experience.

We dont want a bunch of domesticated cats who cant survive when they are out in the wild.

:)

[bluestflame]

there is no spoon ...

[firstlook]

Camelot/Avalon has to remain a place where honest people can come and state their views/info in a straightforward, guileless manner. If we start clouding the forum with smoke and mirrors, then it will become just like anywhere else in the world.

Perhaps we need more stringent screening procedures...otherwise, what is the point of it all?

The point is to develop. No one should be afraid to be fooled. That is dangerous in a community of truth. It creates an attitude of separation and disharmony.

IMO.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


there is no spoon ...

lol, indeed. ;)

[DianeKJ]

Thank you for that Kerry.
Now you have a swan by your side.
Did you know they mate for life.

Ace

lol
now I'm a little "uncomfy" ;)

[Icecold]

When my cats fight over a Robin. I remove the Robin. No more fighting. Easy. :nod:

wow... the ultimate nazi "solution"....

Kerry

I think the members have spoken Kerry.

They are an astute group of people and won't be fooled by Heather or her supporters such as yourself.

BTW, there are many many more and they are quickly learning to detect frauds like Heather and her supporters.

It seems logical that you would not bother with our members safety, after all you have your own forum and that is your focus.

[slvrfx]

Camelot/Avalon has to remain a place where honest people can come and state their views/info in a straightforward, guileless manner. If we start clouding the forum with smoke and mirrors, then it will become just like anywhere else in the world.

Perhaps we need more stringent screening procedures...otherwise, what is the point of it all?

We're all adults in here.

Yes.

It's to everyone's advantage to be in full view of everything, even the fog and the mirrors provide a perspective.

The only thing, IMHO, that should not be allowed is verbal abuse.

This is like a tapestry. A very colorful one, and the 'dark' colors add depth, richness, and contrast.

Enjoy. For it is a thing of beauty.

[DevilPigeon]

there is no spoon ...

weird synchronicity - i'm watching 'the matrix' on DVD and have just passed the part where neo first sees the oracle.... the scene with the buddha kid saying 'there is no spoon...'

[firstlook]

there is no spoon ...

weird synchronicity - i'm watching 'the matrix' on DVD and have just passed the part where neo first sees the oracle.... the scene with the buddha kid saying 'there is no spoon...'

That kid playing that part looks exactly like my younger brother. I mean a spitting image. That always freaked me out.

Sorry off topic.

[Carmody]

I'll say that when the information went from 'known public science' and shifted gears into the esoteric explanations of the science involved.... THAT is when I sat up and said....'wait a minute'..that is starting to make sense now.To my understandings (which are far from complete, I stress)....that is/was going in the right directions ...for technical descriptors..for dimensional holographic manipulation as a 3d manifestation. (or vice-versa, as they are connected)

For me it was bull crap, bull crap, bull crap......gotta be bull.......Until Then.

I made a post in the last 36 hours that seemingly covers this. ;)


Sorry can't seem to get the quote looking right - highlight in blue my words to make it separated from above.


I’ve been a quiet member for years of Project Camelot & Avalon, never done forums before, not felt the need. Then a very strong magnetism several weeks ago brought me here, I do not really know why yet, but have felt profound changes in myself because of it – an energy/consciousness of sorts bringing out the warrior.
I have been in pm with Heather – I intuitively knew there was more than what met the eye. I just want to post here that I have received delightful, intelligent communication; I asked some loaded private questions that would be classed as beyond the human perceptions we daily use. I was very satisfied with the humble and loving answers I received back. I will now sit back and learn more as to why I have been drawn to this forum and all your wonderful minds! Thank You for this experience! I know not where it is leading me - but know i am on track!:kiss:

The way I see it is that I must do my best to not even imply in posts, and that is a problem. That becomes/is ego and steering.

For the purposes of clarification I will say that (situation) has some aspects that intrigue me, but invest nothing in them, other than the curiosity.

That, is really what I was saying. Not really anything else. My bad was in the lack of clarification on this.

I'm not interested in steering this forum..and involvement by a person, if not carefully monitored by the participant, can evolve into such places.

The point that I wish to protect it (the forum) from damage, is also a problem (the rabid protector syndrome). The ego exists on both sides of the given 3D illusion coin.

And maybe that is a good thing to take away when looking at this entire thing, this forum, and the Charles material.

Tossing the coin away may be best.... but we do like our shiny things...

We are here, seemingly, to learn through experience..and thus I need to look,and to interact. But If I wish to have right action from right thought, well....I must perceive clearly first. This requires patience, in some fashion.

However, I'm still in this 3d world, for whatever that is worth.

If you think it through, that is probably part of why the Buddhist looks at you just a little bit blankly, but knowingly.

[jorr lundstrom]

When my cats fight over a Robin. I remove the Robin. No more fighting. Easy. :nod:

Except in this case the robin is the food, and we dont have people to spoon feed us the information.

We have to develop as a community through experience.

We dont want a bunch of domesticated cats who cant survive when they are out in the wild.

:)

Okido, get it. Would be a pity if the cats tear each other to pieces in experiencing.

So lets welcome 12 Robins. :whoo:

[Lettherebelight]

I'm glad Kerry is here. I maintain my original view, that her style is a perfect foil for Bill's.

Go Kerry...Go Bill!:cheer2:[/QUOTE]

[firstlook]

When my cats fight over a Robin. I remove the Robin. No more fighting. Easy. :nod:

Except in this case the robin is the food, and we dont have people to spoon feed us the information.

We have to develop as a community through experience.

We dont want a bunch of domesticated cats who cant survive when they are out in the wild.

:)

Okido, get it. Would be a pity if the cats tear each other to pieces in experiencing.

So lets welcome 12 Robins. :whoo:

A pity? I think its simply nature dont you? Respecting the cats free will to choose to fight or choose to handle the situation another way. I think the allowing of the Choice is the most important above all else.

Then we can help balance each cats choice to reflect their own path.

As for the 12 robins, perhaps they will learn something form the cats as well. ;) :bounce:

"Sometimes a person can meet his destiny on the road they took to avoid it" - The International

[aikya]

When my cats fight over a Robin. I remove the Robin. No more fighting. Easy. :nod:

wow... the ultimate nazi "solution"....

Kerry

I think the members have spoken Kerry.

They are an astute group of people and won't be fooled by Heather or her supporters such as yourself.

BTW, there are many many more and they are quickly learning to detect frauds like Heather and her supporters.

It seems logical that you would not bother with our members safety, after all you have your own forum and that is your focus.

No disrespect intended, but, I am a member, and you do not speak for me.

In fact, I don't consider anyone in a position to speak for the 'members', at least not without proper consultation.

If you have a grudge against someone, that's your right, but don't co-opt me into it by allegedly speaking for all. Thank you.

[shybastid]

Funny Kerry.. And some of you didn't know Kerry has a good sarcastic sense of humor. Good point too.

(sitting back and seeing if anything else volley's across the net)

[Limor Wolf]

Heather or whatever originally posted:
"So if this account could be closed, we will not hide our presence and introduce our selves to the forum, and describe what we do, our fields, how we can help."

I think that was a lousy preface from you guys (one of the lousiest i have seen)....but if you insist to continue...oh,well :)

[arctourist]

i guess we'll just have to watch for some 'heather' people and i'm sure it'll be interesting once they get thru...it took a whole day or more to actually get on the forum for me,let's hope it goes a little quicker for 'them'-whoever they are!

[bluestflame]

would enjoy a practical demonstration of the effects of water applied to fire

[Chuck]

It is not a challenge for those who are being deceived to simply understand, but in-fact a even greater challenge and responsibility for those who do understand and have a greater outlook, to patiently respond to each individuals perspective and work through the self truths in order to debate the actual facts. And even then it is still up to the teacher or mentor to not hold judgments in a hierarchy way, but to simply focus on the information so that it is easier for those in observation to get the picture.

I say let any disinformation, come within a reasonable standard so that not only do people who are slow to discern, improve there skills, but more importantly for those who are quick to discern, to improve there mentoring skills.

It seems that we should be using the virtue of patience above all else.

Hello firstlook,

I must acknowledge this thoughtful and insightful post. Very astute and constructive towards a greater purposeful good. Thank you!

[jorr lundstrom]

When my cats fight over a Robin. I remove the Robin. No more fighting. Easy. :nod:

Except in this case the robin is the food, and we dont have people to spoon feed us the information.

We have to develop as a community through experience.

We dont want a bunch of domesticated cats who cant survive when they are out in the wild.

:)

Okido, get it. Would be a pity if the cats tear each other to pieces in experiencing.

So lets welcome 12 Robins. :whoo:

A pity? I think its simply nature dont you? Respecting the cats free will to choose to fight or choose to handle the situation another way. I think the allowing of the Choice is the most important above all else.

Then we can help balance each cats choice to reflect their own path.

As for the 12 robins, perhaps they will learn something form the cats as well. ;) :bounce:

"Sometimes a person can meet his destiny on the road they took to avoid it" - The International

Ok, purist thinking, in the meantime I feed the cats. ;)

[davyj0nes]

...
i would like to point out that perfectresonance made an excellent post deducing and explaining the situation thus far, and if i did it right a link to that post should be up above.
So, is it all bull poo? maybe, maybe not. it seems resource 12 has some technomage ablities, but it could be just some kids from anonymous who are into ufo's. perfectresonance also points out in an earlier post that the kamelot forums were speaking to faux 'heather' some 20 days earlier. All the more troubling is Kerry's support of both faux 'heather' and now resource 12.
So, has Kerry been compromised? maybe, maybe not. Her and Bill remain close friends. Perhaps she just manufactured this whole event, trying to take the wind outta the sails of the charles material. Bring the focus back to her. 'Heather', after all, is the reason for the two forums.

[Snowbird]

Are lists of alumni public record?

If not the university will still have a record of degrees issued.

Not if she instituted a confidentiality statement.

[edina]

Camelot/Avalon has to remain a place where honest people can come and state their views/info in a straightforward, guileless manner. If we start clouding the forum with smoke and mirrors, then it will become just like anywhere else in the world.

Perhaps we need more stringent screening procedures...otherwise, what is the point of it all?

I'm glad Kerry is here. I maintain my original view, that her style is a perfect foil for Bill's.

Go Kerry...Go Bill!:cheer2:

My heart goes out to you, and your comment.
I would love the same thing.

However, this forum, our culture, in some ways, everything around us
is already "smoke and mirrors".

This is a part of this huge dilemma we're in, and a part of the huge
dilemma that the people who want to help us are in, as well.

Every where I turn, people are feeling something coming at us.
And this is regular folk, the people some call sheeple ( which btw,
is not a label I subscribe to.) "People" are more awake than many
realise, but we have huge blind spots. Places we just do not know
how to see, yet.

I feel lucky if I can be honest, straightforward and without guile,
to me this is the best I can hope for, because I know it is very easy
to deceive myself, much less be deceived by another self.

That sense of discerning what is true and not true really begins by
becoming discerning of my own internal deceptions and lies, first.
There just isn't any shortcut to integrity, and without it, we cannot
possibly hope to see reality clearly.

Greybeard may pop in here to talk about David Hawkins at this point,
since Hawkins speaks much about how we cannot tell the truth, until
we are in impeccable integrity to what is true in ourselves.

We're not in Kansas any more, and we've been down the Rabbit Hole
for a very long time now....

[passiglight]

The deeper the cut the thicker the BLOOD

[Heartsong]

The Heather 12 have announced that they will now each apply for a membership at Avalon. Are they doing it to instigate division?

It's possible we might begin to suspect each new member as having questionable motives. A possibility I think.

Our discernment is even more important.

[Kerry Cassidy]

I'm glad Kerry is here. I maintain my original view, that her style is a perfect foil for Bill's.

Go Kerry...Go Bill!:cheer2:[/QUOTE]

Actually, I think it's the other way around... He's clearly my 'straight man'... :cool:

[bashi]

I was just informed, that we are to abandon the Heatherjjanderson profile, as posting could be confusing. We thank Heather the real heather for the use of her email address and biographical information that we had full access to. But now we will make 12 individual profiles, and place a line in the application topic so that the Moderators know who we are.

This is only subject to forum approval.

So if this account could be closed, we will not hide our presence and introduce our selves to the forum, and describe what we do, our fields, how we can help.

Resource 12

This is a much more appreciated approach. Welcome!

[arctourist]

The Heather 12 have announced that they will now each apply for a membership at Avalon. Are they doing it to instigate division?

It's possible we might begin to suspect each new member as having questionable motives. A possibility I think.

Our discernment is even more important.

hey-how's it goin eh?
yes,well what's wrong with questioning questionable motives,right? everyone's got'm,i daresay!
personally i'm here to see what i can see,and be all i can be!
nevermind things i've said in the past...well i'm only human,and i do appreciate people's opinions,even if i don't appreciate those opinions-go ahead,i think people should say what they want,while they can!
looking fwd to hearing from these new members from this mysterious group,saying they're here to help us-help us how,i would ask,and i would thank them and i would hope to be very nice-but i wouldn't tell anyone else what to do,see?

[Ahkenaten]

And the award for the most poorly signposted joke on the thread goes to: K626...

guys, I think he was having a joke....

Taking the mickey, you know.

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and yes, I think your viewpoint is valuable round' here Ahkenaten, but please remember we're not all ops... Some of us are just regular wankers.[/QUOTE]

sometimes it takes special tools to sift the wheat from the chaff

[Ahkenaten]

I find most of this thread amusing, as most of you have no clue or even inclination of the scope of what is happening here. My advice would be to carry on, but work harder. I noticed the Cambridge bit, you either ignored the section on Clarification, and it's editor, please go back reread and try again.

It's true that we are not who you think we are and that you have no idea who we could possibly be.

I think most of what happened was covered by Kerry, she posted it herself on her forum. You have a lot of ground to cover, and you were all doing very well up until this speed bump. How can this be explained? Eliminate GW & Ben from this equation. Now look closer and try again, because your cold right now. Until we get the go ahead from Bill, we have to observe where you, the forum take this.

Roubaix

Hello Bill,
Could you please explain this? I'm sure there is a very good reason this thread was opened back up, and the statement above implies that you have full knowledge and approve of their "game".

Thank You, James

Hi, James - I'm afraid I can't. :)

I have absolutely no idea what she is, he is, or they are talking about. But it's extremely entertaining!

It is amusing that someone as in Mr. You Can Sue Me used someone else's Forum membership to enter the discussion the other day - it is amusing that "Heather" can enter the Forum via other ISPs even though she has been banned? Sounds like a security and integrity issue to me. If this were my Forum I would not find these kinds of antics to be amusing at all, with all respect Sir.

p.s. I see that I was incorrect in thinking Heather had been unsubscribed. My apologies to all......in any event I am concerned that the integrity of the Forum may be compromised by people such as Ben entering the discussion via others' membership, the effect is to create mistrust amongst members as to motives, identities, etc. now all compounded by the proposed entry of "12" Heather Black Crows.............

[arctourist]

i don't think 'heather' was banned...i could be wrong...

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[Gypsy Woman]

Well well well... What a crazy ride on the Heather Rollercoaster thus far for y'all, eh?

Can't say it's been nearly so much fun for me, reading that I'm "black ops", on people's "grey list" and all KINDS of other really cool stuff like that.

As I don't want to muck up the flow over at the "Heather is here... no... Heather is gone... no.... she's baaaack... nuh uh they're heeeere" thread with my own comments regarding what transpired during this little fracass, I'll deal with your questions and answer the comments which oughta be addressed here at this thread.

I've already done my homework. I hope you're ready able and willing to do yours...

I've been reading your questions and the comments directed at "GW" over at "Heather redux", and what I'll do is just nest them in my posts here, if that works for everyone involved?

Good? Great!

By the way? "GW" is the Village Idiot who clears the back 40 on a ranch in Crawford. The Gypsy Woman is clearing snow in a sovereign country north of him. (Don't ask him to name it, he's incurious about geography I hear...)

Anyway, I'm aware of exactly who bestowed that moniker upon me, and who ran with it, however, I never much cared for GeeDub, so in future? I'd appreciate being addressed by the name I came to this party with. OK?

Thanks folks...

I'm open for business.

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l564/Milena1958/warrior7.jpg

[Brodie75]

No questions just want to say welcome back :peace:

[sygh]

When my cats fight over a Robin. I remove the Robin. No more fighting. Easy. :nod:

wow... the ultimate nazi "solution"....

Kerry

I think the members have spoken Kerry.

They are an astute group of people and won't be fooled by Heather or her supporters such as yourself.

BTW, there are many many more and they are quickly learning to detect frauds like Heather and her supporters.

It seems logical that you would not bother with our members safety, after all you have your own forum and that is your focus.


Think about it Icecold, it was an insight, or maybe a bit of a joke: That was the ulitmate Nazi solution. Come on, it's OK. Your point is well taken, up until now.

[Omni]

I have a question, this whole heather thing is new to my(well today it is).

Will you please give a short summary of the situation? I would appreciate it.

[greybeard]

Welcome home Gypsy Woman.
Retreating behind a rock.
Dont know why I was always on the side of the Indians.
I also thought Tonto got a raw deal from the Lone Ranger.
before your time
Love Chris

[Flyswim]

Any chance of the back story to this please? Thanks.

[ace]

s**t that woman is back
4744

[Gypsy Woman]

Ace, you GOOF!

Missed ya...