Heather etc.

[Mike]

huh? yes, back story please.

and more importantly, should we expect any more scantily clad photos of you in a 70's style hooters outfit? that was you, right?;)

welcome back GW...er...oops...i mean...Gypsy Woman!

[arctourist]

yeah so hey!
what happened to the 'real heather' is one question that comes to me...

[Gypsy Woman]

Any chance of the back story to this please? Thanks.

"It was a dark and stormy night"... No it wasn't. I remember now, it's all coming back to me. Yes, I remember clearly. About 2 weeks ago, this forum virgin was stumbling through the mists of Avalon when what did she "spy"? Why, it was an interesting thread!

(This is going to be chock full of intrigue, I guarantee...)

The thread was entitled "Charles' Abilities" and I thought oh goody goody! Another Charles thread. I LOVE Charles (I'm one of his "handlers" dontcha know... oh I KNOW that you know. You've been told.)

So I crept in, quiet as a mouse, because I really didn't want to call any attention to myself. (didn't even know that members could see me sneaking in, that's what a forum virgin I was at that point in time. Feel like a burned out old street whore now...)

But I digress.

I'm having a good time scrolling through posts (it was a very active thread, that's why I crept in, like Emily Litella, to see what all this FUSS was about):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0

And that's when I spotted it: a CLUE to what I was really doing DOING in there!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11936-Charles-Abilities&p=111485&viewfull=1#post111485

[Gypsy Woman]

Welcome home Gypsy Woman.
Retreating behind a rock.
Dont know why I was always on the side of the Indians.
I also thought Tonto got a raw deal from the Lone Ranger.
before your time
Love Chris

Hey Chris!

Long time no talk eh?

Namaste

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l564/Milena1958/babaji8.jpg

[4th Sky]

I think GeeDub sounds kind of cool. All hip-hop style. I won't call you that though, I saw what happened to the last guy...

[greybeard]

Hi Gypsy Woman
Thats the photo I posted on the silent thread. Babaji speaks volumes.
Namaste

[Gypsy Woman]

No questions just want to say welcome back :peace:


Psssst... Brodie, don't tell this to anyone, but I was never really gone you know...

XXX

[Gypsy Woman]

I think GeeDub sounds kind of cool. All hip-hop style. I won't call you that though, I saw what happened to the last guy...

Hey! Only room for ONE comedian on this stage.

And Ace in da house...

And me...

And now YOU TOO???

OK, well, now this is going to turn into "A Night at the Improv". And me wanting to start off on a serious note and now you guys have just WRECKED everything for me... didn't you see that bow and arrow???

I've suffered the slings and arrows of outrageous accusations lately, so you just watch out mister with that flippant attitude of yours. This is SERIOUS BUSINESS I came here to do! So unless you want to end up like that last guy I took a chunk out of? GET SERIOUS DUDE.

And I mean that sincerely.

[Flyswim]

I see. Said the blind man to his deaf wife.

:ohwell:

[Charlie Pecos]

Hi Beautiful!

I missed you, glad your out on parole!

Ima go pop me some popcorn and watch the fireworks.:moony:

Love, James

[4th Sky]

I think GeeDub sounds kind of cool. All hip-hop style. I won't call you that though, I saw what happened to the last guy...

Hey! Only room for ONE comedian on this stage.

And Ace in da house...

And me...

And now YOU TOO???

OK, well, now this is going to turn into "A Night at the Improv". And me wanting to start off on a serious note and now you guys have just WRECKED everything for me... didn't you see that bow and arrow???

I've suffered the slings and arrows of outrageous accusations lately, so you just watch out mister with that flippant attitude of yours. This is SERIOUS BUSINESS I came here to do! So unless you want to end up like that last guy I took a chunk out of? GET SERIOUS DUDE.

And I mean that sincerely.

I just read that post to the beat of "Goin Back to Cali" by LL Cool J. I think you have some real talent. :)

[indiana]

Right he said and he left :happy:

[Midnight Rambler]

Hey Dude ever got your rug back?

Gypsy Woman. Good to C you back although you never left.

[buffski]

Hey Gypsy Woman :) Just one question babe: Are you a gypsy?
Ta x
Oh, and loVely to see you back, great energy!!

[indiana]

Naw man, u know,.,. but that, like, mmmm, who cares right.. :cool:

[bashi]

Heather, Joanie, Ben, Roubaix, and now it's Resource 12. Why all the name changes?


Different people and positions in a hierarchy...

[Gypsy Woman]

OK so where was I when i was so rudely interupted by all these people...

Right, I recall.

Let me back up a bit actually. The first post which intrigued me on that "Charles' Abilities" thread was THIS spunky one:


Originally Posted by bashi
Well,
the first part of the test you have managed:
You got the request and closed the window.

But, then
laughter and pity for you would fill the ether of the classroom, because you failed the second and third part of the test…

Sorry to act like a teacher here, but these are just imagined scenarios...
__________________________________________________________________________________________________
and

heatherjjanderson wrote back:

Then I believe the logical response would be to make you wait outside the classroom Bashi.

I felt like I had to come here and say something to you. Upon reading your comments, and viewing the attitude you attach, I have labored under a misapprehension as in this case... you are just not worth it, and I want to do a lot within this forum.

Charles has great abilities but they are not easy to describe. He uses subtly as a medium. He can direct a narrative by uttering only a few words and this is where he has power, he can get inside your mind much like he has this forum. it is a good thing, because people from all over the planet are watching. If Charles was not on the radar before, he most certainly is now.

He knows that time his time is short. I see he cares more than he lets on.

And I thought hmmm... that's a pretty darned good reply. She bashed Bashi without really bashing her... this gal is ok! I could learn a thing or two from her...


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11936-Charles-Abilities&p=111174&viewfull=1#post111174

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Naw man, u know,.,. but that, like, mmmm, who cares right.. :cool:

Yeah Jeff, you're so right, who really cares man...

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Hey Gypsy Woman :) Just one question babe: Are you a gypsy?
Ta x
Oh, and loVely to see you back, great energy!!

Babe? I'm old enough to be your... much older sister. Wait until I tell the gypsy king how forward you just were with me...

[Celine]

My my my you are a fire cracker arent you...


Ok this seems to me like a "rant thread"...given you may have something to rant about...

Do you think this is constructive?

If so, what are your goals?

Is the thread title misleading or are you here to discuss something to do with, heather being gone, apostles and your return?


What are you taking questions about?

[firstlook]

What are you taking questions about?

Yes, can I ask a question about the 12.....apostles.

Genuinely interested.

[crosby]

hi gypsy woman, and welcome back....i'm new here, relatively speaking, and i'm anxiously awaiting to hear everything you have to say. you have definitely brought an enormous audience to this subject and i find it very exciting. thanks for everything and please, carry on.........
warmest regards, corson

[Charlie Pecos]

:boink::croc::popcorn::behindsofa::pop2:

[Gypsy Woman]

My my my you are a fire cracker arent you...


Ok this seems to me like a "rant thread"...given you may have something to rant about...

Do you think this is constructive?

If so, what are your goals?

Is the thread title misleading or are you here to discuss something to do with, heather being gone, apostles and your return?


What are you taking questions about?

Well Celine, here's the thing: I either go defend what's been said and insinuated about what my "nefarious agenda" might really be here at Avalon, on the thread where most of the slings and arrows were slung and fired?

Or, I come in here and hang out with my friends, have a cup of coffee, and type my little story in the comfort of my own little thread, you know?

I chose Plan B. For the sake of everyone concerned. You are welcome to stick around, but as you can see, nothing much going on in here. Yet.

[passiglight]

Well one thing (or 14 things) is sure,,,,,,,,

we've had the ONE who comes before him, and now we've got the 12

All thats missing is the man himself

[Mr54]

Hi Gypsy,


Good to have you back in the fold, gotta ask as I remember when you were last "officially" amongst us you were slightly sleep deprived. Have you slept recently?

[passiglight]

So hey Gypsy woman,,

Waada you say,,,,,, we've got the ONE before the 12 following and still we're waiting for the main guest,, they obviously havn't found him yet lol

Blood oh blood what are thee that flows within

[Gypsy Woman]

hi gypsy woman, and welcome back....i'm new here, relatively speaking, and i'm anxiously awaiting to hear everything you have to say. you have definitely brought an enormous audience to this subject and i find it very exciting. thanks for everything and please, carry on.........
warmest regards, corson



Why thank you corson, nice to BE back...

Yes, I've seen you around the "Heather" thread quite a lot. You are obviously interested in that discussion over there, but see, the thing of it is? Back on February 5 when I thought I'd found HEATHER'S posts from January 27th, while she lurking in the shadows on her first day here? Turns out I was MUCH more in the dark than he/she/it/they were, eh?

When I opened that thread on February 10th, a scant day before I was kicked to the curb (and still on probation until March 13th I see... Richard also fined me 20 points, but I have no idea how he's going to collect them Maybe I better do some research), I had yet to receive any contact from "HeatherJJAnderson".

Well, I guessed I had put the cart before the horse by opening the thread BEFORE talking to her, but what was done was done, and I had no idea how to close it so...

I did notice she had "accepted" my friend invitation, so I took that as "consent". We were "friends" now. She still hadn't poked her nose into that thread though...

By the time she DID show up on Valentine's Day? I was already locked out of my account, so even if she had emailed me? I had no access to it, and it seemed like she was having a very good time on the thread so I watched and read and researched along with everyone else. I could not post, but no matter, brighter minds than mine had that covered...

Turns out "Heather" did not contact me via PM. Nothing in my box today but a "YOU'RE FIRED" red slip... Man, wish I had known I was getting banished before I said ta ta with my ta ta's and went to make my boy his lunch...

When I returned? And had cooled off and was AGHAST at what I'd done (ask Bill, he'll confirm that: AGHAST, "yes that's what Gypsy told me too"...) my profile was inaccessible to me and that photo was getting nested all over "POLL Dance" and I couldn't figure out how to STOP IT...

[Donna O]

I think the members have spoken Kerry.

They are an astute group of people and won't be fooled by Heather or her supporters such as yourself.

BTW, there are many many more and they are quickly learning to detect frauds like Heather and her supporters.

It seems logical that you would not bother with our members safety, after all you have your own forum and that is your focus.

With respect, speaking the loudest and most frequent does not mean you speak for the rest of us. I'm sure you will re-think that statement my friend

:peace:

[Celine]

OHHHH Ok so it IS a rant thread..


gothcha...

sorry to hear your so pissed GW.

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My my my you are a fire cracker arent you...


Ok this seems to me like a "rant thread"...given you may have something to rant about...

Do you think this is constructive?

If so, what are your goals?

Is the thread title misleading or are you here to discuss something to do with, heather being gone, apostles and your return?


What are you taking questions about?

Well Celine, here's the thing: I either go defend what's been said and insinuated about what my "nefarious agenda" might really be here at Avalon, on the thread where most of the slings and arrows were slung and fired?

Or, I come in here and hang out with my friends, have a cup of coffee, and type my little story in the comfort of my own little thread, you know?

I chose Plan B. For the sake of everyone concerned. You are welcome to stick around, but as you can see, nothing much going on in here. Yet.

The chat room is a place to "sit around cuber land and bitch about stuff"

This seems to me to be a conversation thread...honestly i can see where it will lead now..

Someone will say something to piss off another...either you...or another member...

And then what??

Bitching... name calling...and catty attitudes ...


You really see this as productive?


This is not what Avalon is about..

[4th Sky]

Someone will say something to piss off another...either you...or another member...



Glad you stepped up to plate to get things rolling. Self fulfilling prophecies in action. Witness the phenomenon here!

No harm no foul. This thread is fun, the chat room isn't.

[Smith]

Cool! Gypsy's back. Hey Gypsy!

[Charlie Pecos]

Gypsy,

I sincerely hope you see that you are being deliberately provoked again,

in the hopes of getting yourself kicked off the forum again.

Please don't take the bait.

Peace. Love. Unity.

[ace]

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you

Ace

[ace]

Bring your fears, your anger, your mind games Throw them in the fire. You no longer need those weapons.

I will fight for you Avalon. Here or anywhere you show your heart.

All I ask...

Do not forget who you are

Be well,
love Celine

Why the provocation.

Ace

[Atticus]

Hello gypsy woman.

I hope you are well , may I suggest as you were provoked before into a pointless argument , that you talk to me instead.

You were not here so you missed an opportunity.

With this in mind 3 short questions I owe you at least.

...................

I really do not want to turn this into a circus , just 3 from gypsy.


Only if you wish ,;)

[ace]

Wish i had a euro for every time you been thank'd Atticus

4745

[Chuck]

Wish i had a euro for every time you been thank'd Atticus

4745

lol Tough... thankful job

[Fractalius]

Is that you Wings4Wheels?

[Atticus]

I've just realised I have put you on the spot , apologies .

Atticus

[moais]

May you give me the honor of aksing?

today is tomorrow, now tell us... please

You said so

[DianeKJ]

I've just realised I have put you on the spot , apologies .

Atticus

She may be off in "pm" land and hasn't even seen message yet

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Welcome back Gypsy, even though you were never really gone :)
Namaste,
Di

[Fred Steeves]

O.K. Gypsy Woman. I like your happy picture, like your friskiness, and you're genuinely funny. I like that. Really do.

So, that being said, are you going to get to the point of your thread? Being coy is beginning to skate on thin ice around here these days. Unless you want to open a bitching humor thread, that would be fun for a while...

Cheers,
Fred S.

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no Atticus, see?

[Gone001]

I've just realised I have put you on the spot , apologies .

Atticus

She may be off in "pm" land and hasn't even seen message yet

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Welcome back Gypsy, even though you were never really gone :)
Namaste,
Di

Scroll down too thread information... probably just thinking. If the same were asked of me I would probably sit on it for a while. One only gets such an opportunity ever so often.

[Dennis Leahy]

Gypsy Woman,

I greatly appreciate your humor and approach, especially since you have suffered slings and arrows. A very enlightened approach - I could learn a lot from you. (In person, I'm funny; in text, I'm too damn serious.)

Dennis

[crosby]

i just visited the "heather is NOT here thread" and i realized that the "apostles" will be the 12 individuals who were posing as heatherjjanderson. provided that they are approved for membership. it will be interesting to watch how this unfolds and if they truly have any informative dialog to impart on the rest of the forum members. stay tuned.......
warmest regards, corson

[dejavu]

What a nice warm vibe in this thread............ it's like a breath of digital fresh air LoL. So pleased your here Gypsy woman!

[GoldenYears]

How interesting.....most of the folks posting on this thread are male.....:whistle :

[Billy]

I've just realised I have put you on the spot , apologies .

Atticus

I think Gypsy Woman may be breathing slowly and being patient before replying. good medicine before asking. give Gypsy Woman a little space. Bless you all

[bashi]

Hi GW,
you are a bit too biased, isn`t it?

[Anchor]

To all the people telling Gypsy Woman what is or isn't good and right for her,

It is a pity that people are not allowed to be individuals. As soon as someone starts, every one tries to mould them. This is what the old paradigm wants - to stamp out individuality and many people here seem to be stuck on that train. Please, consider getting off that train, there are not too many stopping points left on the intolerance line to nowhere.

John..

[bashi]

OOPs, blown away. Sorry, relax i am cool and not out for something. :cool:

Just wanted to say that you forgot to post this:


I was supposed to respond verbally, and the fact that I responded telepathically indicated that I was boasting, bashi explained this to me in the background, in PM. bashi is a good guy, even if he is heavy handed at times.

This is why I asked Bashi for clarification.

I could feel I was walking into a trap, and yet, did not know the nature of the trap. In essence, we were playing two entirely different games. I was focussed on learning, I'm not sure what Bashi was focussing on, but it seems many people are familiar with the riddle he offered.

:shocked:

It is just the next post on that thread.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11936-Charles-Abilities&p=111344&viewfull=1#post111344

I know that this can be overlooked easily while looking for something. It is the mindless mind...

So, don't mind !

Anyow let me say something: GW, do you know that my name is a short? For what?

Greetings



Expected something like that, John. It proves that this clarification is neccessary.

.

[Anchor]

Expected something like that, John. It proves that this clarification is neccessary. I wasn't addressing my comment to you or any single person in particular actually :) It challenges my effort not to get depressed when I see people having to do battle here when there are more important battles there. (Sorry if that is obscure!)

I thought it unfortunate that Gypsy Woman was temporarily muted and having been there in that situation on the predecessor forum, I know exactly what it feels like.

John..

[arctourist]

well it looks like this thread ain't goin' anywhere for awhile...seems like there's too many threads...then again,maybe i could start my own thread and just try to get some activity generated that way...well i was anxious to hear from these people who were posting on heather's name...i would first ask,where's heather,would she know anything about these people? or is she even still on the planet,right?
i missed a lot the last month or so...i see charles is still in and out-well anyway! i hope the gypsy woman doesn't take too much crap-haha

[Phil]

Hello everyone, Well this is one of those cases to which I shake my head in disbelief, I am totally confused, about what has actually happened, in this thread, (it is a new one on me) I appreciate the members who led us thru, but! I am still totally lost, as to what was the intention of the heather person (in this situation) other than pure deception, am I correct or am I still missing the point totally, please excuse my ignorance. A great learning curve for me.:confused:

[bashi]

Expected something like that, John. It proves that this clarification is neccessary. I wasn't addressing my comment to you or any single person in particular actually :) It challenges my effort not to get depressed when I see people having to do battle here when there are more important battles there. (Sorry if that is obscure!)

I thought it unfortunate that Gypsy Woman was temporarily muted and having been there in that situation on the predecessor forum, I know exactly what it feels like.

John..

I know about the other battles. But it seems that we got new (unproven) allies...
I am happy about this development

[arctourist]

well what,did you read the thread? i know,threads are long! apparently there's a mysterious powerful group of people who want to talk to us,even help us,and this apparently is the last place we've heard from them,on this thread,under heather's name-but now they'll be posting under other names or another name,as soon as the moderators allow them to...like i said,it took a whole 24 hours or more to actually get my acct. activated,
i wonder how many members are here now-a lot more than before the charles video was 'dropped' at the first of the year,i guess?

[Lee-B]

Welcome back Gypsy Woman. Someone mentioned about a lot of men posting on this thread...that made me titter. To that I'd say, focus on what Gypsy Woman actually has to say, and think with the other head!

[Bill Ryan]

I'm glad Kerry is here. I maintain my original view, that her style is a perfect foil for Bill's.

Go Kerry...Go Bill!:cheer2:

Actually, I think it's the other way around... He's clearly my 'straight man'... :cool:

Yep, that's my role!

http://busterstuff.com/catalog/images/BusterKeaton%2072.jpg

[bashi]

I'm glad Kerry is here. I maintain my original view, that her style is a perfect foil for Bill's.

Go Kerry...Go Bill!:cheer2:

Actually, I think it's the other way around... He's clearly my 'straight man'... :cool:

Yep, that's my role!

]

How about my 3 musketeer suggestion earlier?

[arctourist]

ever feel like you're being watched?

[mrmalco]

Wow what a thread just read it all. Thanks everyone go to sleep now. If those 12 arrive someone please make sure we all know who they are.
Thanks. Icecold - don't always agree with you, but you can be anchorman in my tug-o-war team anytime!

[Gypsy Woman]

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you

Ace

LOL.... anytime I even see that French flag and red eyed (android?) i just GUFFAH in anticipation, and you rarely disappoint.

National Treasure. Like Marcel Marceau or who was that guy who sang "Ah quella bella Jessica"... come on peeps, got no time to look it up. It was Angie Dickinson he was singing to, riding his bike down a country road in Italy, a film about a good looking American female doctor who goes to work in a small Italian village full of petty gossipy women who feared their hotblooded husband's betrayal, and the old Parish priest who keeps sticking up for her... who was that old priest on the bike, cmon Avalon, let's do this...

Anyway, you should be a National Treasure mon ami!

[Gypsy Woman]

Hello gypsy woman.

I hope you are well , may I suggest as you were provoked before into a pointless argument , that you talk to me instead.

You were not here so you missed an opportunity.

With this in mind 3 short questions I owe you at least.

...................

I really do not want to turn this into a circus , just 3 from gypsy.


Only if you wish ,;)

No questions yet, let me think for awhile, these things don't come easy to me, but meanwhile?

I forgot to send you a Valentine's Card, (actually didn't forget, could not get in here to do it...) so I'm sending my favorite one to you now, belatedly.

(Don't think you're so special Charles, I sent the same one to Bill):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HguL2bIri1Q&feature=related

[Cottage Rose]

Naw man, u know,.,. but that, like, mmmm, who cares right.. :cool:

Welcome to the forum the dude abides! :hug:

[Celine]

I am getting a little blue here...

maybe i should go find something purple... like a shield.

[Cottage Rose]

OK so where was I when i was so rudely interupted by all these people...


Yeaaaa, Gypsy Woman is back!!!!!! :party:

[Celine]

Hello gypsy woman.

I hope you are well , may I suggest as you were provoked before into a pointless argument , that you talk to me instead.

You were not here so you missed an opportunity.

With this in mind 3 short questions I owe you at least.

...................

I really do not want to turn this into a circus , just 3 from gypsy.


Only if you wish ,;)

No questions yet, let me think for awhile, these things don't come easy to me, but meanwhile?

I forgot to send you a Valentine's Card, (actually didn't forget, could not get in here to do it...) so I'm sending my favorite one to you now, belatedly.

(Don't think you're so special Charles, I sent the same one to Bill):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HguL2bIri1Q&feature=related


Ooo playing two men ther.e..now thats balance ;)

I got some left over roses to sell ya

[Gypsy Woman]

Is that you Wings4Wheels?

Bill Ryan already asked me that question this morning too, you must be psychic or something...

PM him for my answer as it was quite long and rather "blue" in nature and I certainly would not want to be kicked off the forum for breach of etiquette!

[Gypsy Woman]

Hello gypsy woman.

I hope you are well , may I suggest as you were provoked before into a pointless argument , that you talk to me instead.

You were not here so you missed an opportunity.

With this in mind 3 short questions I owe you at least.

...................

I really do not want to turn this into a circus , just 3 from gypsy.


Only if you wish ,;)

No questions yet, let me think for awhile, these things don't come easy to me, but meanwhile?

I forgot to send you a Valentine's Card, (actually didn't forget, could not get in here to do it...) so I'm sending my favorite one to you now, belatedly.

(Don't think you're so special Charles, I sent the same one to Bill):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HguL2bIri1Q&feature=related


Ooo playing two men ther.e..now thats balance ;)

I got some left over roses to sell ya

No, there were 3 men who got the same Valentine... lol...

... definitely unbalanced Celine. But play this song enough? And it will balance you! It did me that day... ask Bill.

[Gypsy Woman]

OK so where was I when i was so rudely interupted by all these people...


Yeaaaa, Gypsy Woman is back!!!!!! :party:

Yeaaaa, my wild Roseanne is still here!!!!!

[Celine]

no I dont think i need to ask bill about balance...

seems we will find our own...

so seriously ...tell me whats up... i was away for vday ;)

[Ross]

Is that you Wings4Wheels?

Bill Ryan already asked me that question this morning too, you must be psychic or something...

PM him for my answer as it was quite long and rather "blue" in nature and I certainly would not want to be kicked off the forum for breach of etiquette!

Hi Gypsy,

Why cant you say here? "are/were you wings4wheels"

Ross

[Gypsy Woman]

ever feel like you're being watched?

No... but sometimes?

I feel like my email is being rerouted. And then other times? I lose my Skype connection... or FB chat connection... or sometimes? People will just quit talking to me right in the middle of a conversation and don't ever come back to finish it...

Does that qualify at all?

[Billy]

I hope all beings are well, a song to share,



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJsh_iTTZRg&feature=player_embedded

[Celine]

BLUE in nature??


oh for f-sakes....


NO MORE CLOAKS NO MORE DAGGERS...

these are old games..

"Im not going to tell you but if you want to know..pm blah blah"


Come on girl ...this is not it...

WHAT is the issue?

[Selene]

So.... let me understand the plot so far:

Overture:

• OUAT, a group of 12 Nefarious Porpoises (bad pun...couldn’t resist...) messes with Bill & Kerry, succeeds in divide-and-conquer/breaking them into two forums over the issue of the authenticity of ‘The Heather Material.’


• Said ‘Heather Material’ is perhaps disinfo targeted to ultimately discredit the whistleblowers/escapees from the MK-Ultra Supersoldier program who’ve spoken with Camelot. Heather package is a Serpo-type bomb designed to a) blow up the forum of whomever supports its authenticity and b) convince everyone else that the Supersoldier whistleblowers are sad, sad mental cases (along with the Original Heather).


So far, so good, but:


• Rather than divide into chaos and destitution, the Forum split multiplies itself like an amoeba. Bill & Kerry remain friends. More members join. (Disaster for the Nefarious!)


• Charles is next sent onto the case, to take down Bill. He’ll deal with Kerry later.


• But – zut! alors! – Charles turns. Or – at least – caves and changes his tactics. He ‘comes out’, wants to help us if we will help him, etc. Maybe. Jury still out here.


Meanwhile, back at the ranch:


• A gypsy with big – uh – brass hops onboard. A ‘forum virgin’, she claims. But whew, gentlemen. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a virgin hang out a shingle and open for business like that.....


• She asks for caution on vote option #3: Put up or shut up from Charles, (which most voting member ultimately support.) Give him more rope, she says. (Dumb question: How many other members were vocally soliciting votes for option A.B or C?) An unfortunate misstep? A yellow flag, at least. Hmmmmm...


• She next summons the wraith of Heather – the Original of whom may or may not still be alive, but boy, her ‘12 Apostles’ are right on the case. (Snow White and the 12 Dwarfs...? Nah...)

• She gets booted for obvious provocation- her manner is divisive and too ballsy eager to divide the forum into opponents. Obviously, too much so for a ‘forum virgin’, again, IMHO. An agenda?


• The 12 get outed. (Ya-a-a-a-y! for the Good Guys/Gals of Avalon! Well done!)


But! But!


• Instead of running for cover after outing, they next come forward with Plan B: We’re really, really nice guys who just wanna help...we were ‘just testing you’. Just let us entertain you a la Charles (that !@#$ who turned on us, the !@$%^...) Oh, please, let us in. We’re on your side, even if we do lie, cheat and steal (identities, metaphorically. But theft it is, and remains.) Oh, puleeeeze, pretty puleeeeeze. Right.


• And our gypsy, unchastened (yeah, okay, I couldn’t resist...) is promptly back at her saloon, unapologetic, holding forth.... gathering ‘em like flies.... Poor, poor little lily. She was only trying to help, you know...? Two strikes, babe. Quack. Quack.


How’s the story so far? Just wondering.

Opinions welcome.

Cheers,

Selene

[Gypsy Woman]

Is that you Wings4Wheels?

Bill Ryan already asked me that question this morning too, you must be psychic or something...

PM him for my answer as it was quite long and rather "blue" in nature and I certainly would not want to be kicked off the forum for breach of etiquette!

Hi Gypsy,

Why cant you say here? "are/were you wings4wheels"

Ross

I'll post the same email I sent Bill instead, would that work for you Ross? I see it doesn't contain the blue notes after all, those were the subsequent ones I sent after seeing my name being besmirched all over the "Heather" thread again, and me with my hands tied... (by the way? You're off my "friend list" for now, hope you don't mind...)

Bill will be able to say yay or nay whether I've altered a letter of it, typos and all, and have included the same tag photo: (I have erased my given name... and email address, of course. Only my FRIENDS and 3 letter organizations who quite possible are currently tampering with my life because of all this inane B U L L S H I T are privy to that sort of information. Oops...blueword Ross. maybe you'll let this ONE word slide, since I've seen so many typed but caught by your autocensors, so's not to offend. I do not wish to offend. Merely TYPE THE WORD I WISHED TO USE. My apologies to the forum...)

RE: Someone asked - are you also wings4wheels on another forum?

This is the only forum I'm at Bill... unsubscribed or otherwise, and have never been a member of any other. I believe that I indicated this to you in several early emails, as well as having posted this on Avalon, but perhaps I was not clear enough:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13501-High-Strangeness-Personal-Stories-Related-to-the-Charles-Phenomena&p=128280#post128280

Feb. 12th @ 8:43 om, PST, to Bill:
"Charles/Atticus and Gypsy Woman are forum virgins. We're both smart though, and learning on the fly..."

From my "_____@hotmail, reply to your initial contact with me after I was banned:
Feb 12th:
PS: I know you said "keep this in confidence", but I did read my son your letter. He has no idea who you are, and no idea what the Avalon Forum really is, so don't worry... He just knew I was down in the dumps yesterday after getting kicked out of Avalon and said at the time, "don't worry mom, you're new at this forum thing. It's just a forum. That kind of stuff always happens in forums, you can find another one..." No, I said. I can't. And I don't want to. That's where I was supposed to be, and I just screwed it up.

To Bill, Feb. 15th 6:13pm PST:
After being put in my place by Steve_a, a "Senior Member" who has been on Avalon for over a year now, after only my 3rd post? I felt like a complete idiot, figured out that it was possible to "edit" that post, sent him a thanks (didn't know, as I said, that I could PM him or anyone else at that time, much less that there WAS a PM system at Avalon. That was the FORUM VIRGIN I was 2 weeks ago... feel like a burned out old whore now...)

Anyway, hope I've answered that question to your satisfaction now, but if not? It's all I got Bill...

[Ahkenaten]

this is all a little melodramatic.......what is the purpose of this, I ask?

[Ross]

A simple yes or no would of been adequate.

Seems you took offense to my question.

Relax, you have just re-joined us. ;)

Ross

[Ahkenaten]

I wish she would put that gun down, bad vibes you know................this is a peaceful place, or was

[arctourist]

haha!
well! forums can be fun.....
so doesn't anyone know heather then? i guess we're on our own
nothing wrong with being suspicious...i suspect we're being watched-and laughed at!

[Eva2]

Must have been out to lunch with all this - haven't a clue what's going on - ha!

[lightblue]

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i do not like the guns, battles, swords, personal threats etc being featured on our pages.. i am serously thinking of requesting an unsubcription without delay..it's how bad it's got here...thanks for your consideration dear mods and bill...:yu: l

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[Tuza]

Lightblue please dont leave, I really do love you little cub. xo

[Ross]

I wish she would put that gun down, bad vibes you know................this is a peaceful place, or was

I removed the pic, not in the spirit of Avalon as it could of been mistaken as provocation.

Ross

[Ahkenaten]

Lightblue I agree 1000%. There should be no place for violent outbursts here........or threats. This drives people away and that is probably the purpose of this tactic.

[buffski]

I cant look anymore!!
It's like watching a cat getting kicked.
I'm outta here.
Disgusting!
Run girl.

[arctourist]

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i do not like the guns, battles, swords, personal threats etc being featured on our pages.. i am serously thinking of requesting an unsubcription without delay..it's how bad it's got here...thanks for your consideration dear mods and bill...:yu: l

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oh come on....personal threats? did i miss something?
you're threatening to leave....? that's not very nice,is it?

[Ross]

[QUOTE=lightblue;147328].
i do not like the guns, battles, swords, personal threats etc being featured on our pages.. i am serously thinking of requesting an unsubcription without delay..it's how bad it's got here...thanks for your consideration dear mods and bill...:yu: l


I agree completely, as does the Mod team. We are all busy with lives outside the forum. Since the membership growth we have had to bring on new mods to help keep up with the membership. The newer mods are still finding their feet. Not an easy job.

Please stay LB, you are part of this community. An old hand, wise and experienced.

Ok with that said....back on topic please.

Ross

[Gypsy Woman]

Ooo playing two men ther.e..now thats balance ;)

I got some left over roses to sell ya

I'm not buying.

People should have focused more on Stevie's voice and her message in this song, rather than anything petty they felt about the messenger (me) that might be bothering them... it's my favorite Stevie song, have listened to it hundreds of times, however now I regret having shared it, and it's been tainted for me.

My own fault.

I just over-estimated your largesse Celine, and under-estimated your capacity to keep hurting people here at Avalon, even after you "see" that they're pretty much down for the count. You just keep on pummeling.

[ThePythonicCow]

oh come on....personal threats? did i miss something?
you're threatening to leave....? that's not very nice,is it?See Ross's Post #81 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14580-Heather-is-gone-The-Apostles-are-here-and-Gypsy-in-da-House...-taking-questions.&p=147334&viewfull=1#post147334). It was a picture he removed, not a threat, the was the topic of concern.

[Celine]

Ooo playing two men ther.e..now thats balance ;)

I got some left over roses to sell ya

I'm not buying.

People should have focused more on Stevie's voice and her message in this song, rather than anything petty they felt about the messenger (me) that might be bothering them... it's my favorite Stevie song, have listened to it hundreds of times, however now I regret having shared it, and it's been tainted for me.

My own fault.

I just over-estimated your largesse Celine, and under-estimated your capacity to keep hurting people here at Avalon, even after you "see" that they're pretty much down for the count. You just keep on pummeling.

Largeness? oh do share...

I am only a reflection , GW.

And actualy, the comment was NOT ABOUT the song...it was about sending two vday cards to two men...i am sorry if a misuderstanding ruined your "song"

Airing dirty laundry is never a good thing...i was sincerly asking you wtf was up.

[Belle]

Boy, do you feel a little ganged up on here, Gypsy?

She's telling her story her way...give her a break. If it's not moving fast enough for some of you, you can always move on to another thread and come back later. Some of us are really happy she's back.

[Ahkenaten]

No More Oxygen for this - I am "pulling the plug."

[Lee-B]

C0llX0fEtks

[MariaDine]

http://quienmemandaria.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/oceans-twelve.jpg


It seems we are going to have our very own «Ocean Twelve» ! :p

[lightblue]

arctourist:
oh come on....personal threats? did i miss something?
you're threatening to leave....? that's not very nice,is it?

yes, i think you missed something: the picture that was posted..also you missed the meaning of the THREAT - here:

1.
a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury, etc., in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course; menace: He confessed under the threat of imprisonment.
2.
an indication or warning of probable trouble: The threat of a storm was in the air.

by saying i am threatening, you are completely missing the point! my leaving won't create no ripples..no storm..no threat from this end whoever you are arctourist etc... best wishes


thanks ross, i know life is hard these days and you are crazy busy... some other pictures
would need your fair hand ..in addition to self-indulgent personal vendettas ...i do hope you'll catch up... :yu: l

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[aquarian]

So.... let me understand the plot so far:

Overture:

• OUAT, a group of 12 Nefarious Porpoises (bad pun...couldn’t resist...) messes with Bill & Kerry, succeeds in divide-and-conquer/breaking them into two forums over the issue of the authenticity of ‘The Heather Material.’


• Said ‘Heather Material’ is perhaps disinfo targeted to ultimately discredit the whistleblowers/escapees from the MK-Ultra Supersoldier program who’ve spoken with Camelot. Heather package is a Serpo-type bomb designed to a) blow up the forum of whomever supports its authenticity and b) convince everyone else that the Supersoldier whistleblowers are sad, sad mental cases (along with the Original Heather).


So far, so good, but:


• Rather than divide into chaos and destitution, the Forum split multiplies itself like an amoeba. Bill & Kerry remain friends. More members join. (Disaster for the Nefarious!)


• Charles is next sent onto the case, to take down Bill. He’ll deal with Kerry later.


• But – zut! alors! – Charles turns. Or – at least – caves and changes his tactics. He ‘comes out’, wants to help us if we will help him, etc. Maybe. Jury still out here.


Meanwhile, back at the ranch:


• A gypsy with big – uh – brass hops onboard. A ‘forum virgin’, she claims. But whew, gentlemen. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a virgin hang out a shingle and open for business like that.....


• She asks for caution on vote option #3: Put up or shut up from Charles, (which most voting member ultimately support.) Give him more rope, she says. (Dumb question: How many other members were vocally soliciting votes for option A.B or C?) An unfortunate misstep? A yellow flag, at least. Hmmmmm...


• She next summons the wraith of Heather – the Original of whom may or may not still be alive, but boy, her ‘12 Apostles’ are right on the case. (Snow White and the 12 Dwarfs...? Nah...)

• She gets booted for obvious provocation- her manner is divisive and too ballsy eager to divide the forum into opponents. Obviously, too much so for a ‘forum virgin’, again, IMHO. An agenda?


• The 12 get outed. (Ya-a-a-a-y! for the Good Guys/Gals of Avalon! Well done!)


But! But!


• Instead of running for cover after outing, they next come forward with Plan B: We’re really, really nice guys who just wanna help...we were ‘just testing you’. Just let us entertain you a la Charles (that !@#$ who turned on us, the !@$%^...) Oh, please, let us in. We’re on your side, even if we do lie, cheat and steal (identities, metaphorically. But theft it is, and remains.) Oh, puleeeeze, pretty puleeeeeze. Right.


• And our gypsy, unchastened (yeah, okay, I couldn’t resist...) is promptly back at her saloon, unapologetic, holding forth.... gathering ‘em like flies.... Poor, poor little lily. She was only trying to help, you know...? Two strikes, babe. Quack. Quack.


How’s the story so far? Just wondering.

Opinions welcome.

Cheers,

Selene

Priceless!

[perfectresonance]

So.... let me understand the plot so far:

<snip>

How’s the story so far? Just wondering.

Cheers, Selene

You had me in stitches! :)

Hang around.

I think it will get even stranger.

[Tangri]

Heather, Joanie, Ben, Roubaix, and now it's Resource 12. Why all the name changes?
Seems a bit deceptive, don't you think?
What will be the next name?

Lugano

while the rest of Europe was plagued by revolutionary uprisings, the Swiss drew up a constitution which provided for a federal layout, much of it inspired by the American example. This constitution provided for a central authority while leaving the cantons the right to self-government on local issues. Giving credit to those who favoured the power of the cantons (the Sonderbund Kantone), the national assembly was divided between an upper house (the Swiss Council of States, 2 representatives per canton) and a lower house (the National Council of Switzerland, representatives elected from across the country). Referenda were made mandatory for any amendment of this constitution

[arctourist]

hey,then you're not leaving? good, i guess you just had to get the moderators' attention ,because there was a picture you decided could be called a threat,but you did threaten to leave,that was the only real threat...no,i don't believe i missed anything....hey,don't look at me,i didn't post any pictures-haha

[Ross]

hey,then you're not leaving? good, i guess you just had to get the moderators' attention ,because there was a picture you decided could be called a threat,but you did threaten to leave,that was the only real threat...no,i don't believe i missed anything....hey,don't look at me,i didn't post any pictures-haha

I saw the picture, I was reading the thread at the time. I made the decision to remove it. Nobody got my attention other than the pic itself.. in regards to its removal. I did however agree with some members view of it.

So, lets move on, please.

Ross

[lightblue]

arctourist;
hey,then you're not leaving? good, i guess you just had to get the moderators' attention ,because there was a picture you decided could be called a threat,but you did threaten to leave,that was the only real threat...no,i don't believe i missed anything....hey,don't look at me,i didn't post any pictures-haha

your assumption is a little too presumptious ..that's because you probably missed that i don't need your approval of anything really... i can't possibly need mods' attention either - that's because i self-moderate...my best wishes to you .:yu:. l

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[Tangri]

I have a question, this whole heather thing is new to my(well today it is).

Will you please give a short summary of the situation? I would appreciate it.

Bil got Charles, Kerry got Heather(Ben) for messing up.
They both supported their whistle blower as a real one

[EsmaEverheart]

Well I just want to say welcome back Gypsy Woman. I like your sense of humor. It makes me laugh. I am glad you are back.

[Carmody]

From Benjamin Fulford's website:

"Individuals claiming to represent the 12 Illuminati bloodlines have contacted the White Dragon Society last week in an effort to come up with a peaceful solution to the ongoing deadlock at the top of the global financial system. So did a representative of the ancient Gnostics -claiming his group was behind the French, Russian and American revolutions- who said no compromise can be reached until bloodline rule is ended. Meanwhile, several members of the Italian Black Nobility also came forth to say their plans to kill 4 billion people will not be stopped because “it is part of Biblical prophecy.” The claims by these and other groups during the past week make only one thing abundantly clear: there is chaos at the very top of the Western financial system. "

Curiouser and curiouser. :confused:

Now, what game is being played out on this forum? Ie, the only publicly open forum with a modicum of thought and restraint?

It makes one think.......

Go back and read what Bill already said about the Charles interview in the preamble and about rules of conduct, other er, concerns, etc.

I'm not saying anything by this, I just find the whole concept.....er...intriguing.

[Sidney]

I find most of this thread amusing, as most of you have no clue or even inclination of the scope of what is happening here. My advice would be to carry on, but work harder. I noticed the Cambridge bit, you either ignored the section on Clarification, and it's editor, please go back reread and try again.

It's true that we are not who you think we are and that you have no idea who we could possibly be.

I think most of what happened was covered by Kerry, she posted it herself on her forum. You have a lot of ground to cover, and you were all doing very well up until this speed bump. How can this be explained? Eliminate GW & Ben from this equation. Now look closer and try again, because your cold right now. Until we get the go ahead from Bill, we have to observe where you, the forum take this.

Roubaix

Hello Bill,
Could you please explain this? I'm sure there is a very good reason this thread was opened back up, and the statement above implies that you have full knowledge and approve of their "game".

Thank You, James

Hi, James - I'm afraid I can't. :)

I have absolutely no idea what she is, he is, or they are talking about. But it's extremely entertaining!

It is amusing that someone as in Mr. You Can Sue Me used someone else's Forum membership to enter the discussion the other day - it is amusing that "Heather" can enter the Forum via other ISPs even though she has been banned? Sounds like a security and integrity issue to me. If this were my Forum I would not find these kinds of antics to be amusing at all, with all respect Sir.

p.s. I see that I was incorrect in thinking Heather had been unsubscribed. My apologies to all......in any event I am concerned that the integrity of the Forum may be compromised by people such as Ben entering the discussion via others' membership, the effect is to create mistrust amongst members as to motives, identities, etc. now all compounded by the proposed entry of "12" Heather Black Crows.............

Bill, with all due respect........you think this is entertaining???? These people (machines), have taken full control of your forum, and are openly bragging about it, and you think it is entertaining. :bounce: :bounce: Your business is a very serious one. Your interviews, and articles, your lifelong chore of trying to right the wrongs in the world, is a very serious business. I take what you do very seriously, and the people who have followed PA and PC take it seriously. Having a guessing game on a daily basis, to figure out who is impersonating who, is not something I thought would ever happen to this forum, and in the last 6 weeks, that is what is has become. Todays little act from Heather, is the absolute icing on the cake. And the fact that you find it entertaining is a personal insult to me, and perhaps others who have come to respect and depend on you for transparency.
This is not entertainment, this is a sad day. You banned Barry King, for "defending himself" (imo) yet heather remains here to lie and deceive everyone here.:bs: I don't get it, and I am no longer going to try. I am going to unsubscribe, so that I am not a part of the three ring circus that IMO this has become. :jester: I'm sorry, but I had to speak up and say it the way I see it.
IMHO- You should be mad as hell. :mad2:

[Icecold]

Good call Ross.

This thread seems like a highly appropriate place to voice a few concerns, away from the hurly burly of the Heather thread......

It is very important for the members to realise that the desire to seek 'novelty'...that is 'new info'...or possible 'false teachings and control'...may be very dangerous for some of our fellow
Avalonians. It is dangerous because of the source, Heather's 12 'apostles'. They are confirmed agents of some elite power. This should be setting alarms ringing.

Please ignore the calls of those who say that you should listen to these 12. Suspect anyone who is in favour of their membership. We are a community. We were making great progress before Heather and her minions arrived. Do you want to give all that away. No community has been our match in this and that is why we are under threat.

I will quote myself here...its is very important....


The Enlightened experiment, probably this group's first attempt showed how members can be led astray.

The fact that Kerry is supporting this is highly suspicious.

So what made the group jump early instead of waiting till Monday?

It was probably the Atticus experiment. There is a sense of urgency now with this group.

The Atticus experiment is the first practical step in a process which is terrifying these bastards.

Are you going to give away your power to the techno monsters?

They want to turn you off. Take away your power just at the moment when you are awakening. Isn't this the old game of the elites? Isn't that the reason you chose to wake up??? They want to put you right back in the box.



Please help protect our work here and keep us safe. You can contribute by supporting our forum against both infiltration and ideas that may harm our members. Remember psych ops is a science. The elites don't waste money on ideas that don't work. It works and if you drop your guard it WILL AFFECT YOUR THINKING.


I'd like to mention a second point of concern, please bear with me.

By allowing this to continue, without sure knowledge of who, and why, Bill is also exposing his reputation and credibility, here. What happens when he asks the readers to "believe" his next find? I want every member to be aware of this. Bill needs your support. I want you to support your friend and send these scoundrels packing back to the hell that spawned them.





I love and care for all members with pure hearts.

Keep us safe.

Ice

[Ross]

Mod Hat Off.

Hi star,

In regards to Heather, the gig is up. Always was for those who knew the history.

As for the rest of your post, I agree. As a Mod (off duty at the moment) I do not find any of it entertaining.

Ross

[shybastid]

I have no clue what this thread was about. I want my 10 minutes back.

[Celine]

Security issue indeed.

[nearing]

Back to the thread's purpose....
What I don't understand is this:

GWoman wrote:


And I thought hmmm... that's a pretty darned good reply. She bashed Bashi without really bashing her... this gal is ok! I could learn a thing or two from her...

Why would someone underhandedly bashing another on a forum be something to admire or to emulate? My first thought when I read that was, "no wonder the whole Heather thing ended up being a debacle".

This particular forum is about respect and love and understanding for our fellow members (not about getting the best of them in some sneaky way).

At least that's what I signed up for.

[Belle]

Icecold,

Thank you so much. You said what really needed to be said at the right time with a pure heart. I will not read anything else into it.

You have validated my thoughts. I've been very concerned and considered pm'ing Bill. They smell bad...there's an energy they have that "smells". I don't know how else to describe it. But through personal experience with some of these people, though lower level, I can tell when they've been in my home by the energy left behind. Those postings have the same energy. There are other red flags...

I do believe your post will be my first bookmark...thank you, Richard.

[ThePythonicCow]

Security issue indeed.

Heather was not banned (unsubscribed) when posting. She was posting at various times from various IP addresses, and we (intentionally) disabled access from all but one of those IP addresses. She came in the one we knowingly left open. Our website security was not threatened.

There are other legitimate concerns, as others have described above better than I can. But website IP security is not an issue, from what I know.

If I get time tonight, I may have a few more details to post on the IP address access pattern of the one we call Heather.

[Ruby L.]

Gipsy Woman started a separate thread here for the purposes of addressing and airing out her hurt and grievances about personal attacks made on her in the Heather thread.

She's even offered to personally and directly answer any questions on her integrity in an attempt to clear up what she considers misunderstandings there. I see nothing wrong with that and, actually, think it's commendable.

After all, if I were being accused of-- and labeled-- a "black OP", or an agent for the negative forces, I'd be pretty PO'd about that, too, and would take every opportunity to clear my name and questions on it. Wouldn't you?

She's hurt, and that's understandable, and agree with or don't agree with how she's handling it- but the fact that Gypsy Woman's making space here, away from the Heather thread, to address and clear matters, in my opinion, speaks volumes about her.

And anyway, that this thread was started shouldn't be a surprise to us; Bill did say that Gipsy Woman would be back with a few words of her own on the situation, and even warned that she'd most likely be back brandishing a light sabre! That she chose a bow and an arrow… well, I thought that was pretty funny.


--------

Just before Gypsy Woman returns from her vacation - as she will sometime today, with her light saber in hand (and maybe more! :) ) - I want to say that she has been in touch with me backchannel, sent a very sincere apology (which I can readily post with her permission), and is getting mighty exercised at some of the nonsense and drama that has ensued on this thread since she started it.

All she wanted to do was to provide a venue for this elephant in the room to be discussed. And I thank her for that. Without her creating the platform, we'd not be wherever we are now with this intriguing tale.

......

My point is, choose to read and input to this thread's purpose, or choose not to read and not input to it-- but please, choose not to further fuel the situation with unnecessary snide and petty remarks. That's being unconstructive, and, in my further opinion, just being ugly.


*sigh* Maybe the PTB have really won in their attempts to hijack the power of grace, tolerance and reasoning that have always been, I think, the exemplary characteristics of Avalon…

[Kindling]

I find most of this thread amusing, as most of you have no clue or even inclination of the scope of what is happening here. My advice would be to carry on, but work harder. I noticed the Cambridge bit, you either ignored the section on Clarification, and it's editor, please go back reread and try again.

It's true that we are not who you think we are and that you have no idea who we could possibly be.

I think most of what happened was covered by Kerry, she posted it herself on her forum. You have a lot of ground to cover, and you were all doing very well up until this speed bump. How can this be explained? Eliminate GW & Ben from this equation. Now look closer and try again, because your cold right now. Until we get the go ahead from Bill, we have to observe where you, the forum take this.

Roubaix

Hello Bill,
Could you please explain this? I'm sure there is a very good reason this thread was opened back up, and the statement above implies that you have full knowledge and approve of their "game".

Thank You, James

Hi, James - I'm afraid I can't. :)

I have absolutely no idea what she is, he is, or they are talking about. But it's extremely entertaining!

It is amusing that someone as in Mr. You Can Sue Me used someone else's Forum membership to enter the discussion the other day - it is amusing that "Heather" can enter the Forum via other ISPs even though she has been banned? Sounds like a security and integrity issue to me. If this were my Forum I would not find these kinds of antics to be amusing at all, with all respect Sir.

p.s. I see that I was incorrect in thinking Heather had been unsubscribed. My apologies to all......in any event I am concerned that the integrity of the Forum may be compromised by people such as Ben entering the discussion via others' membership, the effect is to create mistrust amongst members as to motives, identities, etc. now all compounded by the proposed entry of "12" Heather Black Crows.............

Bill, with all due respect........you think this is entertaining???? These people (machines), have taken full control of your forum, and are openly bragging about it, and you think it is entertaining. :bounce: :bounce: Your business is a very serious one. Your interviews, and articles, your lifelong chore of trying to right the wrongs in the world, is a very serious business. I take what you do very seriously, and the people who have followed PA and PC take it seriously. Having a guessing game on a daily basis, to figure out who is impersonating who, is not something I thought would ever happen to this forum, and in the last 6 weeks, that is what is has become. Todays little act from Heather, is the absolute icing on the cake. And the fact that you find it entertaining is a personal insult to me, and perhaps others who have come to respect and depend on you for transparency.
This is not entertainment, this is a sad day. You banned Barry King, for "defending himself" (imo) yet heather remains here to lie and deceive everyone here.:bs: I don't get it, and I am no longer going to try. I am going to unsubscribe, so that I am not a part of the three ring circus that IMO this has become. :jester: I'm sorry, but I had to speak up and say it the way I see it.
IMHO- You should be mad as hell. :mad2:

I say lighten up! Geez! If others think they can do better, go for it. Bill is trying to balance managing a forum well while still allowing freedom of speech. I'm sure it's not easy. I don't want him or the mods to protect me and keep all the harmful info from me. I would prefer to see how it all plays out - very educational - and sometimes *entertaining*.

[Fructedor]

Welcome home Gypsy Woman.
Retreating behind a rock.
Dont know why I was always on the side of the Indians.
I also thought Tonto got a raw deal from the Lone Ranger.
before your time
Love Chris

You know the Lone Ranger shot Tonto the day he found out what Kemo Sabay really meant?

[Celine]

Ruby know why that wont work...??
Cuz ..Bill... GW...and all... will NEVER be fully honest about whats going on..

right ladies?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I do hope others who feel slighted get the same priviledges to air their dirty laundry, when the time comes.

[Anchor]

*sigh* Maybe the PTB have really won in their attempts to hijack the power of grace, tolerance and reasoning that have always been, I think, the exemplary characteristics of Avalon…

They have not, and nor will they. They can struggle, but I think we all know what the outcome will be.

[Richard]

C'mon Avalon, anyone can see this is a load a fictional bullsh*t, the Gypsy, the Apostles.. lol,
for gods sake people these are clowns without makeup, just allow the giggles to come or go read something
of greatter value, like the back of your favorite cereal box or, well anything else at all.


Bloody waste of database space if you ask me

[Celine]

Security issue indeed.

Heather was not banned (unsubscribed) when posting. She was posting at various times from various IP addresses, and we (intentionally) disabled access from all but one of those IP addresses. She came in the one we knowingly left open. Our website security was not threatened.

There are other legitimate concerns, as others have described above better than I can. But website IP security is not an issue, from what I know.

If I get time tonight, I may have a few more details to post on the IP address access pattern of the one we call Heather.

Using another person account to log in...i thought was an automatic ban (so to speak)...

but hey what ever ...the drama continues...


some rules apply for some...some rules never apply for others...

[perfectresonance]

If I get time tonight, I may have a few more details to post on the IP address access pattern of the one we call Heather.

Please, please, please.

I'm tracing through the ones I know about. If there are more they will be very valuable in what I am putting together.

[Carmody]

So.... let me understand the plot so far:

<snip>

How’s the story so far? Just wondering.

Cheers, Selene

You had me in stitches! :)

Hang around.

I think it will get even stranger.

I think you are right.

[Cottage Rose]

Good call Ross.

The fact that Kerry is supporting this is highly suspicious.

So what made the group jump early instead of waiting till Monday?

It was probably the Atticus experiment. There is a sense of urgency now with this group.

The Atticus experiment is the first practical step in a process which is terrifying these bastards.

Are you going to give away your power to the techno monsters?

They want to turn you off. Take away your power just at the moment when you are awakening. Isn't this the old game of the elites? Isn't that the reason you chose to wake up??? They want to put you right back in the box.

[Ice

Ice: I haven't found a place for this somewhat superfluous information having to do with Kerry's psychic friend, John Waterman:

Sometime in November, I was listening to an interview in which John Waterman was interpreting Clif High's tipping point info. This is vague because my jury is still out on both Webbot and Waterman.

I am sure I remember hearing Waterman interpret the Shape Report by predicting there would be an issue between two alternative media personalities. The issue would be in relation to free speech. One personality believing in no restraints at all on free speech and the other believing there should, at times, be some restraints.

Psychic Waterman predicted the issue would be decided in favor of the alternative media personality who came down on the side of some restraints. (At the time, I thought that to be a bad thing but I have since become ................ Enlightened!)

Sooooooo, perhaps the outcome of this Camelot vs. Avalon drama has allready been decided in this timeline and, surprise Camelot, Bill won.

Just wondering if anyone else happens to remember this?

[jorr lundstrom]

ever feel like you're being watched?

Naaaaaaa. Being a birdwatcher Im so used to watch, of course I realize I too been watched all the time.

Ever read a book called: "How to be a bad birdwatcher" by Simon Barnes? Really good one.

You know you dont have to know all those kinds of birds, but its really easy to distinguish many common birds.

For example a Robin, very easy. If you have seen one you cant miss them. Very, very easy.

And their song is very typical too


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBwhR1QZn7E

[perfectresonance]

Using another person account to log in...i thought was an automatic ban (so to speak)...

That is what I thought at first.

But unless we're told otherwise, the other account can also be one Ben set up some time ago.

I'd be interested to know the IP number that post came from.

Or, the other person copied and pasted the text and posted on Ben's behalf.

What I do agree on is that this is a monumental waste of time for everyone involved.

It would be helpful to know who is behind it so we know if this is something that deserves more time or can be ignored.

I'm working to create an answer to that question.

If one of the Mods can help me out with further IP information I may be able to get there faster.

[kinerkid]

Thank you Jorr! My cats both LOVED the robin video. Especially the singing. :ear:

[Lord Sidious]

.
i do not like the guns, battles, swords, personal threats etc being featured on our pages.. i am serously thinking of requesting an unsubcription without delay..it's how bad it's got here...thanks for your consideration dear mods and bill...:yu: l

.

.

I don't know you, nor do I know what the backstory is to this thread, but let me put something to you.
You obviously care enough to be here on this forum.
That being a given, we have lost too many valuable members recently.
Please don't be another.
Whether we like each other or not is irrelevant.
We all have something to contribute to the overall picture and it isn't good if we pick up stumps and leave.

I would say this to all of our members who are cheesed off for whatever reason.
If you have to, take a time out, don't just throw in the towel.

[Celine]

No i mean that bennj used Kikines account..and she gave him permission to...

this drama has been going on a long time...not just on the forum..but in chat as well..

it is becoming so incredibly redundant

¤=[Post Update]=¤


C'mon Avalon, anyone can see this is a load a fictional bullsh*t, the Gypsy, the Apostles.. lol,
for gods sake people these are clowns without makeup, just allow the giggles to come or go read something
of greatter value, like the back of your favorite cereal box or, well anything else at all.


Bloody waste of database space if you ask me

Well maybe something missing ...huh.


It is one thing to have discerning members...its another to let the kindergarten loose

[jorr lundstrom]

Thank you Jorr! My cats both LOVED the robin video. Especially the singing. :ear:

Yes, its a nice little melody, sung over and over again. And again. LOL

[Ruby L.]

Ruby know why that wont work...??
Cuz ..Bill... GW...and all... will NEVER be fully honest about whats going on..

right ladies?


Even though Bill may be keeping mum about certain aspects of "what is going on" (that's a bit vague, so please elaborate on what you think is going on), he probably has his reasons for doing it and, I think, it's his right to reveal them (or not) when and how he deems it fit.

The reason I'm on this forum is because, Bill being "the captain" of it, I have great respect for his intentions of helping unlock the the bigger picture, and choose to have faith in the way he decides to handle things. [ETA: And that's subject to change if ever I see and feel it is otherwise.] That may be naive, but that's my view it.

That said, I also have to add that I don't really understand what you're trying to say with your post above, Celine- it's vague. Especially with what it has anything to do with ladies, specifically.

For the sake of clarity and being open, please elaborate.

[Celine]

I mean that everything is not always as it seems...and if i elaborate ill get my ass banned...

so just realise that maybe this is(as they have all said) bigger then what this little mellow drama is all about...

and the "ladies comment" had NOTHING to do with gender.


i am tired of games..

and these players are playing with people i care about...a GREAT DEAL

[bluestflame]

an exercise in more than imagination

[Chuck]

Bill has to prepare for a flight and conference next week in Phoenix. I'm sure he's pulled every which way but loose right now.

[Carmody]

It's still a full moon people.

Let me paint a scenario, for your entertainment. If it leaves you, psychologically speaking in mundane human reality terms..... dangling over a precipice, that's OK. Hang in there for a second. It is just a thought, is all.

One (full moon) with a Venus in Capricorn, our love will be austere and cold...and Saturn, the black sun, the great limiter, will be hanging out the shingle of Justice, in Libra. The limits of Justice in conflict (square to) a cold and austere Love. We slip into the depths of the ocean of Psychic activity , Pisces. Poseidon. The shift in astrological signs.

The holographic timelines..... shift across scenarios and potentials.(Dolores Cannon)

The AI says what? Not viable, not viable, not viable.....

The rules of the 'Experiment', as 'advertised'....are one of where intent of the prior ruling 33 must be public, so decisions of and on consent -must be made. By the public. In public space, where apparently, all must be available for those who can figure it out. The truth must be available.

We apparently have one corner of that group on line, in public. Seeking consent, while playing cards close. Naturally so, as projecting intent in a deep complex situation is one where defeat can emerge.

Perhaps some other aspect of that group of 33 desires voice, as well. Time is quickening? Getting closer, it seems.... to some given but unknown point.

Call me crazy, call me as 'falling for some great complex game of a grand psy-op'.

But I do find this all very interesting.

Let them petition Bill.

Let him read what 'they' say.

[Franny]

Ruby know why that wont work...??
Cuz ..Bill... GW...and all... will NEVER be fully honest about whats going on..

right ladies?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I do hope others who feel slighted get the same priviledges to air their dirty laundry, when the time comes.

When I come across posts like this, not specifically this post, this poster or this thread, I wonder...why?

Why not take it back channel? OTOH, why even do that?

Is this the kind of world we want to keep living in? Let us learn to appreciate each others differences with acceptance, humor and kindness and change direction before situations get to this level.

Iʻve been on other forums as a member and as a lurker, this is by far the best run because of the ownerʻs underlying philosophy. The mods and most of the members are in alignment with it also. Letʻs keep it one of the best forums on the net by staying in alignment...please. :)

[Celine]

i am doing my part ....even if you (or others ) cant see it..

people who know me, know my heart.

my posts reflect my feelings.

[jorr lundstrom]

Hallo Gypsy Woman, welcome back to paradise (PA).

Really glad to see you again. I realize I have so much to learn

from you.

I have been on forums since 2004 and you have only been for a month,

and you already flies around like a swallow. I say, wot a talent.

Maybye something genetic, or wot do you think yourself?

Here is a video with a multitalented person I admire a lot too.

Please enjoy the performance.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHM4sO1KDiE&feature=related

[jorr lundstrom]

haha!
well! forums can be fun.....
so doesn't anyone know heather then? i guess we're on our own
nothing wrong with being suspicious...i suspect we're being watched-and laughed at!

Yes, I know at least someone is being watched and laughed at. LMAO

[Ruby L.]

I mean that everything is not always as it seems...and if i elaborate ill get my ass banned...

so just realise that maybe this is(as they have all said) bigger then what this little mellow drama is all about...

and the "ladies comment" had NOTHING to do with gender.


i am tired of games..

and these players are playing with people i care about...a GREAT DEAL

Thank you, Celine, and I can appreciate your feelings of alarm and concern for the integrity and wellbeing of your friends, as well as for what the situation may be about.

I'm just saying, this thread was started as an attempt to create a platform to get to the bottom of things (or as much as it can) with regards to Gipsy Woman's feelings in the Heather situation. So, everyone has the right to, and is invited to, air their thoughts and put their points across. But DO IT CONSTRUCTIVELY. Carrying on with snide remarks and personal attacks is not constructive, and just doesn't help the rest of us, members and non members, who are following this and trying to understand the situation better. It's simply becomes a thread of people slapping each other around because they're PO'd.

And I'm sorry you'd get banned if you were to tell the story as you saw it. I'd hope this place, in it's quest to encourage openness and it's search for truth, would be big enough to take a person's perspective on board without censoring it. Especially when from a member who's never shown reason to break this place apart, and in fact, has only ever encouraged people to speak from the heart. Still, I can understand where you're coming from, and I thank you for that, Celine.

Now, I'm off to the the silence thread. :p [ETA: Not to be confused with being silenced, mind you... simply just to experience some of it. ]

[Star Gazer]

I mean that everything is not always as it seems...and if i elaborate ill get my ass banned...

so just realise that maybe this is(as they have all said) bigger then what this little mellow drama is all about...

and the "ladies comment" had NOTHING to do with gender.


i am tired of games..

and these players are playing with people i care about...a GREAT DEAL

You shouldn't have to worry about being banned for speaking the truth.

[Carmody]

Speaking truth is never the issue. Stating one's case is never the issue.

Speaking without respect and speaking with undue emotion drives away the target audience, in most cases.

The moment you put heat in the 'retort', or too much ego without balance...the sooner you loose the target audience.

[Icecold]

Perfect.


If one of the Mods can help me out with further IP information I may be able to get there faster.

Traces can get deep enough to find the effective origin points. Further information. Names, addresses, registrations, owners, still
further mining can reveal all sorts of goodies. Can even intrude on the boxes themselves. I know you wouldn't do that...but can be done.

[Icecold]

Jorr.


Please enjoy the performance.

ROTFLMAO.

My favourite was the Macaw. :cool:

Forum First Commandment from Carmody....


The moment you put heat in the 'retort', or too much ego without balance...the sooner you loose the target audience.

[aikya]

From Benjamin Fulford's website:

"Individuals claiming to represent the 12 Illuminati bloodlines have contacted the White Dragon Society last week in an effort to come up with a peaceful solution to the ongoing deadlock at the top of the global financial system. So did a representative of the ancient Gnostics -claiming his group was behind the French, Russian and American revolutions- who said no compromise can be reached until bloodline rule is ended. Meanwhile, several members of the Italian Black Nobility also came forth to say their plans to kill 4 billion people will not be stopped because “it is part of Biblical prophecy.” The claims by these and other groups during the past week make only one thing abundantly clear: there is chaos at the very top of the Western financial system. "

Curiouser and curiouser. :confused:

Now, what game is being played out on this forum? Ie, the only publicly open forum with a modicum of thought and restraint?

It makes one think.......

Go back and read what Bill already said about the Charles interview in the preamble and about rules of conduct, other er, concerns, etc.

I'm not saying anything by this, I just find the whole concept.....er...intriguing.

Lol. The elite launch Operation Confusion against the discriminating minds of the alternative community!!

[Icecold]

Lol. The elite launch Operation Confusion against the discriminating minds of the alternative community!!

Not funny. The reason being some members feed the elite exactly what they want, while claiming to be in sync with the thoughts of the majority of forum members. This leaves the forum with an unlocked yet closed door which can be opened by members inviting the ghouls in. Sometimes good intentions lead to disaster.


****Discriminating minds is debatable in some cases.*****

[4th Sky]

C'mon Avalon, anyone can see this is a load a fictional bullsh*t, the Gypsy, the Apostles.. lol,
for gods sake people these are clowns without makeup, just allow the giggles to come or go read something
of greatter value, like the back of your favorite cereal box or, well anything else at all.


Bloody waste of database space if you ask me

Haha, thanks for being grounded. At least someone is.

My 2c:

The Heather "12" are a joke. Even thinking about them uses up braincells best used for more important things like what to eat tonight.

Gypsy Woman is a normal person with personality. Anyone who thinks she has a nefarious plan should keep reading the Heather saga for important clues, pre and post forum split.

Bill is busy doing stuff like planning a flight/conference across the ocean.

Kerry is dying to be a part of the fun. If she wasn't so snide we might even let her play!

I don't know what Charles is trying to accomplish at the moment but I know he's doing it slowly enough that people have begun reading threads in the general forum again and have given up on the 1000 question game. I won't even blame that on A.D.D.!

As for me, I'm just looking. But I think my optometrist may have prescribed me glasses without lenses and thought he was teaching me a deep esoteric lesson.

[aikya]

Lol. The elite launch Operation Confusion against the discriminating minds of the alternative community!!

Not funny. The reason being some members feed the elite exactly what they want, while claiming to be in sync with the thoughts of the majority of forum members.


****Discriminating minds is debatable in some cases.*****


Riddles and insinuating special knowledge seem be becoming flavour of the month around here....watch out, it's going viral!

[Ruby L.]

Oh, and so you know, Celine, if it ever got to that point, we'd be totally be there to protest your banned ass! Just saying. ;)

[arctourist]

haha!
well! forums can be fun.....
so doesn't anyone know heather then? i guess we're on our own
nothing wrong with being suspicious...i suspect we're being watched-and laughed at!

Yes, I know at least someone is being watched and laughed at. LMAO

haw-haw-haw
wot is that supposed to mean right?
well i meant,the whole thing is entertaining,if not educational-nothing against any of you-we oughta be able to laugh at ourselves
full moons are always fun with friends....
again,nice to 'be' here
can't wait for whatever's next!

[Icecold]

Lol. The elite launch Operation Confusion against the discriminating minds of the alternative community!!

Not funny. The reason being some members feed the elite exactly what they want, while claiming to be in sync with the thoughts of the majority of forum members.


****Discriminating minds is debatable in some cases.*****


Riddles and insinuating special knowledge seem be becoming flavour of the month around here....watch out, it's going viral!

Don't isolate yourself in another "Viper Nest" Thread. If you will recall, I tried very hard to make peace on that thread....and it was difficult but worth it. IMO.

[davyj0nes]

• A gypsy with big – uh – brass hops onboard. A ‘forum virgin’, she claims. But whew, gentlemen. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a virgin hang out a shingle and open for business like that.....

this one is so win. lol for real.:lol:

[jorr lundstrom]

Hi again Gypsy Woman. Ok, I love the title of this thread; Heater is gone,

well as there never was any Heater on the forum she could hardly go

or could she? Wot do you think?

And The Apostles are here.

I suppose you means those 12 that shall be the substitute for a nonexisting Heater.

Now, we dont really know how many those are. LOL

We just know what something in an other thread claimed.

But I suppose that you by here meant that they are in this thread, Or didnt you?

If they really are 12, do you think ther is a Judas among them?

And this Gypsy in Da house, well we say zigenare in Sweden,

mustalainenn in Finland and you say zigeuner in Germany.

Beatiful free people always wandering.

Adolf didnt really like them, but he didnt like genetic diversity as we know, or dont we?

Are you really a purebred gypsy?

And the guy in the photo is really one of my personnel love affairs.

Babaji the legend, wandering through the centuries.

First time I saw his name was of course in Yoganandas book " Autobiography of a yogi"

I even worked with one of his disciples for a period. Lovely guy too.

Do you like him too? Or did you put in his photo to make Chris happy?;) Just kidding.

I hope you where serious when you wrote anwering questions, or were you not?

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l564/Milena1958/babaji8.jpg[/QUOTE]

Thank you for this little chittchatt from this little chiffchaff. Love, light and carrots.

[aikya]

I've read more than one post by Bill, recently, saying that he and Kerry are still good friends, that they are working on some projects together and all is good. But so many people don't seem able to accept that and let the matter drop. Am I missing something?

[NoTingles]

Icecold,

Thank you so much. You said what really needed to be said at the right time with a pure heart. I will not read anything else into it.

You have validated my thoughts. I've been very concerned and considered pm'ing Bill. They smell bad...there's an energy they have that "smells". I don't know how else to describe it. But through personal experience with some of these people, though lower level, I can tell when they've been in my home by the energy left behind. Those postings have the same energy. There are other red flags...

I do believe your post will be my first bookmark...thank you, Richard.

I started reading the Heather is NOT here thread; bailed after post 216. Icecold, I have to hand it too you, those were some pretty good zingers, and her reactions were predictable. I looked at that stuff she posted, like everyone else did, and right out of the chute, to me it looked contrived. So thank you for confirming my suspicions- and Aztar as well. I still don't get what happened that ended up getting GypsyWoman banned. Maybe it's not any of my business. I took a look at the sequence of posts that were suggested by the link she posted at the beginning of this thread- my gut reaction? This Heather is one creepy person. My guess is that it's not just one person. It's several, who are using the same nic. That could be rather problematic if not caught in time. I could be wrong, and hope I am, I'm just voicing an intuition.
I think Icecold was right too, we are hungry for new information, and it probably gets acute when old information goes out of date. Enters, Heather with tantalizing tidbits to whet our appetites as if right on cue. But I'm not buying it.

[arctourist]

yeah but....well they said they had info...yeah,why would they care...too many questions...
maybe it's something really sinister and bad,some of you are thinking...well i hope you're wrong,don't you?

[jorr lundstrom]

well it looks like this thread ain't goin' anywhere for awhile...seems like there's too many threads...then again,maybe i could start my own thread and just try to get some activity generated that way...well i was anxious to hear from these people who were posting on heather's name...i would first ask,where's heather,would she know anything about these people? or is she even still on the planet,right?
i missed a lot the last month or so...i see charles is still in and out-well anyway! i hope the gypsy woman doesn't take too much crap-haha

Discussing this word "Heater" is like discussing absent friends who has never existed, or wot do you think? LOL

[Icecold]

yeah but....well they said they had info...yeah,why would they care...too many questions...
maybe it's something really sinister and bad,some of you are thinking...well i hope you're wrong,don't you?

LOL. Would you care to give us a little bio on yourself old chap? I'm sure it would be an interesting tale.

[NoTingles]

i am doing my part ....even if you (or others ) cant see it..

people who know me, know my heart.

my posts reflect my feelings.

That isn't how I see it. You more than likely don't give a rip about what I think, so let me ask you if sniping from the sidelines is really accomplishing anything? Anyone could say, if I don't like it, then I should leave. My question in reply would be, if you have an ax to grind with someone, why do in a way that looks like you're trying to sabotage the thread? There are many other threads. You have started some of them. How would you like it if I came into your thread, and instead of adding to the conversation, repeatedly made irritating remarks? You say you care very much about this community, but this is a strange way of showing it. A lot of the time you have things to say that are amazing- at least to me, and I'm sure many others will back me up. But this kind of post, and others I've seen this evening are not what I would call your best work. I would rather continue to see you doing your best.

[Intraphase]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_hI42UCoeo


Welcome Back:smokin:



Stand Back
No one looked...as I walked by (Player-44)
Just an invitation would have been just fine
Said no to him...again and again
First he took my heart...then he ran(Player-19)


No one knows how I feel (Player-44)
What I say unless you read between my lines
One man walked away from me (Player-08)
First he took my hand...take me home
(Carry a lost part of his spirit back to him)



Stand back...stand back
In the middle of my room
I did not hear from you
It's alright...it's alright (Player-25 Mercy)
To be standing in a line
(Standing in a line)
I would cry...


Do not turn away my friend
Like a willow I can bend
No man calls my name
No man came (Player-44)


So I walked on down away from you
Maybe your attention was more
Than you could do
One man did not call (Player-08)
He asked me for my love
And that was all (Player-25)

Stand back...stand back
In the middle of my room
I did not hear from you
It's alright...it's alright (Player-25)
To be standing in a line
(Standing in a line)
(Standing in a line)


So I walked on down the line
Away from you
Maybe your attention was more
Than I could do
One man...did not call (Player-08 Well of Love)
Well he asked me for my love
That was all (Player-25)

Enoch Key Translation
Player-08 The One - God
Player-19 Lord of Spirits
Player-25 Head of Days
Player-44 Lord of Ages
Player-105 Most High & Holy

Pop Music Translation:
The One - 08:bathbaby:
No One Inbound -19:cell:
The All -25:juggle:
The No One Stationary - 44:decision:
Sum One - 105:moil:

[Snowbird]

.
i do not like the guns, battles, swords, personal threats etc being featured on our pages.. i am serously thinking of requesting an unsubcription without delay..it's how bad it's got here...thanks for your consideration dear mods and bill...:yu: l


I agree completely, as does the Mod team. We are all busy with lives outside the forum. Since the membership growth we have had to bring on new mods to help keep up with the membership. The newer mods are still finding their feet. Not an easy job.

Please stay LB, you are part of this community. An old hand, wise and experienced.

Ok with that said....back on topic please.

Ross

Ross, what topic? I have yet to find one although I go from page to page looking....there is no topic. This is really dumb...that's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

[VajraYaya]

I will quote myself here...its is very important....


The Enlightened experiment, probably this group's first attempt showed how members can be led astray.

The fact that Kerry is supporting this is highly suspicious.

So what made the group jump early instead of waiting till Monday?

It was probably the Atticus experiment. There is a sense of urgency now with this group.

The Atticus experiment is the first practical step in a process which is terrifying these bastards.

Are you going to give away your power to the techno monsters?

They want to turn you off. Take away your power just at the moment when you are awakening. Isn't this the old game of the elites? Isn't that the reason you chose to wake up??? They want to put you right back in the box.



Please help protect our work here and keep us safe. You can contribute by supporting our forum against both infiltration and ideas that may harm our members. Remember psych ops is a science. The elites don't waste money on ideas that don't work. It works and if you drop your guard it WILL AFFECT YOUR THINKING.


I'd like to mention a second point of concern, please bear with me.

By allowing this to continue, without sure knowledge of who, and why, Bill is also exposing his reputation and credibility, here. What happens when he asks the readers to "believe" his next find? I want every member to be aware of this. Bill needs your support. I want you to support your friend and send these scoundrels packing back to the hell that spawned them.





I love and care for all members with pure hearts.

Keep us safe.

Ice

I agree. Kerry can invite them over to Camelot instead.

[Icecold]

Snowbird:

This thread was a sort of, "Hi I'm back" thread. You see them all the time, they are a common on forums. No topic as such.

What usually happens with threads like this one:

Member return from somewhere.

Member makes a greets statement.

Existing members jump on the thread and say 'welcome back'.

Da de da de da...and so on until the thread runs out of puff.

However, in this case, the thread was heralded by Bill, who suggested that GW had an explanation for another thread on the forum.

Curious members required some answers.

So it was a mix of "Welcome back GW" and "Explain yourself GW"

Either of these statements are on topic.

Considering that GW bailed out early. It left members with a thread with which to discuss not only the aftermath, but circumstances relating to the thread in the first place.

Whether its dumb or not is a moot point. That is. its subjective. But it is now on topic, because there is no topic.........:focus:

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VajraYaya:


I agree. Kerry can invite them over to Camelot instead. :becky:

[davyj0nes]

so many topics... :noidea::faint:

[Smith]

Camelot/Avalon has to remain a place where honest people can come and state their views/info in a straightforward, guileless manner. If we start clouding the forum with smoke and mirrors, then it will become just like anywhere else in the world.

Perhaps we need more stringent screening procedures...otherwise, what is the point of it all?

I'm glad Kerry is here. I maintain my original view, that her style is a perfect foil for Bill's.

Go Kerry...Go Bill!:cheer2:

My heart goes out to you, and your comment.
I would love the same thing.

However, this forum, our culture, in some ways, everything around us
is already "smoke and mirrors".

This is a part of this huge dilemma we're in, and a part of the huge
dilemma that the people who want to help us are in, as well.

Every where I turn, people are feeling something coming at us.
And this is regular folk, the people some call sheeple ( which btw,
is not a label I subscribe to.) "People" are more awake than many
realise, but we have huge blind spots. Places we just do not know
how to see, yet.

I feel lucky if I can be honest, straightforward and without guile,
to me this is the best I can hope for, because I know it is very easy
to deceive myself, much less be deceived by another self.

That sense of discerning what is true and not true really begins by
becoming discerning of my own internal deceptions and lies, first.
There just isn't any shortcut to integrity, and without it, we cannot
possibly hope to see reality clearly.

Greybeard may pop in here to talk about David Hawkins at this point,
since Hawkins speaks much about how we cannot tell the truth, until
we are in impeccable integrity to what is true in ourselves.

We're not in Kansas any more, and we've been down the Rabbit Hole
for a very long time now....


This is the best thing I have read hear in a long time. The great Delphic maxim " Know Thyself"

[aikya]

[

Don't isolate yourself in another "Viper Nest" Thread. If you will recall, I tried very hard to make peace on that thread....and it was difficult but worth it. IMO.

I wasn't aware there was peace to be made, just different points of view from my imo.

Anyway, there's no need for to you worry about me, Icecold. Thanks anyway, but that's my job. No take over bid required, lol.

[Beth]

When we have threads about "Are We Ready for Disclosure?," it's threads like these that remind me we aren't. Step back from the keyboard people, and pet your dog/cat, kiss your wife/husband/child.

By the many displays of the past month, if you think you are are far more evolved than anyone else, take some time with yourself.

I also saw a question somewhere on the forum that asked what Charles thought the Creators might say. And as Celine says, we are creators, so therefore ask yourself the question, there's no one else you should ask.

Let us love each other and learn something in the process. I'd say that's a hell of a first step.

[sepia]

----

Thank you Beth

I mean it! (The button wasn't enough for that.)

[Tangri]

When we have threads about "Are We Ready for Disclosure?," it's threads like these that remind me we aren't. Step back from the keyboard people, and pet your dog/cat, kiss your wife/husband/child.

By the many displays of the past month, if you think you are are far more evolved than anyone else, take some time with yourself.

I also saw a question somewhere on the forum that asked what Charles thought the Creators might say. And as Celine says, we are creators, so therefore ask yourself the question, there's no one else you should ask.

Let us love each other and learn something in the process. I'd say that's a hell of a first step.

Beth,

Isn't it late for Detroit even for Saturday?

"Many of us want to sleep as little as possible—or feel like we have to. There are so many things that seem more interesting or important than getting a few more hours of sleep. But just as exercise and nutrition are essential for optimal health and happiness, so is sleep. The quality of your sleep directly affects the quality of your waking life, including your mental sharpness, productivity, emotional balance, creativity, physical vitality, and even your weight. No other activity delivers so many benefits with so little effort"

[aikya]

when we have threads about "are we ready for disclosure?," it's threads like these that remind me we aren't. Step back from the keyboard people, and pet your dog/cat, kiss your wife/husband/child.

By the many displays of the past month, if you think you are are far more evolved than anyone else, take some time with yourself.

I also saw a question somewhere on the forum that asked what charles thought the creators might say. And as celine says, we are creators, so therefore ask yourself the question, there's no one else you should ask.

Let us love each other and learn something in the process. I'd say that's a hell of a first step.

thank you beth. :) :) :)

[Icecold]

Constantly dragging energy levels into the gutter, might seem democratic to some. I'm not going there.

I spent an hour in the surf today under a cloudless sky. The ocean is a magnificent source of free
energy.

For the next hour, I'm hooking myself up to a mind machine for a change of mind state.


Let's save the negative energy for the elites and their minions and not each other. :)

[write4change]

I went out today and got caught in a hail storm in LA! I came home wet and freezing. Changed clothes, made some hot tea, and got avalon thinking to continue to expand my awareness of the growing consciousness of the world.

I had a bunch of pms. Two from women who told me regretfully they were leaving this site. They both specified arguing and continual bad vibes they could not handle. Coming from a heavy duty political site, I take nothing too personal and have the skin of an alligator. I replied gently to them, hope they change their minds, and told them are they needed because one of the goodness of this site is gender wise it seems to be 60-40 in the male favor instead of the usual 70-30.

So I asked another thread what was going on and they said the Heather threads which I have never clicked on before. I have read the entire 7 pages of comments here.

It feels like I picked up a bag of notes that were being passed under the desks before kids got cell phones and Ipads in a middle school.

I can't believe this passes for conversation that does much explaining, clarlifying, or up lifting of anybody.

From the many of the women remarks, if this is to show how men will come to understand the Divine Feminine--it is epic fail.

On the political site, where I came from it is recognized that we need some just hang out conversation and get a load off. We have dialy pootie threads (cat stories and pictures to make you laugh) and weekly woozles stories (dog stories) and weekly WYFP---what's your f problem.

So I can see the need for creativity to devise a way to hang out. So far this does not seem to be working for us.

[Buchanan561]

I have attempted to remove my post as it did not show up the way I wrote it.

[Isostool]

Howdy,

This is not sinister and you can ask why we’re here, it’s to have our group provide assistance, and to help and challenge you, help train you for the onslaught to come. Mods and other people do have real handlers here, ask them if this is going to get worse or better?
By challenging you, you get stronger, this will help strengthen a group that cohesive now but Avalon is becoming a team, its own scientific governing group.




Some of you will have decisions, those decisions could shape the world. Every agency has people here, CIA, MI5 and so on, and they are active posting members, so to say we have infiltrated is stupid, you were infiltrated way back in PA.1 You don't interview the people, that Bill and Kerry have without drawing a crowd.

People are spending money to keep you safe, people that won't be around forever, we have to help change the game before that happens. We support Charles and everything he says. But if reports of his illness are correct then this is a small window of opportunity.

In our opinion the two biggest interviews are Dr Peterson, and Leo Zagami in regards to information that was shared to Bill and Kerry, not so much what was presented.





I see someone asked why here, this forum? Well it’s the only forum that’s got it right, end of. We explained we were not Heather, and that the information used was part of a test very astute, but nothing sinister or bad. Our group does not attack people; we don’t have any type of military presence.

The information used was part of a test. Um. that sits NQR with me. Not Quite Right. For a start, you insinuate that it was a test for us.... you did a really crap job personally (sorry, but you did). so how was it a test for US? It was more like a test for you, or rather to show you that your ... whatever.. really isn't/wasn't up to scratch. Most of what you said on this thread is insulting to our intelligence. How the **** was this a test for US? Give us something that looks properly baked and I might give you some points on that, but as it is, no way.

Iff* your 12 idea has actual backing, then it is something that I would support .. (Icecold: gets hot at my sit..., take a chill Ice, I can defend my stance). but they had better be bloody good at their jobs. If your idea has no backing, then I reckon you should go get some. It is a very good idea.

Iff it is something that can be placed on the table, then deal me a hand. I'd argue for its merits. It has many. It can be organised so that it is relatively unobtrusive and can do a LOT of good. And that's an understatement.

* Iff: if and only if; used to show that the predicate that follows it has the same truth value as the predicate that precedes it
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/iff

[Lily de Cuir]

Hello Kerry, how are you?

Hope you enjoy the Phoenix Conference with Bill...

Cheers,
Lily

Edit: Kerry is here, but probably on other pages....

[bashi]

Let's save the negative energy for the elites and their minions and not each other. :)

I think they will be grateful for you feeding them ;)

[Buchanan561]

Buffski
I cant look anymore!!
It's like watching a cat getting kicked.
I'm outta here.
Disgusting!
Run girl.


nearingWhy would someone underhandedly bashing another on a forum be something to admire or to emulate? My first thought when I read that was, "no wonder the whole Heather thing ended up being a debacle".

This particular forum is about respect and love and understanding for our fellow members (not about getting the best of them in some sneaky way).

At least that's what I signed up for. (you were not bashing, just used this as example buchanan)




It can be quite disturbing to someone like myself who have watched 'bashing of others on forums for years. It can be quite destructive. And it seems to be allowed on this forum by those who moniter threads. I wonder why.

I may get thrown off the forum for speaking up and if my words seem inappropriate. If it come to that, so be it. I cannot remain silent forever. I was led to believe that this sort of conduct would not be allowed on Avalon. It destroyed Avalon1. But it seems to be allowed on this forum for a select few.

I could not find anything inappropriate about Gyspy Womans posts after she started this thread. She was bombarded with posts asking her question after question and of which she tried to answer.

But....the criticisms started about her use of humor to quiten the noise so she could compose herself and think. Much less to tell her story. Then the sudden appearance of Atticus which may have caught her off guard.

So far I have not seen her being allowed to say much. Interference after Interference in her attempts to do so. The same negativity she had to watch in silence after she left the other thread. (not her choice to leave) Why the agenda to destroy her image. Again. This I would like to know.

Please..........let the attacks be over. Is it the purpose of this forum to destroy what you do not understand. I hope not. Emma /SIZE]

Thank you Buffski
Thank you icecold

[ThePythonicCow]

[HeatherJJAnderson] was posting at various times from various IP addresses, and we (intentionally) disabled access from all but one of those IP addresses. She came in the one we knowingly left open. Our website security was not threatened.

...

If I get time tonight, I may have a few more details to post on the IP address access pattern of the one we call Heather.

I was going to post actual webserver logs showing dates and IP addresses.

But since I would not normally publish the IP address of an ordinary member, I don't think I should do so here either.

Correcting and amplifying what I stated above, what the logs showed was HeatherJJAnderson using four IP addresses, from Florida, Great Britain, France and Germany. In each case it seemed more or less likely that the IP address in question was for a machine that could be used to remotely access the web, such as by web proxy, VPN circuit or remotely tunneled X11 server (which of these doesn't matter here.) The IP addresses were likely either spambot machines (some poor user's Windows PC being misused unbeknownst to them) or virtual private servers which can be rented easily enough.

At one point, recently, we closed access from two of these IP addresses, Florida and Germany, knowingly allowing continued access from the GB and France IP addresses. HeatherJJAnderson continued accessing, from these two remaining IP addresses.

For all we know, the person or persons using that account are not located at any of those four geographic locations.

P.S. -- One more detail. I saw one instance in the logs where the poster moved from the Great Britain IP address to the French IP address in less than one hour. That's quick!

[Buchanan561]

Please do not misunderstand where I am coming from. I see many wonderful and brilliant people on this forum. Great minds with wonderful gifts of the mind that they are learning to use again.

Gifts and talents they had from the beginnings of 'time?' when they wandered away from their spiritual abode in the heavens. Light beings who with their great Given talents created this grand universe we live in.

It is wrong those who say that we are advancing to become gods. We are gods who lost our abode in the heavens billions of years ago when we became facinated with our creations and lowered our energy enough to drop down and 'feel' what it was like to express ourselves int the 3D world we created.

And stayed too long and became frozen (weighted down heavy ) in this time space and over time forgot who we were. And now we are just learning who we are.

Many of you are much further on the journey back to your beginnings and can see and know what others cannot. We need to help those who need help. Many do not know how to listen to the voice within and hear what it has to say. It is the 'real you' and they know not that.

Many will come to this forum who are not in alignment with you. They are already here. They watch and they also can try and lead you astray.

If you recognize them and respond to them with negative energy then you are lowering yourself to their energy level. I pray, do not do that. Don't play into that trap.

I am so happy to be among so many brilliant minds, and so many people that have hearts that are pure gold.

Thank you for letting me share.
Keep up the wonderful posts that tell me....who you are,....and where you are.


WE ARE THE FALLEN ANGELS
Emma

[ace]

Remember psych ops is a science. The elites don't waste money on ideas that don't work. It works and if you drop your guard it WILL AFFECT YOUR THINKING.

Excellent point, one I would like to drill in to (with the desire to reveal the "secret")
Mind Control only works on those susceptibly to it.

One of the most important things to remember.
One of the greatest illusions ever bestowed upon the human race, "You are our thoughts".

Mind Control can only operate with this belief system installed (programmed) in to the individual.
For those of you who believe you are, in some way your thoughts, You are likely to be easily influenced by Mind Control.
For those who believe, you are not your thoughts. It is highly unlikely you will ever be subjected or effected by Mind Control.

I offer food, for meditation.

For those who would be interested in knowing more, I would be more than happy to elaborate.

Apologies to Gipsy Woman for the diversion of topic. You seem to have a unique ability to provoke what rely lies
beneath the spiritual cloak, people wrap them self in.

And then I remember
We are searching for the truth.

Regards

Ace

[Icecold]

Thanks Paul.


P.S. -- One more detail. I saw one instance in the logs where the poster moved from the Great Britain IP address to the French IP address in less than one hour. That's quick!


She/they are likely using proxy switching software. Often used by sockpuppets on forums for anonymity. There's a lot of it about and its simple to implement. She/they don't need a lot of IT skills, they just need a reliable proxy list.

[bashi]

Thanks Paul.


P.S. -- One more detail. I saw one instance in the logs where the poster moved from the Great Britain IP address to the French IP address in less than one hour. That's quick!


She/they are likely using proxy switching software. Often used by sockpuppets on forums for anonymity. There's a lot of it about and its simple to implement. She/they don't need a lot of IT skills, they just need a reliable proxy list.

Another possibility is:There are several people having the password and are sharing the tasks. I think that`s more likely, because Kerry also noticed that different characters were posting under Heather. For a multinational group this would be a cakewalk of a feat.

[Billy]

Good Morning from Scotland everyone.
I hope you dont mind me reposting a comment i left in the Q&A Thread when many people were not sure " Who is Who " and their intentions for being here in the Project Avalon Forum. Again please remember, When one feels threatened, there is ALWAYS a mirror reflection of self that we observe ,
We do not have to feel insucure or fear, Emotional NON attachment is a great lesson on the journey of the soul, we can feel the emotions but we do not have to be attached to others issues or baggage, If we do allow ourselves to be attached you may not be in control of your reactions, and end up being banned for a little while, just like Gypsy Woman and a few others who lost control of their emotional state in that moment.
Now Gypsy Woman who believes she has a "WILD HEART" has returned after being sent into coventry,
and some here are allowing themselves to be emotionaly attached to her return. I will now repost what i said in the Q&A thread. this was posted before " Enlightened" fruits were shown to be rotten.

QUOTE:
Tomorrow is now today, and I wish to thank everyone of you for allowing me to share this incredible journey with you ALL.

Please always remember that we are ALL one universal family, many of the universal families have been dysfunctional, and we can all be a reflection mirror of that dysfunction, if we allow it to be so. we are all very capable of overcoming all judgements, speculations, rumours, and insucurities.

When you are balanced within you own personal centre. then there is no need to trust or distrust , judge or forgive even if you agree or disagree with any other soul for their own personal choosing. please think on this when participating on this forum.

Whether Charles and now Enlightened are who they say they are or not, it does not affect your own personal Knowing centre within you. Be patient by their fruits you shall know them.
There has been, many many words expressed, but remember they are only words, and when the" walking the talk " begins that will be a day i look forward to. May i ask you all to take a few moments out, and set an intention for the well being of Bill and Charles at this time.

I leave you with a comment i left on the previous thread. page 157. post 3122.

I hope you dont mind me responding, Many " Women " do not understand the feminine energy. It is not really about whether you are a Male or Female, It is about the Divine Feminine Energy. which can be expressed from both male and female. But i do wonder if the" KEY " that Charles mentioned is the return of Wisdom Herself. The Woman who has been in the Wilderness and is returning or may have returned already.

Blessings and take care everyone. Much Love. Billy

[Redtailhawk]

I mean that everything is not always as it seems...and if i elaborate ill get my ass banned...

so just realise that maybe this is(as they have all said) bigger then what this little mellow drama is all about...

and the "ladies comment" had NOTHING to do with gender.


i am tired of games..

and these players are playing with people i care about...a GREAT DEAL

Hi Celine,

Your comment here causes some grave concern. I have been reading this thread trying to figure out what the hell it is about. Many of us are here seeking the truth and digging deeper down the rabbit hole. We are not here to play games. I am concerned that you do not feel safe enough to speak your truth out of fear of being banned! What kind of safe space is that for open minded exploration?

I am also concerned that there seems to be a lot of "secrets" behind the scenes that many Avalonians are oblivious to. Is Bill and others keeping important information from us which if we knew would lead us in a different direction and to draw different conclusions?

Now I'm feeling played.

I've found some of GW's comments hilarious, but that is coming from a place of not knowing more about her deeper intentions, if any.

Please help us understand what you are eluding to with out giving away any tidbits that will get your arse banned.

Thanks,
Maria

[goldmother]

Just a little thought....... a piece of advise I was given a few years back I find always helps

You cannot leave a situation until you have done so with love, for love is the most powerful energies of the universe. It is thousands of times stronger than anger, resentment or fear :tea:

[Celine]

To billyji

*celine stands up and claps *

HEAR HEAR!!!

Nice to read something constructive... thank you.

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Remember psych ops is a science. The elites don't waste money on ideas that don't work. It works and if you drop your guard it WILL AFFECT YOUR THINKING.

Excellent point, one I would like to drill in to (with the desire to reveal the "secret")
Mind Control only works on those susceptibly to it.

One of the most important things to remember.
One of the greatest illusions ever bestowed upon the human race, "You are our thoughts".

Mind Control can only operate with this belief system installed (programmed) in to the individual.
For those of you who believe you are, in some way your thoughts, You are likely to be easily influenced by Mind Control.
For those who believe, you are not your thoughts. It is highly unlikely you will ever be subjected or effected by Mind Control.

I offer food, for meditation.

For those who would be interested in knowing more, I would be more than happy to elaborate.

Apologies to Gipsy Woman for the diversion of topic. You seem to have a unique ability to provoke what rely lies
beneath the spiritual cloak, people wrap them self in.

And then I remember
We are searching for the truth.

Regards

Ace

Mind control works on all..to one degree or another...the few that escape it are rare indeed.

being aware of it..does not automaticaly give you protection from it.

but it does allow us to be players in this game rather then just pieces on a board.

[Celine]

I've read more than one post by Bill, recently, saying that he and Kerry are still good friends, that they are working on some projects together and all is good. But so many people don't seem able to accept that and let the matter drop. Am I missing something?

might be cuz there is more "feeding the fires" and bitching about the other , then showing there firendship.

Show me one post that shows they are friends? kerry comes in guns blazing all the time..

but i guess what happens behind all that is whats important..

have fun in LA Bill , say Hi to kerry for me.

[Celine]

Speaking truth is never the issue. Stating one's case is never the issue.

Speaking without respect and speaking with undue emotion drives away the target audience, in most cases.

The moment you put heat in the 'retort', or too much ego without balance...the sooner you loose the target audience.

Target audience??

I am NOT talking to an audience..

i am talking to hearts..

I am talking to housewives...taxi drivers..cashiers..waiters..bartenders...

WE ARE NOT A TEST GROUND

This is NOT a script.

[lightblue]

celine:
Mind control works on all..to one degree or another...the few that escape it are rare indeed.

being aware of it..does not automaticaly give you protection from it.

but it does allow us to be players in this game rather then just pieces on a board.

dear celine

do you base this on knowledge, or your personal belief? :unsure:
if on kniwledge, would youy please provide links to articles and other sources?

also: i am troubled by your mention of the game - what in fact did you have in mind?

thank you l

.

[MariaDine]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bst/lowres/bstn349l.jpg

Namasté

[DevilPigeon]

having spent the last 20 minutes reading from page 4 onwards (where i finished last night), i can only conclude that this thread is a total waste of time. what is it supposed to be achieving???

[Lettherebelight]

Hear, hear, Celine!

I don't like the idea of 12 individual members posting just to see how we react etc. either, but I don't see how we can avoid it either. Or can we?

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks for that MariaDine, love it...but before I go, I've just gotta say, that in spite of their best, and most sophisticated edeavours, TPTB will never succeed in making this community fall apart.

The good folk of Avalon are in charge here, and they will be the ones who decide what happens, with a little help from their well wishing friends.

Very best of luck in your travels, Bill, and I'm sure that's from all of us.:o

[slvrfx]

Hear, hear, Celine!

I don't like the idea of 12 individual members posting just to see how we react etc. either, but I don't see how we can avoid it either. Or can we?

I've been having the feeling there have been a bit more then 12 coming in with a particular agenda/s, from the time Bill made public the Charles interview.

I say, "So what!"

But what do I know, except to live in a real world, where many times it's better to have one's eyes half-closed.

That's not ignorance, it's giving them permission, because you know it's all a game you've already won.

[Celine]

Speaking truth is never the issue. Stating one's case is never the issue.

Speaking without respect and speaking with undue emotion drives away the target audience, in most cases.

The moment you put heat in the 'retort', or too much ego without balance...the sooner you loose the target audience.

Target audience??

I am NOT talking to an audience..

i am talking to hearts..

I am talking to housewives...taxi drivers..cashiers..waiters..bartenders...

WE ARE NOT A TEST GROUND

This is NOT a script.


celine:
Mind control works on all..to one degree or another...the few that escape it are rare indeed.

being aware of it..does not automaticaly give you protection from it.

but it does allow us to be players in this game rather then just pieces on a board.

dear celine

do you base this on knowledge, or your personal belief? :unsure:
if on kniwledge, would youy please provide links to articles and other sources?

also: i am troubled by your mention of the game - what in fact did you have in mind?

thank you l

.

You are correct I have no links..these are my observations, not my beliefs.

But please remember... who "we are".

[Lucc30]

Yes, this IS entertaining. I woke up this morning giggling with anticipation to get on this tread and see the latest developement. Not at all disappointed. Rofl

To the Heathers: dont know your intentions yet, but this is far better than any soap opera I've ever watched (only one though - Dynasty in the eighties). Please see the cult film 'Heathers' to get my gist (also reffered to by Modwiz):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097493/

http://www.killerfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/heathers.jpg

[ace]

, because you know it's all a game you've already won.

Wise words
Ace

[slvrfx]

Speaking truth is never the issue. Stating one's case is never the issue.

Speaking without respect and speaking with undue emotion drives away the target audience, in most cases.

The moment you put heat in the 'retort', or too much ego without balance...the sooner you loose the target audience.

I agree. We're losing good members for this very reason.

Good people are coming here to learn, and they're finding highly opinionated members with demeaning attitudes.

I've gone so far in my analyzing of this problem, that I've contemplated how maybe some of these people are themselves, willing (or unaware) pawns in this 'non-game'.....'non-test'.

Please prove me wrong, as I'd much rather prefer to shake myself of this suspicion.

[bashi]

When you are balanced within you own personal centre. then there is no need to trust or distrust , judge or forgive even if you agree or disagree with any other soul for their own personal choosing. please think on this when participating on this forum.



nicely said

[Buchanan561]

To say that they will be here Monday seems to me an obvious misdirection tactic. Who is to say they are not already here and have been for quite some time even before Charles. Perhaps before Charles contacted Bill.

So to sit back and anticipate '12' coming Monday could be quite misleading if they are already here and have been for quite some time. I have not been back on the forum long enough to be able to detect as I don't know the 'old blood' from the 'new blood' so I don't know who is different than should be.

One just has to be cautious as to whom to attack and/or accuse because that kind of action seems to be just playing into their hands.

What is it they are trying to do?... Cause outrageous conduct from you/us? Will their messages if not caught cause great damage to the forum? To the members personally?

Or just prove they are more psychic and educated than any of us are? Damage our egos? What can they do except divide and conquer? Can someone explain to me what other damage they can actually do to us.

Or, will we all be doomed to starve and be destroyed if we do not detect them and with the right answers to their games. I am lost to understand. Thanks Emma

[bilko]

Good Morning from Scotland everyone.
I hope you dont mind me reposting a comment i left in the Q&A Thread when many people were not sure " Who is Who " and their intentions for being here in the Project Avalon Forum. Again please remember, When one feels threatened, there is ALWAYS a mirror reflection of self that we observe ,
We do not have to feel insucure or fear, Emotional NON attachment is a great lesson on the journey of the soul, we can feel the emotions but we do not have to be attached to others issues or baggage, If we do allow ourselves to be attached you may not be in control of your reactions, and end up being banned for a little while, just like Gypsy Woman and a few others who lost control of their emotional state in that moment.
Now Gypsy Woman who believes she has a "WILD HEART" has returned after being sent into coventry,
and some here are allowing themselves to be emotionaly attached to her return. I will now repost what i said in the Q&A thread. this was posted before " Enlightened" fruits were shown to be rotten.

QUOTE:
Tomorrow is now today, and I wish to thank everyone of you for allowing me to share this incredible journey with you ALL.

Please always remember that we are ALL one universal family, many of the universal families have been dysfunctional, and we can all be a reflection mirror of that dysfunction, if we allow it to be so. we are all very capable of overcoming all judgements, speculations, rumours, and insucurities.

When you are balanced within you own personal centre. then there is no need to trust or distrust , judge or forgive even if you agree or disagree with any other soul for their own personal choosing. please think on this when participating on this forum.

Whether Charles and now Enlightened are who they say they are or not, it does not affect your own personal Knowing centre within you. Be patient by their fruits you shall know them.
There has been, many many words expressed, but remember they are only words, and when the" walking the talk " begins that will be a day i look forward to. May i ask you all to take a few moments out, and set an intention for the well being of Bill and Charles at this time.

I leave you with a comment i left on the previous thread. page 157. post 3122.

I hope you dont mind me responding, Many " Women " do not understand the feminine energy. It is not really about whether you are a Male or Female, It is about the Divine Feminine Energy. which can be expressed from both male and female. But i do wonder if the" KEY " that Charles mentioned is the return of Wisdom Herself. The Woman who has been in the Wilderness and is returning or may have returned already.

Blessings and take care everyone. Much Love. Billy

Great post Billy:)
Slightly off topic but 100% linked to your post, an excellent explanation of the female energy by Credo Mutwa. 2 mins 20 long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E1RNa3apz8

[Charlie Pecos]

*deep breath and exhale*
*feel peace and gratitude flowing through me*

PEACE, LOVE, FORGIVENESS, RESPECT, GRATITUDE, HONOR, UNITY, HEART

*Should I post this?*
*Will it benefit the community?*
*Will it divide?*
*what I wish to say comes from my heart, not my head*

I LOVE YOU AVALON, LET US BE ONE.

[jorr lundstrom]

Weeeeeeeee Lazy little lady losing love lamenting

Where are you Gypsy Woman? Q/A

Well lets sit back enjoying a little nice song while waiting LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXn4njgCg-k

[lake]

Afternoon all,

8 pages of I don't know what and I don't know why?

We are all one..............not in this thread we aren't

This is a shame, i'm off to learn new things on interesting threads, try to be nice to each other, its more fun.

[granny]

I've just realised I have put you on the spot , apologies .

Atticus
Atticus ....
Just wondering if you read the description of you avatar enlarged? Were you aware of its contents and ... golly gee ... if so could you explain what staring at it could mean?
Sincerely ... am just curious if you are aware? No disrespect intended.
Love and Kitties
Granny

[777]

This is officially the last time I waste my energy on threads like this. It demeans and cheapens the superb content across most of our forums here on PA. I'd like to thank the legions of astute users on Avalon who "vet" the intentions behind each and every avatar.......you know who you are.

I'm off to talk my children and the trees. Their energies are pure, their intentions are transparent and they have no time for melodramatic self indulgence.

[lightblue]

celine:
Mind control works on all..to one degree or another...the few that escape it are rare indeed.
being aware of it..does not automaticaly give you protection from it.

but it does allow us to be players in this game rather then just pieces on a board.


lightblue:
dear celine

do you base this on knowledge, or your personal belief?
if on kniwledge, would youy please provide links to articles and other sources?

also: i am troubled by your mention of the game - what in fact did you have in mind?

thank you l


celine:
celine : You are correct I have no links..these are my observations, not my beliefs.

But please remember... who "we are".


sorry, but then why not say: “based on the instances i observed” etc, rather than “mind control works on all…” I say this because you can’t have possibly observed on it ALL, could you? … having used “ALL” instead of “some instances” your sentence did read like a piece of personal belief or knowledge..…but thanks for your clarification…i now know that you must be limiting your observation to a few only…

celine:
.But please remember... who "we are".

and thanks, but no reminders are needed – i do have a fair idea of who am - i believe most people here do…

I am I - not “we”.. :thank_you2: l

.

[Celine]

Sorry but that i dont "mind the construct of my sentences" enough for your liking...


and whei said we...i didnt mean you.


So this is the puppet show people want to watch...

Is this ENTERTAINING enough for all you watching?

Gotta tell you im getting tired of the same old plots...

Why doesnt someone change the channel?

[Celine]

Speaking truth is never the issue. Stating one's case is never the issue.

Speaking without respect and speaking with undue emotion drives away the target audience, in most cases.

The moment you put heat in the 'retort', or too much ego without balance...the sooner you loose the target audience.

Target audience??

I am NOT talking to an audience..

i am talking to hearts..

I am talking to housewives...taxi drivers..cashiers..waiters..bartenders...

WE ARE NOT A TEST GROUND

This is NOT a script.


celine:
Mind control works on all..to one degree or another...the few that escape it are rare indeed.

being aware of it..does not automaticaly give you protection from it.

but it does allow us to be players in this game rather then just pieces on a board.

dear celine

do you base this on knowledge, or your personal belief? :unsure:
if on kniwledge, would youy please provide links to articles and other sources?

also: i am troubled by your mention of the game - what in fact did you have in mind?

thank you l

.


Afternoon all,

8 pages of I don't know what and I don't know why?

We are all one..............not in this thread we aren't

This is a shame, i'm off to learn new things on interesting threads, try to be nice to each other, its more fun.

IMHO <--(for you light blue)

We are not One...we are ALL..

And sometimes..we disagree...and disagree passionetly...but yes..it must be a constructive disagreement for it to be worth our time.

[lightblue]

celine
Sorry but that i dont "mind the construct of my sentences" enough for your liking...

please don't take it to heart dear celine - it's not about the construct but about the meaning - however, thankfully all is good and clear now and of course it would be nice to swithch channels, from entertaining to useful ...:agree: l
.


.

[ace]

celine:
Mind control works on all..to one degree or another...the few that escape it are rare indeed.
being aware of it..does not automaticaly give you protection from it.

but it does allow us to be players in this game rather then just pieces on a board.


lightblue:
dear celine

do you base this on knowledge, or your personal belief?
if on kniwledge, would youy please provide links to articles and other sources?

also: i am troubled by your mention of the game - what in fact did you have in mind?

thank you l


celine:
celine : You are correct I have no links..these are my observations, not my beliefs.

But please remember... who "we are".


sorry, but then why not say: “based on the instances i observed” etc, rather than “mind control works on all…” I say this because you can’t have possibly observed on it ALL, could you? … having used “ALL” instead of “some instances” your sentence did read like a piece of personal belief or knowledge..…but thanks for your clarification…i now know that you must be limiting your observation to a few only…

celine:
.But please remember... who "we are".

and thanks, but no reminders are needed – i do have a fair idea of who am - i believe most people here do…

I am I - not “we”.. :thank_you2: l

.

No chance of Mind Control here, a Lightblue.

Well constructed post.

Ace

[Celine]

forgive me...sometimes my emotions cloud my intentions...

[OmeyocaN777]

To say that they will be here Monday seems to me an obvious misdirection tactic. Who is to say they are not already here and have been for quite some time even before Charles. Perhaps before Charles contacted Bill.

So to sit back and anticipate '12' coming Monday could be quite misleading if they are already here and have been for quite some time. I have not been back on the forum long enough to be able to detect as I don't know the 'old blood' from the 'new blood' so I don't know who is different than should be.

One just has to be cautious as to whom to attack and/or accuse because that kind of action seems to be just playing into their hands.

What is it they are trying to do?... Cause outrageous conduct from you/us? Will their messages if not caught cause great damage to the forum? To the members personally?

Or just prove they are more psychic and educated than any of us are? Damage our egos? What can they do except divide and conquer? Can someone explain to me what other damage they can actually do to us.

Or, will we all be doomed to starve and be destroyed if we do not detect them and with the right answers to their games. I am lost to understand. Thanks Emma

I believe, if we want to get out of this tunnel(3d) we must succeed this all together(One)
Battery needs 2-pole to work
Stop fighting each-other, start helping each-other
Gnosis - Understaning - Love - Unity - Harmony(5d)

[Lord Sidious]

Could I point somethings out to you guys?
Again, I don't know the backstory here and I don't really care.
But while you guys are arguing over crap, there are people protesting out there in the real world and being killed for it.
We may not have much time left until we are caught up in events outside our control.
Are we REALLY willing to waste this time on stupid crap that we should have grown out of in high school?
How about this?
Why don't we ALL live up to the ethos of what Bill and Kerry started and agree to forgive all involved, move on and try to contribute solutions to what is going on?
For me, I don't have that much I can do, other than post ideas, but I am willing to do what I can to help us all escape slavery.
I don't wanna get involved in pissing contests, cause even if I win, I got pissed on.
Sorry for being crude, but that is the only way I can get the idea out to you how I feel about all this to and fro.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9f-fzGyB0Y

[Celine]

thank you for your loving crudness

[Lord Sidious]

thank you for your loving crudness

What can I say? The army ruined me for life.

[ace]

It has to be in one.
to know it.

[Scout]

Why don't we ALL live up to the ethos of what Bill and Kerry started and agree to forgive all involved, move on and try to contribute solutions to what is going on?
For me, I don't have that much I can do, other than post ideas, but I am willing to do what I can to help us all escape slavery.
I don't wanna get involved in pissing contests, cause even if I win, I got pissed on.


I second this - and the army didn't ruin you, that was well said, my friend :thumb:

[bashi]

High GW,
i remember you saying that some one from the Isle of Man was offering you a contract out of the blue.
Did you sign up for it, and if so can you say what it is about?

[jorr lundstrom]

High GW,
i remember you saying that some one from the Isle of Man was offering you a contract out of the blue.
Did you sign up for it, and if so can you say what it is about?

How interesting bashi. I have a very good friend on the Isle of Man.

Hes got a wholesale in Ken& Barbiedolls.

Syncronicity?:bounce:

[Lucc30]

Oh dear - I really do hope that the uncivilness of unkindful remarks are a temporary impact of the 'post full moon mood'. Here is something to hopefully cheer us all up (to the Heathers as well):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ-3rikUQ34

"Great, it's Heather" "Oh s**t!"

[Revere]

Thinking out loud....Yes that can be dangerous.

Does anyone know if there are similarities between what the heather 12 are doing and the recent wiki leak attacks that surfaced. If these Heathers are using Bots, are we at risk of denial of service attacks from them? How many locations did they work from only 4 right? If we have some good forensic people let's keep that on the QT. Can members of our community be hijacked by this group and can it come back to give Avalon a black eye? My impression is that they are a group of Hackers having a laugh and doing what they do.

But, if they have been messing with PC & PA long as Kerry seems to think they have been. We may very well have more than a couple of hackers. But, their Mojo was not all that strong for this group so, that may leave out Government resources. Unless they wanted to seem amateurish to get inside. Jeez just doing mental gymnastics....bye.
Peace,
-R-

[Richard]

The 2 threads on this topic are now merged and placed in the "what does it mean?" forum as
placing it in "off topic - the Lighter Side" would remove it from public view which is not necessary here, yet

Keep it light and cordial and try not to take this too seriously please

[Tommy]

Ok, if this did not smell like a pretty large scale and tireless OP before, then it is starting to smell rotten by now. I cannot believe the massive total amount of dis-info threads and deliberately confusing topics of indulgence on this forum.

And now almost no-one of the long time posters can be seen (with a few exceptions). And to top things of this is now (attempted) to be moved more out of public scrutiny by placing it in a registered only section.. Jezz

Well, I hope this rug will be cleaned soon, and I seriously which everyone good luck and god-speed with that.

Take care,

Tommy

EDIT: I see it is moved now, nice :) Page had been loaded for a while...

[Lucc30]

The 2 threads on this topic are now merged and placed in the "what does it mean?" forum as
placing it in "off topic - the Lighter Side" would remove it from public view which is not necessary here, yet

Keep it light and cordial and try not to take this too seriously please

Arhhh - you just ruined my chronological progression trough these treads!! :nod:

[Richard]

Arhhh - you just ruined my chronological progression trough these treads!! :nod:

All the posts in this combined thread are in chronological order :)

[Charlie Pecos]

We are all,
We are one,
We are unity.

There is no divide, if we choose it.

Respectfully,

James

[granny]

[HeatherJJAnderson] was posting at various times from various IP addresses, and we (intentionally) disabled access from all but one of those IP addresses. She came in the one we knowingly left open. Our website security was not threatened.

...

If I get time tonight, I may have a few more details to post on the IP address access pattern of the one we call Heather.

I was going to post actual webserver logs showing dates and IP addresses.

But since I would not normally publish the IP address of an ordinary member, I don't think I should do so here either.

Correcting and amplifying what I stated above, what the logs showed was HeatherJJAnderson using four IP addresses, from Florida, Great Britain, France and Germany. In each case it seemed more or less likely that the IP address in question was for a machine that could be used to remotely access the web, such as by web proxy, VPN circuit or remotely tunneled X11 server (which of these doesn't matter here.) The IP addresses were likely either spambot machines (some poor user's Windows PC being misused unbeknownst to them) or virtual private servers which can be rented easily enough.

At one point, recently, we closed access from two of these IP addresses, Florida and Germany, knowingly allowing continued access from the GB and France IP addresses. HeatherJJAnderson continued accessing, from these two remaining IP addresses.

For all we know, the person or persons using that account are not located at any of those four geographic locations.

P.S. -- One more detail. I saw one instance in the logs where the poster moved from the Great Britain IP address to the French IP address in less than one hour. That's quick!
Howdy Cow ...
May I ask a question ... were the Heather threads suddenly combined? I was reading in the new one where GW was going to be welcomed back ... then at some point when I clicked the arrow to go to the next Page 1 was on page 1 of a thread called "Heather,etc" ... just wondering ... cause if I am not totally mistaken ... would that not allow the threads to be jumbled a bit since they run on a timeline?
Sorry if this is a dumb newbie question ... Granny

[Isostool]

OMG. I can't beleieve these threads have been merged. One thread was brain numbingly crap and the other not half bad reading. The Heather thread, as a read, was actually very good. Now, it's all just out of context and filled with the junk of the other thread. CRAP!! RICHARD!! Waiter, there's a fly in my soup!!

The threads should have been kept separate. There were more than a few posts in the second thread that stated that "what is this thread about it is a waste of time", that were not meant IN CONTEXT to be about the 'heather' thread. Now people reading it will take it as they meant it for a thread THEY WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT.

I know Richard posted a comment in the heather thread that he deemed it about level as to the back of a cornflakes packet or something like that, but there were plenty of posters really enjoying its creativity and flow. Now it has been combined, unnecessarily so, with a thread which had little direction, and was being kept separate for a pretty good reason - they were on TWO DIFFERENT subjects. It would have been of greater clarity to have KEPT them separate. Seriously. Waiter. This soups not just got a fly in it, there's also a pube.

[Kimberley]

When you are balanced within you own personal centre. then there is no need to trust or distrust , judge or forgive even if you agree or disagree with any other soul for their own personal choosing. please think on this when participating on this forum.



nicely said

I decided to echo this once again..... If there is a "key" this is it!!!
Much Love to us ALL!!!

[SteveX]

OMG. I can't beleieve these threads have been merged. One thread was brain numbingly crap and the other not half bad reading. The Heather thread, as a read, was actually very good. Now, it's all just out of context and filled with the junk of the other thread. CRAP!! RICHARD!! Waiter, there's a fly in my soup!!

I can't believe they are

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent075.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Mate, you ain't missing much.

[Revere]

The Heather is Hear Thread was Good.... this other bickering blah blah.....Jeez just wasted two hours getting to the end of it. Like merging Apples and hand grenades!



Peace,
-R-

[Isostool]

[I go back into the Kitchen]

I don't know what you guys are doing back here to be getting pubes in the soup [put some pants on, for Christ's sake]..... but anyway, back to the flavour of the orig heather thread.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=4679&d=1297851210

[K626]

These kinds of threads remind me of the ramblings of Bill Deagle ie in every direction but the most important one. :couch2:

Peace

K

[K626]

[I go back into the Kitchen]

I don't know what you guys are doing back here to be getting pubes in the soup [put some pants on, for Christ's sake]..... but anyway, back to the flavour of the orig heather thread.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=4679&d=1297851210

In the end it turned out the supersoldiers were all vulernable to the common cold with a prediliction for nintendo. :laser: :luv:

[SteveX]

I was reading the first two pages of GW thread as it got merged. Can't be bothered to read it now. However, just to stir the pot for those intent on flogging dead horses I've gone off and found a snippet of information from PA1....

Originally Posted by Marco post in completely the wrong place
Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia
Joanie Anders contacted me around 10pm to tell me she was fine, she is in France and yeah I'm happy she is fine, but very ****** off with how she did this ****. tell whoever need to know, I'm ****ing done here.
Heather is alive and well, and I get the feeling the b***h is laughing at us all!
Marcus Sparacio is a friend of Heather and ben Kinsuemei2. The above was his last post with regards to this affair. It was posted in the wrong place and Anchor, a mod at the time, dumped it in the wrong place in this thread

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20012

Anchor should have put it at the very end of this closed thread instead of adding it to the opening post.

I guess what I'm writing here isn't going to make much sense. You had to be there ...at the time...a little over a year ago, but the telling line from the above snippet is

Heather is alive and well, and I get the feeling the b***h is laughing at us all!

I guess if they keep

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent083.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

a forum may take some notice

[K626]

I was reading the first two pages of GW thread as it got merged. Can't be bothered to read it now. However, just to stir the pot for those intent on flogging dead horses I've gone off and found a snippet of information from PA1....

Originally Posted by Marco post in completely the wrong place
Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia
Joanie Anders contacted me around 10pm to tell me she was fine, she is in France and yeah I'm happy she is fine, but very ****** off with how she did this ****. tell whoever need to know, I'm ****ing done here.
Heather is alive and well, and I get the feeling the b***h is laughing at us all!
Marcus Sparacio is a friend of Heather and ben Kinsuemei2. The above was his last post with regards to this affair. It was posted in the wrong place and Anchor, a mod at the time, dumped it in the wrong place in this thread

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20012

Anchor should have put it at the very end of this closed thread instead of adding it to the opening post.

I guess what I'm writing here isn't going to make much sense. You had to be there ...at the time...a little over a year ago, but the telling line from the above snippet is

Heather is alive and well, and I get the feeling the b***h is laughing at us all!

I guess if they keep

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent083.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

a forum may take some notice

Gotcha, it's all coming back to me now. Bill was right all along but he does sometimes get taken in by 'entertainment value' as he admits himself. :peace:

Love

K

[Isostool]

Thanks Paul.


P.S. -- One more detail. I saw one instance in the logs where the poster moved from the Great Britain IP address to the French IP address in less than one hour. That's quick!


She/they are likely using proxy switching software. Often used by sockpuppets on forums for anonymity. There's a lot of it about and its simple to implement. She/they don't need a lot of IT skills, they just need a reliable proxy list.

Another possibility is:There are several people having the password and are sharing the tasks. I think that`s more likely, because Kerry also noticed that different characters were posting under Heather. For a multinational group this would be a cakewalk of a feat.


Yes, but I noticed the same lack of punctuation that was quite idiosyncratic in both the earlier posts and the latter ones, after they admitted to not actually being "Heather" but could pretend to be, because they had access to her biographical information, as stated.

The lack of pause insertion, for eg. between test and very. There should be a semi colon, if I am not mistaken:


We explained we were not Heather, and that the information used was part of a test very astute, but nothing sinister or bad.

This same pattern is repeated throughout the posts, as an individual idiosyncrasy, but how many have been corrected afterwards, I do not know. This observation supports the supposition that "Heather" is working alone at present. At the keyboard at least. but that doesn't mean she isn't part of a larger team , just that the posts are coming from one source. A person can post with different emotional signatures if they have a disjointed personality spectrum. ....or they can just be perceived that way even if they do not have one, if conversely the observer has one, instead.

I'm not stating this is Kerry's situation as an observer, I am definitely seeing a disjointed personality spectrum from the heather author, I'm just stating it for reference as to perceptual dynamics. To be perceived this way, it also may not be that someone has a disjoined personality spectrum but is a very good mimic, instead. I don't particularly get that with "Heather" though. Being able to mimic a scientist, if you're not one - [I]is pretty ****ing nigh impossible.
Even if you're just 'out of your field'......

[SteveX]

[I go back into the Kitchen]

I don't know what you guys are doing back here to be getting pubes in the soup [put some pants on, for Christ's sake]..... but anyway, back to the flavour of the orig heather thread.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=4679&d=1297851210


In the end it turned out the supersoldiers were all vulernable to the common cold with a prediliction for nintendo. :laser: :luv:

Hey man, that was very funny when you put it into context with Heather, Kinsue and Marcus. Was that deliberate or a subconscious memory reflex?

[Celine]

Aint clarity grand?

[SteveX]

Aint clarity grand?

I see said the blind man :)

[Ahkenaten]

know them by their words and actions ..... unless someone is genuinely schizophrenic or using highly advanced identity-masking technology it is as impossible to fake a written signature as it is to fake a voice print ID........eventually they will not only reveal their identities, but also - their motives, intentions and value-system.

[yiolas]

I've spent the last two hours reading this thread, thinking that I was going to get somewhere.
Alas, I've been going around in circles.
See Ya !

[ditting]

I hear a lot of noise makers (Heather, 12 porpoises, Enlightened)

If they have truth to speak, shall it be ....BUT...

Let US not be drawn into controversy.

Ask a cop, lawyer, judge....If you can draw someone into arguing facts, they enter "dishonor" and the ruling will be in your favor.

We have a lot of facts to sort out.

If there are malevolent impostors, surely their objective will be to:

confuse, create division and controversy, etc which will:

draw us into an unproductive controversy,

create division and quarreling among members,

and make us forget or ignore what our original intention is.

Do not take the bait!

I have witnessed how sharing, loving, supportive this peer group can be.

Let us find ground that we ALL can share.

A stable foundation, unshakable by any infiltrant.

Are we with us?

[Isostool]

[personal] Conclusion: "Heather" is a crap Op. If any Org has her on its payroll, it is also crap - by their Ops shall ye know them. It's actually bad PR for the Orgs... Is this the best you've got, guys? You really should all be doing it properly. Charles is having a go. Why can't the rest of you?

New ground and all that? It's new territory. We should all be brave and use what we've got to mightily evolve. With some decent ****ing ops.

jeeeeeeezuz.
crap fest ola.

[K626]

[I go back into the Kitchen]

I don't know what you guys are doing back here to be getting pubes in the soup [put some pants on, for Christ's sake]..... but anyway, back to the flavour of the orig heather thread.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=4679&d=1297851210


In the end it turned out the supersoldiers were all vulernable to the common cold with a prediliction for nintendo. :laser: :luv:

Hey man, that was very funny when you put it into context with Heather, Kinsue and Marcus. Was that deliberate or a subconscious memory reflex?

You wot Guvnah?! :p









You know me too well.

cheers

K

[K626]

[personal] Conclusion: "Heather" is a crap Op. If any Org has her on its payroll, it is also crap - by their Ops shall ye know them. It's actually bad PR for the Orgs... Is this the best you've got, guys? You really should all be doing it properly. Charles is having a go. Why can't the rest of you?

New ground and all that? It's new territory. We should all be brave and use what we've got to mightily evolve. With some decent ****ing ops.

jeeeeeeezuz.
crap fest ola.

Amen to that.

Think there's enough brains trust and good ol wisdom on Avalonia to handle the mischief they cook up. Easy on the garlic next time eh?

cheers

K

[Celine]

Well this thread is finaly making me laugh...

Thanks guys...whether ya want it or not

[SteveX]

I'll save everyone the trouble you went through Yiolas.

Below is whats posted from the 18th of February 2010 in this link
http://projectcamelot.org/index_archive_8.html


• A personal note from Bill about the Heather Anderson affair:

The document that Kerry made available for public scrutiny is a poor one, written by someone with an educational level inconsistent with that required of an insider scientist of any description.

On the Project Avalon Forum, Heather refers to herself as "Dr Anderson", and another member (Marco) who claims he knew her, refers to her as an MD (i.e. a medical doctor). I very, very much doubt that this is true.

Identical repeated typos - e.g. SOLIDER for 'soldier' - occur in Ben Murphy's writing. Ben Murphy is the Project Avalon member, named in the published PDF, who claims that Heather was a real person whom he knew, and who, frightened and on the run, stayed with him and his wife for a while.

E-mails from both Ben and Heather have identical IP addresses. However, Ben explains this by saying that all Heather's messages were dictated by her to him. He also states that this is the reason the same dyslexic mistakes (SOLIDER, etc) occur in both his writing and hers.

When all the above became clear, I accused Ben of hoaxing the material, and banned him from the Project Avalon forum. I apologize to him here as there was not enough evidence - and more on the subject of evidence follows below - to justify a definite ban as a hoaxer.

I was angry that Camelot was being played. Indeed, Heather does seem to have been a real person. Camelot may indeed be being played, but not by Ben. A number of people are working quite hard on getting to the bottom of this little tangle on the grounds that it's just possible that what emerges might be important and valuable. For instance, we've recently heard that Heather is not dead after all, but has recently sent a message stating that she is in Strasbourg.

In the meantime, my strong personal opinion is that this is a waste of Camelot's time, and that we should focus on real whistleblowers (and real people) with provenance who are able to produce compelling evidence to support their claims. It's unfortunate that any of this reached the public. At best, it's a distraction. At worst, this is a sting operation against Project Camelot with the intention of discrediting our research.

In my view, those following our work expect us to apply intelligent due diligence to cross-check information that comes our way before publication. Also in my view, we have a duty of responsibility as gatekeepers, respected and followed by tens of thousands of people worldwide, to check the provenance of the information we record and report as carefully as possible while working in an arena which is awash with accidental and deliberate disinformation. It's my personal commitment to do good, solid research while remaining open to genuinely new and startling information - because the universe, as Sir Arthur Eddington famously stated, is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.

It's easy to make mistakes, or to be fooled by those with compelling cover stories and resources to back them up. I commend Kerry for her unstinting support for whistleblowers of every kind - and there are many kinds. We don't always get it right, and have both made mistakes. The nature of our work over the last three and a half years would have required one to be superhuman not to have been on a learning curve.

Our learning continues. We're pledged to share our journey with our readers and viewers. Kerry and I are united in our passion for the truth, and are both committed to giving our best to help the world become a better place through the free flow of information that has been withheld from the public by those who wish to control us for reasons of their own.

--Bill

[Celine]

Aint clarity grand?

I see said the blind man :)

How right you are...

But maybe not for the reasons you ..are...alluding to,