Heather etc.

[Gypsy Woman]

Hello fellow Avalonians,

While perusing the forums after being accepted as a member here, I quickly discovered that Heather, the author of "The Heather Material", is in our midst.

To be accurate, as I understand it, the material in question was not written by Heather herself, but by Ben Murphy, and transcribed from memories of conversations he had had with Heather while she was living with him and his family.

By way of background: after finding The Heather Material at Project Camelot, and listening to Kerry's interview with Ben Murphy, I felt compelled to track him down, which I did after a few hours and a few hundred clicks of my mouse.

I contacted him, and he replied immediately. We then exchanged quite a few emails last year, and I was able to satisfy my curiousity about the man behind The Heather Material, but not the woman...

Fast forward to February 2011, my arrival at Project Avalon, and my discovery that Heather is among us...

Today I found an old discussion page from April of 2010, a thread begun by Bill Ryan for "The Heather Material", but it was shut down in May, before Heather showed up here. (Or maybe she was lurking, or a member back then, posting under an assumed Avatar, I really have no idea... you'll have to ask her about that.)

In any event, I thought it might be valuable for us to talk to Heather herself, so I've begun this new thread in the hopes that it will generate some illuminating discourse between ourselves and Heather.

[Gypsy Woman]

In order to kick start this, I have invited Heather, AKA HeatherJJAnderson to say hello.

[JDM]

Thats Great,

I am Very interested in hearing from her and maybe asking a few questions about her experience

Thanks Gypsy Women.

Welcome Heather.

[Oouthere]

Yes, I'd love to speak with her....

Rich

[HeatherJJAnderson]

It is a pleasure to be on such a sophisticated forum in such fascinating company. I will endeavor to answer any questions.

[Oouthere]

Hiya Heather,

Can you please tell us why they are attempting the upgrades? Are they expecting an invasion or simply the normal world dominance theology?

Rich

[TheSwede]

Hi Heather,

Hope you're safe and left alone =)

A question, according to Charles information there are no reptilians left on earth. So this is about the reptilian looking entities you encountered.

Question: Were the reptilian looking creatures you bumped into human made programmed lifeforms or the real deal?

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Hi Rich and Theswede.

Upgrades are to make men better, faster stronger and ability to deal and take punishment. They want terminators that can kiss your cheek and break your neck in the same breath. They are us, this is DARPA's version of evolution, to include the synthetic, they are very much into the Borg mentality seeking a flawed level of perfection that I do not think will ever be reached.

Reptilians are here, this is only Charles's say so and he does not know everything. He only knows what pertains to him, even then that must be questioned. Rule of thumb in the counter intelligence is never be honest with a dishonest man. Never be dishonest with an honest man, merely make errors in judgeship that can be eluded to as misdirection and not deceitfulness.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I am safe and Roger is with me.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, Heather:

(I'm grateful to GW for starting this thread. She will be back with us in a few days. I've been communicating with her by e-mail while she is unsubscribed. I have a high degree of respect for her.)
My question, if I may. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to ask it.

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.

Here it is:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf





Why did you allow this to be published under your name, incurring ridicule for yourself all over the internet?
Why did you not ask Ben to make corrections - or preferably, rewrite it from scratch yourself?
Will you now do this?


My best wishes, Bill

[bashi]

I am safe and Roger is with me.

Hi Heather,
i do not understand this statement. Can you say more?

[modwiz]

I am safe and Roger is with me.

Hi Heather,
i do not understand this statement. Can you say more?
Yes. Please do.

[firstlook]

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Hi, Heather:


(I'm grateful to GW for starting this thread. She will be back with us in a few days. I've been communicating with her by e-mail while she is unsubscribed. I have a high degree of respect for her.)
My question, if I may. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to ask it.

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.

Here it is:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf





Why did you allow this to be published under your name, incurring ridicule for yourself all over the internet?
Why did you not ask Ben to make corrections - or preferably, rewrite it from scratch yourself?
Will you now do this?


My best wishes, Bill

Perhaps it would be best to also point out things you found stimulating. Just to keep things balanced and informative for all reading this thread.

[cayman]

where can I find ¨Heather Material ¨?

[Strat]

Here ya go cayman. I need to refresh myself on this material as well:

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/heather_material/heather_material.html

[Bill Ryan]

where can I find ¨Heather Material ¨?

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf

[Lucc30]

Hi Rich and Theswede.

Upgrades are to make men better, faster stronger and ability to deal and take punishment. They want terminators that can kiss your cheek and break your neck in the same breath..........

I am safe and Roger is with me.

Good to hear Heather - welcome!
Are Roger doing well if out of his usually environment?

[perfectresonance]

"I find the timing of this interesting"

http://www.lorrainebrevig.com/images/SpockFinal1.jpg

[cayman]

where can I find ¨Heather Material ¨?

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf

thanks,Bill, I thought there was a genuine original material from ¨Heather¨ himself. So, if this is a phony, I am very interested in what is the real ¨Heather material¨

[crosby]

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Hi, Heather:

(I'm grateful to GW for starting this thread. She will be back with us in a few days. I've been communicating with her by e-mail while she is unsubscribed. I have a high degree of respect for her.)
My question, if I may. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to ask it.

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.

Here it is:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf





Why did you allow this to be published under your name, incurring ridicule for yourself all over the internet?
Why did you not ask Ben to make corrections - or preferably, rewrite it from scratch yourself?
Will you now do this?


My best wishes, Bill

i agree with Mr. Ryan. can you tell us anything more? i've watched "The Heather Material", however, i came away with only bens story. nothing of importance regarding you. i'm glad that you're safe with roger.
warmest regards - corson

[HeatherJJAnderson]

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Hi, Heather:

(I'm grateful to GW for starting this thread. She will be back with us in a few days. I've been communicating with her by e-mail while she is unsubscribed. I have a high degree of respect for her.)
My question, if I may. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to ask it.

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.

Here it is:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf





Why did you allow this to be published under your name, incurring ridicule for yourself all over the internet?
Why did you not ask Ben to make corrections - or preferably, rewrite it from scratch yourself?
Will you now do this?


My best wishes, Bill

Hello Bill,

Thank you for your question and it is a very good one. The reason that the document was poorly written was because at the time the NSA were using a program called M/Mod/Rhiner it was an active test bed program for an echelon network hub that was going to be used to collect keywords sent in emails and documents.

I know what you are going to say and you are right. This technology did exist, however not to this level of efficiency, however in April of last year the program was scraped due to errors and bad sectors in the lines of code. the issue turned out to be a logistical problem that the programmers were unable to fix without constant maintenance. After a year and a half of grocery lists and bunk emails it was scraped for it's lesser counterpart, UB9.

The problem I faced was if I used standard fare jargon then immediately it would have been targeted and this would have ended before it began.
My name was not tarnished only Ben’s and for that I am sorry. In light of recent events I fear sorry is not an adequate word.
I did not want corrections made, that would have been a mistake on my part and I know it would have cost people their lives.
I shall rewrite the material to include much of the missing information, hopefully in its entirety the document will make more sense and detail procedures, cover autopsy notes and aspects of Osseointergration that I was responsible for.

With a little time I shall send copies to both Bill and Kerry for them to scrutinize and then whatever happens after is in your court.
Going out on a limb here, I shall also demonstrate the key Binary code that was hidden within the numbers I provided and show how the group that this message was intended for extracted the key words. I cannot say who that group is at this time.
Joanie

[Icecold]

From my perspective a much appreciated reply Heather. Thank you for communicating this information.

[bashi]

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Hi, Heather:

(I'm grateful to GW for starting this thread. She will be back with us in a few days. I've been communicating with her by e-mail while she is unsubscribed. I have a high degree of respect for her.)
My question, if I may. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to ask it.

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.

Here it is:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf





Why did you allow this to be published under your name, incurring ridicule for yourself all over the internet?
Why did you not ask Ben to make corrections - or preferably, rewrite it from scratch yourself?
Will you now do this?


My best wishes, Bill

Hello Bill,

Thank you for your question and it is a very good one. The reason that the document was poorly written was because at the time the NSA were using a program called M/Mod/Rhiner it was an active test bed program for an echelon network hub that was going to be used to collect keywords sent in emails and documents.

I know what you are going to say and you are right. This technology did exist, however not to this level of efficiency, however in April of last year the program was scraped due to errors and bad sectors in the lines of code. the issue turned out to be a logistical problem that the programmers were unable to fix without constant maintenance. After a year and a half of grocery lists and bunk emails it was scraped for it's lesser counterpart, UB9.

The problem I faced was if I used standard fare jargon then immediately it would have been targeted and this would have ended before it began.
My name was not tarnished only Ben’s and for that I am sorry. In light of recent events I fear sorry is not an adequate word.
I did not want corrections made, that would have been a mistake on my part and I know it would have cost people their lives.
I shall rewrite the material to include much of the missing information, hopefully in its entirety the document will make more sense and detail procedures, cover autopsy notes and aspects of Osseointergration that I was responsible for.

With a little time I shall send copies to both Bill and Kerry for them to scrutinize and then whatever happens after is in your court.
Going out on a limb here, I shall also demonstrate the key Binary code that was hidden within the numbers I provided and show how the group that this message was intended for extracted the key words. I cannot say who that group is at this time.
Joanie

I remember that there was a sequence in the PDF which made me laugh. The writer claimed that someone was knocking or asking the waiter about him and that therefore time is short, as he is now on the run. Later the document continued with a new set of stories.

I remember it because that time it was a very funny thing to read this explanation.
This scenario does not tally AT ALL with your above reply. Can you explain it without forcing me to read this "document" again?

[Tangri]

Hi Heather,

It is a moral dilemma being a pioneer scientific researcher and human at same time. You need to be open minded, untraditional, unethical. Also to be a blind not to see becoming an expendable asset for those, had monstrous intents.

[fifi]

Hi Heather,
So what are described in "The Heather Material" is real? That young men/children were used as guinea pigs for experiments, and discarded like thrash when experiments went wrong? That's too terrible to contemplate. But please let me know if what Ben wrote is true.

[perfectresonance]

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.


Hello Bill,

I know what you are going to say and you are right. This technology did exist, however not to this level of efficiency, however in April of last year the program was scraped due to errors and bad sectors in the lines of code. the issue turned out to be a logistical problem that the programmers were unable to fix without constant maintenance. After a year and a half of grocery lists and bunk emails it was scraped for it's lesser counterpart, UB9.


Bill.

I have made my living in IT my whole professional life.

The quoted paragraph is complete nonsense to me.

Together with sentence structure, grammar and spelling, I hope you're thinking what I'm thinking. :fie:

[Lily de Cuir]

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Hi, Heather:

(I'm grateful to GW for starting this thread. She will be back with us in a few days. I've been communicating with her by e-mail while she is unsubscribed. I have a high degree of respect for her.)
My question, if I may. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to ask it.

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.

Here it is:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf





Why did you allow this to be published under your name, incurring ridicule for yourself all over the internet?
Why did you not ask Ben to make corrections - or preferably, rewrite it from scratch yourself?
Will you now do this?


My best wishes, Bill

Hello Bill,

Thank you for your question and it is a very good one. The reason that the document was poorly written was because at the time the NSA were using a program called M/Mod/Rhiner it was an active test bed program for an echelon network hub that was going to be used to collect keywords sent in emails and documents.

I know what you are going to say and you are right. This technology did exist, however not to this level of efficiency, however in April of last year the program was scraped due to errors and bad sectors in the lines of code. the issue turned out to be a logistical problem that the programmers were unable to fix without constant maintenance. After a year and a half of grocery lists and bunk emails it was scraped for it's lesser counterpart, UB9.

The problem I faced was if I used standard fare jargon then immediately it would have been targeted and this would have ended before it began.
My name was not tarnished only Ben’s and for that I am sorry. In light of recent events I fear sorry is not an adequate word.
I did not want corrections made, that would have been a mistake on my part and I know it would have cost people their lives.
I shall rewrite the material to include much of the missing information, hopefully in its entirety the document will make more sense and detail procedures, cover autopsy notes and aspects of Osseointergration that I was responsible for.

With a little time I shall send copies to both Bill and Kerry for them to scrutinize and then whatever happens after is in your court.
Going out on a limb here, I shall also demonstrate the key Binary code that was hidden within the numbers I provided and show how the group that this message was intended for extracted the key words. I cannot say who that group is at this time.
Joanie

Why is it that the above is signed off by 'Joanie' if it is by Heather. Am I missing something"

Lily de Cuir

[NinjaPhil]

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.


Hello Bill,

I know what you are going to say and you are right. This technology did exist, however not to this level of efficiency, however in April of last year the program was scraped due to errors and bad sectors in the lines of code. the issue turned out to be a logistical problem that the programmers were unable to fix without constant maintenance. After a year and a half of grocery lists and bunk emails it was scraped for it's lesser counterpart, UB9.


Bill.

I have made my living in IT my whole professional life.

The quoted paragraph is complete nonsense to me.

Together with sentence structure, grammar and spelling, I hope you're thinking what I'm thinking. :fie:

Again, background in IT and completely agree with you.

[Star Gazer]

It's hard to take this material seriously when it's filled with spelling and grammatical errors.

[Icecold]

I may have misconstrued the message but,
I get a real individual and a fake message and I asked three times. Same response. Not true.

[bashi]

I may have misconstrued the message but,
I get a real individual and a fake message and I asked three times. Same response. Not true.

Congrats, you got it!

I could have called you out into the cold on that one, but instead i followed the rule:


"The bird of Hermes is my name eating my wings to make me tame..."

not bad for a bad boy, isn't it?

[Tuza]

So are you saying that the Heather Anderson is not the real person, a bit confused guys. Please explain....

and BTW someone has very bad intuition concerning a certain individual. Groan.

[KosmicKat]

...completely agree with you.
ditto, adding that I routinely work with pattern recognition software that

is quite simple to set up
has been around for at least three decades

IMO writing a script to do the job described should take no more than half an hour, and maintenance no more than minutes per day. The biggest expense would be processing time for large volumes of information.

[Lettherebelight]

Why would any individual want to make atrocities such as these up?

Do you think this type of work is beyond the capabilities of certain individuals?

Could it be the material was recorded under duress and time constraints?

These questions are for us all, including...Heather, I wish you well, regardless.

[Bill Ryan]

Why would any individual want to make atrocities such as these up?

Do you think this type of work is beyond the capabilities of certain individuals?

Could it be the material was recorded under duress and time constraints?

What happened was that when I challenged Ben Murphy (who initially said that Heather had written the document) that the document was in exactly his writing style and could not possibly have been written by a scientist (or by someone with any knowledge of science) - he said that Heather had dictated it to him.

Look again:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf


The reason that the document was poorly written was because at the time the NSA were using a program called M/Mod/Rhiner it was an active test bed program for an echelon network hub that was going to be used to collect keywords sent in emails and documents.

[snip]

The problem I faced was if I used standard fare jargon then immediately it would have been targeted and this would have ended before it began.

Ben wrote it. It's clear, and he (eventually) admitted that. Ben's dyslexic fingerprint typos show it also ('solider' for soldier - and much more, too, if anyone takes a close look).

Hence my question - why did you allow this to happen? You appear to be saying that you wrote it - but cloaked it so that keywords would not be picked up. If I've misunderstood your reply - please forgive me, and kindly explain clearly to everyone reading this who wrote the document, under what circumstances, and why.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Bashi: you failed to understand that certain aspects were a hidden communication, as I said in my previous post; I will break the information down and show this information in its entirety.

Perfectresonance: I respect that your background is in information technology, mine is not mine is developing things such as an viral antibody molecule, then from this trying to stabilize that molecule, having to figure out of polyclonal will be more stable than monoclonal. From here assessing how many grams are needed for successful stability and testing. We then go on to further testing. I am not an IT specialist, but within my work I have worked alongside programmers from both DARPA and the NSA.
As you have an IT history then I am sure you are familiar with GROUNDBREAKER and other projects under the NSA umbrella that I am sure you are aware of this is common knowledge and quite old now. I was told about M in confidence by a programmer, and if you are that good in IT a NightCrawler would have recruited you, with or without your permission. I am sure both you and Bashi, are on walk-in watch lists :P
Forgive me my sense of humor is a little dry.

The Heather Material was an Overt Target, it worked very well, it did have the relevant information the problem most of you encountered were pieces missing to the puzzle and without that it’s complete nonsense.
Icecold: I am sorry but I do not understand the question or statement is this some type of esoteric divination?

KosmicKat: This is not about script, it was a program was not using conventional means hence the reason why it was a test. I can assure you that everybody at Avalon has been used in Psychodynamics, even the “trolls” Start thinking away from the IT that you know because it’s comparing a chainsaw to a pocketknife. Script is archaic.

I do not object to any questions you are all displaying Posse Comitatas very well. My advice is keep going. To the programmers here, look past the logic once I explain the blowfish and the brevity codes all will become clear.
Bill: this is to you again the information will present itself and once explained I am sure you will see it in a new light.
To all: What was done here saved lives.

In closing we do have a few cousins here, but none of them are asking questions. We also have a very good cobbler, so I do feel safe in this company. One last thing, please do not make any further judgment until I have the finished document and it has been given to Bill and Kerry and you all have had chance to look at it for yourselves.

Once this has been done, you can let the questions flow like wine.

Joanie, my real name, Heather is a ghoul persona.

[Lettherebelight]

How were lives saved...(and whose?). Is this too confidential?

Good luck with the re-presenting, Joanie. Vaya con Dios!

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Why would any individual want to make atrocities such as these up?

Do you think this type of work is beyond the capabilities of certain individuals?

Could it be the material was recorded under duress and time constraints?

What happened was that when I challenged Ben Murphy (who initially said that Heather had written the document) that the document was in exactly his writing style and could not possibly have been written by a scientist (or by someone with any knowledge of science) - he said that Heather had dictated it to him.

Look again:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf


The reason that the document was poorly written was because at the time the NSA were using a program called M/Mod/Rhiner it was an active test bed program for an echelon network hub that was going to be used to collect keywords sent in emails and documents.

[snip]

The problem I faced was if I used standard fare jargon then immediately it would have been targeted and this would have ended before it began.

Ben wrote it. It's clear, and he (eventually) admitted that. Ben's dyslexic fingerprint typos show it also ('solider' for soldier - and much more, too, if anyone takes a close look).

Hence my question - why did you allow this to happen? You appear to be saying that you wrote it - but cloaked it so that keywords would not be picked up. If I've misunderstood your reply - please forgive me, and kindly explain clearly to everyone reading this who wrote the document, under what circumstances, and why.

I’m sorry I wasn’t clear. I had Ben write it, I dictated and he wrote the information for me, I had no idea his grammar and spelling was so bad.

I refused to go near a computer during this time; I have PTSD after my incident at the building that’s been dubbed the HG6 facility. I had to recover my emotional state was unstable and for a while questioned my mental health. I don’t want to venture into what happened, I will be hard pressed to get it out when I write the document again. Some aspects were left out due to my own personal experience and how it affected me, I hope you understand that being a woman certain sexual exploitation was involved and I don’t care to share that right now.
I was frightened. I had Ben do the dirty work for me. Honestly I used him and his family to a very selfish end. If I had any decency I would have had the guts to do this myself.

I went to Germany and took a job teaching Biology. I speak fluent German, my parents were both German. I never looked back, the person I wanted to get out of that building was extracted and I came back briefly to reunite with this individual we shall call Rodger for now. We left and went back to Germany and that’s all I wish to say about that.

[Icecold]

Heather dear,

a 9mm slug won't stop your soldiers. Will high velocity AP rounds stop your soldiers? What are the weaknesses and strengths of these constructs from an engagement perspective?


OK that's it she's logged off.

Have to do a lot better than that Heather. That extra explanation remains unconvincing.

Heather please explain in detail an undocumented antigen production procedure for our biologists.

I'll even bring in a professor of genetic engineering

[Oouthere]

I am sorry, but it really chaps me to have someone attacked that may be a real whistle blower. If she is not, then devour her later after it has been proven. I have been called delusional, on drugs and numerous others adjectives but those that know me personally have no such thoughts.

If she is truly who she says, then I have skin in her game and would like more information. I sound like one of her prior group’s little science experiments so this is VERY personal to me.

Leave her alone.

Rich

[Lettherebelight]

An old adage springs to mind

Truth can often be stranger than fiction.

[jorr lundstrom]

Heather is Where ?

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Heather dear,

a 9mm slug won't stop your soldiers. Will high velocity AP rounds stop your soldiers? What are the weaknesses and strengths of these constructs from an engagement perspective?


OK that's it she's logged off.

Have to do a lot better than that Heather. That extra explanation remains unconvincing.

Heather please explain in detail an undocumented antigen production procedure for our biologists.

I'll even bring in a professor of genetic engineering

Thanks Rich.

Icecold: I am not going to dance like a Russian bear to appease your amusement. The finished article will be enough to shut you up, but as you have a professor please have them answer these basic questions.

If I use Vero cells with a defined passage number and thaw them from liquid nitrogen and passaged in roux and roller bottles to produce sufficient cells to inoculate a 1.5 liter bioreactor. After reaching confluency with a final cell density of 1.5×10 6 cells/ml the cells are then trypsinized and transferred to a 10 liter bioreactor. Then used as an inoculum for a 100 liter bioreactor having a microcarrier concentration of 1.5 g/l. Starting from a working cell bank ampoule containing 10 7 cells about 30 generations are needed to reach the final confluent Vero cell biomass. The culture is grown to reach confluency with a final cell density of 1.9×10 6 /ml. Prior to virus infection, two 10 liter bioreactor systems are loaded with cell culture biomass, having different total cell numbers. Fermenter A is loaded with 1.9×10 10 cells, and fermenter B with a total cell number of 3.8×10 10 . To achieve higher biomass and carrier concentration to load fermenter B the cell culture is grown to confluency was concentrated by sedimentation of the biomass to reach a two-fold concentration.

what are the end percentage's of Fermenter A and Fermenter B? And what Virus am I replicating?
here is a clue you need a PH of 7.1 to activate it.

[Icecold]

Cheers Heather,

I'll C@P that procedure into an email and send it off in a jiffy. Much appreciated for your time addressing that request.

Done. Thanks Heather.

I'll wait for her response.

BTW I just noticed that the message you typed at me was full of spelling mistakes....Edit: .OK you corrected it. thanks.

yet your procedural text was letter perfect and 10 times as long....how did you manage to do that?;)

[JDM]

I am a little late to this thread.

I was waiting for a PM from Heather. (I see she has made it here)

The main question has already being asked for me from Bill.

But I would like to see your edited or revised version Heather.

Thanks

[DianeKJ]

:popcorn:

looking forward to reading the revision Joanie, thanks for your time.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Very true, I was checking to see who was paying attention ;) But rectified all the same.

[Watching from Cyprus]

Hello Joannie,
Nice to have you here.
Whatever you are referring to, i am sure only a few, if any has any idea of :-) I only heard about you yesterday when i read Bill's communication with you about your previous work i assume, and since you yourself is writing that it needs to be complete to be understood, i will wait in anxiety when you are done to read it.
I am reading David Icke's latest book Human Race get Off your knees, the lion sleeps no more, which i believe is so well written (on page 450 out of 700 pages so in a weeks time i should be done), and i take my hat of for David, who is a real hero. Alex Jones is the biggest patriot in the USA in my opinion, and also a real hero, although i do believe we have to get the population reduced in the world over time in a humane way and not by murdering people. Just a few personal points from me. If you feel like commenting then please do so (what do you think of David Icke and his beliefs?). Love from Peter the Dane in Cyprus

[Bill Ryan]

Icecold: I am not going to dance like a Russian bear to appease your amusement. The finished article will be enough to shut you up, but as you have a professor please have them answer these basic questions.

If I use Vero cells with a defined passage number and thaw them from liquid nitrogen and passaged in roux and roller bottles to produce sufficient cells to inoculate a 1.5 liter bioreactor. After reaching confluency with a final cell density of 1.5×10 6 cells/ml the cells are then trypsinized and transferred to a 10 liter bioreactor. Then used as an inoculum for a 100 liter bioreactor having a microcarrier concentration of 1.5 g/l. Starting from a working cell bank ampoule containing 10 7 cells about 30 generations are needed to reach the final confluent Vero cell biomass. The culture is grown to reach confluency with a final cell density of 1.9×10 6 /ml. Prior to virus infection, two 10 liter bioreactor systems are loaded with cell culture biomass, having different total cell numbers. Fermenter A is loaded with 1.9×10 10 cells, and fermenter B with a total cell number of 3.8×10 10 . To achieve higher biomass and carrier concentration to load fermenter B the cell culture is grown to confluency was concentrated by sedimentation of the biomass to reach a two-fold concentration.

what are the end percentage's of Fermenter A and Fermenter B? And what Virus am I replicating?
here is a clue you need a PH of 7.1 to activate it.

This text was copied from this web page.

http://docstoc.com/docs/57034424/Large-Scale-Productions-Of-Virus-Antigen---Patent-7524676#viewer-area

Heather, why did you do that?

[JDM]

This text was copied from this web page.

http://docstoc.com/docs/57034424/Large-Scale-Productions-Of-Virus-Antigen---Patent-7524676#viewer-area

Heather, why did you do that?

I done a quick search and found THE EXACT SAME THING.

And a few other ones

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7575752.html

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7524676.html

Chimeric infectious DNA clones, chimeric porcine circoviruses and uses thereof.

Large scale productions of virus antigen

[HeatherJJAnderson]

I recently finished reading 'I am me, I am Free!' I enjoyed it very much. I also am halfway through the Children of the Matrix, I am interested in the concept of David’s holographic environment and the math behind it, it has roots in molecular science but much has to be looked into before I could take it on board on a scientific stand point. On the other side of this coin the premise is plausible.

In regards to the Reptilian aspect I have heard many things about them shape shifting. Unfortunately I have not seen them shifting, I have only seen them as they are.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

As I mentioned it's very basic question. When asked in health care what does HIPAA stand for is that not a basic question? I was asked the very same question in my Post test when I received when I got my PHD at Cambridge University. However you have not provided the answer to the question I asked.

[Icecold]

I can feel a lot of stunned silence...so I'll be polite and ask....ummmm

Does anyone want to ask Heather a question?

[Swami]

I can feel a lot of stunned silence...so I'll be polite and ask....ummmm

Does anyone want to ask Heather a question?

Yeah......

Why are you here Heather...?

[Watching from Cyprus]

You have seen them real life..wow..
Are they all evil or do they also come as good individuals, since i understand that they were here first, and some stories are around of encounters with good hearted reptilians too? Good and bad should exist in their world too, right?
Thank you again Joannie
Peter

[Oouthere]

I'll admit I'm abit startled, but here goes.....

I do not know if I am part of anything similar to what your group developed, but in my experience they will show me a six symbol set and this does a number of things. First off it can deactivate your emotions, set in place a very determined attitude (if needed) and has always released information either needed for my understanding or was mission critical.

1) How do they get the initial information downloaded.
2) Is the information stored onboard a chip or is it integrated into brain?
3) How do they extract people like me from our homes in order to perform the upgrades/procedures that are carried out on our bodies?
4) Are these experiences able to be over ridden by the experiencer so that the orders do not have to be followed?

Thanks,

Rich

[nomadguy]

I for one can testify to the dyslexia fingerprint in writing style. I have dyslexia and it very mush shows in my writing.
Especially if I happen to be excited or fired up about something. " thier <> their " and so on.
And so if you go and take a stand for a friend ~ anyone is likely be fired up.

"M/Mod/Rhiner???" hmm sounds like "programmers gone wild"? more coke = more code.

So then a thought comes to mind.

~ a large wiretap program that is designed as a multi-use control system and very possibly a "snoop and steal idea" network?
A system like that could indeed steal unknowing citizens new energy ideas, policy ideas, anything wanted from the public and private as they live out their daily lives.
So long as the system is recording, the information intercepted could be organized and presented to people like Charles Master.

With that tidbit in mind,
~I back up Bill's Question,
Why did you allow this to happen?

My reason is this ->
What is important in this material that it merits release with known errors or mistakes?
Doesn't that hide the truth within the message?.

A little bit of Rhetorical ~
This material looks like something completely sinister. So sinister that if persons were connected with it, ~if found out, they could find themselves in a jail cell at the Hague or something. I wonder is Baxter at risk for liability somehow.

>new research from my circle shows how "on and off switching mechanisms" for viruses are very real patented technologies... And what is currently in-use or being researched and/or developed is secret and protected by law ~USPTO
I am not trying to blow this topic into a 1000 question rally, however after looking at the patent presented here. I find it all quite alarming.

>>>parasites, viruses, bacti and fungi all thrive in toxic environments.
These organisms are like Earths hands attempting to balance it all out.
So if you add a 1000 tons of aluminum waste. or a ja-zillion gallons of "who knows what" gulf oil, you then attract an unknowable amount of pathogens, parasites, bacteria's, extremophiles, fungi and what have you...

Cheers
C...
webmaster
http:/thetruthdenied.com

[Ahkenaten]

Oh for crying out loud here we go again! PHD schmee-H-D!!

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Ok allow me to make this easy for you

F A = 100% F B = 200% and the viral strain was influenza, if you ask me any question regarding this, trust me you will find the formula online. If I ask you a question I devise it will take up to a month because if it has not been patented it A does not work and B. is nonsense.

This type of science is formula driven, the reason why is due to protocol that has to be followed of course Bill you know that. How many ways do you cook a roast? You can change and variation of cooking, but in this type of research if you alter an ingredient you get mac and cheese instead of 5 star cuisine.

Ok allow me to give you an example. (9/4)^x = x^(9/4) unsolvable because it self-replicating right? Well medicine is a minefield like this Icecold, feel free to check and double check.

AFLURIA, is made due to the above as is VARIVAX and COMVAX, even though COMVAX is not an influenza it still uses a Varicella stabilizer.

Now try this one that is not in the public domain, Take a fermenter with 16% mass of Varicella, take a person with an PH level of 9.93, make sure a DNA test is run Start the Material at 1.1.-1 this must be fresh human serum not frozen it must have a elution volume of 50µl the yield must be 3-200-ng and upstream application using FCR format has to be used for F-cycling the compound.

Oh DNA size 2.2kb, Bead Binding is not applicable as we are using saccharin in this test to bind the varicella to the DNA, the saccharin must be <1 µm, the buffer should be as follows

19 mM MES, pH 9.9, 10m, NaCl, 8.1% Tween 10, once the weight and fermenter has been stored and applied.

How long does the storage have to cycle for?
What is the outcome of the a test subject fused with this?
What is the consequence for the test subject?
How to solve the consequence?

And this time I need three answers that you WON'T be able to Google. You want to be tested you just have been.

[bashi]

I can feel a lot of stunned silence...so I'll be polite and ask....ummmm

Does anyone want to ask Heather a question?

My question would be: Why am i still posting in this thread?;)

[Icecold]

trust me you will find the formula online.

Yes but word for word. The odds are very high Heather.

Damn Heather I already have sent a second email asking to ignore first.

OK. Now who is the Russian bear ;)

OK third email away.

Frankly speaking Bashi, I think some of our fellows have lost the plot. God bless 'em.

[seko]

this is interesting, so you've seen the reptilians just the way they are. If you know this Joannie, please tell us: are these experiments with teenagers or human beings created to attack us(ordinary humans) or to control us in the near future or what is their purpose?? why this reptilians don't come out the way they are and start the talking?? at least they can talk to us in this forum of open minded people.

[shybastid]

Maybe it's just me...but it sounds like the recipe to make Meth! just kidding... Thanks for staying objective Bill. Fair..but firm on this one.
Well appreciated... And sorry for the bad joke. I know better. I've NEVER insulted you, your guests or fellow Avalonians. Never will.(I hope)
I'm just feeling a little frisky today. Conversation is starting to sound a little "is" what IS "is". And WE don't get what IS is...Science Shmience..
Not really relevent to the Camelot posting.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Maybe it's just me...but it sounds like the recipe to make Meth!

No Meth is easier ;)

Sorry IceCold, I like to keep you on your toes.

Seko: I Have no way of knowing what their intentions or ambitions are, all I know for sure is that the ones that I witnessed were hostile in intent. That being said.... I was released by one, and I am only here today because of it's actions.

[shybastid]

One for Heather...None for Shy:o

[Jean-Luc]

Hello Heather

Thanks for being here.

In a world of overall deceit, trust is something that needs to be taken great care of (see Charles's story and how much time this has taken to start building up... and still is)
Extraordinary claims needs extraordinary proofs, or at least clear signs of probity.

Would you consider a skype or face to face interview with Bill in the near future as one way to set things straigt?

[HeatherJJAnderson]

I would prefer to speak to Bill face to face, for his peace of mind. I would very much like to set up an Skype interview and I am willing to do Cam to Cam if Skype plays fair.

[perfectresonance]

Heather dear,

a 9mm slug won't stop your soldiers. Will high velocity AP rounds stop your soldiers? What are the weaknesses and strengths of these constructs from an engagement perspective?


OK that's it she's logged off.

Have to do a lot better than that Heather. That extra explanation remains unconvincing.

Heather please explain in detail an undocumented antigen production procedure for our biologists.

I'll even bring in a professor of genetic engineering

Thanks Rich.

Icecold: I am not going to dance like a Russian bear to appease your amusement. The finished article will be enough to shut you up, but as you have a professor please have them answer these basic questions.

If I use Vero cells with a defined passage number and thaw them from liquid nitrogen and passaged in roux and roller bottles to produce sufficient cells to inoculate a 1.5 liter bioreactor. After reaching confluency with a final cell density of 1.5×10 6 cells/ml the cells are then trypsinized and transferred to a 10 liter bioreactor. Then used as an inoculum for a 100 liter bioreactor having a microcarrier concentration of 1.5 g/l. Starting from a working cell bank ampoule containing 10 7 cells about 30 generations are needed to reach the final confluent Vero cell biomass. The culture is grown to reach confluency with a final cell density of 1.9×10 6 /ml. Prior to virus infection, two 10 liter bioreactor systems are loaded with cell culture biomass, having different total cell numbers. Fermenter A is loaded with 1.9×10 10 cells, and fermenter B with a total cell number of 3.8×10 10 . To achieve higher biomass and carrier concentration to load fermenter B the cell culture is grown to confluency was concentrated by sedimentation of the biomass to reach a two-fold concentration.

what are the end percentage's of Fermenter A and Fermenter B? And what Virus am I replicating?
here is a clue you need a PH of 7.1 to activate it.

There are some people here that feel I should not be unkind to someone who is presenting herself as a whistle-blower. She made a previous statements about something computer related, and it made no sense. I didn't say it was false, I didn't say "Heather" is a fake, all I said was, and I quote "it makes no sense to me".

But truthfully, yes, I believe someone here is trying to have some fun with us.

Let's see, shall we?

1. Please note the paragraph of "Biologic information" above.

2. Please pull up this PATENT web page: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7524676.html

3. Now match all of the following phrases:

a) Prior to virus infection, two 10 liter bioreactor systems were loaded with cell culture biomass, having different total cell numbers
b) Vero cells with a defined passage number
c) and passaged in roux and roller bottles to produce sufficient cells to inoculate a 1.5 liter bioreactor

This confirms my suspicions to a certainty beyond my doubt.

Having been an observer of human nature, I'm sure some of you will still feel this is merely a cosmic coincidence.

My guess? Ben/Nikumei/Nikumei2... say hello :loco:

Motive: He was recently driven away by people saying he was responsible, at least in part, for the Camelot breakup. He's back to try and fix that now.

Q. Bill, can you PM me the IP number these Heather posts have come from? I would put a berry smoothy on it that this is not an IP number that originates from Germany.


...and can we please put your public support of GW into context in light of this? Because that went severely against the grain for me. Some other people have commented your "radar" is off, and I'd like to know it was for tactical purposes!


x---- POST UPDATE ----x

After further information and some thought, I no longer think Heather is Ben. However, I do stick by everything else I have said on this interesting diversion.

[TheSwede]

Thanks for the answer!

A request about the reptilians as Charles mentioned weren't here as opposed by so many testimonies everywhere. I think Charles is experiencing the "Richard Hoagland" effect if I can call it that, where he just haven't been given the information on them or the full story.

The request:

Can you describe them? Abilities, height, biological differences, their mentality, their objective and so on. You must sit on some info regarding them. As the scientist you are that was working whit em I find it impossible to not crave for knowing about them! =)

Thanks in advance, much appreciated!

P.S. Bill! (If you read this)
It would be interesting to know if Charles could get info on them in black projects from hes master since he claimed none is left here. Charles didn't even state that he don't think they are left, he just stated that they aren't like its for certain none is here... It contradicts so many stories about them, can you ask him please when in contact =)

[HeatherJJAnderson]

[QUOTE=Icecold;140832]Heather dear,

a 9mm slug won't stop your soldiers. Will high velocity AP rounds stop your soldiers? What are the weaknesses and strengths of these constructs from an engagement perspective?


OK that's it she's logged off.

Have to do a lot better than that Heather. That extra explanation remains unconvincing.

Heather please explain in detail an undocumented antigen production procedure for our biologists.

I'll even bring in a professor of genetic engineering

Thanks Rich.

Icecold: I am not going to dance like a Russian bear to appease your amusement. The finished article will be enough to shut you up, but as you have a professor please have them answer these basic questions.

If I use Vero cells with a defined passage number and thaw them from liquid nitrogen and passaged in roux and roller bottles to produce sufficient cells to inoculate a 1.5 liter bioreactor. After reaching confluency with a final cell density of 1.5×10 6 cells/ml the cells are then trypsinized and transferred to a 10 liter bioreactor. Then used as an inoculum for a 100 liter bioreactor having a microcarrier concentration of 1.5 g/l. Starting from a working cell bank ampoule containing 10 7 cells about 30 generations are needed to reach the final confluent Vero cell biomass. The culture is grown to reach confluency with a final cell density of 1.9×10 6 /ml. Prior to virus infection, two 10 liter bioreactor systems are loaded with cell culture biomass, having different total cell numbers. Fermenter A is loaded with 1.9×10 10 cells, and fermenter B with a total cell number of 3.8×10 10 . To achieve higher biomass and carrier concentration to load fermenter B the cell culture is grown to confluency was concentrated by sedimentation of the biomass to reach a two-fold concentration.

what are the end percentage's of Fermenter A and Fermenter B? And what Virus am I replicating?
here is a clue you need a PH of 7.1 to activate it.

There are some people here that feel I should not be unkind to someone who is presenting herself as a whistle-blower. She made a previous statements about something computer related, and it made no sense. I didn't say it was false, I didn't say "Heather" is a fake, all I said was, and I quote "it makes no sense to me".

But truthfully, yes, I believe someone here is trying to have some fun with us.

Let's see, shall we?

1. Please note the paragraph of "Biologic information" above.

2. Please pull up this PATENT web page: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7524676.html

3. Now match all of the following phrases:

a) Prior to virus infection, two 10 liter bioreactor systems were loaded with cell culture biomass, having different total cell numbers
b) Vero cells with a defined passage number
c) and passaged in roux and roller bottles to produce sufficient cells to inoculate a 1.5 liter bioreactor

This confirms my suspicions to a certainty beyond my doubt.

Having been an observer of human nature, I'm sure some of you will still feel this is merely a cosmic coincidence.

My guess? Ben/Nikumei/Nikumei2... say hello :loco:

Motive: He was recently driven away by people saying he was responsible, at least in part, for the Camelot breakup. He's back to try and fix that now.

Q. Bill, can you PM me the IP number these Heather posts have come from? I would put a berry smoothy on it that this is not an IP number that originates from Germany.


...and can we please put your public support of GW into context in light of this? Because that went severely against the grain for me. Some other people have commented your "radar" is off, and I'd like to know it was for tactical purposes![/QUOTE

No Please share my IP with the rest, I have nothing to hide :)

[K626]

'Heather' if you really worked on black projects on transhuman rendition and whatnot and started banging on about it on the web you'd have about 12-15 min depending on where you were on the planet.

Take care.

K

[Ahkenaten]

'Heather' if you really worked on black projects on transhuman rendition and whatnot and started banging on about it on the web you'd have about 12-15 min depending on where you were on the planet.

Take care.

K

here here I second that.......................the question is, always - why this information, why NOW?

[HeatherJJAnderson]

'Heather' if you really worked on black projects on transhuman rendition and whatnot and started banging on about it on the web you'd have about 12-15 min depending on where you were on the planet.

Take care.

K

Which is why I have not discussed trans-human rendition have I? And you obviously have no idea what your talking about, let me take a guess you were a part of a black project yourself and hold the keys to castle greyskull? Sorry my sense of humor gets the better of me at times. But look up what a cobbler is then get back to me, I have a very good one.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



'Heather' if you really worked on black projects on transhuman rendition and whatnot and started banging on about it on the web you'd have about 12-15 min depending on where you were on the planet.

Take care.

K

here here I second that.......................the question is, always - why this information, why NOW?

Why not? Seko: I hear you ask why not come to Avalon for this is a place of open minds. Minds that can't answer one easy DNA modification question, but jump all over the basics.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Ok allow me to give you an example. (9/4)^x = x^(9/4) unsolvable because it self-replicating right? Well medicine is a minefield like this Icecold, feel free to check and double check.

AFLURIA, is made due to the above as is VARIVAX and COMVAX, even though COMVAX is not an influenza it still uses a Varicella stabilizer.

Now try this one that is not in the public domain, Take a fermenter with 16% mass of Varicella, take a person with an PH level of 9.93, make sure a DNA test is run Start the Material at 1.1.-1 this must be fresh human serum not frozen it must have a elution volume of 50µl the yield must be 3-200-ng and upstream application using FCR format has to be used for F-cycling the compound.

Oh DNA size 2.2kb, Bead Binding is not applicable as we are using saccharin in this test to bind the varicella to the DNA, the saccharin must be <1 µm, the buffer should be as follows

19 mM MES, pH 9.9, 10m, NaCl, 8.1% Tween 10, once the weight and fermenter has been stored and applied.

How long does the storage have to cycle for?
What is the outcome of the a test subject fused with this?
What is the consequence for the test subject?
How to solve the consequence?

Perfectresonance: answer this please you have not done so yet? also Ahkenaten & K626, feel free to work this one out as well the top equation is a clue.

[K626]

'Heather' if you really worked on black projects on transhuman rendition and whatnot and started banging on about it on the web you'd have about 12-15 min depending on where you were on the planet.

Take care.

K

Which is why I have not discussed trans-human rendition have I? And you obviously have no idea what your talking about, let me take a guess you were a part of a black project yourself and hold the keys to castle greyskull? Sorry my sense of humor gets the better of me at times. But look up what a cobbler is then get back to me, I have a very good one.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



'Heather' if you really worked on black projects on transhuman rendition and whatnot and started banging on about it on the web you'd have about 12-15 min depending on where you were on the planet.

Take care.

K

here here I second that.......................the question is, always - why this information, why NOW?

Why not? Seko: I hear you ask why not come to Avalon for this is a place of open minds. Minds that can't answer one easy DNA modification question, but jump all over the basics.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Ok allow me to give you an example. (9/4)^x = x^(9/4) unsolvable because it self-replicating right? Well medicine is a minefield like this Icecold, feel free to check and double check.

AFLURIA, is made due to the above as is VARIVAX and COMVAX, even though COMVAX is not an influenza it still uses a Varicella stabilizer.

Now try this one that is not in the public domain, Take a fermenter with 16% mass of Varicella, take a person with an PH level of 9.93, make sure a DNA test is run Start the Material at 1.1.-1 this must be fresh human serum not frozen it must have a elution volume of 50µl the yield must be 3-200-ng and upstream application using FCR format has to be used for F-cycling the compound.

Oh DNA size 2.2kb, Bead Binding is not applicable as we are using saccharin in this test to bind the varicella to the DNA, the saccharin must be <1 µm, the buffer should be as follows

19 mM MES, pH 9.9, 10m, NaCl, 8.1% Tween 10, once the weight and fermenter has been stored and applied.

How long does the storage have to cycle for?
What is the outcome of the a test subject fused with this?
What is the consequence for the test subject?
How to solve the consequence?

Perfectresonance: answer this please you have not done so yet? also Ahkenaten & K626, feel free to work this one out as well the top equation is a clue.

This is beyond parody. Perhaps there IS a tv show in it. :pizza::pizza:

[perfectresonance]

No Please share my IP with the rest, I have nothing to hide

Nothing to hide at all?

That doesn't seem very sensible.

Look, you don't have to convince me, because I have made up my mind.

I'm out. I'm not into schadenfreude, ja?

[firstlook]

If Bill is unwilling to have a recorded chat, Kerry has her radio program on American Freedom Radio. Actually come to think of it,

It would be something special to see Bill and Kerry do the show together. A balanced interview from both trains of thought.

Maybe this could be the resolution/interview that puts some unity back between this community.

I remember when People use to keep suspicions of truth to themselves and if not even suspicions, they use to allow others to work through the information in their own way, trusting each other.

Just some thoughts.

[3optic]

Originally Posted by HeatherJJAnderson
Which is why I have not discussed trans-human rendition have I? And you obviously have no idea what your talking about, let me take a guess you were a part of a black project yourself and hold the keys to castle greyskull? Sorry my sense of humor gets the better of me at times. But look up what a cobbler is then get back to me, I have a very good one.

This is beyond parody. Perhaps there IS a tv show in it. :pizza::pizza:

I looked up cobbler..

[Ahkenaten]

Yup - ALL about scripts...........creative writing 101 - with spelling errors etc. courtesy of a PHD - know them by their words and deeds. Always testing groups for credulity and intellectual naivete............always mapping and tracking, over and out.

[K626]

No Please share my IP with the rest, I have nothing to hide

Nothing to hide at all?

That doesn't seem very sensible.

Look, you don't have to convince me, because I have made up my mind.

I'm out. I'm not into schadenfreude, ja?

:couch2:

Probably get me dna modifyied if I ain't careful...:laser:

Nothing personal Heather and good luck to you whatever the game is.

Be safe.

K

[HeatherJJAnderson]

How about you call me in Germany and then you can call Ben in the US? will that work, it's not about convincing you, I don't care about what you think of me.

[firstlook]

The issue I see in this community, is reaction.

Comments to make others react in the same fashion without playing the game. If your gonna have a community that looks for whistle blowers, its actually best to play the game. So many call quits on this and on that.

I always learn the best when i see two people constantly exchanging debate, even when they dont trust one another.

Why?

Because intelligent people can work through the INFO.

This avenue use to be about hypothetical allowance in order to keep the debate going.

Allowing the truth and non truth to exist side by side without hierarchy. Because of Individual subjective truth seeking.

Just some more thoughts on this whole subject of "Interrogating a Whistle blower" ;)

[An Cailleach]

The issue I see in this community, is reaction.

Comments to make others react in the same fashion without playing the game. If your gonna have a community that looks for whistle blowers, its actually best to play the game. So many call quits on this and on that.

I always learn the best when i see two people constantly exchanging debate, even when they dont trust one another.

Why?

Because intelligent people can work through the INFO.

This avenue use to be about hypothetical allowance in order to keep the debate going.

Allowing the truth and non truth to exist side by side without hierarchy. Because of Individual subjective truth seeking.

Just some more thoughts on this whole subject of "Interrogating a Whistle blower" ;)

Thank you Firstlook!

Hi Heather

I would really like if you would tell us more about the reptilian beings that you have had contact with. Did they communicate with you telepathically...or is that a given?

What was it like being in their presence?

Regards

[DevilPigeon]

Originally Posted by HeatherJJAnderson
Which is why I have not discussed trans-human rendition have I? And you obviously have no idea what your talking about, let me take a guess you were a part of a black project yourself and hold the keys to castle greyskull? Sorry my sense of humor gets the better of me at times. But look up what a cobbler is then get back to me, I have a very good one.

This is beyond parody. Perhaps there IS a tv show in it. :pizza::pizza:

I looked up cobbler..

cobbler is either someone who mends shoes, or a type of cake... cobblers is a nickname for a uk football team, but is also cockney rhyming slang for 'nonsense' (being polite)....

i'm not making a statement with the above, just giving the definitions that i'm aware of is all.

[Buchanan561]

Re: Heather is here...
--------

QUOTE: Hi, Heather:
(I'm grateful to GW for starting this thread. She will be back with us in a few days. I've been communicating with her by e-mail while she is unsubscribed. I have a high degree of respect for her.)

I agree with you Bill, enjoyed her spirit as she responded to others. She is no doormat and good for her. Emma

PS. Get her back on.

[perfectresonance]

Just some more thoughts on this whole subject of "Interrogating a Whistle blower" ;)

They are fine thoughts.

But I have a limited amount of attention to give, and the topics/items/people in life that I want to direct my attention to exceeds my available time!

So I have to perform some kind of triage.

I have not been rude, unkind or in any way demeaning.

I have shared my thoughts and my conclusion.

And I could be wrong.

I just chose to share my thoughts on this curious incident.

That is also INFO for you to work through! ;)

[3optic]

Originally Posted by HeatherJJAnderson
Which is why I have not discussed trans-human rendition have I? And you obviously have no idea what your talking about, let me take a guess you were a part of a black project yourself and hold the keys to castle greyskull? Sorry my sense of humor gets the better of me at times. But look up what a cobbler is then get back to me, I have a very good one.

This is beyond parody. Perhaps there IS a tv show in it. :pizza::pizza:

I looked up cobbler..

cobbler is either someone who mends shoes, or a type of cake... cobblers is a nickname for a uk football team, but is also cockney rhyming slang for 'nonsense' (being polite)....

i'm not making a statement with the above, just giving the definitions that i'm aware of is all.

Maybe she has a very good fruit pie with a rich crust on top.

[Abhaya]

Hey all I think we have every right to question this person... but lets not be rude huh? Why not just hear something out. You cant learn anything unless you listen. Let her put out her statement or do the interview with bill. Then you can make a judgement.

Some people on this forum are just so stressed and angry its unreal.

just chill :biggrin1:

[firstlook]

Just some more thoughts on this whole subject of "Interrogating a Whistle blower" ;)

They are fine thoughts.

But i have a limited amount of attention to give, and the topics/items/people in life that I want to direct my attention to exceeds my available time!

So I have to perform some kind of triage.

I have not been rude, unkind or in any way demeaning.

I have shared my thoughts and my conclusion.

And I could be wrong.

I just chose to share my thoughts on this curious incident.

That is also INFO for you to work through! ;)

I agree, I try not to focus on individual outlooks. Merely pointing a good guide to allow the flow to keep coming. The only thing that disappoints me is how we are either for the information or not. While this is true indeed for individuals, I always thought Avalon stood for the Apathy of Truth and Non truth alike.

Sometimes the language is a barrier, other times people take things personally.

All in all, I am highly impressed with everyones trust in each other. One knows it can always grow.

The final issue is Their is no right and wrong in a system of conscious beings all testing their free will.

We fall so we can learn to get up again.

Thank you for your thoughts. I know where your coming from. :)

[HeatherJJAnderson]

:) a Cobbler is a person who creates false docs like passports, visas, diplomas and various other things :)

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I am off to do some work now, but I shall be back when I am not at school later :) Funny peeps!

[NinjaPhil]

I for one would appreciate seeing Bill interview you, either audio or skype video would be cool. I'm reserving any judgement until then and seeing as my biology is not PHD level I will refrain from an opinion either way on that stuff for now.

Look forward to seeing where this goes.

Phil

[Bill Ryan]

...and can we please put your public support of GW into context in light of this? Because that went severely against the grain for me. Some other people have commented your "radar" is off, and I'd like to know it was for tactical purposes!

My 'public support' of GW was simply that she's a member whom I like and value. Because she was wanting to set up a platform for Heather to answer questions - a useful service here! - that doesn't implicate her in any deception. It just means that she's interested. And well she might be. It's interesting!

My radar is not off - at all. :)

[Ahkenaten]

There is a crucial difference between being 'angry' and expressing legitimate skepticism..................we have been 'round and 'round this heather material before here............................exercising intellectual honesty is not merely being negative. There is always a place for analysis and objectivity in any discussion. Unfortunately Forums such as this lack the other important elements of verbal communication between human beings, i.e. facial expression, tone of voice, cadence of language, etc. that, combined with words constitute genuine communication between people......underscoring the real limitations to discourse of this kind and "communities" such as these. Lacking these elements it is often difficult if not impossible to determine what is true, and what is not.

[giovonni]

Yes i like the idea of an interview !
these threads can get a bit long winded:blah:

[Hiram]

Greetings Heather,


Can you tell me where you are located right now? Where are you currently...city-wise?

[perfectresonance]

...and can we please put your public support of GW into context in light of this? Because that went severely against the grain for me. Some other people have commented your "radar" is off, and I'd like to know it was for tactical purposes!

My 'public support' of GW was simply that she's a member whom I like and value. Because she was wanting to set up a platform for Heather to answer questions - a useful service here! - that doesn't implicate her in any deception. It just mans that she's interested. And well she might be. It's interesting!

My radar is not off - at all. :)

Aw Bill, you big lug, that's why we love you. Alrighty then. As we were. :p

[firstlook]

There is a crucial difference between being 'angry' and expressing legitimate skepticism..................we have been 'round and 'round this heather material before here............................exercising intellectual honesty is not merely being negative. There is always a place for analysis and objectivity in any discussion. Unfortunately Forums such as this lack the other important elements of verbal communication between human beings, i.e. facial expression, tone of voice, cadence of language, etc. that, combined with words constitute genuine communication between people......underscoring the real limitations to discourse of this kind and "communities" such as these. Lacking these elements it is often difficult if not impossible to determine what is true, and what is not.

I agree with this. But For some reason it seems that Skeptics should not need grouping as should those who are interested.

These labels while "seemingly" useful to individual outlooks, are still used in a group setting to swing further discussion this way or that. Everyone trying to swing this way or that cause a uneasy motion for all.

As Bill said the radar should always be on, and language should reflect this encouragement in others.

I would never ask anyone to be dishonest. Only consider the object of this discourse that we call learning.

I only worry about this so much because in a community of truth, its is even more dangerous to never want to be wrong. I still think many are learning how to subjectively view material. We should remember this when choosing our words.

People are still influenced by others opinions in varying degrees and different stages of self confidence.

This community should hold this as one hold a new born baby. Not because people dont know things, but simply to let others mature in a truly balanced environment.

I hope I have explained my thoughts without tipping the scales in favor of "skeptics" nor "supporters".

:)

[Ahkenaten]

labels? Perhaps we should do away with adjectives altogether in the name of objectivity?

[Hiram]

:)I am off to do some work now, but I shall be back when I am not at school later :) Funny peeps!

Heather it's past 9pm in Germany. What school are you referring to?

Must be research work....in a lab no doubt.

[mrmalco]

I wonder what part of Cambridge you most vividly remember - apart from the obvious, perhaps something about Cambridge life. Something someone else who was there might know about. Yes it's a test question but I'm hoping you answer in a way I know is true.

I've been enjoying this thread but feel I've missed quite a few beats on all this.



I can feel a lot of stunned silence...so I'll be polite and ask....ummmm

Does anyone want to ask Heather a question?

Yeah......

Why are you here Heather...?

[firstlook]

labels? Perhaps we should do away with adjectives altogether in the name of objectivity?

Could you explain further?

:)

[Ahkenaten]

An adjective is a word used to qualify the subject of a sentence further, i.e. "The man was a skeptic" Man, being subject, was being verb and skeptic further defining the subject, "man." Adjectives as parts of speech are not merely labels, rather their purpose is to further define subjects, for the purpose of clarification and deeper communication and understanding. If you think use of adjectives (or adverbs) merely serves the purpose of labeling and pidgeon-holing rather than furthering intelligent discussion between people, perhaps the use of adjectives as modifiers should be eliminated altogether in the name of pure objectivity in this forum. Capeche? I personally think that the language would suffer severely as a result.

[Buchanan561]

Hi Heather,
So what are described in "The Heather Material" is real? That young men/children were used as guinea pigs for experiments, and discarded like thrash when experiments went wrong? That's too terrible to contemplate. But please let me know if what Ben wrote is true.


I don't know why it is so hard to understand, or believe that people were used as guinea pigs and then discarded. I have read about this type of things for years. I totally believe what 'Heather' is saying. Lots of information out there about this type of thing. Just had to put my two cents worth in here. Hang in there Heather, I believe you. Emma

[Scott]

Ok allow me to give you an example. (9/4)^x = x^(9/4) unsolvable because it self-replicating right? Well medicine is a minefield like this Icecold, feel free to check and double check.

AFLURIA, is made due to the above as is VARIVAX and COMVAX, even though COMVAX is not an influenza it still uses a Varicella stabilizer.

Now try this one that is not in the public domain, Take a fermenter with 16% mass of Varicella, take a person with an PH level of 9.93, make sure a DNA test is run Start the Material at 1.1.-1 this must be fresh human serum not frozen it must have a elution volume of 50µl the yield must be 3-200-ng and upstream application using FCR format has to be used for F-cycling the compound.

Oh DNA size 2.2kb, Bead Binding is not applicable as we are using saccharin in this test to bind the varicella to the DNA, the saccharin must be <1 µm, the buffer should be as follows

19 mM MES, pH 9.9, 10m, NaCl, 8.1% Tween 10, once the weight and fermenter has been stored and applied.

How long does the storage have to cycle for?
What is the outcome of the a test subject fused with this?
What is the consequence for the test subject?
How to solve the consequence?




I was curious about this information, so I took the opportunity to relay it to a to a Former guest a Dr Tyler Kokjohn who has a Ph.D. (Biochemistry) from Loyola University Chicago and am a Professor of Microbiology at the Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine. He is also a adjunct Senior Scientist at Banner-Sun Health Research Institute (Sun City, AZ) working as a team member researching Alzheimer’s disease (AD) biochemistry and the effects of immunotherapy on AD pathology and dementia.

His response was interesting.

and I quote:

Hi, Scott –

It does not appear to be even particularly well crafted BS.
Check carefully.

Tyler

[firstlook]

An adjective is a word used to qualify the subject of a sentence further, i.e. "The man was a skeptic" Man, being subject, was being verb and skeptic further defining the subject, "man." Adjectives as parts of speech are not merely labels, rather their purpose is to further define subjects, for the purpose of clarification and deeper communication and understanding. If you think use of adjectives (or adverbs) merely serves the purpose of labeling and pidgeon-holing rather than furthering intelligent discussion between people, perhaps the use of adjectives as modifiers should be eliminated altogether in the name of pure objectivity in this forum. Capeche? I personally think that the language would suffer severely as a result.

I dont see the need to define a "person" with adjectives. Responding to their points and reflections seems more along the lines of critical thinking, would it not?

Place or thing is another matter, since it pertains to the material and information at hand. Keeps the context on point for everyone while also allowing people to learn from others adjectives about the evidence.

:)

PS> Funny enough, people sometimes do this to themselves, causing emotional judgments and regrets. This would be good evidence about why its good to examine this use of adjectives on "Person" instead of "point".

[bitworm]

(9/4)^x = x^(9/4)

at least 1 obvious solution:
x = 9/4

[mrmalco]

Just breaking in for a moment ... The sentence "The Man was a skeptic." ... Does not use the word skeptic as an adjective. It's a noun. 'The Man is/was skeptical" = adjective. Truth to tell that is about the first time a Cambridge Degree in English has ever made me feel sure about something!

[Ahkenaten]

Mr. Malco - is not the use of a word to define the subject of a sentence an adjective? Is not the use of a word to define the verb of a sentence an adverb? I was speaking of usage. If so, then in the sentence "The man (subject of sentence) was a skeptic" - skeptic is an adjective further defining the subject of the sentence "man"; whereas in the sentence "The man was skeptical" - the word skeptical is an adverb inasmuch as the word further defines the verb "was"?! Pls. check and inform me. Thx.

[firstlook]

Just breaking in for a moment ... The sentence "The Man was a skeptic." ... Does not use the word skeptic as an adjective. It's a noun. 'The Man is/was skeptical" = adjective. Truth to tell that is about the first time a Cambridge Degree in English has ever made me feel sure about something!

exactly. So the man was skeptical.

But where does the explanation lead? The information.

I never brought the idea that we shouldn't use adjectives. Merely that we should focus on keeping the information at a flow that allows others to swim in.

Being honest and being diligent while respecting others atmosphere for reflection is always high priority.

:)

[Oouthere]

All I know is I want answers. No one or thing has the right to do the things that have been done to myself and several other people I know. I’m normally very collective and pleasant but if I feel there may be even a smidget of a possibility of someone having answers I become anxious.

I guess the difference between someone just casually looking at this thread and myself would be about like comparing a former hostage with a passer-by of the event. If anyone knows or even think they know some of the answers please IM me.

From what I’ve seen, we are nothing more than cattle to those that are doing this and someone should be held responsible if at all possible.

Rich

[Agape]

Heather dear,

a 9mm slug won't stop your soldiers. Will high velocity AP rounds stop your soldiers? What are the weaknesses and strengths of these constructs from an engagement perspective?


OK that's it she's logged off.

Have to do a lot better than that Heather. That extra explanation remains unconvincing.

Heather please explain in detail an undocumented antigen production procedure for our biologists.

I'll even bring in a professor of genetic engineering

Thanks Rich.

Icecold: I am not going to dance like a Russian bear to appease your amusement. The finished article will be enough to shut you up, but as you have a professor please have them answer these basic questions.

If I use Vero cells with a defined passage number and thaw them from liquid nitrogen and passaged in roux and roller bottles to produce sufficient cells to inoculate a 1.5 liter bioreactor. After reaching confluency with a final cell density of 1.5×10 6 cells/ml the cells are then trypsinized and transferred to a 10 liter bioreactor. Then used as an inoculum for a 100 liter bioreactor having a microcarrier concentration of 1.5 g/l. Starting from a working cell bank ampoule containing 10 7 cells about 30 generations are needed to reach the final confluent Vero cell biomass. The culture is grown to reach confluency with a final cell density of 1.9×10 6 /ml. Prior to virus infection, two 10 liter bioreactor systems are loaded with cell culture biomass, having different total cell numbers. Fermenter A is loaded with 1.9×10 10 cells, and fermenter B with a total cell number of 3.8×10 10 . To achieve higher biomass and carrier concentration to load fermenter B the cell culture is grown to confluency was concentrated by sedimentation of the biomass to reach a two-fold concentration.

what are the end percentage's of Fermenter A and Fermenter B? And what Virus am I replicating?
here is a clue you need a PH of 7.1 to activate it.


Hello Heather,

..sorry to interrupt your monologue...sounds really interesting for starters ...

forgive me if I'm missing the clues or targets . But how could they possibly guess from the base of two Vero cell culture substances with given concentration what kind of virus are you trying to inocculate to it ?

Could be influenza B or any other virus that survives happily in PH > 7 . ?


I suppose that end percentages should be in symmetry to each other to confirm the experiment , right or wrong ?


And again, you did not say how much of the viral culture you used.


So, not easy to answer. There are too many options.




:angel:

[Ahkenaten]

frankly I thought the use of a noun as a modifier means that by usage it is an adjective, small point. Anyway I was being provocative first look. My intention was not to polarize into skeptics and supporters but rather to introduce a healthy dose of skepticism into the discussion on the heather material. Of course if I am incorrect with respect to usage I stand corrected! :cool:

[firstlook]

frankly I thought the use of a noun as a modifier means that by usage it is an adjective, small point. Anyway I was being provocative first look. My intention was not to polarize into skeptics and supporters but rather to introduce a healthy dose of skepticism into the discussion on the heather material. Of course if I am incorrect with respect to usage I stand corrected! :cool:

I think its all good. We have both laid reminders of critical thinking and balancing expressions IMO.

Peace :)

[Buchanan561]

Just some more thoughts on this whole subject of "Interrogating a Whistle blower" ;)

They are fine thoughts.

But I have a limited amount of attention to give, and the topics/items/people in life that I want to direct my attention to exceeds my available time!

So I have to perform some kind of triage.

I have not been rude, unkind or in any way demeaning.

I have shared my thoughts and my conclusion.

And I could be wrong.

I just chose to share my thoughts on this curious incident.

That is also INFO for you to work through! ;)


And this is good. Gives others things to think about. I am always thinking about those silent readers who just come and learn from the back and forth points and views. And I have to say, as I have been watching, and note that you do this quite well. Have never, so far heard you say disparaging words to others. Thank you for being you, as you come across great. I pick up on your energy as well. (Your smile helps too) Emma

[Tuza]

...and can we please put your public support of GW into context in light of this? Because that went severely against the grain for me. Some other people have commented your "radar" is off, and I'd like to know it was for tactical purposes!

My 'public support' of GW was simply that she's a member whom I like and value. Because she was wanting to set up a platform for Heather to answer questions - a useful service here! - that doesn't implicate her in any deception. It just mans that she's interested. And well she might be. It's interesting!

My radar is not off - at all. :)

Well if that is your take on it, good luck with that.

[fifi]

Hi Heather,
Please think about your own safety first. If you were harmed because of all the info you share here, no one in this forum can help you, even if we want to.

Please take care, and be safe.

[GoldenYears]

Heather,
Since you are stating your credentials, as proof of your claims, you obviously had to have a published discertion, what was the title of your PhD and do you have proof of your credentials?
Thanks.

[perfectresonance]

...and can we please put your public support of GW into context in light of this? Because that went severely against the grain for me. Some other people have commented your "radar" is off, and I'd like to know it was for tactical purposes!

My 'public support' of GW was simply that she's a member whom I like and value. Because she was wanting to set up a platform for Heather to answer questions - a useful service here! - that doesn't implicate her in any deception. It just mans that she's interested. And well she might be. It's interesting!

My radar is not off - at all. :)

Well if that is your take on it, good luck with that.

Don't worry, you're also a member who Bill likes and values! :kiss:

[Gardener]

Hello fellow Avalonians,

While perusing the forums after being accepted as a member here, I quickly discovered that Heather, the author of "The Heather Material", is in our midst.

Fast forward to February 2011, my arrival at Project Avalon, and my discovery that Heather is among us...

I understand 'gypsy woman' is on respite right now, so when she comes back I have a question or two.

Gypsy woman,
How did you know that the member heatherJJAnderson was the person referenced in the 'heather material'?

[Astra]

If I use Vero cells with a defined passage number and thaw them from liquid nitrogen and passaged in roux and roller bottles to produce sufficient cells to inoculate a 1.5 liter bioreactor. After reaching confluency with a final cell density of 1.5×10 6 cells/ml the cells are then trypsinized and transferred to a 10 liter bioreactor. Then used as an inoculum for a 100 liter bioreactor having a microcarrier concentration of 1.5 g/l. Starting from a working cell bank ampoule containing 10 7 cells about 30 generations are needed to reach the final confluent Vero cell biomass. The culture is grown to reach confluency with a final cell density of 1.9×10 6 /ml. Prior to virus infection, two 10 liter bioreactor systems are loaded with cell culture biomass, having different total cell numbers. Fermenter A is loaded with 1.9×10 10 cells, and fermenter B with a total cell number of 3.8×10 10 . To achieve higher biomass and carrier concentration to load fermenter B the cell culture is grown to confluency was concentrated by sedimentation of the biomass to reach a two-fold concentration.[/B]what are the end percentage's of Fermenter A and Fermenter B? And what Virus am I replicating?
here is a clue you need a PH of 7.1 to activate it.

Hello Heather, welcome to Avalon!

I remember “The Heather Material” thread from PA1 very well ... good you are here to clarify a few things for us and thanks for your patience.

I just wanted to ask a quick question, if you don’t mind!?

In regards to the above quote, it appears as if you are familiar with the work of two Inventors::wink:

Inventors:
Reiter, Manfred (Vienna, AT)
Mundt, Wolfgang (Vienna, AT)

Am I right? If so, would you mind to elaborate?

Best wishes!

[shybastid]

Scott? THAT all you got? You check the guys REAL credentials? Nice homework Scott. Well done.
Gold Star. I know I personally didn't understand the science. Glad you had someone who DOES know science read it.

[MariaDine]

Hello Heather !

I'm really curious to compare your «notes» with mine about the reptilians !
Namasté

[observer]

....

Reptilians are here, this is only Charles's say so and he does not know everything. He only knows what pertains to him, even then that must be questioned....

I feel impelled to make a comment here.

For those of you not familiar with my posts, I've been researching this extraterrestrial phenomenon since the early 1960's. I discovered information regarding the reptilian presence in the mid 1970's. I consider myself well informed regarding these Draconian Reptiles. I could lists several pages of links to verify what I'm saying, but I don't see the need for that in the context of this discussion.

I might point-out, the reptillian presence is extra-dimensional, not extraterrestrial. This fact can be verified by the thousands of publicly available testimonies regarding the 'manifestation' process involved in 'invoking' the presence of a reptilian life-form.

Call these rituals demonic, Satanic, lower astral, or whatever other name you prefer to apply. The fact remains these reptillian lifeforms DO NOT reside within this particular dimension, therefore, "here on earth".

Charles may be quite correct in stating there are no reptiles on earth. This may quite possibly be a clever manipulation of the facts to suit another reptilian agenda.

They are very clever at what they do....

I'm all in favor of letting Heather express her story without all the petty nitpicking....

[Celine]

observer ..great idea... Good honest, intelligent debate, with no nit picking.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

My credentials and I was asked about Cambridge:

1997- 1999: Agro Paris Tech Institute, Paris; M.Sc Biochemistry. 1999-2001: M.Sc Cell Biology, University Montpellier II, France. 2001 2003: PHD Microbiology Cambridge University. To answer a question that was asked of me my fondest memory of Cambridge will always be the day I got my PHD at the Senate House, they have formal diploma ceremonies four times a year, I loved Cambridge, the river Cam, and I made some lifelong friends in Claire College.

St Mary’s Church is an amazing sight no matter what religions you part take in if any. I did not like Silver Street heading towards Queens College as the pavement at that time had cobbles that you had to walk on inciting a broken ankle… Let me clarify that the road is smooth but you just had to walk on the cobbles as it was one of those fetish’s that if not walked upon felt like an itch not scratched.

After that I joined the US Navy and took my post doc in the University of California, a tough ride as many procedural changes came with also going through basic training and trying to get back into the school realm. I guess I took it too far in that direction as I kept going. Gaining a more information the Navy loves to allow you to wear many hats using cross training in the field, I jumped from Virology Program & HIV (Navy Medical Service Corps, Ph.D. biochemistry) to a Parasitology Program (Navy Medical Service Corps, Ph.D. microbiology) a world apart from basic biochemistry.

Not long before I was used in different programs my first real taste was Osseointergration of various metals to bone. Using alternative methods other than graphs, the Navy wanted think tanks with alternative thinkers.

It is no worry that Dr Tyler Kokjohn does not have the first clue about the question, why would he I am not asking a simple critical thinking question such as describe the molecular formula, condensed structure, and number of carbons for hexane?

Or such as what alkane does this formula belong to C10 H22? Then you get into Lewis structures and more fun stuff, but the key Scott is if I tell you to draw a Lewis structure for Butane, and I ask that you describe the relationship between the number of hydrogen’s and carbons, without having the table of elements I am working with you have no way of answering or understanding the question.
And the bonding of Saccharin to serum is standard practice. "Why?" you ask? Because sugars in the saccharin’s are sticky, look at any influenza shot and how it is put together and do the math. I am not talking of a serum in my question; I am using integration techniques to bind the elements. If Dr Tyler wishes to know the full procedure which he would to understand the mechanics, tell him to step up and join this forum and consult me directly :)

[crosby]

hi heather - when you pop back on perhaps you could answer this: while doing you work, did you ever work with aaron mccullum? it seems i remember your name being mentioned during an interview with him from project camelot, however, i can't remember the context of it.
warmest regards, corson

[HeatherJJAnderson]

hi heather - when you pop back on perhaps you could answer this: while doing you work, did you ever work with aaron mccullum? it seems i remember your name being mentioned during an interview with him from project camelot, however, i can't remember the context of it.
warmest regards, corson

I worked with Aaron in 2003 on a dolphin research project. his second interview and Ben Murphy's first Universal Truth Evolution interview describe the details of my involvement. I think all can be found on you-tube.

I am very sorry to everybody but it's very late and I do have other responsibilities, good night and good morning to all.
Joanie

[HeatherJJAnderson]

yes I did work with Aaron briefly I covered Dolphin research, I am not a Marine Biologist, I struggled with the work load and was a complete fish out of water in that environment.
'
I will now bid you all good night or morning, I have other responsibility in the morning and yesterday was hours ago for me, so god bless and may you all find peace.

Joanie

[Amenjo]

And now for something completely different!

http://barrykade.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/monty_foot.jpg?w=403&h=300

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14201-AMAZING-BOOK-from-14th-Century-Voynich-Manuscript-MUST-SEE

Love and Truth,

Amenjo

[Icecold]

Hi Heather,

I have a reply from my friend, the Professor of genetic engineering.

She says:


I got to the bit where you ” take a person with a pH level of 9.9” and stopped there. That is, what, a hundred fold difference to blood pH. Binding a virus to DNA with saccharin? Huh? Reminds me of that movie with Russell Crowe where he lived within his own delusions. Smart but off the planet. This all makes no sense....The purchase of bio-based materials are scrutinized by funding bodies at the least – basically I am not sure where to start with what nonsense this appears to be.

Any thoughts on the reply Heather?

[Kano]

Hi Joanie (if I may),

Welcome to Project Avalon and thank you for coming forward to join in the discussion.

I am very interested in hearing more from you.

We all want to learn and are tired of the lies so I hope you do not take critical questions or comments personally.

I for one am grateful that someone of your education and experience is speaking out here.

I appreciate you taking on these tough questions with zeal and poise.

With Heart,
Kano

[Icecold]

Heather:

I made some lifelong friends in Claire College.

Huh?????????

You are 49.


2001 2003: PHD Microbiology Cambridge University.

I'm a reasonable mathematician. This does not equate.


On the material so far I am going to make a tentative diagnosis of Heather's condition
based upon known symptomatic phenomena.

Heather is a schizophrenic.

[mrmalco]

Mr. Malco - is not the use of a word to define the subject of a sentence an adjective? Is not the use of a word to define the verb of a sentence an adverb? I was speaking of usage. If so, then in the sentence "The man (subject of sentence) was a skeptic" - skeptic is an adjective further defining the subject of the sentence "man"; whereas in the sentence "The man was skeptical" - the word skeptical is an adverb inasmuch as the word further defines the verb "was"?! Pls. check and inform me. Thx.

No - if its got an 'a' or a 'the' in front it's a noun. See any dictionary. But don't let's fall out about it. I was just mumbling as I went past.

[Kerry Cassidy]

--------

Hi, Heather:

(I'm grateful to GW for starting this thread. She will be back with us in a few days. I've been communicating with her by e-mail while she is unsubscribed. I have a high degree of respect for her.)
My question, if I may. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to ask it.

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.

Here it is:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf





Why did you allow this to be published under your name, incurring ridicule for yourself all over the internet?
Why did you not ask Ben to make corrections - or preferably, rewrite it from scratch yourself?
Will you now do this?


My best wishes, Bill

Hello Bill,

Thank you for your question and it is a very good one. The reason that the document was poorly written was because at the time the NSA were using a program called M/Mod/Rhiner it was an active test bed program for an echelon network hub that was going to be used to collect keywords sent in emails and documents.

I know what you are going to say and you are right. This technology did exist, however not to this level of efficiency, however in April of last year the program was scraped due to errors and bad sectors in the lines of code. the issue turned out to be a logistical problem that the programmers were unable to fix without constant maintenance. After a year and a half of grocery lists and bunk emails it was scraped for it's lesser counterpart, UB9.

The problem I faced was if I used standard fare jargon then immediately it would have been targeted and this would have ended before it began.
My name was not tarnished only Ben’s and for that I am sorry. In light of recent events I fear sorry is not an adequate word.
I did not want corrections made, that would have been a mistake on my part and I know it would have cost people their lives.
I shall rewrite the material to include much of the missing information, hopefully in its entirety the document will make more sense and detail procedures, cover autopsy notes and aspects of Osseointergration that I was responsible for.

With a little time I shall send copies to both Bill and Kerry for them to scrutinize and then whatever happens after is in your court.
Going out on a limb here, I shall also demonstrate the key Binary code that was hidden within the numbers I provided and show how the group that this message was intended for extracted the key words. I cannot say who that group is at this time.
Joanie

Hi Joanie,

Nice to see you resurfacing... Assuming it really is you.

What would really be nice is for Ben and you to receive a real apology from Bill Ryan for his conduct way back when I went through hell and high water to release your material... The merits were there for all to see in the original material regardless of the subterfuge and necessity of avoiding the echelon bots etc.

At any rate you go girl and you are welcome at the Camelot Forum anytime.

Blessings,

Kerry

[Tuza]

--------

Hi, Heather:

(I'm grateful to GW for starting this thread. She will be back with us in a few days. I've been communicating with her by e-mail while she is unsubscribed. I have a high degree of respect for her.)
My question, if I may. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to ask it.

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.

Here it is:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf





Why did you allow this to be published under your name, incurring ridicule for yourself all over the internet?
Why did you not ask Ben to make corrections - or preferably, rewrite it from scratch yourself?
Will you now do this?


My best wishes, Bill

Hello Bill,

Thank you for your question and it is a very good one. The reason that the document was poorly written was because at the time the NSA were using a program called M/Mod/Rhiner it was an active test bed program for an echelon network hub that was going to be used to collect keywords sent in emails and documents.

I know what you are going to say and you are right. This technology did exist, however not to this level of efficiency, however in April of last year the program was scraped due to errors and bad sectors in the lines of code. the issue turned out to be a logistical problem that the programmers were unable to fix without constant maintenance. After a year and a half of grocery lists and bunk emails it was scraped for it's lesser counterpart, UB9.

The problem I faced was if I used standard fare jargon then immediately it would have been targeted and this would have ended before it began.
My name was not tarnished only Ben’s and for that I am sorry. In light of recent events I fear sorry is not an adequate word.
I did not want corrections made, that would have been a mistake on my part and I know it would have cost people their lives.
I shall rewrite the material to include much of the missing information, hopefully in its entirety the document will make more sense and detail procedures, cover autopsy notes and aspects of Osseointergration that I was responsible for.

With a little time I shall send copies to both Bill and Kerry for them to scrutinize and then whatever happens after is in your court.
Going out on a limb here, I shall also demonstrate the key Binary code that was hidden within the numbers I provided and show how the group that this message was intended for extracted the key words. I cannot say who that group is at this time.
Joanie

Hi Joanie,

Nice to see you resurfacing... Assuming it really is you.

What would really be nice is for Ben and you to receive a real apology from Bill Ryan for his conduct way back when I went through hell and high water to release your material... The merits were there for all to see in the original material regardless of the subterfuge and necessity of avoiding the echelon bots etc.

At any rate you go girl and you are welcome at the Camelot Forum anytime.

Blessings,

Kerry

Yes I do remember you gave your support fully to Heather/Joanie Kerry, so how come she is not on your forum. I would have thought with all the support you did give her the first thing she would have done is go to Camelot.

Oh and BTW with all due respect to you, Icecold's posts with answers from an appropriate Professor here needs to be looked at imho in connection with Heather/Joanie's posts on this thread.

[Lettherebelight]

I am glad to see that Kerry has made her voice heard on this thread. This material was a real issue before on Camelot. I still think it is important to give people a respectful ear whilst they explain themselves.

Then we make our personal discernment, no one is forcing us to believe anything. But at least we should be given the chance to make that decision for ourselves.

If we just shoot every whistleblower down at the first whiff of doubt, how can we have that chance to judge for ourselves?

[kersley]

Hi Heather.
I know part of the story you tell is true. If you could tell me the name of the being who set you free, I would be very grateful.
I would rather you do this via PM. for obvious reasons.
Avalonians. We are like children playing with fire. Many will get burn. How will Charles make this public is beyond me. But i will do my bit to assist him. What your about to experience is beyond your imagination, yet you will have to except it.

[iceni tribe]

Hi Heather.
I know part of the story you tell is true. If you could tell me the name of the being who set you free, I would be very grateful.
I would rather you do this via PM. for obvious reasons.
Avalonians. We are like children playing with fire. Many will get burn. How will Charles make this public is beyond me. But i will do my bit to assist him. What your about to experience is beyond your imagination, yet you will have to except it.

and how do you know it is beyond my imagination. stop teasing and do tell.

[kersley]

@ Icen tribe.
I have contacted others on here to assist me doing just that. Is that East Anglia in the UK?
Thanks
Kersley

[iceni tribe]

@ Icen tribe.
I have contacted others on here to assist me doing just that. Is that East Anglia in the UK?
Thanks
Kersley

that's a affirmative kersley........... i havn't put my flag up because im a member of planet earth not a region or state

[Jean-Luc]

To me the critical analysis Bill did months ago on this material was standard quality check and fully made sense.
This is an absolute must to avoid having the whole boat lose credibility and capsize.

It's good that Heather/Joanie offers to get in touch again, including with a face to face direct interview.
I guess for some (?) reason this has not been possible beforehand, hence this strange dead-end situation.

Perhaps time is ripe now for a second look. Without any rancor.
And with both - as ever - a critical and an open mind.

[Celine]

--------

Hi, Heather:

(I'm grateful to GW for starting this thread. She will be back with us in a few days. I've been communicating with her by e-mail while she is unsubscribed. I have a high degree of respect for her.)
My question, if I may. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to ask it.

You must have known that the report which Ben Murphy authored under your name contained an enormous amount of badly-written, unscientific nonsense.

Here it is:

http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf





Why did you allow this to be published under your name, incurring ridicule for yourself all over the internet?
Why did you not ask Ben to make corrections - or preferably, rewrite it from scratch yourself?
Will you now do this?


My best wishes, Bill

Hello Bill,

Thank you for your question and it is a very good one. The reason that the document was poorly written was because at the time the NSA were using a program called M/Mod/Rhiner it was an active test bed program for an echelon network hub that was going to be used to collect keywords sent in emails and documents.

I know what you are going to say and you are right. This technology did exist, however not to this level of efficiency, however in April of last year the program was scraped due to errors and bad sectors in the lines of code. the issue turned out to be a logistical problem that the programmers were unable to fix without constant maintenance. After a year and a half of grocery lists and bunk emails it was scraped for it's lesser counterpart, UB9.

The problem I faced was if I used standard fare jargon then immediately it would have been targeted and this would have ended before it began.
My name was not tarnished only Ben’s and for that I am sorry. In light of recent events I fear sorry is not an adequate word.
I did not want corrections made, that would have been a mistake on my part and I know it would have cost people their lives.
I shall rewrite the material to include much of the missing information, hopefully in its entirety the document will make more sense and detail procedures, cover autopsy notes and aspects of Osseointergration that I was responsible for.

With a little time I shall send copies to both Bill and Kerry for them to scrutinize and then whatever happens after is in your court.
Going out on a limb here, I shall also demonstrate the key Binary code that was hidden within the numbers I provided and show how the group that this message was intended for extracted the key words. I cannot say who that group is at this time.
Joanie

Hi Joanie,

Nice to see you resurfacing... Assuming it really is you.

What would really be nice is for Ben and you to receive a real apology from Bill Ryan for his conduct way back when I went through hell and high water to release your material... The merits were there for all to see in the original material regardless of the subterfuge and necessity of avoiding the echelon bots etc.

At any rate you go girl and you are welcome at the Camelot Forum anytime.

Blessings,

Kerry

Tell me something...does Bill got to Camelot and tell you what to do?


i dont really expect and answer..

[Bill Ryan]

My credentials and I was asked about Cambridge:

1997- 1999: Agro Paris Tech Institute, Paris; M.Sc Biochemistry. 1999-2001: M.Sc Cell Biology, University Montpellier II, France. 2001 2003: PHD Microbiology Cambridge University. To answer a question that was asked of me my fondest memory of Cambridge will always be the day I got my PHD at the Senate House, they have formal diploma ceremonies four times a year, I loved Cambridge, the river Cam, and I made some lifelong friends in Claire College.

Heather... it's Clare College. You spelled it wrong.


http://bunnyabroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/cambridge-clare-college-sign.jpg

[K626]

You gotta love Bill. :p

Baron K

[Midnight Rambler]

I don´t buy into the whole Heather story at all!! But aren't you being a bit of a grammar Nazi here? Please do not take offence, but it does not prove anything IMO.

OK, the spelling is off, but also consider, everyone makes typos so that can easily be her excuse and you then don´t have a leg to stand on other than saying that its suspicious.

[Celine]

Once a teacher...always a teacher.

My grammar and spelling have improved due to Bill's attention to this detail...

I have even attempted to start using a capital I...


wonder if he noticed.

lol

[Icecold]

I don´t buy into the whole Heather story at all!! But aren't you being a bit of a grammar Nazi here? Please do not take offence, but it does not prove anything IMO.

OK, the spelling is off, but also consider, everyone makes typos so that can easily be her excuse and you then don´t have a leg to stand on other than saying that its suspicious.

Choosing one error out of a host of errors is not an argument MR. Errors accumulate and that is what is happening.

Kersley, please. What are you talking about?

I know part of the story you tell is true. If you could tell me the name of the being who set you free, I would be very grateful.
I would rather you do this via PM. for obvious reasons.
Avalonians. We are like children playing with fire. Many will get burn. How will Charles make this public is beyond me. But i will do my bit to assist him. What your about to experience is beyond your imagination, yet you will have to except it.

Are you a friend of Enlightened, she was talking about burning people as well?

[Bill Ryan]

I don´t buy into the whole Heather story at all!! But aren't you being a bit of a grammar Nazi here? Please do not take offence, but it does not prove anything IMO.

OK, the spelling is off, but also consider, everyone makes typos so that can easily be her excuse and you then don´t have a leg to stand on other than saying that its suspicious.

Correct: it's just data.

But it's rather like me posting on the forum that I used to live in 'Edinbrough' (that beautiful city in Scotland, where I spent many years). :)

I wasn't 'being a teacher', nit-pickingly correcting a mistake. I don't do that on the forum. I was pointing out that the mistake is very hard to understand if Heather had really spent two years there.

No-one at Clare ever mis-spells the name.

I've written to Clare College asking if she was a student there, and if she was awarded a Microbiology PhD. I referenced Heather's real name (Joan ____ ) as stated on her forum application.

But if the answer comes back negative, then be prepared for Heather/Joanie to say that she had since changed her name because she was on the run.

Two real scientists have stated that what she wrote was nonsense. That the original report (http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf) was nonsense is clear to anyone with a good lay grounding in science.

In my opinion, and gathering together the benefits of all the many doubts, there's maybe a 5% chance that the story is a real one. But that % possibility is shrinking all the time - as far as I can see.

[Midnight Rambler]

I agree wholeheartedly Icecold but this is insignificant to me. That copy/paste error on the other hand was huge IMO. ;)

[GoldenYears]

I don´t buy into the whole Heather story at all!! But aren't you being a bit of a grammar Nazi here? Please do not take offence, but it does not prove anything IMO.

OK, the spelling is off, but also consider, everyone makes typos so that can easily be her excuse and you then don´t have a leg to stand on other than saying that its suspicious.

Well one would think with someone with her credentials would remember how to spell the college that she has such fond memories of would get it right. And I would also think that the career she's in, one would have to be impeccable with letters and numbers.

[Celine]

Are lists of alumni public record?

[Midnight Rambler]

I don´t buy into the whole Heather story at all!! But aren't you being a bit of a grammar Nazi here? Please do not take offence, but it does not prove anything IMO.

OK, the spelling is off, but also consider, everyone makes typos so that can easily be her excuse and you then don´t have a leg to stand on other than saying that its suspicious.

Correct: it's just data.

But it's rather like you posting on the forum that that you live in XXXX. :)

I have a broken wrist in three place so I rely heavily on spelling check. And I don´t think that's funny at all and would appreciate that you edit this please.

- Edit- I have had a concussion also and the joke now sinks in Bill. It´s actually pretty funny!;) But my whereabouts on a public forum? I choose not to make this public (although it is spelled incorrectly I might add):p

Thank you Bill!:o

[Icecold]

Last night she typed up a whole lot of spelling mistakes in two sentences. All of a sudden they were all corrected into perfect english?

[Jean-Luc]

Heather... it's Clare College. You spelled it wrong.



Could be the influence of a 4 years stay in Paris & Montpellier. "Claire" in French does roughly pronounce like "Clare".

Dear Heather/Joanie : Après 4 ans passés en France : j'imagine que vous devez couramment parler la langue de Voltaire ?

Why not just grab a phone and clear this out ?

[Icecold]

Are lists of alumni public record?

If not the university will still have a record of degrees issued.

[GoldenYears]

And if she has a PhD, she should have a published discertation. I know in the US that alumni lists are available to the public.

[bearcow]

there's so much disinfo put on this site from people who mean well. perhaps when we have a individual who is clearly not being factual like this, it might be in the best interest of all that this thread be closed. time to focus on other subjects.

[Lumial8]

Yup - ALL about scripts...........creative writing 101 - with spelling errors etc. courtesy of a PHD - know them by their words and deeds. Always testing groups for credulity and intellectual naivete............always mapping and tracking, over and out.

Interesting thread...I'm looking forward to seeing the revised document. I'm not saying anything about the veracity of Heather's statements or identity but I will say that I'm a writer with excelllent spelling and grammatical skills but when I type fast or on forums such as these I make a lot more mistakes that I often don't bother to change - it's not affecting my professional status - but if I were writing for my job, I would check and counter-check, etc. See my previous posts for all the mainly typo mistakes that I've simply left in - something I would never do at work. Love to all....

[ace]

Heather... it's Clare College. You spelled it wrong.



Could be the influence of a 4 years stay in Paris & Montpellier. "Claire" in French does roughly pronounce like "Clare".

Dear Heather/Joanie : Après 4 ans passés en France : j'imagine que vous devez couramment parler la langue de Voltaire ?

Why not just grab a phone and clear this out ?

Non, ce n'est pas possible, j'ai vécu en France en même temps. Je pense que, à de nombreux drapeaux rouges.
vous ne pensez pas?

Ace

[Icecold]

there's so much disinfo put on this site from people who mean well. perhaps when we have a individual who is clearly not being factual like this, it might be in the best interest of all that this thread be closed. time to focus on other subjects.

That would be a form of censorship and would prevent an investigation as to who is behind this posting exercise? Why would you want that covered up???


time to focus on other subjects. Coverup?

For example,

Kerry posts followed by Kersly who sounds a little like Enlightened?

Look if nothing else its intriguing. Ace its a heap of red flags alright.

[Carmody]

If it is real, actual data and genetic modification ....information and you have about 12 minutes (even if you had 6 hours)...then there is only one real actual solution.

The people connected to it (the data) would know.


Dump it everywhere, and RUN.

Talking on forums would an instant death warrant.

it really is that simple.

If those people use AI, then the AI supposedly can see though time and probability function to some degree (Did I remember that correctly? or is it blind in that fashion?), then you would not even have those minutes. They would detect the temporal ripple before it happens..and you'd be cut off as you begin.

If there is no AI, just a very complete and efficent networked watching system..then the results would be the same, with regard to monitoring and targeting net portals.

I'm reading implausibility on all probability fronts.

If you are for real, dump it and run.


And if you were for real, your ass would be grass already. Even if you could cloak your position, you would still need a net portal.

There are only a few ways to achieve this and each time the given scenario is enacted, the probability of surviving the communication drops.

Each communication period would be very limited in length, and each logged IP would be different.

Within 3 communications, you would likely be found. That is the scenario with the existing public system that is out there today.

The only way past this is you'd have to have someone who is familiar with, oh..the backdoor system for Cisco hardware, for example.

If you are for real, in the final analysis, Dump it and run.

Engagement serves only the needs of a psyop.

In the final analysis, Charles personal scenario....it can be placed under the same umbrella.

The only change or difference in his backstory so far, is the potential for entitlement and control of his area or ground. The ground/area/method/IP from which he might be posting from.

on that very slim rod of potential, some of his ground for being real, among other points, can be found.

His story is getting to the point that it must change soon, though. Very soon.

[Lita]

Yes I do remember you gave your support fully to Heather/Joanie Kerry, so how come she is not on your forum. I would have thought with all the support you did give her the first thing she would have done is go to Camelot.


Actually Heather was very helpful on the subject of the machine a few weeks ago at Camelot..

Céline would being nice really hurt all that much, is there really a need for attitude.

[Oouthere]

I had hope in gaining insite, but the light is all but diminished...

Thank you for your attention and research Bill.

Rich

[Helvetic]

Yes I do remember you gave your support fully to Heather/Joanie Kerry, so how come she is not on your forum. I would have thought with all the support you did give her the first thing she would have done is go to Camelot.


Actually Heather was very helpful on the subject of the machine a few weeks ago at Camelot..

Céline would being nice really hurt all that much, is there really a need for attitude.

Mods, don't let this circus start again please, thank you.

[Gone001]

I don´t buy into the whole Heather story at all!! But aren't you being a bit of a grammar Nazi here? Please do not take offence, but it does not prove anything IMO.

OK, the spelling is off, but also consider, everyone makes typos so that can easily be her excuse and you then don´t have a leg to stand on other than saying that its suspicious.

Correct: it's just data.

But it's rather like me posting on the forum that I used to live in 'Edinbrough' (that beautiful city in Scotland, where I spent many years). :)

I wasn't 'being a teacher', nit-pickingly correcting a mistake. I don't do that on the forum. I was pointing out that the mistake is very hard to understand if Heather had really spent two years there.

No-one at Clare ever mis-spells the name.

I've written to Clare College asking if she was a student there, and if she was awarded a Microbiology PhD. I referenced Heather's real name (Joan ____ ) as stated on her forum application.

But if the answer comes back negative, then be prepared for Heather/Joanie to say that she had since changed her name because she was on the run.

Two real scientists have stated that what she wrote was nonsense. That the original report (http://projectavalon.net/Heather_report_with_Bill_Ryan_comments.pdf) was nonsense is clear to anyone with a good lay grounding in science.

In my opinion, and gathering together the benefits of all the many doubts, there's maybe a 5% chance that the story is a real one. But that % possibility is shrinking all the time - as far as I can see.

This whole thread has become ridiculous and is just going to suck the energy out of any member who stops by. The woman has contradicted herself in nearly every single post she's written on this thread. Why are you still indulging her? The contradictions are enough to discredit her, (at least in my books and anyone else with common sense) everything else seems petty at this point (like kicking someone on the ground). Unsubscribe her and be done with it; we have bigger fish to fry.

By the way, Icecold emailing his professor friends is something to look at as well as her continuing contradictory statements; emailing the school isn't. If she is everything she says (please..) then do you actually think the record would still be there; have we forgotten about Bob Lazaar? I believe Bob Lazaar is credible (and I believe is generally excepted as such) but you won't have any record of him at the schools he says he went too either. I implore you to close this thread for it serves as nothing more then a distraction at this point and there is already enough evidence available within it that anyone who trolls through it can see the truth.

Cheers,

Aldous

[Icecold]

Actually Heather was very helpful on the subject of the machine a few weeks ago at Camelot..

Really?

You aren't getting it are you Lita?

[Bill Ryan]

----------

Heather, it seems - as far as I can tell, but I'm still waiting on some replies to messages - that your unusual Eastern European surname, which you gave on your forum application, is not on the Alumni list for Clare College, nor in the Cambridge Library where all PhD theses should be cataloged.

Can you provide a reference to the name you used when you were a student there?

As a scientist, you'll understand that there's a still-increasing amount of anomalous data here, and hypotheses are generated which must be tested.

One hypothesis is that you have invented everything for reasons known only to yourself. That's easy to refute, if you can show that you are a PhD Microbiologist. Many thanks for considering doing that, in whatever way you can.

[Astra]

After rereading “The Heather Material” I think an interview would be of help, but this is up to Bill, I guess. While I don’t like nit picking I can understand people getting easily frustrated after finding the “copy/paste” thing and not getting any clarification as to why would someone do this.

Dear Heather, could you please give us some explanation in regards to this, so we can proceed with questions pertaining to your work, instead of questioning your scientific credibility? This will make things much easier for all, don't you think so? Thanks in advance.

Hugs to all!
:grouphug:

[HeatherJJAnderson]

My credentials and I was asked about Cambridge:

1997- 1999: Agro Paris Tech Institute, Paris; M.Sc Biochemistry. 1999-2001: M.Sc Cell Biology, University Montpellier II, France. 2001 2003: PHD Microbiology Cambridge University. To answer a question that was asked of me my fondest memory of Cambridge will always be the day I got my PHD at the Senate House, they have formal diploma ceremonies four times a year, I loved Cambridge, the river Cam, and I made some lifelong friends in Claire College.

Heather... it's Clare College. You spelled it wrong.


http://bunnyabroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/cambridge-clare-college-sign.jpg

Yes thanks Bill, I am aware of that. It comes from answering questions at 2am after an usually long day, to be honest I thought I put Clare not Claire :p

The reason the Claire is put quite often instead of Clare is thanks to what the students read Bill the student rag is called Clareification, and in school we called it the Claires, as in "pass the Claires" and this was adopted as you might note into many other facets of slang, as you might imagine. To further this allow me to also state I knew Jozef Tarrant before he became the editor of the paper and dated him for a short time after.

My favorite lecturer was Professor Carlos Hormaeche, who very sadly died in 2005, his work was outstanding and it was a great loss to the world and such a senseless one. Even though he had retired when I had started he was engaging and still loved to lecture... Literally every time you said hello to the professor you got lectured, but this was a wonderful thing as he was alternative thinker, he thought outside the realms of what was considered normal.
During my time we were going to have Professor Sharon Peacock, and I had hoped for her but she chose to leave Oxford and go to Thailand instead of Cambridge. Richard Smith lectured on a regular basis and when ever I see Alex Jones I think Richard Smith!

People often ask where I took the name Heather from and it was from an idol of mine Heather L Hendrickson, one of the best public speakers I have ever had the privilege to be in the presence of I attended her Bio-informatics Approach at Duquesne University
Departmental Seminar Series in 2006.
If people want to listen then they shall if they do not then does it really matter? Not really whats going to happen in these programs will continue and what happened will continue. You can be sure that my full report on the information will clarify things for you Bill. I shall endeavor to use APA style and properly cite any references that I might need to use, if an example is needed, just in case some can't keep up with the level of work.

I spoke to Ben, I apologized to him, I don't think he and I are on the same page, we do not see eye to eye on many issues and I feel that I have lost a good friend. It's difficult for one to accept that.... What was done was wrong and it's something I lament.

Midnight Rambler: Thanks for the honesty, this forum seems to believe that grammar is a precedent for intelligent posting, no one is perfect.

[Gaia]

I don´t buy into the whole Heather story at all!! But aren't you being a bit of a grammar Nazi here? Please do not take offence, but it does not prove anything IMO.

OK, the spelling is off, but also consider, everyone makes typos so that can easily be her excuse and you then don´t have a leg to stand on other than saying that its suspicious.

Well one would think with someone with her credentials would remember how to spell the college that she has such fond memories of would get it right. And I would also think that the career she's in, one would have to be impeccable with letters and numbers.

Even educated people don't necessarly have great writing skills or a good grammar and spelling. Doesn't have anything to do with if the person is well educated.

[Icecold]

I had hope in gaining insite, but the light is all but diminished...

Thank you for your attention and research Bill.

Rich

Rich. I truly am sorry Mate.

I know how much you wanted this information.

My heart goes out to you brother.

I pray that you do eventually obtain the information your looking for and resolve the problem.

Best wishes and good luck in your search.

Be with us, if there is anything I come across that I think will help you, I'll PM you in an instant.

Icecold

[Carmody]

My credentials and I was asked about Cambridge:

1997- 1999: Agro Paris Tech Institute, Paris; M.Sc Biochemistry. 1999-2001: M.Sc Cell Biology, University Montpellier II, France. 2001 2003: PHD Microbiology Cambridge University. To answer a question that was asked of me my fondest memory of Cambridge will always be the day I got my PHD at the Senate House, they have formal diploma ceremonies four times a year, I loved Cambridge, the river Cam, and I made some lifelong friends in Claire College.

Heather... it's Clare College. You spelled it wrong.


http://bunnyabroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/cambridge-clare-college-sign.jpg

Yes thanks Bill, I am aware of that. It comes from answering questions at 2am after an usually long day, to be honest I thought I put Clare not Claire :p

The reason the Claire is put quite often instead of Clare is thanks to what the students read Bill the student rag is called Clareification, and in school we called it the Claires, as in "pass the Claires" and this was adopted as you might note into many other facets of slang, as you might imagine. To further this allow me to also state I knew Jozef Tarrant before he became the editor of the paper and dated him for a short time after.

My favorite lecturer was Professor Carlos Hormaeche, who very sadly died in 2005, his work was outstanding and it was a great loss to the world and such a senseless one. Even though he had retired when I had started he was engaging and still loved to lecture... Literally every time you said hello to the professor you got lectured, but this was a wonderful thing as he was alternative thinker, he thought outside the realms of what was considered normal.
During my time we were going to have Professor Sharon Peacock, and I had hoped for her but she chose to leave Oxford and go to Thailand instead of Cambridge. Richard Smith lectured on a regular basis and when ever I see Alex Jones I think Richard Smith!

People often ask where I took the name Heather from and it was from an idol of mine Heather L Hendrickson, one of the best public speakers I have ever had the privilege to be in the presence of I attended her Bio-informatics Approach at Duquesne University
Departmental Seminar Series in 2006.
If people want to listen then they shall if they do not then does it really matter? Not really whats going to happen in these programs will continue and what happened will continue. You can be sure that my full report on the information will clarify things for you Bill. I shall endeavor to use APA style and properly cite any references that I might need to use, if an example is needed, just in case some can't keep up with the level of work.

I spoke to Ben, I apologized to him, I don't think he and I are on the same page, we do not see eye to eye on many issues and I feel that I have lost a good friend. It's difficult for one to accept that.... What was done was wrong and it's something I lament.

Midnight Rambler: Thanks for the honesty, this forum seems to believe that grammar is a precedent for intelligent posting, no one is perfect.

No, to the point..if you were for real, you'd be dead within about 3 post cycles.

It really is that simple.

Your only chance would be to dump the data.

with data that a mere 0.0001% of the population could understand..and if it is that dangerous.....then you'd be found. You'd not survive it's slow unveiling.

No purpose whatsoever to withhold and slowly bring it out as some sort of stage play.

The only scenario that is served in that case, is one of a psyop.

The only way to do it, at all is Dump it and run. Dump it on about few dozen places and then get that portal point out to people, one portal 'data drop' point at a time. Ie, fight a back running battle. Your only chance at survival.

Anything else has you dead, by now...if you are for real.

Ergo, this has very very high odds of being a psyop.

The potential dangers and response to and of the data.... does not fit the capacity to post on any forum, whatsoever.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

I hope Bill you know that a Ghoul is not referred to as simply a nasty imp like demon, but they do have other names, allow me to present my research and all shall be revealed, whilst you have no reason to trust me, all I ask for is one afternoon once I have finished in order to present this information. I do however want to point out something, It matters not who or what I am, all that matters is the information is presented in a clear fashion.

[GoldenYears]

I don´t buy into the whole Heather story at all!! But aren't you being a bit of a grammar Nazi here? Please do not take offence, but it does not prove anything IMO.

OK, the spelling is off, but also consider, everyone makes typos so that can easily be her excuse and you then don´t have a leg to stand on other than saying that its suspicious.



Well one would think with someone with her credentials would remember how to spell the college that she has such fond memories of would get it right. And I would also think that the career she's in, one would have to be impeccable with letters and numbers.

Even educated people don't necessarly have great writing skills or a good grammar and spelling. Doesn't have anything to do with if the person is well educated.

Yes that's true, but if I was going to present myself to a forum as a whistleblower with credentials, I'm going to make darn sure all my t's are crossed and all my i's are dotted.

[Celine]

Lots of talk...if you need to get a presentation ready...why are you here posting?

[HeatherJJAnderson]

My credentials and I was asked about Cambridge:

1997- 1999: Agro Paris Tech Institute, Paris; M.Sc Biochemistry. 1999-2001: M.Sc Cell Biology, University Montpellier II, France. 2001 2003: PHD Microbiology Cambridge University. To answer a question that was asked of me my fondest memory of Cambridge will always be the day I got my PHD at the Senate House, they have formal diploma ceremonies four times a year, I loved Cambridge, the river Cam, and I made some lifelong friends in Claire College.

Heather... it's Clare College. You spelled it wrong.


http://bunnyabroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/cambridge-clare-college-sign.jpg

Yes thanks Bill, I am aware of that. It comes from answering questions at 2am after an usually long day, to be honest I thought I put Clare not Claire :p

The reason the Claire is put quite often instead of Clare is thanks to what the students read Bill the student rag is called Clareification, and in school we called it the Claires, as in "pass the Claires" and this was adopted as you might note into many other facets of slang, as you might imagine. To further this allow me to also state I knew Jozef Tarrant before he became the editor of the paper and dated him for a short time after.

My favorite lecturer was Professor Carlos Hormaeche, who very sadly died in 2005, his work was outstanding and it was a great loss to the world and such a senseless one. Even though he had retired when I had started he was engaging and still loved to lecture... Literally every time you said hello to the professor you got lectured, but this was a wonderful thing as he was alternative thinker, he thought outside the realms of what was considered normal.
During my time we were going to have Professor Sharon Peacock, and I had hoped for her but she chose to leave Oxford and go to Thailand instead of Cambridge. Richard Smith lectured on a regular basis and when ever I see Alex Jones I think Richard Smith!

People often ask where I took the name Heather from and it was from an idol of mine Heather L Hendrickson, one of the best public speakers I have ever had the privilege to be in the presence of I attended her Bio-informatics Approach at Duquesne University
Departmental Seminar Series in 2006.
If people want to listen then they shall if they do not then does it really matter? Not really whats going to happen in these programs will continue and what happened will continue. You can be sure that my full report on the information will clarify things for you Bill. I shall endeavor to use APA style and properly cite any references that I might need to use, if an example is needed, just in case some can't keep up with the level of work.

I spoke to Ben, I apologized to him, I don't think he and I are on the same page, we do not see eye to eye on many issues and I feel that I have lost a good friend. It's difficult for one to accept that.... What was done was wrong and it's something I lament.

Midnight Rambler: Thanks for the honesty, this forum seems to believe that grammar is a precedent for intelligent posting, no one is perfect.

No, to the point..if you were for real, you'd be dead within about 3 post cycles.

It really is that simple.

Your only chance would be to dump the data.

with data that a mere 0.0001% of the population could understand..and if it is that dangerous.....then you'd be found. You'd not survive it's slow unveiling.

No purpose whatsoever to withhold and slowly bring it out as some sort of stage play.

The only scenario that is served in that case, is one of a psyop.

The only way to do it, at all is Dump it and run. Dump it on about few dozen places and then get that portal point out to people, one portal 'data drop' point at a time. Ie, fight a back running battle. Your only chance at survival.

Anything else has you dead, by now...if you are for real.

Ergo, this has very very high odds of being a psyop.

The potential dangers and response to and of the data.... does not fit the capacity to post on any forum, whatsoever.

This is why when the information is delivered, I will disappear, and I would be careful.. if you know what the "real" data is then be sure you are top of their list simply for knowing. Please grow up, people like you get others killed, all your talk of Psyop and what they can do, you must be one of them to know what they can do. I know because I am one of them.

To Clarify I will be in touch with both Bil and Kerry even if I have leave. I have said I'll do a interview, I have met you all halfway.

[Celine]

----------

Heather, it seems - as far as I can tell, but I'm still waiting on some replies to messages - that your unusual Eastern European surname, which you gave on your forum application, is not on the Alumni list for Clare College, nor in the Cambridge Library where all PhD theses should be cataloged.

Can you provide a reference to the name you used when you were a student there?

As a scientist, you'll understand that there's a still-increasing amount of anomalous data here, and hypotheses are generated which must be tested.

One hypothesis is that you have invented everything for reasons known only to yourself. That's easy to refute, if you can show that you are a PhD Microbiologist. Many thanks for considering doing that, in whatever way you can.

If you cannot respond to this heather... then there is NO point reading anything you present.

I think the forum needs a "debunked" subforum... so we can list them and all can see

[Carmody]

Either you or Charles has to move forward in some fashion. Soon. Very soon.

A cynical paranoid view, which is a valid position to have in your list of potential list of views (to figure this thing out), is that this one here (Heather) is an attempt at ping-pong between the two stories on this forum.

Each chess game finally comes to a point where a real move has to be made and the actual game begins. In some cases the preamble is the point of the game, ie distraction. Delaying tactics. There is no game. The game is the preamble and it's very reason for being enacted lies within it.


Murbank (however you spell his name) in Germany, for example.

None of us are trying to unravel that potential scenario. We're using up our intellectual steam in areas that cannot bear fruit in the immediate sense, which may be the entire point.

Due to this, the level of intelligent discourse and thus ripples in the net/blog sphere that would normally take place, are not happening. A nexus point for timely rumination of data has been clogged, on all fronts. Which may be the entire point.

Bill's forum is full of smart discerning people.

This can be a problem for those who try to break the pattern of intelligent people sharing information and getting things done, things done for the sake of the people of this planet.

This presents a problem, so longer and more convoluted games need to be created and enacted out in order to puncture that balloon and get it off the net.

In the context of that, Heather....Who are you?

[Icecold]

Don't meet with this person Bill. Just let her send you the data.

I love the way your mind works Carmody. ;)


This is an attempt to get Kerry involved in the Charles material.

Celine will love that.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Because I am working right now whilst also posting on here, I will put the information together this weekend when my time is not so taxed by work. ;)

[Carmody]

The reality is that if it is real, you'd be dead.

[Celine]

Because I am working right now whilst also posting on here, I will put the information together this weekend when my time is not so taxed by work. ;)

Oh well you make it sound so imperative...

Kind of a tease arent you?

[ace]

Bonjour Heather

During you stay at Agro Paris Tech, were did you stay in Paris.,?

Pendant votre séjour à l'Agro Paris Tech, ont été as-tu rester à Paris.?

Merci
Ace

[HeatherJJAnderson]

The reality is that if it is real, you'd be dead.

Carmody, that is the reality I faced, and who is to say I am not.

[meeradas]

I think the forum needs a "debunked" subforum... so we can list them and all can see

no bad idea, this...

[Gaia]

Bonjour Heather

During you stay at Agro Paris Tech, were did you stay in paris.,?

Pendant votre séjour à l'Agro Paris Tech, ont été as-tu rester à Paris.?

Merci
Ace

Pendant votre séjour à l'Agro Paris Tech... Combien de temps y êtes-vous resté ?

I couldn't resist:o

[Celine]

Salut Quebec!! le Paris du Nord Amerique!

Heather... It would be easy to prove who you are.

About that alumni list....any answers to Bill queries?

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Bonjour Heather

During you stay at Agro Paris Tech, were did you stay in Paris.,?

Pendant votre séjour à l'Agro Paris Tech, ont été as-tu rester à Paris.?

Merci
Ace

Yes, I stayed at my brothers apartment in Rue Parrot.

[ace]

Bonjour Heather

During you stay at Agro Paris Tech, were did you stay in paris.,?

Pendant votre séjour à l'Agro Paris Tech, ont été as-tu rester à Paris.?

Merci
Ace

Pendant votre séjour à l'Agro Paris Tech... Combien de temps y êtes-vous resté ?

I couldn't resist:o

Tous les chemins vont à Rome ...
mais merci pour ça
Ace

[Icecold]

The reality is that if it is real, you'd be dead.

Carmody, that is the reality I faced, and who is to say I am not.

That would make you a Zombie Heather, not a Ghoul.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Salut Quebec!! le Paris du Nord Amerique!

Heather... It would be easy to prove who you are.

About that alumni list....any answers to Bill queries?

qui dit que je suis américain?

[4th Sky]

I don't know why anyone is wasting their time on the Heather material again. It was bogus the first time around. She won't even answer simple direct questions. We don't let people get away with that around here unless they tell us stories about their 5000 year old master.

[ace]

Bonjour Heather

During you stay at Agro Paris Tech, were did you stay in Paris.,?

Pendant votre séjour à l'Agro Paris Tech, ont été as-tu rester à Paris.?

Merci
Ace

Yes, I stayed at my brothers apartment in Rue Parrot.

Pouvez-vous me dire le nom du Restaurant de l'Agro Tech Paris et à quel étage il est sur?

Merci

Ace

[HeatherJJAnderson]

The reality is that if it is real, you'd be dead.

Carmody, that is the reality I faced, and who is to say I am not.

That would make you a Zombie Heather, not a Ghoul.

I will go out on a limb and assume you actually know what a Ghoul is...

[Icecold]

I don't know why anyone is wasting their time on the Heather material again. It was bogus the first time around. She won't even answer simple direct questions. We don't let people get away with that around here unless they tell us stories about their 5000 year old master.

LMAO ..... :focus:

Why don't you enlighten the members Heather? A ghoul?

Also maybe you can tell them what a Zombie is?

[Celine]

Salut Quebec!! le Paris du Nord Amerique!

Heather... It would be easy to prove who you are.

About that alumni list....any answers to Bill queries?

qui dit que je suis américain?

J'ai pas dit que tu l’était... tu na pas compris qu'es ce que j;ai écrit.

So back to that alumni list...if you do not want to say it publicaly...you can pvt Bill...he is good at keeping secrets.

[Gaia]

Salut Quebec!! le Paris du Nord Amerique!

Heather... It would be easy to prove who you are.

About that alumni list....any answers to Bill queries?

qui dit que je suis américain?

Hummm ! Sound alike French Canadian shenanigans. Ça sonne Canadien français, Joanie Hein C'est bien ça... surtout t'en va pas...

[Carmody]

The reality is that if it is real, you'd be dead.

Carmody, that is the reality I faced, and who is to say I am not.

I made a 20-30 minute stand up (in front of a crowd) report for a public speaking course for a technical degree,when I was 21.

The report I gave, was on "the Philadelphia Project,and the veracity of Einstein's unified field theory". It was vague and poorly done, with no backing of any sort.

That alone has caused me to be on a permanent watch list ---since that date. That's Twenty Six Years Back.

I even know my damn liaison/watcher, for Christ's sake! He's a nice guy, but as one might expect-- just a tad paranoid.

Different people I know have designed not one, but TWO back bones for ocean-to-ocean telecommunications networks.

I was into computers and communications systems as they went from analog to digital. I was involved in BBS systems when we could hop across a county without ever paying any long distance charges.

I just yesterday ran into a man who showed me how they piggybacked data packages in the old days, before the internet. Fascinating story, I can tell you.

The moment he began to get into the meat of the explanation, a pile of stuff sitting behind us fell over. Boom! crash! This startled him and he simply decided that he had to immediately...go. And he nearly ran.

IT is these last points that allow me to give Charles a bit more rope (evidence of potential psychic/dimensional disturbances), at the same time I try to do my personal best to protect this forum from a potential damage scenario.

I'm highly intelligent and one would ALSO have to fool me on the dimensional psychic level as well. I bring my LOGIC to my psychic data, not just my love, etc.

In my life and understanding, unless you do data dumps and run, and not sit and sip coffee at work (an absolute impossibility if you are for real), your time here is done.

Charles is running out of rope, too...... and he knows it. There are two ropes he has. The rope he gives us and the rope we give him.

[jorr lundstrom]

The feeling guys, the feeeeling.:faint:

[firstlook]

Lots of talk...if you need to get a presentation ready...why are you here posting?

Céline, for someone who talks about love alot, it would be inspiring to others to have some some respect in exchange, even to those you dont believe deserve.

Peace :)

[MariaDine]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5gb4b_les-reptiliens-du-mythe-a-la-realit_webcam

Namasté

[Lettherebelight]

Heather, Joannie, as an member of this forum, I consider you a comrade.

I'm sure you understand that it is not advantagous for you to employ cheating tactics on those that wish you well. After all, who wants to suffer?

You are finding it difficult to convince people here, I'm not saying that I'm one of them. But people have told me that I can be gullible. I guess we're all capable of making mistakes.

Should we close the thread until you have compiled your report?

Things aren't moving forward here, although I am enjoying the conversational french. Il est tres interesent :)

[Icecold]

Charles is running out of rope, too.

I think he's on schedule.

And, as our happy circle sat,
The fire well capp'd the company:
In grave debate or careless chat,
A right good fellow, mingled he:

He seemed as one of us to sit,
And talked of things above, below,
With flames more winsome than our wit,
And coals that burned like love aglow.


Heather, you and I both know that you are not taking offence at anything said here.

Why don't you have a word with the members here and let them know that we
are engaging in a friendly banter. Just to ease their minds. :cool:

[Carmody]

We're moving into the dimensional energy pattern (dual eclipse cycle) that the original interview and the subsequent release of the interview with Charles was done.

It happens now. Two days before the moon. That is why I said in Bill's "Poll Results" thread..that you have one day of rest, then we are back on the wave of it again.

To give you an idea, I tried the drug Salvia divinorium once. A high potency dose. Blew me right out of my body for about 11-12 minutes, minimum. I was so freaked I was gone from my body completely. My body absolutely freaked. I had (seemingly) to swim through timelines to find the right one on the way back. it was quite tricky. when I came to, I was absolutely soaked from head to toe.

It was so dang potent, that I felt it in my body the next day, for over a week. but ONLY when the earth hit the same energetic point, in time and spin (angle of energy interference of hyperdimensional waves)..that I tried it at. 11pm, each day, for over a week, until the echos in multidimensional/holographic/'whateveryoumaycallit' space of it's occurrence..finally died down enough so I could not feel it anymore.

We now hit that moment in the spin of energies (that surround the earth and it's motion) where the Charles interview took place and was released. Except two months later.

This is snooker of timelines, in 3d temporal play.

This particular full moon (full moon timing cycles that have been perfectly struck in time and sequence, like hitting a bell, to build the energies up) is a moment where the energies and their angles of interaction predict a sideways shift of some sort.

It's like pushing a swing three times in a row to build the energies, and then when it peaks high, a sideways slap at it's peak.

watch for it.

[Limor Wolf]

I dont know about this Heather Material..

"it seems that the cow wants to nurse more than the calf wants to suckle".

[Celine]

Lots of talk...if you need to get a presentation ready...why are you here posting?

Céline, for someone who talks about love alot, it would be inspiring to others to have some some respect in exchange, even to those you dont believe deserve.

Peace :)

How was I disrespectful?

I am ..and never was... "all love"... I am for balance...

I am all heart...and heart includes many different passionate emotions..some positive..some negative.

[firstlook]

Lots of talk...if you need to get a presentation ready...why are you here posting?

Céline, for someone who talks about love alot, it would be inspiring to others to have some some respect in exchange, even to those you dont believe deserve.

Peace :)

How was I disrespectful?

I am ..and never was... "all love"... I am for balance...

I am all heart...and heart includes many different passionate emotions..some positive..some negative.

I only ask you consider that many people look up to your standings in this forum. I hope you will consider this fact.

Peace :)

[Gaia]

I dont know about this Heather Material..

"it seems that the cow wants to nurse more than the calf wants to suckle".

We're actually doing her a favor...

[MariaDine]

....

Reptilians are here, this is only Charles's say so and he does not know everything. He only knows what pertains to him, even then that must be questioned....

I feel impelled to make a comment here.

For those of you not familiar with my posts, I've been researching this extraterrestrial phenomenon since the early 1960's. I discovered information regarding the reptilian presence in the mid 1970's. I consider myself well informed regarding these Draconian Reptiles. I could lists several pages of links to verify what I'm saying, but I don't see the need for that in the context of this discussion.

I might point-out, the reptillian presence is extra-dimensional, not extraterrestrial. This fact can be verified by the thousands of publicly available testimonies regarding the 'manifestation' process involved in 'invoking' the presence of a reptilian life-form.

Call these rituals demonic, Satanic, lower astral, or whatever other name you prefer to apply. The fact remains these reptillian lifeforms DO NOT reside within this particular dimension, therefore, "here on earth".

Charles may be quite correct in stating there are no reptiles on earth. This may quite possibly be a clever manipulation of the facts to suit another reptilian agenda.

They are very clever at what they do....

I'm all in favor of letting Heather express her story without all the petty nitpicking....

--------------

I'm also in favor of letting H. express her story.
And yes, they are multidimensional and clever.
Namasté Observer

[Celine]

Lots of talk...if you need to get a presentation ready...why are you here posting?

Céline, for someone who talks about love alot, it would be inspiring to others to have some some respect in exchange, even to those you dont believe deserve.

Peace :)

How was I disrespectful?

I am ..and never was... "all love"... I am for balance...

I am all heart...and heart includes many different passionate emotions..some positive..some negative.

I only ask you consider that many people look up to your standings in this forum. I hope you will consider this fact.

Peace :)

Thank you... and I do.

It is important to follow passions...

and protecting my family from liars and deceivers is important to me.

[Icecold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKtadARBiYY





You are finding it difficult to convince people here, I'm not saying that I'm one of them. But people have told me that I can be gullible. I guess we're all capable of making mistakes.

LetTherBeLight:hug:

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Charles is running out of rope, too.

I think he's on schedule.

And, as our happy circle sat,
The fire well capp'd the company:
In grave debate or careless chat,
A right good fellow, mingled he:

He seemed as one of us to sit,
And talked of things above, below,
With flames more winsome than our wit,
And coals that burned like love aglow.


Heather, you and I both know that you are not taking offence at anything said here.

Why don't you have a word with the members here and let them know that we
are engaging in a friendly banter. Just to ease their minds. :cool:


Icecold you are a cool in my book :) no offense taken, though I am not schizophrenic ;)

[Gaia]

Lots of talk...if you need to get a presentation ready...why are you here posting?

Céline, for someone who talks about love alot, it would be inspiring to others to have some some respect in exchange, even to those you dont believe deserve.

Peace :)

How was I disrespectful?

I am ..and never was... "all love"... I am for balance...

I am all heart...and heart includes many different passionate emotions..some positive..some negative.

I only ask you consider that many people look up to your standings in this forum. I hope you will consider this fact.

Peace :)

Thank you... and I do.

It is important to follow passions...

and protecting my family from liars and deceivers is important to me.

Tu si passionné Céline. Merci pour tes bons mots:)You're so a passionate person Céline. Thank you for your good words:)

[firstlook]

Heather, you and I both know that you are not taking offence at anything said here.

Why don't you have a word with the members here and let them know that we
are engaging in a friendly banter. Just to ease their minds. :cool:

Mind at ease always. Simply trying to keep the flow of information going. The banter perhaps can come after the work.

Just some thoughts. Not Demands.

:)

[Icecold]

Icecold you are a cool in my book no offense taken, though I am not schizophrenic

Thanks Heather. I think you have a lot of fortitude dear. :kiss:

[Carmody]

We're moving into the dimensional energy pattern (dual eclipse cycle) that the original interview and the subsequent release of the interview with Charles was done.

It happens now. Two days before the moon. That is why I said in Bill's "Poll Results" thread..that you have one day of rest, then we are back on the wave of it again.

To give you an idea, I tried the drug Salvia divinorium once. A high potency dose. Blew me right out of my body for about 11-12 minutes, minimum. I was so freaked I was gone from my body completely. My body absolutely freaked. I had (seemingly) to swim through timelines to find the right one on the way back. it was quite tricky. when I came to, I was absolutely soaked from head to toe.

It was so dang potent, that I felt it in my body the next day, for over a week. but ONLY when the earth hit the same energetic point, in time and spin (angle of energy interference of hyperdimensional waves)..that I tried it at. 11pm, each day, for over a week, until the echos in multidimensional/holographic/'whateveryoumaycallit' space of it's occurrence..finally died down enough so I could not feel it anymore.

We now hit that moment in the spin of energies (that surround the earth and it's motion) where the Charles interview took place and was released. Except two months later.

This is snooker of timelines, in 3d temporal play.

This particular full moon (full moon timing cycles that have been perfectly struck in time and sequence, like hitting a bell, to build the energies up) is a moment where the energies and their angles of interaction predict a sideways shift of some sort.

It's like pushing a swing three times in a row to build the energies, and then when it peaks high, a sideways slap at it's peak.

watch for it.

There may be a dual pronged play going on... or two different camps on line here, to see who gets to deflect or control these naturally (or planned at the creator level) occurring energies that affect us to our core, individually and collectively.

The dimensional steering of 3D temporal Humankind. The pattern plays out in the records and known considerations tied to astrology. This is why the magi are part of the controlling structure.

These next two days should be interesting. The deflection energy peaks on the 18th, along with the full moon.

Since it is a 'square' in astrological terms and this is 3d reality vs dimensional energies, the energies of the square may be the two playing camps --themselves.

All scenario are on the table, but the actions, motion and subsequent result WILL play out.

There is no doubt of that.

If one is aware, they can see the gears of the machine turning.

What did John Lennon Say? (I'm just sittin' here watching the wheels go round and round"...)

:) smile.

You are on your own camera.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

I do trust Bill, I know he is on the right side, perhaps not the winning side but the one that pushes the knife in and stands their ground. I have seen nothing on this forum that is not worth defending or fighting for. More important nobody that is wasting talents that they have. This debate and the reaction I have had is a very positive one, and Avalon is clearly on the right path.
I would prefer to give my information to Bill one on one, as I am not very far from him, perhaps a meeting could be arranged in month or two, but that is totally up to Bill.

I have to do some more work now as I am neglecting my duties, it is pleasure to be here, it a pleasure to be challenged and to see bright minds in the darkness that surrounds us. The average person strives to be what you all are, remember that. To close this for now, Ghoul is a person that steals the identities of fallen agents and members of black programs, but one can only be a Ghoul if one is an agent oneself. This is where the program defines the word Ghoul from the word thief.

[Icecold]

Carmody:


There may be a dual pronged play going on... or two different camps on line here, to see who gets to deflect or control these naturally (or planned at the creator level) occurring energies that affect us to our core, individually and collectively.

Bingo. Now your getting it Carmody. Good show old chap. :cool:

[Arrowwind]

Passion is fine, living with heart is great. But we have the higher centers in the head for a reason...
to mediate and discern. They have to work together for balance.

[Lettherebelight]

"it seems that the cow wants to nurse more than the calf wants to suckle".

Right after Carmody's in depth lunar cycle analysis (thanks for that btw!), this gem from Limor had me roley loley. :) ...ain't it the truth!

[firstlook]

Passion is fine, living with heart is great. But we have the higher centers in the head for a reason...
to mediate and discern. They have to work together for balance.

Indeed, trust comes from self awareness. :)

[Icecold]

This is a worry.


I would prefer to give my information to Bill one on one, as I am not very far from him, perhaps a meeting could be arranged in month or two, but that is totally up to Bill.

because of this....


Ghoul is a person that steals the identities of fallen agents and members of black programs, but one can only be a Ghoul if one is an agent oneself.

[Ahkenaten]

Yes I do remember you gave your support fully to Heather/Joanie Kerry, so how come she is not on your forum. I would have thought with all the support you did give her the first thing she would have done is go to Camelot.


Actually Heather was very helpful on the subject of the machine a few weeks ago at Camelot..

Céline would being nice really hurt all that much, is there really a need for attitude.

but I thought Celine loves everyone?

[Ahkenaten]

Either you or Charles has to move forward in some fashion. Soon. Very soon.

A cynical paranoid view, which is a valid position to have in your list of potential list of views (to figure this thing out), is that this one here (Heather) is an attempt at ping-pong between the two stories on this forum.

Each chess game finally comes to a point where a real move has to be made and the actual game begins. In some cases the preamble is the point of the game, ie distraction. Delaying tactics. There is no game. The game is the preamble and it's very reason for being enacted lies within it.


Murbank (however you spell his name) in Germany, for example.

None of us are trying to unravel that potential scenario. We're using up our intellectual steam in areas that cannot bear fruit in the immediate sense, which may be the entire point.

Due to this, the level of intelligent discourse and thus ripples in the net/blog sphere that would normally take place, are not happening. A nexus point for timely rumination of data has been clogged, on all fronts. Which may be the entire point.

Bill's forum is full of smart discerning people.

This can be a problem for those who try to break the pattern of intelligent people sharing information and getting things done, things done for the sake of the people of this planet.

This presents a problem, so longer and more convoluted games need to be created and enacted out in order to puncture that balloon and get it off the net.

In the context of that, Heather....Who are you?

Right on Carmody - more to the point WHAT is "she"?!

[greybeard]

It seems there is a over whelming desire to know things that are mainly of the past.
Do we drive a car looking out the back window?
Occasional glance in the mirror is good.
We now know that there is a controlling elite that our DNA may well have been tampered with, that UFOs are a reality.

I now know that the elite are scare stiff of only one thing, and that the rising consciousness of mankind.
That rising of consciousness will make impossible for the old ways to survive, the days of the elite are numbered

So they distract us with stories belonging in the past.

Whistle blowers have made a very valuable contribution but it is time to look to the future.

David Wilcock
David Icke
Eckhart Tolle
Nasim Haramein
Dr David Hawkins are all saying similar.

The answer is in raising of consciousness it is happening, avoid distractions into negativity, strife, fighting.

Im not going to post videos containing information they are all ready on the forum,
Marcel Messing says dont start anything big the implication being you wont have time to finish it.
Hawkins says time is short the path narrow and straight Gloria jn Excelsis Deo. He says we are about to have a change in perception.
Ike says we need to change our perception, it is all in our mind let go of fear, there is only love.
Tolle In A New Earth says that healers are the anchors for the new energy that is coming in (millions of books sold, (5 Million watched him for 14 shows on Oprah Winfrey TV)

Is something happening?
You bet get on it, let go of the past, the enemy, the powers that be.
Keep it simple.
Past who needs it.
We have learned from it I hope or are we off on another flavor of the month celebrity guest/quest?
I am not saying their experiences are not real or of value its a question of priorities
It is not where we have been but where we are going that seems important to me.

chris
Namaste

[firstlook]

Good post greybeard.

I think the issue with whistle blowers is to give people a wider aspect of who they are? Past, Present, and Future all exist in the same space. Its good to use this so as to allow all information to support everyones individual intuition about where they find themselves.

The information I think is just as much about Why, as it is about When. And not why, agenda wise, but also as a character study. This is as much a look into the hearts and minds who commit these actions, as much as it is about the plans.

More and More people are learning to forgive these actions in order to raise the consciousness of people who are stuck in a world of secrecy. Its not just about those who are looking to raise the vibrations, but including those who think they dont want to.

I think the whistle blower avenue is something special for both parties.

"Sometimes a person finds their destiny on the road they took to avoid it." - The International

:)

[Celine]

Yes I do remember you gave your support fully to Heather/Joanie Kerry, so how come she is not on your forum. I would have thought with all the support you did give her the first thing she would have done is go to Camelot.


Actually Heather was very helpful on the subject of the machine a few weeks ago at Camelot..

Céline would being nice really hurt all that much, is there really a need for attitude.

but I thought Celine loves everyone?


I do.

Attitude? do you think love is only "lolipops and sunshine"?

[Carmody]

I think that the point, to some degree, will be the weathering of the storm of reality, of our own making.

A shake-up, to break the mindset, to some degree.

This forum, for one, is being 'stress-tested'.

The meaning of the above is open to individual interpretation, as is always.

At the end of this full moon cycle, we will have SEVEN 'hot' planetary alignments, which is seven difficult points to navigate, in a row.

Simply look up what the 'transit' of each means, on the internet.

The 7 will be in RED. (on the linked page)

If you want to know what is about to go on, in the basics of the flow, it WILL be necessary to look at those transits. Don't get lazy, grow up and take charge of your future. Look into the pressures that will be brought to bear on you, in the multi-dimensional time flow sense.

You do want to know, don't you?

Then look at this site, see the alignments from feb-20th to the 27th..and go on the net and find those 'transits'. See what is said about them, as afar as the energies they represent will play out on the personal and world stage. Don't look up personal horoscope transits, but the general transits. You will start to see the shape of it.

Re the interpreting of transits:It isn't a list of results, it is merely the rule book for the energy flow directions. One built on over 7000 years of observation. Think about that. How you shape it and deal with your own components of that, is up to you.

http://www.astroprofile.com/2011sky.htm

It will be an interesting ride. Things will likely happen.

[Kerry Cassidy]

Yes I do remember you gave your support fully to Heather/Joanie Kerry, so how come she is not on your forum. I would have thought with all the support you did give her the first thing she would have done is go to Camelot.


Actually Heather was very helpful on the subject of the machine a few weeks ago at Camelot..

Céline would being nice really hurt all that much, is there really a need for attitude.

but I thought Celine loves everyone?


I do.

Attitude? do you think love is only "lolipops and sunshine"?

****

Actually, Heather is posting on our forum...

Cheers,

Kerry

[Swami]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbYwBy7BbXE

[Limor Wolf]

Yes I do remember you gave your support fully to Heather/Joanie Kerry, so how come she is not on your forum. I would have thought with all the support you did give her the first thing she would have done is go to Camelot.


Actually Heather was very helpful on the subject of the machine a few weeks ago at Camelot..

Céline would being nice really hurt all that much, is there really a need for attitude.

but I thought Celine loves everyone?


I do.

Attitude? do you think love is only "lolipops and sunshine"?

****

Actually, Heather is posting on our forum...

Cheers,

Kerry


Good! than we are all settled than :)

[Celine]

Yes I do remember you gave your support fully to Heather/Joanie Kerry, so how come she is not on your forum. I would have thought with all the support you did give her the first thing she would have done is go to Camelot.


Actually Heather was very helpful on the subject of the machine a few weeks ago at Camelot..

Céline would being nice really hurt all that much, is there really a need for attitude.

but I thought Celine loves everyone?


I do.

Attitude? do you think love is only "lolipops and sunshine"?

****

Actually, Heather is posting on our forum...

Cheers,

Kerry

Good to hear! not sure what that has to do with my post though.

Though i would assume you only wanted to quote Lita..

Integrity is a big currency in this field...I am very careful where I invest.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Actually Heather was very helpful on the subject of the machine a few weeks ago at Camelot..

****

Cheers,

Kerry

Hugs Kerry and smiles, long time no see...

I like your tagline, I wrote Field of Dreams years ago after a trip to Nirvana...


Field of Dreams

inviting, soft, colorful, fragrant fields
carefully touching, flower softly yields
bee's wing tenderly brushes, inside the tulips
hummingbird floating, in and out, small little dips

butterfly flutters, gently it settles
honey dripping from velvety pedals
large buck bends down nibbling the flowers
massively strong above it towers

meandering peaceful trail, leaf slowly drifts
river rushes forward, feeding natures gifts
crystal clear treasure, powerful water falls
thick emerald forest, hugs smooth rocky walls

plunging deeper, swirling, tugging, flows
bubbling pool, dancing mist, rainbow glows
majestic purple clouds, evening sun sets
blanket of silence spreads, quietly wets...

Copyright © 2011 Rocky Shorz

[4th Sky]

Hi Joanie,

Nice to see you resurfacing... Assuming it really is you.

What would really be nice is for Ben and you to receive a real apology from Bill Ryan for his conduct way back when I went through hell and high water to release your material... The merits were there for all to see in the original material regardless of the subterfuge and necessity of avoiding the echelon bots etc.

At any rate you go girl and you are welcome at the Camelot Forum anytime.

Blessings,

Kerry

This is such a joke.

If the merits were there for all to see then how come nearly everyone didn't take the material seriously and still don't? How come you're so defensive about the Heather material that you'll still post in your own defense of it xx months later?

Instead of Bill apologizing I would appreciate an apology from Kerry for posting nonsense on her blog that is viewed by hundreds of thousands. Here is the followup post after she edited it because she was spammed by hundreds of people, myself included, informing her that she has no idea of how simple web technology works and Youtube is not in fact conspiring against her.

Kerry's blog - April

The Unbearable Lightness of Being...uh Youtube

Ok I get it. The Youtube cookies thing. But this is the issue I have... I have a youtube directors account. I clear my cookies regularly and don't go to youtube that often. All I can say is that this has never happened before. Now, either their tracking spider just got a whole lot smarter or there is something up. Most of the time, what they put on as recommended is complete nonsense. And another person saw the same thing. Whatever. The above is a reference to a movie of that name, minus the Youttube reference.


The problem with Kerry is that she hears something that "resonates" with her and then spouts it off like its fact when it really needs more investigation before being touted as truth or she just ends up looking like a fool.

Bill has said he respects her for being very brave. One would have to be brave to say the things she says in public and still expect to be taken seriously.

I wouldn't be so worked up about it except that she's ended up in a position of intellectual authority in some circles and in my opinion she does not handle that position responsibly.

Anyway, that's enough from me. There's a reason I'm on the PA forum and not the PCP forum.

[Arrowwind]

Midnight Rambler: Thanks for the honesty, this forum seems to believe that grammar is a precedent for intelligent posting, no one is perfect.

Yes, I would say that grammer is a precedent for intelligent communication. The issues you are talking about merit careful examination to determine truth or game playing. This is what project Avalon is about... getting to the bottom of things and I can only assume this is why you are here, because you want to reveal the bottom line.

I must assume that your education level far surpasses mine, yet I endeavor to make my communication clear and to the point at all times and when I find errors in my previous posts I go back and correct them for those reading at a later date. Grammer is essential for coherent communication. I do not come here just to spout off or make slight remarks and try to insult people's intelligence. I have something to say in my writing and I would have to assume that what you have to say might be much greater than me but I do myself and others the respect of good communication skills...Someone of your level should know such skills and conform accordingly, seeing the magnitude and importance of your message, if true. Why would you want to compromise it?

I am more forgiving of spelling errors and many are from poor typing and being in a hurry... but none the less, you came here to communicate important information about serious issues and activities that you partiipated in. I would assume that you are trying to redeem your soul to some extent. It seems to me you would have the interest in making a decent presentation considering the magnitude of damages you claim you participated in.

You should not mask any scientific inclinations in your writing. It is an insult to dumb down to an audiance. Give definations where people not of your trade would likely need clarifications.

That being said, your last post was better in grammer than previous ones.

[MariaDine]

http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/EarthfilesPodcast/Episode62.html

I post this here as a reminder that there are many stories out there they need to be listen to.
Maybe the interview with Heather is a good idea.
Namasté

[crosby]

just wanted to say hi and welcome to pa too kerry. nice to have you here.
warmest regards, corson

[perfectresonance]

Hi there Joanie (Heather)

First, let me say I am impressed by you composure, good manners and incredible patience you have shown everyone.

Everything else aside, I think it sets an excellent example how we can all interact on Avalon. We scrutinise the message while respecting the messenger. Take a bow.

Next, as one of the people who has been openly skeptical of some of the content of two of your posts, you still took the time to talk to me directly and share some other information for me to check out. Thank you.

All that brings me back to this:

--- Why did you so obviously copy (and slightly alter) sections of an on-line patent and presented it as your own writing?

You must have expected that people would find it within minutes?

People in the academic world know that plagiarism spells the end of a career.

What did you hope to achieve by being so blatant about it?

and

--- Why are you so cavalier about your safety now?

You have given me enough information that I can actually track down your actual home address (I'd need a search warrant, but that's nothing to those that might want to deal with you)

What has changed where you feel you can be open and approachable now?

[ROMANWKT]

Lots of talk...if you need to get a presentation ready...why are you here posting?

Céline, for someone who talks about love alot, it would be inspiring to others to have some some respect in exchange, even to those you dont believe deserve.

Peace :)

How was I disrespectful?

I am ..and never was... "all love"... I am for balance...

I am all heart...and heart includes many different passionate emotions..some positive..some negative.

I only ask you consider that many people look up to your standings in this forum. I hope you will consider this fact.

Peace :)

Hi
As soon as one implies that they are, I assure you one Is not.
regards
roman

[Janos]

That being said, your last post was better in grammer than previous ones.

Cute.

Either that's intended, or an epic fail. ;)

Post Scriptum: I have no idea whether this is a BS donut with truth sprinkles or not. I'm waiting for the revised material to be presented, and I'll take a look at it from there.

I have absolutely NO prejudgments, one way or another, about this material, and I am always a bit leery about letting other, more 'qualified' individuals tell me what I should believe.

Everyone should look at everything themselves, take from it what they can or will, and then move on from there.

If you need to have your 'truth' presented to you all gift wrapped with perfect spelling and grammar, methinks ye just might be missing something.

'Truth' is just the current limitations of your current perception. It will change and evolve as your perception changes and evolves. What is 'truth' for you, may not be for me, or vice versa.

One could say an apple is an apple, and nothing will change that. Another could say an apple is merely a collection of atoms, (or other subatomic particles, what have you), and is merely energy. Who would be right? Maybe both. Maybe neither.

(But thankfully, whatever it is, is still tastes like an apple!) :)

[VajraYaya]

Hi Joanie,

Nice to see you resurfacing... Assuming it really is you.

What would really be nice is for Ben and you to receive a real apology from Bill Ryan for his conduct way back when I went through hell and high water to release your material... The merits were there for all to see in the original material regardless of the subterfuge and necessity of avoiding the echelon bots etc.

At any rate you go girl and you are welcome at the Camelot Forum anytime.

Blessings,

Kerry

This is such a joke.

If the merits were there for all to see then how come nearly everyone didn't take the material seriously and still don't? How come you're so defensive about the Heather material that you'll still post in your own defense of it xx months later?

Instead of Bill apologizing I would appreciate an apology from Kerry for posting nonsense on her blog that is viewed by hundreds of thousands. Here is the followup post after she edited it because she was spammed by hundreds of people, myself included, informing her that she has no idea of how simple web technology works and Youtube is not in fact conspiring against her.

Kerry's blog - April

The Unbearable Lightness of Being...uh Youtube

Ok I get it. The Youtube cookies thing. But this is the issue I have... I have a youtube directors account. I clear my cookies regularly and don't go to youtube that often. All I can say is that this has never happened before. Now, either their tracking spider just got a whole lot smarter or there is something up. Most of the time, what they put on as recommended is complete nonsense. And another person saw the same thing. Whatever. The above is a reference to a movie of that name, minus the Youttube reference.


The problem with Kerry is that she hears something that "resonates" with her and then spouts it off like its fact when it really needs more investigation before being touted as truth or she just ends up looking like a fool.

Bill has said he respects her for being very brave. One would have to be brave to say the things she says in public and still expect to be taken seriously.

I wouldn't be so worked up about it except that she's ended up in a position of intellectual authority in some circles and in my opinion she does not handle that position responsibly.

Anyway, that's enough from me. There's a reason I'm on the PA forum and not the PCP forum.

Bullseye 4th..

Kerry comes here demanding that Bill apologize for doing what she said in her venomous blog post he CAN'T do, ask critical question in an investigative mode. How she sees her world seems related to which side of the bed she gets up from.

Kerry has deeply imbedded VICTIM consciousness and programming she is not aware of, so she always relates to victims and their stories, no questions asked. Of course the Heather story is a victim story so she automatically relates to it and holds it true WITHOUT AN OUNCE OF CRITICAL THOUGHT. Her victim nature obviously seems to relate to male energy and you can clearly, OBVIOUSLY see how those energies trigger her. You could see it in how she related to bill and how their interviews were conducted. Look at the Greer fiasco, and the recent blog post eviscerating bill. She is DEEPLY triggered there. Just read her words. They are not those of someone who is able to creatively evaluate and respond to a situation or information, they only indicate the pattern of unconscious reaction. No surprise she uses a jaguar in her logo.

This is what makes Kerry and Camelot a perfect target for anybody wanting to spread disinformation. Because of her victim perception and deep identity with victim stories, she can be counted on to quickly REACT in very specific ways that will see her spread anything they may want. She is very dependable in this way and so easy to trigger. I would also argue that many of her faithful followers share the same perceptions. You can see how some of them have brought that energy to these forums.

I had been waiting for Bill and Kerry to split for a long time and was very happy when they did. Now Bill is free to go out and operate unencumbered by her baggage, to approach whistleblowers from a more whole, healed and more highly evolved perspective which Kerry simply cannot understand or do until she finds a way to heal. It would do a great service to her cause if she could take some time away and look after this. There are some great therapeutic practices that can very effectively release the kind of trauma that she carries. I wish her deep and complete healing and if it happens would be happy to listen to her more measured responses to people in her work.

I believe that Charles would never have showed up if Bill and Kerry were still together. Kerry will see that statement as proof of the truth of her perception on the matter. But the reason is that it would have been impossible to get any information out in any kind of sane or evolved manner when he would be constantly bombarded by her REACTIONS. I’m sure than any interview they conducted together would have made the Greer fiasco look tame in comparison. She speaks the dogma of divide and conquer when she is doing so much of the dividing herself, coming from her deeply divided self.

I trust bills insight, and calm, measured (Yes Kerry, VERY measured) and more evolved approach to approach his subjects. That is why I am here on Avalon and ignore everything from Kerry and Camelot.

Humbles all ‘round

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I do however want to point out something, It matters not who or what I am, all that matters is the information is presented in a clear fashion.

It matters a great deal who you are if we are to give any weight to your claims and story. I'd like to review your material, but not until I know that I am not wasting my time on fiction.


took my post doc in the University of California
Oh good, my neck of the woods. Where did you study in the UC system? This should be easy for Bill to verify. Your discharge DD form 214 copied to Bill would also clear things up nicely.

I know I'm not up to speed on this, so if clear verification has already been offered, someone please just hand me a donut and point me towards it.


What would really be nice is for Ben and you to receive a real apology from Bill Ryan for his conduct

With all respect Kerry, and I do mean that, perhaps best handled in PM. I hate it when mom and dad fight.

[Hiram]

Kerry is entitled to her opinion about the material as she is a member here at Avalon. Lets show everyone the same respect we would like to be shown.

With that being said the 800lb Gorilla in the room is:

The material that has been presented seems to have been poorly plagiarized. When presented to an expert in the field he called it: "Bull#$It"

There is also a person who is posting as Heather; first from Florida, then from Germany???

I don't know how much more clear I can be than that.

I feel like I am being very fair here.

Those are the facts.

If those facts don't indicate there is something wrong here....can someone please describe for me a scenario where something IS wrong????

Seems like I'm checking all the boxes.

[perfectresonance]

There is also a person who is posting as Heather; first from Florida, then from Germany???


If you check my wall (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?171-perfectresonance), you will see an explanation from Joanie as to how she can be in Palm Bay Florida and near Frankfurt Germany at the same time.

EDIT: THis would be a better link to click as the messages are in sequence. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/converse.php?u=3579&u2=171)

[Hiram]

Thanks res....

That explanation is *plausible* yet the invalidity of the technical information *Heather provided casts a serious doubt the IP story is likely. Though it is plausible.

As you are well aware all data points must be evaluated individually and collectively.

[Janos]

There is also a person who is posting as Heather; first from Florida, then from Germany???


If you check my wall (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?171-perfectresonance), you will see an explanation from Joanie as to how she can be in Palm Bay Florida and near Frankfurt Germany at the same time.

EDIT: THis would be a better link to click as the messages are in sequence. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/converse.php?u=3579&u2=171)


I can send you an email if you want to check yourself or yet again, You can call either of us and put an end to this foolishness

So then call. Pick up the phone, dial the country code, and see if she is where she says she is. Can't be that hard, can it?

[Ahkenaten]

however - we should all bear in mind that the grist for a website's viability is traffic and nothing breeds heavy traffic more than controversy............and that includes internal squabbling between founding parents, members, etc. etc. Therefor, things are not always as they seem and usually have some very pragmatic reasons for occurring........or, at the least - serve a practical purpose.

[davyj0nes]

This is a worry.


I would prefer to give my information to Bill one on one, as I am not very far from him, perhaps a meeting could be arranged in month or two, but that is totally up to Bill.

because of this....


Ghoul is a person that steals the identities of fallen agents and members of black programs, but one can only be a Ghoul if one is an agent oneself.


I dunno, this all sounds very suspicious, I wouldn't meet with this person, sounds like a ghoul, if i were you Bill.

[Lunar]

Yes I do remember you gave your support fully to Heather/Joanie Kerry, so how come she is not on your forum. I would have thought with all the support you did give her the first thing she would have done is go to Camelot.


Actually Heather was very helpful on the subject of the machine a few weeks ago at Camelot..

Céline would being nice really hurt all that much, is there really a need for attitude.

but I thought Celine loves everyone?


I do.

Attitude? do you think love is only "lolipops and sunshine"?

Without respect love it just a word

[perfectresonance]

I can send you an email if you want to check yourself or yet again, You can call either of us and put an end to this foolishness

So then call. Pick up the phone, dial the country code, and see if she is where she says she is. Can't be that hard, can it?

I have a polite request out for Joanie to send me an email from her home computer - as she so kindly offered.

Once that is established, I am indeed going to phone and/or Skype if she agrees to it.

I have publicly corrected my original guess that Ben=Joanie. I no longer think this is the case.

So a phone call to prove Joanie is a separate and distinct human being from Ben is rather pointless now.

I'm also aware that if Joanie is going to spend quality time with anyone, it probably shouldn't be me.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Whiskey_Mystic: True, I could also show my R-PAS too, but at this stage in the game as I said I will happily give that to Bill.

VajraYaya: it’s a joke then stay and laugh, or walk away, I deserve no apology from Bill I do not deserve one, I instigated much of this madness and I lament doing so. Your Bill vs. Kerry fantasy came true, as you appear to jump on Kerry the first chance that you have. You said yourself you waited for them to split, so I don’t see any reason why you would portray anything other than what you are antagonistic.

Celine: I like your mothering instinct but, it is not needed here, nobody is in danger or needs protection, I do not believe in love myself, it is a simple electrical impulse and nothing more. There is a story of a man that was in a car crash and damaged the frontal lobe of his brain. He went from a caring and loving husband and father to not caring if they lived or died. The brain dictates love; the soul does not understand the function of love. This is why we come here to experience it in physical form. That is quite esoterically lithe even for me.
Ben deserves an apology more than most, simply due to the way he was treated, not by Bill so much by the mob rule that jumps on their prey; the feline is an adequate symbol for both Camelot and Avalon. I know that’s not what you want to hear but it’s true.
Whilst it went bad for Ben, Bill was simply doing his job, as I did mine, I don’t think for one instant that Ben has every blamed Bill for this, he has and rightly so attacked me for my apathy.

Perfectresonace: I like you, I like the way you think and I am would not be surprised if you were a field agent of some kind.
To answer your questions; the question I asked was posed as a question directed at a Icecolds professor of Genetic engineering, I did not say the question was my own, and next time I will cite the question but I actually figured the question was standard, as it’s as common as asking a risk management supervisor, how would they protect their organization from criminal liability? You see it’s simple and if googled thousands of cites will bring up that same question or should.

I also did not want to ask anything as simple as I asked the yesterday such as the C10 H22 question that should not need to be googled, indeed the original question should not have needed to be googled, as it was not aimed at Avalon goers but more of a test for Ice cold’s friend.
Incidentally, Agape got the general premise right and was correct about Influenza. My personal question about the DNA modification was also easy, if and only if ALL the data was present. The first question should be how do you raise a person’s alkaline level like that without killing them?
And then request the data to see how it’s done. Science is like a homicide investigation, without all of the facts it could and in most cases will be made to look like a suicide.

As for sending people to deal with me, I have an ace up my sleeve and, that’s why I am somewhat cavalier about things, but I am cautious, I do not under estimate anybody’s ability on this forum, we all have reasons why we’re here. But I felt I have two options, continue to hide and let this die, or stand up and say I want justice for what was done.

I want Bill to meet me because I want to introduce him to a gentleman I worked with and whom I worked on, his name is Rodger and he was the sole reason that the material was released, because I used the material, as my own personal vehicle to get him out of his then dire situation.
I am would not state that I am openly approachable by any means, it’s how one approaches that dictates what happens as I am far from alone.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

Phoenix university uses this IP address, and when am not working my IP address returns, I can’t teach online without using their IP because it shuts down everything if I open up alternate windows or tabs, in fact you might be able to help me with that.
Note... not the University of Phoenix, security is set up so that when a person takes their post test, or midterm/final they can’t open tabs and search for answers outside of the books they have bought, it goes against the procedures set by Phoenix Uni and they sign an agreement stating that they will adhere to the rules when the class is started.

To add, they also have failed tests in the past because of the volumes, if a book is the 9th edition or the 2010 edition and they look an answer up on line from a previous book that was not updated they might run the risk of failing.

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I'm also aware that if Joanie is going to spend quality time with anyone, it probably shouldn't be me.

I don't know about that Perfectresonance, you have an quality about you that I like :)