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stomy
10th February 2011, 12:14
Information on dangerous produce


http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.naturopathie-holistique.fr%2Faspartame-et-glutamate-monosodique-15-103.html

Midnight Rambler
10th February 2011, 12:21
MSG / E621

This additive has greatly contributed to the obesity epidemic we know today, it also tends to triple the amount of insulin produced by the pancreas, which can cause cases of type 2 diabetes. This additive can make as addictive as nicotine or some hard drugs!

Man, I knew it was bad for you, but never understood what it did. Thank you for the info. Maybe someone out there has additional information about MSG?

omeriko
10th February 2011, 14:38
good one stomy.



Man, I knew it was bad for you, but never understood what it did. Thank you for the info. Maybe someone out there has additional information about MSG?

I'ts all over the web. here are some examples:

This one is about aspartame
http://freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=244

And here are two lectures by the same scientist

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2963728494205235281#


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2141666279271222294#



I've seen them all a year or so back, they should be good, though I can't really remember.
At least I don't remember them as being bad, that counts right?

1159
10th February 2011, 14:46
I thought most people were already aware of these 2 dangerous products. The one to watch out for now is NEOTAME http://www.holisticmed.com/neotame/toxin.html

Also see Monsanto’s Neotame molecule allowed in USDA certified organic foods (http://www.firetown.com/blog/2010/12/23/monsanto’s-neotame-molecule-allowed-in-usda-certified-organic-foods/)

sshenry
10th February 2011, 14:48
I have a horror story for you.

It begins with a dream of idealistic beauty. We live in a society - or at least I live in a society that seems to be obsessed by youth and beauty - and one of the perceptions of beauty here is, of course, being slim.

I fell into that trap - after the birth of my oldest daughter - in spite of exercising regularly -I found myself having what seemed to be an uphill battle with my weight. I started using asparatame - though I wasn't actively seeking it out, I was purchasing "lite" and "diet" products to avoid excess calories. I didn't think twice about it - I really didn't. My youngest was born in 1991.

Round about 2002 I began developing some alarming symptoms that my doctor couldn't find any logical reason for. I was GAINING weight, at an alarming rate, and that in spite of a strict dietary regimen and vigorous exercise. I had also developed extreme pain in my joints - flaming aches that would keep me up long into the night and that prevented me from taking part in some of my favorite activities because it just hurt too much to do it!

By 2006 I had developed a circulartory problem in my legs that wasn't related to my weight and resulted in inflamed "hard" spots under the skin of my legs that itched like the very devil. These would come and go intermittantly - no rhyme or reason.

My doctor was clueless. He tested me for EVERYTHING. I was poked so full of needles I was surprised I could still hold liquid. He sent me to half a dozen different specialists who all looked at different aspects of it - but none of the tests came up with anything. Nothing. Finally he just shrugged and said that we'd have to "keep an eye on it" and that I should continue to work with my nutritionist (who by this time had me down to 800 calories a day AND I WAS STILL GAINING WEIGHT)

A year later I began having trembles of my hands - I'd be doing something as simple as holding my hands over the keyboard and my hands would begin to tremble, noticably, and all the focusing in the world could make them stop. Over that year the trembling became progressively worse, and I was scared to death that I had one of those rare neruological diseases. Needless to say I went BACK to my doctor, who sent me to a nerological specialist who tested me for everything. No dice.

The nerologist actually suggested that I should perhaps take up meditation. I just looked at him and laughed -I'd been practicing meditation since 1996. Originally it had been to help me deal with the depression caused by my weight gain, but by now it had become a distinctive part of my life, and I was finding that holding my hands in mudras for any length of time was becoming increasingly difficult.

It wasn't until 2008, when I was up late one night because the pain in my legs was keeping me awake, that I stumbled across something on the internet that listed the symptoms of "Asparatame Poisoning." As I read through the list (which was presented in a rather alarmist fashion and - I think - had "claims" that it was all a government plot) I couldn't help but stare.

The tremors, the restless legs, the unexplained weight gain, the sever migrain headaches (that I had been attributing to caffine) the dry eyes, the ringing in my ears, the heart palpataions, the itchy skin, the fluid retention - ALL of the things I had been experiencing were on that list.

EVERY SINGLE ONE.

I was dumbfounded. I just stared at it for about half an hour. Unbelieving.

Then I started doing my research - I looked up everything I could find (this time going for less "doom and gloom" sites). They all said th same thing.

So I quit. Just like that in December of 2008, I quit using asparatame.

Within eight months I was beginning to see an improvement - the joints did not hurt as much (or at least weren't keeping me up at night). I was begining to loose weight - slowly mind you, but I was loosing instead of gaining. By January of 2010 the lumps under my skin had disappeared (though they left discolorations of the skin on my legs).

The weight loss has picked up since I've been able to get back into some of my routines (thanks to the reduction in joint pain) and I am down a grand total of 40 pounds - that's half of the 80 pounds I put on during that helacious few years. I still get the trembles - though they are easier to control now, and I can eat up to 2,000 calories a day without gaining weight (though if I want to keep loosing I have to keep it under 1800).

And I've found Stevia! lol - the south american plant extract that works as a sweetener, but that doesn't cause any side affects. But aside from that, the one good thing that has come out of this is that I've learned to listen to my body, to pay attention to what I am puting into it.

I know this has been long - and for me at least, very personal, but I think that by sharing it perhaps I can help someone else to avoid going through what I went through. It's not worth it - really.

king anthony
10th February 2011, 14:56
Another good topic to post as many people still do not know the truth about the chemicals introduced in the food and water - as if genetically modifying basic grains and things is not enough.

sshenry
10th February 2011, 15:27
:cool:
Another good topic to post as many people still do not know the truth about the chemicals introduced in the food and water - as if genetically modifying basic grains and things is not enough.

So true! It literally never crossed my mind to think that it could be as simple as the sweetener for my coffee - the zero calorie sodas and "diet" snack foods. We're conditioned to accept what we're shown - and it takes a concerted effort to look beneath the skin of things and see what's really there.

omeriko
10th February 2011, 17:53
And I've found Stevia! lol - the south american plant extract that works as a sweetener, but that doesn't cause any side affects.


Yes, Stevia is nice. I didn't use the extract though, I bought Stevia leaves.

My friends didn't like it though, so I had to take it out of my camping coffee kit. :(

Kulapops
10th February 2011, 18:21
Funnily enough.. it was looking up the video Sweet Misery... which began my journey down the rabbit hole...all that conspiracy stuff... one visit to Marshall Master's website from there and I arrived at Camelot.

This video is not ookey-kookey though and seemed fairly well backed up... and perfectly respectable for sending to anyone 'normal' you know ;) who might also be into diet drinks....

Though I wonder if I watched it again now, two and a half years on if I'd believe all the 'claims' as I did take on trust then.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6551291488524526735#

Fortunately, two and half years on, I'm back out of the rabbit hole and munching carrots in the sunshine. Though of course, I enjoy watching the passers by :) It's a maze in there !

Kulapops
10th February 2011, 18:56
This sounds like fun too !

Sucralose: What are the cons?

The most misunderstood fact about sucralose is that it is nothing like sugar even though the marketing implies that it is. Sucralose was actually discovered while trying to create a new insecticide. It may have started out as sugar, but the final product is anything but sugar. According to the book Sweet Deception, sucralose is made when sugar is treated with trityl chloride, acetic anhydride, hydrogen chlorine, thionyl chloride, and methanol in the presence of dimethylformamide, 4-methylmorpholine, toluene, methyl isobutyl ketone, acetic acid, benzyltriethlyammonium chloride, and sodium methoxide, making it unlike anything found in nature. If you read the fine print on the Splenda web site, it states that "although sucralose has a structure like sugar and a sugar-like taste, it is not natural."

The name sucralose is misleading. The suffix -ose is used to name sugars, not additives. Sucralose sounds very close to sucrose, table sugar, and can be confusing for consumers. A more accurate name for the structure of sucralose was purposed. The name would have been trichlorogalactosucrose, but the FDA did not believe that it was necessary to use this so sucralose was allowed.

The presence of chlorine is thought to be the most dangerous component of sucralose. Chlorine is considered a carcinogen and has been used in poisonous gas, disinfectants, pesticides, and plastics. The digestion and absorption of sucralose is not clear due to a lack of long-term studies on humans. The majority of studies were done on animals for short lengths of time. The alleged symptoms associated with sucralose are gastrointestinal problems (bloating, gas, diarrhea, nausea), skin irritations (rash, hives, redness, itching, swelling), wheezing, cough, runny nose, chest pains, palpitations, anxiety, anger, moods swings, depression, and itchy eyes. The only way to be sure of the safety of sucralose is to have long-term studies on humans done.

Splenda is a product that contains the artificial sweetener sucralose, but that is not all that it contains. Sucralose does have calories, but because it is 600 times sweeter than sugar, very small amounts are needed to achieve the desired sweetness so you most likely won't consume enough to get any calories. The other two ingredients in Splenda are dextrose and maltodextrin, which are used to increase bulk and are carbohydrates that do have calories. One cup of Splenda contains 96 calories and 32 grams of carbohydrates, which is often unnoticed due to the label claiming that it's a no calorie sweetener. Because this is found in so many products and can be used in cooking, it can be possible to consume 1 cup or more each day. For people with diabetes, this is a significant amount of carbohydrates, and for people who are watching their weight, this can be a problem. Consuming an additional 100 calories a day can result in a weight gain of 10 lbs. per year!

A recent study found that Splenda affected the absorption of medications in rats. The rats were given sucralose at doses of 1.1-11 mg/kg. After 12-weeks, they found that the rats had half of the good bacteria in the gut. They also found that Splenda interferes with the absorption of prescription medications. Other research studies have come out to show that this is not what happens. The only way to know for sure is to perform long-term studies in humans. Unfortunately, this takes time. It can also be dangerous if this is actually happening. The limited number of studies and lack of long-term studies on sucralose means that we are going to have to learn things like this as we go.

http://www.medicinenet.com/artificial_sweeteners/page9.htm

conk
11th February 2011, 17:02
In part we have Mr. Donald Rumsfeld to thank for Aspartame. he was CEO of Searle Corporation, which was purchased by Monstanto. He called in a special favor from Ronald Regan to force the FDA to approve Apartame. So, after 13 years of denials by the FDA, it was essentially approved in the dark of night. The interim head of the FDA then quit and has not been heard of since. He got his pay off and disappeared. Sorry, sorry tale of corruption at the highest levels. www.dorway.com

iceni tribe
11th February 2011, 17:14
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Smith
11th February 2011, 19:31
Did a research paper on MSG for a microbiology course for HIM. Harshes out the hypothalmus, messes with Leptin and Ghrelin. It's Prader Willi in a can man! That and growth hormones in the beef is one of the reasons folks are getting so obese. Avoid at all costs.

Smith
11th February 2011, 19:38
And I've found Stevia! lol - the south american plant extract that works as a sweetener, but that doesn't cause any side affects.


Yes, Stevia is nice. I didn't use the extract though, I bought Stevia leaves.






My friends didn't like it though, so I had to take it out of my camping coffee kit. :(


Real easy to grow. I live in Maryland and they were selling 2" pots at the annual herb festival. Turned into a bush in no time.

blufire
11th February 2011, 20:21
For many years now my mantra has been:

If you can’t pronounce the ingredients . . . . don’t eat it.

If it has been synthesized, processed or genetically altered . . . . don’t eat it


More than this, another philosophy has taken very deep root in my little mind and soul . . . . .

Every region on this extraordinary jewel of a planet that has the capability to be inhabited by mankind has everything in that place mankind needs to thrive.

And so, I have felt compelled to nourish myself and those I’m responsible for only with what can be grown here in my continent, my hemisphere, my latitude and longitude, my state and my county. We eat seasonally and what we have stored canned or dried.

I feel our bodies adapt to the region we live in and by what our heritage is. I believe that by eating foods or using medicinal herbs and plants that are grown outside of our immediate location we are muddling the body’s’ ability to function and thrive at it’s most optimum level.

Just a thought.