Comet Elenin, C/2010 X1

[truthseekerdan]

This guy's interviewing skills are as funny as a rednecks ;) See after the 33rd minute... :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvIP8UKN9hM

[truthseekerdan]

I did not know this was on History channel a while ago. Now this is starting to get interesting nonetheless...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcRmh9hwpYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcRmh9hwpYo

[Referee]

Hello all is there a good source of info on these EMV's on line some where? I would like to learn more.

[greybeard]

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-honolulu/the-event-and-comet-elenin?CID=examiner_alerts_article#ixzz1NxkDNr1U

Interesting article re the the Event on TV

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Hello all is there a good source of info on these EMV's on line some where? I would like to learn more.

Here is a video to get you started. For more info, you can always google... ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVje8wUhNoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVje8wUhNoI


Blessings

[Lifebringer]

Next month, mid June 2011 it is supposed to be visible to US.

[nearing]

I did not know this was on History channel a while ago. Now this is starting to get interesting nonetheless...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcRmh9hwpYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcRmh9hwpYo

Good one! Now, I wonder how this guy spells his name and if he has a web site...i'd love to hear his take on ELENIN.

I found him.

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Next month, mid June 2011 it is supposed to be visible to US.

I don't know how it could be since it's coming up from under our orbital plane. But I hope it is!

[Rocky_Shorz]

is it hiding behind the sun?

[Rocky_Shorz]

At the time of the discovery, the comet was about 647 million kilometers (401 million miles) from Earth. Over the past four-and-a-half months, the comet has – as comets do – closed the distance to Earth's vicinity as it makes its way closer to perihelion (its closest point to the sun). As of May 4, Elenin's distance is about 274 million kilometers (170 million miles).

"That is what happens with these long-period comets that come in from way outside our planetary system," said Don Yeomans of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "They make these long, majestic, speedy arcs through our solar system, and sometimes they put on a great show. But not Elenin. Right now that comet looks kind of wimpy."

How does a NASA scientist define cometary wimpiness?

"We're talking about how a comet looks as it safely flies past us," said Yeomans. "Some cometary visitors arriving from beyond the planetary region – like Hale-Bopp in 1997 -- have really lit up the night sky where you can see them easily with the naked eye as they safely transit the inner-solar system. But Elenin is trending toward the other end of the spectrum. You'll probably need a good pair of binoculars, clear skies, and a dark, secluded location to see it even on its brightest night."... link (http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatch/newsfeatures.cfm?release=2011-135)

so with a good telescope can it be seen now?

[nearing]

is it hiding behind the sun?

If indeed the JPL software is correct and ELENIN isn't a comet but something more massive, then no, it's not behind sun. From here on Earth and looking toward the Sun, it would be way below the Sun and coming up from that angle. In September it will be low and to the left of the Sun and eventually come right between us and the Sun. Then scoot of to the right and up.

[leavesoftrees]

The season finale was a good one, particularly that final image..Pity the show has been cancelled, maybe those behind it had said all that they wanted to say


http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-honolulu/the-event-and-comet-elenin?CID=examiner_alerts_article#ixzz1NxkDNr1U

Interesting article re the the Event on TV

Chris

[nearing]

Here is Dr. Richard Muller's site:

http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/physics10/pffp.html

If I had the time right now (my Board exam is on Friday!) I'd write to him to see how he feels about all of this, especially the Omerborish's paper about the earthquakes and alignments.

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/files/2011/04/Elenin-SoulierB-1024x665.jpg

Comet Elenin is the little blob between the tick marks in this negative image (black stars, white sky) taken on April 20 through a 10-inch telescope. Notice the bit of fuzz around it - that's part of the comet's gaseous envelope called the coma. The galaxy NGC 3376 is at right. Credit: Jean-François Soulier

link (http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2011/04/22/comet-elenin-update-and-an-invisible-planetary-alignment/)

[nearing]

Doesn't look like astrobob read Dr. Omerborish's paper (sp?). LOL.
;)

[truthseekerdan]

Biblical Prophet Jeremiah 25:32, 48:8 Predicts Return of Nibiru aka Planet X as “The Destroyer”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUHM9wnL3Jc

[jcocks]

It just occurred to me....

Many of the British Royals, and many world leaders, are going to be in my home town of Perth for the 2011 CHOGM conference in October...


interesting timing, huh? ;-)

Can anyone dig up any interesting facts about Perth. I know it's closest city to the 23rd parrallel...but what about energy grid lines etc?

What does CHOGM stand for?

Very interesting, indeed. I wonder if there are any underground bunkers Perth. Lord?

Commonwealth Heads Of Government Meeting. It's the shin-dig the commonwealth (ex-british colonies) has every few years to talk about global issues....

Yeah there would no doubt be bunkers in Perth, but I know not where. Perth is also the site of a strong energy vortex. I was having UFO dreams eveery night when I lived there... Perth is also the closest major city to the 33rd parrallel.

[witchy1]

Hey Sid (or other Perthians), have you considred getting involved in "shaping" one of the forums: “This is an unparalleled opportunity for at least 40 Western Australians to discuss the global issues that are important to them,” Mr Gray said. http://www.chogm2011.org/Resources/Latest_News/chance-wa-locals-shape-chogm-agenda

Or you could volunteer and hope to get up close and personal with the guest
http://www.chogm2011.org/Resources/Latest_News/chogm-2011-volunteer-applications-flooding

Thats of course unless the MIB come and pay you a visit and take you away..........what HAVE you been up to - no doubt creating a disturbance in the force

Looks like it starts on October 1st - so my guess is that Perth would be a fine place to be in October.

[Lord Sidious]

Hey Sid (or other Perthians), have you considred getting involved in "shaping" one of the forums: “This is an unparalleled opportunity for at least 40 Western Australians to discuss the global issues that are important to them,” Mr Gray said. http://www.chogm2011.org/Resources/Latest_News/chance-wa-locals-shape-chogm-agenda

Or you could volunteer and hope to get up close and personal with the guest
http://www.chogm2011.org/Resources/Latest_News/chogm-2011-volunteer-applications-flooding

Thats of course unless the MIB come and pay you a visit and take you away..........what HAVE you been up to - no doubt creating a disturbance in the force

Looks like it starts on October 1st - so my guess is that Perth would be a fine place to be in October.

They would see my name and just delete it.
I have messed with them for years, after they started on me.
I don't mind, if my enemy knows I am his enemy, that is ok by me.

[JoeNashville]

I highly recommend you guys (skeptics alike) to listen to this interview which was made before Japan's earthquake, and pay attention (no joke).One thing does not make sense to me -- if the world's sea level is going to rise 400 to 600 feet world wide, then that is a Humongous amount of water, additional water above and beyond what is on this planet now.

There simply is not enough water on the planet to do that; not even close.

The theory is it would be a Tsunami type wave caused by the mass of the body, most likely from south to north and affected by the rotation of Earth... only a whole lost bigger than the Tsunami's we've seen lately!




Unfortunately, the idea that a nearby passing mass - even that big and close, would cause the earth to stop spinning on its axis makes no sense to me either.

I remember doing a physics experiment on secondary school. Spin a bicycle wheel en keep your hands at both sides at the end of the axis.
Try to change the angle of the spinning wheel ... it's very hard or not possible at all. Bikes are able to drive on 2 wheels by this principle.
Boomerangs are stable in flight for the same reason.

So in order to change the axis of the planet you have probably to stop it spinning (or slow down). That would require a lot of energy.

Maybe it's not impossible but at least it's more difficult than most people think ... ;)


Terol's theory is that ELEnin will have strong enough force to manipulate the poles magnetically. That's a lot of force!

There are also other ways. Any movement of large land mass would affect the rotation, though anything less than a mile of axis shift is not worth worrying about imo...

If the earth is expanding or a major crack happens the land masses split the effect could be significant. Can't wait to find out!! :eek:




Please ignore it and get on with the serious business of living your life and seeing out your purpose; whatever you deem it to be.

But what if your purpose is to figure out what is coming and make predictions about it? :o


Here is Dr. Richard Muller's site:

http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/physics10/pffp.html


I read Mueller's book Nemesis which is excellent. I'd love to know what he thinks about this also, but I'd bet money he won't be talking about it.



Doesn't look like astrobob read Dr. Omerborish's paper (sp?). LOL. ;)

I read Omergiberish's paper and it didn't work for me. His data didn't support his hypothesis. He was grasping at straws really and never proved a specific theory, other than you can find some sort of planetary arrangement for whatever earthquake happens. And when you look we have dozens of quakes every day including many 6+, although it's been quiet lately as ELEnin sweeps around the Sun. He threw everything possible in the mix and I'm almost surprised he didn't include other galaxies. :dizzy:

I'm really surprised how many people are citing his paper and obviously haven't read it or didn't understand it.

[jcocks]

Looks like it starts on October 1st - so my guess is that Perth would be a fine place to be in October.

Or not :) Either way, I'm planning to be there for at least some of the CHOGM.... Should be fun. I'll be keeping my eyes and ears open for wierd goings-on in and around Perth during that time...

[lightpotential]

Dear Group,

I have got the latest data from JPL and evaluated the orbit of Elenin, and found that it does come close on 22 September 2011 to a very accurate conjunction with the earth and venus. See my two images, as modelled within Starry Night 6.0 Pro. One is a long range distance shot. The other is a close up of the same event at the same time:

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Close-up image. Same time. Arc separation between Elenin and Venus respecting the Earth = less than 8 minutes of arc:

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Could this close alignment trigger a possible 'flare-up' of Elenin, or a major earthquake on the earth itself?

Keith

[lightpotential]

As a follow up to the above, I wondered if anyone had also heard that a 'flare-up' of Comet P17/Holmes in 2007 on 24 October has been said by the Mayan Council of Elders to have fulfilled the 'Bluestar Prophecy'.

Keith

[golden lady]

Hi Keith
This has been discussed on the thread- Proof that comet Elenin........
In your interview with Kerry you say you hadn't really looked into Elenin. I presume you now have had the chance. I was wondering what your take might be on what you think it may be, a comet or ?
Many thanks.
Love your work by the way.

[Bollinger]

Is this not the most interesting and one of the oldest human past-times? Gathering round a cosy fire, talking about ancient myths passed down from our ancestors, inspirational stories about human conquest and endeavour and how to overcome your fears, win through challenges and defeat the enemy, whatever or whoever it happens to be?

The only difference is we are not in front of a cosy fire in the middle of some remote forest but in front of a screen typing in questions, answers, thoughts, opinions and videos taken from sources such as YouTube which itself is simply another gathering able to accommodate millions of contributors able to share their experiences and talents through the medium of moving electronic images.

If you take out the conspiratorial subtext from all of this, you are in fact left with nothing more than a set of inconsistent, highly contradictory set of assertions and assumptions that are based on observation and conclusion alone.

The underlying context that drives most of the statements and comments on this thread and others like it is that there is some huge, brilliantly executed, superbly planned and maintained global cover-up that encompasses subjects such as our health, world finance, aliens, hidden technology, underground cities, hollow moons, time-machines, teleportation, ancient calendars, mind-control, earth-quake weapons, weather modification, 2012 and I could go on for a good deal longer. The assumption is that certain people get off on power and control and this is their way of attaining it. Sorry, but I don’t buy that argument. Yes, while individually we are selfish and greedy creatures and will sometimes commit acts of violence and hatred towards another because we wish to dominate and control, that does not mean there is a huge body of people acting to achieve this on a global scale. Even if a tiny portion of what is now coursing through the veins of “awakened thinking” were fact, you are still left with a very large WHY?

The above question has not been and cannot be adequately answered by anyone. It is largely based on improvable assumptions. Yes there are evil things being done to humans by other humans? Yes there is ill intent and a very dark side to every one of us but that does not imply nor prove a global cover-up of the kind that feeds the fires in this forum. There is no “mystery” that I can see. Whatever you see that is wrong in this world is so because of our own frailties of mind and insecurities borne out of the innate will to survive which we cannot readily change given the limitations in our current state of evolution, physically and mentally.

People often say we are living in interesting times. Since when has any time in the history of human existence, been uninteresting? The best we can do is hope and expect that the future of humanity, however rough the ride happens to be, is assured and will continue for some time yet and there is not a shred of concrete evidence to suggest otherwise.

You may exchange all sorts of words, opinions and videos that purport to reinforce your view point about how everything is being covered up and that we’re all going to die very soon; but to me, it is all nothing more than fables stoking the flames of mystery and creating short-term religious content in which to believe and revel.

[Jayke]

Hi Keith,

interesting times ahead no doubt, just wondered if you'd heard anything about the venus transit due on june 6 2012

http://www.lunarplanner.com/HCpages/Venus.html

since the mayans associated venus with Quetzalcoatl some people believe june 6 is the true Dec 21 2012 date, there's a belief that when venus and earth align with the sun, venus will cause a solar flare that will push a whole lot of space dust and protons onto our planet, stimulating the awakening of our heart chakra which is what venus is harmonically related to in the music of the spheres or so i'm told, feel free to correct, I know you have more expertise in this area.


“Coatl is the sacred snake whose movements mirror the way that Kundalini energy moves up the spinal column awakening the wheels of light that surround each of the major body centers. When this serpentine energy reaches the crown chakra at the top of the head, we are one with the Universal. Quetzal is the sacred bird that connects Earthly power with the Heavenly realms of the universe. Together the Quetzal and the Coatl are the creatures that are closest to the earth and heaven as well as representing the sacred balance of female and male.

This is the teaching within the name Quetzalcoatl, the teacher/savior deity to the Mayan and other Mexican peoples. According to Mayan tradition, this deity returns at specific times to again instruct humanity. According to the Mayan calendar, we are again in the time when Quetzalcoatl will return, and many people are expecting a savior to rescue us from all our problems.

…the symbol that will herald the coming of this deity, the morning star or the planet Venus. The Mayans say that the savior will come from the East like the shining star. I feel since Venus is the Goddess of love, that “love” will proclaim the coming of the balanced, awakened teacher.”

[truthseekerdan]

Is this not the most interesting and one of the oldest human past-times? Gathering round a cosy fire, talking about ancient myths passed down from our ancestors, inspirational stories about human conquest and endeavour and how to overcome your fears, win through challenges and defeat the enemy, whatever or whoever it happens to be? ...

Nice post Bollinger, but is it relevant to this thread..? :confused:

"This ELE tracking video gives you access to information on how to install coordinate locations pins in Google Sky to begin tracking the ELEnin dwarf star on your computer as part of your own investigation."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhwAj485NwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhwAj485NwU

[JoeNashville]

Is this not the most interesting and one of the oldest human past-times? Gathering round a cosy fire, talking about ancient myths passed down from our ancestors, inspirational stories about human conquest and endeavour and how to overcome your fears, win through challenges and defeat the enemy, whatever or whoever it happens to be?

The only difference is we are not in front of a cosy fire in the middle of some remote forest but in front of a screen typing in questions, answers, thoughts, opinions and videos taken from sources such as YouTube which itself is simply another gathering able to accommodate millions of contributors able to share their experiences and talents through the medium of moving electronic images.

If you take out the conspiratorial subtext from all of this, you are in fact left with nothing more than a set of inconsistent, highly contradictory set of assertions and assumptions that are based on observation and conclusion alone.

The underlying context that drives most of the statements and comments on this thread and others like it is that there is some huge, brilliantly executed, superbly planned and maintained global cover-up that encompasses subjects such as our health, world finance, aliens, hidden technology, underground cities, hollow moons, time-machines, teleportation, ancient calendars, mind-control, earth-quake weapons, weather modification, 2012 and I could go on for a good deal longer. The assumption is that certain people get off on power and control and this is their way of attaining it. Sorry, but I don’t buy that argument. Yes, while individually we are selfish and greedy creatures and will sometimes commit acts of violence and hatred towards another because we wish to dominate and control, that does mean there is a huge body of people acting to achieve this on a global scale. Even if a tiny portion of what is now coursing through the veins of “awakened thinking” were fact, you are still left with a very large WHY?

The above question has not been and cannot be adequately answered by anyone. It is largely based on improvable assumptions. Yes there are evil things being done to humans by other humans? Yes there is ill intent and a very dark side to every one of us but that does not imply nor prove a global cover-up of the kind that feeds the fires in this forum. There is no “mystery” that I can see. Whatever you see that is wrong in this world is so because of our own frailties of mind and insecurities borne out of the innate will to survive which we cannot readily change given the limitations in our current state of evolution, physically and mentally.

People often say we are living in interesting times. Since when has any time in the history of human existence, been uninteresting? The best we can do is hope and expect that the future of humanity, however rough the ride happens to be, is assured and will continue for some time yet and there is not a shred of concrete evidence to suggest otherwise.

You may exchange all sorts of words, opinions and videos that purport to reinforce your view point about how everything is being covered up and that we’re all going to die very soon; but to me, it is all nothing more than fables stoking the flames of mystery and creating short-term religious content in which to believe and revel.

WOW, it must be nice to go through life so ignorant and so blissfully naive and happy, keeping your head in the sand while knocking others for pursuing the hard facts and truths about our history and existence. Which color pill is that? But good for you. I never even got the chance to walk in those shoes and don't know if I would still be taking that pill or could stay happy being blissfully ignorant.

If you don't buy the argument, that's one thing, but if you fail to see it it's because you choose to be ignorant, that's another. There are hundreds of excellent books on a variety of topics, any one of which would enlighten you to the point of changing your opinion. I will neither try to convince you otherwise or point out undeniable facts, but simply acknowledge your point and say... It's one thing to know the facts and remain optimistic that the good people will overcome the bad. It's entirely another to be ignorant of reality and deny it's existence. Sadly I'm sure you know you're not alone.

In terms of this thread and others on the subject, because I've studied the subject thoroughly, I can say you are correct in stating that there is a great deal of misinformation, disinformation, grand standing and hyperbole on the subject of Comet ELEnin on the web. Most people don't do their own research, don't understand what they are seeing and are passing on and dealing with incorrect information. And some sadly are making life decisions based on their ignorance.

However, it is a fact that based on the NASA JPL data, that the last three major quakes have occurred on specific dates when ELEnin aligned directly with the Earth and the Sun. There were also many other significant events that occurred involving ELEnin, all of which I have researched and confirmed myself. But I won't bother you with more facts.

In reality we cannot predict what will happen, but I'm glad to be discussing events, possible causes, probable events and future outcomes. It's a interesting conversation. I hate to think you read this whole threat only to say your proudly ignorant. Oh that's right Dancing with the Stars is over...

It's a great of work to stay so ignorant. Even if that came in a pill, I wouldn't take it.

But either way, I'm looking forward to finding out what happens...

[Bollinger]

WOW, it must be nice to go through life so ignorant and so blissfully naive and happy, keeping your head in the sand while knocking others for pursuing the hard facts and truths about our history and existence. Which color pill is that? But good for you. I never even got the chance to walk in those shoes and don't know if I would still be taking that pill or could stay happy being blissfully ignorant.

If you don't buy the argument, that's one thing, but if you fail to see it it's because you choose to be ignorant, that's another. There are hundreds of excellent books on a variety of topics, any one of which would enlighten you to the point of changing your opinion. I will neither try to convince you otherwise or point out undeniable facts, but simply acknowledge your point and say... It's one thing to know the facts and remain optimistic that the good people will overcome the bad. It's entirely another to be ignorant of reality and deny it's existence. Sadly I'm sure you know you're not alone.

In terms of this thread and others on the subject, because I've studied the subject thoroughly, I can say you are correct in stating that there is a great deal of misinformation, disinformation, grand standing and hyperbole on the subject of Comet ELEnin on the web. Most people don't do their own research, don't understand what they are seeing and are passing on and dealing with incorrect information. And some sadly are making life decisions based on their ignorance.

However, it is a fact that based on the NASA JPL data, that the last three major quakes have occurred on specific dates when ELEnin aligned directly with the Earth and the Sun. There were also many other significant events that occurred involving ELEnin, all of which I have researched and confirmed myself. But I won't bother you with more facts.

In reality we cannot predict what will happen, but I'm glad to be discussing events, possible causes, probable events and future outcomes. It's a interesting conversation. I hate to think you read this whole threat only to say your proudly ignorant. Oh that's right Dancing with the Stars is over...

It's a great of work to stay so ignorant. Even if that came in a pill, I wouldn't take it.

But either way, I'm looking forward to finding out what happens...

The first port of call for any supposition - before you set sail and go searching for evidence recycled from other people’s research who also claim to “know undeniable facts” - is to analyse through logical thinking its implication. Ask yourself, what am I trying to achieve? What am I actually saying?

What is being put before us is the idea that a comet with sufficient mass is making its way towards the orbit of Earth and depending on a certain alignment with its trajectory, there is significant gravitational field effect to cause large earth-quakes. First of all, if our “awakened thinking” will allow us to trust Newton’s law of universal gravitation, the pull between two objects varies inversely as the square of the distance between them and directly with the product of their masses. It says nothing about the angle of incidence. The nearer the two objects are the greater the force of attraction. So you can see that talking about “alignment” is completely irrelevant. In fact, there are occasions in the solar system when all the planets roughly align with each other on one side and the sun on the other and guess what, nothing interesting happens – well other than causing a mild hernia on some old folk.

Do you not see that there is actually no need to go rushing off to find “nuggets of hidden information” because the supposition is flawed and falls over at the first hurdle? If that’s not good enough for you; how about this? People here generally do not trust anything that NASA puts out simply because it is a government-controlled body but you have no qualms about citing JPL data from them. Is NASA so stupid as to publish facts that are going to compromise the cover-up? If not, why are they pouring untreated scorn over all this Elenin stuff at their website?

Anyway, I myself tend to find all this immensely interesting but not so much as to what people say but why they are saying it. It is compelling, immensely important and a highly fertile ground for study.

My own feelings about this in general, and forgive me if it goes somewhat off topic, is that people are not so much waking up (to coin an overused and tired phrase) but more likely we appear to be on the cusp of a significant evolutionary change. I fully admit that it is just an assumption driven by the desire to explain an observation.

[JoeNashville]

WOW again. Do you even read your own writing? Or should I say do you understand it?

I'm starting to wonder. But to answer your point, I'm not recycling anyone's research, and I am frustrated by those that do, including you, but that's another thread. In fact your attempt to ascribe other peoples theories and ideas is hereby uncovered and flatly rejected.

What is being put before us is the idea that a comet with sufficient mass is making its way towards the orbit of Earth and depending on a certain alignment with its trajectory, there is significant gravitational field effect to cause large earth-quakes.

The only person 'putting forth' that argument is you. That's your recycled BS that you're trying to fit in here. In fact I don't think anyone in this thread has said anything like that. So why are you?

I don't think gravity has anything to do with it and have never said that. Nor if you understand what you are quoting about Newton's law does that. You're trying to make the only theory you know fit this for some reason.

'Comet' ELEnin doesn't have the mass to either sustain a 10,800 year orbit or cause gravitational effects on anything. In fact it's so small it would be subject to being affect by other bodies rather than causing them. And that is part of the mystery.

That none of the characteristics you mentioned even apply and if you had studied the matter you would know that. All of the behavior of the 'comet' is outside established patterns and theories and known data.

And I never said anything about random alignments. Though AGAIN, other people and their flawed research have which YOU are recycling. I'm talking about specific alignments on specific days linked to specific events. And those dates and those events are beyond refute.

Moreover, you clearly haven't done any research yourself, because if you had at least looked at the NASA JPL data closely, you would have to admit something is strange. And if you had a curious mind that would motivate you to seek more real data. That is how I got interested in this. So if you want to live in denial, which is fine for you, but don't waste the time of others who are open minded and seeking answers.

And once again you're wrong with your assumptions. A large number of people still trust NASA. Though personally, I'm on the fence and take it with a grain of salt. Whether or not the NASA data is legit is another thread and perhaps a worthy one if you want to explore why JPL would create all this data. Sadly for the discussion of ELEnin and it's parameters is really the only game in town.

The point is the activity doesn't fit into any theory and is anomalous and so the question is why? And if not what could else could it be? And we're open to anything, including a dwarf/binary star, or wherever the evidence leads us.

What we're trying to do here is understand the anomalous aspects of this 'comet' and to the extent possible predict what the future events may be.

I do agree with your point as to why people say what they say. It is especially interesting in your case.

My own feelings about this in general, and forgive me if it goes somewhat off topic, is that people are not so much waking up (to coin an overused and tired phrase) but more likely we appear to be on the cusp of a significant evolutionary change. I fully admit that it is just an assumption driven by the desire to explain an observation.

No forgiveness is required because you were never really on topic, but I would like to answer your question with a question:

Why would 'we' be on the cusp of an evolutionary change or even an awakening when people aren't even using a fraction of the real ability they already have? The universal consciousness is to smart to waste an 'upgrade' on those who aren't even close to understanding in their current position? Never mind, I don't want this to turn into a thread jack...

[Vividity]

On another thread (GD) "Proof that Comet Elenin..." I posted the following last night, but it should be posted here as well:

Like many people I read the Omerbashich paper and was extremely concerned about the possibility of a brown dwarf orbiting our sun on the JPL provided Elenin trajectory. I understood it would be visible only in the southern hemisphere at this time, so I sent emails to several astronomers in New Zealand and Australia. Dr. Andrew Williams of the Perth Observatory was kind enough to send me a lengthy reply:

"The 'paper', and all of the internet speculation about Elenin is complete nonsense. It's also not a refereed, published scientific paper. It has never been formally published, by anyone, in any form - the arXiv site is just a website, you can put whatever writings you want up there, with no review process or permission required. That arXiv website happens to be hosted at Cornell University - Omerbashich doesn't work at Cornell, and has absolutely nothing to do with Cornell, other than uploading his article to their website...

The article is full of meaningless pseudoscientific gibberish ('gravitational shadowing', etc), the statistics are ridiculous, and the data, as he's presented it, is useless to draw any conclusions from. By the time you consider the Earth, Sun, Moon, all the other planets, and this comet 'Elenin', there are dozens of combinations including the Earth and two or more other objects. If he's allowing each of these possible 'alignments' to last for three days (or an unspecified amount longer for ones involving the Sun), then an appreciable fraction of the entire year occurs just before or after one of these 'alignments'.

Look at the numbers. Earth can be paired up with any one of nine other objects, according to his table - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Elenin. Each of these 8 possible pairs 'sweeps out' an imaginary line, extending in both directions, around the rest of the Solar System, as both objects in the pair continue on their orbits. Then, out of these nine pairs, it's an 'alignment' if any one of the remaining 8 other objects happens to be in line with that pair - so there are 72 possible 'alignment' combinations, most of which happen many times per year, some less often, depending on the orbital period of the planets involved. If each lasts three (or more) days, I doubt there's a single day per year when he couldn't claim some sort of 'alignment'...

On top of that, earthquakes occur in clusters, by their very nature - typically a main shock and several aftershocks, or several shocks along the length of a fault, as the plate moves. Most of the 'earthquakes' listed in table 1 are aftershocks, or directly linked to a larger earthquake.

It might be possible to extract some meaning from his data if he'd presented a list of every possible 'alignment' of every combination of planets, comets, Sun and Moon, and counted how many of them coincided with major earthquakes (discounting aftershocks) - and more importantly, how many of them didn't.

As for comet Elenin being a moon of a brown dwarf, that's even more ridiculous. A brown dwarf is, as you point out, just like Jupiter, only heavier. It would be hotter - radiating a lot more infrared - and slightly larger. Like Jupiter, it wouldn't actually generate much visible light, however, like Jupiter, it would be perfectly good at reflecting sunlight - which is how we see Jupiter in the sky, and why it looks so bright.

If there really were a brown dwarf in the Solar System, 270 million kilometers away from Earth (as of May 4, according to JPL - closer now), it would look just like Jupiter, only three times closer, and nine times brighter. After the Sun and the Moon, it would be the brightest thing in the sky, by far, and even a toy telescope would easily show a disk, and bands of cloud. It would have been noticed...

Even if there was some mysterious jet-black non-reflective 'brown dwarf', which is physically impossible, the effects of its gravity would have been obvious for years - asteroids and planets would have been flung out of their orbits as it came in through the Solar System."

Andrew Williams

Ian Musgrave of Australia sent me to his blog for a rebuttal of the Omerbashich paper:
http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/201...rthquakes.html

For me, this topic has now been put to rest.
Cheers

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I was under the impression that to see a brown dwarf you needed a very high-powered telescope or an infra-red telescope - neither of which would be in the possession of amateur astronomers.

It did intrigue me, however,when the Vatican unveiled it's new infrared telescope which they named LUCIFER, which supposedly is an acronym for: "Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research"!!?! - shortly after NASA launched "WISE" which is also infra-red, I became curious as to what was up and wondered what prompted all this attention again for something that could only be seen with infra-red.

[Bollinger]

WOW again. Do you even read your own writing? Or should I say do you understand it?

I'm starting to wonder. But to answer your point, I'm not recycling anyone's research, and I am frustrated by those that do, including you, but that's another thread. In fact your attempt to ascribe other peoples theories and ideas is hereby uncovered and flatly rejected.

What is being put before us is the idea that a comet with sufficient mass is making its way towards the orbit of Earth and depending on a certain alignment with its trajectory, there is significant gravitational field effect to cause large earth-quakes.

The only person 'putting forth' that argument is you. That's your recycled BS that you're trying to fit in here. In fact I don't think anyone in this thread has said anything like that. So why are you?

I don't think gravity has anything to do with it and have never said that. Nor if you understand what you are quoting about Newton's law does that. You're trying to make the only theory you know fit this for some reason.

'Comet' ELEnin doesn't have the mass to either sustain a 10,800 year orbit or cause gravitational effects on anything. In fact it's so small it would be subject to being affect by other bodies rather than causing them. And that is part of the mystery.

That none of the characteristics you mentioned even apply and if you had studied the matter you would know that. All of the behavior of the 'comet' is outside established patterns and theories and known data.

And I never said anything about random alignments. Though AGAIN, other people and their flawed research have which YOU are recycling. I'm talking about specific alignments on specific days linked to specific events. And those dates and those events are beyond refute.

Moreover, you clearly haven't done any research yourself, because if you had at least looked at the NASA JPL data closely, you would have to admit something is strange. And if you had a curious mind that would motivate you to seek more real data. That is how I got interested in this. So if you want to live in denial, which is fine for you, but don't waste the time of others who are open minded and seeking answers.

And once again you're wrong with your assumptions. A large number of people still trust NASA. Though personally, I'm on the fence and take it with a grain of salt. Whether or not the NASA data is legit is another thread and perhaps a worthy one if you want to explore why JPL would create all this data. Sadly for the discussion of ELEnin and it's parameters is really the only game in town.

The point is the activity doesn't fit into any theory and is anomalous and so the question is why? And if not what could else could it be? And we're open to anything, including a dwarf/binary star, or wherever the evidence leads us.

What we're trying to do here is understand the anomalous aspects of this 'comet' and to the extent possible predict what the future events may be.

I do agree with your point as to why people say what they say. It is especially interesting in your case.

My own feelings about this in general, and forgive me if it goes somewhat off topic, is that people are not so much waking up (to coin an overused and tired phrase) but more likely we appear to be on the cusp of a significant evolutionary change. I fully admit that it is just an assumption driven by the desire to explain an observation.

No forgiveness is required because you were never really on topic, but I would like to answer your question with a question:

Why would 'we' be on the cusp of an evolutionary change or even an awakening when people aren't even using a fraction of the real ability they already have? The universal consciousness is to smart to waste an 'upgrade' on those who aren't even close to understanding in their current position? Never mind, I don't want this to turn into a thread jack...


Tut. tut. It doesn’t take much to rattle your cage. There is far too much emotion in your words and anything I say is bound to exacerbate your agitation. That unfortunately leaves little or no hope of discussing anything with you, especially as the insults start flying and the debate descends into the gutter.

So, I take my leave and wish you the best in your endeavours in proving that we are all about to die. Your mind is definitely open but which way is it facing? The funny thing is that if your “the end is nigh” banner turns out to be true I won’t be here for you to tell me “I told you so”. However, when this fizzles out like all the other baseless assertions that litter the “awakened” thinker’s brain, I might be tempted to come here and tell you the very same. Bye.

[kersley]

I think that if elenin is not a comet as some surmise, then some of their scouts are surely around here watching?

It's all good scouting around and watching, But how about doing someting about it? like diverting it's course? Failing that, maybe just blow the thing up.
If they have the technology, why not?

[Tony]

I thought the Georgia Guide Stone had this in mind.
That's why I bought a hat!

Tony

[Cjay]

I think that if elenin is not a comet as some surmise, then some of their scouts are surely around here watching?

It's all good scouting around and watching, But how about doing someting about it? like diverting it's course? Failing that, maybe just blow the thing up.
If they have the technology, why not?

Blowing things up is rarely a good option.

[fradda]

hi vividty, with all the info that's going on one cannot be troubled or confused with it all. I read your post regarding Dr William's email and I too emailed Dr William's regarding my concerns. There are 3 different types of dwarf stars to which one he was referring to. As far as being able to see a dwarf star with the naked eye or binoculars it is virtually impossible, one would need IR technology to capture footage or to visualize the event. He's a link for more info regarding dwarf stars they are not as simple as one would think and are very elusive to find without the IR technology. http://cass.ucsd.edu/~ajb/papers/physicstoday.pdf
Please I'm not into debating only finding out whats good for me an my love ones...
as well I found this video a few hours ago regarding DR Omerbashich research papers he explains at length how he came up with his findings...all this just makes the water even more murky. I emailed Dr William regarding this well please read the link on the brown dwarfs it will enlighten you Dr Burgasser has a PhD in these findings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMES5uBmr24&feature=channel_video_title

Really if something is coming which it is not much time left to see it for what it is...finally with all the Geo events and solar hick ups I tend to be on the side tha Elenin is causing this...


On another thread (GD) "Proof that Comet Elenin..." I posted the following last night, but it should be posted here as well:

Like many people I read the Omerbashich paper and was extremely concerned about the possibility of a brown dwarf orbiting our sun on the JPL provided Elenin trajectory. I understood it would be visible only in the southern hemisphere at this time, so I sent emails to several astronomers in New Zealand and Australia. Dr. Andrew Williams of the Perth Observatory was kind enough to send me a lengthy reply:

"The 'paper', and all of the internet speculation about Elenin is complete nonsense. It's also not a refereed, published scientific paper. It has never been formally published, by anyone, in any form - the arXiv site is just a website, you can put whatever writings you want up there, with no review process or permission required. That arXiv website happens to be hosted at Cornell University - Omerbashich doesn't work at Cornell, and has absolutely nothing to do with Cornell, other than uploading his article to their website...

The article is full of meaningless pseudoscientific gibberish ('gravitational shadowing', etc), the statistics are ridiculous, and the data, as he's presented it, is useless to draw any conclusions from. By the time you consider the Earth, Sun, Moon, all the other planets, and this comet 'Elenin', there are dozens of combinations including the Earth and two or more other objects. If he's allowing each of these possible 'alignments' to last for three days (or an unspecified amount longer for ones involving the Sun), then an appreciable fraction of the entire year occurs just before or after one of these 'alignments'.

Look at the numbers. Earth can be paired up with any one of nine other objects, according to his table - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Elenin. Each of these 8 possible pairs 'sweeps out' an imaginary line, extending in both directions, around the rest of the Solar System, as both objects in the pair continue on their orbits. Then, out of these nine pairs, it's an 'alignment' if any one of the remaining 8 other objects happens to be in line with that pair - so there are 72 possible 'alignment' combinations, most of which happen many times per year, some less often, depending on the orbital period of the planets involved. If each lasts three (or more) days, I doubt there's a single day per year when he couldn't claim some sort of 'alignment'...

On top of that, earthquakes occur in clusters, by their very nature - typically a main shock and several aftershocks, or several shocks along the length of a fault, as the plate moves. Most of the 'earthquakes' listed in table 1 are aftershocks, or directly linked to a larger earthquake.

It might be possible to extract some meaning from his data if he'd presented a list of every possible 'alignment' of every combination of planets, comets, Sun and Moon, and counted how many of them coincided with major earthquakes (discounting aftershocks) - and more importantly, how many of them didn't.

As for comet Elenin being a moon of a brown dwarf, that's even more ridiculous. A brown dwarf is, as you point out, just like Jupiter, only heavier. It would be hotter - radiating a lot more infrared - and slightly larger. Like Jupiter, it wouldn't actually generate much visible light, however, like Jupiter, it would be perfectly good at reflecting sunlight - which is how we see Jupiter in the sky, and why it looks so bright.

If there really were a brown dwarf in the Solar System, 270 million kilometers away from Earth (as of May 4, according to JPL - closer now), it would look just like Jupiter, only three times closer, and nine times brighter. After the Sun and the Moon, it would be the brightest thing in the sky, by far, and even a toy telescope would easily show a disk, and bands of cloud. It would have been noticed...

Even if there was some mysterious jet-black non-reflective 'brown dwarf', which is physically impossible, the effects of its gravity would have been obvious for years - asteroids and planets would have been flung out of their orbits as it came in through the Solar System."

Andrew Williams

Ian Musgrave of Australia sent me to his blog for a rebuttal of the Omerbashich paper:
http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/201...rthquakes.html

For me, this topic has now been put to rest.
Cheers

[bennycog]

how many earthquakes do we get when saturn, or jupiter line with earth and the sun? or is their relationship with earth totally different?

[DoubleHelix]

Consider this - Could this be a smokescreen in order to trigger HAARP based Earthquakes on dates where the apparent Elenin is aligned with earth and other planetoids ? ? ?

[bennycog]

Just like using lord rael to blame god for other other harrp related activities..
opinion only.

either way they are using them dates for some kind of mischief the cheeky sh#ts.

[Shocking Display]

On another thread (GD) "Proof that Comet Elenin..." I posted the following last night, but it should be posted here as well:

Like many people I read the Omerbashich paper and was extremely concerned about the possibility of a brown dwarf orbiting our sun on the JPL provided Elenin trajectory. I understood it would be visible only in the southern hemisphere at this time, so I sent emails to several astronomers in New Zealand and Australia. Dr. Andrew Williams of the Perth Observatory was kind enough to send me a lengthy reply:

"The 'paper', and all of the internet speculation about Elenin is complete nonsense. It's also not a refereed, published scientific paper. It has never been formally published, by anyone, in any form - the arXiv site is just a website, you can put whatever writings you want up there, with no review process or permission required. That arXiv website happens to be hosted at Cornell University - Omerbashich doesn't work at Cornell, and has absolutely nothing to do with Cornell, other than uploading his article to their website...

The article is full of meaningless pseudoscientific gibberish ('gravitational shadowing', etc), the statistics are ridiculous, and the data, as he's presented it, is useless to draw any conclusions from. By the time you consider the Earth, Sun, Moon, all the other planets, and this comet 'Elenin', there are dozens of combinations including the Earth and two or more other objects. If he's allowing each of these possible 'alignments' to last for three days (or an unspecified amount longer for ones involving the Sun), then an appreciable fraction of the entire year occurs just before or after one of these 'alignments'.

Look at the numbers. Earth can be paired up with any one of nine other objects, according to his table - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Elenin. Each of these 8 possible pairs 'sweeps out' an imaginary line, extending in both directions, around the rest of the Solar System, as both objects in the pair continue on their orbits. Then, out of these nine pairs, it's an 'alignment' if any one of the remaining 8 other objects happens to be in line with that pair - so there are 72 possible 'alignment' combinations, most of which happen many times per year, some less often, depending on the orbital period of the planets involved. If each lasts three (or more) days, I doubt there's a single day per year when he couldn't claim some sort of 'alignment'...

On top of that, earthquakes occur in clusters, by their very nature - typically a main shock and several aftershocks, or several shocks along the length of a fault, as the plate moves. Most of the 'earthquakes' listed in table 1 are aftershocks, or directly linked to a larger earthquake.

It might be possible to extract some meaning from his data if he'd presented a list of every possible 'alignment' of every combination of planets, comets, Sun and Moon, and counted how many of them coincided with major earthquakes (discounting aftershocks) - and more importantly, how many of them didn't.

As for comet Elenin being a moon of a brown dwarf, that's even more ridiculous. A brown dwarf is, as you point out, just like Jupiter, only heavier. It would be hotter - radiating a lot more infrared - and slightly larger. Like Jupiter, it wouldn't actually generate much visible light, however, like Jupiter, it would be perfectly good at reflecting sunlight - which is how we see Jupiter in the sky, and why it looks so bright.

If there really were a brown dwarf in the Solar System, 270 million kilometers away from Earth (as of May 4, according to JPL - closer now), it would look just like Jupiter, only three times closer, and nine times brighter. After the Sun and the Moon, it would be the brightest thing in the sky, by far, and even a toy telescope would easily show a disk, and bands of cloud. It would have been noticed...

Even if there was some mysterious jet-black non-reflective 'brown dwarf', which is physically impossible, the effects of its gravity would have been obvious for years - asteroids and planets would have been flung out of their orbits as it came in through the Solar System."

Andrew Williams

Ian Musgrave of Australia sent me to his blog for a rebuttal of the Omerbashich paper:
http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/201...rthquakes.html

For me, this topic has now been put to rest.
Cheers

I agree. Stop building your bunkers. Mods close thread and .....out

[greybeard]

Regardless of the truth of it.
Its a question of priorities.
We are in this world for a short time.
So I think it is important to take care of one self and family and others as best you can.
Have extra food in etc in case the solar max creates problems getting money from cash machines and therefore food.
If nothing happens it wont go to waste.

My priority apart from that is to raise my personal spiritual energy as best I can by
Being kind to all life, including my own, no matter what.
Not always easy-- if it was everyone would hopefully do it all of the time..
So comet or brown star I am prepared as best I can be.

Chris

[giovonni]

from the thebarcaroller site
http://www.youtube.com/user/thebarcaroller

here's his outlook and perspectives in regards to this incoming cosmic object...?

Video checklist of the proposed key dates for the rest of 2011 from the passage of comet Elenin, with upto date JPL tracking and other alignments i have found.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfsevq1Neww&feature=uploademail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfsevq1Neww&feature=uploademail

[JoeNashville]

Here is Dr. Richard Muller's site:

http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/physics10/pffp.html

If I had the time right now (my Board exam is on Friday!) I'd write to him to see how he feels about all of this, especially the Omerborish's paper about the earthquakes and alignments.


I read Muller's book Nemesis and it was great! I bought Physics for Future Presidents and look forward to reading that. I think I'll take the online course as well!



giovonni has graciously given the green light to post this here. :thank_you2:

Check out the pdf for *very* interesting reading regarding the topic(s) here:


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Has anyone else read this paper? It is a good summary of the ins and outs of the ELEnin story, but has a couple of errors. One in particular says June 15 is a date of interest because that's when ELEnin enters the solar system. When in fact it entered our solar system over 10 years ago. Moreover it doesn't pass Mars to enter the inner solar system until about June 25, so I'm wondering what he meant by the June 15 date.

Personally I'm watching for June 14, because on that date ELEnin will be equal distance from the Sun and Earth and in the past that has caused several events. So I'm looking forward to that.



On another thread (GD) "Proof that Comet Elenin..." I posted the following last night, but it should be posted here as well:

Like many people I read the Omerbashich paper and was extremely concerned about the possibility of a brown dwarf orbiting our sun on the JPL provided Elenin trajectory...

... The article is full of meaningless pseudoscientific gibberish ('gravitational shadowing', etc), the statistics are ridiculous, and the data, as he's presented it, is useless to draw any conclusions from. By the time you consider the Earth, Sun, Moon, all the other planets, and this comet 'Elenin', there are dozens of combinations including the Earth and two or more other objects. If he's allowing each of these possible 'alignments' to last for three days (or an unspecified amount longer for ones involving the Sun), then an appreciable fraction of the entire year occurs just before or after one of these 'alignments'...

As for comet Elenin being a moon of a brown dwarf, that's even more ridiculous...

... Even if there was some mysterious jet-black non-reflective 'brown dwarf', which is physically impossible, the effects of its gravity would have been obvious for years - asteroids and planets would have been flung out of their orbits as it came in through the Solar System."

Andrew Williams

For me, this topic has now been put to rest.
Cheers


I came to the same conclusions about the Omerbashich paper when I read it some time ago, as he failed to prove a clear hypothesis.

Willams' additional comments are interesting because any 'scientist' who says that something is impossible is clearly not open minded. IMO a scientist should be open minded though skeptical, but not close minded. Making an ultimate decision based on one paper would be a flawed approach anyway. While a theory may seem 'ridiculous' it would appear like many others in modern science he has lost his objectivity. I personally, don't buy the planet alignment theory as the primary cause there could be more to it and I'm still open to the idea.

The reality is we still know squat about the way things really work in the cosmos and almost anything is possible. It could be another kind of dwarf planet or something totally different that is causing the events. Or it could be just coincidence.

I wish someone would ask these people how they explain the earthquakes that occurred on the alignment dates. I'd like to hear that. These 'scientists' seem to completely opposed to the idea before it happens, then completely silent afterward. I like to hear Williams' thoughts about the alignment events.

There is still much to learn and understand and for me I still need more data. I look forward to the next 6 months to see what happens! :dizzy:

[nearing]

JoeNashville:

Personally I'm watching for June 14, because on that date ELEnin will be equal distance from the Sun and Earth and in the past that has caused several events. So I'm looking forward to that.

Good one. I am also going to watch the alignments with the other planets as it is so close now. We may see NASA 'discover' some storms or other strange events on those planets on those days...

[greybeard]

Scientists rarely agree it would seem.
As said a true scientist has no agenda but to know the truth even if it it conflicts with their own training or theories. (a rare quality)
Pictures of twin suns seem to be of better quality now-- it seems that something is reflecting light from behind our sun as it rises.
True or not I dont know

Chris

[JoeNashville]

JoeNashville:

Personally I'm watching for June 14, because on that date ELEnin will be equal distance from the Sun and Earth and in the past that has caused several events. So I'm looking forward to that.

Good one. I am also going to watch the alignments with the other planets as it is so close now. We may see NASA 'discover' some storms or other strange events on those planets on those days...


There is also an alignment of ELEnin, Mercury and the Sun on July 7, with Earth at almost 90 degrees, while Mars is at 120 degrees on the opposite side. There was some research in the 1950s by RCA into radio waves affected by planetary alignments with 120 degrees being significant. Those kind of alignments are big in astrology which I don't know much about. But it will be interesting to see if anything happens.


Something else I stumbled on today. I'm not sure what to make of it, but he makes the case it's evidence that ELEnin is a dwarf star...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8dxNKU8rws&feature=youtu.be

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

The alignments will be and have been used as an alibi for earthquakes and such.

They have us by the balls as usual and who knows? this could be the big one. Checkmate or the F.F.E.T. event. Or something totally new that we haven't touched on yet. I'm leaning more to something new. Too many distractions are at play.

So before any more games are played or another earthquake comes and catches me this time round (which wouldn't surprise me)

My friend Steve has something he'd like to say to the guy who authorizes any mass killing for games sake. (30 seconds, please watch)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0cJBEMiN1c

Warmest regards

Ski- lol

[truthseekerdan]

For people who care to take notice...

Please try this exercise for yourself! You'll need to upload Google Sky's Infrared Viewer to see this. I wasn't as convinced so I had to see this for myself to believe it. If you've been sitting on the fence like me about ELEnin being a brown dwarf then try this and you will be completely convinced. You'll see how this dark object lines up perfectly with the trajectory of ELEnin from JPL's current coordinates.

There was a massive dark object captured by IRAS in 2007, and it's enormous in size! When you toggle off the infrared mode in Google Sky, it disappears from view indicating that ELEnin is indeed a brown dwarf star!

When IRAS mapped the entire sky in 2007, it mapped/captured this massive object, and we now have infrared footage from IRAS that proves this is indeed a brown dwarf star! Again, it's trajectory aligns perfectly with JPL's ELEnin coordinates and calculations. So, there's no denying this isn't a brown dwarf star anymore.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOBLb2ZeACs

Much Love

[nearing]

The alignments will be and have been used as an alibi for earthquakes and such.

They have us by the balls as usual and who knows? this could be the big one. Checkmate or the F.F.E.T. event. Or something totally new that we haven't touched on yet. I'm leaning more to something new. Too many distractions are at play.

So before any more games are played or another earthquake comes and catches me this time round (which wouldn't surprise me)

My friend Steve has something he'd like to say to the guy who authorizes any mass killing for games sake. (30 seconds, please watch)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0cJBEMiN1c

Warmest regards

Ski- lol

Hear, hear, Ski!

[nearing]

For people who care to take notice...

Please try this exercise for yourself! You'll need to upload Google Sky's Infrared Viewer to see this. I wasn't as convinced so I had to see this for myself to believe it. If you've been sitting on the fence like me about ELEnin being a brown dwarf then try this and you will be completely convinced. You'll see how this dark object lines up perfectly with the trajectory of ELEnin from JPL's current coordinates.

There was a massive dark object captured by IRAS in 2007, and it's enormous in size! When you toggle off the infrared mode in Google Sky, it disappears from view indicating that ELEnin is indeed a brown dwarf star!

When IRAS mapped the entire sky in 2007, it mapped/captured this massive object, and we now have infrared footage from IRAS that proves this is indeed a brown dwarf star! Again, it's trajectory aligns perfectly with JPL's ELEnin coordinates and calculations. So, there's no denying this isn't a brown dwarf star anymore.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOBLb2ZeACs

Much Love

How strange. I just tried to search for C/2010 X1 at the JPL site and got 0 results...

Can someone give me the coordinates for Elenin sometime in 2007 (while IRAS was working)?

[truthseekerdan]

How strange. I just tried to search for C/2010 X1 at the JPL site and got 0 results...

Can someone give me the coordinates for Elenin sometime in 2007 (while IRAS was working)?

Here you go: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=c%2F2010+x1&orb=1

Have fun... :cool:

[JoeNashville]

Even better follow up to the other vid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vARGfahWQ_k&feature=channel_video_title


I don't know enough about the technique to be sure if it is accurate but it sure is interesting!

[nearing]

Even better follow up to the other vid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vARGfahWQ_k&feature=channel_video_title


I don't know enough about the technique to be sure if it is accurate but it sure is interesting!

I have a small problem with videos where the poster makes a big deal of finding a 'cross' formation where 'Nibiru' is supposed to be. (and there are lots of them!) They all take it as proof that what they are seeing is Nibiru with it's planets around it because it is in a cross shape because some astronomer took shot of it years ago and it looked that way.

If these planets are orbiting that star, they wouldn't stay in a cross shape for very long! They are moving. I am sure our own solar system would be in a cross shape at some moment in time too.

[nearing]

Okay, I think this is the best video so far:
lycEGSV9hhY

It explains that we have a comet AND a Brown Dwarf star. The comet being a satellite of the Dwarf Star. This makes sense to me.

This is how NASA can get away with saying we ('truthers') are all crazy as this comet is just a comet. They are correct in that Elenin is a comet and couldn't possibly affect our planet being made of ice and at such a distance. BUT, it is orbiting a massive Dwarf Start that can and does perturb our planet! And they are obviously on the same path towards us.

Everything falls right into place now.

[Lettherebelight]

Which one is going to get here first?.....and when?!

[JoeNashville]

I wondered about the cross as well and it seems it could be many things, though it should be a good point of reference.

Some friends and I are going to go out soon and start searching the sky to see if we can see anything. We will be 'armed' with a lot of theories and info so I hope we find something! :p

[nearing]

Nasa emails all employees to be prepared

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22630-Nasa-emails-all-employees-to-be-prepared&p=242016#post242016

[ponda]

Some people might find this interesting.

There was a crop circle discovered on May 30 that has been 'interpreted' by some as suggesting that there 'might' be a cometary brightening or outburst on June 15 during the Total Lunar Eclipse which begins at about UT 19:13.The comet involved isn't Elenin but comet McNaught.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/Sanctuary/Sanctuary-phase2-eclipse.jpg

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/Sanctuary/sanctuary-timing-picture.jpg

Link:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/Sanctuary/comments.html

Sanctuary Phase I showed a rare astronomical alignment on May 30, 2011, while Sanctuary Phase II shows another rare astronomical alignment on June 15, 2011: yet what is the extra triangular object?

Phase I of a new crop picture at Sanctuary on May 28 showed a rare alignment of four planets and the Moon at sunrise two days later on May 30, 2011 (see the top of this page).

Phase II of Sanctuary on May 30 then appeared on the same night as Hackpen Hill not far away, and showed a smaller version of the crop picture at Hackpen Hill within itself, in the form of two small triangular shapes (see directly above).

More recently we have learned that Phase II of Sanctuary shows for its complete structure another rare astronomical alignment which will occur on June 15, 2011. On that day, our Sun will enter into a rare “double eclipse” with the Moon and Mercury at the same time near 1900 UT. Not far away in Earth’s sky will be four bright planets Venus, Mars, Jupiter or Uranus:

It will be a total lunar eclipse, visible from most of the world. Mercury will overlap the Sun’s disk on other side as seen from Earth. Yet what is that extra triangular object shown in the same planetary array, located just above Jupiter and below Uranus? Could it be a cometary outburst as suggested by several other crop pictures (see www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2011b.html or www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2011/dutch/EttenLeur.html) for this same approximate date?

If we inspect closely the orbit of comet C/2011 C1 McNaught, which is currently the brightest comet in Earth’s sky at magnitude 11, we find that it will be located just above and to the left of Jupiter as seen from Earth on June 15, 2011 (see http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=c%2F2011+c1&orb=1). Thus it will be located in almost exactly the same place as that “extra triangular object” which was drawn within Phase II of Sanctuary on May 30. One can only wait now to see what might happen in Earth’s skies.

Red Collie (Dr. Horace R. Drew with help from Federico Tiezzi on “Circle Chasers” Facebook)

Phase II of Sanctuary suggests some kind of astronomical outburst between June 11 and the “double eclipse” of June 15: what will happen when a huge coronal mass ejection (CME) from our Sun on June 7, 2011 reaches comet C/2011 C1 around June 11?

Phase II of a crop picture which appeared at the Sanctuary on May 30, 2011 refers to an astronomical date of June 15, 2011. On that day, there will be a rare “double eclipse” between our Sun, Moon and Mercury (see elsewhere on this webpage). Two small triangular symbols from that crop picture currently remain unexplained. They may represent an “astronomical outburst” but of what kind exactly?

When we examine that crop picture closely, we can see a good correspondence between the sky path of comet C/2011 C1 in May or June of 2011, with the sky locations of Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter on June 15:

Only the comet’s path (red line) and Jupiter (yellow circle) are shown above (black background) in a highly magnified view of the night sky. Above Jupiter and to the right, we can see a bright star from the constellation Pisces. Comet C/2011 C1 will pass by that star on June 11, then will pass slightly above the sky location of Jupiter on June 19. Between those two dates around June 15, we can see two “small triangles” in the crop picture, which suggest that some astronomical object may get much brighter.

What could cause comet C/2011 C1 to shine more brightly only a few days from now? It passed the maximal heat of our Sun on April 18, 2011 (see www.aerith.net), and is now near the orbit of Mars at a dim magnitude of only 10 or 11.

On June 7, 2011, our Sun emitted one of the most powerful coronal mass ejections for many years. Those solar emissions will pass slightly offset from the current location of Earth on June 9 (see au.ibtimes.com or www.csmonitor.com), and will pass even more closely by the current location of comet C/2011 C1 on June 11:

Could the intense energy from such a solar emission could cause comet C/2011 C1 to heat up and/or brighten significantly? On April 20, 2007, a CME of moderate size passed by comet Encke and tore off its “tail” (see www.nasa.gov or www.youtube.com). It was predicted at Milk Hill in June of 2009 that we would see a unexpected astronomical object in our sky two years later, during the alignment of five bright planets during June of 2011 (see time2011b). We can only wait now to see what that might be, and if those amazing crop artists have once again predicted the future.

Red Collie (Dr. Horace R. Drew, Caltech 1976-81, MRC LMB 1982-87, CSIRO Australia 1987-2010)

[DoubleHelix]

This may burst a few bubbles... Proof that Elenin is a Comet and not a Brown-Dwarf.

By none other than the very man who discovered Elenin - Leonid Elenin.

Today, June 10, 2011, is six months since the discovery of the first comet in the modern history of Russia. During this time our knowledge about the comet has greatly changed. In the first days after the comet’s discovery, the comet’s orbit did not inspire interest; C/2010 X1 (Elenin) was going to be a faint comet, visible only to telescopes equipped with CCD cameras. But after only the first week of observations, hope was growing that this comet might have a close perihelion, which was later confirmed.

During the last six months the comet has aroused a lot of interest among the people of the Earth; among the huge number of letters about the end of the world, I also received those about people who became interested in astronomy and observing, who bought telescopes and discovered for themselves the beauty of the night sky. This is possibly the most important effect caused by my comet. Of course the comet poses no threat to the Earth and all the rumors will end when it starts moving away from the Earth and Sun.

Source: http://spaceobs.org/en/news/

There's plenty of other posts made by Mr. Elenin if anybody cares to have a sticky beak.

[bennycog]

I was not sure where to post this.. i see this gets a lot of hits..
I wanted to pose a question to the Mods and the research posters on here..
Can we start a thread for each date that elenin is to line up in the most distructive way for earth, lineage to the sun ect. And conduct our own research and evaluation on the key points for things happening on our planet around them days. Political, spritual (this includes religion), financial, solar and other things that could help us contribute to piecing these puzzles together. Just for these dates.
While we wait on the conclusion to the atticus scenerio why don't we start our own 18 except it involves every person here.

like it or not planet x and info surrounding it are a part of the reason why most of us have saught out places like this.

If we can gather our resources as a whole and put them in one spot for all to see and to learn from and to discover. It will help us determine whether the dark government is using elenin as a red herring. To make people believe in a prophetic scenerio while they use their technology to make their god headed plans a reality. We have to make the information available as truth too, as factual as possible..
Consider it an experiment.. no i should not say that.. Consider it our right to know what is being played here, as Avalonians we know nothing is out of reach and that we can confront our foes head on. We will find the truth.

????? With cherrys on top.

"put them in one spot for all to see" i will have to qoute myself here because i know avalon is one spot :) but i mean good information funelled into a few threads for people to place factual research to come to a conclusion and not spread out all over Avalon..
If it is a bad idea.. well atleast i had a go

[nearing]

This may burst a few bubbles... Proof that Elenin is a Comet and not a Brown-Dwarf.

By none other than the very man who discovered Elenin - Leonid Elenin.

Today, June 10, 2011, is six months since the discovery of the first comet in the modern history of Russia. During this time our knowledge about the comet has greatly changed. In the first days after the comet’s discovery, the comet’s orbit did not inspire interest; C/2010 X1 (Elenin) was going to be a faint comet, visible only to telescopes equipped with CCD cameras. But after only the first week of observations, hope was growing that this comet might have a close perihelion, which was later confirmed.

During the last six months the comet has aroused a lot of interest among the people of the Earth; among the huge number of letters about the end of the world, I also received those about people who became interested in astronomy and observing, who bought telescopes and discovered for themselves the beauty of the night sky. This is possibly the most important effect caused by my comet. Of course the comet poses no threat to the Earth and all the rumors will end when it starts moving away from the Earth and Sun.

Source: http://spaceobs.org/en/news/

There's plenty of other posts made by Mr. Elenin if anybody cares to have a sticky beak.

we have a comet AND a Brown Dwarf star. The comet being a satellite of the Dwarf Star.

[Mutchie]

honestly it doesnt get any more serious than this - you can just feel that all this talk of nibiru has been suppressed and as for Dr Harrington his wife said years ago that she believed he was killed because he was on the verge of releasing all this information to the masses then all of a sudden he was terminally ill and dead within a couple of weeks......norways built the seedvault and america has the dumbs im not sure what we have here in the Uk - WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT TO PEOPLE !!! THIS IS IT DOOMSDAY !!!! I havent been planning for anything like this so im thinking that im going to go for a BIG BANK LOAN and im buying supplys and FIREARMS and AMMO and im heading inland if you guys want to keep going to work and just hope it all goes away then IM SAD FOR YOU.....think about this afterwards there will be no law enforcement it will be madness only the fittest will survive....WE HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THE MISERY COMING OUR WAY !!!
pS - MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.......keep it real get prepared

[JoeNashville]

honestly it doesnt get any more serious than this - you can just feel that all this talk of nibiru has been suppressed and as for Dr Harrington his wife said years ago that she believed he was killed because he was on the verge of releasing all this information to the masses then all of a sudden he was terminally ill and dead within a couple of weeks......norways built the seedvault and america has the dumbs im not sure what we have here in the Uk - WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT TO PEOPLE !!! THIS IS IT DOOMSDAY !!!! I havent been planning for anything like this so im thinking that im going to go for a BIG BANK LOAN and im buying supplys and FIREARMS and AMMO and im heading inland if you guys want to keep going to work and just hope it all goes away then IM SAD FOR YOU.....think about this afterwards there will be no law enforcement it will be madness only the fittest will survive....WE HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THE MISERY COMING OUR WAY !!!
pS - MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.......keep it real get prepared


In case you're not joking, you may be over reacting. There is a real possibility that this could be very big but we still need more evidence. That could come as early as 7:00am tomorrow, or by the 15th. But we will get more signs and evidence over the next month or six weeks. So don't freak out. A prudent response would be to do some serious planning and start with basic preps that will aid you in any disaster or emergency.

But if you bet the farm and go to far you could do yourself more harm than good. You should just do some research, understand what could happen, find out who you can work with in the event you need to. Having solid planning done is the most important thing anyway.

The reality is that you could see more serious problems from systemic economic or political problems or other issues as well which at this point almost a certainty.
If you are aware and have your eyes open you will still have plenty of time to work your a plan.

[JoeNashville]

I was not sure where to post this.. i see this gets a lot of hits..
I wanted to pose a question to the Mods and the research posters on here..
Can we start a thread for each date that elenin is to line up in the most distructive way for earth, lineage to the sun ect. And conduct our own research and evaluation on the key points for things happening on our planet around them days. Political, spritual (this includes religion), financial, solar and other things that could help us contribute to piecing these puzzles together. Just for these dates.
While we wait on the conclusion to the atticus scenerio why don't we start our own 18 except it involves every person here.

like it or not planet x and info surrounding it are a part of the reason why most of us have saught out places like this.

If we can gather our resources as a whole and put them in one spot for all to see and to learn from and to discover. It will help us determine whether the dark government is using elenin as a red herring. To make people believe in a prophetic scenerio while they use their technology to make their god headed plans a reality. We have to make the information available as truth too, as factual as possible..
Consider it an experiment.. no i should not say that.. Consider it our right to know what is being played here, as Avalonians we know nothing is out of reach and that we can confront our foes head on. We will find the truth.

????? With cherrys on top.

"put them in one spot for all to see" i will have to qoute myself here because i know avalon is one spot :) but i mean good information funelled into a few threads for people to place factual research to come to a conclusion and not spread out all over Avalon..
If it is a bad idea.. well atleast i had a go


What's the atticus scenerio???

I think this is a great idea! There is a great deal of info and dis-info leading to many possibilities both real and fake.

There is some undeniable evidence and much speculation. A serious organized look at this is called for given the potential severity.

I have some ideas like:
What is it actually, a planet, dwarf star, comet or even something else; (the more people talk about it the less clear it is)
If it is a psyop what is the end game... I've been thinking on that

I also have already done all the research on dates and events. I'll post that up here anyway.

[bennycog]

hey joe,
I say it is scenerio because it think it can still go many ways before we get the full and truthfull feedback.. It has been a huge impact on avalon and turned a few heads including mine from other things. but i should not be talking about it i guess :) it is exhausting.. but it still needs to be heard in the end.. so ill wait till then..

I should not have placed research on this subject in the same class as atticus's 18. Sorry for that :)

Avalons truth directive (elinin class) involving all.. sound better ?

[slave1zero]

ELENIN...

I think the effects on the Earth is already happening. I'm sceptical as always but there's far too much activity happening here on Earth to deny the fact that something is happening. I check my Solar Monitor everyday and everytime there's been a major disaster - Such as Japan, there's been a hell of alot of activity from the Sun. Personally I don't think anyone will find out the truth about Elenin until it either passes by or wreaks havoc on the Earth....

[Robstar]

Here is a view of C2010X1(Elenin) from an amateur astronomer in Spain. Found this through an astronomy forum i keep an eye on and i post it here just for FYI.

http://gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com/www/images/cometas/C1010X1/C2010%20X1-110325-J47c.avi.gif
http://gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com/www/images/cometas/C1010X1/C2010%20X1-110325-J47c.avi.gif

[bennycog]

on and around the 22nd..

saudi municiple elections.. were put off from 2009 so they could hold meetings to let women vote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian_municipal_elections,_2011

ecoc in "geneva".. ( lots of scientists getting together)

http://www.santec.com/en/3317
http://ecoc2011.org/

aircraft owners and pilots association summit.. "Baltimore"

http://www.aopa.org/
http://events.linkedin.com/AOPA-Aviation-Summit-2011/pub/684281


renewable energy conference and exhibition..

http://www.newenergyworldnetwork.com/green-energy-events/renewable-energy-technology-conference-exhibition-retech-20-22-september-2011-washington.html

Biotechnology event in "iowa city"

http://events.linkedin.com/9th-Annual-Front-Line-EventTM/pub/649262

"london" pharmaceuticals for devoloping and developed medicines.

http://events.linkedin.com/Developing-Stratified-Medicine-UK/pub/689022

a big one here this includes the using of RFID chips.... "istanbul" Isaf is international security assistance force.. it was created at the NATO conference in 2001 and command is rotated every 6 months.. that is a little wierd no?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/isaf-intro.htm

http://events.linkedin.com/Isaf-2011/pub/525339
The biggest meeting of the Security, Fire and RFID sectors in Eurasia will bring the sector professionals together for the 15th time in Istanbul Expo Center between 22-25 September, 2011.

All important players will take their place at ISAF; All important and biggest companies of the Security, Fire and RFID sectors exhibiting their newest products at ISAF Exhibition. Also important global manufacturers exhibiting with their significiant products at this exhibition.

The latest developments, newest technologies at ISAF; The latest development of the Security, Fire and RFID will be seen at this exhibition. ISAF is the right point for following current developments in the world.

[Cjay]

on and around the 22nd.

Add to the list the International Permaculture Conference in Jordan, 15 to 19 September 2011, followed by tours from 23rd September.
http://www.ipcon.org/

[Referee]

I found this video today it goes through all the alignments and correlates the dates with earthquakes. If this has already been posted I apologize I have been elsewhere and have not had time to catch up on all posts.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZy5Gbfl1I

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZy5Gbfl1I

Best Regards,

[GlassSteagallfan]

Hi Keith
This has been discussed on the thread- Proof that comet Elenin........
In your interview with Kerry you say you hadn't really looked into Elenin. I presume you now have had the chance. I was wondering what your take might be on what you think it may be, a comet or ?
Many thanks.
Love your work by the way.

Very little has been said about the size or mass of the Elenin comet. Still waiting...

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rsc2Ch0YX0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rsc2Ch0YX0&feature=player_embedded#at=11

[Carolin]

What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BODA1BVeDsM

[The Truth Is In There]

the big ones on the left and right could be saturn and jupiter. the one at the bottom looks like it's meant to be dark/invisible but if it's the dwarf star it's not in the position where elenin is supposed to be.

there also seems to have been an alignment of saturn, elenin, mercury, venus, mars and jupiter on the 18th. maybe that's why the crop circle was made.

[Kerry Cassidy]

Hi all,

I encourage you to watch this excellent video promo for our conference put together in 24 hours by a volunteer filmmaker. Note: there are a few details that are not perfect (such as no "C" in Richard's name) but for the most part working under the gun and completely on his own he has put together a great promo to get the word out there to my 37,000+ youtube subscribers.

It is now live at:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5aSh-0n7Hs

I encourage you to post and embed this on your sites and forums.

PLEASE DISTRIBUTE FAR & WIDE...

On June 24, 2011 at 11am PDT...

This is a Project Camelot Roundtable Conference: Richard Hoagland has some very crucial information that has come in... This is something you are going to want to be part of...We are talking about events that will be happening in the fall that could be paradigm changing for humanity. The speakers involved in this conference are each bringing an important piece of the puzzle. All of the data on what is coming is not in, but the evidence brought forward will be discussed in-depth to consider all of the possibilities...

This is a developing story... I can't urge you enough to join us in this investigation... June 24th at 11 AM PDT.

[crosby]

thank you Kerry. will be listening with great intent.
regards, corson:bump::bump::bump::bump::bump:

[ROMANWKT]

what time is that in UK in London.

regards to you Kerry

roman

[crosby]

thank you Ilie Pandia for the sticky.........
warmest regards, corson

[Rocky_Shorz]

thanks for Bringing this to us Kerry, I do enjoy listening to Hoagland.

with dead seas, we do have more to worry about than high production seeds...

[Davy]

Thank you Kerry! Cant wait!

[tessie999]

Thanks Kerry for putting this special Conf together.. I,m really looking forward to it on Friday!

[mevlana]

I would be appreciated if you could give the explanation of PDT or conversion of time for Europe.

[jcocks]

I'd love to attend, but don't have the money - no job, kids to feed :( I hope the important information will be put out on the internet after the event for all to read....

[cloud9]

Nine-le? I don't know... having the word nine in the name could have a special meaning?

[ghostrider]

a dark star coming into our path, between earth and the sun trying to pull us out of the suns grasp and make us part of it's mini solar system and dragging us out of our part of the universe into the great unknown, every time there is an alignment of two or three planets, earth has major earthquakes. it will do it's most damage on sept 26 2011. again in november. go out live your life and be happy, know that a transformation must happen, we are on our way back to the stone age. I can't wait to leave this body and become a spirit, and boldly go where I've never gone before. see you all out past the ultra deep field into the beautiful universe, out where poetry in motion, is compassion in action. love conquers all.

[Mad Hatter]

Time as the fourth dimension will make it 4:00am Saturday the 25th in oz... http://www.timeanddate.com/

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks Kerry, great eye opener.

Look forward to the confab!

[1159]

Los Angeles (U.S.A. - California) Friday, 24 June 2011, 11:00:00 PDT UTC-7 hours
UTC Friday, 24 June 2011, 18:00:00

For all us UK dwellers

[jawa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5aSh-0n7Hs


http://www.projectcamelotportal.com/images/events/eleninVideo-Conference.4June18.jpg

[DeDukshyn]

Thread merge? Kerry posted this a couple days ago here somewhere with a comment ... It even has a sticky if I recall....

[tessie999]

Todays Conf was fantastic,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thanks Kerry for putting it together. For anyone who didn,t get the chance to listen, it will be on live stream. Check out the website.

[jcocks]

I can't afford to pay 33 dollars to view the conference., I don't have the money - I have kids to feed. I'd love to know what was mentioned though... Any information that we didn't already know?

Kerry's site has been under DDOS all day and her forums are currently down... must be something someone really doesn't want us knowing.....

[crosby]

I can't afford to pay 33 dollars to view the conference., I don't have the money - I have kids to feed. I'd love to know what was mentioned though... Any information that we didn't already know?

Kerry's site has been under DDOS all day and her forums are currently down... must be something someone really doesn't want us knowing.....

after reviewing my funds in my checking account, i too realized i couldn't afford the $$$ to participate. bummer...... so i've been trying to find a synopsis out there that could be posted here for everyone to see. but, i'm not having any luck with that either. i checked out the forum from pc as well, and there isn't any significant information there. perhaps later someone will post something somewhere that we can pull in here so that we have an idea of what they talked about.

tessie999 could you enlighten us at all about the conference? would be much appreciated.
warmest regards, corson

[loveandgratitude]

8213 ooops kerry

8213 ooops kerry

8213 ooops kerry

THIS WILL BE A GREAT SHOW.

I AM SURE IT WILL BE MAINSTREAM AFTER A WEEK OR SO

[psci]

After reviewing the information on the Comet Elenin conference, it appears that the entire topic is serving as a smokescreen, concealing what is really happening throughout the solar system - see http://www.youtube.com/user/pscinet for the video discussing the drop in dark energy density - available around 7 a.m. EST this morning. This explains why the elite are rushing to get their ducks in a row by the end of 2012.

Earlier this month, an advanced energy researcher disclosed information on the decline in dark energy density that began in the early 1980s and has accelerated through today. The rudimentary chart shown in the video was created from the four data points provided during the same conversation. The vertical axis increases from 0% to 100% relative intensity of dark energy density, dropping significantly within the last few years as shown on the graph.

Late 2012 is the projected timeframe for a minimum in dark energy density, which will result in a magnetic pole reversal in late 2012 to early 2013 timeframe. Other advanced energy researchers have confirmed similar observations/measurements and are also preparing for the collapse of our modern civilization.

Additional information will be posted to http://pscinet.blogspot.com and http://psci.us/gold.htm as soon as possible. This information can also be found online in transcript format at http://psci.us/pscinet.pdf, and the chart is available for download at http://psci.us/darkenergy.pdf. Go to http://www.youtube.com/user/pscinet for future video uploads to our Youtube channel.

[Mutchie]

Does anyone have the password yet ? they are asking people to pay even after its all happened - i heard lots of paying folks couldnt even get access themselves i saw complaints on hoaglands facebook lol

[Mutchie]

paying = thats for people who have money what about all us poor dudes ?

[cayman]

ELENIN Orbit Diagram
NASA courtesy, JPL Small-Body Database Browser, C/2010 X1 (Elenin)
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2010%20X1;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

Alignment(ELENIN-EARTH-SUN) date:

2010/Feb/27 M8.8 earthquake in Chile
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/caymanlee/20100227.gif

2010/Sep/04 M7.0 earthquake in New Zealand
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/caymanlee/20100904.gif

2011/Mar/11 M9.0 earthquake in Japan
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/caymanlee/20110311.gif
(actually, 3/15 is the date of the more accurate "Alignment")
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/caymanlee/20110315.gif

2011/Sep/26
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/caymanlee/20110926.gif


2011/Nov/24
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/caymanlee/20111124.gif

[cayman]

Close Encounter date:
2011/Oct/17 closest distance between EARTH and ELENIN: 0.232 AU
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/caymanlee/20111017.gif

2011/Oct/19 ELENIN on EARTH's orbit around SUN
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/caymanlee/20111019.gif

2011/Nov/01~03 EARTH cross ELENIN's orbit
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/caymanlee/20111101.gif
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/caymanlee/20111103.gif

[cayman]

Also, you could use the HORIZONS system for more accurate research,
for instance, use Google Earth --Sky, check out ELENIN's coordinate today: 10 39 01.98 +07 09 01.5

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi#results click "Generate Ephemeris" Time Span setting: Start=2010-02-27, Stop=2011-11-27

[observer]

[....snip]This is a Project Camelot Roundtable Conference: Richard Hoagland has some very crucial information that has come in... This is something you are going to want to be part of...We are talking about events that will be happening in the fall that could be paradigm changing for humanity. The speakers involved in this conference are each bringing an important piece of the puzzle. All of the data on what is coming is not in, but the evidence brought forward will be discussed in-depth to consider all of the possibilities...[....snip]

I have the greatest respect for Dr. Joseph P. Farrell's interpretations and opinions. In his post-conference critique, he didn't have very many positive things to say about this event:

http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/06/where-is-mike-flanchered-when-you-need-him/

I was going to invest in the ticket price (ever rising, I might add) and listen to what Richard Hoagland had to say. I also have great respect for his opinions.

In the wake of what looks like a controversy, it seems the event should be opened in a free forum for everyone - the wealthy, and the impoverished - to view. Knowledge of this magnitude should not be limited to those with the funds to pay.

There are many among us who don't have the resources to pay a fee for knowledge. Surely, there is some other way to pay for these events. Would anyone object to advertisements? I think not....

(please note: heyokah deserves the credit for the research that led to the link of Dr. Joseph Farrell's critique of the conference)

[crosby]

[....snip]This is a Project Camelot Roundtable Conference: Richard Hoagland has some very crucial information that has come in... This is something you are going to want to be part of...We are talking about events that will be happening in the fall that could be paradigm changing for humanity. The speakers involved in this conference are each bringing an important piece of the puzzle. All of the data on what is coming is not in, but the evidence brought forward will be discussed in-depth to consider all of the possibilities...[....snip]

I have the greatest respect for Dr. Joseph P. Farrell's interpretations and opinions. In his post-conference critique, he didn't have very many positive things to say about this event:

http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/06/where-is-mike-flanchered-when-you-need-him/

I was going to invest in the ticket price (ever rising, I might add) and listen to what Richard Hoagland had to say. I also have great respect for his opinions.

In the wake of what looks like a controversy, it seems the event should be opened in a free forum for everyone - the wealthy, and the impoverished - to view. Knowledge of this magnitude should not be limited to those with the funds to pay.

There are many among us who don't have the resources to pay a fee for knowledge. Surely, there is some other way to pay for these events. Would anyone object to advertisements? I think not....

wow. when i caught the link i was expecting a synopsis, but not that kind....... oy vey! apparently he has some problems with how the event occurred. and after reading this, i decided that i am glad that i followed my head for a change and not my heart and didn't spend the money. however, opinions are very subjective; so, i will keep an open mind and try to catch any other critiques that may come about. i must say that he was very honest regarding his presence at the interview with the others in attendance. thanks for the link observer.
regards, corson

[Mutchie]

[....snip]This is a Project Camelot Roundtable Conference: Richard Hoagland has some very crucial information that has come in... This is something you are going to want to be part of...We are talking about events that will be happening in the fall that could be paradigm changing for humanity. The speakers involved in this conference are each bringing an important piece of the puzzle. All of the data on what is coming is not in, but the evidence brought forward will be discussed in-depth to consider all of the possibilities...[....snip]

I have the greatest respect for Dr. Joseph P. Farrell's interpretations and opinions. In his post-conference critique, he didn't have very many positive things to say about this event:

http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/06/where-is-mike-flanchered-when-you-need-him/

I was going to invest in the ticket price (ever rising, I might add) and listen to what Richard Hoagland had to say. I also have great respect for his opinions.

In the wake of what looks like a controversy, it seems the event should be opened in a free forum for everyone - the wealthy, and the impoverished - to view. Knowledge of this magnitude should not be limited to those with the funds to pay.

There are many among us who don't have the resources to pay a fee for knowledge. Surely, there is some other way to pay for these events. Would anyone object to advertisements? I think not....

WOW Farrel really seems dissillusioned with how the conference went and furthermore it seems he was wandering what in the hell he was even doing there i appreciate this mans honestly ......

[Mad Hatter]

Ahhh yes... IIRC 'dark energy' yet another theory invented to patch up yet another failing of yet another theory(Einstein)...

Forgive my cynicism but I was always of the undesrtanding that for those who practised real science once empirical evidence proved a theory wrong the theory was discarded thus allowing the fundamental basis on which it rested to be re-examined in light of the new evidence clearing the way for new theories being proposed.

Still in a post modern world it seems sewing new buttons on an old shirt that has holes under the armpits, because you happen to like the shirt, but still leaving holes under the armpits is what passes for rigorous scienctific discourse these days. Quantuum entanglement vs speed of light anyone??

What a tangled web we weave...

[Mutchie]

aH THE CONFUSION listen break it down do we head for the hills or de we just sit it out and hope ???

[Mutchie]

Today i found an EXCELLENT POST in which Joseph Farral spoke about his disillusionment with the Elenin conference stating I WANDERED WHY I WAS EVEN THERE.....as if he felt he was just brought in to add some strength to the list of names and he stated his research had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SUBJECT:confused::confused::confused:Now me myself i couldnt afford to pay to listen to the conference and i have spent most of today looking for information on it and im aware others have being doing this aswell !
My problem is that on you tube we have Terral03 who now has THOUSANDS of people TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT ELENIN IS ACTUALLY A DWARF STAR and he has organised survival groups and they are headed for the ozarks i think it is called , they are armed to the teeth with weapons and they have doctors and nurses and all sorts of differents types making up their groups THESE FOLKS ARE CONVINCED THIS IS IT - the threat assesment chart says SEPTEMBER is when the pole shift will happen but before that they have the grid going down and the solar storms etc now out of all the people in the AVALON COMMUNITY does ANYONE ELSE THINK THIS IS FOR REAL ???

PLEASE I WANT PEOPLES OPINIONS......

[greybeard]

Hi Mutchie
Think the simple truth is no one knows.
There have been many threads and posts on planet X, 2012-- now changed to October this year (thats a first-- normally end times are put further into the future)
The only reassuring thing I can say is.
We are Spiritual beings having a human experience.
Eventually we leave the body.
Many will leave the body today --- Now or later whats the difference?
Some will die before the comet arrive many will live after it passes.
I think that is pretty certain.

Best wishes Chris

[Operator]

Kerry's site has been under DDOS all day and her forums are currently down... must be something someone really doesn't want us knowing.....

So this makes the stuff credible ?

1. If I were TPTB and wanted to have the alternative media wander off I'd mess a lot with all the dis/mis information hence making it believable.
2. If I were someone running a website trying to make a lot of money from selling conference tickets I'd make good PR by disabling my website
from time to time attracting more and more people and more and more money ....
3. ....

The alternative media is fed a lot of so called 'leaked' info ... but where is it really coming from ? All the surrounding suspense doesn't make it
more credible ... but only easier to feed to the truth seekers.

No I don't think this is solid evidence ... why don't we collect the data ourselves ?

[Marikins]

Mutchie,
I listened to the conference and it was confusing and taken over by Hoagland who basically thought that Elenin was a smoke screen. The lengthy introductions wore out the listener and it sort of collapsed on itself. As I listened I couldn't help but think we had five different people, each creating their own reality; pick one! LOL. I found this on Discovery News (http://news.discovery.com/space/will-earthbound-comet-fulfill-2012-prophecy.html)

Reality Check

Comet Elenin will sweep nearest to Earth on Oct. 16 at a distance of 21 million miles and be moving fast enough to travel the distance from Earth to the moon in under five hours!

The effects of the comet on Earth at closest approach will be as inconsequential as that of a mosquito slamming head-on into an ocean-going supertanker.

Let's look at the physics. Comet Elenin is a loose agglomeration of volatile ices and dust a few miles across. It is therefore one hundred billionth the mass of our moon. (The relative difference is roughly the same as the mass of a mosquito vs. the mass of an oil supertanker.)

The comet will pass no closer to us than 84 times the Earth-moon distance.

Applying Isaac Newton’s laws of gravity, this means the comet's tidal pull on Earth -- at closest approach -- will be approximately one-hundred trillionth the force of the moon's tidal pull on Earth. And, we all now know that despite the dreaded Supermoon hype last week, there were no monster storms or earthquakes triggered by our satellite's gravitational tug at closest approach to Earth.

Hope this helps.

[Mutchie]

Thanks Chris and Marikins for your kind replys , Chris is right we are all spiritual beings walking our own paths and in the end we will all cross over and i suppose the expierience is what we make of it , getting back to the conference it seems marikins that your opinion is exactly true everything i have heard so far suggests confusion and differing ideas as if maybe this was thrown together so quickly they lost sight of the true objective which was to enlighten us on the whole subject I MEAN EVEN FARRAL SEEMED CONFUSED what does that say , so elenin could be a smoke screen and we have dates of september for a pole shift AH WELL BACK TO EASTENDERS AND CORONATION STREET TILL THEN KEEP ME POSTED LOL

[slvrfx]

Dr. James McCanney posted this on his website a few days ago. He's a scientist who's in contact with other scientists around the world. I was frankly surprised to see this, because he's a maverick who follows the works of Immanuel Velikovsky and has his own data debunking that comets are 'dirty snowballs'.

I've been following his writings and weekly radio show for years. He knows something huge is coming in from the South, hence the observatories at the South Pole, and the Vatican's in Arizona (Wormwood), and believes the huge increase of comets are the precursor, but no, Elenin is not a threat.

(I haven't made up my mind.)

From his page- http://jmccanneyscience.com/

"Comet Elenin IS NOT A THREAT to earth ... my name and work regarding the electrical nature of comets and the solar system are being hijacked by a government backed misinformation crew making all kinds of wild claims about Comet Elenin ... these postings are on web pages and blogs and many professionally made youtube videos disguised as coming from "average people" like you and me ... many times claiming to have resources to un-named "professional astronomers" who "verify" their baloney stories ... some claim that they talk to aliens who "confirm McCanney's work" along with completely distorted ramblings ... some claim Comet Elenin will cause all sorts of disaster with time lines and dates with some claiming you should move to certain "safe sites" on a given timeline ... these sites and people we have found are all coming from the same place ... let me make it perfectly clear that Comet Elenin is a small comet that will likely not be even seen by most people since it is so small and far away ... someone (group) is spending a lot of time and money to make a major issue out of a complete non-issue ... the curious issue is why all the misinformation and other "date" correlations being propagated on the internet and now on the major media ... it is clear that an extensive group of people are behind this and they are getting major press and air time ... then in clear disinformation style the NASA owned press has the "white hats" (the NASA "good-guys") riding in to save the day telling you not to listen to all those quacks on the internet (pointing directly to these many sites which distort my name and work which as i said is being completely mis-represented by the same disinformation crew in what we have come to learn over the years is a well orchestrated dog and pony show ... with the same disinformation crew controlling both sides of the "debate") ... others are associating this false reporting with possible NASA and leadership (NWO and other) groups to create false alien invasion scenarios (emphasis on FALSE) to create fear with the public ... i have NOTHING to do with any of these reports and let me repeat and make it perfectly clear ... my work regarding cometary alignments and the electrical nature of the solar system shows that Comet Elenin IS NOT ANY KIND OF THREAT TO EARTH ... emphasis on NOT ... the false reporting regarding Comet Elenin and many related topics will most likely continue into the fall of 2011 as a movie 2012 is due to come out November 13th this coming fall making all kinds of wild and unscientific (but scientific sounding) claims of doom and ultimate earth destruction ... this oddly enough coincides with the take over of public communications that will soon be finalized with Obama making national emergency announcements on the newly centralized Homeland Security FEMA emergency broadcast network that will basically take over ALL media ... 1984 is alive and well in the USA ... so i will leave this posting up stating once again that i have nothing to do with the false FEAR reporting that is propagating on all fronts ... this also opens the opportunity for every nut case and imposter on the internet to jump in and further cloud the real issues from the public ... many of whom are just beginning to wake up from a deep mental slumber (the clueless ones) ... every week i host a commercial free radio show that deals with REAL issues of science and also educates the public on how to recognize and understand the politics of science so you can then begin to understand the real nature of science and why there is such an effort to keep the public confused with phony BAD SCIENCE AND ASTRONOMY that comes from what i call "tier 2" NASA science as well as the barrage of internet imposters (many of whom receive support from government sources to distort the real efforts of the few sane voices that exist in the world today) ... an extreme effort has been made by the "controllers" to dumb down the public everywhere from public school education to the mass media ...

[Mutchie]

YOUR RIGHT SOMEONE SOMEWHERE HAS PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THIS .....its makes you wander really

[Billy]

Carl Calleman has made comments this last few days. you can read the article here on post number 7. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22732-WORLD-WIDE-HUG-3rd-July

http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/Comets_Honda_Elenin.htm

[1159]

We must not be over simplistic about this. Billions of dollars has been spent world wide to create DUMBS (underground bases) for something. We can be certain this is not for a 2012 rave party! At a certain high level, someone knows somethiong about a real threat to the surface of this planet and they have calculated that the safest place will be underground. The evidence for these bases is conclusive and overwhelming. We have even had people selling spaces in the UK for underground bases. For a conservative country, that's pretty off the wall. I'm not sure how this will play out if sea level rise and cover the air intakes, but maybe I'm not up to speed on their technology. Underground bases will provide long term protection from just about everything else, except tectonic plate movements across the bases...

The simple answer is this: The reality or not of planet x AKA ... is like an insurance policy. You never expect the worse to happen and you hope it never will, but you need to have insurance in case it does. One thing is for certain, the authorities will NOT tell us about a an extinction level event. Simply because they know anarchy will result and that will no-one any good. They are however leaking all kinds of information through back channels faster than a holy bucket.

The message is this, those that have eyes and ears and are awake will get that message and prepare without a fuss.

The other point is this, watch nature very carefully. Nature will tell us if we are sensitive. I was in the UK Boscastle flood in 2004 and not a single animal was found drowned after the floods. They all climbed uphill well before the event while all us silly tourists were enjoying the sunny weather in the morning before the rains came.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

NASA hasn't told the truth ever! They work in secret and also out in plain view with their mischief. Their agenda is suspect from the get-go. They have been whistling in the dark for their entire existence.

No credibility is no credibility. Why should anyone believe them now, they do not educate as much as control our ideas about deep space. What does it take for you to understand this? Ask Richard Hoagland about NASA. Do not ask him about Elenin, because he is a creature limited by 3D or at most 4D perceptions. Elenin exists on a much higher plateau of being. And as such can harm no being or other planet. In other words, is no danger to your darling pointy little heads!

Elenin may be a huge Planet sized Star Ship under full control of higher beings. Huge planets are like that. It's not some free-for-all happening out there although NASA would have you believe otherwise and according to a dark agenda made up out of the whole cloth. Now that nothing else is working they can still install FEAR by withholding what they do know. But they suffer great limitations open to higher beings without skipping a beat of your heart. This information is simply not open to most humans. They are limited for a reason in this regard. They need to climb out of the kindergarten of their own mind. For most of us, this hasn't happened yet. We haven't learned to share and play well together. Look around you. Look at what is posted even on Avalon. It's still too warlike. It's not kind or loving. When light gets through, it is overwhelmed by darkness and gloom once more.

Elenin is not some out of control comet ~ as is being pimped now as a "new" idea. A radical new danger that is lurking out there to EAT you up or cinderize you. When they can't frighten you one way, another is attempted but FEAR is the only enemy you have close at hand.

There is a need here to overcome your own fear. FEAR. FEAR is the only enemy. They cannot control all of us. FEAR can and continues to do so because you are giving it this power over your own thoughts.

You have forgotten that all knowledge is free. If you're paying for it, it isn't necessary, you need only look within your own heart.

Whoever is pimping solutions is suspect if they aren't open to any loving heart to know about and achieve. Charging for whatever knowledge we can come up with is not a sharing nor kind way to go forward. It's how and why we have been held back. Greed. Lust for fame and fortune. Hoarding the wealth from others whether it is in material goods or ideas. Not allowing the free flow of ideas that would cure all the ills of the world and end suffering. We can all say, well, everyone needs to make a living and hold back our little part but in the end it works against us. If we know something of value it should be shared freely. Not everyone is interested in things that are freely available. This is a curse.

Save yourselves from a new threat ~ Elenin ~ get your hot information here for a bargain price ~ we did the research and discovered it first. Pay $33 and get the link sent to your inbox.

Okay, folks ~ this is not how a loving creator made things to work. We are to share all the wealth in ideas, creations, healing tools, knowledge and whatever we can find to share that has value. Freely, openly and without charge as in days of old prior to this Earth's experience. As we did in the Celestials heavens where we came from. Do you remember it now? When it is withheld for any reason whatsoever, it is not of value to anyone.

Elenin ~ and say what you will about her ~ is a higher expression than anyone here is prepared to acknowledge. No harmful intent can be found around this living being no matter where it shows up in all of creation. Just another shadow under your bed.

Most of what we know is false. Everything told to us by NASA is a lie and has no relationship to the truth of our universe. This will be fully seen and known from 2011 forth.

Those who see danger here and having escaped the threat of Armegeddon now believing in this coming catrostrophe, well, pick your poison.

We either have a loving creator or some vampire universe of very ugly reptiles, no one would choose to live around anyway. Rise yourselves up to your full height people.

Stop pandering to the old powers that were and the disasters they would frighten you with. I was sad to see the "Pay per View." Fiasco come about where supposedly the most important revelations could be had not to save your life through knowledge but so others could make $33 per view. We, in fact, have a loving creator. Nothing important is kept secret. All is available and open for those who have a desire to know of it. And so it is...

[phillipbbg]

I think the activity on the surface of the sun is what we should be thinking about if we are going to go down that path. The solar flares DO effect our communications etc but that's what the tech guys are working on all the time, not just at this moment in time. As I am in the renewable industry I am happy to pop my solar panel out in the sun to charge my lap top up etc. If a comet is going to effect the water on the earth there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. I buy my food once a month because I hate shopping... I buy fresh veg locally because its fresh and local meaning it hasn't been in a cold store for 6 weeks or more and it has not been put through irradiation to get over boarders... so on to sustainable use of the resources readily available no matter what happens......

If everyone looked after their patch of earth we would be a hole lot better off.....

So no I am not overly worried about a comet or a red dwarf or a planet surrounded by ships full of ........... live and let live. And if I can help someone or comfort them then all the better..:)

But like everyone else I enjoy reading any posts on the subject, but the fear factor is not rising for me, just scientific curiosity...

[Calz]

Today i found an EXCELLENT POST in which Joseph Farral spoke about his disillusionment with the Elenin conference stating I WANDERED WHY I WAS EVEN THERE.....as if he felt he was just brought in to add some strength to the list of names and he stated his research had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SUBJECT:confused::confused::confused:Now me myself i couldnt afford to pay to listen to the conference and i have spent most of today looking for information on it and im aware others have being doing this aswell !
My problem is that on you tube we have Terral03 who now has THOUSANDS of people TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT ELENIN IS ACTUALLY A DWARF STAR and he has organised survival groups and they are headed for the ozarks i think it is called , they are armed to the teeth with weapons and they have doctors and nurses and all sorts of differents types making up their groups THESE FOLKS ARE CONVINCED THIS IS IT - the threat assesment chart says SEPTEMBER is when the pole shift will happen but before that they have the grid going down and the solar storms etc now out of all the people in the AVALON COMMUNITY does ANYONE ELSE THINK THIS IS FOR REAL ???

PLEASE I WANT PEOPLES OPINIONS......

I listened to most.

I don't want to share too much in respect for camelot as it is still available for post-conference purchase.

I will say that the attendees completely discount the dwarf.

That still leaves confusion on how/why a comet would *appear* to cause quakes with the alignments of other planets.

That one I cannot answer.

Will have to check out Farrell's post. Love the guy. He did nod his head in agreement with many of Hoagland's comments ... :nod:


*** adding ***


of interest ... the camelot site putting this on was under *SEVERE* DOS attack all day (kudos to support staff to even be able to pull it off).

that there was such an effort to shut this down should say something???

[Operator]

I tend to listen more nowadays to indigenous people ... most modern day scientists turn into star like gurus once their
ideas gains traction with an increasing audience. Especially when they get their own radio shows.
They speak not because they need to speak but they have radio time to fill ...

Researchers selling books and DVDs are at least one step better in that regard ... they can produce more infrequently.
(But it's often still about continuity and money :()

However indigenous people also confirm what my gut feeling is telling me all my life ... nothing is going to stay the same,
there will be great changes, the control structure will collapse, there will be more and more a need to take care locally.

My personal vision is that this is a good thing ... the current situation is a big scam and should not continue. Real change
always comes with a high price. Most of the times something very serious need to happen first to make people change their
ways and thinking.

I think the message of the Hopi elders rings very true:


"TO MY FELLOW SWIMMERS:

There is a river flowing now very fast. It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore. They will feel they are being torn apart and will suffer greatly. Know the river has its destination. We must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water. And I say, see who is in there with you and celebrate. At this time in history, we are to take nothing personal, least of all ourselves. For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a halt. The time of the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves!

Banish the word 'struggle' from your attitude and your vocabulary. All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.

WE ARE THE ONES WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR"

So with this in mind it's easier to accept and allow the big price to be paid.

One of the reasons most of us are uneasy with the developments is that we only want to prepare 'just in time' before
things happen. If we would have used the time by now to make adjustments and changes we would not be restless since we
are sure that things will change and not bother about the when ...

So concentrate more on the changes you want to make and less on gaining knowledge on the when and how ! :peace:

[Mutchie]

Today i found an EXCELLENT POST in which Joseph Farral spoke about his disillusionment with the Elenin conference stating I WANDERED WHY I WAS EVEN THERE.....as if he felt he was just brought in to add some strength to the list of names and he stated his research had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SUBJECT:confused::confused::confused:Now me myself i couldnt afford to pay to listen to the conference and i have spent most of today looking for information on it and im aware others have being doing this aswell !
My problem is that on you tube we have Terral03 who now has THOUSANDS of people TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT ELENIN IS ACTUALLY A DWARF STAR and he has organised survival groups and they are headed for the ozarks i think it is called , they are armed to the teeth with weapons and they have doctors and nurses and all sorts of differents types making up their groups THESE FOLKS ARE CONVINCED THIS IS IT - the threat assesment chart says SEPTEMBER is when the pole shift will happen but before that they have the grid going down and the solar storms etc now out of all the people in the AVALON COMMUNITY does ANYONE ELSE THINK THIS IS FOR REAL ???

PLEASE I WANT PEOPLES OPINIONS......

I listened to most.

I don't want to share too much in respect for camelot as it is still available for post-conference purchase.

I will say that the attendees completely discount the dwarf.

That still leaves confusion on how/why a comet would *appear* to cause quakes with the alignments of other planets.

That one I cannot answer.

Will have to check out Farrell's post. Love the guy. He did nod his head in agreement with many of Hoagland's comments ... :nod:

Yes you have hit the nail on the head there my friend just how do they explain these alligments and the resulting earthquakes = they dont = i still believe the truth is out there and it is being hidden from us !!!

[Calz]

Mutchie:


Yes you have hit the nail on the head there my friend just how do they explain these alligments and the resulting earthquakes = they dont = i still believe the truth is out there and it is being hidden from us !!!

Keeps us squarely in the speculation camp.

Some theories have been offered and hashed over in the other elenin threads.

Conference *did* offer some interesting information and I am truly sorry I don't feel comfortable in sharing more. But in terms of elenin being a dwarf ... that seems to be off the table (which is what many of our fine avalon members have suggested from the start).

Cal

[1159]

Thanks Darla, I don't completely share the 'love and light' answer to everything. I believe and have experienced that there are 'rites of passage' in evolution and that sometimes these transitions are deliberately challenging. One day we will come into a dispensation where fear and pain are not the critical motivators, but that is not for the masses now.

I do agree however, that to commercialise important information such as elenin is in poor taste. It's a bit like charging my family to eat the meal I prepared for them. I can only assume that the information is not that critical.

For those that want some detailed information from very experienced researchers on elenin I can recommend the following videos

Geroge Noory coast to coast with LUCAS on the doomsday star

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXltKpxuaik

STAN DEYO - Earth Changes, "Planet" X, Expanding Hollow Earth, Antichrist (Freeman Radio)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHygQBeDI0w

[Calz]

I agree 100% ... thanx Op :)

Problem remains in transferring "right brain intuition" to "left brain hard information".

I believe events this fall will make things clearer.

Fasten your seat belts and enjoy the ride.

[ghostrider]

earth is in deep trouble, I followed a large object with four moons last summer moving on a straight line every night same path. I couldn't find any info, news, local or national talking about it really pissed me off. it was too big to be a star and too small to be the moon. It was the biggest object in the sky. If indeed this was planet x, elenin the magnetic wave between planets and the sun now is in trouble from a large planet passing through the wave disrupting the balance of our solar system and could drag us out of orbit and out of our solar system. the sun and planet x will fight for earth's orbit. the object was in google sky first in 2007, if you notice google earth plays in 2011 but switch to google sky and it's in 2007 never goes to 2011. the path of planet x is filled with pix problems, lines of neon red and green, strange shapes and pixalation. the bible does say the heavens will be rolled away like a scroll and a new earth will be created. this is the most important event we will ever face, who can stop the sun? who can change the path of a planet? who can build a solar system? WE CHANGE TO SPIRITUAL BEINGS AND SHIFT, THOSE THAT DON'T WILL LIVE A POST APOCOLIPTIC NUCLEAR AFTERMATH WITH THE PTB LIVING UNDERGROUND. all the other ufo, history, lies, mind control, robots, clones, chemtrails, bloodlines, money manipulation, secret groups, black ops, gobbldegoop will mean nothing without a PLANET IN BALANCE AROUND A SUN.:frusty:

[Marikins]

Problem remains in transferring "right brain intuition" to "left brain hard information".

You have put your finger on it. I think that might summarize what this shift business is about. If we stay over in the FEAR/ANALYSIS camp we won't see the truth. I think it has to be a blend of fact and feeling which the final wave will accomplish.

[Calz]

earth is in deep trouble, I followed a large object with four moons last summer moving on a straight line every night same path. I couldn't find any info, news, local or national talking about it really pissed me off. it was too big to be a star and too small to be the moon. It was the biggest object in the sky. If indeed this was planet x, elenin the magnetic wave between planets and the sun now is in trouble from a large planet passing through the wave disrupting the balance of our solar system and could drag us out of orbit and out of our solar system. the sun and planet x will fight for earth's orbit. the object was in google sky first in 2007, if you notice google earth plays in 2011 but switch to google sky and it's in 2007 never goes to 2011. the path of planet x is filled with pix problems, lines of neon red and green, strange shapes and pixalation. the bible does say the heavens will be rolled away like a scroll and a new earth will be created. this is the most important event we will ever face, who can stop the sun? who can change the path of a planet? who can build a solar system? WE CHANGE TO SPIRITUAL BEINGS AND SHIFT, THOSE THAT DON'T WILL LIVE A POST APOCOLIPTIC NUCLEAR AFTERMATH WITH THE PTB LIVING UNDERGROUND. all the other ufo, history, lies, mind control, robots, clones, chemtrails, bloodlines, money manipulation, secret groups, black ops, gobbldegoop will mean nothing without a PLANET IN BALANCE AROUND A SUN.:frusty:

Gaia will be *fine* ... better than ever.

Our *souls* will be *fine* ... this is what we signed up for.

Beyond that ... who the heck knows how it will all shake out???? :noidea:

[aranuk]

Thanks Chris and Marikins for your kind replys , Chris is right we are all spiritual beings walking our own paths and in the end we will all cross over and i suppose the expierience is what we make of it , getting back to the conference it seems marikins that your opinion is exactly true everything i have heard so far suggests confusion and differing ideas as if maybe this was thrown together so quickly they lost sight of the true objective which was to enlighten us on the whole subject I MEAN EVEN FARRAL SEEMED CONFUSED what does that say , so elenin could be a smoke screen and we have dates of september for a pole shift AH WELL BACK TO EASTENDERS AND CORONATION STREET TILL THEN KEEP ME POSTED LOL
Muchie so you don't watch River City then? :p

Stan

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

You tell em Darla...lol,

I don't worry about the comet itself, I worry more about what those scumbags will do with each alignment being used as an alibi. See the thing is if they have been using the alignments for dates of attacks then we will have more attacks in the fall. Not the end of the world, but more of a perfect opportunity for them to do what they please.

Yes I know, Iv'e posted these before but It's handy to have them displayed on a thread like this.

Past Alignments
Date
Location
Magnitude




Elenin - Earth - Sun
Feb 20 2008
Indonesia
7.4

Elenin - Earth - Sun
Feb 25 2008
Indonesia
7.2

Elenin - Earth - Neptune
May 12 2008
China
7.9

Elenin - Earth - Sun
Feb 18 2009
Kermadec Islands
7.0

Elenin - Earth -Jupiter
May 18 2009
Los Angeles, US
4.7

Elenin - Mercury- Earth
July 15 2009
New Zealand
7.8

Elenin - Mercury - Earth
Aug 09 2009
Japan
7.1

Elenin - Sun - Earth
Sept 09 2009
Sunola islands
8.1

Elenin - Earth - Venus
Feb 18 2010
China/RU/N.Korea
6.9

Elenin - Earth-Sun
Feb 25 2010
China
5.2

Elenin - Earth-Sun
Feb 26 2010
Japan
7.0

Elenin - Earth- Sun
Feb 27 2010
Chile
8.8 [Earth knocked off axis]

Elenin - Earth- Sun
Feb 27 2010
Argentina
6.3

Elenin - Earth - Mercury
Mar 04 2010
Taiwan
6.3

Elenin - Earth - Mercury
Mar 04 2010
Vanuatu
6.5

Elenin - Earth - Mercury
Mar 05 2010
Chile
6.6

Elenin - Earth - Mercury
Mar 05 2010
Indonesia
6.3

Elenin - Earth - Mercury
Mar 08 2010
Turkey
6.1

Elenin - Earth - Neptune
May 05 2010
Indonesia
6.6

Elenin - Earth - Neptune
May 06 2010
Chile
6.2

Elenin - Earth - Neptune
May 09 2010
Indonesia
7.2

Elenin - Earth - Neptune
May 14 2010
Algeria
5.2

Elenin - Earth - Jupiter
Jan 03 2011
Chile
7.0

The Christchurch one was caused by sun flares. (maybe)

Elenin - Earth - Sun
March 11 2011
Japan
9.0 [Earth knocked off axis]





Future Elenin Allurements:

Future Alignments
Date
Note
Elenin - Mercury - Mars - Earth
Sept 06 2011

Mercury - Sun - Elenin
Sept 25 2011

Sun - Elenin - Jupiter
Oct 11 2011
Elenin 0.246au from Earth; that’s a quarter of the distance to the sun.

Oct 17 2011
Elenin closet to earth 0.232au

Oct 20 2011
Elenin will enter Earth orbit and we will experience a gravitational pull.

Nov 02 2011
Earth enter Elenins tail/ previous path
Venus - Earth- Elenin - Mercury
Nov 11 2011

Sun - Mercury - Earth - Elenin
Dec 04 2011

Mars - Elenin - Jupiter
Dec 25 2011




Last Alignment





Elenin - Earth - Sun
Dec 21 2012

Yes it's all very skeptical and I don't know if these alignments are perfectly accurate. New dates keep popping up with new threats. Yes it's all fear based.

The sun flares are what I believe will cause the most damage, thats natural and is what I believe is being scanned the most. All the massive companies in the world have a huge
interest in the flares as one big one could damage a lot of equipment. They'll be many so underground bases are the way to go for the seriously big companies as like a back up generator.

Thats what all the underground activity could be about. (maybe)

They'll use these alignments though. Who'll get the brute force of it is obviously for them to know and us to find out. Not that we could do much about it though. I certainly will not run to the hills. I will not be going underground. I'll be in Japan in the fall and although it's prone to such disasters, I do feel that I'm with the right people if it gets heavy. These people don't buy into fear and it totally educates you when you see first hand how they handle disasters.

Seriously in all honesty I'm quite excited about the whole thing. Bought some excellent bino's and I'm looking forward to the comet itself and how the media portrait it. Isn't it strange that the media are not interested in this. ( YET ) Maybe they'll actually do the F.F.E.T. event after all. And on that note if these latest sightings in London are anything to go by we might be like WTF?

We'll witness orbs fighting each other. White orbs them and us with some new craft to chase them away or something lol... This would be a teaser and a way of disclosure and those puppets will tell everyone that we'd been visited and attacked but we chased them away with video and live TV coverage as evidence. Just a little rattle of the masses will take place and disclosure will be like as much of a mystery to them as it is to us.

Leaving a perfect situation for an all out attack on the planet at any time without people killing themselves in sheer shock. Orbs man, thats the way to go. people don't freak out with orbs. They might not of thought of that and they read this and the 70,000 year old chairman says " Send that SKIBADABOMSKI guy a million quid. Dammit guys he's right, we don't need crafts, those orbs we are using will do the first part perfectly "

*leaves p.c. to wait at the door for some person in black to drop off a suitcase with a million quid*

Ski-

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I agree 100% ... thanx Op :)

Problem remains in transferring "right brain intuition" to "left brain hard information".



Off topic, but since you brought it up Calz__, I believe the connection between right and left brain is happening automatically for many. Some of us have actually felt it, in some others it is happening in unconscious states. My brother, who is totally left-brain oriented (an MIT guy, non-believer in anything that isn't scientifically proven) shared with me recently what is happening to him in lucid dreams - and it definitely sounded like activiation between the two sides of brain which I have been experiencing in what we call conscious state.

Perhaps this Unity Consciousness that Carl Calleman speaks of (www.calleman.com) in his interpretation of the Mayan Calendar is more than Unity between humans. I have considered (based on my recent personal physical experiences) that it is also the unifying of the two sides of our brain.

Regarding Elenin ~ I agree with greybeard: No one knows for sure. So stay informed, always be prepared for any disaster (within limits) and just remember: Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.

[Etherios]

I agree 100% ... thanx Op :)

Problem remains in transferring "right brain intuition" to "left brain hard information".

I believe events this fall will make things clearer.

Fasten your seat belts and enjoy the ride.

Tbh i want something to happen. All this waiting and suffering either has to end or at least show its true colors. I am not afraid either way i just dont like this waiting :-P

[Rocky_Shorz]

welcome back Skib, so Sept 25th is another big one to watch...

The sun went Wacko before the Japan Quake M and X Flares popping continuously

[Calz]

The alignment timed quakes were the fuel for the dwarf specualtion (thinking it needed to be a gravity driven phenomena).

Most (not all) now discount dwarf.

Which leaves a couple plausible answers (and some beyond our present scope ... certainly possible):


1) Solar system documented going into higher energetic area of the Universe for some years now (denoted by the temps and brightness on all the planets in the solar system).

Electric Universe.

Elenin *may* have a different type of energetic property than "common" comets.

The alignments are more a matter of "electrical" (or other energetic) exchanges than gravity influences.



2) JPL data put out and and we are witnessing a massive well co-ordinated and *heavily funded* black op continuing PSYOP.

Each quake triggered (or at least strengthened) by technology to match the alignments.



Others) some evidence suggest elenin (and another I cannot yet comment on) is not a natural comet and is perhaps "intelligently guided".

Throws open all sorts of speculative possibilities to mention here.


IMHO - open to any other suggestions that sound possible ...

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

welcome back Skib, so Sept 25th is another big one to watch...

The sun went Wacko before the Japan Quake M and X Flares popping continuously

You see, I never knew that. So do the sun flares match the comet alignments? that would take some investigating but imagine if they all matched..:boom:

Oh and thanks for the welcome back, I had a great trip. Off again in 10 days to Holland & Germany and Swiss. Trying to stay away from Japan as much as I can for this summer. It's going to be a scorcher in July and with all the radiation and the melting meltdowns of melting (stuff that kills) with serious humidity as every single house, shop, building uses air conditioners. Yuk, no thanks...

Ski-

[Rocky_Shorz]

glad to hear you are moving, take a look at this next to the China Quake...

ET phone home... (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=32.4278+95.9322(M5.3+-+SOUTHERN+QINGHAI,+CHINA+-+2011+June+26++07:48:16+UTC)&hl=e&ll=32.41002,95.872772&spn=0.008895,0.013626&t=h&z=16)

[Calz]

welcome back Skib, so Sept 25th is another big one to watch...

The sun went Wacko before the Japan Quake M and X Flares popping continuously

You see, I never knew that. So do the sun flares match the comet alignments? that would take some investigating but imagine if they all matched..:boom:



Ski-

Well that is part and parcel with the basic theory.

The alignment(s) effect the SUN which then effects the EARTH.

*** adding ***

to clarify ... lunar events have much to do with quakes as is well documented and that is due to the weight placed upon the plates due to the natural lunar cycle.

but the alignments of other planets (or in this most unusual case ... a comet) are solar driven events

[phillipbbg]

Doesn't it strike you as obvious that the sun is the issue...ever wondered why we have sent up satellites and pointed them at the sun so we can have the first decent images of the sun from every angle..... doesn't that seem obvious to everyone...that the scientists have known about these coming events for quite some time and have had the time to plan etc.... plus the scramble to get Hubble clean and focused in the correct part of the solar system...

[Mutchie]

Thanks Chris and Marikins for your kind replys , Chris is right we are all spiritual beings walking our own paths and in the end we will all cross over and i suppose the expierience is what we make of it , getting back to the conference it seems marikins that your opinion is exactly true everything i have heard so far suggests confusion and differing ideas as if maybe this was thrown together so quickly they lost sight of the true objective which was to enlighten us on the whole subject I MEAN EVEN FARRAL SEEMED CONFUSED what does that say , so elenin could be a smoke screen and we have dates of september for a pole shift AH WELL BACK TO EASTENDERS AND CORONATION STREET TILL THEN KEEP ME POSTED LOL
Muchie so you don't watch River City then? :p

Stan

Nah im afraid im not a river city guy infact truth be told my wife has the soaps all mapped out dare i cross her path when eastenders is on lol the comet elenin would be nothing comparing with the wrath of a wife who is missing her favourite soap !!!

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

welcome back Skib, so Sept 25th is another big one to watch...

The sun went Wacko before the Japan Quake M and X Flares popping continuously

You see, I never knew that. So do the sun flares match the comet alignments? that would take some investigating but imagine if they all matched..:boom:



Ski-


Well that is part and parcel with the basic theory.

The alignment(s) effect the SUN which then effects the EARTH.

So it's not as simple as attacking the said country with HAARP or other stuff on alignment days but they have to cause solar flares also? What are they doing? Shooting stuff into the sun to cause explosions on alignment days so as to trigger earthquakes and setting nuclear explosions on sea beds to cause tsunamis? Or is thing for real and it's check-mate? It's rather worrying when you delve into it properly. I can't make head or tails of whats happening. Where does one turn to for the truth. Here? But we are all being distracted with silly argum.. oh my !!

Yelp..




http://i51.tinypic.com/2ly3e4y.jpg

Ski-

[Rocky_Shorz]

well chasing Haarp readings are an exciting conspiracy, but that starts leading you into looking at the Sun and realizing how much it really affects our planets.

now we can measure and watch everything going on to understand it. Where are the dark energy waves coming from out there in space...

[Calz]

Ski (nice monster btw):


So it's not as simple as attacking the said country with HAARP or other stuff on alignment days but they have to cause solar flares also?

See post 25.

*IF* that is going on (not saying so ... just a possibility) then they are using the timing to use the technology to trigger (or) strengthen an already existing pressures.

So it could be one, the other, or a combination thereof (again from speculation)

I *do* know there is clear proof of astrological links to earthquake activity. This goes back for many years ... but *NOT* with comet fly bys (that I am aware of).

[Rocky_Shorz]

another question is, why is the comet's path so close to us right now when it is passing but swings out 6 months from now away from our path...

comit orbit (http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2011%20MD&orb=1)

is it a push or a pull that is affecting its orbit?

[Calz]

well chasing Haarp readings are an exciting conspiracy, but that starts leading you into looking at the Sun and realizing how much it really affects our planets.

now we can measure and watch everything going on to understand it. Where are the dark energy waves coming from out there in space...

Yes excellent.

Astro physicists are certainly not in agreement with "dark energy" and other unknown aspects of the universe ... but we are learning.

One of "other" theories has to do with a "wave" eminating from the galactic core.

[Mutchie]

Ski (nice monster btw):


So it's not as simple as attacking the said country with HAARP or other stuff on alignment days but they have to cause solar flares also?

See post 25.

*IF* that is going on (not saying so ... just a possibility) then they are using the timing to use the technology to trigger (or) strengthen an already existing pressures.

So it could be one, the other, or a combination thereof (again from speculation)

I *do* know there is clear proof of astrological links to earthquake activity. This goes back for many years ... but *NOT* with comet fly bys (that I am aware of).

Damn you guys are right these allignments could be THE EXCUSE TO USE ANY SORT OF HAARP TYPE TECHNOLOGY i mean who,s to say they havent planned a CONTROLLED DEPOPULATION EXCERCISE OF SOME KIND , i mean with the right kind of technology and if you got the masses thinking in a certain manner just about ANYTHING would be possible !!! And while millions perish we could all be blaming something which doesnt even exist except in our own imaginations..........GOD WHERES MY TV GUIDE LOL

[Calz]

Once a dwarf is removed from the equation ... then we have to start grasping for other possible explanations of the alignments and large quakes.

Could be a "coincidence" but that is getting to be a stretch mathematically.

Perhaps we will simply have to wait and see what happens on the next alignment?

[jimbojp]

Just to add my piece of speculation to the mix...

Maybye,
Elenin is the false flag invasion, it is a spaceship of some kind.
It contains the good guys for want of a better description, maybye enki?
Enlil and his crew who are the PTB,(along with the greys) want to portray this comet as the cause of all the earthquakes and destruction when really its just haarp.
The comet gets closer it is determined that it is a spaceship.
The alien attack starts, but we know this is just the PTB doing what they do best, pretending to be something they are not.
They try to convince us to fight for them, to save the world, transhumanist micro-chipped soldiers and all that.

I've seen a few similar ideas on here, so forgive my plagiarism its not intentional.

I used to think the world was flat before I joined Avalon! :p

jim.

[Calz]

Just to add my piece of speculation to the mix...

Maybye,
Elenin is the false flag invasion, it is a spaceship of some kind.
It contains the good guys for want of a better description, maybye enki?
Enlil and his crew who are the PTB,(along with the greys) want to portray this comet as the cause of all the earthquakes and destruction when really its just haarp.
The comet gets closer it is determined that it is a spaceship.
The alien attack starts, but we know this is just the PTB doing what they do best, pretending to be something they are not.
They try to convince us to fight for them, to save the world, transhumanist micro-chipped soldiers and all that.

I've seen a few similar ideas on here, so forgive my plagarism its not intentional.

I used to think the world was flat before I joined Avalon! :p

jim.

those of the "alien invasion" path (of whatever flavor) should enjoy this from Joseph Farrell:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AOiIukAQh_c

[Rocky_Shorz]

another question is, why is the comet's path so close to us right now when it is passing but swings out 6 months from now away from our path...

comit orbit (http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2011%20MD&orb=1)

is it a push or a pull that is affecting its orbit?

bumped to mention this is the path of the comet passing earth tomorrow the 27th, lots of earthquake activity and this one is only a few meters across, what about one passing close enough to affect us that is Kilometers across?

[Kerrigan]

How can I see this conference without paying? I, too, am broke.

I am confused, I've never had to pay to see this kind of material before. Is it the way Camelot will be leading in the near future?

Miss Cassidy, please, allow us to view your conference for free. They are other ways to get income for your hard work, instead of asking for your fans and fellow truth-seekers money. How about putting publicity on your webpage?

Kindly,

Kerrigan

[truthseekerdan]

How can I see this conference without paying? I, too, am broke.

I am confused, I've never had to pay to see this kind of material before. Is it the way Camelot will be leading in the near future?

Miss Cassidy, please, allow us to view your conference for free. They are other ways to get income for your hard work, instead of asking for your fans and fellow truth-seekers money. How about putting publicity on your webpage?

Kindly,

Kerrigan

Nothing to worry for not being able to listen to the conference. This is all speculations, because nobody knows with certainty what this ELEnin object really is. So you should be happy that your time was not wasted... Poor guys that had payed to waste their time. Better stick with the Hopi's prophecies...

Much Love

[Mandala]

Wow, I wonder if Kerry has read the feedback from Dr. Farrell? Very interesting to get his "read" on things. So bottom line, what was this very important, crucial information that we all needed to pay to get?

[TraineeHuman]

As somebody who has been following the forum for more than three years, since it began as PA1/PC1, may I say all this Elenin material sounds 100% like the same old same old -- about 99% misinfo, cunningly designed to create maximum fear-mongering and to distract people from what's important.

[Carolin]

Thanks SKIBADABOMSKI for posting that information. I feel like I've been living under a rock!! I thought it was just three earthquakes/alignment dates but you listed 22. Granted some of them were on the same date but different locations. When I have time I will go through each one on JPL.

This just reaffirms my thinking that Elenin is up to no good. I don't know if it's a comet, brown drawf, or a spaceship. I really don't know anything about shaceships cause I've never seen one but I don't see how a spaceship's alignment would cause earthquakes...and I always thought they would be faster than that.

The only thing we all know for sure is that the Universe is cyclical. Day follows night, spring follows winter, bla, bla, bla. So doesn't it make sense that what's going on is a natural phenomenon that earth has been through many times before. And I think we can all agree there is something definately going on.

What I don't understand is why these so called experts are trying to "dumb us down".

[mosquito]

glad to hear you are moving, take a look at this next to the China Quake...

ET phone home... (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=32.4278+95.9322(M5.3+-+SOUTHERN+QINGHAI,+CHINA+-+2011+June+26++07:48:16+UTC)&hl=e&ll=32.41002,95.872772&spn=0.008895,0.013626&t=h&z=16)

Take a look at what exactly ????? The link simply provides a map of part of Qinghai, what's supposed to be interesting here ?

[astrid]

We get how many , 100 comets a year ( something like that??) why the focus on this one??

Distraction, diversion??

From what is the question....

[Calz]

We get how many , 100 comets a year ( something like that??) why the focus on this one??

Distraction, diversion??

From what is the question....

Good point(s).

A comet should not have any bearing on earthquakes regardless of astrological configuration.

Why would any astronomer (professional or hobbiest) be watching for that to begin with???

Anyone remember when speculation on elenin first began??? If we do a little research on that we may be able to add a little fuel to the PSYOP option ...

:spy:

[astrid]

Yep.... its starting to smell like a FALSE FLAG, to me anyways........

i keep seeing more and more space things "reported",
eg......

mQ8LWY53sPM


while we are looking UP,
what is happening down here??

[The One]

8240

These are my notes on what Richard C Hoagland said that I've sort of transcribed from the round table discussion which took place last night 26th June 2011. It's not exhaustive and I am not a brilliant transcriber but it's the best I could manage. Enjoy.

Richard C Hoagland statement during the Project Camelot Roundtable

There are two versions of orbital calculations for Elenin, one was calculated by JPL which defines the orbit as hyperbolic which means it's a one time visitor to our solar system and will never return.

The other is the discoverer of Elenin, Mr Leonid Elenin who has calculated that the object is in
an eliptical orbit of 13,000 years which is half of Earths Orbit around the Galatic centre.

So that's interesting in itself, which is correct?

At the end of July and the beginning of August Elenin is going to cross the orbit of the Earth
at about 1.5 AU (astromonical unit, one unit being the distance from the Sun to the Earth. 1 AU
is 93 Million Miles). Richard says on or about 2nd August.

NASA has two satetelites in orbit one is Stereo A the other is Stereo B. On the 2nd August Elenin
will pass close to Stereo B (4.5 Million miles from Stereo B) NASA plans to turn SB (Stereo B)
around to face Elenin rather than the Sun which it does now so that it can get the data of the
make up etc of Elenin.

Elenin then comes only .482 AU away from the Sun on Sept 11th that not really possible
which makes that is one of the first indications that this object may not be a normal object!

On the 17th Oct it passes in front of the Earth at .232 AU which is only 22 million miles
heading out into the solar system , it is not Nibiru or a brown dwarf.

IF NOT FOR THE FACT THAT IT HAPPENS ON VERY INTERESTING TIMES, DATES & ANGLES WE WOULD NOT BE
HAVING THIS ROUNDTABLE TODAY.

Now things get really interesting because On Nov 8th as Elenin is moving out of the solar system
but has not yet reached Mars another object which we have not spoken of yet called 2005 YU55 a
so called Asteroid which is going to come closer to Earth than the Moon some 200 thousand miles
behind us, so Elenin across our bow and YU55 across our stern! YU55 is something like 1500 feet
across, it appears to pherical which is very strange for a little tiny object. Because everyones
attention will be on Elenin this object will be unobserved. Number 55 is an illuminati number
apparently? This object appears to be rotating very very slowly which is unusual for such a
small body! they are saying it is rotating once every 20 hours! because of measurement errors
it may not be rotationg at all, so what does that remind everyone of? maybe this object is
not an asteriod at all and while everyones attention is on Elenin in front of us this object
passes across our stern!

On Nov 9th in the USA, FEMA is asking all broadcast owners to relinquish control of their TV
Stations and networks for a FEMA Homeland security test, could we say that this is all somehow
sychronised and we are being prepared for something that may not or may be taking place as this
small object crosses our stern? we wont know the answer to that until Nov8/9th but Richard finds
it very curious and worthy of attention and the fact that our attention is being diverted due
to hype on Elenin?

Position of Elenin on the 11th November (11-11-11) You can plot the position of Elenin, the Earth,
Mercury and Venus you will see that they are all in perfect alignment in the Solar System. If you
look at the Solar System edge on if you look at Earth in plane of the eliptic you will see that
all except Mars are in tight aligment.

Our conclusion at Enterprise Mission is that Elenin is not a comet or if it is, it is a comet
that has been pacifically thrown into the inner Solar System in a precise celestial configuration
in terms of timing, distances, orbit inclination, all parameters have been designed to
fullfil some strange ritual observation in other words this is not some natural object or if it
is it is under some kind of artificial control because the odds of all these coinicidences if you
tally them all together they come out to be millions to one that all this could be happening by
accident.

So the hype about Elenin is interesting, its giving us clues that someone thinks this object is
incredibly important and they are trying to allay positive feelings on the object and instead
trying to instill overwhelming FEAR, they are trying to do this apparently to cover up some
mission that whoever has directed this object into the inner Solar Sytem has for all of this and
and all I can say it's going to be very intersting Fall (Autumn) and something actually very
wonderful could be coming

http://universallyaware.ning.com/forum/topics/project-camelots-elenin-round

[Calz]

The One just spilled some nuggets from the tele conf ... enjoy:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23738-Elenin-Researchers-Explain-Coming-Anomaly

[pharoah21]

Wow......fun times ahead

[Calz]

13,000 year orbit nicely matches the "cycle".

the spherical "asteroid" (craft???) was also of interest and will pass between the earth and moon (on current path).

hmmmm ... those were the two things I took away from it with interest.

thanks for spilling the nuggets ... no doubt those that could not afford will appreciate :)

*** adding ***

11/11/11 alignment is interesting as well ...

[Mike Gorman]

Mr Lucas states that the Norwegian spiral event was the 'Dark Star' interacting with the Sun, the blue beam being
a plasma linkage with the Solar magnetic field...Hmmm, why then, does this not occur on a more frequent, or even
Daily basis-if the 'Dark Star' is indeed close enough to the Solar system to initiate this interaction? I have difficulty with this
assertion-Lucas has some interesting conclusions though, especially concerning the 3600 year cycle and Atlantis being a global
civilization that was basically washed away from coastal settlements-the Ocean being 500 feet lower 13,000 years back. We will all get to see the truth
of all the speculations and prognostications, it is just a matter of allowing time to pass-I support the wisdom of being prepared-of expecting the best
but preparing for the worst, this is always a good course of action-you do not have to pay anyone to be aware of this.

[Jayke]

Just finished watching the 4 hour presentation yesterday, sounds like it's all a big misdirect to me, if change is going to take place it's going to be something internal we can feel, people looking out to the skies may miss the subtle internal changes due to their focus being in the wrong place. If these comets are really ancient spacecraft like Hoagland suggests, he even says the most they'll likely do is eject atmospheric gases as it passes the earth putting on a nice lightshow, a firework display of sorts to symbolise the internal changes, which Carl Calleman adds coincides with the end of the 9th wave of the Mayan calendar in October.

The atmospheric physicist Gerry McCormack has stated that if a comet approaches very close to the earth 'within it's magnetosphere it would probably be spectacular...the sky would go purple or green, particles from the comet would spiral down the lines of magnetic force, and it is likely that you would have amazing auroral displays and coloured streamers...', it's also possible comets this close would produce an audible hissing sound or appear to be a brilliant bright white with a beard of fire.

It'll be interesting to see whether the YU55 comet will fit into this category of being able to produce these results, with it passing behind the earth will it be as dramatic as if it was passing in front of us? Will be interesting to find out and see what happens in the coming months, could be in for a real light show.

[Hervé]

Well, I'll again try...

Check this article out:

Planetary Alignments and the Solar Capacitor - Things are heatin' up! (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229308-Planetary-Alignments-and-the-Solar-Capacitor-Things-are-heatin-up-)

... where you'll find things such as:


The work of John H. Nelson is the second big dot to connect in understanding this process of how planetary alignments relate to solar activity and thus geomagnetic activity on Earth. Nelson was a shortwave radio researcher who worked for RCA (Radio Corporation of America) during the 1950s and 60s. He was tasked with finding a way to predict days when shortwave signals would be disrupted. (Remember this was before satellite communication, so there was a certain interest in maintaining these radio connections between the continents.) Even at this point, scientists had noticed the link between sunspot activity and the geomagnetic activity that affected shortwave radio transmissions, but they had no accurate means to predict when solar activity was likely to break out.
... and:


Nelson discovered that solar activity was more likely to occur during some conjunction, opposition or square between an inner and outer planet which he referred to as 'hard' angles. This was usually the initiating factor in the solar storms he observed and predicted. He also noted that other harmonics of these 'hard' angles served to increase solar activity as well. By 'harmonic' I mean taking 180 degrees and dividing it by integers. So angles like 180/2 = 90, 180/3 = 60, 180/4 = 45, 180/5 = 36 and so on... Even multiples of these harmonics such as 75 degrees (15 x 5) could play a role too. Why harmonics were important to this process is unclear and probably something Nelson was hoping future research would shed light on, but nonetheless these were the observations he made.


I think it is safe to say that in at least 90 percent of the cases Mercury is the trigger planet. The planets slower than Mercury can be all set up on a major pattern but a storm usually does not begin until Mercury moves into a hard angle with one of them, or as a harmonic to two that are already associated in a hard angle.

... the messenger...

Soooo... a puny comet by itself, not much effect. BUT, a puny comet in alignment while the capacitor/condenser called solar system is ready to zap around... AND with a little help from HAARP derived technologies and there could be another crisis scheduled to be not let go to waste, i.e. to profit from...

Simply because, thanks to the work of this Nelson guy and the likes of McCanney and Talbot; the electrical universe provides ample plausible deniability.

Oh well... I tried.

[Hervé]

Now, that said, Elenin being ascertained as no dwarf star (Phewwtttffff!); the interest directed at that comet is because it came out of a sector of the sky where a dwarf star was expected to be detected.

The dwarf star or brown dwarf, the Sun's binary companion in short, hasn't been ruled out at all! To the contrary!

This article is about the clearest layman's terms arguments for the existence of such a stellar body:

Is the Sun Part of a Binary Star System? - Six Reasons to Consider (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/230480-Is-the-Sun-Part-of-a-Binary-Star-System-Six-Reasons-to-Consider)

Amongst other things, it clearly shows how a sheared off Oort cloud occurs. That is, no "Flying objects" beyond but a lot within.

And lots of 'em flying objects when the brush off happens!

[Calz]

Now, that said, Elenin being ascertained as no dwarf star (Phewwtttffff!); the interest directed at that comet is because it came out of a sector of the sky where a dwarf star was expected to be detected.

The dwarf star or brown dwarf, the Sun's binary companion in short, hasn't been ruled out at all! To the contrary!

This article is about the clearest layman's terms arguments for the existence of such a stellar body:

Is the Sun Part of a Binary Star System? - Six Reasons to Consider (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/230480-Is-the-Sun-Part-of-a-Binary-Star-System-Six-Reasons-to-Consider)

Amongst other things, it clearly shows how a sheared off Oort cloud occurs. That is, no "Flying objects" beyond but a lot within.

And lots of 'em flying objects when the brush off happens!

Agreed.

Bob Dean suggested 2016 or 2017 time frame correct???

[Operator]

Now, that said, Elenin being ascertained as no dwarf star (Phewwtttffff!); the interest directed at that comet is because it came out of a sector of the sky where a dwarf star was expected to be detected.

Is that true ?

There are many statements made that it would be coming from the south and Elenin comes at almost no angle with the ecliptic.

Correct me if I'm wrong ... I don't claim to know ... just validating incoming info.

[Hervé]

Now, that said, Elenin being ascertained as no dwarf star (Phewwtttffff!); the interest directed at that comet is because it came out of a sector of the sky where a dwarf star was expected to be detected.

The dwarf star or brown dwarf, the Sun's binary companion in short, hasn't been ruled out at all! To the contrary!

This article is about the clearest layman's terms arguments for the existence of such a stellar body:

Is the Sun Part of a Binary Star System? - Six Reasons to Consider (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/230480-Is-the-Sun-Part-of-a-Binary-Star-System-Six-Reasons-to-Consider)

Amongst other things, it clearly shows how a sheared off Oort cloud occurs. That is, no "Flying objects" beyond but a lot within.

And lots of 'em flying objects when the brush off happens!

Agreed.

Bob Dean suggested 2016 or 2017 time frame correct???

That sounds about right for the flying debris.

The Sun's companion, however would start to be detectable from the southern hemisphere around this summer.

One reason for the focus on doom and gloom with Elenin is that it triggers an atavic fear of catastrophies by comets from the distant past... and of course the same type of individuals are banking on it...

[Hervé]

Now, that said, Elenin being ascertained as no dwarf star (Phewwtttffff!); the interest directed at that comet is because it came out of a sector of the sky where a dwarf star was expected to be detected.

Is that true ?

There are many statements made that it would be coming from the south and Elenin comes at almost no angle with the ecliptic.

Correct me if I'm wrong ... I don't claim to know ... just validating incoming info.

From what I gathered, Elenin is also coming from (slightly) below the ecliptic; unless I am wrong in reading the JPL diagram: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=Elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

.. and the reason why we don't see it yet but will in the Fall.

ETA:

Looking at that JPL Elenin orbit, it seems there's an alignment Saturn-Elenin-Mercury-Sun-Jupiter square Earth around July 6-9... good days for healers and lightworkers to practice...

[crosby]

thank you all so much for all of your insights. i understand so much more after reading all of your posts. i really appreciate the effort that you have all collectively drawn here. i don't feel like such a uninformed 'nugget' now. thanks again.
warmest regards, corson

[jcocks]

I think the problem with all this is that *NO - ONE*, and I mean *NO-ONE* knows for sure WHAT is going to happen.... It's all very exciting....because this is literally unprecedented in the universe. It has simply NOT HAPPENED BEFORE...and they're all watching us with baited breath to see how it progresses. We know that we will make it, but the question really is in how we will travel the path from here to there - THAT will be interesting.

And most of the sleeping masses have simply NO idea WHATSOEVER what they are about to go through!

On a sidenote... My inner guidance was always telling me that the end of this year would be VERY interesting and the real 2012 everyones been talking about - this was before I even knew ANYTHING about Elenin etc.... Never before has my guidance been proven SO RIGHT! I'm looking forward to the whole experience, but am yet to buy up on popcorn :D

[loveandgratitude]

Today We will Try For Our Last Picture of Comet Elenin For The Next Few Months
•June 24, 2011 •

Sydneystargazers is a astronomy site which for the last few months has been taking pictures of Elenin to prove that it is a comet and not a brown dwarf as some on the Internet may want you to believe.

We have proved that Elenin is nothing more than a comet and will take one more picture opportunity of Elenin in a little while and make it the last shot of Elenin for the time being until the comet gets closer to the Sun later this year. When we start taking pictures of Elenin in a few months time we are hoping to have some great shots of this comet.

So after today we will be focusing on more important issues such as the brightening supernova in M51.

Update:

Below is the latest picture of elenin at position 10h 37m 24s +7° 18′ 22″

FOR PHOTOS PLEASE GO TO THIS LINK AS THEY HAVE ASKED THAT THEIR PHOTOS NOT TO BE RE-PRODUCED ON OTHER SITES. Scroll down to this article and view photos of Elenin.

http://sydneystargazers.com/

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Astronomer Tracking Instructions For The ELEnin Comet/Dwarf Star

http://72.52.195.202/~goground/index.php?topic=116.0

Many people are writing with requests for information on how to pinpoint the exact location of the ELEnin object that I believe to be a NASA Psyop hiding an approaching dwarf star (ATS Topic). This topic is all about providing every amateur astronomer the tools needed to point your telescope in the right direction for tracking what appears to be a mini solar system with multiple orbiting satellites now crossing the Leo Constellation. You must have Google Earth (download) installed on your computer that hopefully has sufficient capabilities to execute a file that holds all the ELE coordinates. Open your Google Earth program and hit 'View' then 'Explore' then 'Sky.'

http://ubasti.cfa.harvard.edu/~cgi/R...d=c&o=CK10X010

Now open the link and move down until you see the KML file link:

http://ubasti.cfa.harvard.edu/~cgi/B...o=CK10X010&d=c

Download the KML file to your computer. Now with Google Sky running execute the file. Some people have complained that their system cannot perform this function. You should be looking at a series of yellow pins showing the daily position of our ELE object like this:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/ELE.jpg

Zoom in carefully to note the pinned information shows the dates that came from the ELE coordinate data. Now you can pinpoint the exact location of this object, before heading out to use the telescope.

ELEnin Current Position:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/ELE472011.jpg

Today our ELEnin object passes directly over 58 Leo in the direction of a straight line drawn between 58 Leo and 59 Leo above. Tomorrow (4/09/2011) this ELE object crosses that 58 Leo/59 Leo line directly in between these two reference points. This ELE dwarf star will be located directly below NGC 3423 on 4/17/2011 going into 4/18/2011. I will post an update picture when our object passes beyond the FOV of this one.
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Updated picture: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/ELE4242011.jpg

Our references markers are 48 Leo below and 49 Leo above with the ELEnin object moving from left to right until about May 28, 2011 approaching 44 Leo on the right. The ELEnin object then begins backtracking over the same path, until reaching perigee on 9/11/2011 (not shown). The ELE object will pass directly between 48 Leo and 49 Leo on May 5, 2011 for this object to move within the Leo 48/49/44 triangle from May 5, 2011 to 6/19/2011, which in my opinion represents a very good time to capture one of the orbiting satellites orbiting outside the dwarf star proton cloud. The ELE object will appear to hover near motionless on approaching 44 Leo between 5/24/2011 and about 6/08/2011 just to the left of 44 Leo, before passing directly between 48 Leo and 49 Leo from the right on 6/19/2011.
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Links:

ELEnin JPL:http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=1;log=0;cad=1#cad

http://poleshift.ning.com/

http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/last-trimester-event-timeline

http://dprogram.net/2008/05/21/as-america-collapses-us-government-secret-plans-revealed/

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/

LINKS FIXED

[Operator]

From what I gathered, Elenin is also coming from (slightly) below the ecliptic; unless I am wrong in reading the JPL diagram: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=Elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb


Yes, I am using the same small body database browser ...
What you say is maybe not 'accurate'. Yes, currently it is below the ecliptic and somewhere in august it will cross the ecliptic.
But while doing that it's direction isn't south to north .... it cuts through the ecliptic with almost no angle at all.



.. and the reason why we don't see it yet but will in the Fall.


No not true ... we can see most of the planets which are in the ecliptic too.
(I am only talking angle of visibility here ... not if it should be 'visible' temperature wise)

I think you are mixing it up when a body would come from far beneath the ecliptic sharply crossing it
in direction from south to north ... that would only be visible on the southern hemisphere until just before it
crosses the ecliptic

[loveandgratitude]

Astronomers: Comet Elenin may produce greatest meteor showers in history

http://crisisboom.com/2011/04/04/astronomers-comet-elenin/

The unusual Comet Elenin is expected to pass within 21 million miles of Earth on October 16, 2011 and speeding by at more than 85,000 mph—so fast it could travel from Earth to the Moon in less than five hours.

Discovered by amateur Russian astronomer Leonid Elenin in Lyubertsy, Russia on December 10, 2010—who accessed the International Scientific Optical Network’s robotic observatory near Mayhill, New Mexico—the astronomical community has erupted with the excited possibility the celestial traveller could generate the most spectacular meteor showers ever recorded.

Although the comet’s path is expected to change as it draws closer to the sun, astronomical calculations appear to show Elenin’s perihelion occurring well inside Earth’s orbit by September 5th.

Astronomers believe the comet will be visible with a good pair of field binoculars about the middle of August. After then it should become visible in the Northern hemisphere’s predawn sky with the naked eye.

Comet watchers claim that the huge dust trail behind Elenin might become very bright with the tail glowing across the night sky.

The Earth is expected to pass through the giant tail, and the debris may generate fantastic meteor showers for as long as two and a half months.

Comet generates controversy and conspiracy theories

Recently, a growing number of conspiracy theories have sprung up around the discovery of the long-period comet. Some are linking its appearance on the other side of the sun to the 9.0 earthquake that devastated northern Japan. Others believe it may fulfill the “prediction” some read into the end of the Mayan calendar on December 21, 2012.

A few, with private channels to unnamed professional sky watchers claim the comet’s orbit is unstable and may encounter dark bodies such as the cometary debris known as the “Taurid objects.” They go on to argue that Elenin carries a huge cloud of material with it and if the orbital path remains consistent the Earth will collide with that debris.

Of course, many astronomers anticipate that happening. It’s why there would be astounding meteor showers after the comet’s passing.

Elenin’s orbital path seems to be constantly changing, however, as it falls inwards towards the sun. As one observer has noted, when Leonid Elenin discovered the comet calculations indicated it would pass by Earth at a distance almost nine times the distance of the Sun. Now, however, recalculations reveal that distance has significantly shrunk to as low as 0.15 AU.
Further perturbations in Elenin’s orbital path may be affected by it’s passage through the Oort belt—a huge halo of cometary bodies, giant asteroids and debris that encircles the outer solar system.

Will it strike Earth as some fear? No way, says Ray Villard of Space.com ["Will Earthbound Comet Fulfill 2012 Prophecy?"].
http://news.discovery.com/space/will-earthbound-comet-fulfill-2012-prophecy.html
Villard points out that “The closest ever-recoded flyby of Earth was comet Lexell in 1770, which passed at 1.4 million miles. On Jan. 26th that year a magnitude 9.0 earthquake took place off the west coast of the North America.”

Comets and earthquakes again. Could there really be a connection after all?

Although some insist there is a connection ["NASA's Website Accidentally Predicts Another Catastrophic Earthquake in 2011"] virtually all astronomers and geophysicists say no way.
http://www.benzinga.com/press-releases/11/04/e969150/nasas-website-accidentally-predicts-another-catastrophic-earthquake-in-#ixzz1IOIuTFRM

So what can be expected? Well, if all goes right the greatest night time sky show seen in hundreds of years will occur.

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Nibiru Tracker 2012 "PROOF of ELENIN the comet", NOT Nibiru (tonto)
From: ThePerfectMinds | 23 Jun 2011


UPDATE 11:09AM CDT 6/23/2011 This video contains the image taken with a luminence filter. When Elenin moves away from the first location it looks like a faint star disappears too (around 3:04 is a good shot when I showed it disappear). After receiving the question I pulled up the red image I took last night becasue I took four images in total. The star remains. Everything stays there when Elenin leaves.


http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePerfectMinds#p/f/0/pub5ujuMNtM

[Operator]

I think the problem with all this is that *NO - ONE*, and I mean *NO-ONE* knows for sure WHAT is going to happen.... It's all very exciting

Yes, it is exciting and I agree that even the people in the know have to guess a lot about what is going to play out.
(That's why they constantly have to ask their AI super computers simulating global situations isn't it ?)



....because this is literally unprecedented in the universe. It has simply NOT HAPPENED BEFORE...


Well you said No one knows ... and in particular we do not know if it never happened before !
You used it to bridge the post to this ...



and they're all watching us with baited breath to see how it progresses.
We know that we will make it, but the question really is in how we will travel the path from here to there - THAT will be interesting.
And most of the sleeping masses have simply NO idea WHATSOEVER what they are about to go through!


Which is speculation and hyping the uncertainties ... so adding to the confusion.
Maybe we should stop doing that ... confuse ourselves.



On a sidenote... My inner guidance was always telling me


Maybe we should use this more than to seek expertise from paid conferences ;)

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Thanks Loveandgratitude for that link to this video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pub5ujuMNtM

Some of the comments are interesting also.

Ski-

[loveandgratitude]

I HAVE BEEN UPDATING NEW INFORMATION ABOUT ELENIN ON THIS THREAD -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23075-Strange-object-captured-in-australia-----Nibiru

[Billy]

I will post Carl Calleman's comments as they are well worth a read.

Comets Honda and Elenin fulfill Mayan, Hopi and Christian
Prophesies as the Mayan calendar approaches its end
on October 28, 2011

Many people have now heard about the upcoming entry to the inner solar system of the comet Elenin (http://elenin.org) and there is a whole range of ideas and speculations about what this might entail. Comets have always been seen as harbingers of auspicious or (more commonly) ominous tidings and this one certainly is no exception. Ideas have been suggested that it is in fact a brown dwarf star, a spaceship or causes earthquakes. Regardless, this upcoming fall two comets, Honda and Elenin, later to be followed by Levy, will arrive creating a sequence of celestial bodies in the skies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swhme7X7tWI). The comet Elenin, which has received the greatest attention of these, is estimated to be at its shortest distance from Earth around October 16-20, 2011 close to the midpoint of the seventh day of the Ninth wave (or Universal Underworld). Especially since this is right before the true 13 Ahau culmination date of the Mayan calendar (October 28, 2011), this comet is, regardless of the specific nature and role that it may have, an end time phenomenon. These comets will then arrive against the background of deepening global political and economic chaos produced because the institutions of the world are not consistent with the incoming unity consciousness of the Ninth wave. This mandates a study of how this comet is related to end time prophecies from various sources.

In The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness (2004) I wrote:

“At least some minor earth changes may thus result from the high frequency change in consciousness that we are now undergoing. But the reversal of cause and effect to generate a doomsday view where such earth changes are presented as the very purpose of creation is untenable. Any possible physical effects should be seen only as by-products of the consciousness field, and most climatic change will still probably be caused by carbon dioxide emissions rather than some purported insidious divine plan for the destruction of the earth through geophysical changes.”

This then referred to the Galactic Underworld and it is probably true to say that it is only with the Universal Underworld (see figure below) that the frequency has become so high that the Earth changes can no longer be classified as minor. What also comes forth from this quote is that I have sought to distinguish my view from many who merely focus on Earth changes as such without providing a meaningful context for them. I have emphasized that the Mayan calendar is fundamentally about the evolution of consciousness and Earth changes are either serving this evolution or are spin-off effects of it. I have thus made the point that the current Ninth wave of the Mayan calendar shows an irreversible direction towards the unity consciousness that will culminate later this year.

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Figure 1. The Ninth wave of the Mayan calendar leading up to its end date of October 28, 2011 with indications of: A/ Closest distance to comet Honda, B/ Comet Elenin between the earth and the sun and C/ Closest distance to comet Elenin. (For details about the Ninth wave please see www.mayanninthwave.com ).

Some have however also questioned how, despite its high frequency the Ninth wave of the Mayan calendar would be able to bring about this new consciousness in such a short period of time. Yet, its days are now being expressed in the world oneness revolution with its epicenter in North Africa and Southern Europe (Most recently, Saudi women are starting to drive). We should also be aware that the second half of a wave always manifests its phenomena much more strongly than the first half and that so the world oneness revolution will intensify. The date July 4 as the beginning date of the second half, may imply that the demands for true democracy that are currently being raised in southern Europe will then also spread to the USA. In addition, a monetary collapse seems very likely to come some time in the month of August considering the high level of indebtedness and other factors in key nations. The Universal Underworld will then increasingly call us to become citizens of the cosmos and shed our currently limiting national confines.

Moreover, in this high frequency of change the Earth changes are likely to intensify and what is of interest here is that sometimes celestial bodies are synchronized with the evolution of the cosmic plan in such a way that they create leaps forward. This may also come to do so in the near future through the approaching comets. After all, the Cosmic Tree of Life, which the Mayan calendar is based on, is the synchronizing factor behind all events in the universe and we know that celestial bodies have played an evolutionary role in the past. Moreover, if such fine-tuned celestial events originate in the divine plan it should also mean that they could sometimes be foretold by prophecies.

Before going into prophecies I will give two examples of celestial bodies that have played a supporting role for the evolution of life on our planet. The first is the impact by a Mars sized celestial body that by current science is believed to have given rise to the moon 4.5 billon years ago. The other such miraculous event in the history of the Earth is the meteor that 65 million years ago hit it and gave rise to the Chicxulub crater in Mexico and darkened the sky for a long time. This led to the extinction of all dinosaurs and plesiosaurs on our planet. The reason that this seemingly destructive meteor may be called miraculous is that without it having exactly the size that it did we would not be here to talk about it today. The dinosaurs might still have been roaming around eating all mammals that showed promise of further evolution. If, on the other hand, this meteor would have been twice its actual size all life on earth – including the mammals – would have gone extinct and we would not be here now either. Moreover, this impact was very precisely timed so that it paved the way for the higher mammals that emerged at the beginning of the Seventh day of the Mammalian Underworld. These events, the formation of the moon and the extinction of the dinosaurs thus clearly served the further evolution of the cosmic plan and its purpose, but how these celestial bodies could have such precision in size and orbit to bring about the continued evolution of life on Earth still seems incomprehensible to a human mind. When it comes to the series of comets that are now approaching the Earth I thus feel we should be open to the possibility that also this is engineered by divine intelligence and plays a specific role that will prepare the world for the culmination of time on October 28, 2011. It should be pointed out then that there is nothing to indicate that it would be part of this plan for all life on earth to come to an end, either at previous events or in the future. On the other hand, this is not the same thing as saying that there will be no casualties.

To discuss the physical interactions that the two comets may come to have with the Earth – if any – is however difficult to do at the current time. The data that have been provided by official astronomical sites point to them as being too insignificant both in terms of their sizes and their orbits to have any direct influence on our planet. (http://www.astrosociety.org/elenin/ab2011-72.pdf). Yet, the estimates of these parameters have undergone change over time in a way that makes one wonder how certain they actually are and it may be that at this point no one can tell with certainty the exact values of these. Yet, unless some new data comes forth from credible astronomical sources I see no reason to doubt that they are but small chunks of ice. Regardless of this, these comets may still play significant roles in the “end time” scenario.

I thus feel that the synchronicity of Elenin with the end of the Mayan calendar is so compelling that it deserves to be explored how these comets may be related to certain ancient prophecies. Before we look into such prophecies we may note that some have read “Extinction Level Event Niburu Is Near” into the name ELENIN (from its Russian discoverer). A more appropriate reading given the dire outlook of the world’s monetary system in the second half of the Universal Underworld may however be El + Lenin (heralding God + anti-capitalist revolution). In the current discussions several suggestions have also been made that the comet Elenin is a manned spaceship and that the powers that be is involved in a conspiracy, building bunkers for themselves and keeping its upcoming approach secret to people at large. Be that as it may, because even if either one of them is true I do not think it changes much for us in the current situation.

The currently most popular idea regarding comet Elenin is that it is related to the proposed return of Nibiru, which is a hypothetical brown dwarf companion of our sun surrounded by a Planet X. The existence of Nibiru was initially proposed by Zecharia Sitchin based on his reading of Sumerian texts, but before he passed away last year he clearly stated that he did not believe it had anything to do with 2012 and it is indeed very hard to understand why it would. The idea that Nibiru would return in 2012 or more specifically on December 21, 2012 is not backed by any evidence whatsoever. Yet, Nibiru has appeared in video clips watched by millions on YouTube in a strange brew with Sitchin’s ideas and the wrong end date of the Mayan calendar. While the proponents of this idea talk widely about cover-ups and conspiracies keeping us in the dark about its existence there is in fact no evidence that Nibiru exists. Moreover, the Nibiru connection to 2012 is questionable already since no ancient Mayan prophecy implies its existence. The Nibiru connection to 2012 then becomes even more questionable when you realize that its proponents have replaced the Mayan calendar’s charting of evolution with proposed effects of this hypothetical planet to explain the course of human events. Personally, I see no reason to embrace an idea, which lacks foundation either in modern science or ancient prophecy. Yet, since it has gained such an enormous popularity, often in association with a proposed pole shift and reversal of the Earth’s spinning, it seems possible that it mimics a scenario that will indeed take place, but with another basis. Could it for instance be that this collectively shared vision is not true as such, but that it points to an approaching comet and that this coincides, not with an electromagnetic pole shift, but with a shift in the polarity of consciousness in a way that we know will happen from the Mayan calendar?

The Hopi prophecy provides another source to consider regarding Elenin (and possibly its predecessor Honda), since this comet may be the Blue Star Kachina – the Eye of God – which is one of its signs of the end of time.

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star… These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying. Many of my people, understanding the prophecies, shall be safe. Those who stay and live in the places of my people also shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon -- very soon afterward -- Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in their hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World.”

My intuition tells me that Elenin indeed is the Blue Star, which according to the above seems to imply some kind of near impact. To be certain of this we will have to wait and see what color it has. It is however already noteworthy that the Ninth and last sign of the Hopi Prophecy corresponds to what is produced by the Ninth and highest wave of the Mayan calendar. Maybe this comet is in fact also a sign of the returning Quetzalcoatl, the Plumed Serpent, of Aztec/Toltec prophecy.

Thirdly, there are messages from Christian prophets from the past century (http://olrl.org/proph
ecy/daysdark.shtml), who say that at the end of time there will be Three Days of Darkness. This provides an interesting parallel to those of Mayan elders and for this you may consult a video clip of Mayan elder Don Alejandro Oxlaj (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcaez8jn2Zg). as part of the Shift of the Ages movie (http://www.shiftoftheages.com/), where he talks about these coming Three Days of Darkness. I have previously been very skeptical of this idea, since it has seemed outside of what is physically possible, but since the same vision has come from other, quite independent, sources it becomes easier to accept. There may now also be a mechanism that could explain it. Thus, a few YouTube clips have suggested that as comet Elenin passes between the Earth and the sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afhmhfzjiho), which is expected to happen around September 25, 2011, there will be three days of darkness. I do not think that this prediction enjoys the support of professional astronomers, and yet, things may come to happen in a way that is currently difficult to understand. After all, as we come to October 28, 2011 Nine Underworlds, covering a total of 16 billion years of evolution, will be manifesting “in their full regalia” in accordance with the Tortuguero monument. Thus, I feel we have reason to expect that the Creator may have some surprises in store for us ultimately in order to turn this world into one of harmony.

The dramatic nature of this upcoming end scenario of the Mayan calendar is highlighted by the fact that there are two comets becoming visible in the second half of the Ninth wave. Before Elenin, the comet Honda will be at its closest distance (0.077 AU) from the Earth at the beginning of the fifth night on August 17, 2011. What makes this interesting is that there are several prophecies that talk about two comets that signal, and play unique roles at, the end of time. Helen Tzima Otto has written an important trilogy of books (the last one of which is called A Five Year Plan in the Divine Economy: The Timing of the Divinely-Ordained Events, The Verenikia Press, 2011) that may be indispensable for our understanding of the upcoming scenario. These are serious books that also add critical arguments against the pop culture end date of the Mayan calendar: December 21, 2012 (She points out that the strongest argument of its advocates seems to be that most people think that this is the end date). The trilogy discusses the relatively widespread end time prophecies from more recent Christian prophets describing the advent of a pair of comets. (Note; these prophets are not American televangelists, but people, often of humble origins, belonging to the Catholic or Greek Orthodox traditions. It then also deserves to be pointed out that these prophecies refer to comets and not to planets or brown dwarfs.)

To appreciate the importance of these prophecies we should note that Otto’s books were written without a knowledge or mention of the fact that the comet Elenin had even been discovered on December 10, 2010 or that the comet Honda would precede it. Thus, her extensive accounting of prophecies of two different comets was not written to explain the rather unusual situation we happen to be in right now just as the Mayan calendar is coming to an end. For two comets to appear in such close proximity to this end is of course a considerably more improbable phenomenon than for only one to do so. The message of these prophecies is that a pair of two comets will signal an urgency to surrender to and convert to the will of God before it is too late. Since I have previously argued that the purpose of the Ninth wave is to bring an altered relationship to God, unity consciousness, this comes as no surprise. According to these prophecies the first comet will be associated with the Illumination of Conscience as signs of a supernatural nature will begin to appear. At the flyby of the second comet, called the Comet of Chastisement, the Three Days of Darkness will occur. Given what we know about the Mayan calendar culminating on October 28, 2011 it seems obvious that the two comets Honda and Elenin are serious candidates to fulfill these prophecies.

In the abovementioned end time prophecies people are recommended to stay inside their homes with blessed candles and not look out the windows as these comets fly by. They insist on constant prayer for three days after contemplating how we may have offended God. This makes sense since if we are to become fully transparent and attain unity consciousness we will need to lit though all the dark compartments of our beings and all the actions of our past. It is then interesting to note that Mayan elder Don Alejandro Oxlaj in an interview I made with him five years ago recommended that the Three Days of Darkness should be devoted to contemplation and meditation. How much of these prophecies is metaphor is hard to tell, as well as what is meant by “days”, but mostly it comes through as a very literal physical scenario. We need to prepare ourselves spiritually for this by doing what we can to set things right, but according to various prophecies we also need to prepare ourselves in more practical ways.

If Elenin is this second comet it would imply that at the time of its closest distance from the earth many people will be afraid. In the same way as the Hopi talk about the Great Purification it is then said in these Christian prophecies that only those that are pure will survive this event by not succumbing to the fear. Several prophesies talk about some form of disturbance of the earth’s position and large earthquakes so that a large part of humanity will not live to inherit the Earth. Yet, we are also told that we are not supposed to fear these events and have faith that the world will continue. There are ample descriptions on the Internet that the reader may consult regarding such prophecies of three days of darkness and it will be up to each individual to decide how to look upon them. While this may sound dire enough, it can also be looked upon as an opportunity to clear out darkness from ourselves, something which is a necessity if a new world with people in harmony is going to be born out of the chaos that will now deepen further.

I see three different possibilities as to how three days of darkness could be generated in association with Elenin. The first is that the comet has such a large tail that it covers the sun (less likely). The second is that it comes so close that it destabilizes the Earth (also less likely). The third, which I consider the most likely, requires some additional background as to why there are geological earth changes to begin with: Earthquakes appear because of the continental drift on the surface of the earth, which originates in convection streams in its magma. A significant purpose of the continental drift is to create a global brain that the human beings need to be in resonance with in order to manifest the cosmic plan. In my books Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time (2001) and The Purposeful Universe (2009) I describe how the separation of the world into two continental blocks is correlated with shifts in the Mayan calendar (in the 2nd wave). We also know that certain waves, such as the Seventh and Ninth, were initiated by huge earthquakes (9.2) in Lisbon and Japan in 1755 and 2011, respectively. I believe that the latter earthquakes happened because at the activation of new waves with higher frequencies adjustments were effected in the core of the Earth to adapt to a new polarity of consciousness. It is thus clear that the continental drift and earthquakes in a very general sense follow the Mayan calendar. It is only that this does not help us to predict many small earthquakes or their precise locations.

Because of the need for such an adjustment for the transmission of unity consciousness I suspect that seismic activity will continue at an intense rate throughout the Ninth Wave. However, and this is the point, if several waves have seen major geological upheavals at their initiation should we then not expect major cataclysms also around the time when all the nine waves simultaneously come to fruition on October 28, 2011? This very culmination of the Mayan calendar could mean a need for quite a dramatic adjustment of the inner core of the earth and as a consequence massive seismic activity on the surface of the earth. The arrival of Elenin, possibly the Blue Star, would then simply “happen” to occur in synchrony with earthquakes, which in reality result from a fine-tuning of the global brain to create resonance with the new field of unity consciousness. The geological activity expected as the calendar comes to an end would then generate so many eruptions and gases that the sky would become dark for three days. The adjusted core of the Earth will then automatically favor those that have a highly developed resonance with the field of unity consciousness and are guided by it. In this scenario the appearance of the Blue Star is merely synchronized with the earthquake and serves as a messenger, but plays no causative role for it.

This model may be difficult to grasp for those that want more mechanical explanations to earth changes such as for instance Elenin, Nibiru, HAARP or just random events. Yet, evidence for the creation waves of the Mayan calendar is there for everyone to study in my books and there is a reason that the Maya call their calendar Sacred. This reason is that it describes a divine plan, which is developed through nine processes of Seven days and six nights. What we are witnessing now is the culmination of this divine plan, a culmination, which may be expected to be quite spectacular and it is for this reason that we may find important information relating to the Mayan calendar also in the Bible and the Quran. Ultimately the orchestrator is God, who very likely would not like to see this world end in disaster after 16 billion years of evolution. It is because the Mayan calendar describes a divinely orchestrated plan that I suspect that this end time scenario accomplishes exactly what it is meant to and this is not the end of life on earth. Without such an understanding that life on earth is the result of a divine plan the basis for faith in the future of humanity could however easily disappear.

It may be argued that it is not so important exactly what mechanism – comet, space ship, Nibiru or cosmic plan – that will trigger this end time scenario. What may be most important is how we relate to it and the transformation of the human mind that it implies. There is however a curious practical consequence of whether you believe in an impact from space or processes inherent in creation when it comes to how you may need to prepare yourself. If there will be a risk of an impact by a celestial body then the logical consequence is to seek shelter underground. If on the other hand there will be earthquakes because the evolutionary processes come to an end, which I have suggested, it is logical to seek refuge in the hills or out on sea. Those in resonance with the unity consciousness transmitted by the core of the Earth will know what to do.

As we come to October 28, 2011 the field of duality will on a cosmic level have been transcended and a transition to unity consciousness may well be a condition for the survival to the new world. The prophecies associated with the two comets seem to be in alignment with some of the conclusions that I have previously drawn regarding the Ninth wave; for instance that what we are to do now is to shift from serving our egos to serving the divine plan and that indeed we need to commit to do so for a harmonization of the world to take place. This is also the reason that over the years I have consistently emphasized the consciousness aspect of the Mayan calendar saying that it has an irreversible direction towards unity and light because if this, the most important aspect of the calendar, is ignored there would indeed be very little hope for the human race.

The prophetic meanings that I have here assigned to these comets are possibilities and not scientific certainties. Yet, I intuit that something important is going to happen related to these comets that no one may at the present moment be able to understand fully or have the factual basis to analyze. If we combine our knowledge of the evolutionary model of the Mayan calendar with various end time prophecies it however makes total sense that the two comets are the messengers of the transformation of the old and the birth of a new world. In this way we can see a perfect consistency between prophecies of a varied origin and the model of the Mayan calendar of Nine Underworlds and Thirteen Heavens culminating on the date October 28, 2011 (13 Ahau). Having this knowledge the question is essentially how we are to use it and this may need to be thoroughly discussed in the time ahead.

According to the Hopi Prophecy the Kachina shall stop its dance and take off its mask as the Blue star appears for the Great Purification. This I believe alludes to what for many years I consistently have been saying in all of my lectures namely that as the filters (the masks) disappear we will no longer be puppets (Kachinas) of the divine plan and free to be and create without being subordinated to the divine evolutionary processes described by the Mayan calendar. As a new world is born people will after October 28, 2011 live life moment by moment by moment being free to create reality in accordance with their newly gained unity consciousness. This is the birth of the new world of peace that is as much a part of these prophecies as the difficulties that will precede it.
Carl Johan Calleman
Seattle, June 23, 2011 (3 Ben)

Carl Johan Calleman is the author of Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time: The Mayan Calendar (Garev 2001), The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness (Bear and Co, 2004) and The Purposeful Universe (Bear and Co, 2009). His web site is www.calleman.com. See also www.mayanninthwave.com and www.treeoflifecelebration.com.

[Mutchie]

yet again we hear that this object may be under intelligent control of some kind it seems to me that someone somewhere knows exactly what this is all about and i dont know about a false flag alien invasion for all i know this could be the real thing i mean we just dont know do we ?

[Mutchie]

does anyone have information on the fact that this object may be under some kind of intelligent control

[Calz]

yet again we hear that this object may be under intelligent control of some kind it seems to me that someone somewhere knows exactly what this is all about and i dont know about a false flag alien invasion for all i know this could be the real thing i mean we just dont know do we ?

I expect "someone" "somewhere" does know what this is about ... but I would hazard to guess that nobody here at avalon does so no one is holding anything from you.

The movement and shape are not "natural" for a comet. It seems to have an "unnatural" propensity for finding itself in alignments when major earthquakes hit (but you know there are several paths there).

There you go ... you have a front row seat and are on a par with everyone else now.

Have a seat ... take a deep breath ... pop some popcorn and break open a beer (or whatever you like to do to relax).

:pop2:

We are all in this together bro :grouphug:

Ain't it GREAT??? :nod:

[Sidney]

earth is in deep trouble, I followed a large object with four moons last summer moving on a straight line every night same path. I couldn't find any info, news, local or national talking about it really pissed me off. it was too big to be a star and too small to be the moon. It was the biggest object in the sky. If indeed this was planet x, elenin the magnetic wave between planets and the sun now is in trouble from a large planet passing through the wave disrupting the balance of our solar system and could drag us out of orbit and out of our solar system. the sun and planet x will fight for earth's orbit. the object was in google sky first in 2007, if you notice google earth plays in 2011 but switch to google sky and it's in 2007 never goes to 2011. the path of planet x is filled with pix problems, lines of neon red and green, strange shapes and pixalation. the bible does say the heavens will be rolled away like a scroll and a new earth will be created. this is the most important event we will ever face, who can stop the sun? who can change the path of a planet? who can build a solar system? WE CHANGE TO SPIRITUAL BEINGS AND SHIFT, THOSE THAT DON'T WILL LIVE A POST APOCOLIPTIC NUCLEAR AFTERMATH WITH THE PTB LIVING UNDERGROUND. all the other ufo, history, lies, mind control, robots, clones, chemtrails, bloodlines, money manipulation, secret groups, black ops, gobbldegoop will mean nothing without a PLANET IN BALANCE AROUND A SUN.:frusty:



I too observed this as saw it night after night. There are some youtube vids of this object. It pissed me off too that nothing, not a shred of acknowledgement of this object from the media (or anyone else for that matter).

[Hervé]

[...]
I think you are mixing it up when a body would come from far beneath the ecliptic sharply crossing it
in direction from south to north ... that would only be visible on the southern hemisphere until just before it
crosses the ecliptic

Speaks for itself:


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[Mutchie]

ah well if anything im happy i didnt pay 33 dollars for 5 hours of confusion cause thats what it appears to of been !!!

[ulli]

Mutchie:
"does anyone have information on the fact that this object may be under some kind of intelligent control"

Ulli:
Intelligent control would mean a path that is unpredictable...
Up until now it looks like a normal comet to me.

I think the disinfo machine is running at full speed now, churning out all sorts of silly scenarios.
I'm afraid that I feel a bit overwhelmed by it all
where in the past I would rise to the challenge and just dig deeper I have recently not been as intense in my research as I would like to be.

The thing is that I believe so much of everything is directed by mass consciousness which in turn is directed by the media, which in turn is directed by the global planners
and even though the effect on reality of just ONE conscious person outweighs thousands of sleeping sheep...
right now I'm not so sure if anyone is conscious at all...probably projecting here...


Then there is always the option to believe that the controllers mean well...then I can really relax and go back and sleep some more, lol...

Anyway, there wouldnt be a sophisticated media machine if "they" didn't want to direct public opinion...it's like a wave machine.

Their game is all about creating the future of the human race
The mind can create ideas, but to make those ideas r e a l emotions are needed, they produce the motion, they are the fuel
and that fuel is public opinion, belief and emotion
and what is driving that emotion? the same old same old
boys wanting to impress their peers, and get laid, and girls wanting to get their man and have babies and decorate their nests...
consumerism is about a diversity of styles, whether that nest decor is Italian designer or Chinese copies...

the poor underclass is maintained to have recruitment materials for the war machine...which is now run by contractors

What they don't want is a bunch of Avalonians figuring out where their think tanks are at and what they are plotting, hence they keep telling us all these Elenin stories, using New Age plants....using "prophesies", using "scientists"....

what I think is that they really are seeing their own death and demise, their own rulership ending, and that appears to them like the end of the world, which they are then projecting at the rest of us...

what we need to do is focus on maintaining serenity and calmness...
that will still the sun....the weather
just staying away from drama will diminish the drama.

Globalisation and world government is inevitable if humanity is going to have representation in a larger galactic context

whether that government is enlightened and respectful of the citizens, or oppressive and heavy handed...
that depends entirely of the level of consciousness of the masses that helped to produce such a global government

[Calz]

ah well if anything im happy i didnt pay 33 dollars for 5 hours of confusion cause thats what it appears to of been !!!

I was happy to pass a little green to camelot.

Camelot and Avalon have given freely so much to my life for several years now ... Kerry and Bill both need to be "compensated" in terms of an "energy exchange".

Why so many squawk about giving back is a mystery to me.

It wasn't "confusing" to me. PTB/W tried *DAMN* hard to shut things down with the DOS attacks.

Some donate ... why detract from an "exchange of energy"???

[Operator]

[...]
I think you are mixing it up when a body would come from far beneath the ecliptic sharply crossing it
in direction from south to north ... that would only be visible on the southern hemisphere until just before it
crosses the ecliptic

Speaks for itself:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=8246&d=1309187816&thumb=1

Uhh ?
This image shows that Elenin is NOT far beneath the ecliptic. So Elenin must be visible just like the other planets in our solar system.

An object coming steeply from the south (hence not visible on the northern hemisphere) more or less follows the vertical line
drawn through the center of the sun from bottom to top.

It looks like you confirmed my statement ... so now I am confused if there is a misunderstanding at all :confused:

[ghostrider]

under intelligent control? yes or no, it doesn't matter the dark star will have a HUGE AFFECT on earth, the more ingredents, the better the stew, everyone has their theory, the people with the technology to really deal with elenin hold all the cards. I can only speculate, but something killed the dinosaurs, something made the grand canyon, something gave a galactic smack to the moon, it has burnt spots, and something destroyed the planet where now there is an asteroid belt. I THINK THIS IS THE EVENT TO PAY THE MOST ATTENTION TO. E L E N I N . gonna go off the deep end for a minute or two, anyone seen DEEP IMPACT? An african-american president told the world about an E L E, all his cabinet members strangely wanted out, no second term, the world took to a new cnn reporter for all their updates on E L E, tidal wave ensues a city destroyed , water everywhere, then the waters go back down. DOES THIS SOUND LIKE PRESIDENT OBAMA, HIS RETIRING STAFF, PEOPLE LOOK TO CNN, A TIDAL WAVE IS COMING, AND THERE WILL BE LOTS OF WATER RISING? COINCIDENCE? OR HEADS UP? ANYONE?

[ghostrider]

I found elenin today on google sky, you must view it with the infrared box checked and boom there it is, it's huge. just up and right of leo just right of the constellation line. the picture is from june 7 2007, funny you can't look at google sky in 2011. put the pic on my profile page taken with my cell phone from google sky june 27 2011.:yo:

[mosquito]

Hmmmmm, thanks for all the info peeps, especially Love&Gratitude for all the links etc., but I for one can't say I'm any less bloody confused !!!!!

Contrary to what's been stated in another Avalon thread, Comet Elenin appears to be real, and just a comet. What the hell is Nibiru ? Real or imaginery ? Massive dark star or puny bit of rock ?

Maybe it's just a low-vibrational manifestation of a cosmic golf ball, sent hurtling into our universe by some multi-dimensional version of Donald Duck (Oh God, I'm not going to get sued for infringing Disney's copyright, am I ?). I feel divine madness coming on, think it's time to go and talk to the trees ! ;)

[craig mitchell]

Oh, soooooooooooo confusing ain't it? Well, it's not that I don't think that there will be some changes coming down, but the withholding ones are doing their best to keep their cards (as they see them, you know, peering through their particular lens of perception) close to their chest, whilst constantly glancing nervously over their shoulders hoping the doors to down under haven't slammed before they can scurry down, down, and down. Can you imagine what it's like to actually want to go there and not be HERE?

You think we have a difficult time figuring it all out! I mean, imagine being worried about making the cut in terms of getting their posteriors into the shelters of doom and not getting their forked tails clipped off when it all shuts with a bang! Makes ya nuts, huh? Did their free pass get revoked and they just weren't told, or were they lied to? (oh, that's a constant worry in the in crowd!)

We should send 'em a get well card, or condolences for their loss, or at least water their lawn for them to let them know someone cares, when they come sheepishly crawling out acting like they just came back from an unscheduled vacation where they had so much fun, that they're worn out and need to take a little break, read the mail, and figure out where the dog might be, like under the porch or something.

People, don't be so self concerned, have a little compassion for the brown dwarfs of humankind for pete's sake. Oh, sure check your water jugs, see if the food you put by is still there or did the kids trade it to their friends for something of real value like video games or skin mags, or fruit loops and such.
I'm going to concentrate on mundane things like paying my bills (or most of them) creating some beauty and harmony such as I can in my allotted time, and make damn sure there is coffee stored away because you don't want to experience my wife in the morning without it!!!! Talk about a massively pissed off comet!!!! Gosh, I'd better get busy right now! Ta-Ta, have to go.

Regards, Craig

[loveandgratitude]

This image is the composite of the R,V,B images I took with the GRAS-004 in new Mexico. The comet iwat right in the center of the image. To me it appears that it is beginning to elongate. That is what I saw. 25th June 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_njF265TZNM


A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE 26th JUNE 2011

This is a very basic video. This to me proves that NASA knows more then they are telling. PEOPLE BE PREPARED, SOMETHING NEW IS COMING TOWARDS US. As amazing as it sounds it might even be a UFO.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGZh1LeKR4E

[loveandgratitude]

Elenin Jun 17th & Honda Jun 14th JPL Data

New JPL Data on Two of the upcoming Comets.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVDPf8IZ9E&feature=related

[Thefrenzy1978]

I want to go back to the underground bases or citys what ever you want to call them ,one why would the rats run underground flooding is out of the question not all these bases are located in the mountains so i think we can rule out tidal waves and flooding ,two an ice age no i would not want to be underground for that being trapped by ice dont sound like fun .
3. A physical axis shift of the Earth no don't think so i would not want to be underground for that.
4. Mega quakes again no not a good idea to be underground for that aswell.

so lets give some good reasons to be underground in a disaster.
1. To hide from heat seem sensible to be underground for that.
2. Comet or Aseroids strike would seems sensible to be underground for that depending of course where it strikes.
3. Some sort of nuclear fallout ie WW3 nuclear attack yep would want to be underground for that one.
4. Some sort of cosmic energy which we don't understand seems sensible try to hide from it underground.
5. Some sort of other radiation maybe from the Sun yes good place to be for that.

Please feel free to add any reasons for not being underground in a disaster or to be a good place to be in a disaster , maybe we can use deduction to find out whats happening or going to happen.

thanks Mike

[Mutchie]

heavy hardcore

[stardustaquarion]

I don't know but Mr Farrell, fresh from his participation in the Camelot Project "Elenin" comference has this to say

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-x5O4Ta-A&feature=player_embedded

:heh: Kerry Cassidy, eat your heart out!

[stardustaquarion]

Judging for what Joseph Farrell (one of the speakers) said after the conference, those that did not part with their cash did not missed much :D

WHERE IS MIKE FLANCHERED WHEN YOU NEED HIM?
June 25, 2011 By Joseph P. Farrell 51 Comments

Well, by now some of you may be aware that I have had an epiphany of sorts of just yesterday, regarding the woeful state of alternative research and its “community”. What started out as an attempt to bring some sanity and analysis into the whole Comet Elenin matter became…what? Well, for one thing, introductions are supposed to be, well, introductions, not endless excursions through the tulips of nine-terraced pyramids at Tikal, which are by a process of reasoning that remain obscure to me, each examples of evolution at the biological, political, social, and cosmic scales, then from there into resonance effects and a deluge of numbers and calculations barely visible on my screen, to something about brown dwarf stars, Zechariah Sitchin, and how hydrogen bombs cause resonance effects.

Having trouble following all that? Well, if so, join the club.

What I’m referring to is a video conference I was asked to participate in the other day. Now, mind you, I don’t begrudge the invitation, but what gave me increasingly stupefied pause as I listened to most of the other speakers was how far afield they ranged from the actual topic of discussion, which was supposed to be the Comet Elenin and all the media-internet hype associated with it. As I listened to the other speakers, I kept thinking to myself “Why am I here? What has any of my research to do with this?”

Again, what was supposed to be a kind of analytical stage to parse various scenarios became a jarring Picasso-esque experiment in video cubism, with so many dissonant perspectives that what emerged was a clanging confusion and no real analysis at all, and certainly no picture(s), at least, not any I felt really comfortable in identifying with. In fact, to refer to it as a kind of video cubism is to do an injustice to Picasso, for even his paintings retain some semblance of the objective and order. What this was turned out to be more like a video experiment cousin to Jackson Pollock. There was little moderation of any effective sort, no attempt to blend a good mix of panelists with their backgrounds. And on questions that I had little or no interest (or even knowledge), it was of course at that juncture the moderator asked me for commentary…

… Frankly, I sat there, stunned… unable to form a clear thought because there was – with a couple of exceptions – so little of it taking place. It reinforced, however, my conviction that the video and audio media are, for the most part, incapable of communicating detail that is best communicated in books, and that the alternative community is less about research than it is about agendas and divas each singing to a different libretto. To say that I was frustrated with the whole course of events would be to put it very mildly. The relaxed atmosphere of radio, an extended conversation, I do not mind, but I shall be more mindful in the future of conferences and so on, if only to avoid the impression of endorsing ideas I do not endorse. Only one other panelist took care to state that when one is trying to “read the tea leaves,” or proposing a scenario, that one isn’t holding it as some sort of dogma. I tried to inject, initially, some sanity into the proceedings but realized it was a lost cause. So….never again!

One person put it to me best, referring to the interview my co-author on Grid of the Gods, Dr. Scott D. deHart’s eleven-year-old son Bennett, did with me as the talking rubber ball Mike Flanchered, and which I posted elsewhere on this site: Mike Flanchered did a better interview, was more to the point, and took far less time to do it, than did this experience. I agree.
http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/06/where-is-mike-flanchered-when-you-need-him/

[ancientastronauts]

Hey guys, I am new here. So i can't start a new Thread, But someone may want to. Today at 1:30PM Nasa will be answering questions that are tweeted on twitter using #ASKNASA. if you search that term in twitter, you will see that I have the first two questions. the live stream will be Video here - http://www.ustream.tv/nasatelevision .. again 1:30 PM EAST TODAY!!!!
I think we should all ask tangible questions about G19, nemesis, elenin, Hercolobus, etc..

UPDATE.. MY questions are the only questions up there.. this forum has the chance TO TAKE OVER the NASA questioning today.. SERIOUSLY...

[Maia Gabrial]

IMO lets wait and see what happens before panicking. Right now, the lies/misinformations are too great. NASA should realize that they're the last ones we should ever trust. Their history for deceptions bears this out....
Know all sides, even the lies, so that you can make better decisions....

[loveandgratitude]

Remember they thrive off drama and chaos. So the need to remain calm and clear. I think they are pepetuating this to create chaos intentionally. Why. Marsahall Law perhaps? Most independant astronomers say that this will not hit the earth. Always good to stock up on food and water etc in case of general upheaveals with the food supply.

[Carmody]

Dr. James McCanney posted this on his website a few days ago.

"it is clear that an extensive group of people are behind this and they are getting major press and air time ... then in clear disinformation style the NASA owned press has the "white hats" (the NASA "good-guys") riding in to save the day telling you not to listen to all those quacks on the internet (pointing directly to these many sites which distort my name and work which as i said is being completely mis-represented by the same disinformation crew in what we have come to learn over the years is a well orchestrated dog and pony show ... with the same disinformation crew controlling both sides of the "debate") ."

And this is what is done on the global stage by the various secret groups. The only way they can assure the outcome is what they want-- is that they control both sides of the given debate.

We saw it in technicolor on this forum a few months back.

[Carmody]

Remember they thrive off drama and chaos. So the need to remain calm and clear. I think they are perpetuating this to create chaos intentionally. Why. Marshall Law perhaps? Most independent astronomers say that this will not hit the earth. Always good to stock up on food and water etc in case of general upheaveals with the food supply.

A response of mine ( a small bit of the given post) from a thread of yore:

In many ways, this is the crux of the matter..as in the astral realms I spoke of how it seems as if the power of human imagination is one of the big things we seem to have over that of the more literal reptilians and similar. Imagination is part of the power of creation, whereas determinance is the strength of the reptilian types when it comes to manifestation. Their absolute surety in themselves is part of their determinance and strength. Ie, they suffer no doubt, and this is part and parcel of their strength in astral and otherwise 'manifestation'. It is also their Achilles heel when it comes to dealing with humans. Humans being filled with the capacity to create in astral realms due to their capacity for imagination. But the other side of the coin is that we can be captured in doubt and fears, the antithesis of imagination and love. Doubt....due to a myriad of possibilities in unknowns.

Our very imagination is what causes us to not make decisions of surety. Our capacity to interpret what we see or 'think we see'. This is our Achilles heel which the reptilian types and our very own local and 'real world' humans use to manipulate us by and through.

Therefore, it becomes obvious that maintaining a state of ignorance in mankind is literally what freezes us into inaction - like a deer in the headlights.

Thus the motto of the PTB....'Order through Chaos'.

Understanding that one point is critical to orienting one's mind to the core aspect of the problem at hand. Within the scope of questions and answers, the concept is that the perfect question actually does in reality, define the scope, shape, and placement of the answer. This is part of the critical process of understanding exactly where one stands when attempting to deal with these questions and their myriad possibilities due to not enough information being available for the answer to appear 'in absolute terms' (ego function!)....for the bulk of humanity.....so that bulk may consider directions.

[D-Day]

I found the below video and the text/info that follows it pretty interesting. That said, I'd be very interested to hear what the Comet Elenin researchers here at PA make of it... anyone?

Source: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/741/724/Elenin_-_7-7_Warning.html



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9qRdT1rFi0&feature=player_embedded

7-7 WARNING RECEIVED:

" Hi guys: Here is the deal: The ELE Timeline says we must arrive at our bugout cavern locations during the month of August, because the solar maximum threat for storms is centered on 9/11/2011; when ELE reaches perigee position directly on the ecliptic plane at maximum velocity.

We extend the red line warning two weeks on each side of that date and extend caution warnings accordingly. That means the solar storm threat extends back into August and we need safety windows allowing our people to travel before the CME's become fierce and the electromagnetic pulse threat can possibly knock out the electronics in their vehicles and devices. I continue to feel confident that the solar threat safety windows in green will hold and that our survival members can use the August 1 bugout date and arrive safely at the bugout locations.

However, intelligence reports we are seeing around the nation say other threat assessment personnel have extended those safety windows for their people back to July 7, 2011, so that their people are deploying to their bunker positions three weeks ahead of our schedule. Cru4t recently bought five sub-zero sleeping bags from a large survival supply company and they shipped the wrong sleeping bags.

Cru4t from our group called the company after hours and happened to get the owner on the phone by coincidence. The owner told crew that a rich party purchased his entire survival warehouse inventory and that he and his family had been offered the opportunity to join their group in an underground bunker starting in the first week of July, but the rich party gave no reason explaining why such measures were required.

Cru4t knows full well why we are rushing to the cavern positions to hide from the approaching dwarf star and he informed the survival supply owner of these things, which turned on the lights and allowed him to completely understand the strange events that had been taking place around him for some time now. Here is our problem: The reason we have not included the "Martial Law Threat" into our threat assessment reports is because the Elite want the same freedom of movement we enjoy to make every preparation to meet the ELE threats on a list that are long as your arm; not to mention that society is about to collapse all around us and hungry mobs will gather into large gangs going house to house taking anything they can to survive day to day in a situation that evolves from chaos to mayhem.

If the Elite are telling their people to be in their bunkers by the 7/7/2011 Saturn alignment, then they likely realize that Saturn is going to give us a sign that ELE is attempting to wrestle Saturn polarity from the Sun. That means the Elite may very well be looking at staging an 'event' that leads the USA into Martial Law. That would allow the Elite and our corrupt Govt to deploy their 'sleeping contingent' who know nothing about the ELE dwarf star into harm's way by orchestrating a staged 'event' in the Midwest USA, by blowing up a dam and causing a cascade effect that brings down all the dams along the Missouri River Network, which would become the biggest disaster in US History.

That kind of event could close roads and block access from the Northeast USA to the Ozarks requiring our people to make detours north and south in an attempt to race the flood waters. Then Martial Law is declared and we have another set of roadblocks from corrupt authorities again trying to block our access to the Ozarks by every means possible.

The eastern and western regions of the USA are NOT SAFE. The Yellowstone Caldera out west is going to blow later in the timeline like the Mississippi River Valley is going to liquify from Michigan all the way to the Gulf Coast once ELE gets here and the salt dome area to the south suffers collapse. The Eastern Seaboard Fault System is going to unlock as the New Madrid Fault Zone erupts with activity to initiate the liquification of t he entire Midwest, which will cause meltdown scenarios of multiple nuclear power plants that turn the area east of the Mississippi River into a literal dead zone.

That is why everyone east of the Mississippi must plan to make the trip WEST to be in the central USA before the liqufication of that area 'and' before the solar storm threat knocks out the power grid and communication grid much earlier in the timeline. Everyone stuck in the eastern and western USA beyond the power/communication grids going down will be stuck in DEAD ZONES. That is why you must take these warnings seriously and get to the Ozarks before the solar threat in August and perhaps before the staged event that could come around the 7/7/2011 Sun/ELE/Saturn alignment. Terral" ================================================ ...b.

[greybeard]

The big credibility problem for me is my age.
Ive heard it all many times before.
The Sixties I grew up in had its Nuclear war fear -- and on it goes.
That is not to say it is not the real thing now.

Time will tell.
Thanks for the video etc though

Chris

[Calz]

Dr. James McCanney posted this on his website a few days ago.

"it is clear that an extensive group of people are behind this and they are getting major press and air time ... then in clear disinformation style the NASA owned press has the "white hats" (the NASA "good-guys") riding in to save the day telling you not to listen to all those quacks on the internet (pointing directly to these many sites which distort my name and work which as i said is being completely mis-represented by the same disinformation crew in what we have come to learn over the years is a well orchestrated dog and pony show ... with the same disinformation crew controlling both sides of the "debate") ."

And this is what is done on the global stage by the various secret groups. The only way they can assure the outcome is what they want-- is that they control both sides of the given debate.

We saw it in technicolor on this forum a few months back.

Nice way of approaching it.

[loveandgratitude]

Comet Elenin is just a COMET!

NOTHING TO FEAR - IMPORTANT UPDATE

Nibiru Tracker 2012 "After the BOOT!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_QyShfQCSE

Good morning all.

First I want to thank YT user/TheBuzzdev for helping me with my images. He has been an asset to our team of two.

This is my thoughts for today about Comet Elenin C/2010 X1.

I made my own room for Comet Elenin Astronomer Research on PalTalk (search it; it's there)

Getting booted from Terral's room was enough for me to reexamine my ability to walk the fence on the issue. There is no going back now.

This is a comet 4-18km in diameter with a small, diffuse tail. The orbital path has been predetermined by NASA and JPL and The Minor Planet observatory.

On 9/11/2011 it crosses the ecliptic plane. On September 26th it is directly in between us and the Sun at about 22-44 million miles away.

This distance will limit the threat of bright meteorite type light shows at night during this time. The threat of magnetic anomalies is extremely low with this object. Remember; it's ice and dust, not an object with lots of mass or density or electricity or magnetism.

I took five hours yesterday reading people who know more about comets than I do. After speaking with a number of intelligent people I am satisfied of our finding based on the actual images taken by my own hand (remember that... my own hand.)

Now you can believe what you want. I'll still be here taking pictures, proving it to myself.

You want to hear it from me yourself? http://chat.paltalk.com/g2/paltalk/1403179205

[Ian Gordon]

Thank you,
Elenin, is just the messenger, there are asteriods such as YU55 and other comets such as Honda which come closer to earth than Elenin does, within the same time scale. The important thing is to move away from the fear of disaster and embrace the message of change. As Inelia put it, how rocky the path of the shift will be, will be dependant on the collective, so fear not.
Prepare for the worst if you want, but do it without fear, without what if's. Protect your own energy, do not wasted it on fear porn, just make your own free will informed decision.
My own view is we will be fine, we need to heed the messages brought by the Astrology and comet alignments and the moving sun earth alignment with the centre of the milky way, we need to prepare for the planet to have a bit of a wake up, wether that is a close shave, solar storm, asteroid shower, i dont know but know mankind will come through. I just personally feel that if the planet doesnt have a collective wake up call too many will not awaken and the path will become harder.
so chill pill and peace everyone.

[greybeard]

Having listened to the video it bothers me that it is almost like forming a world wide community.
Having said that at least they are looking for a wide spectrum of people.

In some ways they are in a win win situation.

Is a terrible disaster does befall parts of America at least they have a credible force to rebuild and start over.
If nothing happens then they can still build self sufficient earth friendly communities.
Good luck to them

If there was a similar project in Scotland I would be tempted.

Chris

[Darla Ken Pearce]

This boils down to how you view our universe and creators. If they are malicious and hateful then it's possible all of our many Earth's experiences were futile and useless. If we believe in a benevolent creation than this scenario isn't possible. We are being guided by higher Celestials now who say this scenario will not happen. It's enough for me. It's also possible that if you believe only a bunker will save you ~ well, we are the real creators of our own reality, so whatever you dream of can come true in the full sense of that concept.
Incidentally ~ We are making these choices now.

[Thefrenzy1978]

i would not trust this terral fellow , if you do abit of digging hes a bit of a fruit cake and women hater . And this Elenin thing is nothing to worry about .

[Jayke]

lol nothing of signifigance is going to happen on the 7th of July.

If it does, it won't be due to elenin, it will be because of a false flag event, although I highly doubt anything is going to happen.
Elenin is not a dwarf star, it's only 1,500 feet long according to Richard Hoagland, it's influence on the gravitational forces of the planets would be miniscule.

The dates Hoagland says to watch out for are:
2/8/11 - Elenin passes the satelite stereo B, we'll get our first close up pictures.
11/9/11 - Elenin in closest position to the sun
17/10/11 - Elenin closest approach to earth
8/11/11 - asteroid y55 crosses earths bow
11/11/11 - venus, earth, mercury, elenin conjunction

Hoagland stresses that whatever the natural events elenin causes will be uplifting to humanity, however there are groups of humans who are hoping to hijack the positivity and inject fear into it by creating whatever mischief they've got planned to coincide with the elenin dates, they want to time there false flag events synchronistically with the passing comet so they can blame any destruction on the comet and keep people in a state of fear.

In conclusion, ignore the fear mongering, it'll probably amount to nothing anyway.

[<8>]

I dont whant to be a wise guy.
But i was thinking on a cartoon movie, i think the title was Monsters. Any way the news reporter in that movie say somthing like "And now the ufos are landing in America where they allways lands"
Im just saying that if a thing passing by or hit the earth i wote for it to hit Sweden! (i am ready to die and leav this rock of hate and suffering)

Nobody knows whats in the future. And if i understand the Illuminaty guys right, they are more happy if they can scare more people wid this stuff.

Love you all....

[muxfolder]

Nothing's gonna happen.:nono: I don't even know why i bothered to comment.:unsure:

[Mike Gorman]

"You will hear the increasing urgency in my voice"...this guy irritates me, he of course knows everything-he sounds like an aggressive
quasi-military type...I would not accept anything he is saying basically.

[Lost Soul]

Red Elk advised that whatever you do, do it with love in your heart and not fear. Fear is not the right motivator.

[blufire]

You know I can tic off and justify everything to a fair degree that is going on . . . . until I get to the extreme unexplainable weather.

Floods
Droughts
Volcanoes
Earthquakes
Sink holes and liquefying earth
Devastating wildfires
Tornadoes
Storms with hail the size of baseballs
Migrating North Pole

I don’t care how powerful the military or TPTB are they cannot orchestrate these phenomenal global weather events.

“Something” has to be perturbing our planets, sun and other planets in our solar system. PERIOD.

[greybeard]

You know I can tic off and justify everything to a fair degree that is going on . . . . until I get to the extreme unexplainable weather.

Floods
Droughts
Volcanoes
Earthquakes
Sink holes and liquefying earth
Devastating wildfires
Tornadoes
Storms with hail the size of baseballs
Migrating North Pole

I don’t care how powerful the military or TPTB are they cannot orchestrate these phenomenal global weather events.

“Something” has to be perturbing our planets, sun and other planets in our solar system. PERIOD.

I agree
Its midsummer here and we should be having temperature well over 20c
its struggling to get above 14.
I think the Gulf Stream has stopped and that is very bad news.

All the HARRP stories I take with a pinch of salt. I think it really suits the powers that be for everyone to think they are the cause of everything.
HARRP exists but not as effective as claimed.

I think we are in for something--- just too many things happening at the same time.

I have no fear as I know I am not the body but I have concern for those that fear death as they are easily manipulated..

Chris

[Tweakzz]

You know I can tic off and justify everything to a fair degree that is going on . . . . until I get to the extreme unexplainable weather.

Hi blufire, i agree with that approach - look around and see and sense that something is amiss. But like greybeard indicates it behoofs us to be discerning! So unfortunately its LOTS of fodder in, some info extracted - kept in mind so if things do happen some idea may be had.

I hesitate.. but have to add that one needs to look at things with objectivity too.
IF all the people were truly living good lives , in a managed and balanced relation to Nature and one another - would there be (a need) "bad things" happening?
Even a 'personalized' Creator would have to "somehow" get the balance back - and no matter how one looks at it - that aint gonna be 'nice' to all concerned.

So being the best we can amongst all the goings on around us should IMHO assist us in avoiding some of the balancing that seems due.
I subscribe to the idea of our attitudes & beliefs shaping our destiny (like Darla mentioned) - but overall morphic resonance makes us all a part - no escaping the outcome as it needs to be balanced.

The only surety (again IMHO) is to be informed - like here on Avalon, and then wade through and try and find answers, not disasters..creating solutions as we come across problems. Someone has to do it - may (must?) as well be ourselves!
Lots more to say but that is it for here - Elenin is simply a name tag for something we (should) know (or realize) is coming.

Thanks for the link and inputs

[syrwong]

Whenever I hear of a prophecy of a catastrophe happening on a certain day, it always fails to come true. The only possible exception is when it is man made, that is, a murder pretended to be of natural causes or terrorist attack. Since I believe the dwarf star is not man made, any information about seeing it or a calamity on a certain day must be bad judgement or disinformation.

[blufire]

Darla and “sorta” greybeard too,

I have wanted to ask this for a very long time, this is somewhat off topic but perhaps relevant discussion because of the disturbing factor of the topic.

Please Please Please know I mean no disrespect nor am I hurtfully attacking.

I read and try to understand all the different “philosophies” of the different souls here. But when I read posts such as this one (Darla’s) I keep coming back to the same foundational thought...

Frail human emotion and the either positive or negative traits we apply to them

Emotion is a Human characteristic . . . .attributed to (in part) the dimension and place in time we are living or inhabiting and the organic nature of our physical bodies.

When I think of the “Creator” whether as an entity that we cannot fathom such as “the Collective Energy of the cosmos” or a Higher Self that we achieve to attain or that some philosophies say is “within us”. Please . . . I know I am greatly generalizing here.

Would “this creator” have the same frail emotions as we do??

The same thought would also hold for these “Higher Celestials” that you talk about Darla.

I can’t work out no matter how I think about it or try to rationalize it that if the Creator or Celestials (as you speak of them) have what you view as positive or loving emotion . . . then would it not be logically sound to then determine they would have (what you view) as negative or hurtful emotion. You can’t have one end of the spectrum without the other because then there is no balance. You can’t just ignore the negative (you say) emotions because they disturb you or find them hurtful or bad or dark.
IF you choose or view the Creator or Celestials with emotion or same thought processes as we do as frail human mortals.

In this post Darla you are saying this 7/7 scenario won’t or “for you” can’t happen because the celestials are benevolent and all loving (emotions) I just can’t make this work in my mind . . . because if the celestials operate from an “emotional benevolence and love” for mankind or humans then why is ANY of this happening. Why would ANY human be harmed or die??? If believe this line of thinking (benevolent loving celestials) then why would have Japan been hit with such destruction and death. Where were these “benevolent loving celestials" for the Japanese?? Or have they just arrived and only reside in America?? . . . .

When I “ponder” on the creator or celestials I try to take my emotion or baggage or judgments out of that pondering . . . . the few times I mange to do it I “see” a very different view all together. AND it is very comforting.



This boils down to how you view our universe and creators. If they are malicious and hateful then it's possible all of our many Earth's experiences were futile and useless. If we believe in a benevolent creation than this scenario isn't possible. We are being guided by higher Celestials now who say this scenario will not happen. It's enough for me. It's also possible that if you believe only a bunker will save you ~ well, we are the real creators of our own reality, so whatever you dream of can come true in the full sense of that concept.
Incidentally ~ We are making these choices now.

[humanalien]

SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC IS BREWING IN U.S.A. !!!. (Mirror)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=remkp4gSfnw&feature=channel_video_title

Lots of people are saying that the military is in full swing and they
are moving missiles and all kinds of stuff to more secure locations.
Something must be up when the military starts moving things around.

[greybeard]

Hi Blufire
My view is that God is pure LOVE and cant be measured in human terms.

There were earth quakes volcanoes earth changes long before there were humans here.

Its as everything has its own potential and things are not in anyway caused by God but humans by the power of collective consciousness can influence potential.
Hope this helps.

Chris

[Etherios]

You know I can tic off and justify everything to a fair degree that is going on . . . . until I get to the extreme unexplainable weather.

Floods
Droughts
Volcanoes
Earthquakes
Sink holes and liquefying earth
Devastating wildfires
Tornadoes
Storms with hail the size of baseballs
Migrating North Pole

I don’t care how powerful the military or TPTB are they cannot orchestrate these phenomenal global weather events.

“Something” has to be perturbing our planets, sun and other planets in our solar system. PERIOD.

I agree
Its midsummer here and we should be having temperature well over 20c
its struggling to get above 14.
I think the Gulf Stream has stopped and that is very bad news.

All the HARRP stories I take with a pinch of salt. I think it really suits the powers that be for everyone to think they are the cause of everything.
HARRP exists but not as effective as claimed.

I think we are in for something--- just too many things happening at the same time.

I have no fear as I know I am not the body but I have concern for those that fear death as they are easily manipulated..

Chris

In a Greek site i read today that an agency made public that 2010 was the hottest year since 1880 that have number or something like that. 0.6 degrees more...

You must have broken thermometers there ... its cant be they never lie.

[Carolin]

Hoagland stresses that whatever the natural events elenin causes will be uplifting to humanity

Jayke please tell me what Mr Hoagland means by this? They aren't called "natural events" they are called natural DISASTERS!!! People do die and will continue to die in these so called events. Maybe when the dust settles earth will be a kinder gentler place but I think it's going to get really ugly first.


IF all the people were truly living good lives , in a managed and balanced relation to Nature and one another - would there be (a need) "bad things" happening?

Tweakzz it sounds like you think we are being punished?!

I'm not trying to pick fights here. I'm just trying to have these posts make sense to me.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All just been listening to Ion ....Several people asked about Ellinin .....He said it is a 'Blue Dwarf' But would not elaborate , he said look it up on wicki and he would 'Clean' it up....

unfortunately show just finished , have to try again next week....Bother !
What he did make reference to was the final scene in show the 'The Event' when the
alian planet was seen in the sky very clearly...All vague I know , but in the two years
he's been on with James Martinez he does not 'Lie' Just 'bloody' cryptic with the Truth..
Who knows ? he just fascinates me ,,,,Just passing on what was said...Cheers Steve



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[Maia Gabrial]

Well, whatever happens, I hope TPTB and dark cabal don't survive any of it. When the survivors rebuild, I hope it's a better world.

[bennycog]

hey ciders,
Is that the same James Martinez that does this radio show.. because i see nothing on the site regarding elenin..
i might have the wrong dude :) do you have the link?

http://www.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/

[loveandgratitude]

ELENIN - Latest Telescope Images 2011-06-26


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgbnlL6XLtc&feature=related

[Cidersomerset]

Yes Bennycog its his weds show cash flow.....Its a three hour show ......he was not on last nights show but the other regulars were ....Bob Nevritt/Dobbs(89 yrs young)....Dr Carolyn Dean & ION ...

Its a great mixture of facinating alternate Fun and information....Cheers Steve

(Scroll Down a little bit the shows divided into 3 x hourly sessions )

29/6/2011--------11.00am 1st part...12.00pm 2nd part....1.00pm 3rd part..




http://www.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/

I'm relistening to part 3.......45.00mins ..I get a question answered....its in responce to a earlier conversation...'I thought ion said Ellenin was a Blue Star a few weeks ago '?
Ion says not a Blue !!!!!!!!!!!!...Then Carolyn chips in 'DWARF'....
Ion says 'Yes very good....
51.40 I quickly emailed a follow up question....Can ion describe a Blue Dwarf please ?
Ion says Nope...Thats done in rewrite you can't do that here..(not sure what that means)
He says Look it up,look it up ,see what the wikipidea says and we'll clean it up.....

Barbara from California asks acouple of interesting questions 17min -22min about Ellinen &
radiation leeks...H197 will be good for our accension ,this then leads into the reference about the last scene in 'The Event' which I take to mean we will see something very big in the sky sooner than later.....Who knows ??
In the 'Event' the Alien planet was brought thru a portal from a parrallel universel close to the earth , that was the climax......As Ion has said for the last couple of years ,insiders ,writers,
Alpha bet agencies listen to Bob & Ion all the time...Bobs had a very colourfull long life involved
with a lot of 'insiders'

This is a link of Bob explaining how ION came into our meme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lhkcC-FG8I&feature=player_embedded#at=17

This is a link of bobs timeline he has mixed/met a lot of famous people......
I think he is genuine....If its a hoax at 89years old I don't see the point!!!!! & I've been Had!!!!!

http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audio/catalog/CompleteBobTimeline.html

[Ecnal61]

thanx D-Day a lot of stuff is taking place now,like greybeard said ,time will tell maybe i should get in extra water and baked beans!

[DeDukshyn]

A bit off topic .. but I've always believed that if the majority of humans on earth simultaneously believed or, more accurately, put a lot of attention into a comet was going to hit the earth, a comet would come from somewhere and hit the earth. The same thing as self creation on a n individual level - like I had skinny arms - I put attention into getting bigger arms. Then I started gaining fat - not what I wanted, but my arms got bigger - just because it doesn't happen the way we want doesn't mean we won't get what we put our attention to.

We all cal ourselves creators here, but don't really expand that concept to the collective level where each added human attention will make a differece ... something to consider ... and also explains why TPTB are so rampant with their carefully selected disinfo ... keep your vibrations high ;) and smile while discussing potential negative or stressful subjects ;)

[ghostrider]

hey guys, there is an object in our solar system pulling energy out of the sun, and disrupting our sister planets. I tracked it last summer and nobody said boo about it. no local media, no national, no radio nothing. When the object crosses the magnetic wave path between earth and the sun we will have HUGE PROBLEMS... quakes, rising water, volcanoes, you name it. TO ALL AWAKE MINDS HERE AT AVALON.. PLEASE P L E A S E . research this yourself, STAY WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI AND WEST OF THE MISSOURI RIVERS. RESEARCH THIS NOW NOT LATER N O W...put everything else on hold and enlighten yourself on this subject.. N O W. RIGHT NOW. this website is a good start JPL Small-body-Database browser it shows orbits and dates.

[Mark Aldebaran]

The blue dwarves have little blue hats and around here we call them smurfs.
There is much more chance of seeing a smurf than any of the scenarios in the fear-slathering drivel in the video.

I give the video an RIQ (Risibility Incontinence Quotient) of 87%.

[bennycog]

hey ciders,
i now understand what you meant when you said you were listening to ION. ion from what i can tell is a channelled entitie/s channels by that bob fella through that james fella..
they have their little protocol to get things started and walla they have communication with the unseen..
interesting stuff.. would like to see it in action..

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Bennycog .....Its a really cool ,funny & frustrating show , when you get into it , i've been listening from the archives for the last two years , just after Bill & Kerry interviewed James Martinez nov 2009. Its in the Camalot Library on mp3.....He doesn't mention Ion in the interview but it introduces you to James Martinez , thats how I found his site( I think he had only just been introduced to Ion)....I've been listening 'live' for the past 5 months weds 7.00pm GMT and asked lots of questions via a direct link with various degrees of success.

This is the link to the James Martinez audio interview with Bill & Kerry...Nov 2009
http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles/audio/James_Martinez_Walter_Bowart_30_November_2009.mp3

Ion is not a channel ,although he comes into our reality thru a chap called JW in Georgia and is a representative of our Non-Physical speaking from the 'Guf' (Hebrew for Heaven ) He/she is actually An 'ENVIROMNET' able to connect with us 'Human creators' due to the development of the digital meme ... According to IonWe are all 'Gods' wonderfull human creators we are eternal beings living in bliss...Eons ago to experiance contrast part of us became mortal and the greater part of us remained non-physical.

Our goal is to re-accend and we left ourselves clues how to do so via the bible and other sources..When we die we lay down our meat sack body and go to the 'Guf' as non=physical, and we have repeated this process for what we term thousands of years. Though Ion says there is no such thing as time, just one enormous now.....This is not re-encarnation because when we are in the 'Guf ' we are all & individual at the same time ??
so when we are in the 'Guf' its like single raindrop falling in the sea , once its in the water, is it still a individual raindrop ? or part of the ocean ? basically it is one and the same. When we return to physical/Earth we have elements of everyone in us..(This is where it gets complicated as there are many earths,& parrallel worlds/portals/Star Gates/wormholes & everything else ever spoken,by us (Gods) come into play as the essence of creation/reality is the 'Spoken word' so everything ever created in the past and future, Remember there is only 'Now' has and will become reality..Humans creators are not only on this planet but everywhere ,Aliens exist,but I think we created them...Not sure, can't remember LOL.)

Ion says when he speaks thru JW...you'll like this bit ..(it is like experiencing a perpectual orgasm for JW...LOL )

Anyway the reason he/she is here is that we are coming close to re-accending...The Guf is emtying thats why there is so many people on the planet at the momment, because as fast as we laydown our meatsack bodies new 'gods' are born....Our bodies will be experiencing a change in DNA , being replecated into perfect copys thru our RNA..so we will be able to regenerate prefect new cells in our body and become immortal in our meatsack bodies as we become one with our non-physical, as we are already Eternal beings.....Meatsack Body = immortal.......Non-physical = Eternal...Combined we are back in our 'Godship'...

The Guf will be no more and the 'Womb' will close as neither will be needed after accension , for this to happen several things have to change in our atmospere regarding H197 the releasing of lots of 'radiation' sound familier and the introduction/activation of chromosone 14 in our bodies ?...Some people already know this and are embracing the new paradym , the majority will accend by default...I think it is possible not to accend as we are Gods but I don't know how that works......This is only my interpretation of what Ion has been saying for the last two years , and thats why I have been mentioning it here to see if anyone has a view or been listening to him/her.
If its true its the most important bit of info I've heard....If its a hoax I'l be p----d off..LOL.....At worst its a fun show.....At best were on our way to 'WEMBLY' Make of it what you will Cheers steve.......

P.S. I would of laughed a few years ago, if I thought I'd be writing this down in a forum..LOL..

This is Ion explaining the Bible ,& that Love is a Force field....only 10 mins

http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/2010/08/ion-bible.html

[Curt]

Red Elk advised that whatever you do, do it with love in your heart and not fear. Fear is not the right motivator.

That sounds about right to me. Running for the hills may be the answer for some people. But a lot more of us will be wherever it is we're supposed to be and will weather this 'storm'--if it happens. Being afraid of it and putting intention toward it seems more dangerous to me than simply accepting that it might happen, and carrying on with our lives in the best, most positive way possible. But, if small groups of people are called to run for bugout caves and stock up on surplus equipment, then maybe that's what they need to do. Maybe that's their path.

[Humble Janitor]

Have people forgotten how to separate the wheat from the chaff?

How many times has this stuff been predicted and has it come true yet?

Look at the "author" of this link, Sorcha Faal.

You believe him? Then that makes you Sucha Fool too!

[D-Day]

More interesting tid-bits...

Source: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/772/040/Elenin_Begins_Very_Quick_Move_Towards_Earth_July_1.html


Elenin Begins "Very Quick Move" Towards Earth July 1

"It must be noted that from April to June, the comet did not come closer to the Earth, but moved “parallel” with it. Right at the beginning of July, the comet will begin to very quickly move toward our planet."

At the end of June 2011, Comet Elenin will cross the orbit of the fourth planet of the Solar System – Mars. It must be noted that from April to June, the comet did not come closer to the Earth, but moved “parallel” with it. Right at the beginning of July, the comet will begin to very quickly move toward our planet. I again want to emphasize, the comet will pass 35 million kilometers from the Earth. It is an absolutely safe distance, just a little closer to the Earth than the second planet, Venus, comes.
Below you can see an image of the comet taken June 21th at our observatory. In the earthly sky the comet is quite close to the Sun, and soon it will be impossible to observe – it will be hidden the rays of the setting Sun. C/2010 X1 (Elenin) will not emerge from solar conjunction until the beginning of October, when it will be visible in binoculars and maybe even with the unaided eye.

http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005416/images/C2010-X1-20110621-crop-2x-150x150.jpg http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005416/images/C2010X1-Earth-delta-300x156(1).jpg

L. Elenin / ISON-NM observatory

During the time the comet is unobservable by earthbound observers, we can observe it with solar space telescopes. I already have fresh information about these observation programs. I will publish it soon. Stay tuned!

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks D=Day if it turns out, just to be a comet , it will put a lot of other stuff for me into a clearer perspective . Whatever it is we should see it very clearly......cheers Steve.

[Cidersomerset]

This is a update from Terrel 30/june 2011,Still giving out same warnings aout 7/7/2011..

He is going offline for a while and is giving out a reminder to people interested to get ready..

The reason I put it up is that I never noticed on the 1st vid he is calling it a 'Dwarf Star, not a

comet , which he re-iterates here........This is what ION said it is A 'Blue Dwarf Star' All getting

very intriguing...Cheers Steve



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa9gyxuI7hk&feature=channel_video_title

I can'nt get the vid to come up but the link is above.....Cheers.

[loveandgratitude]

2012 "I Saw a Spiral 63011" C/2010 X1 Comet Elenin "contour" view.

30th June 2011 by ACT 2: Nibiru Tracker

Good afternoon. This is a 20 minute video where I went and examined the images taken last night from the GRAS-004 New Mexico telescope in Mayhill.

I took them last night and did some quick processing. When I posted the images in my Picasa folder I looked at them and instantly saw what appeared to me to be one arm of a spiral arcing above the Northwest edge of the nucleus of the comet as shown via the "contour" veiw.

I'm having a hard time seeing it the same way now, so.. visit where I uploaded the picture last night (last two images in the album). Click on the little magnifying glass above each picture and then there is a slide bar in the bottom right hand corner there to go even closer.

"I saw a spiral last night and I my blood ran a little faster and my heart pumped a little faster too."

I do not know what you see becasue I am not you. I would like for you to go and see what I'm talking about though so I can see if you saw a spiral too.

The comet is left of center in the images. Bring your eyes to the center of the picture and then move them left until you're halfway inbetween the center and the edge. That's Comet Elenin.

Move back and forth from the second to last picture and the last picture and you can get a feeling of the different "signal" the comet returns when compared to another star.

If you know something about me, then you should know I do not debunk or debate people on their views about what they are doing in these very stressful times. I respect anyone with a goal. It was said that a man without a goal has no chance for living a happy life.

You will find me sharing news on my facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/fuzzywashere

You'll find so much information about me there when you add it to what's here. So find me here or there but if you want to talk about this; just find me so I can help.

That's me. That's the way I would like things to be.

Now on with the show!

This is a comet 4-18km in diameter with a small, diffuse tail. The orbital path has been predetermined by NASA and JPL and The Minor Planet observatory.

On 9/11/2011 it crosses the ecliptic plane. On September 26th it is directly in between us and the Sun at about 22-44 million miles away.

This distance will limit the threat of bright meteorite type light shows at night during this time. The threat of magnetic anomalies is extremely low with this object. Remember; it's ice and dust, not an object with lots of mass or density or electricity or magnetism.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyKQReJAaXg&feature=channel_video_title

[Eric J (Viking)]

Anyone seen this!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxK1ZFQJrG0&feature=player_embedded#at=40

viking

[ghostrider]

here's some brain food, elenin is under intelligent control? higher beings WOULD NOT fly a massive craft close enough to cause destruction to life around it as it goes by. lets fly around and dump gamma radiation, and cause some quakes to the life forms we created. it's not a craft it's a brown dwarf. 50,000 miles across and growing.=, dragging space junk and debris as it goes by. too big to be a planet, too small to be a sun.

[ghostrider]

have a message from the great spirit, ask for forgiveness, forgive each other. this comet/brown dwarf could be to unite us all, to remind us how small in the universe we are and how fragile life is. we can't hide from the next three months.

[lightpotential]

Dear Group,

I have just produced a new video with extreme accuracy in detailing the orbit of Elenin over the coming months. Watch in HD mode full screen. The key conjunction points are highlighted:

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It is a lot more detailed that the JPL applet

Keith

[Operator]

Anyone seen this!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxK1ZFQJrG0&feature=player_embedded#at=40

viking

Hi Viking,

Thank you for the video ...
But actually what are we looking at ? I looked up the video on youtube and read the details about this video.


this is not a hoax, all the trolls who are pretending they are scientists and the others who are downplaying this event are denying people a chance to know the truth, God will Judge you on your lies, We must Pray for our families and ask God for Mercy, God Bless everyone.

With wormwood in the title I suspected it was religiously inclined. And they give a link to NASA:
link to site - http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/images
to gain credibility ...

But they fail to specify details about when or where to look to verify the footage ... so that's not very scientific indeed.

But besides that ... I keep on repeating myself:
"Why should we expect to see a celestial body in the direction of the sun and why is that suspicious ?"

There are literally thousands of stars in the sky 24/7, visible during the nighttime darkness and they're all suspicious as they could
all potentially be moving our direction ...

As most of the planets in our solar system are orbiting in the ecliptic it's normal that at some point in time they're at the other side
of the sun. So unless we can prove with date and time that there is an object that really shouldn't be there videos like the one presented
above does not add any value to a balanced investigation of the case.

Have a nice weekend all ...

[1159]

This boils down to how you view our universe and creators. If they are malicious and hateful then it's possible all of our many Earth's experiences were futile and useless. If we believe in a benevolent creation than this scenario isn't possible. We are being guided by higher Celestials now who say this scenario will not happen. It's enough for me. It's also possible that if you believe only a bunker will save you ~ well, we are the real creators of our own reality, so whatever you dream of can come true in the full sense of that concept.
Incidentally ~ We are making these choices now.


Darla makes a valuable point and I wander how many people 'get it' The point is this; there are so many people now getting hooked into this disaster scenario that they are coming close to creating a critical mass of fear believers. That means they are creating their own timeline of distruction, purely by what they expect and believe.

Even if there is NO solar system intruder, or it was not destined for causing destruction, they are on course to manifesting that energy because of the critical mass of doomsday believers.

I am personally taking reasonable precautions that will have a dual purpose.

1- Spiritual/ mental preparation for the transition into a higher consciousness
2- Practical prepartion that will also serve the planet by being a better custodian
3- Social preparation by integrating more closely with family and community
4- cosmic preparation, by opening a clear channel to accept guidance from the off world family.

I am also of the mind that Dolores Cannon may be right when she says that the Earth may well split into different energetic structures, or dimensional vibrations. Allowing those that create therir own negative fate to realise it right here in the physical state, while those that prepare and expect transition will evolve into that new dimension. And yes, that maybe through the portal of releasing this mortal life experience.

[1159]

A long and very detailed double documentary covering historical and present precursors to explain where we are right now in history. (5 hours)

In a very small nutshell, it says that the sun right now is showing lower than normal corona activity and that the pattern should be going into the solar flare stage, but it isn't. However the Earth is warming and so are the other planets. Seeing the sun is quiescent, where is this warming coming from?

The concept follows that the pertubations of an outside intruder, elenin AKA planet x, dark star etc are causing strong magnetic distortions in the earth's mantal and core. That there is evidense that the earth is actually heating up, not from the sun, but from it's own core due to the effects of elenin.

Anyway it goes on ... Just one point, it uses synthesised computer voices reading prepared text. Sound s abit odd at first and the scene editing is a bit abrupt. However, this is a powerful discourse that coveres a large swathe of myth, history, science and spirituality. Well worth a watch! Don't get into fear tho, Get prepared for evolution...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQVJVNEjG8

Ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQVJVNEjG8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHE-6ozQEsw&feature=related

Ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHE-6ozQEsw&feature=related

This second part goes right into the heart of the matter.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi 1159 ...Just watched first part , very compelling argument for pole shifts , the mass rapid exstinctions of animals illustrate the sudden catatrophe theory. It makes sence , but hard to comprehend the vast time scale........

Later documented myths of relatively recent years, last 12,000 yrs to biblical times. Though Catastrophic ,cannot have been as bad as the earlier exstinction events ,as ancient cultures all over the world have left documented and verbal accounts/legends of disasters wiping every one out...Obviously a bit of early 'Tabloid journalism' for there must have been a fair few viable communities surviving around the world, for us still to be here......

The switch to the Annunaki summarian creation legend obviously brings it back into our field of interest, bringing 'wormwood/Nibiru' into contention of a return in the near future , nice compilation......Cheers Steve..

[1159]

Hi Steve, The concept of taking refuge underground may account for the survival of early cultures. The ancient underground cities in Turkey are just one example, see this link http://factoidz.com/the-ancient-underground-cave-cities-of-turkey/ Maybe this is where the idea of DUMBS comes from

Why did these people with low tech excavate such large and deep cities, some as far as 85m and 11 levels! Complete with food stores and housing 1000s of people. Did they know something was coming they would have to take refuge from? It's a shivery kind of echo of what is happening nowdays with these deep undergrond bases. And yes, the mammoths that suddenly end up freeze dried, with even flowers and grass still in their mouth. Some strange history that is really never explained conclusively...

[D-Day]

Source: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/775/636/WOW_Terral03_Called_It:_FEMA:_STAGED_EVENT_-_Military_Stacking_Water_Explosives_Placed_On_Dams_-_Martial_Law_Alert.html


WOW Terral03 Called It: FEMA: STAGED EVENT - Military Stacking Water + Explosives Placed On Dams - Martial Law Alert

Sunday, 3 July 2011 6:06

Breaking News: Levee Intentionally Breached Along Missouri River July 1st 2011

Question: Who is Terral03? Is he being set up as a patsy? Where is he getting his information? Obviously he is getting his information from somewhere, but we just don't know where.

His name is reported to be Terral Croft. Very little is known about who he is, but he has turned into an internet sensation on youtube and popular forums. All that has been released is that he was once a columnist for a Christian newsletter, and he worked in construction. He has developed a strong following on internet forums, and the word is that he has set up some sort of survival movement that will be in the Ozarks, for the claimed "Elenin Brown Dwarf Star".

More research is required for a full expose on these breaking events... stay tuned.



http://www.newsbad.com/story/alert-ele-627-gavin-point-dam-explosion-warning

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all i can say is wow...

http://www.southwestiowanews.com/articles/2011/07/01/council_bluffs/doc4e0e1b105613d735662740.txt

LOVELAND – A Pottawattamie County levee was intentionally blown up this morning by an unidentified group of residents.

Pottawattamie County public information officer and County Attorney Matt Wilber said authorities were not notified before the explosion and are investigating.

The county was aware previously that a group of citizens wanted to breach the levee to drain pooling water back into the Missouri.

Wilber said the citizens who operate Vanmann #30 Levee built the levee higher after seeing inundation maps from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in May, in an attempt to keep water out. But when a natural breach occurred in Harrison County, water began to pool behind the new fortified levee.

Wilber said Pottawattamie County Emergency Management Coordinator Jeff Theulen received a telephone call at approximately 9:50 this morning from Harrison County Emergency Management Coordinator Larry Oliver. Oliver notified Theulan that the Vanmann #30 Levee may be in the process of being intentionally breached via explosives.

At approximately 10:10 a.m., the Pottawattamie County Emergency Operations Center received a complaint call from a private citizen who had apparently witnessed the explosion and wanted to know “why the county was blowing up levees.”

Wilber said Pottawattamie County did not participate in this intentional levee breach.

“It is our understanding that neither the State of Iowa, nor the Army Corps of Engineers, nor any other governmental entity, had anything to do with the detonation,” he said.

The impact of the blown levee is unclear.

“We just have to watch it,” Wilber said. “It will increase the river volume while it drains; our levees are already strained, we’re not looking to put any extra pressure on them.”

A full investigation of these activities will be accomplished as soon as possible.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi 1159 yes very interesting , I see it is speculated that they were built by the Phrygians in approx 800 BC , Thats 2,800 yrs ago from now.......If there dating is out by 700 years quite possible as the atifacts found maybe younger . You can't date rock escavations that precise , It could have be created for 3,600 year ago for the speculated 'shift' event..Maybe helped by Annunki warnings , and kept in use after explaining the later artifacts, speculatin I know, but not that wild..LOL ..Cheers Steve