Comet Elenin, C/2010 X1

[nearing]

That's the most interesting thing I've seen. Thanks for posting.

Update: I've now watched the entire video. Although it is interesting I wouldn't say i agree with it all and although I get his point about making money for the second part (the feel good portion) to feed his family if it's as dire as he states it will be in the next 2 months money will have no value soon anyhow so why not share it for free.

Perhaps he needs the $ to eat now and to stock up on food and water for the future?

[Mandala]

2012 The TRUTH You're NOT being TOLD The clock runs out Sep 25th 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scZAOQNopok&feature=player_embedded

Pretty gutsy predictions with the Aug. 17th date and Sept. 25th. Huge 12-15 R-Scale earthquakes ? Also says his " CIA contact" says Leo Elenin doesn't exist. What do we know about this guy?

[Hervé]

[...]
Huge 12-15 R-Scale earthquakes ?

Bollock! For reasons having to do with the maximum storage capacity of stress energy in rocks, and the sudden release of such, natural earthquakes can not go much higher in magnitude than 10-10.5. However, asteroid impacts could generate "EQs" with magnitudes off the charts.



Also says his " CIA contact" says Leo Elenin doesn't exist. What do we know about this guy?

Exactly!

And who would trust CIA agents nowadays except for disinfo certainty?

[Ultima Thule]

2012 The TRUTH You're NOT being TOLD The clock runs out Sep 25th 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scZAOQNopok&feature=player_embedded

Pretty gutsy predictions with the Aug. 17th date and Sept. 25th. Huge 12-15 R-Scale earthquakes ? Also says his " CIA contact" says Leo Elenin doesn't exist. What do we know about this guy?

17th August has almost come and gone without a significant seismic event, although at the time I posting, they are still in wednesday in Honolulu, so there still is about 2hrs of time left. From this guy I get "pawn" - used to the convenience of someone else. And what he himself seems to be doing is robbing the crowd of their energy - innocent question:"so has everybody heard about the FEMA-camps(with a grin)?", wanting to induce fear and have the energy flowing his way. Good intentions possibly though..

On an another note: what I gather from the guy that this thread is all about is a good feeling. But then again, I would not trust myself, I was hoping that Charles was okay... ;-) Interested to hear what more he has to say, anyone privy as to has he been chatting anymore?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Just bumped into this...thought I'd share!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO3U8XaxE54&feature=youtube_gdata_player

viking

[The One]

Never a straight answer idiots look what they have to say

You may have seen the scary headlines. You may have read those alarming emails. But do you believe it? Just in case, NASA has issued the facts about a comet called Elenin. And no, these aren't the "facts" doomsayers will tell you.

In short, the 3-5 kilometer-wide comet can't hurt us. Really, it can't. It's too small and its closest approach to Earth will bring it 90 times the Earth-moon distance. 90 times the Earth-moon distance. That's a whopping 35 million kilometers (22 million miles) away. Could there be any conceivable impact to our everyday lives by this dirty snowball?

ANALYSIS: Will Earthbound Comet Elenin Fulfill 2012 Prophecy?

I seriously doubt this will calm the overactive imaginations of some conspiracy theorists, but NASA has felt the need to respond to the crazy theories being flung around and to address some of the more rational questions. (NASA did a similar thing in 2009 when responding to the 2012 doomsday nonsense, issuing a statement that there was no known astronomical reason for the end of the world on Dec. 21, 2012.)

Helpfully, two NASA scientists have been hard at work over the past few months responding to questions from the public. Yesterday, NASA compiled some of the most popular questions, creating an "everything you ever needed to know about Comet Elenin" Q&A.

The Elenin answers were provided by Don Yeomans of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., and David Morrisonhttp://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/research/2007/morrison.html of the NASA Astrobiology Institute at the NASA Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. Morrison is no stranger to responding to these kinds of questions, having become NASA's in-house 2012 doomsday debunker.

David Morrison in my opinion is a muppet on a string debunks everthing and i mean everthing.What a pratt.


OPINION: Nibiru - Armageddon Planet or Astronomical Baloney? (by David Morrison)

It seems that doomsday theorists and astrologers alike believe that any celestial object, no matter how small or distant, can have some magical influence on Earth. Fortunately, this isn't true.

"So you've got a modest-sized icy dirtball that is getting no closer than 35 million kilometers," said Yeomans. "It will have an immeasurably minuscule influence on our planet. By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever will."

Interestingly, the "marauding brown dwarf doomsday theory" has cropped up again, and in one question it's been tied in with the appearance of comet Elenin. If Elenin is actually a brown dwarf, surely that will have a huge gravitational influence on the solar system, right




More here http://news.discovery.com/space/comet-elenin-wont-kill-us-says-nasa-110817.html

[steveofengland]

Optimistic about things this guy! LOL

[loveandgratitude]

What is going to happen to all these doom and gloomers when this comet sails by like all other comets?

[Mike Gorman]

Optimistic about things this guy! LOL
Yeah you can just sense his underlying positive vibe...Evil is as evil does I guess?

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

I was under the impression it was coming from the constellation Leo & not the constellation virgo?

[bennycog]

too much cloud cover here for me to check any of that out.. i have to get a new eyepiece for my telescope too.. and find some way to get it onto my laptop

[Watching from Cyprus]

Well i guess it came from Leo and is now in Virgo... remember it travels close to 60.000 miles per hour.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Just some further information for your enjoyment... ;-)

Come on guys the planet need a clean!

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viking

[Autumn]

I don't fear Elenin (aka Extincion Level Event Niberu Is Near *caugh*) - rather I fear what it is a diversion of attention/smokescreen for. Someone mentioned an astroid also inbound, but this one has oddly enough not gotten ANY attention - he wondered why. I don't even remember it's name or classification but I remember going WOW. Either that or something else to keep us eager seekers of truth occupied with shifting **** from cinnamon.

[Tane Mahuta]

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/562/cometp.jpg

Freeaak......

Need to get me a telescope.... Ah Gotta See This!!

TM

[JoshERTW]

I don't fear Elenin (aka Extincion Level Event Niberu Is Near *caugh*) - rather I fear what it is a diversion of attention/smokescreen for. Someone mentioned an astroid also inbound, but this one has oddly enough not gotten ANY attention - he wondered why. I don't even remember it's name or classification but I remember going WOW. Either that or something else to keep us eager seekers of truth occupied with shifting **** from cinnamon.

There is an asteroid called 2005 YU55 or something that comes within 0.8 LD of the earth (i.e. within 80% of the distance of the moon) on Nov 8th, its not a small rock either, about 175m in diameter. Its on Spaceweather.com's list of near earth objects even, though Elenin is not, which I have found strange for a while.

www.spaceweather.com

I don't think 175m would be a planet killer but if it hit a city there would be some significant damage I'd think. Note that Nov. 8th is also the day of the planned "emergency" broad cast takeover by NSA in the states (or was that the 9th?)

[Decibellistics]

If what they say is true, it is pretty god damn irresponsible of them to work up the hype with their disaster preparedness vid at the height of this theories plausibility. Especially considering that they had been getting questions galore from people about it since 2007. How very rude and arrogant. Time to wait and see.

[Autumn]

I don't fear Elenin (aka Extincion Level Event Niberu Is Near *caugh*) - rather I fear what it is a diversion of attention/smokescreen for. Someone mentioned an astroid also inbound, but this one has oddly enough not gotten ANY attention - he wondered why. I don't even remember it's name or classification but I remember going WOW. Either that or something else to keep us eager seekers of truth occupied with shifting **** from cinnamon.

There is an asteroid called 2005 YU55 or something that comes within 0.8 LD of the earth (i.e. within 80% of the distance of the moon) on Nov 8th, its not a small rock either, about 175m in diameter. Its on Spaceweather.com's list of near earth objects even, though Elenin is not, which I have found strange for a while.

www.spaceweather.com

I don't think 175m would be a planet killer but if it hit a city there would be some significant damage I'd think. Note that Nov. 8th is also the day of the planned "emergency" broad cast takeover by NSA in the states (or was that the 9th?)

That's not it, because I remember that it was bigger! A lot bigger than Elening ... miles across, not mere meters. I'll keep looking and post it, if I can find it again. (What a time to loose information in the big wast sea of info, huh?)

[ghostrider]

We all will see nibiru in the southeast on sept 14th as it rises above the ecliptic . early morning will have a new friend to greet us and send us on our way. 0.632 au away from earth and 0,489 au away from the sun on that day. 0.234 au is the closest it will be to earth unless jpl changes plots a different track. interesting to see what the pull between earth and the sun will do to nibiru/elenin. we talk of it's affect on earth, what of earth affect on it? can't be good for either of us. ehummm care to move your planet over your in my lane, you bloody rude ET wanker..... lol

[Sugarific]

I live in perth myself and am quite excited to see Elenin. We own a telescope but I wouldn't have a clue as to how to locate a comet in such a big sky... Even WITH coordinates. I guess I'll wait for a few more weeks x)

[Hervé]

I was under the impression it was coming from the constellation Leo & not the constellation virgo?

The chaos makers and confusion stirrers got a hit...

[Autumn]

I don't fear Elenin (aka Extincion Level Event Niberu Is Near *caugh*) - rather I fear what it is a diversion of attention/smokescreen for. Someone mentioned an astroid also inbound, but this one has oddly enough not gotten ANY attention - he wondered why. I don't even remember it's name or classification but I remember going WOW. Either that or something else to keep us eager seekers of truth occupied with shifting **** from cinnamon.

There is an asteroid called 2005 YU55 or something that comes within 0.8 LD of the earth (i.e. within 80% of the distance of the moon) on Nov 8th, its not a small rock either, about 175m in diameter. Its on Spaceweather.com's list of near earth objects even, though Elenin is not, which I have found strange for a while.

www.spaceweather.com

I don't think 175m would be a planet killer but if it hit a city there would be some significant damage I'd think. Note that Nov. 8th is also the day of the planned "emergency" broad cast takeover by NSA in the states (or was that the 9th?)

That's not it, because I remember that it was bigger! A lot bigger than Elening ... miles across, not mere meters. I'll keep looking and post it, if I can find it again. (What a time to loose information in the big wast sea of info, huh?)

Sorry JoshERTW, it was probably 2005 YU55 http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2005%20YU55;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

[Carmody]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_YU55

[13th Warrior]

We all will see nibiru in the southeast on sept 14th as it rises above the ecliptic . early morning will have a new friend to greet us and send us on our way. 0.632 au away from earth and 0,489 au away from the sun on that day. 0.234 au is the closest it will be to earth unless jpl changes plots a different track. interesting to see what the pull between earth and the sun will do to nibiru/elenin. we talk of it's affect on earth, what of earth affect on it? can't be good for either of us. ehummm care to move your planet over your in my lane, you bloody rude ET wanker..... lol

This confuses me; if it's to rise above the ecliptic on the 14th it should be well visible before then?

[nearing]

We all will see nibiru in the southeast on sept 14th as it rises above the ecliptic . early morning will have a new friend to greet us and send us on our way. 0.632 au away from earth and 0,489 au away from the sun on that day. 0.234 au is the closest it will be to earth unless jpl changes plots a different track. interesting to see what the pull between earth and the sun will do to nibiru/elenin. we talk of it's affect on earth, what of earth affect on it? can't be good for either of us. ehummm care to move your planet over your in my lane, you bloody rude ET wanker..... lol

This confuses me; if it's to rise above the ecliptic on the 14th it should be well visible before then?

Only to the very extreme Southern hemisphere, I'd think. Remember how the Earth is shaped, if it is coming up from below the globe, the people sitting on the top of the globe won't be able to see it.

[Maia Gabrial]

So far, many things have been predicted and none of it has come true. Pardon my skepticism, they've made it this way, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Hey, if the Moon revs up and flies off to a safe distance, then we'll know that Elenin is seriously an Extinction Level Event....

[KosmicKat]

Hey, if the Moon revs up and flies off to a safe distance, then we'll know that Elenin is seriously an Extinction Level Event....

13 September 1999 — Moonbase Alpha... Massive nuclear explosion... Moon torn out of Earth orbit... Hurled into outer space...;)

[Referee]

RT Today

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[nearing]

RT Today

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Brooks is a very smart cookie. The girl said 'help us to make light of them" I think she meant "shed some light on them" They are VERY different sayings.

[Johnny Wishbone]

Can you name the thing that's more important to some than money, gold, or diamonds?

Answer: Attention.

They just want some attention. Where better of get attention for this kind of material than the fine, active, Project Avalon Forum?
This is the Charles Material, Part II. Do you ever notice for all of this stuff, everything's always "getting really close" or "any day now". If the attention seeker who throws this material out there pushes it too far out into the future, the attention level would drop significantly. That wouldn't be good. Now - - perhaps I'm too old and cynical. I'm sure active, black-op millitary types are allowed to go and post this kind of material on public websites all the time so I could be wrong.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to take my interstellar spacecraft out for a little spin. It's a sweet ride. 0 - 60 in about a hundredth of a second.

[winston smith1971]

Anybody read the book "eon", by John Bear (I think that's his name...not 100 percent sure).... Very interesting, entertaining book...very much like rama series, but the object in question turns out to have been built and launched by ancient humans.......


Edit : The author of the books (eon is the first book in a trilogy) was actually Greg Bear. :)

That would be excellent if Elenin was an object built and launched by ancient humans

[winston smith1971]

listening on hamsphere on oynxknight frequency keep getting what sounds like morse code?

[Operator]

listening on hamsphere on oynxknight frequency keep getting what sounds like morse code?

Can you describe what you were actually doing ?

1. The software does not support the specified frequency
2. No extra hardware needed, just your PC, a microphone, speakers and you are ready to call CQ on the virtual Ham Radio bands.

I would expect that TPTB have planted a 'signal', most likely Morse Code to make it mysterious and 'historical', that should be received by mankind
just to set them off in a certain direction.

[Carmody]

Interesting read indeed ...


OP: To your knowledge, what year did mankind (our current society) successfully breach the Van Allen Belt? TIA.
i guess i should know this. the apollo missions?

My gut feeling tells me this is wrong ... I have no evidence but my 'inner' knowing tells me that Apollo technology did not solve
that problem (like there were more flaws). But they have been 'helped' and maybe this is meant.
I think however that today's earth civilization traveled beyond the van Allen belt before the Apollo program.

Main question is how trustworthy is all this info ? I mean, even if we pick up radio and/or television signals from Elenin how do we know
they are not 'planted' disinfo to mislead mankind ? After all he admitted that they got the technology to go out there ...

You know what is awesome about this theory? Is that either way it confirms the use of advanced technology. Has anyone been able to post or get a copy of those supposed Navy transfers that there are no ships in the water with those names? You know the info from Gary McKinnon?

The quote:
Ben Rich, stated during a 1993, Alumni Speech at UCLA,
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."
is not a well known quote and kind of at least gives him a little credit in my book

From a different thread on UFO propulsion systems. A thread stated yesterday. How technology can grow by leaps and bounds. how the idea and the expansion of ideas can exist, nay... to explode into/onto the scene..in all directions.. and all that remains is the 'complex-to-simple' (depends on the given device and what one is trying to do) engineering of the physical solution. Anything you can imagine, as Ben said. This is my post and this is why Ben said what he said, why thousands of free energy researchers, are under observation and why hundreds have been killed.

One or two were literally bulldozed out of existence, their houses, their properties, the businesses families and they themselves, whereabouts unknown, records of existence erased from all but friend and families memories....never heard from again.:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28517-Stan-Deyo-The-Technology-of-the-New-World-Order&p=289751&viewfull=1#post289751


What I'm saying and have said, in a round about way, is that the PTB dudes have a serious problem on their hands, regarding agenda and control. My point being that if I can come to a full working answer on my own,and then take it to the next level, which Stan indicated (in the video) but did not say or speak on, directly....then the problem is that this technology is mere inches from bursting out into the public purview. Big time. From every direction. Which I have noted for years. If one understands where it is going to... then they can see it coming.

Thus these end game scenarios that are speeding up tremendously.

And when agendas get sped up, mistakes occur, things don't work out as planned. Doorways of opportunity open. Opportunities to shift the balance.

There are now too many doors to close, too many technologies and branches of physics research are brick walled, they are hitting artificial and enforced glass ceilings...and all are passing into the previously secret.

And when that happens, secret agendas end. For they are no longer viable.

This is due to the fact that it is a Pandora's box of a Swiss army knife of applications and solutions, no matter how it bursts into and onto the scene.

For one answer begets them all, as they are all tied to one single point of knowledge and understanding about space-time and matter-dimensions.

[1159]

So he was categoricaly wrong about aug.17th. Suggesting once again that applying simple newtonian physics to this problem is not enough to hang a prediction on. This is very 3D thinking and playing right into the fear game. also to sayHuge 12-15 R-Scale earthquakes is outrageous. Does he understand how the Richter scale?

[Maia Gabrial]

So, has the Naval pilot brought anymore information to the chani forum? Or do you think he was busted for sharing? Imagine what a Court-Martial would be like for those space pilots. What could be worse than being sent back to Earth? Or getting mandatorily stranded on an uninhabited planet for the rest of his life. And his family never knowing where he is or what happened to him....
Anyway, it was better than interesting, if it were true. I'd love it to be true anyway....

[Allura]

So, has the Naval pilot brought anymore information to the chani forum? Or do you think he was busted for sharing? Imagine what a Court-Martial would be like for those space pilots. What could be worse than being sent back to Earth? Or getting mandatorily stranded on an uninhabited planet for the rest of his life. And his family never knowing where he is or what happened to him....
Anyway, it was better than interesting, if it were true. I'd love it to be true anyway....

Granted, I didn't read all 7 pages of this thread but I have a really hard time believing this guy. My husband is a Marine Corps pilot with the highest security clearance and there is no way in hell he would discuss anything like this, especially with some forum. My husband can barely discuss what his jet is capable of doing, even to me, his wife! They don't pick these guys just because they're awesome pilots but because they can keep their mouths shut. Even if this information is coming out, he would NOT be allowed to slip it to some forum (or even a family member)! I just don't believe it. It's sounds cool, but I don't believe it.

[Psychonautilus]

Interesting, though hardly reassuring, lacked conviction and of course the ubiquitous disinformation threat still hangs over us as the Sword of Damacles. So no reason yet to feel confident in this tale over any other that is being promoted as the truth, even in parts.

As a side note: the Zion Olympics will be taking place in London in 2012. Amongst the zionist community there are a lot of "coming out" or "end of times" parties and announcements being made. The whole timing of coincidences of events now seem to be rapidly converging, yet the puzzle is still unsolved.

Yes. This issue has been of great interest to me recently, especially after reviewing the work of the late Rik Clay and his 'Zion-2012/Endgame Messiah' theory.

What's fascinating about the 2012 Zion (New Jerusalem) Olympics, is that the spot that was picked for the construction of the stadium, was the only spot left in London that was big enough to build on - yet every street that connected to the location has a biblical name. Shows just how long ago all of this might have been planned. There is also the fact that the China 2008 Olympics logo can also be split into four compartments and read as 'Zion'. What are the odds of two in a row? There are many more extremely strange 'coincidences' including a very interesting tie in with the Royal Family, and Prince William especially.

It's too difficult to say what might be in store, but what we can see now is a full blown roll out to portray ET as a threat, in a highly coordinated and obviously authorized campaign. They don't do this kind of thing for fun, so it's not inconceivable that some kind of 'display' or other 'event' could be scheduled for the Olympics, especially when you consider that the closing ceremony of the 1984 LA Olympics featured a UFO landing in the stadium and two men in spacesuits getting out..

All the data is pointing towards some kind of 'event', and it looks a lot like the 2012 Olympics have been chosen as the vehicle or centerpiece for that event.

[Psychonautilus]

What was most interesting about this guys 'testimony' is not that he admitted to the Navy having superliminal craft (we know we have them, whoever operates them and however fast they can go) but was that he directly backed up Richard Hoagland's assertions that Elenin was some kind of ancient 'artifact' which was not dangerous, but had the potential to tell us about our true history. He suggested that this 'artifact' was transmitting radio signals and so encouraged people to get their HAM radios out for the passing of this body.

Now it is entirely possible that this guy has heard Hoagland's thesis, and has just decided to expand on it to make it more 'credible', but in some ways it stands to reason. If this asteroid really does hold something special and peaceful for the human race, then it would be conceivable that the establishment is trying to create a sense of fear around it, or otherwise divert people off down ridiculous cul-de-sacs. The JPL video that shows Elenin aligning with the earth for all of these recent earthquakes, (and the subsequent 'harmonic resonance' thesis) could easily be an attempt to nominate a false culprit, and legitimize the idea of a celestial body causing havoc on earth - as per the standard 2012 mythos.

Out of all the theories that have been put forward on this comet, and especially because of the JPL video going viral - I tend to think there could be something to this one; a deliberate campaign to confuse the 'conspiracy crowd' and create fear around an issue that is completely innocuous. This would serve as the perfect cover under which a series of engineered cataclysms could be executed, and would divert attention away from the real (positive) significance of this object. It fits in perfectly with the known agenda for 2012, which is to create an ambiguous sense of expectation and apprehension, leaving the public unable to identify or properly interpret the manufactured chaos happening around them.

The story this Naval guy told us about his job and all the toys he gets to play with, as well as the encouraging ''it's all coming out soon'' remarks, seemed a little too good to be true, but something really struck me about his comments about what Elenin really was. I intuitively felt that there might be something to this. I could be wrong, but who knows. This could constitute the entirety of the 2012 mythology, and all of the other stuff could be to divert attention away from it. Then again, it could be nothing more than an average comet, that will pass us by without incident.

Edit: The other very interesting point that Hoagland raised was the discrepancy between Leonid Elenin's orbital calculations, and the calculations that JPL published on the orbit of Comet Elenin. The former suggested a 13,000 year orbit (half an equatorial period) with the latter suggesting a parabolic orbit, meaning that it was the comet's first and last orbit around our sun. This has never been observed in the entire history of astronomy, and if this comet really is an ancient artifact, it could also be an attempt by the establishment to divert attention away from this fact, by stating it had never been here before.

When you look at this issue of the contradicting orbital calculations in this context, it really does lend credence to the theory.

2nd Edit: I have just re-listened to Hoagland's recent interview on Red Ice, and this 'insider' has done exactly what Hoagland suggested should be done. Hoagland said that people should have their HAM radios out, and also suggested that the people in the black projects should take one of their craft out and investigate it.

Either this guy is just copying Hoagland, or Hoagland is bang on..

[HORIZONS]

Well if everything this guy says is correct because "these guys" that tell him this stuff really know what's up then here is what I'm going to do. I'm not going to build a lead helmet and I'm not going to get in my bunker and of course I don't have an underground bunker. Whatever will be will be. I am an eternal indestructable spirit, so are you. Infinite incomprehesible love permeates and underlies all that is. Whatever may happen we will all still be here, maybe not in the same form and maybe not in the same place but we will be and it's all ok. This is a very great drama, a crazy dream that maybe is about to get more intense.

A good heart is all you need, it's your greatest protection. I can't imagine lead helmets are that attractive anyway. Not to mention a strain on your neck.;)

What about Magneto? He has a cool looking helmet. ;)

[HORIZONS]

Center yourself in your heart. It's the one part of you that CAN'T be manipulated....

Well, I have had my heart manipulated several times - and the older I get the more I feel like the heart is the main target for manipulation by tptb. The heart is under attack BIG TIME, and this is something I have been feeling for a while now - very deeply.

[winston smith1971]

Linda Moulton Howe talked to Alec Newald, a New Zealand abductee who described a 1989 10-day missing time episode, in which he claims he was taken to an alien planet. He encountered translucent entities who brought him to a spacehship where he stepped inside a kind of crystal tube. Later, he wore a "biosuit" that made his skin appear blue, and interacted with an "Elder" or "Guardian" being who had cat-like eyes. Through a beaming method of interdimensional travel, he was transported to a desert-like world, where he viewed crystallized pyramids that were made of a "living material" and had symbols superimposed on them. After his return, Newald said he was cross-examined about his alien experiences by two men who said they were "government scientists."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O97j5yubB34


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O97j5yubB34

[shadowstalker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovjch5WSNgg&feature=related

[cloud9]

Thank you for posting this and thank you Kerry

[SOHO]

With Comet Elenin in continuous view of STEREO’s (Behind) Heliospheric Imager 1, we can follow its progress across space as it moves from left to right...



More... (http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/pickoftheweek/old/26aug2011/)

[passiglight]

The star of david is always represented as a hexagram which is a double tetrahedron............


"The attached NASA images reveals what happened to Elenin as a sudden CME interacted with it, just a few days ago.

It shows that AROUND the actual "nucleus" of Elenin suddenly appeared a stunning GEOMETRIC shape ... created by some kind of "force field." This field, interacting with the stream of charged protons and electrons in the CME, made this Elenin "field" suddenly, strikingly visible--

As an unmistakable, 3-D TETRAHEDRON!"


the above taken from this link,,,,,,,, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates./page54



The star of david,,,,,,is also the star of RA,,,,,,,,



Therefore elenin is most directly linked to Ra and is part of the disclosure project,,,,,

cosmic love

[mountain_jim]

Just a head's up - it appears the originator of this info has posted more recently a couple of times as Bluecoat2 at CHANI forum (then disappeared again.)

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,356.100.html



I'm the original poster of this thread on GLP. My IP is banned and I'm unable to view my thread or even respond to it. A Quick search on Google led me hear. If the moderators on this is forum are willing I will continue my quest here. Please keep my email address confidential.

Awaiting your soonest response.




Okay - I'm first in the line I guess - why did you say you were in the US Navy Space Command?



I Said Navy because we fall under SPAWAR and not NAVSPACE
..................

C Asteroid Elenin was occupied from my calculation 540 days ago. (Solar Earth time)
Whoever did that mission completed and installed a 90 square mile diameter of a Hydrogen Plasma Proton Pulsar Antenna Array with an ingenious design. I Can only assume that the Blueprint for this design and technology was from Extra-terrestrial advisors. The result being a guided and controllable asteroid with reverse magnetic features .

[kathymarie]

I agree completely with you...for me the quote "it is quite the opposite. a beacon of hope and a glimpse into the past. a glimpse into who we really are perhaps, from all the clues that have been gathered. our guys are going wild like school children on xmas eve when it comes to this thing." Wish they'd share with us. Imagine what a load off our shoulders.

WOW, that is the most interesting thing I've read on this forum in months -- THANKS.

[Trail]

Okay who said that if Elenin is broadcasting a message, it would be prudent for TPTB to shoot it down?

Check this out:
http://www.universetoday.com/88494/comet-elenin-could-be-disintigrating/

It sais Elenin is breaking up and won't probably make it to the sun let alone us.

hmmm..

[Calz]

Not according to Hoagland:


Note: there is a disinfo campaign going on to spread the word that Elenin is disintegrating... this is not true!!!

From Richard C. Hoagland www.enterprisemission.com

[Dawn]

A check on www.spaceweather.com had this interesting post today on 8-29-11 at 11:17PM PDT. If you go there today you can see this article about the break up of comet Elenin, however since there is a new article daily, I have copied the pertinent portion and put the links below.


SO MUCH FOR DOOMSDAY: Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1), widely known for inaccurate reports of its threat to Earth, appears to be breaking apart. Observations by amateur astronomer Michael Mattiazzo of Castlemaine, Australia show a rapid dimming and elongation of the comet's nucleus akin to that of Comet LINEAR (C/1999 S4), which also disintegrated when it approached the sun in 2000. Comets are fragile objects, so this development while unexpected comes as no surprise. Readers with pertinent images of Elenin are invited to submit them here.

HTML codes are present in this quote, however this site changes their messages daily so I am putting them here.
Observations by MIchael Mattiazzo: http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm
Comet Linear which also disentegrated: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2000/ast31jul_1m/
Where to submit your images: http://www.spaceweather.com/submissions/

[The One]

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Note: there is a disinfo campaign going on to spread the word that Elenin is disintegrating... this is not true!!!

Stereo-B is one of two unmanned spacecraft NASA launched several years ago to study solar phenomenon; it is currently trailing about 90 degrees BEHIND the Earth ... just outside the Earth's solar orbit. Its companion spacecraft, Stereo-A, is about 90 degrees AHEAD of the Earth, slightly inside its orbit.

Elenin itself was at the orbit of Venus, and visually passing close to the Sun as seen from the vantage point of Stereo-B, when these images were taken.

This close (physically) to the Sun, Elenin is already strongly interacting with the "solar wind" -- the very low-density stream of highly-charged particles (mostly protons and electrons -- "solar plasma"), ejected at immense speed from the Sun's surface (and seen during total solar eclipses as "the solar corona"). The solar wind usually blows outward through the solar system at an average speed of ~500 miles per second!

Occassional CMEs (coronal mass ejections) can dramatically enhance the local density and speed of the solar wind, which can then interact with comets in very visible and spectacular ways ... usually greatly distorting their normally-straight "ion tails" (created by gases evaporating off the comet) into vivid "kinks" ... "corkscrews" ... and even "90-degree bends."

The attached NASA images reveals what happened to Elenin as a sudden CME interacted with it, just a few days ago.

It shows that AROUND the actual "nucleus" of Elenin suddenly appeared a stunning GEOMETRIC shape ... created by some kind of "force field." This field, interacting with the stream of charged protons and electrons in the CME, made this Elenin "field" suddenly, strikingly visible--

As an unmistakable, 3-D TETRAHEDRON!

This precise geometric shape is total confirmation of, and entirely consistent with, all the "19.5's" I've been analyzing over the past several months ... re Elenin's ~13,000-year orbital trajectory into the inner solar system!

The sudden visibility of this immense "geometric structure" (which is obviously NOT a "physical object," but only a "geometric field of force ... over 300,000 miles across (!) ... seen strongly interacting with the highly charged solar wind") is only possible because Elenin is VERY close to the Sun itself now, where the density of the solar wind is high enough to make this "structure" briefly visible, especially during the density enhancement of a CME ....

Needless to say, such a "tetrahedral force field," coupled with Elenin's "tetrahedrally-defined" orbital parameters, removes ALL remaining scientific doubt that Elenin is NOT "natural" -- but is, in fact, an Artificial Object (some kind of "ship")--

Sent into the inner solar system ~13,000 years ago (our model) ... on some kind of "directed interplanetary Mission."

It is, as Arthur C. Clarke wrote so many years ago, "something Wonderful ...." possibly (as I said on "Coast" the last time I was on ...) some kind of "ark" or "time capsule" ... sent to us at this crucially-important time to give us the means to (literally) "save the Earth."

Obviously, this latest discovery increases the urgency to get as many "hams and radio astronomers as possible" involved, to see if there are actual radio (or laser) TRANSMISSIONS currently coming from this object!

The future is about to get VERY, VERY interesting in the next few days and weeks .... :)

Here (below) is the direct link to the NASA Stereo-B Elenin video footage, posted on Leonid Elenin's official website

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/08/24/interaction-between-comet-elenin-and-coronal-mass-ejection-from-the-sun/

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http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[Meesh]

The Sydney Stargazers site has been suggesting the same thing for about 2 weeks.
http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/08/30/is-comet-elenin-breaking-up/

[phillipbbg]

This is actually potentially more of a problem in that if any fragments reach Earth during the fly past .....

The last time C/2010 X1 passed earth was around 10,000-11,000 BC when a lot species on earth became extinct, A virus came with it and will do again

The russian government discovered a new type of virus in Antarctica . After radiometric dating they concluded that it came to earth around 10,000 - 11,000 BC, this is roughly around the time C/2010 X1 last came near earth.

The virus is believed to originate from C/2010 X1 or a subsidiary, this is not entirely known but from extensive radiometric
dating they concluded that the artifact came to earth around 10-11,000BC, roughly the same time as C/2010 X1.

Maybe we should be thinking about this in a different way... just ramblings and rabbit holes as usual.

[greybeard]

I would be happy to breath a sigh of relief if the header is true, however--
We are in uncharted waters so to speak and something seems to causing unusual events, climate change to all the planets in the solar system.
I think we live in an electro magnetic universe.
What affects one affects all.

May be Comet E was getting the blame for some thing caused by the ribbon of energy coming from the galactic center.
That could actually be causing a positive evolution according to David Sereda.

Exciting times

Chris

[Hervé]

As I wrote in another thread: Bye-bye Elenin... RIP!


Bye-bye Elenin...






From: http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm
LATEST IMAGES
http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/2010x1_20110829_mm2.jpg http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/Elenin%20disrupition.gif
C/2010 X1 Elenin
2011 Aug 29.38UT
Left: 10x10second exposures. C11 SCT and Starlight Express MX7c CCD imager.
Right: Animation of 5 images taken Aug 19,22,23,27,29 displaying the nucleus in the process of disintegrating.

Doom & gloom GooTubers are gonna need to jump ship and get on Garradd... to maintain some credibility... or proferred like the Zetas in 2003 when Nibiru failed to show up (paraphrased): "Oh, well... we lied..."

[Hervé]

This is actually potentially more of a problem in that if any fragments reach Earth during the fly past .....

The last time C/2010 X1 passed earth was around 10,000-11,000 BC when a lot species on earth became extinct, A virus came with it and will do again

The russian government discovered a new type of virus in Antarctica . After radiometric dating they concluded that it came to earth around 10,000 - 11,000 BC, this is roughly around the time C/2010 X1 last came near earth.

The virus is believed to originate from C/2010 X1 or a subsidiary, this is not entirely known but from extensive radiometric
dating they concluded that the artifact came to earth around 10-11,000BC, roughly the same time as C/2010 X1.

Maybe we should be thinking about this in a different way... just ramblings and rabbit holes as usual.

Thanks for these data... brings water to the watermill:




I think our biggest obstacle is passing thru the tail of elenin, could rain meteors of fire across the globe. lightworkers time to push this comet away from planet earth together we can change the future....believe or don't just meditate or pray in your own way what works for you push this thing away from earth- time to show our power is now.....

You are onto someting ghost... very close to another False Flag being prepared... here's how it could go as it has been being prepared over the last few years, here's how it's been run:


*_Various experiment in crowd reactions over pandemics: SAAR, West Nile Virus, H5N1, H1N1

*_Pandemic declaration over H1N1

*_Vaccines scam

*_Food nutrients brought down to zero while getting rid of food supplements, vitamins, CS, MMS, etc...

*_"Poisonning of the wells" through fluoridation and fracking

*_ NASA and various organisations "discovering" that viruses, bacteria and other nasty organisms survive for millions of years in space inside asteroids, meteors, COMETs, etc... and even survive a firy crash on Earth!

*_Elenin hype and accompanying doom and gloom, i.e. lowering of imune system efficiency.

*_Elenin's tail blamed for bringing in new kinds of lethal super bugs while:

*_Biological WMDs released world wide courtesy of those accusing the vast majority of the planet's population of being "useles eaters!"

Neat, eh?

[crosby]

thanks for the update The One. i'm curious if any of our avalonians have their ham radios out, and have any of them heard anything as of yet? this is very interesting. i noticed that there are a couple of other threads that are talking about elenin breaking up, it's always hard to know with any certainty what is really going on. i guess time will tell. thanks again.
regards, corson

that tetrahedon is very visible.

[Ancient]

Thanks for the info The One.

I didn't find this information on Richard's website: www.enterprisemission.com. Where did you find this information?

Thanks

[The One]

Thanks for the info The One.

I didn't find this information on Richard's website: www.enterprisemission.com. Where did you find this information?

Thanks


Originally from source http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

But go to his facebook page here
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Richard-C-Hoagland/213984790088

[kathymarie]

Is anyone else getting error message 502 bad gateway when trying to access the spaceobs.org site? And speaking of disinformation...I'm having trouble knowing what to believe....there has been much speculation even on this site as to whether or not Leonid Elenin is who he says he is or if he even exists. And since when do we just blindly accept what NASA says?

[DeDukshyn]

Hmmm so Elenin has a 13,000 year orbit? that is interesting ... exactly half of the 26,000 year precession of the Earth, and just by coincidence it comes right at the exact changing of the end of an astrological age (Age of Pisces to be exact, one year off out of ~2100, but this may be explained that our timeline is off by a year - which I have been hearing lately - 2011 is 2012).

This is just a coincidence though .. ;)

[ghostrider]

If elenin is breaking up, what the hell is that ( winged looking Nibiru thing) that keeps showing up and what is that thing I've been watching for two years now that has four little ships in tow ??? seen it again last night at 2 am . big in the sky, big bigger than any star, yet just smaller than the moon. Those that live in the U.S. look to the east , directly east after 11pm, you'll see it . looks like a flaming bright star with a tail. I was asking on the forum over one year ago about this object and no media, no internet, no nothing was talking about it, yet I tracked it every freakin night one bright planet sized object with four little ships like the one's on the southpole station black n white photos.... they are real , the ptb want it to be a secret for some reason.

[DeDukshyn]

Is anyone else getting error message 502 bad gateway when trying to access the spaceobs.org site? And speaking of disinformation...I'm having trouble knowing what to believe....there has been much speculation even on this site as to whether or not Leonid Elenin is who he says he is or if he even exists. And since when do we just blindly accept what NASA says?

Unfortunately most of all of this (about Elenin) is speculation with some evidence of indication, but I have not seen anything that has convinced me of anything. The timings I mentioned above are intriguing to me, but even the 13,000 orbit is just what is being reported. Before last year (if we are even to believe this), the "comet" was not even known about. The whole thing is suspicious ... reeks of TPTB at least trying to leverage it ...

[norman]

I listened to Richard Hoagland on C2C last night (this morning) and he spent a lot of time 'calculating' the odds that certain Elenin statisitics would be as they are. Either I am a complete dunce or his reasoning was out of order.

NASA still say this comet is hyperbolic but Leonard Elenin says it's on a 13K orbit.

As for radio hams "pointing" their radio at it, that's a very difficult thing to do. I don't know of any radio hams who use a radio telescope dish as an antenna. That's what it would require to actually focus on an object in space unless the object was transmitting a very strong signal that forced it's way through all the radio obstacles and was several magnitudes stronger than normal radio signals.

[WhiteFeather]

Alex Collier Mentions This Object In His Latest Camelot video 2009. Listen at 6:00 minute mark he mentions a "mothership" out near Saturn that NASA is monitoring. He then says there is a very large planetary structure coming in, 18 degrees right assention of Neptune's orbit and that NASA isnt telling "us".



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR46QjXjLH0&feature=player_embedded

[pyrangello]

Well one thing is for sure, there is something out there isn't it. From an unscientific approach , don't you think it's strange that the space shuttle missions have stopped and now
there is a news headline that since the latest rocket that was being sent from russia up to the space station just crashed, that they are talking about abandoning the space station.
And perhaps maybe all of this is why?????????? For the coming space events possibly, just my observation as a welder by trade. Hmmmmm.

[the trojan]

i listened to the broadcast,here is the hopi prophecy part in an article i posted earlier this week,
http://calleman.com/content/articles/Comets_Honda_Elenin.htm

Many people have now heard about the upcoming entry to the inner solar system of the comet Elenin (http://elenin.org) and there is a whole range of ideas and speculations about what this might entail. Comets have always been seen as harbingers of auspicious or (more commonly) ominous tidings and this one certainly is no exception. Ideas have been suggested that it is in fact a brown dwarf star, a spaceship or causes earthquakes. Regardless, this upcoming fall two comets, Honda and Elenin, later to be followed by Levy, will arrive creating a sequence of celestial bodies in the skies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swhme7X7tWI). The comet Elenin, which has received the greatest attention of these, is estimated to be at its shortest distance from Earth around October 16-20, 2011 close to the midpoint of the seventh day of the Ninth wave (or Universal Underworld). Especially since this is right before the true 13 Ahau culmination date of the Mayan calendar (October 28, 2011), this comet is, regardless of the specific nature and role that it may have, an end time phenomenon. These comets will then arrive against the background of deepening global political and economic chaos produced because the institutions of the world are not consistent with the incoming unity consciousness of the Ninth wave. This mandates a study of how this comet is related to end time prophecies from various sources.

In The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness (2004) I wrote:

“At least some minor earth changes may thus result from the high frequency change in consciousness that we are now undergoing. But the reversal of cause and effect to generate a doomsday view where such earth changes are presented as the very purpose of creation is untenable. Any possible physical effects should be seen only as by-products of the consciousness field, and most climatic change will still probably be caused by carbon dioxide emissions rather than some purported insidious divine plan for the destruction of the earth through geophysical changes.”

This then referred to the Galactic Underworld and it is probably true to say that it is only with the Universal Underworld (see figure below) that the frequency has become so high that the Earth changes can no longer be classified as minor. What also comes forth from this quote is that I have sought to distinguish my view from many who merely focus on Earth changes as such without providing a meaningful context for them. I have emphasized that the Mayan calendar is fundamentally about the evolution of consciousness and Earth changes are either serving this evolution or are spin-off effects of it. I have thus made the point that the current Ninth wave of the Mayan calendar shows an irreversible direction towards the unity consciousness that will culminate later this year.


Figure 1. The Ninth wave of the Mayan calendar leading up to its end date of October 28, 2011 with indications of: A/ Closest distance to comet Honda, B/ Comet Elenin between the earth and the sun and C/ Closest distance to comet Elenin. (For details about the Ninth wave please see www.mayanninthwave.com ).

Some have however also questioned how, despite its high frequency the Ninth wave of the Mayan calendar would be able to bring about this new consciousness in such a short period of time. Yet, its days are now being expressed in the world oneness revolution with its epicenter in North Africa and Southern Europe (Most recently, Saudi women are starting to drive). We should also be aware that the second half of a wave always manifests its phenomena much more strongly than the first half and that so the world oneness revolution will intensify. The date July 4 as the beginning date of the second half, may imply that the demands for true democracy that are currently being raised in southern Europe will then also spread to the USA. In addition, a monetary collapse seems very likely to come some time in the month of August considering the high level of indebtedness and other factors in key nations. The Universal Underworld will then increasingly call us to become citizens of the cosmos and shed our currently limiting national confines.

Moreover, in this high frequency of change the Earth changes are likely to intensify and what is of interest here is that sometimes celestial bodies are synchronized with the evolution of the cosmic plan in such a way that they create leaps forward. This may also come to do so in the near future through the approaching comets. After all, the Cosmic Tree of Life, which the Mayan calendar is based on, is the synchronizing factor behind all events in the universe and we know that celestial bodies have played an evolutionary role in the past. Moreover, if such fine-tuned celestial events originate in the divine plan it should also mean that they could sometimes be foretold by prophecies.

Before going into prophecies I will give two examples of celestial bodies that have played a supporting role for the evolution of life on our planet. The first is the impact by a Mars sized celestial body that by current science is believed to have given rise to the moon 4.5 billon years ago. The other such miraculous event in the history of the Earth is the meteor that 65 million years ago hit it and gave rise to the Chicxulub crater in Mexico and darkened the sky for a long time. This led to the extinction of all dinosaurs and plesiosaurs on our planet. The reason that this seemingly destructive meteor may be called miraculous is that without it having exactly the size that it did we would not be here to talk about it today. The dinosaurs might still have been roaming around eating all mammals that showed promise of further evolution. If, on the other hand, this meteor would have been twice its actual size all life on earth – including the mammals – would have gone extinct and we would not be here now either. Moreover, this impact was very precisely timed so that it paved the way for the higher mammals that emerged at the beginning of the Seventh day of the Mammalian Underworld. These events, the formation of the moon and the extinction of the dinosaurs thus clearly served the further evolution of the cosmic plan and its purpose, but how these celestial bodies could have such precision in size and orbit to bring about the continued evolution of life on Earth still seems incomprehensible to a human mind. When it comes to the series of comets that are now approaching the Earth I thus feel we should be open to the possibility that also this is engineered by divine intelligence and plays a specific role that will prepare the world for the culmination of time on October 28, 2011. It should be pointed out then that there is nothing to indicate that it would be part of this plan for all life on earth to come to an end, either at previous events or in the future. On the other hand, this is not the same thing as saying that there will be no casualties.

To discuss the physical interactions that the two comets may come to have with the Earth – if any – is however difficult to do at the current time. The data that have been provided by official astronomical sites point to them as being too insignificant both in terms of their sizes and their orbits to have any direct influence on our planet. (http://www.astrosociety.org/elenin/ab2011-72.pdf). Yet, the estimates of these parameters have undergone change over time in a way that makes one wonder how certain they actually are and it may be that at this point no one can tell with certainty the exact values of these. Yet, unless some new data comes forth from credible astronomical sources I see no reason to doubt that they are but small chunks of ice. Regardless of this, these comets may still play significant roles in the “end time” scenario.

I thus feel that the synchronicity of Elenin with the end of the Mayan calendar is so compelling that it deserves to be explored how these comets may be related to certain ancient prophecies. Before we look into such prophecies we may note that some have read “Extinction Level Event Niburu Is Near” into the name ELENIN (from its Russian discoverer). A more appropriate reading given the dire outlook of the world’s monetary system in the second half of the Universal Underworld may however be El + Lenin (heralding God + anti-capitalist revolution). In the current discussions several suggestions have also been made that the comet Elenin is a manned spaceship and that the powers that be is involved in a conspiracy, building bunkers for themselves and keeping its upcoming approach secret to people at large. Be that as it may, because even if either one of them is true I do not think it changes much for us in the current situation.

The currently most popular idea regarding comet Elenin is that it is related to the proposed return of Nibiru, which is a hypothetical brown dwarf companion of our sun surrounded by a Planet X. The existence of Nibiru was initially proposed by Zecharia Sitchin based on his reading of Sumerian texts, but before he passed away last year he clearly stated that he did not believe it had anything to do with 2012 and it is indeed very hard to understand why it would. The idea that Nibiru would return in 2012 or more specifically on December 21, 2012 is not backed by any evidence whatsoever. Yet, Nibiru has appeared in video clips watched by millions on YouTube in a strange brew with Sitchin’s ideas and the wrong end date of the Mayan calendar. While the proponents of this idea talk widely about cover-ups and conspiracies keeping us in the dark about its existence there is in fact no evidence that Nibiru exists. Moreover, the Nibiru connection to 2012 is questionable already since no ancient Mayan prophecy implies its existence. The Nibiru connection to 2012 then becomes even more questionable when you realize that its proponents have replaced the Mayan calendar’s charting of evolution with proposed effects of this hypothetical planet to explain the course of human events. Personally, I see no reason to embrace an idea, which lacks foundation either in modern science or ancient prophecy. Yet, since it has gained such an enormous popularity, often in association with a proposed pole shift and reversal of the Earth’s spinning, it seems possible that it mimics a scenario that will indeed take place, but with another basis. Could it for instance be that this collectively shared vision is not true as such, but that it points to an approaching comet and that this coincides, not with an electromagnetic pole shift, but with a shift in the polarity of consciousness in a way that we know will happen from the Mayan calendar?

The Hopi prophecy provides another source to consider regarding Elenin (and possibly its predecessor Honda), since this comet may be the Blue Star Kachina – the Eye of God – which is one of its signs of the end of time.

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star… These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying. Many of my people, understanding the prophecies, shall be safe. Those who stay and live in the places of my people also shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon -- very soon afterward -- Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in their hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World.”

My intuition tells me that Elenin indeed is the Blue Star, which according to the above seems to imply some kind of near impact. To be certain of this we will have to wait and see what color it has. It is however already noteworthy that the Ninth and last sign of the Hopi Prophecy corresponds to what is produced by the Ninth and highest wave of the Mayan calendar. Maybe this comet is in fact also a sign of the returning Quetzalcoatl, the Plumed Serpent, of Aztec/Toltec prophecy.

Thirdly, there are messages from Christian prophets from the past century (http://olrl.org/proph
ecy/daysdark.shtml), who say that at the end of time there will be Three Days of Darkness. This provides an interesting parallel to those of Mayan elders and for this you may consult a video clip of Mayan elder Don Alejandro Oxlaj (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcaez8jn2Zg). as part of the Shift of the Ages movie (http://www.shiftoftheages.com/), where he talks about these coming Three Days of Darkness. I have previously been very skeptical of this idea, since it has seemed outside of what is physically possible, but since the same vision has come from other, quite independent, sources it becomes easier to accept. There may now also be a mechanism that could explain it. Thus, a few YouTube clips have suggested that as comet Elenin passes between the Earth and the sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afhmhfzjiho), which is expected to happen around September 25, 2011, there will be three days of darkness. I do not think that this prediction enjoys the support of professional astronomers, and yet, things may come to happen in a way that is currently difficult to understand. After all, as we come to October 28, 2011 Nine Underworlds, covering a total of 16 billion years of evolution, will be manifesting “in their full regalia” in accordance with the Tortuguero monument. Thus, I feel we have reason to expect that the Creator may have some surprises in store for us ultimately in order to turn this world into one of harmony.

The dramatic nature of this upcoming end scenario of the Mayan calendar is highlighted by the fact that there are two comets becoming visible in the second half of the Ninth wave. Before Elenin, the comet Honda will be at its closest distance (0.077 AU) from the Earth at the beginning of the fifth night on August 17, 2011. What makes this interesting is that there are several prophecies that talk about two comets that signal, and play unique roles at, the end of time. Helen Tzima Otto has written an important trilogy of books (the last one of which is called A Five Year Plan in the Divine Economy: The Timing of the Divinely-Ordained Events, The Verenikia Press, 2011) that may be indispensable for our understanding of the upcoming scenario. These are serious books that also add critical arguments against the pop culture end date of the Mayan calendar: December 21, 2012 (She points out that the strongest argument of its advocates seems to be that most people think that this is the end date). The trilogy discusses the relatively widespread end time prophecies from more recent Christian prophets describing the advent of a pair of comets. (Note; these prophets are not American televangelists, but people, often of humble origins, belonging to the Catholic or Greek Orthodox traditions. It then also deserves to be pointed out that these prophecies refer to comets and not to planets or brown dwarfs.)

To appreciate the importance of these prophecies we should note that Otto’s books were written without a knowledge or mention of the fact that the comet Elenin had even been discovered on December 10, 2010 or that the comet Honda would precede it. Thus, her extensive accounting of prophecies of two different comets was not written to explain the rather unusual situation we happen to be in right now just as the Mayan calendar is coming to an end. For two comets to appear in such close proximity to this end is of course a considerably more improbable phenomenon than for only one to do so. The message of these prophecies is that a pair of two comets will signal an urgency to surrender to and convert to the will of God before it is too late. Since I have previously argued that the purpose of the Ninth wave is to bring an altered relationship to God, unity consciousness, this comes as no surprise. According to these prophecies the first comet will be associated with the Illumination of Conscience as signs of a supernatural nature will begin to appear. At the flyby of the second comet, called the Comet of Chastisement, the Three Days of Darkness will occur. Given what we know about the Mayan calendar culminating on October 28, 2011 it seems obvious that the two comets Honda and Elenin are serious candidates to fulfill these prophecies.

In the abovementioned end time prophecies people are recommended to stay inside their homes with blessed candles and not look out the windows as these comets fly by. They insist on constant prayer for three days after contemplating how we may have offended God. This makes sense since if we are to become fully transparent and attain unity consciousness we will need to lit though all the dark compartments of our beings and all the actions of our past. It is then interesting to note that Mayan elder Don Alejandro Oxlaj in an interview I made with him five years ago recommended that the Three Days of Darkness should be devoted to contemplation and meditation. How much of these prophecies is metaphor is hard to tell, as well as what is meant by “days”, but mostly it comes through as a very literal physical scenario. We need to prepare ourselves spiritually for this by doing what we can to set things right, but according to various prophecies we also need to prepare ourselves in more practical ways.

If Elenin is this second comet it would imply that at the time of its closest distance from the earth many people will be afraid. In the same way as the Hopi talk about the Great Purification it is then said in these Christian prophecies that only those that are pure will survive this event by not succumbing to the fear. Several prophesies talk about some form of disturbance of the earth’s position and large earthquakes so that a large part of humanity will not live to inherit the Earth. Yet, we are also told that we are not supposed to fear these events and have faith that the world will continue. There are ample descriptions on the Internet that the reader may consult regarding such prophecies of three days of darkness and it will be up to each individual to decide how to look upon them. While this may sound dire enough, it can also be looked upon as an opportunity to clear out darkness from ourselves, something which is a necessity if a new world with people in harmony is going to be born out of the chaos that will now deepen further.

I see three different possibilities as to how three days of darkness could be generated in association with Elenin. The first is that the comet has such a large tail that it covers the sun (less likely). The second is that it comes so close that it destabilizes the Earth (also less likely). The third, which I consider the most likely, requires some additional background as to why there are geological earth changes to begin with: Earthquakes appear because of the continental drift on the surface of the earth, which originates in convection streams in its magma. A significant purpose of the continental drift is to create a global brain that the human beings need to be in resonance with in order to manifest the cosmic plan. In my books Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time (2001) and The Purposeful Universe (2009) I describe how the separation of the world into two continental blocks is correlated with shifts in the Mayan calendar (in the 2nd wave). We also know that certain waves, such as the Seventh and Ninth, were initiated by huge earthquakes (9.2) in Lisbon and Japan in 1755 and 2011, respectively. I believe that the latter earthquakes happened because at the activation of new waves with higher frequencies adjustments were effected in the core of the Earth to adapt to a new polarity of consciousness. It is thus clear that the continental drift and earthquakes in a very general sense follow the Mayan calendar. It is only that this does not help us to predict many small earthquakes or their precise locations.

Because of the need for such an adjustment for the transmission of unity consciousness I suspect that seismic activity will continue at an intense rate throughout the Ninth Wave. However, and this is the point, if several waves have seen major geological upheavals at their initiation should we then not expect major cataclysms also around the time when all the nine waves simultaneously come to fruition on October 28, 2011? This very culmination of the Mayan calendar could mean a need for quite a dramatic adjustment of the inner core of the earth and as a consequence massive seismic activity on the surface of the earth. The arrival of Elenin, possibly the Blue Star, would then simply “happen” to occur in synchrony with earthquakes, which in reality result from a fine-tuning of the global brain to create resonance with the new field of unity consciousness. The geological activity expected as the calendar comes to an end would then generate so many eruptions and gases that the sky would become dark for three days. The adjusted core of the Earth will then automatically favor those that have a highly developed resonance with the field of unity consciousness and are guided by it. In this scenario the appearance of the Blue Star is merely synchronized with the earthquake and serves as a messenger, but plays no causative role for it.

This model may be difficult to grasp for those that want more mechanical explanations to earth changes such as for instance Elenin, Nibiru, HAARP or just random events. Yet, evidence for the creation waves of the Mayan calendar is there for everyone to study in my books and there is a reason that the Maya call their calendar Sacred. This reason is that it describes a divine plan, which is developed through nine processes of Seven days and six nights. What we are witnessing now is the culmination of this divine plan, a culmination, which may be expected to be quite spectacular and it is for this reason that we may find important information relating to the Mayan calendar also in the Bible and the Quran. Ultimately the orchestrator is God, who very likely would not like to see this world end in disaster after 16 billion years of evolution. It is because the Mayan calendar describes a divinely orchestrated plan that I suspect that this end time scenario accomplishes exactly what it is meant to and this is not the end of life on earth. Without such an understanding that life on earth is the result of a divine plan the basis for faith in the future of humanity could however easily disappear.

It may be argued that it is not so important exactly what mechanism – comet, space ship, Nibiru or cosmic plan – that will trigger this end time scenario. What may be most important is how we relate to it and the transformation of the human mind that it implies. There is however a curious practical consequence of whether you believe in an impact from space or processes inherent in creation when it comes to how you may need to prepare yourself. If there will be a risk of an impact by a celestial body then the logical consequence is to seek shelter underground. If on the other hand there will be earthquakes because the evolutionary processes come to an end, which I have suggested, it is logical to seek refuge in the hills or out on sea. Those in resonance with the unity consciousness transmitted by the core of the Earth will know what to do.

As we come to October 28, 2011 the field of duality will on a cosmic level have been transcended and a transition to unity consciousness may well be a condition for the survival to the new world. The prophecies associated with the two comets seem to be in alignment with some of the conclusions that I have previously drawn regarding the Ninth wave; for instance that what we are to do now is to shift from serving our egos to serving the divine plan and that indeed we need to commit to do so for a harmonization of the world to take place. This is also the reason that over the years I have consistently emphasized the consciousness aspect of the Mayan calendar saying that it has an irreversible direction towards unity and light because if this, the most important aspect of the calendar, is ignored there would indeed be very little hope for the human race.

The prophetic meanings that I have here assigned to these comets are possibilities and not scientific certainties. Yet, I intuit that something important is going to happen related to these comets that no one may at the present moment be able to understand fully or have the factual basis to analyze. If we combine our knowledge of the evolutionary model of the Mayan calendar with various end time prophecies it however makes total sense that the two comets are the messengers of the transformation of the old and the birth of a new world. In this way we can see a perfect consistency between prophecies of a varied origin and the model of the Mayan calendar of Nine Underworlds and Thirteen Heavens culminating on the date October 28, 2011 (13 Ahau). Having this knowledge the question is essentially how we are to use it and this may need to be thoroughly discussed in the time ahead.

According to the Hopi Prophecy the Kachina shall stop its dance and take off its mask as the Blue star appears for the Great Purification. This I believe alludes to what for many years I consistently have been saying in all of my lectures namely that as the filters (the masks) disappear we will no longer be puppets (Kachinas) of the divine plan and free to be and create without being subordinated to the divine evolutionary processes described by the Mayan calendar. As a new world is born people will after October 28, 2011 live life moment by moment by moment being free to create reality in accordance with their newly gained unity consciousness. This is the birth of the new world of peace that is as much a part of these prophecies as the difficulties that will precede it.
Carl Johan Calleman
Seattle, June 23, 2011 (3 Ben)

Carl Johan Calleman is the author of Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time: The Mayan Calendar (Garev 2001), The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness (Bear and Co, 2004) and The Purposeful Universe (Bear and Co, 2009). His web site is www.calleman.com. See also www.mayanninthwave.com and www.treeoflifecelebration.com.

[Lettherebelight]

Epic post, trojan. Thanks for the full story from the perspective of prophecy re Elenin.

We get so caught up in the perceivable data, it's easy to forget about the pineal sourced info.

[The Truth Is In There]

i agree with most of what calleman says and imo he deserves a nobel price for the work he has done. there are just two points where i don't agree with him.

"as the Blue star appears for the Great Purification"
- it is the red kachina, the destroyer, who will be responsible for the great purification, not the blue kachina.

"How much of these prophecies is metaphor is hard to tell, as well as what is meant by “days”, but mostly it comes through as a very literal physical scenario."
- the three days of darkness will NOT be caused by physical means. it will be a transition phase which everyone will experience differently (in terms of its duration) and it will be complete darkness, meaning absence of everything, and during that time we, or rather our higher selves, will determine the next step in our development - basically ascension or "descension" (i believe i just made that word up)

[greybeard]

i agree with most of what calleman says and imo he deserves a nobel price for the work he has done. there are just two points where i don't agree with him.

"as the Blue star appears for the Great Purification"
- it is the red kachina, the destroyer, who will be responsible for the great purification, not the blue kachina.

"How much of these prophecies is metaphor is hard to tell, as well as what is meant by “days”, but mostly it comes through as a very literal physical scenario."
- the three days of darkness will NOT be caused by physical means. it will be a transition phase which everyone will experience differently (in terms of its duration) and it will be complete darkness, meaning absence of everything, and during that time we, or rather our higher selves, will determine the next step in our development - basically ascension or "descension" (i believe i just made that word up)

One enlightened teacher said.
"There will be a change of perception- we will see the world totally differently."
He sees the world that way now.

Anything is possible, everything is just atoms in movement, only less than 5% solid mainly space in the atom.
Indulging in a flight of fantasy --- our bodies could become light bodies.
Of course nothing much may happen evolution tends to be slow but the prophesies say in the twinkling of an eye etc.
We can but wait and see.

The bottom line on my signature speaks for me.

Chris

[the trojan]

After checking out his latest release/revelations,it seems to me that he has just reviewed the past month in the new age communities and added his own piece to the puzzle which is the geometrical shape that now surrounds elenin......hhhmmmmm.. that is a bit ..out there, especially as he provides a really slim piece of evidence for this.

As i have stated before it reads like the book 'rendezvous with rama',add in the ,'I have been to comet elenin', material with the suggestion to ham radio enthusiasts to monitor the airwaves throw in the hopi prophecies and voila...richard hoaglands latest.

All we need now is for the guy who is rehashing all the stanley kubrick stuff to boost his sales with much the same material as above,the links are there...just wait and see.

state control and rock n roll are run by clever men
its all good for business,youre in the charts again!

exciting times!
maybe.

there is also something else just posted here on the forum
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29305-Say-what--The-earth-and-the-moon-have-been-moved&p=296892#post296892

this reminded me of another part of the coast to coast with richard hoagland and that is the crashing to earth of the space station which is to be abandoned by the crew and controlled remotely,the above post has mentioned reading an article on this in the past few days,which also makes it this months news,I have requested some links from the poster.

[waftbycarol]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5m53rXCo7Q&feature=player_detailpage

Has anyone else viewed this , and what do you think ?
That was a huge blast that indeed looks as though it originated from Jupiter...

[aviators]

If elenin is breaking up, what the hell is that ( winged looking Nibiru thing) that keeps showing up and what is that thing I've been watching for two years now that has four little ships in tow ??? seen it again last night at 2 am . big in the sky, big bigger than any star, yet just smaller than the moon. Those that live in the U.S. look to the east , directly east after 11pm, you'll see it . looks like a flaming bright star with a tail. I was asking on the forum over one year ago about this object and no media, no internet, no nothing was talking about it, yet I tracked it every freakin night one bright planet sized object with four little ships like the one's on the southpole station black n white photos.... they are real , the ptb want it to be a secret for some reason.

Not sure ,but you may be referring to Jupiter. For the last year or so I have noticed all the visible planets seem to be shining brighter than normal. At least it seems that way to me? Jupiter showing up in the eastern sky is spectacular and with binoculars you can usually make out 4 or more of its moons. Someone correct me if I am wrong here.

Another comment was made here on avalone by another poster that the stars seem brighter and show different colors. I totally agree.

[Calz]

More from Hoagland via Kerry's blog:


August 30, 2011

IS ELENIN BREAKING UP?? COMMENT FROM RICHARD C. HOAGLAND - EXCLUSIVE

...."No time ... and actually, a bit of an oxymoron:

How can an artificial object -- demonstrably NOT an "ordinary comet" now -- physically "disintegrate?"

We have NO actual images of this "disintegration," only Internet claims -- endlessly repeated (of course) ....

Those claims, in fact, are based on ONE "iffy" observation the last couple days, by a SINGLE ground-based, Australian amateur astronomer -- trying to view Elenin "one last time" before it gets too close to sun ... as seen from the Southern Hemisphere.

The statement is based on his perception that "Elenin seems to have dimmed."

Basing his claims re "disintegration" on the fact that ORDINARY comets dim when they disintegrate, he (logically) ASSUMES that this is what is going on with THIS "comet!"

Of course, in the artificial scenario, such dimming (if it is real ... a BIG unknown) could have MANY other causes -- not the least of which, Elenin's ARTIFICIAL release of internal atmosphere, designed to initially capture astronomers' attention beyond the orbit of Jupiter, has now served its purpose--

And, the "next Phase" of its Mission (in our model) is about to begin ... as it approaches its September 11th Closest Approach to the Sun.

And, the key September 26th CONJUNCTION, just a couple weeks later ....

Based on the NUMBERS I cited last night, I expect "surprises" in the days ahead ....

Stay tuned. :)"


RCH

Note: I am currently checking with other sources on this as well. More soon...--Kerry


http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[dark skies]

After reading other websites and now all of the posts, on this thread and still not being,able to make up my mind about Elenin/Nibiru or whatever its called this week as lots of the recent stuff does sound like its been lifted straight from the pages of,Arthur C Clarke' books

I'm not actually sure wether Elenin is actually a comet and is a threat to us or as some think a craft of some sort that is a bringer of hope , either way i feel the next month or so is going to be rather interesting

[loveandgratitude]

It seemed to me that Jupiter was leaving the view then the explosion occurred.I think this was a deliberate act.
Probably WMD. Oh my. What Next.?

[mountain_jim]

the supposed originator, logged in as bluecoat2, issued this announcment on 30th at chani :

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,356.120.html



Reply #129 on: August 30, 2011, 02:56:57 AM » Quote

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I Shall make an announcement in five days at 13H00 CET, a few hours before a major planned event.


and later:



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We've lost a team on Jupiter today. Two of them were close friends.


It all seems rather Tavistockian, like some on GLP was reputed to be in earlier days. Maybe gearing up for Blue Beam based around Elenin rumours soon?

[Operator]

We've lost a team on Jupiter today. Two of them were close friends.



This would definitely reveal his identity to his commanding authorities ... So instead of reinforcing his credibility he got the opposite.

[Maia Gabrial]

Has anyone heard anymore from this guy? I'd like to hear more, even if it's unbelievable...

[mountain_jim]

Based on 'his' next to last post at chani forum, he will make an 'announcement' on Sunday, ' a few hours before a major planned event'

[Forevernyt]

I can't see Youtube from work, but there is this:
http://www.jungleapocalypse.com/featured/explosion-from-jupiter-causes-comet-elenin-to-change-course/

When did this guy post about the explosion? Before or after the fact?

[truth4me]

Well one thing is for sure, there is something out there isn't it. From an unscientific approach , don't you think it's strange that the space shuttle missions have stopped and now
there is a news headline that since the latest rocket that was being sent from russia up to the space station just crashed, that they are talking about abandoning the space station.
And perhaps maybe all of this is why?????????? For the coming space events possibly, just my observation as a welder by trade. Hmmmmm.talk about hitting the nail squarely on the head by the hammer.......

[the trojan]

Today 17:14 #129
mountain_jim
Avalon Member

Re: "In The US Navy Space Command And I Have Been To Elenin"
the supposed originator, logged in as bluecoat2, issued this announcment on 30th at chani :

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/ind...c,356.120.html

Reply #129 on: August 30, 2011, 02:56:57 AM » Quote

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I Shall make an announcement in five days at 13H00 CET, a few hours before a major planned event.
and later:

Reply #136 on: August 30, 2011, 11:33:24 AM » Quote

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We've lost a team on Jupiter today. Two of them were close friends.
It all seems rather Tavistockian, like some on GLP was reputed to be in earlier days. Maybe gearing up for Blue Beam based around Elenin rumours soon?

its in the bold , Its all part of the narrative.

[gooty64]

Elenin is a mothership?

[Alan]

Today 17:14 #129
mountain_jim
Avalon Member

Re: "In The US Navy Space Command And I Have Been To Elenin"
the supposed originator, logged in as bluecoat2, issued this announcment on 30th at chani :

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/ind...c,356.120.html

Reply #129 on: August 30, 2011, 02:56:57 AM » Quote

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I Shall make an announcement in five days at 13H00 CET, a few hours before a major planned event.
and later:

Reply #136 on: August 30, 2011, 11:33:24 AM » Quote

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We've lost a team on Jupiter today. Two of them were close friends.
It all seems rather Tavistockian, like some on GLP was reputed to be in earlier days. Maybe gearing up for Blue Beam based around Elenin rumours soon?

its in the bold , Its all part of the narrative.

I checked out the Chani project site yesterday but today it won't let me. It is asking me to register, and when I try to it just gives me an error message.

[kathymarie]

I would say probably not from Jupiter but certainly possible from one of it's moons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5m53rXCo7Q&feature=player_detailpage

Has anyone else viewed this , and what do you think ?
That was a huge blast that indeed looks as though it originated from Jupiter...

[kathymarie]

Didn't Richard Hoagland also say Hale-Bopp was under intelligent control several years ago....just as he has said Elenin is?

[aranuk]

What do you mean? He posted it on 31 Aug 2011 and he said it was on 30th the day before.

Stan

[Hughe]

FTL (Faster Than Light) is real.

Electromagnetic force is 10^38 to 10^41 times stronger than gravity, which means building a propulsion system that manipulate electromagnetic field will do FTL. Changing gravitational filed means affecting time too.

Nicola Telsa devised such propulsion system.
Thomas Townsend Brown spent entire his life under secrecy since he demonstrated an electrogravitic device to U.S government in 1940s.
Otis T. Carr built antigravitic vehicle and suddenly disappeared in 1950s. Check out Ralph Ring's interview.
These three examples were developed by humans.
There was Nazi secret antigravitic craft program.
When you look into the secret programs between humans and some aliens, it's mind boggling what types of propulsion systems they have under secrecy.

Alas! There has been primitive NASA space programs by the way. :faint2:

[Forevernyt]

Since I couldn't see the vid, I wasn't aware if it showed a date for the information. Just wanted to see if it correlated with what he was saying.

[Ian Gordon]

Comming into this having not fully read everything, but is it a posibility that the "explosion" type event involving Elenin,
is actually caused by Elenin pulling something out of the moon or jupiter which is associated to the event. The how been answered by the sugested electro magnetic properties of Elenin or gravitational effects of the said comet inconjunction with things unknown.
Just an initial thought !!

[Anno]

If there was a transmission coming from 'it', what frequency range and mode would it be using? I don't have a Ham Radio but I have a scanner.

Normally I'd suspect it to be microwave which I wouldn't be able to pick up but if it's some sort of time capsule type object then maybe it would be in a more easy to detect band? Possibly Short Wave or something? Could be an interesting project.

[mountain_jim]

The latests posts and images related to the 'jupiter explosion' vid at ATS argue that it is lens flare.

[TargeT]

Based on 'his' next to last post at chani forum, he will make an 'announcement' on Sunday, ' a few hours before a major planned event'

FYI, sunday (4th) is the day before the last day of the "5th night".. which is a significant sequence baised on the Mayan long count callendar; that alone prompts a closer look (IMO) lots of allignments in my personal life with the timelines set out by the Mayans....


the 5th day and 5th night are the "microcausm" of the 9th step (which we are in right now, the final step in conciousness growth) the 9th step is split up into 7 days and 6 nights etc etc etc... anyway, on the 5th day we are supose to learn things that will help us get through the 5th night (which is supose to be a troubled / trying time) the 5th night started the 18th of august... see if this lines up with your life.. it definately has with mine ( http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/5thNight_9thWave.htm )

[Operator]

Based on 'his' next to last post at chani forum, he will make an 'announcement' on Sunday, ' a few hours before a major planned event'


Great Quake #1: Sunday, Sept. 4, magnitude 8.1. Epicenter around Harmony, North Carolina 28634, GPS coordinates: 36 degrees, 57′, 32.07″ North Latitude; 80 degrees, 46′, 14.45″ West Longitude.
This is 22 miles west-southwest of Winston-Salem, NC. The epicenter is also 300 miles west of Naval Station Norfolk, VA; and 350 miles southwest of Washington, DC.

There are more listed and I don't know what the original source is but you will find it here: http://thewatermanfiles.com/

[seko]

Based on 'his' next to last post at chani forum, he will make an 'announcement' on Sunday, ' a few hours before a major planned event'


Great Quake #1: Sunday, Sept. 4, magnitude 8.1. Epicenter around Harmony, North Carolina 28634, GPS coordinates: 36 degrees, 57′, 32.07″ North Latitude; 80 degrees, 46′, 14.45″ West Longitude.
This is 22 miles west-southwest of Winston-Salem, NC. The epicenter is also 300 miles west of Naval Station Norfolk, VA; and 350 miles southwest of Washington, DC.

There are more listed and I don't know what the original source is but you will find it here: http://thewatermanfiles.com/

Hi Operator,

I read that info this morning from another source. but when people give dates about EQ and natural disasters it goes into the rubbish bin.

Anybody heard of this dates anywhere else or that this might be true???

[TargeT]

[QUOTE=Operator;297269]
Hi Operator,

I read that info this morning from another source. but when people give dates about EQ and natural disasters it goes into the rubbish bin.

Anybody heard of this dates anywhere else or that this might be true???

Ever consider that your definition of "natural disasters" might be slightly skewed? or is there no possibility in your mind that we have this type of tech now (I'm not convinced we do, however I'm definately not convinced that we "do not")...


I would never throw out information based on what you "know"; a full cup cannot accept anymore water.. HOWEVER prioritising informatin based on past experience, well to not do that is just silly.


the 4th is not just some random date (see my above post) and as such I think this may pan out to be something realistic (earthquake or not)

[seko]

[QUOTE=Operator;297269]
Hi Operator,

I read that info this morning from another source. but when people give dates about EQ and natural disasters it goes into the rubbish bin.

Anybody heard of this dates anywhere else or that this might be true???

Ever consider that your definition of "natural disasters" might be slightly skewed? or is there no possibility in your mind that we have this type of tech now (I'm not convinced we do, however I'm definately not convinced that we "do not")...


I would never throw out information based on what you "know"; a full cup cannot accept anymore water.. HOWEVER prioritising informatin based on past experience, well to not do that is just silly.


the 4th is not just some random date (see my above post) and as such I think this may pan out to be something realistic (earthquake or not)

I understand what you mean Target, although I rather eat my words, than to believe in this. You can remind afterwards if this happens like it's written on that website.

If that happens, I will start to believe in them. I do have an open mind and by experience I learned not to fall into this games anymore.

Sorry if my comments bothered you in anyway Target.

[MorningSong]

Wow! I truely wonder where this info on EQs has come from.

And if it is in any way connected to the info the insider will reveal on Sunday, I won't be able to take action sounding some alarms for folks I love dearly in those areas since I will be away from any means of communication until Tuesday... D*mn!!! I do hope that this will not come about!

[Firinn]

Wow! I truely wonder where this info on EQs has come from.

... I won't be able to take action sounding some alarms for folks I love dearly in those areas since I will be away from any means of communication until Tuesday...

MorningSong, can I suggest you empower those you love dearly by providing them with a link to the source of information and allow them to take action, should they wish to, based on whatever the insider reveals on Sunday?

With love,
Firinn

[TargeT]

I understand what you mean Target, although I rather eat my words, than to believe in this. You can remind afterwards if this happens like it's written on that website.

If that happens, I will start to believe in them. I do have an open mind and by experience I learned not to fall into this games anymore.

Sorry if my comments bothered you in anyway Target.

oh not at all!

as long as your willing to consider other options, YOUR intuition is what should guide you; not other people's postings etc.. I honestly don't feel this is an absolute truth, rather something (as you indicated) to "watch for".. though I've been leaning more to belieiving in the mayan long count than not of late (lots of personal sync.s).



Wow! I truely wonder where this info on EQs has come from.

... I won't be able to take action sounding some alarms for folks I love dearly in those areas since I will be away from any means of communication until Tuesday...

MorningSong, can I suggest you empower those you love dearly by providing them with a link to the source of information and allow them to take action, should they wish to, based on whatever the insider reveals on Sunday?

With love,
Firinn

Unfortunately you can "try" to help these people, but if they themselfs are not ready, it will not happen :(

I posted this in another thread, but it's really globaly applicaple when it comes to strongly held beliefs, you LITTERALY CANNOT get someone even to CONSIDER your point of view unless they are open to it.

Athene's theory of everything:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbh5l0b2-0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbh5l0b2-0o

I'd post the summary of hte video, but youtube is blocked at work (& you should be able to infer it from what I've posted above the link :D ) :(

[MorningSong]

Yes, thank-you, Firinn, for your kind advice. Of course, I will put out the tam-tam, yet I'd like more info so I can beef up my credentials on the matter.

I'm sure my mom will lend a listening ear and might even resolve to staying at home those days....just in case. But I am sure, until something happens, she'll just wag her head side to side and roll her eyes as I tell her my latest "news". As the Italian proverb goes, "man pre-advised(forewarned), man half saved"!

[Firinn]

Indeed MorningSong, all we can do is provide the information to those we care for but, at he end of the day, it's up to them what they do with it.

TargeT has made this point most eloquently


Unfortunately you can "try" to help these people, but if they themselfs are not ready, it will not happen

I posted this in another thread, but it's really globaly applicaple when it comes to strongly held beliefs, you LITTERALY CANNOT get someone even to CONSIDER your point of view unless they are open to it.

Athene's theory of everything:

Thanks for the video link TargeT I'm downloading it now for future viewing.

With love,
Firinn

[MorningSong]

OK, Good People...I have found the source of the EQ info:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=214357

And more precisely:

http://www.drboylan.com/appalachianquakes.html

Now, before I dive down this rabbit hole, does anyone know anything about this person, Dr. Boylan? The OP at RMN has voiced his/her opinion as to the lack of accuracy of his past predictions.

EDIT: Note that the info is different now.....hmmmm.

[MiguelQ]

So what is the discovery channel aircraft thing? I want to see more.
Searched but nothing

[The Truth Is In There]

there was no explosion and nothing is disintegrating either.

[Floor]

Hello Edward Alexander,

Is it possible that Elenin is an event which is very positive, maybe a window of opportunity, something which brings a good chance (of change?), something good for us? But (because of that..) not good for the “Elite”? And that they in their occult ways, set up such an amount of negativity in action for the event Elenin, that so to speak, the negative wave will block the positive – so they hope?
If this is true? Can we block the set up wave/ the creation the “Elite” set up?

Cheers!

[BMJ]

Hi Guys,
Firstly I am not trying to fear monger. It struck me that there was some similiarities with the situation surrounding Elenin and the 1998 movie "Deep Impact", makes me wonder if it is not hollywood trying to tell us something again.
The correlations to the current situation include:
A black american president
Deep undergound bases to protect people for a prolonged time
The comet being called ELE
A guy named Leo discovering it
And now with the NASA 11133.kml file showing X marks the spot for Elenin an impact point as in the movie. Althought the movie says its Bermuda and the NASA files says the Aleutian island chain (unless NASA is taking the piss out of the alternative community).

Anyway her is the trailer link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9iEJ1Z1BsI

[jcocks]

Based on 'his' next to last post at chani forum, he will make an 'announcement' on Sunday, ' a few hours before a major planned event'

FYI, sunday (4th) is the day before the last day of the "5th night".. which is a significant sequence baised on the Mayan long count callendar; that alone prompts a closer look (IMO) lots of allignments in my personal life with the timelines set out by the Mayans....


the 5th day and 5th night are the "microcausm" of the 9th step (which we are in right now, the final step in conciousness growth) the 9th step is split up into 7 days and 6 nights etc etc etc... anyway, on the 5th day we are supose to learn things that will help us get through the 5th night (which is supose to be a troubled / trying time) the 5th night started the 18th of august... see if this lines up with your life.. it definately has with mine ( http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/5thNight_9thWave.htm )

Wow. My thumb infection (One of the worst infections I have had in my life) flared up on the 18th or thereabouts... by the following Thursday, I was in hospital having it operated on..... Luckily it's on the mend now...

Very interesting.

[Tenzin]

Maybe Project Blue Beam has a leg in this. In the recent interview with Dutchsinse with Kerry, it was noted that the Fukushima radiation that has spread across the Pacific Ocean will decay into specific isotopes required for a large scale holographic projection.

As you can see from the spread, they can project something of a massive scale: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWPvVmtZTQk

I think they have tested this technology in China and has been caught on tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsEdOSYf9x8

And I just feel there could just be a link for its use when they screened the trailer for Battleship: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDMXkPfxjOc

I am sure everyone is aware of the suspected false flag alien invasion agenda.

No concrete facts of course.... Just throwing it out, maybe it could provide some connections somehow.

[Edward Alexander]

Hello Edward Alexander,

Is it possible that Elenin is an event which is very positive, maybe a window of opportunity, something which brings a good chance (of change?), something good for us? But (because of that..) not good for the “Elite”? And that they in their occult ways, set up such an amount of negativity in action for the event Elenin, that so to speak, the negative wave will block the positive – so they hope?
If this is true? Can we block the set up wave/ the creation the “Elite” set up?

Cheers!

Since I don't know the intention they have with Elenin and the Ritual they performed aimed at it, anything will just be speculation. The two things that seems most likely for me though is that they either knew it was getting too close to earth and would be a disaster and thus altered its orbit some to not cause much problems or damage, the second theory is that they charged it with some form of negative energy that will be released upon the world and the population when its close enough to Earth.

I dont think the comet itself brings anything particularly positive, I can't see what that would be, but I cant rule out that being a possibility as well which you are theorizing about.

Now all we need to do though, to get the Elite to fall and lose their power and control, is to work more with ourselves, gain experience and understanding, and protect ourselves against their influences.

[Calz]

Yes, you both are very correct, they are doing things exactly this way and have done so for thousands of years, just the fact that several of these groups and institutions that are main parts of carrying out a lot of this work are 1000 years and older such as the Vatican and several orders like the Knight Templars speaks on its own in regards of the immense time they have been practicing this and their deep involvement. Obviously , through such amounts of time, one can only conclude that great discoveries and experience have been obtained making them of the most advanced and best of anyone in the world on such subjects and practices. And the fact that these people are deeply involved with such is something everyone can see and verify as the evidence is so clear, and found everywhere, and part of common historical records, that it is impossible to deny with any logic - only those who have not looked properly into this and thus lack the needed understanding are the ones whom keep denying this over and over without any actual logic or evidence behind it except their own lack of historical knowledge.

These are not some conspiracy theories, they are real conspiracies that are actual and in process and having been so for thousands of years as said. It is also very clear that they have kept this knowledge and practices away from the general public and deranged the people with other false non-practical belief systems and other ways of making people not believe in or practice such themselves.

Edward,

Care to speculate on what Kerry posted on her blog?

If we are talking about plans based on groups of 1000s of years then that might suggest non human involvement.

We have a long thread looking into the possibility that Enki faction of the Annunaki are returning and there could be a repeat of hostilities with that of Enlil. In that thread it has been suggested humans sided with Enki.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20586-Has-white-man-colonised-planet-Earth&highlight=white+man

Kerry's post suggest communication from Elenin and Anarctica. Hmmmmmmmmmm. For those that accept the Nazis (Aryans) actually survived WW2 and have continued on in South America and Anarctica with their technology that was advanced beyond anything the rest of the world had, the implications are compelling.

I cannot verify any of what Kerry posted (of course) but in lieu of what you have suggested in this thread and the Elenin ties to the 9/11 ritual it would be interesting to hear your thoughts (even if only speculation).

Thanks.



September 2, 2011

ELENIN : UPDATE

According to a source in fact, Elenin has been split in two... the videos showing the hit are correct but the hit came from a ship. Why they split it is unclear although the dangerous out-gassing was mentioned.

click here for the video of the hit


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fDjO9Nhslo&feature=related

The video containing the warning sound from Antarctica... and the one that appeared to come from Elenin...They were saying 'stay clear' in another frequency.

This source also says the brown dwarf is about 38 days behind Elenin... And there are planets circulating around the brown dwarf... a mini solar system if you will.

They also suggested that there may be an effort to affect the dwarf or it's accompanying planets so they don't rock our planet so much...

This info is in contradiction to all of Hoagland's info and other info I have received. However this may actually be correct.


http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html


*** adding new data debunking above posted (again) from Kerry's blog ***



September 3, 2011

MORE on Elenin and telescope refraction etc

click on this link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0cqBwXNqn0&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_491182

note: Richard Hoagland would agree with this assessment that what is being called the hit or explosion or breaking up of the Elenin comet is actually an illusion created by the telescope, however this does not align with what my contact below is saying... The question is whether or not both phenomena may have taken place and what we are dealing with.

[elainebab5]

I also got an error message after clicking on the link to Chani - which is weird coz I've been there plenty of times - tried logging in, no good. So I shortened the url to end with "...forum" hit refresh and viola! Taken directly to the Forum subjects page, then click on the thread link to get connected.

[loveandgratitude]

Leonid Elenin Confirms Comet Disintegration If he is Leonid Elenin? Oh the speculation.

On his site, Leonid Elenin has left some comments where he confirms that comet elenin has indeed broken up and that the debris of the comet will not be a danger to the Earth as it will be too far out.

Leonid tells us that the breakup of Elenin is similar to the breakup of comet C/1999 S4.

C/1999 S4 is a comet which broke up in July 2000.

Leonid Elenin will make an announcment on what is happening with Comet Elenin on his site soon.

http://spaceobs.org/en/

CME 0036: three days before collision with comet Elenin. By SpaceObs.org



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQg16Vqx828&feature=player_embedded

Yeah, right. So when do we get confirmation from NASA? Does this mean that their ‘family’ can pack away their survival kits until next year?

NASA sites are still publishing data on Elenin.

You would have thought that with all the astronomers watching Elenin that there would be a few more confirmations at least from somewhere, and NASA would be very eager to officially confirm it after all the speculation.

I am not saying this is not true, but it is certainly mysterious.

[Operator]

If there was a transmission coming from 'it', what frequency range and mode would it be using? I don't have a Ham Radio but I have a scanner.

Normally I'd suspect it to be microwave which I wouldn't be able to pick up but if it's some sort of time capsule type object then maybe it would be in a more easy to detect band? Possibly Short Wave or something? Could be an interesting project.

No you're right it would be microwave probably because you could make smaller but still very directional antennas.
However a time capsule that is supposed to survive several thousand years in deep space with this lot of radiation ?
Our current known electronics wouldn't make it I think ... In all I expect that IF there would be a signal then it would
be a planted signal for psyop purposes.

[loveandgratitude]

Leonid Elenin Confirms Comet Disintegration If he is Leonid Elenin? Oh the speculation.

On his site, Leonid Elenin has left some comments where he confirms that comet elenin has indeed broken up and that the debris of the comet will not be a danger to the Earth as it will be too far out.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26986-Comet-Elenin-Connections-with-911-strange-coincidences-and-the-mayan-calendar&p=299312#post299312

[ClandestineDisclosure]

V0cqBwXNqn0

[mojo]

Thanks for the posting as I was very intrigued by Richard Hoagland's statement,


"The sudden visibility of this immense "geometric structure" (which is obviously NOT a "physical object," but only a "geometric field of force ... over 300,000 miles across (!) ... seen strongly interacting with the highly charged solar wind") "

A geometric field of force? If Richard has it right then maybe Pane Andov is correct in his hypothesis about the use of Sacred Geometry?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Bumped into this....

NEGATIVE MODE FROM MY PHONE AT 2PM AUG 30TH...!!!!FOR SOME REASON MY CAMER ROTATED THE PICTURE WHEN IT SENT IT TO EMAIL. IT SHOULD BE FLIPPED BUT U CAN STILL SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!
INFA RED FROM MY FRIENDS PHONE AT 8AM!!!! THATS NOT A PLANET. . .AND THE SUN DOES NOT HAVE A MOON..

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2011/0830011407.jpg

REGULAR MODE AT 8AM!!! THATS NOT A PLANET AND THE SUN DOES NOT HAVE A MOON

I TRIED TO MAKE THE PICS BETTER BUT THATS AS GOOD AS I CAN GET.. BUT U CAN DO IT URSELF AND GET BETTER ONES!!!

NASA IS LYING ABOUT ELENIN SAYING U CANT SEE IT..WHY DONT THEY JUST TELL US THE TRUTH TO LOOK AT THE SUN WITH YOUR CAMER IN NEGATIVE AND INFA RED MODE DURING THE DAY?? AND TELL US THE TRUTH THAT IT CANT BE SEEN BECAUSE ITS COMING AT US FROM THE SAME POSITION THE SUN IS IN. U CANT SEE THE SUN AT NIGHT THEREFORE U CANT SEE ELENIN AT NIGHT...WHY ARE THEY LYING..WHY DONT THEY JUST TELL US WHERE AND HOW TO FIND IT DURING THE DAY...???

HERES THE DEAL ....ELENIN ACCORDING TO STARRY NIGHT AND STELLARIUM PROGRAMS AND NASAS PROGRAMS HAS IT COMING FROM BEHIND THE SUN AND WILL PASS IN FRONT OF THE SUN LATE SEPTEMBER!!! THE REASON NASA IS HIDING IT AND TELLING EVERYONE ITS NO BIG DEAL AND CANT BE SEEN IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT NO ONE WILL EVER FIGURE IT OUT. AND THE TRUTH IS THAT IT IS SEEN.. VERY EASILY DURING THE DAY.!!!! U CAN SEE FROM INFA RED MODE AND NEGATIVE MODE IT IS VERY EASY TO SEE NEXT TO THE SUN.!!!!!. IF ITS NOT ELENIN WHAT ELSE IS IT...??? YEAH..THE SUN DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE COMING UP FROM BEHIND IT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT.. THE NEARST STAR IS MILLIONS OF LIGHT YEARS AWAY... ITS NOT A STAR AND ITS NOT A PLANET...IS IT A UFO COMING AT US?? WHO KNOWS.. I BETCHYA 1,000,000,000,000 BAZILLION DOLLARS ITS ELENIN..LOOK AT THOSE WINGS COMING OFF OF IT !!!!THEY REALLY SHOW UP ON MY NEGATIVE MODE.

IT APPEARS THAT SOMTHING IS IN THE SAME POSITION AS THE SUN HEADED TOWARDS US THAT CAN ONLY BE VISIBLE DURING THE DAY.....

WHAT GREAT WAY FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO BE ABLE TO TELL EVERYONE THERES NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT..TILL ITS TOO LATE... I GUESS THEY THOUGHT NO ONE WOULD EVER FIND OUT..HEHE WELL WE DID!!!!
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST FOR EVERYONE TO GET THIS OUT AS FAST AND TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN..MAKE YOUTUBE VIDEOS EVERYTHING... ITS TIME TO LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG AND TOTALLY BLOW NASAS COVER OF DARKNESS IF YOU WILL PARDON THE PUN... IF THIS IS ELENIN OR NIBIRU OR SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO DO MASSIVE DAMAGE TO EARTH WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW..GET THIS ON YOUTUBE SATURATE YOUTUBE WITH VIDEOS ABOUT THIS....TRY TO CONTACT RUSSIA TODAY NEWS..THEY HAVE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB COVERING THINGS LIKE THIS....
MY FRIEINDS AND I WILL KEEP MONITORING THIS AND SEE IF AS THE DAYS CONTINUE IF IT GETS BIGGER!!!!!!!!
www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug20

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1032/877/Attention:_Elenin_Seen_During_The_Day_Next_To_Sun.html

~~~~~~~~

viking

[Mod-edit: Paul here - wondering if I should create a sub-forum, dedicated to ELENIN FEAR PORN.]

[pyriel]

That's a pretty damn huge object for it supposedly being just a "comet" huh

[greybeard]

I genuinely think the comet is disintegrating as reported in the main Elenin thread.
So what is being seen as per this thread is not Elenin.
Chris

[Flasky]

I didn't know PHONES had infrared ... ?

[Eric J (Viking)]

I didn't know PHONES had infrared ... ?

Hi Flasky ... yes I thought that as well...if you do a search on the apps on a iphone....quite a few choices...

just one example...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjwt-eEDPqg

viking

[Flasky]

Wow that is awesome... !!!

Well, I would HIGHLY rec for anyone with this app to take as many pics as possible and document them on Avalon so we can all see. This is the only pic I have seen so far.....

[Eric J (Viking)]

Ok i'll put this to the test...the apps work on the iphine 4...apparently they have the updated software...I have the iphone 3 but one of my son's has the iphone 4...its a bit cloudy today...but when I get home I'll get him to access the app on his iphone and hopefully tommorow it will be sunny!! Uk weather!! ha ha ...

I'll post the results here and on the main Elenin thread as well...we'll see...

viking

[Flasky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H7jm6QY-1s

I just found this video...is this guy onto something? O_o

[ghostrider]

this is the reason the sun is going crazy and bombarding earth with gamma rays, photons and flares. same reason the moon last night was tipping over, the reason some say oh it's breaking up , it's no threat , don't believe it, just so happens the USA loses it's triple A rating for the first time in history ?? they know the know world is in deep do do. nothing ain't really gonna matter, this object has them all scared, because they can't control it. I think it's the return of the annunaki, that's just my personal opinion. the real question is what is behind elenin ? that will disrupt the gravity wave between the sun and earth.... and that energy ribbon we are passing through.... way too much is all conversing at the same time.... there is no accidents....look for a huge distraction in the next week or so, pointing away from our visitor planet/comet/nibiru/ put whatever name you want , it s doesn't belong in our solar system, it's creating havoc in our ENTIRE solar system...... more dead birds in russia, new quakes today north of antartica and off the coast of california, new guinea, pueto rico, alaska, washington.. earth is shaking because of this object's affect on the sun.....

[Solphilos]

Camera artifacts. Ive attempted to take pictures of the sun with my previous phones, but kept getting a similar annoying little orb in the shot, always at the same distance away. With one particular phone I'd even get a perfect black sphere in the middle of the sun, which, I would have posted it on here or GLP, would have led down numerous avenues of conspiracy theory and had people screaming 'NIBIRU!' from here to Chinatown.
It has something to do with low resolution cameras that most cell phones use, those these days they are getting better and better and I'm unsure if this phenomena still works.

[GK76]

The link to the 'fivedoves.com' page is on the wonk... but seeing the nature of the rest of that website, I guess he's been taken away and burned as a witch.

It's an interesting find, many things fit with ye olde stories of what we should find as the unknown planet (the wings/horns etc). It's just so hard to keep up with all the theories out there, I'm kinda shocked no one has claimed it's earth's dead twin sister sharing the exact solar orbit.

Still that's our inquisitive nature, wouldn't trade it for anything. :D

Update:

I've just tracked down the original post (via the second link) and strangely it is a copy/paste situation - not altered for effect. He/she seemingly has had capslock glued down (for ease of nutterage). I have developed a major problem recently with religious fundaMENTALists and their over excitable ways which oddly enough, even translates down to their written articles... honestly who really believes that the original post wasn't intended to look like the work of a nut? Dis/mis-info campaign at work? Or just the ramblings of a whacko?

Thankfully on Avalon the picture is the only piece which is taken as evidence.

[Sugarific]

I just found this video...is this guy onto something? O_o

It does seem a bit far fetched... but I can see the resemblances. Lets keep an open mind.

[Anno]

If there was a transmission coming from 'it', what frequency range and mode would it be using? I don't have a Ham Radio but I have a scanner.

Normally I'd suspect it to be microwave which I wouldn't be able to pick up but if it's some sort of time capsule type object then maybe it would be in a more easy to detect band? Possibly Short Wave or something? Could be an interesting project.

No you're right it would be microwave probably because you could make smaller but still very directional antennas.
However a time capsule that is supposed to survive several thousand years in deep space with this lot of radiation ?
Our current known electronics wouldn't make it I think ... In all I expect that IF there would be a signal then it would
be a planted signal for psyop purposes.

Why would they mention Ham Radio then? This is what's confusing me. They only cover a few bands and there are plenty more out there.

I'm not sure about microwave. If I made something to carry a message that I wanted to be heard I'd choose something simple. What's the simplest form of radio that you can buy in kit form for kids? And what frequency band have they been replacing with Digital? The final digital switchover is underway in the UK this month so in a couple of weeks the analogue FM signals will be 'switched off'. Coincidence?

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

ClandestineDisclosure. Hi
The link you have posted is broken, but I did manage to track it down. So I thank you for pointing in the right direction. I believe this video is spot on the money. The question now remains, Who is behind the dis-info?

Fixed link.

V0cqBwXNqn0

[applejax]

I just found this video...is this guy onto something? O_o

It does seem a bit far fetched... but I can see the resemblances. Lets keep an open mind.

agreed. keeping an open mind here...

[Gaia]

I recall that the HD images of the probe B Stereo summers have not yet disclosed.

[Sidney]

Camera artifacts. Ive attempted to take pictures of the sun with my previous phones, but kept getting a similar annoying little orb in the shot, always at the same distance away. With one particular phone I'd even get a perfect black sphere in the middle of the sun, which, I would have posted it on here or GLP, would have led down numerous avenues of conspiracy theory and had people screaming 'NIBIRU!' from here to Chinatown.
It has something to do with low resolution cameras that most cell phones use, those these days they are getting better and better and I'm unsure if this phenomena still works.


There are too many "artifacts", that look just like this. I personally do not believe the artifacts theory, not in a million years.

[Calz]

Slightly off topic but ties in with the "big picture" regarding centuries old plans of a "breakaway civilization(s)". Edward can likely shed some light regarding the power structures of the elite (rockys roths and aryan/nazis).

What's going on and who might be directing (or had been directing) Elenin and who might be in a position to and have motivation to take it down with some sort of immense pulse weapon (unconfirmed information posted on Kerry's blog)?

*** note: see post # 45 for new data debunking the previous from Kerry's blog ***

Joseph Farrell latest video message from Sept. 2nd.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXYpvi6h04&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=CoS3fO3mWWM

[Operator]

And again we have a pic of the sun ... why o why do people expect things to come from the direction of the sun ?

Somehow the programming has done its work: a 2nd sun must mean there are 2 suns visible in the same spot ?

I also would like to know why this is Elenin ... There is another thing they didn't tell us ... Santa Claus will be early
this year. I think we just spotted him :p

[Taurean]

Try looking at it thru a Welders shield.

[steveofengland]

It's not elenin. It's a glitch with the camera. I've taken pics with various phone cameras and you get the same effect. If there were an object there it would stay in the same place relative to the sun, but it doesn't. It never stays in the same place twice. Therefore can only be lense flare. The camera can't handle the extreme light. Sorry guys.

[G.A]

I took this photo today at noon with my iphone 4 + magnetic film (DYI Infrared Film) over the lens. I don't see anything but the sun there.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9282/img0124ul.jpg

[Andrew]

Probably Venus?

[Lazlo]

Richard C. Hoagland - Comet Elenin as a Time Capsule, Norway Attack & The Messengers of Horus
July 25, 2011
[...]

Could it be that Elenin is a time capsule sent by our ancestors containing important information crucial for this time?

[...]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/07/RIR-110726.php

Again, that would have been 1 million years ago...

I am not sure what inspires Hoagland but I think he is losing it.

http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/richard-hoaglands-selective-numerology-of-comet-elenin/

This is a worthwhile read by a real astrophysicist calling out the claims of Hoagland, and a useful reference on the problem with using numerology to assign importance to any celestial event.

[norman]

Why OH! WHY!?...do people keep on pointing cheap optics at bright light sources and getting whacked out about all the artifacts that inevitably produces?

PLEASE!... look up a decent source of information ( like the focal encyclopedia of photography ) and pay close attention to "internal refraction" and "internal reflection"

[Gaia]

I recall that the HD images of the probe B Stereo summers have not yet disclosed ???

2011 SEP 11

On 9/11 Elenin will make it’s closest approach to the SUN, the distance between Elenin and the sun at this time is apprx 44.804.792 miles or 72.090.910 kilometers.

2011 SEP 12

The last Full Moon before Elenin will align with earth several times, enjoy it because it may be your last Full Moon !

2011 SEP 21-22

Perfect Alignment between Earth Elenin and Venus with for the First time Elenin in between 2 planet when the alignment happens !:o

2011 SEP 26-27&28

Elenin will pass between the Earth and the Sun for 3 days, this could be the Three days of Darkness in the Bible !:p

2011 SEP 27

Perfect alignement Elenin, Earth and Sun, Elenin will be in between the Earth and the Sun ! This is the same alignement as the one that triggered the Japan Earthquake on March 11 2011, only this time Elenin much closer to Earth than in March during the Japan Quake ! So the first of several massive earthquakes will happen around or on September 25th 2011. By this time, if Elenin is the long awaited Niburu or planet X we will have seen signs already, the changing magnetic field could kill millions of animals like fish and birds just like last January 2011. Note, that this is the first that Elenin is in between the Earth and Sun when an alignement takes place ! At this moment the distance between Elenin and the Earth is 38.297.872 miles or just 61.621.276 kilometers.

2011 SEP 26-27

Maybe an even worse but not “Perfect” Alignement between Elenin, Earth, Sun and Mercury this time, the same as on March 11th 2011 and Sep 24th only Mercury is in the picture to, Elenin is at its closest point to earth yet. This alignment could trigger the largest earthquake in the history of mankind ! Remember the Bible talking about a large earthquake moving mountains and stuff …

This could be it if... It wasn’t 2 days ago...;)

The distance between Elenin and the Earth: 35.416.236 miles or 56.984.723 kilometers.

2011 OCT 12 – OCT 19

The 3th alignement : Elenin, Earth and Mars align with Elenin for the first time ever in between Earth and Mars + this allignement will happen during a full Moon ! On October 12th 2011 the comet/astroid 1036 Ganymede makes it’s closest approach to Earth ! At this date there is also a second alignemend involving the Earth, Jupiter and Venus !

2011 OCT 17

Closest approach to Earth of Elenin : 0,232 au that’s 21.565.792 miles or 34.569.964 kilometers, if NASA isn’t telling us a lie about these distances … Also on oct 17th there is an alignement between the Earth, Jupiter and Mercury !

2011 OCT 28

Alignment Earth, Mercury and Venus together with again a second alignement at the same time between Earth, Sun and Jupiter (Alignment untill 1-11-11)

To be continued...

Gaia

[Floor]

You said: "protect ourselves against their influences". I tried to find how and I read something of you stating we can do that by will and intention. Is that enough? I am not so good at it, it seems. Especially during the night, when I sleep. Would you like to tell something more about how to protect?

[greybeard]

The comet Elenin is disintegrating
Please visit link below

http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm

[greybeard]

Also regarding Comet Elenin disintegration

http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm

[Gaia]

The comet Elenin is disintegrating
Please visit link below

http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm

Some New Age weirdos are saying that the “Annunaki spaceship Elenin” Is just sending out Scouts… So it looks like it is disintegrating Greybeard ?...

Fantasy knows no limit. Do you rembember Nancy Lieder, a self proclaimed contactee who claims to receive messages from aliens through an implant in her brain, stated that Hale–Bop was a fiction designed to distract the population from the coming arrival of “Nibiru” or “Planet X”, A giant planet whose close passage would disrupt the Earth’s rotation, causing global cataclysm...


Well comets are fragile objects, so this developement while unexpected comes as no surprise...

Comet Honda will pass relatively close to Earth about 8,980,000 km; 5,580,000 miles. It’s about half the size of Elenin, about 0.5 to 1.6 km in diameter and it’s a short period comet which means it’s been here before without much incident. It passes every 5.26 years. Comet Honda is expected to reach a peak magnitude of around 7.3 in late September when it is near perihelion. Since the magnitude brightness scale is descending by order of brightness…That means the comet is not very bright and would have to be a 4 to be seen with the naked eye. However, it can be viewed with binoculars in the right vantage point. Other than that, we are seeing more cometary visitors and 2012-2014 may hold more surprises.

I’m not a doomsday’er and I don’t think Elenin is a threat to humanity….However, I am hoping for a once in a lifetime meteor shower:rolleyes:

Kindest regards my friend:)

Gaia

[cloud9]

And yet another Elenin thread... which is fine I guess. I'm not an expert but what I see in the picture seems a flare in the camera, I would bet money it's not a real object.

[Gaia]

Further study of Comet Elenin orbit appeared to indicate that it was making its first-ever visit to the inner solar system. This happens routinely with comets, since, like your in laws, so many come from great distances. Other comets, like Halley for instance, travel on closed oval orbits called an ellipses and revisit the Earth’s vicinity periodically. These are called the periodic comets. Comet Elenin doesn’t appear to be any different from numerous other comets. It’s orbiting the sun in a predictable manner.

Leonid Elenin has studied the orbit of his comet closely and predicts that gravitational tugs from the giant planets Jupiter and Saturn will likely reshape its orbit into a very long, cigar shaped ellipse. The closed track would return the comet for another visit in about 10,000 years. Further observations will no doubt refine Elenin orbit and narrow the possibilities.

Comet Elenin orbits nearly in the same plane as the planets do. It’s currently in the constellation Leo the Lion and still very faint at 16th magnitude, well below the visual limit of most amateur telescopes. As it slowly moves closer to the Sun.

Even if Earth were to pass through the tail, at worst we’d see a meteor shower. That would be awesome ! That it !

30 guests right now geezzz !

Move on !

Gaia

[nearing]

Further study of Comet Elenin orbit appeared to indicate that it was making its first-ever visit to the inner solar system. This happens routinely with comets, since, like your in laws, so many come from great distances. Other comets, like Halley for instance, travel on closed oval orbits called an ellipses and revisit the Earth’s vicinity periodically. These are called the periodic comets. Comet Elenin doesn’t appear to be any different from numerous other comets. It’s orbiting the sun in a predictable manner.

Leonid Elenin has studied the orbit of his comet closely and predicts that gravitational tugs from the giant planets Jupiter and Saturn will likely reshape its orbit into a very long, cigar shaped ellipse. The closed track would return the comet for another visit in about 10,000 years. Further observations will no doubt refine Elenin orbit and narrow the possibilities.

Comet Elenin orbits nearly in the same plane as the planets do. It’s currently in the constellation Leo the Lion and still very faint at 16th magnitude, well below the visual limit of most amateur telescopes. As it slowly moves closer to the Sun.

Even if Earth were to pass through the tail, at worst we’d see a meteor shower. That would be awesome ! That it !!!!

30 guests right now geezzz !

Move on !

Gaia

Talk about confusion. We are told it disintegrated, now this astronomer tells us it is still coming in. Can't be both.

[Gaia]

Further study of Comet Elenin orbit appeared to indicate that it was making its first-ever visit to the inner solar system. This happens routinely with comets, since, like your in laws, so many come from great distances. Other comets, like Halley for instance, travel on closed oval orbits called an ellipses and revisit the Earth’s vicinity periodically. These are called the periodic comets. Comet Elenin doesn’t appear to be any different from numerous other comets. It’s orbiting the sun in a predictable manner.

Leonid Elenin has studied the orbit of his comet closely and predicts that gravitational tugs from the giant planets Jupiter and Saturn will likely reshape its orbit into a very long, cigar shaped ellipse. The closed track would return the comet for another visit in about 10,000 years. Further observations will no doubt refine Elenin orbit and narrow the possibilities.

Comet Elenin orbits nearly in the same plane as the planets do. It’s currently in the constellation Leo the Lion and still very faint at 16th magnitude, well below the visual limit of most amateur telescopes. As it slowly moves closer to the Sun.

Even if Earth were to pass through the tail, at worst we’d see a meteor shower. That would be awesome ! That it !!!!

30 guests right now geezzz !

Move on !

Gaia

Talk about confusion. We are told it disintegrated, now this astronomer tells us it is still coming in. Can't be both.

There are perfectly good natural explanations for these phenomena that don’t invoke invading brown dwarfs and end of the world scenarios. The Earth going to be here a long time, even after we’re gone. It’s a wonderful planet, generally friendly to humans, but liable to do unpredictable things that make us humans wonder why. Comet Elenin is one many comets that swing through inner system every year. At least for now, there’s nothing particularly unusual about it.

[nearing]

If he is saying that this is it's first foray into our solar system and that it come back every year, then it is very unusual indeed.

And the alignment dates and large EQs associated with them do suggest a Dwarf Star associated with it as well.

I look forward to the weeks ahead.

[Gaia]

If he is saying that this is it's first foray into our solar system and that it come back every year, then it is very unusual indeed.

And the alignment dates and large EQs associated with them do suggest a Dwarf Star associated with it as well.

I look forward to the weeks ahead.

My grandfather witnessed Halleys Comet on two occasions. Once as a child in Northern Canada and the second times in Alberta in his 90's.

No need to lose sleep over what has occured countless times before and nothing has happened. Look put it this way. Just because we now have the ability to predict paths of comets and other lumps of the cosmos doesn't suddenly mean that this is the first time it has happened or that it won't happen again any number of times in the future.

[hohoemi]

if, like me, you at first found the youtube footage of comet elenin exploding convincing, here's a short summary of why I now believe it's a "trick of the eye" :)



1) Claim: An explosion from jupiter splits elenin in two

videos like this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fDjO9Nhslo&feature=related) show what appears to be an explosion originating from jupiter, which makes comet elenin break in two when the shock-wave hits it.

2) Explosion = refraction of light in telescope

here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0cqBwXNqn0&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_491182) is an explanation and demonstration of how the "shock-wave" is actually a refraction of the light in the telescope.

(credit: both above videos were found on kerry cassidy's site)

2b) Jupiter and Elenin were too far from each other

this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5VcDaPqmNg&feature=related) explains the problem quite well, including a diagram from 2:58 onward which shows just how far from comet elenin jupiter actually is, showing that even if an explosion did take place there, there's no way it could reach elenin.

3) Splitting in two = there were two objects to begin with

yet even if the explosion theory is disproved, it still looks as if comet elenin splits and changes course, doesn't it?

not if you go to the original footage (http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/images) of the explosion.
(to look yourself: you have to choose telescope: "Behind HI1" and date (for example) "20110827" to "20110904", download the images of the telescope from this time-frame, and flick through them. (after watching any of the elenin-exploding videos, you'll be able to identify it in the pictures.))

you will see that there's another object which is on a similar course to elenin, which shortly before the "explosion" occupies the same space in the picture, which makes it look as if at the moment of the "explosion" elenin splits in two, with part of the debris changing course.

in fact, none of the two objects appear to change course if you look at a bigger time frame, they just "meet" visually for a while (meaning they could be very far from each other physically, but look close in the picture) and then continue on their own way.

here's three pictures showing this:
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1548/40330075.jpg
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2415/55634074.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1012/48307008.jpg

that's my best interpretation to date anyway - hope it was of use to someone :)

[Macka]

To hohoemi

While i totaly agree that the blast can't possibly come from jupiter, there does apear to be some sort of wave hit the comet.

This could also be explained the same way as your theory of there being two objects appearing to break up, (jupiter just happened to be the frame when the explosion took place).

I can also agree with you that lens flares or refraction of light in the telescpoe also happens from time to time.

But what would be the odds that at the same time a blast wave appears to hit the comet, the telescope also experiences some sort of refraction of light in the telescope while crossing paths with another object in space.

Using your own references this does not happen that often.

I like the idea you are trying to reason what we are seeing but i can't go along with your conclusions at

this point.

One thing is certain, its all pretty interesting.

[waftbycarol]

thanks , hohoemi , for the synopsis . I came here today to basically post the same conclusions . But you did it far better with your links .
I also wanted to comment on the hypothesized tetrahedral field surrounding the object . The human body has this same energy field surrounding it , and when spinning at full speed , it creates a flying saucer impression from a distance . ( Drunvalo Melchizedek has been teaching this for many years . I attended one of his 5 day workshops about ten years ago , and it was phenomenal ! )
There are more questions than answers surrounding this phenomenon - it's exhausting trying to keep up .
I for one would sure like some answers , and hopefully we will get them sometime soon .
...something is afoot...

[Hervé]

[...]
This is a worthwhile read by a real astrophysicist calling out the claims of Hoagland, and a useful reference on the problem with using numerology to assign importance to any celestial event.

Thanks Lazlo,

A very worthwhile read indeed, not only on figures manipulations (like with any statistics) but also pointing out something lost on about everyone speculating on this puny -- now defunct -- comet: the initial hyperbolic orbit stated as the basis for most speculations*.

That means that prior to its recent entering of this solar system, comet Elenin never -- ever -- visited this said solar system. Hence all speculations of it being a "return" of something -- whether Blue Kachina or "blast from the past" -- are crocks of s***!

* The million year initial orbital period and subsequent corrections down to 11,800 years period came after comet Elenin's orbit got disturbed by the influence of this solar system.

*** I forgot who said that "the lie is different at each level"... the only certainty left being that, whatever the level: it's a lie!

[Calz]

Many people believed the Blue Kachina prophecy was fulfilled by Holmes.


9747


The Hopi elders have long passed down their myths and prophecies from generation to generation via oral tradition. Additional details are extrapolated from their many ancient rock pictographs and tablets.

One such prophecy reveals: "When the Blue Star Kachina makes its appearance in the heavens, the Fifth World will emerge".

The Blue Star is seen as the starting herald of a Great Purification period beginning prior to 2012. This would last for 7 years in total. Interestingly comet Holmes 17P travels an orbit around the sun 7 years long. That fact makes for a rather ominous coincidence if you ask this researcher. That should mean the great purification runs through 24-10-2007 to 24-10-2014.

rest of story at:

http://2012rising.com/article/was-comet-holmes-the-hopi-blue-star

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Have you heard about this ..

The majority of the "Alliance" members, that govern our Solar System, have voted to annul Earth's membership. The current representative body of Earth will be dissolved on the 7th of September. All the leading members of Earth's representative body are under arrest and will be charged. I Hope to get a copy of the complete list of charges. There was a Motion to only suspend Earth's membership until a new body with new members could be appointed, but that motion was denied. It's a full annulment. (This is why I was late)

The most immediate implications, as I see them, are as follow:
The non-interference clause is now null and void. Any Race can now openly enter and influence the planet with whatever technology. They don't need to cloak, hide or act covertly. They can now openly announce their presence and intentions. There is now no limit on the abduction quota for each race.
The non-nuclear security measures are now null and void. Earth will no longer have the right to protection from nuclear devices and missiles being detonated anywhere on Earth. The friendly races that were helping Earth to stay safe from nuclear threats, no longer have to comply or monitor their "covertly" installed safety measures.
Earth is now an open target or sitting duck.
Our travel and transit thru our solar system is indefinitely and immediately halted.

There are more. This is all I have time to update you with for now.

Interesting. A tad off topic but nevertheless an interesting observation made by someone over at another site who also claims to be in the know.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Many of you might have read that thread about a pilot who claimed that he had been to Elenin. There was a thread about that posted here. Now, the buzz in ATS and in Chani Project is the awaited announcement that he promised 5 days ago that he will disclose today.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread746894/pg1

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,356.390.html

Finally, here is his announcement:



"The majority of the "Alliance" members, that govern our Solar System, have voted to annul Earth's membership. The current representative body of Earth will be dissolved on the 7th of September. All the leading members of Earth's representative body are under arrest and will be charged. I Hope to get a copy of the complete list of charges. There was a Motion to only suspend Earth's membership until a new body with new members could be appointed, but that motion was denied. It's a full annulment. (This is why I was late)

The most immediate implications, as I see them, are as follow:
The non-interference clause is now null and void. Any Race can now openly enter and influence the planet with whatever technology. They don't need to cloak, hide or act covertly. They can now openly announce their presence and intentions. There is now no limit on the abduction quota for each race.
The non-nuclear security measures are now null and void. Earth will no longer have the right to protection from nuclear devices and missiles being detonated anywhere on Earth. The friendly races that were helping Earth to stay safe from nuclear threats, no longer have to comply or monitor their "covertly" installed safety measures.
Earth is now an open target or sitting duck.
Our travel and transit thru our solar system is indefinitely and immediately halted.

There are more. This is all I have time to update you with for now."

Do not pay too much attention on the second paragraph since that is just his opinion. But if the first paragraph is true, then disclosure can already happen this month.

Read more: http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/forum/topics/latest-update-from-the-pilot-who-talked-about-reaching-elenin#ixzz1X0e5gywZ

~~~~~~~~

*shrugs* we'll see!!

viking

[Bridey]

Sounds like he works for Project Bluebeam.....making the alternative community, (us), believe in an upcoming alien attack.

Thx for the post Viking.....I guess we'll have to see.

[ThePythonicCow]

Sounds to me that the Tyrannical Bastards in Power (TBiP) are playing with our minds again.

I'd wager that they are setting us up for increased war (I worry for my friends in Israel), limited nukes, energy shortages, food shortages, financial panics, strange weather, strange events blamed on aliens, ...

World power means world control, with us minions and all our corporate and governing institutions brow beaten into subservience. It also requires an opposing force to justify - an existential alien threat. Then we are ripe to be united under one Earthly flag, against our common enemy.

I sure hope the optimists here get to lay flowers on my unmarked grave after this is all over ;). It will be the one under the oddly placed cow pie ... I'll have one of my bovine friends mark the spot.

[ThePythonicCow]

Read more: http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/forum/topics/latest-update-from-the-pilot-who-talked-about-reaching-elenin#ixzz1X0e5gywZ

The www.ashtarcommandcrew.net website seems to be down as I write this.

I have no idea how long this has been the case, and even less idea how long it will continue to be the case ;).

[Marianne]

I sure hope the optimists here get to lay flowers on my unmarked grave after this is all over ;). It will be the one under the oddly placed cow pie ... I'll have one of my bovine friends mark the spot.

Paul, If I'm still around, I'll make a pilgrimage to Texas and bring a flower to plant on your *ahem* cow pie -- it should grow really well, eh?

Marianne

[OnyxKnight]

Many of you might have read that thread about a pilot who claimed that he had been to Elenin. There was a thread about that posted here. Now, the buzz in ATS and in Chani Project is the awaited announcement that he promised 5 days ago that he will disclose today.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread746894/pg1

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,356.390.html

Finally, here is his announcement:


That is not the same person unfortunately. Somebody is playing a joke.

[Ecnal61]

sounds like this pilot chap works for hollywood...ie, fear mongering doom and gloom....keep your spirits up people.

[Orion.V]

I stopped reading after the first sentence. It's self explanatory ....

[OnyxKnight]

sounds like this pilot chap works for hollywood...ie, fear mongering doom and gloom....keep your spirits up people.

That's the thing. The writing style is different, and he promised no doom and gloom, just to now announce that the Earth is, I quote "An open target"?

He was supposed to announce something today, now its pushed to Wednesday apparently.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Um, also, I find it interesting that Elenin "fragmented".

Just as I said, multiple cargo going in diff. locations. Expect to see more anomalies (this largely directed at amateur astronomers) as we are approaching December.

Also, in conjecture to this, anyone hearing the "noise" in western Europe yet?

[Orion.V]

That's the thing. The writing style is different, and he promised no doom and gloom, just to now announce that the Earth is, I quote "An open target"? .

That's the thing. It's surprising how little details can reveal much :D

[MorningSong]

I don't think this bluecoat2 guy is the OP from GLP.

Here is today's message from the OP:


This is the real OP checking in from Key West. I'd ask that you do not post Bluecoats msgs here. While its interesting reading its all fiction. I am making. serious attempt at giving real information but it seems to be getting interwoven and mixed up with what this fellow Bluecoat is saying on some other forum.

By posting Bluecoats sci-fi tail here it.is muddying the waters

I will post from the original OP acct on Wednesday night or at the latest Thursday so hold tight until then.

And in response to a post asking for verification of his identity as the OP:


I have only posted to this site for a couple of.days a little over a.month ago and I haven't posted anything until two days ago. I have been off planet on a mission the last month and have had no internet access up until this week.

I have only posted here. Not to any other site. Others have posted bluecoats sci fi tail here thus your confusion.

gotta go for now.

Looks legit to me.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1578548/pg24

[Maia Gabrial]

Sorry if I sound skeptical, Viking, but I don't believe this guy at all. The tone is different as if it were a change in the game plan. Just like everyone on the forum, I think this isn't the same guy either. IF it were, then he probably HAD TO change up the story so that it fit with the endgame.... TPTW have their tentacles everywhere, don't they?
One thing I'm sensing is that everything IS in place for the fake alien invasion to start. Since they've been unsuccessful in provoking WW3 to start, they're going to ensure we fight someone, even if it's aliens/black ops.... TPTW badly want to see 85% of us die....
This may be the critical stage to their plans....
We have to wait and see...

[Orion.V]

Sorry if I sound skeptical, Viking, but I don't believe this guy at all. The tone is different as if it were a change in the game plan. Just like everyone on the forum, I think this isn't the same guy either. IF it were, then he probably HAD TO change up the story so that it fit with the endgame.... TPTW have their tentacles everywhere, don't they?
One thing I'm sensing is that everything IS in place for the fake alien invasion to start. Since they've been unsuccessful in provoking WW3 to start, then they're going to make sure we fight someone, even if it's aliens/black ops....
I think we're all in a very critical stage now....

That's a very good sense Maia. Considering many events that are now taking place we might think this is the last card they will play, along with the sudden emerging push for a global currency and many other things slowly falling in place ....

[OnyxKnight]

Here is some interesting information (at least to me) about Elenin and what the original space commando said:


check into the properties of E-type asteroids. very similar.

Very similar does not equal the same.

Many went to look for the definition of E-type asteroids, which while okay, and may shed light on something, its not what the commando said Elenin was.

* Its very, very flat in shape, similar to E-type asteroids;

* Like E-type asteroids, it can store water and absorb minerals;

* As it passes by gas clouds of hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, nitrogen etc., it can "scoop" the molecular cloud and store the "acquired" elements as part of its physical body, in crystalline form;

* It has some properties of enstatite, with large portions of magnesium in it;

* It has been described as having a shiny, reflective, metallic-like surface;

* It can be found in space around evolved stars (approaching end of star life cycle, or already dead stars, in planetary nebulas).

Here is in crystal form (enstatite alone):

http://www.surreyminerals.com/images/specimens/sm1891001.jpg

Something that it got mentioned the last time I talked with 'them' about Elenin was it is suppose to store information (genetic material information, and other things).

Also, we know crystals can store information too.

I'm just making some correlations. Maybe somebody will think of something more.

[DawnOfANewEra]

Sooo - the original posting on 8/30/11 said there was supposed to be some major planned event in 5 days, after which "Bluecoat" would make an announcement. That would be today, right? Anyone know of a "major planned event" going on anywhere around the world today? I haven't heard of anything major...

[kersley]

sounds like this pilot chap works for hollywood...ie, fear mongering doom and gloom....keep your spirits up people.

That's the thing. The writing style is different, and he promised no doom and gloom, just to now announce that the Earth is, I quote "An open target"?

He was supposed to announce something today, now its pushed to Wednesday apparently.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Um, also, I find it interesting that Elenin "fragmented".

Just as I said, multiple cargo going in diff. locations. Expect to see more anomalies (this largely directed at amateur astronomers) as we are approaching December.

Also, in conjecture to this, anyone hearing the "noise" in western Europe yet?

Onyx, What noise do you refer to?

[Aryslan]

Oh, this guy is in league with the GFL, or whatever it is. Goodbye credibility!

[astrid]

There has been alot of reports of people hearing weird noises coming up from the earth, there is a thread on this. Some of it sounds suspiciously like underground boring to me.

Let me dig it up and link it, brb..........

This was one of the clips.

vcUDYBIrWio

[Snowbird]

Um, also, I find it interesting that Elenin "fragmented".


Also, in conjecture to this, anyone hearing the "noise" in western Europe yet?

Elenin may or may not have fragmented and/or it may or may not have been diverted by force. Have you heard anything about that?

What "noise" do you refer to?

[Hervé]

[...]
Elenin may or may not have fragmented and/or it may or may not have been diverted by force. Have you heard anything about that?
[...]


Sorry to interject Snowbird, one doesn't need to "hear" about Elenin's fragmentation/pulverization... one just needs to look:


http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/Elenin%20disrupition%20no3.gif
[N]ew animation of 6 images taken Aug 19,22,23,27,29 Sep 2 displaying the nucleus in the process of disintegrating.


From: http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm

[jcocks]

Hey Amzer..

You keep on digging up the same image in suport of your claims. What about seeing how many more images you can find of the break-up?

I'm not saying you're wrong - just that the more evidence you find to support the break-up, the more likely we're looking at fact rather than more dis-info...

[TigaHawk]

If its true Skibad - Im all for it.

Alien rule over earth will be better than living in it now. At least they'll not lie about us being slaves - they'd just give it to us how it's going to be.


I think someones decided to impersonate someone else tho....

[Hervé]

Hey Amzer..

You keep on digging up the same image in suport of your claims. What about seeing how many more images you can find of the break-up?

I'm not saying you're wrong - just that the more evidence you find to support the break-up, the more likely we're looking at fact rather than more dis-info...

Hey J, if you did look at that latest animation (hence not the "same" old pictures) you might have noticed the barely visible smudge from Sept. 2sd. Elenin is now barely visible through amateur astronomers' available scopes. Never mind tryind to locate it with the naked eye or binoculars as was projected from the initial magnitude curve. According to that curve (see site), the break up occurred between August 19th and August 20th.

http://sydneystargazers.com/ archives analysis indicate an initial breakup into 3 pieces which further disintegrated into smaller pieces.

What more would you consider appropriate as convincing facts?

[truth4me]

Oh, this guy is in league with the GFL, or whatever it is. Goodbye credibility!Aryslan you get a gold star for your reply.......

[sygh]

[/Quote]Also, in conjecture to this, anyone hearing the "noise" in western Europe yet?[/QUOTE]

What noice? I think I'm out of this loop. Is that the same noice we were listening to out of Kiev that sounds like a frequency transmitter?

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Interesting imagination though ... The original pilot could be full of bangers and this bluecoat guy is full of mash. These spicy monkeys are what we seem to of created with our hunger.

Good fun if you just don't take it too seriously. It's like watching a movie but you're not actually 100% sure it's all fiction. There does stand that little chance some of it is real. The sheer fact that the original pilot claims to be venturing out to space with the alternative secret space program was timed beautifully and captured a lot of attention in a fascinating way.

Although I'm here to learn I do find these characters great side entertainment.

[winston smith1971]

Elenin explodes - MASSIVE explosion DISINTEGRATES comet Elenin BREAKING FOOTAGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdPRN8u709w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdPRN8u709w

[Hervé]

Elenin explodes - MASSIVE explosion DISINTEGRATES comet Elenin BREAKING FOOTAGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0cqBwXNqn0&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_491182

Yep! Big... BIG BADABOOM!

V0cqBwXNqn0

[MargueriteBee]

Well gee, isn't that awful!


Many of you might have read that thread about a pilot who claimed that he had been to Elenin. There was a thread about that posted here. Now, the buzz in ATS and in Chani Project is the awaited announcement that he promised 5 days ago that he will disclose today.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread746894/pg1

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,356.390.html

Finally, here is his announcement:



"The majority of the "Alliance" members, that govern our Solar System, have voted to annul Earth's membership. The current representative body of Earth will be dissolved on the 7th of September. All the leading members of Earth's representative body are under arrest and will be charged. I Hope to get a copy of the complete list of charges. There was a Motion to only suspend Earth's membership until a new body with new members could be appointed, but that motion was denied. It's a full annulment. (This is why I was late)

The most immediate implications, as I see them, are as follow:
The non-interference clause is now null and void. Any Race can now openly enter and influence the planet with whatever technology. They don't need to cloak, hide or act covertly. They can now openly announce their presence and intentions. There is now no limit on the abduction quota for each race.
The non-nuclear security measures are now null and void. Earth will no longer have the right to protection from nuclear devices and missiles being detonated anywhere on Earth. The friendly races that were helping Earth to stay safe from nuclear threats, no longer have to comply or monitor their "covertly" installed safety measures.
Earth is now an open target or sitting duck.
Our travel and transit thru our solar system is indefinitely and immediately halted.

There are more. This is all I have time to update you with for now."

Do not pay too much attention on the second paragraph since that is just his opinion. But if the first paragraph is true, then disclosure can already happen this month.

Read more: http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/forum/topics/latest-update-from-the-pilot-who-talked-about-reaching-elenin#ixzz1X0e5gywZ

~~~~~~~~

*shrugs* we'll see!!

viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

Ok i'll put this to the test...the apps work on the iphine 4...apparently they have the updated software...I have the iphone 3 but one of my son's has the iphone 4...its a bit cloudy today...but when I get home I'll get him to access the app on his iphone and hopefully tommorow it will be sunny!! Uk weather!! ha ha ...

I'll post the results here and on the main Elenin thread as well...we'll see...

viking

Nothing to report back here...took about 10 pics...no anomolies...!!

But now I have the software I'll see how it goes...

viking

[bonnyhut]

People, Sanni Ceto the Grey Alien Hybrid has the following to say about Elenin. I have been following much of the information about Elenin and Nibiru for a few years now and the following information makes sense to me:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzIZE6lOXlY

[RMorgan]

Also, in conjecture to this, anyone hearing the "noise" in western Europe yet?


What noice? I think I'm out of this loop. Is that the same noice we were listening to out of Kiev that sounds like a frequency transmitter?

There´s a thread about the strange noises that are been heard all over the world, here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27852-Strange-noise-in-Ukraine&highlight=ukraine

I´ve heard the noise several times here in Brazil. You´ll find more detailed description of my experiences on the above mentioned thread.

[norman]

Even if there was a decision by a solar system comittee and I even believed they were real, I'd be far more interested in what the regional galactic comittee had to say about it.

Jeez... even the logic of that message broke up quite a bit. It morphed from "we're grounded" to "we're under attack". That smacks of a feverish imagination skipping proper linkage of ideas.

[lslimerick]

Folks, I would like to remind people, we are in the most important times, stop giving energy to the doom, gloom and invasions.....we get to manifest how this goes forward, we are changing the world, we have already crossed the line and you must decide what timeline you are on, the one that blows up or the one that is what we are here to witness, ascension, peace, love and harmony......FOCUS people. You can still stay informed on things, but you must just OBSERVE....there is going to be all types of fear instilled situations, dont fret, let it go, stay on the side of love and light....PLEASE remain grounded........

You came here to hold the energy in time of absolute confusion, please remember why you are here!!!! xx

[Helvetic]

We have arranged this interview and put alot of effort in this video production, thank you for your consideration.

Elenin - Signs & Designs - the Truth revealed by James Horak


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOO2ORP99Ns

Randy Maugans interviews James Horak on OffPlanet Radio

In the short period since December 10, 2010, when a russian amateur astronomer named Leonoid Elenin staked out the body known as C/2010 XI, designated as a comet; it has taken on near mythological proportions on the internet. "Comet" Elenin has been the source of much apocalyptic speculation, theorizing, and posturing from new age prognosticators and conspiracy theorists, to semi-famous scientists... and even the famous NASA "buzz rooms" where science is trumped by hubris. It seemed time to inject a bit of wisdom into the topic... in an "offplanet" way, and to that end James Horak returns.

To understand Elenin, we need to understand the mechanics of the galaxies from the perspective of intelligent design and guidance. Previously, James has presented on the EMVs... intelligent, spiritual extraterrestrial "managers of energy" in the solar system - a discovery revealed by Dr. Norman Bergrun, of the Ames Space Center, in the 1986 book, "The Ringmakers of Saturn."

In recent months, several pundits have advanced speculation that Elenin is not a comet, due to changes in course and velocity, which are uncharacteristic of a natural interplanetary object. Moreover, it has been noted that it now appears that Elenin is not a single object, but a host for a "swarm" of other objects.

NASA (Never A Straight Answer) has glibly declined to commit to the status of the object... the internet rumor mill is vibrant... WHAT is Elenin? We offer a view not popular with the status quo of science, and one that strikes some intriguing questions... about Elenin, humanity, and the masters of control on Planet Earth.

Other topics touched are the human origins, the faked Apollo missions, the Moon, Mars, ETs versus EBEs, the EMVs, the hidden second technology, BP Oilspill, Katrina, Haiti earthquake; principles of economics, trade and banking, the resculpting the North American continent, the hostile alien thesis, the Office of Astronomical Telegrams and much more...

The original audio-only version of this interview can be listened to and downloaded at:
OffPlanet Radio (http://www.offplanetradio.com)

Download the full interview as PDF here:
Elenin-Signs and Designs-James Horak expl.pdf (http://www.divshare.com/download/15666280-918)

Go to our blogs for more interesting informations and videos:
http://www.emvsinfo.blogspot.com
http://www.information-machine.blogspot.com

[the trojan]

ooh ,I like a bit of Horak!

[The One]

I know another theory regarding Elenin but i thought its worth a mention coming from Michael E Salla's website

http://exopolitics.org/images/Elenin-Sept-3.jpg

Comet Elenin's current position - Sept 3, 2011. JPL
Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

According to an increasing number of astronomers including its discoverer, Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1) has begun disintegrating. It was hit directly by a coronal mass ejection (CME) from the sun on August 19, and soon began loosing visibility – suggesting it was breaking up. In contrast, respected science author Richard C. Hoagland claims that an unmistakable tetrahedral energy shield was displayed by Elenin during the CME confirming beyond any doubt that it is indeed an artificial structure – a space ship. Hoagland claims that reports that Elenin has disintegrated are part of a disinformation campaign to distract the public away from Elenin’s artificial nature, and the world changing message it has for humanity. The latest satellite images of Elenin showing its uninterrupted passage from the CME, no breaking apart, and clearly displaying some kind of triangular energy shield appear to support Hoagland’s claims.

On August 30, an Australian astronomer, Michael Mattiazzo, compared photographs from the Stereo HI1-B satellite over a ten day period after the CME hit Elenin on August 19, and wrote: http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm

You can see that comet Elenin was ahead of expectation but suddenly experienced a dramatic fade on August 20. This type of fading event usually means that the comet is in the process of disintegrating on its way towards perihelion and will no longer be potentially observable with the unaided eye. This happens quite regularly with comets.

He showed a number of images showing Elenin’s appearance before and after the CME hit. Here are two selected by Spaceweather.com that appear to show significant diminishing of Elenin’s light. http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=31&month=08&year=2011

http://exopolitics.org/images/Elenin-luminosity.png


On his website, Mattiazzo has displayed a graph tracking Elenin’s luminosity, and what was projected for it during key dates during its passage through the inner solar system.

http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/eleninlightcurve.gif


Various astronomers began a series of articles claiming that Elenin was disintegrating and wouldn’t survive perihelion – the closest approach to the sun. Here’s what a story on Universetoday.com said on August 29: http://www.universetoday.com/88494/comet-elenin-could-be-disintigrating/

Astronomers monitoring Comet Elenin have noticed the comet has decreased in brightness the past week, and the coma is now elongating and diffusing. Some astronomers predict the comet will disintegrate and not survive perihelion, its closest approach to the Sun.
Most recently, on September 3, Leonid Elenin, the first to observe the comet and after whom it was named, wrote:http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/09/03/comet-elenin-the-final-prospect/

Now it is absolutely clear that the comet’s drop in brightness, first noted by Michael Mattiazzo on Aug. 20th, was not coincidental – the decay process had already begun, and over the course of the next several days the comet changed greatly. Its pseudo-nucleus became diffuse and extended, and later vanished completely. On images from Sept. 1st in the comet’s coma there was no condensation visible, and that meant the comet had already broken up into fairly small pieces, with a maximum size of not more than a hundred meters.

Aside from the apparent diminishing of luminosity and alleged break up of Elenin caused by the August 19 CME, something else happened on that date. According to Richard Hoagland, an unmistakable energy shield appeared.

Here is the latest Enterprise Elenin imaging — produced from an original NASA STEREO-B satellite video, the latter recorded during Elenin’s recent encounter with a solar CME (coronal mass ejection), August 19th. The new image-composite (made from THREE “40-second HI-1 camera frames”) reveals several additional, startling details about Elenin’s now strikingly “tetrahedral shield” (which we discovered only last week) — that is apparently protecting “Elenin the spacecraft” (deep inside this shield) from excess solar radiation…. The full dimensions of this extraordinary “geometric force structure” now measures more than ~300,000 miles along each edge — more than 1.5 times the distance of Earth from the Moon! Needless to say, there is NO QUESTION now regarding the artificial nature of this object/structure …

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/300471_10150780475560089_213984790088_20569735_8318613_n.jpg

Hoagland released the above mentioned image composite on the Coast to Coast radio show showing the huge tetrahedral shield around Elenin revealed by the CME. The original video footage upon which it is based is found here.http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/08/24/interaction-between-comet-elenin-and-coronal-mass-ejection-from-the-sun/

The latest series of Stereo HI1-B images tracking Elenin show that it has not broken up at all, and that a triangular geometric formation did briefly appear during during a CME. This has been released on a September 2 video just released on Youtube (see below) – that tracked Elenin from August 22-30. The video also appears to confirm that Elenin’s luminosity diminished for a period of time, which is contrary to what was projected for it in Mattiazzo’s graph, and led to his conclusion that it was breaking up and would not survive perihelion – closest approach to the sun on September 11. Yet the August 22-30 satellite data shows that claims of Elenin’s break up may not be as conclusive as first thought, despite the period of diminishing luminosity recorded by Mattiazzo. In fact, Elenin appears to have regained luminosity during its passage suggesting that there is some other explanation for what was earlier observed.

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Also relevant is a series of You tube videos http://www.youtube.com/user/PropheticSeerChannel#p/u/7/Ti4vduEaclU that claimed Comet Elenin had been hit by some kind of plasma explosion from the direction of Jupiter on August 28, and had split in two. The problem was that apparent plasma explosion was little more than a camera anomaly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0cqBwXNqn0 resulting from Jupiter leaving Stereo HI1 B’s field of view. The same anomaly has been observed for Venus and other planets earlier, and even explained on the Stereo website http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/artifacts/artifacts.shtml. Also, the reported break-up of Elenin in two witnessed in the video was false. What the footage actually showed was Elenin briefly passing over another stellar object giving the appearance that Elenin was breaking into two. This might all have been a simple mistake on the part of some overzealous author, or part of a disinformation campaign that Elenin has broken apart.

The recent conflicting conclusions on comet Elenin do appear to be a premature dismissal of it as a weak insignificant comet about to break up, or having already broken up as its discoverer now believes due to a drop in its brightness. In contrast, the tetrahedral geometric structure observed by Hoagland suggests that it is more than just an ordinary comet, and in fact is an artificial object protected by an advanced geometric energy shield – a space ship. If Elenin is not a comet but an artificial structure, that may explain changes in its brightness. This may be why there appears to be so much disinformation surrounding Comet Elenin trying to deflect public interest from it. Hoagland’s claims, startingly as they are, appear to be supported by the most recent satellite images of Elenin showing a unique geometric structure surrounding it. Indeed, something extraordinary may be about to happen as Elenin approaches its September 11 perihelion, and other key dates during its passage between the Earth and Sun



http://news.exopoliticsinstitute.org/index.php/did-comet-elenin-disintegrate-or-reveal-artificial-energy-shield997/

[GlassSteagallfan]

In this video/audio, James Horak predicts that intelligently controlled Elenin may turn 90 degrees, and then leave the solar system. The purpose is to show humanity that ET exists and is friendly.

[nearing]

I don't think I have ever heard of Horak before, he seems to have "insider" info.

[Hervé]

OK The One, this has already been posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=301245&viewfull=1#post301245

[truth4me]

I like James Horak! First time I ever heard him speak. Great video.....

[Flasky]

That was FASCINATING! Wow, just wow, and to think I was starting to think more and more that Elenin was never a comet to start with...Just wow.

Exciting times ahead for sure.

[TigaHawk]

We allready know that ET exist and are friendly (Why we're still here today and not being eaten on alien dinner plates or on their version of an operating table en-masse, or have a war of the worlds senario on our hands)

Just that a bunch of idiots that get to dictate what we know and what we dont know have decided they "dont" want us to know about ET.

Even tho 90% of us know, inside our hearts that we're not alone, its sad the actual "fact" of their existance sits on the shoulders of a group of farts thats only care is fattening their pockets.

[lightpotential]

Dear Group,

I have done another video presentation on the matter of Elenin, putting forward a new theory as to what I believe has entered our solar system, and how it is NOT a large mass brown dwarf star, or Nibiru.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAHo_FCQZ8Y&hd=1


Keith

[Maia Gabrial]

I'll bet that in a short while, Elenin will be right there again, heading this way still. I think on one of the other threads, it also had something to do with camera angle....

[ghostrider]

elenin under intellegent control, now the orbit makes sense,, a comet would go right into the sun , but a planet/craft comes in makes a sharp left turn and goes right back out basically the way it came in... they are here and want to say hello we are here......there is a better way to live , and we have a chance to join our galactic family finally.... gotta put the cabal out of power.... we are one.... time to re-shape the matrix....

[Ilie Pandia]

I didn't know PHONES had infrared ... ?

Hi Flasky ... yes I thought that as well...if you do a search on the apps on a iphone....quite a few choices...

just one example...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjwt-eEDPqg

viking

Indeed phones do not have Infrared capabilities.

The apps you can use are simply software for digital photo manipulation to "fake" or "emulate" IR vision using various algorithms.

Even the Youtube video states at the end, that the filter is simply getting the lower part of the visible spectrum and is not actually infrared vision.

If you want to test for infrared vision, go into a perfectly dark room (to your eyes!) and then take a picture of your body. If the photo shows the hot/warm areas of your body, then yes, you have infrared.

In my opinion the photo in the original post is a digitally inverted lens flare caused be overloading the cheap lens of the phone. Expensive lenses don't do any better either. To photograph the Sun or around it you need special filters.

PS: The title of this thread is very misleading. It should have been something close to: "Something appears near the Sun if photographed with my phone". No argument was offered to show that is Elenin.

[Hervé]

Indeed phones do not have Infrared capabilities.



Not totally accurate, they do to some extent when treating the RAW data. One can turn even a computer mouse into some cheap infrared reader.:p

However, when dealing with the processed color pictures, the IR portion of the CCD spectrum is left out; and in that case the statement is correct. ;)


PS: The title of this thread is very misleading. It should have been something close to: "Something appears near the Sun if photographed with my phone". No argument was offered to show that is Elenin

Oh, well... divide and conquer...

[Ilie Pandia]

Indeed phones do not have Infrared capabilities.



Not totally accurate, they do to some extent when treating the RAW data. One can turn even a computer mouse into some cheap infrared reader.:p

However, when dealing with the processed color pictures, the IR portion of the CCD spectrum is left out; and in that case the statement is correct. ;)


That may be so, but as far I know the CCD sensor is designed to capture meaningful information in the visible spectrum. Do you actually know of iPhones with a CCD camera that can truly take IR photos? Using iTunes apps?

[Hervé]

That may be so, but as far I know the CCD sensor is designed to capture meaningful information in the visible spectrum. Do you actually know of iPhones with a CCD camera that can truly take IR photos? Using iTunes apps?

True, iPhones are not designed to capture IR only and I don't know of any that are. What I suspect the apps of doing is taking the RAW data and extracting the IR portion that has been recorded by filtering out the rest of the spectrum.

[Ilie Pandia]

True, iPhones are not designed to capture IR only and I don't know of any that are. What I suspect the apps of doing is taking the RAW data and extracting the IR portion that has been recorded by filtering out the rest of the spectrum.

I see... that could work if the CCD has some IR data. My hunch is that the App simply uses the "red channel" data and with slight alterations presents it as "IR". How to test? :biggrin:

PS: Sorry to derail this thread a bit, but it goes to show what kind of devices you can use and what you can expect to actually get when hunting for comets.

[Hervé]

I see... that could work if the CCD has some IR data. My hunch is that the App simply uses the "red channel" data and with slight alterations presents it as "IR". How to test? :biggrin:

PS: Sorry to derail this thread a bit, but it goes to show what kind of devices you can use and what you can expect to actually get when hunting for comets.

No doubt about marketing PR scams...

How to test? What you suggested previously: in near dark, taking pictures of objects offering a range of temperatures from ice cubes to that handy cup of coffee or tea... :ranger:... Iron sole... inside of oven... etc.

I'll try to locate the references I had in mind on IR capacity of regular cams and add it here later.



Refs:
http://aggregate.org/DIT/4X5/
http://aggregate.org/DIT/RGBNIR/
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/ir.htm
http://www.lifepixel.com/tutorials

[Ilie Pandia]

I've got a very hot cup of tea, just after boiling it and went into the bathroom with no light... nothing registered on the sensor but noise.

The apps that were allegedly doing infrared, were simply selecting a very long exposure time and a high gain and that could trick you if they could get a bit of light. But no luck here, only blue reddish noise...

So I've looked on the net and most IR apps state clearly that they are fakes:



Entertain your friends making them believe your phone has infra-red thermal vision capabilities.
See your camera preview looking like a Thermal Visor in real time, and take thermal looking pictures.
DISCLAIMER
Phones don't have real infra-red capabilities, this App is for entertainment purposes only.


Looking at your links the first two talk about NIR (near Infrared). So yes, there is some sensitivity to IR but not quite.

The third was more interesting:



Unlike film, digital cameras are all sensitive to IR. This is unfortunate for regular photography since sensitivity to IR can makes colors look unnatural.

Thus all digital cameras and camcorders have an internal filter deliberately to remove IR.


So I guess that while the digital cameras do have IR sensitivity, it appears to be deliberately filtered out. And the IR apps (at least for Android) have a disclaimer "Phones don't have real infra-red capabilities". :biggrin:

This site also suggests that having an IR camera in your phone is no simple feat: http://www.androidguys.com/2011/02/02/infrared-ir-camera-android/

[Ilie Pandia]

I've decided to change the title of this thread after all.

It's still a stretch since the original photo does not really have anything to do with Elenin, but lets say "we stay open to the possibility".

And I make again a plea to please please choose the names of the threads carefully! They appear to our visitors (and to the google index) as facts coming from the Avalon Forum. This is not contributing to the quality of this platform. Let's not add more support to poorly researched articles by simply copying their titles.

Quote from the guidelines:



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[Dawn]

I'd like to debunk this as false and misleading.


.............MY FRIEINDS AND I WILL KEEP MONITORING THIS AND SEE IF AS THE DAYS CONTINUE IF IT GETS BIGGER!!!!!!!!
www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug20

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1032/...xt_To_Sun.html

I noticed the date at the bottom of this post (Aug 20). This link is no longer active. So I searched further.

On the SAME date in the NASA photos (http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/spaceweather/) a planet sized object with 'wings' is shown. So, the idea that NASA is hiding this is a lot of drama and... well.... lies from someone addicted to the idea of conspiracy.

To see for yourself:
1. go to http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/spaceweather/
2. Find the 8/20/11 date.
3. Look at the 'blue LASCO C3 image to see a planet with 'wings'.
There is no description here of what this object is, however there is an orbit diagram which certainly indicates that Venus would have been exactly where the object was shown in the beginning of the thread. By the way, it is normal for planets near the sun in these images to have 'wings'.

I too see lots of lies and conspirators in our government, however I try to check facts as much as possible. I know one thing about my mind, once it believes something it attempts to create evidence to prove that it is right. I'd rather not be run around in circles by my mind so I try to use wisdom check things out before I buy into drama, thought you all might appreciate my sharing what I found in checking.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks Ilei with your expertise information with regard to cell phones...very usefull...

I was wondering I have a some infrared binoculars which I use for night viewing various anomolies in the skies...yopu know the ones...

If I put a filter on them and looked towards the sun ... would this work?? just a thought...

viking

[OnyxKnight]

Um, also, I find it interesting that Elenin "fragmented".


Also, in conjecture to this, anyone hearing the "noise" in western Europe yet?

Elenin may or may not have fragmented and/or it may or may not have been diverted by force. Have you heard anything about that?

What "noise" do you refer to?

I know a thing or two about astronomy. From the reports I read recently, it seems that it has "fragmented" into few big pieces and several small ones. The sudden change of trajectory happened after the "disattach".

Some of the noises heard in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Siberia, Hungary and elsewhere. There were reports of something of this type also appearing in the UK and France.

I asked to see if it can confirmed by members living in these countries.

Each noise is slightly different. It doesn't sound like a boring machine because its way too loud and it usually can be heard from any possible three dimensional, 360 degree angle.

Some of the sounds even sound organic. Like some of the weird noises caught in underwater exploration that to this day are unexplained.

[Ammit]

I am in the south uk and have not heard the noises like they have in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Siberia or Hungary. All we have at the moment is very high winds.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hey I'm not trying to scaremonger.... but,



Now guess where Obama will be on next major ELEnin alignment on Sept.27, 2011?

...do we believe in coincidence? Denver...hmmmm whats at Denver ???


Denver, home of the world famous Denver International Airport, deep underground bunkers, rumored new capital of the U.S. in the event of a major collapse. Source

Coincidence? who knows?

Some have speculated Elenin could expand dramatically like Comet Holmes and create an eclipse effect (three days of darkness).

more here...
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/09/guessguess-where-obama-will-be-on-next.html

~~~~~~~~

viking

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Target shmarget... I have free will and I do not agree :)

[Carmody]

All Hubble telescope information is encrypted and is tight beamed to the American base called "White Sands", and filtered there, before it can go anywhere else. No real connection to this thread but an interesting data point - nonetheless.

[Peace of Mind]

Too many secrets are within these organizations to take anything they say truthfully. IMO, It seems like they're prepearing the people for the false alien attack. It just doesn't sit right with me. Why would they have such technology to explore space and keep us in the dark about it? If they can do this and keep it secret...do you really want to trust what they say? I'm wondering how this lone guy was able to travel the stars amongst hostile entities and made it back to Earth. On top of that, he now wants to spill the beans....without any proof of his claims? He's not even submitting a picture of his space ship, space, the comet,.... nothing. Or did I missed this part of his disclosure?

I wonder what he expects us (the populace) to do other than panic. This is some suspect info...

Peace

[Orion.V]

Too many secrets are within these organizations to take anything they say truthfully. IMO, It seems like they're prepearing the people for the false alien attack. It just doesn't sit right with me. Why would they have such technology to explore space and keep us in the dark about it? If they can do this and keep it secret...do you really want to trust what they say? I'm wondering how this lone guy was able to travel the stars amongst hostile entities and made it back to Earth. On top of that, he now wants to spill the beans....without any proof of his claims? He's not even submitting a picture of his space ship, space, the comet,.... nothing. Or did I missed this part of his disclosure?

I wonder what he expects us (the populace) to do other than panic. This is some suspect info...

Peace

Anyone can easily come in the alternative news mediums and share disinfo, rubbish and gain some credibility in order to put people as much away from the truth they can, to share fear porn and stuff like that ... Thankfully many people can just recognize the disinfo agents ....

[Sesan]

One needs to use caution here. This feels like another attempt at generating as much negative energy as possible......fear porn!!!!!!! Beware!
Just my two cents.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

All Hubble telescope information is encrypted and is tight beamed to the American base called "White Sands", and filtered there, before it can go anywhere else. No real connection to this thread but an interesting data point - nonetheless.

And there you have it. Didn't know about White Sands. Thats my knowledge for the day. (will check more into this later) thanks again Carmody.

Y'know we should have a practice run with one of the members here to pretend he/she is in the know and has some secret info on a scorching subject and see what they come up with. You'd surprise yourself with the amount of garbage you'd come out with but you'd be able to put yourself in that position and have everyone hanging on your every word and I bet most members here could pull it off.
I'd actually like to see someone do this... just for a laugh.

[Eva2]

And so it goes on....

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1. Did Comet Elenin disintegrate or reveal an artificial energy shield?
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Did Comet Elenin disintegrate or reveal an artificial energy shield?
September 3, 2011. Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

Comet Elenin's current position - Sept 3, 2011. JPL
According to an increasing number of astronomers including its discoverer, Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1) has begun disintegrating. It was hit directly by a coronal mass ejection (CME) from the sun on August 19, and soon began loosing visibility - suggesting it was breaking up. In contrast, respected science author Richard C. Hoagland claims that an unmistakable tetrahedral energy shield was displayed by Elenin during the CME confirming beyond any doubt that it is indeed an artificial structure – a space ship. Hoagland claims that reports that Elenin has disintegrated are part of a disinformation campaign to distract the public away from Elenin’s artificial nature, and the world changing message it has for humanity. The latest satellite images of Elenin showing its uninterrupted passage from the CME, no breaking apart, and clearly displaying some kind of triangular energy shield appear to support Hoagland’s claims.
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[ClandestineDisclosure]

To whomever wrote that nonsense,

My favorite color and the airspeed velocity of a coconut-laden swallow is irrelevant. What is relevant is your next course of action, for which I have one -- and only one -- suggestion.

Kindly craw back under that bridge from which you emerged.

Peace

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Viking,

Thanks for being open about this too :biggrin:. I appreciate your reply.

Using filters should work, but in this case I have no practical experience at all. My camera user manual clearly states "dot not photograph the Sun directly. You may burn the sensor or damage your eyes".

What I did use as a child to look at the sun, was what we call here a "welding mask". But you need one that is new! Used ones have bits of metal embedded in them that may look as comets or other artifacts. Taking photos through that should work.. in theory... But take care of your eyes though, and your equipment.

Myself I would invest in night vision goggles , as it seems you can see more interesting stuff :)

[Maia Gabrial]

So, the message to all you amateur astronomers, keep watching that part of the cosmos even when NASA shuts down all their cameras as a way to hide the truth, YOU'LL know the truth. Elenin will probably still be there. Still heading this way. It's NASA's credibility we're all seeing blowing up.
And there's nothing to fear....

[joedjemal]

I really don't understand why there's such hysteria about a very ordinary and unspectacular comet that's not only coming nowhere near us but that is breaking up into fragments that would probably burn up even if they did hit. I've searched for weeks to find any hard information that this is anything but what the astronomers are saying it is (and most have nothing to do with NASA).

All I can find is an assortment of optical artifacts (which always occur in the same way because that's the science of optics for you)


There's a remote possibility that the photo that started this thread is of a prominence but it's more likely to be a lens artifact.

If i've noticed anything about the world, despite the stranger aspects of it, that it ALWAYS obeys its own rules. Things don't tend to fall upwards very often. All the more curious and interesting stuff that got me onto a spiritual path tends to have to do with consciousness but even in the midst of the maddest synchronicity flow i've never seen it break the laws of physics. Even things i've seen like teleportatiom, healings and psychokinesis have rational explanations if you understand enough about information and quantum mechanics.

I know there's at least one more level to the universe that conventional physics doesn't explain but it observably follows rules just like the rest of reality. We simply don't get the whole picture yet but my point is that the world is a crazy enough place with the reality that exists. Why fill it with fear conjured out of nothing but imagination. I've seen how synchronicity reacts instantly to thoughts every day for more than 2 decades now. Filling reality with fearful things isn't smart.

[GlassSteagallfan]

"rumored new capital of the U.S. in the event of a major collapse."

I believe you mean capital of the New World Government?!

[nearing]

I really don't understand why there's such hysteria about a very ordinary and unspectacular comet that's not only coming nowhere near us but that is breaking up into fragments that would probably burn up even if they did hit. I've searched for weeks to find any hard information that this is anything but what the astronomers are saying it is (and most have nothing to do with NASA).



It's not the comet that most (people who have looked deep in tot he matter) are concerned with. It is what the comet is/was most likely orbiting that is of note. Notice that I say note and not concern as I for one (and I have to keep reminding people!) am not at all afraid! I welcome another Star be it a Brown Dwarf or a Neutron Star as we surely live in a binary system and it's made it's 3600 year orbit and it returning.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=302120&viewfull=1#post302120

And, yep, things are continuing to shake, rattle and roll in a big way here on planet Earth as we get closer and closer to the next alignment date: Sept 26, 2011.

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But all of this is a good thing!

Happy 6th Day! We made it through the 5th night! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29716-Happy-6th-Day--We-made-it-through-the-5th-night-&p=301456#post301456)

[slipknotted]

me too a special woonka one

[joedjemal]

I know there's a lot of earthquake activity but it might be useful to remember that Dutchsinse's youtube site was taken down because of a video he made explaining haarp in detail.

There is no evidence of a brown dwarf entering the solar system. It would perturb the orbits of the planets. It seems more likely to me that these earth changes are more to do with an elite trying to disrupt something happening on a consciousness level through fear than some sort of magical event that defies the laws of physics. Where did you get the information that such a thing was to happen? Where did they get their information from? From experience i've learned that the spectactular physics defying dooms don't happen but they're usually obscuring a very real problem that certain people would rather the truth seekers didn't notice. Have you noticed the markets recently? The peak oil collapse is well underway and is a lot more dangerous than an imaginary threat from space.

[Ecnal61]

hey there viking i like to think[or hope] that its not so much scare mongering more a case that obama and his cronies know more about whats happening than we do, and just maybe its one small step in a series of events that have to unfold as we head hopefully towards disclosure.on the other side of the coin he might just be visiting friends for coffee and doughnuts!... Hmmm now which one is it?

[Cidersomerset]

Lets hope he doesn't come out......

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Scary Stuff.....A very wierd mural to be commisioned in a airport for no reason...Cheers Steve


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They have been preparing for something big for a few years. There were 500,000 coffins stored in the field five years ago in Madison Georgia each could fit several bodies.....
Something comes to mind to what they are talking about....Looking Glass and alternate time lines, afew years ago Bill/Kerry were talking about civil war and destuction in the US back then...Jon Titor a time travaler came back to get a old computor and there is much more to the story...But the time line was supposedly altered.....So now they may be preparing for something else to keep us scared and controlled , just a thought...pleasant dreams I'm off to bed work tommorrow...Cheers Steve..

[nearing]

I know there's a lot of earthquake activity but it might be useful to remember that Dutchsinse's youtube site was taken down because of a video he made explaining haarp in detail.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

There is no evidence of a brown dwarf entering the solar system. It would perturb the orbits of the planets. It seems more likely to me that these earth changes are more to do with an elite trying to disrupt something happening on a consciousness level through fear than some sort of magical event that defies the laws of physics. Where did you get the information that such a thing was to happen? Where did they get their information from? From experience i've learned that the spectactular physics defying dooms don't happen but they're usually obscuring a very real problem that certain people would rather the truth seekers didn't notice. Have you noticed the markets recently? The peak oil collapse is well underway and is a lot more dangerous than an imaginary threat from space.

I don't pay attention to 3D machinations due to it mostly being propaganda from TPTW. But there is evidence for a second star which would be obvious if you watched the neutron star video.

Again, I reiterate, there is nothing to fear in any of this.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Viking,

Thanks for being open about this too :biggrin:. I appreciate your reply.

Using filters should work, but in this case I have no practical experience at all. My camera user manual clearly states "dot not photograph the Sun directly. You may burn the sensor or damage your eyes".

What I did use as a child to look at the sun, was what we call here a "welding mask". But you need one that is new! Used ones have bits of metal embedded in them that may look as comets or other artifacts. Taking photos through that should work.. in theory... But take care of your eyes though, and your equipment.

Myself I would invest in night vision goggles , as it seems you can see more interesting stuff :)

Duuuuurgh thats what I meant...night vision goggles...thats what I have...thought they were the same thing...having a brain dead day!! ...

Thanks for your advice anyway Ilie...

viking

[joedjemal]

This elenin thing is beginning to grate now. It's a small disintegrating mass of rock and ice. It took just one cme from the sun to knock it to bits probably because it boiled off some of the more volatile materials that were holding it together. If Elenin does anything but vanish into obscurity I'll be astonished. I don't expect to be, at least about that.

If you want to see direct fearmongering at work, analyse the adverts on television. Ignore the content, look for dominating images especially in red. There's one on here in the uk that I saw at a friends that was blaring the word PANIC in huge red letters every 10-15 minutes or so at peak viewing time.

It's a distraction and a lie. I'm certain of it.

P.S. They are expecting something big and perfectly natural. Overshoot and dieoff. Losing 90% or so of the population seems pretty big to me. Happens to populations of other things all the time. There's no reason why we should be exempt. But you have it hidden by a new Earth from the GFL and end of the world from the 2012 disaster bunch all keeping your mind off doing something sensible like growing food

[Pete]

according to ben fulford, denver and washington bases have been decommissioned by nuclear explosions, see his post dated yesterday

http://reddragonleo.com/2011/09/05/ben-fulford-on-the-secret-meeting-of-57-finance-ministers-and-what-it-means-for-the-stock-market/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RedDragonLeo+%28Red+Dragon+Leo%29

I would really like to believe this, but you have think, well there goes the proof again? it would really help to see some tangible evidence that the powers that be couldn't explain away. A bit like the heart logo on the moon in Hancock.

[joedjemal]

Its relevance is that you need to see what's attacked to get some idea of what's real. Dutch puts out stuff that has data to back it up. It threatens to expose the game so it's shut down. You don't see that happening with any of the elenin stuff.

There is a companion brown dwarf way out beyond the oort cloud that may periodically perturb comets. It won't be joining us in the inner system unless we have a close encounter with another star.

I fear nothing. I faced the high probability of death at the end of the 80s and woke up.

I'm just working as hard as I can so I don't have to come back to this hell hole.

[nearing]

Its relevance is that you need to see what's attacked to get some idea of what's real. Dutch puts out stuff that has data to back it up. It threatens to expose the game so it's shut down. You don't see that happening with any of the elenin stuff.

There is a companion brown dwarf way out beyond the oort cloud that may periodically perturb comets. It won't be joining us in the inner system unless we have a close encounter with another star.

I fear nothing. I faced the high probability of death at the end of the 80s and woke up.

I'm just working as hard as I can so I don't have to come back to this hell hole.

I can understand that.

[dreamer]

I would like to see a series of pictures taken right after another, in which the same phenomena appears in the exact same spot in every pic. I have done this with my phone, but am not yet able to duplicate any anomoly even more than once, and I haven't seen any on the net that show this... In science, (keep in mind I am far from a scientist) I believe that to have your work accepted, it must be possible for anyone else that wants to, to be able to duplicate your work anytime, with the same results. I do not see this with the pics of the sun.

[DeDukshyn]

Hmm .. I find it interesting that it is a well formed upside down winged disk ... Sumerian mythology anyone? BTW the Toyota symbol is a bull. (Not bullxxxxx but literally a bull) - I have seen the Chrysler symbol questioned though .. Might as well through Bentley in there too ...

If anyone can get more pics, that's be cool.

[DeDukshyn]

Thanks Ilei with your expertise information with regard to cell phones...very usefull...

I was wondering I have a some infrared binoculars which I use for night viewing various anomolies in the skies...yopu know the ones...

If I put a filter on them and looked towards the sun ... would this work?? just a thought...

viking

I had a telescope that had both a sun filter and light "restrictor" which consisted of a very reduced opening for light to enter (aka a shield with a small hole to restrict the level of light from entering the telescope and potentially damaging the mirrors or lenses). A welding mask might be best (a must for eyeball viewing) but for pictures, to place a "restrictor" over the lens may help a fair bit. Just use an opaque material and punch a small hole in it and place over the lens when shooting - it will have the same effect as a further reduced iris size.

Edit: I think I still have that telescope .... I should dig that baby out =)

[loveandgratitude]

It seems confusion is the name of the game. Make the useless eaters exhausted by confusion. Just remain calm and focused. Time will tell. Keep your positive energy up and expect the best.

[Snowbird]

[QUOTE=OnyxKnight;300535]Um, also, I find it interesting that Elenin "fragmented".


Also, in conjecture to this, anyone hearing the "noise" in western Europe yet?

Elenin may or may not have fragmented and/or it may or may not have been diverted by force. Have you heard anything about that?

What "noise" do you refer to?


I know a thing or two about astronomy. From the reports I read recently, it seems that it has "fragmented" into few big pieces and several small ones. The sudden change of trajectory happened after the "disattach".

I'm not doubting your knowledge. I'm just attempting to understand what this Elenin thing is. We just read today that Elenin is a Galactic Federation mothership. So, how can it have been fragmented and still be a mothership? And then elsewhere, we read that Elenin is being protected and has been seen to be brighter than before. This is why I wrote above that it may or may not have fragmented.

Thanks for your explanation.

[The One]

Earthquake Delhi, NCR - Richter scale 6.6 possible elenin effect

Delhi is among thirty important cities in the country that fall into high risk seismic zone while Srinagar is among places at very high risk of earthquakes, the government today said. Minister of State for Home Affairs Mullappally Ramachandran said this in written reply to a question in
the Rajya Sabha.

While Delhi, Amritsar and Chandigarh fall under zone IV (high risk), Srinagar comes under zone V (very high risk), he said. As per seismic map of India prepared by Bureau of Indian Standards 58.6 per cent areas of the country fall into earthquake zone V (very high risk), IV (high risk) and III (moderate risk)," the Minister said.

Towns like Almora, Ambala, Bahraich, Barauni, Bhuj, Bulandshahar, Darbhanga, Darjeeling, Dehradun, Gangtok, Guwahati, Gorakhpur, Imphal, Jorhat, Kohima, Ludhiyana, Mandi, Monghyr, Moradabad, Nainital, Patna, Pilibhit, Roorkee, Sadiya, Shimla and Tezpur fall under seismic zone IV and V.

"Government has also sent advisories to state governments and Union Territory Administrations from time to time to take up various disaster mitigation and preparedness measures by way of adoption of modern building bye-laws to ensure seismic resistant construction," the Minister said

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[TargeT]

so no sunday events,, anyone have any follow up on this? wasn't this guy supose to make an announcement or something?