Comet Elenin, C/2010 X1

[Lazlo]

so no sunday events,, anyone have any follow up on this? wasn't this guy supose to make an announcement or something?

He posted on Sunday that Earth's membership in whatever alliance had been annulled. Updated today with a short post but nothing revealing. You can follow the action over at the CHANI forum.

[fopa]

I downloaded an app called pUniverse and interestingly it has comet Elenin, now the app usually guides you from a directional perspective to the location of search results. Interestingly Comet Elenin is below the horizon from a northern hemisphere perspective, so i wanted to ask if any users in the south hemisphere could get the app and check if the comet is theoretically visible via the application.

I don’t have any opinion on Elenin, although some of the theories are interesting if not a little OTT.

Picture attached anyone able to check?

[SkepticSoul]

I know there's a lot of earthquake activity but it might be useful to remember that Dutchsinse's youtube site was taken down because of a video he made explaining haarp in detail.

There is no evidence of a brown dwarf entering the solar system. It would perturb the orbits of the planets. It seems more likely to me that these earth changes are more to do with an elite trying to disrupt something happening on a consciousness level through fear than some sort of magical event that defies the laws of physics. Where did you get the information that such a thing was to happen? Where did they get their information from? From experience i've learned that the spectactular physics defying dooms don't happen but they're usually obscuring a very real problem that certain people would rather the truth seekers didn't notice. Have you noticed the markets recently? The peak oil collapse is well underway and is a lot more dangerous than an imaginary threat from space.

What about the other celestial bodies in our solar system? are they controlled by haarp aswell? i don't think so...
Also, what are the laws of physics? I don't think there is any mathematical formula which includes 'gravity' as/or electromagnetism?

[Cjay]

Mods, can we please merge this thread with this other thread on the same topic?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29614-Pics-of-Nibiru-Elenin-Elvis-next-to-the-Sun-

[Cjay]

According to the JPL orbit diagram, Elenin is NOT near enough to the sun to produce those types of pictures. A more detailed explanation can be found in this post, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29614-Pics-of-Nibiru-Elenin-Elvis-next-to-the-Sun-&p=303709&viewfull=1#post303709)

[joedjemal]

What about the other celestial bodies in our solar system? are they controlled by haarp aswell? i don't think so...
Also, what are the laws of physics? I don't think there is any mathematical formula which includes 'gravity' as/or electromagnetism?

I don't get your meaning. The way gravity works under normal conditions (ie at non relativistic speeds and in planetary gravitational fields) has been well understood since Newton.

The fact that gravity and the nuclear/electromagnetic forces haven't been united doesn't mean that we can't predict how masses will behave in normal spacetime. I know there's more to learn but a brown dwarf or a neutron star coming into the solar system would have predictable effects. One on a regular orbit coming within the solar system would have left observable effects on the planetary orbits. If you're talking about the apparent warming going on on the other planets then I don't know what's causing it. Perhaps the sun or that band of interstellar plasma we're moving into. Show me hard evidence that we're encountering such an object and I'll believe you. (and hard evidence doesn't mean somme name on the net shrieking about the end of the world based on some lens flares)

[joedjemal]

I know there's a lot of earthquake activity but it might be useful to remember that Dutchsinse's youtube site was taken down because of a video he made explaining haarp in detail.

There is no evidence of a brown dwarf entering the solar system. It would perturb the orbits of the planets. It seems more likely to me that these earth changes are more to do with an elite trying to disrupt something happening on a consciousness level through fear than some sort of magical event that defies the laws of physics. Where did you get the information that such a thing was to happen? Where did they get their information from? From experience i've learned that the spectactular physics defying dooms don't happen but they're usually obscuring a very real problem that certain people would rather the truth seekers didn't notice. Have you noticed the markets recently? The peak oil collapse is well underway and is a lot more dangerous than an imaginary threat from space.

What about the other celestial bodies in our solar system? are they controlled by haarp aswell? i don't think so...
Also, what are the laws of physics? I don't think there is any mathematical formula which includes 'gravity' as/or electromagnetism?

I just manged to lose a long reply to this. Oh well.

Ok, I don't understand what you mean. Physics isn't set in stone, it's an evolving process. Things are observed and then a mathematical model is created that matches the observation. What happens next is that people try to falsify the maths by finding situations in which the maths doesn't work. Then a new theory is tried and again falsified etc. now in the 17th century Newton came up with a set of mathematical rules that are still used today for pretty much all orbital mechanics and they still work. Later Einstein worked out that those rules break down in extreme
conditions like at speeds close to the speed of light and in extremely intense gravitational fields but they wouldn't apply here because relativistic mathematics would only apply very close to an object with a high gravitational field.

A highly massive object entering the solar system would have well understood and predictable effects. The fact that gravitation and the nuclear/electromagnetic forces haven't been unified yet would have no effect on that. Physics may not be complete but it works under the sort of conditions we're talking about here or we wouldn't be discussing this on computers over the net.

If you're talking about the apparent warming on other planets in the system then a cold body like a brown dwarf or neutron star would have to be close enough to destroy the said planets with tidal forces before it could cause any warming. That's probably either caused by increased activity from the sun or a more remote possibility might be the band of interstellar plasma that the solar system is moving into (there's evidence for that)

[joedjemal]

Oops sorry accidentally posted twice

[SkepticSoul]

I've been thinking about something but i think is too rediculous to share xP but whatever i'll do it
Is there any object or body in space which represents 'something' (a planet?) in our dimensional reality, while in another dimensional reality (5D?) this body represents something different entirely? which would in turn also have different 'physics' effects...

[psci]

It does look like we are headed for multiple possible disaster scenarios within a window of the next year, out to couple of years. The one I'm having the hardest time pinning down is the damage/destruction supposed to be caused by the Niburu/Elenin scenario. According to the recent reports attributed to be from NASA sources, much of that information provided WAS able to be verified. The infrared image visible on Google Sky in the vicinity of the orbit of planet Mercury is independently verifiable by viewing stereoscopic satellite imagery and orbital parameters from the US Navy NRL. The current location appears to match the object known as C/2010 X1, but the date of September 26th does not seem to match up with any significance in the orbital parameters of C/2010 X1, aka Elenin.

http://secchi.nrl.navy.mil/STEREOorbit/C2010_X1.html

If one rewinds or fast-forwards orbital location of C/2010 X1, near alignment with the orbit of Mercury occurs from about 09/04/2011 to 09/10/2011, at which point it passes the nearest point (.482 AU distance) to the sun on about 09/11/2011. It then begins its outward trajectory towards earth’s orbit, and crosses earth’s orbit on about 10/19/2011. The orbital path of C/2010 X1 brings it just above the orbital plane of our solar system, so even though it crosses earth’s orbit at .234 AU distance from earth, it will do so just above it.

Now here is what I consider might be the most important part... The earth passes through the region of space occupied by C/2010 X1s debris field on 11/01/2011 to 11/03/2011. At that time, any slower moving debris and gases that were trailing behind will impact the earth. At the very least, there will be dust and small particles that were ejected while the object was close to the sun. More than likely, there will be a lot more debris than that. There may very well be debris out ahead of it and all around it that could change or extend these periods of dates by days or more. Not enough unclassified data exists to be sure, and we don't know how much of what IS available is real or is disinformation.

In the past, near-miss events with comets were reported just prior to major disease outbreaks. This is why they were feared and viewed as harbingers of evil in ancient times. The plague in Europe, and the Spanish influenza were both reportedly preceded by such events. Interestingly enough, that topic was covered on a new episode of UFO files on History channel last night.

There was a near miss of the Stereo B satellite around 07/30/2011, so I would imagine that the Navy has a lot of really nice close images of C/2010 X1 and its debris field from around that time frame. While I don't have clearance with the Navy to get those images, you MIGHT be able to find someone within your circles that might share. The debris field would have grown much larger since that date, as closer proximity to the sun would cause. I have some other questions and concerns.

If the object is just a comet as claimed, then why does it appear on infrared to have a solid spherical core and a clearly visible ionized outer "atmosphere" that is clearly planet-like? It certainly looks more like a large planet to me. The images from Stereo B would certainly provide a lot more detail. One other missing detail is mass. Compare the curvature and increase/decrease in speed in orbital trajectory at the distance from the sun to that of other known comets. This thing appears to be dense, much denser than a ball of ice and rock like most comets.

By examining the orbital data, the only thing I see happening around 09/26/2011 is the beginning of a nearly 3 day alignment of Mercury, Sun, C/2010 X1, Earth, and Uranus. This alignment is even more pronounced on 09/27/2011. C/2010 X1 will pass between the earth and the sun on that date at about .38 AU from earth, while Uranus will be in alignment beyond earth and mercury will be in alignment beyond the sun. I wonder if we'll see a global 2-3 day solar eclipse centered on 09/27/2011 due to C/2010 X1 blocking out the sun. It all depends upon the actual size of C/2010 X1, and how close it is to the ecliptic plane at that time. I have no way to measure that parameter in the simulation. A global eclipse, now THAT would be hard for the PTB to hide!
There will be another alignment on 11/22/2011 where we will be caught between the gravity of the sun and the gravity of C/2010 X1. At that time, C/2010 X will be just beyond the orbit of mars and will be .581 AU from earth.
Speaking of gravity... I do not know how significant the gravity OR the magnetic field of C/2010 X1 are going to affect the earth during these two alignments with, or the flyby of, the earth. I just don't have enough raw data on it. There seems to be a whole lot of speculation and guesses online, but nothing concrete seems to be coming forth from NASA or other confirmable sources. The one claim seen so far that it is 1.6 times the size of jupiter seems to match what we see on the infrared image in the vicinity of Mercury orbit. From that distance it still appears quite large!

The very fact that NASA and Google are working together to remove C/2010 X1 from the visible spectrum images on Google Sky seems to confirm that they are trying to keep most of the public in the dark.

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SUMMARY:

This is what the data/intel are delineating - a splitting of collective timelines for humanity within the next six months. A relatively small group of people will collectively 'ascend' between November 2011 and February 2012, while the rest of us clean up the mess of our own making through 2014 before humanity begins with a clean slate in 2015 when the arrival of Superconsciousness manifests in all of its glory. With that said, buckle up...it's going to be a bumpy ride. Also, the object discussed above is the Red Star Kachina.

[Daft Ada]

No because it's gone. http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/09/05/the-breakup-of-comet-elenin/

[The Truth Is In There]

Now here is what I consider might be the most important part... The earth passes through the region of space occupied by C/2010 X1s debris field on 11/01/2011 to 11/03/2011. At that time, any slower moving debris and gases that were trailing behind will impact the earth.

what we came up with in another thread is that the days between october 28th and november 8th will be the "10th" wave of the mayan calendar (it does't stop after the 9th wave like calleman says) during which each "day" and each "night" will be only 21 hours and 36 minutes long. what that means is that a large amount if singular events will be squeezed into this short time period and it will increase again during november 8th when the "11th" wave starts. the very next day will be the day this speeding up (or the "expansion of awareness") will reach infinity, which is the moment of ascension. this so called comet (the blue kachina) will most likely facilitate all of this and a lot of (unaware) people may not be able to get through the final period of 12 days with their minds intact.

[Andre]

Just yesterday, I was told by a friend who works for a wealthy couple that this couple had purchased radiation suits and tens of thousands of dollars in food stuff to stock up in anticipation for the 24 September Elenin event. Until then, I had no idea just how much of an effect this whole phenomenon is having on people.

[greybeard]

Just yesterday, I was told by a friend who works for a wealthy couple that this couple had purchased radiation suits and tens of thousands of dollars in food stuff to stock up in anticipation for the 24 September Elenin event. Until then, I had no idea just how much of an effect this whole phenomenon is having on people.

As far back as I can remember people with more money than sense have been building personal survival units underground in their back gardens.
Law of average at some point in time they might actually become useful.

In my teens it was the very real fear of atomic warfare.

Elenin is now definitely disintegrating so that will shift the focus to next predicted event.

Now having said all that.
David Sereda Astrophysicists has said that he will be flabbergasted is nothing happens --- relating to the massive band of electromagnetic energy coming in from the core of the galaxy and that is affecting us already possibly peaking Dec 2012
It seems the energy has the potential to raise the frequency that matter vibrates at (my words) so it could change the earth and every living being on it.
Everything would become less dense lighter with a higher faster vibration.

So there you go.

Chris

[Arrowwind]

Yep, my family built one of them fallout shelters in the garden.
It was filled with spiders.... I think I would rather have died.

[Maia Gabrial]

My brother has a Ham radio and he listened to 1420.39447Mhz (or 1300Mhz) as that Naval "space" pilot recommended. I thought it was supposed to be a signal or message coming from Elenin. As it turned out, it was some guy talking doom and gloom. And the message was that Earth is going to be struck by a meteorite....

Sorry, everyone. It's not the hopeful message the pilot implied....
Another disappointment, I'd say....

[Cjay]

More fearmongering or disinfo?

[the trojan]

My brother has a Ham radio and he listened to 1420.39447Mhz (or 1300Mhz) as that Naval "space" pilot recommended. I thought it was supposed to be a signal or message coming from Elenin. As it turned out, it was some guy talking doom and gloom. And the message was that Earth is going to be struck by a meteorite....

Sorry, everyone. It's not the hopeful message the pilot implied....
Another disappointment, I'd say....
not heard that one but i did have a listen to the distorted garbled one.
If anyone has a link or recording of this I would like to hear it.

[RMorgan]

LoL! Of course! Did you actually believe the story of that pilot being to Elenin and this kind of stuff?

[TargeT]

LoL! Of course! Did you actually believe the story of that pilot being to Elenin and this kind of stuff?

I would neither discount, nor credit anything I hear anywhere untill evidience or strong corroboration either way is presented; do you have a better method?

[Vitalux]

I thought it was supposed to be a signal or message coming from Elenin. As it turned out, it was some guy talking doom and gloom. And the message was that Earth is going to be struck by a meteorite....
.


http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af356/stuarburstphotography/aparanoid.jpg

Sometimes I wonder how people cope with all the bad news of ways that the world is going to end.
Myself, I knew the end was near when they stopped playing my favorite re-runs of 'I love Lucy' on my television.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvk5lNiRaoNBrMYQ6PELYgQWlnSzWb3baGV0eIVv35UdEDXHMfBQ

[Darla Ken Pearce]

No worry, Gary! I love Lucy re-runs are out there in space floating around for all time and available for replaying at any time ~ in time or out of it ; ) xoxoxox

[Maia Gabrial]

RM,
I hate to say it, but I was HOPING he was telling the truth about it. Foolish me....

[the trojan]

seems there are two of the posters,one being bluecoat 2 at the chani project,he has everyone on tenderhooks over there,he just did the ol trick that charles/atticus did where he threw a huff in order to be invited back and carry on telling them nothing but cryptic sentences.
now he has promised to post info on a friday??????
i reckon everyone has their own bull**** detector but they are all calibrated differently according to lots of factors,including experience,age,location,gender,oh,I think I will stop there the mental list i was creating there seemed endless!!!
anyway,So if we accept that as a given,What are we going to do when we realise its all bull****! from all our points of view,experience,age,location,gender,.........................................

and Maia,
I always hope they are telling the truth as well,the majority of them dont.
because no one knows.

[TargeT]

and Maia,
I always hope they are telling the truth as well,the majority of them dont.
because no one knows.

"Charles" said 70/30 disinfo/info (or just false/true).. I personaly think 80/20... I cast my net wide in hopes of gathering the 20, but usualy end up with far more of the 80 than I wanted... what else can we humble information seekers do but keep up hope and keep our nets repaired & ready for the 20?

this was an intersting bit, so much of it lines up with what I have as a "personally held belief" which of course has been shapped from information gathered off the net, so its about as "personal" as my avitar here is..

[RMorgan]

LoL! Of course! Did you actually believe the story of that pilot being to Elenin and this kind of stuff?

I would neither discount, nor credit anything I hear anywhere untill evidience or strong corroboration either way is presented; do you have a better method?

Well. Me neither. A guy telling he´s part of a secret army mission that flew to Elenin, on a secret spacecraft, to do "who knows what" is a very good evidence that a)he´s creazy b)he´s joking. Conspiracy theories have a limit for me, and this is it.


RM,
I hate to say it, but I was HOPING he was telling the truth about it. Foolish me....

Yeah. It would be nice if it was true, I agree, but it isn´t, unfortunately, like 99% of all disinformation around.

You know, some people like to pretend they are Zetas, some like to pretend they are reincarnated masters, some like to pretend they are channelers, some other like to pretend they are pilots who flew to Jupiter, some others like to pretend they are retired super soldiers... I´m ok with that, because the world is a hard place, and some people need to escape it for a while.

The problem is that other people need to believe something, for the same reasons, and will believe these other guys...

Discernment is the key guys, specially in a place like PA and other forums like this.

[Jennsky]

Guess who else will be in Denver? NASA conference! Sept 21-17

[Eric J (Viking)]

Strange speech???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rET-PuhMCx8&feature=player_embedded

Oh who else Jennsky?? please tell... edit ... yes I see now...cheers Jenssky

viking

[THIRDEYE]

if im not mistaken there is rehortic that the bunker in virginias and colorado were nuked.....theres a couple of threads floating around saying the anomalies was eartquakes....i felt them in the carolinas....this could be pure speculation...i believe by some of the siesmic graphs that they say it has the same signature a a nuclear explosin and not earthquakes....im sure all of you had heard about this....i tend to believe the data that has been created are from a detonation of nuclear devices....just some food for thought....love light and abundance....thirdeye....

[Maia Gabrial]

Now guess where Obama will be on next major ELEnin alignment on Sept.27, 2011?

...do we believe in coincidence? Denver...hmmmm whats at Denver ???


Denver, home of the world famous Denver International Airport, deep underground bunkers, rumored new capital of the U.S. in the event of a major collapse. Source

Coincidence? who knows?

You mean Obama (and the rest of them) are going underground to save their worthess hides and leave us all to fend for ourselves? Those same underground bases that were "bought-and-paid-for-by-us" that we're not privy to know about; or have access to enter and save our own hides? It doesn't surprise me....
By doing this, it tells me that they're abandoning their rights to this world....Maybe what will happen is that WE, who stay on the surface will claim all of this world and make it better place because the world wouldn't have ended as they thought. When they come out of hiding, there'll be many guns waiting to arrest and convict all of them....Why? Because 1) they won't be welcomed back and 2) They'll be considered illegal aliens.... :becky:
At least that's what I'm hoping will happen....

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thought I would post this here as well ... !! check the dates and whos where>>>>

http://www.sonoma.edu/users/v/vegalu/188.pdf

Some more news here...
September 14, 2011

Obama Ordered To Denver Bunker By US Military

To if the date of 27 September when Obama will be in Denver will be the date this “spark” is set off it is not in our knowing. What is in our knowing, though, is that since the CIA transferred their headquarters to Denver in 2005 under the mysterious airport [second photo left] with bizarre murals depicting [3rd and 4th photos left]picturing mass global death, particularly between Israelis and Palestinians, the questions as to who, or what, actually controls the United States today remains in question.

And when this information is coupled with the fact that 27 September is one of the most significant dates in American history because on that date, in 1777, after British troops captured Philadelphia, Lancaster, Pennsylvania became the United States capitol for that single day, the first time such a thing occurred in all of that nations history, and it is, also, the date that Comet Elenin enters into its feared alignment with the Earth, Sun and Moon with many believing these conjunctions areresponsible for catastrophic earthquakes and tsunamis, and nearly all of NASA’s top officials and scientists will be in Denver on that date too, one can be justifiably perplexed as to the many meanings these events have.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1520.htm

viking

[the trojan]

I remembered an article in regard to the queen buying up land in denver a couple of years ago,so i did a wee bit of looking and found lots on that,but it seemed to be comig from the same sources and going around and around,( you know ,the usual)
But on my journey I found someone willing to go all the way and actually assess the info ,and it is a great read.
By the way,i really like the story of all the important people going there to go underground.

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/nwo/denver-international-airport/

[Eric J (Viking)]

I remembered an article in regard to the queen buying up land in denver a couple of years ago,so i did a wee bit of looking and found lots on that,but it seemed to be comig from the same sources and going around and around,( you know ,the usual)
But on my journey I found someone willing to go all the way and actually assess the info ,and it is a great read.
By the way,i really like the story of all the important people going there to go underground.

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/nwo/denver-international-airport/

And in conclusion he says.... "Conclusion in three phrases: Out of order, out of context, and full of ****." yep thats about right!

viking

[Trail]

Huh, i thought:

1) Elenin has disintegrated and no longer poses any threat.
2) That Elenin was closest to the earth on 11-12 september? According to nasa graphs.

Whats up with 27 september? where does this date come from? Elenin, if still in one piece, should be on the way out from Earth by then.

Anyone got any links to support that date?

[Kamikaze]

Huh, i thought:

1) Elenin has disintegrated and no longer poses any threat.
2) That Elenin was closest to the earth on 11-12 september? According to nasa graphs.

Whats up with 27 september? where does this date come from? Elenin, if still in one piece, should be on the way out from Earth by then.

Anyone got any links to support that date?

10-12 sep was perihelion, elenin closest to the sun.
27 sep is to be elenin between the sun and earth. And maybe a quake like the other sun, earth elenin alignments. Though who knows? super coincidence?

[SkepticSoul]

Huh, i thought:

1) Elenin has disintegrated and no longer poses any threat.
2) That Elenin was closest to the earth on 11-12 september? According to nasa graphs.

Whats up with 27 september? where does this date come from? Elenin, if still in one piece, should be on the way out from Earth by then.

Anyone got any links to support that date?

Posted by Applejax in Elinin thread in News/Updates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJMbjtk5GFc

Also check out the interview of Alfred Webre with the person that's talking on the video presentation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0XxgkVMFcg

[mountain_jim]

Well since that Obama Ordered to Bunker article is by Sorcha Fall, I lost interest quickly. Huge disinfo channel imho.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting info ... so many theories going around at the moment... he's saying that is is a ship ect etc ... *shrugs*


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL3nrgOXZZU&feature=player_embedded

viking

[TigaHawk]

I love the hellicopter @ 2:55

They continue to insult the ancient egyptians by calling them primitive and used stone tools to build the pyramids, sigh.


Guhhhhhhhhhhhh at "Coincidences"


A bit skeptic about his views that there are no ET's, and its God/Devil + angels on/in/piloting elenin/nibiru.

[Licka]

Nice.. gonna watch this later looks good! thanks

[Elixer]

His main point doesn't seem to work: Spoiler: Apart from him claiming Elenin to be the second coming, he says it is going to be the capstone for the great pyramid. (Or did I get that wrong?) He shows Elenin to be in the shape of a tetrahedron (3 sides, 4 if you count the 'bottom'). But the great pyramid is not a tetrahydron. It's got 4 sides, 5 if you count the bottom, 9 if you take into consideration that the 4 sides are actually split in 2. Shame.
Apart from that, and the overly christian message, he does present some nice finds.

[The One]

Thought i would throw this one in

Why Is September 27, 2011 On Swiss Bank Notes

EAxFmEtFc2s

[Dick]

Only 10 days, and we will know.....
I always wondered why elenin wasn't on the "near earth astroids" list on spaceweather.com
They mentioned all kinds of asteroids, big and small, but no elenin.
Verry strange....

Dick.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thought i would throw this one in

Why Is September 27, 2011 On Swiss Bank Notes

EAxFmEtFc2s

Cheers One ...

That 27th date keeps popping up!!

viking

[aranuk]

A tetrahedron would not fit on top of the great pyramid because it has 3 sides to its base and the top of the pyramid has 4 sides. No?

Stan

[Aryslan]

@Stan: Yes.

[Mandala]

Obama Ordered To Denver Bunker By US Military

Posted by EU Times on Sep 14th, 2011 // 82 Comments
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A disturbing report prepared by General Alexey Maslov, the Senior Military Representative of the Permanent Mission of Russia to NATO, states that he has been notified by the Americans of their plan to hold a DEFCON 1 “Cocked Pistol” maximum readiness alert drill on 27 September which will be overseen by President Obama at one the United States most secure bunkers located beneath the Denver International Airport.

Under the SALT I Strategic Nuclear Arms Control Agreement signed between Russia and the US, both parties are required to notify the other in all cases of such maximum readiness drills occurring, but are not required to state their reasons for doing so.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting discussion going on here ... if you want to skip some go to 36 minutes to listen to Kerry with some of her feedback ...

From a reliable source whistleblower!!

"get out of California by the end of the month"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3D874H266o&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3D874H266o&feature=player_embedded

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viking

[Bill Ryan]

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Yes, Kerry is at her best here (start soon after 36:00). She is clear and also measured. It's good listening.

I'm also concerned about California the end of September, but this is nothing to do with Elenin (a huge distracting sideshow).

(Caveat: the story abut Obama going underground at the end of September was sourced by Sorcha Faal, and can be totally disregarded.)

[Calz]

I'm also concerned about California the end of September, but this is nothing to do with Elenin (a huge distracting sideshow).



Can you elaborate?

[Eric J (Viking)]

I'm also concerned about California the end of September, but this is nothing to do with Elenin (a huge distracting sideshow).



Can you elaborate?

Ditto ...

viking

[<8>]

Hi Viking

It's funny Richard C Hogland brings up Clyde Tombaugh as common sense in this interview.
And Tombaugh was extremly good and accurate in his search.

But Tombaugh job was to find planet X = nibiru, after he found pluto he continued looking for planet X beyond pluto.


Even though people are more or less are put in the wacky box for speaking about Nibiru..


P.s mabye of topic, but it was funny to me..:)

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Viking

It's funny Richard C Hogland brings up Clyde Tombaugh as common sense in this interview.
And Tombaugh was extremly good and accurate in his search.

But Tombaugh job was to find planet X = nibiru, after he found pluto he continued looking for planet X beyond pluto.


Even though people are more or less are put in the wacky box for speaking about Nibiru..


P.s mabye of topic, but it was funny to me..:)

Yes lol ...I picked that up at the end as well!!

I was watching big brother last night on TV ...well hey its a bit of fun!! anyway the dark lady (forgoten her name) started talking about Nibiru and Annunaki ....she didn't go into detail, but enough to get people thinking...drip drip drip !! ... Hmmm I wonder ...

viking

[Bill Ryan]

I'm also concerned about California at the end of September, but this is nothing to do with Elenin (a huge distracting sideshow).



Can you elaborate?

Intuitive only (no data at all), but very, very strong.

I wrote to Kerry this morning:




I do have to say that Elenin is just a simple (very small!) comet, and nothing else. I'm convinced of that, and will tell the conference that on 25 Sept.

My deep suspicion is that is all an orchestrated sideshow, like the magician on stage, to distract our collective attention while something completely different is being quietly planned where we are not looking.

That's what the October event might be.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I'm also concerned about California at the end of September, but this is nothing to do with Elenin (a huge distracting sideshow).



Can you elaborate?

Intuitive only (no data at all), but very, very strong.

I wrote to Kerry this morning:




I do have to say that Elenin is just a simple (very small!) comet, and nothing else. I'm convinced of that, and will tell the conference that on 25 Sept.

My deep suspicion is that is all an orchestrated sideshow, like the magician on stage, to distract our collective attention while something completely different is being quietly planned where we are not looking.

That's what the October event might be.


This is entirely in line with my suspicions on the issue. My spider sense is tingling. I've always found myself distinctly apathetic when it comes to Elenin, which I take to be my intuition nudging me in the right direction — it's as you say, when you're doing what you're here to do, the energy is unending. I don't think I came here to contemplate comets.

[Aquai]

I guess we'll just have to wait n see :P

[Eric J (Viking)]

I'm also concerned about California at the end of September, but this is nothing to do with Elenin (a huge distracting sideshow).



Can you elaborate?

Intuitive only (no data at all), but very, very strong.

I wrote to Kerry this morning:




I do have to say that Elenin is just a simple (very small!) comet, and nothing else. I'm convinced of that, and will tell the conference that on 25 Sept.

My deep suspicion is that is all an orchestrated sideshow, like the magician on stage, to distract our collective attention while something completely different is being quietly planned where we are not looking.

That's what the October event might be.


Hi Bill ...

Where does your intuition/hunch lead to ... can you say anything more ?? ... outside intervention perhaps...ptb planning something?

Forgive my inquisitiveness, its my nature>>>

edit...just noticed Kerry's on line...anymore news with this Kerry?? hope you're well by the way...blessings

viking

[randles]

Dear Bill,, I am speaking for both myself and my 16 year old daughter, as we would BOTH like YOU to share your Intuition...
Intuition is ALL of our spark of life, and We would really appreciate it if YOU WOULD SHARE.. I assume that is why you started this Forum, and IS ABSOLUTE as to why I joined and we listen and learn,,
This is particularly important to US as WE live in the Canary Islands that is experiencing a PHENOMENON of over SEVEN THOUSAND EARTHQUAKES (see my own thread) since the 18 July 2011.
I SHARE, my own IF AND WHEN scenarios, that are blacked out by both MMS and the likes of RSOE EDIS...and is only currently recorded by Institutio Geographical Nacional..

I share my Intuition, and back it up with FACTS as and when I can..
From both myself, a 43 year old Mother and a 16 year old daughter, we would both like you to share,..
In anticipation,
Randles

[Kerry Cassidy]

Hi all,

Thank you for the kind words re my contribution to that show...

Re Elenin... it's not your normal comet but it is not Planet X either. I don't see it as an 'orchestrated side show' the show goes on regardless on many levels and stages simultaneously. It is a controlled object possibly even piloted in my view based on evidence, whistleblower testimony and Hoagland's data so far. I can tell you, Bill have never listened to our 5 hour conference on Elenin and so you won't be up to speed on the info presented there. It's an excellent detailed discussion and I sent you free access a long while back. I suggest you listen :-)

You will learn among other things that the points along the trajectory have a trillion to one odds of occurring in exactly the way they were/are happening so something is up on this... NASA and what goes on in space ala the secret space program is using symbolism and if you don't understand or grasp the significance of this "language" you need to go back to the early work of Jordan Maxwell for a refresher course.

Regardless, I don't see Elenin as the big harbinger of consciousness change that Hoagland does... It is important merely as yet another object being steered into our solar system for some purpose. And remember, they lie to us, they lie to us and yes, they lie to us. To paraphrase Hoagland LOL... so don't believe this is merely a nice little ordinary comet. There are a few non-ordinary comet like objects out there by the way.. YU55 is another one and so is something near Elenin called Gerrard or something like that. Who knows what they are doing? Considering that objects can be maneuvered by beings and used as craft there's no telling how many of them are being used in this way... and for what purpose.

I also don't think this is a distraction... it's valid as is tracking various other space objects, craft etc visiting our sector ...see solar warden for more on this :-)

People are still aware of the economy, the wars being started, instigated etc and the earth changes happening... It's all going on simultaneously. Clues to follow and a storyline to unravel. In my view, staying awake and aware of all of it is worthwhile and makes life interesting besides.

See you at the Awake & Aware conference!!

Best wishes,

Kerry

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks Kerry...

You know I also think something is cooking these next few months...but what i'm not sure about...I have read various articles about the the comet being controlled intelligently as you have stated above...seriously we all need to think about this...if this is the case then in my opinion Hoagland is on the case...this would be a 'harbinger of consciousness' surely!?

Consciousness would change in an instant... consciousness will take its course ...

viking

[Curt]

Kerry, are you planning on getting out of Cali per your intuition on the possible impending event? Whatever happens, I'm sure you'll be wherever you'll need to be. And on an unrelated note: will either you or Bill be doing any conferences in the UK anytime soon, either jointly, or individually?

Thanks

[winston smith1971]

Hi all,

Thank you for the kind words re my contribution to that show...

Re Elenin... it's not your normal comet but it is not Planet X either. I don't see it as an 'orchestrated side show' the show goes on regardless on many levels and stages simultaneously. It is a controlled object possibly even piloted in my view based on evidence, whistleblower testimony and Hoagland's data so far. I can tell you, Bill have never listened to our 5 hour conference on Elenin and so you won't be up to speed on the info presented there. It's an excellent detailed discussion and I sent you free access a long while back. I suggest you listen :-)

You will learn among other things that the points along the trajectory have a trillion to one odds of occurring in exactly the way they were/are happening so something is up on this... NASA and what goes on in space ala the secret space program is using symbolism and if you don't understand or grasp the significance of this "language" you need to go back to the early work of Jordan Maxwell for a refresher course.

Regardless, I don't see Elenin as the big harbinger of consciousness change that Hoagland does... It is important merely as yet another object being steered into our solar system for some purpose. And remember, they lie to us, they lie to us and yes, they lie to us. To paraphrase Hoagland LOL... so don't believe this is merely a nice little ordinary comet. There are a few non-ordinary comet like objects out there by the way.. YU55 is another one and so is something near Elenin called Gerrard or something like that. Who knows what they are doing? Considering that objects can be maneuvered by beings and used as craft there's no telling how many of them are being used in this way... and for what purpose.

I also don't think this is a distraction... it's valid as is tracking various other space objects, craft etc visiting our sector ...see solar warden for more on this :-)

People are still aware of the economy, the wars being started, instigated etc and the earth changes happening... It's all going on simultaneously. Clues to follow and a storyline to unravel. In my view, staying awake and aware of all of it is worthwhile and makes life interesting besides.

See you at the Awake & Aware conference!!

Best wishes,

Kerry
Hi Kerry i believe Richard Hoagland feels Elenin maybe a time capsule sent into space by our ancient ancestors to return soon with the real knowledge and history of the human race, can you elaborate on this please?

[Andrew]

THE DATE IS SET


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR3BiZg0YrU&feature=related

[Daft Ada]

Well there seems to be a few conflicting views between Kerry and Mr Hoagland, I for one want it on record that I think Mr Hoagland has lost the plot big time, I don't quite know how he will be able to show his face with any kind of credibility after the dates pass and nothing happens. Yes Of course I hope I am wrong, but something inside me sets alarm bells ringing whenever I hear him spout this stuff. I have never had this reaction to his other stuff, but this stuff about Elenin triggers all sorts of gut feelings and I can't ignor them. I have to admire his balls though, to make such bold and clear statements when all the rest talk in riddles or quote the good old "Find out for yourselves" get out. Could be a career stopper for him though.

[beyondmyctrl]

THE DATE IS SET


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR3BiZg0YrU&feature=related

thanks for inserting this useless piece of c**p in an otherwise very interesting thread ......

[norman]

Elenin or no Elenin.........

Can some of you experts put this to bed for me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs

[Agape]

I do not feel free to speak among the screaming voices ...as they say 'Inter Arma ..Silent Musae' .

If Richard C Hoagland says '' the lie is different at every level '' , it may be well true but let this apply to him as well , please ..

Each of these people ..have their own version of Truth and what seems to bind them together to one Conference is not only ..Awakening, Truth, Unity of consciousness .. Knowledge .

They have a common theme ..a WAR against the system they've been part of . That's for one . I'm not in war with NASA . I'm not in war with any country whatsoever , I'm not in war with mankind .

And none of the ET intelligencies are in WAR with you or me . You misunderstand so many things that even to start explaining them to you feels futile .

Are you surprised that the 'ET' is silent ?

Because your 'know-it-all' folks have it all well planned and payed forwards you know, 2012 and all they digged out through past 50 or 60 years , who cares ..

This Universe, planet, mankind is much older .



Do you really ever want to hear , see , experience anything new or do you really believe some of your folks, be it NASA or anti-NASA have it all counted forwards ?





How do you get 'no truth' if you think a/ all is lies b/ truth can't be explained c/ if it can it needs to be served to you on silver plate d/ you're constantly carried away by ten contradictory streams of information e/ the truth is in posession of secret gov/military /human beings f/ and at the same time ...add your own letter


How can anyone explain something more complicated to screaming crowd of 'know-it'alls ' .



Peace and Love


:clock:

[Andrew]

THE DATE IS SET


thanks for inserting this useless piece of c**p in an otherwise very interesting thread ......

Sorry it was beyond my control

And whats useless about it? if this comet is what people are saying is true might have an army inside it sneaking in disguised as a comet ready to pounce on a dumbed down world... but there is no such thing as bad aliens its just all love and light right?

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All I've been listening to all this intencely for 5 years and are we any nearer the end of the rabbit hole ??? I have listened/watched 95% of Kerry's and Bill vid/radio shows lots of David Icke, hours of coast, Ion and hundreds of other researchers on various outlets,,,,,,Where am I now ?? On the positive side I've really enjoyed the journey, frustrating as it is the phrace one step forward two steps back seems very appropriate. Anyway From not being at all religious, I now Know I am a 'god' and so are all of you 'Wonderfull Human Creators' according to ION. I'm as sure as I can be that ET's exist and have been meddling with our affairs since scratch, and something massive is going to happen soon but we don't know what ? where? or when? Are crop Circles telling us something ? Yes . Is Ellenin a conciousness raising event or hoax or prelude to false flag? possibly. I think 2012 is a side show as Bill and David Icke both indicate.

What is true the Banksters/ Pharma/ military Ind complex are still making/printing Trillions of Dollars/pounds and the rich are getting richer and the poor, poorer.Nothing new there the elite have always had 95% of the wealth from the pharoahs to Liz 11 today, Anyway there seems to be two paths to aim for if possible, spiritual if we are 'gods' looking to 'reassend' back to our place of power? Great , or we have to physically change the way we live by dissarming and resolving conflicts peacefully. As the last 10,000 years have shown we are many years away from that change of mindset. So with this vast library of research at our disposal where are we ?

Something I should point out with all this chaos and destruction going on all around the world. I personally feel more positive than ever and am looking forward to the future , even if it may not have come across like that...LOL

Love & Peace everyone I'm going down another burrow see you later....Steve

[winston smith1971]

Hi All I've been listening to all this intencely for 5 years and are we any nearer the end of the rabbit hole ??? I have listened/watched to 95% of Kerry's and Bill vid/radio shows lots of David Icke, hours of coast, Ion and hundreds of other researchers on various outlets,,,,,,Where am I now ?? On the positive side I've really enjoyed the journey, frustrating as it is the phrace one step forward two steps back seems very appropriate. Anyway From not being at all religious, I now Know I am a 'god' and so are all of you 'Wonderfull Human Creators' according to ION. I'm as sure as I can be that ET's exist and have been meddling with our affairs since scratch, and something massive is going to happen soon but we don't know what ? where? or when? Are crop Circles telling us something ? Yes . Is Ellenin a conciousness raising event or hoax or prelude to false flag? possibly. I think 2012 is a side show as Bill and David Icke both indicate.

What is true the Banksters/ Pharma/ military Ind complex are still making/printing Trillions of Dollars/pounds and the rich are getting richer and the poor, poorer.Nothing new there the elite have always had 95% of the wealth from the pharoahs to Liz 11 today, Anyway there seems two be two paths to aim for if possible spiritual if we are 'gods' looking to 'reassend' back to our place of power? Great , or we have to physically change the way we live by dissarming and resolving conflicts peacefully. As the last 10,000 years have shown we are many years away from that change of mindset. So with this vast library of research at our disposal where are we ?

Something I should point out with all this chaos and destruction going on all around the world. I personally feel more positive than ever and am looking forward to the future , even if it may not have come across like that...LOL

Love & Peace everyone I'm going down another burrow see you later....Steve

"All of history, as we know it, has been revised, rewritten, twisted and tweaked by selfishly motivated men to achieve and maintain control over other men. When one can understand that everything is comprised of “energy” and that even physical matter is “coalesced” energy, and that all energy emanates from God’s thought, one can accept the idea that the successful focusing of millions of minds on one expected happening will cause it to happen." AND THEY CALLED HIS NAME IMMANUEL *** I AM SANANDA – By Sananda & Judas Iscarioth A Phoenix Journal
Hi Cider excellent post, I feel the above could be true if God's is replace with OUR, then we truly are the creators, various physicist and other experts researchers etc. say about atoms being particles waves and beams that change when observed or have other forces put upon them, everything is energy and it can be manipulated. Once we lock into our power and can manipulate reality we will become gods, but we may leave our physical and join one consciousness or creator but something feels like it is in the air, changes are a foot and hopefully with a mass awakening gaining momentum then hopefully a miraculous or powerful change can occur.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Elenin or no Elenin.........

Can some of you experts put this to bed for me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs

Hi Norman ...It looks very bright but I think it is Venus ...

Check on Stellarium...

viking

[Forevernyt]

You know, I've heard a lot of talk about synchronicity. I subscribe to Netflix streaming (no it's not a commercial). Recently, the old cartoon Star Blazers has become available. Now this is a show that my friends and I would run home to watch after school every weekday. Anyhow, getting to the point, in the second season of Star Blazers, the enemy they faced was called, "The Comet Empire".

http://www.comet-empire.com/images/comet-e.gif

Enough to make you say, "hmmmmm".

Seriously though, I don't see anything happening with whatever is left of Elenin. If it does, I'll be pleasantly surprised, either way. If it doesn't, then we're all back to square one, so to speak.

Peace.

[Bill Ryan]

Elenin or no Elenin.........

Can some of you experts put this to bed for me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs

It's a hole in the cloud. (!)

[Eric J (Viking)]

"All of history, as we know it, has been revised, rewritten, twisted and tweaked by selfishly motivated men to achieve and maintain control over other men. When one can understand that everything is comprised of “energy” and that even physical matter is “coalesced” energy, and that all energy emanates from God’s thought, one can accept the idea that the successful focusing of millions of minds on one expected happening will cause it to happen." AND THEY CALLED HIS NAME IMMANUEL *** I AM SANANDA – By Sananda & Judas Iscarioth A Phoenix Journal
Hi Cider excellent post, I feel the above could be true if God's is replace with OUR, then we truly are the creators, various physicist and other experts researchers etc. say about atoms being particles waves and beams that change when observed or have other forces put upon them, everything is energy and it can be manipulated. Once we lock into our power and can manipulate reality we will become gods, but we may leave our physical and join one consciousness or creator but something feels like it is in the air, changes are a foot and hopefully with a mass awakening gaining momentum then hopefully a miraculous or powerful change can occur.

Hello Winston ... spot on...

viking

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Elenin or no Elenin.........

Can some of you experts put this to bed for me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs



It's a hole in the cloud. (!)

Hi Bill

No it's not. Holes in clouds move along with the cloud. Or did I miss your sense of humour?

Its probably Venus...

viking

[Elixer]

I thought it was funny to hear Hoagland more or less beg people to use some common sense with regards to the 'Elenin is a Brown dwarf' thing, seeing how his perspective is the furthest from common sense to most ('normal') people.

Though I'm not always impressed with Kerry's speaking abilities, on this call I was. I thought she was indeed the better speaker, citing many references, pulling various perspectives together, answering questions while not answering those she couldn't and inserting a subtle plug for the conference as well. Very nice.

[Hervé]

Elenin or no Elenin.........

Can some of you experts put this to bed for me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs


It's a hole in the cloud. (!)
Hi Bill!

Thanks for the ... :pound:glad you didn't specify what kind of cloud you meant...

[Heather2017]

I do not feel free to speak among the screaming voices...

You misunderstand so many things that even to start explaining them to you feels futile...

How can anyone explain something more complicated to screaming crowd of 'know-it'alls ' .

Peace and Love


Hi Agape. Who are the people behaving like a screaming crowd of know-it-alls? Pretty harsh words.

Sounds like you're saying you have a better understanding of some of these topics, but we don't deserve to hear your views?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Heather

[aranuk]

Elenin or no Elenin.........

Can some of you experts put this to bed for me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs



Hi Norman ...It looks very bright but I think it is Venus ...

Check on Stellarium...

viking

Can anyone remember tha date of this video? Was it 14th Sept? I just checked it was. So it is NOT Venus. Venus was 8deg away from Sun that is approximately 16 moon diameters away as we see it from Earth.

Stan

[Allura]

Stan, yes, it was Sept. 14, 2011...at least, that is when it was posted. It could have been filmed any time prior to that date.

[Hervé]

[...]

Can anyone remember tha date of this video? Was it 14th Sept? I just checked it was. So it is NOT Venus. Venus was 8deg away from Sun that is approximately 16 moon diameters away as we see it from Earth.

Stan

Remember this: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=310327&viewfull=1#post310327 ?

[aceninja]

Well, with that said, I guess we blew up an ET controlled improvised carrier. Wasn't it a CME that destroyed it? If there was any malevolent intent behind the whole Elenin thing, this confirms that we are being protected at a higher level.

I take this to mean: "They are worrying about the things we have no control over, so why don't we focus our energies on things we personally have influence over such as the NWO agenda, our good health, growing spiritually and consciously?"

I didn't like the hype over Elenin, BUT as I've said earlier I think it's best to keep these things in the back of our minds and wait for other pieces to be shown before passing judgment. We of all people should know not to become arrogant in our ignorance. It's best to be atleast a fence sitter, than a hard skeptic for everything. If it's not true or disinfo just discard it and keep moving!


Hi all,

Thank you for the kind words re my contribution to that show...

Re Elenin... it's not your normal comet but it is not Planet X either. I don't see it as an 'orchestrated side show' the show goes on regardless on many levels and stages simultaneously. It is a controlled object possibly even piloted in my view based on evidence, whistleblower testimony and Hoagland's data so far. I can tell you, Bill have never listened to our 5 hour conference on Elenin and so you won't be up to speed on the info presented there. It's an excellent detailed discussion and I sent you free access a long while back. I suggest you listen :-)

You will learn among other things that the points along the trajectory have a trillion to one odds of occurring in exactly the way they were/are happening so something is up on this... NASA and what goes on in space ala the secret space program is using symbolism and if you don't understand or grasp the significance of this "language" you need to go back to the early work of Jordan Maxwell for a refresher course.

Regardless, I don't see Elenin as the big harbinger of consciousness change that Hoagland does... It is important merely as yet another object being steered into our solar system for some purpose. And remember, they lie to us, they lie to us and yes, they lie to us. To paraphrase Hoagland LOL... so don't believe this is merely a nice little ordinary comet. There are a few non-ordinary comet like objects out there by the way.. YU55 is another one and so is something near Elenin called Gerrard or something like that. Who knows what they are doing? Considering that objects can be maneuvered by beings and used as craft there's no telling how many of them are being used in this way... and for what purpose.

I also don't think this is a distraction... it's valid as is tracking various other space objects, craft etc visiting our sector ...see solar warden for more on this :-)

People are still aware of the economy, the wars being started, instigated etc and the earth changes happening... It's all going on simultaneously. Clues to follow and a storyline to unravel. In my view, staying awake and aware of all of it is worthwhile and makes life interesting besides.

See you at the Awake & Aware conference!!

Best wishes,

Kerry

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Aranuk/Allura

Yes I have checked the position of venus against the video... if you look at the video the white spot is about 9.00 ish (position)... if you check stellarium it starts at about 7.00 ish and then eventually gets to about after 9.00 about 3.00pm ...I estimate that the time this video was taken is between 3.00 - 4.00 pm ... yes on stellarium the spot appears to be closer...but if you take away the flaring of the sun and replace it with a much smaller spot for the position of the sun then Venus would appear to be further away... I am now certain that this is Venus ... keep on trucking...

viking

[norman]

It looks very BIG for Venus!

[aranuk]

[...]

Can anyone remember tha date of this video? Was it 14th Sept? I just checked it was. So it is NOT Venus. Venus was 8deg away from Sun that is approximately 16 moon diameters away as we see it from Earth.

Stan


Remember this: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=310327&viewfull=1#post310327 ?

AZ Of course I do and in that thread I saw a clear bright orb close to the sun. That was in North Wales and at 1 pm, I saw his watch, he showed it to camera. But I didn't say it was Venus. You mentioned Venus didn't you not? On that day at that time in that place Venus was 8 degrees away from sun. 16 Moon diameters as it would appear to us on Earth.

[Agape]

Elenin or no Elenin.........

Can some of you experts put this to bed for me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs



Hi Norman ...It looks very bright but I think it is Venus ...

Check on Stellarium...

viking

Can anyone remember tha date of this video? Was it 14th Sept? I just checked it was. So it is NOT Venus. Venus was 8deg away from Sun that is approximately 16 moon diameters away as we see it from Earth.

Stan



Nonsense. 16 moon diameters away ? How comes ;)


Venus is supposed to be somewhere behind the Sun ( from Earth observers view ) at the moment, or very close to it , in what's considered 'superior transit ' from 'Earth'.

http://www.transitofvenus.org/

Could be a circular cloud .

;)

[1159]

Of all things I am most happy to see Bill and Kerry converse (sort of) on the same thread. It's been a while ... the steel and the stone always works well together IMHO.

[aranuk]

It looks very BIG for Venus!

Thank you Norman! I would guess it is twice as big as Venus. Does anyone remember seeing the video of Venus passing across the suns face about ten or twelve years ago? It was about slightly bigger than half the size.

Stan

[Hervé]

Remember this: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=310327&viewfull=1#post310327 ?

AZ Of course I do and in that thread I saw a clear bright orb close to the sun. That was in North Wales and at 1 pm, I saw his watch, he showed it to camera. But I didn't say it was Venus. You mentioned Venus didn't you not? On that day at that time in that place Venus was 8 degrees away from sun. 16 Moon diameters as it would appear to us on Earth.

The 1 pm video was from the next day, Sept. 15 (check the link I provided and further down I posted the links to his latest videos). As anyone else I was surprised that Venus could be seen in broad daylight and took it as a possibility due to digital cameras oddities.

Apparent size of Moon and Sun are identical from Earth (hence eclipses). Therefore the distance from the Sun could be determined from the Sun's size on the video (actual size, not the size of the halo/haze).

This can be appreciated at the very beginning of his first video when the Sun is behind the cloud but the orb isn't. Then when the sun comes out of the cloud, the distance orb-Sun seems to have "shrunk" due to the halo effect of sun on the haze.


9967

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi Agape. Who are the people behaving like a screaming crowd of know-it-alls? Pretty harsh words.

Sounds like you're saying you have a better understanding of some of these topics, but we don't deserve to hear your views?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Heather
Agape had a different perspective, a valuable one in my (rather limited) view.

Others do not determine what we "deserve" to hear; we each determine, moment by shifting moment, what we are willing and able to hear.

[aranuk]

Elenin or no Elenin.........

Can some of you experts put this to bed for me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs



Hi Norman ...It looks very bright but I think it is Venus ...

Check on Stellarium...

viking

Can anyone remember tha date of this video? Was it 14th Sept? I just checked it was. So it is NOT Venus. Venus was 8deg away from Sun that is approximately 16 moon diameters away as we see it from Earth.

Stan



Nonsense. 16 moon diameters away ? How comes ;)


Venus is supposed to be somewhere behind the Sun ( from Earth observers view ) at the moment, or very close to it , in what's considered 'superior transit ' from 'Earth'.

http://www.transitofvenus.org/

Could be a circular cloud .

;)


STAN: My ephemeris says that is was 8 degrees conjunct the Sun and also my Solar Fire program says the same thing. UNLESS some ET's out there are making it move against its orbit and interfering with it in some way it was 8 degrees away from the centre of the sun. The moon normally and roughly the sun too are half a degree wide (diameter) about the same width as a womans pinky tip holding an outstretched arm towards the sun. Please take my word for it I am becoming bored now with all this explaining.

[ulli]

Bill Ryan posted this on another thread and he has more clout on this forum than I do
and I completely agree with what he is saying here.
It was amateur astronomers who helped me get out of a Nibiru scare back in 2002 when I got sucked in by the Zetatalk fearmongerers.
So I'm crossposting this from another thread.


Bill Ryan:The thing to remember here is that there are thousands (maybe tens of thousands!) of competent, knowledgeable amateur astronomers in every developed corner of the world. Most of them are independent and are not funded or employed by institutions.

If there were any major anomalies visible with an optical telescope, they would be shouting from the rooftops. And competing with one another to add their names to a new discovery.

The only major problem out there is likely to be Planet X, which is not yet visible optically. As best I understand, it's still a few years out. It's probably currently visible in the infrared, though, through means not available to citizens (and certainly not visible in a cellphone camera).

Human consciousness affects reality, and the more focus is sent out there,
with the expectation of some major event,
even though it won't "create" the comet into existence
it nevertheless will create phenomena that would correspond with the expected fall-out.
This is what mind manipulation is all about.

In May of 1988 there was a massive earthquake scare in LA and many who could afford to get out left,
believing it was going to be "the big one".
On the appointed day a fire broke out in one of the tall downtown buildings on the 14th floor, and it engulfed several floors.
Whether the psychics who had made the predictions had seen the building on fire in their vision,
and assumed it to be caused by the quake, I don't know. I just remember thinking it was odd.
Anyway, there was no quake that day.
I made a mental note.

[Hervé]

I don't think Astroblogger read my post...


[...]
Could be a good idea to take a video at sunrise/set to see it better.

And if indeed it is Venus, then pictures of it could be taken from anywhere


but here it is:



Sunday, September 18, 2011

Venus Returns (September 2011)


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WGY4gK-2iDw/TnXVlzTe6-I/AAAAAAAAD7E/rsp8TjnmWGg/s320/Venus_18-09-11.JPG (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WGY4gK-2iDw/TnXVlzTe6-I/AAAAAAAAD7E/rsp8TjnmWGg/s1600/Venus_18-09-11.JPG)

Venus captured in the twilight after sunset (6:35 pm ACST, Sunday September 18), you will need to click to embiggen to see the dot that is Venus (indicated by arrow).

As I noted yesterday (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/09/i-saw-venus.html), Venus is now visible from where I live. It's lucky I live fairly close to the ocean, as you really need to have a clear unobstructed horizon to see Venus in the twilight. However, it will climb higher in the evening sky as the month progresses, until it dominates our early evening skies.
Labels: unaided eye observation (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/search/label/unaided%20eye%20observation), Venus (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/search/label/Venus)
From: http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/

(click on picture to see an enlargement... Venus is really, really very tiny... good point for you Norman)

[Agape]

The Ephemeris we both probably use is geocentric not heliocentric ephemeris unless you state otherwise . 8 degrees from the Sun is with relation to the Earth observer.

These are astronomical degrees though approximate , not angular degrees .

I understand what you mean ..

;)

[onawah]

Bill Ryan posted this on another thread and he has more clout on this forum than I do
and I completely agree with what he is saying here.
It was amateur astronomers who helped me get out of a Nibiru scare back in 2002 when I got sucked in by the Zetatalk fearmongerers.
So I'm crossposting this from another thread.


The thing to remember here is that there are thousands (maybe tens of thousands!) of competent, knowledgeable amateur astronomers in every developed corner of the world. Most of them are independent and are not funded or employed by institutions.

If there were any major anomalies visible with an optical telescope, they would be shouting from the rooftops. And competing with one another to add their names to a new discovery.

The only major problem out there is likely to be Planet X, which is not yet visible optically. As best I understand, it's still a few years out. It's probably currently visible in the infrared, though, through means not available to citizens (and certainly not visible in a cellphone camera).

Bill Ryan, are you referring to the brown dwarf when you use the term "Planet X" ?
(Inasmuch as that is a star, not a planet, I think we need a different name for it.)
On the other hand, if you are referring to Nibiru, I would be very grateful if you would give your views as to whether or not it exists, where you think it is, when it might arrive in our solar system, and what kind of impact it might have.
If you do not agree with Bob Dean, would you please tell us what source of info you do credit with being correct?
Thanks!
(Maybe we need a new thread for that discussion. I know we've had it before, but the information and our various takes on it keep changing. )

[ghostrider]

if elenin is gone then we shouldn't have anymore earthquakes in sync with alignments, or sinkholes, or mass animal deaths, or the sun burning hotter and hotter.

[Agape]

I do not feel free to speak among the screaming voices...

You misunderstand so many things that even to start explaining them to you feels futile...

How can anyone explain something more complicated to screaming crowd of 'know-it'alls ' .

Peace and Love


Hi Agape. Who are the people behaving like a screaming crowd of know-it-alls? Pretty harsh words.

Sounds like you're saying you have a better understanding of some of these topics, but we don't deserve to hear your views?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Heather



It has very nothing to do with 'not deserving the truth' Heather .

If all the 'truth' ( views ) you expect to get and that's what Kerry and hundreds of other media shows are repeatedly asking and speaking about at the moment ,

and please don't read my words wrong , I mean no disregards to any of them,

is 2012, Elenin the Comet, secret NASA missions, faked landings on the Moon, secret landings on the Moon, bases on Mars, jumprooms to Mars, stargates we use to travel to another galaxies and back, Annunaki and more Annunaki ( who is that please asks IG command ) , Ascension and so and so forth..

great topics indeed . I mean no offense to Kerry, Bill or anyone else whatsoever but even if I get on show on all these topics it will be 333 s show , your show, your never cleared confusion.

Starting from wrong A can't make you arrive to correct B unless by chance and the chance is well number times more than trillion.


So you kind of expect, no sorry ..I know you expect nothing :becky:

You don't expect anyone to know unless they would prove it . You did not read or hear what I have to say and did not ask me anything..

because I don't come around from second hand research store and life of Mars as it's customary.


No, please consider this is loving kindness from me ..letting my tounge slip . It should not perhaps ..



;)

[Agape]

if elenin is gone then we shouldn't have anymore earthquakes in sync with alignments, or sinkholes, or mass animal deaths, or the sun burning hotter and hotter.

Sorry . There will be still ..earthquakes ..earth is young and unstable, it has living vulcanos , seismic activity , lots of heat under your feet you could use for your wellfare in fact .
It's not comets causing this . Planetary alignments can of course influence harmonics of each body but it changes very little in the age and physical evolution of planets in current time period of the solar system .

It's almost like astrology ..these alignments. They can explain everything but change nothing.

There's tectonic activity so also there wil be few sinkholes.

Sun may get hotter over next several millions of years .. if we survive till then we will get solution.



:plane:

[Hervé]

if elenin is gone then we shouldn't have anymore earthquakes in sync with alignments, or sinkholes, or mass animal deaths, or the sun burning hotter and hotter.

Think of it as Elenin having been a decoy all along, what actually created all these EQs, birds microwaved in mid-flights, strange tornadoes and huricanes paths, etc...? And "technology" enters into the picture.

[HORIZONS]

--------

I'm also concerned about California the end of September....



I came across this several hours after reading your post - Interesting reading.


SPIRAL TO ECONOMIC DISASTER - A PHOENIX JOURNAL - 1989
Let us speak of that place within the United States called by ye ones as California, There will not be a place within that State which shall be as is, for there shall be a great purging, and a great overflowing; teeming and seething of the masses beneath the waters, and a great sinking of that which is above; not a place shall be left untouched within the earth. But there shall be areas of protection whereby the land masses will be thrust upward into an altitude above the onrushing waters. Islands will be left thrust above the waters. The seed of the beginning will be kept in safety for the replenishment of these portions. ... Great numbers of ones shall find themselves swimming in their beds--and the whirlwind shall catch them up.
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/PJ_04.pdf

[KiwiElf]

I agree with Bill: "Expect the unexpected!" In whatever form and whenever these situations occur will be COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED.

Did we "expect" 9/11?
Did we "expect" JFK's assassination?
Did we "expect" Pearl Harbour?

"110 years ago we "knew" we couldn't fly. Only hundreds of years before that and we "knew" the world was flat and the Universe revolved around the Earth. What do we really "know?"

[steveofengland]

I recall one scientist scoffed at the idea that elenin was a brown dwarf star saying "a body with a Jupiter mass would start causing problems not just to earth, but to every planet in the solar system. And these effects would be seen long before it even entered the solar system"
So could it be the case that all the changes we are seeing not only on earth but other planets too are being influenced by a brown dwarf star that is getting close to the outer edges of the solar system.
And if this is the case we may never see it, as by the time it gets to the inner solar system we will have been wiped out?

[TWINCANS]

Regardless, I don't see Elenin as the big harbinger of consciousness change that Hoagland does... It is important merely as yet another object being steered into our solar system for some purpose. And remember, they lie to us, they lie to us and yes, they lie to us.

I think it has been lobbed at us. For what purpose? The usual one of creating fear and chaos, and then harvesting.

Thanks for your interesting work.

[Houman]

No need for speculations when the (filtered) info is in the public domain...
Houman

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3222476/Suns-protective-bubble-is-shrinking.html
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/11jul_darkfireworks/
http://www.baycitizen.org/blogs/pulse-of-the-bay/pge-warned-prepare-rash-solar-storms/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/18aug_cmemovie/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110331114935.htm
http://www.space.com/12649-nasa-solar-storm-tracking-briefing-thursday.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.myweathertech.com/2011/08/17/solar-flare-activity-prompting-nasa-to-convene-a-news-briefing-thursday-in-washington/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20226499
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15287018/mysterious-toxic-smell-reported-across-san-diego-county
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2011/08/110803-solar-flare-storm-electricity-grid-risk/
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/193644/20110806/solar-storms-earth-sun.htm
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/05/sun-may-soon-plunge-into-hot-clo.html
http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/731/1/56
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2000596/Solar-flare-Sunspot-cycle-threatens-disrupt-Earth-communications-power.html

[thewebkid]

I actually have a flight to CA scheduled 9/29 for the longevity now conference (and I have an extra ticket in case anyone wants to get their nutrition on with me).

This is a super strange thread to read after looking forward to hanging out with all the healthiest eaters in the world in a few days. What a strange time for a disaster to strike. I think I will still go though since nothing major has ever been predicted by any in these alternative circles. Prolly more likely that a ridiculous amount of well-being will be spread down there (you know what I mean if you have ever heard David Wolfe speak).

[apokalypse]

researchers and the theories is not the problem but the problem is they based on false/disformation from whistleblower or insider so we must beaware of this.

[Calz]

Not psychic or intuitive information but this may have some bearing on the current situation for the west coast. Several days ago Dutchsinse did a video showing all the earthquake activity around the world and he focused on how the entire ring of fire/pacific rim was experiencing 6+ quakes except for usa west coast and central america.

I believe there was a 5.8 today in central america.

Anyway ... simply suggests a building of pressure on the plate(s) that might be released on the west coast soon.

Who knows?


http://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsin.../1/0BALOHIFxyM

[Eric J (Viking)]

Found this update...:noidea:

Many World Leaders Will Be In Recess During The Elenin Alignment

In a strange coincidence of anomalies, many world leaders and politicians will be in recess during the next alignment with ‘Comet’ Elenin.


The United Nations has an empty schedule from September 23rd through October 10th, 2011.

The UK Parliament is in recess from September 15th through October 10th, 2011.

The United States Congress is on vacation from September 25th through October 2nd, 2011.

Germany’s President’s schedule is empty after September 25, 2011.

In a related story, there are many scheduled conferences in Colorado, where one of the world’s largest Deep Underground Military Bunkers (D.U.M.B.s) is located:



http://www.in5d.com/world-leaders-will-be-in-recess-during-elenin-a...

~~~~~~~~

viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hey I suppose its all just coincidence!! ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAxFmEtFc2s&feature=player_embedded

viking

[The Truth Is In There]

well, even if i'm alone in saying this, i still believe that elenin is one of the main players in the game. unless tptb created the mayan calendar and all those endtime prophecies as a form of disinfo, first and foremost the bible and hopi prophecies, then there's absolutely zero chance that what's going to happen is totally "man-made". and whatever happens until october 28th, i firmly believe that afterwards everyone will get their personal truth, only some won't like it.

edit: just finished watching the video. what hoagland says about elenin at the end (around 55:00 min) makes a lot of sense to me, and it would fulfill another part of the blue kachina prophecy.

[transiten]

I actually have a flight to CA scheduled 9/29 for the longevity now conference (and I have an extra ticket in case anyone wants to get their nutrition on with me).

This is a super strange thread to read after looking forward to hanging out with all the healthiest eaters in the world in a few days. What a strange time for a disaster to strike. I think I will still go though since nothing major has ever been predicted by any in these alternative circles. Prolly more likely that a ridiculous amount of well-being will be spread down there (you know what I mean if you have ever heard David Wolfe speak).

He he, this imminent disaster is not compatible with my agenda either! And by the way, my best astrocartographylines run through Seattle and Vancouver which menas i resonate with pple from that area even if i can't go there myself. In Seattle one can study astrology at the university and i've referred to the speech of Indian chief Seattle many times, even if as some say it was a screen play...

Apocalypso:grouphug::party:

[AMystic3434]

can someone explain how Elenin is going to be a major consiousness awakener. I mean Elenin is not even in the main stream media, most people have no clue about it. How is this small comet really going to have such a big effect on mankind. What if nothing happens, then people will just come up with a new later date with some crazy story. And this will go on and on.

[transiten]

can someone explain how Elenin is going to be a major consiousness awakener. I mean Elenin is not even in the main stream media, most people have no clue about it. How is this small comet really going to have such a big effect on mankind. What if nothing happens, then people will just come up with a new later date with some crazy story. And this will go on and on.

Well if something big happens it will, but as for me i'm focusing on other things:music:

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Viking as George Noorey always says I don't believe in coincidences....These PTB types like a laugh at our expence, Its said they have to tell the public there plans and we are
to stupid to realise what the bigger picture is.Which may have been true inthe past, but thanks to the likes of David Icke, Jordon Maxwell and others we are all starting to look into the world of the occult, ( hidden knowledge ) and as the elites have known since dot, knowledge is power !! They have for thousands years used lies and blackmail to control governments and by owning press and media have been able to hide the truth in plain sight disquised as some story or other!

How is it possible the doller Bill can be folded to show the burning Twin Towers ......Coincidence...............NO.....THE BAD BOYS ARE HAVING A LAUGH !!!!!!!!!!

SMgGC9W-ks8

REMEMBER : ITS ALL ABOUT SYMBOLISM , MAGIC , DATES & POWER....

and someone with a 'distastefull' origami fetish...LOL Cheers Steve

[Elixer]

According to Freeman Obama is not going to be here for 11-11-11
He's flying to Australia and will be flying into tomorrow, missing this potentially interesting day all together.
(From the Freezone 9-17-11 (http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/freeman/freeman.2011-09-17_16k.mp3) in the first 5 minutes)
Funny.
However, when you check the president's itinerary for those days on whitehouse.gov, there is nothing planned...

[Allura]

The Denver Post is saying that he will be in Seattle on the 25th and Southern CA on the 26th....awfully close to this alignment and certainly two places I would not want to be anywhere near if the alignment is to cause a potential catastrophic event. That's why I don't think the alignment has anything to do with his visit to Denver...now, a man made disaster? Quite possibly.

http://www.denverpost.com/politics/ci_18801037

[Logan]

if im not mistaken there is rehortic that the bunker in virginias and colorado were nuked.....theres a couple of threads floating around saying the anomalies was eartquakes....i felt them in the carolinas....this could be pure speculation...i believe by some of the siesmic graphs that they say it has the same signature a a nuclear explosin and not earthquakes....im sure all of you had heard about this....i tend to believe the data that has been created are from a detonation of nuclear devices....just some food for thought....love light and abundance....thirdeye....

I felt the quake in VA. There are never earthquakes and for a 4.0-6.0 level quake to hit is unheard of. My entire building shook and I had to snatch up my son because I thought the ceiling fan was about to fall on his head.

Do you have any of the graphs you are speaking of? I would be very interested in seeing tem. Much love, thanks.

-Logan

[Agape]

can someone explain how Elenin is going to be a major consiousness awakener. I mean Elenin is not even in the main stream media, most people have no clue about it. How is this small comet really going to have such a big effect on mankind. What if nothing happens, then people will just come up with a new later date with some crazy story. And this will go on and on.

It's not about Comet Elenin at all. It's about ET intervention, AI in Space that neither destroys the planet nor causes earthquakes and tsunamis but clogs and fogs peoples mind and cause a 'hype' .

So these people run after a particular thing or person as if they are charmed and the group is run by people, various individuals who are distantly manipulated to creating the 'hype model' .

You might say it's very sinister in fact , reminding me of the 'Pied Piper of Hammeln' story. The Pied Piper is the original 'whistleblower' archytype , actually ..

He blows the whistle and shows he has power over rats . The rats are the scared little ones so they scream and follow . More he blows more they are scared , that's the mystery .

It's fear that is in charge of these 'movements' , all about it, there would be great information but it's getting overwhelmed by fear .


The Comet is completely innocent , in fact that's the reason why you can point to it and make your own story , it's free of charge .


It can be medialized and was medialized easily exactly because it fits well to the 2012 hype again.

One would have to go back to another topic here to speak of the future . But as I've said earlier ...forwarding message to people who are already indoctrined by some concept so heavily is almost impossible .



There has to be wish to understand from more than one side , there has to be a need to know , wish from deep inside to speak about any reality here at all.




:pray:

[Eric J (Viking)]

can someone explain how Elenin is going to be a major consiousness awakener. I mean Elenin is not even in the main stream media, most people have no clue about it. How is this small comet really going to have such a big effect on mankind. What if nothing happens, then people will just come up with a new later date with some crazy story. And this will go on and on.

It's not about Comet Elenin at all. It's about ET intervention, AI in Space that neither destroys the planet nor causes earthquakes and tsunamis but clogs and fogs peoples mind and cause a 'hype' .

So these people run after a particular thing or person as if they are charmed and the group is run by people, various individuals who are distantly manipulated to creating the 'hype model' .

You might say it's very sinister in fact , remind me of the 'Pied Piper of Hammeln' story. The Pied Piper is the original 'whistleblower' archytype , actually ..

He blows the whistle and shows he has power over rats . The rats are the scared little ones so they scream and follow . More he blows more they are scared , that's the mystery .

It's fear that is in charge of thiese 'movements' , all about it, there would be great information but it's getting overwhelmed by fear .


The Comet is completely innocent , in fact that's the reason why you can point to it and make your own story , it's free of charge .


It can medialized and was medialized easily exactly because it fits well to the 2012 hype again.

One would have to go back to another topic here to speak of the future . But as I've said earlier ...forwarding message to people who are already indoctrined by some concept so heavily is almost impossible .



There has to be wish to understand from more than one side , there has to be a need to know , wish from deep inside to speak about any reality here at all.




:pray:

Yes you're correct Agape ...

As a footnote I would like to add that when "ET intervention" eventually happens, it will be the single most important event in our times that will transform consciousness to the next stage...

Humanity will rise>>>

viking

[HORIZONS]

Are you saying that "in the twinkling of an eye", we will be changed? Or as I interpret it - In the blink of an eye we will be elevated to a higher stage of Consciousness, where we will experience a union with another dimension of life and reality, and be set free from the lower vibrational carnal realm.

Will ET (whatever that is exactly) bring us this new experience of life and reality, or is this something we have to do within ourselves and then manifest outwardly? OR even a combination of the two?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Are you saying that "in the twinkling of an eye", we will be changed? Or as I interpret it - In the blink of an eye we will be elevated to a higher stage of Consciousness, where we will experience a union with another dimension of life and reality, and be set free from the lower vibrational carnal realm.

Will ET (whatever that is exactly) bring us this new experience of life and reality, or is this something we have to do within ourselves and then manifest outwardly? OR even a combination of the two?

Hi Horizon

I suppose many have interpreted this in different ways...but yes as I have highlighted above would be a good interpretation, which you have suggested.

I think you know answer to the next question Horizon...both...you see nothing is going to happen unless we ask for it...folk need to take on board the true power of thought! Many of you know this, and many still are realising their power,and the potential of this, and also how they have been manipulated by thought alone.

viking

[Agape]

Are you saying that "in the twinkling of an eye", we will be changed? Or as I interpret it - In the blink of an eye we will be elevated to a higher stage of Consciousness, where we will experience a union with another dimension of life and reality, and be set free from the lower vibrational carnal realm.

Will ET (whatever that is exactly) bring us this new experience of life and reality, or is this something we have to do within ourselves and then manifest outwardly? OR even a combination of the two?

Imagine this would be one of the greatest possible news in modern human history ..with countless possible ramifications for mankind .

Open encounter between mankind and advanced non terrestrial intelligencies .

Would it mean sudden elevation of mankind to another level of existence ?

I doubt it seriously . But it would still mean a big leap forwards. The big leap would consist of milliards of small leaps ..according to what each of us can make. While some can jump others do baby steps, others crawl on the ground, some walk straight, some sit and refuse to move .
It's always been the case . It would not be different.

What plays a huge role in this ..is inserting more advanced information to human mindstream . Scientists and more advanced part of populace in general would still have hard times with deciphering the information.
Church would have much less problem because they'd dig out old scriptures and say they always knew it . They'd just expand the Realm of Spirit to Space .
Those with bright minds would get it fast and those who were very slow before would sit and argue for some time ,
create lots of new conspiracies and 'hypes'.

Those who are on the way to enlightenment and awakening or ascension as you call it ..they'd wake up bit more .

With ascension there's one little problem and that is ..no one can hold you 'up' by force too long. We only ascend by defying the gravity, by our own light and weight .


.................


I actually wish that this would happen in front of the worlds eyes and we all would be watching.


But allow me to tell you it's most probably not going to happen for quite some time yet, not the way described ,
it's not going to happen 'from outside' . Why ..


Chasing for Ships in the sky, AI that can cross solar system in blink of an eye is futile effort .

We know 'they are ' sometimes on orbit and then they're gone. They're stationed nearby and then they're gone.

Time-space distortion produces different views to the observer on Earth. What you see/feel to be presence can be a past .

We probably all speak of advanced civilisations who are thousands , maybe millions years ahead of us in evolution of technologies at the moment .

There's no way they come from planets of the same age with Earth ..or similarly advanced societies.

They come from Star systems and planets that are much older and have different time-space properties than we are accustomed to on Earth, in general .


20 years on this planet can mean an hour or two of their time. They spend few hours here and see all the chaos ..and you see few lights blinking in the sky .


Imagine driving in RolceRoyce in desert close to some aboriginee village . These people can't make any sense of what they see .

So if you really want to speak to the people and not to scare them, you need to park the car somewhere aside and come on foot , possibly looking about like them and introduce yourself .



The difference we speak about is exponentially greater . Yet, what it means is that mankind and disclosure can only happen with permision of mankind alone ,
it happens from inside .

There are emissaries of other civilisations living here and there is information available to science . Clues have been revealed to many different folks simultaneously , some were more ready than others.

Many who thought of themselves highly and to be the ready ones, freaked out and closed their ears.


Many people took it as sign for themselves ...the sign that 'they are the chosen', thinking it's their secret and their information. Again, those were not ready either .



Yes it's actually 'something' in human potential that decided the time is about right to reveal certain number of things . Then it may well mean another long time of waiting . Unless you show relevant gesture , intelligent response, next step won't be taken and so on.


There are too many people beating around the bushes anyway ..



And ..EHM..kind of ..don't worry that the folks in administrative are getting it much better or faster than you do.


:wave:

[thewebkid]

I actually have a flight to CA scheduled 9/29 for the longevity now conference (and I have an extra ticket in case anyone wants to get their nutrition on with me).

This is a super strange thread to read after looking forward to hanging out with all the healthiest eaters in the world in a few days. What a strange time for a disaster to strike. I think I will still go though since nothing major has ever been predicted by any in these alternative circles. Prolly more likely that a ridiculous amount of well-being will be spread down there (you know what I mean if you have ever heard David Wolfe speak).

He he, this imminent disaster is not compatible with my agenda either! And by the way, my best astrocartographylines run through Seattle and Vancouver which menas i resonate with pple from that area even if i can't go there myself. In Seattle one can study astrology at the university and i've referred to the speech of Indian chief Seattle many times, even if as some say it was a screen play...

Apocalypso:grouphug::party:

Prolly a good thing. Seattle is a fully scorpio town. It's got lots of fun amazing stuff, but bring your vitamin d if you come. Living in Seattle is like dating a really beautiful woman who is always sick. Looking forward to taking my light saber down to CA and braving the apocalypse [snicker]

[HORIZONS]

Thank you Agape for the response - point taken!

[Mandala]

This could be "trucker hype". I like to listen to everything out there, digest and reflect. Could the PTB be afraid of their own fear porn?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qtThS2X59A

[peace]

hi. nothing will happen. have a good day. go do something.

[Hervé]

Not psychic or intuitive information but this may have some bearing on the current situation for the west coast. Several days ago Dutchsinse did a video showing all the earthquake activity around the world and he focused on how the entire ring of fire/pacific rim was experiencing 6+ quakes except for usa west coast and central america.

I believe there was a 5.8 today in central america.

Anyway ... simply suggests a building of pressure on the plate(s) that might be released on the west coast soon.

Who knows?


http://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsin.../1/0BALOHIFxyM

I certainly do not know for sure... however here are my few centimes worth:

Consider that the mid-ocean ridges are moving ocean plates away from the ridges at, let's say, 5 cm/year each side.

Now let's chose, arbitrarily, that the African + Eurasian continents are pinned and immobile. That is, the non-moving reference point.

So, if we go westward from Africa -- no subduction zones in between Africa and the Mid Atlantic Ocean ridge nor on the eastern side of the Americas -- then the North and South American continents moves away from Africa at 10 cm/year.

The above means that these 10 cm have to be "absorbed" by the subductions occurring along the Pacific Rim of Fire.

Along that Ring of Fire, the subductions occuring on its east side (along the west coasts of both North and South American continents) is slower -- let's say by 2.5 cm/year -- than the one occurring on the west side of the the Mid Pacific Ocean Ridge which itself generates another 5 cm/year motion on either side which have to be "absorbed" by the same subduction zones.

Accordingly, the Americas are moving away from Africa by 10 cm each year, the "Mid" Pacific Ridge is moving away from Africa by 12.5 cm/year hence the subduction occurring on the west side of the Pacific Ocean has to "absorb": (10 + 10) -2.5 = 17.5 cm/year

What's all that about? It simply means that the frequency and odds of a "big one" are a lot higher on the Pacific West than on the Pacific East. Since the "big ones" are occurring on the West Pacific Rim, indicative of the overlapping motion currently ocurring there; this would also indicate that no motion is necessary on the East Pacific Rim. Ergo: no big ones on the East Pacific Rim side as the tension is being released on the other side... excepted for South America.

Also consider that the above does not include the influence of the Mid Indian Oceanic Ridge.

So, northern portion of East Pacific (US West Coast) for big ones... not likely. Volcanoes, however, very likely.

Southern portion of East Pacific (South America West coast), big ones... likely.

West Pacific (Japan, Indonesia/Philppines, New Zealand), both hemispheres... one only needs to check the recent EQ records.



9978

[beyondmyctrl]

hi. nothing will happen. have a good day. go do something.

I think I 'm in love with you :)

[The Truth Is In There]

Are you saying that "in the twinkling of an eye", we will be changed? Or as I interpret it - In the blink of an eye we will be elevated to a higher stage of Consciousness, where we will experience a union with another dimension of life and reality, and be set free from the lower vibrational carnal realm.

Will ET (whatever that is exactly) bring us this new experience of life and reality, or is this something we have to do within ourselves and then manifest outwardly? OR even a combination of the two?

the illusion of time disappears when consciousness expands into infinity so it can be experienced as in "the twinkling of an eye". in a state of timelessness everyone will take as long as they need to do whatever they have to do before determining the course of their future development.

to imagine that the mere encountering of ETs, mass landings or whatever, would cause a sort of awakening or even ascension is like totally identifying with the human experience without any regard for the higher self. ETs may be thousands of years ahead in their development compared to humans but not to the souls who incarnate here. from the soul's point of view it is just an experience in a different body.

whether human or ET, what matters is the experience, not the vehicle that is used to have it. and if you no longer need a certain kind of experience you'll shift your point of view elsewhere, so ascension, happening "in the blink of an eye", is merely a shift on focus from the 3d mind to a higher expression of yourself, unless you need to continue the 3d experience for one reason or another and thus don't ascend. for those who say "nothing will happen" that's probably exactly what they'll experience because they need to. in a timeless state, without any time lapse between thought and creation you're going to "create your reality" "in the blink of an eye".

[christian]

"Expect the unexpected!"

ok.



Did we "expect" 9/11?
Did we "expect" JFK's assassination?
Did we "expect" Pearl Harbour?

Alex Jones and Bill Cooper called 9-11 out in advance, the scenario was also featured in movies and military exercises have been made.

I guess many people anticipated the JFK thing, he was not the first one to be assasinated and by what he did, his chances were good for him to be the next.

Pearl Harbor was just a logical consequence for anyone, who had knowledge about the US behaviour towards Japan during that time, directly or indirectly, the US also received warnings from foreign intelligence agencies prior to Pearl Harbour.


"110 years ago we "knew" we couldn't fly. Only hundreds of years before that and we "knew" the world was flat and the Universe revolved around the Earth. What do we really "know?"

Some knew all along...

Sorry for being off-topic :llama:

[Eric J (Viking)]

But allow me to tell you it's most probably not going to happen for quite some time yet, not the way described ,
it's not going to happen 'from outside' . Why ..


Chasing for Ships in the sky, AI that can cross solar system in blink of an eye is futile effort .

We know 'they are ' sometimes on orbit and then they're gone. They're stationed nearby and then they're gone.

Time-space distortion produces different views to the observer on Earth. What you see/feel to be presence can be a past .

We probably all speak of advanced civilisations who are thousands , maybe millions years ahead of us in evolution of technologies at the moment .

There's no way they come from planets of the same age with Earth ..or similarly advanced societies.

They come from Star systems and planets that are much older and have different time-space properties than we are accustomed to on Earth, in general .


20 years on this planet can mean an hour or two of their time. They spend few hours here and see all the chaos ..and you see few lights blinking in the sky .


Imagine driving in RolceRoyce in desert close to some aboriginee village . These people can't make any sense of what they see .

So if you really want to speak to the people and not to scare them, you need to park the car somewhere aside and come on foot , possibly looking about like them and introduce yourself .



The difference we speak about is exponentially greater . Yet, what it means is that mankind and disclosure can only happen with permision of mankind alone ,
it happens from inside .

There are emissaries of other civilisations living here and there is information available to science . Clues have been revealed to many different folks simultaneously , some were more ready than others.

Many who thought of themselves highly and to be the ready ones, freaked out and closed their ears.


Many people took it as sign for themselves ...the sign that 'they are the chosen', thinking it's their secret and their information. Again, those were not ready either .



Yes it's actually 'something' in human potential that decided the time is about right to reveal certain number of things . Then it may well mean another long time of waiting . Unless you show relevant gesture , intelligent response, next step won't be taken and so on.


There are too many people beating around the bushes anyway ..



And ..EHM..kind of ..don't worry that the folks in administrative are getting it much better or faster than you do.


:wave:

Hi Agape

That seems to me a very immature response from someone who is as spiritual as yourself and in the 'know' with the ET Agenda ...

I agree with the first part of your post...but not the second part ...

Let me explain...we all know how advanced our brother and sisters are and perhaps we can only imagine what type of technology they have...maybe!

But that has got nothing to do with when and where we should be introduced to the rest of the family , so to speak ...

Yes we would be in wonder at first (well some of us anyway) but in time we would come to accept and gain further knowledge and spiriual learning from these advanced civilisations ...I'm afraid it is inevitable that this will come , and in my opinion the sooner the better for all of mankind. We are advanced enough to

Hey have a look at this video it will open your mind a little ... of course this is on a much smaller scale ... check out the sheer wonderment in their eyes!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLvdm1JXsg

The PTB (PTW) have absolutely no right at all to withold this information (ET and life in the Universe) from us... in my opinion this is OUTRAGEOUS...to say the least ...

Yes we need to give them (ET) permission for this...but many of us do...and many more each day...the tipping point is getting closer by the day...the only reason why many folk have freaked out is because the veil has been kept over us far too long...they have kept us in the dark (PTW)... Why? greed/selfishness/control ... This is the bigger picture Agape ... Dont be hoodwinked as the why Et should and should not do ... jump out of the show...thats all it is.

What right do they have controlling our consciousness to this extent...they have not let us evolve...ET have hinted for years in the skies...They have really tried to awaken us but it has been almost impossible with the veil the ptw have on us...well almost!

So you see, in my opinion we are ready ... is that not why we are here?

It will be .... AND , HUMANITY WILL RISE

viking

[transiten]

I actually have a flight to CA scheduled 9/29 for the longevity now conference (and I have an extra ticket in case anyone wants to get their nutrition on with me).

This is a super strange thread to read after looking forward to hanging out with all the healthiest eaters in the world in a few days. What a strange time for a disaster to strike. I think I will still go though since nothing major has ever been predicted by any in these alternative circles. Prolly more likely that a ridiculous amount of well-being will be spread down there (you know what I mean if you have ever heard David Wolfe speak).

He he, this imminent disaster is not compatible with my agenda either! And by the way, my best astrocartographylines run through Seattle and Vancouver which menas i resonate with pple from that area even if i can't go there myself. In Seattle one can study astrology at the university and i've referred to the speech of Indian chief Seattle many times, even if as some say it was a screen play...

Apocalypso:grouphug::party:

Prolly a good thing. Seattle is a fully scorpio town. It's got lots of fun amazing stuff, but bring your vitamin d if you come. Living in Seattle is like dating a really beautiful woman who is always sick. Looking forward to taking my light saber down to CA and braving the apocalypse [snicker]

Hi there you trixter!

You just saved youself from being a scorpio...you know the arrow of the sag kentaur and the tail of scorpio are pointing towards the center of our galaxy and that's what 2012 is about...

Well i'm a heavy scorpio you know but with lots of mercury and moon neptune conj in libra. Ha, was sick for 2 days but am recovering and just started taking vitamin d since Gothenburg is a rainy cloudy city in winter. Also making cosmic stand-up jokes not to get sucked into the fearmongering elenin hype. Have to admit though that i'm wondering about why all these politicians are taking a time out? But what can i do? Cancel a photosession on the 27:th and go visit my father instead in case the world will come to and end and i won't see him anymore:fear:

C:mon pple, tell me, how are you preparing for what you think is coming?::drama::crazy::rain:

:peace:

[jcocks]

I don't think there's much preparing to do, as I don't believe the world will end in the way people think it will..... All our friends will still be here at the end of the year, and perhaps even past 2013... But what you might see is an increase in the death rate both natural and through disasters... I think that's the main way that people will "disappear"...

[Eric J (Viking)]

I think the only preparation you need to do is in the 'mind' ... give it a dust up and rid if all those distractive thoughts...

viking

[The Truth Is In There]

The PTB (PTW) have absolutely no right at all to withold this information (ET and life in the Universe) from us... in my opinion this is OUTRAGEOUS...to say the least ...

Yes we need to give them (ET) permission for this...but many of us do...and many more each day...the tipping point is getting closer by the day...the only reason why many folk have freaked out is because the veil has been kept over us far too long...they have kept us in the dark (PTW)... Why? greed/selfishness/control ... This is the bigger picture Agape ... Dont be hoodwinked as the why Et should and should not do ... jump out of the show...thats all it is.

What right do they have controlling our consciousness to this extent...they have not let us evolve...ET have hinted for years in the skies...They have really tried to awaken us but it has been almost impossible with the veil the ptw have on us...well almost!

So you see, in my opinion we are ready ... is that not why we are here?

It will be .... AND , HUMANITY WILL RISE

viking

i think you confuse something here. tptb don't control our consciousness, consciousness controls everything. they just play their part in the game, nothing more. EVERYTHING is just an expression of the divine. the mayan calendar describes how consciousness expands and what happens around us is the RESULT of this expansion, the expansion of consciousness is NOT the result of what happens around us.

tptb have every right to withhold information from us because we ourselves (as creators) wanted it to be that way when we came up with this great game. how could you expand your consciousness when it's already infinte? you couldn't, and so from the point of (3rd dimensional) creation onwards consciousness expands and all that happens happens because of this expansion. when you're in a state of limited consciousness, without access to your total being, and you nevertheless overcome the negativity outside and inside of yourself, then you grow. and the more negativity is around you and the more you overcome, the more you grow.

everyone and everything has its role in the game, the "positive" as well as the "negative" entities, and if you're OUTRAGED (to use your words) about that or even hate the supposedly "negative" beings you hate nothing but a part of yourself because you are everything. the key is to love everything, the "good" and the "evil" stuff, because all is an expression of the divine, but to do only that which creates love in your fellow beings who may not be as knowing as you about the true workings of the great spirit. this is a simple and yet fundamental truth, expressed one way or another by all enlightened beings but as yet really understood by very few humans.

[transiten]

There are some interesting posts in the "Death of elenin thread" Go figure.

To be able to love everything requires already being an ascended master and i'm not for sure. But harnessing both the the dark and the light sides and containing them without projecting the negative on to others might be something one can achieve here on earth if one tries very very hard. And if one doesn't succeed, the key is to forgive oneself as then it will be easier to forgive others even if you don't come to love them.

transiten

[Eric J (Viking)]

The PTB (PTW) have absolutely no right at all to withold this information (ET and life in the Universe) from us... in my opinion this is OUTRAGEOUS...to say the least ...

Yes we need to give them (ET) permission for this...but many of us do...and many more each day...the tipping point is getting closer by the day...the only reason why many folk have freaked out is because the veil has been kept over us far too long...they have kept us in the dark (PTW)... Why? greed/selfishness/control ... This is the bigger picture Agape ... Dont be hoodwinked as the why Et should and should not do ... jump out of the show...thats all it is.

What right do they have controlling our consciousness to this extent...they have not let us evolve...ET have hinted for years in the skies...They have really tried to awaken us but it has been almost impossible with the veil the ptw have on us...well almost!

So you see, in my opinion we are ready ... is that not why we are here?

It will be .... AND , HUMANITY WILL RISE

viking

i think you confuse something here. tptb don't control our consciousness, consciousness controls everything. they just play their part in the game, nothing more. EVERYTHING is just an expression of the divine. the mayan calendar describes how consciousness expands and what happens around us is the RESULT of this expansion, the expansion of consciousness is NOT the result of what happens around us.

tptb have every right to withhold information from us because we ourselves (as creators) wanted it to be that way when we came up with this great game. how could you expand your consciousness when it's already infinte? you couldn't, and so from the point of (3rd dimensional) creation onwards consciousness expands and all that happens happens because of this expansion. when you're in a state of limited consciousness, without access to your total being, and you nevertheless overcome the negativity outside and inside of yourself, then you grow. and the more negativity is around you and the more you overcome, the more you grow.

everyone and everything has its role in the game, the "positive" as well as the "negative" entities, and if you're OUTRAGED (to use your words) about that or even hate the supposedly "negative" beings you hate nothing but a part of yourself because you are everything. the key is to love everything, the "good" and the "evil" stuff, because all is an expression of the divine, but to do only that which creates love in your fellow beings who may not be as knowing as you about the true workings of the great spirit. this is a simple and yet fundamental truth, expressed one way or another by all enlightened beings but as yet really understood by very few humans.

Hi Truth ...I'm not confused at all mY freind

First of all the PTB control all the main media tv stations/Magazines/Newspapers ect ect ...so in other words they are controlling 90% of all humans thought patterns...what most folk dont realize is that with all these controlling outlets thEy control the flow of our consciousness with the control of thought patterns...do you see what I mean? ... with this in mind how easy would it be to control the populations reality ... !! Think about it...

In my opinion they have no right to control or withold information for the betterment of mankind... like I said they have witheld soooo much for only one reason ... CONTROL/GREED/SELFISHNESS ... ME ME ME!

I do love all Truth ... but that does not stop me from being OUTRAGED by the shanangans of the ptw...

viking

[Operator]

...

Consider that the mid-ocean ridges are moving ocean plates away from the ridges at, let's say, 5 cm/year each side.

Now let's chose, arbitrarily, that the African + Eurasian continents are pinned and imobile. That is, the non moving reference point.

So, if we go westward from Africa -- no subduction zones in between Africa and the Mid Atlantic Ocean ridge nor on the eastern side of the Americas -- then the North and South American continents moves away from Africa at 10 cm/year.

The above means that these 10 cm have to be "absorbed" by the subductions occurring along the Pacific Rim of Fire.

...



Hi Amzer,

Thanks for your explanation ... did you ever consider that the entire globe may be expanding (like the universe) ?
In most of the Pangaea simulations you can see all the continents drifting apart at the same time. In that case there would be
no need for absorption elsewhere. Just a thought ...

Greetings

[jcocks]

There are some interesting posts in the "Death of elenin thread" Go figure.

To be able to love everything requires already being an ascended master and i'm not for sure.



Depends on what you mean by "love everything". For instance, after I was attacked while walking home from work one night last year, I cried afterwards. Not really because of what the attackers had done to me, but because of what they had done for themselves - because I knew that, deep down, they were better than that.... They could have been doing their race and their ancestors proud instead of the shameful act that they had committed (they were Australian Aboriginals).

In a way, I was loving them, despite what they had done to me.

Now, I don't claim to be fully capable of "unconditional love" - But I'd like to think that I am a reasonable way along that path.

[Twinsel]

For me there is a innerconflict, a huge gap between knowing and experiencing/feeling.
I know life is a mirror for myself, and they answer to heal myself, healing the world is love!
But still in a rollercoaster of emotions, periods of very inner sadness and sometimes periods of hating the world, disliking myself.
It's a process, and there will be a time that knowing and feeling are gonna like eigthother and being best friends...

Thats why i leave the info for what it is, overload info for the mind anyway... Gonna focus more on my heart.
@ jcocks thumbs up ;)

[Hervé]

Hi Amzer,

Thanks for your explanation ... did you ever consider that the entire globe may be expanding (like the universe) ?
In most of the Pangaea simulations you can see all the continents drifting apart at the same time. In that case there would be
no need for absorption elsewhere. Just a thought ...

Greetings

Hi Operator,

Thanks for the thought.

Although a possibility, if any expansion does indeed exist, it is completely obliterated by the subduction zones compensating for the generation of oceanic crust at mid-oceanic ridges.

These subduction trenches have been in existence and functioning for a very long time... something like about 180 million years for the recent ones. Remnants of older ones have also been found.

[Agape]

But that has got nothing to do with when and where we should be introduced to the rest of the family , so to speak ...

Yes we would be in wonder at first (well some of us anyway) but in time we would come to accept and gain further knowledge and spiriual learning from these advanced civilisations ...I'm afraid it is inevitable that this will come , and in my opinion the sooner the better for all of mankind. We are advanced enough to

Hey have a look at this video it will open your mind a little ... of course this is on a much smaller scale ... check out the sheer wonderment in their eyes!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLvdm1JXsg

The PTB (PTW) have absolutely no right at all to withold this information (ET and life in the Universe) from us... in my opinion this is OUTRAGEOUS...to say the least ...

Yes we need to give them (ET) permission for this...but many of us do...and many more each day...the tipping point is getting closer by the day...the only reason why many folk have freaked out is because the veil has been kept over us far too long...they have kept us in the dark (PTW)... Why? greed/selfishness/control ... This is the bigger picture Agape ... Dont be hoodwinked as the why Et should and should not do ... jump out of the show...thats all it is.

What right do they have controlling our consciousness to this extent...they have not let us evolve...ET have hinted for years in the skies...They have really tried to awaken us but it has been almost impossible with the veil the ptw have on us...well almost!

So you see, in my opinion we are ready ... is that not why we are here?

It will be .... AND , HUMANITY WILL RISE

viking



Beautiful video , thank you Viking . No need to tell me about the 'big picture' , I try to look from all sides, yours as mine .

The tabu cast over our heads has less and less power .


Today I read in the news ..about the 'don't ask don't tell' gay policy has officially ended at midnight, for US army .


See here : YouTube: Airman tells dad he is gay as ‘don’t ask’ policy disappears
(http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/youtube-soldier-tells-dad-gay-don-t-ask-171332857.html)

Thine little step forwards ..:angel:

I had to smile and ask myself : IS IT VALID FOR US ETS AS WELL ? I mean 'us E.T.s' in human world ..
We go by the same rule probably, tabuized so heavily, so 'don't ask don't tell ' ?


How easy do you think it was ..for example and to this day ..to face it with human mum who expected she gave birth to another 'carbon copy' of herself and has no recall of anything extraterrestrial other than some blissful experiences ..

then had a child who was growing up totally independent of what she said and told her at the age of 13 about 'being of another world ' ? What do you think she told me that time . She told me that I'm probably ill and need to get out of it fast and get back to my homeworks.

She was protesting against each move I did ..spiritual or not . The 'model' she wanted to have it was not .

How many other moms and dads and friends and teachers and students did I meet through my life , who fell in love with my face and tried to convince me I need to be as human as they are just to make it all feel silly because they were not ready ?

And I did not know all the way along, I was not 'convinced' about anything , all I had was faint, discrete, 'spiritual' knowing of things that others did not have and some other unique abilities I still considered very human .

I did not know till I had seen it all clearly and in gala huge way in front of my eyes for several hours ..which was eternity . Else I'd not believe it .
I'd not give it a cent myself.


Now again, to tell any authority ..and beg them, please ..I have something to give you , you need to do this and that ..to receive the knowledge .
Do you think it's easy ?


Oh you think there will be Ships and Space brothers and they'll come down to tell you straight away . You don't hear me then either ..why it does not fly so far .

There are technical difficulties, biological discrepancies, time-space distortions that may seriously hurt one or both sides . Or simply distort the event .

How fragile life is...remember ...like a blade of grass.



How sensitive the situation is . You think 'we are not spiritual enough' . You are, we are . But this is not matter of who is more 'ascended' ,
this is a matter of employing very sharp intelligence and great compassion for life at the same time .


I believe you. I wish for the same . We all wish for the same but wishing is not enough ..someone has to do...




:pray:

[Draco]

has any one herd about this 6tonne stat-lite from NASA coming back to earth in between 23 September 25th, seems strange that is the dates of comet Elenin aligning inbetween ou sun , seems like a good cover for any thing we might see in that time.

[The Truth Is In There]

To be able to love everything requires already being an ascended master and i'm not for sure. But harnessing both the the dark and the light sides and containing them without projecting the negative on to others might be something one can achieve here on earth if one tries very very hard. And if one doesn't succeed, the key is to forgive oneself as then it will be easier to forgive others even if you don't come to love them.

transiten

yes if you're enlightened you'll inevitably express the unconditional love of the divine because of the direct connection, without blinders on. but even with the blinders in place, always trying to express love and to "be" love would be a sensible thing to do because of the law of attraction and because you attract the "negative" things that help you to grow as long as you need them. once you realize that certain things keep happening to you because you're supposed to change your reaction to them and then do just that they'll stop happening.

[The Truth Is In There]

Hi Truth ...I'm not confused at all mY freind

First of all the PTB control all the main media tv stations/Magazines/Newspapers ect ect ...so in other words they are controlling 90% of all humans thought patterns...what most folk dont realize is that with all these controlling outlets thEy control the flow of our consciousness with the control of thought patterns...do you see what I mean? ... with this in mind how easy would it be to control the populations reality ... !! Think about it...

In my opinion they have no right to control or withold information for the betterment of mankind... like I said they have witheld soooo much for only one reason ... CONTROL/GREED/SELFISHNESS ... ME ME ME!

I do love all Truth ... but that does not stop me from being OUTRAGED by the shanangans of the ptw...

viking

the reason why they control consciousness is because it is supposed to happen that way. without that control on humanity's consciousness it would have expanded to rapidly, more than allowed by the divine (the creator(s) of the game). as i said before, only in other words, the controlling of humanity's consciousness by tptb is not the CAUSE but the EFFECT. if tptb hadn't done it it would have happened by other means but it would have happened because the universe goes like clockwork. there must be absolutely no way for human beings or ETs or anyone to speed it up or slow it down, and those beings with full connection to the creator who could easily have prevented all of the "negativity" and "control" know this, hence there's this quarantine and rule of noninterference in place here on earth. it will be lifted the moment consciousness expands into infinity. it's all part of the plan. nothing is a coincidence.

[jcocks]

That would be all very well if there was actually a quarantine around Earth, but there is ample evidence that this so-called "quarantine" DOES-NOT_EXIST..

Also, it seems as if TPTB are allowed unfettered access to technology well in advance of what we have, are allowed access to space, and seem to be allowed to BLOCK access to these things to the everyday person. And it seems their PROPAGANDA that they are somehow given permission to do this seems to be working - at least it is on you!

You know what I think happened? I think, sometime in antiquity, god knows when, humanity was HOODWINKED into giving away its' power to people who were ultimately unworthy of having it.... And its' been a constant struggle by those members of humanity who rise above the everyday person to try and reclaim that power on behalf of the rest of humanity. It is happening, more people are waking up day by day, but it is a struggle that is not quite over yet..


It's not about anyone saving us, it's about the universe giving us a boost up, so to speak.

Think about it this way :

You are short, and there is a tall fence you wish to climb over. There is no other way through the fence but to climb it, and no way that you can climb it unaided. You do not own a ladder.
SOmeone else owns a ladder, and they will pass over the ladder to you so you may use it to climb the fence. It is still your responsibility to climb the ladder and get over the fence, as they are unable to help you climb the ladder.

Personally, I think that some time in the future, the universe will "hand us a ladder" to "climb the fence". It will still be our responsibility to climb the fence, however. That it can be any other way , IMHO, I have trouble accepting given the extent of control the PTB exert over us at this time. And, to give legitimacy to the PTBs control over us in any way is not just offensive in my view, but utterly vile and repulsive to the highest degree....

[The Truth Is In There]

And, to give legitimacy to the PTBs control over us in any way is not just offensive in my view, but utterly vile and repulsive to the highest degree....

i repeat what i said before - EVERYTHING is an expression of the divine. if you are offended and repulsed by something you're offended and repulsed by a part of yourself. when you realize that you are everything and everything is you then there's no more reason to feel offended, repulsed or whatever, you'll recognize that there is a reason for everything, a divine plan. you're not there yet but maybe soon.

[jcocks]

And, to give legitimacy to the PTBs control over us in any way is not just offensive in my view, but utterly vile and repulsive to the highest degree....

i repeat what i said before - EVERYTHING is an expression of the divine. if you are offended and repulsed by something you're offended and repulsed by a part of yourself. when you realize that you are everything and everything is you then there's no more reason to feel offended, repulsed or whatever, you'll recognize that there is a reason for everything, a divine plan. you're not there yet but maybe soon.

Yes, I see your point.

To fit it within the paradigm you refer to, I guess i can say that I see the PTB as a part of us that is not in alignment with the highest good - as do many other people. Therefore I will do what i can to transform it into something that DOES align, as is the task for all of us here.... Maybe as our level of awareness rises, the PTB will appear to lose more and more control, eventually ceasing to exist?

I have thought lately, that there must be people within the "breakaway civilization" that are working towards this goal as well (albeit _very_ quietly). It only makes sense.

[Eric J (Viking)]

But that has got nothing to do with when and where we should be introduced to the rest of the family , so to speak ...

Yes we would be in wonder at first (well some of us anyway) but in time we would come to accept and gain further knowledge and spiriual learning from these advanced civilisations ...I'm afraid it is inevitable that this will come , and in my opinion the sooner the better for all of mankind. We are advanced enough to

Hey have a look at this video it will open your mind a little ... of course this is on a much smaller scale ... check out the sheer wonderment in their eyes!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLvdm1JXsg

The PTB (PTW) have absolutely no right at all to withold this information (ET and life in the Universe) from us... in my opinion this is OUTRAGEOUS...to say the least ...

Yes we need to give them (ET) permission for this...but many of us do...and many more each day...the tipping point is getting closer by the day...the only reason why many folk have freaked out is because the veil has been kept over us far too long...they have kept us in the dark (PTW)... Why? greed/selfishness/control ... This is the bigger picture Agape ... Dont be hoodwinked as the why Et should and should not do ... jump out of the show...thats all it is.

What right do they have controlling our consciousness to this extent...they have not let us evolve...ET have hinted for years in the skies...They have really tried to awaken us but it has been almost impossible with the veil the ptw have on us...well almost!

So you see, in my opinion we are ready ... is that not why we are here?

It will be .... AND , HUMANITY WILL RISE

viking



Beautiful video , thank you Viking . No need to tell me about the 'big picture' , I try to look from all sides, yours as mine .

The tabu cast over our heads has less and less power .


Today I read in the news ..about the 'don't ask don't tell' gay policy has officially ended at midnight, for US army .


See here : YouTube: Airman tells dad he is gay as ‘don’t ask’ policy disappears
(http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/youtube-soldier-tells-dad-gay-don-t-ask-171332857.html)

Thine little step forwards ..:angel:

I had to smile and ask myself : IS IT VALID FOR US ETS AS WELL ? I mean 'us E.T.s' in human world ..
We go by the same rule probably, tabuized so heavily, so 'don't ask don't tell ' ?


How easy do you think it was ..for example and to this day ..to face it with human mum who expected she gave birth to another 'carbon copy' of herself and has no recall of anything extraterrestrial other than some blissful experiences ..

then had a child who was growing up totally independent of what she said and told her at the age of 13 about 'being of another world ' ? What do you think she told me that time . She told me that I'm probably ill and need to get out of it fast and get back to my homeworks.

She was protesting against each move I did ..spiritual or not . The 'model' she wanted to have it was not .

How many other moms and dads and friends and teachers and students did I meet through my life , who fell in love with my face and tried to convince me I need to be as human as they are just to make it all feel silly because they were not ready ?

And I did not know all the way along, I was not 'convinced' about anything , all I had was faint, discrete, 'spiritual' knowing of things that others did not have and some other unique abilities I still considered very human .

I did not know till I had seen it all clearly and in gala huge way in front of my eyes for several hours ..which was eternity . Else I'd not believe it .
I'd not give it a cent myself.


Now again, to tell any authority ..and beg them, please ..I have something to give you , you need to do this and that ..to receive the knowledge .
Do you think it's easy ?


Oh you think there will be Ships and Space brothers and they'll come down to tell you straight away . You don't hear me then either ..why it does not fly so far .

There are technical difficulties, biological discrepancies, time-space distortions that may seriously hurt one or both sides . Or simply distort the event .

How fragile life is...remember ...like a blade of grass.



How sensitive the situation is . You think 'we are not spiritual enough' . You are, we are . But this is not matter of who is more 'ascended' ,
this is a matter of employing very sharp intelligence and great compassion for life at the same time .


I believe you. I wish for the same . We all wish for the same but wishing is not enough ..someone has to do...




:pray:

Dobry Den Agape ...

Thanks for your reply...I truly understand what you are saying...

Well, a wish is the start ...in time we will get there.

viking

[AlexanderLight]

It's very hard to say if this guy's story is genuine or not. Personally, I don't think he is a real 'space-pilot', but he definitely knows something.

If I were to guess, I would say he has an inside source and this story is probably his cover. Therefore, I don't intend to question or demote it.

But I am definitely interested in what he has to say, because many things make sense.

Few years ago, I've made some serious efforts in researching the human-built 'flying saucers' and I reached the conclusion that they are absolute fact.

Also, the NASA programs do look like a cover for something bigger.

It's also plausible that the real space programs are led by the Air Force and Navy. We are a very militarized specie, after all. 'Anti-gravity' is a top-priority for any army because the capabilities of such crafts are endless.
More to this point, Elenin's survey is under Navy's badge: http://secchi.nrl.navy.mil/STEREOorbit/C2010_X1.html (see: navy.military)

Regarding 'Comet Elenin', this is definitely not an usual comet - if a comet at all. NASA gave it WAY too much attention, compared to any other comet that passed throughout our solar system in (NASA's) history. Hopefully, it's something that has to do with our true history - as the OP suggested.

One more thing, 'Bluecoat' from the chani forum is a guy pretending to be CaptainS - the OP from godlike productions. He was labeled as fraud, spreading sci-fi stories, by the true OP from Godlike Productions. Don't mind him, is not the 'real deal'.

The following pictures show a possible TR-3B or Flying triangle in flight:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Mou-gG88eRs/TniB83-d8yI/AAAAAAAABuE/cjodMYEVvC4/s1600/tr-3b+01.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7UKwwkn_VJg/TniCN8cDWeI/AAAAAAAABuI/aGJKEfkxgbU/s1600/tr-3b+02.jpg
If the OP is right, then this one is used for bellow 200,000 ft. missions only - not designed for space travel.

And here is the same type of craft or something pretty similar, during a night flight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoR0izkByAI&feature=player_embedded
Most definitely, man-made (in my opinion).

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Truth ...I'm not confused at all mY freind

First of all the PTB control all the main media tv stations/Magazines/Newspapers ect ect ...so in other words they are controlling 90% of all humans thought patterns...what most folk dont realize is that with all these controlling outlets thEy control the flow of our consciousness with the control of thought patterns...do you see what I mean? ... with this in mind how easy would it be to control the populations reality ... !! Think about it...

In my opinion they have no right to control or withold information for the betterment of mankind... like I said they have witheld soooo much for only one reason ... CONTROL/GREED/SELFISHNESS ... ME ME ME!

I do love all Truth ... but that does not stop me from being OUTRAGED by the shanangans of the ptw...

viking

the reason why they control consciousness is because it is supposed to happen that way. without that control on humanity's consciousness it would have expanded to rapidly, more than allowed by the divine (the creator(s) of the game). as i said before, only in other words, the controlling of humanity's consciousness by tptb is not the CAUSE but the EFFECT. if tptb hadn't done it it would have happened by other means but it would have happened because the universe goes like clockwork. there must be absolutely no way for human beings or ETs or anyone to speed it up or slow it down, and those beings with full connection to the creator who could easily have prevented all of the "negativity" and "control" know this, hence there's this quarantine and rule of noninterference in place here on earth. it will be lifted the moment consciousness expands into infinity. it's all part of the plan. nothing is a coincidence.


That would be all very well if there was actually a quarantine around Earth, but there is ample evidence that this so-called "quarantine" DOES-NOT_EXIST..

Also, it seems as if TPTB are allowed unfettered access to technology well in advance of what we have, are allowed access to space, and seem to be allowed to BLOCK access to these things to the everyday person. And it seems their PROPAGANDA that they are somehow given permission to do this seems to be working - at least it is on you!

You know what I think happened? I think, sometime in antiquity, god knows when, humanity was HOODWINKED into giving away its' power to people who were ultimately unworthy of having it.... And its' been a constant struggle by those members of humanity who rise above the everyday person to try and reclaim that power on behalf of the rest of humanity. It is happening, more people are waking up day by day, but it is a struggle that is not quite over yet..


It's not about anyone saving us, it's about the universe giving us a boost up, so to speak.

Think about it this way :

You are short, and there is a tall fence you wish to climb over. There is no other way through the fence but to climb it, and no way that you can climb it unaided. You do not own a ladder.
SOmeone else owns a ladder, and they will pass over the ladder to you so you may use it to climb the fence. It is still your responsibility to climb the ladder and get over the fence, as they are unable to help you climb the ladder.

Personally, I think that some time in the future, the universe will "hand us a ladder" to "climb the fence". It will still be our responsibility to climb the fence, however. That it can be any other way , IMHO, I have trouble accepting given the extent of control the PTB exert over us at this time. And, to give legitimacy to the PTBs control over us in any way is not just offensive in my view, but utterly vile and repulsive to the highest degree....

Hi Jcocks...My thoughts exactly...

viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Truth ...I'm not confused at all mY freind

First of all the PTB control all the main media tv stations/Magazines/Newspapers ect ect ...so in other words they are controlling 90% of all humans thought patterns...what most folk dont realize is that with all these controlling outlets thEy control the flow of our consciousness with the control of thought patterns...do you see what I mean? ... with this in mind how easy would it be to control the populations reality ... !! Think about it...

In my opinion they have no right to control or withold information for the betterment of mankind... like I said they have witheld soooo much for only one reason ... CONTROL/GREED/SELFISHNESS ... ME ME ME!

I do love all Truth ... but that does not stop me from being OUTRAGED by the shanangans of the ptw...

viking

the reason why they control consciousness is because it is supposed to happen that way. without that control on humanity's consciousness it would have expanded to rapidly, more than allowed by the divine (the creator(s) of the game). as i said before, only in other words, the controlling of humanity's consciousness by tptb is not the CAUSE but the EFFECT. if tptb hadn't done it it would have happened by other means but it would have happened because the universe goes like clockwork. there must be absolutely no way for human beings or ETs or anyone to speed it up or slow it down, and those beings with full connection to the creator who could easily have prevented all of the "negativity" and "control" know this, hence there's this quarantine and rule of noninterference in place here on earth. it will be lifted the moment consciousness expands into infinity. it's all part of the plan. nothing is a coincidence.

IMHO Not sure if its meant to happen this way Truth ...It could have been a whole lot better if greed/selfishness/STS had not come into play...

They know what they are doing with all that is presented to us daily...

They know the rules and they have the tools...like I said ET have gven us various tecs over the years and the PTW have chosen a different route... and its not for the benefit of mankind my friend.

Blessings and I do appreciate your feedback.

viking

[The Truth Is In There]

Maybe as our level of awareness rises, the PTB will appear to lose more and more control, eventually ceasing to exist?


i believe that that is what will happen on one "timeline" or one of the "two earths" after the split. only it won't happen gradually but instantaneously. it was a gradual process all the time, even now, but gradually increasing. on another timeline they'll gain control and power because ultimately the whole creation is balanced. i explained in another thread about the hermetic laws and the pendle - at the moment consciousness expands into infinity it will either disappear or swing into both directions simultaneously which then causes the "splitting of the two earths".

there can't be only a positive or only a negative timeline from that moment onwards because that would be an imbalance in the creation, and that is not possible. up to that point, even now, we see the pendle swing in one direction and then in the other (light and dark, war and peace, procession and recession, etc.), in a wavelike fashion, depicted by the mayan calendar. but at the moment of infinite expansion only two things can happen - either both positive and negative cancel each other out and all 3rd dimensional creation ceases to exist for everyone who experienced it, or the positive swing goes into one direction and the negative swing goes into another direction. many prophecies seem to point towards the latter theory but all we really know right now is that it will happen very very soon. everything else is just speculation at this point.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Ok this is a very long post, but go with it ...

This is the BEST publicly available data and scientific analysis, which shows that Comet Elenin has a mass 10 to 20 times larger than Earth.

The following report is offered as a public service, and contains ONLY information that is publicly available. I have no access to classified information, and am not sworn to any secrecy oaths. I have spent (wasted?) years worrying my ass off over this subject, and as a service to my fellow human beings, I'm giving you my best, and most credible, research results. My calculations show that the "comet" is very massive, but will not come CLOSE enough to Earth to cause global devastation (well, not by water, anyway!) This report includes enough data for you to calculate the "comet" mass yourself, so you don't need to trust me, or anybody else! I'm not being paid by anybody to do this, so I'm donating months of my time and research for the common good.

Millions of people are VERY worried about this "comet", and that is permitting the filthy bankers all the time they need to set us up for WWIII. Hopefully, with this new information on "comet" Elenin, we can finally set aside our main fears, and get on with the task of removing the corrupt parasites who are killing us, and our planet.

Gravitational Microlensing shown on Nasa videos

"Comet" Elenin has enough mass to cause "gravitational microlensing", as shown in the Nasa Stereo Behind videos from August 1, and August 20, 2011.

Gravitational microlensing, is the temporary brightening of a background star, as the "comet" passes directly in front of the star. That brightening is CLEARLY shown in both the Nasa Stereo Behind videos, and was witnessed by two amateur astronomers. If you watch the August 20th video, you will see the background star "glom" onto Elenin, get much brighter, and smear out into a 90 degree arc (also, the brightest frame was deleted before public release.) The overall brightness of the two, superimposed, is MUCH brighter than each of them separately. It is better to download the large jpegs directly from Nasa here [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov] To download the jpegs, select telescope=>HI1, resolution=1024x1024, start date=20110820, end date=leave blank, click "search". Then, click "download all Behind HI1". You will have to step through each jpeg, or assemble them into a video, to see the brightening of the background star.

Or, if you don't want to download the high res jpegs, you can watch this youtube in full screen mode. The brightening happens on August 20, which is the only time it passes over a distinct star. [link to www.youtube.com]

Nasa has a short animation explaining "gravitational microlensing", and it shows how they use it to discover large, dark planets. Please watch this short video, to understand the importance of the Nasa and YouTube videos. Note that this technique works better when the dark object is far away, but it still works even with super-close "comet" Elenin, which indicates a large mass.

video title: NASA - Lone Planet Under a Cosmic Magnifying Glass [link to www.nasa.gov]

The brightening effect is also clearly shown in the Nasa August 1 video here [link to spaceobs.org] Right click the GIF, save it, and re-open it in your browser, or a graphics program, then play it with 8X magnification. You can easily see the background star "glom" onto Elenin, form an arc, and get much brighter. It gets so much brighter, that the detector saturates, and goes to solid white. This increase is absolute proof of the high mass of the front lensing object.

The fact that the background star was not dimmed by the coma of the "comet", but instead, was made brighter as Elenin passed in front of it, is PROOF that Elenin is NOT A COMET! It is also proof of the large mass of Elenin. No more discussion or speculation is needed on those topics, unless the Nasa videos can be proven to be faulty.

It is amazing to me, that no one has mentioned this lensing effect. "Real" astronomers spotted it immediately, but are keeping mum about it. Probably many of them have already done the calculations, as shown, below.

The gravitational microlensing effect happens quickly and disappears quickly if the massive object is moving in front of a distant star. Spirals and bright "C" shapes are commonly seen in gravitational microlensing. The arcs of light are known as "Einstein Rings". Comet Elenin is now moving rapidly over the background stars, so the Einstein rings would appear for only a minute, just as witnessed, below. Without a large aperture telescope, and a fast exposure, the rings cannot be imaged. Instead, with a small telescope, and long exposure, the rings will show up, as described in the video (below), looking like the spindle spacer of a 45 rpm record.

Nasa has made 2200 observations of Comet Elenin, and has published NONE of the still images! Probably, many of their images show gravitational microlensing, so they CANNOT show their own images, without disclosing the large mass of the object.

Amateur astronomers have also witnessed the gravitational lensing effect, such as youtuber "ThePerfectMinds" (Francis Walsh), and CRU4T, formerly a member of the Terral Croft group.

Francis Walsh witnessed "a spiral" around Comet Elenin on June 30, using the robotic telescopes in Mayhill, New Mexico (Global Rent a Scope).

Here is the youtube where Francis Walsh discusses seeing the "Einstein ring" spiral - fast forward to 4:11, and also to 17:45. (He is NOT an astronomer! He had NO IDEA of what he was seeing!!!)

video title: Comet Elenin Report 20110630 by Nibiru Tracker 2012 "I Saw a Spiral" C/2010 X1 "contour" view [link to www.youtube.com]


Red Fireball and moons seen in telescope

Here is another youtube where Francis shows what Comet Elenin looks like with a red filter. It is HUGE, red, and angry looking. But, with blue or green filters, it looks small and dim. The ancient warnings (Kolbrin, etc) say the planet killer is a fiery red color.

Fast forward to 9:13. When he sees the giant red blob of Elenin, he panics and suddenly pulls his camera down, muttering something about having to clean the lens! It makes you wonder if he was told to NOT show a giant red blob. Francis is probably a gate-keeper, as he NEVER gives the coordinates, so no one else can verify his observations. Most likely he is being paid to be the go-to guy for real time images for the sheeple - a classic gate-keeping operation. He knows literally nothing about astronomy, so why he is so deep into it, is a real mystery.

video title: NEW! Latest Comet Elenin image enhancement inspection "33" of 20110722 [link to www.youtube.com]

In the same video, at 17:30, he captured what looks like FOUR MOONS orbiting the central body: [link to www.youtube.com]

New images from Australia show a sudden brightening, just look at the August 29 series. You'll see a sudden bright blob, even though the coma stays the same: [link to members.westnet.com.au]

Here is a video being pushed by Leonid Elenin (CIA disinfo guy), showing the "comet" traveling BETWEEN stars, not over them. Obviously, there is NO lensing effect, unless the "comet" moves directly in front of a star. [link to www.youtube.com]

Various astronomers are saying the "comet" is disintegrating, mostly based on it's suddenly getting brighter, then darker, as they assume the ball of ice is vaporizing into ice crystals. However, the author thinks the lensing effect may explain the brightening, and darkening. The lack of an appreciable coma is consistent with a high gravity object.

All the talk about Comet Elenin turning and breaking up is just "ignant". The shockwave that supposedly hit the "comet" was just a lens flare (internal lens reflection) caused by the brightness of Jupiter, to the right. The slowing and turning of Elenin is caused by it rotating directly away from the Stereo B satellite, due to it's natural orbit. Sorry, but no breakup, and no intelligent "control" there. I wish it was...


"Comet" mass calculation

Now, the big question is, WHAT IS THE MASS (and what will it do to Earth at the expected distance)? By measuring the apparent angular size of the brightening area around the "comet", compared to its normal size, the mass of the gravity lens can be calculated.

Then, after the mass is known, by doing a simple (mass/radius squared) comparison with Earth's Moon, we can calculate how high the ocean tides will be. That will tell us how many BILLIONS of people could die when this thing gets close to earth, and what the safe elevation MIGHT be.

Both calculations are easy to do for an astrophysicist, but ONLY if the exact angular sizes are available. Since we only have some crappy video frames to go by, the following mass calculation is only A ROUGH ESTIMATE!

Using the equation for the angle of deflection of light in a gravitational field:

theta = {4GM}/{rc^2} which can be re-arranged to:

M = {theta(rc^2)}/{4G}

And, assuming the "comet" to be a point source of gravity, all we need to figure out is the angle of bend of the light, as it travels from the distant star, and is bent around the "comet" to reach our eye. Since the star is many light years away, let's just say the incident light rays are parallel. So, theta is going to be the angle between where the light WAS going (parallel rays) and where the light is bent to reach us (or Stereo B). Another way to get that angle is to measure the angle to the bright outer edge of the nucleus, compared to the angle to the outside of the einstein ring (depending on parallax errors). So, looking at the latest Nasa video (Aug 1), we can see the diameter of the bright part of the "comet" roughly quadruples when the lensing takes place. The hi res jpegs from the Aug 20 Nasa Stereo Behind video do not show a clear widening, just a great increase in brightness, so the Aug 1 spaceobs gif was used for the widening estimate. From the Aug 29 photo on [link to members.westnet.com.au] we can estimate the size of the bright nucleus to be 0.1 arc minutes, since it is roughly 1% of the width of the picture, and the picture is 10 arc minutes wide. So, lensing causes a bright area of 4 X 0.1 arc minutes = 0.4 arc minutes, for a radius of 0.2 arc minutes. So, the angle of the bend is the difference between the two (depending on parallax), or .2' minus .05' = .15'. We still need "r", which is the radius of the brightened area. The bright part of the nucleus is about 4000 meters wide, or a radius of 2000 meters. So, if it gets four times wider when it brightens, "r" is four times 2000 meters, or 8000 meters. We also have to convert .15 arc minutes to radians, which is (.15 X PI)/(180 X 60) = 4.36 X 10^-5 radians. Now, we have enough data to calculate the mass of "comet" elenin:

M = {theta(rc^2)}/{4G}
M = {(0.15 arcminute X 3.14 radians/180 degrees) X (1 degree/60 arcminutes) X ( 8000 meters X (3 X 10^8 meters/second)^2)} / {4(6.673 X 10^-11 NM^2Kg^-2)M}, and using 1 N = (kg X m)/sec^2,
and so, (drum roll please)
M = 1.18 X 10^26 kg

This is TWENTY TIMES THE MASS OF EARTH!!! Earth's mass is 5.97 x 10^24 kg. Remember, this is a very crude estimate, based on a very grainy video, but it shows THIS "COMET" AIN'T NO EFFIN COMET!!!

One more calculation, let's say the "comet" only widens by twice, not four times, as we just calculated. What is the mass if bright ring of the "comet" only doubles? Since the "r" term is linear, the mass of the "comet" is still ten times the mass of the Earth! Even if the "comet" is only one times the mass of Earth, we are still guaranteed some real troubles in the next few months.

Please, feel free to tear up my calculation, and show where I've made some dreadful mistake(s). I will be VERY HAPPY to have someone PROVE this number is much too high!!!


High tide calculation

How high will the ocean tides be, if the "comet" has a mass twenty times greater than Earth?

Earth's moon has a mass of 7.35 × 10^22 kg, and orbits Earth at a distance of .0024 AU. The "comet" may have a mass of 1.18 X 10^26 kg, or 1,600 times the mass of the moon. The "comet" will be .234 AU from Earth on Oct 17th, or 100 times farther than the moon. If the normal ocean high tide is about 3 feet, with only the moon, what will the high tide be when the "comet" is nearest to the Earth? Since the force of gravity is given by F = (G X M1 X M2)/(d ^ 2), then we can compare the gravitational pull of the moon, to the gravitational pull of the "comet", then use that to compare the high tides. Since the Earth's mass is not changing, we can forget about the M1 term, and the G term is constant too. So, let's use F = M2/d^2 for the comparison, and forget about the units since we only care about the ratio. For the moon, F = (7.35 x 10^22) / (.0024 ^2) = 1.28 X 10^28. For the "comet", F = (1.18 X 10^26) / (.234 ^2) = 2.15 X 10^27.

Taking the ratio, the gravitational pull from the "comet" will be 0.17 times the pull from the moon! Thank God!!! This means there will be no increased high tides in the oceans of the world. Even though the "comet" is more massive, the greater distance means the gravitational pull is only 17% of the pull of the moon! Please check my numbers. I assume no liability in making this calculation! But, THANK GOD, if it is correct!

PLUS, if the pull is that small, how in the hell can we have the entire crust of Earth shift??? Huh? Huh? I've worried my ass off, over this thing, for years, and it only has a pull of .17 of the moon? Please show me where my mistake(s) are! And God FORBID that there is anything coming in behind the damn "comet"!

If the "comet" is only 10 to 20 Earth masses, it does not account for the earthquakes happening when the Earth is lined up between "it" and the sun. So, there might just be another, more massive object, coming in behind the "comet". However, if that was the case, the "comet" would have an irregular, unpredictable orbit, which would already be detected. It SEEMS the incoming "comet" has a extremely long period parabolic orbit, and doesn't appear to be orbiting anything else.

So, it appears the oceans will stay put, but we still have the coronal mass ejections to worry about. In other words, the Earth can still be baked to death in Oct/Nov as the "comet" pulls ahead of Earth. That should be the focus for further research.

It seems like someone gave it a little shove, about a thousand years ago, to make sure Earth could get through this unscathed.

Let's hope these calculations are pretty close, and that we don't need to worry about the next topics. However, I've included them anyway, just in case the calculations are badly wrong :-(

Radio Signal from the "comet"

The reported radio signal coming from "comet" elenin, matches EXACTLY the type of signal given off by a pulsar, just like the pulsar inside the Crab Nebula. Click the third play arrow to hear what the Crab Nebula pulsar sounds like: [link to www.jb.man.ac.uk] However, elenin also has the plasma streams from the sun causing the low frequency, human voice, like sounds. The frequency spectrum shows that the supposed "comet" radio signal has a broadband of frequencies, all the way to 0 Hz, just like a true pulsar signal. That suggests the signal probably came from a real pulsar in space.

A pulsar is a fast spinning, neutron star, with a mass between 1.5 and 5 solar masses, according to current physics models. Here is a video describing neutron stars and pulsars: [link to www.youtube.com]

If the radio signal is real, that is the worst possible news for Earth, as a neutron star will totally wipe the Earth clean, then pull Earth into a wider orbit as it leaves in early November. The last passing of this object changed our year, from 360 days, to 365 1/4 days, according to many ancient texts. (That's why there are 360 degrees in a circle) Let us all pray that it is not a neutron star. The most important thing, right now, is to find out if the radio signal is genuine. If it is real, then the "comet" may actually be a neutron star!

Personally, I think it is now impossible for it to be a neutron star, as all the inner planets would be spinning off into elliptical orbits. So, at this late date, we can pretty much say that the pulsar type radio signal is likely to be just another scare tactic from the desperate illuminati criminals, or it's just a dumb joke from some astonomy student. Anyway, we'll see very soon if the orbits get perturbed. Till then, the pulsar signal is probably fake.

You've got to admit, it's kind of funny, the internet researchers are now trying to decipher some human speech in the radio signal, when instead, they should be listening to the lawnmower sound, to determine WHICH known pulsar, if any, has produced that audio. I can imagine the global elites having a good laugh at the sheeple over that one. "Touche', Lord Evelyn, you never overestimate them, do you? ha ha ha." Apparently, they have a law, according to THEIR god, that they have to warn us first, before killing us. Well, that radio signal may be the best warning we can ever get (if it's real). Their law doesn't say it has to be an obvious warning, though.

One example of a hidden illuminati warning is the new Texas license plate. The new license plate CLEARLY shows the red destroyer planet, so texans see the warning dozens of times a day, but never realize what it means! Of course, the New Mexico license plate has shown the "planet of the crossing" for years, but now even the Texas plate shows an up close image of it.


US Navy Space Command disinfo

What a perfect time for a disinfo attack, when a possible pulsar signal is coming from the "comet" elenin! The comforting posts from the "US Navy Space Command - I've been to Elenin" guy, are partly true, but the part about Elenin being a benign and beautiful teacher, fits the pattern of coverups coming from the global elites (Sheldan Nidle, SayLooser, "ascension" pushers). Let's face it, they are NOT giving up their hope of wiping out 93% of the human race (their target is 500 million survivors), so they can reign SUPREME for another 3,600 (or 11,800) years.

Just as Leonid Elenin "discovered" the "comet", now the US Navy Space Command guy was warning about the pulsar signal BEFORE it was discovered. That is a common intelligence/mind control technique to manage the flow of information. Posts like this one, are a real headache for those assholes.

The biggest problem with the "US Navy Space Command" guy, is the way he posted. If you are really in fear for your safety, you don't hang around for hours posting, posting, posting. Instead, you type up your main message as clearly as possible, and post it all in one go. Also, violating your DoD clearance is a life and death matter, which nobody takes lightly. So, that shows the Comet Elenin "type E asteroid" story is just disinfo, designed to make sure the herd does not stampede the rancher to death. (Ain't it about time for a good stampede?)

His postings show how good disinfo is done. Most of these paid shills don't understand good disinfo. They are pitiful morons, like the people who WILL criticize this analysis without understanding it first. To do good disinfo, you disclose REAL truths, then insert your single talking point somewhere in the middle. Plus, of course, bring the reader to an emotional crescendo, THEN spring the disinfo on them, when the brains' defenses are down due to the emotional state. So, hats off to the US Navy Space guy, as that was a pretty good delivery about how harmless this E class asteroid is. The blood of billions of people will be on your hands, you paid disinfo whore. May you, and your handlers, rot, slowly, in Hell.

Speaking of navy disinfo, this question is directed to Terral Croft: Hey Terral! Why do you trust the John Moore retired navy guy's map, when one of the safe places they were given is 100 miles downwind of the Yellowstone caldera? Surely, if that is not a safe zone, then maybe Arkansas is not safe either? The Rockefellers want to get rid of anyone with knowledge of the free energy/antigravity technologies, and that is one way to do it.

The ruling bloodlines have been through this "comet" passing twice before. That is how they got on top. That is how they stay on top. They know what will happen, and when it will happen. Their only problem THIS TIME is the internet. They are very afraid that even their own bodyguards will put them down, like rabid dogs, for the good of humanity. The TRUE power now lies in the hands of those bodyguards, and even the elite know it. That is why the Seal Team Six mass murder was such a mistake. The elites ALWAYS get rid of their helpers quietly and secretly. They broke protocol on that one!


Astronut disinfo

The main thing that stopped the rising panic over "comet" Elenin this summer, was Astronut's post on GLP: "Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at 0.002 AUs distance" link Thread: Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at 0.002 AUs distance Astronut said: "On May 20th (Friday), C/2010 X1 (Elenin) passed within 0.002 AUs of an asteroid in the asteroid belt known as 1999 RQ176... According to astrometry it was detected at..."

Well, what exactly does "according to astrometry" mean? It means that after he took the SINGLE telescope stacked image, he emailed the SINGLE image to a Flickr Yahoo group (link [link to www.flickr.com] who supposedly told him what the coordinates of the objects were. By using a "blind astrometry solver", which is star charting software, this mysterious group came up with exactly the right answer to show the "comet" had no effect on the asteroid. I do not think any of that evidence is credible, as we have only Astronut's word on this (no other witnesses!), and who knows what, or if, the Flickr group emailed back. For instance, the "results" data from Flickr, shown here [link to www.flickr.com] only located the center of the image, and have NOTHING to do with the coordinates that Astronut quotes in his post. He claims, of course, the coordinates they returned confirm the comet had no effect on the asteroid.

Astronut's biggest mistake was not taking another, delayed image, to prove he was actually looking at the nearly invisible, 3 Km wide rock, and not just a very faint star. Without a second photo, he, or Flickr, could have picked a faint star in the right area, and said "see it's in exactly the right spot - no effect from elenin at all". So, with only a SINGLE image used to find the very faint asteroid, Astronut's measurement is COMPLETELY BOGUS!!!

Also, Astronut has a history of showing up, like clockwork, to debunk any real data on "comet" elenin. He has stated many times, over and over: "the comet is not a threat." He is not an investigator, he already knows the answer, and he is pushing an agenda. Why the hell should any normal person CARE what somebody else thinks about a comet???

In one of his Comet Elenin posts, he did not realize that Google Sky used infrared images from the year 2007, instead, he SOMEHOW thought they were real time images. Then, after being caught, he edited his post to delete his stupid mistake. That proved to me, that he knows nothing about astronomy, that he's worried about his credibility, and that he's just another paid disinfo shill. So, to take ONLY his word, that the asteroid was NOT affected by "comet" elenin, is a very risky bet (I'd take 100 to 1 on that action).

The discoverer of the "comet", Leonid Elenin, did the exact SAME measurement of the asteroid as Astronut did, but about 21 hours earlier, and used the exact same Flickr Yahoo astrometry group to determine the position of both objects (small world, huh?). Leonid Elenin came up with slightly different position values compared to Astronut, presumably because the measurements were 21 hours apart. No surprises there, Leonid Elenin found the asteroid was in exactly the right spot to prove the "comet" has essentially no gravitational pull. Maybe Astronut and Leonid Elenin are working for the same manager? Maybe they are the same guy? Here is Leonid Elenin's asteroid measurement [link to www.youtube.com] Now, to Astronut's credit, at least his telescope image shows the date and time. For some reason the image from Leonid Elenin has been cropped to remove the date and time. Little things like that really hurt a scientist's credibility, and it should. Most CCD deep sky imagers take a PC monitor shaped rectangular image, so why would he crop it down, as that will only hurt the accuracy of the astrometry position measurement. I smell a couple of rats, or maybe just one big rat?

If the 1999 RQ176 asteroid could be located and imaged now, then the Elenin mass could be confirmed. Also, the orbit of Mercury may have been changed since mercury passed between Elenin and the Sun in early July. If Mercury still has a normal orbit, then I'm wrong, and I will be overjoyed! But, we are now seeing big disturbances in the solar system, so a change in the orbit of Mercury is likely. Please post orbital data on Mercury, if you have it (and I don't mean Nasa sourced data, but direct observations).

The evidence is becoming convincing, that Comet Elenin MAY BE a massive object, that the Earth MAY BE wiped clean by wind and water, shaken, drowned, and baked to death this October/November 2011. Also, the orbit of Earth COULD BE changed after the close flyby. Depending on the mass, the orbit of earth could become elliptical, and much farther from the sun. A planetary freeze would explain why the deep underground hotels are set up for a long term stay.


Gravity node rings causing Earth to ring like a bell

Every few days, the entire Earth has an identical earthquake waveform travel from east to west, north to south, and pole to pole. In effect,the entire Earth "rings like a bell". See the charts here: [link to aslwww.cr.usgs.gov] This is further evidence of a massive object approaching from space. Supposing that a massive object is spinning, and nearing earth, a little known physical force becomes important. That unknown force is called the Lens-Thirring effect, where a spinning object in space causes the spacetime around it to twist or rotate with the massive body. However, as Stan Deyo revealed a few years ago, the Lens-Thirring effect also causes "gravity node rings". These rings are places of increased gravitational force, and are the "troughs" where the planets are located now, each one sitting in a gravity node ring caused by the rotation of our sun. The point here, is that, when the entire Earth as the same earthquake waveform, it is because the Earth is passing through one of the gravity node rings created by the incoming "comet". It would be helpful for someone to graph the frequency and intensity of the whole Earth earthquakes, as that could help reveal the position and movement of the incoming massive object.

An incoming magnetic mass, 20 times the mass of Earth, would explain the increasing earthquakes, the entire planet ringing like a bell, the disappearing magnetic field, the changing earth axis, the solar flares, the increasing asteroids and meteors, the heating planets, the increase in the moon's eccentricity, the shutdown of the SETI antenna arrays, the expansion of the hollow earth, and the gaps in human history. It would also explain the Mayan calendar, and how all nine "ages" simultaneously end on October 28th, 2011.

October 28th MAY be the worst time for Earth, as we MAY be baked by a coronal mass ejection pulled from the sun by the huge mass in front of Earth. We won't need 5000 foot tides, if the air temperature is 160 degrees fahrenheit, to still have a global cataclysm. Also, if Earth's orbit elongates, it will be game over, as our planet will become a deep freeze, like Mars. May the Creator grant us mercy, that these things will not happen!


Nuclear poisoning of entire planet

Still, the worst issue concerning an ELE/dwarf star scenario, is manmade. The worst issue is NOT the pole shift and global devastation, but the fact that the spent fuel pool of EVERY nuclear reactor on earth, will go dry, and rapidly proceed to combustion/aerosol/smoke. This amount of radiation will kill ALL of the northern hemisphere, and possibly the southern hemisphere as well, with only cockroaches and grass surviving. That is the REAL concern for an ELE event in October/November, 2011, which no one is talking about. This is the reason, we must use our focus and intention, and every other power we have, to stop such events.

As a precaution, ALL NUCLEAR PLANTS SHOULD BE PUT IN COLD SHUTDOWN RIGHT NOW! All cool fuel rods should be dispersed, and moved to underground storage, if possible.

Perhaps it is already too late, was too late, when the spent fuel was created in the first place. The Rockefeller group should be rounded up and put on trial, as they are the architects of the nuclear nightmare we now face. They have suppressed free energy technology for decades to maintain their control, and have known about the dwarf star since 1983 (IRAS), but kept it classified. All the while, increasing the amount of nuclear waste that will burn when the pole shift happens. They are the prime movers in this global genocide, and should be arrested and put on public trial. Now, it is clear why they have spent trillions of OUR MONEY, on deep underground hotels. They know the long lasting radiation is coming.

The Rockefeller/Bush crime syndicate planned to be in South America by now, but they are being stopped from leaving by the white hats in the US military. Top scumbag, David Rockefeller took his entire progeny (four generations!) to northern India last year, upwind of Fukushima, and no one has seen him since. Yes, even Bill Clinton is really a Rockefeller, as Winthrop Rockefeller (governor of Arkansas) was his biological father. So, The USA has been run by the Rockefeller/Bush crime syndicate since 1963 (daddy Bush killed JFK, baby Bush killed JFK jr).

By suppressing the information, that the Earth MAY be wiped clean in the next few months, the ruling elite are harming mankind in another way, perhaps an even worse way. By NOT letting us know of the danger, they are depriving mankind of a major opportunity for spiritual growth, for a greater connection with the Creator(s), for a united planet, and for a global renaissance if the events do not occur. And, if they do occur, then, instead of a period of humility and growth, there will be anger and barbarity. Without being warned of the danger, the world continues with the usual reptilian mind games, instead of coming together as a single species, and standing together, to face the danger. The ruling elites can always be expected to choose the path that is most harmful for mankind, and this situation is no exception.

All of us need to spend some quiet time, to send the message of our intention, that it is NOT OK for our planet to be destroyed like this. We will do whatever is required to fix the problems on our planet (free energy for all, trials/executions for all zionist satanists, no more predation of our home, Earth). We DO NOT give permission for our world to be destroyed. You can call it prayer if you wish, but please, let's all send our intention, and our belief that we should stay here, to correct the errors of the past. The horrible state of our world is not our fault individually, instead, it is a result of the zionist/parasite satanists that infest our lovely home. We will deal with them severely, if we have enough time to do so.

Why was this written and posted? Based on the evidence, there is a REAL possibility of BILLIONS of people dying needlessly in the next few months. This event will be the greatest crime our planet has ever seen. Mankind must be warned, and we must be aware of this conspiracy, so the mass murderers can be brought to justice.

Let's see how long this thread stays up, before it quietly disappears. If this post and the youtube videos are taken down, it is confirmation of this info! You might want to save this post, and youtubes, just in case.

I just want to be wrong about all this, and have the "comet" pass by harmlessly, but the evidence keeps pointing to a real threat. If we are still alive and well, by the fall of 2013, it is because we have been given a second chance to get it right.

Best wishes to the good souls of Earth!

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1640482/pg1

~~~~~~~~

viking

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

It's very hard to say if this guy's story is genuine or not. Personally, I don't think he is a real 'space-pilot', but he definitely knows something.

If I were to guess, I would say he has an inside source and this story is probably his cover. Therefore, I don't intend to question or demote it.

But I am definitely interested in what he has to say, because many things make sense.

Few years ago, I've made some serious efforts in researching the human-built 'flying saucers' and I reached the conclusion that they are absolute fact.

Also, the NASA programs do look like a cover for something bigger.

It's also plausible that the real space programs are led by the Air Force and Navy. We are a very militarized specie, after all. 'Anti-gravity' is a top-priority for any army because the capabilities of such crafts are endless.
More to this point, Elenin's survey is under Navy's badge: http://secchi.nrl.navy.mil/STEREOorbit/C2010_X1.html (see: navy.military)

Regarding 'Comet Elenin', this is definitely not an usual comet - if a comet at all. NASA gave it WAY too much attention, compared to any other comet that passed throughout our solar system in (NASA's) history. Hopefully, it's something that has to do with our true history - as the OP suggested.

One more thing, 'Bluecoat' from the chani forum is a guy pretending to be CaptainS - the OP from godlike productions. He was labeled as fraud, spreading sci-fi stories, by the true OP from Godlike Productions. Don't mind him, is not the 'real deal'.

The following pictures show a possible TR-3B or Flying triangle in flight:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Mou-gG88eRs/TniB83-d8yI/AAAAAAAABuE/cjodMYEVvC4/s1600/tr-3b+01.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7UKwwkn_VJg/TniCN8cDWeI/AAAAAAAABuI/aGJKEfkxgbU/s1600/tr-3b+02.jpg
If the OP is right, then this one is used for bellow 200,000 ft. missions only - not designed for space travel.

And here is the same type of craft or something pretty similar, during a night flight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoR0izkByAI&feature=player_embedded
Most definitely, man-made (in my opinion).

Flying triangles? This is a guy you should read about and listen to.

Edgar Fouche, a former Senior Enlisted man with the US Air Force (E8) and defense contractor, joins us to discuss his knowledge of classified aircraft development and in particular the "reverse engineered" TR-3B.

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ef&action=display&thread=9014&page=1

Read more: http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi#ixzz1YgQ7lPIB

[Lifebringer]

viking if you google.com/sky then type mercury, click on the infrared, you'll see some very strange or familiar things going on in our entire universe. Click off the infrared you see the visible eye, with the infrared, you see what NASA sees and every other observatory allowed to see it. I've been following this same "mercury planted point" for the last two months and at first, it was NIBIRU surounded by a black hue and bright blue core center. But NOW? Oh, wow, the universe is in full gear and making the ascension energies wrap around us.

It's really amazing with the infrared and gold and red hues as well as bright white light in a wave pattern, but the powers that were, have blocked some slashes of sky that is in a triangular pattern darting with the wave.
Avalonians, I highly recommend it.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Cheers Lifebringer... web site here ...

http://www.google.com/sky/

viking

[ThePythonicCow]

This report has already been posted and discussed on a couple other threads. The discussion has evolved sufficiently far on those other threads that merging this thread in would be disruptive.

So I will post links here to the other posts mentioning this article, and then close this thread, inviting everyone interested to continue with the discussion following one of the following links:

The death of Comet Elenin : a return to rationality? -- Post #344 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=310366&viewfull=1#post310366)
Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates. -- Post #1296 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=310446&viewfull=1#post310446)
The death of Comet Elenin : a return to rationality? -- Post #353 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=310721&viewfull=1#post310721)

[AlexanderLight]

E.W.O., thanks bro! I also think Edgar Fouche is genuine. He brought a ton of evidence to back up his military background and according to important amateur scientists researching 'anti-gravity' his claims are the most plausible for achieving it.

Peace to all!

[Agape]

Dobry Den Agape ...

Thanks for your reply...I truly understand what you are saying...

Well, a wish is the start ...in time we will get there.

viking

I think you could lift the ''don't ask don't tell '' policy on ETs for starters ..

or go on playing silly and leave it to the bigger boys ..I wish you well though ..

D notice , great :haha:

[TargeT]

E.W.O., thanks bro! I also think Edgar Fouche is genuine. He brought a ton of evidence to back up his military background and according to important amateur scientists researching 'anti-gravity' his claims are the most plausible for achieving it.

Peace to all!

show this to those "amateur scientists" and the'll have nothing left to research:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8797-A-New-Era-in-Physics-Anti-Gravity-Cold-Fusion-Explained-In-Detail--video-series-

:faint2:

[aviators]

I know this topic has been around the block and been sensationalized to death with alternative news media:cool:
But could someone please shine some light on this Stereo B thing. What exactly is this
object being pointed out in this video? One thing I think is strange about this whole Elenin story is that main stream news doesn't seem to report on it. They have reported
on the junk satellite falling to earth. The big alignment for Elenin is the 27th Tuesday ?
Please someone tell me this Youtuber is full of S%#T.
Maybe Richard Hoagland is right about it:confused: being somekind of Time Capsule. He is speaking about it this weekend at the awake and aware conference.

Best Regards Peace on Earth

xnVSZwzuMzs

[crosby]

hi aviators, welcome to avalon. i'm thinking that this is not elenin. it is quite possible that this is what is referred to as planet x, nibiru etc. however, there is so much disinformation bouncing about that i'm not sure if anybody really knows what is what anymore. the only thing that i can confirm to you is that it is indeed a very large object.
warmest regards, corson

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hmmm??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U8McNXLae0

viking

[Mod-edit - video not embedded - see Post #40 - Paul.]

[the trojan]

well he states that it is footage from a private telescope.
so I will be watching with interest.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

I'm more interested why he hasn't used a programme like Record My Desktop to capture the screen.
Jittery blurred objects is a classic shill tactic along with his total lack of backup information.

[kersley]

Viking....
We need you to keep on top of this. keep us informed please !!!
kersley

[Eric J (Viking)]

Found this ...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtVJ5KFdGUU

viking

[Mod-edit - video not embedded - see Post #40 - Paul.]

[passiglight]

Considering how much allegiance you show to the ascended crew viking,,,,,,,,how come your posting this stuff ??

After all ,, they have made it well clear that Nibiru will cause no problems,,,,,

[Daft Ada]

http://digitaljournal.com/article/311009

[Realeyes]

Hi viking,
Thank you so very much for the two video links - WOW. Space is coming alive before our very eyes - these sure are exciting times! I look forward to your next finds on this subject.

[Bill Ryan]

Hmmm??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U8McNXLae0&feature=player_embedded#!

viking

Viking, please stop posting this nonsense. Because that's what it is. If you can't see that, you should not be here.

Anyone who thinks that a tiny comet 5 miles across might be 'hiding' a brown dwarf several times the size of Jupiter does not understand basic astronomy (or basic common sense).

(Am I irritated? Yes, I am.)

Avalan's purpose is is not to be a repository for every silly theory uploaded to YouTube by people who do not understand what they're looking at or reading. What would happen in that case is that any meaningful discussion is drowned out and rational members leave. That's not helpful. :)

[Eric J (Viking)]

Have you got a problem with me Bill?? Just wondered>>>

Irritated??? Why?? you need to look at other posters as well as myself, as in time we all post nonsense ...as I am sure you are aware there is nonsense on most forums...including here... and that goes for yourself... CHARLES?? ring a bell...??

There are all sorts of stories floating around the internet about Elenin and Nibiru ... and its up to us to sift through and find out what is truth and what is not, which at times is very very difficult for all of us...none of us here have all the answers ... NONE!

Blessings

viking

[aviators]

Very Large object indeed. If you watch the video earth is just a spec.
Surely if this object is between us (the earth) and the sun. WE should be able
to see it in the sky now. Unless it is directly at our south pole. Early reports
on Elenin said it was to come in from the south.

[Omni connexae!]

"I seen something I don't understand...

...therefore: NIBIRU!! :typing:"

:rolleyes:

[Bill Ryan]

Have you got a problem with me Bill??

Not personally. I appreciate all your good intentions. But the effect you create is not helpful. You're spreading misinformation. That's what the CIA does.


Irritated??? Why??

Another silly Elenin thread. While the global economy may be about to go into meltdown. And while something very heavy may be about to go down next week or the week after that (no, nothing to do with Elenin or imagined 'alignments').

Kerry told me a chilling story last night which was 100% authentic and which fits with what I am perceiving. That will take more time to relay than I have now, but it may be important. We do not understand what this is about yet.

In my strong opinion, those with attention on Elenin are very probably being distracted while things are happening elsewhere. We all need to wake up and be very clear and focused.


CHARLES?? ring a bell...??

Charles' early information was largely and generally true. I did quite a good job in reporting a genuine whistleblower - although he had an agenda which changed in November 2010. After that, managing the chess game became rather more tricky and dangerous.


There are all sorts of stories floating around the internet about Elenin and Nibiru ... and its up to us to sift through and find out what is truth and what is not

Then, if you will allow me to say it this way, you're falling behind the pace.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Kerry told me a chilling story last night which was 100% authentic and which fits with what I am perceiving. That will take more time to relay than I have now, but it may be important. We do not understand what this is about yet.

We all deserve to know more ...


Then, if you will allow me to say it this way, you're falling behind the pace.

Bill ... I'm sure you know... 'there are more ways to skin a cat' ... ie ... finding truth! My pace is fine.

But more importantly your first comment above we need to know about.

viking

[Bill Ryan]

Kerry told me a chilling story last night which was 100% authentic and which fits with what I am perceiving. That will take more time to relay than I have now, but it may be important. We do not understand what this is about yet.We all deserve to know more ...

Yes, for sure. I'll do what I can without trying to scare people.

I may be wrong, but there are a lot of data points which suggest a major event, possibly on the west coast, before mid-October and maybe before the end of September.

Kerry met someone a couple of weeks ago, quite by accident, who was the admin assistant of a powerful woman in LA who was called by her insider husband elsewhere in the country telling her to get out of California by the end of September.

I myself had earlier rebooked my flight to leave California early in the morning of 30 September, based on nothing but very strong intuition. We also heard from Jake Simpson last night, present at Kerry's conference, who said that "there might be a little more time than that" - although he is NOT a reliable source of information.



Then, if you will allow me to say it this way, you're falling behind the pace. Bill ... I'm sure you know... 'there are more ways to skin a cat' ... ie ... finding truth! My pace is fine.

Please do it in private! Don't misinform others by reposting every YouTube video made by someone who does not understand their own information. That is not a public service.

[The One]

If you watch the video earth is just a spec

we really are just a spec

58fs5yI8K9I

[Kendall]

R.C.Hoagland suggests it could be a time capsule, it will be interesting to see what he says at Awake and Aware.

[DevilPigeon]

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I'd sooner have something posted on the forum, where I can decide for myself whether to dismiss it or not...

[Eric J (Viking)]

I may be wrong, but there are a lot of data points which suggest a major event, possibly on the west coast, before mid-October and maybe before the end of September.


We are all big boys, so to speak...I'm sure we wouldn't be scared in any way shape or form...

Do we have any idea as to what this 'major event' could be ?

Any type of feedback would be apreciated ... you must have some idea Bill?

viking

[Erich]

I'm in the northeast of Thailand and tonight at about 10:30 there is a very bright object in the eastern sky. It's actually cloudy and almost no stars are visible and this object is very, very bright. Perhaps I'm over enthusiastic and it's a planet. Jupiter? Saturn? I've never seen anything this bright before.

Heavens-Above says either Elenin, 45P Honda, C 2009, P 2007...Whatever that means.

Cheers.

[Nairnia]

We are all big boys, so to speak...I'm sure we wouldn't be scared in any way shape or form...

Unfortunately I think that is unlikely, how many people on here do you suppose changed the way they live or lived because of some (mis)information posted on here from youtube or unreliable news agencys/sources etc propogating propoganda? I dread to think.....

By taking some action (in this case posting info) which affects the life of someone in a negative way carries a huge karmic responsibility.

We are all part of the collective consciousness and it that create our reality (my belief) and rather than engraining a collective fear of some impending catastrophy, wouldnt it be more prudent to spread a more positive message and therefore create a positive future?

Of course there will be times and or events which warrant sharing but should'nt that be done where there is, on the balance of probability, a real possibility of the event occuring?

Just my opinion... :p

[Eric J (Viking)]

We are all big boys, so to speak...I'm sure we wouldn't be scared in any way shape or form...

Unfortunately I think that is unlikely, how many people on here do you suppose changed the way they live or lived because of some (mis)information posted on here from youtube or unreliable news agencys/sources etc propogating propoganda? I dread to think.....

By taking some action (in this case posting info) which affects the life of someone in a negative way carries a huge karmic responsibility.

We are all part of the collective consciousness and it that create our reality (my belief) and rather than engraining a collective fear of some impending catastrophy, wouldnt it be more prudent to spread a more positive message and therefore create a positive future?

Of course there will be times and or events which warrant sharing but should'nt that be done where there is, on the balance of probability, a real possibility of the event occuring?

Just my opinion... :p

I know all about consciousness me friend ...

Have a good read...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10351-We-are-the-change

viking

[aviators]

(The One) Yes I have seen this video. Sure gives you a feeling how small we are.
What are your thoughts on this Stereo B image ?

[aviators]

Do you have a camera? Perhaps someone can get a picture or two.
I'm in the northeast of Thailand and tonight at about 10:30 there is a very bright object in the eastern sky. It's actually cloudy and almost no stars are visible and this object is very, very bright. Perhaps I'm over enthusiastic and it's a planet. Jupiter? Saturn? I've never seen anything this bright before.

Heavens-Above says either Elenin, 45P Honda, C 2009, P 2007...Whatever that means.

Cheers.

[The One]

(The One) Yes I have seen this video. Sure gives you a feeling how small we are.
What are your thoughts on this Stereo B image ?

I am not sure my friend so many different possabilites makes you wonder which ones real

Maybe its the brown dwarf i really am getting confused with all of this.

Whatever it is its something thats for sure

[Seikou-Kishi]

Kerry met someone a couple of weeks ago, quite by accident, who was the admin assistant of a powerful woman in LA who was called by her insider husband elsewhere in the country telling her to get out of California by the end of September.

I myself had earlier rebooked my flight to leave California early in the morning of 30 September, based on nothing but very strong intuition. We also heard from Jake Simpson last night, present at Kerry's conference, who said that "there might be a little more time than that" - although he is NOT a reliable source of information.

So we have, what, a window five weeks to see if anything happens on the US west coast? I can say I'm glad I'm not there right now. I hope it's nothing too severe or dramatic. Unless it's something good, and then as dramatic as possible :D

[Fred Steeves]

You're spreading misinformation. That's what the CIA does.



Jeez Bill, you're being a bit harsh there brother. Personally I've never really given a crap about the Elenin thing, and overall haven't paid that much attention to it. But, what's so aweful about us using our discernment to choose what we pay attention to here or not?

What if this supposed California disaster fails to materialize? I might wonder why you got so worked up about it, but I CERTAINLY wouldn't come back and accuse you of spreading misinformation, intentionally or not, or putting your good name in the same sentence with the likes of the CIA...

Cheers,
Fred

[Daft Ada]

Trouble is people don't accept the truth, they just believe what they want to believe in and then try to find evidence to enforce it. It would seem some don't even understand the meaning of the word, hell there is even a thread discussing that :confused: There have been some incredible claims made in the latter part of this year and it seems to be the case of pick the one you like, but as the statements are so bold, one thing is for sure, it won't be long and we will all know for certain.

[aviators]

(The One) Yes I have seen this video. Sure gives you a feeling how small we are.
What are your thoughts on this Stereo B image ?

I am not sure my friend so many different possabilites makes you wonder which ones real

Maybe its the brown dwarf i really am getting confused with all of this.

Whatever it is its something thats for sure

Yes I agree It is something. This Stereo B image is very interesting and leads to more questions
than answers. I was hoping someone could chime in and confirm what we are looking at and/or debunk it.
This is very big news IMHO. I will keep a watch out for any more images from stereo B. Exciting times ahead.
Best Regards....

[the trojan]

(the words in bold highlighting are highlighted by me.)

Another silly Elenin thread. While the global economy may be about to go into meltdown. And while something very heavy may be about to go down next week or the week after that (no, nothing to do with Elenin or imagined 'alignments').

Kerry told me a chilling story last night which was 100% authentic and which fits with what I am perceiving. That will take more time to relay than I have now, but it may be important. We do not understand what this is about yet.

[ulli]

You're spreading misinformation. That's what the CIA does.



Jeez Bill, you're being a bit harsh there brother. Personally I've never really given a crap about the Elenin thing, and overall haven't paid that much attention to it. But, what's so aweful about us using our discernment to choose what we pay attention to here or not?

What if this supposed California disaster fails to materialize? I might wonder why you got so worked up about it, but I CERTAINLY wouldn't come back and accuse you of spreading misinformation, intentionally or not, or putting your good name in the same sentence with the likes of the CIA...

Cheers,
Fred

Despite the fact that quite a few of our more sensitive members have expressed that they feel inclined to withdraw from Avalon because of the negativity, and Bill is now doing whatever is necessary to protect his forum (yes, HIS forum, no matter how often people want to claim ownership here) from becoming the alternative BBC, (Boy's Bull**** Club)
yet you still insist on refusing to see the bigger perspective and show some reason and not only back up the trash posters but actually challenge Bill Ryan?
What are you protecting, I wonder?
The right to reduce every last piece of media to the level of trash tabloid?
This may well be my last response to a post of yours ever.

[aviators]

Things seem to be heating up and times are feeling like its all coming to a head.
The stereo B images of "Elenin" don't look like a small comet to me. See my thread on this.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31101-Elenin-Removes-Her-Mask-Breath-Taking-Stereo-B
Whatever this object is I hope it is for the best of mankind. Think positive thoughts.

Best Regards Peace on Earth

[Bridey]

I just wrote a big long post and lost it.....geez!

Anyways, in short, I agree with Bill. There is a lot of disinfo on this site it just makes Avalon LESS CREDIBLE FOR RELIABLE INFORMATION.

Sorry Viking, your not the only one. I do want to say that I have enjoyed many of your posts. Honestly I have....

[johnf]

Another silly Elenin thread. While the global economy may be about to go into meltdown. And while something very heavy may be about to go down next week or the week after that (no, nothing to do with Elenin or imagined 'alignments').

Kerry told me a chilling story last night which was 100% authentic and which fits with what I am perceiving. That will take more time to relay than I have now, but it may be important. We do not understand what this is about yet.

In my strong opinion, those with attention on Elenin are very probably being distracted while things are happening elsewhere. We all need to wake up and be very clear and focused.


CHARLES?? ring a bell...??

Charles' early information was largely and generally true. I did quite a good job in reporting a genuine whistleblower - although he had an agenda which changed in November 2010. After that, managing the chess game became rather more tricky and dangerous.


There are all sorts of stories floating around the internet about Elenin and Nibiru ... and its up to us to sift through and find out what is truth and what is not

Then, if you will allow me to say it this way, you're falling behind the pace.

Niburu is a very interesting mythology that appeals to many peoples addiction to adrenaline. Mythologies are often cover stories for some other truth that is rather traumatic to face. The basic element of this mythology is that something "earthshaking" is coming our way.
In Bill's coment above we see hints at this but if we honestly look at the info, I'm sure that would include hearing what Kerry is talking about, we would have to say we only know a little.
But back to the symbol of earthshakingness, large earth changes have this rearranging of the firmament image in them, and we can see large cracks in the economic and social firmament of modern civilization happening all around us. What if the events coming at us are more of a loss of old ideas and social structures than they are of a physical cataclysm? What if yes earthquakes and volcanism will continue to increase but the vast majority of us will still have to deal with each other and find new ways to move ahead TOGETHER. This may sound a little sarcastic, but OH THE HORROR! In my life I have struggled to face my fears and deal with the consequences of my habits and past actions, and i must say it is much easier to dwell on physical horrors and exaggerated future catastrophes, (that in hindsight have never happened) than to face fundamental long term change in my personal life. The funny thing is I have spent a lot of time being carried away with the elenin/niburu hysteria, I quickly found that there are huge holes in the theories that support it and finding my way out of that has been a very valuable experience.
This next subject i now find in it's place is the idea of the "electronic ribbon" at the center of the galaxy, which seems to be the same subject as the mobieus strip of gases astronomers have found in the center of the galaxy. Again I expect wild speculations and fear porn around that but We will probably run into something that will increase the urgency of our personal growth, maybe even give us tools to do that with.

[Limor Wolf]

Ulli,I happen to agree with Bill,but it is also about how to deliver the message.
I am aware that he is very busy (as usual) with 101 things all at once.I dont know how he does it.
And why not dare to challenge Bill? If there is anyone who is up for the mission its him :),no one is above or beyond anyone else.

Pace is individual and if we cut out anyone who is' not in pace' than we will stay with a very few light workers,that can hardly light a room .saying that,its important to express one's own mind and give a firm oppinion if that is what needed. a subtle direction toword the right conclusion can be of more support.

A wise man once has taught me (I learned from him) that an information without specific details,is not a usefull information.I thank him for that.

[DevilPigeon]

Despite the fact that quite a few of our more sensitive members have expressed that they feel inclined to withdraw from Avalon because of the negativity, and Bill is now doing whatever is necessary to protect his forum (yes, HIS forum, no matter how often people want to claim ownership here) from becoming the alternative BBC, (Boy's Bull**** Club)
yet you still insist on refusing to see the bigger perspective and show some reason and not only back up the trash posters but actually challenge Bill Ryan?
What are you protecting, I wonder?
The right to reduce every last piece of media to the level of trash tabloid?
This may well be my last response to a post of yours ever.

No disrespect to Bill or anyone else in a similar "position"... But I like to make my own mind up on things, I don't look for a "yay" or "nay" from Bill as a basis for what to believe.

[Hervé]

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I'd sooner have something posted on the forum, where I can decide for myself whether to dismiss it or not...

Personally, I would have thought that YouTube was enough of a training ground for that and that this forum was for the more arduous and/or less obvious cases....

[Daft Ada]

I don't watch many of the Youtube links at all, it's far too easy to fake video and I don't accept them as proof of anything, unless I am certain that they are a re post of a Stereo camera images or something similar.

[ThePythonicCow]

No disrespect to Bill or anyone else in a similar "position"... But I like to make my own mind up on things, I don't look for a "yay" or "nay" from Bill as a basis for what to believe.
Ulli is not suggesting that you depend on Bill to decide what to believe.

Bill is striving (if I understand) to keep the signal to noise ratio high on his forum - this forum - Project Avalon.

Bill, first and foremost, gets to decide what is signal or noise for this site - he owns it.

You and I each get to decide, for ourselves, what is signal or noise for our own minds.

If one of us figures Bill's signal detector has gone haywire, we're each free to move on to some other site that better focuses on what matters to us.

No one is telling you what to think. Bill is guiding this site towards what he figures is important, and away from what he figures are deliberate distractions.

Deliberate distractions are one of the many tools used by The Bastards in Power (TBiP) to herd the rest of us into various holding pens (emotional, mental, physical and spiritual.)

[DevilPigeon]

No disrespect to Bill or anyone else in a similar "position"... But I like to make my own mind up on things, I don't look for a "yay" or "nay" from Bill as a basis for what to believe.
Ulli is not suggesting that you depend on Bill to decide what to believe.

Bill is striving (if I understand) to keep the signal to noise ratio high on his forum - this forum - Project Avalon.

Bill, first and foremost, gets to decide what is signal or noise for this site - he owns it.

You and I each get to decide, for ourselves, what is signal or noise for our own minds.

If one of us figures Bill's signal detector has gone haywire, we're each free to move on to some other site that better focuses on what matters to us.

No one is telling you what to think. Bill is guiding this site towards what he figures is important, and away from what he figures are deliberate distractions.

Deliberate distractions are one of the many tools used by The Bastards in Power (TBiP) to herd the rest of us into various holding pens (emotional, mental, physical and spiritual.)

My post was aimed more at the tone of what Ulli wrote rather than necessarily the entire content, as if it's heresy to question Bill.

To answer your points though, Paul...

Whilst I acknowledge that Bill may own the domain name, and he pays the rent to the hosting company each year etc (although through the power of "donations" and other such whatnot, the members are also contributors in this regard. But I digress...), without the quality members participating on the forum then the forum is dead. Surely the diversity of subject matter, and the largely mature way in which it's debated is what keeps the forum going? Reducing subjects to what a few key players want will ultimately lead to - as you say - members deserting to pastures new. I agree that keeping irrelevant subjects out is healthy (eg the circus that is 'X Factor' etc), but the subject at hand (Elenin) is relevant in these current times.

Despite my self-imposed reclusion from the forum these past few months, this is still one of the best forums on the internet. That's largely down to the members themselves deciding for themselves what to discuss & what not to, in this regard the entire forum is self-regulating.

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I'd sooner have something posted on the forum, where I can decide for myself whether to dismiss it or not...

Personally, I would have thought that YouTube was enough of a training ground for that and that this forum was for the more arduous and/or less obvious cases....

I don't go on YouTube, I suspect I'm not alone. I do however look at videos that I think are relevant that have been posted onto forums such as this.

[DeDukshyn]

Found this ...?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtVJ5KFdGUU&feature=feedu

viking

I really hate to say this but ... this is a video of a still photograph with lens flare artifacts in it. Because it is a video of a photo is the reason the lens flare artifacts don't move in relation to the camera movement. Not saying that proves or debunks anything though, except this particular video. My 2 cents.

[christian]

As a middle ground, between posting virtually everything and being on top of everything,
I suggest any new "what's behind Elenin"-story ought to be posted on "The Lighter Side" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?64-The-Lighter-Side).

:peace:

[ThePythonicCow]

Despite my self-imposed reclusion from the forum these past few months, this is still one of the best forums on the internet. That's largely down to the members themselves deciding for themselves what to discuss & what not to, in this regard the entire forum is self-regulating.

Absolutely.

Good sites have a constant dynamic between good content with good variety, and good filtering out of distractions.

They also have a constant dynamic between the leadership shown by the site's owner(s), and the varying and diverse expertise, questions and insights offered by other members.

Yang does not exist without yin.

[Ilie Pandia]

You're spreading misinformation. That's what the CIA does.



Jeez Bill, you're being a bit harsh there brother. Personally I've never really given a crap about the Elenin thing, and overall haven't paid that much attention to it. But, what's so aweful about us using our discernment to choose what we pay attention to here or not?


Hi Fred,

At first I was tempted to agree with you that Bill was a bit harsh, but then I've looked at the video...

Oh man.... No offense intended to the poster, but this must be the worst video posted as "evidence" for anything.

Just looking at the video title: "1ST.comet elenin infinite positively undisputable, elenin & nibiru USA". Seriously!?! It this really a video worth posting here?

Then looking at the content. Some guy with a shaky camera films a picture on the screen and has a 12 minute "commentary" (that's not the word but I can't find a polite one), to say it Elenin...

I must say I totally understand Bill's frustration now!

We can do better than this! And unfortunately despite the constant call for quality by the mod team and some of the members, the quality is dropping steadily. That's a real shame!

We should not post everything here on the forum and then use our discernment. We should make good use of that discernment before posting! That is when you help! Not by adding massive amounts of information that is not verified and in this case simply awful.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Well I've read all the replies here...very interesting!

Reading in between the lines emotions are running high!!

Some good will come of this...

In the meantime can I ask for the Mods to close this thread please.

It serves no purpose now.

Blessing to all.

viking

[Lord Sidious]

I think you all need an organic carrot where it fits. :p

[ThePythonicCow]

Well ... Ilie finally got me interested enough in these videos to get me to watch them. I usually skip over Elenin videos pretty quickly.

Like part of the title of the first video (Post #1 of this thread) says: holy cow crap.

In the next few minutes I will:

Close this thread, as requested by the original poster, Viking.
Move this thread to "The Lighter Side" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?64-The-Lighter-Side), as suggested by chiquetet
Replace the embedded (easy to view) Youtube videos with (less convenient) plain text links (my idea - to reduce traffic to this nonsense.)

Please - let's show some more discernment before posting. Thanks.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thank you all,

and keep your eyes to the skies!! ;-)

viking

[ThePythonicCow]

This thread is now closed, as requested by the original poster.

[Erich]

I took a few photos with a small digital camera, but they don't look like anything. The mystery goes on and on.

[Hervé]

Re the video, there is something one has to keep in mind: if indeed it is an object that seems to be bigger than Earth, why isn't it leaving a streak of light on the stereo sensor as the Earth and Jupiter do? Also, why does that so-called obect has the same signature as backgroud stars? The latter made some commenters think it were the Pleiades. since the Pleiades are farther right, then this "object" is most probably another star grouping soon to be visible on HI 1. Then we'll all know for sure.

[Dawn]

I was pretty happy when Elenin broke up. And I loved Bill's calming influence. Where are all the 'debunkers' tonight? perhaps they will make comments tomorrow. Could it show up as large in stereo B because it is the closest object being recorded? That is how it looks in the 'flat' map of the solar system that the guy in the video uses to inform us all of what we are looking at.

[aranuk]

I'm in the northeast of Thailand and tonight at about 10:30 there is a very bright object in the eastern sky. It's actually cloudy and almost no stars are visible and this object is very, very bright. Perhaps I'm over enthusiastic and it's a planet. Jupiter? Saturn? I've never seen anything this bright before.

Heavens-Above says either Elenin, 45P Honda, C 2009, P 2007...Whatever that means.

Cheers.


Erich I don't think it can be Elenin as it will only be seen during the day if it is going to align with Earth and sun on Tuesday. It most likely is Jupiter you are seeing at night as it is very bright.

Stan

PS I am an astrologer, I have a sort of idea.:p

[Erich]

Erich I don't think it can be Elenin as it will only be seen during the day if it is going to align with Earth and sun on Tuesday. It most likely is Jupiter you are seeing at night as it is very bright.

Stan

PS I am an astrologer, I have a sort of idea.:p

Thank you, Stan!

[Kindred]

Very Large object indeed. If you watch the video earth is just a spec.
Surely if this object is between us (the earth) and the sun. WE should be able
to see it in the sky now. Unless it is directly at our south pole. Early reports
on Elenin said it was to come in from the south.

I'll suggest an alternative view. I viewed the following item a number of days ago, and felt it had some import to this thread. I had sent this item to several friends of mine, but when I visited one last night, she made a very instructive comment about the tone of the message.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpHGIuhxBGk&feature=player_embedded

This morning I followed up my mailing with the following. I submit it here to allow for a better interpretation of the video, linked above.

{A dear friend} made the point to me that she was Quite 'taken aback' by my offering the YouTube piece linked in the previous e-mail, as it seemed so 'Jesus-freakish'.

I had overlooked this 'fundamentalist' aspect, as I was enveloped in his interpretive technical details regarding 'comet' Elenin, and what it seemed to be 'doing'.

I still feel this technical assessment is a valuable interpretation. However, the 'fundamentalist' aspect should be discounted, IMHO. Just the same, even those who are caught up in these theological manipulations, can have insights and interpretations that offer valid concepts and ideas for us all. Most scripture has an element of 'truth', but it must be realized that most, if not all scripture and prophecy, were written and understood in a time of less 'technical' development - at least what we perceive as a 'less developed' period of human existence.

I felt that his discernment that Elenin had 'broken' into 3 pieces was a great interpretation, and that, furthermore, it appeared that each piece had now "deployed" a tetrahedron field, similar to what had appeared to have been revealed by the original single entity when impacted by a large solar flare (CME - coronal mass ejection).

THIS is the information that I felt was significant. If this entity is to have the ability to influence an entire world, then the field will need to be quite vast. The best way to accomplish this is by using Multiple entities in a distinct pattern to act, either as a 'lens' for certain wavelengths from 'wherever' (Earth's Sun or the Galactic Sun), or simply to provide the Distributed Field needed to influence/introduce Unity Consciousness.

Elenin is slated for conjunction with Earth tomorrow thru to Tuesday, and subsequently to gradually pass in front of Earth. This trajectory will allow Elenin to have an almost parallel course with Earth over the next month, permitting a gradually increasing influence as it passes in front of us sometime around October 16th.

This period of time is what is significant, as the field will have a gradually increasing effect during this parallel passage.

A word of caution is also due. It is quite possible that 'the powers that be' may very well Use this time to cause great fear via a false 'interpretation' through the use of their own significant technology that has remained hidden for decades. This will come thru the use of destructive forces, Extremely large holographic imagery, and electronic mind control, in conjunction with lesser amounts of physical technology, to cause the panic they will use to corral and manipulate the citizenry. IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL.

It is critically important to use our discernment as to what is happening, and realize that anything that causes destruction and fear is from these malevolent entities. We have been prepared thru Many decades of 'alien invasion' and 'world doom' scenarios via mass media, and this has 'set the stage' for these mass manipulations of mind and body.

Keep your wits about you, and remain In Love, for that is the purpose of Life and Consciousness.

FOLLOW-UP NOTE: At this time, all these entities will be in front of the Sun, as the alignment comes into being. We probably won't be able to see them, until a few more days passage, but I did note that, using a welder's goggle, I did note a dark spot where Elenin 'should be'...

In Unity and Peace

[Arc]

I know this topic has been around the block and been sensationalized to death with alternative news media:cool:
But could someone please shine some light on this Stereo B thing. What exactly is this
object being pointed out in this video? One thing I think is strange about this whole Elenin story is that main stream news doesn't seem to report on it. They have reported
on the junk satellite falling to earth. The big alignment for Elenin is the 27th Tuesday ?
Please someone tell me this Youtuber is full of S%#T.
Maybe Richard Hoagland is right about it:confused: being somekind of Time Capsule. He is speaking about it this weekend at the awake and aware conference.

Best Regards Peace on Earth

xnVSZwzuMzs

I found an interesting recent interview from ExopoliticsTV/Alfred Webre that cross correlates one important point from the video you posted above regarding Elenin.

In the video by MrCometwatch, above, he points out there is a very large object, which he believes to be Elenin, moving in view of Stereo B from Sept 18-23. He is astounded by the massive size of the object according to the data he is presenting.

Now from what I understand Elenin was very small, and has even broken up recently, which Bill also posted about on Sept 9. So why is there a massive object now seen by Stereo B moving in Elenin's original trajectory? That is where the Alfred Webre interview of 'Tolec', which I will post below comes in.

This Tolec, who claims to be a contactee of the Andromedans and Andromedan Council, explains that they are using their technology to tow a brown dwarf star they call Tekoma with an orbiting planet and moon into orbit between Earth and Venus and park it there. He claims that this is planetary engineering to upgrade our solar system in some way. He explains this brown dwarf is being towed trailing behind Elenin so that Elenin can sort of clear a path ahead of it of debris.

So to me that means if Elenin did in fact break apart, then it was doing it's job, so to speak if there is any truth to this story. And - more importantly, this story would explain why MrCometwatch is finding a giant object in Stereo B's data in a place where Elenin was expected to be coming in. It seems that Stereo B could be showing data as the evidence for Tolec's claim.

He also goes on further to differentiate between this and Nibiru, which are two different objects. He claims the Andromedans, in negotiation with the inhabitants of Nibiru, have altered the path of Nibiru to send it on a new trajectory over top of the plane of our solar system.

I found the topics presented in this interview to be really fascinating, but I am of course healthily skeptical, as the interviewer is. But, I'm open minded to the possibility. If there is any truth to this the interviewee claims we will be able to see it in the sky in October (quite a claim), so we will know if this is true or not shortly.

I'm curious what Alex Collier would have to say about this information since he is the contactee of the same group. The material seems to not contradict anything Alex has spoken about, but is just a recent update, including the part that the Andromedans and Pleaideans have finally kicked the greys and reptilians out of the solar system and are doing mop up ops now on Earth to remove the last ones based underground. Alex actually did say this type of operation was in progress in one of his previous interviews, so if Tolec is telling the truth, the mission was successful.

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[aviators]

One thing to clarify on this. I believe this object is WAY to big to be a comet.
There were early reports there was a larger object following Elenin.
Elenins name is only being used here as a bench marker per say.

Now I haven't seen anyone here on Avalon debunk this video yet. (which is really what I was thinking was going to happen) I am just asking questions...

I now see comments about Mercury possibly being the object of interest in this video.
Can anyone confirm this?

[Kindred]

I now see comments about Mercury possibly being the object of interest in this video.
Can anyone confirm this?

If you look at JPL's Elenin Ephemeris, you'll see that Mercury is behind the Sun.

[aviators]

Thanks Kindred. Yes I did see this. Perhaps it is another planet Mars? Like I said I am only asking questions here. I really don't want to believe this youtubers info. Just looking for a clear explanation.





I now see comments about Mercury possibly being the object of interest in this video.
Can anyone confirm this?

If you look at JPL's Elenin Ephemeris, you'll see that Mercury is behind the Sun.

[Arc]

Thanks Kindred. Yes I did see this. Perhaps it is another planet Mars? Like I said I am only asking questions here. I really don't want to believe this youtubers info. Just looking for a clear explanation.





I now see comments about Mercury possibly being the object of interest in this video.
Can anyone confirm this?

If you look at JPL's Elenin Ephemeris, you'll see that Mercury is behind the Sun.

The data is definitely real. I just found the same data slideshow here on NASA's Stereo site.

http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/images
(type in the dates 2011-09-18 to 2011-09-25, and choose Behind HI2 for the Telescope - select slideshow)

As for the interpretation of the data, that is something which I would appreciate more insight from anyone who is more of an expert to explain what it might be.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Been looking around...many believe something is about to go ...big time!!

quote Bill

I may be wrong, but there are a lot of data points which suggest a major event, possibly on the west coast, before mid-October and maybe before the end of September.

Kerry met someone a couple of weeks ago, quite by accident, who was the admin assistant of a powerful woman in LA who was called by her insider husband elsewhere in the country telling her to get out of California by the end of September.

I myself had earlier rebooked my flight to leave California early in the morning of 30 September, based on nothing but very strong intuition. We also heard from Jake Simpson last night, present at Kerry's conference, who said that "there might be a little more time than that" - although he is NOT a reliable source of information.


The government is moving equipment, troops, and resources all across this country in large numbers. Is the USA planning for some type of coming event? Could it be Elenin? or the collapse of our economy? or a coming superquake? Who knows for sure, but one thing is for certain. They are moving and the public is seeing it. With the internet it's hard to not see the mass postings about it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqB8_tWGGII

http://www.truthwinds.com/siterun_data/government/new_world_order/news.php?q=1316820186

What's cooking guys??

viking

[nearing]

Been looking around...many believe something is about to go ...big time!!

quote Bill

I may be wrong, but there are a lot of data points which suggest a major event, possibly on the west coast, before mid-October and maybe before the end of September.

Kerry met someone a couple of weeks ago, quite by accident, who was the admin assistant of a powerful woman in LA who was called by her insider husband elsewhere in the country telling her to get out of California by the end of September.

I myself had earlier rebooked my flight to leave California early in the morning of 30 September, based on nothing but very strong intuition. We also heard from Jake Simpson last night, present at Kerry's conference, who said that "there might be a little more time than that" - although he is NOT a reliable source of information.


The government is moving equipment, troops, and resources all across this country in large numbers. Is the USA planning for some type of coming event? Could it be Elenin? or the collapse of our economy? or a coming superquake? Who knows for sure, but one thing is for certain. They are moving and the public is seeing it. With the internet it's hard to not see the mass postings about it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqB8_tWGGII

What's cooking guys??

viking

I'd like to see this mentioned in the MSM somewhere. I have no idea where that audio came from.

[Lord Sidious]

Why is the lamestream media so important?
They are owned, lock stock and barrel, yet their voice counts as some type of yardstick?
How much have they NOT covered and how much have they lied about?
Old Sith proverb, man who listen to liars has crap in ears.

[Nairnia]

The government is moving equipment, troops, and resources all across this country in large numbers.

Your source: Youtube

Is the USA planning for some type of coming event? Could it be Elenin?

Wasn't the Elenin issue resolved in this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31113-Is-this-whats-behind-Elenin

or the collapse of our economy? or a coming superquake?

There certainly seems to be sufficient pointers for the former and less so for the latter

Who knows for sure, but one thing is for certain. They are moving and the public is seeing it. With the internet it's hard to not see the mass postings about it.

To be fair, when I lived in VA near DC, troop and ordanance movement was very common. Why would this be unusual?

What's cooking guys??

I don't mean any offence but isn't this just more "fear porn?" Does this serve any purpose other than spreading fear?

[aranuk]

Oh Yes Lord Sid! You speak wize wordz! If Elenin is in line with sun and Earth on 27th on Tuesday it will be seen ONLY during the day when we can see the sun not at night. Tell me what it's like the Scottish sky is cloudy as **** most of the day.

Stan

[Anno]

Why is the lamestream media so important?
They are owned, lock stock and barrel, yet their voice counts as some type of yardstick?
How much have they NOT covered and how much have they lied about?
Old Sith proverb, man who listen to liars has crap in ears.

Whilst I wouldn't want to tell anyone what to do, I do have a few reasons for considering the MSM just as valuable as the Alternative. These be the most important two:

1. All media is owned and controlled by someone trying to convince you of something. All media focus on their message and ignore anything that contradicts it. They spread their perspective and evidence they believe supports it and, most importantly, they make their living from doing so. Doesn't matter if you're talking about Murdoch or Maxwell. Media is Media.

2. 'Know thy Enemy' / 'In Plain Sight'. If you are aware the MSM is programming then you can view it as such and learn many valuable things. If you ignore it then you are restricting the amount of information you have available to you. If the one stream you are taking your information from is corrupt then you have no frame of reference to tell.

I believe the Anti-MSM propoganda within the Alternative is designed with this in mind. This (I believe) is related to the 'Sheeple' meme. Another grand contradiction in AltWorld.
The Sheeple and the MSM and the Politicians, Celebrities, Religions are all enemies. Why is this so if we are all One? And how is there an Alternative when TPB control everything? Another linked meme is this whole Left Brain/Right Brain idiocy. Surely you should use all your brain?

All of the above memes induce you to limit your access to information and focus soley on the group telling you to do so. That's how cults work, isn't it?

I listen to all sources because I know that the only place Truth ever comes from is within. It is felt, not read or watched on YouTube. Each peice of info gets added to the pile and the Self sorts through them to construct truth.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Why is the lamestream media so important?
They are owned, lock stock and barrel, yet their voice counts as some type of yardstick?
How much have they NOT covered and how much have they lied about?
Old Sith proverb, man who listen to liars has crap in ears.

lol...

Yep true... if we could get to those other 90% ... !!

Hey I think slowly folk are waking from the slumber....not soon enough in my opinion though...

viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

The government is moving equipment, troops, and resources all across this country in large numbers.

Your source: Youtube

Is the USA planning for some type of coming event? Could it be Elenin?

Wasn't the Elenin issue resolved in this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31113-Is-this-whats-behind-Elenin

or the collapse of our economy? or a coming superquake?

There certainly seems to be sufficient pointers for the former and less so for the latter

Who knows for sure, but one thing is for certain. They are moving and the public is seeing it. With the internet it's hard to not see the mass postings about it.

To be fair, when I lived in VA near DC, troop and ordanance movement was very common. Why would this be unusual?

What's cooking guys??

I don't mean any offence but isn't this just more "fear porn?" Does this serve any purpose other than spreading fear?

Nairnia...

We have the best of both worlds here... fear porn!!!!! you looking for medals????

Go to a more spiritual thread here... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31184-Where-is-your-Consciousness-taking-you

Perhaps you missed it ... ;-)

viking

[truthseekerdan]

Perhaps this is one of the many reasons why, Viking.

Tunnels to at least 13 underground bases being sealed off

"At least 13 very powerful underground explosions rocked the United States Midwest in the last 48 hours. They registered as small shallow earthquakes with the USGS. Many of the underground high explosive detonations registered as 2.6 magnitude earthquakes.

The U.S. military is said to be sealing off the tunnels so that the Globalists and the U.S. ghost government (Federal Reserve Bankers, FEMA, DHS, CIA) can’t run and hide from what is predicted to occur within 48 hours of September 27, 2011."

Source: http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/tunnels-to-at-least-13-underground-bases-being-sealed-off/

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[Amity]

Interesting indeed.

For the the most part of my life I have had a strong feeling something big is just around the corner and it's been intensifying the last couple of years.

But this last month its gone almost as if I was walking around with a big weight on my shoulders and its been lifted. I know no change and it worries me.

Maybe its just about to kick off?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting Dan....

Thanks

viking

[aviators]

Thanks Arc, I couldn't agree with you more. If you go to the web site and look at the last 70 slides in a slide show there is a large dark object moving from left to right headed our way. The big question is WTF is it. Surely someone knows?
But really it isn't any different than having a doctor show you an ultrasound picture. If you are not knowledgeable on ultrasound pics. Do you really know what you are looking at?






[/QUOTE]

The data is definitely real. I just found the same data slideshow here on NASA's Stereo site.

http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/images
(type in the dates 2011-09-18 to 2011-09-25, and choose Behind HI2 for the Telescope - select slideshow)

As for the interpretation of the data, that is something which I would appreciate more insight from anyone who is more of an expert to explain what it might be.[/QUOTE]

[Ol' Roy]

Thanks truth, I believe you have a great avalon name. We all aspire to the truth. I got called down on a ? here, when I was new to the forum. I asked "what is the truth". I guess a couple of people thought I was a smart a**. But , really I wanted to Know. I have heard the saying, that truth is different on different levels. I do agree with that. I know truth is a broad statement, especially when you say ,The Truth. It sounds ultimate. I would settle for little tidbits, here and there.

Hell, you can't even trust alternative media. With all sorts of view points. Let alone MMS which is completely BS.

Sorry got carried away, may be off topic mods. But the video, truthseeker presented, I have seen several times. And its a sobering event, every time I watch it. With the coming days approaching, I am trying to send positve vibrations. For both physical earth changes, economic, and spiritual.

[lslimerick]

Have any of you guys watched this re Elenin - and the fact that it is so huge per this video? Maybe they are all heading underground!!
http://youtu.be/xnVSZwzuMzs

[nearing]

Why is the lamestream media so important?
They are owned, lock stock and barrel, yet their voice counts as some type of yardstick?
How much have they NOT covered and how much have they lied about?
Old Sith proverb, man who listen to liars has crap in ears.

The MSM voice isn't important to me. This is something that they probably would report is all and I'd like to see that. The thing about You Tube videos is that anyone can say anything without any verification. If troops are really moving then I would think that some local media outlet would mention it.

The best thing would be to have an Avalonian see it with their own eyes and report it to us, obviously.

[Maia Gabrial]

I was just thinking that if George Kavassilas is right, Mother Earth is supposed to become a star. So, wouldn't it make sense that she'd be the second sun in this solar system? I'd love to know WHY Tekoma is being dragged into our solar system to begin with.... How will the dynamics of our system be like once Tekoma and its planets get here? This sounds like our world is literally going to shake, rattle and roll, until it all settles down.... I imagine that it'll take alot longer than 3 days....
I'm wondering how it'll affect US on Earth.... It's gonna be fun finding out, as TOLEC said.

It might just be me, but TOLEC sounds an awful lot like Obama....(talking into a can).... :secret:

[Lord Sidious]

Why is the lamestream media so important?
They are owned, lock stock and barrel, yet their voice counts as some type of yardstick?
How much have they NOT covered and how much have they lied about?
Old Sith proverb, man who listen to liars has crap in ears.

The MSM voice isn't important to me. This is something that they probably would report is all and I'd like to see that. The thing about You Tube videos is that anyone can say anything without any verification. If troops are really moving then I would think that some local media outlet would mention it.

The best thing would be to have an Avalonian see it with their own eyes and report it to us, obviously.

They would never be allowed to report it, but I agree with your post.

[Nairnia]

Nairnia...

We have the best of both worlds here... fear porn!!!!! you looking for medals????

Nah.....if I was looking for medals I'd be trawling youtube for the most fear-inducing-end-of-the-world-we're-all-gonna-die-videos! :p

[Arc]

I was just thinking that if George Kavassilas is right, Mother Earth is supposed to become a star. So, wouldn't it make sense that she'd be the second sun in this solar system? I'd love to know WHY Tekoma is being dragged into our solar system to begin with.... How will the dynamics of our system be like once Tekoma and its planets get here? This sounds like our world is literally going to shake, rattle and roll, until it all settles down.... I imagine that it'll take alot longer than 3 days....
I'm wondering how it'll affect US on Earth.... It's gonna be fun finding out, as TOLEC said.

It might just be me, but TOLEC sounds an awful lot like Obama....(talking into a can).... :secret:

Yes, I agree. If there is any truth to the information in that interview than I have many more questions. We can wait and see if this turns out to be disinformation.

I would like to see this person Tolec interviewed by Bill and/or Kerry, and, even better, would be if Alex Collier were present as well.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Nairnia...

We have the best of both worlds here... fear porn!!!!! you looking for medals????

Nah.....if I was looking for medals I'd be trawling youtube for the most fear-inducing-end-of-the-world-we're-all-gonna-die-videos! :p

Lets not go over the top my freind...


fear-inducing-end-of-the-world-we're-all-gonna-die-videos!

Pleeeeze give me a break...!!

Want some fear ... watch the news...thats where the 'real fear porn' kicks in!!

Lets get real.

viking

[MorningSong]

I think this must have to do with the DEFCON 1 "Cocked Pistol" maximun alert drill to be held on the 27th, but I may be wrong, that is, I am not informed as to the real purpose of the "drill".

I think I would be scared to death if I lived in the US now......:behindsofa:

[The One]

http://i.space.com/images/i/12288/original/comet-elenin-mattiazzo-fading-imagery.jpg?1316633184

Amateur astronomer Michael Mattiazzo of Castlemaine, Australia caught these two images of comet Elenin on Aug. 19 (left) and Sept. 6, 2011. The images show a rapid dimming in the comet, possibly hinting at its disintegration

Russian amateur astronomer Leonid Elenin had the good fortune to discover a comet on Dec. 10, 2010, and it's turned out to be quite a skywatching curiosity.

Initially, comet Elenin received quite a bit of attention from astronomers because its orbit would take it quite close to Earth, within 22 million miles (35 million kilometers), on Oct. 16, 2011. It looked like it was going to put on a good show.

Even as recently as Aug. 19, the comet was brighter than predicted, as observed and photographed by amateur astronomers in Australia, notably Michael Mattiazzo. [See Mattiazzo's comet Elenin photos and video] http://www.space.com/13038-comet-elenin-breaking-skywatching-video.html Then, disaster struck in the form of a coronal mass ejection from the sun. The next day the comet had dropped half a magnitude in brightness, and has continued to drop, despite the icy body getting closer to the sun. Apparently the comet is disintegrating, as sometimes happens when comets pass too close to the sun.

Meanwhile, this rather small and ordinary comet has become the subject of media frenzy among conspiracy theorists and 2012 doomsayers. Comet Elenin has been accused of being a brown dwarf or the mysterious and destructive planet "Nibiru," and has been blamed for earthquakes and tsunamis. Did you know that its discoverer’s name is really an acronym for "Extinction Level Event: Nibiru Is Nigh?"

On Sept. 10 the comet passed its perihelion, a phase marking its closest approach to the sun, at a distance of 44.8 million miles (72.1 million km

The next day, Mattiazzo managed a couple of images in the evening twilight sky as the comet dropped too close to the sun to be followed any further. The comet was a faint ghost of its former self.

Since then, the comet has been lost to view because of its faintness and its proximity to the sun in the sky.

more here http://www.space.com/13045-comet-elenin-skywatching-curiosity-nasa.html

[sunnyrap]

FWIW,I live in a town in East Texas that has high railroad traffic. I and my son have witnessed first hand a large amount of military equipment moving through here from last summer through last week: car after car of tanks, HumVees and those high cattle-car looking cars etc. Gives me the willies.

[gooty64]

My two cents worth. Last weekend a bunch of military trucks with camouflaged speed boats on them went by my house on the Wisconsin/Minnesota border along the Mississippi river. Not sure if this is a rare event or what, as I have only lived here for 1.5 years but, this is the first time I have seen the military vehicles.
Gooty64

[Steve C]

hi aviators, welcome to avalon. i'm thinking that this is not elenin. it is quite possible that this is what is referred to as planet x, nibiru etc. however, there is so much disinformation bouncing about that i'm not sure if anybody really knows what is what anymore. the only thing that i can confirm to you is that it is indeed a very large object.
warmest regards, corson

The Nibiru collision is a supposed disastrous encounter between the Earth and a large planetary object (either a collision or a near-miss) which certain groups believe will take place in the early 21st century. Believers in this doomsday event usually refer to this object as Planet X or Nibiru. The idea that a planet-sized object could collide with or pass by Earth in the near future is not supported by any scientific evidence and has been rejected as pseudoscience by astronomers and planetary scientists.

I personally don't believe in it.

There is alot of diss info flying around.

[ghostrider]

Interesting indeed.

For the the most part of my life I have had a strong feeling something big is just around the corner and it's been intensifying the last couple of years.

But this last month its gone almost as if I was walking around with a big weight on my shoulders and its been lifted. I know no change and it worries me.

Maybe its just about to kick off?
just learned about 9 million people world wide are without power, chile , arizona, all over and they are giving various reasons, but no the less here we go. russia had a quake they hardly ever have quakes. also some reports of cell tower problems. heads up everyone.

[MorningSong]

ghostrider, could you be a little more specific, please? Where did you get this info and what does it have to do with massive military movements in the US?

OK, found info on the Clilean power outage: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=PW-20110925-32435-CHL

4.8 mag EQ in Siberia, accounted for: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/read/index.php?pageid=seism_read&rid=211625

Now what about the others in your list?

[aviators]

"Tekoma is being dragged into our solar system"

"The Nibiru collision is a supposed disastrous encounter between the Earth and a large planetary object (either a collision or a near-miss) which certain groups believe will take place in the early 21st "

This is all conjecture or speculation. I am only interested in the fact that Stereo B camera shows a large dark object moving in our direction.
We should have our answer soon. Think positive. Perhaps some friendly visitors. Still no debunkers.