Numerous new ghost cities in China....

[Etherios]

i found this article ... tho i havent looked more into it it really makes you wonder. WHY? Do they know something we dont? Is there a plan or something else?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=260645

[chrstian_indianapolis]

wow....interesting. I have a few theories.
1) They are build for a disaster type emergency where only the rich and wealthy can live here. Where the rich live in these (what appear to be nice) towns, and keeping the rest out. Maybe also for scientist to live in- they could be working in the ghost cities underground bases. What better way to keep information from leaking out then to keep them away from the population

2) A possible nuclear test, to see what would happen if they tested a nuclear bomb. (I bring this up because of the ghost city in the desert, as described in the article)


The article reminds me of the movie resident evil. The weird thing is that, the US is building underground bases, yet china builds cities. Its as if they know something….

[New Dawn]

Maybe that's where the grey aliens will stay upon arrival and disclosure :)

[chrstian_indianapolis]

Someone posted a link to an article about Ghost Towns in China.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339536/Ghost-towns-China-Satellite-images-cities-lying-completely-deserted.html

TONS of empty buildings with only a few cars parked (I'm guessing workers of some sort). It’s a fact that the US is building underground bases. I haven’t research if China also has underground bases. But why build Ghost Towns?
My first thought was
1) Maybe to test a nuclear bomb and see the magnitude of the effect
2) Maybe they’re trying to get these cities build incase of an emergency (like the US, underground bases). But only for those who have the
a. Skills (scientist, engineers, doctors)
b. Or the money

What do you think? If Charles is reading this, please feel free to post or send me a private message. It’s confusing because the US is trying to dig it’s self underground, while china wants to stay above ground.

[chrstian_indianapolis]

I doubt disclosure will happed some time soon.

[witchy1]

Hi Chrstian, yes its very scary. They purchase all these raw minerals/metals and build amazing towns - for no one to live in. I really dont know whats going on. I suspect that they are committed to buying a certain amount of product from othe countries (for what ever reason) and this is what they do with them. Bizarre stuff.



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Ordos



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Thames Town



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New South

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<LI style="COLOR: #f41111">Chenggong – where there's no one home... Construction of this city in Yunnan province started in 2003. Seven years later this shiny new metropolis teems with pristine high-rise apartment blocks, marble tiled government buildings, state of the art high schools, a large university campus, and a CBD filled with shops, banks and municipal offices. It's got everything except for the one major ingredient a thriving city needs: people! (image source www.ft.com (http://www.ft.com))

<LI style="COLOR: #f41111">Ordos – which is deserted... Full of fancy buildings and abundant infrastructure, this Inner Mongolian city was built from the ground up in just five years and meant for 1 million inhabitants. Today, the streets are deserted. Residents of Old Ordos, 35km away, are largely unimpressed with the gleaming new city they didn't ask for and have decided to stay put. (image source: www.nytimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com))

<LI style="COLOR: #f41111">Thames Town – which is uninhabited... this English-themed 5bn Yuan development on the outskirts of Shanghai is a collection of Georgian and Tudor-style townhouses, low rise apartments and gated complexes, designed to house 10,000 people. The development opened in 2006. Four years later, despite a huge marketing effort, the town is uninhabited. It's now a place Chinese couples visit for a few hours to have wedding photos taken. (image source: www.psfk.com (http://www.psfk.com))


New South China Mall – which is empty... Opened in 2005 in the city of Dongguan, this 9.6 million square ft behemoth is the biggest shopping mall in the world, with room for 2,350 stores. It has seven 'zones' modelled on various cities and regions of the world. It also has a 25 metre high replica of the Arc de Triomphe, a 2.1 km internal canal complete with gondolas and a 553-meter long indoor-outdoor roller coaster! Trouble is, 99 percent of the stores in the so called "Great Mall of China" lie empty. (image source: www.thenational.ae (http://www.thenational.ae))
Isn't this just the weirdest thing you've ever heard of?

[write4change]

Maybe one of you should ask Cayman. Sooner or later he will have an answer or seems to be able to get one.

[chrstian_indianapolis]

I saw a video of a Chinese building that was constructed in....1mth I think. or a few weeks. I mean, this think was build FAST! and it would normally take months to do.

That's Chinese stuff for you though. Build in quantity not quality.

It is scary stuff. I welcome others theories as to these massive ghost towns. To me it’s like a utopia type scenario. Where the rich live in these cities and the poor live outside in the slums. When I saw the pictures, I got visions of this.

[witchy1]

Whoops 2 threads at the same time on this
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13908-Numerous-new-ghost-cities-in-China....

[chrstian_indianapolis]

why cayman?

[witchy1]

might need to merge with this one http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13912-China-Ghost-Towns&p=134271#post134271

[chrstian_indianapolis]

Whoops 2 threads at the same time on this
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13908-Numerous-new-ghost-cities-in-China....

i know there are 2 same post. i posted here so that maybe if charles reads this- he can reply back.

[sjkted]

It's all about the economy. Their system is set up so they need to keep growing. They could build the ghost towns, demolish them and then rebuild them. That's the effect war has on the economy. They are trying to do that without going to war.

--sjkted

[Necromancer]

why cayman?

I believe Cayman lives in China

[The One]

Out the box explanation

Maybe a new civilisation will use these places

[cayman]

why cayman?

I did post in here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China&p=133902&viewfull=1#post133902

I had tour in one of the largest ghost town--zhengzhou new city,guided by local officers, 4 years ago.
the quality of the buildings are not good. they build that really fast. that's GDP-driven projects. have nothing to do with emergency/evacuation or things like that.
It's also a easy way to acquire national fund and profit the local officers themeless.
Especially from one special bank: China Development Bank(CDB) http://www.cdb.com.cn/english/index.asp
Because back then, CDB was a national strategy guide bank, not usual commercial bank---that mean local government can get money from CDB with very cheap rate or even zero rate--if you have a very good connection. the mayor of Zhengzhou at that time happen to have a good connection with a deputy director of CDB-----that's how the Zhengzhou ghost city really come from---for CCP bureaucrats, the more you build, the faster you could get promotion, and more profit you can obtain for yourself.---all the ghost cities in China follow this same logic. this the actual conspiracy behind those ghost cities.

true, Chinese population is growing, major population need roofs for themselves but they can't actually afford that, exclude those ghost cities, the built houses(condos) are more than enough to cover the needs, yet, most people who need will never have it, the reason is here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China&p=102018&viewfull=1#post102018

[Etherios]

close this plz or merge if possible...

[Etherios]

Cayman unbelievable... so much effort/resources/energy just to make more money/paper ... With all those cities you could had build fewer better made and just house ppl ... make new communities then the hole of china would had being boosted to unbelievable heights... money is truelly humanities curse.

[cayman]

... unbelievable... so much effort/resources/energy just to make more money/paper ... With all those cities you could had build fewer better made and just house ppl ... make new communities then the hole of china would had being boosted to unbelievable heights... money is truelly humanities curse.

Yep. this kind of unbelievable things happening in China every day. seeing so much, we are a little bit numb

[chrstian_indianapolis]

... unbelievable... so much effort/resources/energy just to make more money/paper ... With all those cities you could had build fewer better made and just house ppl ... make new communities then the hole of china would had being boosted to unbelievable heights... money is truelly humanities curse.

Yep. this kind of unbelievable things happening in China every day. seeing so much, we are a little bit numb

buy didn't building those ghost towns make jobs? That's what china wants too, jobs. My question to you cayman is, what are they going to do with them? just make more and more and more, and just let them sit there?

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also a side question. Whats the average pay in China?

[loc333]

when the coast lines are destroyed,there goverment is prepared for whose ever left. what do they know we dont

[str8thinker]

I don't think it's anything as sinister as that. This reminds me of Episode 4 of the 2007 BBC documentary Paul Merton in China, where he visits Thames Town on the outskirts of Shanghai.


Thames town is an English style new satellite housing estate built close to Shanghai as part of the local governments ‘One City –Nine Towns’ plan. This plan was hatched out of the population boom being experienced in Shanghai. In the past 15 years the population has increased by 8 million and the landmass it covers has increased from 100sqkm to a staggering 680sqkm. Despite this growth Shanghai is still four times as densely populated as New York. The ‘One City –Nine Towns’ plan seeks to construct nine satellite housing estates around Shanghai. Six of these estates are to be themed on European style towns from the UK, the Netherlands, Germany, Spain, Sweden, and Italy. Following is a series of images from the English styled ‘town’, Thames Town.


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When Thames Town was first announced it was to a tirade of ridicule in the West even featuring in the Channel Five series, “Paul Merton in China”, and receiving the fairly typical British response of finding it all a little quaint with an undertone of failure due to the largely empty nature of the town. The wholesale copying of both well-known and more obscure British establishments gave fuel to the arguments that China is a country of ‘knock-offs’ and that it lacks the imagination to create anything original. What these arguments miss is not only that China is a country only recently emerged onto the world market, and that the people still do not have a true freedom of speech, but also that these developments are constructed by Western firms. Thames Town was a commission won by Atkins, a British firm of architects working out of Hong Kong. That the development lacks originality and is a drive towards the suburban ideals often proclaimed in the West is as much a product of the British architects who are responsible for the design as the Chinese who now long to live in such surroundings.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davewyatt/sets/72157614242009810/



And Paul’s six-week tour is wrapped up with a homecoming – of a sort. His last stop is a bizarre, half-finished recreation of Britain called Thames Town, complete with Gothic cathedral, shops and pubs – all of them mere facades. The site is popular with couples who want their wedding photos taken against English backdrops, and Paul is even more bemused to learn that most of the houses are empty because they have been bought as investments rather than homes. “It’s very Chinese,” he says. “It’s all for show.”

http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/paul-merton-in-china/paul-merton-in-china-monday-june-11

[Isostool]

Will human stupidity EVER cease?

[str8thinker]

There is a parallel thread here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13912
Maybe they should be merged.

[Flash]

I love those Chinese. Towns are buing build from greedy developers who put little material in it (I mean not secure building) that will make the buildings collapse at the slightest earthquake. So the Chinese don't buy in and stay put in their old crumbling, but standing up for eons, villages. And why would you go in a shopping center if you cannot affort it.

I love those Chinese. They don't buy into this mass consumption when it is pushed down their throats - if the govt wants it, it may be fishy (I hope this is what they think - Cayman, help me here).

I seen the same in Turkey and in the last huge eartquake there was 40,000 killed in buildings built rapidly without concern for security. Same in Haiti by the way.

I love these Chinese!!!

[sjkted]

Ahemm... Not that I don't love the Chinese, but we're not very different ourselves. Here's one from Amerika:

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As usual, we're a lot dumber than the Chinese. We build them and then tear them down just so we can build them again. At least they leave them up, so there's some promise that someone might use the ghost towns someday

--sjkted

[cayman]

......
buy didn't building those ghost towns make jobs? That's what china wants too, jobs. My question to you cayman is, what are they going to do with them? just make more and more and more, and just let them sit there?

make some temp jobs doesn't mean an healthy endurable economy.
I'm not sure what are they going to do with them, but base on the experience of 1990s housing bubble in few local southern cities. this ghost cities might be desert at first, a new plan will be initiated by the new mayor, tear down, rebuild---this Cycle happen in China by decade basis.






also a side question. Whats the average pay in China?

avarage income per year of Urban Residents’ Income is 21033 Yuan
avarage income per year of Rural Residents’ Income is 5919 Yuan
that is the officia statistics report of 2010
http://www.stats.gov.cn/english/newsandcomingevents/t20110120_402699463.htm
http://www.stats.gov.cn/tjfx/jdfx/t20110120_402699441.htm

[cayman]

....I love those Chinese. They don't buy into this mass consumption when it is pushed down their throats - if the govt wants it, it may be fishy (I hope this is what they think - Cayman, help me here).

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many don't want to buy into this stuff, but they have to. because whether you want it or not, the govt would tear down you old house, force you to buy or in many case--rent the new one. this the details about that: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China&p=102075&viewfull=1#post102075

[777]

And yet the city shown in the original article has a population of 7 and a half million. So either Wiki is inaccurate OR these are not entire ghost cities, merely ghost suburbs of already existing, heavily populated cities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhengzhou

A quick picture search shows a very busy city indeed.

[ExomatrixTV]

The Secret behind China's Ghost Cities (May 14th, 2022 Update!):

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