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alrik35
13th February 2011, 13:27
In my country there's a lot off people still sleeping.
I live in the Netherlands.
I cant try to wake m up because they will get angry with me.
So this is a dubio.
Everybody HAS to wake up , but they don't WANT TO !! aaah

Well i think disaster has to hit us first directly for they understand, but then it could be too late.

We keep wishing...

rgray222
13th February 2011, 13:43
People wake up on their own schedule, you cannot force people to the light they have to get there on their own. You can encourage, suggest and show people the way but ultimately they only come around when they are ready.

king anthony
13th February 2011, 13:43
You will have to accept one thing - that many (most) people will not 'wake up' to the truths. All one can do, if they feel to do this, is reach as many people as possible.

For example, in religions [which is a topic in itself] have stories of great events, such as the flood, where most people parish because they 'didn't wake up'.

Yes, some more people will become aware (semi or fully awaken) if, or when, a disaster 'hits'; however some may not be prepared while others will rather 'go back to sleep'.

Having the potential and having the ability are two different things. Everyone may have the potential do 'do something', however, not everyone will be able to do it.

There is not much one can do for those who cannot or will not wake up - save yourself first, so that you can save the others that can be saved - thus they can do the same.

If you do not 'save yourself first' then how can you stand on safe ground to save others - and where would others go once 'saved'?

All one can do is try, 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink'. Worry not.

moais
13th February 2011, 13:47
that s egocentric dude, you cannot survive alone, when someone unawakened sees a major threat to him, you must give him a hand, that way his awakening will not be as hard, as most of the people here have suffered, I myself have been awakened by some other people

Dragonfly
13th February 2011, 13:49
You should see the people in Switzerland.
Almost all are into hibernation. I have the hypothesis that the more prosper a country is, the more asleep the people are, since they are distracted with consumption and prestige.....

:party:

sepia
13th February 2011, 13:59
You should see the people in Switzerland.


Yes, it is really sad to see and difficult to bear!

mcaballero
13th February 2011, 14:06
I don't think I need to say what soccer has done in this place :-/

Midnight Rambler
13th February 2011, 14:10
When talking to people here I notice they have pieces of the puzzle except they don't know what to do with it.

For example they know about strange things that happened on 9 11 or the Bilderberg group and a lot of people don´t trust the politicians and the banks etc.

I guess they go on with their daily life because they do not understand and are afraid of the truth (whatever that may be).

Maybe learning about these things will change a person and change is often very difficult.

the_flyingboy
13th February 2011, 14:14
i have a problem with my family,even if you told them a brick is falling on their heads they wouldn't look up to see or do anything until it hits them...after they complain why you didn't tell them earlier.

jorr lundstrom
13th February 2011, 14:19
i have a problem with my family,even if you told them a brick is falling on their heads they wouldn't look up to see or do anything until it hits them...after they complain why you didn't tell them earlier.

Thats life. Efreything is a SEP. (someone else problem) LOL

king anthony
13th February 2011, 14:34
that s egocentric dude, you cannot survive alone, when someone unawakened sees a major threat to him, you must give him a hand, that way his awakening will not be as hard, as most of the people here have suffered, I myself have been awakened by some other people

I am not sure about the 'that's egocentric dude' part of your post; however, helping others is always a must. I have written before, 'put others before yourself' - if each worries about the person beside them, then they need not worry about themselves. In part, such things as greed, fear and 'loneliness' will no longer be part of the equation. This said though, it is important to make sure that one can (properly) help others and 'not go down with the ship'. We must all try to help (awaken) others; however, people who try cannot be troubled when others do not wake up.

PathWalker
13th February 2011, 14:57
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Everybody HAS to wake up , but they don't WANT TO !! aaah

No one, HAVE to wake up.
It is a personal choice.
When you infringe on others personal choice you get entangled with their struggle (Karma).

You can service the sheople by shining your light and being authentic with your path.
When you will be ready the awakening will arrive to ask and learn.
Till then continue to awaken and learn the loneliness and humility of being authentic to your path.

Good luck.
May the light shine on you and from you.

peter67
13th February 2011, 14:57
Not everyone wants to know the truth. They have a core belief system so indocrinated its almost impossible to get them to think beyond the next episode of eastenders. That is harsh but describes the distractions in everyday life we have to deal with. Just be happy you know your truth and that energy will attract like minds to you like a magnet. Cheers

Jean-Marie
13th February 2011, 15:33
My experience has been the following:

The ratio of friends who want to talk and hear about what might really be going on is about 4 yes 2 no out of 6 people or 2/3 people in my experience are open to discussion on it.

king anthony
13th February 2011, 15:38
My experience has been the following:

The ratio of friends who want to talk and hear about what might really be going on is about 4 yes 2 no out of 6 people or 2/3 people in my experience are open to discussion on it.

The unfortunate part is, how many of the 4 will actually 'wake up' and take action in some way.

DianeKJ
13th February 2011, 16:00
It can be really difficult to watch people close their eyes and their hearts to sooo many things, especially when it is someone close to you like family or friends. We have to keep in mind, that people are here for their own teachings, their own choices, even when that is painful to watch. It has been one of my biggest and hardest lessons and it's an ongoing one.

There have been many people that have helped my path along the way, from shamanic/metaphysical teachers, to the stranger on the street. But when I think about, all of my big learning came from within, and although like I said, many helped me, they did so only when I really sought it out. For me it was a lot of divine timeing, and a little bit of being hit over the head with the same situations over and over again, yes I'm that stubborn!

For me and in this moment, I feel most at peace with just holding/anchoring the love and light within myself. I share when asked, and I'm content in my knowledge that if someone wants or needs me in some way to help their path, they will find me and the situation will present itself. I know that for many people, that is simply too "passive" and they may even see that as a weakness. But that is just my path right now. You may be more of the warrior type, out there shaking up the system, on the front lines. Your path is hugely important too, and I give a nod of gratitude to you all. Overall we must keep in mind everyones differences, our individual paths.

Namaste,
Di

Nortreb
13th February 2011, 16:10
In my country there's a lot off people still sleeping.
I live in the Netherlands.
I cant try to wake m up because they will get angry with me.
So this is a dubio.
Everybody HAS to wake up , but they don't WANT TO !! aaah

Well i think disaster has to hit us first directly for they understand, but then it could be too late.

We keep wishing...

Hi alrik35,

I found the 4 laws helpful in understanding my friends and neighbors. I found them in the George Green's books.

1. Law of Attraction – Like attracts Like
2. Law of Deliberate Intent – Place your intent beyond the 5 senses, and place it into the creation of a new experience..
3. Law of Allowance – Personal Responsibility – We are responsible for choosing our own experiences and not responsible for the experience of others.
4. Law of Balance – The “Now” is the balancing point between the Past and Future.

My view is that everyone has their own unique timing especially the sleeping ones and you waste too much of your own precious time trying to wake them up.

Play the Johnnie Apple See roll! Plant the seeds and keep moving.

This is weird game because we really do not know the range of the rules! :drum:

Peace

ghostrider
13th February 2011, 16:18
Well said my friend, our greatest enemy is ourselves, to be a living example walking in truth and humility and letting your light create a path and the ones in darkness see a way out of the matrix. peace to you...

Lord Sidious
13th February 2011, 20:10
NEVER and I mean NEVER think that you can control the destiny of another, that can be fatal.
The majority of people will not awake, even when their death is imminent.
We have no right to interfere with their destiny as we are all equals.
You will figure this out for yourself later anyways.

PathWalker
17th February 2011, 19:50
NEVER and I mean NEVER think that you can control the destiny of another, that can be fatal.
The majority of people will not awake, even when their death is imminent.
We have no right to interfere with their destiny as we are all equals.
You will figure this out for yourself later anyways.
I fully agree with Lord Sidious, accept about the "we are equal". This could be considered semantics but it is critical to understand.
Each of us is unique and special and precious without value. We (not the ego but the soul) are part of the creator. We are loved and appreciated beyond our comprehension. We are the bravest of the brave to live this life time. Each has her/his own path with unique Karma (therefore not equal).

Our dualistic matrix allow us to play the free will game. We are not handed the same cards, but we are loved and provided with the tools to empowerment. Can we make it into manifestation?

It is our soul responsibility to awaken ourselves (the ego), thous providing some awakening light to our fellow humans. We are allowed to light the candle in the dark. We are not allowed to shine light on anyone who prefers the dark (avoid the light). Those who are attracted to the light will follow and light their own. candle.

Arrowwind
17th February 2011, 20:14
If a few people had not interfered with me I hate to think what kind of mess I would be in.
It is our right and our prividlege to pick people up when they fall if we are capable.
If they remain standing, thats up to them.
This I leaned by caring for people who have ben peeled off the pavement...
some who caused their own demise, some who caused the demise of others.

You can shine light on those who think they prefere the dark.
If they dont want it they will soon disappear.
Some may change their minds while love is being laid on them

Arrowwind
17th February 2011, 20:20
In my country there's a lot off people still sleeping.
I live in the Netherlands.
I cant try to wake m up because they will get angry with me.
So this is a dubio.
Everybody HAS to wake up , but they don't WANT TO !! aaah

Well i think disaster has to hit us first directly for they understand, but then it could be too late.

We keep wishing...

I think people are waking up all the time!
We may not notice them all.
Its a long and sometimes subtle process.
Just be ready and open to receive them
they come in all forms, from all social levels,
all colors, all creeds

jorr lundstrom
17th February 2011, 20:44
Well, in my life i suddenly had three choices. The red pill, the blue pill or reincarnate.

So I choose the red pill and here I am. People snoring all around me. Maybye one can push

people untill they have got their foreheads against the wall. But this process backfires all the time.

As John Lennon said: All you need is love and maybye a bullet proof vest. LOL

PathWalker
17th February 2011, 20:59
If a few people had not interfered with me I hate to think what kind of mess I would be in.
It is our right and our prividlege to pick people up when they fall if we are capable.
If they remain standing, thats up to them.
This I leaned by caring for people who have ben peeled off the pavement...
some who caused their own demise, some who caused the demise of others.

You can shine light on those who think they prefere the dark.
If they dont want it they will soon disappear.
Some may change their minds while love is being laid on them


I completely sympathize and support what was said with one reservation.
You/I allowed to assist someone/something that request or allowing us to assist. Otherwise we are harming all involved.
For instance resuscitation and life preserving technology that prolongs suffering.

PathWalker
17th February 2011, 21:12
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alrik35
17th February 2011, 21:13
well people thank you very much for the comments. Very Helpful

When you want to talk about the problems in the world its always handy to meet people who also want to talk and share about it , like AVALON for example :)

Ive been trough this process , first i tried to wake people up.....NO CHANCE ! They get angry and then you've done more damage then good.
Its all about actions, making choices and creating harmony for yourselfs , then others see that and also want to join that REAL HARMONIC synchronic experience! If they see you happy in a difficult time , they will be attrackted by you...and the doors go open..:)

Thx everybody

P E A C E

truthseekerdan
17th February 2011, 22:04
In my country there's a lot off people still sleeping.
I live in the Netherlands.
I cant try to wake m up because they will get angry with me.
So this is a dubio.
Everybody HAS to wake up , but they don't WANT TO !! aaah

Well i think disaster has to hit us first directly for they understand, but then it could be too late.

We keep wishing...

Jesus also said: "So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen." (Matthew 20:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2020:16&version=NKJV))

Setras
17th February 2011, 22:09
Lots of people are waking up but there appears to be a large number that are falling further asleep. During a conversation i recently happened to over heard the use of some of the most derogatory language in reference to other people. It is clear (at least in the UK), that the MSM is working in it's job of brainwashing.......

anikohu
17th February 2011, 22:26
I noticed a sudden wake up in my friend circles. 20 year ago i was the weird one. I just got tired to try to educate them. I stopped talking' weird! ":tape2:
And here it goes. Almost three years ago i found Project Camelot and i sent all the video to them. That time after the videos ,i got no feedback.. i think they were in shock...
Last year, almost in the same time all of my friend suddenly got involved in the "bigger pictures" bombarded me with thousand of questions. And now they wan to know everything- i envy them because what took me to my life time searching and experiencing and emotional hardship, they just got it in a couple of months !!! Go figure?:jaw:

PathWalker
17th February 2011, 22:28
Lots of people are waking up but there appears to be a large number that are falling further asleep. During a conversation i recently happened to over heard the use of some of the most derogatory language in reference to other people. It is clear (at least in the UK), that the MSM is working in it's job of brainwashing.......

Yes TPTB doing their best to keep us asleep with all the tricks and technology in their bag.
They are failing miserably. And they are scared to death.
Be compassionate and you win (pass the test), get angry or fearful and you are under their influence.

It is as simple as awareness in your choice.

Good luck
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

Smith
17th February 2011, 22:40
In my country there's a lot off people still sleeping.
I live in the Netherlands.
I cant try to wake m up because they will get angry with me.
So this is a dubio.
Everybody HAS to wake up , but they don't WANT TO !! aaah

Well i think disaster has to hit us first directly for they understand, but then it could be too late.

We keep wishing...

Jesus also said: "So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen." (Matthew 20:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2020:16&version=NKJV))




That's just the thing. I would like for everyone to wake up and to be chosen. It's my hope that it all works out in the end. I really do believe that some people can't help their blindness.

Whitehaze
18th February 2011, 04:41
Some people prefer to need the system, while others cry for freedom

Wub
18th February 2011, 05:46
I know that some of my friends and family seem to be caught up in very heavy materialism and anything that doesn't 'feed the beast', is somehow seen as not worthy.
Its hard.
If you love unconditionally, you have to accept that they're not like you and still love them - regardless.
I hope that my 'walking the walk', instead of just talking the talk, will help them find a way through the veil of tears that surrounds this reality.

mondaze
18th February 2011, 06:07
my dad said to me,"i dont know why you bother, there's nothing you can do to change anything." He has seen it from the inside in a small way, became president of county rugby association and realised that he still had no power to change anything! I tend to believe in Arnold Wesker's line in Roots. "If you don't try , you just die". I no longer proselatize but if asked I answer truthfully. People who want to know ask more,people who don't roll their eyes and carry on watching x-factor. Either way i have done what i feel I should.

truthseekerdan
18th February 2011, 06:19
In my country there's a lot off people still sleeping.
I live in the Netherlands.
I cant try to wake m up because they will get angry with me.
So this is a dubio.
Everybody HAS to wake up , but they don't WANT TO !! aaah

Well i think disaster has to hit us first directly for they understand, but then it could be too late.

We keep wishing...

Jesus also said: "So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen." (Matthew 20:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2020:16&version=NKJV))




That's just the thing. I would like for everyone to wake up and to be chosen. It's my hope that it all works out in the end. I really do believe that some people can't help their blindness.

It's not about being chosen, am pretty sure that the text was edited to suit the religious purpose.
What I believe, is about ones free will to choose (freedom of choice), how to progress (or not) spiritually -- past the illusion of separation and ego-mind.

Namaste

sleepy
18th February 2011, 12:53
xxxxx xxxxxx

PathWalker
19th February 2011, 20:15
One more point of observation.

Great masters teach us that our external reality is a reflection of our inner reality.

The observation that there are un-awakened people in different levels induce the following traps:
1. The observer is awakened (the trap of ego - vanity)
2. The un-awakened people are wrong or under influence (the trap of ego - patronizing)
3. I have to assist them, by taking action to change them (the trap of ego - patronizing)

When a person is awakening beyond the 3rd trap and focus on its own spiritual integrity, then and only then her/his light is shining and enlightening others.
It is very normal that the first stage of converting into any "religion" is being dogmatic and trying to show everyone the they are blind.

Hope you can consider this as just a step in your personal awakening. A mandatory stage of introspection and humility.

Good luck
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

alrik35
20th February 2011, 10:06
In my country there's a lot off people still sleeping.
I live in the Netherlands.
I cant try to wake m up because they will get angry with me.
So this is a dubio.
Everybody HAS to wake up , but they don't WANT TO !! aaah

Well i think disaster has to hit us first directly for they understand, but then it could be too late.

We keep wishing...

I think people are waking up all the time!
We may not notice them all.
Its a long and sometimes subtle process.
Just be ready and open to receive them
they come in all forms, from all social levels,
all colors, all creeds

mmmmh yeah true , but as long the media keeps sending out crap , people will be very confused !

TimelessDimensions
20th February 2011, 10:20
The desire to search for truth (seek enlightenment) has to come from the individual before any waking can take place

greybeard
20th February 2011, 10:37
The desire to search for truth (seek enlightenment) has to come from the individual before any waking can take place

Yes it is down to the individual
Im positive because enlightened authors like Eckhart Tolle are selling millions yes millions of books, thatis having a global affect on consiousness.
Regards Chris

Luke
20th February 2011, 11:29
Enlightenment is an individual process. Nobody can lead you on it, as your path is unique.

There are no leaders or saviours. Those are constructs that are part of our conditioning that prevent us from become free.

But then there are Teachers, who might present you some ideas, that you can meditate on and incorporate into what is your own.

We are constantly projecting us around, out thoughts, our feelings. It is all very charged- energies beyond anything our science imagines.

Attraction-Intent-Allowance-Balance
Communication.

Focused intent per volume of cyberspace :)

Gustav
20th February 2011, 21:06
alrik35

I feel you man. This country is vast asleep. although, I notice a lot people around me are disconnecting themselves in some way. Some stop voting because they don't believe it will make a difference. Some turn their back on government completely. Some are starting to read. Some are discovering themselves again. Look around you. It might not be the awaking of the same kind that you are experiencing, but the general dissatisfaction that is gaining momentum, consciously or not, will eventually burst. I believe a lot of good will come from it, but you will have to sift through the mud.

alrik35
20th February 2011, 22:02
i agree , there's a lot of people waiting.....and discovering...and awakening :)