Charles Manson

[mmelo]

I was just watching part of an interview with Charles Manson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuzla1IYUGA (The other parts are on youtube just search for them) I was just wondering what all your opinions are of the man. I mean do you feel he is greatly mentally unstable and an evil person as the main stream media generally portrays him as? I feel he is spiritually awakened and enlightened by some of the things he says and does but I also see how one can feel anger, hate and even be fearful of him and of course I can't condone taking the lives of other people even if done indirectly. He is an interesting man and to me a confused man. I think if he would have made some better decisions he might have helped awaken people and been a beneficial part of the new age movement. What do you guys think? Am I just trying to find good in someone that is pure evil? I don't think so am I? Let me know if I'm way off base here and put me in check :-)

[9eagle9]

Some people's awakenings to certain truths--not awakening as we know it to be spiritually-- have driven them over the edge. Not sure where I heard this but someone remarked' Even Hitler was loved'. We live in an illusionary world, I think Manson, realizing that all was not as it seemed, didn't attempt to find reality but essentially stepped into an even insaner illusion.

I have noticed in my real life here on the other side of the monitor (and on that one too) that some people arrive at a truth, go nuts with it, and it takes on a whole distorted reality for them. Like people explore the concepts of non material living and then rush out to burn all their belongings to be 'pure'...lol.

We are a self policing society. Majority rules. Millions of Americans have thought nothing of the way Iraqi's have been slaughtered, but when a person steps up and perpetrates essentially the same crime on a much smaller scale its more media sensationable.

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Interesting and bold topic I might add....

[The Mad spirtualist]

I have some things to say on this just not yet. You like it.

[witchy1]

Trying to understand the human psyche is difficult at the best of time let alone in someone who walks to a different rhythm. I read about him some years ago and from memory he had an appalling childhood, mum in jail for robbery in the foster home / borstal revolving door syndrome. Staunch religious grandmother who fostered him for a while. I think it was him that was purposefully sent to school in girls dresses. He also suffered a head injury as often many of the "evil" monster of our time has.

I dont think hes unintelligant and understands the big picture of the world - but is a such a poor tortured soul.

As an aside I wonder if his parents had any links to the military?? I read his fathers real name was Maddox and his mum took that name following the escape from her strict religious parental home but he did not stick around and once charles was born and his mum married manson and charles took his name then. Having a quick look there is reference to Colonal Scott as being his real Dad. Im sure someone has the real story.

ADDIT. I was meant to say to Mad spiritulist: There are many things that people do not like. If it is the truth then it is the truth as uncomfortable as that may be.

[3optic]

David McGowan author of Programmed to Kill seems to think Manson was an MK Ultra victim. Manson spent many years in prison and it's well known the CIA made good use of convicts in their experiments for obvious reasons. We also know that MK victims were often trained as programmers. McGowan puzzles over how a functionally illiterate man would have such a mastery over mind manipulation techniques. I recall reading a book on Manson years ago that discussed his interest in hypnosis while in prison..


Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan-Sirhan, Charlie Manson, John Hinckley Jr., Mark Chapman, David Koresh, Tim McVeigh and John Salvi are some notable names of infamy, strongly suspected of being pawns who were spawned by MKULTRA. -Ron Patton( Project Monarch: Nazi Mind Control )

Off of the web site "Whale":

http://www.whale.to/b/manson.html

[Intraphase]

A music video that covers his 1987 interview themes.
Pop culture has its own highly defined legends and mythology.
A treatise on that could ramble for 10,000 words and seem to drive off to many cliffs without holding the general reader's attention for long. Manson knew the myth system and left his mark and statement. His key statement could be colored and shaded diabolically then posited as "We are all manipulating each other to death." If he had survived a little longer without any serious involvement in crime he might have been able to move past that dangerous 27 year old mark where men begin to calm as the testosterone begins to wane. Many criminals retire from the hyper-survival street life during the 35-45 years of age mark, although a serious head injury would complicate that journey to stability. In the sixties people came to rapid conclusions. Some were accurate some were ill founded. Manson saw the dark side of the unseen world and formulated a protest identity whose mystique survives to this day. A strong spirit can not be contained by prison bars whether that be a contemplative, a constructive artist or a destructive revolutionary spirit. I think Manson's surfs all those wavelengths. This is a touching video. The Lincoln Tunnel reference is to antiquated myths about the spirit world and its transportation functions through the timescape functions.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4cbTbmq11Y


Abuse your body but you call it love.
I hear the stories; the bruises speak for themselves.
Don't think we're blind just because we are young.
I'm old enough to know now my age made me dumb.
I should have yelled and forced someone to hear those things we thought were better left unsaid.
It's now too late?
It dominates my head.
Those things we thought were better left unsaid.


I could not choose a way. A choice that wasn't mine to make.
Just make him go away.
But if you're happy then I'm glad you found him.
Please help her find her way.
A choice that wasn't mine to make.
Just make him go away.
Will she be happy when she finally finds herself?


Does she know she has our help?

Why do I even bother?

I could not choose a way.
A choice that wasn't mine to make.
We left those things unsaid.
It hurts to talk but I'm starting to wish I did.
(Repeat once)

Some things are better off
left unsaid! (x2)

Some things are better left unsaid!

[3optic]

Never Learn Not To Love, Manson's song for the Beach Boys originally titled Cease to Exist


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I0v2bVX8j4


I mean, ****, he auditioned for Neil [Young] for ****’s sake. -Graham Nash, explaining to author Michael Walker how close Charlie Manson was to the Laurel Canyon scene.

Just finished Walker's Laurel Canyon. Recommended! Then perhaps go here:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html


He was great, he was unreal – really, really good.

He had this kind of music that nobody else was doing. I thought he really had something crazy, something great. He was like a living poet.


-Neil Young on Manson

[The Mad spirtualist]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110214/ap_on_re_us/us_california_prisons_cell_phones

[passenger1147]

if you listen to what Charles says in interviews... he speaks a lot of wisdom. A lot of the crazy stuff he says/does in interview, I feel like he puts in there, just to give people what they want. haha

regardless of what he's done... or meant to have done.. he's a very interesting man to listen to.

[Midnight Rambler]

Love that Beach Boy song and I learned something of it about song-writing just now. Great stuff.

I am a big fan of Neil Young so I am going to look into that connection as well.

Thanks for this thought provoking thread.

[Intraphase]

Never Learn Not To Love, Manson's song for the Beach Boys originally titled Cease to Exist



I mean, ****, he auditioned for Neil [Young] for ****’s sake. -Graham Nash, explaining to author Michael Walker how close Charlie Manson was to the Laurel Canyon scene.

Just finished Walker's Laurel Canyon. Recommended! Then perhaps go here:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html


He was great, he was unreal – really, really good.

He had this kind of music that nobody else was doing. I thought he really had something crazy, something great. He was like a living poet.


-Neil Young on Manson



http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html

That was quite a read. It seemed that the intel on the mountain top facility had some sort of q-field link to the little nazi compound a couple of canyons away.
The kid does good research. He rambled a little on page 10-11 range and the article seemed to dive into the abyss with the intoning of the (dick dastardly) R.M.Nixon angle.

It brought to the front of my mind Morrison's poetic intonation "Blood is the rose of mysterious evil." Other people say the same in "What pipe of power you smoking."

Seems like; at various times many parties involved in that spidery matrix of subtle connections got addicted to some sort of esp rush. The manifold of connections to key military figures who played catalyst roles in world conflict that triggered further events leading to massive casualties being the nexus of greatest weight. Morisson's dad as commander of the fleet involved in the Gulf of Tonkin. Bit of creepy numerology from: Wiki


Operation Pierce Arrow was a U.S. military operation during the Vietnam War.

In response to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident when the USS Maddox of the United States Navy engaged North Vietnamese ships, sustaining light damage[1]as it gathered electronic intelligence while in the international waters of the Gulf of Tonkin, U.S.President Lyndon B. Johnson ordered Operation "Pierce Arrow" which was conducted on August 5. The operation consisted of 64 strike sorties from the aircraft carriers

08-02-19-64 & 08-04-19-64 & 08-05-19-64

I think in my understanding of q-consciousness the entire MK operation was crushed by the acquisition of q-space that trumped MK space due to Pol Pots massive slaughter.


Estimates of the total number of deaths resulting from Khmer Rouge policies, including disease and starvation, range from 1.7 to 2.5 million out of a population of around 8 million.[20] Credible Western and Eastern sources[21] put the death toll inflicted by the Khmer Rouge at 1.7 million. A specific source, such as a figure of 3 million deaths between 1975 and 1979, was given by the People's Republic of Kampuchea. François Ponchaud suggested 2.3 million, R.J. Rummel 2.4 million (counting democide in the civil wars), the Yale Cambodian Genocide Project 1.7 million, and Amnesty International 1.4 million. Demographer Marek Sliwinski concluded that at least 1.8 million were killed from 1975-9 on the basis of the total population decline, compared to roughly 40,000 killed by the US bombing.[22] Researcher Craig Etcheson of the Documentation Center of Cambodia suggests that the death toll was between 2 and 2.5 million, with a "most likely" figure of 2.2 million. After 5 years of researching some 20,000 grave sites, he concludes that, "these mass graves contain the remains of 1,386,734 victims of execution."[23] Execution is believed to have accounted for about 30-50% of the death toll. This would indicate 2.5 to 3 million deaths, but normal mortality over this period would have accounted for about 500,000 deaths—subtracting this from the total sum, we arrive at Etcheson's range for the number of "excess" deaths attributable to the Khmer Rouge regime.[24] A UN investigation reported 2-3 million dead, while UNICEF estimated 3 million had been killed.[25] Even the Khmer Rouge acknowledged that 2 million had been killed—though they attributed those deaths to a subsequent Vietnamese invasion.[26] By late 1979, UN and Red Cross officials were warning that another 2.25 million Cambodians faced death by starvation due to “the near destruction of Cambodian society under the regime of ousted Prime Minister Pol Pot,”[27] who were saved by American and international aid after the Vietnamese invasion. It is estimated that at least half a million more were starved to death or slaughtered after the invasion from Vietnam.

Kind of ironic the near palindrome of word meaning geometry. Pol Pot - Top Lop

Top: The highest level or degree attainable. The greatest possible intensity.
Lop: Cut off from a whole. Cultivate, tend, and cut back the growth of"dress the plants in the garden."



Themes: Spirit possession, body jumping, horse training, mind control, head popping, esp, psi-warfare across time zones and multiple landscapes.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uftWkJReSYQ




Dawns Highway - The Doors
Indians scattered on dawn's highway bleeding
Ghosts crowd the young child's fragile eggshell mind.
Me and my -ah- mother and father - and a
grandmother and a grandfather - were driving through
the desert, at dawn, and a truck load of Indian
workers had either hit another car, or just - I don't
know what happened - but there were Indians scattered
all over the highway, bleeding to death.
So the car pulls up and stops. That was the first time
I tasted fear. I musta' been about four - like a child is
like a flower, his head is just floating in the
breeze, man.
The reaction I get now thinking about it, looking
back - is that the souls of the ghosts of those dead
Indians...maybe one or two of 'em...were just
running around freaking out, and just leaped into my
soul. And they're still in there.
Indians scattered on dawn's highway bleeding
Ghosts crowd the young child's fragile eggshell mind.
Blood in the streets in the town of New Haven
Blood stains the roofs and the palm trees of Venice
Blood in my love in the terrible summer
Bloody red sun of Phantastic L.A.
Blood screams her brain as they chop off her fingers
Blood will be born in the birth if a nation
Blood is the rose of mysterious union
Blood on the rise, it's following me.
Indian, Indian what did you die for?
Indian says, nothing at all

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[The Mad spirtualist]

I wonder what Charles thinks about Charles Manson. This Charles is wondering. Manson is a mirror reflecting back for those who need to see it.

[Humble Janitor]

It's usually that the ones who are "crazy" are actually the sane ones.

It's the people holding them up as insane that are the truly insane.

[king anthony]

Prior to the murders, Manson was at the Terminal Island prison, which had a reputation of holding people associated with the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States. Other members of Manson's group were also at the same prison prior to the murders.

One of the members of Manson's group was plotting to assassinate Gerald Ford prior to the United States presidential election. If she were successful, then Nelson Rockefeller would have been president of the United States and not vice-president. The Manson murders were surrounded by many levels of deception, including the use of LSD, MK ULTRA brainwashing tactics and were linked to Bobby Kennedy's assassination.

[s3nru]

my understanding was that prison in the 60s was a strange place because you had a mix of hardened criminals and educated students/hippies... lead to some strange avenues of thought.

In his autobiography Timothy Leary talks about his run in with Manson in prison. He very succinctly points out that while Manson initially came across as enlightened, there were character elements that warned Leary off developing a relationship with the man. Manson's a strange character because he's definitely in the mix with some of the heavyweights of the time.

[Noble Hops]

What do you guys think? Am I just trying to find good in someone that is pure evil? I don't think so am I? Let me know if I'm way off base here and put me in check :-)

Don't feel guilty about it.

[king anthony]

my understanding was that prison in the 60s was a strange place because you had a mix of hardened criminals and educated students/hippies... lead to some strange avenues of thought.

In his autobiography Timothy Leary talks about his run in with Manson in prison. He very succinctly points out that while Manson initially came across as enlightened, there were character elements that warned Leary off developing a relationship with the man. Manson's a strange character because he's definitely in the mix with some of the heavyweights of the time.

Timothy Leary 'appears' to have been connected with the Central Intelligence Agency.

[Carmody]

http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html

That was quite a read. It seemed that the intel on the mountain top facility had some sort of q-field link to the little nazi compound a couple of canyons away.
The kid does good research. He rambled a little on page 10-11 range and the article seemed to dive into the abyss with the intoning of the (dick dastardly) R.M.Nixon angle.

It brought to the front of my mind Morrison's poetic intonation "Blood is the rose of mysterious evil." Other people say the same in "What pipe of power you smoking."

Seems like; at various times many parties involved in that spidery matrix of subtle connections got addicted to some sort of esp rush. The manifold of connections to key military figures who played catalyst roles in world conflict that triggered further events leading to massive casualties being the nexus of greatest weight. Morisson's dad as commander of the fleet involved in the Gulf of Tonkin. Bit of creepy numerology from: Wiki



08-02-19-64 & 08-04-19-64 & 08-05-19-64

I think in my understanding of q-consciousness the entire MK operation was crushed by the acquisition of q-space that trumped MK space due to Pol Pots massive slaughter.



It appears to be cyclic use of avatar bloodlines. Not specifically 'evil' (oxymoronic in the overall understanding in some views), by simply part of the patterning for the more evolved souls to provide the emphasis for the flow.

"Blood will tell", as they say.

The duality looms large in potency and use.

Gathering the exact birth information (date, time, place) of all these people and looking for the pattern of birth energies and potency can likely show a notable pattern.

Astrology can be formidable tool in the hands of a keen observer.