John Loftus: Roswell crash WAS a weather balloon, after all!

[str8thinker]

Go to Swami's thread on John Loftus and America's Nazi Secret (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13941).


At 06:28 in Part 2, or at 21:42 in full version, you will hear (my transcription):


John Loftus: The UFO files were hilarious. After WW2 we wanted to monitor Russian progress towards the atomic bomb, so we came up with a series of these gigantic balloons. They were three stories high, made of an early British mylar, with a geiger counter and a tape recorder. And they launched these things in California, across the U.S., over Russia then come round the Pacific. One day one of the balloons crashed - true story - in Roswell, New Mexico. And this was our biggest top-secret spy [instrument?] on the Soviet Union. And the public's out there, and someone in the crowd just looks at the half-deflated balloon and said "It looks like a flying saucer."

And a very brave young army captain grabbed up all the pieces of the fabric [that] he could and spread the word that a flying saucer had crashed in Roswell and the army was covering it up. And that's the story that the press went with, the next day! The Soviets paid no attention. We kept flying the balloons until 1952. The cover-up story worked so well.

Interviewer: Now that's not to discount the issue of Unidentified Flying Objects being an entirely legitimate pursuit, and another question...

JL: The point is, how can the public tell what's real and what's not? There's just so many lies, that's all..

Interviewer: That's been a problem.

JL: We actually had a plant in Canada that manufactured little flying saucers for us. They would use them to buzz passenger planes and other military planes.

Interviewer: Really? You came across documents about this?

JL: Oh...[unintelligible]..look up Avro Aviation...

Interviewer: Okay, okay.

JL: They made little flying saucers, they eventually turned the thing over to the Pentagon. They couldn't straighten out the steering. But it was a cute little scheme so it went for years! They [used them for?] advanced weapons testing, they did it under cover, over a UFO.

Interviewer: It's been used for a long time, the whole phenomenon, to hide all kinds of things. What you're saying is it successfully fooled the Russians until 1952, at least. Very interesting.

(added) Changed title from "weather balloon" to "spy balloon", which is really what it was.

[str8thinker]

After reviewing the evidence, particularly Tom Carey's interview when he examines The Viper (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15750-Viper-Whistle-blower&p=173219&viewfull=1#post173219), I've decided to agree with Bill Ryan that neither John Alexander nor John Loftus are telling the real truth about Roswell, and that it WAS a UFO.

[chancy]

I'm not sure who John Loftus is BUt I know he is feeding great stories to the public IF he actually thinks that Avro Canada made little flying saucers. This is to put it mildly ridiculous. The Avro Arrow was probably the most famous aircraft manufactured by Avro Canada. Unfortunately it was moth balled for NO REASON. The fastest plane in the world at that time and our prime minister destroyed all of them and closed the factory down putting as I recall over 50,000 people out of work and no explanation.
Too actually think or to insinuate that they were making small flying saucers and flying them around is just laughable. Where does this fellow get his info?
IF Avro Canada was making small flying saucers they would still be in business because they are so popular. However the real hardware which was the Avro Arrow went down in flames with out so much as a wave goodbye.
Here are the links that can start anyone on research about Avro Canada and the Avro Arrow.
Chancy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CF-105_Arrow

[Flash]

I'm not sure who John Loftus is BUt I know he is feeding great stories to the public IF he actually thinks that Avro Canada made little flying saucers. This is to put it mildly ridiculous. The Avro Arrow was probably the most famous aircraft manufactured by Avro Canada. Unfortunately it was moth balled for NO REASON. The fastest plane in the world at that time and our prime minister destroyed all of them and closed the factory down putting as I recall over 50,000 people out of work and no explanation.
Too actually think or to insinuate that they were making small flying saucers and flying them around is just laughable. Where does this fellow get his info?
IF Avro Canada was making small flying saucers they would still be in business because they are so popular. However the real hardware which was the Avro Arrow went down in flames with out so much as a wave goodbye.
Here are the links that can start anyone on research about Avro Canada and the Avro Arrow.
Chancy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CF-105_Arrow

sorry Chancy here is the canadian official ufo or ifo


Dedicated to the people and projects of AVRO Canada & Orenda Engines Limited

AVROCAR (the only official "flying saucer")



In 1952, Avro Canada began to study designs for a supersonic cirular wing fighter-bomber, this was funded by the Canadian government with $400,000 allocated. After the $400,000 ran out the Canadian government abandoned the project as being too costly, however enough progress had been made to spark the interest of the U.S. governement.

In July 1954, the first of two U.S. Air Force contracts totaling $1.9 million was awarded to Avro for further study, Avro chipped in $2.5 million and completed design studies and small scale test on a vehicle designated the P.V. 704 (U.S. designation, System 606A). The 606A design was almost 30 ft. in diameter with a maximum weight of 27,000 lbs and a design speed over 1,000 mph.

The U.S. Army became interested in the project in 1958, feeling that the circular wing could fit in with its plans for a "flying jeep", the Air Force agreed to redirect its effort as this could demonstrate the design features of the 606A concept in less time at a must lower price.

The resulting craft was named Avrocar and given the Army designation VZ-9AV (VZ for vertical take-off reseach aircraft, 9 as it was the ninth in a series and AV for Avro)

The Avrocar was a saucer-shaped disk 18 ft in diameter and 3 ft thick, it was designed to go 300 mph and able to fly to an altitude of 10,000 ft. It weighed 5,650 lbs and had separate cockpits for two crew members.

Three Continental J-69 turbojet engines powered a centrally located fan with a diameter of 5 feet.

Two prototypes rolled out of the factory in May and August of 1959 just months after the Arrow project had been cancelled. The first Avrocar (58-7055) was sent to NASA Ames, Moffett Field in California it first flew there on 17 May 1961 and was used for wind-tunnel testing. The second Avrocar took first tethered flight on 29 September 1959 lasting 12 seconds. The first untethered flight occured on 12 November 1959. Formal Air Force flight evaluations occured at Avro in April 1960 and June 1961 - tests showed that the maximum speed was 35 mph and reseach at NASA showed that the Avrocar was aerodynmically unstable.

The program was terminated in December 1961 after a total of $10 million had been spent. At Avro (U.K.) project 724 never proceeded beyond the designs stage in June 1953.
From Aircraft Magazine - October 1962:
The prototype of the vehicle which at one stage gave the Canadian aircraft industry good promise of a major breakthrough in VTOL is today collecting dust in a hangar of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Ames Research Centre at Moffett Field, Calif. Word from the Centre's chief of flight and systems simulation is that no further flight tests are planned with the Avrocar, once regarded as the most advanced and most promising project in the application of ground-effect to development of a pure jet VTOL vehicle. The "Saucer" is reported to have performed well within its ground-effect envelope, but was unstable above about three feet. Initiated by Avro Aircraft, the "Saucer" project was taken over by the U.S. government after Canadian Government support was withdrawn in 1954. A post-mortem on the Avrocar is offered by pilot Fred J. Drinkwater III, a research engineer: "All the new flying concepts are cans of worms at the early stage. Tests showed the saucer would have taken too much more development effort. Other concepts proved more promising".


The two prototypes are currently in the United States, on at the US Army Transportation Museum and the other is at the Smithsonian NASM Garber site

A unique note of trivia for you is that the registered owner of the Avrocar was the U.S. Government
and registration was CF-LWV-X.

Check out your local book store for Bill Zuk's book
Avrocar: Canada's Flying Saucer: The Story of Avro Canada's Secret Projects
it may be ordered online from Chapters.ca (ISBN1-55046-359-4)





http://www.avroland.ca/al-vz9.html


Avro Canada VZ-9 AvrocarFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
"Avrocar" redirects here. For the band, see Avrocar (band).
VZ-9 Avrocar

The Avrocar S/N 58-7055 (marked AV-7055) on its rollout.
Role experimental "proof-of-concept" VTOL vehicle
National origin Canada
Manufacturer Avro Aircraft Ltd. (Canada)
Designed by John Frost
First flight 12 November 1959
Introduced 1958
Retired 1961
Status experimental
Primary users United States Air Force (intended)
United States Army (intended)
Produced 1958–1959
Number built 2
Unit cost Project cost: $10 million (USD)[1]

The Avro Canada VZ-9 Avrocar was a VTOL aircraft developed by Avro Aircraft Ltd. (Canada) as part of a secret U.S. military project carried out in the early years of the Cold War.[2] The Avrocar intended to exploit the Coandă effect to provide lift and thrust from a single "turborotor" blowing exhaust out the rim of the disk-shaped aircraft to provide anticipated VTOL-like performance. In the air, it would have resembled a flying saucer. Two prototypes were built as "proof-of-concept" test vehicles for a more advanced USAF fighter and also for a U.S. Army tactical combat aircraft requirement.[3] In flight testing, the Avrocar proved to have unresolved thrust and stability problems that limited it to a degraded, low-performance flight envelope; subsequently, the project was cancelled in September 1961.

Through the history of the program, the project was referred to by a number of different names. Avro referred to the efforts as Project Y, with individual vehicles known as Spade and Omega. Project Y-2 was later funded by the US Air Force, who referred to it as WS-606A, Project 1794 and Project Silver Bug. When the US Army joined the efforts it took on its final name "Avrocar", and the designation "VZ-9", part of the US Army's VTOL projects in the VZ series.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQK3UcsD-JYvro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUGtPvfkWeQ

[gripreaper]

After reviewing the evidence, particularly Tom Carey's interview when he examines The Viper (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15750-Viper-Whistle-blower&p=173219&viewfull=1#post173219), I've decided to agree with Bill Ryan that neither John Alexander nor John Loftus are telling the real truth about Roswell, and that it WAS a UFO.

And it makes sense that after WW2 with project paperclip,the elite brought all of the known scientists and bright minds from all over the world to America, and expanded the money supply and the population at a feverish clip for 60 years, because the elite needed a technological society to back engineer the craft technology. Our economy grew to where it was bigger than the next six economies combined.

Now that they have gotten the technology as quickly as they wanted, it's time to downsize the factory(America) and withdraw all the excess wealth from the populace and put them into slavery. It may take awhile to downsize the factory, but its well underway.

[conk]

This guy is right and all the other hundreds are not? Piffff.

[Barron]

If Virgil Armstrong is still alive (last i heard he was near Sedona) the team here may want to look him up and interview him. He was physically present at one of the crashed UFOs in the late 40's near Roswell area. Although not at the most famous "Roswell" crash. I listened to him Fri night and all Sat and all Sun about 15 years ago and he is genuine.