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cayman

15th February 2011, 19:53

Would you like to say something regard Awakening to Chinese people in a national magazine? window is open, let's blow the wind, together!

Background story:
Before I joined Avalon forum,at the beginning of January,I wrote an article regard "Global Mass Animals Death", published in a Chinese national magazine. At first, I didn't think too much about it, because journalist isn't my profession, it was a request by a friend whom I talk lots of stuff like things here in Avalon with, I just thought it is a responsibility to do something about it, I didn't have any hope it will be published, because I know the Chinese propaganda censorship too well, besides, this magazine is a Government direct control major magazine, its readership is: government and military officers, Mid-Low level officials, university libraries and middle-class population，its circulation is around 140,000---a leading one in Chinese magazine market.
But turns out, it was published. And the chief editor of the magazine is very interested in it. About a week ago, he asked my friend to call me if I am interested in doing a cover story regard 2012 for the magazine, that was a big surprise---cause he know I'm not a journalist, my profession have nothing to with news media or sciences. To be honest, I had my doubt and fear, 'cause I know the "system" pretty well, so I check and recheck, as far as I know, the chief editor's motive is genuine, even so, it's still very risky in China to do something like that, especially I have no background and nothing concrete to write things like "2012" and its subsidiaries. it will be a rude ride---that is for sure.

Nevertheless, as someone say "Don't let fear make you to do or not do anything", so, what the hell! I'd already jump off the cliff, just do it!

Today, I found out the magazine not just want a single cover story. they want a series of cover stories, each of them should contain a dozen articles. they are considering a theme story of the year.----that's just way beyond my personal capacity. Although I could copy/paste stuff as I see fit to make a book, but that is just not right, yes,for now, it is my responsibility, and yes, I believe I could do it with a pure heart, Yet,given any chances, it is not my position to tell people whatever I feel right/wrong. yes, I might know something more than the magazine editor for now, but I know what I know now is far from the truth. people need truth, but the story about truth should be told from multiple sides & levels, then people decide whatever truth they want---that's their nature right and talent---no single man should decide what is the truth

Therefore
Given this opportunity(if it isn't,let's make it to be), I would like to invite all Avalonians, and peoples around the world whoever seek the truth, write something, anything you are good at and you believe it is truth regard the "2012" and more importantly---Awakening, tell them to the Chinese people, they are awakening!

few words: I do consider the risk of making it public before it even began, this action might greatly jeopardize this opportunity and even dangerous to myself. secrecy may be a good choice under any circumstances in this world. But I believe secrecy is what corrupt our soul and ultimately corrupt this world, and I believe a holographic society is our future,no secrecy,no hidden agenda for the "greater good" crap----why not we do it right here, right now!let us do it together!

what say you?

cayman

15th February 2011, 20:05

Calendar Log 1

I'll meet the magazine editors tomorrow afternoon, I'll present my basic points and materials to them, we will discuss the process and the whole issue. then I will find out what they really want to do and how much we can do about it.

If it turns out not an opportunity, I'll still do the same thing. I'll start my own schedule, I'd plan to do something like that for months, sooner or later, anyway.

If I get muted or "harmonized" , you'll know very soon and please tell the story to the later ones

I'll begin some preparation for tomorrow meeting from now

About this magazine: Chinese name "世界博览" in English 'World Vision'， semimonthly magazine, under the administration of Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs
here is the blog of the magazine cover stories: http://blog.sina.com.cn/worldvision
this is a sample of the magazine http://www.zcom.com/m/shijiebolan/17368/

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update
upload my first article on the magazine, scan picture(sorry for the poor quality, forum limit)
its basic point is: there might be a connection between "Global Mass Animals Death "and "ley line" theory
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funny coincidence or make up?
pictures speak more than thousand words
"ley line" source: google map search keyword"ley line"
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global mass animals death points in google map
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Nortreb

15th February 2011, 20:10

Autumn

15th February 2011, 20:39

I admire your approach to this challenge because I really believe it is going to be a challenge in more ways than one.

I have some editorial experience so I’d like to offer whatever help I can or whatever help you want. I can offer to help write and rewrite the material and help get a bit of perspective and structure. The 2012 subject is one I have been fascinated by for years so brainstorming the subject won’t be like having to educate someone from the beginning if this is an offer you feel would or could help you get a collected idea of materials to put in your stories and which to leave out. I believe there are many more people here on Avalon who can give just as much if not more through good brainstorming sessions, I just know that I’m good at the structural brainstorming for/of materials – handling many topics at the same time and making them connect at the end. Just an offer, if you want to take me up on it, then PM me.

Autumn

fifi

15th February 2011, 23:50

Hi Cayman,

Please be careful when doing this. Make sure that what you write will not be used against you. Maybe time has changed, I don't know. For my own experience living under communism in my country, anything that is not in-line with the government/party policy is a ticket to jail.

Lifebringer

16th February 2011, 00:02

It's a great start for communication to the Chinese Government, that might bring enlightenment to the government to seek the change the world needs.

People power, eh?

Direct them to the Youtube videos and let them tell you what they think of it, then make your decision on how to proceed. If they are serious they will talk seriously, and not like you are a child.

Lifebringer

16th February 2011, 00:06

REcently China had contact and India and China are protecting the visitors according to disclosure in underground area.

This may be the reasoning for their curiosity. Perhaps they want to know all we know, and the reasoning for the trust.
It has to come from within, that's how I feel it. From within.

Autumn

16th February 2011, 10:24

I read an article which said that Chinese farmers laughed at the fact that the west don’t believe in UFOs because they see them often as they retreated to their base in the Chinese mountains. Unfortunately I don’t know where I read the article, but maybe this means we should stop looking to America for disclosure – they are the ones who have been lying about the existence of UFOs for the past 60 years and the ones hoping to gain power from such a cover up.

As most westerns I know almost nothing of China but a lot about America. It would then be possible for us to entirely misunderstand Chinas stand on the subject because of our lack of knowledge on how they are as a people and as a culture. It’s like trying to teach a mermaid to dance – without the fundamentals for dancing (legs), how can we teach her? It is the same with lack of knowledge about another culture before thinking one understands it. Guess it’s a fundamental flaw of especially westerns – we think we know everything! Let us step back and open our eyes, remember that we have a baggage of disinformation to hold us back (which leads to a judgmental mind and view) and let us see the world with all its wonderful varieties. Grow legs before you try to dance or at least acknowledge that you need legs and then find them.

But I do agree that articles such as these should be as objective and informative on as broad a material as possible. They should inform, not persuade, they should show the theories as contradictive as they might be so that people can awake by feeling and learn to long for knowledge of truth, not be presented in a way so it is just more disinformation – then you would be no better than the ones misinforming us, the general public, now.

Was the first article printed under your own name or a pseudonym? I doesn’t have to be the same.

Just my .02 $

witchy1

16th February 2011, 10:41

Congratulations on your first published article cayman, what a great accolade to be invited back. I guess you will know more from tomorrow about focus, what you can do and cant do etc.

Maybe you could run an editorial and invite topics from your audience, at least that way you can jimmy your way in and have an active listening audience about stuff they want to hear about (we can be your audience as well) so you can go to the boss and tell her this topic is what the people want to read, hence increasing revenues from sales ra de ra de ra........ sales pitch :-)

Well done.:hug:

Adaiahsshadow

16th February 2011, 10:42

I'm very honored to have met you cayman. It is a very brave and admirable thing your doing. I myself was asked to give a speach at a local college on religion in April. The reason I was asked is because it is for a sociology class. I know the professor of the class and have several discussions with her pertaining to different religions and some of their fundamental beliefs and what commonly causes conflicts between them. She said it was refreshing to see someone that could speak of more than one religion with out having a biased opinion. Well I look forward to reading this article of yours and seeing the responses of the citizens there.

Namaste.

cayman

16th February 2011, 16:55

Calendar Log 2

I'm back, a warm discussion, and I learn a lot.

Meet the whole editors on board. we talked about 6 hours for the whole subject and the approach we might take. apparently, they are very enthusiastic about this object. I'll play a role as project advisor and co-hatcher, we all agree I will keep anonymous in any cases.
the whole plan is present all pro and con at the same time, the bottom line is we can't spread fear or anything like that. disinformation is the watch line they keep from me. therefore , we will start in all scientific way, first step, we will collect any mainstream scientists opinion about 2012, pro and con, with actual data and theory can be easily accepted by major population, let them judge themselves.---that would be a probe and a smooth beginning. see the reaction(especially the official reaction)

The basic principle we follow is: 2012 is a great portal and chance we should all learn something about it, whether it will be good or bad, true or false, it is a great chance to learn more about the uncharted territory, and we wish people who learn something from it, should find peace in their hearts. tricks and con are what we should disclose,love and light are what we should present.

It is a long way to go.

Despite all the drama and big games playing within the Avalon right now, I wish you guys take less attention to those boring game, take more attention to the people around you. Do what we can, regardless sneers and difficulties.

highvoltage

16th February 2011, 17:14

Despite all the drama and big games playing within the Avalon right now, I wish you guys take less attention to those boring game, take more attention to the people around you. Do what we can, regardless sneers and difficulties.[/QUOTE]

VERY TRUE WORDS!!!!!!

cayman

16th February 2011, 17:15

cayman

16th February 2011, 17:35

Hi Cayman,

Please be careful when doing this. Make sure that what you write will not be used against you......

thanks, fifi. you are very kind. your concerns always warm my heart.
I will be careful and focus, regardless any risk, I find my peace in heart by doing this thing. I believe I have a long way in this lifetime. storm and thunder, always was and always will be concomitants in my life, peace in heart is a gift from them, I'm grateful for that. If I end up in jail, I will do it from the jail.

I just wanna make sure myself do the right thing, keep ego out of my way. my friends, that is what I need most from you. your slap are always welcome

cayman

16th February 2011, 17:41

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Direct them to the Youtube videos and let them tell you what they think of it, then make your decision on how to proceed. If they are serious they will talk seriously, and not like you are a child.

Good idea. and I do believe they take it seriously, I see that as a real good sign.
If I told people things like that 2 years ago, they very likely would call the police and take me in :cool: seriously

cayman

16th February 2011, 17:53

.....but maybe this means we should stop looking to America for disclosure – they are the ones who have been lying about the existence of UFOs for the past 60 years and the ones hoping to gain power from such a cover up...
.. we think we know everything! Let us step back and open our eyes, remember that we have a baggage of disinformation to hold us back (which leads to a judgmental mind and view) and let us see the world with all its wonderful varieties. Grow legs before you try to dance or at least acknowledge that you need legs and then find them......

very wise, Autumn

....
... I do agree that articles such as these should be as objective and informative on as broad a material as possible. They should inform, not persuade, they should show the theories as contradictive as they might be so that people can awake by feeling and learn to long for knowledge of truth, not be presented in a way so it is just more disinformation – then you would be no better than the ones misinforming us, the general public, now.

:nod: I will keep that in mind. Do me a favor, keep remind me on that, kick me if I ever do anything against that principle

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Was the first article printed under your own name or a pseudonym? I doesn’t have to be the same.

pseudonym, my choice

cayman

16th February 2011, 18:03

......

Maybe you could run an editorial and invite topics from your audience, at least that way you can jimmy your way in and have an active listening audience about stuff they want to hear about (we can be your audience as well) so you can go to the boss and tell her this topic is what the people want to read, hence increasing revenues from sales ra de ra de ra........ sales pitch :-)
.......

Smart move, thanks! witchy1
I think that is a good idea, interaction is really what I like. I will recommend that to the editor, I'll let you know how it turns out.:o

cayman

16th February 2011, 18:13

.....Well I look forward to reading this article of yours and seeing the responses of the citizens there.

.....

I'll try to scan a copy tomorrow, translate to jpeg and translate an English version.
It's my honor to meet you too, Adaiahsshadow.

johnf

16th February 2011, 18:43

bennycog

16th February 2011, 21:34

you warm our hearts cayman

Anchor

16th February 2011, 22:04

Cayman,

to what extent will you be focussing on the emerging and accelerating spiritual awakening in the masses and its effects on society. I expect that this is probably a taboo at the moment?

What sort of subjects do you think you would cover - if you know how many articles you will be doing - you can plan out a structure for the whole series.

John..

Carmody

16th February 2011, 22:54

If I get muted or "harmonized" , you'll know very soon and please tell the story to the later ones

Yes, I don't think you want to catch that particular bus.

Chuck

16th February 2011, 23:47

For now, I'm thinking of a structure base on 5 different angles: NASA；Zecharia Sitchin ；Richard Hoagland；Patrick Geryl；Chinese interior research

may be Patrick Geryl is a little bit extreme, but hey, who am I to judge? this guy do know more than me

what do you guys think? anyone else should we add?

Congratulations Cayman for creating this new adventure for yourself. I hope it serves to bring about a greater purposeful good for you and for China.

Two other people come to mind right now that you might want to research for consideration is:

Ian Xel Lungold for his views on the Mayan Calendar here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA0nJe7RFqU)

George Kavassilas for his views on ascension (extreme, but enlightening :) ) here (http://georgekavassilas.org/)

Regardless if they speak truth or not, their views seem to captivate the attention of many of the 2012 enthusiasts.

Voda

17th February 2011, 06:52

Would you like to say something regard Awakening to Chinese people in a national magazine? window is open, let's blow the wind, together!

when i visited China, i have been given one of the most precious gifts of my life from complete strangers, the Chinese people i passed on the streets...

it was pure, gentle love towards an 'alien' without prejudice
this is my message to them in turn... i will never forget

V

cayman

17th February 2011, 07:39

....
when i visited China, i have been given one of the most precious gifts of my life from complete strangers, the Chinese people i passed on the streets...

it was pure, gentle love towards an 'alien' without prejudice
this is my message to them in turn... i will never forget

V

would you like to share more detail about that? that would be great

vibrations

17th February 2011, 08:16

Dear cayman I found a very convincing info about 2012 in http://www.mayanmajix.com/. Explanation of the researchers has a lot of logic, look at it (if you did not yet) and maybe some new point of view will come up. First of all, it is nothing catastrophic.
Good luck with your work.

mrkumamon

17th February 2011, 08:27

Once I had a dream about this holographic world too .I know the basic understanding of this kind of world is like the Buddha's saying: a drop of water reflects the whole world or seeing the falling leave ,we know the coming of autumn under heaven
Ideas are fantastic and intriguing but actually just like science ,theories forming in brain are often decades or even centuries in advance of when reality set in

And congratulations to you Cayman ,you're prompting the development of human civilization

cayman

17th February 2011, 08:31

to what extent will you be focussing on the emerging and accelerating spiritual awakening in the masses and its effects on society. I expect that this is probably a taboo at the moment?

What sort of subjects do you think you would cover - if you know how many articles you will be doing - you can plan out a structure for the whole series.

John..

you nail it! John. that is THE taboo, the Awakening is the theme,yet, we would present many aspect of research regard science & spirituality convergence,Quantum physic or sorts which they are not so far out to understand but not something you can see in mainstream media. experiment science, should we say

the magazine name World Vision---okay, we do a world vision theme of the frontline pertain what is the biggest concern of worldwide people right now, that seems an appropriate start,then we will see how far we can go, what kind of reaction we might get, it is a probe, it is a test----that's what I hope the magazine platform can accomplish, nothing more

actual Disclosure Project need multiple chain reactions in many levels, no single-man nor one way can achieve that. and I know many seeds have been plant in China already

cayman

17th February 2011, 08:39

If I get muted or "harmonized" , you'll know very soon and please tell the story to the later ones

Yes, I don't think you want to catch that particular bus.

Thanks for the headsup, Carmody.

Frankly, I don't care. if I can't do it this lifetime, I will do it next lifetime---that is the benefit of ignorance

nevertheless, to be wise, could you elaborate more on that,Carmody? is that something you wrote in the "Heather" thread?

cayman

17th February 2011, 08:44

.... I found a very convincing info about 2012 in http://www.mayanmajix.com/. Explanation of the researchers has a lot of logic, look at it (if you did not yet) and maybe some new point of view will come up. First of all, it is nothing catastrophic.
Good luck with your work.

Thank you, vibrations, that's really helpful, I like this link, it present maya calendar very graphically, I love that.:o

the_flyingboy

17th February 2011, 08:45

cayman

17th February 2011, 08:47

.....
.......

Two other people come to mind right now that you might want to research for consideration is:

Ian Xel Lungold for his views on the Mayan Calendar here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA0nJe7RFqU)

George Kavassilas for his views on ascension (extreme, but enlightening :) ) here (http://georgekavassilas.org/)

Regardless if they speak truth or not, their views seem to captivate the attention of many of the 2012 enthusiasts.

Great, thank you, Chuck. that's exactly what I'm looking for

the_flyingboy

17th February 2011, 08:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ1wUH9S1jM

Billy

17th February 2011, 08:54

What a fantastic opportunity Cayman. Yes i agree keep it Scientific and factual, The Mayan Calander, and other Calanders. Vedic. Egyptian, The positions of the planets,the sun and equinoxes, Maybe a mention of some "theories" that are doing the rounds, but state that they are NOT scientific facts, Like, some channelers believe this is a window of opportunity. the coming of the age of Aquarius.

Great news. well done

cayman

17th February 2011, 09:29

i think the best way to start about the 2012 thing to your country is to talk about something that comes from your country the I-CHING i saw a video once of this man who got the I-CHING into numbers and those numbers into dates and came out to show at exactly 21/12/2012 things will go down but as i said to other posts noone really knows whats really going to happen.

I think you talk about Taylen Macanna(I don't know his exact name,someone help me on that) , I saw a video in which it present the I-CHING chart worked out by Taylen Macanna, I found it is very interesting, but when I google him, found nothing. could someone help me?

thanks for your idea, the_flyingboy, it is a good idea. I-CHING and TuibeiTu(推背图)、MeihuaShi(梅花诗)...etc, there are many creditable prophecies in China, they last for thousands of years. they are good, but they are too good to be forbidden by Authority, we can hardly talk about the country origin prophecies publicly, but we can talk something from the western world, you see the irony?

Besides, personally, I don't take prophecies too seriously, even it was proved to be true in the past. prophecies always have backfire, it create certain paradigm and people lack of willingness to change,mostly,fear.
what will happen in the world is not important, it is what people wiling to manifest for their future---that count.

the_flyingboy

17th February 2011, 09:57

his name is Terence McKenna

the_flyingboy

17th February 2011, 10:05

i know a bit on whats happening in china cause i have a friend which has a year here he hardly knows english but we communicate he is a Feng shui (i think thats how its spelt) practitioner and he wasn't allowed to practise it either he said to me, i dont know how true it is but thats the info he gave me and that much of ancient chinese practises are forbidden which is a pity for me because we both come from ancient civilitations ones that gave light or knowledge in some way to this place and its best to learn from our ancestors which had it right..

cayman

17th February 2011, 10:22

i know a bit on whats happening in china cause i have a friend which has a year here he hardly knows english but we communicate he is a Feng shui (i think thats how its spelt) practitioner and he wasn't allowed to practise it ....

Feng Shui is okay, it's a derivative from I-CHING, it is very popular in China this day, especially for those bureaucrats and wealthy ones, well-known Feng Shui practitioners are rare commodity in China today, they get pay pretty well ,but you can't practice that publicly.

i dont know how true it is but thats the info he gave me and that much of ancient chinese practises are forbidden which is a pity for me ......

That is true. but you know what, there are still many ancient Chinese practices exist in remote rural areas. for the last decade, more and more urban citizens start to find those ancient knowledge,and are trying to resume ancient custom

power could do many thing, but power never will overcome spirituality

cayman

17th February 2011, 10:37

his name is Terence McKenna

thank you! I found his website http://www.terencemckenna.com/

jackovesk

17th February 2011, 10:51

..... I really believe it is going to be a challenge in more ways than one.

I have some editorial experience so I’d like to offer whatever help I can or whatever help you want. I can offer to help write and rewrite the material and help get a bit of perspective and structure.......

Autumn

Thank you so much, Autumn. I'll keep that in mind. Now, we are trying scientific data approach which will need a full structure perspective, I'm not a scientist. but if you have a scientific structure perspective of how to see things will/will not happen in 2012, that will be very helpful. for example, two man I can think of who is good at prove things in a scientific way: Patrick Geryl & Richard Hoagland
their research methods are more very close to the conventional way. yet their opinion regard 2012 is different.

For now, I'm thinking of a structure base on 5 different angles: NASA；Zecharia Sitchin ；Richard Hoagland；Patrick Geryl；Chinese interior research

may be Patrick Geryl is a little bit extreme, but hey, who am I to judge? this guy do know more than me

what do you guys think? anyone else should we add?

Hi Cayman,

What a fantastic opportunity you have in front of you, one you can not take lightly but one of huge importance.

Assuming you already have a grounding on where to draw the information required from a Chinese perspective on 2012.

My intial advice is to PM Bill Ryan and not only ask for his assistance but also his network of friends, to help you form a strategy and structure for your initial article.

I have no doubt he would be willing to help and guide you through this project. Especially if you briefed him on your 1st meeting with the editor of 'Vision'.

If you follow the editors guidelines for the 1st article and push the envelope ever so slighty to force a followup piece, always remaining in anominity. I think you may just have the 'Ice Pick' to break down the Govts. Glacier, which in turn will open up an opportunity to complete the series!

Silent Impact & Resonance is probably the wisest approach...

All the Best

Jack

cayman

17th February 2011, 17:07

........

My intial advice is to PM Bill Ryan and not only ask for his assistance but also his network of friends, to help you form a strategy and structure for your initial article.

I have no doubt he would be willing to help and guide you through this project. Especially if you briefed him on your 1st meeting with the editor of 'Vision'.

If you follow the editors guidelines for the 1st article and push the envelope ever so slighty to force a followup piece, always remaining in anominity. I think you may just have the 'Ice Pick' to break down the Govts. Glacier, which in turn will open up an opportunity to complete the series!

Silent Impact & Resonance is probably the wisest approach...

All the Best

Jack

thank you, Jack, that's very thoughtful :clap2: Strategy and Approach suggestions are vital.

"Silent Impact & Resonance" is very wise, in Chinese term, we have a word for this kind of approach: Tai Ji-----just like my avatar

Peace of Mind

17th February 2011, 17:21

wow, my post disappeared...

:confused:

Peace

Voda

17th February 2011, 17:22

....

when i visited China...

would you like to share more detail about that? that would be great

let me give it some thought cayman... i will be in touch with some ideas
be sure of this: China has a special pulse that is unique on its own, yet not separate from the rest of the planet...
the energy you put into this project will not be a waste

V

FearNot

18th February 2011, 05:22

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de rien

18th February 2011, 05:32

Knowledge is power and you are helping to increase the power, thank you! I would like to offer a reminder, IMHO, it would be beneficial to the cause of manifesting the new peaceful world, to spread the word but in a manner that would not incite fear. It would be counter-productive to divulge information that would scare people. I believe it is necessary for the information to be known, so perhaps you could provide guidance for one to cultivate one's self to be able to digest such information and understand it's purpose, and then to use it in a way that would help to build momentum towards the positive rather than the negative. If too many people get ahold of the truth, and they let it put them in a place of fear, that could build momentum the other way. Namasté Friend

Darla Ken Pearce

18th February 2011, 05:37

Wow! I would love to participate in something like this. Although, I don't have your particular concerns, I understand them well. You are right by using your heart as a guide. Chinese are awakening, there is no doubt about it and they are doing it in a huge mass of wonderment ~ their fears and lack of freedom are to be a thing of the past. They will lead us in a new way and are well equipped to do it from our historic past. Secrecy was necessary when dealing with the West. Just look at how they were treated in the Opium Wars, and the colonial ways to infringed upon their people. They are the ones who are pushing the rest of the world into a new currency based not on debt but real values. They are practically blackmailing the rest of the world to disclose not only our Celestial relatives who some call ET's but also to unleash the power of free energy for all. This is truly an enlightened people who I would love to offer any knowledge I can muster for the benefit of a greater understanding for all of us. Thanks for sharing this precious offer! I'm interested and would like to know more about who would like some help and how to contact them. xoxox

Darla Ken Pearce

18th February 2011, 05:40

You are a fabulous resource for all of us! Many thanks for your wisdom and light! xoxox

cayman

20th February 2011, 22:25

......China has a special pulse that is unique on its own, yet not separate from the rest of the planet...
......

that take me into a deep thought for 2 days. somehow it resonate with something hidden very deep, thank you, Voda. I'll keep thinking about it, it is a good trigger

cayman

20th February 2011, 22:31

....

My 2 favourite videos about 2012 / disclosure / emerging consciousness that include allot of hard data and references are:

[B]1) Alfred Webre...

[B]2) Mary Rodwell ....

Thank you very much, FearNot. that is really helpful. I'd dig into two source, they very intriguing. I'm sorting this information for reference to the editors.

cayman

20th February 2011, 22:37

cayman

20th February 2011, 22:47

..... They are the ones who are pushing the rest of the world into a new currency based not on debt but real values. They are practically blackmailing the rest of the world to disclose not only our Celestial relatives who some call ET's but also to unleash the power of free energy for all. .....

I don't know that for sure yet. but if they did, I hope it is for the sake of humanity.
anyway, now I learn somehow the "white hats" are very active in China, may be that is a good sign. any rate, I will find my way to communicate with the "white hats", we will see how is it going

cayman

20th February 2011, 23:06

Calendar Log 3

I'm considering the disclosure of the means and weapons from the "Social Engineering"(3rd world war,etc.) as a starter may be helpful for the Theme "Awakening"? I had an extensive research(load of material) into this stuff for years, in my personal experience of awakening, "social engineering" is the onset point. besides, this kind of stuff is very close to the public ordinary life, may be people will resonate with this more easily, after all, in reality, the word "2012" become a misleading preoccupancy concept in many people's mind.

what do you think?

cayman

23rd February 2011, 15:46

They do love the social engineering stuff, it resonate so much with themselves.
I think the chief editor wanna make it as a portal.
May be it is better as the first wave.
Majority population only concern things happen around them,ok,then,that is a cutting point
Do you have any recommendations about social engineering? Links? Books?

bluestflame

23rd February 2011, 15:48

yes, cayman, the most powerful tool the elite use against us , through the media , is our own mind , our own fears

cayman

23rd February 2011, 20:32

yes, cayman, the most powerful tool the elite use against us , through the media , is our own mind , our own fears

as well as selfishness, self-gratifying, irresponsibility,lack of self-disciplined and self-involved

cayman

24th February 2011, 17:09

Calendar Log 4

Because the 'Jasmine Revolution' demonstration happened in China on the last sunday, things get pretty heated. things just happen too fast, now, governt. pull the propaganda control sword out ! they shut down internet connection in some major districs temporarily, jam the internet activities around the contry deliberately...ect.
there will be more to come, that is for sure.
we might have a much more tricky situation to deal with than every before.

FearNot

1st March 2011, 08:23

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bennycog

1st March 2011, 10:10

" cayman
this kind of stuff is very close to the public ordinary life, may be people will resonate with this more easily, after all, in reality, the word "2012" become a misleading preoccupancy concept in many people's mind. "

Your right here Cayman. The people of the world are hammered with the so called rulers veiw of 2012. Oh how you have a chance to change that for your part of the world.
Once again i think i speak for most if not all of the forum here by saying the force be with you :)

cayman

1st March 2011, 12:56

Be well Cayman - trust your instincts about how to move forward with your writing. About your request for books or links about "social engineering", can you expand your view on that so I can assist you with PDF info? The term "social engineering" can mean many things...
Regards
Deborah

thank you, FearNot
"social engineering", a narrow concept in my view is: economic manipulation, media manipulation, education manipulation, basically all kind of manipulations by PTB in this so-call modern society. this kind of engineering is very close to our normal real life on earth today. from my research, it may began in 1954, from USA, now around the world. but I have very few documents on that, none of them are details, 'cause you know, it is A BIG secrete.

a wide concept in my view is: Human Mind System manipulation, religions or spirit manipulation, this kind of manipulation by high above being I.E. Anunnaki. this kind of engineering being conducted for god knows eons. that has everything to do with our spiritual advancement or stagnation.

Airwooz

1st March 2011, 13:29

cayman

1st March 2011, 14:01

There is no disclosure in china, china is the future NWO standard model for the rest of the world,since Mao and Nixon goverment established some sort of contract.And it turns china into a world factory, and both George Orwell and Neil Postman's society. And US military industry complex keep exported weapon technology(not mars technology) to china. For example the recently J-20 stealth figher. USAF's X37B finished its flight test, china go after by tested the similar craft . Anyone who knows a lit bit about the military matters would understand what iam saying here. DO NOT think that chinese will disclosure anything, ordinary chinese doesn't care things like ET or Moon base. sorry for my english hope you can understand, I am not a native english speaker...

That is a fair point of view.
I heard a rumor said that the J-20 use a USAF F-16 flight control system basically. nevertheless, G.W.BUSH signed a Bill which allow US military sell "high-tech"(what ever that means) weapons to PRC---that is a fact.
Of course, "ordinary chinese doesn't care things like ET or Moon base"---so does ordinary peoples around the world, the basic point of that is "what does those ET stuffs have anything to do with my ordinary life?--don't know,don't care".

What if it is true that the ET stuffs have everything to do with our lives? what should we do about it?

Airwooz

1st March 2011, 14:23

cayman

2nd March 2011, 03:44

.......

Not F16 flight system(I think you talking about J10), but more advance F22 or other US stealth fighter technology. Considering Chinese using alots of Russian weapon system in the past 2 decade, suddenly they have this 5 generation stealth fighter, and US defense secretary Gates didn't know anything about it, where is the CIA and other suppose to be the top intelligence division in the world ? i can only figured out that either Gates were being cheated or he just playing his role for the NWO agenda

Did it occur to you that HU is treated in the same way?

yuhui

2nd March 2011, 05:48

johnf

2nd March 2011, 06:27

I just listened to Robert Deans recent interview, and he repeated what he said numerous times before. The united States government will never disclose the presence of ET's.
He talks about a study done where they decided that it would destabilize the world on government, religious, social levels.
Richard Hoagland shows copies of documents by a giant NASA conference on the early space program which discussed the consequences of disclosing any possible evidence of ET
presence here or wherever we went and They said exactly what Robert Dean said the Air Force concluded.
Now why would the Chinese government not have this information and be driven by the same conclusions (the real motivation comes from the fact that any previously established power system and it's members would lose it's power, and it's members their positions.) Most of the things done by the chinese government seems to be viciously driven by the upholding of the status quo.
The kicker though is the other factions that are shifting around inside and around the government in China. The demonstrations are ongoing in spite of the dire consequences to those that
stand up to the PRC, and stuff does get out, there is also stuff getting out from India.
I think the best hope for disclosure is sideways leaks from all countries tieing into those that openly disclose

Airwooz

2nd March 2011, 06:37

[QUOTE=Airwooz;160590].......

Did it occur to you that HU is treated in the same way?

Probably pal, since Mao has wiped out most of the elite during culture revolution, Hu became one of those young political
star who really good at propaganda. But he lack of backgroud, I think they pick him out just for balancing variety political faction within the party.So does the next president Xi.

Airwooz

2nd March 2011, 06:57

,since Mao and Nixon goverment established some sort of contract.And it turns china into a world factory, and both George Orwell and Neil Postman's society.

I think Disclosure Project in China does not necessarily mean Disclosure Project by Chinese government.
I mean, they are totally different concepts.
And I understand when Chinese people come across the word “project"，government would firstly appeared in their heads.

For those people, I strongly recommend the book <Rediscover Society> http://book.douban.com/subject/4199761/

DO NOT think that chinese will disclosure anything, ordinary chinese doesn't care things like ET or Moon base.

I am just curious what makes you think like that? Or what makes you think you have the right to speak for the ORDINARY CHINESE, like me? or yourself perhaps.....

To be realistic I think you didn't realize how deep your life has been control by the goverment, too naive to think that ORDINARY CHINES has this ability to run a disclosure campaign in China. Look beyond the sea they have Alex jones, David Icke, Steve greer, Richard hogland................ and all kinds of alternative media fighting this War, what about China? Can you show me something you consider as None goverment movement ?!

yuhui

2nd March 2011, 08:25

To be realistic I think you didn't realize how deep your life has been control by the goverment, too naive to think that ORDINARY CHINES has this ability to run a disclosure campaign in China. Look beyond the sea they have Alex jones, David Icke, Steve greer, Richard hogland................ and all kinds of alternative media fighting this War, what about China? Can you show me something you consider as None goverment movement ?!

OF COURSE I know the CONTROL by the government.I think expecting China to have someone lecturing reptilians shadow Government is naive.Let alone the contemporary state of China,people's behaviour is profoundly affected by national and regional cultures. Chinese society is not the same as western societies, like Individualism vs. collectivism, Weak vs. strong uncertainty avoidance and Indulgence vs. restraint. I think people believe whatever they want to believe and they have unlimited ability whatsoever.And in China, personally, I see a large awaking.

But the problem is when you refering the words like campaign and fighting,it would easily misleading people to elsewhere but not the real goal of a disclosure project.That is the awaking of people in a Higher level of conciousness.And it is not only about ET, moon base, or control.

I think the best hope for disclosure is sideways leaks from all countries tieing into those that openly disclose

There are actually a lot of alternative media in China, or citizen groups that has being trying to enlighten the others.See here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/group.php?discussionid=180&do=discuss (I hope you know Chinese, but if not, feel free to pm me.)

cayman

2nd March 2011, 17:57

......

I think Disclosure Project in China does not necessarily mean Disclosure Project by Chinese government.
I mean, they are totally different concepts.
And I understand when Chinese people come across the word “project"，government would firstly appeared in their heads.

.......

......

To be realistic I think you didn't realize how deep your life has been control by the goverment, too naive to think that ORDINARY CHINES has this ability to run a disclosure campaign in China. Look beyond the sea they have Alex jones, David Icke, Steve greer, Richard hogland................ and all kinds of alternative media fighting this War, what about China? Can you show me something you consider as None goverment movement ?!

Both, fair points.
IMHO, the world we are living in is the world we all created,
Is the PTB we should blame? is the PTB our enemy?
I think not,if there is any true enemy(so to speak), or whom we should blame for----It is inside everyone of US, when we, as individual, cease to take our own responsibilities, pretty own face by dirty others hands---that is when the evil genius come in, take advantage of our selfishness, then create the world we are in now.
who is responsible for that?

we always talk about the "big picture", "grant vision", how about this time we do something for a change----we, you,i, should really looking into my heart, talk the "little picture" with myself, what do I want truly? what should I do to achieve that without other people's expense?

Naive, right?----extremely naive! from any standard in this current paradigm----but I thought this "current paradigm" is the one you don't like---So, what should we do about it?

I don't know about your guys, but I am going back to be a child again, play mud with my little hands, build sand castle on the beach, do whatever I dream of :dance:

only this time, I wash my hands and dirty clothes all by myself.
"thanks, No, thanks, mum."

cayman

3rd March 2011, 00:41

...The united States government will never disclose the presence of ET's.
......
Now why would the Chinese government not have this information and be driven by the same conclusions (the real motivation comes from the fact that any previously established power system and it's members would lose it's power, and it's members their positions.) .....

"wishing PTB to do something"= "hating PTB did things"= Delusion

where is this Delusion come from? <--- always hoping others to do something we wish for<= self-distrust(not believing we have the ability to do it ourselves) + X(selfishness, may be)

where is this self-distrust come from?
Don't realize who we really are---sleeping

how we can re-discover who we really are?
Awakening, Enlightenment? maybe, I'm still on my way searching for answer

Belief is the only supply I have in this long way of searching

cayman

4th March 2011, 04:34

what is the essence of "social engineering"? ---- Seduction and Distraction

Lady in Red ---Matrix
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cayman

4th March 2011, 04:48

Real tricky thing is not that people are sleeping, but this
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cayman

17th March 2011, 10:05

Calendar Log 5

"Jump off the cliff, Angles will catch you"

funny how things might turn out by the way itself. "Angles" or "luck" shall we say, do show mercy from time to time

big test is coming, for real

Cognitive Dissident

19th March 2011, 05:28

hao

19th March 2011, 21:21

Hi cayman, since this thread deals specifically with ET stuff from China, i will repost some of the stuff i've already shared in your "anyone interested in what's happening in China?" thread.
Take my inputs as a part on overall "China-Alien connection" theme, because there are much to share and it will be quite long discussion, i will take my time to share things with anyone whos interested in "China-Alien connection".

Ancient China-Alien connection

Hangzhou's Xiaoshan airport was shut down for more than an hour last year, due to a trespassing UFO. Just 3 days ago all flights were suspended due to runway crack, which was caused by prolonged low temperature, according to an "official" explanation. May be so, but i just wondered whether its coincidence or not that it is the same airport which was shut down by an UFO last year?
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9...2/7294326.html

Hangzhou is within the area where ancient Liangzhu culture located, i just discovered last year that the cultures of ancient China have some cultural connection to both ancient Mesoamerican and pre-Incan cultures, based on certain relics, i suspect there was a common "god"(or a group of gods) influencing the ancient cultures of China and the Americas.

If 2012 is the date when these ancient American "gods" will "return", (because i suspect they never really left), then i cant stop to wonder whether they have facilities in the vicinity of the ancient cultures that they influenced?

Like in the city of Hangzhou? One of the most famous poet of the Song dynasty, Su Shi(1037-1101AD) once reported an incident in one of his poems, when he was sailing over the West lake (one of Hangzhou's most famous attraction) one night, a luminant object suddenly came out of the lake and lightened the nearby hill as it flew across.

The luminant object in the 11th century was definitely not "man-made" or "Chinese lantern", i just have to wonder whether it was a "temporary parking" or there is something "permanent" there.

Example of certain cultural connection between ancient China and ancient Americas:

I came across “The Hidden History of the Human Race" by accident

Among the many interesting things the program showed, I can't stop noticing the similarities between certain ancient Ecuadorian artifacts and that of the Qijia culture from China

The Ecuadorian figurines have distinct large round eyes and a distinct mouth
http://i55.tinypic.com/2j4znlh.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/bdp9bd.jpg

This one, besides the distinct large round eyed figures, the shape of this artifact, a round object with a round hole in the centre very much resembles the ancient Chinese jade bi object, which was used for the worship of the heaven since ancient Chinese believed in a "round" heaven.
http://i52.tinypic.com/2lo0unp.jpg
An ancient Chinese Jade bi
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ic9tsi.jpg

The figurines from the Qijia culture bear uncanny similarities to the ancient Ecuadorian figures shown above
http://i54.tinypic.com/2ememb9.jpg

A pair of figures from Qijia culture is very reminiscent of the figures on the round object from Ecuador, even the alike posture.
Chinese one
http://i52.tinypic.com/2cmww0y.jpg
Ecuadorian one
http://i52.tinypic.com/2lo0unp.jpg

Ancient alien connection and huge alien crafts visiting ancient China:

Olivia Dunham finally gets to meet William Bell in parallel universe, in the TV series Fringe.
http://i53.tinypic.com/14tafdh.jpg

A Jade bi is placed just outside Bell's office, an ancient Chinese ritual object for worship of the heaven, the round shape is a manifestation of the ancient belief of a "round" heaven, and the hole in the centre represents communication or connection with the heaven

A Chinese jade Bi, with depiction of three "immortals", exact date and origin is unknown, but the archaic style appears to be "Neolithic"
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ic9tsi.jpg

The Temple of Heaven in Beijing was built by the Ming dynasty in the early 15th century, just like the jade bi, those round platforms represent the Heaven, the main Hall in the centre was constructed to "honor heaven and worship god".
http://i54.tinypic.com/2z7lst3.jpg

The coiled body of the serpent/dragon is also the manifestation of this "round" heaven belief.
The C shaped dragon, the typical of Hongshan culture is accompanied by an “immortal”.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2prhj0n.jpg
Twin “half man and half serpent” figures from the “spring-autumn” period
http://i56.tinypic.com/313tbmx.jpg
Dragon from Lingjiatan culture
http://i54.tinypic.com/etscuc.jpg

Why ancient people envisioned something aeriform as the Heaven to be “round”? Few years ago, a Chinese author asked this question when he wrote a book titled "The Aliens are on the Moon". The book cited a petroglyph discovered on the rocks of Yin Mountains
http://i56.tinypic.com/10gjxo8.jpg

The scholars interpret the round object above the man as the sun, thus dubbed it “sun worship petroglyph”. But the author says ancient depictions of the sun usually have sun rays whereas the “sun” in the petroglyph from Yin Mountains is just a round object.
“Sun worship” from Chengbeixi culture
http://i54.tinypic.com/wpgzr.jpg

He says the petroglyph is a depiction of worship for Heaven instead of the sun. Ancient oracle bone inscription for heaven was written like “a man with an oversized head/a round object above man” or “horizontal stroke(s) above man”
http://i55.tinypic.com/wrn815.jpg

According to the author, horizontal stroke(s) represent land; the only land that’s above man and visibly round is the moon. According to him, this explanation would make sense to many ancient legends about a heaven which seem to have “physical attributes”.
Whether he is right or wrong, I stumbled upon certain ancient relics
http://i53.tinypic.com/9a39qu.jpg
The ancient pendant is carved to the shape of round, a clear sign of the “round” heaven belief, above the two “immortals” there is a round object, whatever the round object represents I too don’t think it represents the sun, if the “immortals” were interpreted as actual images of ancient visiting ETs rather than the works of imagination (which orthodox Chinese scholars say), then it’s possible the round object is the actual vessel or place where they came from. If combine Apollo 20 discovery and the hollow moon theory which indicate the moon is actually a giant extraterrestrial structure, then it indeed lend weights to the interpretation of the round object in this relic as the moon.

It’s pertinent to add that there are ancient Chinese legends speaking of “celestial rafts”, their size varies, the largest type were called “the boat hanging among the stars” or “the boat going to the moon”, the name seem to indicate they are spaceships bounded for the moon. Around 2300 BC, the huge ship would float around China every 12 years during the reign of Yao, the record say they always stop somewhere directly above waters, this attribute of it seem to suggest the Aliens have underwater facilities in both inland seas as well as oceans.

In his book "DEAD MEN'S SECRETS", author Jonathan Gray mentioned the following in chapter 27 under the title "To the moon and beyond? WERE WE ON THE MOON IN
2309 B.C.?"

“A story from this same period states that an enormous ship appeared on the sea at night with brilliant lights which were extinguished during the day. It could also sail to the moon and the stars, hence its name, ‘the ship hanging among the stars’ or ‘the boat to the moon’”

This piece of information is found in the Shi yi ji (record of gleanings). In the book, ‘the ship hanging among the stars’ is called gua xing cha (literally gua=hanging; xing=stars; cha=raft), ‘the boat to the moon’ is called guan yue cha (guan=to be linked together; yue=moon).

Here is the translation of the original passage:
“Thirty years after Yao became the sovereign, there was an enormous raft floating over the western sea, the raft has lights that shine at night which were extinguished during the day, people nearby saw the lights, waning and waxing, like stars and moon are appearing and disappearing, the raft would float routinely over the four seas, twelve years a cycle, cycle after cycle, the name for it is guan yue cha or gua xing cha, the feathered men live aboard it, the celestials gargle their nectar, the light of the sun and the moon becomes dim. There were no more recount of its appearance since the era of Yu and Xia dynasty, those who travel to the seas can still hear the incredible of it”

This is one of the surviving accounts of the mysterious “celestial rafts” mentioned in ancient Chinese texts. Such tales are often simply regarded as the works of imagination (novelist’s inventions) by orthodox scholars. However the author of Shi Yi Ji, Wang Jia (?-390AD) according to history records was a Taoist scholar who lived a secluded life on mountains, he is good at making prophetic remarks, because of such skill, he was sought after by various invading nomadic rulers and enjoyed fame among nobilities despite the fact he was forced to serve the ruling court after his previous refusals. Wang Jia was not a “novelist”; “short-novel” as orthodox scholars would call them doesn’t fit well with some tales found in the Shi Yi Ji, since things like the description of a Volcano and its eruption doesn’t seem to be the work of imagination at all. Granted, most of the tales and objects mentioned in the Shi Yi Ji seem strange indeed.

According to Shi Yi Ji, this ship appeared at the “Western sea”, the ancient name for Qinghai Lake in today’s Qinghai province, during the legendary ruler Yao’s reign, presumably around 2300 BC. The description “like stars and moon are appearing and disappearing” is both describing different effect of the lights as well as the size of the ship, which gives the observer the impression that there was a chunk of sky over the lake, thus the definition “enormous”. It seems such observation is made some distance away from the ship.

The wreck of that gigantic spaceship discovered by Apollo mission on the moon rather fits the profile of the enormous raft recorded in the Shi Yi Ji.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2v61s.gif

The term “four seas” in ancient texts may describe China itself or the boundaries of China as defined by certain waters to the four directions, therefore “Western sea” would be the westernmost definition of the “four seas”. This enormous ship would appear periodically around China, and according to the name given to it, it was a space ship bounded for the moon.

Then Shi Yi Ji goes on describing the scenes onboard, the ship is where winged celestials (feathered men) live who drink nectar instead of eating grains so they are immortal. Why would the “light of the sun and moon becomes dim”? Since the name suggesting it to be a spaceship, it’s easier to apprehend the fact the view of the sun and moon would be different from the view of them on the ground, this must have left impression for the observer whoever passed down this tale, that he must be a mortal whom for whatever reasons was allowed to board the ship for immortals.

Other records of “celestial raft” show there were some going on between man and ETs during other times.

Authored by a Western Jin dynasty writer and official Zhang Hua(232-300 AD) ,the "Bo wu zhi"(record of natural science) recount the story of the Xian Cha (celestial raft): "It is said, once upon a time the Milky Way and the sea were connected, in recent time there were people live at the seashore, every year in the August the floating raft would arrive and leave on time, there was a man with high aspiration, tall pavilions are set up on the raft, with abundant supplies, the man boarded the raft and left. For more than 10 days, stars, the moon, the sun passed by as he observed them, afterwards, the vastness made him indistinguishable of the nights and days. Another 10 days of travel, he suddenly arrived at a place where he saw many buildings which look like a city, from distance he saw weaving women in the palace, he saw a man with an Ox drinking at the waterside. Surprised, the Cowherd asked him "how did you get here?” he explained himself and asked the cowherd "what is this place?” the cowherd replied "return to visit Yan jun ping in the prefecture of Shu for answer", therefore he returned without landing. Thereafter a visit was paid to jun ping in the prefecture of Shu (today's Sichuan province of China), he told him that "there was a guest star violating the constellation Qianniu", and that's when the man paid the visit to the Milky Way"

The Song dynasty work "Tai ping guang ji"(Extensive Records of the Taiping Era) is a collection of things stretching a period from the Han dynasty(206 BC- 220 AD) to the Song dynasty(960-1279 AD), citing "Dong tian ji" it says "The Yan Zun(the same person as Yan jun ping in "Bo wu zhi") 'Xian Cha' was placed in the Linde palace of the Tang dynasty (618-907 AD), it is a metal object with the length of more than fifty chi (the measure of chi is different for different dynasties, it is 1chi=27.65cm during the Qin-Han period; 1chi=31.1cm during the Tang dynasty; 1chi=30.72cm during the Song dynasty, thus making the 'Xian Cha of Yan Zun' at least 15 meters long), its hard and it does not corrode. Li deyu (787-850 AD, Tang prime minister) cut thin branch of more than 1 chi, carved an image which often flies away and returns, it disappeared since the era of Guangming (reign of emperor Xizong of Tang dynasty), the raft then flew away as well."
Interestingly, like Wang Jia, Yan Jun Ping was also a Taoist scholar.

Maybe that’s why the female alien body recovered by Apollo mission resembles “Asiatic/Mongoloid”?
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ldahci.jpg

The Apollo 20 is still debated, but here is a twist to its validity

The official website of Chinese lunar exploration program (CLEP) recently (08/12/09) cited an article discussing the possibility of the secret mission conducted by America's Apollo 20 lunar mission, titled "Did the Apollo 20 find the wreckage of a gigantic spaceship on the Moon?"

http://210.82.31.82/index.asp?modeln...000&recno=1644

Cited images by the article,
http://i56.tinypic.com/29copd5.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/11wg2uc.jpg

It’s interesting that the Chinese government branch for lunar mission is actually interested in some conspiracy story.

What this demonstrates i believe is that the Chinese know that something "artificial" exist on the moon after their first lunar orbiter Chang'e 1 finished surveying the moon.

This is the only logical explanation for the puzzle why should a genuine government branch like the CLEP be bothered to have this "conspiracy crap" on their website at all?

But this is not the only interesting "anomalies" i notice from the Chinese.

Shortly after the 60th anniversary of the founding of PRC, the PLAAF celebrated its own 60th anniversary on 6th November during which the commander of the PLAAF Xu Qiliang made a speech to audiences including foreign military guests in which the following speech is particularly interesting to me

"The story of Chang'e is well-known to the Chinese, for hundreds of years the Chinese have celebrated the Moon Festival during which they wish for peace and prosperity. I think if Armstrong knew this story, he would possibly pay a visit to the Moon palace"

Maybe the general is just acting lunatic in assuming the possibility of the existence of such "moon palace" of which supposedly exists only in traditional myth. But how can a real astronaut visit some fictional "moon palace"?

As far as im concerned the CLEP is acting exactly the same when their website takes some "spaceship wreckage on the moon conspiracy crap" to the front page.

Unless, they do believe that something "artificial" can be found on the moon. And the "anomalies" only popped up after their Chang'e 1 orbiter completed its mission.

When history and legends collide

The ‘Records of the Grand Historian’ by famous Han dynasty historian Sima qian is regarded as the “authentic history”. He is regarded as the father of Chinese historiography because of this highly praised work.

However, certain records from this ‘authentic’ work would raise baffling questions. For instance, in “The annals of the Five Emperors”, the annal of emperor Zhuan Xu says “to the north he reached Youling; to the south he reached Jiaozhi; to the west he reached Liusha; to the east he reached Panmu”.

According to the footnotes, Youling is also called Youzhou which encompasses modern day Hebei and Liaoning provinces; Jiaozhi is also called Jiaozhou which encompasses modern day Guangdong and Guangxi provinces of China and parts of Vietnam, while Liusha is located in modern day Gansu province.

But something baffling surfaces when it comes to the location of Panmu. According to the footnote, “In the East Sea, there is a mountain called Dushuo, where a giant peach tree stretches for three thousand Li. ‘The gate of the spirits’ is located to the north-east where all sorts of spirits are gathered. Two deities, one named Shen shu, one named Yu lu, are sent by the Supreme Being to watch over the spirits, and punish the one who harms human”.

As a tradition, the Chinese would decorate each side of the front door with two door gods to ward off evil spirits. It is said they were once two generals (Qin shubao and Yuchi jingde) who served under emperor Taizong of Tang dynasty.

Qin shubao and Yuchi Jingde as ‘door gods’
http://i53.tinypic.com/zipumv.jpg

But before they were elevated to the rank of ‘gods’, their predecessors were called Shen shu and Yu lu, the two deities mentioned in Shiji (AKA “Records of the Grand Historian”). People would either carve the images of them with piece of peach wood or write their names on piece of peach wood, then they will place them on the front door in order to ward off evil spirits, this tradition dates back at least to the Qin-Han period.

Shen shu and Yu lu as ‘door gods’
http://i56.tinypic.com/sfgwmo.jpg

The tradition of decorating front doors with couplets (rhyming poems) during lunar New Year also derives from this belief. The practice was initially created by a poet (I think he’s from ‘five dynasties’ period) who thought “the door gods need something to be accompanied with”; the practice then was standardized under the reign of the first emperor of Ming dynasty.

So basically, Emperor Zhuan Xu went to a place that shouldn’t exist, but it was nonetheless recorded by the most praised history work. This is a perfect example of “when history collides with legend”, in which case raise baffling questions.
But it gets even more baffling after examining the source for which Sima qian was based on when he wrote “The annals of five Emperors”, such as “Wu di de” (The virtues of the five Emperors). It says not only Zhuan Xu traveled to those places; he traveled there by “riding a dragon”.

A memorial stone carving of Emperor Zhuan Xu in the city of Puyang, once the capital of Zhuan Xu
http://i56.tinypic.com/xfssc0.jpg

Obviously, to Confucian educated scholars, “supernatural” such as “dragons” simply doesn’t exist. So when Sima qian wrote “The annals of five Emperors”, the part involving “dragon” was removed which reflects the Confucian value of “disbelief” towards the “supernaturals”; which consist of “guai” (the strange); “Li” (force/power/ability); “Luan” (disorder); “Shen” (preternatural/magical;deity/spirit).

This is actually one of the “shortcomings” of the Shiji, because Sima qian removed many “supernatural” components of the “history” in which ancient cultural heroes with superhuman abilities were reduced to mere “outstanding leaders”. But orthodox scholars will treat such “records” as mere “legends” or at best “unreliable history” or “inventions by later generations”; which is actually another “shortcoming” of Sima qian.

The dilemma for Sima qian is, when he removed dragon from “The annal of Zhuan Xu”, it shows his share of disbelief towards the “supernatural” which is consistent with his contemporary scholars as well as with modern day mainstream scholars; but when he kept the part about Zhuan Xu’s trip to Panmu, as a responsible historian he can not replace Panmu with some other place since such behavior would violate his professional ethics; so even though he himself may not believe in the existence of such place as Panmu just as he may not believe in the existence of dragons, nevertheless he must report this detail because that’s what he inherited from his predecessors. And it's only "contradicting" because there are so much we don't understand about our distant past.

Before the orthodox scholars dismiss all this as “fuss”, let’s move on to another period of the history in the Shiji, so that orthodox scholars can not dismiss the record so easily, yet they can never explain it as well.
(to be continued)

hao

19th March 2011, 21:33

Also i'd like to share my personal "UFO experience" in China, because i believe these personal encounters are somewhat related to my "awakening".

It was 1988, I had my first and best ever UFO sighting when I visited Guangzhou.

It happened around 9 pm. I was enjoying the night view by the broad hotel windows when suddenly I noticed two small blinking lights appearing in the depth of distance. At first
I thought they were two small UFOs flying parallel to each other, I turned my head to call my mother and uncle to come quickly to see them, but only my uncle answered my odd claim. Then as I turned my head again to see them I realized the "two small UFOs" were actually a yellow and a red blinking lights coming from the edges of a much larger object. As it moved towards us we could see clearly that it was a silver disc shaped flying object. It was flying at pretty low altitude that we could even see a row of circular windows with red circumference and dark interior in the middle of the object. As it flew right over our hotel, we got a full view of it from under. The shape of its bottom only resembles that of a plate, and we were on the 5th floor of a 13 storey hotel, when it flew over we got the impression it was just about a hundred meters above (edited to correct original estimate), conventional aircrafts would be making a lot noises at such low altitude, but that was not the case for the craft we saw.

The second sighting was less "spectacular", nonetheless this time in my hometown Beijing. I saw a hat shaped glowing object flying across the sky. And that’s about it.

I don’t know for sure whether the following experiences can be counted as "UFO experience" or not but I am willing to share it anyway.

During my secondary school days I encountered series of "unexplainable" events. Here is what happened.
My mother was addicted to mahjong by then, so during that period of time I often sleep alone at home.

One summer night, I just woke up for no apparent reasons, no thirst, no bathroom, no noises, and I had no idea what time it was.
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When I opened my eyes I saw the yellow light coming through the window above my bedroom door. At the time I thought it must be my mom who just came home from playing mahjong, I was sleepy so I lowered my head on the pillow and quickly I fell asleep again.

At about 8 am in the morning I woke up to see my mother wasn’t home yet. I
thought "well, for some reason she must have come back last night then left again".
About an hour later she was home then I asked her "Mom, did you come back last night?"
To my astonishment she said she didn’t. Then I told her that "I saw the light in the hall was on last night, I thought it was you coming back home". Again she said no.

We feared that it could be a burglary so we immediately checked every window and doors, but only to find all of them are fine, no signs of intrusion whatsoever. Then my mother explained to me that it was the car lights coming through the bathroom window that illuminated the hall. At the time I thought she maybe right.

However as I closely observed the flashing car lights afterwards, they were nothing like what I saw. The car lights are short-lived and they aren’t bright enough.

As I was puzzled by the event, the exactly similar phenomena occurred several more times in the span of several months. Every time it’s the same scenario that I awoke for no specific reasons and only to discover the light in the hall of my home was on, and every time this happens my mother was away and only returns until the next morning.

As this phenomenon occurred more than once, later I began to realize that it’s actually not the light in the hall. Because the light in the hall had brown glass covering, normally I could see shadows and reflection on the ceiling, but when this "glowing light" appears I don’t see any shadows and reflections on the ceiling, in fact it’s much brighter than our light bulb, it gives the feeling that "the hall is full of glowing golden light ".

When I tried to get up and open the door to see what this glowing golden light is really about, I realized another weird thing was happening. Despite my strong will to get up I find my body not responding, I mean I couldn’t move, somehow only my head could raise a bit. I tried pretty hard to move my body but I felt I was somehow paralyzed. Then against my will I fell asleep shortly after seeing the light, only to wake up next morning. It made me wondering: "what the hell was going on?"

Another intriguing detail is after I realized that something was wrong about the light, I somehow suddenly remembered a dream I had just before the first encounter which I seem to have forgotten. In the dream I see an oval shaped object (like a standing egg) appears in the hall of my home, and a human shaped being comes out of it, I couldn’t see his appearance because he was glowing with golden light, the oval shaped object too is glowing bright golden light which looks rather like the color of the mysterious light I saw in reality.

To this day I’m still puzzled, I can’t find feasible explanations. I don’t know whether that weird dream had any connection to the weird experiences or not. I mean I had UFOs in my dreams before, but never a connection to real events, besides, the dream of seeing an oval shaped object and a man appearing in my home was actually just a thought that suddenly popped up in my mind, of which I have actually forgot and only remembered it after experiencing the real events..

But now I began to consider the possibility of alien abduction after I learned from watching UFO hunters that some abductees actually saw UFOs before the abduction, some cases recount that people could not move their bodies despite being conscious.
Maybe it’s just my mind went nuts for no reasons, or it could be alien encounter, I don’t know which one sounds more crazy.

hao

19th March 2011, 21:40

Some stuff i wrote elsewhere thats related to "ancient China-Alien connection" theme:

Now someone mentioned the physiology of "Mona Lisa" and hinted that because she resembles "Asian" therefore it must be some fake made by the Chinese, you know after all “the Chinese faked their first space walk...”

Have you ever considered the possibility of mankind's ancient connection to Aliens and the moon?

Well, it seems one guest of George Noory has, in his book "Dead Men's Secrets", author Jonathan Gray cited ancient sources and myths for considering the possibility of ancient moon travel, among which the Chinese are included on the list.

Chapter 27

To the moon and beyond-WERE WE ON THE MOON IN 2309 B.C.

Chinese historians in particular never tried to please their rulers at the expense of truth. Death was preferred to untruthful reports of history. As an example we have the fate of historians in the reign of Chi in 547 B.C. We should therefore take seriously the historical reports of China, even if they seem at first to he far-fetched.
There is a tendency in scientific circles nowadays to regard ancient documents and even mythology and folklore - as sources of history. Anthony Roberts expresses it this way: “Legends are like time-capsules that preserve their contents through ages of ignorance.”
...
CHINA, 3rd cent. B.C.
12 (W): Chuang Tzu, in a work entitled Travel to the Infinite, relates a trip he made into space to 32,500 miles from the earth.
...
YUNNAN PROVINCE, CHINA
17 (W): Engravings of cylindrical rocketlike machines, which are shown climbing skyward, were discovered on a pyramid which suddenly emerged from the floor of Lake Kun-Ming during an earthquake.
...
CHINA
19 (W): “Desolate, cold and glassy”: In the year 2309 B.c. the engineer of Emperor Yao decided to go to the moon. The “celestial bird” provided him with information on his trip. He explored space by “mounting the current of luminous air” (the exhaust of a fiery rocket?).
Hou Yih flew into space where “he did not perceive the rotary movement of the sun.”10 (This statement is of paramount importance in corroborating the story because it is only in space that man cannot see the sun rise or set.)
On the moon he saw the ‘frozenlooking horizon” and erected a building, “the Palace of Cold”.
His wife Chang Ngo likewise flew to the moon, which she found a “luminous sphere, shining like glass, of enormous size and very cold; the light of the moon has its birth in the sun,” she declared. (Chang Ngo’s moon exploration report was correct. Apollo II astronauts found the moon desolate with a glasslike soil—and parts of it even paved with pieces of glass. Most of the moon, at any given time, is in the throes of extreme cold. It plunges to minus 250 degrees Fahrenheit at midnight.)
...
CHINA
20 (W): A story from this same period states that an enormous ship appeared on the sea at night with brilliant lights which were extinguished during the day. It could also sail to the moon and the stars, hence its name, “a ship hanging among the stars” or “the boat to the moon”.
This giant ship which could travel in the sky or sail the seas was seen for 12 years.11
CHINA
21 (W): “The Shi Ching” book says that when the Emperor saw crime and vice rising in the world, “he commanded Chong and Li to cut off communication between the earth and the sky—and since then there has been no more going up or down.”12
Is this not a clear indication of the cessation of space travel in the past?

The story of Chang'e (AKA Chang Ngo from Jonathan's book) is very famous in China, no one knows exactly when was the story created, but her companion great Yi was a historical figure during the reign of Yao (edited to correct a mistake in the original post), around 2300 B.C.

An essential character for this whole idea of Chang'e stole the "elixir of immortality" and then flew to the Moon is Xi Wang Mu (or the Queen Mother of the West).

She supposedly interacted with several important and famous Chinese monarchs such as Yu the Great (founding king of Xia dynasty), King Mu of Western Zhou dynasty, Qin Shihuangdi, emperor Wu of Han dynasty etc. In the famous legend of King Mu's journey to the west, the king even had an affair with her at Kunlun mountain where she supposedly resides.

Though the Queen Mother of the West is usually associated with daoism and immortality, her profile nonetheless predates organized daoism, the oracle bone inscription of Shang dynasty (1500 B.C.) mentions a "west mother", along with a "east mother", but their exact origin is yet to be understood.

Since modern advance in medical knowledge has already extended our lifespan, and technology has already took mankind to the Moon, is there a possibility that "the Queen Mother of the West" was a real personage that actually comes from an advanced civilization which possess the means to have longer life and the means to reach the Moon long before Apollo? like “Legends are like time-capsules that preserve their contents through ages of ignorance.”

If indeed the Queen Mother of the West was an alien, then the legend that she had an affair with the Chinese king may indicate that she was possibly an "Asian" looking alien, or at least she didn't hold grudge against the Chinese...

But is it possible for aliens to appear as human, even "Asian" looking?

If you have ever watched the video "UFO paintings 200 years ago Japan"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP7GgDCJAcQ...

The alien who came by your typical UFOs was referred to as "the foreign woman" by the Japanese, and they were depicted as "Asian" looking beings. Perhaps the Japanese 200 years ago knew all the fuss about Apollo 20 and "Mona Lisa", so the painting of "Asian" looking aliens must be some fake just like the Chinese would simply because "Mona Lisa" is not your typical blond? Or rather, one could find in it some consistency with the legend of Xi Wang Mu?

But that consistency is found not only in the past, but it can also be found in the present, in the West even, which would bring us the famous case of Peter Khoury.
(For details, you can look for Coast to Coast AM’s interview with Australian UFO researcher Bill Chalker on youtube, titled “UFO cases in China & Australia”)

Apparently, there were two alien beings, one of them appears to be your “typical” blonde, and the other one was described as “Asian”-looking, not to mention the weird DNA result from the Blond hair, it belongs to Lahu, an ethnic Asian group.

Now we can still all agree that Apollo 20 was just a fake, but the remarks about the physiology is just unsound, I mean the Chinese fakers could have named her Chang’e instead of Mona Lisa, for it would fit your scenario better in every bits.

But here’s a thought, is it coincidental that the Kunlun Mountain where the Queen Mother of the West resides is in the Tibet region which some say an underground Alien base exists? Could the East Mother that the oracle inscription also spoke of actually come from “the Dragon’s Triangle”? After all America is only few hundred years old, one couldn’t ask the “ancient astronauts” to wait for that long when they supposedly showed up thousands of years ago, right? But guess what, Columbus is still largely credited with the discovery of America, that’s the real fake to the bones.

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An easy way to prove mysterious lights seen by people are UFOs rather than man-made is to look back into the past.

There are many accounts from ancient China recount mysterious lights flying across the sky, some at low altitude I may add, if that still leave a possible astronomical explanation, then what about this, accounts of mysterious lights emerging around waters even from the waters. What about a man who was carried away from one province to another in a matter of minutes by some mysterious light he encountered, missile testing in ancient China? I don’t think so.

But there is much more, It is recounted in "Shiyiji"(record of gleaning) by Eastern Jin author Wang jia(?-390 AD), that "there was a huge Cha floating over the western sea during the time of emperor Yao(2000+ BC)."
Cha literally means raft, works from different period in ancient China recount the existence of the mysterious Cha, which were often called "the celestial raft" or "the star raft".

The "western sea" in ancient book refers to Qinghai Lake in Western China, but there are just few herdsmen around this remote place even today, why this supposed space traveling vehicle would appear over there? If indeed there was a huge Cha which capable of flying to the moon and beyond appeared over Qinghai Lake, then its possible there was some Alien facility under the water.

The "shiyiji" recounts things like "the moon traveling Cha", "ships that can submerge into the bottom of oceans without wetting themselves", but until now these things have been attributed to the colorful imagination of ancient people. Even the author Wang jia himself was an interesting person, the record say he was an alchemist who were good at making prophetic remarks, because of this, against his will he was taken to the courts of the invading nomadic emperors who ruled northern China, despite Wang jia had always lived in seclusion on mountains with few hundred followers. He was later executed by one nomadic emperor because his prophetic remarks were not pleasing to his master’s ears, though he was proven right after his death. His work "Shiyiji" originally had 19 chapters but due to upheaval of wars, only 10 survived.

If the Guan yue cha (moon traveling raft) and the Lun bo zhou (spiral shell-like ships that can submerge into the bottom of the oceans, their owners were called "the immortals" by the Chinese) mentioned by Wang jia’s work "shiyiji" were indeed UFOs and USOs that we know today, then the window of possibilities opens much wider. And Wang jia probably was the leader of some UFO cult that we see in the X-files.

The interesting thing is the mysterious "queen mother of the west" who is often associated with the legend of immortality and moon traveling who supposedly resides at Kunlun Mountain, is also located in the remote western region of China, it makes me wonder whether there was some connection between the huge Cha over western sea during emperor Yao’s reign in 2000+ BC and the mysterious "queen mother of the west" who supposedly interacted with several Chinese monarchs throughout early history or not.
So I have reasons to believe there are Alien facilities exist somewhere in the remote region of western China due to ancient Chinese legends and records. Even we don’t have them its still probable that Aliens would appear near secret military zones monitoring activities this certainly happens to American, Russian, British military installations, why would the Chinese be spared in that regard? I mean there are many records of military’s encounters with UFOs over the years in China. And a report by China’s "mystery magazine" even say a landed UFO struck a PLA soldier with a beam of light, caused the young man to age rapidly, like it took more than 10 years of his life, and this happened more than 20 years ago. And this region is both ideal and known place for secret Chinese military developments, like the first A-bomb was tested in Xinjiang’s Lop Nor in 1964.

So chances are, it could be Aliens and it could be military, and this region is no stranger to UFO sightings, and for certain UFO sightings reported in Xinjiang even researchers from Chinese Academy of Science believe they were not astronomical or man-made but of possible ET origin.

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like the “helicopter” on temple of Abydos
http://i53.tinypic.com/538f0n.jpg

Now if you look at the “helicopter” designed by the “genius” Da vinci,
http://i52.tinypic.com/2mfennk.jpg

It’s obvious which one resembles more to the real thing of our world. But what is the probability of some ancient Egyptian person imagined something that is remarkably close to a modern helicopter in appearance, beating the “genius” along the way？I say next to impossible.

To me this is a tentative evidence of time travel, and it’s not just the “helicopter”, you also have two unidentified flying crafts alongside the “helicopter”. So does it mean the ancient Egyptian man who created those images which supposedly based purely on his imagination that can look both 20th century and 25th century? Or rather, it points to the possibility that someone from the 20-21st century went back in time to Ancient Egypt because they got the help from some advanced entities whose technological level belongs to the 25th century？

If you apply the same logic and examine the mysterious Cha mentioned in ancient Chinese books, here allow me to cite something I mentioned in another thread

Authored by a Western Jin dynasty writer and official Zhang Hua(232-300 AD) ,the "Bo wu zhi"(record of natural science) recount the story of the Xian Cha: "It is said, once upon a time the Milky Way and the sea were connected, in recent time there were people live at the seashore, every year in the August the floating raft would arrive and leave on time, there was a man with high aspirations, tall pavilions were set up on the raft, with abundant supplies, the man boarded the raft and left. For more than 10 days, stars, the moon, the sun passed by as he observed them, afterwards, the vastness made him indistinguishable of the nights and days. Another 10 days of travel, he suddenly arrived at a place where he saw many buildings which looks like a city, from distance he saw a weaving woman in the palace, he saw a man with an Ox drinking at the waterside. Surprised, the Cowherd asked him "how did you get here?", he explained himself and asked the Cowherd "what is this place?", replied "return to visit Yan jun ping in the prefecture of Shu for answer", therefore he returned without landing. Thereafter a visit was paid to jun ping in the prefecture of Shu(today's Sichuan province of China), he told him that "there was a guest star violating the constellation Qianniu". and that's when the man paid the visit to the Milky Way"

The Song dynasty work "Tai ping guang ji"(Extensive Records of the Taiping Era) is a collection of things stretching a period from the Han dynasty(206 BC- 220 AD) to the Song dynasty(960-1279 AD), citing "Dong tian ji" it says "The Yan Zun(the same person as Yan jun ping in "Bo wu zhi") 'Xian Cha' was placed in the Linde palace of the Tang dynasty(618-907 AD),it is a metal object with the length of more than fifty chi(the measure of chi is different for different dynasties, it is 1chi=27.65cm during the Qin-Han period; 1chi=31.1cm during the Tang dynasty; 1chi=30.72cm during the Song dynasty, thus making the 'Xian Cha of Yan Zun' at least 15 meters long), its hard and it does not corrode. Li deyu(787-850 AD, Tang prime minister) cut thin branch of more than 1chi, carved an image which often flies away and returns, it disappeared since the era of Guangming(reign of emperor Xizong of Tang dynasty), the Cha(raft,ship) then flew away as well."

The Tang dynasty poet Li shi wrote in his poem "one should ask if one ever gets the chance to meet jun ping, when will the Xian Cha be returning after its departure?"

The "Shiyiji"(Records of Gleaning) by Eastern Jin author Wang jia (?-390 AD), says during the time of Emperor Yao "there was a huge Cha floating over the western sea."

So “the celestial raft” can fly and it’s made of metal? You think some 3rd century or 10th century AD Chinese writer would choose metal instead of wood or other light materials which would have been more practical and applicable as the candidate in their “imaginative” works that “reflects their desire of flight”, and those imaginative transportations echoes so much like the typical UFOs and USOs that we know today? But wait a second, they weren’t novelists, they were simply collecting knowledge from the past, that’s why it’s called “record”, and yes the Chinese by 10th century can differentiate between a novel and a record, because by then we had them in two separate categories already.

So the metal Cha was placed in the Tang dynasty palace, and it’s prime minister “carved an image which often flies away and returns”? What this piece of information hint us I believe is that some individuals in ancient China not only knew about the Alien crafts, there may even be contacts between the ancient men and the owner of these crafts (reminds us of the story of Yan Zun, AKA Yan jun ping and his knowledge of the “celestial raft”), else how was it possible for a 8-9th century Tang Chinese to create something that could fly away and returns?

To me the mystery of Abydos “helicopter” from ancient Egypt echoes the mystery of “celestial rafts” from ancient China.

But as it is preposterous to suggest time travel and humans working with Aliens since early times, it’s evenly preposterous not to think of the possible meanings that this probability would have on human civilization as we know it.

On the matter of Abydos “helicopter”, I just want to add that as I believe it may indicate time travel by present technology, I have always felt interesting about this, that be it the mysterious light ball around crop circles in Britain, or cattle mutilations in America, you have the military involved, and most often it takes the form of helicopters, and here you have a correlation to the Adydos theme. Whatever the truth might be, it’s being concealed to the public. Oh, which is exactly the theme of Stargate SG-1, protocols you know. Interesting the fictional journey starts with Abydos and is also heavily involved with the military. You know, they could be telling us the truth after all, and before our very eyes, sort of. And I believe there is no such thing as coincidences, like coincidence that the ancient Egyptian imagined the “helicopter”, or the ancient Chinese imagined “the celestial raft”, there is always an interrelationship in such coincidences.

hao

20th March 2011, 06:40

To be realistic I think you didn't realize how deep your life has been control by the goverment, too naive to think that ORDINARY CHINES has this ability to run a disclosure campaign in China. Look beyond the sea they have Alex jones, David Icke, Steve greer, Richard hogland................ and all kinds of alternative media fighting this War, what about China? Can you show me something you consider as None goverment movement ?!

OF COURSE I know the CONTROL by the government.I think expecting China to have someone lecturing reptilians shadow Government is naive.

By "reptilian shadow government", do you mean those "negative spirit" covertly running the so called "free nations", or do you mean the "Draco/reptilian" the Chinese dragon represents? or both ?

please referring to the following in the "Chinese briefcases" thread

On the other end we have China who are direct descendents from the Draco and have a specific bezerk gene sequence in them to help them survive the terraforming. China is the protector and propagator of this organism and have given a blueprint of events(briefcases on October 13th 2010) of how they want to establish their future global empire. This organism isn't anything like we've seen before, it can interact with all matter, dead or living, around it. We also have the Aannanuki arriving, we expect between now and before 2016. The Draco are not the same as the Annanuki(Illuminati Saturn setup), they are in fact the "master/pindar" reptilians while the Annanuki are the "warrior" reptilians. So its not the Rockefellers or Rothschild's that are behind the real running of the illuminati, It was and always has been lead by the Chinese Pindar. The Rockefellers & Rothschild are part of the Ananuki Illuminati and the other 11 bloodlines but they not the Pindar/master Illuminati.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1219578/pg25

hao

20th March 2011, 10:09

Nexus magazine is 'highly regarded' in the alternative field, so what its editor has to say carry certain weight. Not to mention GLP is a "major UFO" forum.

Quote from a forumer

nexus magazine is highly regarded in the field of unexplained/paranormal phenomena and the op has his magazine's reputation to protect so when he makes a statement like this it has my attention.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1219578/pg2

And Nexus editor certainly believes the information he received is genuine

I am not making this up. I believe it to be true.
If this information upsets or offends you in anyway, I am happy to delete your posts and let you go elsewhere.

So what this "Chinese briefcases" thread concluded regarding 'China-Alien connection' as Nexus editor summarized

I tend to lean towards the idea that China DOES have expansionist plans, that it does have a new technological edge, and that it does have a 'new' relationship with alien visitors. I do NOT feel that China is positioning itself to become some sort of savior of mankind.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1219578/pg28

Coincidentally, Kerry Cassidy reached similar conclusion

Another interesting bit of information from another source tells me that the newest arrivals from 'outer space' are working with the Chinese. And that China is, as a result, building up their war machine at an unprecedented rate. The 'new guys' on the block are not friendly to the rest of us. And they are supplying China with the means to even the playing field. So much for the 'China is our savior' PR campaign that has had some success among the 'alternative community'.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

Kerry Cassidy not only received similar information to Nexus editor, that the aliens working with China are "new guys", that they are "not friendly to the rest of humanity", that they are helping the Chinese in a way that threatens the world, but she also explicitly expressed her discontent about this 'China-alien connection' being portrayed as "positive" among the 'alternative community'.

Unlike those two 'big names' in the 'alternative community', Benjamin Fulford and David Wilcock have very different approach in regard to China's role. With Ben says "China should get the Nobel Peace Prize", while DW's "China's October surprise" pretty much put the Chinese on a positive light.

It seems obvious the 'alternative community' is divided on this issue.

Before i share my research on ancient China-alien connection, origin of dragon, the cultural connection between China and the Americas etc, I just want to quote a third person's opinion about Kerry Cassidy

I read from Bill’s blog that Kerry purposefully deleted the Anglo-saxon video from project camelot (twice) because it portrays a racially sensitive issue.

Not only that, this document highlights the racial hatred and to what extent of the white man is capable of doing to the Asian populace.

Kerry cassidy, either infiltrated or by her own discrimination will have none of this because she is of anglo-saxon heritage.

The proof of her personal agendas are amply evident in her videos. For example, you will find in several of her publications that she questions whether China/the Chinese will do this or that, as if she finds the Chinese population a threat to her and her heritage.

In light of all this, I personally view the Camelot split to be the best thing to happen to Bill.

Bill can now work with the greatest integrity and he doesn’t need Kerry to stand in the way of truth.
http://stevebeckow.com/2010/04/kerry-cassidy-and-bill-ryan-split/

Without analyze further, let's say it's obvious there is a disinformation campaign going on in regard to 'China-Alien connection'.

But, for those who portray the Chinese and their Alien allies as 'negative', they don't have a clue about ancient China-Alien connection when they call those aliens "new guys", they don't know the ancient "gods" in China are essentially the same group of "ETs" that influenced both ancient China and Americas, they have no clue to the origin of Chinese dragon when they link the Chinese dragon to "Draco/reptilian". And it’s even more 'interesting' when the "Chinese briefcases" thread reached a conclusion that the illuminati reptilians are really but a servant to the Chinese 'pindar/master' reptilians.

For all the centuries of Western effort and tradition to demonize the dragon, and to have systematically destroyed the Mayan and Incan cultures which are essentially 'serpent cultures', and the catholic church's support of the Nazi, their expedition to Tibet, the dropa stones,Dalai Lama's "greater Tibet", Harrer's "Seven years in Tibet" and the subsequent "Free Tibet" hype, and their "Anglo-Saxon mission" or "the new dawn", now suddenly the Chinese, the very people the "Anglo-Saxon mission" wants to eliminate is 'revealed' as the same 'manipulative reptilians' with the illuminati who have that plan to kill off the Chinese who supposedly have the "berzerk gene".

Not only that, according to the "Chinese briefcases" thread, with the help of their alien relatives, the Chinese want to eradicate everyone else on earth. The plot is completely contrary to the plot of "anglo-Saxon mission". Just like Nexus editor and Kerry Cassidy's attitude towards "China-alien connection" is completely contrary to Benjamin and David Wilcock.

cayman

20th March 2011, 11:19

Hi Cayman, have just seen this thread, very interesting! What is the current status of the 2012 article?
In terms of material, John Major Jenkins is good. He looks at it from an "awakening" not an earth changes perspective.
While the following site is sceptical, it is good because it explains quite a lot of the existing theories http://www.2012hoax.org/

In terms of the article on 2012, here is my suggestion. Rather than saying, 2012 is this or is that, you can look at it as a cultural analysis of what is going on in esp the West. As in, many people now are interested in 2012. But what is all the fuss about? Here are the theories and here is what people are saying.

In that way you can present all of the information relating to 2012 in a neutral way. How does that sound?

thank you,Cognitive Dissident, your post is very helpful. I checked the http://www.2012hoax.org/ , I like the its idea concern 2012, really objective and helpful.
Been out for somedays. Busy with the article story stuff. since the Japanese incident happened, efforts had to be made as soon as possible, till today, first edition of the cover story have been created. Tomorrow, editors will discuss all of the articles, I hope all of them get pass. we focus on the relationship between nature and human, modern society paradigm, nature disaster I.E. Japanese earthquake---is a chance to review our(human) position in this world----and lead to awakening discussion.

when they reach the final edition, ETA: 1 week

hao

20th March 2011, 23:19

Origin of dragons, the archaeological perspective

This is the character for dragon from the Shang dynasty oracle bone inscription.
http://i55.tinypic.com/2drtgf9.jpg
Jade dragons, Shang dynasty
http://i51.tinypic.com/r6wos6.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/xkrnsy.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/20h0w3p.jpg

The origin of Chinese dragon is still debated among Chinese scholars; however the archaeological evidences demonstrate clearly dragons from the Shang period (ancestral to future dragons) were influenced by Neolithic Hongshan culture. (4700-2900 BC)

The “C-shaped dragons” and the “Pig dragons” are typical of Hongshan culture

C-shaped dragon
http://i51.tinypic.com/1fdclw.jpg

A “pig dragon”
http://i52.tinypic.com/2w21r3r.jpg

It’s dubbed “pig dragon” for a reason, the “dragon’s head” resemble that of a pig, even earlier archaeological evidences demonstrate more of this pig connection

Zhao bao gou culture (5400-4500 BC) and Xing long wa culture (6200-5400 BC) are regarded as predecessors of Hongshan culture.

Decorative patterns on Zhao bao gou potteries, dragons are depicted as having serpent body and the head of wild boar (evidenced by the tusks).
http://i53.tinypic.com/t7hmkj.jpg

This S-shaped dragon is from Xing long wa culture, the body is made from stones and pottery pieces, while the head is the skull of a wild boar
http://i56.tinypic.com/2j5b9na.jpg

A jade “pig dragon”, Xing long wa culture
http://i51.tinypic.com/2hg8cx1.jpg

Pigs were very important to ancient households, as matter of fact, the Chinese character for “home” is written as “a pig under the roof”.

However, since the earliest “pig dragon” was already a composite creature, the question then is why serpent is important to ancient people?

So next time someone says Chinese dragon is a symbol of Draco/reptilian, that someone better add that it's actually a "reptilian hybrid with mammalian genes".

How this western demonization of Chinese dragon circulate around the so called 'alternative field' without even some basic understanding of the archaeological as well as cultural background of dragon/serpent to ancient cultures is amazing.

Better go back to the Catholic Church and scream "its symbol of Satan", like what the Spanish Catholics screamed about the Mayan culture, another serpent culture that’s culturally connected to ancient Chinese serpent cultures.

The great pyramid is a great monument of knowledge, the stone sarcophagus without lid is to teach mankind that material and physical world is not the eternal destination that we seek, so the Hopi says when 'the great spirit' returns, not all would live forever after the "purification day", the same instruction is found in the internal layout of the Great pyramid, only those who reaches 'the king's chamber' will ascend.

The serpent is a vehicle that carries the soul to the heaven, as it is so in ancient Egypt, the soul is carried toward heaven by the "serpent boat"
http://postimage.org/image/12o9gq4jo/

It is so in ancient China, this Han dynasty painting on silk illustrates a scene in which the soul of the deceased is being carried toward heaven by twin dragons, and the great creator goddess Nuwa who is part human and part serpent awaits her arrival.
http://postimage.org/image/12v3vsu4k/
http://postimage.org/image/12vh43m2s/

Graham Hancock tells his ayahuasca vision, like others who tried the Amazon brew, they will encounter the "great ayahuasca spirit" which always take the form of a goddess, a goddess who is always associated with serpents and indeed she herself is a half serpent being.

The great ayahuasca spirit inspired Hancock to write his first fiction work "Entangled", a young woman discovers that the dark force has infiltrated human world ever since the day of the Neanderthals, her modern counterpart character, another young woman realizes the same in the 21st century california, USA, that not only this dark force exists, it wants to achieve something insidious forever in the 21st century, great battle will occur between the forces of 'good' and 'evil', but its up to mankind to make themselves their Salvation.

Cleopatra was not the seductively beautiful woman the stories depict(or demonize) her as, her charm comes from the knowledge that she inherited from ancient Egypt, but the conquest by the Roman empire relocated that knowledge to the Vatican, the knowledge is kept away from humanity.

Does one not see the significance of serpents in ancient cultures like Egyptian, Chinese, Incan and Mayan? Does one not realize there are pyramids not only in Egypt and Mexico, but greater and still functioning pyramids in Peru and China?

Does one not understand why Graham Hancock says "Christianity lost its way when Romans took over of it"? Does one not see why the Catholic Church screamed "Satan" when they encountered the Mayans, and like wisely, the demonization of 'the Chinese dragon'(and China)?

Does one still buy into the notion that the Chinese dragon is a proof of the existence of 'Chinese reptilian master' who is the real controller of the much hated illuminati reptilians?

Keep confining oneself to the embrace of darkness, and keep one's grudge towards the Chinese like Kerry Cassidy does, and one will never see the truth of light.

Kerry Cassidy was approached (infiltrated) by an Australian illuminati agent, perhaps not coincidentally; Nexus magazine editor is also based in Australia.

There is disinformation campaign, not only against China, but against the Aliens who are working with China, which are essentially the same group of 'ETs' who influenced both ancient cultures of China and Americas, and dragon/serpent are associated with them.

Why the illuminati want to stage a false flag alien attack? Why the "Anglo-Saxon mission" is ultimately directed at China?

Why "The Event" has the plot in which the human-looking aliens are trying to colonize the world, why the aliens perform 'oriental-style' ceremony, and the cushions are yellow and red (the colors of PRC national flag, but also traditionally the two colors of the Chinese)?
http://i51.tinypic.com/n48fv8.jpg
Why their star gate is located in Tibet? (Why the Nazi are involved, and harrer, a Nazi's work became the 'foundation' for the "Free Tibet" hype)
http://postimage.org/image/1oe5e9ryc/
http://postimage.org/image/1og7tge6c/
why the 'E' is spinned/reversed
http://postimage.org/image/2f1egfvtw/

Why the dropa stones are shaped just like the Jade bi object which represent the Heaven in ancient China, why legend says the Jade bi was given to Yao as a gift by Xi Wang Mu, why its during the reign of Yao, the enormous celestial raft appeared in the province of Qinghai where Xi Wang Mu resides, why Chang'e has to visit Xi Wang Mu before she was able to 'fly' to the moon, why Xi Wang Mu is very important figure in Daoism, what Daoism teaches us, why Daoism is linked back to Hongshan culture, a culture where the Chinese dragon as well as the 'feathered men' (who serves Xi Wang Mu in legends and who live onboard the 'enormous raft' which is bounded for the moon) originated.

Why the informer in the "Chinese briefcases" thread 'revealed' that a warning from 'parallel universe' ask this world to get rid of the Moon and the beings on it, which is rather consistent with what David icke 'reveals' about the 'reptilian agenda', why his tone towards China is like that of Kerry Cassidy.

Go connecting the dots, go reconnect with the past, reconnect with the heaven, and one will see what i see. One will understand why the great ayahuasca spirit wants '"Entangled" to have a 21st century character set in california. USA.

Realize, awake, heed the warning from the great creator goddess Nuwa(known as great ayahuasca spirit in the Amazons) before lives are lost and catastrophe strike.

The ultimate truth is there is no one, not even the 'good' or 'evil' spirits can alter the way of the Dao, there is always balance, always Yin and Yang, no matter how the opposite despises/battle each other, they are but all integral part of the great Dao.

Be on the light side as one will, as there will be those who will be on the dark side as one will. There is always the balance. And its only getting to this "tipping point" that we see so called "awakening", as it is already foretold in the Dao and by the Great master Laozi, is because when one force of the Dao reaches its zenith is when the opposite force will begin to emerge, but the opposite is also truth.

Realize the deep meaning within the design of the great Dao, perhaps one will find a new pass which is different to the current one.

The one think the "spirits/alien/ET" who lectured the ancient Chinese about this ultimate truth of the great Dao is actually "reptilian" working with the illuminati, or the same as them, is but further away from the truth.

str8thinker

20th March 2011, 23:50

That is a brilliant post on the true origins of serpents in your mythology.

hao

21st March 2011, 04:58

Kerry Cassidy does not understand the Chinese, she holds certain grudge against the Chinese because there is a fear of China inside her.

Try to understand why Fidel Castro commented that the "Free Tibet" hype in the West during 2008 Olympic relays was really a manifestation of the "yellow peril" mentality, why Jean luc Melenchon said Paris was filled with atomosphere of racism, try to understand why China has not been included in the international space station

While encouraged that official discussions
have now been sanctioned, she told a Houston
reporter recently that deeper cooperation had
its opponents. “There are still a very large
group of individuals who are very anti-China,”
she told the Houston Chronicle. “They are in the
bureaucracies, the State Department, the
Congress,” she said.18
This injudicious wording, bordering on
accusations of knee-jerk racism or ideological
fanaticism
http://www.jamesoberg.com/policyoutlook2006.pdf

It's not surprising that Westerners have been 'conditioned' by the western MSM as well as their education system for many years, shes only a 'victim' of that conditioning, but to allow the dark force to exert that influence on oneself is precisely why there is Yin in Yang yet Yang in Yin.

She will never understand why there is "the ugly Neanderthal" in "Entangled", or why the great "Sun god" at Tiwanaku cries. Not until she can balance herself out.

As the Chinese saying goes "the bitter taste the medicine, the better it is for you", and it applies to everyone.

And its not surprising this "dark force" has chosen the "west" as its host, even into the next eon. See matters through the skin, or see matters through the skin.

Do not let the great "Sun god" at Tiwanaku cry any longer.

hao

21st March 2011, 05:38

Graham Hancock met with the "great ayahuasca spirit" after taking the Amazon brew, he was shown visions which reconnect past with the present.

Towards the end of last year, after i reached the conclusion that not only there were a same group of "ETs" influencing ancient China and Americas, that Pyramids exist not only in Egypt and Mexico, but there are functioning pyramids in Peru and China, the four ancient cultures were somehow connected, I had two dreams which i believe like Graham Hancock's ayahuasca experience, is reconnecting past with the present.

In the first dream, i went to Egypt to see the pyramid, but instead of going inside it, we (there were other people) went to a deep underground tunnel underneath the pyramid, then after climbing a big upward slope, we arrived at the "exhibition room".

Two days later, i had the second dream in which i went to 'Mexico'(even though there is no landmark to indicate its Mexico), i see large chunk of it became ocean, the American military and its allies are busy occupying/constructing the land, i tried to sabotage their operation but was discovered by them, then a blue energy door opened for me to go through.

I believe they weren’t simply random dreams, not only because i have never visited Mexico or Egypt, or see a pyramid in my dreams before, but also something "interesting" happened in my home during that period of time.

Just few days after i had the dreams, that night my mother was just trying to sleep in her bedroom, then she heard a gentle voice of mine calling her "mother, mother, mother, mother", despite i was actually in the other room browsing internet, i didn't call her and i didn't hear it (if there was any noise in her bedroom i can hear it in my bedroom). She called me (with a clearly changed tone) to her bedside and told me what just happened, i asked her whether she was dreaming or there were any unusual signs like wind or drop of temperature, but she declined them all, then i asked her whether she felt there was some kind of force or energy, she replied "you might say that".

This incident convinced her about what i was trying to enlighten her on the importance of the "ayahuasca experience" which she was rejecting my plan to go to South America.

I understand California was once part of Mexico, i wonder whether there is some connection between the vision Hancock got from the "great ayahuasca spirit" and my dreams, both of them are about reconnecting past with the present/future, and both of them have something to do with 'Mexico'.

Chinese scholars failed to understand the ancient societies, so they will never understand why the serpent is important to the ancient people, why the great creator goddess Nuwa is a half man and half serpent being.

Graham Hancock said that in the Gnostic version of the story of "Adam and Eve", the serpent is actually the holder of knowledge and the knowledge to eternal life. Not coincidentally, in Chinese legends, mortal can become immortal, not coincidentally the Hopi say man can 'live forever'.

But they have to do 'self-cultivation' first.

hao

22nd March 2011, 00:02

Dreams are a way of communication between "the heaven" and man.

Last week, my mother encountered in her dream, a glowing saucer approached the house she was in then it flew away, it was the first time ever she experienced "UFO" in dreams.

Just last night, i had for the first time in my dreams, encountered a reptilian being who was peeking at our backdoor and who was trying to harm my family members.

I wanted to share my research on the origin of dragons; i was going to show the relation between dragons and celestial realm, and the relation between Chinese serpent and the American ones.

But, because of last night's dream i have to reevaluate whether my effort here is worth it, since i have already received two similar messages from "the heaven" to put my priority on saving the two souls i cherish most.

The relics i was about to show, not only they can demonstrate the undeniable connection between ancient Chinese cultures and that of the Americas, but certain relics i believe are actually portrait of the ancient "aliens" who influenced both cultures across the pacific ocean, and i believe these are the same group of "gods/aliens" who are working with China now. They are the same group of aliens who the illuminati are demonizing via TVs/movies and via the so called 'alternative field'. (Precisely the reason why the western academia has made "China discovered America" a "taboo")

I believe i have said enough. To explore further into the "origin of the serpents" is not necessary. My advice would be keeping oneself balanced because clearly one is not, or be succumbed into the subtle influence of the "negative spirits". A bible is a good book, but there are plenty of other good books around, treat "Kerry&Bill" as a good book. But clearly 'Charles' was able to "infiltrate" Bill, so was the illuminati agent who "infiltrated" Kerry Cassidy. Look up to the great design of the Dao, ask why there is Yin in Yang and Yang in Yin.

hao

22nd March 2011, 08:23

“Ghostly pressure” is the Chinese way of describing a phenomenon in which people experience an uneasy pressure against the body when asleep, like something or someone was pressing you, thus the spooky reference “ghost”. The “scientific” explanation is that this is due to mental stress or physical tiredness.

Many people have this experience, me included. I remember I encountered series of strange “ghostly pressure” during my 1+ year stay at an apartment many years ago. The “spooky” thing about the experience there is every time my body was pressed against by an invisible force I was actually not asleep, my eyes were open because I could see everything in my bedroom the moonlight and other source of night lights would allow me to see, I could even see the scenes just outside my window since I leave the curtain open. I tried to call my mother but I couldn’t make a sound, I tried to reach the reading lamp just by the bedside but I couldn’t raise my arm, it seemed the “pressure” is preventing me from doing things. Was it due to some kind of mental stress or physical tiredness? Or was there really a ghost in the apartment harassing me? I would wonder.

I have had similar experiences in my current dwelling as well. However I began to re-think about the possible cause for this phenomenon after this particular “ghostly pressure” experience because something different happened that time. I was again seeing everything in the room when I was pressed against, but this time I was able to fight off the force with my will, however the very moment the force is gone I felt my eyelids opened and I was “again” seeing the same room “Wait a second, weren’t my eyes open just a second ago when the “ghostly pressure” was still on me?” I asked myself. Suddenly I realized my eyes were actually closed every time I experience the “ghostly pressure” but somehow I was able to see the surrounding scenes, but not with my physical eyes.

So an alternative explanation for the so called “ghostly pressure” phenomenon now I have based on my personal experiences is it could be my soul or consciousness “leaving” my physical body, it can actually see, the uneasy feeling that there was some “pressure” on the body may well be the “Side effect” of such process. Once the alternative is developed, it directly challenges the “scientific” explanation, like why even though I may be mentally stressed or physically tired but I have never had the “ghostly pressure” during daytime sleep? The phenomenon always happens during the night. Why I was able to see things without open my eyes?

Intriguingly, a Chinese author wrote a book titled “The aliens are on the Moon”, he thinks the ancient Chinese belief that the heaven is “round” was inspired by ancient aliens, that the “round heaven” is actually the moon which is a gigantic extraterrestrial structure, and one of its “functions” according to the author is where the soul travels to.
(A 14th century Chinese official astronomical record also recorded that “(on a particular night) the moon suddenly moved away from its position for a while then moved back to its original position”, this further supports the notion that the moon is not simply a natural formation.

This explanation of the Moon from the Chinese author is completely contrary to the "Chinese briefcases" thread in which the moon and the beings on it are actually 'obstacle' to human potentials, like wisely, David Icke's version of 'reptilian agenda' also renders the moon as something 'negative', in which it is actually the 'reptilian fortress' from where they control mankind.

I remember once watching a youtube video in which a man claims himself to be a former Canadian intelligence staff said that he believe America is preparing a war against the Aliens on the moon. Interestingly, George.W.bush vowed America's return to the moon but was declined by the new Obama administration.

If the moon is indeed where the soul travels to, so if it is destroyed or occupied by the negative force, then mankind maybe 'trapped' forever. Interestingly, in the TV series V, the reptilians are trying to find a way to control/destroy the human soul.

The 'Chinese briefcases' thread says the Chinese are 'direct descendant of reptilian aliens' who are working with their alien 'relatives' in an effort to wipe all people out except the Chinese who have the 'berzerk gene' protecting them. This, as pointed out by David Wilcock in his "China's October Surprise", is a disinformation against China and its alien allies. This plot in the 'Chinese briefcases' thread is nothing but a blatant demonization and racism. Perhaps not surprisingly, Kerry Cassidy also received similar information (of which she's fully content with) which says the aliens working with China are 'new guys' and 'they are not friendly to the rest of humanity'.

These 'new guys' Kerry Cassidy is demonizing are the same 'aliens' who influenced both ancient Chinese and American cultures, and they are associated with serpents as well as with the moon.

Have look at 'The Event'
http://postimage.org/image/2f1egfvtw/

The word 'lie' is highlighted from the word 'believe', and its connected with the letter 'V', thus, it ends up 'V lie', WE LIE.

What a ritualistic and twisted way to tell the truth.

hao

23rd March 2011, 00:38

http://postimage.org/image/1vrrsxksk/

As one can see the comparison, the left one is a hat wore by Daoist monks, the right one is the headgear wore by its ancient counterpart from Hongshan culture. The hollow design of the Daoist hat is to remind man of the process of reincarnation (with some interpret the hollow design represents a woman's part which gives birth to a new life), clearly the process of 'reincarnation' was already known to the ancient men from Hongshan culture.

But before one is reincarnated into another physical personage, one has to be 'trialed' by the 'Heaven'. The Chinese refer the top of human head/cranium as 'Tian Ling Gai', 'Tian' literally means 'Heaven'; 'Ling' means 'spirit'/'soul'; and 'Gai' means 'lid'/'cover'. The reincarnation process involves both the soul of a person and the 'Heaven'.

Have a look at this ancient relic from Sanxingdui culture
http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/features/sanxinggui-mask.jpg

Graham Hancock also noticed certain similarities between the Chinese bronze masks and that of the Chac mask from Mayan culture
http://www.grahamhancock.com/features/strangers-p4.htm

Mayan Chac mask
http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/features/chichen-itza.jpg

any Chinese fellow out there know why the Sanxingdui mask got such a weird 'nose'?

Airwooz

23rd March 2011, 00:56

oh yeah, this is how chinese gets their Nobel Peace Prize haha

wake up ~people

http://gb.cri.cn/8606/2006/04/03/303@975906.htm

hao

23rd March 2011, 01:09

oh yeah, this is how chinese gets their Nobel Peace Prize haha

wake up ~people

http://gb.cri.cn/8606/2006/04/03/303@975906.htm

very 'enlightening', except you seem to forget this statement of yours
this is how chinese gets their Nobel Peace Prize is referring to what Benjamin Fulford says about current Chinese government in which he was making a comparison to Mr LiuXiaobo's receiving of the Prize, which happened last year, i.e. 2010.

here let me help with the logic there

The Nobel Peace prize should have gone to the Government of China and not a lone Chinese dissident.
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2010/10/the-nobel-peace-prize-should-have-gone-to-the-chinese-government.html

Now from which part in your link (and i have already known this 'old news' and i read Chinese) it says it happened in 2010? or it was committed by the Chinese government?

hao

23rd March 2011, 03:17

http://gb.cri.cn/mmsource/images/2006/03/30/nu20060330013.jpg

As one can see, the cranium of the skulls are gone, this phenomenon tells something about the motive behind this criminal activity. As mentioned in the link you provided, one of the assumption is it maybe linked to the 'Tibetan' practice of using human skulls as material for handicrafts.
http://www.storychina.cn/UploadFile/2006417115324340.jpg

Here is a news article for you, the news is dated to 2006
http://www.storychina.cn/main2.asp?id=118&tablename=sitesearch

According to the Gansu police bureau, a man surnamed Qiao from Qinghai province was behind the 'mystery' of 121 skulls discovered in Gansu province, he and his gangs had been excavating unclaimed tombs in order to loot human skulls, the skulls were sold to a man surnamed Liang from the same county, Liang then cut the cranium off with saw and he sells them to a man surnamed Liu from Gansu province who made those craniums into handicrafts for making profits. The remains of the skulls were dumped by Liang at the place where the 121 skulls were discovered in Gansu province.

Thus, how a dreadful criminal activity was turned into fear mongering of China, that's how balance is destroyed so that Sulpa would triumph in the 21st century. Has the internet became humanity's salvation or its doom? The great design of the Dao is fair to both of its ingredients. Only Sulpa seeks to change that, forever.

The greed drives the criminal, the ignorance drives the fear monger. That's how the subtle influence of the "negative spirits" exerts itself. I've already woke up to that.

Cognitive Dissident

24th March 2011, 14:43

Thanks Cayman. I have been over to the 2012hoax website. You can ask them questions on the forum and they will answer! They are clever but VERY sceptical and rational minded. Interesting if you want to think about things from a very 3D materialist paradigm.

I am still struggling to find a really strong 2012 explanation. I know that there is an alignment with the Dark Rift on 21 December 2012, but that has been true from 1998 onwards. So 2012 is no more special than 1998 onwards (which are pretty special years taken as a whole!).

I have found plenty of evidence for - for example - UFOs and reincarnation, but 2012, only a strong sense that something big is going on. What that is, I don't know, and I can't prove anything.

yuhui

30th May 2012, 15:08

yuhui

30th May 2012, 15:18

Airwooz

31st May 2012, 05:30

I just read the news in your link and have a questions: How is that at the very beginning, people could not tell the difference from monkey's skull and human's?

There are serious mis-information that were made intentionally by people who knew the story I think. And the whole thing just closed so carelessly with saying these skulls were done by people who practising indigenous spiritual customs....

This incident is the waked up call for me, look at those skulls with artifical tooth, most of them have their mouth opened which indicated that they were die by external violent force. Skin tissue still remain on their face. Official stated that it's monky skull in the first place, how could that be ?! Anyone with common sense will recognize those were human immediately, not to mention the professional police. Then they finally admitted those were actually human skulls digged out by graverobber, hahaha maybe, how could you explained away the terrified look in their face ?

yuhui

31st May 2012, 05:45

Airwooz

31st May 2012, 05:52

Message found on Sina Weibo 新浪微博（kind like Chinese Twitter)

http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/47574121jw1dsniepl2gyj.jpg

Link: http://weibo.com/1196900641/yhLVsz83t

Date: 2012/5/5

Top Chinese governmental officials went to attend the lecture on "extra terrestrial life and the doomsday". The words in the biggest ppt in the photo: "The invade of alien." And others contain information about Winter solstice (I guess it's about 2012 12 23) and son/son storm.

I am just amazed...that how at one hand, the privilege these people have on material level made them away from human conscience and this I see irony.

Ok, we have no further detail on this lecture, so we don't know the lecture is on what level. If you remember, back to 1980s many goverment officials attend Qi Gong conference, general Wang Zhen even witnessed a psychic performance on TV, is all on record. Many of them pratice variety Qi Gong method , include FA LUN GONG (goverment declared illegal occult today ) , a group of people wear tin foil hat on their head in order to avoid cosmic radiation or mind control

I am just wanted to say that it's not about discloused, sometime it's just superstition based on lack of informed.

bluestflame

31st May 2012, 07:28

i have some old chinese jade pieces with dragons of different appearences on them i might upload some pics later to my profile , some look like a hybrid of dragon/turtle/horse

yuhui

25th June 2012, 14:16

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17107&d=1340633981

China Central Television (CCTV) is broadcasting a TV programme: China Travel in 30° north. (which i think it's at the same still in progress of making the programme).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30th_parallel_north

oh I just found my hometown is also in this line.........and it's also showed in this programme....