Global Revolutions - Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Yemen, Bahrain...More to come?

[Dorok]

I'm starting this thread to see if we can collectively connect some dots. I can't help but think that these revolutions are not as spontaneous as we're led to believe by the MSM, but I haven't seen anyone pull them together comprehensively either. Seems they all get treated as distinct and unrelated events.

So...countries involved (by my count): Egypt (Result Military control), Tunisia, Libya, Yemen, Bahrain. On the edge: China, Iran, ...??

Results:


Egypt replaces Mubarak with the military (interim)
Global crude market speculation raises prices with or without disruption to production
MSM speaks of food price spikes
Countries test control mechanisms: internet, mobile phone, social media shutdowns
Purge of Western friendly, puppet dictators who may have outlasted their use?
Consolidation of power for a more global group?

Just spitballing here...what do you think?

This does come immediately to mind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

[crosby]

i'm so glad that you've put this in some kind of order. it's really just all over the place; giving the illusion that they are separate events. thanks so much for the link as well. i will be checking into this further. good to know.
regards, corson

[shiva777]

Icke has a good grasp on what is happening in the middle east in my opinion..scroll through the headlines there

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines

[kersley]

With all the cuts here in the UK. The people are facing depressing times. Unemployment rising It wouldn't surprise me if the UK is next on the list.
These are changing times. The people of the world are tired of been lied to, suppress, and taken for fools.
The only government that isn't corrupt is the one that doesn't exist.

[Ahkenaten]

Icke has a good grasp on what is happening in the middle east in my opinion..scroll through the headlines there

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines

Conversely there is also a risk associated with tying all these events together into one grand theory..............because although there are similarities between the countries (mainly that they are Middle Eastern "Islamic" nations) there are as many differences between them as there are similarities. More to the point is observing the way in which these situations are attempting to be commandeered by certain interests, and the energies re-directed towards other purposes. "Order Out of Chaos" ----- once again rears its ugly head. The clues come from the particulars of the MSM's efforts to reframe events in a certain context, towards a certain purpose.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Dorok,
I have been involved with middle eastern people for more than 30 years, they have their problems, and they have run to other corners of the world to escape. We in the west should support all these countries that you have mentioned 100%. My only problem is that they have the intention of turning the world to Islam, and they tend to be fanatical about it. I follow no doctrine,and haven't since I was a child. I have a problem with Christianity never mind Islam.

The west is now stirring the media to hate Muslims, and they are now the new enemy.

You are right that it does not smell good as to the way this revolution is taking place, all the dictators have been the puppets of the west, your United Nations, but the New world order has the puppet, but not the people. is this the way they intend now to fulfill full possession of these countries people by creating chaos and then introducing a solution, we shall see.
regard
roman

[Odah]

leave the tieing of the events together to glen beck .. There are forces trying to take over the growing sence in humanity that things arn't right and people want something much different. they are the same forces that currupted and took over christianity

[Dorok]

Icke has a good grasp on what is happening in the middle east in my opinion..scroll through the headlines there

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines

Conversely there is also a risk associated with tying all these events together into one grand theory..............because although there are similarities between the countries (mainly that they are Middle Eastern "Islamic" nations) there are as many differences between them as there are similarities. More to the point is observing the way in which these situations are attempting to be commandeered by certain interests, and the energies re-directed towards other purposes. "Order Out of Chaos" ----- once again rears its ugly head. The clues come from the particulars of the MSM's efforts to reframe events in a certain context, towards a certain purpose.

I wouldn't normally try to tie all these events together, except...I think the copy cat theory of revolution isn't adequate to explain to timing.

Off the top of my head, this looks engineered. It appears that once Egypt's experiment was successful, then the plan quickly spread to other vulnerable nations. I'm not savvy enough to determine whether or not those actual people (in the countries other than Egypt) were itching for revolution before the Egypt experiment.

[Fred259]

Hi Dorok,
I have been involved with middle eastern people for more than 30 years, they have their problems, and they have run to other corners of the world to escape. We in the west should support all these countries that you have mentioned 100%. My only problem is that they have the intention of turning the world to Islam, and they tend to be fanatical about it. I follow no doctrine,and haven't since I was a child. I have a problem with Christianity never mind Islam.

The west is now stirring the media to hate Muslims, and they are now the new enemy.

You are right that it does not smell good as to the way this revolution is taking place, all the dictators have been the puppets of the west, your United Nations, but the New world order has the puppet, but not the people. is this the way they intend now to fulfill full possession of these countries people by creating chaos and then introducing a solution, we shall see.
regard
roman

Absolutely Romanwkt, I couldn’t agree more this is nothing to do with revolution it’s a Coup d’état by the New World Order.

The New World Order now control the Suez canal and will start shortly to steal the oil and resources from the countries, just as they did in Iraq, with the oil for food initiative.

It’s the same with Afghanistan for ten long years we have been on this pointless campaign. It’s campaign that’s lasted twice as long as Word War II, but perhaps they need even more time to steal the resources from Afghanistan.

Obama who told the American people before his election he would end the wars has now started his own war in Pakistan. Then it will be Baluchistan, on and on.

It’s the same with Congress in Washington DC and the Westminster Parliament in London. The New World Order controls both and has done so for 15-20 years.

Nothing is going to change now till they have world domination. What is needed is the US and UK military to take back control of our respective nations and these Zionist cockroaches brought before a military tribunal, as they did in Nuremberg in 1946 and then sent to the gallows.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Dorok,
I have been involved with middle eastern people for more than 30 years, they have their problems, and they have run to other corners of the world to escape. We in the west should support all these countries that you have mentioned 100%. My only problem is that they have the intention of turning the world to Islam, and they tend to be fanatical about it. I follow no doctrine,and haven't since I was a child. I have a problem with Christianity never mind Islam.

The west is now stirring the media to hate Muslims, and they are now the new enemy.

You are right that it does not smell good as to the way this revolution is taking place, all the dictators have been the puppets of the west, your United Nations, but the New world order has the puppet, but not the people. is this the way they intend now to fulfill full possession of these countries people by creating chaos and then introducing a solution, we shall see.
regard
roman

Absolutely Romanwkt, I couldn’t agree more this is nothing to do with revolution it’s a Coup d’état by the New World Order.

The New World Order now control the Suez canal and will start shortly to steal the oil and resources from the countries, just as they did in Iraq, with the oil for food initiative.

It’s the same with Afghanistan for ten long years we have been on this pointless campaign. It’s campaign that’s lasted twice as long as Word War II, but perhaps they need even more time to steal the resources from Afghanistan.

Obama who told the American people before his election he would end the wars has now started his own war in Pakistan. Then it will be Baluchistan, on and on.

It’s the same with Congress in Washington DC and the Westminster Parliament in London. The New World Order controls both and has done so for 15-20 years.

Nothing is going to change now till they have world domination. What is needed is the US and UK military to take back control of our respective nations and these Zionist cockroaches brought before a military tribunal, as they did in Nuremberg in 1946 and then sent to the gallows.

Thank you well said, you have put meat on this subject, better than I could, well done and I agree.
regards
roman

[rgray222]

What is currently happening in the Middle East is not spontaneous as many would have you believe and you really need to understand who benefits. This first domino to fall was Tunisia and it has spread all they way around to Morocco. Libya is currently getting all the attention simply because of the violent nature of the protests.


http://i.huffpost.com/gen/249247/thumbs/s-BAHRAIN-PROTESTS-large300.jpg

The recent rally that drew anywhere from 500,000 to 1 million Egyptians was highly orchestrated and not what many in the west expected. Under the banner of freedom it turned out to be more religious and anti Semitic then anything else. Even the Google executive that was slated to speak at the rally was told that he would not be speaker. Apparently he was replaced by a cleric at the last minute. This speaks volumes.

Morocco is as close to Europe as Africa gets. Spain being the closest country, Spain has the highest unemployment (20%) of any country in the civilized world with a fairly large population of people from the middle east. This mix is a recipe that could start Europe down a road that the world never expected. Only time will tell.

In an effort to give a little of ourselves, such as in the posts Bill has recently started I will share as very short story with PA.
I have spent a fair amount of time in The Middle East and was even detained in customs for taking a poster to the US Embassy in Riyadh. On this small poster was a beach scene with woman in bathing suits. The actual size of the people on the beach was probably less then a half inch per person,all in proper beach wear. I was forced to sit in a cell like room for several hours at the Saudi Airport. While I was in no way mistreated it was a daunting experience not knowing what would happen next. The US Ambassador finally intervened and I was released to his custody. I share this story for its entertainment value and also to point out how different people's thinking is in the region.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxvFXZAt3vM

[Dorok]

Not sure if it's relevant, but Yemen is the only country on this list receiving IMF assistance. Considering that, according to Confessions of an Economic Hitman, this is one of the methods of leveraging influence. If will be interesting to see if these 'newly liberated' nations start getting IMF development aid (tantamount to transnational corporation grants).

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/DT.DOD.DIMF.CD

It appears that the IMF assistance to Yemen is relatively recent.


" In January 2010, the international community established the Friends of Yemen group that aims to support Yemen's efforts towards economic and political reform, and in August 2010 the IMF approved a three-year $370 million program to further this effort."
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ym.html

[Ahkenaten]

ROMANWKT and rgray222 there are some problems with each of your theories:

1.) Why would the New World Order foment an Islamic Revolution that serves to unite the single largest religious group in the world? That would seem like a stupid strategy, similar to the blunder in attacking Iraq that only empowered Iran, or fumbling the ball in Iran by supporting the Shah that only served to unite the religious orders who then revolted. If your theory is correct then, following the bread crumbs - the NWO would have a strategic reason for doing this. What, pray would that be? Perhaps creating a bigger problem (uniting Muslims in the Middle East across what used to be national borders)that would then justify taking really serious action to "correct the problem"?

2.) How is it that these grass-roots movements that have not been religious or ideological so far, are "anti-semitic"? Where is that documented? The fact is that the trouble stems from non-ideological or religious reasons, i.e. the extremely high prices of food in the region, the lack of jobs for young people (and a sense of future and hope) and the extremely repressive dictatorships that have been supported, ironically, by the US "bastion of democracy" and other Western States with stakes in maintaining control over the oil spigot in the region who also have very strong ties to other states in the region.

I see that you are trying to frame these events as being orchestrated by outside forces and who knows, maybe there were outside forces agitating as there have been in Iran, however I do not think you have made your case for this being either an action by the NWO or anyone else, nor have you made the case that this is a situation to be feared and dreaded because it is essentially anti-semitic in nature. If there WERE outside forces agitating in Egypt and in other states in the region, I suggest to you that events on the ground got away from them in an example of "Blow Back" - and there is some evidence this may be true based on the fact that it appeared as events were unfolding that the US was scrambling somewhat ineffectually to stay ahead of events, trying to present a picture in which the US was in control, when it is clear that it was not by the confusing and muddied messages emanating from D.C. and Foggy Bottom.

[ROMANWKT]

Not sure if it's relevant, but Yemen is the only country on this list receiving IMF assistance. Considering that, according to Confessions of an Economic Hitman, this is one of the methods of leveraging influence. If will be interesting to see if these 'newly liberated' nations start getting IMF development aid (tantamount to transnational corporation grants).

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/DT.DOD.DIMF.CD

I think you are right, they will create dependency for the whole region,just as Fred259 has said. They are now working on the people by manipulation.

[Dorok]

I do think that these things operate on many different levels. The economic level is the national power level. The religious/social divides are the emotional control level. Anytime you want to talk about the power level, they will try to distract you with the religious/social level.

[ROMANWKT]

ROMANWKT and rgray222 there are some problems with each of your theories:

1.) Why would the New World Order foment an Islamic Revolution that serves to unite the single largest religious group in the world? That would seem like a stupid strategy, similar to the blunder in attacking Iraq that only empowered Iran, or fumbling the ball in Iran by supporting the Shah that only served to unite the religious orders who then revolted. If your theory is correct then, following the bread crumbs - the NWO would have a strategic reason for doing this. What, pray would that be? Perhaps creating a bigger problem (United Muslims in the Middle East across what used to be national borders)that would then justify taking really serious action to "correct the problem"?

2.) How is it that these grass-roots movements that have not been religious or ideological so far, are "anti-semitic"? Where is that documented? The fact is that the trouble stems from non-ideological or religious reasons, i.e. the extremely high prices of food in the region, the lack of jobs for young people (and a sense of future and hope) and the extremely repressive dictatorships that have been supported, ironically, by the US "bastion of democracy" and other Western States with stakes in maintaining control over the oil spigot in the region who also have very strong ties to other states in the region.

I see that you are trying to frame these events as being orchestrated by outside forces and who knows, maybe there were outside forces agitating as there have been in Iran, however I do not think you have made your case for this being either an action by the NWO or anyone else, nor have you made the case that this is a situation to be feared and dreaded because it is essentially anti-semitic in nature.

All yours and mine points are yet to be seen, its still early days.

Your point about the creation of united Islamic power is a very good point, and the only thing that poped into my head was WW3, as part of the NWO agenda.
Not sure, but watching.
regards
roman

[Ahkenaten]

I do think that these things operate on many different levels. The economic level is the national power level. The religious/social divides are the emotional control level. Anytime you want to talk about the power level, they will try to distract you with the religious/social level.

With respect Dorok I think that there are many more dimensions to this unfolding story than two.............

[Dorok]

I do think that these things operate on many different levels. The economic level is the national power level. The religious/social divides are the emotional control level. Anytime you want to talk about the power level, they will try to distract you with the religious/social level.

With respect Dorok I think that there are many more dimensions to this unfolding story than two.............

Yes, I'm sure there are. Just meant to illustrate those two for the example that they work together for the same 'sleight of hand' purpose.

[Ahkenaten]

ROMANWKT and rgray222 there are some problems with each of your theories:

1.) Why would the New World Order foment an Islamic Revolution that serves to unite the single largest religious group in the world? That would seem like a stupid strategy, similar to the blunder in attacking Iraq that only empowered Iran, or fumbling the ball in Iran by supporting the Shah that only served to unite the religious orders who then revolted. If your theory is correct then, following the bread crumbs - the NWO would have a strategic reason for doing this. What, pray would that be? Perhaps creating a bigger problem (United Muslims in the Middle East across what used to be national borders)that would then justify taking really serious action to "correct the problem"?

2.) How is it that these grass-roots movements that have not been religious or ideological so far, are "anti-semitic"? Where is that documented? The fact is that the trouble stems from non-ideological or religious reasons, i.e. the extremely high prices of food in the region, the lack of jobs for young people (and a sense of future and hope) and the extremely repressive dictatorships that have been supported, ironically, by the US "bastion of democracy" and other Western States with stakes in maintaining control over the oil spigot in the region who also have very strong ties to other states in the region.

I see that you are trying to frame these events as being orchestrated by outside forces and who knows, maybe there were outside forces agitating as there have been in Iran, however I do not think you have made your case for this being either an action by the NWO or anyone else, nor have you made the case that this is a situation to be feared and dreaded because it is essentially anti-semitic in nature.

All yours and mine points are yet to be seen, its still early days.

Your point about the creation of united Islamic power is a very good point, and the only thing that poped into my head was WW3, as part of the NWO agenda.
Not sure, but watching.
regards
roman

You are correct - we need to watch how this plays out. You can bet that behind the scenes the usual suspects are scrambling to commandeer each situation based on the leverage/power points in each, which are unique this being a human business, in each situation. My main point is that it would be a stupid strategic move IMO for anyone to make a move that intentionally or unintentionally united the people in this vitally important region across religious lines for ANY reason because that will ONLY lead to disaster. Having said that as we have seen in recent history many stupid strategies have been pursued with disasterous results so it is totally possible that yet another stupid strategy is in the works which only goes to show the level at which certain people in control are operating. Service to Self, or something along those lines.

[Dorok]

My main point is that it would be a stupid strategic move IMO for anyone to make a move that intentionally or unintentionally united the people in this vitally important region across religious lines for ANY reason because that will ONLY lead to disaster.

Maybe our definition of disaster is 'their' definition of success. Consider the ET false flag scenarios. One of their stated goals was to unify the population of the world by an external threat. Qui bono?

[ROMANWKT]

My main point is that it would be a stupid strategic move IMO for anyone to make a move that intentionally or unintentionally united the people in this vitally important region across religious lines for ANY reason because that will ONLY lead to disaster.

Maybe our definition of disaster is 'their' definition of success. Consider the ET false flag scenarios. One of their stated goals was to unify the population of the world by an external threat. Qui bono?

So how would a United Islam, as Ahkenaten has said, provide the reaction necessary from the ET invasion.
regards
roman

[Dorok]

I don't know anything for sure. I started this thread because I had questions! :)

However off the top of my head, a united Islam (whatever that is) would likely be hyped as a direct threat to the US/Western nations needing preemptive actions. As you said, "The west is now stirring the media to hate Muslims, and they are now the new enemy."

Don't be distracted by the example of the ET false flag. I was illustrating a single point (that unification could be part of a goal), and my comparison with the topic at hand ends there.

[ROMANWKT]

Iron mountain said that each doctrine will see their religious leader talking to them from the sky?????

[Dorok]

Iron mountain said that each doctrine will see their religious leader talking to them from the sky?????

Might want to ask the author :)

[ROMANWKT]

I don't know anything for sure. I started this thread because I had questions! :)

However off the top of my head, a united Islam (whatever that is) would likely be hyped as a direct threat to the US/Western nations needing preemptive actions. As you said, "The west is now stirring the media to hate Muslims, and they are now the new enemy."

Don't be distracted by the example of the ET false flag. I was illustrating a single point (that unification could be part of a goal), and my comparison with the topic at hand ends there.

Exactly, a new and powerful treat.
regards
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Iron mountain said that each doctrine will see their religious leader talking to them from the sky?????

Might want to ask the author :)

I hope i got that correct, it was a secret document that was released to the public as the plans of staging an invasion from above, and depopulation of humanity, did you read it?
regards
roman

[Ahkenaten]

My main point is that it would be a stupid strategic move IMO for anyone to make a move that intentionally or unintentionally united the people in this vitally important region across religious lines for ANY reason because that will ONLY lead to disaster.

Maybe our definition of disaster is 'their' definition of success. Consider the ET false flag scenarios. One of their stated goals was to unify the population of the world by an external threat. Qui bono?

Unless the intention is to use a neutron bomb or bombs in the region, which diabolically enough was actually discussed prior to the invasion of Iraq in recent years, thereby killing all living things but leaving all the good stuff (i.e. oil, minerals, etc.) for the attackers, I still can't see how this strategy would be to anyone's advantage. If there were guarantees (i.e. secret agreements) that only conventional warfare technologies would be employed, well that could also be a "win-win" from the profit perspective for certain people - but in the current environment where countries in the region are armed to the teeth with nukes and emerging nuclear technology, I think all bets are off the table on that score. Some crazy Dr. Strangelove types pulling the strings of history might envision taking us all to the brink and over the precipice of nuclear disaster believing in their demented minds that they could "win" such a conflict hiding under the ground like insects, but what would they then inherit? A world contaminated for thousands of years by the half-life of plutonium, dooming humans to genetic mutations such as several heads, cyclopian eyes, etc? How would that be to any HUMAN BEING's (as we know it anyway) advantage?

If someone is thinking along these lines, and some of these people are so whacked that nothing would surprise me - well, I can tell you that they have gone insane. This particular "false flag" scenario is DOOMED DOOMED DOOMED.

Let's hope they do not play it out.

[Dorok]

Iron mountain said that each doctrine will see their religious leader talking to them from the sky?????

Might want to ask the author :)

I hope i got that correct, it was a secret document that was released to the public as the plans of staging an invasion from above, and depopulation of humanity, did you read it?
regards
roman

I did not read the actual document. My familiarity is only from the context of those who reference it. My opinion is that anything so public is 'off the table'. There's more than one way to achieve the same effect.

[ROMANWKT]

Iron mountain said that each doctrine will see their religious leader talking to them from the sky?????

Might want to ask the author :)

I hope i got that correct, it was a secret document that was released to the public as the plans of staging an invasion from above, and depopulation of humanity, did you read it?
regards
roman

I did not read the actual document. My familiarity is only from the context of those who reference it. My opinion is that anything so public is 'off the table'. There's more than one way to achieve the same effect.

fair enough. thank you.
regards
roman

[ROMANWKT]

My main point is that it would be a stupid strategic move IMO for anyone to make a move that intentionally or unintentionally united the people in this vitally important region across religious lines for ANY reason because that will ONLY lead to disaster.

Maybe our definition of disaster is 'their' definition of success. Consider the ET false flag scenarios. One of their stated goals was to unify the population of the world by an external threat. Qui bono?

Unless the intention is to use a neutron bomb or bombs in the region, which diabolically enough was actually discussed prior to the invasion of Iraq in recent years, thereby killing all living things but leaving all the good stuff (i.e. oil, minerals, etc.) for the attackers, I still can't see how this strategy would be to anyone's advantage. If there were guarantees (i.e. secret agreements) that only conventional warfare technologies would be employed, well that could also be a "win-win" from the profit perspective for certain people - but in the current environment where countries in the region are armed to the teeth with nukes and emerging nuclear technology, I think all bets are off the table on that score. Some crazy Dr. Strangelove types pulling the strings of history might envision taking us all to the brink and over the precipice of nuclear disaster believing in their demented minds that they could "win" such a conflict hiding under the ground like insects, but what would they then inherit? A world contaminated for thousands of years by the half-life of plutonium, dooming humans to genetic mutations such as several heads, cyclopian eyes, etc? How would that be to any HUMAN BEING's (as we know it anyway) advantage?

If someone is thinking along these lines, and some of these people are so whacked that nothing would surprise me - well, I can tell you that they have gone insane. This particular "false flag" scenario is DOOMED DOOMED DOOMED.

Let's hope they do not play it out.

Like I said, its still early days, and I'm just thinking aloud, all these things, I sincerely hope not.
regards

[Fred259]

I do think that these things operate on many different levels. The economic level is the national power level. The religious/social divides are the emotional control level. Anytime you want to talk about the power level, they will try to distract you with the religious/social level.

The fundamental problem Dorok is that in the United States you have an infestation of Zionist in the White House and Congress. These people are subverting and destroying America. They need to be removed and jailed. When these people are removed from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue the problems around the Middle East will evaporate in the morning sunshine.

In addition some 7000+ key positions within government throughout the country are occupied by members of the Senior Executive Service. These people are in place to subvert and destroy democracy in the United States. They are ideologically very different from the good old American folks that I know. They need to be arrested and placed in a FEMA camp and brought before a military court under the charge of treason. You can’t send them to a country court because the Judge has probably also been subverted. This is the problem.

Once this is done democracy will again flourish in America. At the moment the New World Order controls every aspect of society in the US including full and free control of the military which is a grave concern.

Precisely the same problem exists in the British Parliament. As much as 80% of Conservative MPs are subverted by the Zionist controlled “Friends of Israel” (FOI).

Democracy disappeared when the New World Order removed the democratically elected Mrs Thatcher from power and replaced her with John Major a representative of the subversive Trilateral Commission.

Where in the United States you have the Senior Executive Service in the UK we have that repugnant organisation Common Purpose run by the Marxist Julia Middleton.

In the UK we have a Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron who models himself on former Prime ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown both Fabian Marxists, and Obama’s guru the Marxist Saul Alinsky.

This is the problem. The New World Order has full and free control of both governments and both are equally responsible for this total abomination within the Middle East.

If the citizens of these Middle Eastern nation states have a local problem with democracy it’s for them to deal with locally and in accordance with the laws and practices of that nation.

All the political problems around the world are caused by the New World Order, masquerading as the British and American government. No other nation on this planet behaves like this, Japan Russia, Australia, Brazil, China, Canada, France, we could be here all day. The fundamental problem is the New World Order. When this is smashed and destroyed the problems of the world will disappear with them.

IMHO

[ROMANWKT]

I do think that these things operate on many different levels. The economic level is the national power level. The religious/social divides are the emotional control level. Anytime you want to talk about the power level, they will try to distract you with the religious/social level.

The fundamental problem Dorok is that in the United States you have an infestation of Zionist in the White House and Congress. These people are subverting and destroying America. They need to be removed and jailed. When these people are removed from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue the problems around the Middle East will evaporate in the morning sunshine.

In addition some 7000+ key positions within government throughout the country are occupied by members of the Senior Executive Service. These people are in place to subvert and destroy democracy in the United States. They are ideologically very different from the good old American folks that I know. They need to be arrested and placed in a FEMA camp and brought before a military court under the charge of treason. You can’t send them to a country court because the Judge has probably also been subverted. This is the problem.

Once this is done democracy will again flourish in America. At the moment the New World Order controls every aspect of society in the US including full and free control of the military which is a grave concern.

Precisely the same problem exists in the British Parliament. As much as 80% of Conservative MPs are subverted by the Zionist controlled “Friends of Israel” (FOI).

Democracy disappeared when the New World Order removed the democratically elected Mrs Thatcher from power and replaced her with John Major a representative of the subversive Trilateral Commission.

Where in the United States you have the Senior Executive Service in the UK we have that repugnant organisation Common Purpose run by the Marxist Julia Middleton.

In the UK we have a Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron who models himself on former Prime ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown both Fabian Marxists, and Obama’s guru the Marxist Saul Alinsky.

This is the problem. The New World Order has full and free control of both governments and both are equally responsible for this total abomination within the Middle East.

If the citizens of these Middle Eastern nation states have a local problem with democracy it’s for them to deal with locally and in accordance with the laws and practices of that nation.

All the political problems around the world are caused by the New World Order, masquerading as the British and American government. No other nation on this planet behaves like this, Japan Russia, Australia, Brazil, China, Canada, France, we could be here all day. The fundamental problem is the New World Order. When this is smashed and destroyed the problems of the world will disappear with them.

IMHO

ABSOLUTELY.HERE,HERE, SPOT ON. thank you
regards
roman

[Ahkenaten]

Isn't the whole subject of Zionism one of the areas that has barbed wire around it and we are forbidden to trespass?

[ROMANWKT]

Isn't the whole subject of Zionism one of the areas that has barbed wire around it and we are forbidden to trespass?

There is something more dangerous and more powerful than Zionism, and thats the untouchables, THE VATICAN.

[Dorok]

I do think that these things operate on many different levels. The economic level is the national power level. The religious/social divides are the emotional control level. Anytime you want to talk about the power level, they will try to distract you with the religious/social level.

The fundamental problem Dorok is that in the United States you have an infestation of Zionist in the White House and Congress. These people are subverting and destroying America. They need to be removed and jailed. When these people are removed from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue the problems around the Middle East will evaporate in the morning sunshine.

In addition some 7000+ key positions within government throughout the country are occupied by members of the Senior Executive Service. These people are in place to subvert and destroy democracy in the United States. They are ideologically very different from the good old American folks that I know. They need to be arrested and placed in a FEMA camp and brought before a military court under the charge of treason. You can’t send them to a country court because the Judge has probably also been subverted. This is the problem.

Once this is done democracy will again flourish in America. At the moment the New World Order controls every aspect of society in the US including full and free control of the military which is a grave concern.

Precisely the same problem exists in the British Parliament. As much as 80% of Conservative MPs are subverted by the Zionist controlled “Friends of Israel” (FOI).

Democracy disappeared when the New World Order removed the democratically elected Mrs Thatcher from power and replaced her with John Major a representative of the subversive Trilateral Commission.

Where in the United States you have the Senior Executive Service in the UK we have that repugnant organisation Common Purpose run by the Marxist Julia Middleton.

In the UK we have a Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron who models himself on former Prime ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown both Fabian Marxists, and Obama’s guru the Marxist Saul Alinsky.

This is the problem. The New World Order has full and free control of both governments and both are equally responsible for this total abomination within the Middle East.

If the citizens of these Middle Eastern nation states have a local problem with democracy it’s for them to deal with locally and in accordance with the laws and practices of that nation.

All the political problems around the world are caused by the New World Order, masquerading as the British and American government. No other nation on this planet behaves like this, Japan Russia, Australia, Brazil, China, Canada, France, we could be here all day. The fundamental problem is the New World Order. When this is smashed and destroyed the problems of the world will disappear with them.

IMHO

Not to be pedantic about this here, but you are stating what I consider conjecture as fact. Unless you have proof of your claims?

[Fred259]

I do think that these things operate on many different levels. The economic level is the national power level. The religious/social divides are the emotional control level. Anytime you want to talk about the power level, they will try to distract you with the religious/social level.

The fundamental problem Dorok is that in the United States you have an infestation of Zionist in the White House and Congress. These people are subverting and destroying America. They need to be removed and jailed. When these people are removed from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue the problems around the Middle East will evaporate in the morning sunshine.

In addition some 7000+ key positions within government throughout the country are occupied by members of the Senior Executive Service. These people are in place to subvert and destroy democracy in the United States. They are ideologically very different from the good old American folks that I know. They need to be arrested and placed in a FEMA camp and brought before a military court under the charge of treason. You can’t send them to a country court because the Judge has probably also been subverted. This is the problem.

Once this is done democracy will again flourish in America. At the moment the New World Order controls every aspect of society in the US including full and free control of the military which is a grave concern.

Precisely the same problem exists in the British Parliament. As much as 80% of Conservative MPs are subverted by the Zionist controlled “Friends of Israel” (FOI).

Democracy disappeared when the New World Order removed the democratically elected Mrs Thatcher from power and replaced her with John Major a representative of the subversive Trilateral Commission.

Where in the United States you have the Senior Executive Service in the UK we have that repugnant organisation Common Purpose run by the Marxist Julia Middleton.

In the UK we have a Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron who models himself on former Prime ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown both Fabian Marxists, and Obama’s guru the Marxist Saul Alinsky.

This is the problem. The New World Order has full and free control of both governments and both are equally responsible for this total abomination within the Middle East.

If the citizens of these Middle Eastern nation states have a local problem with democracy it’s for them to deal with locally and in accordance with the laws and practices of that nation.

All the political problems around the world are caused by the New World Order, masquerading as the British and American government. No other nation on this planet behaves like this, Japan Russia, Australia, Brazil, China, Canada, France, we could be here all day. The fundamental problem is the New World Order. When this is smashed and destroyed the problems of the world will disappear with them.

IMHO

Not to be pedantic about this here, but you are stating what I consider conjecture as fact. Unless you have proof of your claims?

NYC September 11th 2001.

[Dorok]

Not to be pedantic about this here, but you are stating what I consider conjecture as fact. Unless you have proof of your claims?

NYC September 11th 2001.

I suppose you think that is satisfactory proof. Like nothing was wrong before then?

[Fred259]

Not to be pedantic about this here, but you are stating what I consider conjecture as fact. Unless you have proof of your claims?

NYC September 11th 2001.

I suppose you think that is satisfactory proof. Like nothing was wrong before then?


Well No, I understand your point of view clearly it was a problem well before 9/11 but the events on that day effectively meant the bad guys got away Scot free, and effectively took control of the US government.

I do think also that fact that no closure was reached over the assassination of JFK was a defining moment, and it’s got worse since then.

But I have to say its the same over here, we have had politicians executed and the Princess Diana business in Paris, that sort of thing never went on in the past but it does now because they get away with it and are effectively above the law.

It’s very sad.

[Steven]

Iron mountain said that each doctrine will see their religious leader talking to them from the sky?????

Might want to ask the author :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Report_from_Iron_Mountain

Namaste, Steven

[Dorok]

John Perkins (economic hitman) on Egpyt: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-perkins/the-global-message-of-egy_b_822411.html

excerpt:
"As I write these words, all indications are that the dictator who has gone down will be replaced by someone with a similar philosophy who is part of the same system - one that imprisoned the Egyptian people in a police state for more than three decades.

Members of the corporatocracy are obsessed with winning. They will invest vast amounts of money to get their way. They also share a common goal: to maximize profits, regardless of the environmental and social costs. In seeking that goal, they continue to perpetuate an extremely unstable, unsustainable, unjust, and dangerous world."

[str8thinker]

Thanks Dorok for linking this to the book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

I found this fascinating to read in the light of this thread. For anyone else who hasn't read it, here it is.

[ghostrider]

they need the old world order in chaos, to justify a NEW WORLD ORDER... the matrix is about to get an upgrade very very soon...to institute a new currency the current one must fail, to have a new gov the old must fail, to have a new army, the old must be obsolete.. you get the picture...